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The Week That Was March 11 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. It's time for the week
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Speaker 1: that was, and the band is back together. Lea Fanocchiaro,
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Speaker 1: the Opposition lad, good morning.
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Speaker 2: To good morning Katie and to your listeners, Happy Friday.
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Speaker 1: And we've also got Natasha Files, the Health Minister, Good
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Speaker 1: morning to your files. Morning.
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Speaker 3: I feel like a first day at school.
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Speaker 1: Well, and then we've got Kisi Epuic and Kisi Epuric
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Speaker 1: good morning to you, Morning morning bush people, and of
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Speaker 1: course good morning to Tom Morgan from the NT News.
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Speaker 1: Now I do just want to point out that Kapuric
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Speaker 1: has brought in some sorts, some fighting.
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Speaker 4: Show and tell at school today. Can you hear them?
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Speaker 5: Tasha's first day? That's show and tell?
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Speaker 1: For me?
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Speaker 5: They're too antique sword because I thought Lea the Opposition
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Speaker 5: leader and Natasha being the minister, and they're sufficiently a
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Speaker 5: sword length apartment jewel going on this morning, Tony down Age,
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Speaker 5: I thought they'd best be equipped for this duel.
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Speaker 4: Though we didn't need.
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Speaker 3: You'll just use words as an ornament. Well, let's get
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Speaker 3: into it.
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Speaker 1: There is certainly so much to cover off on, as
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Speaker 1: I say every Friday, I think, but the Independent Commissioner
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Speaker 1: against Corruption has launched an investigation into the use of
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Speaker 1: TiO Stadium without an occupancy permit. Now the NT News
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Speaker 1: a report by Tom Morgan I'm reading from on the
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Speaker 1: same day. This is on the same day that the
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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Minister Evil Laula declared such a certification would not
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Speaker 1: be required for the facility. So in a government gazette
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Miss Laula said that the building would be
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Speaker 1: exempted from requiring an occupancy certification until the thirtieth of June. Tom,
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Speaker 1: I know that you contacted the KAC Commissioner, Michael Riches
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Speaker 1: and he has confirmed that he's launched this investigation on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: Can you explain to our listeners what exactly this means.
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Speaker 6: So every building in the territory, most buildings in the
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Speaker 6: territory in an occupancy permit. There's been trouble with too
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Speaker 6: Stadium being able to actually get an occupancy permit because
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Speaker 6: of some of the issue use around safety FIA safety.
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Speaker 7: I believe it is.
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Speaker 6: But nevertheless, games and what not have been going on.
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Speaker 6: People have been using the grandstand for various reasons and
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Speaker 6: that has potentially been in breach of the law.
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Speaker 7: It still isn't very clear right now.
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Speaker 6: Why the IKAK in particular has launched this investigation. What
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Speaker 6: we do know is on Wednesday, both the IKAK launched
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Speaker 6: an investigation and also Evil Lawla in the Infrastructure Minister
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Speaker 6: published a gazette basically exempting the stadium from needing. That
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Speaker 6: she has the ability to do that as the minister.
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Speaker 6: But whether or not the investigation is looking into what
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Speaker 6: Lawla has done, or whether it's looking into more broadly
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Speaker 6: the stadium's use, that is still a Christian out.
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Speaker 1: Stand I guess a lot of people listening this morning
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Speaker 1: will be thinking to themselves, well, why does TiO, Why
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Speaker 1: are they exempt from needing, you know, from needing this
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Speaker 1: occupancy certificate when others obviously do. But it is obviously
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Speaker 1: it's a stadium that's been in place for an incredibly
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Speaker 1: long period of time. I reckon a lot of people
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Speaker 1: try to wrap their heads around this this morning and
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Speaker 1: exactly what it means.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I want to just mentioned that the KAK
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Speaker 6: did say that they had been reassured by the government
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Speaker 6: that the stadium was safe to be used. I'm not
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Speaker 6: sure why then they wouldn't be able to get an
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Speaker 6: occupancy permit, but that's something.
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Speaker 2: To add as well, it's a double standard. Excuse me
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Speaker 2: it Sai, it's a double standard. I mean, what if
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Speaker 2: the government can't even have occupancy certificates for its own buildings,
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Speaker 2: yet we require every developer, everyone in the industry to
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Speaker 2: comply with the same go to the great expense of
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Speaker 2: that and the reality is back in August twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: Labor admitted that the TOO Stadium didn't have that occupancy permit.
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Speaker 2: One would assume that they would have been investing in whatever.
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what the infrastructure upgrades need
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Speaker 2: to be, but one would think since twenty twenty they'd
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Speaker 2: be getting on with that, and instead it seems Minnesola
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Speaker 2: has just given up and instead granted the stadium its
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Speaker 2: own certificate exemption.
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Speaker 1: So what exactly is the ic HA been looking into,
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Speaker 1: tom Like, has that been given much clarification?
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Speaker 6: I think the Kaks seemed to be that they seem
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Speaker 6: to love their own secrecy. They seemed to protect that
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Speaker 6: fairly closely. They don't like to say too much before
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Speaker 6: and before the findings of the investigation are released, so
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Speaker 6: I you know, what they said to me is that
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Speaker 6: they're not going to say anything further than what they've said, right.
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Speaker 5: I think there's there's there's history to the certification and
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Speaker 5: oquipacy permit, and it does go back of some five
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Speaker 5: or six years, and those who've been around long enough
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Speaker 5: will all call it all started when the Red Rooster
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Speaker 5: facility or franchise in ten and Creek, people just occupied
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Speaker 5: it even that wasn't complying, and as a consequence of that,
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Speaker 5: it just cascaded across the territory where it was discovered
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Speaker 5: that there was multiple, multiple buildings, both government owned and
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Speaker 5: leased and obviously commercial and domestic, that didn't have their
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Speaker 5: final certificate of occupancy. And there was lots of reasons
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Speaker 5: why some place doesn't. It's basically the final paperwork that,
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Speaker 5: as Tom said, allows someone to occupy our building or
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Speaker 5: a house or a shed or whatever. But this I think,
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Speaker 5: and I do recall that the Marara Stadium was part
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Speaker 5: of that package and there are other sporting facilities that
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Speaker 5: were caught up in it as well. And I think
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Speaker 5: Natasha quite lightly said the government did have a morettorium
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Speaker 5: and they kept extending the moratorium. It was eighteen months
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Speaker 5: and I think we went out pushed out about three
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Speaker 5: three or four years to enable people to get their
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Speaker 5: building or get the least building up to the particular
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Speaker 5: standar where it was legal on paper. But that's sort
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Speaker 5: of roughly the background. But I think what Tom's story
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Speaker 5: is about is why has Marara Stadium in all that
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Speaker 5: time not been brought up to to get it certificate.
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Speaker 5: It's basically still your completion.
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Speaker 7: I also been trying to get that certification.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, my understanding is there's been a new roof, there's
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Speaker 8: been fire rectifications, there's been multiple works out there, and
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Speaker 8: so they're working towards that process. This was something that
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Speaker 8: I mean, this facility was built in the early nineties.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know why when Fred Finch was
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Speaker 8: the minister that it wasn't given its occupancy certificate. We did,
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Speaker 8: as Kesier rightly said that Tenant Creek Red Ricester highlighted
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Speaker 8: the issue across the territory. There was that moratorium in place,
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Speaker 8: I think for quite a number of years. Giles lifted it.
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Speaker 8: Adam Giles lifted it in the end of his term
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Speaker 8: of government in twenty sixteen. So it was it's around
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Speaker 8: trying to say to people, just come forward, work with
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Speaker 8: us around your occupancy and so we can get that certificate.
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Speaker 8: But I'm not sure in terms of the Iykak. I
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Speaker 8: mean that would be a matter for them, and of
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Speaker 8: course we would cooperate.
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Speaker 2: I think we're clutching at Strells when we go back
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Speaker 2: and try and blame the late Fred Finch.
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Speaker 4: I mean, how ridiculous Labor lab.
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Speaker 2: I have been in power for seventeen of the last
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Speaker 2: twenty one years. Seventeen of the last twenty one years
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Speaker 2: have been a labor government. So I know you're happy
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Speaker 2: go to place to blame this, right, that is the truth.
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Speaker 4: That is the truth.
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Speaker 1: Nine years Sorry Tom, you go.
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Speaker 6: Well, can I just ask both Leah and Natasha would
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Speaker 6: you encourage people to still be going to games at
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Speaker 6: Marara Stadium?
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Speaker 8: Oh? I mean, and the facility has been in place
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Speaker 8: for thirty years. I think that, you know, I was
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Speaker 8: there a couple of weeks ago. I think that, of course,
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Speaker 8: safety always comes first for the community, so it was
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Speaker 8: early nineties that it was first open. Think it's a
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Speaker 8: safety you know. I think that OCCUPAC certificate is important.
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Speaker 8: I don't know why it wasn't issued at the time,
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Speaker 8: but certainly I know the Minister for Infrastructure has been
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Speaker 8: working to get all of those rectifications in place.
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Speaker 1: Lea, We do you still go go to games and
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Speaker 1: certain and different things Tigers.
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Speaker 5: Yes, still, I'd still recommend see in the last three years,
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Speaker 5: not only as they've been football and sporting matches there,
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Speaker 5: We've had concerts.
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Speaker 1: There, jenetty sorts of things.
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Speaker 5: And there is a catering business that is within the
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Speaker 5: complex that operates out of that complex. So you know
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of businesses and activity that's associated with
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Speaker 5: that stadium. And perhaps perhaps the Minister for Infrastructure has
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Speaker 5: done the declaration and I'm speculating to give some breathing
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Speaker 5: space to allow the Department of Infrastructure or the building
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Speaker 5: the building component of that department to get such that
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Speaker 5: it can get that final piece of paper. I don't know,
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Speaker 5: But go back to what Tom said, what exactly is
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Speaker 5: the IK investigating? I mean, they don't have to tell
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Speaker 5: what they're doing, but what are they investigating the Minister's
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Speaker 5: declaration and as.
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Speaker 6: Could be Section sixty six, which of the Building Acts
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Speaker 6: nineteen ninety three, which says a person may not promote
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Speaker 6: or conduct a public assembly in a place, building or
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Speaker 6: temporary structure unless an occupancy permit has been issued.
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Speaker 1: Well, right, and they go will you still attend events
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Speaker 1: there like football.
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Speaker 2: I love fo Yeah, I love going out to the
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Speaker 2: parmes and make bays, that's for sure. I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to watch you all lot playing attention. Will I would
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Speaker 2: still go, but I don't know enough about the detail
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Speaker 2: of the issue. But one thing's for sure is that
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Speaker 2: evil Ala has got a lot of questions to answer,
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Speaker 2: and it looks like the icas on top of that look.
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Speaker 1: One thing that I want to point out. I know
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Speaker 1: that they're very very separate issues. But to a lot
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Speaker 1: of people listening this morning, who've been listening to the
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Speaker 1: show all week, they will be thinking, well, how can
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Speaker 1: the government give themselves an occupancy, like give themselves an
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Speaker 1: exemption on this, when the likes of the Fanny bay
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Speaker 1: IgA can't get roll the doors on their building because
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Speaker 1: of you know, those.
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Speaker 4: Of the building requirements. That's exactly right.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of people listening are going to be going, well,
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Speaker 1: why is it okay for the government, but it's not
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Speaker 1: okay for us? And like I said, I know they're
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Speaker 1: really different situations. What's good for the goose, good for
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Speaker 1: the game?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the question. The other question perhaps to ask,
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Speaker 5: and perhaps the I might do this in The investigation
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Speaker 5: is are all the government buildings or government leased and
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Speaker 5: operated buildings, are they all compliant? Are all the schools compliant,
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Speaker 5: like of that whole big swag across the territory that
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Speaker 5: weren't compliant way back then. Have they all been brought
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Speaker 5: up to speed? Because if it's that section where you
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Speaker 5: said you cannot assemble unless you've got an occupancy certificate,
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Speaker 5: I mean all the schools had that health clinics built
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Speaker 5: in new areas, So maybe that's an issue that government
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Speaker 5: and agencies and industry is going to have to revision.
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Speaker 4: It is a double standard.
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Speaker 2: I mean, my electorate has got lots of new developments
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Speaker 2: and it so people can't move into their brand new,
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Speaker 2: shiny home even when it's finished and they're just like,
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Speaker 2: you know, absolutely it's excited to get in. They've got
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Speaker 2: a wait to get that certificate. You know, we ask
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Speaker 2: people to comply with the law. As a government, you've
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Speaker 2: got to be the model citizen and so you know
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Speaker 2: the fact that this is just continuing on requires further
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Speaker 2: explanation from the government.
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Speaker 1: Look, let's take a very short break. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: to cover off on this morning. You are listening to
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Speaker 1: mixweow four point nine. It is the week that was.
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Speaker 1: It is just on eighteen minutes after nine o'clock. It
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Speaker 1: is the week that was. Leofanocchiaro, Tom Morgan, Keesi, Epuric
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Speaker 1: and Natasha Files in the studio with us today. And
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Speaker 1: it has certainly been a massive week when you talk
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Speaker 1: about the news. So we know that earlier in the week,
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory man was allegedly trying to throw a spear
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Speaker 1: at police when an officer shot him, leaving the man
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Speaker 1: fighting for his life for more than twenty four hours afterwards.
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Speaker 1: Now we know that the Northern Territory Police Assistant Commissioner
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Speaker 1: Michael White said that officers were following a blood trail
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Speaker 1: in the suburb of Gray and Palmerston earlier this week
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Speaker 1: when they were confronted by a man armed with a spear.
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Speaker 1: I know that this is very much an active investigation,
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Speaker 1: as we've heard from the Territory Police all throughout the week,
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Speaker 1: but it was certainly something that concerned so many of
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Speaker 1: our listeners and unfortunately it's really just one of those
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Speaker 1: incidents that we learned about this week. We also spoke
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Speaker 1: to Mark Bland from Strikeforce Trident earlier in the week,
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Speaker 1: who'd told us of the arrest of fifteen youths aged
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Speaker 1: between twelve and seventeen following an alleged spate of violent
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Speaker 1: knife point robberies and other alleged defending. So he joined
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Speaker 1: us on the show and said that this crime spree
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Speaker 1: included some of the youths threatening two women with a
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Speaker 1: knife before Bistad has intervened and they ran away. I
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Speaker 1: know even the suburb of Nightcliffe was subjected to property offenses.
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Speaker 1: There has been a heck of a lot going on
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Speaker 1: when you talk about crime, whether you're talking about some
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Speaker 1: of the youth offending that we've seen, or whether you're
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Speaker 1: talking about that alcohol misuse. I know we spoke about
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Speaker 1: this last week as well, but it's certainly not going away.
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Speaker 2: In fact, it's escalated. I think you'd have to say
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Speaker 2: it's absolutely getting worse. And what we're seeing is this
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Speaker 2: extreme violent offending. You know, we're seeing offenders, even in
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Speaker 2: those really young age groups.
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Speaker 4: Carrying weapons.
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Speaker 2: I think we all have seen the footage of what
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Speaker 2: happened at the Fanny bay IgA recently, and of course
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Speaker 2: these offenses happening this week are terrifying. You know, we
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Speaker 2: send our police out to protect the community and protect
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Speaker 2: of course themselves, and when there's that level of violent offending,
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Speaker 2: it just goes back to this bigger concept that the
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Speaker 2: Gunner government have to address this issue.
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Speaker 4: They can't bury their head in the sand anymore.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was just in Alice Springs and crime
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Speaker 2: there under the Gunner government. House breakings have gone up
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Speaker 2: one hundred and five percent under the Gunner government in
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Speaker 2: Alice Springs, and ninety nine percent for commercial break.
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Speaker 4: Ins, and then the numbers are like that all over
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Speaker 4: the territory. It's horrifying.
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Speaker 2: But you know, this government need to acknowledge there's a
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Speaker 2: problem first, and they just refuse to. And if they're
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Speaker 2: not going to acknowledge as a problem, how can we
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Speaker 2: ever expect them to actually try and deal with it.
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Speaker 2: And in the meantime, people will be victimized at horrendous rates.
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Speaker 5: Katie, I can recall sitting in here a year ago.
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Speaker 5: They're about saying similar comments that it's scalating and it's
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Speaker 5: a matter of time before weapons are used or things
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Speaker 5: that looked like a weapon and confronting either the authorities
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Speaker 5: or each other. Now, this from the only from what
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Speaker 5: I've read in the media areas is that this area
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Speaker 5: appears to have very aggressive behavior, a weapon or an
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Speaker 5: alleged weapon of some kind. The police are already in
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Speaker 5: the area responding to something else, a domestic violence incident
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Speaker 5: apparently unrelated. But there was a big pool of blood
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Speaker 5: on a road and that doesn't come out of you know,
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Speaker 5: a little cut on your finger, so it comes out
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Speaker 5: of a fairly serious wound. And I'm I'm with Leah.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it is escalating and it is a matter
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Speaker 5: of time, and it's it's on our doorstep now. This
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Speaker 5: person has been has been injured, he's in hospital. There's
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Speaker 5: going to be a huge fallout from it, you know,
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Speaker 5: one way or the other, to get to the bottom
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Speaker 5: of why that person was there in the first place,
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Speaker 5: acting the way they were. And it is really it's
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Speaker 5: really hard. And we know about the Ija incident, sorry,
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Speaker 5: the funny bay Ij incident, and they're the ones we
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Speaker 5: see on social media. There's still a whole swag out
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Speaker 5: there that that you don't see, and that's that's the worry,
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Speaker 5: and that's concerned for people. And you know, I know
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Speaker 5: there's lots of talk about returning people to country and
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Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff, but they're probably not the
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Speaker 5: people perpetrating all these people actually live here.
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Speaker 7: What do you think is driving the increase though? Is it?
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Speaker 6: Is it youth recidivism or is it what? What do
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Speaker 6: you think is it?
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Speaker 5: Well, what's driving I think is a culture within a
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Speaker 5: certain area of our community, and alcohol clearly is one
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Speaker 5: of the major contributing factors. Low education is another, or
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Speaker 5: no education. We know that there's overcrowding in houses and
14:38
Speaker 5: units and things of that nature, espelcically for a lot
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Speaker 5: of cousins and relatives coming from out the bush. They
14:42
Speaker 5: will go and stay with family, but you know, it
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Speaker 5: almost seems like that it's expanding out of the city area.
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Speaker 5: Is like I referred last time I was here about
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Speaker 5: the incident of stabbing out at Yarrawonga that involved Aboriginal people.
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Speaker 5: From history, they've said they've been man and greeted people.
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Speaker 5: But again, the basis of at the foundation is excessive
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Speaker 5: and abuse of alcohol, not even drugs. To my way
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Speaker 5: of thinking, it's alcohol that's causing the issues. And at
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Speaker 5: any point of time they will be intoxicated, so they're
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Speaker 5: never sober up. They're always in toxicomty. And just see
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Speaker 5: how you get into trouble.
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Speaker 2: Idea on the stats alcohol related assaults when you compare
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen to twenty twenty one, So while Labor have
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Speaker 2: been in power, alcohol related assaults in Parmesan aer up
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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy percent. So you know, we've had
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Speaker 2: a Riley review, we've got a band drink of register,
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Speaker 2: we've got a minimum floor price.
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Speaker 4: It's clearly not working.
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Speaker 2: We haven't had reviews on the BDR or the minimum
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Speaker 2: floor price to see whether they're effective, how they can
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Speaker 2: be reviewed. You know the government needs to urgently pull
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Speaker 2: together all of the government and NGO sector that deliver
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Speaker 2: alcohol and other drug services and map how that service.
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Speaker 4: Delivery is going.
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Speaker 2: We need to have a very clear assessment of what's
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Speaker 2: working and what's not. I want the government to you know,
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Speaker 2: tell territories what consultation and work they've been doing with
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Speaker 2: communities to see which community want to move back to
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Speaker 2: community club models. You know, we've just got no transparency
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Speaker 2: over any of these alcohol issues, and all we ever
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Speaker 2: hear is oh, we've got the BDR and the seal people.
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Speaker 4: Have scrapped it.
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Speaker 2: Well, one hundred and seventy percent increase under Labour's watch
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Speaker 2: tells me that their measures aren't effective, which is the
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Speaker 2: BDR lead.
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Speaker 4: We would review it.
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Speaker 2: But you know, at one hundred and seventy percent increase,
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Speaker 2: how can you just set and forget these policies and
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Speaker 2: let them just continue.
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Speaker 1: I think that that's quite a distraction. Like I do
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Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, right now, Folsey,
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Speaker 1: you are obviously the minister that is responsible for that
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Speaker 1: alcohol policy, whether they're going to scrap it or whether
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Speaker 1: they would or was it. But there's so much that
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Speaker 1: there is so much that sort of at this point
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Speaker 1: in time, I think we need to be discussing rather
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Speaker 1: than what they would do if.
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Speaker 3: They're just a question. She was bringing it out, so
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Speaker 3: I just want.
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Speaker 4: To urgently review it. So Katie, it's a multifaceted approach.
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Speaker 8: There is a huge body of work, and I think
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Speaker 8: Easier and Tom raised a good point there. There is
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Speaker 8: all the work around the ancillary services to both police
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Speaker 8: and health that have to be in place, and we're
16:56
Speaker 8: of course investing in that, investing in housing, investing in education,
16:59
Speaker 8: investing in early childhood. But we've also put in place
17:02
Speaker 8: a number of programs. We've given police more resources, more
17:04
Speaker 8: police CCTV we've also made sure that we're supporting businesses.
17:08
Speaker 8: We've be secure in terms of alcohol policy. It's a
17:10
Speaker 8: difficult space, but we've tackled that issue head on. We
17:13
Speaker 8: have held the significant Riley Review and we've put measures
17:16
Speaker 8: in place, but we never stopped working in this space.
17:18
Speaker 1: Do you reckon we're seeing that increase then in the
17:21
Speaker 1: alcohol fueled violence.
17:23
Speaker 5: Yeah.
17:23
Speaker 3: Alcohol it's been a tricky one.
17:25
Speaker 8: We saw it increase with those payments in COVID early on,
17:28
Speaker 8: and we've seen it continue to increase and it's something
17:30
Speaker 8: that I've spoken with the Department of Health but also
17:33
Speaker 8: police and the NGO sector around what's happening there. We
17:36
Speaker 8: know that secondary supply has been an issue, and that's
17:38
Speaker 8: why we've given police more resources and powers in that
17:40
Speaker 8: space so that they can tackle it, stop the grog
17:43
Speaker 8: from getting to the people before they cause this harm.
17:45
Speaker 8: I think alcohol and communities is a big issue that
17:48
Speaker 8: we have been working on and we saw Nigel Scully
17:50
Speaker 8: and the CLP center to sit on his hands and
17:52
Speaker 8: refuse to provide liquor licenses to remote communities.
17:55
Speaker 3: And this is a difficult space.
17:57
Speaker 8: When you put a liquor license into a remote community,
18:00
Speaker 8: safety of that community has to be first, particularly women
18:02
Speaker 8: and children. But you can see success and you can
18:05
Speaker 8: see communities coming together and having leadership and coming up
18:08
Speaker 8: with a plant. Barunga just got a license. And what
18:11
Speaker 8: will happen is we'll have a transitional phase once stronger futures.
18:14
Speaker 8: So that was the federal intervention legislation was put in place.
18:17
Speaker 8: We'll have a transition phase. But we are having the discussion.
18:20
Speaker 8: We are working with communities to allow them to get
18:23
Speaker 8: liquor licenses. They of course have to go through the
18:26
Speaker 8: NTG liquor license process, and there's also an added layer
18:29
Speaker 8: of consultation.
18:29
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that, you know, if other communities are
18:33
Speaker 1: able to have small amounts of alcohol or if it's
18:36
Speaker 1: community led you do you think that that's going to
18:38
Speaker 1: actually make an impact here in town as well and
18:41
Speaker 1: an impact on some of that alcohol issues that we're
18:43
Speaker 1: seeing on the streets.
18:44
Speaker 8: So we want to have functioning remote communities. We want
18:46
Speaker 8: to have communities where people can work, they can study,
18:50
Speaker 8: they can raise their families, and they can relax and
18:52
Speaker 8: enjoy themselves. And so that is why I think it's
18:55
Speaker 8: important that we have a mature conversation with communities about
18:58
Speaker 8: alcohol that we don't just simply they know.
19:00
Speaker 1: And when will you be reviewing the BDR and when
19:03
Speaker 1: will you be reviewing some of those different policies to
19:05
Speaker 1: determine if they are actually working and what is working
19:09
Speaker 1: and what's not Because I think if there are things
19:11
Speaker 1: in place that aren't having an impact, well what's the
19:13
Speaker 1: point in having them.
19:14
Speaker 8: I think we're constantly reviewing our policies. We're constantly looking
19:17
Speaker 8: at what we can put in place. And it's not
19:19
Speaker 8: one measure, it's not one simple thing that's going to
19:21
Speaker 8: solve these issues. They all have a different level. The
19:24
Speaker 8: BDR keeps hundreds of people each day from purchasing our coal.
19:27
Speaker 8: We know that because there's many people that are banned
19:29
Speaker 8: and people still try and purchase our coal. But it's
19:31
Speaker 8: also the rehabilitation services, that therapeutic approach. But it's also
19:35
Speaker 8: making sure that there is the supply measures and the
19:37
Speaker 8: resources for police around that second base success on do
19:42
Speaker 8: you see the you know, like, if we have a
19:44
Speaker 8: reduction in alcohol fueled violence, would you see that as
19:48
Speaker 8: being as you know, being a contributing factor to one
19:51
Speaker 8: of those elements being a success? Because I think that
19:54
Speaker 8: right now, the question that people are asking, is they're going, Okay,
19:57
Speaker 8: we've got all these different measures in place, we are
20:00
Speaker 8: still seeing, like I don't know if you guys have
20:02
Speaker 8: seen or if our listeners have seen vision that emerged
20:04
Speaker 8: out of Valice Springs yesterday of fighting in the Todd
20:08
Speaker 8: Mall and there's.
20:08
Speaker 4: Little kids right there.
20:10
Speaker 3: So it's not just.
20:11
Speaker 1: An issue where you're seeing break ins, where you're seeing
20:14
Speaker 1: businesses disrupted, but you're also seeing you know, children exposed
20:19
Speaker 1: to domestic violence and some really terrible situations.
20:22
Speaker 8: Alcohol causes a significant amount of harm across our community
20:25
Speaker 8: is unacceptable and the long term consequences and it's not
20:28
Speaker 8: just one cohort of the community, Katie, it is across
20:32
Speaker 8: different aspects. You know, what can go on behind closed
20:34
Speaker 8: doors is just as horrific as what happens, you know,
20:37
Speaker 8: in public. And so I think we need to continue
20:40
Speaker 8: in this space working with NGOs and as I pointed
20:42
Speaker 8: to it, and I won't, in the sake of time go
20:44
Speaker 8: back over it, but there's multifaceted approach that needs to
20:47
Speaker 8: be in place, from the supply through to the rehabilitation
20:51
Speaker 8: and the therapeutic you know, in terms of alcohol, I
20:54
Speaker 8: mean it's a legal drug.
20:55
Speaker 3: And so we have to make sure that we provide
20:56
Speaker 3: it responsible for.
20:57
Speaker 1: People listening this morning who are thinking, then, why is
21:01
Speaker 1: the issue getting worse or seemingly getting worse?
21:04
Speaker 5: I think it's a it's a question, and there's probably
21:08
Speaker 5: many many answers. Why is it getting worse? Because it's
21:12
Speaker 5: like you get a fix at this particular level and
21:15
Speaker 5: then that doesn't that doesn't satisfy you anymore, so you
21:18
Speaker 5: have to go to the next level, whatever that is
21:20
Speaker 5: of extreme behavior. Now, for example, that the young people
21:23
Speaker 5: who broke into the IDA at Fanny Bay, they don't
21:27
Speaker 5: have the money in their pocket. They want it. They
21:29
Speaker 5: want the product to either consume themselves or to sell,
21:32
Speaker 5: so get money to consume something else. So they go.
21:35
Speaker 5: They keep ropchetting up the behavior. So why is it happening?
21:38
Speaker 5: It's a combination of things. I don't think there's any
21:40
Speaker 5: single factor you can point to, but I'd say there's
21:43
Speaker 5: there's definitely some cultural and some behavioral issues and attitude
21:46
Speaker 5: issues that are in the mix. Like you've got it,
21:48
Speaker 5: I want it, therefore I'm going to take it.
21:50
Speaker 2: But also there's no consequences, right, So that's that's part
21:54
Speaker 2: of the well. I'd love to know what happened to
21:55
Speaker 2: the people who break into the idea.
21:57
Speaker 4: You know, we never generally get to hear whatever happened.
22:00
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the same government who wants to
22:02
Speaker 2: raise the age of criminal responsibility, which means people under
22:05
Speaker 2: that age will never be able to be charged, never
22:07
Speaker 2: see the inside of a courtroom, never be held criminally responsible,
22:11
Speaker 2: even if they knew what they were doing and deliberately
22:13
Speaker 2: did it. So you know, it's fine to say these things, Natasha,
22:17
Speaker 2: but ultimately your government is presided over enormous increases in crime,
22:21
Speaker 2: enormous increases in alcohol related assaults. Domestic violence is up
22:25
Speaker 2: thirty eight percent across the Northern Territory.
22:27
Speaker 4: These are catastrophic figures.
22:29
Speaker 2: I mean when I was in Allis, just about every
22:31
Speaker 2: second person was saying to me crime, crime, crime, and
22:33
Speaker 2: this is why we're leaving and we can't have that.
22:36
Speaker 2: It's unsustainable crisis point levels.
22:39
Speaker 4: We need something desperately.
22:41
Speaker 2: People just want to see the government acknowledges a problem,
22:44
Speaker 2: outline its short, medium and long term plan so that
22:46
Speaker 2: everyone can have confidence something will be done.
22:48
Speaker 6: And can I just raise when there were youth bail
22:51
Speaker 6: law changes made last year the Police Minister came out
22:53
Speaker 6: and said a couple of weeks after, oh, we're seeing
22:56
Speaker 6: some green shoots. We're seeing some early signs of progress.
22:59
Speaker 6: If that's actually come to fruition or if this is
23:04
Speaker 6: if youth bail laws have failed to make any difference
23:07
Speaker 6: at all, there needs to be some answers.
23:09
Speaker 4: They're a total failure, total total.
23:12
Speaker 1: Will let yeah this on.
23:14
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're investing heavily in the root causes, as an
23:17
Speaker 8: I outlines before, but we're also identifying issues around working through.
23:21
Speaker 8: But in terms of those youth bail laws, be happy
23:23
Speaker 8: to go away and ask for the statistics around it.
23:25
Speaker 4: I've got them.
23:27
Speaker 7: Go ahead.
23:28
Speaker 2: You you were arrested one hundred and twenty two times.
23:33
Speaker 2: There were sixty two arrests where a youth offender was
23:35
Speaker 2: on bail already at the time of that arrest, and
23:38
Speaker 2: then forty four of those went on to get bailed again.
23:41
Speaker 2: So this is someone's been arrested and bowed.
23:43
Speaker 3: But decision police then no, no, of course you're not
23:48
Speaker 3: knowing the decisions and going to.
23:50
Speaker 2: Us cut me wrong and misleading the police and the
23:53
Speaker 2: judgistic purpose. This comes out of government. Government sent me
23:57
Speaker 2: these statistics. I did not make them they are in
23:59
Speaker 2: written questions. The laws at the police and the courts
24:02
Speaker 2: have to implement the law. So this is your legal
24:06
Speaker 2: framework that is permitting the revolving door of val Your
24:08
Speaker 2: own statistics which come from government speak for themselves.
24:11
Speaker 1: Look, I think at the moment what we can all
24:13
Speaker 1: agree on, and I know that very often our listeners
24:15
Speaker 1: get quite frustrated hearing this conversation when it comes to
24:18
Speaker 1: to certainly to youth crime and also to the alcohol
24:21
Speaker 1: misuse that we're seeing at the moment. And I think
24:24
Speaker 1: the reason for that is because it feels in a
24:26
Speaker 1: lot of ways that some of this behavior has just
24:29
Speaker 1: become acceptable, Like we've just gone okay, well, we're going
24:32
Speaker 1: to see youths allegedly holding up two elderly women at
24:37
Speaker 1: knife point throughout the northern suburbs during the week, and
24:41
Speaker 1: we report on it. You know, we all agree that
24:43
Speaker 1: it's not okay, and then nothing happens. And I think
24:46
Speaker 1: that this is where people are feeling incredibly frustrated and
24:49
Speaker 1: they're feeling really disheartened. And then you look on the
24:52
Speaker 1: streets and you're seeing that image that we saw, you know,
24:55
Speaker 1: from outside the Fanny Bay IgA last week, where there's
24:58
Speaker 1: the brawl outside. Then you're seeing that imagery from Alice
25:01
Speaker 1: Springs throughout this week and you're seeing little kids there
25:05
Speaker 1: while there's a brawl happening, and we're all just thinking
25:09
Speaker 1: to ourselves at Wark we go against yes, and at
25:12
Speaker 1: what point is something going to change? And I don't
25:14
Speaker 1: think that there's a lack of will or a lack
25:17
Speaker 1: of want for you know, for that change. But I
25:20
Speaker 1: think the political games have got to stop as well.
25:23
Speaker 1: To some degree, we've just got to go, do you
25:25
Speaker 1: know what, We've got a problem, let's bloody sort this
25:28
Speaker 1: out well.
25:29
Speaker 7: We then needs to be bipartisan.
25:30
Speaker 4: Yes, we're very happy to.
25:32
Speaker 2: We've put up our own legislation which has been rejected.
25:35
Speaker 2: I know, Yingam Mark Goola has tried to put in
25:37
Speaker 2: place a select committee of the Parliament to look at
25:40
Speaker 2: this issue, which we supported, Government voted down. We've put
25:44
Speaker 2: forward a number of policies and solutions. We talk about
25:46
Speaker 2: it during question time, we talk about it in motions
25:48
Speaker 2: in the Parliament. We are happy to sit at that table,
25:51
Speaker 2: but Government don't want us.
25:53
Speaker 1: There is that true filesy.
25:55
Speaker 3: No, I disagree. I mean Lee's just been created a
25:57
Speaker 3: political tell me to day.
25:59
Speaker 1: Daytime and let it finish and will do you guys
26:03
Speaker 1: want them.
26:03
Speaker 5: There so the table with you.
26:05
Speaker 8: So in terms of addressing these issues, it is going
26:08
Speaker 8: to take that answer.
26:10
Speaker 3: Of course, we work cross the community.
26:14
Speaker 8: We also need the leader of the opposition to not
26:16
Speaker 8: come in here and just sprout statistics to try and
26:18
Speaker 8: paint the negative picture, because.
26:19
Speaker 3: We know that's all she does. And so for us, we're.
26:22
Speaker 8: Working really hard on this, not only with police but
26:26
Speaker 8: in the other areas. And it's some of the areas
26:29
Speaker 8: that won't grab the headlines that aren't as glamorous that
26:31
Speaker 8: long term investment that takes effort and many many years
26:35
Speaker 8: to drive that change. But we're certainly putting in place
26:38
Speaker 8: the short term measures, you know, things such as the
26:40
Speaker 8: bees secure and looking at that, and that's something that's
26:42
Speaker 8: under review because we know with a number of businesses
26:45
Speaker 8: there's some elements there that could be rectified that would
26:48
Speaker 8: be more supportive. But also making sure that those other
26:51
Speaker 8: things that don't necessarily grab the headlines are in place
26:54
Speaker 8: so we can see safe community very.
26:56
Speaker 1: Quick one with that be secure with the businesses who
27:00
Speaker 1: were unable to get roller shutters or roller doors on
27:03
Speaker 1: their businesses, can there be a rethink here or is
27:06
Speaker 1: there able to be some look into this to help
27:08
Speaker 1: them out.
27:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, Katy, you asked me about that earlier in the week.
27:11
Speaker 8: It's around a fire safety issue, so of course we
27:13
Speaker 8: need to make sure that there is OH and s
27:16
Speaker 8: in buildings. But I think that we have to be
27:18
Speaker 8: practical in a solution to protect those businesses.
27:20
Speaker 3: So I understand that that work is underway well.
27:22
Speaker 1: And if we can do it for TiO Stadium, surely
27:25
Speaker 1: we can find some kind.
27:26
Speaker 4: Of Surely it's a nonsense.
27:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, someone's broken into a premises. Is they've left a
27:30
Speaker 5: hole in a window or a door, Go back out,
27:32
Speaker 5: go back out that way. One that's not rocket sized.
27:35
Speaker 1: One very quick one from one of our listeners saying,
27:38
Speaker 1: Hi Katie. As sad as the recent incident is for
27:41
Speaker 1: all involved, I think your listeners would like to hear
27:43
Speaker 1: how that young man is today. Do we have any
27:46
Speaker 1: idea of an update on his status? I don't know,
27:49
Speaker 1: but I will try and find out. Tom. I'm not
27:50
Speaker 1: sure if you've got an update at all her this morning. No.
27:53
Speaker 6: The word yesterday was he was still in a critical condition. Yeah,
27:55
Speaker 6: but he was he was doing better than what he'd
27:58
Speaker 6: been doing.
27:58
Speaker 7: Initially.
27:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a very short break. You
28:01
Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine three
28:03
Speaker 1: sixty is the week that was very busy morning in
28:05
Speaker 1: here in the studio with us for the week that
28:07
Speaker 1: was Leofanoccio, Tom Morgan, Kisiopuric and Natasha Files. Now, the
28:12
Speaker 1: issue that has everybody pretty concerned right now is these
28:14
Speaker 1: fuel prices in the territory. They're expected to surge further,
28:18
Speaker 1: with the cost of unleaded ninety one jumping up to
28:22
Speaker 1: two dollars twenty a liter interstate, and we're not far
28:25
Speaker 1: behind to give you an update on today's prices unleaded
28:29
Speaker 1: well from two dollars and three up to two dollars
28:32
Speaker 1: and nine, diesel from two dollars three to two dollars eighteen. Now,
28:38
Speaker 1: this is something that we spoke to the Transport Association's
28:41
Speaker 1: Louise Blato about yesterday and she said with the rising
28:44
Speaker 1: cost of fuel and diesel likely to get it is
28:47
Speaker 1: likely to go up to as high as three dollars
28:49
Speaker 1: per liter, is what they're concerned about. That transport companies
28:53
Speaker 1: are making decisions on what's important to transport and also
28:58
Speaker 1: you know what it's going to mean for those different businesses. Tom,
29:02
Speaker 1: I know that you interviewed her as well. I think
29:03
Speaker 1: it's it's a concern right now, and.
29:05
Speaker 6: I think it's it's going to cause a lot of
29:06
Speaker 6: people to tighten their belts at a time when you'd
29:09
Speaker 6: expect people to be starting to spend more after the pandemic.
29:13
Speaker 6: It's going to hit a lot of businesses a lot harder.
29:15
Speaker 6: I think that you know, when we're three dollars a
29:17
Speaker 6: later diesel, it's going to have a huge impact on
29:21
Speaker 6: not just fuel but also groceries and central so they.
29:26
Speaker 4: Have to pass the costs on.
29:27
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a plumbing business and you've got
29:29
Speaker 2: ten vans on the road, I mean that's going to
29:31
Speaker 2: add extraordinary amounts.
29:32
Speaker 4: You know you can't, but you're right.
29:35
Speaker 5: And potentially have a huge impact on our great nomads
29:37
Speaker 5: And at a time we were just have them coming
29:39
Speaker 5: to the territory and predominantly they are diesel, but not exclusively.
29:44
Speaker 7: And Joyce is up.
29:47
Speaker 2: But if it's going to be three dollars a leader
29:50
Speaker 2: in town, what's it going to be a bit down
29:53
Speaker 2: the Stewart Highway.
29:54
Speaker 7: You know, you told me this morning that it was
29:56
Speaker 7: three dollars a leater in some commitment, but also.
29:58
Speaker 5: The power generation. You know a lot of the Aboriginal
30:01
Speaker 5: communities run on diesel power, and so do cattle stations
30:05
Speaker 5: people out bush so past they will pass the cost on.
30:09
Speaker 5: It's just the cost of doing business will be more,
30:11
Speaker 5: and then that will be passed on to us to consumers.
30:13
Speaker 5: So we and ourselves may then make choices. Will I
30:16
Speaker 5: take a long drive down to I don't know, let's
30:18
Speaker 5: say Adelaide River or go down to them lovely Mango
30:21
Speaker 5: Cafe down at Marrachai and people might say, oh, I'm
30:24
Speaker 5: not this week because I can't afford to fill up
30:26
Speaker 5: the tank because I've got to run those kids around.
30:27
Speaker 5: So people will then start to make choices. It's like
30:30
Speaker 5: any cost you, any budget in the household, it's going
30:33
Speaker 5: to pass. But I'm worried about the hospitality of the
30:35
Speaker 5: tourism to the manager.
30:39
Speaker 1: I spoke to the manager yesterday of the Big four
30:42
Speaker 1: Holiday Park in Hidden Valley. Danniella called through and she
30:45
Speaker 1: said that those fuel prices were going to be devastating
30:47
Speaker 1: for that business because very much they rely on the
30:50
Speaker 1: drive market plaza. You know that as a tourism Minister,
30:52
Speaker 1: it's going to have a hit.
30:53
Speaker 6: Yeah.
30:53
Speaker 8: Of course we're continuing to keep a close eye on
30:56
Speaker 8: those petrol prices and making sure that they're as low
30:58
Speaker 8: as possible. But we've seen, you know, not just here
31:00
Speaker 8: in the territory but around Australia and the world those
31:02
Speaker 8: significant increases and for us, particularly to pick up on
31:05
Speaker 8: Tom's point post pandemic, we'll particularly focused.
31:09
Speaker 3: On that drive market.
31:10
Speaker 8: We know that that's where people want to take their
31:12
Speaker 8: holidays and travel, so we certainly will be making sure
31:16
Speaker 8: we can do everything we can, but it's a difficult
31:18
Speaker 8: issue for many territories.
31:19
Speaker 1: To take get through.
31:20
Speaker 5: Katie just just on foot. Because this involves LEA and
31:22
Speaker 5: the CLP, we also need to look at the federal
31:24
Speaker 5: government and the fuel excise. Now I think Lea's had
31:26
Speaker 5: discussions with the com.
31:28
Speaker 1: And we.
31:30
Speaker 5: I've got to seriously look at that because that will
31:32
Speaker 5: help us.
31:33
Speaker 6: But that's like the rate at which fuel has gone
31:36
Speaker 6: up in just the last week. It's the leader, which
31:40
Speaker 6: is what the fuel excise is already.
31:42
Speaker 1: Just even when you look at the terminal gate price today,
31:44
Speaker 1: so for Darwin today on Monday this week, it was
31:47
Speaker 1: at a dollar eighty two point five today at the
31:50
Speaker 1: terminal gate it's two dollars. So that's that's the woy.
31:53
Speaker 1: You even get to the bowser now then you go
31:55
Speaker 1: to your diesel price on Monday at dollar eighty three
31:58
Speaker 1: today it's two dollars for in point three.
32:01
Speaker 5: Well maybe the astronomical has to be cut by fifty
32:03
Speaker 5: percent to help. I don't know, because it's regional. It's
32:06
Speaker 5: regional Australia.
32:07
Speaker 1: It's going to point though to me yesterday as well,
32:09
Speaker 1: by the I A N T that that you know,
32:12
Speaker 1: even if you cut that fuel excise, that money is
32:14
Speaker 1: then reinvested into our roads infrastructures. Right, So what kind
32:18
Speaker 1: of impact then is it going to have, particularly post
32:21
Speaker 1: flooding and that.
32:22
Speaker 7: Kind of the fuel consumption.
32:25
Speaker 6: What it will help help us do is transition quicker
32:28
Speaker 6: to renewables. I think your electric vehicles will suddenly become
32:31
Speaker 6: a lot more attractive.
32:32
Speaker 1: To a just a bit cheaper.
32:34
Speaker 8: I was going to say, And there's some of the
32:38
Speaker 8: sorry to cut you off there, Tom, some of the
32:40
Speaker 8: carmakers are really looking at bringing that price down and
32:43
Speaker 8: getting some of these.
32:43
Speaker 6: Someone also mentioned diesel generators in communities. That's another thing
32:47
Speaker 6: that the government do have territory. Government do have some
32:50
Speaker 6: power over is maybe using.
32:52
Speaker 3: Some and we've also online war.
32:53
Speaker 8: In my younger I think it's got the first Definitely,
32:56
Speaker 8: none of these is going to help people today to
32:58
Speaker 8: next week, next month.
32:59
Speaker 4: Or at the end of the year.
33:00
Speaker 6: Unfortunately related to Ukraine and how can the territory go.
33:05
Speaker 1: And look, the point is not lost on me that
33:07
Speaker 1: it is related to Russia and the Ukraine. And I
33:10
Speaker 1: know that a lot of people. Even yesterday, I'd said,
33:11
Speaker 1: you know, Katie, yep, it's terrible that our petrol prices
33:14
Speaker 1: are high, but think of what's happening over in the Ukraine.
33:17
Speaker 1: And I do one hundred percent agree with that, but
33:20
Speaker 1: I relative, it is relative. However, if you're trying to
33:23
Speaker 1: pay your bills, it's bloody hard.
33:25
Speaker 2: And I think one of the issues is in the
33:27
Speaker 2: territory we don't have a sophisticated public transport network, that's right,
33:30
Speaker 2: and of course with assaults on our bus network and
33:33
Speaker 2: crime and our bus network as high as it is,
33:35
Speaker 2: people are.
33:36
Speaker 4: Very reluctant sometimes to travel.
33:39
Speaker 2: But as the pressure comes on, people will be having
33:41
Speaker 2: to look at other alternatives. And so it's really incumbent
33:44
Speaker 2: upon government to you know, we might need to be
33:47
Speaker 2: putting on extra buses, We might need to be looking
33:49
Speaker 2: at extra public health, public safety offices so that we
33:52
Speaker 2: can make sure our transport networks are as efficient as
33:54
Speaker 2: possible so that people can still get to work. I mean,
33:56
Speaker 2: the last thing we want to see is people not
33:58
Speaker 2: being able to afford to go to work and get
33:59
Speaker 2: the kids to school.
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Speaker 6: I agree with Lea because I had to take the
34:02
Speaker 6: bus for a few months when I first got to
34:04
Speaker 6: dh And a year ago, and the bus is only
34:06
Speaker 6: in peak hour run every half an hour. Now in Brisbane,
34:09
Speaker 6: where I used to live prior to being in Darwin, Ye,
34:12
Speaker 6: they are every five ten minutes. People have to wait
34:16
Speaker 6: a lot easier to get to work and to get
34:18
Speaker 6: to Nightcliff. To get from Nightcliff to the city take
34:21
Speaker 6: forty minutes by bus, which is far too long.
34:23
Speaker 2: If you live in Humpty Deer, you've got no chance
34:25
Speaker 2: you start.
34:27
Speaker 4: You'd be walking camp back in the week.
34:30
Speaker 6: As an argument, the public transport should be expanded, especially
34:33
Speaker 6: now when people may be looking for an alternative too.
34:35
Speaker 1: And it's very much something that we're hearing on the
34:37
Speaker 1: text line even you know, throughout this morning and yesterday morning.
34:40
Speaker 1: A lot of people getting in contact saying how much
34:43
Speaker 1: extra it's going to cost them every week and the
34:45
Speaker 1: impact it's going to have on their family budgets. And
34:47
Speaker 1: I know, obviously, if you can take that public transport,
34:51
Speaker 1: or if you're in a situation where you can hide,
34:53
Speaker 1: you drive or whatever, definitely do it. But you know
34:55
Speaker 1: what if you've got three kids and you're trying to
34:57
Speaker 1: transport them to school or to support me, all of
35:02
Speaker 1: you tying your bikes together and riding, but sometimes there's
35:05
Speaker 1: just no time, so it's hard.
35:07
Speaker 5: Katie down, it might be. I mean, I know people
35:09
Speaker 5: can't pool already, but that just might be one of
35:11
Speaker 5: the ways that people will try and help each other.
35:14
Speaker 5: And I do see the park and ride a cooler linga.
35:17
Speaker 5: Yeah it doesn't also cars there most mornings. But you're right.
35:21
Speaker 5: I mean, it's fine to say increase the public transport
35:23
Speaker 5: for the urban areas, but the ruler like a rural
35:26
Speaker 5: public transport, and.
35:27
Speaker 2: Your kids can't, you know, not necessarily catch a bus
35:30
Speaker 2: to soccer or you know. I mean, there's just some
35:31
Speaker 2: practical limitations to our system.
35:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to take a very short Oh well,
35:36
Speaker 1: someone's just texted and said trades can't use public transport
35:39
Speaker 1: that run from Gazer and Parmeston. So it is like
35:41
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that it's all part of
35:43
Speaker 1: that conversation. You know, there does need to be options
35:46
Speaker 1: for people. And I know Dion, one of our listeners,
35:48
Speaker 1: had called through yesterday and he said, Katie, we've got
35:50
Speaker 1: to be doing more to be self sufficient when it
35:53
Speaker 1: comes to our you know in Australia, when it comes
35:55
Speaker 1: to our petrol, also when it comes to our renewables,
35:57
Speaker 1: with everything, we've got to be a bit more self
35:59
Speaker 1: sufficient and so that when there is this volatility, we
36:02
Speaker 1: don't feel it so much.
36:03
Speaker 6: It's not just going to hit people when they fill
36:05
Speaker 6: up at the petrol bowser.
36:06
Speaker 7: Who's going to hit people when they go fight everything?
36:09
Speaker 2: Everything everything atile, Cosmo, broccoli will costmore meets, you name it.
36:14
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a very short break. You
36:15
Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four point nine three sixty.
36:18
Speaker 1: It is the week that was the other big announcement yesterday.
36:21
Speaker 1: Now this was a federal announcement made by the Prime
36:23
Speaker 1: Minister Scott Morrison in terms of bolstering our defense in
36:28
Speaker 1: well right around Australia essentially, so we've got a situation
36:31
Speaker 1: now where nearly one thousand more defense workers are going
36:34
Speaker 1: to be stationed in the Northern Territory by twenty forty.
36:38
Speaker 1: It is under this new plan to expand Australia's military
36:41
Speaker 1: capabilities in coming decades. So the Prime Minister and also
36:45
Speaker 1: the Defense Minister, Peter Dutton, announced yesterday that it's going
36:49
Speaker 1: to be achieved by expanding the ranks of the ADF
36:52
Speaker 1: by eighteen five hundred positions, costing about thirty eight billion dollars,
36:58
Speaker 1: and he said that the first prime already of the
37:00
Speaker 1: government is to keep Australian safe and do what we need,
37:04
Speaker 1: or sorry, and do what we need, which is a
37:05
Speaker 1: bigger ADF with more soldiers, sailors and airmen and women
37:08
Speaker 1: to operate the cutting edge capabilities that we're getting to
37:11
Speaker 1: protect Australia. Now. The interesting part of this announcement, I
37:14
Speaker 1: think is that we talk so much about the Northern
37:17
Speaker 1: Territory's strategic importance, how important we are in so many ways.
37:21
Speaker 1: But I think we've all heard over the last few
37:23
Speaker 1: weeks as well, particularly when you reflect on the bombing
37:26
Speaker 1: of Darwin, about how vulnerable we are in the Northern
37:29
Speaker 1: Territory as well. But then to think that some locations,
37:33
Speaker 1: some states are getting you know, more ct more than us,
37:38
Speaker 1: like the ACT getting more than us, I think it's
37:39
Speaker 1: a bit ridiculous, isn't.
37:41
Speaker 2: I think this is a but I mean, put it
37:43
Speaker 2: into context. This is an enormous win for US. I literally,
37:47
Speaker 2: I mean every time I speak to my federal colleagues
37:50
Speaker 2: in Canberra, I asked for more troops on the ground
37:52
Speaker 2: in Darwin. I met with Peter Dutton last week and
37:54
Speaker 2: I said, Peter, I only have one message, send more
37:57
Speaker 2: troops to Darwin.
37:58
Speaker 4: You know, we need them for so many any reasons.
38:00
Speaker 2: So to have a thousand boots on the ground, that's
38:03
Speaker 2: a thousand houses. A lot of them will have partners
38:06
Speaker 2: or spouses. That's someone else in our workforce campaign.
38:11
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
38:12
Speaker 4: I believe in them so passionately.
38:14
Speaker 2: It is something I have fought for for so long.
38:17
Speaker 2: That's more kids in our schools, that's more people playing sport,
38:20
Speaker 2: that's more people buying from the shops.
38:23
Speaker 4: The flowing impact.
38:24
Speaker 1: Is I can't wrap my head around why the ACT,
38:27
Speaker 1: for example, is getting more than US or South Australia
38:30
Speaker 1: when you talk about you know, just to put this
38:32
Speaker 1: in context, as well. We interview I interviewed Brian Winsby,
38:35
Speaker 1: the one hundred year old, you know, the veteran who
38:39
Speaker 1: obviously was here for the bombing of Darwin, and he said,
38:42
Speaker 1: at the time that Darwin was bombed, there was egg
38:44
Speaker 1: on the faces of our politicians because we were not
38:47
Speaker 1: prepared for it. And look, I'm not trying to fear
38:50
Speaker 1: amonger or anything like that, but we're seeing the uncertainty.
38:53
Speaker 1: That's right, We're seeing uncertainty right around the world at
38:55
Speaker 1: the moment. If we think that China is not going
38:57
Speaker 1: to try and flex their muscles in some way, I
39:00
Speaker 1: think that we've got another thing.
39:01
Speaker 2: Don't think the fact but defense has changed a lot,
39:05
Speaker 2: so it's not you know, necessarily you've got to think
39:09
Speaker 2: there will be these crazy missiles they have now that
39:12
Speaker 2: you know they could be sitting in Canberra and targeting
39:14
Speaker 2: ships in our harbor or whatever it might be. You know,
39:16
Speaker 2: the sophistication of the technology is also there. I would
39:19
Speaker 2: love to see plenty more troops come, don't get me wrong,
39:22
Speaker 2: but I think comparing us to other jurisdictions where there's
39:25
Speaker 2: millions more people is probably a bit cheeky. I think
39:27
Speaker 2: we should be extremely hasty within the thousand, and that's
39:31
Speaker 2: going to have a huge impact for our economy and society.
39:34
Speaker 6: Two seven hundred employees based out of Canberra will all
39:37
Speaker 6: be trips so or do you think some of them
39:39
Speaker 6: will be?
39:39
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.
39:40
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if they if they're frontline, if they're
39:42
Speaker 2: back of house, if they support, if they're civilians. If
39:45
Speaker 2: that's a thousand more people coming to Darwin who are
39:48
Speaker 2: connected to defense, that's probably three or four thousand people
39:51
Speaker 2: in our community.
39:52
Speaker 4: That is genuine population growth.
39:54
Speaker 2: It's great for our society, for our community and for
39:57
Speaker 2: our economy.
39:57
Speaker 7: Looks us Rich twenty thirty.
39:59
Speaker 8: Do I think it's an important point And it was
40:01
Speaker 8: Kim Beasley way back in the eighties that looked at
40:04
Speaker 8: the strategic investment in the North and you have seen
40:06
Speaker 8: that degraded by previous governments and it's really important that
40:10
Speaker 8: we do have that infrastructure and those troops based here
40:13
Speaker 8: in Northern Australia, not just you know, because we of
40:16
Speaker 8: course want them here, but it is very strategic when
40:18
Speaker 8: you look at as we were just talking about China and.
40:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, see it's one thing. I mean, if they're investing
40:24
Speaker 5: in the North, grade we all support that, But if
40:26
Speaker 5: it's I think it should be more than just personnel.
40:29
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, does the need to be a new
40:32
Speaker 5: infrastructure developed, not necessarily Robertson UMI barriers or timber Creek
40:38
Speaker 5: what is it called Bradshaw stations? Should there be more,
40:41
Speaker 5: should be expanding Bradshaw expanding Delamere or should they investing
40:45
Speaker 5: in a new facility somewhere which takes years because you've
40:48
Speaker 5: got acquire land, et cetera, etcetera, go through Senate estimates committees.
40:51
Speaker 5: So I mean, I think it's if they're investing in
40:54
Speaker 5: the North, that's good because we are exposed. It's one
40:56
Speaker 5: hour they need to invest in ours flight. Yeah, Like, honestly,
41:00
Speaker 5: I think we hear. I totally take on board what
41:03
Speaker 5: everyone's saying.
41:03
Speaker 1: But I think when we talk about the strategic importance
41:06
Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, I don't know how many times
41:08
Speaker 1: you guys have heard that. I know I've heard it
41:10
Speaker 1: an awful lot of times. And then you think about
41:13
Speaker 1: where we are, you think about exactly where we're based.
41:16
Speaker 3: I think we are so incredibly.
41:18
Speaker 1: Important to see.
41:19
Speaker 2: But that's why there's eight billion dollars to be spent
41:22
Speaker 2: in the territory over the next probably eight years, I
41:25
Speaker 2: think it is. Now. You know, we've seen huge upgrades
41:27
Speaker 2: in laric here Tindall is going berserk, So eight billion
41:30
Speaker 2: dollars is nothing to sneeze out.
41:31
Speaker 4: And the work is trickling down.
41:32
Speaker 2: You know, when you talk to the local guys, they're
41:35
Speaker 2: all seeing that defense work trickling. If they're not getting
41:38
Speaker 2: defense work, they're picking up the work from the people
41:40
Speaker 2: who have diverted to defense.
41:41
Speaker 4: So it's having a profound impact.
41:43
Speaker 2: And then at a thousand, you know, bums on seats
41:46
Speaker 2: basically and we're laughing.
41:47
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe, I mean, the conwealth still owns the Cooondi land.
41:50
Speaker 5: We know that antigunment doesn't know it. It hasn't started
41:53
Speaker 5: proper negotiations yet, so maybe the Commonal Department of Finance
41:57
Speaker 5: needs to relook at that. And perhaps they need to
41:59
Speaker 5: hang on to Koundi Land because it's a big chunk
42:00
Speaker 5: of land. And the other thing is maybe there's infrastructure
42:03
Speaker 5: potential out of the massive telecommunications based out on the
42:07
Speaker 5: Atom Highway that's com off land on the left just
42:09
Speaker 5: before the Adelaide River. So there's huge scope in the
42:12
Speaker 5: top end for future development of military facilities.
42:15
Speaker 6: And part of this announcement is to cater for the
42:18
Speaker 6: new ORCHUS agreement that we have with the United States
42:21
Speaker 6: and the United Kingdom, which we'll see the ADF get
42:25
Speaker 6: nuclear submarines. I wonder if we'll be a potential docking point.
42:30
Speaker 1: Well, sharplift twins our shiplift. Do we need the shiplift
42:33
Speaker 1: to be able to do that?
42:34
Speaker 5: I don't submarines, Yeah, I'm not sure.
42:37
Speaker 1: So you don't need we'll submarine facilities you need there's
42:40
Speaker 1: a submarine of shiplift as well.
42:42
Speaker 5: Is a submarine? Is a submarine a ship?
42:44
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert in this space, as you
42:46
Speaker 1: can tell. A ship lifts going to be built.
42:52
Speaker 3: Ah that on Chestnut has just given me the micbag.
42:57
Speaker 2: Lives and saving jobs to build a ship left k
42:59
Speaker 2: come now that would.
43:00
Speaker 3: Be discussed that next week. All right, we better wrap up.
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Speaker 1: Leafancio, the opposition leader, thank you so much for your
43:08
Speaker 1: time this morning.
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Speaker 4: Thanks everyone, have a lovely weekend.
43:10
Speaker 1: Tom Morgan, the anti news political reporter, thanks so much
43:13
Speaker 1: for your time this morning.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Keezier Puic the.
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Speaker 5: Independent paper for going to thank you, Katie. And there's
43:18
Speaker 5: hardly any scratches on the yesh you give the swords back.
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Speaker 1: this week.
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