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The Legends of Ufology - William Moore Part II · Ryder Lee

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Welcome back, Writer Rangers, and Happy fourth of July. I just thought
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I had my American flag sunglasses, but I couldn't find them, so I
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just opted in for regular sunglasses. So welcome to the long awaited Legends of
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Ufology on William Bill Moore Part two. It's been a while since I did
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part one, and you guys probably forgot about part one of the show that
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I did like two months ago. But I said that I was going to
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finish it up, finish up this five hour long move on nineteen eighty nine
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Bill Moore speech that he was making at this conference, And what better time
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than on America's birthday, America. And there's nothing more American than uncover the
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most UFO deception operation that's been going on since nineteen seventy nine and give you
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the guy that tried to tell you that everything within in Uphology was a complete
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and utter fabrication, and it's all has its roots in the Paul Benewitz deception
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operation from the Air Force and the NSSA that ended up driving Paul Benowitz out
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of his mind and led to his psychiatric hospitalization. So America, Happy Birthday,
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America. Boom baby, let's go America, America, amracle America.
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Yeah, baby America. Jesus Christ, no one wants to admit that we
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peaked as a nation in two thousand and one with that limp biscuit clip right
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another really great one is that Creed, that Creed performance playing the halftime show
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for the Cowboys, also in two thousand and one on Thanksgiving. I believe
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in two thousand and one, early two thousands. Those were the days,
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are so good. So last time, we covered about an hour and
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a half of the William Moore Muffon Conference in nineteen eighty nine during his speech
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or presentation or whatever you want to call it that William Bill Moore was giving
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during that time is just it's freaking time. Okay. It's just as important
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now as it was back then, and I'd argue even more important now because
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when you realize that a majority of all of the mythology that's been talked about
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within ufology for let's say the past four decades, has been created by the
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government to cover up real projects and real operations, more specifically the Air Force
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and the NSA, you start to see why there's so much garbage out there
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that's just floating around in the community. So we're going to pick back up
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on this William Moore discussion from nineteen eighty nine at the Moufon Conference. And
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if you haven't seen part one of this, you can feel free to listen
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to the rest of this and go back and listen to part one. It's
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on the it's a playlist, it's UFO. No, it's Legends of Ufology
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Whitley Strieber, because half of it was Whitley Streeber, in the second half
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of it was concentrated on Bill Moore. So we're going to jump into this,
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Babby and finish this thing up. In a reminder that this is covered
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under fair use under Section one oh seven of the Copyright Act of nineteen seventy
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six. Allowance is made for fair use for purposes such as criticism, comment,
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news, reporting, teaching, scholarship, education, and research, and
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that is what we're going to be doing here today. It is commenting on
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the William Bill Moore Moufon conference of nineteen eighty nine where he's spilling the beans.
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Baby's spilling the beans on the whole. Paul Benowitz, a fair and
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everything that's been going on in ufology up until that point. Throw this banner
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up. And if you guys can't hear this, there's nothing that I can
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do about the sound. This is an old recording and it's been actually recorded
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off of a the original copy from a VHS copy, So the audio isn't
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the best, but I've tried to turn it up as loud as it can
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get. So here we go. I knew at that time that he was
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not far from an inevitable nervous collapse his health. And what he's talking about
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here is Paul Benowitz. They're basically driving Paul Benowitz out of his mind.
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If you're not familiar with the Benowitz case, I covered it in Part two
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of Legends of Ufology. Paul Benowitz. Don't really want to go over that
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whole thing again, but pretty much, Paul Benowitz lived next to Kirkland Air
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Force Base. He was capturing what he thought was UFOs, which actually turned
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out to be advanced military programs where they were testing advanced military craft. He
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contacted the Air Force. He was also getting other weird signals. He was
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a radio expert. He worked for the military during World War Two as a
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radio electronics engineer, and he designed this antenna to try and capture radio signals
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that were coming in and out of Kirkland Air Force Base, and then he
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supposedly decoded these transmissions and then these he thought that it had to do with
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aliens and extra trestdrills. So then he went to Kirkland Air Force Base to
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give a presentation on the things that he had found, and Kirkland put him
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in contact with this man named Richard Dody, which I've had Richard Dody on
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the show. I've interviewed him, and Richard Dody came to him and basically
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put him in this direction of extraterrestrials. And then later on they found out
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that the NSSA had broken into Paul Benowitz's house and replaced his computer with an
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NSA modified computer in order to send him messages that he thought he was getting
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from extra trestrials. Then there's the whole Myrna Henson case where Myrna Henson comes
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in, and then the Dulce, New Mexico Underground Extraterrestrial Base. And this
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is pretty much Bill Moore, because Bill Moore was involved with this along with
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Richard Doty Richard Doty would have Bill Moore going to Paul Benowitz's house to try
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and talk to him, and then Paul would give him all this information.
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And pretty much what we discussed and what we heard Bill Moore talk about in
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the beginning of part one was he was saying that he was collecting all of
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this information and getting down to the bottom of all the missing disinformation. And
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then this is him coming out about it. He's basically being a whistleblower at
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this point in front of this move On conference in nineteen eighty nine, right,
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that's just a little background. Deteriorated, he had lost considerable weight,
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his hands shook as if from palsy, and he looked terrible. I tried
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to console him to drop the entire UFO thing before his health was completely destroyed.
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He said he knew things were getting bad and he was trying to cope
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with it. Not long afterward, I heard he had been hospitalized and was
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under psychiatric care. Whether UFO's were actually Thank you on YouTube corrections officer,
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I appreciate you you giving me the go ahead to continue to play this video
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because I am commenting over the video and this is covered under fair use.
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This as a public information This is instead of hearing or talking about what Bill
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Moore said, we were listening to Bill Moore himself and commenting over and critiquing
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the video. He ever involved with all of this, and to what extent
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I never really knew. Perhaps Paul had merely stumbled upon signals generated from some
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sophisticated high level government project whose security people had hit upon UFO related disinformation as
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their ultimate ultimate cover. That's really important what he just said there. He
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said that basically Paul Binowitz found classified or got classified footage of top secret military
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aircraft, and then they went in and made him believe that it was extra
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tresteal craft in order to cover up the fact that his actual military craft.
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Perhaps he had discovered a real, although somewhat less sensational, government UFO project,
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if that's possible, which elected to disinform him to protect what they were
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really doing. I do know from firsthand experience that there was a tremendous amount
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of government disinformation involved, and that a large proportion of what we are hearing
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today about malevolent aliens underground bases, secret treaties with the US government has its
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roots firmly planted in the Benwitz affair. Boom, mic drop. That is
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a huge mic drop. And these people are mad right now. These people
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do not want to hear this because they're all believers at this Moufon conference and
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you're Bill Moore is standing up and telling them that it's all bullshit and we're
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going to see how he was treated here in a few minutes and what they
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basically did. Stories are an election. How did UFO crash at as Tech
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New Mexico are also a part of this picture, but I'll save comment on
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that until later in this paper. In any case, from what I knew
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of all of this, its purpose was strictly to discredit Benowitz and nothing more.
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What amazes me well, and they'll also get the ball rolling on the
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mythology of ufology and the alien contact stories and the underground bases, so that
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everyone will believe it and then carry it on into the future. So therefore
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the government will never have to come clean about anything that they've been doing.
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Is that. Nearly a decade later, these same stories continue to circulate.
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Recently, one of the most prominent figures in the current disinformation wave which has
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been sweeping the UFO community, was quoted as having stated that he found Paul
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Benowitz's information to be one high percent truth. This person spent a couple of
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days talking to Benowitz back in September in the summer of nineteen eighty seven,
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and he has spent considerable time since spreading elaborate and increasingly sensationalistic stories based he
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claims, on information gathered from a variety of unnamed sources. I believe he's
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talking about Bill Cooper here. I could be wrong. I probably am wrong,
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but that would make sense because Bill Cooper talked about a lot of the
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same things that Paul Binowitz also talked about. But don't come at me if
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I'm wrong, maybe completely wrong on that, but Bill Cooper basically said the
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exact same things, that there was this underground base in Dulcean, New Mexico,
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that is a contract in the treaty with extraterrestrials, and that the extraterrestrials
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signed a contract with the government, which is the exact seen things that Paul
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Benowitz sent a letter to Senator Harris and Schmidt and told him about all this
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stuff which he got from Myrna Henson, which Myrna Henson turns out she's absolutely
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one in my study. In my research, a government agent that was sent
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to Paul Benowitz to purposely missing disinformant, strip away the fluff, and what
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you have left is essentially the Benowitz story all over again. There is no
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question in my mind that it's mostly disinformation, pure and simple. And since
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I know that connections exist between those who are spreading it now and those who
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are spreading it then, both from the Benowitz angle and from within the intelligence
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community, it seems reasonable to conclude that those responsible for it are not satisfied
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their task has been completed, even after all this time. Knowing what is
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going on, however, is simply not enough. The real question is why
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it was Just that question I asked myself when I first ran into the disinformation
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operation that was being run on Benowitz. It seemed to me at that time
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that I was in a rather unique position. There I was with my foot
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literally in the door of a secret counterintelligence game that gave every appearance of being
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somehow directly connected to a high level government UFO project, and judging by the
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positions of the people I knew to be directly involved with, it definitely had
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something to do with national security. There was no way, I was going
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to allow the opportunity to pass me by without learning at least something about what
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was going on. Many upologists have run up against disinformation over the years.
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Virtually all of them viewed it as a negative process and backed away from it
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either in anger or disgusted as soon as they discovered what they were dealing with.
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He which is a multi layered, multifaceted mythology that has no basis in
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truth or no basis in reality. It's a hard thing to unravel. Even
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today, the UFO community unanimously considers anyone known or suspected dealing in disinformation to
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be one of the bad guys, someone to be shunned or avoided at all
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costs, and certainly never ever to be believed. I, on the other
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hand, determined to take quite a different tack. I would play the disinformation
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game, get my hands dirty, just often enough to lead those directing the
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process in the believing that I was doing exactly what they wanted me to do,
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and all the while continue to burrow my way into the matrix so as
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to learn as much as possible about who was directing it and why. It
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would be a classic case of turning the tables on the very ones who were
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most confident that they had the situation well in hand. There was just one
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thing I needed to do this secrecy. I couldn't tell anyone about what I
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was doing, or if I did, and where it got back to those
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in control. I would be immediately cut off and cast adrift before I could
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learn anything. It was a formidable problem. Some of the contacts I had
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made during the Benewitz affair seemed friendly and professed a desire to end the UFO
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cover up and assist in getting government information on UFOs out to the public in
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a slow and methodical manner so as not to create panic. Others seemed more
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interested in obtaining information from me, often on what other members of the UFO
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community were doing, and sometimes on other completely unrelated subjects. That's also what
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they do. They also like to keep tabs on people to see how what
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they're talking about, what they're doing, how close they're getting to any kind
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of real information. That's really what Richard Dodi's job was after the Benowitz,
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after he was done with his operation on Paul Bennowitz, was to find out
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if any of these supposed ufologists had any kind of real information, any kind
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of real classified information, and who that source was. He didn't really care
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about the person that was putting out the information. He cared about the person
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that was supplying the person that was putting out the information that could possibly be
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classified information, just like Paul Bennenowitz was doing unknowingly thinking that he that this
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was extraterrestrial craft that he was getting, thinking that he was in commune vdcation
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with extraterrestrials and aliens, and the aliens telling them that they're from a planet
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with no water, and that they have a contract with the military, and
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that they're in a base and underground, deep underground military base in New Mexico.
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Whatever information I managed to get from these individuals in return usually came as
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a result of asking just the right questions in just the right ways. Sometimes
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it took months or even years of establishing a relationship with someone before anyone useful
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came from anything useful came from it. The most difficult, difficult part of
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it all was trying to determine what was real and what was bullshit. We
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still got that problem today, Bell, We still got that problem. That
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is a never ending problem. Bill. One of the key factors in any
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successful disinformation scheme is that it must contain some elements of truth in order to
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make it credible. Knowing that, however, is one thing. Doing something
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with it is quite another. When you're dealing with what you know to be
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a classified program and you're determined to get information without breaking any laws and running
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a fall of national security, you're walking a very fine line, and that's
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why it takes a long time to get results. In June of nineteen eighty
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two, I approached my friend Jamie Chanderray and brought him into the project.
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At that time I also begin briefing Stanton as to what was going on.
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Both of them knew that I was in contact with a number of people within
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the intelligence community on the subject of UFOs, and both were aware that at
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least some of the information coming through was disinformation, but both only had minimal
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knowledge of the private goals and conclusions I had established some months earlier. As
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the project progressed, this actually turned out to be more of an asset than
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a drawback. Indeed, the three of us were an excellent team, and
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that we each approached the problem from a different angle. From my point of
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view, the process was one of slowly and methodically burrowing into a beehive from
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the outside, with the goal of ultimately reaching the queen bee in the royal
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jelly at the center. Since I never knew whether the other bees I was
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certain to meet along the way would be friendly or not, I had to
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proceed cautiously, both in order to avoid getting stung and to learn as much
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as possible about what might lie ahead. The control factor, as I saw
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it, rested largely with me and the way I proceeded. Jamie, on
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the other hand, saw it as a somewhat different process. He too felt
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we were burrowing into a beehive, but in his view of things, are
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burrowing was at the express invitation of the Queen Bee herself, who clandestinely oversaw
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and encouraged the process from a distance as part of her private plan to get
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free of politics that surrounds and restrains her. As long as we followed the
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signposts along the way, Jamie felt the learning process would continue and we could
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never get stung. Stanton, as the scientist of the group, was the
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one best qualified to conduct a careful and organized search for corroborating witnesses and evidence
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in places outside of the Luke Jamie and I were part of. He just
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talking about Stanon Friedman here and by the way, just as a matter of
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personal privilege. Here, I would like to react to a nasty comment about
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Stanton which appeared in a recent issue of Jim Moseley's Saucer Smear newsletter. In
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this comment, the writer, after first characterizing Stanton as a gullible individual,
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went on to wonder whether he could be trusted to expose the MJ twelve document
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and his phony if his research turned up conclusive evidence to that effect. It's
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a legitimate question, and I'd like to answer it by stating that not only
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Stanton, but all of us are firmly committed to releasing a full and complete
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report on this matter. If evidence should come to light suggesting that the documents
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are phony, you have my firm assurance that it will most certainly be included
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in the report. The documents are phony, they're fake documents. Black Vault
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has done an analysis on the MG twelve documents and seeing that the seal that
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was used in the MG twelve documents, where it was not the official stamp
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in seal that's on other records, ability is not an issue here, John
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Greenwald from the Black Vault, The matter is far larger than that. In
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any case, Stanton, Jamie and I are all working towards the same goal,
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that of trying to discover what is truth and what isn't with respect to
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the government and the UFOs. My role in the Benowitz affair had at least
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secured me a seat in the right theater. From there it was only a
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question of whether I could use my balcony ticket to discover who owned the place
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and was making the major operational decisions. Both Jamie and I felt that in
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order to have any hope of success at all, we absolutely had to play
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the game according to their rules. That meant doing everything possible to give the
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appearance that we were essentially useful idiots who would cause no trouble, while at
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the same time playing the double game of keeping our eyes and ears open in
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order to learn as much as we could about what was going on Bill years
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trying to hit him with the double double secret agent secret double agent Bill Moore
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were here, which is a great service. He did a great service to
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people for coming forward with this information. In so doing, we were gradually
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able to expand our base of friendly contact people while working our way further and
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further into the truly bizarre intelligence labyrinth that surrounds the subject of UFOs. I
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have no problem in telling you that it's been a tedious, time and resource
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consuming task, which has been made all the more difficult by the constant barrage
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of rocks, hoots and bottles thrown in our direction from a segment of the
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UFO community which, out of ignorance, chose up to take on chose to
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take up unfriendly and unsympathetic positions toward us. Man. I feel that statements
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so well. Bill Moore, feel that bro feel it's so good. Were
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it not for the fact that we were constantly challenged by the twists and turns
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of our project, and by the hope that we could ultimately come away from
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it with a smoking gun in hand, I'm convinced we would have thrown in
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the towel a long time ago. Indeed, I must admit that there were
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several occasions when we tried to do just that, only to be encouraged to
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continue by some of our friends from the inside, who had come to believe
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in what we were doing and respected us for it. The anonymous arrival of
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the so called MJ twelve documents in December of nineteen eighty four was another factor
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we had to contend with in this increasingly confusing web. The problem of their
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origin and authenticity was and remains a major issue, and omda, it remained
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an issue in nineteen eighty nine, but the issue has since been solved.
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They're fake. At this point, our position of neutrality has constantly been misinterpreted.
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Therefore, for the record, it is important to point out here once
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again that at no time have either I or any of my associates ever stated
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that these documents are authentic. Our position has consistently been that we do not
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know whether they are authentic, but that we, as investigators remain unaware of
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any convincing evidence which which suggest that they are not. That position remains essentially
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unchanged today, and I'll have more to say about it when I get to
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the end of this paper. The bottom line, however, is that authentic
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or not, the story of the documents is a major story, and one
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which, as I've already assured you, will ultimately be told when the time
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is ready to tell it. That's what they want, though, That's why
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they release fake documents for the community to believe in is because of such a
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big story. It's so fantastical, it's so amazing that people want to believe
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in it, and they do end up believing in it. I mean,
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that's the point of releasing the fake documents is to cover up something else that's
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going on. That's the whole purpose. That process has already taken considerably longer
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than I had thought it would. I cannot predict when it will be complete,
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but I can say that progress has been made, and I, for
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one, certainly hope it won't be too much longer. For the many of
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you who have roundly criticized our methodology throughout the MJ twelve controversy, it seems
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important to note here that what you were witnessing was the operation of a plan
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to put out just enough of this bizarre information to attract attention, and then
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carefully monitor who showed up with questions to ask or information to offer once It's
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exactly like the cattle mutilation conference that Paul binnowitzkn involved with in the very beginning,
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that was all set up by the intelligence community for people to come in
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and ask questions about the cattle mutilations. And connect it to ets and extraterrestrials,
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and that's what everyone believed. Again, I was careful to state that
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I remained unconvinced of the authenticity of the information involved in the case of the
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Falcon and Condor interviews broadcast last October on UFO Cover Up Live. I'm convinced
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that at least some of that information falls under the category of disinformation. I'm
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equally convinced that some of it is true. The important point here is that,
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regardless of whether it is disinformation or truth, it does have to do
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with UFOs, and the sources who provided it felt that doing so was important
32:00
enough to risk going before national television in order to accomplish that purpose. Remember
32:07
also that those sources knew that Falcon and Condor would be identified on the show
32:13
as confidential government informants. The risk was all theirs, not ours, and
32:22
still they went ahead, just as they are currently going ahead with the process
32:27
of arranging a meeting which will enable them to tell their stories before one or
32:30
more members of Congress. I submit to you that such a process is extraordinary.
32:42
That's really interesting because I gets into like to these whistleblowers out there,
32:47
that are you know, testifying before Congress and saying that they know all about
32:52
the aliens and all of the crash UFO wreckage, like Dave Grush. Do
33:00
they know that it's fake? Do they know that it's made up nonsense and
33:06
they're doing it anyway, or have they been convinced that it's real? And
33:13
I'm in that camp. I think that a lot of these people have been
33:16
convinced that this stuff is real, so they go out and they tell people
33:22
that it is real, the exact same way that the Air Force did de
33:28
Paul Benowitz and that the NSA did to Paul Benowitz. He was convinced that
33:32
it was extraterrestrials that he was capturing on his camera, extraterrestrial craft. He
33:37
was convinced that he was in communication with extraterrestrials through his computer. He didn't
33:45
know that it was bogus. So therefore, when he went out into the
33:47
community and talked to all these other UFO researchers and other people within ufology,
33:53
he spoke it as if it was real. He had conviction behind it.
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And I don't think that a lot of these people know that what they're talking
34:05
about is nonsense and it's made up, it's fake information. It's missed this
34:10
and deception operations that are being wrung. I really don't think that they're essentially
34:16
useful idiots. That's what I think is going on. I don't think that
34:22
a majority of them are intentionally deceiving people. They're doing it unknowingly because they
34:30
have I mean, Dave Grush has said multiple times the information that he has
34:35
is from third from people telling him stories. There's no evidence behind any of
34:40
his claims. Where is his evidence? Show us the evidence, release the
34:45
evidence of the things that you're saying. But he can't because all he has
34:51
is stories, second, third, and fourth hand stories from people that have
34:54
cultivated this narrative any circular reporting fashion, regardless of the truth or deception involved.
35:05
And I think it's high time the UFO community stopped throwing rocks at it
35:08
and began to consider the implications. One thing I can assure you is that
35:16
rocks are not Our project will continue. You can either become involved as others
35:22
in the UFO community have done, or you can sit back and wait for
35:27
results. Whatever those results, good, bad, positive or negative, you
35:31
will hear about them. Our trolling of the bait by means of a progressive
35:37
release of information, and ultimately by arranging for Falcon and Condor to appear on
35:42
the UFO Cover Up Live show, produced a variety of interesting results. Shortly
35:47
after the show, the FBI showed up and began asking questions about it.
35:53
They even arranged for a private showing in the office of producer Michael seligman Son
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both East and West coasts interviewed a number of ethologists and other people, including
36:04
Jamie shanderay that although I let it be known that I'd be more than happy
36:08
to talk to them, they avoided me. Again. That is done to
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figure out if they have any kind of classified, top secret military information and
36:22
who's leaking that information out to the public. That's why they're interviewing these upologists.
36:30
That's why that's why the FBI is interested. They're not interested because it's
36:35
extraterrestrials and these people supposedly have contact with extraterrestrials. No, they're not doing
36:40
that, that is not the case. They're interviewing and talking to these people
36:44
to try and find out what kind of information they know and who is supplying
36:47
them with the information from the military. And people think that that has to
36:52
do with aliens because they believe in aliens and that the aliens are in contact
36:57
and have some kind of contract with the military to abduct people and cattle mutilations
37:01
and underground bases. But that's not the case. That's all made up.
37:07
The real thing that they're looking for is do people have classified top secret information
37:14
about advanced military craft or advanced top secret military operations. This I found to
37:20
be particularly interesting in light of the FBI's admission, in response to a Floyer
37:23
request that they have nearly sixty pages of material on me that is all classified
37:29
for reasons of national security. That was in July of nineteen eighty eight.
37:35
I still have no idea what those pages contained. Another thing that occurred,
37:40
as we had hoped it would, was that a rather small number of people
37:45
came out of the woodwork claiming to have inside knowledge of one type or another
37:49
about MJ twelve or similar government UFO projects. After weeding out the obvious cranks
37:55
and several others whose claims did not check out, whose stories changed every time
38:00
they told them, we were left with a few leads which seemed promising.
38:06
It's premature to offer you a report on these at this time because we're still
38:09
checking. Also, seemingly in direct relationship to our partial release of MJ twelve
38:17
material two years ago, the flow of us escalated from a point of near
38:25
insignificance to what has become almost a flood tide. Indeed, many of you
38:31
in the audience came here tonight looking for answers to questions. Really for anybody
38:36
that's just joining in, we are covering the second part of the William Bill
38:42
Moore Moufon Conference lectures slash speaking engagement that William Moore was giving a nineteen eighty
38:50
nine to the Moufon Conference, related directly to that problem. As I have
38:57
taken great pains to point out, the current crop of disinformation is really nothing
39:04
new. It's just that a different crop of people are spreading at this time
39:08
around Oh my god, wow, what he just said there is so on
39:15
point. He's heading every single thing within this community. It's just a different
39:22
crop of people spreading the exact same information, which is exactly what doctor Sean
39:28
ker Patrick said in his Arrow Report of the Historical UFO Record Report that Arrow
39:36
just released about a month ago. That is just the same group of people.
39:42
Well, it's the same information with a different group of people, the
39:45
same content that's being regurgitated and twist and turned and turned into something different with
39:53
well, it's turned into something that's the same, but with different people reporting
39:57
on it. It's the exact same thing. We see this all the time,
40:00
not even within the uphological circles, but with everything like you'll see cern
40:07
pop up again every couple of years, You'll see things about the Bermuda triangle
40:15
pop up every once in a while. You know, it's the same thing
40:19
that's regurgitated constantly for a new audience and to rope new people in that might
40:23
not have been familiar with it to begin with. I expect that those responsible,
40:30
not the rumormongers themselves, but the ones who are feeding them, thought
40:35
it would work just as well this time as it did last. The one
40:38
thing I am sure they didn't count on is that I would tell my story
40:43
and thus blow their cover. Nobody counted on that. Bill. No one's
40:50
seen this the thing of common bro. No one's seen this coming. And
40:52
they're mad. They're pissed right now. And speaking of blowing cover, you
41:04
hear that heckler in the background. Mmmm, it's heckling, And speaking of
41:10
blowing cover and speaking, he is being heckled to the core here of blowing
41:27
cover. I think it's high time that I tell you what I know about
41:30
another situation that has found its way into the current crop of UFO disinformation.
41:37
I offer this not to embarrass the person involved, but rather to shed light
41:43
on an incident which, by the accounct it have appeared recently in a variety
41:47
of Everyone's a super Soldier And don't you know? Don't you know? I
41:52
remember you from the Secret Space Program. I had to dream about you,
41:55
girl. I know that you were there. I know I remember you.
41:59
I remember you from something. That's how it goes, UFO newsletters and at
42:06
least one new book as tech rumor. Rick indicated he knew nothing about the
42:21
matter and asked me to tell him everything I could. I did so,
42:27
and as I recall, he took some notes. We discussed a number of
42:31
other things as well. Some months later, in early nineteen eighty three,
42:38
I became aware that Rick was involved with a team of several others, including
42:43
one fellow from Denver that I knew of, and at least one who was
42:45
working out of Washington, d C. In playing an elaborate disinformation game against
42:52
a prominent cattle mutilation researcher who at the time had close connections with a major
42:58
television film company, and in doing a UFO documentary, he's talking about Linda
43:02
Moult and howe here that's Linda mol and how Although I was not in a
43:07
position to know everything about what was going on, I had access to enough
43:13
of it to conclude that the government seemed hell bent on severing the ties that
43:16
existed between the researcher and the film company. My understanding was that because the
43:23
researcher was known to have close ties to Benewitz and had exhibited a strong interest
43:29
in his work, certain elements within the intelligence community were concerned that the story
43:34
of his having intercepted electromagnetic emissions from the Kirtland, Sandia area would end up
43:39
as part of the script of a feature film. Since had nothing to do
43:46
with the cattle or the cattle mutilations or the aliens. It was it had
43:52
to do with the top secret military installation that had to do with lasers and
44:00
Paul intercepting actual military technology signals. That's why they were going after the linimal
44:12
now and Richard Doughty actually said that in our interview together if you guys would
44:17
like to go back and listen to that, if you haven't already listened to
44:21
it. This in turn might influence others, possibly even the Soviets, to
44:27
attempt similar interceptions. Someone in a control position apparently felt it had to be
44:31
stopped before it get out of hand. In any case, the prime objective
44:37
of the counterintelligence people who swarmed around Benoitz between nineteen eighty and eighty four seemed
44:42
to be the maintenance of a high level security net around the radio signals he
44:45
was intercepting. I was unable to determine why this was a priority at the
44:51
time, and I still do not know today. What I do know,
44:57
however, is that since they couldn't physically fall from intercepting these signals, and
45:02
since they hadn't been successful in enlisting his voluntary silence, they fell back on
45:07
a wall of disinformation haha and confused the issue and ultimately to call his credibility
45:15
into question. When the filmmaker appeared on the scene and it looked as if
45:20
Paul's story might become part of the script, the counterintelligence people simply extended their
45:24
disinformation activities. Accordingly. Part of this game involved a meeting between the cattle
45:30
mutilation researcher in question, agent Richard Dody, and others at the AFOSI office
45:37
at Kirkland Air Force Base, wherein the researcher subsequently claimed to have been allowed
45:42
to view certain purportedly sensitive documents about the government's alleged involvement with UFOs. This
45:50
is when Richard Doughty I gave Linda Mullen how a completely fake and fabricated document
45:59
for her to read over. Richard Doughty also talked about this in our interview
46:05
together as well. Part of this material included information about an alleged UFO crash
46:10
retrieval at Aztec. Richard Doty, who's bound by a security oath, cannot,
46:17
and I am told, will not discuss this matter except to say that
46:22
he broke no laws and gave away no secrets that day. That, insofar
46:27
as I'm aware, is entirely correct. I, on the other hand,
46:30
was never required to sign a security oath and am therefore breaking no laws when
46:36
I tell you quite candidly that the information which changed hands on that day was
46:40
directly descended from the discussion Doty and I had had only a few months earlier
46:46
to I can also tell you that it was a very effective deception because the
46:51
researcher involved continues to believe this information and actively continues to try to convince others
46:55
of its truth, even now, more than six years after the fact.
47:01
Woo Dame hidden Linda hard right there. Bill. Unfortunately, there was no
47:13
UFO crash at as Tech, nor was there much truth to any of the
47:16
other materials applied to this particular researcher, either at that meeting or during later
47:22
encounters. The much touted alien harvest is really a dismal crop failure. To
47:28
the best of my knowledge, it was all disinformation, and I was the
47:31
unfortunate one who had unwittingly supplied the fuel to those who were spreading the fire.
47:37
I've held my silence on this matter for more than six years. So
47:43
what he's seen is that he was talking with Richard Dody prior to Richard Doty
47:50
meeting with Linda Mullnow that gave Richard Dody the idea to give Linda Mulow all
47:58
this fake information that Bill Moore was talking to Richard Dody about before. Oh
48:06
yeah, it's wild, and this is according to him. I don't know
48:09
how much I think Richard Dody said that he didn't know anything about the document,
48:16
or that the document was given to him and he didn't read it,
48:20
or something like that, But who knows, who knows? I definitely believe
48:22
what everything that Bill Moore is saying over anything that Richard Dody says. For
48:27
sure, Now you know the truth disinformation. Disinformation is a strange and bizarre
48:37
game. Those who play it are completely aware that an operation's success is dependent
48:43
upon dropping information upon a target or mark in such a way that the person
48:47
will accept it his truth, and will repeat and even defend it to others
48:52
as if it were true. Once this has been accomplished, Major, we
48:59
certainly have a number of rude people in this audience. That's too bad.
49:02
Oooh, get them both. Once this has been accomplished, the work of
49:07
the counterintelligence specialist is complete, taken simply withdraw and the confidence that the dirty
49:14
work of spreading their poisoned seeds will be done by others. Those who want
49:19
proof of how well the process works need only look around you. Every time
49:23
one of you repeats an unverified or unsubstantiated bit of information without qualifying it as
49:30
such, you are contributing to that process. And every time you do it,
49:37
somebody and a need to know position sits back and has a horse laugh
49:39
at your expense. Oh my god, did you just listen to what he
49:44
just said right there? Holy crap. That is the best words that I've
49:51
couldn't have said it better myself. I mean, I've said that similarly,
49:54
but not in the same words as he just said it. That was put
50:00
beautifully, beautifully. Rewind them and listen to that part again. Holy crap.
50:06
One final comment on the Aztec hoax is the two other individuals whom self
50:09
published a voluminous book Ufo Crash at Aztec on the affair in nineteen eighty seven,
50:16
chose to completely omit any mention of my extensive research on the case,
50:22
which had been published two years earlier, in which both researchers had copies of.
50:30
It's a class absolutely, we are welcome to the show. Like I've
50:37
said, the conspiracies are the conspiracy. It's the easiest way to put it.
50:46
Classic case of the book's principal author having decided that his conclusion with what
50:52
his conclusion would be before even beginning the process of investigating, and then ignoring
50:58
everything which didn't fit. One of the problems the ufology movement has with its
51:02
image is that there are a significant number of people involved with it who normally
51:08
support this sort of journalism but encourage it. The next section of this presentation
51:16
we'll deal with questions and answers, but the format will be a bit different,
51:22
and that I will not take questions from the audience, but have elected
51:27
to incorporate a number of questions and their answers directly into the body of this
51:31
paper. Question number one, am I currently involved with providing information to any
51:40
government agency about UFOs or about people involved with the UFO phenomena? Answered no,
51:50
I have not had any such involvement since nineteen eighty four. Pack when
51:57
starting their math, they're pissed. Oh my god, Oh my god.
52:12
Frankly, I'm a little ashamed of some people in this audience. Regardless of
52:15
what you believe, what you hear or not. This is not a debate.
52:32
It is a paper trying to be presented. Now, please show a
52:36
little courtesy. Thank you. True got him. They were pissed. Oh
52:51
my god. Their entire belief system and structure has just been shattered to the
52:57
core, which is so sad because William Bill Moore here. After this presentation
53:07
that he's giving at move On in nineteen eighty nine, he just completely leaves
53:12
the scene. No one's heard from him since, and it's like, holy
53:16
crap, they just they battered him. I'll repeat that question. That's what
53:25
belief gets you, folks. That's when you believe in something so heavily and
53:30
then evidence comes out against your belief and you don't want to believe it,
53:34
so therefore you attack the individual and heckle the individual. Am I currently involved
53:40
with providing information to any government agency about UFOs or about people involved with the
53:46
UFO phenomena? Answered No, I have not had any such involvement since nineteen
53:55
eighty four. The extent and scope of that involvement or essentially as I have
54:02
already outlined to you, and nothing more. Question two, Am I presently
54:10
involved in knowingly spreading any sort of disinformation about UFOs? Answer no. The
54:21
only conscious involvement I had ever had with a disinformation operation was that which I
54:28
have already outlined in connection with the Benowitz case. Question three, Am I
54:36
presently or have I ever been on the payroll of any agency of the US
54:40
government? But he did write an entire book on the Roswell incident called the
54:49
Roswell Incident in the early eighties that was filled full of missing disinformation about the
54:55
Roswell wreckage and crash that people still believe to this very day. But I
55:01
think that the identifying mark in his statement right there was saying did he knowingly?
55:08
He probably didn't know that that was missing disinformation in that book. It's
55:15
like what I was mentioning earlier. Do these people that are the touting the
55:20
UFO and extraterrestrial hypothesis know that they're deceiving people and intentionally misinforming and disinforming people?
55:32
They probably don't. So the distincting factor of him saying that did he
55:37
knowingly miss or disinform or give anybody any kind of deception relating to UFOs or
55:44
extraterrestrials, He's probably correct in saying that. No question for what about my
55:57
involvement were UFO research? Lee Graham answer earlier in this paper, I told
56:07
you of how I was recruited to supply information on mister Benowitz in nineteen eighty
56:14
and the exact wording of my statement was Benowitz and to a lesser extent,
56:20
several other individuals. One of those other individuals was Lee Graham. This began
56:28
in nineteen eighty three. If memory serves, It's important to note here that,
56:32
in addition to being a UFO researcher, Lee is also an avid military
56:37
aircraft buff. As far as I'm aware, the counterintelligence people were primarily interested
56:45
in him because at the time Lee was making a lot of inquiries and collecting
56:51
a great deal of information on the then very highly classified stealth aircraft program.
57:00
Nobull truth to people recruit through a belief or money. These days, I
57:02
think it's a little bit of both. The cults recruit through belief and the
57:07
grifters recruit through money. Double edged sword. Apparently there was some question as
57:15
to why he was so interested in obtaining information on so sensitive a subject.
57:20
In other words, was he using it solely to satisfy a personal curiosity or
57:25
was he passing it on to others who perhaps had foreign intelligence connections. There
57:30
seemed to be only minimal interest in his UFO activities. Lee is a completely
57:37
above board individual who is a loyal US citizen. In the process of keeping
57:43
in touch with him, we became good friends. His knowledge of the fact
57:47
that I had friends in the intelligence community gradually evolved into the firm belief on
57:52
his party that I was much more than I really was. The ID card
57:58
story, which has become the subject of so much speculation lately, stems from
58:04
nothing more than a practical joke which has simply gotten out of hand. Since
58:08
the story surrounding it is somewhat longer than the time here will allow, I
58:13
will commit to publishing it later in our newsletter so that it will be on
58:17
record for anyone interested in the facts. The fact is I do not hold
58:23
the government ID card, but think about it for just one moment. If
58:29
I did, does it make sense that I'd pull it out of my wallet
58:32
and show it to Lee Graham or anybody else for that matter. In question
58:39
five, is it true that several hours of interviews with the source code named
58:45
Falcon were videotaped, some in the presence of bona fide members of the news
58:51
media. And is it true, as some have alleged, that those tapes
58:57
were confiscated by the US government. Answer, Yes, it is true that
59:04
those tapes were made, and no, it is not true that they were
59:08
confiscated. They are still in our position. Question six, is it true
59:16
that I've characterized the cattle mutilation phenomenon as a hoax. I would love to
59:24
have him on Noble truth about getting a hold of him as a whole other
59:29
rigamarrele. I asked Richard Dodi when when was the last time that he heard
59:37
from him? And he said the last time he knew something or knew where
59:40
he was was in Pennsylvania. I think is what Rick said. Currently lives
59:46
in Pennsylvania. And I think you said something about that he's working at a
59:52
gas station or something. I don't know if that was Rick just making it
59:58
up to be derogatory to or Bill Moore, or if that was the truth.
1:00:02
But no one's heard from him. No one really knows where he is.
1:00:08
Answer no. Question seven. Do I know anything about the so called
1:00:15
Ellsworth Air Force based humanoid case of nineteen seventy seven and the documents associated with
1:00:22
it? Answer yes. Some people have characterized this case as a hoax,
1:00:29
while others have at attributed it to official disinformation. It's my position that this
1:00:36
was a special counter intelligence training exercise in the creation and dissemination of disinformation,
1:00:45
which is pretty much all of it. All of it is military training exercises.
1:00:52
The gimbal the tic tac all that was shot in military restricted military airspace.
1:01:01
It was military craft. Okay, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to
1:01:06
realize that it's the military. Yes, Richard Doty, who was stationed at
1:01:13
Ellsworth at the time, was clearly a part of it, but not in
1:01:16
any capacity where he would have been responsible for creating the documents involved. Falcon
1:01:25
is the person that Bill Moore is relating to that's in charge of the deception
1:01:30
operation that's feeding all these people the information to go out and spread to other
1:01:36
people within the community. Bill Moore knows his real name, but he just
1:01:43
calls him. I'm pretty sure he knows his real name, but he's just
1:01:45
referring to him as Falcon. Question, Nate, do I know anything about
1:01:54
Falcon? Would be like Richard Doty's boss about the so called White So letter.
1:02:05
Answer. Yes. The letter, which is loosely based upon an actual
1:02:09
UFO case, was written anonymously to APRO in July of nineteen eighty by Richard
1:02:15
Dody and is directly related to the Benowitz affair. Essentially, it was bait
1:02:23
Afosi knew that Benowitz had close ties with the APRO organization at the time,
1:02:29
and they were interested in recruiting someone within the organization who would be in a
1:02:32
position to provide them with feedback on Benowitz's activities and communications. Since I was
1:02:39
an APERO board member, the white so letter was passed to me for action
1:02:45
shortly after it had been received. It was not long thereafter that I came
1:02:49
to know Richard Doty and began to provide him with information about Benowitz and his
1:02:54
case. Question nine, what do I know about the so called Aquarius document
1:03:01
which purports to be a facsimile AFOFSI message with a few spurious additions. I
1:03:10
neither typed nor retyped this document. It was created by AFOSI, or at
1:03:17
least I always assumed it was, and it was handed to me in February
1:03:22
nineteen eighty one with the intention that I would pass it to Benowitz. My
1:03:28
understanding, although I never knew for sure, was that Benowitz was expected to
1:03:32
wave it to the press and others as proof of what he was saying about
1:03:36
an alien invasion, at which point the document would be not denounced as a
1:03:40
counterfeit and Benowitz would be further discredited. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, depending
1:03:49
upon one's point of view, it didn't turn out that way. A highlighted
1:03:54
version of this document showing the real information and the added information, and appears
1:04:00
in the current issue of our newsletter, which will be available at our table
1:04:03
out in the lobby. I might also add that the entire text of this
1:04:08
speech is also in there. One additional bit of information about this document is
1:04:15
the way that it came to be known to the UFO community in September of
1:04:19
nineteen eighty two. In so far as I was aware, there were only
1:04:23
three copies of this document in existence. One of these I had given to
1:04:28
Benewitz, the second was in safekeeping, and a third was in my briefcase
1:04:33
during a trip which I had made to San Francisco. While there, I
1:04:39
had a morning meeting with a man who turned out later to be an associate
1:04:42
of eufologist Peter Gerston. That same afternoon, my car was broken into and
1:04:48
the briefcase was stolen. There is a police report, by the way on
1:04:53
file in San Francisco. Four months later, a copy of that same document,
1:04:58
complete with annotations I had penciled on it, turned up in the hands
1:05:00
of none other than Gerston himself. To this day, Wow, I have
1:05:05
never received a satisfactory explanation of how he obtained it? Wow. Question ten,
1:05:13
what about the AFOSI documents which speak of a nineteen eighty the UFO landing
1:05:18
near a nuclear storage facility within the Kirtland Air Force Base complex. Are these
1:05:25
documents more disinformation or are they authentic? Answer? To the best of my
1:05:30
knowledge, they are authentic. Question eleven, What about other documents which I've
1:05:39
either alluded to having or have published portions of without providing further details. Dang,
1:05:45
Bill, you don't want to expand upon that one that you think is
1:05:48
actually authentic. Tell us about that one, Bill, Now we'll skip over
1:05:54
that answer. There are a number of these, and they came to this
1:06:00
in several different ways. None of them, however, seem to have any
1:06:03
direct connection to the Benoitz case, nor, as far as I can tell,
1:06:08
as Richard Doty directly involved in supplying them to us. Whether they are
1:06:13
legitimate or disinformation, they're more likely a combination of both is still a matter
1:06:17
of question. Once we have completed our study of these materials, we will
1:06:24
make them available as well. Our publication of expurgated copies of some of this
1:06:29
material also served a definite purpose, but that's another story. Question number twelve
1:06:39
UFO basher Phil Class has been the topic of a number of rumors lately to
1:06:43
the effect that he's an active government disinformation agent. What do I think about
1:06:47
that? Answer, mister Class is a very own. By the way,
1:06:54
whenever the date pomps up on this video, you says two thousand and four,
1:07:00
This didn't happen in two thousand and four, is nineteen eighty nine,
1:07:03
But it's being recorded from a VHS player off of another recording, so that
1:07:12
title recording is popping up, So it was copied and recorded in two thousand
1:07:17
and four, but the real footage is from nineteen eighty nine. Very astute
1:07:21
individual who has long been a close follower of my activities. Indeed, I
1:07:28
believe he was the only one out of the entire UFO community who managed to
1:07:32
figure out what I and my associates were up to. And it horrified,
1:07:39
in my opinion, the very idea that someone might actually be capable of getting
1:07:44
fine enough into the UFO problem to unmask his debunking plans constituted a personal threat
1:07:49
to him that had to be dealt with. He has been obsessed with doing
1:07:54
everything possible to try to either stop or discredit used. Ever, since the
1:07:59
handout he passed around today to many of you is just another example of it.
1:08:04
As to his motives, I think it's best left to mister Class to
1:08:08
explain why he behaves as he does. Perhaps still bashes UFOs and the people
1:08:14
who see them for the same reason that other people tear the wings off of
1:08:16
flies, or perhaps he gets well paid to do what he does. Him
1:08:25
there's nothing to UFOs, as he's consistently claimed, and I can't imagine why
1:08:30
he gets so emotional about them, unless, of course, unless, of
1:08:40
course, it's all part of the script. Shall has been bashing UFOs for
1:08:45
over twenty years now. In that process, he's always been very quick to
1:08:50
ascribe ulterior motives to the people who report them and investigate them. There are
1:08:57
a lot of people in this audience would be very interested in hearing what his
1:09:00
out here your motives are. Why does Class bears UFOs? Why, for
1:09:08
one would welcome a rational explanation of just buy a man with debout twenty years
1:09:11
of his life to an essentially one man crusade against something which he claims doesn't
1:09:15
exist. If he's not spreading disinformation, if he's not on some government or
1:09:23
private payroll, then just what is he up to and precisely what does he
1:09:28
hope to accomplish by it. See, that's the dividing factor between the community.
1:09:35
You have people on two opposite ends. One of the one in this
1:09:41
like full fledged believers that believe everything that anybody ever says about UFOs and about
1:09:47
the extraterrestrial hypothesis. And then on the other end, the other extreme end,
1:09:53
you have people that are like, no, it's all fake, it's
1:09:57
all made up. Which there's a the middle ground there, which is what
1:10:00
I've been trying to expose. No, UFOs aren't fake, but they're not
1:10:09
aliens either. They're not extraterresturials either. It's the middle ground. Right,
1:10:15
How about it, folks, how many of you would like to hear what
1:10:17
makes class tics? I think he owes us all an explanation of what,
1:10:30
in my opinion, and I'm sure and that of many others, here has
1:10:33
been twenty long years of unprofessional attitude. As a matter of fact, I
1:10:42
think he owes a lot of people in apology, myself included. Pages of
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my newsletter are open to you. Feel whenever you're ready to explain yourself,
1:11:00
we'll be more than happy to print it, and now having gotten that out
1:11:04
of the way, it seems to be an appropriate place to tell you the
1:11:09
story of Man's first contact with the Martians. During a worldwide telecast of the
1:11:15
Martian ambassador's press conference, the following dialogue transpired. Reporter, tell me,
1:11:23
mister Martian, what sort of social structure do you have on Mars? Marsian,
1:11:30
Well, we're held about communists. There are no cares or worries in
1:11:36
our society, and we are all extremely happy. Reporter, well, what's
1:11:45
the one thing about living on Mars that make sure people the happiest? Good
1:11:51
night, Sam, thanks for being here, my friend. Appreciate you have
1:11:56
a good night. No, it's super late where you are. Well to
1:12:00
the foil baby the Martian, Well, that's a very easy question. You
1:12:05
see, unlike the people on Earth, Leon Mars enjoy the distinct advantage of
1:12:11
living in a completely classless society. So, moving from the humorous back to
1:12:27
the serious, here's question thirteen. What do I think of it? That
1:12:31
was obviously a joke. He was obviously joking about the Martian h Lee dreeper
1:12:36
and his claims of being a UFO Abductea. Answer. At first, I
1:12:44
was highly skeptical and admittedly somewhat jealous of Whitley. As a result, I
1:12:49
undertook to get to know the man in order to assess things for myself.
1:12:55
In that process, he's earned my respect, my admiration, and my friend.
1:13:00
Whitley has come very close to the truth in a number of ways,
1:13:03
and although still somewhat baffled by his own experiences, he's found a very acceptable
1:13:09
way of accommodating them into his life. If one makes a conscious effort to
1:13:14
remove Whitley's emotional reactions and then takes a hard look at the remaining core of
1:13:18
information, the result is an insightful look into what gives every appearance of being
1:13:25
a real situation. In any event, I certainly wouldn't dismiss this man too
1:13:30
lightly. We're going to hear a lot more from him before it's all over,
1:13:36
and I agree with that. In the beginning with Whitley, Streeber in
1:13:40
his book co Union, he was very careful not to call the beings extraterrestrials.
1:13:46
He called them the visitors, which visitors could be under the banner of
1:13:50
anything. It could be military, it could be spirits, it could be
1:13:55
demons, it could be translucent. Uh what is that called the uh not
1:14:09
the front fuck. I can't think of the word right now, but it
1:14:13
could be whatever. And by calling them visitors, he wasn't quick to call
1:14:16
them extraterrestrials. But then later on and into the nineties, he started calling
1:14:23
them extraterrestrials just because it was such a big topic for people to talk about
1:14:30
and that there are experiences. Well, it was the gray aliens, it
1:14:34
was the extraterrestrials. So he bought into that, and he actually wrote a
1:14:39
book called The Grays Question fourteen Your Own the Clock that I am, Jamie
1:14:47
Chanderray made a trip to Rocking and DC in anticipation of meeting a live alien
1:14:54
and we stood up in the process. Doesn't this imply that we were highly
1:14:58
I was thinking plasma and plasma was right word, plasma beings, vullible individuals.
1:15:04
The experience was probably just a practical joke on the part of the disinformation
1:15:11
answer not at all. Okay, if you stop to think about it,
1:15:16
considering what you now know of our project and its goals, we had a
1:15:20
story no matter what happened. We made the trip because we simply couldn't lose
1:15:28
but then there's more to that experience than you know about. Once again,
1:15:33
let me caution the hasty pudding crowd not to jump to conclusions until all the
1:15:38
facts are in Question fifteen, What are my plans for the future? Answer?
1:15:48
I and my associates will continue our work and will continue to keep you
1:15:53
informed of our results as circumstances warrant. What you've heard today is only part
1:15:58
of a larger body of information. Question sixteen, Assuming they're interested, what
1:16:05
can fellow uprologists do to support our continuing efforts? Can't wait to hear this
1:16:12
one. Answer. First of all, what we're doing takes a lot of
1:16:16
time and a lot of money. We have the time, money is not
1:16:23
always available. The easiest thing you can do is to make some contribution to
1:16:28
the effort. If not in cash, which by no means do we request,
1:16:33
you might want to offer time research services. You might have information which
1:16:39
you feel we were interest We might be interested in it. In any case,
1:16:44
feel free to contact us at any time. Two years ago in Washington,
1:16:48
DC, I stated we were looking for help. The response was damn
1:16:54
few offers and a lot of rocks thrown in our direction. I can say
1:16:59
to you now the last inventory. We had plenty of rocks. We still
1:17:03
need the help. Those of you that still have rocks to throw, allow
1:17:10
me to suggest that they might be put to better use by tossing them to
1:17:13
the rumormongers or the disinformers or the incompetence that are presently running rampantly. Yes,
1:17:23
please stop coming after the people that are putting out really good information,
1:17:28
factual and truthful information, and then giving all of your attention to the bullshit
1:17:34
pushers. That's essentially what he's saying there. Stop it. Stop coming after
1:17:42
the good people, go after the freaking deception people. Those people are the
1:17:48
ones that are giving us a bad image. Question seventeen, what about the
1:17:56
so called blue Book thirteen report. I think it's best left up to those
1:18:02
who are circulating this material to provide the proof of its authenticity. I remain
1:18:09
unconvinced of it, but open minded. I'm going to have to look up
1:18:14
the Blue Book thirteen material that he's talking about. I'm not familiar with that,
1:18:19
which brings me at last to the final section of this lengthy paper.
1:18:24
I know about Project blue Book and Project Sign and Project Grudge and all that,
1:18:29
but I think he's referring to some kind of leaked document that's probably fake.
1:18:36
It seems to me that it's high time I made my position clear about
1:18:40
a few things. A lot of people seem to be very interested in knowing
1:18:45
where Bill Moore stands, So here goes. Let me begin by stating that
1:18:50
the positions presented here are entirely my own. All are based upon it by
1:18:57
me and by associates during the course of our project. Some of that has
1:19:01
been made available already, some is provided for the first time in this paper,
1:19:08
and some remains to be released at a later more appropriate time. As
1:19:13
to the existence and depth of that which yet is yet to be released,
1:19:16
he'll just have to take my word for the time being the best of to
1:19:21
the best of my knowledge, everything here is true. Indeed, although I
1:19:29
confess to having practiced an occasional deception now and again over the years, in
1:19:32
order to protect the integrity of what I was doing, our goal from the
1:19:36
very beginning was to keep things as about board as possible. After all,
1:19:44
ours is a search for answers, not an effort to create more mysteries.
1:19:53
Position number one is that a highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization is visiting planet Earth and
1:20:02
is actively manipulating our awareness of their presence here. Position number two, elements
1:20:12
of at least two of the US government's intelligence agencies are aware of this,
1:20:17
and both are presently conducting highly classified, ongoing research projects. I can tell
1:20:26
you without reservation that at least one of these efforts, and possibly both,
1:20:30
has access to electromagnetic, optical, and infrared signature data, which, if
1:20:34
released to the public, would provide proof positive that some UFOs represent somebody else's
1:20:41
highly advanced technology. Unfortunately, I can't tell you more at this time.
1:20:49
I wish I could. Those of you who find me competent and credible will
1:20:56
take this as a revelation. I can't. I just said a quick Google
1:21:01
search on Bluebook thirteen, nothing's coming up in relation to UFOs or even Project
1:21:12
Bluebook. Off to try and look into it further later on, which is
1:21:17
as it should be. Those who hold other opinions will continue to throw rocks,
1:21:23
while loudly demanding at the same time that I deliver proof positive into their
1:21:27
hands in a silver platter so that they can call it their own and claim
1:21:30
credit for it. Patience, my friends. Position three. US government counterintelligence
1:21:42
people have conducted an on again, off again campaign of deception and disinformation about
1:21:46
the UFO phenomenon for more than forty years. Did you hear that? Did
1:21:55
you hear that the government has been organized and orchestrating a UFO to some misinformation
1:22:02
deception operation for more than forty years? Huh? Those who have been responsible
1:22:11
for such operations are highly placed individuals within at least two separate agencies, and
1:22:16
there does seem to be a degree of cooperation between them. These operations involve
1:22:23
a large number of people and are well organized, But it's not a deception
1:22:28
operation to cover up the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a deception operation to make
1:22:34
people believe that it's extraterrestrials. Let's the switcher route. They also include the
1:22:41
use of phony documents and the recruiting of informants who are able to provide information
1:22:45
on the activities of people conducting UFO research or who have had UFO experiences.
1:22:53
It's literally the opposite of what people think that it actually is. Why is
1:22:58
this happening? My experience suggests five different reasons. Ay, the disinformation provides
1:23:10
security cover for a real UFO project which exists at a very high level.
1:23:15
And is known only to an elite few B, which is an advanced military
1:23:27
highly classifying project to create advanced aircraft. It is also useful as part of
1:23:35
a security process designed to divert attention away from the real but non UFO related
1:23:41
high tech research and development projects such as that C. It is a manipulation
1:23:49
by a group of highly placed and well to do individuals like the Trilateralists,
1:23:55
who espouse a one world philosophy and who are using the UFO phenomen get an
1:24:00
effort to bring about low humity in the face of an unknown threat from space.
1:24:05
Oooh man, you just hit three amazing points right there. Holy shit,
1:24:12
that UFO alien threat baby. Indeed ye, which is what they all
1:24:18
talk about. All the extraterrestrials are invading our airspace. We gonna protect our
1:24:24
airspace. Let us come to fruition more than the other two, but the
1:24:29
other two come later on. Provides a convenient way to train counterintelligence agents and
1:24:33
the techniques of deception and disinformation. Ooh he. It is a manipulation by
1:24:41
UFO aliens themselves as part of their plan to gradually make human society aware of
1:24:46
their presence. Highly unlikely, but a possibility. My position is that the
1:24:55
truth is better whether they they cut his mic right there, those people are
1:25:10
witting or unwitting tools of this process. I do not know they're cutting his
1:25:20
mic trying to tell him to shut up. First thing the disinformation people expected,
1:25:31
however, is that someone who knew of their activities with a benefits affair
1:25:38
man. I bet those phrases that he was just saying when the mic shut
1:25:41
off for Golden Golden will never know would pop up after so many years and
1:25:49
burst their balloon. Yes, this was nineteen eighty nine. Position four.
1:25:59
We have thanks for being here, Welcome to the show. I appreciate you.
1:26:02
Have a good night and happy Fourth of July. Though I don't think
1:26:10
that whatever country you're in you celebrate Fourth of July because you're in a completely
1:26:15
different time zone that none of those are in the United States. But appreciate
1:26:20
your viewership and thanks for being in the chart. My friend been able to
1:26:25
confirm that there is in fact a group known as MJ twelve which operates at
1:26:29
the White House National Security Console level. It's the best of my knowledge this
1:26:34
group still uses MJ twelve as the designator. Level of security around this group
1:26:41
is such that we have not yet succeeded in establishing whether or not its functions
1:26:46
are UFO related, or even precisely how long the group has existed. Along
1:26:54
these same lines, none of our sources has indicated any knowledge whatsoever with terms
1:27:00
such as Magi, majesty, p I, forty, Plato, garnet,
1:27:04
or a number of other terms currently being spread by certain elements. Thank you,
1:27:10
welcome to the show. Position five. There is in fact a project
1:27:15
Aquarius, possibly two of them. They have succeeded in obtaining considerable information about
1:27:23
one such project in nineteen seventy one seventy three time frame, and sketchy information
1:27:29
about another, which may be a later extension of the first one, in
1:27:32
the seventy six to eighty five time frame. This information includes contract and report
1:27:39
numbers, as well as the names of several individuals who worked on the project.
1:27:45
More details will be forthcoming later. Meanwhile, it ill behooves UFO researchers
1:27:51
to deluge the government with three them credom of information requests for details of sensitive
1:27:58
high level projects. This simply alerts the powers that be that you are handed
1:28:02
them, and thus makes it all the more difficult to obtain information through other
1:28:08
channels in the rush for me first, in the UFO community, we are
1:28:14
often our own worst enemies. You said that earlier too, in Part one
1:28:20
of this I we covered a few months back that the UFO community is our
1:28:26
home worre sending me we can't agree upon anything. This question is the better
1:28:30
part of valor position six. With respect to the controversial MJ twelve papers,
1:28:39
these have not been examined by a number of questioned documents experts and other research
1:28:45
on them is continuing as well, as you've just heard from my friends.
1:28:47
Stand in the case of the Coupler Twining memo found in the National Archives,
1:28:55
I can state with reasonable certainty that it is an authentic doctums, and the
1:29:00
best evidence indicates that someone planted it amidst the papers of record Group three forty
1:29:05
one, knowing that there was a strong chance we would find it there.
1:29:12
With respect to this so called Eisenhower Briefing document, there is still no compelling
1:29:16
reason to believe it is anything but authentic. On the other hand, its
1:29:21
authenticity remains bowfro improved, so in the final analysis the scale remains balanced by
1:29:28
the weight of arguments on both sides. If it's the real thing. It's
1:29:32
going to take extraordinary evidence to convince, even some of them are liberal skeptics.
1:29:39
Well, it has been disproven the MG twelve documents was found that the
1:29:46
signature of of Truman wrote vent over Bush in October of nineteen forty seven,
1:29:59
was copied and pasted onto the MG twelve document and even had like the scribble
1:30:05
marks from that another document, from a genuine document that was copied and pasted
1:30:15
onto the MG twelve document that Truman supposedly put his signature on. So not
1:30:21
only was the stamp on the document not a actual stamp of a government military
1:30:30
document, the signature was also copied and pasted from a real document and then
1:30:35
put onto the MG twelve document. But he didn't know this in nineteen eighty
1:30:42
nine. If it's a hoax, it's extraordinarily well done, much better than
1:30:48
the sort of disinformation I encountered in connection with the Benowitz case. Of course,
1:30:55
it still may be disinformation again, it may not. Either way,
1:31:03
there's a major story here, and the controversy has fired from over. If
1:31:11
it's real, it speaks for itself. If it's disinformation, the equally important
1:31:17
story of why needs to be told. As for the so called Truman Executive
1:31:26
Order of September twenty four, nineteen forty seven, which is actually the final
1:31:31
page of the portion of the Eisenhower document which we have, and the analysts
1:31:35
that come up with mixed results, though not yet disproved, this document presents
1:31:42
the weakest case of the three. We are working on a final report on
1:31:49
this matter, which will include the results of typeface analysis and other processes.
1:31:54
It's going to be a lengthy affair. Before leaving it, however, I
1:31:59
would like to at least comment on what has emerged as the most controversial aspect
1:32:02
of the MJ twelve document affair, that of the date format. There are
1:32:09
a couple of points I would like to make. One. If the similarities
1:32:15
between stylistic characteristics of the documents and my own writings are important, as some
1:32:21
have claimed, that's right, then then are not dissimilarities equally important? There
1:32:30
are some, you know, even in the way the dates are written.
1:32:36
Why do those who go to such pains to point out similarities not go to
1:32:43
equal pains to point out disc similarities, especially when they claim to be using
1:32:48
the scientific method. Could it, i wonder, be prejudiced or does the
1:32:55
word incompetence better describe it. Two, we are by no means convinced that
1:33:02
the date format is as critical an issue as others would make it out to
1:33:05
be. While the style is admittedly unusual, it is not without precedent,
1:33:15
and that, of course, is the bottom line, isn't it. Three.
1:33:20
To those of you who still harbor suspicions that I created the documents and
1:33:25
in perpetrating a hoax, I say thank you for the compliment. To those
1:33:31
of you who think it more likely that I am the innocent victim of an
1:33:33
elaborate hoax, I conceive that this remains a possibility which has not yet been
1:33:40
entirely ruled out. He he's introspective enough to think that maybe this is some
1:33:48
kind of psychological campaign on him as well. Yeah, that takes a lot
1:33:55
of self awareness for him to come to that conclusion. The matter of alien
1:34:02
abductions of humans is apparently regarded as serious by those within the government who are
1:34:11
aware of the extraterrestrial nature of UFOs. This is evidenced by the fact that
1:34:16
the government has gone so far as to disinform its own counter intelligence people on
1:34:24
that very subject. I don't know. Starting to turn the lights off on
1:34:34
him, like, get this guy off of the stage, turn the lights
1:34:39
down, make him shut up. Position aid. This secret behind the government
1:34:46
UFO cover up is essentially an awareness of what UFOs are by a few people
1:34:53
in high places who have connections with a national security council in the White House.
1:35:00
Widespread publicity about the abduction phenomenon is an unrupt and what is already a
1:35:04
difficult situation. Within Anian group, there are strong differences of opinion as to
1:35:13
whether information should be released to the public and how fast they see Ah man,
1:35:18
I bet that was such a great bit a man. I want to
1:35:23
know what he said about the government disinforming their own agents on their abduction phenomenon.
1:35:32
Dang. There seems to be some consternation about exactly who is in control
1:35:36
of the situation. Position nine. Uphology has been stumbling around for thirty years
1:35:46
looking for answers. Unless something is done to reduce the petty bickering, the
1:35:54
rumor mongering, the name calling, the ego massaging, the power politics,
1:36:00
and the personal vendettas which have been taking up our time, stapping our strength
1:36:05
and disgracing our image lately. I expect mainstream ufology will go right on,
1:36:12
stumbling for a long time to come. Oooh man, he couldn't. That
1:36:16
statement could not have been any better than what he just said? What would
1:36:24
that be? Thirty thirty thirty four years later, sure he had the nail
1:36:35
on the head. I Submit is a society of professional euprologists which adheres to
1:36:42
established research procedures and techniques, which maintains a rigorous set of ethics and standards,
1:36:50
and which limits its membership to a few whose competence has been appropriately demonstrated.
1:36:57
No matter what happens, however, I am committed to completing the process
1:37:01
I have begun. I am presently working with a network of more than a
1:37:08
dozen individuals, some of whom holds some very impressive credentials. We have been
1:37:15
actively in s exploring the labyrinth of government UFO involvement, and we will continue
1:37:20
to do so until we feel the task is complete or that we can go
1:37:26
no further. Our group is euphemistically called the Aviary, and each individual uses
1:37:35
a code name of a bird as an identifier. And we will continue to
1:37:42
provide the UFO community with data, and we will continue to proceed in a
1:37:47
way which we feel best since our purposes. A number of people have suggested
1:37:53
to me recently that I should defend myself against various allegations and rumors which have
1:37:58
been circulating lately. Well, folks, you've just heard the case for the
1:38:02
defense. Now reach down inside of yourselves and wrench forth a judgment. Now,
1:38:10
I and my group of associates are going to find some answers. No
1:38:14
matter what it takes, and no matter how long it takes, we are
1:38:19
out there digging, and we are going to continue to dig, either with
1:38:26
the support of the UFO community or without it. Arm Chair researchers and hasty
1:38:32
putting pop shot play plagiarist youthologists those only goal is to make themselves look important
1:38:39
at others expense take notes. Why, those of you who think we're doing
1:38:44
a good job and wanna be part of that process, please know that we
1:38:47
want community support you feel you can offer, even if we've had personal differences
1:38:53
between us in the past. Those who feel it's all a calm game or
1:38:59
that it's all dis information can continue to throw all the wraps you want.
1:39:04
We're going to go right on without you, just as we always have.
1:39:12
In closing, I wish to state that the text you've just heard me read
1:39:16
is copywriting. As such, any use of printed, video or audio reproductions
1:39:24
of this material without permission is prohibited. Well, we're in a completely different
1:39:30
time bill change of position for me, different time I frame past. I've
1:39:34
always been very careful to qualify my statements about the possible extra extraterrestrial nature of
1:39:40
UFOs so as to leave room for other explanations. While the evidence that my
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associates and I have accumulated to date, however, it boils down to two
1:39:49
inescapable conclusions. First, there is an extraterrestrial presence here on planet Earth,
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and second, a small number of individuals within our government know it but remain
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undecided as to what to do about it. These two things represent the bottom
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line. From there, it's only a question when covering just how much of
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the rest of the UFO story is for real and how much of it is
1:40:19
bullshit. That is precisely what we intend to do. So either climb aboard
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and hang on or get off the tracks. I apologize for having taken so
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long. If I've offended, that's unfortunate, but I have tried to be
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truthful with you. I had a lot to say, definite some people thank
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you, good night and farewell. That was it, folks. That was
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it. We wrapped it up, We did it and made it through.
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And that is how someone is treated, that is going out and exposing the
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