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The Greater Israel Project is Harming Multipolarity | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This this germ warfare, the battle of ideas,
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Speaker 1: really interesting substack about the grad Israel project. I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna pull it up here so because it's I mean,
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Speaker 1: whenever I speak to you, it's like I need to
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Speaker 1: have huge amounts of notes because you like this wealth
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Speaker 1: of information and I can't remember everything. But let's just
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Speaker 1: quickly get the macro picture. You're essentially arguing, if I'm correct,
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Speaker 1: that the Greater Israel project is hindering.
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Speaker 2: The yeah, multiple undeniable.
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Speaker 1: As, causing it to slow down of this Israel idea.
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Speaker 3: And I think that it's always been based upon a
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Speaker 3: concept of creating a more divided Eurasian land mass. It
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Speaker 3: goes back well over a century as far as the
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Speaker 3: British Empire looking upon this very strategic geographical zone on
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Speaker 3: the world map and seeing that this is where the
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Speaker 3: civilizations of the world tend to intersect. And it has
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Speaker 3: been known for millennia that whoever can control this region
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Speaker 3: can control the general ability to prevent the dangerous convergence
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Speaker 3: of civilizational forces Persia, Asia, China, Russia, Africa, Europe in
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Speaker 3: this very strategic pivot zone. So if you're somebody who
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Speaker 3: really loves humanity and cares about freedom and the future
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Speaker 3: and avoiding war. Then this region is extremely important for
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Speaker 3: a different set of reasons because it is the core
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Speaker 3: of the Silk Road, the ancient Silk Road of the
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Speaker 3: Han dynasty, and that was revived under the Tang dynasty,
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Speaker 3: and that played such a big role with the Muslim, Carolingian, Christian, Jewish,
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Speaker 3: Chinese convergence of collaboration in the eighth ninth tenth centuries.
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Speaker 3: During the Tang dynasty, that was you know, we saw
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Speaker 3: people like Harun al Rashid working the head of the
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Speaker 3: Abbasid Kaliphate in the Muslim world in Baghdad, working with
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Speaker 3: Jews on bringing together scientists.
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Speaker 2: And poets at the houses.
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Speaker 3: Of wisdom, as well as Charlemang and his children who
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Speaker 3: were also sending envoys of Christians to share and develop
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Speaker 3: a better understanding of their neighbors instead of going into
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Speaker 3: crusading wars. So for the good it's been a very
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Speaker 3: important place and quits deliet be again, I think with
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Speaker 3: the Chinese having revived the Silk Road agenda in the
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Speaker 3: twenty first century, and I think that a lot of
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Speaker 3: the enemies of the outlook our intent on letting the
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Speaker 3: thing on fire and instead promoting a much more bigoted,
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Speaker 3: much more dangerous, imperial cecil Rodian inspired vision of a
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Speaker 3: greater Ethno state of Israel from the River to the
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Speaker 3: from the Now to the Euphrates. As Theodore Hertzel had
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Speaker 3: pointed out as Hertzel himself was an admirer of Cecil
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Speaker 3: Roads and was writing letters to Rhodes celebrating how successful
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Speaker 3: Roads was as an exemplar in subduing the dark savages
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Speaker 3: that had been living there trouble in a troublesome way
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Speaker 3: in South Africa, and that was something he wanted to
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Speaker 3: bring back into the Middle East for his envisioned new
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Speaker 3: Zionist state.
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Speaker 1: I was, as you know, in China almost a month
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Speaker 1: last year and traveled across from the east to the
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Speaker 1: west with the Kolzau and Pepper Esketball and a few others,
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Speaker 1: going to actually the historic Silk Road trail as it were.
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Speaker 1: We went to a Rumji and cash Gaw, which is
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Speaker 1: pretty much on the border of Afghanistan, and it really
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Speaker 1: is something to behold very special. It's it's difficult to
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Speaker 1: put into words. You need to kind of go there
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Speaker 1: and experience the intense history, and only when you there
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Speaker 1: do you realize how far back this trade route goes.
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Speaker 1: I say trade route, I know it. There's so much
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Speaker 1: more than that. But and the fact that China's trying
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Speaker 1: to rebuild it in sort of a twenty first century
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Speaker 1: way is extremely visible when you when you when you
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Speaker 1: are in shinjank. I don't know why I'm telling of that,
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Speaker 1: but just is a it's a it's a beautiful part
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Speaker 1: of history.
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Speaker 3: It's most people, blind specifactors don't even know when the
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Speaker 3: Western zek gaset. By design, it should be something that
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Speaker 3: we should all understand. We should know its history, we
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Speaker 3: should see how it's already in its short time that
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Speaker 3: it's been revived, has transformed so many lives and created
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Speaker 3: so many foundations of potential for collaboration and for peace
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Speaker 3: that you know since Shijingping just announced in September of
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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, and it really has taken on a really
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Speaker 3: brilliant life of its own and has served as sort
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Speaker 3: of the glue that gives I think, vitality and substance
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Speaker 3: to the multipolar. The better healthier multipolar outlook. I say
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Speaker 3: healthier because there is a sicker, evil version of multipolarity
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Speaker 3: as well that I think everybody watching your show has
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Speaker 3: become aware of, which also goes back quite some time,
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Speaker 3: but it's founded on a much more Orwellian notion of
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Speaker 3: jurisdictional fascist states or regional areas to be managed by
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Speaker 3: a feudal technocracy of some sort. That would be a
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Speaker 3: sicker version, but I think the healthier version that has
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Speaker 3: this deeper historical precedent wasn't veiled in twenty thirteen. Of course,
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Speaker 3: you know, Russia, China, India, Iran, especially Iran had created
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Speaker 3: a foundational block around which the Shanghai Cooperation was created,
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Speaker 3: if this is our already now well over twenty years ago,
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Speaker 3: and the bricks also grew out of this, but by
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Speaker 3: themselves without the type of projects the action just simply
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Speaker 3: a you know, a treatise of alliance on paper is
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Speaker 3: not adequate to give it vitality. I think the Belton
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Speaker 3: Road Initiative, which entails thousands of small projects, medium sized projects,
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Speaker 3: megascale projects with arteries high speed rail as well as
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Speaker 3: conventional rail roads and new development corridors, energy corridors, water
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Speaker 3: projects stretching all the way from the east the east
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Speaker 3: coast of China on the Pacific all the way through
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Speaker 3: the Middle East, as well as with branches through Mongolia
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Speaker 3: into Russia. Pipelines as well down into Europe and even
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Speaker 3: southern corridors too have been presented. Have been shaping lives,
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Speaker 3: uplifting people from poverty and squalor, and have been really
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Speaker 3: creating I think with Zibig new Brazinski had outlined in
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven in his Grand Chess Board as the
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Speaker 3: only possible threat to his New World Order fantasy that
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Speaker 3: had just been celebrated in nineteen ninety two with the
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Speaker 3: collapse of the Soviet Union. He said, only a unlikely
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Speaker 3: but possible convergence of Russia, China and Iran might provide
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Speaker 3: together a threat to our new world order, and that
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Speaker 3: is exactly what has manifested in so many ways. And
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Speaker 3: of course China had been working very very hard along
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Speaker 3: with the Russians to ensure that al Qaeda would not
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Speaker 3: be victorious in Syria, since Syria was also a major
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Speaker 3: artery of the ancient Silk Road and should be again
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Speaker 3: of course also Iraq and other regions of that area,
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Speaker 3: which were burnt and lit on fire, especially after nine
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Speaker 3: to eleven, but more recently with the emergence or the
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Speaker 3: imposition of Julani, the former head of Isis in Syria
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Speaker 3: who has been made president, has really put a major,
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Speaker 3: major block even Lebanon. Oh most certainly so. Yes, absolutely
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Speaker 3: all of this has been letting the silkload on fire,
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Speaker 3: or at least the hoped for stability that is required
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Speaker 3: for the types of long term five, ten, twenty or
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Speaker 3: fifty year thinking that the Silk Road planning requires that
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Speaker 3: stability is not being permitted in this vital area, including
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Speaker 3: in Lebanon, where Israel has just invaded.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Israel.
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Speaker 3: Again, when you look at the Greater Israel map, those
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Speaker 3: who believe at least in this Greater Israel outline see
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Speaker 3: a land much bigger than the current one, and that
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Speaker 3: involves the purging of all of those Arabs living both
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Speaker 3: in the Gaza as well as in West Bank as
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Speaker 3: well as in Lebanon, but even much more broadly beyond
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Speaker 3: that into borders that take up most of Iraq, most
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Speaker 3: of Sirius, some of Saudi Arabia, a big chunk of
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Speaker 3: Egypt must be removed from the Egyptians for this believed
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Speaker 3: this you know, desired covenant with God thousands of years
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Speaker 3: back to be fulfilled in some belief that now is
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Speaker 3: that time in China. China's Belton Road would not benefit
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Speaker 3: thereby if this does proceed forward.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'm speaking about when you.
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Speaker 1: Speak about Israel as her soul, speaking of id Or Hertzel,
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Speaker 1: the founder of modern Zionism and himself a kind of
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Speaker 1: radical misanthropic anti.
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Speaker 2: He even didn't like. He didn't even like the Jews.
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Speaker 3: He believed that they should all be forced converted into Catholicism.
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Speaker 3: But he also loved anti Semitism and even celebrated how
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Speaker 3: useful having the anti Semitic furtivor was throughout Europe, saying,
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Speaker 3: what a great boon this is for the cause of Zionism,
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Speaker 3: since it's making life very uncomfortable for the expat Jews
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Speaker 3: living across Europe and Russia. And how wonderful it is
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Speaker 3: that they now finally are getting in their heads that
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Speaker 3: they're not welcome and want to leave. So he'd written
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Speaker 3: that it is believed that this Promised Land must extend
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Speaker 3: from the Nile to the Euphrates as a zone of influence.
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Speaker 3: You know, you had many Kabbalistic figures, not the least
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Speaker 3: important of which being a rabbi by the name of
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Speaker 3: Abraham Isaac kuk Ko Okay, who is the British selection
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Speaker 3: for the Chief Ashkenad's Rabbi of a British Mandate Palestine,
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Speaker 3: where the British were able to gain control of that
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Speaker 3: region with the French after or during World War Two,
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Speaker 3: you know the sykes Peak Agreement showcase to the world
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Speaker 3: what this was. What this agreement was to carve up
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Speaker 3: that region with the plan of turning British Mandate Palestine
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Speaker 3: into an eventual Ethno national estate, as outlined by Lord
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Speaker 3: Balfour as well as Lord Milner, Leo Amory, Lloyd George,
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Speaker 3: who all had a hand in playing along with Walter
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Speaker 3: Rothschild who all had a hand in drafting the Balfour Cords,
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Speaker 3: and Rabbi Abraham Isaac Cook, who was very influential. He
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Speaker 3: died in nineteen thirty five. He was installed by the
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Speaker 3: British in nineteen nineteen. Was a radical follower or believer
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Speaker 3: and promoter of greater Israel. And he even said got
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Speaker 3: a little quote here that I'll just even read just
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Speaker 3: to get a sense of his importance and what he
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Speaker 3: was thinking. But he said that as a Kabbalist the
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Speaker 3: truth concerning the land is revealed in Kabbalah Jewish mysticism.
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Speaker 3: Kabbalah militates for life in the Land of Israel. Rationalistic
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Speaker 3: approaches to Judaism placed no special value on the Land
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Speaker 3: of Israel, that is, anybody who is not a believer
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Speaker 3: in his particular brand of Zionism. In wars, national characters
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Speaker 3: crystallize Israel as the universal reflection of mankind benefits thereby,
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Speaker 3: So Israel benefits through wars because it crystallizes the national
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Speaker 3: character of a people only in war, though the heels
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Speaker 3: of Messiah follow upon world conflagration. So basically, he's presuming
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Speaker 3: that at this moment that we can create this idealized situation,
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Speaker 3: which also involves the reconstruction of a certain temple that
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Speaker 3: had been destroyed in seventy a d by the Romans.
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Speaker 2: At the hour of the.
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Speaker 3: Downfall of Western civilization, Israel is called upon to fulfill
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Speaker 3: its divine mission by providing the spiritual basis for the
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Speaker 3: new world order. He says in nineteen thirty five in
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Speaker 3: this book was disgusting, but it outlined it inspired several
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Speaker 3: generations of Yeshiva's and all of the creators of the
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Speaker 3: radical legalist settler movement that really sprung into high gear
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Speaker 3: after the Six Day War in nineteen sixty eight, basically
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Speaker 3: settling legally in areas that were not Israel. They were
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Speaker 3: all followers of Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook. He worked also
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Speaker 3: very closely with the Jabatinski, who was another believer in
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Speaker 3: Greater Israel. Jabatinski's personal secretary was the father of Benjamin Ettina,
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Speaker 3: who is as we all know. And this is something
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Speaker 3: which today you know if you look at the patches
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Speaker 3: of the different forces within the Israeli Special Forces, there
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Speaker 3: are official military patches celebrating Greater Israel as is.
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Speaker 2: It's outlined directly on the.
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Speaker 3: Map, and I'd say in my assessment it's probably I
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Speaker 3: think it has a lot to do with this, the
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Speaker 3: similarity of the map of the Neo Babylonian Empire. The Mmm, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's a coincidence. That was the
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Speaker 3: period that the Jews were in captivity for about looks
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Speaker 3: very similar being screwed with basically by the captors. The
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Speaker 3: Neo the Babylonian High priests took a lot of I
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Speaker 3: thought it was seventy for some reason. Is what's in
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Speaker 3: my head it is.
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Speaker 2: That's not hard.
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Speaker 1: I can't I can't remember, but I mean, it's just
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's all that important.
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Speaker 3: It says here, but someone is going to say, twenty
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Speaker 3: eight years you were correct? Is I guess I was
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Speaker 3: calculating for some inflation there I was. I was in
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Speaker 3: floating upwards for you know, I was close. Our dollar
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Speaker 3: in time isn't worth as much. So yeah, I think
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Speaker 3: that when you shows the idea of reconstructing, reconstituting Babylon,
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Speaker 3: specifically with the intention of trying to fulfill prophecy, there
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Speaker 3: have been, unfortunately social engineers, religious engineers at the highest
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Speaker 3: echelons of the high priesthoods that have been latched on
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Speaker 3: like a parasite to humanity, trying to convince us at
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Speaker 3: various times to commit mass collective suicide as chess pieces
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Speaker 3: on this great game board. Whether it was the Crusades
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Speaker 3: a thousand years ago, that was configured in order to
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Speaker 3: break and destroy any possible emergency.
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Speaker 1: So everything is different now because we had a little breakage.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, now, what does your lost line
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Speaker 1: before you broke off that notion of.
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Speaker 3: The idea of reconstituting ancient Babylon in order to fulfill
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Speaker 3: certain books that have been considered canonical, especially here I'm
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Speaker 3: thinking about the Book of Revelation, So the idea that
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Speaker 3: Babylon must somehow be reconstituted in order to inaugurate or
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Speaker 3: invoke even if we want to use this type of
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Speaker 3: this more sorcery oriented language, which is how I see
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Speaker 3: a lot of these religion religious engineers who have been
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Speaker 3: playing mankind like a fiddle for so long as they
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Speaker 3: use prophecy, whether it's of a Christian, a Jewish, a Muslim,
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Speaker 3: a Zoroastrian, an Egyptian, a Coptic. There's different types of
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Speaker 3: spin in different types of eschatologies that have been used
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Speaker 3: by high priesthoods over the years, but the effect is
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Speaker 3: always the same thing to get rid of to create cryptic,
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Speaker 3: ambiguous language often uttered by some oracle, a Sibelian prophetess,
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Speaker 3: a high priestess, an oracle that is then highly interpretive.
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Speaker 3: So it is something that could be the allegorical language
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Speaker 3: which could which describes the end times, often with a
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Speaker 3: millennialist bench to it, that could be applied to almost
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Speaker 3: any context of a crisis moment whereby people get more crazy,
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Speaker 3: they get more despair ridden, they get more fearful, and
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Speaker 3: thus more inclined to join end time's cults, and it
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Speaker 3: thus abolishes in our free will, our ability to discern
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Speaker 3: right from wrong, to see that something bad is happening,
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Speaker 3: and instead of correcting that bad orientation is I think
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Speaker 3: mature humans do. Those who are soft minded enough to
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Speaker 3: tend to fall prey to these types of manipulations, will
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Speaker 3: instead believe that this evil thing that we're moving towards.
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Speaker 2: Whether it was the blood blood, the blood bath.
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Speaker 3: Ritual of the of the Crusades that went on for centuries,
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Speaker 3: is a necessary thing to fulfill God's will. That God
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Speaker 3: demands evil, that he demands blood in order for some
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Speaker 3: form of purity to emerge out of the chaos, and
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Speaker 3: that destruction of free will is something that benefits a
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Speaker 3: ruling oligarchy that doesn't like human beings thinking as sovereign
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Speaker 3: beings creatively problem problem solving.
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Speaker 2: They don't like that.
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Speaker 3: So I think think that the idea of reconstituting greater
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Speaker 3: this idea of Babylon itself in some way, where of course,
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Speaker 3: the idea of mystery Babylon has been a curiosity of
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Speaker 3: the last two thousand years. How do we interpret is
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Speaker 3: the debate of every century of theologians. How do we
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Speaker 3: interpret the language of the scarlet woman, of the horror
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Speaker 3: of Babylon?
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Speaker 2: Of what is this mystery Babylon? Where is it?
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Speaker 3: And I think that when I look at those leading
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Speaker 3: British imperial grand strategists around Lord Palmerston, around Lord Shaftesbury,
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Speaker 3: the ironic godfather of modern Zionism is a British imperial Lord,
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Speaker 3: Anthony Ashley Cooper. If I look at what they were
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Speaker 3: doing and who they were working with when they were
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Speaker 3: crafting things like the Palestine the Palestinian Exploration Fund, along
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Speaker 3: with Sir Charles Warren and the King Edward the Seventh
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Speaker 3: in the eighteen sixties eighteen sixty two, they were directly
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Speaker 3: sent down to the region of Palestine, partially in order
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Speaker 3: to excavate Solomon's stem. That's where modern Biblical archaeology comes from.
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Speaker 3: These were people people who were very closely aligned with
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Speaker 3: the Darbyites of the Plymouth Brethren that had also emerged
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Speaker 3: around the same period of the eighteen thirties eighteen forties
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Speaker 3: to promote an idea that in order to actualize end
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Speaker 3: times we needed to bring the Jews of the world,
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Speaker 3: to convince them all to just go and live in
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Speaker 3: the desert, and then re scofield zion. Scofield was very
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Speaker 3: much influenced by the teachings of Derby, as with Shaftsbury,
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Speaker 3: and not only did Derby popularize this idea of rapture,
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Speaker 3: interpreting such scriptures or such writings of Paul and Thessalonians
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Speaker 3: as though a rapture of the true believers would happen,
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Speaker 3: who would not have to suffer the seven years of tribulation.
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Speaker 3: He originated that notion which Scofield adopted, which was highly
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Speaker 3: The Moody Bible College was entirely founded upon the Darbyite interpretation,
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Speaker 3: and so were many many Pentecostal The entire Pentecostalist movement
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Speaker 3: that was created at the early nineteen hundred was also
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Speaker 3: entirely Darbyite. But what they were doing as well, you know,
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Speaker 3: in tandem with these imperialists around Charles Warren, that gave
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Speaker 3: rise to the Grand Lodge or what it was called
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Speaker 3: the Quatoi kor Nazi Lodge, the Free Masonic Grand Research
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Speaker 3: Lodge that grew out of the Palestinine Exploration Fund. They
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Speaker 3: were also looking for where do they plot out, where
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Speaker 3: do they say Jerusalem was the city around the seven hills?
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Speaker 3: Because certain conditions had to meet met geographically in order
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Speaker 3: for the warding found within Revelations to be fulfilled, and
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Speaker 3: the actual evidence that pointed to the existence of the
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Speaker 3: ancient Jerusalem being in a certain location near two hills
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Speaker 3: was not satisfactory to those who wanted to manipulate the
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Speaker 3: data and act upon this prophecy, and so Charles Warren,
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Speaker 3: as well as members of the New Templar German Order
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Speaker 3: that was founded in eighteen sixty one, the same year
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Speaker 3: that the Palestinian Exploration Fund was set up by the British,
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Speaker 3: and both worked very closely together in Palestine. They ensued
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Speaker 3: that no, it would be this particular area that did
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Speaker 3: have seven hills around it. That became the consensus around
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Speaker 3: which these imperialists said, Okay, we're gonna make it here,
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Speaker 3: because that was needed in order to fulfill the Book
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Speaker 3: of Revelations. And so the idea of Mystery Babylon I
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Speaker 3: think was very much tied to that area that the
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Speaker 3: Jews would be convinced to live in that would grow
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Speaker 3: and scope and scale to mimic the same size of
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Speaker 3: the ancient Babylon of Abocate.
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Speaker 1: Yep, Matt, Sorry, this is this is a segue and
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Speaker 1: probably has nothing to do with this conversation. But I
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Speaker 1: heard some way that in the nineties a young German
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Speaker 1: or Austrian by the name of Adolf Hitler he knew
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Speaker 1: about this. Also, do you know anything about that?
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Speaker 3: Yes, so Hitler, I'm actually producing a documentary with Cynthia
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Speaker 3: right now, and indeed this will go through some of
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Speaker 3: that story. Hitler went to school primary school in Germany
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Speaker 3: or in Austria. A it's a mistake that we all
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Speaker 3: make the tongue there. But he went to a school
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Speaker 3: in a monastery. It doubled as a monastery and it
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Speaker 3: was run by Cistercian monks, of which one lecturer there
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Speaker 3: was Lins von Liebenfels, who reconstituted the German New Templar
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Speaker 3: Order as an offshoot of the Theosophists in nineteen oh seven.
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Speaker 3: The founder and the headmaster of the school was himself
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Speaker 3: a member of the New Templars that had settled. That
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Speaker 3: was the first major German colonization program in eighteen sixty seven.
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Speaker 3: So they moved in fully to Palestine and began to
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Speaker 3: set up colonies with the British that they were always
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Speaker 3: planning with with the idea of bringing in the Messiah,
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Speaker 3: of setting up this land in order to be the
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Speaker 3: Babylon that would then usher in and welcome in the
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Speaker 3: Messiah to inaugurate this new age, which I believe Hitler
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Speaker 3: later on. I mean, there were swastikas that are still
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Speaker 3: found today on this very school whose name I'm forgetting
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Speaker 3: because I have it.
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Speaker 2: I will have it in my upcoming book as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it wasn't part of the conversation.
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Speaker 3: I know. No, you're absolutely and the Nazis in the
22:01
Speaker 3: high command of the NRSS were absolutely committed to the
22:04
Speaker 3: idea of building up Jewish Ethno state, and that's why
22:08
Speaker 3: Hitler was so enthusiastic along with Eichmann.
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Speaker 2: Adolf Eichmann, who was in.
22:13
Speaker 3: Charge of the Jewish problem of Europe, was so enthusiastic
22:16
Speaker 3: about the Havara Agreement of nineteen thirty three. As soon
22:18
Speaker 3: as the Germans had carried out their operation to successfully
22:25
Speaker 3: achieve the enabling Acts and to eliminate all of their
22:28
Speaker 3: opposition within Germany, the first thing that they did is
22:31
Speaker 3: they had a meeting with the British Empire and said, hey,
22:34
Speaker 3: let's get the Jews to the Middle East, and the
22:36
Speaker 3: Havara Agreement that was celebrated with German minted coins.
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Speaker 2: That's fine.
22:40
Speaker 3: So the Havara Agreement coins were celebrated by the British,
22:44
Speaker 3: by the Germans with coins with swastikas and stars of
22:47
Speaker 3: David on either side, and that ensued that over seventy
22:50
Speaker 3: thousand Jews would be extracted from Germany and Europe more
22:54
Speaker 3: broadly and sent in all expenses paid into the into
22:58
Speaker 3: Palestine as part of what Eichman even had said he
23:02
Speaker 3: was adamant should be the future of those people, which
23:06
Speaker 3: is why Eichman was also studying Hebrew so that he
23:09
Speaker 3: could practice Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism, practical basically practical magic of
23:15
Speaker 3: a certain sort, and said that you know, he would,
23:17
Speaker 3: if he were born a Jew, be the most ardent
23:19
Speaker 3: Zionist and he could imagine being nothing else on his
23:22
Speaker 3: last interview in nineteen sixty one.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, you're you're absolutely right.
23:26
Speaker 3: The overlap of the occult inner sanctum of New Templars
23:30
Speaker 3: the templars themselves just to say, were an initiatory chivalric
23:36
Speaker 3: order but actually had a pagan, mythraic inner core that
23:39
Speaker 3: was seated in the early days of the First Crusades,
23:43
Speaker 3: with the idea, as Albert Pike had even said of
23:45
Speaker 3: the templars, of rebuilding Solomon's Temple for the third time,
23:49
Speaker 3: in building up the Kingdom of Jerusalem, which was a
23:54
Speaker 3: Crusader managed kingdom that lasted for a little over two centuries,
23:59
Speaker 3: as the founder of a new millennial age, which I
24:02
Speaker 3: think the Nazis thought of as the Age of Horace,
24:05
Speaker 3: as a new thousand year Reich that would come into being,
24:08
Speaker 3: and that would be inaugurated by a purgative period of blood,
24:11
Speaker 3: loss of violence, and out of those ashes a new
24:14
Speaker 3: order would emerge.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's taken quite a long time for us
24:19
Speaker 1: to get to why great to Israel is hindering multipolarity. Now,
24:26
Speaker 1: in your article you mentioned a few strategies.
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Speaker 2: Yes, certainly.
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Speaker 3: Well, number one, excuse me, there are two aspects of
24:37
Speaker 3: very There are two things that have to really work
24:39
Speaker 3: for multipolarity in the healthiest sense of the term to
24:42
Speaker 3: be successful. One is the International North South Transportation Corridor
24:45
Speaker 3: that was first inaugurated in two thousand by Russia, India
24:50
Speaker 3: and Iran, and that involves something like thirteen other countries
24:54
Speaker 3: that would benefit immensely by these rail corridors, ports and
24:57
Speaker 3: other things that would move from the far north of
25:00
Speaker 3: Ussia down into India with ports in the south of Iran.
25:03
Speaker 3: That took on major life after twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,
25:07
Speaker 3: and it has since been destabilized quite a bit in
25:09
Speaker 3: a variety of ways, not just through Syria, but also
25:12
Speaker 3: through manipulations in the corridor, the energy and rail corridors
25:18
Speaker 3: in Armenia and Azerbaijan that has recently been an important
25:21
Speaker 3: little area was taken over by the US and which
25:24
Speaker 3: has really put into jeopardy a big important artery of that.
25:27
Speaker 3: Iran's stability is very important. Of course, Iran provides a
25:31
Speaker 3: stabilizing influence both in beating back the US sponsored Al
25:35
Speaker 3: Qaeda and Islamist Salafist organizations that had been induced to
25:40
Speaker 3: spread since nine to eleven, especially actually really going back
25:44
Speaker 3: to the days of the big New Brazinski first launching
25:47
Speaker 3: Operation Cyclone in nineteen seventy nine. Al Qaeda grew out
25:50
Speaker 3: of that US funded especially through US proxies in Saudi
25:53
Speaker 3: Arabian then Pakistan. Forty five years ago a radicalizing madrasas
25:57
Speaker 3: that weaponized Islam in order to break the Soviet Union
26:01
Speaker 3: and suck them into their own Vietnam War. But the
26:03
Speaker 3: current incarnation of modern cele Feism grew out in many
26:07
Speaker 3: ways of that movement and continue to enjoy the support,
26:10
Speaker 3: whether it was in Libya, Mali, Egypt. You know, the
26:13
Speaker 3: Muslim Brotherhood played a very big role and also growing
26:16
Speaker 3: these operations sponsored by the US. Iran had been again
26:20
Speaker 3: playing a very important role at subduing, at putting down
26:24
Speaker 3: these operations, which if they are taken out, then I
26:28
Speaker 3: think that the Arab world as a whole will be
26:31
Speaker 3: more easily lit on fire as these Islamic Khalifate obsessed
26:37
Speaker 3: agencies which I can't emphasize this enough, which have enjoyed
26:40
Speaker 3: the support logistically, financially and otherwise of Anglo American intelligence,
26:45
Speaker 3: will simply grow and grow and grow again. That will
26:48
Speaker 3: not be favorable to the economic climate needed to build
26:51
Speaker 3: up the type of international North South Transportation Corridor or
26:54
Speaker 3: Belton Road initiative, which is so vitally important. I think
26:57
Speaker 3: there's other elements too, you know, as far or is
27:00
Speaker 3: the Greater Israel idea. There's recently been a over July
27:04
Speaker 3: of last year, a law passed in the Kanesset of
27:08
Speaker 3: Israel allowing for Israel to simply seize and annex the
27:11
Speaker 3: West Bank. That's something that is I believe, high up
27:14
Speaker 3: on the agenda. But also Gaza is nearly completely wiped out.
27:17
Speaker 3: Despite even all of the nice talk of the Board
27:20
Speaker 3: of Peace, there's no idea there whatsoever about how to
27:23
Speaker 3: actually heal.
27:24
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can heal.
27:26
Speaker 3: From the type of trauma and evil that has been
27:29
Speaker 3: done to the people who had been living in the Gaza.
27:31
Speaker 3: But even before the October seventh moment was unleashed, as
27:35
Speaker 3: what I believe to be an inside job, they were
27:37
Speaker 3: already there was already a long recognition of the vast
27:42
Speaker 3: oil recoverable oil reserves off the coast of Gaza, of
27:45
Speaker 3: which one point seven billion recoverable barrels had been already
27:50
Speaker 3: identified by the US Department of the Interior in twenty ten.
27:54
Speaker 3: Originally it was some British companies that identified these reserves.
27:57
Speaker 3: Nine Yasser Arafat was very enthusiastic about developing a strategy
28:01
Speaker 3: to really start harnessing what is in Gaza's territorial rights
28:06
Speaker 3: to access them, to use for the benefit of the
28:08
Speaker 3: people living in this area? Was this I mean one
28:12
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural
28:16
Speaker 3: gases estimated to be in this area, which the Israeli
28:20
Speaker 3: intelligence had produced policy papers. As I outlined in that
28:25
Speaker 3: new article you just cited that I published, the Israeli
28:29
Speaker 3: intelligence had leaked documents where these policy papers that were
28:33
Speaker 3: leaked outlined their view of the need to eliminate the
28:37
Speaker 3: gas and extract them and put them into the Sinai
28:40
Speaker 3: Peninsula so that Israel could have control of this region
28:43
Speaker 3: and have Israel become an energy powerhouse that would feedback
28:47
Speaker 3: into the greater Israel metropolis, this cosmopolitan sort of macro
28:52
Speaker 3: empire that some wished to see builds. That also requires
28:57
Speaker 3: the downfall of Lebanon. Israel is, after all, to pick
29:00
Speaker 3: a fight and has been has invaded Lebanon already. They've
29:04
Speaker 3: attacked leaders of a major force within the Iranian the
29:07
Speaker 3: Iraqi military leadership, which could easily spark yet another front
29:12
Speaker 3: that could fall out of control. And I think the
29:15
Speaker 3: ultimate idea would be the downfall of Iran itself, which
29:18
Speaker 3: is what the clean break doctrine outlined by the neo
29:21
Speaker 3: cons around Victoria Newlan's brother in law, Donald Kagan, as
29:25
Speaker 3: well as Richard Pearl, first put forth for Benjaminette Yahoo
29:30
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety seven. The Clean Break doctrine outlined for
29:32
Speaker 3: the push towards regime change and all of the Arab
29:36
Speaker 3: nations that had been doing a very good job at
29:39
Speaker 3: beating back radical fundamentalist Islam in favor of a more healthy,
29:45
Speaker 3: grounded idea of economic development, which included in that list Iraq, Lebanon, Syria,
29:53
Speaker 3: and Iran was the major trophy to be destroyed in
29:56
Speaker 3: the Clean Break doctrine, which has always been I think obsessing.
29:59
Speaker 3: And they know that if they can get rid of
30:00
Speaker 3: Iran by any way possible, then greater Israel as well
30:05
Speaker 3: as radical sele Feism will have no more resistance.
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Speaker 2: That would be useful.
30:11
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I understand, Iran is one
30:15
Speaker 1: of the very few quote unquote sovereign countries lift in
30:19
Speaker 1: that region. Most of those countries have aligned with Israeli interests.
30:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, there's a number of data points
30:29
Speaker 3: that would back up what you just said from the
30:31
Speaker 3: standpoint of Iran's ability to maintain a national bank not
30:36
Speaker 3: privatized as so many other nations of the world have
30:38
Speaker 3: seen their private central banks imposed upon them as entities
30:42
Speaker 3: above the power of the nation state and acting on
30:45
Speaker 3: the benefit of an unelected financier oligarchy. I think you
30:48
Speaker 3: know Iran, China, North Korea, and Venezuela among the fewest
30:53
Speaker 3: few countries there might be one or two of that
30:55
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about that still have an actual national
30:59
Speaker 3: bank under the jurisdiction of the powers of the republic itself.
31:02
Speaker 2: It is.
31:04
Speaker 3: Survived and even found a way to build up an
31:08
Speaker 3: indigenous manufacturing cycle. Over decades and decades of being the
31:11
Speaker 3: most sanctioned country in the world, suffering decades of economic
31:16
Speaker 3: war and economic terrorism by the United States and their
31:19
Speaker 3: allies around the IMF and World Bank. So they've been
31:22
Speaker 3: with every attempt to cripple and destroy Iran, they've been
31:24
Speaker 3: able to still find a way to build up their
31:27
Speaker 3: own native industrial base, their energy systems as well as
31:32
Speaker 3: they're becoming a pioneer in nuclear nuclear science, including nuclear isotope,
31:37
Speaker 3: medical isotope science, and nuclear science more generally. And they've
31:40
Speaker 3: done it with their is strategic allies. So they've done
31:43
Speaker 3: so much to demonstrate what a thorn that they are
31:47
Speaker 3: for those fanatical utopians who wish to create some sort
31:51
Speaker 3: of a weird global centralized control grid founded upon depopulation
31:56
Speaker 3: and divide to conquer strategies.
31:58
Speaker 2: That they yeah.
32:00
Speaker 3: And there's much more to say about what they've done
32:03
Speaker 3: for the benefit of their people and to demonstrate the
32:05
Speaker 3: power of the sovereign nation state when it actually does
32:08
Speaker 3: act in accordance with natural law. There's so many things
32:11
Speaker 3: that they've done that really demonstrate in my mind that
32:15
Speaker 3: in opposition to those those who would accuse Iran of
32:18
Speaker 3: being an enemy agency that's been secretively trying to build
32:21
Speaker 3: an atomic bomb, I've seen no evidence of the sword.
32:25
Speaker 3: I've seen no evidence that they represent the city of
32:27
Speaker 3: London in the Middle East, as some alternative media commentators
32:31
Speaker 3: I've heard have stated without proof. I've seen no evidence
32:35
Speaker 3: that anything but what Israeli a British intelligence through six.
32:40
Speaker 3: Nicholas Longham, who is in charge of the Iran desk
32:43
Speaker 3: for six, bragged that he had successfully introduced the narrative
32:48
Speaker 3: that Iran has a nuclear weapons program that had first
32:50
Speaker 3: been initiated by Benjamin Att Nielu in the nineteen nineties.
32:53
Speaker 3: They are always three months away and always have been
32:56
Speaker 3: for the last forty years. He bragged openly and was caught,
32:59
Speaker 3: and then it was Israeli intelligence that somehow found the information.
33:03
Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, twelve days before the sunset clause of
33:06
Speaker 3: the nuclear deal with America was supposed to pass, that
33:11
Speaker 3: Netnyah who gave a pt Barnum press conference showcasing how
33:15
Speaker 3: is intrepid massade found in an abandoned warehouse in Tehran,
33:20
Speaker 3: thousands of half a ton of documents proving this uh
33:25
Speaker 3: secret nuclear weapons program and none of it was ever true.
33:28
Speaker 3: You actually look at for any people who actually read
33:30
Speaker 3: those documents that he said proved it conclusively. They noted
33:34
Speaker 3: that there was nothing of the sort. These documents merely
33:36
Speaker 3: dealt with a period from nineteen ninety seven to two
33:38
Speaker 3: thousand and three before the Iranian fatwa was passed banning
33:42
Speaker 3: any type of weapon of mass destruction, and didn't even
33:45
Speaker 3: prove that even then there was anything of the sort.
33:48
Speaker 1: So it's but do it? But I mean, so what technically?
33:52
Speaker 1: So what if Iran does have nuclear weapons? Israel clearly
33:57
Speaker 1: has nuclear weapons. It won't say how many though, because
34:00
Speaker 1: of what this what they call the Sampson What's the.
34:04
Speaker 2: That self defensetrine.
34:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the US has got loads of nuclear warheads,
34:11
Speaker 1: but Iran isn't allowed any.
34:14
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy is astounding.
34:15
Speaker 3: And on top of that, not only does Israel have
34:19
Speaker 3: a program like you said, to actually use it in
34:22
Speaker 3: any type of moment where they should feel mortally threatened,
34:25
Speaker 3: to not only obliterate everybody around them, including their allies,
34:28
Speaker 3: but themselves as well, following in the footsteps of Kabbala,
34:32
Speaker 3: sorry of Sampson and that certain Cabalist believe is part
34:35
Speaker 3: of this ritual. And I would say when you look
34:38
Speaker 3: at those most radical black sorcerers, the black magicians in
34:43
Speaker 3: the esoteric section of the Zionist delete, they themselves don't
34:48
Speaker 3: live in Israel. The Rothschilds never lived in Israel. They
34:54
Speaker 3: don't live in the area you that you intend to
34:57
Speaker 3: light on fire. They are more than happy, though, to
35:01
Speaker 3: create a mass sacrifice, which they believe as a blood
35:04
Speaker 3: sacrifice would be needed to usher in the Messiah. In
35:07
Speaker 3: some case, some believe for the first time, some believe
35:09
Speaker 3: for the second time. Whether you're a Darbyite or whether
35:13
Speaker 3: you're a net Yahoo lover, the point being, though, is
35:16
Speaker 3: they all believe in the same something that will result
35:18
Speaker 3: in the same effect.
35:20
Speaker 2: So the yeah, I mean we are in the.
35:25
Speaker 3: US has actually dropped bombs on defeated Japan and have
35:29
Speaker 3: a strategic doctrine in place that they've had for many
35:32
Speaker 3: years for limited nuclear war that they believe. This has
35:36
Speaker 3: been generated by Rant Corporation in the nineteen fifties and
35:39
Speaker 3: has been adopted by US Grand Strategy, since this is
35:43
Speaker 3: big new Brazinski to actually allow for limited nuclear war
35:48
Speaker 3: that might dispose of certain American allies that are disposable,
35:52
Speaker 3: but ultimately that would result in outcomes that would be
35:58
Speaker 3: would have adequate collateral damage. You know, if ninety percent
36:01
Speaker 3: of the population of the world dies, so be at
36:03
Speaker 3: least that ten percent would be us and not are
36:07
Speaker 3: our pure competitors that must be destroyed even more than
36:09
Speaker 3: we destroy ourselves, and we're in that level of psychopathy.
36:12
Speaker 2: So you're right to say that Iran shouldn't have them.
36:15
Speaker 3: Is also a bit of a attracting on top of
36:18
Speaker 3: the fact that they don't and or there's no evident
36:20
Speaker 3: that they do, and that every evidence that they've put
36:23
Speaker 3: that has been put forth has been founded on fraud
36:26
Speaker 3: and lies. But even if they did, as you pointed out,
36:28
Speaker 3: it still wouldn't be a bad deal because everybody else,
36:32
Speaker 3: so many other people.
36:33
Speaker 1: I'm not saying yeah, but also I'm not saying that
36:35
Speaker 1: everybody should have them. I mean, that's not what I'm saying,
36:38
Speaker 1: but that they do. I'm pointing out the double standard.
36:40
Speaker 2: You're right, No, I agree.
36:43
Speaker 1: We know what America's position on the greater Israel is.
36:47
Speaker 1: I mean, America wants to make Israel greater again. What
36:51
Speaker 1: is China's position on greater Israel?
36:56
Speaker 3: China, and I'll throw in Russia too, So I'll throw
37:00
Speaker 3: both of those countries because they both have twenty twenty
37:02
Speaker 3: five years strategic comprehensive partnership pacts with Iran. First up,
37:07
Speaker 3: there has been efforts made by the Russians to try
37:11
Speaker 3: to broker a dialogue amongst factions within the rabbinical community
37:17
Speaker 3: of Judaism to discuss building Solomon's Temple, which is part
37:24
Speaker 3: of this greater Israel idea. You have to see that
37:26
Speaker 3: as part of the broader formula, but to build it
37:29
Speaker 3: in such a way that it could coexist next to
37:32
Speaker 3: the al Oxga Mosque, because certain eschatologists and fanatics who
37:37
Speaker 3: want to do this believe that Solomon's Temple exists somehow
37:41
Speaker 3: directly on the location of the al Oxga Mosque, which
37:45
Speaker 3: is actually not even true. The evidence for that is
37:47
Speaker 3: very flimsy. But they've really got a consensus that that
37:49
Speaker 3: mosque must be destroyed for the temple to then be
37:52
Speaker 3: built at that location, which of course third most holy
37:55
Speaker 3: site for all of the Muslims. That's a recipe for
37:59
Speaker 3: multi j anerational disaster. Again, so they had been trying
38:04
Speaker 3: up until twenty two thousand and nine. I know that
38:06
Speaker 3: there were conferences to try to say, hey, why don't
38:08
Speaker 3: we just have these things exist together. The Jews can
38:11
Speaker 3: have their salt, their temple, the Muslims can have the Alaska,
38:15
Speaker 3: they can pray together, they can live together.
38:16
Speaker 2: Why do you have to blow things up? I think
38:18
Speaker 2: that that was, like, you know, a creative way to
38:21
Speaker 2: approach it.
38:21
Speaker 3: But of course, any type of groupings in Israel that
38:24
Speaker 3: wanted that are nowhere near political power at this point.
38:27
Speaker 3: You know, the Gyitzaker been you'll see bailin networks are
38:31
Speaker 3: far removed. Yitzak himself would had been killed not by
38:34
Speaker 3: an Iranian but by a radical Zionist in nineteen eighty five,
38:37
Speaker 3: making way for Neki Yahoo and you'll see Bailin as
38:41
Speaker 3: a Justice minister as long since passed, So those factions
38:45
Speaker 3: are not even near power, so that that's demoralizing. China
38:50
Speaker 3: has not openly their approach is to is to play
38:54
Speaker 3: a much more laid back diplomatic posture. They try to
38:58
Speaker 3: What China tries to do is simply present necessary and
39:03
Speaker 3: good ideas to make people's lives better and make business happen,
39:08
Speaker 3: to make money that meets what they believe is the
39:13
Speaker 3: self interest of those business partners in different countries that
39:16
Speaker 3: they're trying to shake out of their stupidity. So they
39:20
Speaker 3: present something, they offer to fund it, to make it
39:22
Speaker 3: very easy to facilitate the building of rail of roads,
39:26
Speaker 3: of other things that are going to stimulate the economy,
39:29
Speaker 3: create a condition where people let go of their baggage
39:34
Speaker 3: with their neighbors that they've been at war with for
39:36
Speaker 3: centuries and generations.
39:38
Speaker 2: And sometimes it works.
39:40
Speaker 3: Sometimes when it applies radical ideology of a religious bent,
39:45
Speaker 3: it doesn't work so well. China had been trying very
39:47
Speaker 3: hard to offer different economic incentives to Israel to take
39:53
Speaker 3: part in the Belton Road initiative over the past twelve
39:56
Speaker 3: thirteen years. There's been limited contracts to build a little
39:59
Speaker 3: sub ways, little bits of infrastructure and piecemeal form here
40:03
Speaker 3: and there that the Israelis permitted, but nothing. Israel would
40:06
Speaker 3: not even consider getting on board with the Belton Road initiative.
40:09
Speaker 3: Not even once was that seriously entertained by any leaders
40:13
Speaker 3: in Israel itself, though I think many Jews who live there,
40:17
Speaker 3: who are not in political power, do recognize that it
40:20
Speaker 3: is much more preferable to build things like that and
40:23
Speaker 3: build with their neighbors and bring back a two state
40:26
Speaker 3: solution concept that Yetzekribin in Arafat had died fighting for.
40:31
Speaker 3: But again they're not in political power. So China, I
40:34
Speaker 3: think is taking a very patient look. They're trying not
40:38
Speaker 3: to get missed in it. They do have a nuclear arsenal,
40:40
Speaker 3: as does Russia. They know how easy it would be
40:43
Speaker 3: to trigger a chain reaction which could result in them
40:48
Speaker 3: getting enmeshed to defend and get really implicated in a
40:52
Speaker 3: kinetic war that might activate in a number of ways
40:55
Speaker 3: their nuclear response, and that would then if that begins,
40:59
Speaker 3: that is something that wouldn't end.
41:00
Speaker 2: You can't put that genene back in the bottle.
41:02
Speaker 3: That could be the extermination of civilization as we know
41:05
Speaker 3: it for many centuries and maybe longer. So they're trying
41:09
Speaker 3: to walk very carefully right now, I think, and simply,
41:13
Speaker 3: you know, I wish. I get frustrated that sometimes China
41:17
Speaker 3: isn't using their clout and power in a way that
41:19
Speaker 3: I would like to see more forcefully calling out liars.
41:23
Speaker 2: And evil doers.
41:24
Speaker 3: But I mean, kind of get it when the stakes
41:26
Speaker 3: are so high, I guess I understand it to a
41:28
Speaker 3: certain extent.
41:30
Speaker 1: Isn't it because China is extremely pragmatic.
41:35
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, they don't get sucked into ideological drama.
41:41
Speaker 3: That's part of their policy is stay above, stay far
41:44
Speaker 3: away from any type of ideological drama and baggage in
41:47
Speaker 3: any of the countries that you're going to be engaging
41:49
Speaker 3: with and deal with pure business, dry, pragmatic, make it happen.
41:53
Speaker 3: If that's a country that has a culture of corruption
41:57
Speaker 3: to get things done, then whatever, you go there, your
42:00
Speaker 3: briefcases along to get the contract signed. But you build
42:03
Speaker 3: the dam, you build the bridge, you get the contract signed,
42:07
Speaker 3: to get things done, whatever the course the case may be.
42:11
Speaker 3: And again with fanatical, radical religious ideology that doesn't care
42:17
Speaker 3: about self, and see, this is the thing so China's
42:19
Speaker 3: approach works to the degree that you're dealing with people
42:23
Speaker 3: who have some connection to some objective self interest. When
42:27
Speaker 3: you're dealing with end times eschatologists, they don't think mass
42:32
Speaker 3: death of themselves and their own people is necessarily all
42:36
Speaker 3: that bad. It's not about money, it's not about making
42:39
Speaker 3: things better, because they believe that God wants to make
42:42
Speaker 3: things worse. That's actually part of why we should believe
42:45
Speaker 3: in God, because God wants to make things really worse.
42:49
Speaker 2: And so they might even.
42:50
Speaker 3: See the types of ideas that China offers as obstructive
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Speaker 3: to God's will because it makes things better, it brings
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Speaker 3: you further away from the objective of getting that world
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Speaker 3: conflagration that Abraham Isaac Kook had called for to usher
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Speaker 3: in the new world order.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how much of the Greater Israel has been achieved
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Speaker 1: thus far a fraction of what is desired.
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Speaker 3: Again, but I with the current accelerated crisis that is
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Speaker 3: being inflamed, I could see it moving much quicker.
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Speaker 2: Career, Well, everyone can.
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Speaker 1: Let me let me stop you there, because Vanessa Beeley
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Speaker 1: makes the argument that it's a lot further along than
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Speaker 1: we think. The geographical borders are less important than the
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Speaker 1: actual not geographical, the metaphysical borders. Or further, if you
43:43
Speaker 1: look at what's happened to Syria, for example, mhm ideaf
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Speaker 1: of got free range. Yeah, that's a good point. Now
43:53
Speaker 1: she's right, and it's it's it's a little jarring. You're
43:56
Speaker 1: correct that the idea have free range there. They can
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Speaker 1: move within Syria at their will. They can even in
44:03
Speaker 1: sorry themselves sif free range sid free range, I mean
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Speaker 1: free range Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 2: I was going through your language. But yeah, but in
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Speaker 2: a certain sense, true, they do have they can literally move.
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Speaker 3: They do have a certain free range in uh within
44:16
Speaker 3: Syria as well, they can move rather freely. They've got
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Speaker 3: access to entry points into Lebanon from Syria. Additionally, yeah,
44:26
Speaker 3: the the integration of Israeli technology, Israeli industrial power, surveillance
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Speaker 3: power with the UAE.
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Speaker 2: Is in the pockets of Israel, for example, AE is
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Speaker 2: very high.
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Speaker 3: Israel's control over water desalination infrastructure across the entire Middle East,
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Speaker 3: which is so vital for the lives of millions and
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Speaker 3: millions of people across the Middle East, is largely monopolized
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Speaker 3: except for Iran, but most of it is monopolized by
44:53
Speaker 3: Israeli tech companies that also operate through the UA. Again,
44:57
Speaker 3: Israeli intelligence is heavily embedded, heavily and meshed with the
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Speaker 3: many of these Gulf states that have been brought into
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Speaker 3: the abraham Ac courts. So, you know, I hate to
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Speaker 3: say it, but I do think that Vanessa's is correct
45:09
Speaker 3: in that sense that they are more advanced than many,
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Speaker 3: including myself, would like to admit.
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Speaker 1: And is it true that Israel itself hasn't officially declared
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Speaker 1: its own borders For this reason, they want to keep
45:23
Speaker 1: their options very, very fluid and flexible. As I pointed out,
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Speaker 1: they just passed an edict giving themselves the right to
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Speaker 1: annex the West Bank whenever they should see fit, as
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Speaker 1: well as portions of Lebanon and Jordan.
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Speaker 3: I should say, yeah, they have gone out of their
45:39
Speaker 3: way to not put any constraints on themselves that the
45:41
Speaker 3: same measure. What I would also say is that when
45:43
Speaker 3: I look at things like the Board of Peace and
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Speaker 3: those who have been promoting it, which include you know,
45:52
Speaker 3: those members on the executive Board like Sir Tony Blair.
45:56
Speaker 3: The man is a member of the Order. He's a
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Speaker 3: Knight of the Order of the Garter. The most elite,
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Speaker 3: high end top chivalric order of the British Empire, created
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Speaker 3: in thirteen forty eight as part of an inauguration of
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Speaker 3: what became the one hundred Years War of permanent bloodbath
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Speaker 3: war between Christians in Europe, as well as the Black
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Speaker 3: Pit Plague, which was also invoked that very same year
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Speaker 3: in the initiation of the breakdown of the banking system
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Speaker 3: of the entire European community that was thirteen forty eight.
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Speaker 3: All that so, that Order of the Garter that Tony
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Speaker 3: Blair is an initiative that was, in my mind a
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Speaker 3: re emergence of the Knights of Solomon's Temple, the Knights
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Speaker 3: Templar that went underground and re emerged a few decades
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Speaker 3: after they were forced to go underground in the form
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Speaker 3: one of their iterations was the Order of the Garter,
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Speaker 3: which has been obsessed with rebuilding Solomon's Temple, as Albert
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Speaker 3: Pike had put forth in his Morals and Dogma, and
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Speaker 3: many other scholars had also acknowledged that that was true
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Speaker 3: as part of a initiation in their mind of a
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Speaker 3: new world order founded upon a re emergence or revival
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Speaker 3: of the ancient high priesthood that would then normalize things
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Speaker 3: like human sacrifice as part of a new sacrament, a
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Speaker 3: holy sacrament of emerging of the profane and the sacred.
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Speaker 3: That is part of this millennialist gambit. So the fact
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Speaker 3: that you have many people like Pete Hegseth, also a
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Speaker 3: radical templar revivalist, who has even got the Templar Kingdom
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Speaker 3: of Jerusalem cross tattooed on his chest firmly, and has
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Speaker 3: given speeches in Israel in twenty seventeen calling for the
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Speaker 3: rebuilding of the Solomon's Temple as the purpose of his
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Speaker 3: life's mission. I don't think that they're necessarily thinking of
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Speaker 3: it from the standpoint.
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Speaker 2: Of how it will benefit the Jews.
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Speaker 3: I think they're thinking about it from the standpoint more
47:53
Speaker 3: of the Templars, who are more than happy to ritualistically
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Speaker 3: murder everybody in anything in order to inclineing the Jews
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Speaker 3: who did get completely brutalized throughout the Crusades in order
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Speaker 3: to bring about their idea of this new age of
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Speaker 3: what I think Crowley called Crowley being Baphomet, that's how
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Speaker 3: we call himself in the Argentamate astrom Lodge and the
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Speaker 3: Ordo templey Orientis. He created a templar order for himself
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Speaker 3: and named himself Bafomet, the androgynous demon god worshiped by
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Speaker 3: the templar, says Eliphas Levi. And you know, these people
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Speaker 3: do think of.
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Speaker 2: A of a restoration and expansion.
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Speaker 3: They don't think that the Kingdom of Jerusalem should have
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Speaker 3: ever ended in twelve ninety one at the Battle of
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Speaker 3: Okra Versus Saladin. They don't think that that should have happened.
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Speaker 3: That was a mistake that they've been trying to correct
48:42
Speaker 3: now for a long time. And I think that they
48:45
Speaker 3: ultimately want, I think this gas a board of peace
48:48
Speaker 3: to turn into something that would be post Jewish, post Muslim.
48:52
Speaker 2: In that area and actually be this seat around which
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Speaker 2: their idea of an Antichrist would emerge. I think that
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Speaker 2: they actually want that. In my research, that's where it's
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Speaker 2: leading my mind. And I think that the whole the
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Speaker 2: Temple of the Holy.
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Speaker 3: Supulcher, which is the reputed region where or geographical area
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Speaker 3: where Jesus was killed on the cross, has been at
49:13
Speaker 3: the heart of both the Crusades. The idea of getting
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Speaker 3: revenge for the Arabs who had damaged the Holy Supulcher
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Speaker 3: before the Crusades. That was part of what initiated the
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Speaker 3: Crusades was getting revenge and building it that back up again,
49:26
Speaker 3: and it's still there today with a certain military like
49:29
Speaker 3: a military order thousands strong that exists even now, controlling
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Speaker 3: many of the educational resources of kids living all across
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Speaker 3: the Middle East, especially in the Gaza, whose manuals, whose
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Speaker 3: training books, whose school books are run, whose teachers are
49:44
Speaker 3: trained by the Order of the Holy Supulcher, which is
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Speaker 3: still there, which uses as its flag gets you know,
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Speaker 3: it's banner the.
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Speaker 2: Flag of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
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Speaker 3: So again I think that that's also in play, and
49:58
Speaker 3: not a lot of people know how to think about that,
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Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
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Speaker 1: There's a crystal bowl in front of you, Matt, where
50:05
Speaker 1: do you see this going.
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Speaker 3: I don't typically like to do those sorts of things,
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Speaker 3: because obviously I can give scenario.
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Speaker 2: I like, the future is so underday.
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Speaker 1: Give me give me scenarios.
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Speaker 2: Then well it's difficult to put the genie back in
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Speaker 2: the bottle.
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Speaker 3: After what's happened with the US Israeli strikes on Iran,
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Speaker 3: I would say overall, the worst case scenario would be
50:28
Speaker 3: that fools remain fools and not see how they're being
50:32
Speaker 3: played and run headlong into something that would provoke a
50:38
Speaker 3: thermonuclear exchange that would escalate quite fast and would put
50:43
Speaker 3: all of humanity through the biggest shock therapy those who
50:46
Speaker 3: survived then we've ever imagined, and that would make us
50:50
Speaker 3: very pliable and accepting of whatever was put onto us
50:53
Speaker 3: to restore order and allow for our kids to be
50:56
Speaker 3: fed once again after a period of prolonged suffering and
50:59
Speaker 3: case out of which that imagined that dream of the
51:03
Speaker 3: Age of Horace would emerge. Pallenteer being also something emerged
51:07
Speaker 3: out of the Total Information Awareness program that had the
51:12
Speaker 3: alseeing eye of Horace as its model, it's its emblem.
51:16
Speaker 3: In three when the neocons around Richard Pearl and John
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Speaker 3: Poindexter created the Total Information Awareness as a mass surveillance
51:23
Speaker 3: dragonet and that didn't work, but basically its entire mo
51:27
Speaker 3: and functions were given over to a cardboard cutout by
51:30
Speaker 3: the name of Peter thiel And who created his oracle
51:34
Speaker 3: not sorry, Oracle sorry Palanteer as sort of the orb
51:37
Speaker 3: through which you can see everything and have the power
51:40
Speaker 3: of omniscience as God in Lord of the Rings, and
51:44
Speaker 3: that oracle Ai of Larry Ellison in Company also emerged
51:48
Speaker 3: out of the CIA that was his first contractors, first
51:52
Speaker 3: contracted in the nineteen seventies, which had an Oracle program
51:55
Speaker 3: that LARRYL. Ellison was commissioned to carry out in nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy eight and that was given a rebranded name along
52:02
Speaker 3: with Stargate, another program run by the CIA and remote
52:06
Speaker 3: viewers in the nineteen seventies that was then revamped in
52:09
Speaker 3: our more current age under Trump two point zero. So
52:13
Speaker 3: again that would be just a terrible orientation. The positive
52:16
Speaker 3: orientation would be that there would be a possibility that
52:19
Speaker 3: some kind of a piece plank there has to be
52:22
Speaker 3: if it has to be somehow, if it's not going
52:25
Speaker 3: to escalate, you have to find a way to stop
52:28
Speaker 3: this war somehow. Now before the supply chains completely are
52:33
Speaker 3: severed to the point that they can't be rebuilt of energy,
52:37
Speaker 3: of other vital resources that supply that provide for both
52:41
Speaker 3: our energy but also our food productive needs to sustain
52:44
Speaker 3: eight billion lives that has to be preserved. There's a
52:47
Speaker 3: small window that's getting smaller to preserve and to rehabilitate
52:51
Speaker 3: that that would involve Russia, China, India also getting its
52:56
Speaker 3: act together India has to get smarter and really make
52:59
Speaker 3: a decision because it's plain in both worlds multipolar as
53:01
Speaker 3: well as is a pro Israel right now very dangerous.
53:04
Speaker 3: That's risking also another war being launched between the Indians
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Speaker 3: and the Muslims of Pakistan and the Muslims more broadly.
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Speaker 1: So how much do you think of sorry, yeah, up
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Speaker 1: is also jumping in through. How much of that do
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Speaker 1: you think is organic?
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Speaker 3: I think it's all being I think you have fire
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Speaker 3: starters behind the scenes, but they're you know, the problem
53:25
Speaker 3: is Indian and India has a similar problems as Israel
53:28
Speaker 3: and the Arabs living in that area because India, also
53:33
Speaker 3: under the b JAP Party, have revived something that looks
53:36
Speaker 3: a lot like an Indian version of Jewish Zionism in
53:40
Speaker 3: a type. And I'm not saying Modi thinks like this,
53:43
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of people around Modi who do
53:45
Speaker 3: think like this and who have selected to build one
53:51
Speaker 3: of the most this Grand Temple to Rum that was
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Speaker 3: inaugurated just two years ago on a site that had
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Speaker 3: formerly been for five hundred years one of the most
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Speaker 3: holy sites for Muslims in India.
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Speaker 1: And that mosque that was such.
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Speaker 3: A holy site was torn down by controlled riots of
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Speaker 3: Hindus nineteen ninety two and two thousand Muslims were killed
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Speaker 3: in these riots.
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Speaker 2: And at that very demolished.
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Speaker 3: Site is the very that is the exact place where
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Speaker 3: this Hindu temple to Ram was rebuilt and inaugurated just
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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago as a big multi generational
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Speaker 3: slap on the face of the Muslims living in the
54:33
Speaker 3: entire region, and the Muslims of Pakistan are certainly not happy.
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Speaker 3: Modi as well did make some bad decisions, whether it
54:40
Speaker 3: was on his own volition or not. He did go
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Speaker 3: to Israel two days before the or actually a day.
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Speaker 3: He was there for two days and the day he
54:47
Speaker 3: left was the day that the invasion the attacks on
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Speaker 3: around begun, and he had called for reviving the India
54:54
Speaker 3: Israel relationship or building it afresh upon the India Israel
54:59
Speaker 3: European in Middle East Economic corrid or the IMEE C
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Speaker 3: India Middle East Economic Corridor that passes through Israel and
55:08
Speaker 3: that completely bypasses the New Silk Road. It would be
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Speaker 3: being sold as an alternative to the China led New
55:14
Speaker 3: Silk Road and it would pass through Saudi Arabia. Some
55:17
Speaker 3: Golf states and then through Israel into Europe, and that
55:21
Speaker 3: is something that Modi seems to really believe should happen,
55:23
Speaker 3: along with a new NATO of the Middle East, that
55:26
Speaker 3: is the I two J two program or what Netanyahu
55:30
Speaker 3: called the Hexa the Hexagon alliance, that would involve some
55:34
Speaker 3: golf states Cypress. Cypress would be also involved, some friendly
55:37
Speaker 3: golf states would be involved, and India and Israel would
55:41
Speaker 3: both be involved in this sort of natal like structure
55:44
Speaker 3: that some would like to see formed between in the
55:47
Speaker 3: Middle East. So India is really playing such a dangerous,
55:51
Speaker 3: dangerous game right now by being indecisive and threatening the Bricks.
55:54
Speaker 3: It's threatening the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, as is the UAE
55:58
Speaker 3: of another member in new member of the Bricks, which
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Speaker 3: is also threatening the viability of a healthy multipolarity.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not happy with India right now in
56:08
Speaker 2: any way.
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Speaker 1: Okay, matt our conversation is based on your article, which
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Speaker 1: can be found on your substack. If I don't know
56:19
Speaker 1: where to go, how can I find your work?
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Speaker 3: The substack is a good place to begin, which is
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Speaker 3: Matthew Eric dot substack dot com. Of course, there's also
56:30
Speaker 3: a couple of websites where people can get the documentaries.
56:33
Speaker 3: My wife and I have launched a production studio over
56:37
Speaker 3: the past couple of years which has produced a lot
56:39
Speaker 3: of films big and small alike, and that's those films
56:42
Speaker 3: are mostly freely available on Canadian Patriot dot org, as
56:45
Speaker 3: well as our books that we publish, and finally, Rising
56:48
Speaker 3: Tide Foundation dot net, which my wife and I set
56:51
Speaker 3: up in twenty nineteen. Cynthia Chung is the president and
56:54
Speaker 3: some of the Rise and Tide films and the regular
56:59
Speaker 3: events that we host are available on Rising Tide Foundation dot.
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Speaker 1: As always, Matthi Erra, thank you for joining me in
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Speaker 1: the trenches. H