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Elon Musk on Bill Maher Show · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: Have a long work day. Yeah, so I work a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I actually love comedy, and I actually, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: many years ago, I actually was in the audience here
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  Speaker 2: and watch your show.
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  Speaker 1: Been a long time admirer of your show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I think I think technology is the thing
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  Speaker 2: that caused these big step changes in civilization. So obviously
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  Speaker 2: you've got things like say the Gudenburg Press before, which
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  Speaker 2: was very.
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  Speaker 1: Difficult to get books. They were pretty rare.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you had a thirst one knowledge, you really
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  Speaker 2: couldn't do anything about it because there were very few
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  Speaker 2: books to read. So and the Internet is something beyond
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  Speaker 2: beyond the good boat bog Press, I think. But you
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  Speaker 2: know it's it's when I first of all the Internet
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  Speaker 2: coming into being in a way that that the general
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  Speaker 2: public could use it, it felt like the humanity.
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  Speaker 1: As a whole was developing a nervous system.
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  Speaker 2: So previously the way the information would travel would be
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  Speaker 2: by osmosis one person to another or one person calling another,
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  Speaker 2: but you did the access to information is very limited.
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  Speaker 2: Now with the Internet, it's like having a nervous systems,
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  Speaker 2: like any part of humanity has access to almost all.
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  Speaker 1: The information of humanity.
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  Speaker 2: Like you could be in the middle of the Amazon jungle,
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  Speaker 2: whether it say, a Starling terminal, and have access to
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  Speaker 2: more information than the president did in nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I think we need to be very courtious.
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  Speaker 2: About anything that is anti meritocratic and anything.
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  Speaker 1: That is.
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  Speaker 2: That that results in the suppression of a free speech. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, those are two other aspects of the work
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  Speaker 2: mind virus that I think are very dangerous is that
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  Speaker 2: it's oft an anti meeroucratic. You can't you can't question things,
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  Speaker 2: even the questioning is bad. So you know, you could
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  Speaker 2: you know another where to almost synonymous would we would
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  Speaker 2: be cancel culture. And obviously people have tried to cancel
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  Speaker 2: you many times. I think of myself as a moderate,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so I mean at least like I've spent
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  Speaker 2: a massive amount of my life energy building sustainable energy, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, electric vehicles and batteries and solar and stuff
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  Speaker 2: to help save the environment.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's not that's not a well not exactly far
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  Speaker 1: right now you do. That just actually is extremely important.
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  Speaker 2: And it's bizarre that we've come to this point where
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  Speaker 2: like free speech used to be a left or liberal
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  Speaker 2: value and and and yet we see from you know,
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  Speaker 2: the in quotes left, Uh desire to actually censor and
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  Speaker 2: uh that that seems crazy. I mean, I think we
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  Speaker 2: should be extremely concerned about anything that.
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  Speaker 1: In our minds the First Amendment. There's a reason for
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  Speaker 1: the First Amendment.
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  Speaker 2: The First Amendment is because people came from countries where
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  Speaker 2: they could not speak freely and where and where saying
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  Speaker 2: certain things would get you thrown into prison. And they
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  Speaker 2: were like, well, we don't want that here. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, in many parts of the world, including possible
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  Speaker 2: that people might think are relatively similar to the United States,
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  Speaker 2: the speech laws are draconian. And I really can't emphasize
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  Speaker 2: this enough. We must, we must protect free speech. And
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  Speaker 2: free speech only matters. It's only relevant when it's someone
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  Speaker 2: you don't like saying something'slike because.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously the speech that you like is y. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's easy.
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  Speaker 2: So it's and it's the thing about censorship is that
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  Speaker 2: sure for those who would advocate it, just remember at
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  Speaker 2: some point that will be turned on you.
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  Speaker 1: So I was trying to figure out where where it's
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  Speaker 1: coming from.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's actually been a long time brewing in
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  Speaker 2: that it's I think it's been going on for a
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  Speaker 2: while and the amount of indoctrination that that's happening in
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  Speaker 2: schools and universities is I think, far beyond what parents realize.
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  Speaker 2: And I only I sort of came to realize this
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  Speaker 2: somewhat late. The experience that we had in high school
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  Speaker 2: and college is not the experience that that kids that
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  Speaker 2: they are having and and hasn't been for I don't know, ten,
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  Speaker 2: ten years, maybe twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I suppose in some cases that parents.
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  Speaker 2: But I think like the parents are just generally not
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  Speaker 2: aware of what their their kids are being taught or
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  Speaker 2: what they're not being taught.
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  Speaker 3: They're letting the kids think that they're equal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, let me, let me, let me.
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  Speaker 2: Let me give you an example that a fair mind
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  Speaker 2: told me, which you know, his daughters go to college
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  Speaker 2: and go to high school in the Bay Area, and
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  Speaker 2: and he was asking them like, well, so who are
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  Speaker 2: the you know, who are the first few presidents of
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  Speaker 2: the United States. They could name Washington, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: what do you know about him? Well, he was a
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  Speaker 2: slave owner?
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  Speaker 1: What else? Right? Exactly? Nothing?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, okay, that's maybe you should know more than that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know, the.
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  Speaker 2: You know, slavery is obviously a horrific institution, but we
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  Speaker 2: should still know more about George Washington than that.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, one really.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they're quite strict about like, you know, don't take
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  Speaker 2: someone else's slavery, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but no one ever says just don't do it.
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  Speaker 2: They don't, they don't. No point does it say slavery's
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  Speaker 2: They did not condemn it at all, but they just so.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Twitter has a tremendous audience. So there's Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: fifty million people that spend an average of half an
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  Speaker 2: hour day on Twitter, so it's about one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty to one hundred and thirty million user hours per
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  Speaker 2: day and it's been increasing. So we didn't do anything
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  Speaker 2: too clear, we did nothing special whatsoever. I learned about
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  Speaker 2: it afterwards that he had posted something on Twitter. So
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  Speaker 2: it's just that Twitter has a lot of people's attention.
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  Speaker 2: So and it tends to be the people that are, uh,
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  Speaker 2: that read a lot or interested in card events and
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  Speaker 2: generally are pretty influential.
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  Speaker 3: So but most.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have to say, like, what does canceled mean?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, yes, people attacking on Twitter, that's
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  Speaker 2: one thing, but frankly that's just gonna increase engagement, so
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  Speaker 2: I would just ignore it. Well, I just think we
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  Speaker 2: should be cautious about some civilizational decline with with and
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  Speaker 2: we have plummeting both rates most places.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and also plummeting resources.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, resources will be fine. But they're not fine.
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  Speaker 3: They're not fine. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm not just in complacency.
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  Speaker 2: But we do want of more to sustainable energy economy
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  Speaker 2: as quickly as possible.
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  Speaker 1: But we were not in any danger of resource collapse.
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  Speaker 3: But lots of people don't have enough food or water.
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  Speaker 1: Water.
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  Speaker 3: We will run out of water. They're running We're running
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  Speaker 3: out of sand.
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  Speaker 2: Now. The earth is seventy percent water by surface area,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't drink that. Desalination is absurdly chief, Why.
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  Speaker 3: Don't we do it?
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  Speaker 1: Then we do?
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  Speaker 3: It is done, you have a lot of free time.
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  Speaker 1: It is done.
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  Speaker 2: There, There is a lot of desalination done. Okay, but
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  Speaker 2: there's plenty of water. It's not an issue. I want
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  Speaker 2: to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 2: Has a sort of modification of outcomes raiser, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, instead of the simplest thing being the most likely,
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  Speaker 2: that like the most ironic outcome is most likely, right, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: So with respect to AI, I just think we should
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  Speaker 2: be we should have some sort of regulatory oversight, so, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for anything that's danger to the public, if
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of aircraft, cars, food and drug and whatnot,
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  Speaker 2: we've got some regulatory overside like a referee essentially and
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  Speaker 2: making sure that companies don't cut corners. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that's since if one agrees that AI is a potentialist
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  Speaker 2: of the public, then there should be some regulatory body
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  Speaker 2: that oversees what companies are doing so they don't cut
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  Speaker 2: corners and potentially do something very dangerous. That's actually Ray
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  Speaker 2: Croswell's prediction for artificial superintelligence is twenty twenty nine.
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  Speaker 3: He's not far on right, but he doesn't think it's
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  Speaker 3: a problem, whereas people like you and Bill Bates and
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Hawking thought, I think it's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends if some people want to live forever
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  Speaker 2: or for a much longer period of time, and they
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  Speaker 2: see AI as the only way digital super intelligence as
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  Speaker 2: the only thing that can figure out how to get
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  Speaker 2: them to live forever. I think Kurzwell is in that category,
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  Speaker 2: so he would prefer to have AI artificial general intelligence
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  Speaker 2: then than not because it can figure out longevity. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's two things I think to be full to be
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  Speaker 2: most happy. If you're happy in love and you love
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  Speaker 2: your work, then you will be I think fully happy
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  Speaker 2: if you lack either of those two. If you have
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  Speaker 2: one of those two things, to be half happy. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I was living in the in.
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  Speaker 1: The library of Twitter for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but it's I think things are reasonably stabilized right now.
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  Speaker 2: It was just on the on the fast tracked bankruptcy
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  Speaker 2: after that position, so I had to take drastic action.
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  Speaker 1: There wasn't any choice. I'm just saying, it's not overall
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  Speaker 1: with you know.
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  Speaker 2: My my concern with Twitter is too that it is
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  Speaker 2: somewhat of the digital town square, and it's it's important
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  Speaker 2: that there'd be both the reality and perception of trust,
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  Speaker 2: uh for a wide range of viewpoints. And there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of censorship going on and we've we've we
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  Speaker 2: sort of uncovered a lot of that with the Twitter files,
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  Speaker 2: including a lot of government driven censorship, which you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's I mean, it seems that that's got
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  Speaker 2: to be a constitutional violation what was going on there,
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  Speaker 2: But so so and I can since I'm like an
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  Speaker 2: Avid Twitter user. I could detect that, like something is
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  Speaker 2: not right here, and so that's that's really why I
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  Speaker 2: did that position. It wasn't It wasn't because I thought
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  Speaker 2: this was an easy way to make money or something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: It is a man.
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  Speaker 2: This is being mayor of Twitter Town, tweet town or
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  Speaker 2: whatever it's. It's it's definitely like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: arrows pointed out at you, like flying at you, but.
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