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Patriots Catch-22 9/2: 53-Man Roster Breakdown, Depth Talk, 2026 Captains · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots catch 22 podcasts with Evan Lazar
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  Speaker 1: and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 3: And like Mike Rabel said, the quarterback's the best athlete
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  Speaker 3: on the field. He's the quarterback on the football team.
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  Speaker 3: He's the shortstop on the baseball team. I think Rabel
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  Speaker 3: said he's the shooting guard on the basketball team, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like he's And that's Drake May. Drake May was a
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  Speaker 3: really good basketball player, too.
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  Speaker 2: These guys are.
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  Speaker 3: Really athletic people, quarterbacks. And so I'm sure Drake May
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  Speaker 3: can still punch. I'm sure he can still bring that out.
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  Speaker 3: He obviously did it at North Carolina. So I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: he did it in practice at North Carolina. They definitely
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  Speaker 3: didn't ask him to do that cold.
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  Speaker 4: Hello everybody uh welcome in it's evan lazar it's alex
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  Speaker 4: bar it's a space behind the glass i'm thrown off
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  Speaker 4: by this setup i'm not we are sitting down today
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  Speaker 4: i i don't know what it is it's like sit
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  Speaker 4: down every week it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Total mental block it's nobody's fault but mine i'm just.
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  Speaker 2: No you know what it's like we're new phase of
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  Speaker 2: the calendar we're starting the season i just.
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  Speaker 3: I feel one of these i feel relaxed but like
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  Speaker 3: too relaxed you know like I'm used to this like
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  Speaker 3: a couple years ago. We're just a couple guys talking.
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  Speaker 2: Talking ball.
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  Speaker 3: That's all it is.
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  Speaker 2: You say it.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's a bad thing. It's not a bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know. The desk has a, it's
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  Speaker 3: like a more formal thing.
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  Speaker 2: I remember a couple years ago, the desk was like
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  Speaker 2: the in-season set and the chairs were the off-season set,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought that made sense.
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  Speaker 3: So when we first got this set up, and I
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  Speaker 3: know no one cares about this.
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  Speaker 2: No, Evan, you know how people are with these shows.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't fault them. People are very particular about
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  Speaker 2: their shows. There are going to be some people, understandably,
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  Speaker 2: who are thrown that we're sitting in these shows.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thrown by it. So when we first started, the
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  Speaker 3: idea was that P.U., because it is a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more laid back and not as jargony as our show,
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  Speaker 3: was going to be in this set up. And then
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  Speaker 3: catch 22 is going to be in the desk setup
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  Speaker 3: because it's a little bit more serious, you know, but
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  Speaker 3: it just became a hassle to change over the sets.
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  Speaker 3: All the time. We kept on going back and forth
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  Speaker 3: and back and forth. And it just it was too much.
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  Speaker 3: So we stopped doing that. And then we all kind
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  Speaker 3: of just agreed that we like the desk because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we like to put our notes on the desk and,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like our prep for the show and all
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  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. So it's easier to have something
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  Speaker 3: a desk in front of you in order to do that.
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  Speaker 3: So we got kind of locked into the desk. for
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  Speaker 3: a while but uh now pu on tv which you
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  Speaker 3: just found out existed uh uses this setup and so
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  Speaker 3: does the madden sim both pieces of content that are
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  Speaker 3: in season content that you guys can all check out
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  Speaker 3: uh everywhere i think patreons.com youtube so that's why we're
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  Speaker 3: in this setup today i think but anyways uh that
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  Speaker 3: that's a little inside baseball for you about our sets
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  Speaker 3: i know very interesting stuff i'd It's riveting.
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  Speaker 2: I think you underestimate how much people are interested in that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. All right. Well, cool. I'm glad you're interested in that.
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  Speaker 3: But basically, today's show, the rundown, today's show. We are
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  Speaker 3: going to talk about the initial rosters the first time
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  Speaker 3: that we've been on this show. You've been on 17
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  Speaker 3: shows since the initial roster came out.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably a little high.
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  Speaker 3: I went on yesterday, but we are going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about the initial roster. We're going to go position by position,
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  Speaker 3: get into the details, talk a little bit about the
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  Speaker 3: practice squad. But I did want to open with captains
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  Speaker 3: because we got that news yesterday. So that's a more prevalent,
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  Speaker 3: you know, more recent news. Uh, and then the second
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  Speaker 3: hour we'll open up calls and emails, probably get to
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  Speaker 3: Christian Gonzalez a little bit, you know, things like that. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: just starting with captain Zoe, I'll just list them off.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Drake may Hunter Henry, Morgan, Moses, Roberts, Blaine,
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  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones, and Kevin Bayard. There you go. First year.
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  Speaker 3: on the team, first year captain for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Bayard has been a captain since I believe 2019,
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  Speaker 2: wherever he's been.
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  Speaker 3: It became very obvious to me that Kevin Bayard was
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  Speaker 3: going to be at least captain material. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't vote, so I didn't know if he would be
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  Speaker 3: a captain, but at least captain material when the spring
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  Speaker 3: fortune Foxborough came out and he was the one that
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  Speaker 3: was already breaking down the huddle. I was like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's just a natural leader.
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  Speaker 2: He's a Ravel's guy.
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  Speaker 3: Stepping right in. Morgan Moses, unk of the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: We thought he was going to be captain last year. Easily. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: he's never been a captain in his career. He did
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  Speaker 2: game day captain a couple times last year.
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  Speaker 3: He's never been a captain in his career.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we looked this up yesterday. Best I could find.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: At 35 years old and the type of guy that
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  Speaker 3: he is, you would think he would be.
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  Speaker 2: Never officially named one, I should say. So he might
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  Speaker 2: have been a game day captain. Maybe there are some
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  Speaker 2: teams that... Didn't give out to see where he was. Well, no,
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  Speaker 2: because they still announce it, even if they don't wear
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  Speaker 2: it on the jersey. So, no, best I could find.
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  Speaker 2: I looked for like 10 million. Ethan Hurwitz, we're looking
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  Speaker 2: it up. Never a season-long captain, I should say.
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  Speaker 3: He's the leader of that group. No doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: They all look to him. He's like Yoda. He's like
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  Speaker 3: a wise owl, you know?
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  Speaker 2: A little bigger than Yoda.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they go to him and all the young guys
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  Speaker 3: kind of flock to him. He's really the one that's...
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  Speaker 3: behind a lot of the off the field you know
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  Speaker 3: the team the offensive line dinners like all that kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff so that one was obvious hunter henry's just
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  Speaker 3: been a captain a couple years now i think it
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  Speaker 3: like three out of the last four i want to say.
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  Speaker 2: Uh i think three in a row he wasn't initially
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  Speaker 2: named a captain two years ago that was the year
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  Speaker 2: that they lost all their captains and he got it
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  Speaker 2: back mid-season.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, consummate pro that one makes sense. And then of
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  Speaker 3: course the quarterback, uh, I don't really have much, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like I have any strong takes about the captains.
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  Speaker 3: It's not something that I think is that important in
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  Speaker 3: terms of, uh, you know, I know there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of kind of, why isn't Gonzalez a captain? Why isn't
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  Speaker 3: AJ Brown a captain? Um, The one thing that I
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  Speaker 3: would say about Gonzalez, and we've talked about this in
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  Speaker 3: the past with him, he's clearly, if he's not the
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  Speaker 3: best player on the team, Drake may is, and he's
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  Speaker 3: the second best player on the team. So he's one
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  Speaker 3: of their best players. But, For as great as he is,
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  Speaker 3: and there's nothing wrong with it, he's a quiet guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's not a rah-rah type of leader. Now, could he
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  Speaker 3: have been a lead by example, best player, that sort
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  Speaker 3: of thing? Absolutely. But I'm not overly surprised that he's
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  Speaker 3: not someone that people look at as a traditional captain,
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  Speaker 3: just with his personality and the way that he is.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that that has something to do with,
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  Speaker 3: he's a little bit more vocal now. Like he's starting
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  Speaker 3: to find his voice. I think now that he's more
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  Speaker 3: confident in his footings in the league is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more secure, but not somebody that I would necessarily
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  Speaker 3: think of as like your traditional captain because of the personality.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think that this has anything I'm just guessing,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think this has anything to do with
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  Speaker 3: the contract or anything like that. I do believe Mike Rabel,
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  Speaker 3: when he says the players vote on these captains and it's,
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  Speaker 3: It's decided by the players. I just think that this
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  Speaker 3: was some of these guys that, too, that are maybe
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  Speaker 3: leadership material. some of them were hurt during training camp.
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  Speaker 2: So that's some of it too. We've seen guys not
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  Speaker 2: be captains after missing time.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like Harold Landry is not a captain because he hasn't
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  Speaker 3: practiced at all.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 3: He was a captain last year. So those, you know, schooler.
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  Speaker 3: So those types of things I think may have an
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  Speaker 3: impact as well. I would say the same thing. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. AJ Brown. I don't know Christian Gonzalez either,
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  Speaker 3: but I haven't been around AJ Brown as much as
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  Speaker 3: we have with Gonzalez, obviously. But another guy that I
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  Speaker 3: think is, you know, for a, alpha number one receiver,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a little quieter than you would, would think. And
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  Speaker 3: it's his first year on the team and all those
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  Speaker 3: types of things. Did you have anything, you know, really?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if Rabel talks about it and I actually think
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  Speaker 2: there's something to it that you don't need to be
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  Speaker 2: a captain to be a leader, arguably the biggest leader
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  Speaker 2: on this team last year was Stefan Diggs. Not a captain.
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  Speaker 3: Not arguably. I think he probably was.
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  Speaker 2: So definitely on offense. I don't know if there's like
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  Speaker 2: a defensive guy that stands out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he probably was in maybe Spillane on defense.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But I think year two for Drake May, he probably
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  Speaker 3: wasn't quite ready to step into that.
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  Speaker 2: Really year one is like the true starter. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they'll still be getting leadership. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: those other guys voices won't be won't be relevant.
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  Speaker 5: In the room.
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  Speaker 2: Is it just me or is the camera shot closer?
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  Speaker 2: I guess it is closer. We are closer.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm rattled by the chairs.
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  Speaker 3: I told you. It's in my head.
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  Speaker 2: People who are just listening to this have no clue
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  Speaker 2: what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: So those are your captains. If you have takes on that,
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  Speaker 3: you can call and email in, whatever. I don't ever
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  Speaker 3: get too worked up either way about captains. It's not
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  Speaker 3: really that important to me, but it was newsworthy. So
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  Speaker 3: there you go. I wanted to really focus, though, here
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  Speaker 3: in the first hour on the roster and what happened
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  Speaker 3: over the last couple days. Some of the most.
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  Speaker 3: Like, hefty movement of a roster, especially the back of
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  Speaker 3: the roster that I can remember in recent years, especially
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: for a team that plans on contending. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It was three guys, right? Or no, it was six, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they... Reid, Kiner. They've claimed.
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  Speaker 2: Reid, Kiner, Latu, Moussao....
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  Speaker 3: Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Hunter.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about a pretty significant.
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  Speaker 3: Six claims for a team that is planning on making
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs and contending for a Super Bowl is a lot.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot. And, you know, we'll get to all that.
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  Speaker 3: I think the biggest, you know, big picture takeaway before
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: we get into the position by position rundown that I had,
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  Speaker 3: my biggest big picture takeaway is that I understand why
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  Speaker 3: there's criticism of the recent drafting, especially the 2024 draft
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  Speaker 3: as it pertains to depth. That's absolutely a factor. Elliot Wolfe,
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  Speaker 3: you know, said as much the other day when he
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  Speaker 3: spoke before cut down day that that's absolutely a factor.
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  Speaker 3: the 24 draft, especially it's Drake may. And now nobody
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  Speaker 3: else on the roster. Marcellus dial gets claimed by the dolphins.
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  Speaker 3: He is now gone. Uh, they struck out on every
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  Speaker 3: pick besides Drake may. Now that's a good pick to hit.
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: It's a good pick to hit, but they struck out
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  Speaker 3: on every other pick besides Drake may the 24 draft,
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  Speaker 3: but my bigger takeaway, I would say then the draft
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  Speaker 3: pick whiffs in the 24 draft is actually the load
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  Speaker 3: of mid tier free agency draft. and how they handled
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  Speaker 3: that this last offseason. Last year, in Grable's first year
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: as the head coach, they got a ton of really
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: key contributions from... low to mid-level free agent signings, Kairos Tonga,
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  Speaker 3: Jack Gibbons, Caleb on chase on, uh, it was a trade,
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: but whatever Garrett Bradbury, right. Uh, or that might've, he
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: might've been released, right? I don't know. Bradbury is a
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  Speaker 3: trade Garrett Bradbury.
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  Speaker 2: He make the bears. I know there was some question about,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good question. Uh, Garrett Bradbury, Matt Collins, like
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  Speaker 3: players like that, that they brought in that were not, uh,
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  Speaker 3: breaking the bank. They're not huge free agent signings, but
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  Speaker 3: when they had injuries to Robert Spillane, Jack Gibbons stepped
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  Speaker 3: up and played commensurate football at off ball linebacker. Kairos
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  Speaker 3: Tonga had a big role as a nose tackle as
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  Speaker 3: a run stuffer on this team. Uh, Caleb on Jason
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  Speaker 3: ended up being a starter and being a really productive
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  Speaker 3: player for them, especially down the stretch in the playoffs
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  Speaker 3: this year, those guys were James Hudson, Mike Brown, Kendall Vildor,
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  Speaker 3: players of that ilk that are either on the practice
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  Speaker 3: squad now but didn't make the 53-man roster. And I
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: look at a lot of those sort of low-level, mid-level
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  Speaker 3: free agent signings as really good value to build depth
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  Speaker 3: on your roster, especially experienced depth. And I think if
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  Speaker 3: you had to look at it, they kind of whiffed
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  Speaker 3: so far on that class. And it's not the AJ
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  Speaker 3: Browns and it's not the Romeo Dobbs is in the
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: Draymond Jones is in the big signings. It's oftentimes those
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  Speaker 3: signings that, you know, is Belichick's thing, the middle class, right?
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  Speaker 3: Can you fill that out? So as much as I,
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  Speaker 3: I think harping on the drafting is fair. I also
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  Speaker 3: think that we have to, if you're looking for the
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  Speaker 3: reason why they don't have great depth right now, and
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: they did put in six waiver claims over the last
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  Speaker 3: couple of days, and they're churning the back of the
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  Speaker 3: roster to find depth. I think that the Jack Gibbonses
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  Speaker 3: and the Kyrus Tongas of the world are just as
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  Speaker 3: important as the draft picks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, those were both monumentally important players last year,
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  Speaker 2: and we talked, I think the phrase I used was,
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  Speaker 2: who is this year's Jack Gibbons? Yeah. When talking about
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: the linebacker room, and ultimately... near those guys we thought
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  Speaker 2: Britt or Moomer on the team. Moomer's not even back
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  Speaker 2: on the practice squad.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, just a couple more. Sorry. KJ Britt is
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  Speaker 3: another one that was kind of brought in as a
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  Speaker 3: one-for-one for Jack Gibbons. Now, he's on the practice squad,
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  Speaker 3: but we're talking about him as a fringe roster player.
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  Speaker 3: Jack Gibbons was not a fringe roster player. He was
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  Speaker 3: on the team. Julian Hill gets hurt. You can't do
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  Speaker 3: anything about that. But that guy didn't, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was Austin Hooper last year who was healthy and produced
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  Speaker 3: and had a role in all those types of things.
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  Speaker 3: So I wrote down Hill, James Hudson, Vildor, Mike Brown,
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  Speaker 3: KJ Britt, those five guys for the five guys that
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  Speaker 3: they were supposedly replacing.
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  Speaker 2: I've got another way to do it too. Let's look
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: at where the claims or the moves came from. Running
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  Speaker 2: back might be the one position that they just Straight
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  Speaker 2: up didn't address, and they did some late draft picks.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're banking on Larrison, whatever. Okay. They keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't add a wide receiver. Tight end.
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  Speaker 3: Latu.
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  Speaker 2: Julian Hill gets hurt. Yes. Tackle. Walter Rouse. That ties
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  Speaker 2: into James Hudson and trying to add him. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: add anybody on the edge, which is a little surprising,
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  Speaker 2: but they didn't add it. They didn't waiver claim edge. Linebacker. Britt,
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  Speaker 2: like you said.
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  Speaker 3: Multiple waiver claims at linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Safety. Mike Brown.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Reed.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of these additions kind of line up
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  Speaker 2: with spots where they added players that we thought were
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  Speaker 2: going to be depth guys. The one exception is probably
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  Speaker 2: running back, which is... I think you can add a
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  Speaker 2: third running back with a seventh-round pick at roster cuts.
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  Speaker 2: I got no problem with that. And the one surprising
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  Speaker 2: spot they didn't add is Edge, which is a spot
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  Speaker 2: I think they under-addressed in the spring.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just look at that as... It's two
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  Speaker 3: different things in the same thing. The draft picks you're
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  Speaker 3: drafting to develop, not just depth, but you're hoping that
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  Speaker 3: there's upside with those young players. The free agent signings
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  Speaker 3: you're adding just to fill a role immediately on the
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: roster for one to two years. These level of free agents.
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  Speaker 3: And this is one thing that I thought... Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 3: did better than anybody was identifying those mid tier free
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  Speaker 3: agents that they could bring in and really kind of
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  Speaker 3: fill out the roster. And that's why a lot of
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: those years, you know, with Brady, they didn't have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of depth concerns was because they had a really
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  Speaker 3: strong middle class of the roster.
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  Speaker 2: This roster, this is the opposite of a Belichick roster.
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  Speaker 3: This roster has become very top heavy.
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  Speaker 2: The, the, we used to say like, all right, Brady aside,
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  Speaker 2: the top, 10 guys on the Patriots roster, maybe weren't
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  Speaker 2: the level of some of the other contenders on any
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: given year.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: But that like 15 to 30 group was so much
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: better than everybody else's 15 to 30, that that was
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: going to be the difference. That's how he's talked about
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the Belichick teams this year. I'll even say the Patriots
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: one to 20. Yeah. Might be, is one of the
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: best in football. The Rams are short of the Rams.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: The Rams are, might be the best team I've ever
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: seen assembled in my time covering the league, which is
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: not that long, but still, um, The Patriots won through
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: 20s right up there with anybody but the Rams. 25 on? Yeah.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: It's pretty thin. So it's kind of the opposite of
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: what you say about Belichick.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: You feel pretty good about their starting 11 on both sides.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: There's some positions I could feel better about, like Edge,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: that we'll get to.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Edge is really the only spot, starter-wise, that, I mean,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: they're not amazing in every spot, but Edge is the
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: only spot that I look at and say, like, I
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: wish they had more.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: They have starting caliber players everywhere. Even edge. They just,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I wish that those starting caliber players might be a
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: little bit better.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: One starting caliber player that I, I'm not sure about ponder. Okay.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're counting. I'm not counting Landry. No.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Cause he's her.
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not counting.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Ponder could be, he's an unknown everywhere else. I'm like,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, I got one of the best cornerback groups
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: in the league. One of the best safety groups in
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: the league. One of the best wide receiver rooms, you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry tight ends, maybe a little more. We'll see
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: beyond Hunter Henry, but Hunter Henry, I believe in, I
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: think the offensive line is going to be solid.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Running back room's good. Obviously, quarterback, check the box. Like,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: everywhere but edge, I honestly feel good about.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: It feels to me like, you know, get into the
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: nitty gritty. The make or break of the season is
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: going to come down to how.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Well, they're at depth players play when those inevitable injuries come, right?
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: They are very, I know everybody says this, but they,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: it's true. They were very lucky with injuries last year.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: They just were. And if they aren't as lucky or
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: they have a different outcome this year, they're going to
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: have to play more of these depth guys that we
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: have question marks about. And we'll see how that goes.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: The other big picture sort of, you know, ceiling thing
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: of the roster is clearly that edge rusher group that
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: that edge rusher group to me for a team that
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: is hoping again to plan on contending for a super
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: bowl that is not necessarily a super bowl caliber edge
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: group you know most of the time when you talk
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: about super bowl rosters you're deep at pass rush.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Right that when we talk about concerns i've said this
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: before but like The last year, as we talked about concern,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: that was like any given Sunday this could bite them.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Now we're talking mostly the depth concerns. I mean, these
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: are all on the margins. They're a good football team.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I think what's funny is because the depth has become
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: such a headline the last few weeks, I'm not saying
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't be. It's been a problem. But, like, when's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the last time we talked about Drake Mayweather? When's the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: last time we talked about Milton Williams? When's the last
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: time we talked about AJ?
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Well, they also didn't play in the preseason.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that's part of it, too. But, like, I'm looking
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: forward to getting– like, they still have these guys at
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the top. You know what I mean? So I'm excited
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: for that. But– Like, a lot of these problems we
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: talk about, they're champagne problems.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: In terms of, you know, oh, who's their third boundary corner?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Who's their third running back? Who's their blocking tight end?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And it matters if you want to win a Super Bowl.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: The on-the-margin stuff matters, but it's on-the-margin stuff. Edge is
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the one thing that's not an on-the-margin thing. Edge is
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the one thing that week in and week out could
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: be a problem for them.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's get into the breakdown here. So I'll list
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: out the names, and then I have a facilitation question
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: at each position.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So I started with Felger mass later, so I should
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: be prepared to be facilitated.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Start with, uh, with quarterback here. I've done this so
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: many times at this point, I think I could probably
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: do this off the top of my head, which is,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a good thing or a
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: bad thing. Uh, Drake made Tommy DeVito, Baron Morton.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I don't really give your phone. I want to see
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: if you can do off top of your head.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: No, I got, I got any of my questions in
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: my rundown.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Don't can I see if I can do it off
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the top of my head?
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Uh, sure. If you really want to. Uh, Baron Morton,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I would say is really the only mild surprise. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: don't really have much else to add about the arrest
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: of DeVito in May. I, did think that he showed
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: enough to make it as the third quarterback, uh, the
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: emergency quarterback thing. You do need to be on the
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: roster to be the emergency quarterback. I looked this up though.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: The rule came back in 2023. Nobody has ever used it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: It's never come into play. Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I think the concept of having it though is too valuable.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It's a free game day roster spot in theory, but
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: you know, it's not a free 53.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's not a free, but you have teams even keeping
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: four quarterbacks.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: You do. I think this is becoming three is that
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: now the norm and four is becoming the overkill.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It's just reflective around the league of the value of
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: that position. You know, it's, I liken it to, uh, um, yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: you live in an apartment. Like, do you have those
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: like sprinklers in your apartment?
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, like for fires?
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: No, we don't have them in the apartment.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, but like hypothetically you have those in a building, right?
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: We have them in the hallways, but not in the.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You ever use them? No. Are they still valuable?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: So it's insurance.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: That's what Belichick used to say. It's just like buying insurance.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: You know, you don't, you hope you don't need to
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: use the policy, but when you need it and you
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: have it, that makes it all the better.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I think with Maureen, I thought he showed enough potential
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: as a pocket passer, you know, McDaniel style, quick game,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: get the ball out first and second level. When he
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: tried to play make is when it got dicey in
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: the preseason, when he was extending drop backs outside the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: pocket and, when he was trying to push the ball
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: down the field. That was when the turnover-worthy plays started
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: to creep up on him, especially in that Cleveland game.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Two of those big turnover-worthy plays in Cleveland were him
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: trying to extend the play and.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Make something happen. I do not think those interceptions were
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: his worst plays. He had worse plays.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know. The one where he went out to
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: his left and got hit while he was there.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: The line gave him no shot on that play.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: That was a pretty bad one.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: That one's got to be third row.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I think it makes sense. I think it makes sense.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: He does. I heard this comp before the draft and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it as much. Maybe I'm seeing a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: little more now.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: But there's nothing wrong with that as your third quarterback
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: is fine. If he, if he's bought into that, right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I think Baron Morton is.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: And if you develop Baron Morton to behind the scenes
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: and then the next year in the spring and in
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: the summer, Can he eventually be Drake Mays' primary backup?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Because he replaced Tommy DeVito, yeah. That's the plan.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: On a rookie contract and all that stuff for a
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: couple of years. I think that that's the hope with him,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: and I think it's worth keeping him on the roster
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: for that. Running back, you want to... What do you got?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Running back, we have Ramondre Stevenson, Travion Henderson, Corey Kiner,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and then Hassan Haskins and Lane Larrison on the practice squad.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Correct. So... I guess, you know, we haven't been on
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: the show since they added Kiner. So that that was
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: where my thought immediately went to is just our thoughts
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: on on Corey Kiner. I also I feel for Lynn Larson.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: All the reporting indicates it sounds like he was the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: 54th guy.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of cut down day people
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: view it as like this fun thing where it's like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're coming down the Ross and there's
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of transactions and there's news and. As somebody
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: who follows it, I can see how it's entertaining. It's
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: not fun for the guys in the room. I just
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: would remind people of that. He might have been told
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: he was making the team.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: He might have been told. I think it was down
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to the wire as close as 545 with the deadline
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: at 6. They made the move for Rouse. He was
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the 54th guy. And it just... It just happens. It's
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the business.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It happens. I wonder why, and they couldn't have done
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: it with both of them, but I wonder why Behringer
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: or Jacobs wasn't placed on IR on cut-down day. Yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: so my thought, because I brought that up yesterday. And
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: then they would have kept four running backs, which I
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: said was a possibility.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: The only reason why I could see them not wanting
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: to do that is that in order to do it
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: on cut-down day, you have to designate him to return. Whereas...
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: they don't designate the player to return on in-season IR.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: So... But just because you designated him to return doesn't
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: mean he has to return.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: No, but there's more flexibility in terms of burning the
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: designated to return spots.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But they didn't end up using the other spot.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But I think that if you designate the player to
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: return on cut down day, it might count towards one
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: of your eight.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, does it?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: That's weird. So that's, I think, maybe where the flexibility
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: comes in. I have to look into that detail of it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe Miguel can help me out on that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: But that's Pat's cap for... I DM him with these
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: minutiae questions at the CBA, but they, I think that
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: that might be in play here in terms of flexibility.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: So yeah, even though Berenger and Jacobs are eligible to return,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: you don't need to designate them until they start practicing again.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: So you have eight of those in season. That's the
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: only thought that I had was they, it was in
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: terms of just, you know, that sort of detail.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So there are, you're, what you're saying is they're already
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: at seven by placing Marcus Bryant.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: That might be the case. I don't know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: That would make sense.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: But, At least Behringer is a guy that should be
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: coming back.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: They said it wasn't a major injury. So, but yeah,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: it's tough for Larrison. I still think we see him elevated.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I still think we maybe see him added to the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: active roster at some point. He looked like he was
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: going to be one of their top kick returners. If
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I had to guess right now, especially with Travion Henderson
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: not practicing yesterday, and we'll see, we still got a week,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: but happy Sunday, by the way. I think that Larrison
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and wish now ski are probably your two practice squad
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: elevations for the opener.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: But you know, I think kinder it's been clear. We
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: talked about this, that that third back, they want the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: ground and pound bowling ball body blow. And that's what
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: kinder is not as big as some of those other guys,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: as big as a guy like Haskins. And he, he
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: flashed some in the preseason. So maybe they feel like
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: this is buying low on a guy. He might have
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: more upside than Haskins. I think Haskins is a more
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: proven player for sure. So that's probably where it is. And,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You know, Larrison's skill set more mirrors Henderson. So that
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: just might be. Also, like, if you trade for a guy,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: you can't put him on the practice squad. So they
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: might have liked Kiner, added him, and then it's all right. Well,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: we'll elevate Larrison, and we'll figure out what happens with Kiner.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Some of these guys that they traded for, Reid's going
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to be here. Reid, I think, is part of their
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: long-term plans to be on this year. Kiner and Roush, like,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: it's Roush, right? Not Roush?
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and in law, too, too. I would put it
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: in this category.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Our guys that I could see here for a few weeks, well,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: he was a waiver claim. You know, if they move
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: on from Kiner or they move on from Rouse, I
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: think people, well, why'd you trade for him? Just moving
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: on from like a sixth, seventh round pick swap. They
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: had so many sixths too. Like, I don't know if
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: it gets to the first month, month and a half
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of the season. It's not ideal. You'd rather just have
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that guy on your roster, but I'm not convinced that
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: those guys, like we could get to a point where
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: like Marcus Bryant comes back. Walter Rouse, the guy that
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: they move on from.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: So those waiver claims, just technicality, they have to be
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: on the roster for three weeks.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: The waiver claims have to stay. I'm talking more about
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the two guys they traded for.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Kiner is going to be here. I actually,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: watching his tape from down the stretch, he played a
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: little bit for Arizona because they were out of it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: You know, he played some of their depth guys down
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the stretch last year. Then he played a lot in
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: the preseason. I saw a more dynamic runner than the
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: guys they had in house, like between the tackles runner,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: you know, Larrison might be a more dynamic passing game player. Uh,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: but in terms of like Haskins, uh, J Michael hasty,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: like those types of players, jam Miller, I thought kinder
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: had a little bit more to them than those guys.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: A little bit more wiggle, a little bit more explosiveness, uh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: can make guys miss a little bit more. He forced
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: nine missed tackles in the preseason, uh, Uh, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: things like that. I don't think that he's a real
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: dynamic pass catcher. I think he's more of a outlet
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: check down type of player in the passing game through
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: some good blocks and blitz pickup. It was a really
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: small sample size. I think he only had like eight
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: or nine blitz pickups that I could watch over the last,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: you know, last end of last year into the preseason
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: this year. But Haskins wears contact. Like he's just a bully, right?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: He's just a bowling ball. there's nothing wrong with that,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: but he's not a dynamic runner. He's not great in
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the open field with the football, like those types of things.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I not to hype kinder too much. I'm not trying
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: to make them sound like Adrian Peterson, but I just
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: thought watching him, uh, he was a little bit more
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: dynamic of a mover than some of the guys they
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: had in house. So I actually think it's a marginal upgrade.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It's a third running back.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: But I think it's a marginal upgrade. All right. So I,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I think that he's going to be around. I think
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: you can return kickoffs too.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: If they want them to do that as well. So
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I look at you, I thought you nailed it though,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: in terms of the, the skillset and the body type,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: it's a little bit smaller than Terrell Jennings.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: But he's same kind of player kind of player. Like
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: that's what they look for in that spot. I think Haskins,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: in theory would fill that kind of role but i
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: just don't think he's fast enough i don't think he's
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: as explosive as kiner uh so i think that they're
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: hoping that they have a little bit more juice with
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: kiner than what they had uh with haskins in house
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: but a lot of these guys too that we talked
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: about on the practice squad vildor brit haskins you know
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: players like that if those guys end up being elevated
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: for the first couple weeks of the season, I wouldn't
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: be surprised.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: No.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Because they're the ones that have been here. They know
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: the system. They're familiar. All that kind of stuff. Moving on.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Wide receivers.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: A.J.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Brown.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yep. Romeo Dobbs. Pop Douglas. Yep. Matt Collins.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Is that five? Chisholm. No.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Who do I miss? Kyle Williams.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: Damn.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Sixth. So I just wrote down best wide receiver room
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: since the Patriots have had.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Probably 17.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I would say 2017. So that's a decade ago. That's
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: what we're talking about here. I thought that Kyle Dixon,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Cameron Dorner, I thought those guys had some flashes in
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the summer that... if we were talking about 2019 to
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: maybe even all the way up to last year, but
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: especially up to 24 guys like Dixon and Dorner would
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: have been like, Oh, these UDFA receivers, maybe even Nick
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: DeGennaro too. this year you just couldn't make the team
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: as one of those guys there. They were too stacked.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: They were so stacked. They traded case on booty because
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: they had too many wide receivers. So I, they, this room,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: as much as we talked about some of the other
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: issues with the roster and the depth and all that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff, they have just done an incredible job
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: of remaking this room. And this is now a strength
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: of this football team.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: No, it really is. And honestly, it's funny. Not much
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to talk about here. It was kind of chalk the
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: whole summer. It was, are they going to trade booty
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: or not? They did. That was it. And, I think
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: everybody slots in. We'll see what they do. I don't
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: know who the volume guy is yet or if it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: truly going to be spread out more. Is it Romeo Dobbs?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Is it Pop Douglas? Is it somebody else? But you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: kind of know who your starting three are. Hollins and
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Williams are going to rotate in, I think, somewhat regularly.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: We'll see if Chisholm dresses on game days. If he does,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: he's Pop Douglas' backup, probably plays some special teams. One
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: of the clearer positions, I think, on the roster.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the best position group on the roster. Now,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: quarterback obviously has Drake May.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Quarterback's its own thing.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: But outside of that.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Position where more than one person plays.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Depth, talent at the top, they got it all at
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: this spot. I don't think there's much more to add
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: other than that. Tight end, they now have five. I
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: count the fullback with the tight end.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's Henry, Raritan, Arkin, Latu, and Reggie Gilliam. Apparently, though,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: with Vrabel, the fullback is not in the tight end's room.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, who said that?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I thought I heard that somewhere. I'll look more into it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, you should look more into that.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I'll look more into that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I think we have offensive assistants coming up, so maybe
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: we can ask them.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: That would be, because it's always been that in any
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: team that I've ever covered. It's always been with the.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I might have misheard something. It's very possible.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: When Nick Cayley was here as the tight ends coach
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: under Josh McDaniels, they met with the tight ends.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: So that would be different for Josh, too.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: We'll figure that one out.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: So on the tight ends, a lot to another guy,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: new guy, dislike kinder, just what I thought was interesting
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: about watching him. Well, first of all, we, we both
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: remember him from Alabama.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: 23 draft.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I found my notes from that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Just to catch up. He's had a rough career.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: He had some injuries.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So he got hurt. His, the preseason finale is rookie
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: or he tore his meniscus. So he missed that whole season.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: gets cut by the Niners the next summer, ended up
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: in Cleveland, didn't play a ton and then was on
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the Eagles last year, played like a hundred offensive snaps,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: but didn't get a target.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Played a lot on special teams. So he's, you know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I talked to him a little bit yesterday and he
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: talked about, you know, being happy, a team, I'm trying
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to remember the exact phrasing he used, being happy that
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: a team, uh, recognized his ability, took a chance on
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: his ability, something like that. I think I have it here. Um,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I'll see if I can find it in a second.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But he's a guy that there might be some untapped potential.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: That being said, I saw a lot of people making
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that claim about Tanner Arkin. I think he's mainly here
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: for special teams. I don't know how much he's a
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: part of the tight end equation. And we also didn't
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: see him on the practice field yesterday. I think he's
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: here mainly to play in the kicking game.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: So I agree. I think that he is definitely mainly
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: here for that. But... They clearly had a role.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Believe in my ability is what he said. He was
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: happy to see a team believe in his ability.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They clearly have a role or a vision in
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: mind for a role that Julian Hill was supposed to fill.
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And when Julian Hill went down with the injury in
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the spring, they gave first ups to that, to Tanner Arkin.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: And it's a blocking role, but it's a pretty versatile
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: blocking role. It's not just stick your hand in the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: dirt next to the tackle and block the guy in
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: front of you. They want to play this player, I
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: would say, more like a traditional H-back that's playing off
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, that is playing from multiple alignments
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: on the offense, maybe even some out of the backfield.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: That was what Latu was doing in Philadelphia. He was
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: not a traditional Y in Philadelphia. He was playing off
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the line, blocking across the formation, lead blocking from the
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: backfield as a fullback, a traditional fullback alignment. two back runs,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: things like that. What I found interesting about that is
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I think we all kind of assume that Reggie Gilliam
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: is going to do a lot of those types of things.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Then Arkin makes the team with that role in mind. Now,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I thought Arkin's preseason tape was a little bit rough
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: around the edges. So maybe that was what they're seeing
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: with Latu is that they're not entirely sold that Arkin's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: up for it just yet. So maybe Latu is a
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: guy that has some NFL experience making those types of blocks.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I'm just interested from a schematic perspective where that goes
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: because I It's not a traditional Josh McDaniels gap run
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: downhill role. This is more of a Kyle use checky
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: type of thing, you know, that they're trying to get
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: some movement across the formation, some movement up to the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: second level. If they're going to run a lot of
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: outside zone or wide zone, they're trying to get a
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: blocker up added to block out the nickel and the
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: force defenders and things like that. That's where they're really
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: more looking for this type of tight end. Then we're
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: going to put our hand in the dirt next to
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: the tackle and block, you know. defensive ends and outside linebackers.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: So I'm fascinated to see where they see all these
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: guys going, you know, like obviously you can't play them
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: all at once, but Gilliam's going to do some of this.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I think the role they envisioned for Arkin is some
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: of this, the role they probably envisioned with lot to
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: has a lot of overlap in that category. So it
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: just seems like that's the body type. That's the type
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of player. He's only like six, four, four and a half, 240,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: 245 pounds. Um, So he's not a blocking tight end
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: in that traditional sense. So I'm interested to see how
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: that goes from there. He is a good special teams player.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: He blocked the punt.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: He told me yesterday that that was like a game
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: plan sort of thing to have him rush over the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: personal protector there in the A-gap, I guess I should say,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the long snapper. And that was like sort of a
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: scheme thing that they found with a protection issue with
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the opponent more than anything. But he did block a punt.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: And we'll see what happens. But it's interesting to me
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that they're kind of changing... it's not Dwayne Allen, I
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: guess is where I'm trying to try to get it
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: out as simply as I can. It's not Dwayne Allen.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: It's this different type of like mold of tight end
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: that they're looking for. Uh, that was supposed to be
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Julian Hill.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And now they kind of have two or three guys
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: that can do that sort of thing. So I think
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: ultimately this all ends up with Gilliam just doing it all.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: And we're probably overhyping the Arkin and Cameron lot to
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: element of it, but they clearly are trying to, to,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Change up that schematic thing a little bit. Offensive line,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: there's 10 of them. You think you can get all 10?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So Campbell, Vera Tucker, Wilson, Onwenu, Moses. Yep.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: That's five. Lomu, Crownover. Yep. Ben Brown.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: GVR.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Greg Van Roten, Walter Rouse. Yep.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: There you go. And then Marcus Bryan on injured reserve.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: On injured reserve. And then, oh, I didn't do the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: practice squad for some of these. So they don't have
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: any practice squad tight ends, do they?
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: Uh, no.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: No, so the wide receivers were Dorner and Dixon there.
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So practice squad offensive linemen are Kubas, the guy they
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: got from the Giants.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: There's three of them.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Kubas. Yep. Rizzi.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Jacob Rizzi, who is here.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: And then.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Lawrence Metz. Yes.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: So, Metz is the.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Guard, center, tackle.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Metz is the free spot.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Rizzi, you need a scout team center.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: So, you need somebody that is going to snap the
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: ball to the scout team quarterback.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Guard, center, tackle. Those three guys. Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: So, that makes a lot of sense. As far as
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: this group offensive line-wise, this is.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: How do they get Kubas, but not Kyle Williams?
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Warming up.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: That's like one of your guys, too. I know.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I needed a... a breakfast ball on that one.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: One of the, one of the, I, how did I
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: say this? Probably the most optimistic I've been about the
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: offensive line in quite some time with this, with this team.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I actually really liked the group. Now I know they're
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: going to be sealing top end talent questions, especially, you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: with Campbell Wilson is Vera Tucker going to hit as
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: a free agent signing.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's going to stay healthy.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Those are like big picture, you know, ceiling type of
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: questions with this team in terms of, they have five
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: proven starters. They have depth at, at both all three positions.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And you want to count center. This is as deep
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: of an offensive line room as they've had. And as
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: like certain of an offensive line room that they've had,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: everybody has a role. They have five starters. They all
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: are playing positions. They should be playing. Like there's no
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: real questions other than can Campbell be, really Campbell specifically
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: make a year to leave.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Campbell make the year to leave. Can Vera Tucker stay
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: healthy and is Loma ready if they need him right away?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'll feel better once Marcus Bryant's back for sure.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Uh, but no, it's a good group and it's a
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: group that, you know, has an outlook for the future.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: They're probably going to need new guard next year. We'll
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: see what happens with Michael and Wenu, but Vera Tucker,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: if he stays healthy as a young guy, they have
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: replacement or replace potential replacements. If you want to throw
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: crown over in the mix along with Loma, or even
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Marcus Bryant, I guess, a right tackle. So they're set
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: for the short, should be set for the short and
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: long term. I do feel good about it. Now, famous
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: last word saying you feel good about the offensive line,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: but I said this after the draft, Evan. This is
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: year nine for us.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: First time professionally, we can say, I feel good about
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: where the Patriots are at tackle.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, big picture.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, so 18, our first year, they were good
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that year, but Trent Brown and Adrian Waldo were pending
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: free agents.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: We didn't know that Trent Brown was going to be
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: as good as he was.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Well, no, even once he was like you, I was like, okay,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: they're good for the rest of the season. But two
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: of those guys were free agents. And, you know, Isaiah
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Wynn was coming off to kill. He's there. We didn't know.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: And like, after that year, there were going to be
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: questions and there were maybe individual moments where they were okay,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: but like big picture.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I feel good about it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So your two leap questions aside, the tackle depth, I
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: think what would be interesting now with Marcus Bryant starting
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: the year on injured reserve, we all had our ups
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: and downs with Caleb Lomu this summer and didn't always
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: love what we saw out of him in camp and
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: in the preseason games. I do think that there's a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: little bit of a question mark of whether or not
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: he is ready to back up both tackle spots right
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: out of the gate.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I, you know, you hope Marcus Bryant
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: comes back quickly. That can certainly be something that he does.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Because I do think that there's a world where they
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: have a left tackle backup and a right tackle backup
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: and not necessarily a third swing tackle. Because I think Lomu,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: it looks, you know, his college position looks good at
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: left tackle. Good, you know, comfortable, I should say, at
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: left tackle. I'm sure that if he had to play
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: left tackle with the help they could give him and
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, he'd be serviceable. Right tackle,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I think, is still an adjustment for him. Now, interior-wise,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: assuming that Ben Brown is healthy and he's not on
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: injured reserve, I'm assuming he's healthy. JVR and Ben Brown
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: as your backup on the interior is pretty solid.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Ben Brown's backup center.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: JVR.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: JVR.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Did I say J?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: GVR.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: That's the hockey player.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Or J.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, JVR.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I'm going to call him by his name. I'm going
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: to call him Van Roen because, you know, like nicknames, GVR. Yeah,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to call.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Him Van Roen. If you say AVT around Felger, he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: loses it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Well, that one, yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: What's the difference?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: No, you're right.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: You're right. You're right. Both of them.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I don't mind calling him GVR. It saves time.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: The only nicknames that I'm okay with are like Pop.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: So I, side rant, sports nicknames nowadays, I don't know
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: if we've talked about this on the show, I've talked
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: about it on other shows, sports nicknames, by and large,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: suck now. They were so much better than we were.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: That's a Bill Simmons take.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: All right, well, you know what? Okay, congratulations.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Who's having a tough week.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Did he, right, did he ask his daughter's boyfriend to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: give the take?
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Don't come at my hero like that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great story. Even he admitted, he
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: was talking about the other. But initials, all due respect
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to Tom Brady. Initials in a number are not a nickname.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: They're initials in a number. JD5. Yeah. Who else is there?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: JT, Jason Taylor.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: JT, JB. I'm trying to think of some with the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: numbers too. Like very few occasions LT made that enough
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: of a thing. But initials in a number are not.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of another guy in the NFL
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: with a number. Um, even if it like RG three.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Well, that's, I know, but it's still not, I know
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: it wasn't his Jersey number, but it's still the truth.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: The answer. Big diesel. I know I'm doing all basketball ones.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. Um, grandmama Superman.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Well, we're still, I'm trying to think of some good
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: football ones. Uh, the flash or flash the bus slash
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the bus. Yeah. Like the fridge, the fridge. Thank you.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: The goat. The sheriff.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you can't become the goat until you're
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: the goat. So, like, now Brady is just the goat.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: You don't have to have a nickname from the beginning.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: A nickname can come over time, for sure. TB12 is catchy. So,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: he's another one that I may be giving exception to. Sneaky,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: great nickname. It's going to be the second time we've
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: mentioned him on the show, oddly enough.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: The Fever. Great nickname.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: But what about, like, MJ?
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: MJ.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: So a few, it becomes very iconic.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Like that one.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, 90% of them are, if you want to
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: call the player by that, I'm not saying you can't
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: call the player by that. Don't call it a nickname.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: That's not what it is. It's just shorthand. A nickname
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: is something that, so like Pop is one, but he's
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: had that for a while. I'm trying to think if
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: there's another.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Pop? I feel as though that nickname is a little different.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Or like Gonzo for Gonzalez, right?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I see some people call him like Agent Zero, which
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: is kind of already taken.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Gilbert Uranus.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Right, but you're getting closer to it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: You're getting closer to it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: People that call him Agent Zero aren't old enough to
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: know who Gilbert Aranis.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Big country. Will Campbell.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: That's a nickname.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So just personal little pet peeve. And I'm all for
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: coming up with more nicknames. The Manhattan Project, which a
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: very small number of people know who that is.
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: R.A.P.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Great nickname. He'll land on his feet. I want to
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: go to Cincinnati. I want to go to Cincinnati.
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: But.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: You should go to Kyle Shanahan.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: So just side rant. And I'm all for it. If
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: we want to come up with more nicknames, all for it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But I want them to be like real nicknames. So
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: maybe like, I don't know, can we get one for
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: not a ton of options in this rookie class.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I just feel like the initials. with Barrett Tucker and
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Van Roe in our new players that I, I, we
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: haven't really talked to very much, especially with tomorrow. Douglas,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: like pop has been here for, this is going on
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: four years now. It's a little bit different. But anyways,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: back to football, very good interior depth, especially what I
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: envision is Ben Brown is your backup center. I think
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: if a guard goes down, if Van Roe and is
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: ready and is up to speed with the playbook and everything, uh,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I actually think that he's a better guard than Ben
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Brown is. So I actually think that they have a
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: backup center and a backup swing guard right now. I
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: think Van Roen would be the first guy up at guard.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Last thing on the offensive line, then we'll move over
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: to the defense. I was pleased that they were able
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: to keep Demetrius crown over and they saw it the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: same way I did with him. I thought that he
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: had a really good preseason. his past protection, I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: still needs a little bit of fine tuning. Uh, but
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: he really was moving a lot of people in the
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: run game and was one of the few guys on
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage that his power translated in. You
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: saw it come up on the tape. So I thought that,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I think that Demetrius crown over has an NFL future.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: I think that he's got some upside. Uh, I thought
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: he had upside coming out of the draft. Uh, we
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: talked about it at the end during the draft season, uh,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: The big reason why he fell in the draft was
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: that people had some concerns about his football character, his makeup,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: his motivation, his love for the game, that sort of stuff.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: It was not ability and talent. So if he's locked
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: in now in this program and he's on the program
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: and he has motivation and all that kind of stuff,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: he's got... incredible tools you know size length athleticism so
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: maybe it's just ends up being a swing tackle third
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: tackle uh behind lomu and campbell long term uh but
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: it would be so patriots for the the sixth round
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: pick to be the guy that's the starter right it
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: would be so patriots for that to happen jacoby myers
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: uh i mean there's a million of them So I'm
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: not ruling out crown over having a really bright future
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: along with Lomu. So maybe not ready to back up immediately.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Like that would be my one concern at tackle is
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: if knock on wood, Campbell or Moses gets her week one,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: you know, it's, they might not be quite ready enough
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: yet for that, but in terms of long-term development and
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: upside net, I think both those guys have a ton
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: of it. So a pretty good tackle room there. A
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: defensive line.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, Corey Durden.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Who else?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: It was Leonard Taylor.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: The Farmer.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And Joshua Farmer. And then on the practice squad, they
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: have Farms.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: They have Eric Gregory. Yep. And the guy they had yesterday, Jalen,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I'm blanking on his last name.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hunt.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hunt.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so when I look at this group, I feel
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the same way about it as I do a lot
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: of position groups on defense. Great at the top.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I actually think that it's tiered. I think Milton Williams
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: and Christian Barmore are in an elite tier by themselves.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I think Corey Durden's by himself in sort of that
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: secondary tier. And then the third tier of the backups
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: with Farmer and Taylor and the guys they have on
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: the practice squad, I have a little bit concerned about depth,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: but I think I more have a concern about who's Tonga.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Do they have a wide-body run-stuffer that's going to play
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: the nose? I don't know yet if Durden is really
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: built for that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: He might be more of like a two-eye, three-technique type
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: of player over the guard, which is what he did
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: more of last year.
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: So.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: That interior run stuffer that knows tackle in their base three, four,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: do they have that player? I was hoping it was
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: going to be Eric Gregory. Cause he's built that way.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: The preseason was pretty streaky for him. So we'll see
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: if that ends up, you know, haunting them is that
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: ends up being something that they have to address, you know,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Daquan Jones. I don't know what happened with that visit.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I don't, he's not on the team.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: So obviously they don't feel like it's something they want
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: to go to yet. So we'll see how they end up,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: you know, long term with that. But that's the one
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: thing I would say about this defensive line group. The
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: defensive tackle group is not necessarily that I mind the
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: players they have. I just don't know if they have
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: this very specific skill set of that like one. wide-bodied
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: run stuffing nose tackle.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'm with you on that more concerned about their
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: ability to stop the run than get after the quarterback
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: in terms of the interior we'll talk about the edge
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: here in a second but i thought gregory too i
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: wonder if they still try to find a nose tackle
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: here over the first few weeks of the season Should
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: be able to like, yeah, those guys are out there.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: How many guys times in the draft that we go
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: through nose tackles and half of them go day three
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: or undrafted because it's just did a, it's such a
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: situational role in the league. Now, you know, it's first down,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: it's goal line. It's short yardage. Like it's not really
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: a three down roll by any means, unless you're like
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Vita Vea.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I'll just throw out a name that I think we
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: both liked in the draft. Who's out there. I, there's
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: no informed information here. Tim Keenan didn't make the Rams.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: He's on the practice squad.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. So you'd have to send him to the active roster.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: That's a name.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Just a guy that can sit in the middle, eat blocks,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: stop the run. Yeah. He can do that.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe because they're so deep on the defensive line,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: he didn't make the team, I would assume.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I would assume. And again, he's on the practice squad.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I assume Big Citrus made the team, was top 100 pick.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Four on the edge, one on PUP. Are you going
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: to do it, or am I doing it?
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, I was just looking to see if
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Dante Corleone ended up anywhere. He didn't, but he didn't
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: even get drafted.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Edge. We've got Elijah Ponder, Draymond Jones. I'm doing these
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: in whatever order, by the way.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Gabe Ackes, Elijah Ponder, Draymond Jones, Gabe Ackes, Quintavis Hutchins.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Harold Langer on PUP.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: And then on the practice squad, we have Jose Ramirez.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Just Jose Ramirez.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Just Jose Ramirez?
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's been... There were some reports that maybe Xavier Holmes.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: But that's not official yet.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Okay. So like we said earlier in the show, I
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: think this is the part of the roster that I
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: would say is the weakest.
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: However, my feelings about it is, I know they only
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: have four bodies on the active roster and that feels light,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: but I think it's not a depth issue. It's a
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: top of the depth chart issue to me. If they
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: had a number one pass rusher, and it's a lot
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: like wide receiver to me, if they had an A.J.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Brown equivalent to the edge group and that guy was
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the number one guy and then Draymond Jones was sort
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: of the number two other starter. And then Elijah ponders,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: the third guy rotating in and Accus is developing behind
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: the scenes and, you know, getting some snaps as a rookie,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: like that would be a fine edge group.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily, it'd be a little thin, but it
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: would be a lot more realistic.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that they, I think their issues
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: were not solved by waiver claims in street free agents
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: at this point in the off.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't, I feel like they can maybe, and
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Hutchins probably here for special teams and had a good
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: close to summer, but like, Could you get a veteran
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: just so that you don't have to put as much
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: on Gabe Ackers' plate as he's developing?
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Sure. But who is that? Like, Hasan Reddick, I think,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: is still out there. Kyle Van Noy, Simon.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody like that.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Or even.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like another Elijah Ponder.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I just feel like with those guys, Redick, Benoit, some
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: of the names I've heard thrown out, I do want
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: to see the first month with Elijah Ponder and see
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: if there's something there. I know you haven't been crazy
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: about him.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Could you have another Elijah Ponder type player? Because you've
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: added a guy like that. Just to add a layer
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: of protection. There's no doubt that it's not a top
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: of the depth chart thing.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt that this position group has question marks.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I just think that I heard a lot of, well,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: why didn't they claim anybody?
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think that their problems were going to be solved.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I think some of them could have been not the
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: big overarching problem, but they could as insurance for Gabe Ackes.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: So with Gabe Ackes, I, I, I really think that
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: all of Gabe Ackes' struggles in the preseason are mental.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: I think he was playing slow. I think he wasn't
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: playing assignment sound football and, Those are big things, and
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I wonder, we don't necessarily, when we do the draft,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: we watch the tape, we listen to other people, we
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily get inside the guy's brain. We're not in
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: the meeting rooms, we're not putting the guy up on
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: the whiteboard. We don't really know what he is between
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: the ears. We know what we see when he plays
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: on Saturdays in college football. This might be one of
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: those times where we really liked what Saturday looked like,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: but we didn't know.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Well, but everything we heard was she's such a football
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: junkie and he attacked a film room, attacked a weight room.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I wonder, and this isn't to say that there's anything
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: wrong with him or off the field or anything like that,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: just mentally processing the game. It just doesn't look there
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: to me. And that would be my biggest concern. So
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: this is more of a you question because you pay
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: attention to college football. How many read options could he
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: have possibly seen at that level? A million, right?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Well, but the thing, and this is the adjustment, it's,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: you know, he's so big, fast, strong.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: If he blew the assignment, he could catch up to,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: he could get aggressive going to the quarterback, and if
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: he blew it, he could catch up to Purdue's running back.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: He could catch up to Northwestern's running back or whatever, right?
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Can't do that in the NFL. Yeah. So he saw
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: there were no consequences or there were fewer consequences for
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: being overly aggressive. So he just has to, I think,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: see more learned that and figure it out. And as
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: he hones his instincts, we talk about these guys all
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: the time. He just has to see more football.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: He's just chasing the ball.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: He's never had to rely on his instincts. But I
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: think he's just I think he's a smart football player.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I just think he's never had to lean on that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Right now he does. So, I mean, and that's not
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: say guarantee works out, but once he, and this is
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: where it goes back to, this is all stuff that
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: could have been figured out in the spring. Yeah. That
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: just wasn't right. So let's see. I don't know to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: use a stupid Madden comp. So at Madden, there's these
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: things called dev trades. So it says how fast a
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: player gets better.
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: So when you draft a guy, his dev trade is hidden.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: And he has to play 500 snaps before he starts
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: getting credit for, like, developing quicker. So I usually spam
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: playing my rookies in the preseason so that they get
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the snaps.
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: Smart.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: But, like, if you have a backup player... Good coaching.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you. If you have a backup player who's, like,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: not playing in a regular season, and then if you
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: don't unlock it in time, like, you lose it, right?
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: So... all those reps that he should have been getting
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that should have helped him be a better player aren't there.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: So do you see the analogy I'm trying to make?
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: No, you're right.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: And that's not to say it's automatically going to work,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: but this is.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: That's the grace that he gets.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Mike Smith, I wouldn't call it grace. I think it's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: just the reality. Mike Smith said in the spring, he's
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: going to, and I don't think he said these exact words.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: He used the word behind. I don't think he said
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: he's going to be behind, but he's talked about him
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: being behind. Vrabel kind of alluded to it too. He
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to be behind in the weight room. He
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: was still working out. In terms of learning the playbook,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: he was here for rookie minicamp, so I assume he
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: had the playbook. So he wasn't behind in learning that.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: It's the speed of the game and the speed in
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: which you have to make decisions in the NFL that
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: he had no way of working on until he got
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: on an NFL practice field. This is the behind. Maybe
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: he doesn't ever catch up. I'm just saying this is
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the behind that was being referenced. and maybe he gets
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: a bunch of snaps under his belt because he has
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: to play a lot early, and we get to Halloween,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: and suddenly it's like, oh, wow, it's starting to click
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: for him. That could happen. Maybe we get to the
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: end of the season, and we say it never clicked
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: This is the game with him right now. My concern
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: with it is I don't know if he can play
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: early on. I think it's going to be really ugly.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a Patriots concern more than a gay back
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: is concerned.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: But then you worry about like his confidence. Well, that's
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: why I'm saying, you know, what could they have done
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: on waivers? Just another layer of depth wouldn't have fixed everything,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: but it gives you some more insurance. If Ackes can't go,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I think he can play on. If it's third and
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: 10 pin years back and go, I think he can
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: do that. That might be it right now.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't look at the team like Seattle.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be tough playing against Seattle.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: They're going to be outside zone heavy. They're going to
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: be boot heavy.
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: And containment on the edge. Not over-pursuing, not creating cutback lanes,
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: not creating, now Kenneth Walker's not there, so that's a
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: big part of it, but not creating those bounce-outs, not
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: over-pursuing the boot and giving Sam Darnold all day to
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: change the look. Those types of things are exactly, Seattle's
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: going to put him in an absolute blender.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: So you're not wrong. He can't play a lot right away.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I think he, again, third and 10, third and 15.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I guess my point is, is if he can't play
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: a lot right away, then is it in practice that
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: he's getting these looks? Like, how are we going to,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: how is he going to catch up?
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I get what you're saying.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: And the reason why I bring this up is because
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: we've not always the same circumstances. It's usually injury, but
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: how many times have we seen a rookie player get
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: hurt in training camp, miss three weeks of training camp.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: And never catch up and the trains moving at.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Full speed and they can't catch, they can't jump on
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: the train.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Look, that's the concern in it. That is the, that's
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: what he missed in the spring. Yeah, that is fair.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Um, Really quickly before we move on.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, I have one more edge thing for you.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Okay. We each have one more. Yeah. On Akis, I
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: wonder if they can simplify his role. Just set the edge...
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: That's your first step, right? Just set the edge. Don't
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: chase the ball. Don't get your eyes caught inside. Just
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: set the edge. Then once you declare runner pass, just,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: just press the pocket, just bull rush, right? Just transition
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: into a bull rush, set the edge, transition into a
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: bull rush. Like if he can do that on first
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: and second down, I think that maybe he can play.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: I think right now what's happening is, is on first
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: and second down, he's getting his eyes in the wrong
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: places and he's just chasing the football and he's getting
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: baited out of things. Whereas if he's just disciplined out
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: on the edge, it might not be as flashy. He
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: may not get as many plays on the ball that
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: he wants right out of the gate, but he's playable.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: The hard thing is a player who's aggressiveness and whose
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: motor is his strength. How do you, And he's not
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the only player that this question's been asked about. How
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: do you get him to play more in control without
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: totally taking away part of what you like about him? Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: And there's no easy answer to that.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: One more question on him, then you can give your
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: last point. Do they play him early in the season
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: because they need Gabe Ackes to work long-term, and that's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: what the best interest of the long-term is? Because you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: have the Seahawks, the Steelers, the Jags, the Bills.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: That's a tough stretch.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Because they're important games.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: They're important games. So not saying he's going to single-handedly
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: lose games for you or anything, but if you can't start.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Do they play him to force the development?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: You can't... Starting 1-3 in September is going to be
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: tougher to dig out of this year than it would
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: have been in.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: What was the or? Or was that the whole question?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Or do you just say he's not ready and you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: can't play him?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Who else plays?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: So you'd have.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: You'd have to play Hutchins, I guess, at that point.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: And that's what I'm talking about where they could have
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: added somebody else. Sure. Along those lines, you talk about
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: him working out in the long term. I'm just going
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: to throw some names at you. Okay. Because it is
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the first week of college football. Just put these in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: the back of your brain.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Yonce Pierre, Alabama. Mateo Uyungle, Oregon.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: I know that one.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have come out last year. Damon Wilson, Miami.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: I might butcher this one. I've got to learn this one.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Bobacar Traore, Notre Dame.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Anto Saka, Texas A & M. Cleve Lubin, Louisville. John
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Henry Daly, Michigan.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Ed Drescher is that mid to late round. Those are
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: the top guys are going to be long.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: So the top guys are Dylan Stewart. And what's the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: guy's name in Texas? Geez. Well, because I'm not looking
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: at those guys for them.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Dylan Stewart's stud.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Dylan Stewart's top five pick. They're saying that the Texas
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: guy could go first.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Like before him, not first overall, but Colin Simmons, geez.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I think Pierre is the consensus third or fourth guy.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: So Pierre and Uyungle and maybe Wilson are like... Pierre
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: and Uyungle are projected first round picks. Wilson's one of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: those top 40 guys. the others are like day two,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: maybe early day three guys, but, and that's not the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: only names we'll talk about. It's not the only names
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: to know. And maybe some of them end up sucking
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: their players to watch at this point, but just, just
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: some names to know.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Uh, once we finished this and we hit the break
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: after the break, I do have a college football thought.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, where? Okay.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Uh, linebacker.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: Yup.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: It is a Robert Spillane.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: This one's tough because there's some new guys.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I know Robert Spillane. Yeah. Christian Ellis.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Yup.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Named the OB eyes or.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: Yup.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Uh, Darius Moussa.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Moussa.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: I asked about CSA. Moussa. And then, oh, I keep
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: forgetting the name of the guy they signed yesterday.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Eric Hunter.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Eric Hunter. I keep wanting to say Franklin.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Khalil Jacobs is on injured reserve.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: He's on injured reserve.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: KJ Britt to the practice squad.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is another group that behind Ellis and Spillane,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: they just keep churning over. They keep looking for diamonds
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: in the rough, waiver claims. who right now, uh, when
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: they go out there in Seattle and week one in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: a week from today, actually, uh, who's the third linebacker.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: It might have to be. Well, so no. So I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: talked to Moose a little bit yesterday, played for Zach
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: core and Shane Bowen in New York. He said that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: he there's familiarity with the playbook and the terminology. And
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: he was just kind of refreshing himself at this point,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: said he felt comfortable in the meetings, big picture. It's
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: probably him. You asked specifically about Seattle. The question is,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: has he gotten here in time? I think by the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: time the season gets rolling, like, Moussaou is their third linebacker,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: and he's started games for the Giants, and he's played
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: a good amount, and I'm not saying he's your ideal
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: third linebacker, but I expect a little more from him
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: than the average waiver claim. Big picture for the season,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I would say. I think the fact he's been in
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: the defense, he's got, like, 20-something NFL starts under his belt.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: So.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: What I saw last year was kind of rough, but
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: the Giants run defense and team by the end of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: the season had to let go of the rope.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, being around better players, I don't want to, I'm
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: not saying he should start, but usually waiver claim doesn't
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: know the playbook.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: You know, a guy that hasn't played a lot. As
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: far as waiver claims go, I'm saying, I think they
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: did well with Moussa. He's also going to play a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: ton in the kicking game. All three of those guys
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: are mainly special teams players.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if just for the short term, KJ
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Britt elevated from the practice squad.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: It could be that, too.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense to me.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: We're running out of practice squad elevations. Well, Wisnowski's going
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: to have to be one of them. Wisnowski's going to
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: be one. If Henderson's banged up, I think Larrison has
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: to be the other.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: A running back?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I think specifically Larrison.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: So... That's the big thing to me is I think
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: early on September, early on in the season, it makes
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: the most sense to elevate KJ Britt. That's fair. Especially
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: just because, A, familiarity, experience in the league, special teams
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: of familiarity and experience. I just think that that's where
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I would go with that. All right, cornerbacks.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Cornerbacks. Gonzalez, David, Christian Gonzalez, Carlton Davis, Marcus Jones, Karan Prunty,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Charles Woods, Channing Canna, Kendall Vildor, I believe, is the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: only one on the practice squad?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: As of right now.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: And that should be it, right?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: So another spot where they prioritized, and I should have
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: said this at linebacker, they prioritized the rookies, the undrafted guys,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: the guys that were going to go on waivers. over
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: the vested veterans, knowing that Kendall Vildor was probably going
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: to just sign back to the practice squad. They wanted
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: to not expose Cleo Jacobs and, uh, not the OBIs
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: or the waivers. So that was sort of where they
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: went all over the roster. You know, Channing Canada makes
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: the team over Kendall Vildor, right? Because Channing Canada has
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: to go on waivers and Kendall Vildor doesn't.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I also think there's an element of, Canada can
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: play the slot. None of their other depth corners can
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: really do that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: So I think they try. They've tried Charles Woods. It's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: been rough, but they've tried Charles Woods in the slot.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: He's never really played the slot before.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Channing Canada can play special teams. He can play Gunner.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much Gunner experience Kendall Vildor has
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: without Brandon Schooler for the first at least month of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: the season. That's notable. My other thing about corner is.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they settled on with Charles woods. This
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: was a reliable backup for us in 2025 special teams player,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: fourth corner, third corner boundary corner. He had a bad summer.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: We can call it what it is, but he played
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: fine in NFL games last year.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: So how much are we going to say? Oh, he had,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: he was bad in practice. Maybe they were getting him
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: some reps in the slot and doing some different things
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: with him than what he's done in the past. I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: just think that they ultimately decided that 2025 tape in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: regular season, real football games was more important than some
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: of the ups and downs in the preseason and in
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: practice this year.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: And I think along those lines, it's not like anybody
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: else from that group had a great camp either. Great
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: summer either. So maybe it goes to the incumbent.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: All right. Surprise level of Canada being on this team.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Cause I'm pretty surprised by that.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't have been as much of a surprise. It was,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I'm the one that always says they're giving us the answers,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: regardless of what we think performance. I do remember a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, we all thought a lot, not
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: last year, A few years ago, like, they claimed Jelani
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Tavai midseason. He was here. He wasn't very good. Everybody
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: kind of wrote him off. And then Belichick went on SiriusXM,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, he's going to be a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: big part of what we do. Yeah. And people still
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: had Tavai off the rocks. He was like, what are
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: you talking about? He hasn't been good. It's like, no,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: he's telling us.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Channing Canna was out there a lot this summer.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: He was out there.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe we thought it was, you know, well, Gonzalez is
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: banged up, and all these corners are banged up, and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: he's out there because they need a body or whatever.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: They were using him like a player was going to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: make the roster. Looking back on it, I was surprised
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: in the moment. Looking back on it, should have seen
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: it coming. That's a miss from me. That's a miss
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: from us. They used him like a roster player. We
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: should have figured that out.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't see it defensively.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Now, whether or not he played up to it, whether
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: or not he played up to it is another question. Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Him making the roster, yes or no, period, we should
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: have seen coming. He's not the first guy.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: That Channing Canada, Karan Prunty. No, excuse me. Channing Canada,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Tanner Arkin.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Are two UDFAs that made the roster because there's roles
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: for them that I don't know if they necessarily fully earned.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: With their performance.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I think Arkin did enough to earn a roster spot.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think he did enough to be beyond replacement.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Like if there were some better veteran tight ends available.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Tanner Arkin's a 53 roster player. Now, he might be 50-51, 52-53.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: But I think he's a 53-man rosterable player.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's... blocker, he is.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: He's your third tight end.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure he is on field goal protection and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Tanner Arkin makes sense on the 53.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I feel similarly with Karan Prunty as I do with
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Demetrius crown over, maybe not quite as high project player.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty high on crown over. Maybe that's just because
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: it's an offensive line thing. And I, I nerd out
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: about that kind of stuff, but I feel the same
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: way about Karan Prunty, you know, height, weight, speed guy.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Good lane covered pretty well in the preseason. If you
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: want to take out the Cleveland game, which I'm just,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: going to decide for the take that i'm going to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: take out okay uh... not great in cleveland either but
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: other than that i thought that they he had a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: good summer yeah he flashed his ability especially to play
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: the ball down the field with that size and length
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: and carry vertical routes If you had to put him
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: in a boundary corner role where all he's got to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: do is cover a receiver that runs the vertical route
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: tree and make sure he doesn't get high pointed down
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: the field on a deep ball, I think that he
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: has potential to be able to do that pretty soon.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: So I'm pretty high on Karan Pranti too as a
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: developmental height, weight, speed kind of guy.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: The only reason I'm not more into that theory, and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: I like Pranti, the only reason I'm more into that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: theory is because he's 24 and usually those guys... Or younger,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: so they have more time to grow. But Crownover's 25,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm into the idea of him being a developmental player.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: So maybe I have to be all or nothing. Well,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Crownover switched positions. That might be part of it. But
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: with Prunty, I just, I don't know. I like the player.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: I think that they got a guy with some potential there. Safety.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Safety. We have Kevin Byard, Craig Woodson, Jalen Reed, and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Del Pettis, Brennan Schooler on NFI.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Did they bring it? Oh, they brought Mike Brown back
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: on the practice squad. That's it, right? Yep.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: So the question that I.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: So I got all, but we're almost done.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: You know I'm going to get the other ones. I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: got all but two.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: You know I'm going to get the special teams.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: So who did I miss? I missed... Kyle Williams. Kyle
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Williams and the linebacker from Detroit, whose name is.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Eric Hunter.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: And Eric Hunter. I actually got a breakfast ball on
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: So, at safety, my biggest takeaway from this safety group
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: was that The John Saunders hype, they didn't believe it.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Clearly, he's not even back on the practice squad.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Not even back on the practice squad. The guy that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: led the team in interceptions in training camp has not
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: even returned to the practice. Now, maybe it's because he
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: has better offers elsewhere. Who knows? You have no idea.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: But I thought that John Saunders really made a push.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I thought that he started to really show up both
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: in the games and in practice. I thought his preseason tape,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: the whole tape in Cleveland on defense was terrible. So
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: I just kind of like all those guys did not
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: play well. So if we're talking about equal footing on
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: all those players and we just accept the fact that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: everybody that took the field on defense in Cleveland did
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: not play well, then I kind of absolve everybody of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: it in a way or wash away at all. John Saunders,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: even though it was a lot against backups, there's no
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: doubt about that. You know, Cole Payton and the joint
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: practice against the Eagles is the fourth quarterback or whatever.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: I just, the bar, the on-ball production was what it
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: was like. He had six picks. Seven picks in training
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: camp doesn't even sniff a practice squad spot. I was
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: surprised that they never took the cheese on it. Like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: we did.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Certainly speaking for myself, I, I, They never seemed to
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: move him up the depth chart. He didn't make the roster.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: He didn't make the practice squad. It was an interesting one.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: That's the inverse of Channing Canada. They were telling us
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: with their actions what they thought of him. And we
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: probably should have seen that coming more.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: Two weeks ago, Paul told me, but he's not... Do
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: you think they've moved him up the depth chart? And
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't. He's been ripping with
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: the threes and the twos, maybe, whoever's practicing. He's been dirty.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Safety with the twos.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: That was before they had Jalen Reed. If they don't
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: trade for Jalen Reed, I think he's here.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: He's not even on the practice squad.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I know, but.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's just opportunity elsewhere. You know, that could be
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: something different.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I also think they like Mike Brown. Not that Mike
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Brown had a good camp. I think he just went
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: to Vrabel's guys like a culture guy.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was John Saunders. Like, it could
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: be John Saunders here, Mike Brown on the practice squad.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: On the roster.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: Special teams. Let's wrap this up.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Andy Borgalis, Bryce Beringer, Julian Ashby, and Mitch Wisniewski on
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: the practice squad.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: So Beringer is on IR. I put Schooler in this category. Yeah,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know why they don't have a punter. So
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: he's on NFI.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I still got all the names.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: Why Mitch Wisniewski over Matt Hack, who was maybe the
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: player of the game for the Patriots.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: You know what? I meant to ask for Able. I'm
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: actually going to ask him that tomorrow. Not directly that,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: but along those lines. I don't know. Familiarity. Wisniewski, his
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: career has been a better punter. Matt Hack. hawk actually
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: had a good year last year with the cardinals um
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: i thought he hit the ball well in that preseason
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: game but again experience the the real interesting thing here
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: and matt hawk might not be done so you put
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: beringer on ir that's four weeks yes they don't have
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: a punter on the roster right now now maybe that
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: changes before the start of the season but you can
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: elevate mitch wischnowski for three games yes that fourth game
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: if you do three off the rip is the bills game,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: which is an important game. Ideally, they're not punting in
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: that game, but let's be honest. They probably want to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: win it.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: They're not going to.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Um, so you have one other game in there, whether
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: it's the bills game or they say, which now skis
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: the better option. So we're going to save him for
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: the bills game. And maybe you have the other guy
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: do the Steelers game, right? Are they going to bring
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: another punter in to do that fourth game? Are they
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: going to add Wisnowski to the roster for a week? Now,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: the theory, if you're bringing, and this is assuming that
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Beringer's only going to miss four weeks, I believe was
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: described as a minor injury at the time.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: So, we'll see. But are they, let's just put this,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: however many games he misses. Are they going to rotate
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: punters through the practice squad and elevate guys? Right now,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: they would need at least two. Or at some point,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: is the roster spot going to open up? You will
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: need a roster spot for Beringer anyway. So at a
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: certain point, you could say, all right, we're going to
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: add Wisnowski to the roster for the Bills game and
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: then cut him and bring back Behringer the week after
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: because we have to open that spot up either way.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: So there are some gymnastics they're going to have to
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: do here.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: But I do wonder if there is a point where
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: it's Wisnowski for three games, he gets cut, and we
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: see Matt Hawk or Jamie Gillen or somebody come in
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: here for a week, handle that game as an elevation.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: and then it goes back to Barringer, assuming he missed
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: four weeks. If it's more, it probably makes more sense
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: to add somebody to the roster because the other thing
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: is this guy's the holder. So you've got to develop
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: that chemistry with Ashby and Borgala. So it'll be interesting
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: to see how they manage this.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: That's exactly how the second question I had is that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: you only have three elevations and he needs to.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Miss at least four games with Barringer.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: So I would assume, and not that this is, they're
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: wishing this by any means, but for.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Some, somebody gets hurt. He's going to get, there's going
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: to be an injury.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: There's going to be a player that they feel comfortable
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: cutting or something like that. Or, you know, two weeks
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: from now that maybe they don't want to move on
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: from today. And, and maybe which now ski ends up
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: on the active roster at that point. So this might
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: be a, you're coming on the active roster once the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: spot opens up sort of thing. So yeah, I, that,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: that is an interesting little, you know, detail there. You
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: only have three of them.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: It'll be fun to manage each week here.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: It's also, if you're automatically elevating the punter, right, then
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: you're losing some flexibility there too, to elevate two guys,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: position players.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: I don't put as much stock into that just because
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: it's true, but, And maybe there's some semantics here.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I just look at the way that they frame the roster,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: the way that all these young players are on this team.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: They have the fifth youngest 53-man roster in the league
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: right now. All these young players that are on the team,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: KJ Britt, does he actually have a role on game day,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: but he's on the practice squad? Kendall Vildor, does he
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: actually have a role on game day? Mike Brown, does
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: he actually have a role? All these different types of guys,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: they might be looking at it and saying, We just
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: wanted to keep working with these young guys. But we're
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: actually going to give the game day roles to the
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: practice squad guys. But then you need the elevators in
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: order to do that.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: It might be the flip side of that, though. Because
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: those practice squad elevations are usually for guys that play
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: on special teams.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: The young guys can do that. The question is more,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: if you lose a corner for three games, would you
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: rather have Karan Prunter or Kendall Vildor? And then you
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: just add that guy to the roster. So... it's a punter,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: still a special team spot, right? You know, if you're
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: not using it on which the guys they'd be elevating,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I think would be Channing Canada or Khalil Jacobs, if
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: he's healthy or Quran Pronte to play special teams. Those
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: guys can now do that from the active roster. These guys,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: they claim, right?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: What if Henderson is banged up week one? And you
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: need Larrison or you need Haskins or something. So that's
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: one spot. I feel like it would be more, I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: don't know, it just feels more flexible. I understand why
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: they're doing it.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: What is Vildor? I get what you're saying. So you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: have Vildor on game day. Channing Canada doesn't dress, so
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: you get Vildor. But how much is Vildor as the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: sixth corner really going to play on defense?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's really not the sixth corner. Is my point.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Who's he ahead of, though?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Well, he's probably not ahead of Charles Woods.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Right. He's the fifth guy. Right.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: But he definitely could be technically still ahead of Ponte
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: in Canada.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: But I think you get burned for that one week
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: while those guys play special teams. I'm not necessarily.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Talking about this. for week one. I'm more talking about
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: it if you have to keep recycling through punters with
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: elevations on the practice squad. Like if Beringer's injury lingers
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: and it ends up being longer than expected.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think eventually they'll add one to the roster.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: If it's that long, they'll add one to it. Because
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: you can only... They're not going to.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Let's say he misses six games. you're going to have
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: two punters in six weeks. And then if it becomes
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: a seventh, now you're on your third punter, your third holder.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Like if it, if it is an extended absence like that,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: they'll have that, that problem is going to take care
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: of itself. Cause either it's not an extended absence and
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: barrier comes back on the roster. And now you have
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: your spots back or barrier, like does miss half the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: season or more like you're alluding to at that point,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: I would.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: Think they just put a puncher on the roster. I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: know that he is or isn't.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: So I see what you're saying. Now you're talking more
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: like you can't be doing this thing all season.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: If he's going to miss that much time, they have
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: to put a punter on the roster. Because you just need...
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: A week or two, not a big deal.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: You can't just be elevate. You can't have a new...
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: It's more about holder than punter. Right. You can't have
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: a new holder every three weeks, which is what they'd
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: have to do. Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: All right. Let's take a quick break. When we come back,
• 1:19:57
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  Speaker 3: I got a couple of, I got a college football thought.
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  Speaker 3: I got a music thought. As well.
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  Speaker 2: You don't listen to music.
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  Speaker 3: You get on me for not listening to music. Every
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  Speaker 3: once in a while, we talk about this. Have you
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  Speaker 3: seen this Kelly Clarkson clip that has gone viral?
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  Speaker 2: Which one?
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  Speaker 3: Kelly Clarkson does this thing on her show that I
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  Speaker 2: Oh, is this the one that doesn't kill you, makes
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  Speaker 2: you stronger, and Anne Hathaway sings it instead?
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  Speaker 3: No, this is not that. That was years ago. She
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  Speaker 3: does covers of popular songs.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And she did the K-pop song Golden.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. She did the cover of that song. Apparently, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know anything about music. I'm just telling you what
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  Speaker 3: I read.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently, there is a high note in that song that
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And Kelly Clarkson, in a live performance, sang at that
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  Speaker 3: octave for, like, I got.
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  Speaker 2: To check that out. I believe it. She's very talented.
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  Speaker 3: She's a great singer.
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  Speaker 2: She's got a great voice. I believe that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I listen to it, and I'm not a
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  Speaker 3: music guy, as you know, and I was pretty blown away.
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  Speaker 3: For me to be blown away. I'll check that out, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like your desk thing.
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  Speaker 2: Tiny desk?
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  Speaker 3: Tiny desk.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's like tiny desk, but okay.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like that.
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  Speaker 2: The whole point of Tiny Desk is it's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be acoustic. Not everybody does it acoustic.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't acoustic, but it's like she's covering popular songs.
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  Speaker 3: She's just a really good singer.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's not really what Tiny Desk is, but okay.
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  Speaker 3: Something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin, that's not what Tiny Desk is.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say it's kind of like Tiny Desk.
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  Speaker 2: Evan saw somebody playing music live and said, oh, it's
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: like Tiny Desk.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: It's playing music on TV.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Evan's going to go to the concert here this weekend
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: and be like, oh, it's just like Tiny Desk. Yes,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: it's just 68,000 people in the stadium. It's just like
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Tiny Desk.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: I try to do a music thing one time.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, I should encourage it. That's fine.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Seriously, my goodness. College football.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: I did watch North Carolina TCU.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: I watched a little bit of that game. That was...
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: The most post-Brady Bill Belichick win of all time.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: So I think the big question is, is North Carolina
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: turning a corner or is this just like a one-off?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Aside from the fact that TCU is in shambles and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: that whole program is like up in smoke.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they might not hit with the quarterback.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: The locker room is like they're literally fighting in the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: locker room. This is a story. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: One of their players got like, yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: They literally are fighting. There's infighting in the locker room
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: going on right now at TCU. And I have seen
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, maybe not a bunch of times, but I've
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: seen post-Brady Bill Belichick teams win 15 to 10 rock fights.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: You know, the 2022 Patriots, the 23 Patriots, that's how
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: they won games, 15 to 10. So this is not,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: to me, that is how exactly it looks when Bill
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: Belichick wins a football game now. It's a rock fight,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: defensive type of game. They'll win on some, you know,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: getting the other team to jump offside, something like that.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: So I'm not ready to say that they turned a corner,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: but nice little win for Bill.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: They're built for it better now than they were last year. So,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: you know, they have better defense. I got a bit,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: you know, some good running back. I got a kid
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: from LSU in the portal running back. That was a
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: good win. In fighting aside, that TCU team is supposed
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: to be good this year.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: I believe they received votes in the poll.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: So a lot of it, their quarterback, Jane Craig. Harvard transfer.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Set up some passing records at Harvard.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Is that North Carolina's quarterback?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: No, TCU's.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: I thought North Carolina's quarterback was the Harvard transfer.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: No, he transferred from.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: I was trying to follow. He was at a couple schools.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: It was constant at one point. It was on in
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: the background. The roster cuts were going on. There was
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: a lot going on.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: TCU's, he's one of the top FCS quarterbacks last year.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It was seen as a good get for TCU in
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: the portal because they lost Hoover to Indiana.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: So there was a lot of hype for this kid.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: And now we know Bill Belichick against the young quarterback, right?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Belichick threw the kitchen sink at him. So we'll see
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: what he does moving on. It wasn't the easiest day
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: to throw the ball, but a lot of the TCU hype,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: and there was TCU hype, was based on the idea
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: that everybody's trying to find the next Trinidad Chambliss. The
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: guy that comes from the lower level and was just overlooked.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: I think BC's quarterback this year came from detail. Everybody's
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: trying to find the next Trinidad Chambliss. The guy that
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: comes from the lower level that was just overlooked for
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: whatever reason and just shows up and proves he belongs.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I am a big Trinidad Chambliss guy, by the way.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know your thoughts on him, but Jaden Craig
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: was one of those guys. We do that in the NFL, right?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: After Brock Bowers had the big year, every rookie tight
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: end the next year was, who's this year's Brock Bowers?
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: There's people doing this year. Who's this year's Drake May, right?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: So who's the next Trinidad Chambliss is one of those
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: things in college football. And TCU's quarterback was on that list.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: So it was a good little win for North Carolina.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I think that everybody just... either blocks
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: out Bill Belichick's wins from the last handful of years
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: and acts like they didn't happen because of how tumultuous
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: it's been for him, how bumpy it's been for him,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: but he's won a lot of 15-10 rock fights. They were, what,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: 8-9 in 2022 with 8 15-10 rock fight wins. So
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: until they start to actually....
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: They didn't win a game where the opponent scored more
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: than 24 points?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: For a handful of years?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: Until his offenses start putting up some points, it's hard
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: to kind of buy fully in and like... But you
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: know what?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: The ACC is not good. You can win games like that.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: And they have a pretty easy schedule around that.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: They could compete in the ACC, but that's not really competing.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: All you got to do is get in that conference
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: championship game, man. If you can win that.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: The conference champion last year didn't go to the playoff.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Yeah. Okay, fair.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: If Virginia had won the conference, then maybe they would have.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: They would have, yeah. Well, this is your whole thing.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: You think that the conference champion should have gone. You
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: think Duke should have gone.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: No, my whole thing is that I think it's 12
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: teams still, right? The best 12 teams need to go
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: to the playoff.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, after award-winning your conference. Not Tulane. Or you have
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: to get rid of the conference championship game.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: Not James Madison.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: My whole thing is that if you put Tulane or
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: James Madison on the field with Notre Dame, that is
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: a Notre Dame blowout. Notre Dame wins by four touchdowns.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Should they get rid of the 116 game in March Madness?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Or should they get rid of the auto bids in
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: March Madness?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: It's different, though, because there's 65 teams that make it
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: in March Madness. We're only talking about 12 teams that
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: are making it.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about fewer conferences, fewer teams overall.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I just want the best 12 teams. I don't care
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: what conference they play in. I don't care anything else.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: I just want, if we put these teams head-to-head on
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: a football field, we're the best 12. That's fine.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: It needs to be the best 12 teams on film,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: not the best 12 teams on paper. Would you agree
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: to that?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Like, the results have to matter.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: But can we agree that Notre Dame was a better
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: football team last year than Tulane and James Madison? And
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: I'm saying Notre Dame not because I'm a big Notre
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: Dame guy, but that's the team that really got snubbed here.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: Well, but then you get into, like, Notre Dame. That's
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: a bad example of what you're arguing. I don't disagree
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: with what you're arguing in theory. There's a few reasons
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: why that's not a good example. Notre Dame's a weird
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: one because they get treated like a Power 5 team
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: that doesn't have to play a Power 5 schedule. There's
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: a separate issue.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: Specifically with Notre Dame.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: The argument you're making, and it was with four teams,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: it's the Florida State team a few years ago.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: Because their quarterback got hurt.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about eye test talent on the field. We
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: know that Notre Dame is a better football team than Tulane.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: So talent on the field, but also results. I'll give
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: you this.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: But I'm not talking about Notre Dame versus Miami. I'm
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: fine getting rid of the auto bids. The argument you're
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: making usually goes down the road of that.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm fine getting rid of the auto bids, but
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: winning the games has to matter. I don't want to hear,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: and you've made this argument before. Yeah. Well, this is
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: the team that has the roster talent. I don't care
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: that they lost two bad games during the year. I
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: want to know that hat. Cause then the regular season
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: Well, it does. Like you can't have five losses. Like
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: do you know if.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: You lose to Northern Illinois in September, that should be
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: a massive red mark on your resume. No offense to
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Northern Illinois.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: It is, but I don't think that losing to Northern
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: Illinois in September should eliminate you from the college football playoff.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: If you lose to App State and don't beat another
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: quality team, but you finish 11-1, if there's like a
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: 12-2 team that went through a gauntlet, or I have
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: not 12, 10 and two team that went through a
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: goblet and has some real quality wins in those losses
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: or maybe conference games. I did the 10 and two
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: team should be in over the 11 and one team
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: that didn't play anybody.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: But it would, the problem that I had with it,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: and maybe this is the auto bids thing.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: The problem that I had with it was that the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: conversation became the wrong conversation. It became Notre Dame versus Miami.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: And as it turns out, Miami made the college football
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: championship so that they picked correctly by putting Miami in.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: But really, the argument should have been Notre Dame versus
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: James Madison.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: So that's the auto-biz. At first, it was.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: At least one group of five team had to get in.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: One group of five champion had to get in. Then
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: they changed it to, it's just the five highest ranked
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: conference champions, but everybody in the ACC kept getting upset.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: So I think it was the Sun Belt and the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: American champions, whoever the other team was, were higher ranked
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: than the ACC championship. So you still missed that. a
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: power for that was a total fluke. By the way,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: that would, that would not happen once again in a
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: thousand years.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: I want the 12 best.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: So now this is what they're going to do. It's
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: just going to be the 12 highest rated teams. The
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: only caveat is in watching you burning in this year.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Now the caveat is all power for champions have to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: make it. So you're going.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: To get a ball, always have to make this so
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: complicated because.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: They don't want to get rid of the conference championship games.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: And you can't have a conference championship games if they
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: don't mean anything. Okay. So I guess, but like, like
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Miami wasn't even in there. Right. Exactly. Now you're going
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: to get that Duke team. So instead of Tulane, you're
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: going to get that Duke team. Just give me the
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: 12 better. Well, the Duke team's better.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They're better.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: And like, I like, well, they're going to, they're going
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: to go to, they're going to go to 16 and
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: then you're not going to have to worry about it.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: I just, they're going to go to 16.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: I am a casual college football fan and I'm a
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: draft fan. Okay. Like I'm a draft Nick that I
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: fully admit that I am a casual college football fan.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: But I do enjoy the college football playoff. I do
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: want to watch the college football playoff. I do not
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: want to watch Oregon beat James Madison by six touchdowns.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: That's not entertaining. This gets said about March Madness sometimes.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: I disagree. But a lot of people say, like, March Madness,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: outside of a handful of games, it's that second round
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: where you really start getting to the good stuff. It's
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: the second round. Like you're getting that in the second round,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: but you're, you're going to get your way. It doesn't
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: matter what I want. You're going to get your way.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: So as long as the ACC can put forward a
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: representative champion, you're going to be fine. All right.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: I got a bunch of emails. So let's get to
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: some of these. I've got a couple of Kyle Williams questions.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: This is from Matt in Wichita. All I have heard
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: this preseason is that Kyle Williams out there longer than
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: the other wide receivers to add some more tools to
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: his toolbox and Why is it then that he continues
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: to keep getting go routes and then is off the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: field the next drive? So basically he's saying they don't
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: give him enough playing time to actually work on the
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: other things that he has to work on. I would
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: say that slight pushback on some of the one-trick pony stuff...
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: I actually think he has shown some intermediate route running,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: not in the sense of over the middles and slants
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: and crossing routes and things like that. He's running a
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: pretty good comeback at this point. He's able to get
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: off the line, get the corner runoff at the top
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: of the route, and then stop. A lot of people
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: call it a nine-stop comeback, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: He had the.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: one before halftime against the Colts. I think that was
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: a 25 yard game where he ran off the corner,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: stopped down, caught the ball in front of the corner,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: made a miss, went up the sideline. He also caught
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: a curl in the Cleveland game that for a first
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: down on a third down play that was similar, run
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: the corner off, sit down in front of him, catch
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: the ball over the sticks. So he might not have
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: the in breaking route yet. I think that's what we're
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: looking for. A slant, a crossing route. something like that,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: breaking into the middle of the field. But I have
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: seen some progress in terms of those comeback routes, curls,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: stop routes, whatever you want to call them, where he's
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: on a vertical plane, he's running the corner back off
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: and then just stopping instead of keeping running on the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: go route.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: The go route soon enough to keep the other, to
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: keep the defenders honest. Yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: And then that's when the go route becomes a problem is, well,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: now you got to think about the comeback and he's
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: able to run by you on the go route. So
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: I think that he's, one trick pony is not the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: right word. He's a vertical threat. Like he's a, he's
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: running a pure vertical threat. He's running a vertical route tree.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Dante Stallworth, Demir, Philip Dorsett, Johnson, Philip Dorsett, real door sets.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: The guy that keeps coming to mind when I think
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: of him.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, real quick, cause I messed up a little bit.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: The playoff format for this year of college football guaranteed
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: bids for the conference championship champions of the power for
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: plus the highest rated conference champion from the group of six.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: So there is still one of those teams that, But
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: there can only be one of those teams. I also
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: forgot about this. I'm curious if you'll like this or
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: hate this. This is so stupid that this is in there. So,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: if one of those conference championships is ranked lower than 12,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: it knocks the 12th ranked team out. If there's two,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: it knocks the 11th ranked team out.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: And on and on. Unless Notre Dame ranks in the
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: top 12, then they're automatically in and the team above
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: them gets bonked. All right. So you're, thank goodness we
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: get Notre Dame.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: That's kind of a stupid car, right? Join a conference.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: That's a bad rule.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: That's a bad rule. My only issue is like, I
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: keep saying is Alabama, Notre Dame, uh, LSU. If those
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: teams are like 15th in the poll and you're letting
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Tulane in or James Madison in, they do not belong
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: on the.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Same field as Alabama. You're going to get one of
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: those teams. That's it.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: I guess I'll have to live with that. This is
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: from Will in D.C. Is Channing Canada a kick return candidate?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: And then he said, do you have any insight as
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: to why defensive players almost never return kicks these days?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: He did it a little bit in the summer.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: More in practice. I don't think he returned any kickoffs
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: in games, if I remember correctly. Honestly, defensive players, I mean,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: they don't have the ball as much. Right.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: There's more pure... It's not as chaotic. A punt return
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: is kind of like an interception return in some ways.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: You know, kick return is structured so much more like
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: an offensive play. Now there's more that goes into it.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: Not to say it's easier, but it just mirrors an
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: offensive play so much more than it used to. Because
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: it used to be its own thing. So you could
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: have a defensive player work at it. Now that it's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: so similar to an offensive play, the guys who are
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: used to playing offense are naturally, I think, established. step
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: ahead in terms of what you need to do in
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: that situation.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so wide receivers, running backs are used to just
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: carrying the football. Other than specialty guys like Marcus Jones
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: that return punts, how many of those guys on defense
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: are used to carrying the football at that level?
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: It's also... Well, because now you still see defensive guys
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: return punts. Some of it is, too. You have to
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: be a little bigger to return kicks now because there's
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: more collisions. There's more of a premium on run power
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: than just straight line speed versus punt returns. So you
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: don't really see power runners on defense, I guess, would
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: be the... Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. You're
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: not going to have... I'm trying. You wouldn't have Brandon Browner...
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Return a kickoff.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: There is now.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: But that's kind of the build you need or who's
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: another guy that's like that. He just comes to mind
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: when I say big corner.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's to me. And I think Marcus
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Jones would probably be good at returning anything.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: But the reason why I don't think he's a primary
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: kickoff returner for them is his size. They're worried about
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: him getting hurt returning kickoffs. It's a car crash. Punt return,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: usually unless you have a bad fair catch, no fair
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: catch situation where you get a little bit greedy and
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: you get run over, there's not really as many big
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: hits on punt returns like there is on kickoff returns.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: This is from Michael. Can you point to any reason
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: that you think Elliot Wolfe is a good GM? Hitting
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: on Drake May is not a plus in his column.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: He just did a segment detailing how bad this free
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: agent class and every draft he has been a part of.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: So the reason why I'm reading this very negative email,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: I do feel like we're getting a little choosy of
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: the good moves are Mike Rabel's moves and the bad
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: moves are Elliot Wolfe's moves. So if you want to
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: take Drake May out of it, that's fine. But if
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: you agree with Them going and getting Carlton Davis and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: Robert Spillane and Milton Williams and A.J. Brown and Romeo Dobbs.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: You can't say that the good ones Vrabel gets credit for,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: but the bad ones we blame on Elliot Wolfe.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: So the 24 draft was bad. He's admitted it. We've
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: all can say it. We can all be big boys
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: about that and just say it was a bad draft.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: Did I tell you about my very cold take about
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: that draft?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: Hit me with it.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: So I tweeted that Thursday night after they took Drake
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: and I waited to see if they were going to
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: get another pick in the first round. They didn't. I said,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Patriots got Drake May. They have a potential franchise quarterback.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: They've had a good draft. The next two days will
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: decide whether or not they had a great draft. Does
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Drake May alone make that a good draft? I kind
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: of would argue it does. It's not to defend the
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: rest of it, but like.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: If you went into the draft and you said that exactly,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: you could get your franchise quarterback... And nothing else. And
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: nothing else. You're taking the quarterback.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like... What's a better draft? Hitting
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: on Drake May to the extent they hit on him
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: and nobody else being legit, or all of those guys
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: panning out as like starting caliber, strong backups, what they
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: were supposed to be, but the quarterback being a bust.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: What's a better draft?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: The quarterback.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: What would you rather have? The rest of those guys
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: on the roster, but not Drake May, or Drake May
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: and none of the rest?
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: Drake May.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: So I, this is not to, I'm not saying this
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: is like some massive defensive Elliott Wolfe, but I think
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: if you get the quarterback, it's a good draft no
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: matter what. And I end on it, one more thing
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: on that. Sports Hub Sunday kickoff, which, by the way,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: is back this week. 8 to 10 with Andy Hart.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: Are you going to have me on or what?
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Sure. Even on, you get annoyed I have you on
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: too much. Even on this show, we did it. I
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: don't even need to plug the other show. We took
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: way too many calls that spring about J.J. McCarthy and
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: about Marvin Harrison Jr. Joe Alt. The Joe Alt one, whatever, like,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: I can sort of sit with that reasoning. J.J. McCarthy
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: somehow made the Vikings. Marvin Harrison Jr. has been fine.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the call? We would get this call
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: two or three times a week.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: They're not ready for the quarterback.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Not even that. It was, they can't develop receivers. Marvin,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: he's generational. He can't miss. How can this organization that
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: struggled on receivers pass on a guy like this? We
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: took way too many calls on J.J. McCarthy and on
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, among others, to sit here and act like
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Drake May was some kind of layup and everybody knew
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: it was the move. Yeah. I just, that's more me
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: victory lapping than defending the front office. But way too
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: many takes were thrown out that when we were, how
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: many times did we sit here and say, all right, well,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: it's Mayor Daniels, whoever falls. Like, and we liked other guys.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: I liked Pennix. I never said over the other two.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: It's Mayor Daniels, whoever falls. That's the pick. We were
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: on that from like November.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: So it clearly wasn't, but it clearly wasn't that obvious
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: to everybody else.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: And then they'd never wavered. Like when, no, when we
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: saw it on the, in the off season, hard docs
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: with the giants, Elliot was like, yeah, if you trade
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: us your first and second round picks for the next
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: three drafts, right. Like maybe we'd consider it, but like,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: we're talking about something crazy.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: We were taking all, no, you got to take the hall.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Drake may be good, but move down and you can
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: get future picks and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: And like, yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: So that to go back to it, They've had their
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: issues in the front office. You made the right point.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: You can't give one person credit for the good moves,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: another person credit for the bad moves. The 2024 draft is,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: even if I do, in one definition, call it a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: good draft, a significant disappointment, and it sets the organization
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: back for sure.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Like, all of that. It's the process as a whole.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: That's just, I don't want to absolve anything, but I
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: just look at it.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: I just have funny semantics takes about the 24 draft.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: The other thing about the 24 draft, if we're making excuses, is.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: He had a coaching staff that was entirely green and
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: wasn't ready for it. Like Gerard Mayo should not have
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: been the head coach. They had an offensive coordinator had
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: never called plays before. They had a defensive coordinator had
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: never called plays before. They had a special teams coordinator
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: that had never been a coordinator before. So they took,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Jalen Polk and Caden Wallace and
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: any of those players would have panned out better, but
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: they didn't exactly put them in a great.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: Situation as rookies. Could a more veteran coaching staff have helped?
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: Cause the coaching staff plays a role in the draft.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: In terms of scouting, developing, all of the above.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Could there have been more input from the coaching? Not
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: just putting the development of those players on the coaching staff,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: but who they actually took.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: Types and scheme fits and all of those. I don't
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: know if they had the answers to those questions. When
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: the scouting department said, what is a linebacker to draw
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: out male? What is a safety? What is a corner?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Wallace is the best example is they drafted Caden Wallace.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Who's a career, right? Tackle to play left tackle, gave
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: up on that very early, tried moving him inside a guard,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: played four different positions within a year. You've really never
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: spent time at his college position. Like that's just, maybe
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: he'd never would have panned out either way, but yeah,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: You put a player with legit talent in that through
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: that kind of rigmarole and you're going to get less
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: out of them. That's just the reality.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: My biggest thing, though, is that you just because I
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: don't want it to come across like we're apologizing for
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: for Elliot Wolfe and your shows, especially I feel like
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: get on the beat a lot for, you know, running
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: cover for the team.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: This is a big I think it's Beatle take that
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: like it's all for able now. Good or bad, it's
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: all Vrabel.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: It has to, like, you have to either look at
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: it one of two ways. The easiest way, most straightforward,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: is that it's all Vrabel. I look at it as
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: it's all of them. Like, it's Elliot Wolfe, it's Ryan Cowden,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: it's Stryker, John Stretch Stryker, it's Mike Vrabel. Those four
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: guys are making the roster decisions at the top of
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: the organizational letterhead for this team. So again, if you're
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: going to take the 24 draft out of that, that's
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: all on Elliot Wolfe, right? Like they weren't here for that,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: but the last two off seasons, the good moves are
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: their moves. The bad moves are their moves. So if
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: you don't want to feel great about Elliot Wolfe, or
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: this whole regime, then that's, that's your prerogative. That's fair.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: But if AJ Brown goes out there and balls out,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: then you have to, that's a good thing, right? If
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs balls out, that's a check, right? You know,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: Robert's playing and Carlin Davis and Milton Williams and Morgan
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: Moses all being good free agent signings last year. That's
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: a feather, right? That's a feather in the cap, right?
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: For those guys. So that's just how I feel about that. Um,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: This is from Darius, who's very upset about our edge conversation.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: So he said, send in two different emails about this. Okay.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: So he's in Louisville. He said, I'm tired of hearing
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: about the edge position. We are technically in the second
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: year of a reboot. I think people forget. We got
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: AJ Brown, Romeo Dobbs, Vera Tucker, Bayard. We can't fix everything.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: This in one off season. Then he said, Evan just said,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: we don't have Superbowl edges. Well, we didn't have Superbowl
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: edges last year and we still got there. I just
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: let the coaches do their thing and let's outscore everybody.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have to outscore everybody. I, the
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: edge group better, worse than it was last year.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: Worse.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: No Landry right now. No Caleb on Jason.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: Like even if they had Caleb on chase on now,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: no Anthony Jennings, no, that's a sneaky big one. If
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: they added Draymond Jones to Caleb on chase on, I
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: honestly feel a lot better. Even just that move. I'd
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: be like, you know what? The secondary is really good.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: They're good in the middle. Like that's enough. Yeah, it's,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: they got worse than they were last year. And you can't,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: you can't in the same breath say, well, they were
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: in the middle of a rebuild and well, they're going
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: to like, they have a path to this. Like we're
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: look last year. We didn't look at it through Superbowl margins.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: Now we're looking at it through Superbowl margins. If they
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: won four games last year.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think the edge would be as much of
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: a talking point. Cause we'd be wondering about the quarterback
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: in the line and just the things that have to
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: go wrong for you to lose four games. There's more.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: attention on this now. At best, I think they're even
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: where they were last year.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 8: But.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: They're a much better team, so you look at things
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: more on the margins. That's the reality of it.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: I can hear the argument of they wanted to create
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: opportunities for some younger players. Gabe Ackes.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: But they only have one younger player.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: I guess Ponder. Ponder, Hugh Hutchins. I don't know if
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: you count Hugh Hutchins as a depth player, but... you know,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: ponder and hack is, and I'm just saying theoretically, when
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: they made these decisions in March, they probably knew they
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: were going to use a top 100 pick on an
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: edge player.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: And they wanted to create snaps and opportunity for that player.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: So I, I, I get that. Uh, but I guess
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: my thought is, could you have had Draymond Jones? Caleb
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: on chase on did not sign a big contract. In
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: free agency.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: It was a reasonable deal. Kyrus Tonga did not sign
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: a big contract with Kansas City.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not Edge, but yeah.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: But I'm just going through all these different positions. Right.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: Jack Gibbons did not sign an unreasonable contract.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: He was an RFA. They could have protected him.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: So all these types of guys, if you had had
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Draymond Jones chased on Akis Ponder.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: Is there really no opportunity? Like, you're still, do you
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: feel like you're blocking the young guys?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: We talked about this earlier, and look, they didn't know
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: that Akas was going to miss the spring, but like,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: it would have allowed you to ease him in more.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Which for any rookie should be, especially when you're picking
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: at the end of the rounds, like, maybe your first
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: guy's an immediate impact player. Second round, once you get
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: past like the top 50, you kind of want to
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: ease guys in outside of. a handful of positions, edge rushers,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: a position where I think you can ease guys in
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: like running back.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: You take a running back in the top 100. That
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: guy's probably a starter or a heavy rotational.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: There's no, there's no doubt that to the emailers point,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: you know, next off season, I'm going to expect them
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: to make a real high investment in an edge rusher
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: top 100 pick. Honestly, probably a first round pick.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: Yonsei Pierre, Damon Wilson. I like John Henry Daly. That's
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: a great name. I'm usually not a big Michigan edge
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: rusher guy, but sometimes the names get me. We'll see
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: what he does this year.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's a note. We got a call. So I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: can take this call from Jay in Atlanta, and then
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: we have a few more emails before we wrap it up. Jay,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: what's up, Jay?
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 7: Hello, Gus, can you hear me?
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got you.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 7: All right, thank you. So since Drake has been going
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: in year two with Josh, has two receivers in A.J.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 7: and Dobbs, Is it possible that we could possibly see
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: an increase in his attempt so that not only can A.J.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 7: and Dobbs eat, but maybe some of the other guys
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: can have a little bit more volume so he can
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: eat in the offense and not be so touchdown dependent
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: and possibly look better long-term for development on the roster?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 11: I'll take it off the line, guys.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: I guess I kind of, what was the question exactly?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Are we going to see more pass attempts for Drake
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: May this year?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: I think just based off the score, we're going to
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: see more pass attempts. Based off the score, I think
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: they want to run with more tempo. I think they
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: want to get more plays in over the course of
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: The reason why they didn't have a lot of pass
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  Speaker 3: attempts last year is because they didn't play a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fourth quarters last year. So, you know, pass attempts
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  Speaker 3: volume goes up when the games are close.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have that stat about pace, like, and
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  Speaker 2: I think you want to play more uptown, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to throw more passes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when you're, you know, playing Tennessee or you're playing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Cleveland and you're up three touchdowns in the
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarter, they kind of put the game on ice
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  Speaker 3: at that point and they're not passing, you know? So
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  Speaker 3: those stats are always situation dependent. It's always game dependent
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  Speaker 3: in terms of score and stuff like that. And another
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  Speaker 3: good one that I, we got a bunch of Seahawks questions,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: so we can maybe answer some of that. I just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we will have another show before we do
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: have another show. Nickname email. Yeah. He said, how do
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  Speaker 3: you feel about cover zero for Christian Gonzalez? Cause he
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: does wear zero.
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  Speaker 2: Especially since they're probably going to run a lot of
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: cover zero this year. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: It's not bad.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Cover zero Christian Gonzalez. I, I, I kind of just
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  Speaker 3: feel like the one with him is built in with Donzo.
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  Speaker 2: Cover zero is not a bad nickname though.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: No, it's not bad. I don't mind it. So yeah,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: we got a bunch of Seattle questions and of course
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: we have some callers calling in eight minutes to go
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: in the show. So we'll just go right to these guys.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: Charles is in the Bronx. We're in the Bronx.
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  Speaker 3: Are you Charles?
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  Speaker 11: Hey, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, good.
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  Speaker 10: First time, long time. Now, Evan, I was, I got
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 10: to say, first off, those chairs look quite uncomfortable. I
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 10: think that you guys might need to get some updates there,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 10: but that's a separate point.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's just us. I think it's, we're not
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: used to it. It's probably our fault.
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  Speaker 10: You guys just look so uncomfortable sitting there. I feel
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 10: bad for you, but getting to the point, someone emailed
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 10: in earlier about how Elliot Wolf kind of sucks at
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 10: his job.
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  Speaker 3: And he, Thank you, Evan.
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  Speaker 10: You actually brought up something that the title talk crew
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 10: talks about, Bryce and Luke and Silva. But when you
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 10: have the title, you get all the credit for the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 10: good stuff, and you get all the credit for the
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 10: bad stuff. We can't be picking and choosing, giving Vrabel
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 10: all the credit for when the good things happen and
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 10: when everything bad happens. It's Elliott Wolfe. Elliott Wolfe has
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 10: that title. He talks to the media. He talks to
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 10: the GMs. Give the guy credit. He did great in
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 10: the Eagles trade. We'll see how he does with this
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 10: Gonzo trade. There's a lot to talk about there.
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  Speaker 7: But Patriots fans, we've got to be a.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 10: Little bit smarter about this. Brable doesn't only do good things,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 10: and Wolf doesn't only do bad things.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, Charles. Yeah, I was talking to
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: Paul about this off the air, and I guess back
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: in the day this used to happen with Scott Pioli
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: and Bill Belichick.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: I could see that.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: Where Belichick got credit for all the good stuff and
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: Pioli got blamed for all the bad stuff or vice versa.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know which way it was. Probably that way.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Probably.
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  Speaker 3: And that's just what happens when the GM and the
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: head coach or the top personnel executive and the head
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: coach are different people.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: It's like, who's to blame? Like, who am I pointing
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: the finger at when things go bad?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: But that's all.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you have to think that they're
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: good at it. But if we're going to grade the
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: personnel moves, it has to be one unified.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Just call it the front office. Front office did a
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: good job. Whoever that is, Wolf, Vrabel, Cowden, Groh, like
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: they're as much as they, you know, Vrabel, the thing
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: that is no front office, there's no back office. It's
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: just us. I think those were the four stretched. He
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: might not even have said grow. I think he said stretch, but.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stretch, Cowden, Wolf.
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  Speaker 2: Unless we hear them come out and say, you know, well,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf pounded the table for this guy in the
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: draft room, or, you know, Cowden really didn't want this guy.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Unless we hear that, you kind of have to view
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: it as a collective. That's it.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: It is a collective.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: And some you can maybe figure out, like, who do
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: we think was... bringing up kevin byard right who do
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: we think was pushing to get kevin byard here right
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: like we can figure that out with the draft it's
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: a little tougher you really don't know and there's some
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: tendency history we have for wolf there's some tendency history
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: we have for vrabel but yeah you don't know it's
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: it's the collective group obviously if somebody comes who's with
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: the packers okay there's ellie wolf if somebody comes with
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: the giants yeah that's probably cowden's you know cowden is
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: the the point person on that again aj brown kevin
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: byard those are great. So it's a little easier with
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: the veterans, but it's still a collective.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: So the way that it was explained to me, but
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: by Elliot Wolf himself, one of the combines, I forget
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: which one it was. The, the, the ideal setup for
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: most personnel guys is that the coach comes to you
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: and says, we need, I'll just use edge. Cause we've
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: been talking a lot about edge.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: We need an edge rusher that can do these specific things,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: whether that's a get after the quarterback or, setting the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: edge of the defense, whatever, like, priorities the coach has. Like,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: this is what we need this edge rusher to do
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: because schematically this is how we're going to use him
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: and this is the role that we have for him.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: The GM wants that coach. The coach that's going to say,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: lay it out and say, this is exactly what I'm
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: looking for in this type of player. Then it's on
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: the executive to find that player.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: But you have the parameters of the type of player
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: from the coach. So if the coach is asking for
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: a 260 pound edge setting outside linebacker, then don't draft
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: a 240 pound speed rusher, right? Like, you know, that's
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: the only sort of thing, but that's the collaboration. Like
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: that's the collective of it. Now, if you want to
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: say that they drafted Gabe Ackes and they should have
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: drafted this guy instead, that is in the similar mold
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: to Gabe Ackes. then we could get down to the
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: nitty-gritty of those specifics. But I think the setups that
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: work the best work like that. These are the schemes
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: we're running. These are the roles that we have for players.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: These are the players that fit those roles. Let's find
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: the best one that we can get.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: You know, that sort of thing. Last call here from,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: is this William in Philly? What's up, William?
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 11: What's going on, Evan? How you doing?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: Good.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 11: Hey, Alex, how you feeling?
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 8: Hey.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 11: All right. I have two things. I know y'all about
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 11: the closed shop. Why not? So let me just get
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 11: these two things. I was going to get one pushback
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 11: on the last caller, okay, and just a little bit
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 11: of what y'all said. My opinion is just if Mark
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 11: Wabel wasn't there, I don't think A.J. Brown or Kevin Biden,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 11: none of them would beat it because those are Mark
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 11: Wabel's bulls.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 11: I just, just to see one year long drafting that
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 11: alien Wolf did me and you didn't draft anything right.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 11: But a quarterback, I mean, Hey, I mean, Drake, man,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 11: I was, I wanted, I wanted Drake me from the rip.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 11: So I want to make that clear.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 11: But other than that, that's it. And, Evan, you co-signed
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 11: for Jalen Pope, too. I remember that because you was
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 11: high on him for whatever reason.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: Not me. No, you got the wrong one there.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 7: No, you haven't.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 11: Really haven't.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: Really. Okay.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 11: All right, my last question, and it is... for Alex. Alex, look,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 11: the 2027 draft class is coming, so can you just
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 11: give me just a little bit of a sneak peek
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 11: other than Edge? Can you give me two of the
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 11: positions that we need badly and what would be the names?
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 11: And I'll be right there, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, William. Thanks for the call. Now I'm a Jalen
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Polk guy.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: I guess. Well, all right, if you want to say,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: all right, well, Vrabel brought in a good player, you could...
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: Did they not invest more in Edge because Vrabel was
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: counting on Landry?
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: It's possible.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: And so that can go both ways too.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: You're going to post this on, we don't have a
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: ton of time.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: Just rip through some quick. It's a good slot receiver here.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: I was specifically looking because Pop Dog is in a
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: contract here. Wyatt Young, Oklahoma State. Isaiah Santega, Oklahoma. Brandon Innes,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: Ohio State. Eugene Wilson III, yes, the son of the
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: former Patriot safety, is at LSU. Jaden Greathouse at Evan's
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: favorite school, Notre Dame. Here, Evan, you tell me what
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: position you want. Guard, linebacker, corner, safety.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: Give me the linebacker.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: The linebackers.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: Fun linebacker class.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: You have 30 seconds.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Sammy Brown, Clemson, Chris Cole, Georgia, Ben Roberts, Texas Tech,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: Whit Weeks, LSU, Raylan Wilson, Georgia.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: You've been telling me about Whit Weeks for three years.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: Whit Weeks is just Robert Splane.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: You've been telling me about Whit Weeks for three years.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: I thought he was going to come out in the
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: draft and then he got hurt. Weeks can play, man.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: We got to wrap it up. Next week, we are
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: going to be on Tuesday because the game is on
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: a Wednesday, which is throwing everything off. So we'll be
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday next week at 10 a.m. before Patriots unfiltered.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: I will be remote. I'll be in Seattle for the game.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: So Alex is going to be here. I'll be in Seattle.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: But catch 22, 10 a.m. next Tuesday. Once we get
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: in season, we're going to be 10 a.m. on Wednesdays,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: and we're going to stay there for as long as
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: we possibly can.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: At least the first six weeks, then everything gets nuts.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a wacky schedule this year.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of travel, so just bear with
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: us in terms of that when that stuff comes up.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: But 10 a.m. next Tuesday for the live show, and
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: then 10 a.m. Wednesdays moving forward. Until then, Patriots unfiltered
• 2:00:30
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• 2:00:34
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• 2:00:38
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