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E7: Turning Setbacks into Stepping Stones: Thriving as a Creative Entrepreneur · The Creative Jugglejoy Podcast

• 0:04
  Kaylie Edwards: Hey everyone, it's Kaylei and welcome back to the Creative Juggle Joy podcast.
• 0:08
  Kaylie Edwards: I'm here with my co-host, dolores, and today we're diving into a crucial topic for any creative entrepreneur mindset shifts for sustainable success.
• 0:18
  Kaylie Edwards: Whether you're just starting out or looking to level up your creative business, having the right mindset can make all the difference.
• 0:26
  Kaylie Edwards: We'll share our personal experiences, our struggles and the strategies that have helped us along the way, so let's jump in right To kick things off.
• 0:35
  Kaylie Edwards: Let's define what a growth mindset means to us.
• 0:38
  Kaylie Edwards: According to the Stanford psychologist, carol Dweck, a growth mindset is the belief that a person's capacities and talents can be improved over time.
• 0:51
  Kaylie Edwards: For me, having a growth mindset became essential when I had to pivot my handcrafted candle business.
• 0:57
  Kaylie Edwards: I remember being pregnant and dealing with severe heartburn and sickness, feeling like I was constantly fighting an uphill battle.
• 1:07
  Kaylie Edwards: I thought about how challenging it would be to manage a physical product business whilst caring for a newborn, especially with no support system nearby.
• 1:18
  Kaylie Edwards: The thought of giving up crossed my mind many times, especially when I heard people suggest I should just be a stay-at-home mum.
• 1:26
  Kaylie Edwards: But deep down I knew that was not the life I wanted for myself or for my family.
• 1:32
  Kaylie Edwards: I wanted to show my son, that pursuing your dreams is possible, no matter the challenges.
• 1:38
  Kaylie Edwards: I had to embrace the idea that it was okay to shift my focus and adapt my new circumstances.
• 1:44
  Kaylie Edwards: Dlores, how would you describe a growth mindset and why do you think it's important for creatives?
• 1:52
  Delores Naskrent: Well, first you have to remember that everyone starts as a beginner.
• 1:56
  Delores Naskrent: It's totally normal to struggle when you're first learning something new.
• 2:01
  Delores Naskrent: I have in so many different cases.
• 2:03
  Delores Naskrent: We've all been there feeling awkward and unsure of ourselves.
• 2:07
  Delores Naskrent: It's easy to compare ourselves to others and feel like we're falling behind.
• 2:12
  Delores Naskrent: But don't let that ever get you down, because a growth mindset means seeing challenges as chances to grow instead of things to avoid.
• 2:22
  Delores Naskrent: It encourages us to step out of our comfort zones and face hurdles head-on.
• 2:31
  Delores Naskrent: So instead of fearing failure, think of setbacks as opportunities to learn, just like how your muscles get stronger through workouts For creatives.
• 2:43
  Delores Naskrent: This mindset is so super important.
• 2:46
  Delores Naskrent: Embracing challenges helps us to improve and build our confidence.
• 2:51
  Delores Naskrent: Remember, progress takes time and every small step is valuable.
• 2:55
  Delores Naskrent: If things start feeling overwhelming, try setting smaller achievable goals.
• 3:02
  Delores Naskrent: I like breaking my big tasks into little ones and that way I can keep motivated and help myself notice progress along the way.
• 3:14
  Delores Naskrent: So if you hit a challenge, remind yourself it's part of the growth journey and be patient, stay curious and enjoy the process.
• 3:23
  Delores Naskrent: You will totally get there.
• 3:27
  Kaylie Edwards: Thanks, dlores.
• 3:28
  Kaylie Edwards: Next, let's discuss limiting beliefs.
• 3:32
  Kaylie Edwards: I faced imposter syndrome still do, feeling like I didn't know enough to teach or help others because I lacked formal education in marketing and business or help others because I lacked formal education in marketing and business.
• 3:49
  Kaylie Edwards: Yes, I had courses under my belt, from marketing on social media to marketing traditionally, to even graphic design.
• 3:57
  Kaylie Edwards: I've done.
• 3:58
  Kaylie Edwards: I've done website design.
• 3:59
  Kaylie Edwards: I've done all of that, but I still felt like I lacked education that somebody might see as something you know.
• 4:10
  Kaylie Edwards: Credentials these days actually don't mean much and that's what used to hold me back quite a lot was I didn't do it in college or I didn't do it.
• 4:21
  Kaylie Edwards: I didn't go to university and did and had that as an education and I used to think that that was important, whereas actually it's not important at all.
• 4:31
  Kaylie Edwards: You can totally get by on the experience that you've received in other places and you can carry on learning through your life and pick up key skills and teach yourself how to do things that you need to create a creative business.
• 4:52
  Kaylie Edwards: Another belief that haunted me was whether my designs were truly good enough or my art.
• 5:00
  Kaylie Edwards: I would look at a finished piece and think would anyone really buy that?
• 5:04
  Kaylie Edwards: And it took a lot of inner work to remind myself that my creations actually had value.
• 5:12
  Kaylie Edwards: Perfectionism is something I've been stuck on a lot and I still get stuck on it now.
• 5:21
  Kaylie Edwards: If I'm creating a pdf for my audience and it's a workbook, or even if it's a guide and I'm packing a ton of information into it, and then I'm going, oh, actually that I could add that as well, or I feel like it's still lacking something.
• 5:40
  Kaylie Edwards: And then you end up with like this 50 to 100 page document and you're thinking no one's gonna want that because it's too long, it's not enough, it's too much to digest in one sitting.
• 5:52
  Kaylie Edwards: So then I have to go back to the drawing board and and start again, and that is something that I'm probably always gonna have is is that perfectionism?
• 6:05
  Kaylie Edwards: Wanting to tweak, wanting to change things, is it right?
• 6:09
  Kaylie Edwards: And I can spend hours tweaking projects.
• 6:13
  Kaylie Edwards: Sometimes I get stuck days doing it but I have to consciously pull myself back and ask myself can I really publish this as it is now?
• 6:26
  Kaylie Edwards: Is someone still going to find value the way it is?
• 6:30
  Kaylie Edwards: And if that's a yes, then I need to publish it and get it out there, because it's not helping anybody if I have got it on my hard drive and it's not out there, and no one's actually getting that information or even appreciating the art or the beauty that I've created.
• 6:49
  Kaylie Edwards: And it same goes for anybody listening to this who is struggling with perfectionism or doubts whether your art is good enough or your creations are good enough.
• 7:01
  Kaylie Edwards: I'm telling you they probably are, because someone will find some value in it, and there's.
• 7:08
  Kaylie Edwards: You've always got to start off somewhere, yeah, so, dlores, can you share your own experiences with limiting, limiting beliefs?
• 7:19
  Kaylie Edwards: How have you worked to overcome them?
• 7:24
  Delores Naskrent: well, I've had the benefit of being able to work with so many people, so I have now a really broad amount of experience just helping people to get over those limiting beliefs.
• 7:38
  Delores Naskrent: And one of the most important things is something that you've you're you just exemplified, and that's noticing, Noticing and writing down your self-doubting thoughts.
• 7:50
  Delores Naskrent: So you're noticing them.
• 7:52
  Delores Naskrent: This is the most important thing is just acknowledging them.
• 7:55
  Delores Naskrent: So you do that as your first step.
• 7:57
  Delores Naskrent: Next, what you should do and I know you're already doing this, Kayle you you just have to challenge those beliefs.
• 8:05
  Delores Naskrent: You ask yourself if there's any real evidence behind them or are you just assuming?
• 8:10
  Delores Naskrent: So clear clarifying why they aren't true can really shift your perspective.
• 8:16
  Delores Naskrent: Then try out, or try to find stories of others who faced similar fears and succeeded.
• 8:24
  Delores Naskrent: This kind of helps you understand you're not alone and that success is possible.
• 8:30
  Delores Naskrent: And I find that one of the best ways is to be in a group of other people just like yourself, sharing these thoughts, and then just reframe all of those negative thoughts.
• 8:41
  Delores Naskrent: So, instead of saying I'm not good enough, say I am growing and improving every day.
• 8:46
  Delores Naskrent: Just this little bit of a mind shift can really change how you see yourself when negative thoughts come in, be kind to yourself, Remember that mistakes are part of learning.
• 8:59
  Delores Naskrent: And the last thing I think is something that I waited way too long to do myself, and that was to surround myself with positivity.
• 9:12
  Delores Naskrent: So I like connecting with inspiring people, both online or in person.
• 9:17
  Delores Naskrent: I like having a supportive community, and I think that makes a big difference.
• 9:22
  Delores Naskrent: And I think that if you find toxicity in your life or in your relationships of any kind honestly any kind you need to make a break.
• 9:31
  Delores Naskrent: Just stay committed to redefining your beliefs and finding your support systems and then just embrace it.
• 9:41
  Delores Naskrent: You're on a journey.
• 9:42
  Delores Naskrent: You're more powerful than you think and you just got to just keep pushing through.
• 9:46
  Delores Naskrent: You've got this.
• 9:48
  Kaylie Edwards: I know you do yes, I couldn't agree more with you, dlores.
• 9:53
  Kaylie Edwards: Um, I've had my fair share of toxic relationships, uh, in the past, and it was freeing to let go of some of them.
• 10:02
  Kaylie Edwards: Obviously, you can't let go of all of them, unfortunately, because sometimes even your inner circle can can be toxic, and it's just about limiting how much you give them, how much of your time you give them, and I think that a lot of that's where my creativity came in is it was a safe space for me to just express myself and able to just let my mind wander in creativity and see where it goes.
• 10:35
  Kaylie Edwards: And a community you can turn to is one of the best things you can do for yourself and help you through tough times as well, and creative communities are just a amazing, amazing place to go for inspiration and for help and support as well, if you ever needed it.
• 10:55
  Kaylie Edwards: So now let's get into some practical strategies that have worked for us.
• 11:02
  Kaylie Edwards: So setting realistic goals has been transformative for me, but I also recognise that I need to be more consistent with my daily routines.
• 11:10
  Kaylie Edwards: When I manage to stick to my morning routines drinking water, then my morning coffee obviously coffee that I which I never did before getting pregnant, just saying, after having my son, the coffee was a an essential part.
• 11:27
  Kaylie Edwards: After about three weeks in, two and a half hours sleep a night was not enough.
• 11:33
  Kaylie Edwards: So, yeah, that has definitely become a routine for me.
• 11:38
  Kaylie Edwards: Uh, reading affirmations, doing my gratitude journal.
• 11:42
  Kaylie Edwards: I feel more centered when I do them, but it can be a struggle with my son ston wakes up early or I'm trying to catch up on work after he goes to bed.
• 11:52
  Kaylie Edwards: I've learned to set contingency plans, like keeping my journal in a place where I can grab it quickly when I do have time.
• 11:59
  Kaylie Edwards: Another thing that has helped me is keeping a bank of positivity I have received over the years.
• 12:05
  Kaylie Edwards: So this is a folder for positive audience feedback, a folder for screenshots of positive comments I've received, or even comments I've had, even messages I've screenshotted that family have sent me or friends have sent me, business mentors have given positive feedback, and when I feel crappy and down, I will go to these folders and read all those positive things that have been said about me or my business, and this lifts me up and gives me that little boost I need to get myself through and get my head on straight.
• 12:42
  Kaylie Edwards: So, dolores, what strategies do you find effective for maintaining a positive mindset?
• 12:51
  Delores Naskrent: I find this fascinating just talking about this.
• 12:54
  Delores Naskrent: I find this fascinating just talking about this, excuse me, because you and I actually do a lot of the same things.
• 13:02
  Delores Naskrent: I definitely start my day off with that solid routine.
• 13:06
  Delores Naskrent: I drink a huge like a liter of water before I do anything, before.
• 13:10
  Delores Naskrent: Even my coffee and that really I think is the most important thing of all is coffee.
• 13:16
  Delores Naskrent: So I agree with you there.
• 13:18
  Delores Naskrent: We have a new routine right now because we're now doing before and after school care for our grandson, so he's usually there, I'm still in my pajamas and I remember this morning I got up and I basically just had one eye open when I came out of the bedroom and he laughed.
• 13:33
  Delores Naskrent: But that's part of our morning routine now is is actually just spending some time with him before he goes to school and I, you know it gives me actually a really happy feeling just spending that 15 or 20 minutes before his school bus arrives and that's.
• 13:49
  Delores Naskrent: That's a really great way to start the day, personally, I think.
• 13:52
  Delores Naskrent: But I do have a lot of the things that you do kind of tucked away in my back pocket too, I like in one of my calendars that I have, or my planner.
• 14:04
  Delores Naskrent: Every month has little positive phrases that I can read before I start my day, because I always have to look at my day as soon as I get into my studios.
• 14:16
  Delores Naskrent: I have to look at, okay, what is actually happening today, and then I get that little boost of positive energy.
• 14:22
  Delores Naskrent: So I think that's really a really great way for us to start our days.
• 14:27
  Delores Naskrent: So a positive mindset, I think, gives me sort of like armor against negativity for the day, and I try to focus on all the things I'm grateful for and I remind myself of how far I've come.
• 14:41
  Delores Naskrent: So if I, if I'm thinking, oh geez, I didn't get this done or I didn't get that done, I stop and just take a look around and honestly, like you wouldn't know it, but I am a very productive person and all these piles of stuff that are around me represent all of the progress that I've made.
• 15:01
  Delores Naskrent: So I think really, we just have to remember that growth happens when we push through the really tough things and let's just embrace that journey and celebrate every little win, every little win along the way.
• 15:16
  Kaylie Edwards: I think it's important to find what works for you and be flexible when it.
• 15:20
  Kaylie Edwards: Life gets busy, as everyone knows that life transitions through each stage and whether you have kids or you don't have kids, there'll always be something that you're going through that keeps you busy, and if you don't set boundaries and set times for yourself and little routines that you can do, it can get super hard.
• 15:44
  Kaylie Edwards: So the key is to keep coming back to those practices that ground you.
• 15:47
  Kaylie Edwards: Life happens, especially as a parent.
• 15:51
  Kaylie Edwards: What about you, dlores?
• 15:52
  Kaylie Edwards: How do you adapt when things don't go as planned?
• 16:02
  Delores Naskrent: Yeah, I agree, and I know exactly what you're saying.
• 16:04
  Delores Naskrent: Adapting when things go sideways is something that we all have to face at some point or another.
• 16:06
  Delores Naskrent: For me, at this point, I'm not juggling kids, so I can tackle challenges head on with a bit of extra time.
• 16:14
  Delores Naskrent: I spend time.
• 16:15
  Delores Naskrent: I like to do it at the end of the day, making a checklist, and of course I love my sticky notes.
• 16:21
  Delores Naskrent: They're almost like brainstorming buddies, but I like doing it at the end of the day so that when I come in in the morning, I've got you know three or four things that I can look at and go okay, yeah, that's what I was going to do, so then I can get started right away.
• 16:41
  Delores Naskrent: I do put a lot of things in my planner as well, and you know I use Airtable for a lot of my organizational stuff.
• 16:44
  Delores Naskrent: But sometimes what you really need is just sort of like like if it's in the middle of the day and you're feeling that way is just to get that tiny little break, just something.
• 16:53
  Delores Naskrent: And when it's nice weather, when it's summer which right now we're still having a little bit of it I like going outside, just watering my plants or just sitting and soaking up the sun.
• 17:04
  Delores Naskrent: I might take my phone and read my messages, but do it in a really nice spot where there's a lot of sun and the birds are singing and all that kind of stuff, and I think it just helps me to recenter and clear my mind.
• 17:16
  Delores Naskrent: And you know, I totally agree, kell, we have to be flexible, especially when we're working for ourselves.
• 17:24
  Delores Naskrent: So you know, we have to shift our perspective sometimes and it'll open up new paths and solutions.
• 17:31
  Delores Naskrent: I know that if things don't go as planned, I just need to take a break for a second and take a moment to breathe and remember there's always a way to adapt and keep moving forward.
• 17:46
  Kaylie Edwards: Yes, it does the little things like taking breaks and that it's so important.
• 17:52
  Kaylie Edwards: My favorite thing is to have a cup of tea.
• 17:55
  Kaylie Edwards: If this is the day and I'm just not feeling it or I just need that, I just need that little bit of break, then I'll go make myself a cup of tea.
• 18:03
  Kaylie Edwards: Have a few biscuits.
• 18:04
  Kaylie Edwards: Aston, if he's here, he will want to dunk his biscuits in my tea, and sometimes he does that with my coffee as well, which is not obviously not good for a toddler, but that's his little thing as well.
• 18:14
  Kaylie Edwards: I think he was about a year old when he started doing that, because he was always watching me doing it, having my little tea breaks through the day with my little biscuit, and he'd see me dunking it in.
• 18:28
  Kaylie Edwards: And then he started having a biscuit and then one day he just came over and dunked it in my tea and I was like what?
• 18:33
  Kaylie Edwards: are you?
• 18:34
  Kaylie Edwards: doing.
• 18:36
  Kaylie Edwards: It's like just those little things.
• 18:37
  Kaylie Edwards: Even like if I'm not feeling it, sometimes I'll just sit and put on a tv show that I'm going through the moment.
• 18:45
  Kaylie Edwards: It's sons of anarchy.
• 18:46
  Kaylie Edwards: I love it.
• 18:50
  Kaylie Edwards: Just those little things that help boost you.
• 18:54
  Kaylie Edwards: Sometimes you just have to take that little break.
• 18:57
  Kaylie Edwards: I'm taking my son now to playgroup, which started a couple of weeks ago now, and there's a little grassy area where there's a little path that goes through to kind of cut across to the next road where we have to go down, and it's on the edges where you come in and where you go out there's lavender bushes and when it's not raining, that it's just that little waft of smell I get from the lavender bush when I go past it.
• 19:23
  Kaylie Edwards: Just it's like I really like that just gives you that little bit of a boost.
• 19:27
  Kaylie Edwards: I don't it's not much, but it's just that little boost.
• 19:30
  Kaylie Edwards: It's it's finding the joy in the little things.
• 19:35
  Kaylie Edwards: Yeah, that's what this podcast is all about finding the joy in the little things that you can, that you have around you.
• 19:40
  Kaylie Edwards: And your journey will be full of wonder and yes, ups and downs, but it's finding those little little things that you can do, and a community also plays a vital role in maintaining a healthy mindset.
• 19:53
  Kaylie Edwards: I've been part of several groups that uplift and inspire me, like my local women in business group I attend in my hometown, which started back in Jan, february time this year.
• 20:06
  Kaylie Edwards: The lady who hosts it, mma, she's amazing.
• 20:11
  Kaylie Edwards: I love her to bits.
• 20:12
  Kaylie Edwards: I only started speaking to her in ecember last year and we both in this other group for female entrepreneurs in our local area and it just wasn't putting it for us.
• 20:24
  Kaylie Edwards: It just didn't feel suitable for our lifestyles at the time.
• 20:29
  Kaylie Edwards: We're both small business um entrepreneurs.
• 20:33
  Kaylie Edwards: She has her own daughter, I have my son.
• 20:35
  Kaylie Edwards: She also had a job as well that she was working on and there just wasn't a group locally to us that we felt actually suited us, so I encouraged her to set up her own.
• 20:47
  Kaylie Edwards: So I have a hand in that.
• 20:51
  Kaylie Edwards: You might not be so grateful these days because it's quite a lot of work, but it's been amazing for our local community of women in business and it's just so helpful.
• 21:02
  Kaylie Edwards: And, yes, they're not all creatives but some of them are and I'm meeting and making new connections with people all the time and I've made some great friends by going, and I absolutely encourage anyone listening to find a community, whether that's online or offline.
• 21:19
  Kaylie Edwards: There's a couple of other communities I'm in obviously Dori's student community I'm in and that's fabulous.
• 21:25
  Kaylie Edwards: I love seeing all the inspiration on there with student work and it's like everybody's so helpful and lovely.
• 21:33
  Kaylie Edwards: And another community I'm in is the FEA, which is Carrie Green, who's the founder, is a significant influence since I read her book back in 2018 her book she Means Business.
• 21:49
  Kaylie Edwards: I found it in a London WH Smith shop in the train station there when I went to see Harry Potter Studios for my birthday back in 2018.
• 22:00
  Kaylie Edwards: And ever since reading that book, my life changed.
• 22:04
  Kaylie Edwards: That's what I'm going to say, because that's how my entrepreneurship journey started.
• 22:09
  Kaylie Edwards: It started not long after that, gathering all my supplies for my little business.
• 22:13
  Kaylie Edwards: I was going to do so.
• 22:16
  Kaylie Edwards: These connections have provided me with so much encouragement on tough days.
• 22:20
  Kaylie Edwards: I recall a moment when I felt completely overwhelmed, and just chatting with some fellow women in business and some other creatives helped me regain my perspective, and just speaking to Dlores about my challenges on a day when I'm stressing a bit also helped me.
• 22:37
  Kaylie Edwards: Dolores, how has your community supported you in your journey?
• 22:44
  Delores Naskrent: You know I really love this question about community support.
• 22:47
  Delores Naskrent: I was recently chatting with some friends in one of my groups about how much our communities mean to us and for me, being part of a coaching program in a group has been a real game changer.
• 23:00
  Delores Naskrent: We all face similar challenges.
• 23:03
  Delores Naskrent: We're all in different kinds of businesses, so it's interesting.
• 23:06
  Delores Naskrent: It's's not necessarily all artists, but we all face similar challenges in business and just hearing someone share their struggles can be so comforting and it reminds me that I'm not doing that alone.
• 23:20
  Delores Naskrent: You know that there's there are other people that are doing the same thing as I am, and the feedback and encouragement we give each other lifts us all up.
• 23:29
  Delores Naskrent: It's amazing how a little support from others can help you keep going, no matter what you're facing, and just knowing that there's somebody there that you could ask a question if you needed help.
• 23:40
  Delores Naskrent: So I really believe that community is an incredible source of strength, definitely for me, and I appreciate every bit of it.
• 23:50
  Delores Naskrent: I'm so thankful.
• 23:52
  Kaylie Edwards: Thank you, dlores.
• 23:53
  Kaylie Edwards: That's what makes our partnership so great as well.
• 23:56
  Kaylie Edwards: We both value the community and connection side.
• 23:59
  Kaylie Edwards: Finding supportive communities is invaluable.
• 24:02
  Kaylie Edwards: If you can't find one, consider building one.
• 24:05
  Kaylie Edwards: It can make a world of difference for you.
• 24:17
  Kaylie Edwards: Finally, let's talk about embracing failure.
• 24:18
  Kaylie Edwards: I remember when I let my etsy shop listings expire while I focused on another avenue for quick income after my maternity ended came around far too quick.
• 24:25
  Kaylie Edwards: Initially it felt like a massive failure.
• 24:28
  Kaylie Edwards: I had worked hard, really hard, to set up that shop with 135 listings of digital products and my designs on print-on-demand products, and seeing it slip away was so disheartening.
• 24:46
  Kaylie Edwards: But I knew at the time my focus needed to shift and I can always come back to it later when I can invest more time to it.
• 24:55
  Kaylie Edwards: It's a reminder that sometimes we have to let go of one thing and make space for something greater.
• 25:04
  Kaylie Edwards: Not long after this, I met Dlores.
• 25:06
  Kaylie Edwards: Without that pivot we may never have met.
• 25:10
  Kaylie Edwards: I am truly grateful to have found dolores and our friendship.
• 25:14
  Kaylie Edwards: It just blossoms every time and, yes, we've had challenges.
• 25:22
  Kaylie Edwards: Yes, it's been stressful sometimes, but I've just found so much joy in the connection and the ideas we bounce off each other and, yes, sometimes we both multi-passionate entrepreneurs can overflow with ideas, and sometimes we need to rein each other in.
• 25:39
  Kaylie Edwards: Yeah.
• 25:40
  Kaylie Edwards: So, dolores, can you share a time when you faced a setback and how it influenced your journey?
• 25:53
  Delores Naskrent: Well, thanks for sharing that.
• 25:54
  Delores Naskrent: First of all, ayleigh, and I can completely relate to your experience.
• 25:56
  Delores Naskrent: Once I had I just this one always sticks in my mind.
• 25:59
  Delores Naskrent: But I had a significant setback in my career when a project I was really passionate about didn't go as planned and really the problem was that it was just not sustainable in a way that I could make money with while I was working full-time, you know.
• 26:16
  Delores Naskrent: So I really I really get that whole thing of balancing a job and your passion and you know just all the different things that you have to do in life and and at first, just like you, it felt like a real failure and I was really hard on myself.
• 26:33
  Delores Naskrent: You know, when you set out to do something, you have such high hopes for it.
• 26:37
  Delores Naskrent: I know for myself, when it didn't happen it really felt like a punch in the gut.
• 26:43
  Delores Naskrent: But over time I did realize it was just part of my journey and looking back now I can't even think of why I thought it was such a big deal.
• 26:53
  Delores Naskrent: I was eventually actually quite thankful that I had not continued on that particular project and I started to view these moments, because this is not the first time it's happened.
• 27:04
  Delores Naskrent: So I started to view these moments not as failures, but more like experiments and really great learning opportunities to help me grow.
• 27:14
  Delores Naskrent: I think that's what's important.
• 27:15
  Delores Naskrent: I really agree with you there, kayle.
• 27:18
  Delores Naskrent: It's important that we adapt when things go wrong, and that particular setback pushed me to try new things, just like it did with you, and to explore different paths.
• 27:29
  Delores Naskrent: I might never have considered otherwise.
• 27:32
  Delores Naskrent: So, to anyone listening, I encourage you to embrace those setbacks.
• 27:37
  Delores Naskrent: They're not the end of the road, not even close.
• 27:41
  Delores Naskrent: They're just a little detour that can lead you to something even better.
• 27:45
  Delores Naskrent: And just always remember it's part of the journey.
• 27:50
  Kaylie Edwards: Yes, I totally agree with that.
• 27:53
  Kaylie Edwards: I've had to pivot my business a few times over the years, obviously, first with my candle business, and then we had COVID, and then my son came along and then I had to really think, well, product business isn't going to work, I'm going to have to think about something else.
• 28:09
  Kaylie Edwards: And then my son came along, and then I had to really think, well, product business isn't going to work, I'm going to have to think about something else.
• 28:13
  Kaylie Edwards: That's when I went into the Etsy shop and then obviously that didn't pan out either, which is fine, because then I had to pivot again.
• 28:20
  Kaylie Edwards: And that's what helps, having resilience and determination, because I knew I wasn't going back to a job that was not on the cards for me.
• 28:31
  Kaylie Edwards: That's not how I wanted to live my life.
• 28:33
  Kaylie Edwards: I'd been made redundant a few times in my life from different jobs and that's scary, not having that control over your financial life yeah and that's why pivoting is important.
• 28:47
  Kaylie Edwards: You know, don't stay stagnant, and that's a great part of being creative is the innovation you know.
• 28:55
  Kaylie Edwards: Make all the changes should be embraced, because eventually you will find something that you hit, hit the nail on the head with and you can move forward with it.
• 29:04
  Kaylie Edwards: The key takeaway here is that failure isn't the end.
• 29:08
  Kaylie Edwards: It's often a stepping stone to greater success and a pursuit of your dreams.
• 29:25
  Kaylie Edwards: So, to wrap up, building a sustainable creative business requires a strong mindset, a willingness to learn from failure and to pivot, and the support of a community.
• 29:31
  Delores Naskrent: Thanks so much for joining us today on the Creative Juggle Joy podcast.
• 29:33
  Kaylie Edwards: If you found this episode helpful, we'd love it if you'd leave a review or share it with a friend who might need some encouragement on their creative journey.
• 29:41
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• 29:44
  Kaylie Edwards: Until next time.
• 29:46
  Kaylie Edwards: Keep creating, keep juggling and, most importantly, keep finding joy in the process.
• 29:52
  Kaylie Edwards: Remember there's joy in the journey, even on the craziest days.