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TV BONUS: Andor - Season 2 - Episodes 1-3 · Left of the Projector

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  Track 1: Hello and welcome to Left of the Projector. I am your host, Evan,
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  Track 1: back again with another film discussion from the left.
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  Track 1: This week on the show, we are back again to discuss the best show on television,
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  Track 1: Andor, Season 2, Episodes 1 through 6.
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  Track 1: If you're not watching Andor, pause this episode, go watch all of Season 1 and
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  Track 1: all of the first six episodes of Season 2. and now you're back and you can hear
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  Track 1: Ward and Bill who are my guests again thank you for coming back.
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  Track 2: Yeah and thank you for doing what Evan said and watching all of it because we'll
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  Track 2: probably end up slipping up this is supposed to be 1 through 6 but we'll probably
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  Track 2: end up slipping up and putting in something later in here so watch all of it.
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  Track 3: Not too late though because I am not.
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  Track 2: Yeah not too late but definitely later than 6 so just give it a good effort.
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  Track 1: We'll try I have all the episodes, you know, the little recaps open just in case.
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  Track 1: But I think, well, I'm trying to think of where I want to.
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  Track 3: Do we have notes for tonight? Do we have notes for tonight, Evan?
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  Track 1: I don't have any notes. The notes are in my brain.
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  Track 3: What?
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  Track 2: We're straight riffing on this one because I ain't got no notes either.
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  Track 1: Well, even for the other.
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  Track 3: I just want to point out, too, for the audience at home, we had an extra week
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  Track 3: on this because I forgot our original. because I was busy doing actual organizing in real life.
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  Track 3: And Ward thought, genuinely, I think Ward thought I died.
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  Track 2: I was worried.
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  Track 3: Because I got a text that said, are you okay?
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  Track 3: And I was confused.
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  Track 1: Well, so just like, so this is one week later. This is episode one happens one
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  Track 1: year later from the previous season. So there is this season for anyone who hasn't watched it.
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  Track 1: Obviously, we're going to say what happens. But this season is 12 episodes that
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  Track 1: take place over four different years.
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  Track 1: So there's time jumps after every single three episodes, which if we were living
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  Track 1: in a real society, all of those one years would be other seasons of this show.
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  Track 1: yeah but we have what we have and i'm happy for.
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  Track 3: Do we really think i guess i mean i don't know like i i get afraid that they
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  Track 3: would just start the longer it's the longer it's out the more other people can
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  Track 3: sink their shitty little talons into it and start shoving crap in you know.
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  Track 1: True it i did
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  Track 1: read something today that i'm i don't have her name up
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  Track 1: right now she's one of the executives that i guess greenlit this
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  Track 1: show at disney she apparently would like fight for anything that gilroy would
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  Track 1: want to do he's like i want there to be people dying this way like fine we'll
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  Track 1: do it and they just like let him do whatever he wanted and god bless her i will
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  Track 1: remember her name at some point maybe for this next episode i'll learn it.
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  Track 2: And then remember it.
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  Track 3: Yeah god God bless this.
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  Track 1: Nameless executive.
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  Track 2: She is a woman of note that we will note down later.
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  Track 3: Yes.
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  Track 1: We, I think at the end of the last season or well, last episode of season one,
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  Track 1: we kind of were like giving some of, I don't know, predictions or things that happened.
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  Track 1: This happens a year later. Like, do you think that it out of the gate,
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  Track 1: like doesn't miss a beat?
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  Track 1: Because the correct answer is yes. It does not skip a beat.
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  Track 3: Do we need to be here? you just literally like and uh welcome and.
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  Track 2: Thank you for coming that's.
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  Track 1: That's all i need to start this
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  Track 1: all over i feel like i was just blown everything great no notes nothing.
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  Track 3: You were like ask the question and then we're like you don't have to answer that.
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  Track 2: I mean dude he's the man's right you know when he's right he's right why would we.
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  Track 3: Argue that no no we can elaborate is.
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  Track 2: That what we're supposed to do now.
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  Track 3: I don't think they really i no i don't think i mean episode one really takes
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  Track 3: off i do have criticisms for episode two particularly.
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  Track 2: Yeah i will yeah they skip a beat there if you ask me and like.
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  Track 3: And so far we have not seen the thing that I specifically requested from the universe be done,
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  Track 3: which was, well, Mott Wart, what is the thing we both have talked about,
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  Track 3: particularly that annoyed us about episode two?
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  Track 2: It was just the Maya Pay Brigade. You know, it felt like filler.
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  Track 2: It felt like distractionary. I get it that there is arguments and people can
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  Track 2: say that there's lessons to be learned from the Mayapé Brigade about a lack
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  Track 2: of hierarchy and the importance of leadership.
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  Track 2: But I don't really care for that. The only thing I really...
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  Track 3: Because that lesson is never actually expressed.
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  Track 2: Yeah. And honestly, the only thing I really took away from the Maia Pei Brigade
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  Track 2: arc is I want to know more about those nocturnal monsters on Yavin 4.
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  Track 3: Yeah, that's what I want to know more about, too.
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  Track 2: Please?
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  Track 1: Well for so for people who are listening and just as a reminder the the season starts with andor,
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  Track 1: basically stealing a experimental thai fighter i think it's called a thai avenger
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  Track 1: that's basically to you know and he has someone on the inside that helps him
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  Track 1: get away and it's completely different aircraft than any of the ones he like
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  Track 1: didn't even know how to fly it like that's how crazy it was And it's pretty cool looking.
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  Track 1: They actually built the full size inside and outsides of this.
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  Track 1: Usually they just kind of build part of it. They're like, fuck it.
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  Track 1: It's Disney. We'll just send them a bill. And they just built the entire TIE Avenger fighter.
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  Track 1: But so he leaves and he gets onto this planet and there's this group.
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  Track 2: Yavin 4.
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  Track 1: Yeah, Yavin 4, which is important for anyone who knows the.
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  Track 2: At this point in time, no.
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  Track 1: No, I guess it's not important.
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  Track 2: It's just interesting. It's just interesting.
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  Track 1: It's of note. And so there's this sort of infighting that's happening on this
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  Track 1: planet where Andor sort of crashes and they kind of take him hostage, I guess you could say.
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  Track 1: And I don't feel like that was, as you said, it wasn't really necessary other
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  Track 1: than just, it seemed like from the beginning season to episode one to season
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  Track 1: 12, which episode 12, which I will not say what happens,
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  Track 1: like the organizational structure changes drastically.
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  Track 1: And I think maybe that's the only point they were trying to make.
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  Track 1: It's like disorganized and then becomes organized.
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  Track 3: Yeah. But like, like we never actually like see that discussion.
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  Track 3: Like he lives through that entire thing. And then we never, he never,
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  Track 3: you know, we never have him express, make an express statement.
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  Track 3: I was like, you know, you guys need to like actually have like,
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  Track 3: like fucking hierarchy and like, just like,
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  Track 3: any leadership, just leadership. Could you have leadership? That'd be great.
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  Track 3: Like he never expresses that, like that.
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  Track 3: I understand that like, this is a lesson that we as viewers are supposed to
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  Track 3: take from that point contextually within the show, it would have been well served to make that point.
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  Track 3: And all of this is to say that is literally my only criticism of the show.
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  Track 1: Yeah. I mean, among those, because it's, again, like each three episodes is,
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  Track 1: takes place and then is a year jump.
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  Track 1: That first set of three is like the weakest three.
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  Track 1: And I say weakest in like massive quotes because it wasn't really weak.
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  Track 1: It just had the only plot line that kind of didn't necessarily need to be there.
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  Track 1: But it doesn't stay on that planet for that long.
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  Track 1: Like you're going back and forth now. You see, you know, we go back to Shangri-La
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  Track 1: where Senator Mon Mothma's daughter is going to be married. I guess, is that the first reset?
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  Track 2: Yeah. Sorry, folks at home. We have finished the season recently.
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  Track 2: So it's a bit hard for us to recall.
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  Track 1: It is different than doing the first season, which we had like ended.
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  Track 1: you could like go back and watch a few of them and then not have to like have
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  Track 1: it very fresh in your brain but like.
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  Track 2: Yeah i love the i love the wedding on shandrilla
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  Track 2: you know you had uh lita right that's mon's daughter's name lita she was yeah
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  Track 2: fucking just rebellious against mom you know and mon having that like moment
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  Track 2: of like just honesty and real truth with her daughter where it's like, you know,
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  Track 2: Ma knows that she's not the fucking best mom.
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  Track 2: You know, she's been sacrificing that for politics and the rebellion.
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  Track 2: But like she at least has a moment of clarity where she's like,
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  Track 2: fuck, I got to be at least honest with my daughter once.
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  Track 2: And at least I can give her the out that my mom never gave me.
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  Track 2: And later just spits in her fucking face. And it's like, oh, I wish you were drunk.
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  Track 2: And I like mine's little reaction right there. It was fucking great.
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  Track 2: It was like, oh, you want to choose this like traditional conservative lifestyle?
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  Track 2: Cool. Then you fucking wait and you stand behind me because I go first.
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  Track 3: Yeah. brutal scene yeah absolutely brutal.
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  Track 2: Scene loved it.
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  Track 3: And it's like and i and honestly
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  Track 3: like what i think like i think
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  Track 3: a lot of people especially i'm gonna
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  Track 3: take some shots at a online leftists right now i think what a lot of people
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  Track 3: that talk about organizing and talk about being an activist and talk about all
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  Track 3: this more than actually doing it and participating in it,
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  Track 3: what you, what they don't realize or what they forget.
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  Track 3: And I'm so like, I'm sorry, real life, like your life still goes on.
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  Track 3: You still do other things and those things are still relevant to your life just
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  Track 3: because Because you marched or got arrested or, you know,
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  Track 3: you had, you know, like you dealt with it, like you still then go home and then, I mean,
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  Track 3: hopefully go home and then have to deal with your kid being a shit or your wife
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  Track 3: having a problem at work or your, you know, your husband getting laid off or sick.
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  Track 3: It doesn't stop.
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  Track 2: Yeah. Which is like a beautiful transition because then we have takeoma.
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  Track 2: Sorry, rebels. My wife does stop, you know?
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  Track 2: And, you know, he realizes, you know, I wasn't that deeply committed once it
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  Track 2: started affecting my pockets.
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  Track 3: And he like, and at that point you realize, you know, it's like,
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  Track 3: if you're not committed,
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  Track 3: there are ways that like you become a liar, you can become a liability,
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  Track 3: but also like, you have to understand those things
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  Track 3: you have to understand that both those things they exist simultaneously you
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  Track 3: need to handle both of them if you if you are committed to it and
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  Track 3: you know they're in a very different situation than we are materially here in
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  Track 3: reality for many of us and you know that results in his untimely demise expedited divorce.
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  Track 1: That's true he was going through a divorce or he was separated or something got.
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  Track 2: Really easy on his wife really quick.
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  Track 3: Yeah really easy she didn't have to go to any i need you didn't.
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  Track 1: Need a uh a lawyer or whatever.
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  Track 3: No i mean she she a lawyer i'm assuming a state like you know they settle or
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  Track 3: something something i got i don't know i've ever did.
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  Track 2: The amount of bureaucracy in the empire come on yeah.
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  Track 3: And that line from luthan when mom's like what happened mm-hmm,
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  Track 3: Do either one you remember exactly how it went?
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  Track 1: I don't have the exact line, but...
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  Track 2: He can plug it in in post.
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  Track 1: You need to be protected.
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  Track 1: I'm not sure what you're saying. How nice for you.
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  Track 1: What I found interesting in this first six episodes of Mon Mothma is I think
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  Track 1: she finally saw more deeply how deep she was in it.
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  Track 1: like i don't think in the in the first season she was like getting
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  Track 1: the money and like some things were happening and it
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  Track 1: caused some problems kind of for her but it
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  Track 1: didn't really affect her life i mean i guess she did need to get the
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  Track 1: the money funneled you know through some other ways or she had to essentially
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  Track 1: have her daughter get married because i guess these are major problems but not
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  Track 1: to her personally and then in the second season she realizes something could
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  Track 1: actually affect her personally and i think it's kind of a shock to her yeah.
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  Track 2: Definitely she has like she understands what
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  Track 2: she's doing and the dangers involved you know she's having
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  Track 2: to funnel money she's got this fake uh fun like
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  Track 2: a charity organization that she's funneling money
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  Track 2: through she had to fucking sell her daughter and a fucking wedding for it like
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  Track 2: she understands but at the same time she's never experienced the violence and
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  Track 2: the necessity of what has to come with the rebellion and revolution that close to her before.
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  Track 1: Right she's.
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  Track 2: Always had insulating layers between her and everything.
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  Track 1: Right yeah that's that that's the point i was thinking in.
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  Track 2: The next episode we do yeah you should watch all of this all of andor season two,
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  Track 2: And you really get what I'm talking about.
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  Track 1: Well, and then, so the other side, so there's the other part we didn't maybe
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  Track 1: talk about that we can talk about in those first three episodes is where Bix is sort of on this.
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  Track 1: And this is actually a point I wanted to make about just this show in general,
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  Track 1: like the dialogue online, which unfortunately creeps its way into this kind
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  Track 1: of these shows is that you have.
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  Track 2: Hey, we don't have to talk about it, but we can.
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  Track 1: We don't have to, but I was going to say is that.
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  Track 2: We could be better.
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  Track 1: Ix is on sort of this, I guess you could call it like a harvesting planet.
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  Track 1: I think the episode's called Harvest in the third episode.
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  Track 1: It's not a planet where they're essentially getting grain for the Empire, for whoever else.
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  Track 1: But they very explicitly make it be that many of the people are undocumented workers.
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  Track 1: And so I saw a lot of people online being like, this is just like the United
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  Track 1: States and Mexico and blah, blah, blah.
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  Track 1: I'm like, not, I mean, yes, it is, but it's also not.
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  Track 1: It's also just about the concept of labor in general and how labor is abused
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  Track 1: by colonial empires across the globe, whether it's in Mexico,
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  Track 1: the United States, it's in South America, it doesn't matter.
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  Track 1: And they suffer at the violence of the colonizers with, even though they need
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  Track 1: their labor to the colonizer.
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  Track 2: Yeah no not everything has to be a one-to-one representation from
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  Track 2: fiction you know we can have like an entire
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  Track 2: planet that's devoted to just growing grain for the empire and understand oh
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  Track 2: that's exploitation and colonialism we don't need to have to go any further
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  Track 2: than than that and be like oh it's mexico it's america it's this that the other
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  Track 2: no dude like they're already giving it to you,
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  Track 2: Move on.
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  Track 3: It is one-to-one. It's about exploitation. That's the one-to-one.
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  Track 3: It's labor exploitation.
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  Track 2: Yeah, that's the one-to-one. It's not, yeah, it doesn't have to,
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  Track 2: it's not about a specific place.
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  Track 3: The flaw is not, the flaw of these interpretations is not the fact that they're
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  Track 3: like, oh, it's a one-to-one thing.
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  Track 3: It's the need to bring it back to America. It's the need to bring it back to
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  Track 3: their personal material circumstances, as opposed to understanding this is a universal concept.
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  Track 3: That's the one-to-one. Not that this is about America, that this is about labor and exploitation.
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  Track 2: But Bill, I'm American, so everything's got to be wrong.
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  Track 1: I was about to say.
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  Track 2: I got to make it about.
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  Track 1: American exceptionalism.
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  Track 2: And that's how I have to pretend.
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  Track 3: It's exhausting.
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  Track 2: And if it's not about me, then why am I supposed to care?
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  Track 3: That's, see, that's actually the lesson.
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  Track 1: What's, you know.
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  Track 3: You're supposed to figure that out, dum-dums.
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  Track 1: So imagine, imagine this scenario. Imagine that this show was made,
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  Track 1: you know, the same kind of plot.
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  Track 1: It doesn't have to be Star Wars. It was made in a foreign country and Americans watched it.
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  Track 1: I don't think they would then say, oh, it's America. But if China made this
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  Track 1: about exploitation and, you know, colonialism, I don't think America would have
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  Track 1: that same reaction, right?
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  Track 1: Is it because it's Star Wars? It's America? It's us? Everything has to be.
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  Track 1: What does that mean? Like, is this fucking play about us?
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  Track 2: If it came from any other country, it would be like the same shit with Squid
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  Track 2: Games and other shit where it's like, you know, you'd have all the articles,
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  Track 2: you know, actually that it's, uh, this is a commentary on communism.
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  Track 1: Right.
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  Track 3: Yeah, because that's literally what happens every time. If it comes from something, yeah, it's 100%.
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  Track 3: We don't need to speculate on that because we've watched it happen.
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  Track 2: So many times.
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  Track 3: I've watched both seasons of Squid Games, and I have my criticisms of season
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  Track 3: two, but I enjoyed season one. And it shocked me.
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  Track 3: It shocked me how anybody could watch that And then come on and be like,
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  Track 3: actually, this is about comedy, this is about comedy, this is bad.
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  Track 1: So we've talked, I guess, about the kind of like the leftist infighting and
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  Track 1: the rebels and the kind of the wealthy and Mon Moth.
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  Track 1: But the thing we didn't talk about is the ISB and sort of like the plot line
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  Track 1: that we find out immediately,
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  Track 1: which is probably the most accurate depiction of what actually would happen
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  Track 1: in like a fascist regime to like plan some like evil thing.
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  Track 1: I mean, maybe it wouldn't play out exactly like this, but go ahead, Bill.
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  Track 3: Can we put a pin on that? Because I do think that there's, I think there's a
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  Track 3: lot more to talk about regarding that planet and the labor.
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  Track 1: Oh, you mean the, what's the planet called? Fuck. Mineral.
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  Track 3: Wheat planet. Who cares? It doesn't matter. It's not relevant.
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  Track 2: Mineral.
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  Track 3: Sure. Farm planet.
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  Track 2: Wheat planet. Yeah.
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  Track 3: Farm planet.
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  Track 1: No, we can still talk about the farm planet.
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  Track 2: Worldwide Kansas.
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  Track 3: Who like this is which
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  Track 3: is an interesting thing
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  Track 3: because while the fact that
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  Track 3: it is very much posited as a planet that is a
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  Track 3: like a green planet a farm planet
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  Track 3: is an interesting thing because yes
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  Track 3: star wars in general does a thing where like planets are
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  Track 3: like singular biomes or whatever right like it's
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  Track 3: that's the swamp planet you know that's the whatever planet
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  Track 3: it's the desert planet right but the the
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  Track 3: fact that it's like you know oh this is like spider the like
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  Track 3: yeah spider planet um the fact
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  Track 3: that like that play like it it really as a
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  Track 3: person that's played warhammer 40k and read
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  Track 3: a lot of like 40k lore um it really brings back
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  Track 3: like 40k and how like it is very
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  Track 3: explicitly 40k is very explicitly it's like they make planets to do whole farms
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  Track 3: because 40k is explicitly a fascist Like the Imperium of Man is explicitly a
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  Track 3: fascist faction of fascist people oppressing their, their citizens. And, um.
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  Track 3: There's a difference between a swamp planet and a desert planet and a, that's a farm planet.
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  Track 3: Because a swamp planet is a swamp planet because it's a swamp planet.
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  Track 3: A farm planet is a farm planet because someone looked at a planet and said,
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  Track 3: we're going to put all farms there and then put people there and then they work
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  Track 3: those farms. That's their fucking job.
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  Track 3: It didn't spawn from the universe as a farm planet.
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  Track 1: Yeah, there wasn't just rows of corn growing one day.
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  Track 2: Yeah, this is peak empire hyper exploitation.
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  Track 3: Somebody made that choice to do that and then have people there who are undocumented
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  Track 3: because it is still cheaper.
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  Track 3: And then when the empire comes, when the law comes, it starts rounding up people.
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  Track 3: Who gets punished? Is it the guy running the farm?
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  Track 3: No, it's the worker. They didn't shoot, you know, they didn't shoot the farmer.
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  Track 3: They didn't drag him away. I mean, you know, the guy who owned the farm,
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  Track 3: they didn't drag him away. No. They said, where's your undocumented workers?
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  Track 1: Give us them. And you also see that initially they're on your side.
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  Track 1: Like, oh, I'm going to defend you because I need this labor.
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  Track 1: And then they realize it's actually better for them to just turn you in because they'd rather live.
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  Track 1: They'll just find a different undocumented.
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  Track 3: Just find out one.
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  Track 1: I was thinking about, you were talking about how they turned this planet into
• 22:09
  Track 1: this because they noticed the climate is hospitable to grain, right?
• 22:14
  Track 1: But this predates the modern, well, this current iteration of the empire.
• 22:19
  Track 1: So it would have actually been the regular Galactic Republic who did that?
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  Track 3: Well, I mean, the regular Galactic Republic. I mean, what is the difference
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  Track 3: between- The one that has slavery?
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  Track 1: That's what I was going to say.
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  Track 3: The one that has slavery? Yeah.
• 22:30
  Track 2: That checks, yeah.
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  Track 3: What's the difference between a neoliberal democracy and a fascist state?
• 22:41
  Track 1: What is the difference? That's our one doesn't.
• 22:43
  Track 3: Like, the difference between those two things are very minor.
• 22:49
  Track 3: And that is something that, like, people in real life really need to come to terms with.
• 22:55
  Track 3: Like, this is an argument that we have had so many times. is america ward evan
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  Track 3: is america fascist yes yes when did america become fascist.
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  Track 1: The day it started always.
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  Track 3: Right how many people we talk how many people if you walked out if i walked
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  Track 3: upstairs right now and i turned to my father-in-law and i said hey joe is american
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  Track 3: fascist you might like wiffle on it right now be like well you know trump is
• 23:21
  Track 3: you know now i'm like but was it fascist 10 years ago?
• 23:24
  Track 3: Was it fascist in the 60s? Was it fascist in the 50s? No.
• 23:28
  Track 3: Oh, it wasn't. It wasn't fascist when black people couldn't vote,
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  Track 3: when women couldn't vote, when we were committing genocide against Americans.
• 23:40
  Track 3: Oh, it wasn't fascist then.
• 23:42
  Track 3: Like, fascism doesn't start because white people are affected.
• 23:47
  Track 3: That's the way fascism works.
• 23:48
  Track 3: But Americans really seem to think that's the way it works.
• 23:52
  Track 3: Oh, absolutely. Are white people affected? Oh, no, it's fascists.
• 23:56
  Track 3: It's not the way they work.
• 23:57
  Track 2: Yeah, because they'll be like, dude, we fought the Nazis. We beat the Nazis.
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  Track 2: And it's like, dude, our soldiers started fights in bars because they let black
• 24:08
  Track 2: people drink in them. What are you fucking talking about?
• 24:12
  Track 2: That's what we were doing in World War II. We didn't beat the Nazis.
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  Track 3: We brought them home.
• 24:16
  Track 2: Yeah, en masse. And then we gave them high-ranking positions in NATO, too. Like, come on.
• 24:22
  Track 1: And TikTok. like the people well i mean like the nato people like working tic tac that was the,
• 24:28
  Track 1: progression there no i i think that's like it's a very that when i was saying
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  Track 1: that it was the galactic empire before that was literally like going to be the
• 24:37
  Track 1: next word it's like it's not a different system it's just basically okay it's
• 24:40
  Track 1: like a sith was in charge okay he's gone you know i don't know i don't really know the what.
• 24:46
  Track 2: Because they had the nice cops around in the republic.
• 24:48
  Track 1: They had some Jedis. Ooh.
• 24:51
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Track 3: Like, the Jedi really are...
• 24:55
  Track 1: NATO.
• 24:56
  Track 3: Yeah, like... Man, yeah.
• 24:59
  Track 3: I mean, the Jedi are basically Ukraine. I mean, they literally kidnap children
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  Track 3: and make them into soldiers.
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  Track 1: And then kill them. I mean, one of their own. Episode three, for anyone who's...
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  Track 3: Who would not abide by sexual assault.
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  Track 2: Definitely not. no he would never.
• 25:20
  Track 1: Yeah he's really against that well so
• 25:22
  Track 1: that's the so for the a slight content
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  Track 1: warning in the third episode of this show of third
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  Track 1: episode is that their bix is a one
• 25:32
  Track 1: of the empires i don't know what they call them police guard
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  Track 1: like head of the group that goes to this
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  Track 1: planet to arrest migrant workers essentially tries to rape bix and she beats
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  Track 1: the shit out of him kills him and it's like the very same moment cassian also
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  Track 1: lands this crazy ship and gets them out of there gets her out of there but unfortunately
• 25:54
  Track 1: leaves the poor little droid behind wait.
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  Track 3: Poor guy he's left behind i didn't.
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  Track 1: Well no just on the planet like dude.
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  Track 2: In one through six.
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  Track 1: Yeah he's still on the planet like they leave the in.
• 26:05
  Track 2: One through six he's still on the planet that's.
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  Track 1: What we're talking about their other buddy who i can't think of his name at the Oh.
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  Track 3: Yes, you're right. Still makes me sad. I love him.
• 26:16
  Track 2: I mean, when the shit went down, they didn't really have enough time to grab him, okay?
• 26:20
  Track 3: Yeah, he isn't the swiftest.
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  Track 2: Did you want to have to listen to him stutter as you have to fucking haul ass off the planet?
• 26:27
  Track 3: No, it would make you cry.
• 26:28
  Track 1: Well, so it's funny. His name, they call him B or B2, but his actual initials
• 26:33
  Track 1: are B2EMO, like he's emo. I don't know.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
• 26:38
  Track 1: It kind of feels good.
• 26:38
  Track 2: I got your picture. I'm coming with you. Ha ha ha.
• 26:44
  Track 1: Oh boy well so can we can we talk about the isb now bill and like the the yeah yeah i.
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  Track 2: Think we just talked i was gonna say i i was
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  Track 2: gonna say let me take it um i thought
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  Track 2: like with the whole bix um and the set
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  Track 2: um sexual assault like you know
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  Track 2: i we had our whole discussion like the problem with making fucking
• 27:05
  Track 2: adult media for star wars fans
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  Track 2: is that adult star wars fans are going to see it and they're basically children
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  Track 2: and they're not going to be able to handle it and they're like we got
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  Track 2: the people saying oh the empire would never allow that
• 27:17
  Track 2: it's like dude are you fucking kidding me they allow genocide and
• 27:22
  Track 2: into our next point yeah they fully
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  Track 2: encourage it it's all that's what they're all about they're fascists
• 27:28
  Track 2: you think they're going to stop at a certain point be like no no that's not
• 27:31
  Track 2: morally decent they ain't got no lines and into
• 27:34
  Track 2: our next point that we're going to talk about the um imperial meeting
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  Track 2: discussing um what the empire had
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  Track 2: plans for with gorman i thought it was
• 27:44
  Track 2: great like you were saying um how like it was such a
• 27:47
  Track 2: a good depiction of like internal fascist meeting and um i would say like a
• 27:53
  Track 2: good pairing with that episode would be that 2002 film conspiracy about the
• 27:59
  Track 2: wansi conference and the nazis and their conference and meeting coming to the
• 28:05
  Track 2: final solution for Jews.
• 28:08
  Track 2: It parallels side by side really well. And just them treating it like a business
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  Track 2: meeting, having the person in charge of the meeting have an already pre-projected
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  Track 2: plan and goal. It's just how are we going to get there?
• 28:23
  Track 2: You have the 1C conference where it's like, well, maybe we can just support them.
• 28:27
  Track 2: And then you have Andor going, oh, maybe we can manufacture a disease.
• 28:34
  Track 2: These lesser options. But Krennic is very clear, like, no, no,
• 28:38
  Track 2: no, no, we will be destroying this planet.
• 28:41
  Track 2: You need to figure out how we're going to make it happen, which is what is what
• 28:45
  Track 2: happens in the WAN-C conference with the Nazis.
• 28:48
  Track 2: It's we will get to this final solution. You're going to tell me how we're doing.
• 28:51
  Track 1: What's interesting before they get, I mean, and then you could also argue it's
• 28:55
  Track 1: a very similar final solution, which is literally, well, we can't talk about
• 28:59
  Track 1: that yet. Scratch that. Can we?
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  Track 2: I mean, it's just, it's disgust. I mean, he's talking about,
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  Track 2: they're going to have to do like gouge mining.
• 29:07
  Track 1: Right. Okay. Okay.
• 29:08
  Track 2: They're going to end up destroying the planet of Gorman.
• 29:11
  Track 1: Yes.
• 29:11
  Track 3: That's like right off the top.
• 29:12
  Track 2: We just now need to spin it. All we need to do is how are we spinning it?
• 29:16
  Track 2: How are we making it happen?
• 29:17
  Track 1: And what's very interesting is that they also, like the initial thought is like propaganda,
• 29:23
  Track 1: which is very much what you would see Nazis,
• 29:27
  Track 1: Americans, Hasbro, all of
• 29:30
  Track 1: these different things are just different versions of that and so rather
• 29:33
  Track 1: than just being like okay we'll just use propaganda like we're going to use
• 29:36
  Track 1: both propaganda and we're going to put essentially give weapons to the rebels
• 29:42
  Track 1: but like crappy rebels so that they screw it up and that we can use them to
• 29:46
  Track 1: justify our ends they use they also the the use of the term outside agitator is also,
• 29:52
  Track 1: so perfectly it's like the ultimate way to just make up a term of people who
• 29:58
  Track 1: might do stuff and then they can just use whatever force they want because we
• 30:02
  Track 1: have to save our petty bourgeois French Gormans and their silk trade.
• 30:09
  Track 3: This is a tactic we have seen. You know, we are, I'm sorry, how many days into
• 30:14
  Track 3: the genocide of Gaza are we at this point?
• 30:18
  Track 1: 18 months.
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  Track 2: Too many.
• 30:19
  Track 1: I don't know, more than that.
• 30:21
  Track 2: 18 months, yeah. I don't know the exact number of days at this point.
• 30:24
  Track 3: And so we're 18 months into a genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
• 30:29
  Track 3: And we, and all we hear about is Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas.
• 30:35
  Track 3: And if we look historically, and I want to, I want to be, I have the problems of Hamas whatsoever.
• 30:43
  Track 3: But if we look historically, who funded Hamas?
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  Track 1: Israel.
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  Track 2: Israel did.
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  Track 3: They funded it because it was a politically expedient way to destabilize,
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  Track 3: because they saw it as the group that destabilized the region and they could
• 31:00
  Track 3: paint them as the bad guys and blah, blah, blah. And it's exactly what they're doing there.
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  Track 3: Except the Gormans are way less competent. yeah oh extremely less competent yeah.
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  Track 2: They didn't have to pull the israeli move of assassinating pflp leaders and then funding hamas.
• 31:17
  Track 3: Yeah you.
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  Track 2: Know they didn't have to take out like the actual badass radical gormans and
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  Track 2: then go okay cool now we can fund these like liberal type.
• 31:25
  Track 1: I mean that's the thing suit so the planet was
• 31:28
  Track 1: such a wealthy planet for some obviously not
• 31:31
  Track 1: all the these elite people who are taking up
• 31:35
  Track 1: arms which is also interesting that they kind of use them as it i think it's
• 31:39
  Track 1: a good symbol too of maybe you could argue that eventually in the rebellion
• 31:43
  Track 1: everyone was willing to fight against the empire because of it but they use
• 31:47
  Track 1: the wealthy owners of all of like the basically the means of the owner they're
• 31:51
  Track 1: capitalists not petty bourgeois these are capitalists right.
• 31:54
  Track 3: It's hard to say like because we genuinely don't
• 31:58
  Track 3: know they don't go in depth on
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  Track 3: the economic it's like it is implied by that very fun little uh visitor video
• 32:08
  Track 3: they show at the beginning of the conference which that was a great video by
• 32:12
  Track 3: the way that was really cool a lot of fun it really like immersed you like you
• 32:17
  Track 3: felt like dude in the shots.
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  Track 2: Of krennic shadow like over top.
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  Track 3: And it started and i'm like what is this this is so like it was such a it was
• 32:27
  Track 3: such a tonal shift Such a huge tonal shift.
• 32:30
  Track 3: But like, it is almost implied in that thing that basically the spiders just do it anyway.
• 32:37
  Track 3: It's almost like they're not, like, they don't have, like, it's almost implied
• 32:42
  Track 3: they don't have labor even completing the process.
• 32:45
  Track 3: But basically it's the spiders doing it and they're just collecting it.
• 32:50
  Track 2: Well, they got mills and shit and, like, weaving machines.
• 32:53
  Track 1: Processing it and they...
• 32:54
  Track 2: Yeah, there's...
• 32:55
  Track 1: Who knows?
• 32:55
  Track 2: Like, they're not... Dude, the spiders aren't making suits and bolts of fabric.
• 32:59
  Track 3: Okay? But, you know...
• 33:01
  Track 2: They're not making the fucking yards of linen that Marx would eventually write about, okay?
• 33:07
  Track 3: But at that point, like, really, when you, like, the suits and everything,
• 33:11
  Track 3: that isn't a capitalist venture, mostly.
• 33:14
  Track 3: That's an art... Like, that could be seen as an artisan venture.
• 33:17
  Track 1: That's true. That's true.
• 33:18
  Track 3: Which is distinctly different than capitalist, you know, if we go back to- They
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  Track 3: don't really own the means of production.
• 33:26
  Track 1: They own kind of a portion of it.
• 33:28
  Track 3: Right.
• 33:29
  Track 1: Well, not own. I mean, they own a step in the process. They're not the ones
• 33:32
  Track 1: who control everything.
• 33:33
  Track 3: Right. Like, it is reasonable to, if we're going to call them like,
• 33:40
  Track 3: you know, it's like, whatever.
• 33:41
  Track 3: Wheat planet is farm planet. And Gorman is basically, it's like,
• 33:45
  Track 3: it's artisan planet. Like, like they're not, you know, like that's,
• 33:49
  Track 3: it's like heavily implied. I feel like it's heavily implied.
• 33:52
  Track 3: Like they are not, you know, the real, like they're not the capitalist class.
• 33:57
  Track 3: It feels like to me, they felt more artisan, which is real.
• 34:01
  Track 2: Yeah. I mean, they, yeah, they have like a lot of political and cultural influence
• 34:06
  Track 2: just because like they got bomb
• 34:08
  Track 2: ass clothes because of these special ass spiders, you know what I mean?
• 34:11
  Track 2: And like, because of the specialized spiders, the people for several hundred
• 34:15
  Track 2: centuries have gotten a really good at making fucking clothes and fabric.
• 34:19
  Track 2: And like, yeah, of course, we're just going to get around.
• 34:23
  Track 2: But at the end of the day, like we got a peek into the economics when we had
• 34:27
  Track 2: the, um, the business guy being like, uh, saying like, dude,
• 34:32
  Track 2: we, we import like everything. Yeah.
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  Track 3: Almost everything we.
• 34:36
  Track 2: Have to import.
• 34:36
  Track 1: Well you could maybe argue it's like we have to export given that like meeting
• 34:41
  Track 1: they have you could almost maybe have the argument that it's kind of like a
• 34:45
  Track 1: trade union like a like i don't know like a artist union of some kind maybe
• 34:50
  Track 1: officially or unofficially.
• 34:52
  Track 3: That would be my that would be makes.
• 34:55
  Track 1: More it makes more sense actually than.
• 34:56
  Track 2: Being like actual i think yeah but you saying about the imperial meeting again
• 35:00
  Track 2: that uh that reminds me of a good thing it was like how they do immediately
• 35:03
  Track 2: they have the business types because it got so many different types of imperialists there they.
• 35:07
  Track 3: Got isb.
• 35:08
  Track 2: Isa they got marketing guys.
• 35:10
  Track 3: They got a bunch of different i believe evan is referring to the meeting with
• 35:14
  Track 3: the gormans the meeting the gormans had they're like union meeting.
• 35:18
  Track 1: Yes they were.
• 35:19
  Track 3: Talking about stuff not well.
• 35:21
  Track 1: Yeah but no but i think but well yes that's what i was referring to bill is
• 35:25
  Track 1: like the i was just like giving another patent now that i've been convinced
• 35:28
  Track 1: that they're not really that wealthy like they're wealthy but they're not like you know.
• 35:32
  Track 3: It's the same kind of thing where we again we
• 35:36
  Track 3: have these discussions we're understanding understanding labor
• 35:40
  Track 3: and its relationship to the means of production
• 35:43
  Track 3: and you know this is the same thing it's
• 35:46
  Track 3: like a football player is wealthy they
• 35:49
  Track 3: are not capitalists an actor may
• 35:53
  Track 3: be wealthy they are not capitalists owning
• 35:57
  Track 3: wealth having wealth is not what makes somebody a capitalist it is your relationship
• 36:03
  Track 3: to the means of production and i would argue based on what we see that like
• 36:08
  Track 3: the gormans technically they're not capitalists they are artisans i.
• 36:14
  Track 1: Think i i agree with you i think i've been i've been uh convinced of this.
• 36:18
  Track 3: And in the end you know and i think it is a interesting you know thing to like
• 36:23
  Track 3: draw light to the fact that like, like, it comes to all of you in the end.
• 36:29
  Track 3: If you aren't a capitalist, if you are not part of that class,
• 36:32
  Track 3: it will, you can hold it off.
• 36:34
  Track 3: If you're, you know, the position of privilege or whatever, right.
• 36:37
  Track 3: But it's going to come back to you eventually. It's going to come to you.
• 36:41
  Track 1: But it seems even in the empire, even the ultra wealthy, which you don't really see too often,
• 36:48
  Track 1: you know, you don't really see, you don't like have a meeting and you have like
• 36:51
  Track 1: the owner of like, Like the person who owns all the grain on this planet or
• 36:57
  Track 1: whatever, the grain planet, it seems like anyone is susceptible to the empire.
• 37:02
  Track 1: I guess my point is like, I don't
• 37:03
  Track 1: think even the business people like the capitalists even really have.
• 37:08
  Track 1: I think it's almost like the capitalists are almost sucked into being members
• 37:13
  Track 1: of the leadership of the empire.
• 37:15
  Track 3: Yeah, it's Nazi people.
• 37:18
  Track 3: the nazi party that's that's what it is like if you want to maintain that like
• 37:25
  Track 3: that's how you and it but you fall the fuck you fall in line yeah because it's
• 37:29
  Track 3: like but also like you fall in line because it doesn't.
• 37:32
  Track 2: It's good for business.
• 37:33
  Track 3: It's good yeah it's good for you it's good for business which i mean i don't
• 37:38
  Track 3: know if we want to like talk about it now about the this constant complaints
• 37:41
  Track 3: about like they're humanizing the empire.
• 37:44
  Track 1: Well we can.
• 37:45
  Track 3: And how well.
• 37:46
  Track 1: I think we yeah So we didn't talk about Deidre. So part of the ending of this
• 37:50
  Track 1: meeting, Deidre is kind of like create, she has the idea essentially,
• 37:53
  Track 1: it's her idea to fund the rebels, like the not so good rebels.
• 37:57
  Track 1: And that's kind of what we then see. She gets put on the secret assignment for
• 38:01
  Track 1: the next two, three episodes.
• 38:02
  Track 1: She has to go to Gorman to start later on to actually being part of this.
• 38:07
  Track 1: But they send her boyfriend, or I don't know if they're actually married.
• 38:11
  Track 1: They send Cyril off to be a, you know.
• 38:15
  Track 2: They're fucking boy toys.
• 38:16
  Track 1: You have to be a little cog in the Emperor machine. He doesn't really realize what he's doing there.
• 38:21
  Track 1: He thinks he's kind of just gathering information and learning about the people
• 38:25
  Track 1: from other planets, the outside agitators.
• 38:27
  Track 1: And this leads to what you were talking about. Wait. Oh, yes.
• 38:32
  Track 1: So, like, there's a moment where you have Cyril having dinner with his mom and
• 38:39
  Track 1: Deidre at their very, very nice place on Coruscant.
• 38:42
  Track 1: And it's very coded. again the mom is like this overbearing mother and the complaint
• 38:49
  Track 1: as you said where people were saying like oh they're just they're they're just
• 38:52
  Track 1: people they're being humanized here this is wrong and i'll let you take it from there.
• 38:58
  Track 3: Well like that com are.
• 39:01
  Track 2: Fascist movements made of ghouls and goblins.
• 39:04
  Track 3: Yeah like that's the whole like that's this argument that like they're humanizing
• 39:10
  Track 3: this Like, that's the point.
• 39:12
  Track 3: Like, you, people need to come to terms with the fact that fascists are human.
• 39:19
  Track 3: They are actual humans. They're not demons.
• 39:22
  Track 3: They're not extraterrestrial beings. They did not come from beyond this,
• 39:27
  Track 3: you know, beyond the bounds of space and time.
• 39:29
  Track 3: They are human beings who have been shaped by their material conditions to follow
• 39:34
  Track 3: certain ways and go in certain ways because it benefits them.
• 39:38
  Track 3: And this need to like deny their humanity, and this applies to fucking Israel
• 39:46
  Track 3: in the point of this, this kind of like, well, they're, they're monsters,
• 39:50
  Track 3: no, they're fucking human beings.
• 39:51
  Track 3: And what that, what you need to sit with and what you really need to fucking
• 39:55
  Track 3: internalize and sit with is.
• 39:57
  Track 3: The fact that you, you could also be like that.
• 40:02
  Track 3: The fact that you aren't is because you've made either you've made choices or
• 40:07
  Track 3: because of your conditions or your circumstances.
• 40:10
  Track 3: And they are human beings. And you need to understand that movements are made
• 40:15
  Track 3: up of human beings and that it is human potential.
• 40:20
  Track 1: People don't like the idea that like their neighbor could be a Nazi.
• 40:25
  Track 3: Yeah. Then your neighbor can be a Nazi.
• 40:26
  Track 2: And so.
• 40:27
  Track 3: Could fucking you if you were a different person you're not special they're
• 40:32
  Track 3: not special these are human beings human beings do bad things.
• 40:36
  Track 2: Hell i love the difference between cyril and
• 40:40
  Track 2: deidre that we even like we know so
• 40:42
  Track 2: far within the first half where it's like yeah cyril's
• 40:46
  Track 2: a mama's boy didn't have her like like doesn't have
• 40:49
  Track 2: too much control over his life failed aspirations
• 40:53
  Track 2: he had fucking uh stormtrooper action
• 40:56
  Track 2: figures from when he was a kid so like he fucking believes in this shit but
• 41:01
  Track 2: like Deidre was raised in the fucking imperial kinder blocks is imperial to
• 41:09
  Track 2: the core and like you can just see the differences in their personality like I feel like that's such a,
• 41:16
  Track 2: good description of people who are full diehard believers and when it's convenient for.
• 41:21
  Track 1: He made a choice right he made a choice like as like.
• 41:23
  Track 2: A fanboy.
• 41:24
  Track 1: Whereas she was raised.
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  Track 2: To be this.
• 41:26
  Track 3: Person but but more than that like he's not just a fanboy yeah,
• 41:32
  Track 3: he leaves and like we see this later i'm like i don't want to i'm not gonna like spoil it but.
• 41:40
  Track 2: God it's so hard not to talk about past.
• 41:42
  Track 3: Six genuinely he is
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  Track 3: not just a fan boy he believes that he is a good person yeah and that he is
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  Track 3: doing good things for other people he believes he is doing right for other people.
• 42:02
  Track 3: He believes he's serving a system that is beneficial to people at large. Like, he believes that.
• 42:10
  Track 3: Like, Deidre, I believe, dehumanizes everybody else because she has been taught that.
• 42:17
  Track 3: She does not care because she cares about the Empire and its goals.
• 42:22
  Track 3: She dehumanizes those people.
• 42:25
  Track 3: Cyril genuinely, I feel like I think it becomes clear as the season goes on.
• 42:32
  Track 3: Cyril genuinely believes in the supposed beliefs of the empire.
• 42:38
  Track 3: It's like believing the American way.
• 42:40
  Track 2: The American dream. I believe in our ideals. You know, we uphold freedom and
• 42:44
  Track 2: liberty and law and order and international rules based order.
• 42:48
  Track 2: You know, that's what we do.
• 42:49
  Track 1: Cyril voted for Obama, but then voted for Trump.
• 42:52
  Track 3: A hundred percent.
• 42:53
  Track 2: Oh, for sure. Yeah.
• 42:55
  Track 3: Like that is that character. He believes that he's doing right. And he's miserable.
• 43:02
  Track 1: That's like the irony of it too, is he hates his job. Yeah.
• 43:08
  Track 1: somehow he sees it like i i think i i love when he goes in the very first day
• 43:13
  Track 1: or the few days they show the imperial security bureau where uh not the isb
• 43:17
  Track 1: where does he work the it's like standard yeah it's.
• 43:20
  Track 3: Just standards but.
• 43:21
  Track 1: They go into the room where he's working there's like hundreds and thousands
• 43:24
  Track 1: of computers of people just like checking a shipment or like who knows what
• 43:30
  Track 1: so that the empire could save like nine cents on some like tariff you know or
• 43:33
  Track 1: some shit and like that's that's what he believes is like a necessary thing you know i.
• 43:40
  Track 2: Used to think that that would be like a good end to cyril's character is just
• 43:44
  Track 2: like an off-screen non-actual death death is just him just disappearing into
• 43:50
  Track 2: the fucking bureau of standards as like another automaton but then i wouldn't
• 43:54
  Track 2: get him laying in the bed like so i'm kind of torn.
• 43:59
  Track 1: Yeah people have probably seen that meme which is like.
• 44:03
  Track 2: So funny brilliant actor and like super relatable totally get it yeah you know
• 44:09
  Track 2: what i mean like your mom razzing on your mom's getting you too hard yeah.
• 44:14
  Track 3: I do that every day.
• 44:16
  Track 1: Just collapse on your bed yeah for the weight of it's and it's funny like the
• 44:22
  Track 1: way you're meant to almost interpret it is he's like can't deal with his mother
• 44:25
  Track 1: but i think what he also is like unspoken is he can't deal with this,
• 44:30
  Track 1: world that Deidre has like almost sucked him into further because she's also
• 44:35
  Track 1: indoctrinating him even more as he's going through.
• 44:40
  Track 3: I don't know.
• 44:40
  Track 2: I don't feel like it's the latter. I feel like it's only the former.
• 44:44
  Track 3: I think she is. I think she sees him.
• 44:46
  Track 2: I think it's all mom. That's all mom reaction.
• 44:49
  Track 1: Wait, say that again.
• 44:50
  Track 3: I think she sees him 100% as a tool. I don't think she's indoctrinated.
• 44:54
  Track 3: I don't think she gives him enough respect or credit to think he deserves to be indoctrinated.
• 45:03
  Track 1: Oh, so you think that it's more just she sees him as an asset, basically.
• 45:07
  Track 3: I mean, like, I think she sees him the way a, like, I think she sees him the
• 45:15
  Track 3: way a, a canine police officer sees his dog.
• 45:19
  Track 3: Like, he might be like, he's there. That's a, I love my dog. Good dog.
• 45:25
  Track 3: Treat him very nicely. But also I'll shoot that fucker if it's in the way of the suspect. Like.
• 45:31
  Track 2: Department will issue me another one.
• 45:33
  Track 3: Yeah. I'll get another one.
• 45:34
  Track 1: I'll just get another little doggie.
• 45:36
  Track 3: Like, I think she genuinely, like, I don't, again, this goes back to,
• 45:40
  Track 3: like, she, capitalism and fascism breeds sociopathy.
• 45:48
  Track 3: And I think it would be difficult to describe Deidre in any other way than sociopathic.
• 45:54
  Track 1: Well, she, we think I, we, I think either one of them, I think maybe I sensed
• 45:57
  Track 1: you both is that she studied other women sort of sociopaths of history to prepare
• 46:04
  Track 1: for her character and she nails it.
• 46:06
  Track 2: Does a great job.
• 46:08
  Track 3: She's scary.
• 46:09
  Track 1: Well, so this is a maybe not on a happier note, but a different note,
• 46:13
  Track 1: since we're talking about how they people were complaining about the humanization of the fascists.
• 46:18
  Track 1: The one thing about this that I thought the character development of like Bix
• 46:24
  Track 1: when she's sort of in between missions and she's staying in the safe house and
• 46:27
  Track 1: she's having, you know, she's having it hard.
• 46:30
  Track 1: she needs to start taking a drug to help her sleep
• 46:32
  Track 1: because of not just not just attempt to being raped
• 46:35
  Track 1: but also just the weight of all of this cassian and
• 46:38
  Track 1: or can like you don't think he can sleep very well
• 46:41
  Track 1: i don't think he mentions it at some point it's just you you
• 46:44
  Track 1: don't often see like the the the toll
• 46:47
  Track 1: of revolution or any of these things on
• 46:50
  Track 1: a person's body physically mentally
• 46:55
  Track 1: all of it it's all very it's not just like
• 46:57
  Track 1: oh he just went on another mission ha ha ha he got home and like he went back
• 47:01
  Track 1: out again it's like he actually showing prolonged moments of him at home doing
• 47:06
  Track 1: nothing cooking a dinner being too scared to go to the grocery store to buy
• 47:10
  Track 1: like some fruit or whatever that thing was like all of those things is just it adds to the,
• 47:16
  Track 1: complexity of the show and i appreciate that.
• 47:19
  Track 3: This is in no way shape or form glorifies I don't know.
• 47:23
  Track 3: like rebellion or revolution or fighting a system that wants to crush you no
• 47:32
  Track 3: it's almost like this sucks it makes me think yeah.
• 47:35
  Track 2: I mean they made it clear in season one when it's like this shit sucks you know
• 47:41
  Track 2: especially like hell you gotta make the choice 50 50 plus krieger or my one dude.
• 47:48
  Track 3: It makes and.
• 47:49
  Track 2: Even this comes more closer to home in this aspect in more personable seeing the emotional toll.
• 47:56
  Track 3: It makes me physical it makes me um it
• 47:59
  Track 3: really brings to mind a quote from a completely different property um from a
• 48:04
  Track 3: a podcast a dnd real play podcast in which the characters uh the dm says um
• 48:12
  Track 3: when you the beginning the fight for a better world,
• 48:19
  Track 3: when you begin the fight for a better world, you do not immediately step out to a better world.
• 48:25
  Track 3: You step out to the nightmares waiting to defeat you from bringing about that better world.
• 48:32
  Track 3: Like, you don't wake up and go, I'm going to fight for a better world,
• 48:36
  Track 3: and then step out like, glorious fight. It's great.
• 48:39
  Track 2: Oh, that was awesome. That was easy.
• 48:40
  Track 3: You step out to all of the things arrayed against you saying, no.
• 48:46
  Track 1: And that fits also well with what Nemec said when they're on,
• 48:51
  Track 1: was it Aldani, right? Aldani?
• 48:53
  Track 1: In the first season, and he's describing how deep the empire goes and it's not
• 48:59
  Track 1: just, it's the amount of effort that they need to keep everything in order.
• 49:04
  Track 1: They have to have one atrocity and one horrible thing after one,
• 49:06
  Track 1: after another, because if they don't, it has to keep moving.
• 49:10
  Track 1: And so they're tired from doing all this horrible shit and the rebels are tired
• 49:16
  Track 1: from having to deal in all of each of these individual horrors and making sense
• 49:21
  Track 1: and deciding when to pick their battles and it's,
• 49:23
  Track 1: you know, R.I.P. Nemec, Karl Marx,
• 49:28
  Track 1: or Lennon, whatever you want to call him.
• 49:30
  Track 3: He was both. He was multiple things. Multiple people.
• 49:33
  Track 1: Marx, Lennon, Stalin. Yeah. Engels. I mean,
• 49:36
  Track 1: I guess that was partly to say is that some of episode four when,
• 49:41
  Track 1: I think is when Andor has to then go to Gorman himself to kind of help them with their little...
• 49:50
  Track 1: you know uh.
• 49:51
  Track 2: Yeah he does like an evaluation yes right right he goes there he's like his.
• 49:56
  Track 1: Name was really funny he used that was um.
• 49:58
  Track 2: Oh yeah it was very uh like.
• 50:01
  Track 1: Something star no not star i can't remember what it.
• 50:05
  Track 2: Was yeah it was uh varian varian sky.
• 50:07
  Track 1: That's it yeah.
• 50:09
  Track 2: It's just a great name very better than keith gergo yeah.
• 50:12
  Track 3: That's a good that's a good man and.
• 50:15
  Track 1: And also the thing that plit.
• 50:17
  Track 2: Keith gargo is very glup shit out just saying greatest.
• 50:24
  Track 3: Fucking greatest thing to come out of star wars other than andor glup shit out.
• 50:28
  Track 2: I mean jizz is up there that's true as love to play me some jizz you can cut.
• 50:35
  Track 3: This but i don't know what i don't know what scene it was and we're watching
• 50:40
  Track 3: and jackie looks up at me and she goes does this count as jizz.
• 50:45
  Track 2: Please don't tell me it was during the wedding when Mon was dancing okay thank
• 50:50
  Track 2: god that would have just cut the fucking moment so hard.
• 50:56
  Track 3: Oh, actually, it was about the Weird Al song.
• 51:01
  Track 3: Whatever, the Weird Al song about episode, you know, the Podracer movie.
• 51:07
  Track 3: She goes, is this kind of jizz? No, this is just about Star Wars.
• 51:12
  Track 2: Yeah. Is jizz adjacent?
• 51:16
  Track 3: No, it has none of the stylistic tendencies of jizz.
• 51:20
  Track 1: The other the other uh thing that will eventually
• 51:23
  Track 1: i think come in later and it happens only once in
• 51:26
  Track 1: the first season where we or maybe it's actually two scenes where we bring in
• 51:30
  Track 1: saw guerrera again and it's in part because he's kind of on his own separate
• 51:35
  Track 1: planet and he's getting this extremely volatile uh fuel what is it right don't you it's.
• 51:44
  Track 3: Rido rydonium yeah.
• 51:45
  Track 1: And he has this first and also he's
• 51:48
  Track 1: extremely smart too because he brings in someone to
• 51:51
  Track 1: handle it and he thinks the person on the planet is gonna like be the be cool
• 51:55
  Track 1: and be it turns out that he's a rebel uh not a rebel an empire spy and then
• 52:00
  Track 1: is this is it in episode five or six when he like breathes it in it's not gonna
• 52:04
  Track 1: have to cut it yeah it is right where he huffs it i.
• 52:08
  Track 2: Don't hold on give me a second i want to say it might have been at the end of.
• 52:12
  Track 1: Five so it does happen give me a second yes you're right yeah it's five it's
• 52:17
  Track 1: where they're extracting this very volatile substance like you have to know
• 52:21
  Track 1: it perfectly and if not you die but saul's like i'm just gonna huff that shit because.
• 52:28
  Track 2: I mean so real quick i don't even think saul
• 52:32
  Track 2: was 100 certain that that dude he was supposed that was supposed to be being
• 52:38
  Track 2: trained was an imperial spy i think he just did it so that no one would fucking
• 52:44
  Track 2: question him and that he would have an excuse to bring the guy that was actually capable of doing.
• 52:49
  Track 1: The job. So you don't think he was actually a spy, he just killed the guy?
• 52:52
  Track 2: No. I mean dude, Saw Gerrera himself says he's fucking crazy,
• 52:58
  Track 2: and everything we see in any fucking media about Saw Gerrera,
• 53:03
  Track 2: the man operates on a level of yes, I'm doing this for the fucking revolution,
• 53:07
  Track 2: for the rebellion but I am not operating in any way, sense or form that I will
• 53:12
  Track 2: see the rebellion, the revolution come.
• 53:16
  Track 2: I plan to go down in flames at some point during all this shit.
• 53:20
  Track 2: He doesn't operate with a fucking end goal.
• 53:22
  Track 3: Sol Greer is 100% an anarchist. And like, the idea of like,
• 53:29
  Track 3: burn it down like no plan no no like i.
• 53:35
  Track 2: Can't wait for episode two i can harp on this.
• 53:37
  Track 3: Like saw guerrera honestly i i hate saw guerrera i hate saw guerrera and i hate
• 53:45
  Track 3: his presence in this he undercuts things i feel like because he serves as this like almost like.
• 53:56
  Track 1: Like a foil.
• 53:57
  Track 3: Yeah like he serves as this like foil for like reasonable like revolutionary
• 54:05
  Track 3: thought process it's like he it's like you know it's just the he's so unhinged i hate saw guerrera.
• 54:14
  Track 1: Yeah same it i was was it in something that i sent that said that saw guerrera
• 54:21
  Track 1: was like uh osama bin laden or something.
• 54:24
  Track 3: I didn't i.
• 54:26
  Track 1: Saw someone like like some.
• 54:27
  Track 3: Oh wait you know yes somebody called him space bin laden.
• 54:31
  Track 1: Space bin laden yeah which you cannot like him but that's also it's like i have
• 54:36
  Track 1: mixed opinions about him because he did do things that were necessary and helpful was.
• 54:41
  Track 2: He funded by the empire in the beginning like bin laden.
• 54:44
  Track 3: Not as far as i mean just.
• 54:47
  Track 1: Saying it would have had to been.
• 54:48
  Track 3: Did was he on time where was the.
• 54:50
  Track 2: Operation cyclone for saw.
• 54:52
  Track 3: Guerrera did he get interviewed by barbara walters and be uh put on time magazine as handsome man yeah.
• 54:57
  Track 2: Did he get put on the fucking cover of new york times as a brave uh anti-rebel
• 55:01
  Track 2: fighter well if he blew up both.
• 55:03
  Track 1: Of the uh both of the death stars then he could have made a better comparison.
• 55:06
  Track 3: Was he the twin was he thanked by the.
• 55:11
  Track 2: The twin stars if he took down the twin stars with a few.
• 55:14
  Track 3: Planes was he thanked by the star wars version of rambo as one of the brave
• 55:18
  Track 3: mouchardine fighters the yeah the brave rebellion Yeah.
• 55:23
  Track 2: Star Wars version of Rainbow Three was he included.
• 55:28
  Track 3: Somehow I don't think Saw Gerrera is Space Bin Laden.
• 55:32
  Track 2: Yeah, that's just a reach.
• 55:34
  Track 3: I think he is, I find him as a character to be one of the weaker aspects of
• 55:41
  Track 3: like the rebellion story.
• 55:43
  Track 3: But specifically like the idea of like, I think he undercuts the notion of the
• 55:51
  Track 3: revolution functioning.
• 55:52
  Track 3: And maybe that's his point. maybe that's the point
• 55:55
  Track 3: of having is to say like actually you need to actually again like we said before
• 56:00
  Track 3: or i might be thinking of another episode we did um you know it's like you need
• 56:07
  Track 3: to actually want to fight for something not just because you hate something
• 56:10
  Track 3: you need to want something you need to have a belief in the future that's.
• 56:15
  Track 1: What luthan's very clear about like he's he he understands what that's the the
• 56:20
  Track 1: meeting when luthan actually goes to seesaw is like the two polar opposites
• 56:25
  Track 1: it's like very clear how how much difference they are and there's some.
• 56:29
  Track 3: Things that i'll say later.
• 56:30
  Track 1: In the next one that i can't say yet.
• 56:32
  Track 2: I mean i could throw in i could throw in my hot take luthan is a more refined
• 56:38
  Track 2: saw guerrera i think he operates on the same level that he doesn't actually
• 56:43
  Track 2: see expect to see the rebellion he plans on dying and it's.
• 56:48
  Track 3: Yeah in.
• 56:49
  Track 2: The process he is very much operating on that same level but he's more refined he's understands more.
• 56:57
  Track 3: He also about.
• 56:58
  Track 2: The weight of the consequences in the direction that he should be moving.
• 57:03
  Track 3: Yes but i also think that he is fundamentally i think internally like he is
• 57:10
  Track 3: fighting for something not just against something like that is like in reality,
• 57:17
  Track 3: like that is the, the main conflict between anarchism and Marxist Leninism.
• 57:25
  Track 3: It's the idea. It's like you, you,
• 57:29
  Track 3: need like you have to plan out not just like
• 57:32
  Track 3: i want this and then just like map like you
• 57:35
  Track 3: actually have to like have a process you actually have to like have a whole
• 57:39
  Track 3: thing and like think it through and fight for something and not just against
• 57:44
  Track 3: something to bring it down in the hopes that if you bring it down something
• 57:49
  Track 3: better will come like that's the whole point.
• 57:52
  Track 2: Yeah but we also get some contention there in like
• 57:55
  Track 2: that same ideology but like in different veins because we got luthan operating
• 57:59
  Track 2: on the same same way he's always been doing but even cas casian andors hanging
• 58:04
  Track 2: out in the oven you know he's taking a step back from luthan in his ways and
• 58:09
  Track 2: he's like no no no we can't do this on our own we gotta build an army oh.
• 58:13
  Track 3: Yeah i do think that luthan we've seen like luthan is lost in his own his own
• 58:18
  Track 3: shit too like he is definitely it's that individuals he still is thinking too
• 58:23
  Track 3: individually at a certain level like.
• 58:26
  Track 1: It luthan seems to set things in motion find the right people he's like a good
• 58:33
  Track 1: judge of character it seems like he's running a source inside the isb he's doing
• 58:38
  Track 1: all these things but i think.
• 58:39
  Track 2: Dude he's a capable refined saw guerrera he's disciplined he's more capable
• 58:45
  Track 2: but at the end of the day he's at that same wavelength where like he's not expecting
• 58:53
  Track 2: to see anything in the future like cas is trying to build a life with bix there'll.
• 58:58
  Track 1: Be more to say.
• 58:59
  Track 2: About uh.
• 58:59
  Track 1: Luthan in the in the second sec.
• 59:02
  Track 2: Absolutely i don't think god i wish we i.
• 59:05
  Track 3: Don't think we're gonna get to four through six.
• 59:08
  Track 1: Well we talked a little bit about four through six didn't we i mean sol guerrero.
• 59:13
  Track 2: Happens we haven't talked about the heist at all.
• 59:16
  Track 1: What's that?
• 59:17
  Track 2: You haven't talked about the heist. The second heist.
• 59:21
  Track 1: I mean, the heist is only... It's okay.
• 59:25
  Track 3: As a, like, you know, I honestly think we should actually separate things to three.
• 59:34
  Track 1: Oh, so three, three, three, and three?
• 59:37
  Track 3: Yeah. Like, I actually don't think... Like, I don't think we're going to get...
• 59:41
  Track 3: I don't think... And I think we would all be well-served to...
• 59:45
  Track 2: We just talked about.
• 59:46
  Track 3: Rewatch yeah we could yeah but like i think we'd be well served to like rewatch
• 59:51
  Track 3: and then do it because i think we're gonna yeah.
• 59:54
  Track 2: We're bouncing around.
• 59:55
  Track 3: A lot i feel like it would be we.
• 59:57
  Track 2: Also don't have.
• 59:58
  Track 3: On a professional point i feel like i think we'd be well served.
• 1:00:01
  Track 1: Like was there anything from the first three episodes that we missed i mean
• 1:00:06
  Track 1: i think the only other thing i can think of i.
• 1:00:09
  Track 2: Just want to know more about the monsters on yavin 4.
• 1:00:12
  Track 3: Yeah That is like that. Like the first episode was honestly.
• 1:00:16
  Track 3: What? That was the first episode, right?
• 1:00:18
  Track 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Track 3: That whole thing.
• 1:00:20
  Track 2: What? The Yavin thing? No, it was two.
• 1:00:23
  Track 3: Oh yeah, it was two. Yeah. Like that is.
• 1:00:25
  Track 2: The first episode was stealing the, uh, experimental interceptor tie fucking thing.
• 1:00:31
  Track 3: Which.
• 1:00:32
  Track 1: And the meeting.
• 1:00:33
  Track 3: You know, we actually didn't talk about the actual like theft.
• 1:00:36
  Track 3: And now like, and it's important to remember. And this is like an important
• 1:00:40
  Track 3: factor to remember in terms of like people that like, like for instance,
• 1:00:45
  Track 3: like today I saw some video and this person's like, just like, we're doomed.
• 1:00:48
  Track 3: They won or whatever. It's like, it feels overwhelming.
• 1:00:51
  Track 3: They don't have control of everything.
• 1:00:54
  Track 3: They are literally the boy sticking their thumb in the dam.
• 1:00:58
  Track 3: Like that cast. And like, this is, we have many parallels in real life. He steals a top secret.
• 1:01:06
  Track 3: And why? Because somebody that works there is like, she's there.
• 1:01:11
  Track 3: She's like, yeah, she's totally helping them out.
• 1:01:14
  Track 3: She's a plant. She's in there. She's on their side. She's helping them out 100%.
• 1:01:18
  Track 3: And throughout history, we have seen that.
• 1:01:21
  Track 3: They will never, ever be able to keep everything down. You plug a hole, another one comes out.
• 1:01:29
  Track 3: It's the way it always is.
• 1:01:30
  Track 1: Do we ever really know the point of them even taking that? They don't ever really.
• 1:01:36
  Track 2: No, we don't really learn. We don't really learn. I mean, it's just a cool scene.
• 1:01:41
  Track 2: I'm not going to lie. It's fucking sick.
• 1:01:42
  Track 2: Seeing him just fucking crash that thing fucking around.
• 1:01:45
  Track 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Track 2: That was the one storm trooper just hauls ass out of there really fucking fast.
• 1:01:50
  Track 2: He's like, nah, I'm not fucking staying.
• 1:01:52
  Track 3: Yeah. When he finally, like they are all shooting at him and he's like, I have a, I have a ship.
• 1:01:57
  Track 2: I have guns.
• 1:01:58
  Track 1: Oh, and they're.
• 1:01:59
  Track 3: Just like people and he's just like and they're yeah i can't fly but.
• 1:02:05
  Track 1: Um i.
• 1:02:06
  Track 2: Can work these guns.
• 1:02:07
  Track 1: Real quick reminded me of uh in in the movie uh in in independence day when
• 1:02:11
  Track 1: will smith is yeah flying the craft and he like realizes that like forward is
• 1:02:16
  Track 1: backwards and he flips the little thing over and he yeah shoots it out i was
• 1:02:18
  Track 1: like one of those moments seemed like everything was just backwards i don't know yeah wrong oh.
• 1:02:23
  Track 3: The garage door is closed it doesn't matter i have like a laser just like a
• 1:02:28
  Track 3: b like i don't know what the fuck that was like just a thing that melts shit and i'm just yeah.
• 1:02:33
  Track 2: I'm leaving i love when the my pay my pay brigade asks him like what's this
• 1:02:37
  Track 2: button dude he's like i wouldn't,
• 1:02:38
  Track 2: what does it do i don't know it's a it does crazy shit what is it i'll fucking
• 1:02:45
  Track 2: know though don't ask me i just fly the.
• 1:02:48
  Track 1: Theory about the plan the plane and maybe it's not that they actually knew this
• 1:02:53
  Track 1: is it possible that his contact inside of this, wherever it was,
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  Track 1: this hangar, this base, or was it a base? Was it a, somewhere. Wherever it was.
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  Track 1: Is it possible that the technology that was on this little new TIE fighter is
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  Track 1: in some way related to the Death
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  Track 1: Star and they're somehow trying to get information on, like, new tech?
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  Track 1: And maybe they're testing, like, Death Star tech on, like, a small scale on
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  Track 1: this little TIE fighter? I don't know.
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  Track 3: Yeah, that thing he did shoot, it did do that, like, coalescent thing.
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  Track 3: It felt like a mini death star. Yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it felt like a very much like scaled down prototype phase of that.
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  Track 2: I don't know for sure if that's why they were going for it. I mean,
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  Track 2: I think it's just because, hey, we have this.
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  Track 1: Yeah, they didn't know what the Death Star, they don't know what the Death Star is.
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  Track 2: This girl that wants to defect, she wants like this woman who wants to defect.
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  Track 2: She wants to fucking be a part of it. She has access to this facility.
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  Track 2: So we should take advantage of this while we have the chance.
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  Track 2: No, yeah, we could easily scoop her up and, like, fucking bring her to our side,
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  Track 2: but might as well utilize her while we can before we extract her.
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  Track 1: Well, not only that, is they could theoretically, maybe they're thinking we
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  Track 1: can, like, reverse engineer this technology.
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  Track 2: Oh, yeah, probably that, too. You know, like, steps down the line,
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  Track 2: but it was probably more circumstantial that, like, oh, hey,
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  Track 2: this is a good recruit. What are you doing?
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  Track 2: Oh, that's what you do? Hell, yeah, let's do this.
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  Track 3: I do think it's like, it's interesting though, that like the,
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  Track 3: in the first two episodes, like Cass's storyline is by far the weakest.
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  Track 3: Like his storyline in the first two episodes, like his storyline is by far the
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  Track 3: weakest, like just unnecessarily, we could have cut his storyline could have
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  Track 3: been cut from those first two episodes. no bearing on the story and not only.
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  Track 2: No bearing on the story.
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  Track 3: But like no like loss to like plot or importance or emotional impact like.
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  Track 2: Or like even character arc the only like character growth we see from and or
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  Track 2: in the first two episodes is when he tells the um tells that um the,
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  Track 2: experimental pilot tech or the experimental ship tech who's defecting like oh
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  Track 2: no no no you're risking everything feel free to ask as many questions as you
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  Track 2: want and like that's only because he never got to ask questions to Luthan,
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  Track 2: that's really the only growth we see in that and it's what a half a second line
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  Track 2: which I do think is an important thing oh yeah no it's definitely good to see but like a minor tone.
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  Track 3: Yeah that was that's episode one he lands on that planet on episode one.
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  Track 2: Yeah also I want to know more about the monsters they're really big for nocturnal creatures like yeah,
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  Track 2: I'm just saying, normally nocturnal creatures are small, but,
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  Track 2: like, them dudes are big.
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  Track 3: They're really big.
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  Track 2: And then, like, what? Oh, never mind.
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  Track 3: What?
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  Track 2: I mean, no, that's not spoiling anything. We know eventually that the Rebel base is on Yavin 4.
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  Track 1: Yeah, because...
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  Track 2: So, like... What, do they get rid of all...
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  Track 1: It's because the timeline's name is B-Y-Y.
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  Track 2: Does the rebellion escape?
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  Track 3: Okay, yeah, I'm sorry. That's the one thing. That is a... They never explain
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  Track 3: that. It's just B-B-Y-1.
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  Track 3: B-B-Y-2. It's never explained in context because how could it be? How could it be?
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  Track 3: Because that is literally. It hasn't happened yet.
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  Track 3: They have back. They have backdated from another fucking thing. I'm sorry.
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  Track 1: That was a fan service.
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  Track 3: Whoever made that decision should be fired. That is a terrible choice.
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  Track 2: My wife, Joy, she even asked me like a few episodes and she was like,
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  Track 2: what the fuck is BBY? Why?
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  Track 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, no, that totally makes sense. You wouldn't fucking know that.
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  Track 3: Why would anybody know that?
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  Track 2: You know? Why would anyone know that?
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  Track 3: I.
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  Track 2: Yeah. The fact that I knew, I felt bad. I was like, fuck, why do I know this?
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  Track 3: I thought about it. I'm like, is it? I'm like, it can't be that.
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  Track 3: I literally was like, it can't be that. There's no fucking way.
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  Track 3: I'm like, I figured it out and I convinced myself I was wrong and Googled it.
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  Track 1: I already knew.
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  Track 3: I found out I was right and I was annoyed.
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  Track 2: I already knew.
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  Track 1: I knew only because if you Google the timeline of just things,
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  Track 1: the movies, it does it based on the B-B-Y.
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  Track 2: Everything Star Wars timeline is B-B-Y.
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  Track 3: Oh, see, I've blocked that from my memory because I don't care about the sequels.
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  Track 2: B-B-Y and A-B-Y.
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  Track 3: See, the sequels don't matter to me, so nothing happens.
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  Track 1: But I can understand.
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  Track 2: Everything important is B-B-Y, all right? Everything important is B-B-Y.
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  Track 1: People in the 500 B.C. weren't calling it B.C.
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  Track 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Track 1: Before what we don't know that that doesn't happen yet that's.
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  Track 3: A joke in the asterisk cartoon.
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  Track 1: But I think the only reason they decided to do that was to simply,
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  Track 1: there's no reason why couldn't they just be like, one year later, one year later.
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  Track 1: Like, what do they need one year later, you know?
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  Track 3: BBY.
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  Track 2: For the theatrical re-release of Rogue One, where they go, like, BBY One.
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  Track 1: It's like practically, you know, a month before, I don't know the exact number
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  Track 1: of days, because it's not really.
• 1:08:17
  Track 1: Yeah, something fucking. Between the end of Rogue One and episode four is like
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  Track 1: literally at the same time. They end and the other one starts.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 3: So Ward, when they release it in the theater, you're going to hop over.
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  Track 3: You're coming over to the East Coast, right? For like, we're going to do like
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  Track 3: a whole like movie thing.
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  Track 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.
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  Track 1: I almost watched Rogue One after finishing it. I knew I wouldn't finish it before
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  Track 1: we recorded this film. Like, am I going to just go right into it?
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  Track 1: And after this might do that. I don't know.
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  Track 3: I'm going to, but then I'm going to.
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  Track 2: Yeah, I'm going to watch it very soon.
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  Track 1: I think I've seen Rogue One probably only maybe three or four times,
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  Track 1: but there's no point in watching any of the other ones again.
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  Track 3: Oh.
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  Track 1: Honestly, I don't think there's anything we really missed from the first three. I don't know.
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  Track 1: But we will catch you on the next episode of Andor.