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Ethan Crumbley Parents Want Evidence Thrown Out in Their Involuntary Manslaughter Trials · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a mother and dad actually
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Speaker 1: part of a school shooting that left four students dead,
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Speaker 1: including sixteen year old Tate Meyer, sixteen year old Justin Schilling,
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old Hannah Saint Juliana, and seventeen year old
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Speaker 1: Madison Baldwin. Seven others injured. Parents actually had a hand
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Speaker 1: in the shooting in the last hours a development, I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Crime Stories and on sirius XM one
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Speaker 1: eleven now. While Jennifer Crumley and her husband claim they
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Speaker 1: have no responsibility for what their son, Ethan Crumley did,
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Speaker 1: that is murder and mame school students. The state response,
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Speaker 1: judge Cheryl Matthews said texts and writings in Ethan Crumley's
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Speaker 1: journal show his intent and that he talked to his
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Speaker 1: parents about his mental health and that they should have
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Speaker 1: been aware of his mental state. The judge also pointed
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Speaker 1: out that violent video games that Ethan Crumbley played can
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Speaker 1: also be presented as evidence against the parents. The parents
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Speaker 1: respond that many young people play violent games, allowing Ethan
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Speaker 1: Crumley to play them is the norm. However, the state
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Speaker 1: responds these games aggravated his violent tendencies. Did they know
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Speaker 1: or didn't they? Well? In the last hours, we learned
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Speaker 1: that the parents, Jennifer and James Crumley, each charged with
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Speaker 1: four counts of involuntary men for their roles in the
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Speaker 1: school's shooting, are demanding that three witnesses who were victimized
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Speaker 1: during the shooting be excluded from the trial. They say
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Speaker 1: that it would be devastating, gruesome, and appalling factual evidence
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Speaker 1: that could quote inflame the jury. Just days ago, Oakland
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Speaker 1: County prosecutors there in Michigan filed documents adding the three
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Speaker 1: witnesses to Jennifer Crumley's trial based on prior testimony in
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Speaker 1: the shooter Ethan Cromley's case. They testified about what transpired
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Speaker 1: during the shooting, all relevant, according to court documents. Not
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Speaker 1: only do prosecutors say that Ethan Cromley played the violent
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Speaker 1: video games at home with full consent by his two parents,
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Speaker 1: that he told them about his mental and emotional problems,
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Speaker 1: but also prosecutors say the Krumbley parents purchased their teen
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Speaker 1: boy a firearm for Christmas and posted about it on Facebook.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors also say even knowing of their son's violent fantasies.
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Speaker 1: The firearm was not secured inside the home. Now, these
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Speaker 1: cases against the parents are the first of their kind
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Speaker 1: in our country, not only because of the involuntary manslaughter
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Speaker 1: charges filed against the mom and dad, but because Ethan
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Speaker 1: Crumley was charged with terrorism resulting in death in addition
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Speaker 1: to the murder charges. What exactly happened? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends and inside Edition.
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Speaker 2: Their son is accused of killing four students during a
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Speaker 2: school rampage in Michigan last November, and the parents are
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Speaker 2: facing their own serious charges of manslaughter for allegedly allowing
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Speaker 2: him access to a gun.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine you your children to school that morning,
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Speaker 1: or you put them on the bus, and then the
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Speaker 1: next thing you know, you get urgent texts. You may
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Speaker 1: see a flash on the knees. Your child is dead
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Speaker 1: from a school shooter. And by all accounts, the parents
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Speaker 1: had plenty of warning. His parents. Ethan Crumley's parents had
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Speaker 1: plenty of warning that there was something very, very wrong.
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Speaker 1: And for those of you that are not familiar with
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about, the school shooter Ethan Crumley, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Hour cut twenty nine from our friends Fox,
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Speaker 1: be on the lookout.
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Speaker 3: A BOLO alert has been issued for James and Jennifer Crumbley,
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Speaker 3: the parents of Ethan Crumbley. They accused Oxford High School shooter. Now,
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Speaker 3: we did have our reporter confirmed through two police departments
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Speaker 3: that a statewide BOLO was issued for the Crumbley's just
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Speaker 3: here on Friday afternoon, hours after they were charged with
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Speaker 3: involuntary manslaughter in connection to the Oxford for High school shootings. Now,
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Speaker 3: description of the vehicle or a last possibly.
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Speaker 4: Known location was released. Anyone who sees.
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Speaker 3: The Crumblies, they are picture here on your screen in
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Speaker 3: that left hand box, your urge to call police. The
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Speaker 3: Crumblies were charged just today with board counts of involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 1: Four counts of involuntary manslaughter. Mommy and daddy gave on
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Speaker 1: the run. Here's a little more information. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Pierre Thomas. ABC student John ed.
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Speaker 5: Was describing the chaos to our affiliate WXYZ done with pay.
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Speaker 2: We hear our principal, mister Wolf shouting ALIC lockdown, Alix lockdown, and.
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Speaker 6: Then we heard the gunshots in the class, and so we.
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Speaker 7: Lockdown, turn liked off our teacher got paper taped over
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Speaker 7: the window on the door, and got his two big
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Speaker 7: tabled and barricaded the door.
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Speaker 8: It's just scared.
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Speaker 7: I was praying for.
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Speaker 9: My safety, my friend safety, you know everyone safety.
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Speaker 1: Was able to call his mother, thank you.
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Speaker 6: Hear the fear in his voice, and I told him
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Speaker 6: maybe I'm on my way. I've never been so scared
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Speaker 6: of my life.
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Speaker 1: School officials left reeling. Of course, I'm shocked. That's a dovastudent,
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Speaker 1: really shocked and devastated. I'm sure that teacher was, But
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Speaker 1: guess what, there were warning signs, and lots of them.
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Speaker 1: Not everyone's to be should be so shocked, and that
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Speaker 1: includes some school officials and mommy and daddy. Why does
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Speaker 1: so many students have to die? I mean young students.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine all the times my students, my children,
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Speaker 1: your children, other students in school have practiced lockdowns, and
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Speaker 1: this teacher, I think a hero teacher, goes into goes
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Speaker 1: into lockdown mode, locking the door to the classroom, barricading
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Speaker 1: the door to the classroom, turning the lightsaw so the
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Speaker 1: shooter can't see through into the classroom, putting paper up
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Speaker 1: so the shooter can't see through, and take pot shots,
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Speaker 1: his shooters hiding inside the classroom. Things we've learned from
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Speaker 1: so many other school shootings. Take a listen Embrace yourself
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Speaker 1: its classroom video.
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Speaker 10: Yes, come, guys, take that list right out.
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Speaker 11: We're not taking that list right out.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, bro, he said, bro red flags.
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Speaker 10: Hold on your phone.
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Speaker 1: You can hear the student's hustling and rustling trying to
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Speaker 1: get out windows, trying to find a way out. You
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Speaker 1: can hear a teacher saying, put down your bags, forget
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Speaker 1: your bags, just get out. That's actual sound from the
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Speaker 1: school shooting. And if you can let yourself let your
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Speaker 1: mind go there, imagine your children in that situation trying
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Speaker 1: to put down their bags and get out a windows,
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Speaker 1: sneak out anyway they can after they hear gunshots ringing
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Speaker 1: out in the hall. Mommy and daddy go on the
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Speaker 1: run after their son does that. The baby Face Killer
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. Spencer Course and Founder, President
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Speaker 1: of Course and Security Group, author of the Safety Tribe,
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Speaker 1: Curity Experts Secrets for staying safe in a dangerous world.
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer joining us out of LA
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Crausen Psychologists faculty Saint Leo University and consultant
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Speaker 1: author of Operation SOOS. Bobby Checkone twenty seven years with
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Speaker 1: the FBI and Bobby Chicone dot com. Doctor Tim Gallagher
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Speaker 1: joining us the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida.
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Speaker 1: You can find them at pathcaremd dot com. But joining
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Speaker 1: us right now. Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter Alexis Terschuk. Alexis,
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Speaker 1: did you hear that mother saying she was telling her
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Speaker 1: son baby, I'm on the way, I'm on the way,
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Speaker 1: I'm on the way, like she could do anything about it.
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Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed at all the warning signs. And these
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Speaker 1: victims are so young, Alexis, how old are the victims
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Speaker 1: that lost their lives? These kids so young.
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Speaker 6: So there were four students that have died. Madison was fourteen,
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Speaker 6: Juliana was fifteen, Tate is seventh, was seventeen, and Justin
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Speaker 6: was seventeen. No of these kids are even eighteen years old.
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Speaker 6: Yet two of them couldn't even drop.
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Speaker 1: Yet, one of them just fourteen years old. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace in the last hours, Lawyers for the
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Speaker 1: mom and dad of Ethan Crumley demand evidence against them
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Speaker 1: in court be thrown out. In a very unique case,
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Speaker 1: the mother and father of Ethan Crumley, who bought him guns,
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Speaker 1: allowed him to watch violent videos, knew about his violent
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Speaker 1: tendencies and idiations, are being tried in connection with Ethan
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Speaker 1: Crumley their son's school shooting. Alexis Teresschuk. There were a
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Speaker 1: lot of red flags. For instance, take a listen at
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Speaker 1: our cut fourteen. This is Linda Schmidt Fox five.
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Speaker 12: A lieutenant provided new details about the shooting.
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Speaker 13: The school security video shows Ethan exited a bathroom in
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Speaker 13: a hallway I meangan.
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Speaker 12: Shooting at students, then barricading themselves in classrooms behind stacks
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Speaker 12: of desks and shares, others racing out of school to safety.
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Speaker 1: What were the officers say?
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Speaker 12: They have a journal written by Ethan Crumbley taken from
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Speaker 12: his backpack where he expresses his desire to murder students,
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Speaker 12: as well as two videos recovered from Crumbley's cell phone.
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Speaker 13: Co I did a video made by him the night
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Speaker 13: before the incident, wherein he talked about shooting and killing
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Speaker 13: students the next day at Hoxford High School.
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Speaker 12: The prosecutor saying the teenager planned the mass shooting.
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Speaker 14: I am absolutely sure after reviewing the evidence that it
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Speaker 14: isn't even a close call.
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Speaker 4: It was absolutely Premeditaty.
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Speaker 12: The teenager and his parents had spoken with school officials
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Speaker 12: that morning at the school about some concerning behavior in class,
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Speaker 12: but authority say there was no indication of a possible shooting.
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Speaker 1: Concerning behavior in class. Alexis Tereshchak. What concerning behavior in class?
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Speaker 6: A teacher saw that he had done a drawing, even
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Speaker 6: did a drawing which showed a person being shot with
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Speaker 6: a gun on it and blood everywhere. So he you know,
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Speaker 6: where students doodle who they love or who they were
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Speaker 6: their favorite artists in class, he was doing a doodling
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Speaker 6: of a murder scene and it was talking on there
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Speaker 6: about shooting it, and it just said, help me, help me.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Why was it he taken out
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Speaker 1: of class right then that minute and keep him out. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I want a student that's suffering emotionally to get how absolutely,
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Speaker 1: But I'm talking about protecting all the other innocent students.
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Speaker 1: Maybe if what if we treated him ten years ago?
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Speaker 1: What if? There is no time for what ifs in
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Speaker 1: these situations. Of course, in a perfect world, you want
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Speaker 1: someone treated the moment they began having an emotional mental issue,
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone. But when a teacher sees gun blood, I
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Speaker 1: want to kill my other students, That's when he gets
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Speaker 1: taken out pronto. That's when I'm asking you.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, I don't even see this as almost in pain.
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Speaker 7: It looks to me like he was reveling in and
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Speaker 7: he was fantasizing about carrying this thing out. He wanted
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Speaker 7: to do this, he was planning on doing it, and
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Speaker 7: he had some and he had two parents who probably
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Speaker 7: knew he was going to do it, and then they
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Speaker 7: provided him the means to do it. So this is
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Speaker 7: an egregious case.
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Speaker 1: I'm sick about it, Bobby. I'm sick, and I know
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Speaker 1: I appreciated the choir right here, right now because everybody
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Speaker 1: on this panel has dealt with something similar to this.
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Speaker 1: But Whaby Chacon, I mean, you were one of the FEDS,
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Speaker 1: the FBI that pull the body parts of Samantha Koenig
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Speaker 1: out of the water. Okay, you've seen this. She was
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Speaker 1: a teen like this. My point is, yeah, I want everyone,
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Speaker 1: not just teens, but everyone that has a mental or
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Speaker 1: emotional crisis to be treated of course, but that's a
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Speaker 1: day late and a dollar short short as far as
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned right now, Guys, how in the hey did
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Speaker 1: he get a gun? Fifteen years old? And listen to this.
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Speaker 1: It's a six hour take a listen to our cut seventeen.
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Speaker 14: James Crumbley purchased a six hour nine millimeter model SP
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty two from Atme Shooting Is in Oxford, Michigan
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Speaker 14: on November twenty six, twenty twenty one. A store employee
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Speaker 14: confirms that Ethan Crumbley was present with James at the
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Speaker 14: time of the purchase. FIR Statute James Crumbley completed ATF
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Speaker 14: Form three hundred nine A fifty three hundred nine a.
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Speaker 4: Honor. About November twenty six.
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Speaker 14: Twenty one, Ethan Crumbley's social media posts revealed photos of
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Speaker 14: the semi automatic handgun, along with the caption just got
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Speaker 14: my new beauty today, including a moji with hearts SIGs
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Speaker 14: hour nine millimeter Any questions I will answer end quote.
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Speaker 14: Subsequent to the purchase of that weapon, One of Jennifer
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Speaker 14: Crumbley's social media posts on about eleven, twenty seven to
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Speaker 14: twenty one read quote mom and Sunday testing out his
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Speaker 14: new Christmas present.
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Speaker 1: End quote, and they posted that. Explain that to me,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Terschuk.
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Speaker 6: The mom, Jennifer Crumley, she was put on her social
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Speaker 6: media the day after the dad and and went to
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Speaker 6: purchase a gun, but she was spending the day with
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Speaker 6: her son trying out his new Christmas present, so they
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Speaker 6: were going somewhere to practice firing the sun. These are
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Speaker 6: not the only guns in the house. There are videos,
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Speaker 6: police news videos of police officers carrying armloads of weapons
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Speaker 6: out of the home. They appear to be long barrel rifles,
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Speaker 6: So this is not the only firearm.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so, Aunlexis Truschuk, I understand how you feel about
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Speaker 1: gun control. I also approve of certain gun controls myself.
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Speaker 1: I don't like guns. I'm a victim of gun violence.
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Speaker 1: My fiance was murdered. I get it. But Troy Slayton,
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Speaker 1: in this country, it's not a crime to keep guns
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Speaker 1: in your home, especially when you have them being kept
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Speaker 1: pursuant to the law.
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Speaker 15: Right, That's correct, Nancy, and Michigan does not have a
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Speaker 15: strong or really any child access prevention laws, so it
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Speaker 15: was not illegal for the parents to keep guns in
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Speaker 15: the house, and there is no requirement in their state
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Speaker 15: to have those guns locked in a gun safe or
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Speaker 15: with trigger locks on them.
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Speaker 1: So as much as we don't like the way the
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Speaker 1: guns were kept, and I don't like a teen boy
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Speaker 1: having access to a gun without parental supervision in any way,
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Speaker 1: that's the law there. And as of right now, they
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Speaker 1: can card out one hundred long guns in that jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: and it is not a crime. But I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to our cut nineteen. This is
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Speaker 1: the Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald listened.
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Speaker 14: On November thirtieth, twenty one, the morning of the shooting.
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Speaker 14: The next day, Ethan Crumbley's teacher came upon a note
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Speaker 14: on Ethan's desk which alarmed her to the point that
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Speaker 14: she took a picture of it on her cell phone.
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Speaker 14: The note contained the following a drawing of a semi
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Speaker 14: automatic handgun pointing at the words quote the thought won't
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Speaker 14: stop help me end quote. In another section of the
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Speaker 14: note was a drawing of a bullet with the following
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Speaker 14: words above that bullet quote blood everywhere end quote. Between
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Speaker 14: the drying of the gun and the bullet is a
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Speaker 14: drawing of a person who appears to have been shot
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Speaker 14: twice and bleeding. Below that figure is a drying of
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Speaker 14: a laughing emoji. Further down the drawing are their words
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Speaker 14: quote my life is useless end quote. And to the
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Speaker 14: night right of that are the words quote the world
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Speaker 14: is dead end quote.
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Speaker 1: Back to you, Alexis Teresschuk, what were there ages? Again?
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Speaker 6: Anna was fourteen, Tate was sixteen, Justin was seventeen, and
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Speaker 6: Madison was seventeen. These are all such young children then,
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Speaker 6: and you know what Tate was actually taking. One of
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Speaker 6: the police officers who responded to the scene. Tate was
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Speaker 6: still alive when he responded. He didn't even wait for
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Speaker 6: the ambulance. He I'm gonna cried, speaks of said. He
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Speaker 6: grabbed Ate and put him in his car to rush
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Speaker 6: him to the hospital.
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Speaker 12: He died to his car.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, you know, Alexis, When I heard the audio that
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Speaker 1: one of the teens had made, and you could hear
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Speaker 1: them rustling around trying to get out windows and the
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Speaker 1: teacher going to put down your backpack, forget that, just
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Speaker 1: get out, I just I can't help it. I put
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Speaker 1: I superimposed my children, John, David and Lucy into that situation,
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Speaker 1: and it's almost more than I can bear, especially upsetting
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Speaker 1: the warning signals take a listen to our cut twenty.
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Speaker 14: James and Jennifer Crumbley were immediately summoned to the school.
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Speaker 14: A school counselor came to the classroom and removed the
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Speaker 14: shooter and brought him to the office with his backpack.
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Speaker 14: Counselor obtained the drawing of the shooter had already altered it.
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Speaker 14: The drawings of the gun and the bloody figure were
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Speaker 14: scratched out, along with the words helped me and my
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Speaker 14: life is useless, the world is dead and blood everywhere.
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Speaker 4: Those were all altered by him as the meeting.
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Speaker 14: At the meeting, James and Jennifer Crumbley were shown the
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Speaker 14: drawing and were advised that they were required to get
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Speaker 14: their son into counseling within forty eight hours. Both James
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Speaker 14: and Jennifer Crumbley failed to ask their son if he
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Speaker 14: had his gun with him or where his gun was located,
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Speaker 14: and failed to inspect his backpack for the presence of
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Speaker 14: the gun which he had with him. James and Jennifer
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Speaker 14: Crumbley resisted the idea of then leaving the school at
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Speaker 14: that time. Of their son leaving the school at that
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Speaker 14: time Instead, James and Jennifer Crumbley left the high school
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Speaker 14: without their son.
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Speaker 4: He was returned to the classroom.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours. The parents of school shooter Ethan
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Speaker 1: Robert Cromley demand evidence to be thrown out. What more
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Speaker 1: do we know? Is it true, Alexis Terrasshak that the
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Speaker 1: Oxford High School counselors allowed Ethan Crombley to stay in
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Speaker 1: Glasgow back in the day of the shooting after he
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Speaker 1: claimed the grographic drawing of blood and bullets was part
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Speaker 1: of his plan to make a video game. He actually
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Speaker 1: duped them.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that is absolutely true. In fact, while he was
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Speaker 6: he was taken out of the classroom when the teacher
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Speaker 6: saw the drawing. He In fact, they had called his
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Speaker 6: parents the day before because another teacher had seen him
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Speaker 6: on his cellphone searching googling ammunition. That raised the first
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Speaker 6: red flag, so the school called the parents immediately. They
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Speaker 6: did not respond to the school, but the prosecutor has
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Speaker 6: announced that his mom sent him a text. Jennifer sent
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Speaker 6: Ethan a text that said, I'm not mad at you, lol.
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Speaker 6: You just need to.
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Speaker 1: Learn not to get caught.
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Speaker 6: So he was the day before he'd been searching for
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Speaker 6: ammunition the school sent a warning side to the parents
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Speaker 6: and the mom thought it was an LOL joke, which
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Speaker 6: is laugh out loud.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you need to tell me that very slowly again.
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Speaker 1: The day before are the school a teacher caught Ethan
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Speaker 1: Crumley scrolling what through his iPhone looking for ammunition? Could
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Speaker 1: you explain that again?
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Speaker 6: Yes, a teacher saw him on his phone searching, searching
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Speaker 6: for ammunitions, gun ammunition. They this was a red flag
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Speaker 6: to the teacher. The teacher called somebody at the school
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Speaker 6: that the school alerted his parents. They left the parents
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Speaker 6: a message. The parents did not respond, is what the
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Speaker 6: proceeduors have said. Instead, after the shooting happened, when they
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Speaker 6: had Ethan's phone, they saw a text message from his
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Speaker 6: mom that said, I'm not mad at you, you just
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Speaker 6: need to learn how to not get caught lol.
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Speaker 1: What is that to you? Doctor Droy Crass is just
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Speaker 1: complete denial on.
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Speaker 15: The school part system.
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Speaker 1: Why are you the mom her?
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Speaker 9: Is?
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Speaker 1: What is he doing scrolling through ammunition at school? Anyway?
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Speaker 1: Why wasn't that phone taken away or some reprimand or
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Speaker 1: some sort. Why are I see a looking that during class?
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Speaker 15: Well again, you go back to the Michigan law. That's
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Speaker 15: not against the law. It may be a red flag,
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Speaker 15: but once the red flags up there, they didn't respond
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Speaker 15: properly to it.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, why is he scrolling on his
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Speaker 1: phone during school? Anyway? That said the parents don't even
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Speaker 1: call back, Alexis, they.
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Speaker 6: Did not the school so far that what we've learned
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Speaker 6: from the schools, they did not call back. But then
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Speaker 6: they were there the next day. And then when Ethan
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Speaker 6: Stone was taken after the shooting, they saw this text message.
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Speaker 6: And this is one of the reasons. This is what
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Speaker 6: the prosecutor had said, was laying out the timeline of
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Speaker 6: what happened.
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Speaker 1: Guys, we are talking about two parents, the mommy and
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Speaker 1: the daddy, go on the run when their son is
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Speaker 1: charged in a horrific school shooting. You know, Alexis, you
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Speaker 1: earlier said that four are dead. Now, what did you
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Speaker 1: mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 6: So three of those students basically died on the scene.
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Speaker 6: One died in the hospital afterwards.
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Speaker 1: So we hear about mom texting the day before when
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Speaker 1: he's caught scrolling for Ammo, and she says, just don't
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Speaker 1: get caught next time. L Well, those aren't the only
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Speaker 1: texts we were learning about from mom, and maybe this
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Speaker 1: is one of the reasons all they saw of her
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Speaker 1: were elbows and tail hoo on the run running the
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Speaker 1: other way. Take a listener. Cut twenty one.
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Speaker 14: When the news of the active shooter at Oxford High
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Speaker 14: School had been made public, Jennifer Crumbley texted to her
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Speaker 14: son at eleven twenty two, I'm sorry. At one twenty
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Speaker 14: two pm, quote ethan.
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Speaker 4: Don't do it. End quote.
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Speaker 14: At one thirty seven pm, James Crumbley called nine to
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Speaker 14: one one reporting that a gun was missing from his
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Speaker 14: house and he believed his son may be the shooter.
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Speaker 14: Further investigation revealed that the six hour nine millimeter handgun
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Speaker 14: purchased by James Crumbley was stored unlocked in a drawer
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Speaker 14: in James and Jennifer's bedroom. The gun recovered from the
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Speaker 14: shooter at the school after the shooting was the same
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Speaker 14: gun that was purchased by his father, James Crumbley.
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Speaker 1: Take a listener. Why charges are being brought against Cromley's parents.
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Speaker 1: Here's cut twenty two. This is the prosecutor.
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Speaker 4: The facts of this case are so egregious.
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Speaker 14: Reading this document, looking at it, reading the words help
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Speaker 14: me with a gun, blood everywhere. This doesn't just have
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Speaker 14: impact me as a prosecutor and a lawyer, it impacts
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Speaker 14: me as a mother. The notion that a parent could
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Speaker 14: read those words and also know that their son had
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Speaker 14: access to a deadly weapon that they gave him is
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Speaker 14: unconscionable and I think it's criminal.
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Speaker 4: It is criminal.
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Speaker 1: Explain to me, Alexis Teresha what the charges are against
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Speaker 1: the parents.
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Speaker 6: There are four counts of involuntary manslaughter. That is because
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Speaker 6: four people have died from this, so they are involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 6: Is where it wasn't directly their fault. They didn't tell
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Speaker 6: the trigger, but they are responsible for the death of
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Speaker 6: these four people.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our cut six. It puts
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Speaker 1: you in the location at the time of the shootings.
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Speaker 1: This is Mary McDonald WDIV Local four.
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Speaker 16: The accused shooter's behavior had raised red flags before yesterday.
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Speaker 13: We have since learned that the schools did have contact
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Speaker 13: with the student the day before and the day of
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Speaker 13: the shooting.
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Speaker 16: Yesterday, before the shooting, that fifteen year old's parents were
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Speaker 16: brought to school for a face to face meeting with
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Speaker 16: school administrators over his classroom behavior. Just under three hours later,
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Speaker 16: school cameras recorded him.
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Speaker 10: And what's depicted on a video.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, Judge, I don't have the words to describe how
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Speaker 4: horrific that was.
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Speaker 16: The accused shooter seen coming out of a bathroom and firing,
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Speaker 16: aiming for students' heads with a gun his father bought
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Speaker 16: last Friday.
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Speaker 1: Aiming for students' heads, obviously going into the bathroom to
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Speaker 1: get the gun locked and loaded. It was a Sig
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Speaker 1: Sour nine SB twenty twenty. You don't play with that,
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Speaker 1: a nine millimeter. I want to go to you, Bobby
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Speaker 1: ch Code, explain what a nine sig sour is.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's a semi.
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Speaker 7: Automount of crystal, which means that you know, you can
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Speaker 7: fire it fairly rapidly.
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Speaker 11: It probably held anywhere between ten and fifteen bullets in
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Speaker 11: each magazine. He had extra magazine with him, which means
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Speaker 11: he was planning on killing probably a lot more people
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Speaker 11: than this. And so this is a This is a
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Speaker 11: gun that's commonly used by most criminals and law enforcement.
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Speaker 11: It is a very effective weapon, especially especially a close
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Speaker 11: range like he was shooting.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. School shooter Ethan Crumbley detailed
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Speaker 1: a plan to stalk, rape, torture, and kill a female classmate.
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Speaker 1: Did his parents know? We do know that the mom
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Speaker 1: and dad, James and Jennifer Crumbley, met with school administrators
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Speaker 1: on the morning of the shooting to discuss violent drawings
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Speaker 1: he made just hours before his violent rampage, but the
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Speaker 1: parents dismissed the concerns and left without taking him home
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Speaker 1: for the rampage to start. Quote the thoughts won't stop,
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Speaker 1: Ethan Crumbley wrote beneath the drawing of a gun. He
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Speaker 1: also wrote help me. Above the drawing of a bullet.
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Speaker 1: He wrote blood everywhere. Further down the page lots of
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Speaker 1: words and phrases, including my life is useless. During this
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Speaker 1: school meeting, the parents were there when teen shooter Ethan
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Speaker 1: Crumley convinced the school officials. During this meeting that the
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Speaker 1: disturbing drawings were just for a quote video game. His
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Speaker 1: parents quote flatly refused to take him home, says the
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Speaker 1: local prosecutor. I'm looking at the drawings right now. They're
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Speaker 1: very disturbing. According to prosecutors, Ethan Cromley planned the shooting
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Speaker 1: in detail and carried out his actions without showing any
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Speaker 1: remorse at the time extensive planning. He even put toilet
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Speaker 1: paper in his ears to protect his own hearing. Before
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Speaker 1: the shooting, he researched and knew what kind of weapon
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Speaker 1: he needed and determined the one his parents had already
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Speaker 1: given him would not suit for the job. So he
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Speaker 1: advocated for a higher power firearm with more deadly bullets,
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Speaker 1: and then he practiced. He actually went to a shooting
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Speaker 1: range and the parents knew this. Cromley's defense argued at
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Speaker 1: trial he had signs of severe mental illness years before
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Speaker 1: the shooting, and his parents nor the school did anything
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Speaker 1: to help him. That's all going to be blowback on
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Speaker 1: the parents at their trial. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: twenty six seven Action News Tonight.
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Speaker 17: The US Marshalls posted a ten thousand dollars reward in
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Speaker 17: the case. James and Jennifer Crumbley are wanted on charges
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Speaker 17: of involuntary manslaughter and the mass shooting that put their
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Speaker 17: fifteen year old son behind bars. The search goes on
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Speaker 17: as thousands gathered in Oxford tonight to mourn the tragic
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Speaker 17: loss of life at the high school on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: And now we learned the US Marshals get in on it.
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Speaker 1: That means they're on the run.
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Speaker 2: On the run.
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Speaker 1: That's what the US Marshals do. They are government bounty.
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Speaker 1: When you get the US Marshalls on your tail, you're
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Speaker 1: in trouble. Tell me about them going on the rhinal
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Speaker 1: license for rest shot.
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Speaker 6: So the shooting took place on Tuesday, Thursday afternoon. The
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Speaker 6: police were still observing them. They had had kept an
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Speaker 6: eye on the family the whole time. They the mom
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Speaker 6: and dad had actually moved into a hotel because there
31:21
Speaker 6: were probably so many people at their home, so they
31:23
Speaker 6: were at a hotel. Everybody kept an eye on them.
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Speaker 6: Friday morning, nothing had been announced. There have been no
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Speaker 6: charges announced. The police stopped their surveillance of the couple.
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Speaker 6: Shortly thereafter, the prosecutor announced the charges and there they
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Speaker 6: prosecutor I believe had spoken to the police officer and
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Speaker 6: they were given I'm sorry, I spoken to the defense attorney.
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Speaker 6: They were given a four o'clock deadline to turn themselves in.
31:44
Speaker 6: Four o'clock came and went. They did not turn themselves in,
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Speaker 6: and in fact, the sheriff then said at this point
31:51
Speaker 6: there was no contact with them at all. The sheriff
31:54
Speaker 6: said he went on television to a news challenge said,
31:57
Speaker 6: we have not heard from them. They have turned off
31:59
Speaker 6: their cell phone and their attorneys have not been able
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Speaker 6: to reach them, which meant that there was no communication.
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Speaker 6: So that's when they put out the I guess they're
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Speaker 6: calling it a bolo Beyond the lookout. The US Marshall's
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Speaker 6: offered the ten thousand dollars reward Friday night. They are still.
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Speaker 1: Missing Troy Slayton. It's just like Gilaine Maxwell who goes
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Speaker 1: on the run nobody can find or she's posting false
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Speaker 1: les like at an in and out Burger in LA
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Speaker 1: when she's really hiding out in Hampshire. And what does
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Speaker 1: that say about a parent willing to run for the
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Speaker 1: Canadian border when their son needs them more than he's
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Speaker 1: ever needed them in his whole life. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Megan Fitzgeryl NBC this morning.
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Speaker 5: James and Jennifer Crumbly are in Cunstandy after an hour's
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Speaker 5: long manhunt led to their arrest overnight.
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Speaker 14: Vehicle is a black here, It's the kind of a
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Speaker 14: vehicle on the two parents of the I hurt situation.
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Speaker 5: The couple found hiding in a commercial building after police
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Speaker 5: received a.
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Speaker 9: Ten They certainly appears be.
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Speaker 5: Distressed authority, say, the parents have accused Michigan school shooter
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Speaker 5: Ethan crumbly failed to show up for their arraignment Friday.
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Speaker 1: They're finally captured hours later, and he's charged with involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 1: You know, a gun control expert say, the move to
33:15
Speaker 1: charge the parents is almost unheard of. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of the charges, Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 15: Well, Michigan doesn't have the child access prevention laws, So
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Speaker 15: if they didn't do anything illegal, then the government will
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Speaker 15: have to show. Prosecutors at their trial will have to
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Speaker 15: prove that they acted so recklessly, so beyond the pale,
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Speaker 15: that any other normal, average, reasonable person would do that
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Speaker 15: a person would know that acting so recklessly would lead
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Speaker 15: to someone's death.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree that it's very rare for parents to
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Speaker 1: be charged?
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Speaker 15: This is very rare.
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Speaker 1: You are saying that in Michigan there isn't a what
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Speaker 1: kind of statue did you say, No.
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Speaker 15: Child success prevention laws with regard to firearms, no rule
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Speaker 15: that they have to keep guns locked up, ammunition separate away,
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Speaker 15: whether when there's a child in the house, for example,
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Speaker 15: in California where I live. In New York, in many
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Speaker 15: other states, it's illegal if you have a child in
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Speaker 15: the house or a child come visit that.
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Speaker 1: Surey certainly are not suggesting that because there's not a
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Speaker 1: black and white statute, that they still did not know
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Speaker 1: that the other students were in danger after reading that
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Speaker 1: note and knowing he had access to a brand new
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Speaker 1: sig so hour.
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Speaker 15: By that same argument, Nancy, the school officials should know.
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Speaker 15: Are we also going to charge the system we had
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Speaker 15: a gun, but they knew that there was something that
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Speaker 15: was so alarming that he was searching ammunition that they
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Speaker 15: thought to take him out of class temporarily and then
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Speaker 15: put him back in the class.
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Speaker 1: You're artfully avoiding my question. I didn't ask you about them.
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Speaker 1: I asked you about the parents, and by your avoiding
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Speaker 1: the topic, I assume that you agree with me. You know,
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Speaker 1: the district superintendent informed the parents and staff members Saturday
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Speaker 1: that the parents never told the school he had access
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Speaker 1: to a gun. What do you make of that, Troy.
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Speaker 15: I don't know how the gun was stored inside the house.
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Speaker 15: There were some There are some reports that the gun
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Speaker 15: was locked. Maybe the kid found a key and got
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Speaker 15: access to it. We don't know yet what measures the
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Speaker 15: parents took to secure the firearm. We don't know whether
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Speaker 15: they handed it to the kid on a silver platter,
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Speaker 15: or whether somehow the kid went around some sort of
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Speaker 15: system there had in place.
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Speaker 7: We do know that within minutes of the shooting, the
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Speaker 7: father pulled nine one one and said, he thinks his
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Speaker 7: son might have a gun. I mean, the father made
35:57
Speaker 7: that act. That's an act that the father did that
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Speaker 7: show that he knew it was very likely that he
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Speaker 7: saw and that had that weapon. He made a nine
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Speaker 7: one call for that effect.
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Speaker 1: Alexis Treshaw. Where were the parents found exactly?
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Speaker 6: They were found in a commercial building. It was actually
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Speaker 6: an art gallery is where they were found. But they
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Speaker 6: were hiding in a locked room inside the gallery.
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Speaker 1: Ing in a locker room inside a gallery. Now I
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Speaker 1: understand the owner of the gallery claims he didn't know
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Speaker 1: anything about this.
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Speaker 6: He did, you know, Well, he's the artist. I believe
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Speaker 6: someone else owns the whole building. He's an artist. He
36:30
Speaker 6: said that when they called him, they said, we are
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Speaker 6: getting death threats. Can we come there? And he said yes.
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Speaker 6: He said this was before any charges were filed against him.
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Speaker 6: They were there, he left. He said he expected them
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Speaker 6: to leave. He didn't know anything about the charges that
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Speaker 6: were filed.
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Speaker 1: The victims Hannah Saint, Juliana Tate, Meyer, Madison Baldwin, Justin
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Speaker 1: Schilling as young as fourteen years old, gunned down dead
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Speaker 1: in their school. Then seven other students were shot and lived.
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Speaker 1: A seventeen year old girl gunshot wound to the chest, critical.
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Speaker 1: A fourteen year old girl gunshot wound left chest and neck.
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Speaker 1: Seventeen year old girl gunshot wound to the neck, fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old boy shot. Fifteen year old boy gunshot wound
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Speaker 1: to the left leg, seventeen year old boy gunshot wound
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Speaker 1: to the hip, a forty seven year old teacher gunshot
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Speaker 1: wound to the left shoulder. I want to go out
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Speaker 1: to special guests joining us. Doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, Clinical
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Speaker 1: Emeritis Professor Pathology, University Michigan. Doctor Jensen, thank you for
37:41
Speaker 1: being with us with the murder victims Hannah, Tate, Madison,
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Speaker 1: and Justin. How long do you believe they would have
37:52
Speaker 1: been aware after the shooting of what was going on
37:57
Speaker 1: around then? Typically was unshot.
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Speaker 8: Wounds that are fatal and either striking in the order
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Speaker 8: or heart or lungs. A person has conscious pain and
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Speaker 8: suffering for at least thirty seconds or so. It takes
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Speaker 8: that long for the oxygen content to decline enough for
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Speaker 8: the person to go into a coma, and so it
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Speaker 8: typically an individual will have about thirty seconds worth of
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Speaker 8: oxygen and consciousness in a gunshot wound that basically spares
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Speaker 8: the head and neck area. And I would like to
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Speaker 8: comment that even wounds to the extremities are particularly potentially
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Speaker 8: fatal if they strike major arteries, and that there is
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Speaker 8: not immediate medical care available.
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Speaker 1: Such as the thermal artery and the leg of course,
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Speaker 1: the jugular right obviously. And I noticed doctor Jitson that
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Speaker 1: several of these victims were shot in the neck, and
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Speaker 1: I wonder if the purp was trying to shoot them
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Speaker 1: in the head and got them in the neck. But
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Speaker 1: there are shootings. For instance, when you take a GSW
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound to say your chest, and you don't bleed
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Speaker 1: out immediately, but year lung slowly are filling up with
39:21
Speaker 1: blood and spitting it up. It's coming out your nose
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Speaker 1: in your mouth. That takes a little bit longer to dye.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jensen.
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Speaker 8: Yes, if the wound itself is not fatal, but then
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Speaker 8: there's blood or a hemorrhage that accumulates into the airways,
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Speaker 8: the person could dive from a prolonged DYSTIXI or a
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Speaker 8: lack of oxygen because of the obstruction of the airways.
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Speaker 1: And imagining as young as fourteen, Hannah lying in the floor,
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Speaker 1: knowing some what's happening around her, Everybody running and screaming,
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Speaker 1: her parents are there, nobody's there with her, and she
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Speaker 1: dies in the floor of the school like that? Why
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, lawyers for the mom and dad
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Speaker 1: of Ethan Crumley demand Evan's against them in court be
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Speaker 1: thrown out what exactly happened.
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Speaker 18: Even though Jennifer Crumley's attorneys are asking the court to
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Speaker 18: dismiss three victim witnesses, saying their testimony is irrelevant to
40:34
Speaker 18: the charges against the parents. They say it would only
40:39
Speaker 18: confuse the jury, But a judge has ruled that two
40:43
Speaker 18: eye witnesses to Ethan Crumbley's shooting spree will be allowed
40:47
Speaker 18: to testify at the upcoming trials. In addition, the jury
40:52
Speaker 18: will be allowed to see video footage of the rampage.
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Speaker 18: The witnesses are the teacher who was shot in the arms,
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Speaker 18: principle who encountered the shooter in the Hallway. The judge ruled, quote,
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Speaker 18: all evidence offered by parties is prejudicial to some extent,
41:09
Speaker 18: but the fear of prejudice does not generally render the
41:12
Speaker 18: evidence inadmissible. The judge did set some limits, however, regarding
41:17
Speaker 18: the eyewitness testimony. Specifically, the judge will prohibit the witnesses
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Speaker 18: from testifying about any aid they gave to victims or
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Speaker 18: discussing any emotional trauma they have endured because of what happened.
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Speaker 18: The eyewitness testimony will focus only on the identification of
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Speaker 18: the shooter and the gun that was used in the massacre,
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Speaker 18: the location of the weapon, and any observations made by
41:43
Speaker 18: the witnesses about the shooter. Ethan Crumley, who was fifteen
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Speaker 18: at the time of the shooting, pleaded guilty and is
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Speaker 18: serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. His
41:54
Speaker 18: parents have been jailed now for more than two years
41:57
Speaker 18: and are facing separate trials, which should begin later this month.
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Speaker 18: It's not been determined who will go on trial first.
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Speaker 18: If convicted, they face up to fifteen years in prison.
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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfoals. Goodbye friend,