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Todd from Abusements · Punk, Love, & Compassion

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All
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right,
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welcome
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to
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this
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episode
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of
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Punk
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Club
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and
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Kabashian.
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This
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episode,
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I
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have
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Todd
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with
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me
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from
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Montgomery,
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Alabama,
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and
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he
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sings
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for
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a
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really
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fun
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band
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called
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the
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Abusements.
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Before
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we
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get
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into
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a
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conversation,
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a
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couple
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housekeeping
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things.
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One
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sort
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of
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the
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parent
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organization
0:32
podcast
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group.
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I
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belong
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to
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the
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Alabama
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Take.
0:35
They
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have
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a
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bunch
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of
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other
0:37
podcasts.
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I
0:38
recommend
0:38
going
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and
0:38
checking
0:39
those
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out,
0:39
covering
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pop
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culture
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and
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sports
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and
0:41
reading
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and
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Star
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wars
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and
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that
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kind
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of
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stuff.
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So
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if
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you're
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into
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that
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kind
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of
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stuff,
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please
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jump
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over
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there,
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take
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a
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look
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at
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it.
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I
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also
0:48
do
0:48
another
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podcast
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with
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my
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son
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called
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Hidden
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Creatures,
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and
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it's
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about
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cryptids
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and
0:53
paranormal
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and
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aliens
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and
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fairies
0:56
and
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stuff
0:57
like
0:57
that.
0:57
So
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if
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you're
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into
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stuff
0:58
like
0:58
that,
0:58
also
0:59
jump
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over
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to
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Hidden
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Creatures.
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Give
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that
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a
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listen.
1:02
My
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son
1:03
would
1:04
be
1:04
so
1:04
stoked
1:04
if
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you
1:05
did
1:05
that.
1:06
Lastly,
1:07
speaking
1:08
of
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my
1:08
son,
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he
1:09
is
1:09
here
1:10
in
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the
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house.
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I
1:10
also
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have
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some
1:11
dogs
1:11
and
1:12
a
1:12
wife,
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and
1:12
sometimes
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they
1:13
all
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show
1:14
up
1:14
in
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the
1:14
background
1:15
of
1:15
these.
1:15
I
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have
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chickens
1:17
that
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peck
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at
1:18
the
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door
1:18
right
1:18
where
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I
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record.
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So
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if
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you
1:20
hear
1:20
any
1:20
of
1:20
those
1:20
things,
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that's
1:21
what
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they
1:21
are.
1:22
With
1:22
that.
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Todd,
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would
1:24
you
1:24
like
1:24
to
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give
1:25
yourself
1:26
any
1:26
further
1:26
introduction
1:27
versus
1:28
my
1:28
very
1:28
small,
1:29
brief
1:29
one?
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Well,
1:30
there
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ain't
1:30
nobody
1:30
here
1:30
but
1:31
us
1:31
chickens,
1:31
huh?
1:33
Yeah.
1:34
Todd
1:34
Sauvigne,
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and
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I'm
1:36
with
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Abusements,
1:38
and
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I
1:38
am
1:39
63
1:39
years
1:39
old.
1:40
I
1:40
am
1:40
not
1:40
an
1:41
attorney,
1:42
and
1:43
shucks,
1:44
I
1:44
don't
1:44
know
1:44
where
1:45
you
1:45
want
1:45
to
1:45
start.
1:45
I
1:45
kind
1:46
of
1:46
go
1:46
way
1:46
back
1:46
in
1:47
this,
1:47
and
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I
1:48
was
1:48
one
1:48
of
1:48
these.
1:49
As
1:49
a
1:49
high
1:50
schooler,
1:51
I
1:51
was
1:51
fortunate
1:51
to
1:52
get
1:52
involved
1:52
in
1:52
a
1:52
very
1:53
small
1:53
but
1:54
intense
1:55
punk
1:55
rock
1:55
scene
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in
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Portland,
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Oregon,
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that
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sort
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of
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dominated.
1:58
Hold
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on.
1:58
Right
1:58
there.
1:59
Like
1:59
that.
1:59
You're
1:59
jumping
2:00
ahead
2:00
of
2:00
me
2:01
just
2:01
a
2:01
little
2:01
bit.
2:02
So,
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Portland,
2:03
14,
2:04
long
2:04
time
2:04
ago.
2:05
Do
2:05
you
2:05
remember
2:06
the
2:06
first
2:07
punk
2:07
song
2:07
you
2:08
ever
2:08
heard?
2:09
Yes.
2:10
What
2:10
was
2:10
Beat
2:11
on
2:11
the
2:11
Brat
2:12
by
2:12
the
2:12
Ramones
2:14
got
2:14
played
2:14
on
2:14
the
2:15
Dr.
2:15
Demento
2:16
radio
2:16
program,
2:17
which
2:17
I
2:17
was
2:17
one
2:18
of
2:18
these
2:18
avid
2:19
listeners,
2:19
as
2:20
this
2:21
was
2:21
before
2:21
punk
2:22
rock
2:22
was
2:22
really
2:23
a
2:23
thing.
2:23
I
2:23
don't
2:24
know
2:24
if
2:24
he
2:24
ever
2:24
played
2:24
Beat
2:25
on
2:25
the
2:25
Brat
2:25
by
2:26
the
2:26
Ramones
2:26
more
2:26
than
2:27
once
2:27
on
2:28
that
2:28
program,
2:28
but
2:29
he
2:29
played
2:29
it,
2:30
and
2:30
I
2:31
had
2:31
read
2:31
about
2:31
the
2:31
Ramones,
2:32
and
2:32
I
2:32
was
2:32
like,
2:32
oh,
2:33
so
2:33
this
2:33
is
2:33
punk
2:34
rock.
2:34
I'm
2:35
not
2:35
that
2:35
impressed.
2:36
I
2:36
remember
2:37
being
2:37
left
2:37
a
2:37
little
2:37
cold
2:38
by
2:38
it,
2:40
and
2:40
it's.
2:40
It
2:40
was
2:41
like,
2:41
okay,
2:41
well,
2:41
I
2:42
guess
2:42
I
2:42
get
2:42
the
2:42
joke.
2:43
It
2:43
was
2:44
the
2:44
Sex
2:45
Pistols
2:45
that
2:46
turned
2:46
me
2:46
on.
2:47
That
2:47
was
2:47
the
2:47
Epiphany.
2:48
And
2:48
that
2:48
happened
2:49
some
2:50
short
2:50
time
2:51
later.
2:51
Cool.
2:53
Fair
2:53
enough.
2:55
And
2:55
then
2:57
sort
2:57
of.
2:57
Next
2:57
question.
2:57
Is
2:58
how
2:58
long.
2:59
Do
2:59
you
2:59
remember
2:59
how
3:00
long
3:00
it
3:00
was
3:00
or
3:00
at
3:00
what
3:01
point
3:01
in
3:01
time
3:01
you
3:01
went
3:01
from,
3:03
okay,
3:03
like,
3:03
I
3:03
know
3:04
this
3:04
punk
3:04
rock
3:04
thing
3:05
exists.
3:05
I've
3:06
heard
3:06
the
3:06
music.
3:07
But
3:07
now,
3:09
like,
3:09
there's
3:09
a
3:10
community,
3:10
there's
3:10
a
3:11
scene,
3:11
all
3:12
of
3:12
that.
3:12
Oh,
3:13
well,
3:13
it
3:14
took
3:14
a
3:14
while
3:14
because
3:15
I
3:15
was
3:15
stuck
3:15
in
3:16
this
3:17
backwater
3:18
of
3:18
Portland,
3:18
Oregon.
3:20
And
3:20
the
3:21
day
3:21
I
3:21
first
3:22
laid
3:22
eyes
3:23
on
3:23
the
3:23
Sex
3:23
pistols
3:24
in
3:24
this
3:24
30
3:25
second
3:25
clip
3:25
on
3:26
TV
3:26
late
3:27
at
3:27
night,
3:27
it
3:27
was
3:28
a.
3:28
I
3:29
believe
3:29
it
3:29
was
3:29
a
3:29
bit
3:29
of
3:30
the
3:30
Anarchy
3:30
in
3:31
the
3:31
UK
3:31
film
3:31
clip.
3:32
And
3:33
I
3:33
was
3:34
like,
3:34
holy,
3:35
this
3:36
is
3:36
for
3:36
me.
3:37
My
3:37
music
3:37
is
3:38
here.
3:38
I
3:38
can't
3:39
describe
3:39
to
3:39
you
3:39
how
3:39
much
3:40
I
3:40
hated
3:41
the
3:41
Allman
3:42
Brothers
3:42
and
3:42
Led
3:43
Zeppelin
3:43
and
3:44
all
3:44
of
3:44
this
3:45
long
3:45
hair
3:47
freedom
3:47
rock.
3:48
I
3:48
thought
3:48
that
3:48
stuff
3:49
was
3:49
crap
3:49
and
3:49
I
3:50
never
3:50
liked
3:50
it.
3:51
And
3:52
to
3:52
have
3:52
punk
3:53
rock
3:53
come
3:53
along,
3:53
I
3:53
was
3:54
like,
3:54
hallelujah,
3:55
my
3:55
music
3:55
is
3:56
here.
3:56
This
3:57
is
3:57
guaranteed
3:57
to
3:57
infect,
3:58
infuriate
3:58
everybody.
4:00
And
4:01
in
4:01
the
4:01
next
4:02
second
4:02
I
4:02
realized
4:03
and
4:03
I've
4:04
completely
4:04
missed
4:04
the
4:05
train.
4:05
I'm
4:05
stuck
4:05
here
4:05
in
4:06
Portland,
4:07
Oregon.
4:08
All
4:08
of
4:08
punk
4:08
rock
4:09
is
4:09
happening
4:09
in
4:09
London
4:10
and
4:10
New
4:10
York.
4:11
I'm.
4:12
I've
4:12
blown
4:12
it
4:13
already.
4:14
And
4:14
it
4:14
took
4:14
a
4:14
couple
4:15
of
4:15
years
4:15
for
4:15
things
4:16
to
4:16
really
4:16
get
4:16
rolling.
4:17
But
4:17
by
4:18
78,
4:18
there
4:19
started
4:19
being
4:20
all
4:20
ages
4:21
shows
4:21
in
4:21
Portland.
4:22
And
4:23
we
4:23
picked
4:23
up
4:23
on
4:24
that
4:24
stuff.
4:24
Man,
4:25
I
4:25
tell
4:25
you,
4:25
as
4:26
soon
4:26
as
4:26
I
4:26
was
4:26
cognizant
4:27
of
4:27
what
4:27
was
4:27
going
4:27
on
4:28
and
4:28
able
4:29
to
4:29
like
4:30
put
4:30
it
4:30
together,
4:31
you
4:31
know,
4:31
well,
4:32
we
4:32
would
4:32
get
4:32
on
4:32
the
4:33
bus
4:33
and
4:33
go
4:33
across
4:34
town.
4:34
And
4:34
his
4:35
first
4:35
show
4:35
was.
4:36
It
4:36
was
4:36
the
4:36
DOA
4:37
and
4:37
the
4:38
Dills.
4:39
I
4:40
can't
4:40
remember
4:40
who
4:40
it
4:40
was.
4:41
The
4:41
Ziplocs
4:42
opening
4:42
or
4:43
Hari
4:43
Kari
4:44
or
4:44
who
4:44
it
4:44
was.
4:44
But
4:45
DOA
4:45
and
4:45
the
4:45
Dills
4:46
and
4:46
DOA
4:47
made
4:47
an
4:47
enormous
4:47
impression
4:48
on
4:48
me.
4:49
And
4:49
this
4:49
is
4:49
the
4:49
three
4:50
piece
4:50
doa.
4:51
The.
4:51
The
4:51
first
4:52
lineup.
4:52
And
4:53
my
4:53
mind
4:53
was
4:54
blown
4:54
by
4:54
Randy
4:55
Rampage.
4:56
My
4:56
life
4:56
was
4:57
changed
4:57
by
4:57
that
4:58
gig,
4:58
I
4:58
think.
4:59
And
5:00
I
5:00
knew
5:00
Good
5:00
Boy
5:01
was
5:02
getting
5:02
going.
5:02
Okay.
5:03
And
5:04
we
5:04
couldn't
5:04
stay
5:04
for
5:04
the
5:05
Dills
5:05
because
5:05
the
5:06
last
5:06
bus
5:07
was
5:07
gonna
5:07
come
5:08
and
5:08
it
5:08
was
5:09
a
5:09
school
5:09
night
5:09
and
5:10
there
5:10
was
5:10
no
5:10
parent
5:10
pickup.
5:11
We
5:11
were
5:11
clear
5:11
across
5:11
town.
5:12
So
5:12
I
5:12
had
5:12
to
5:12
bail
5:13
on
5:13
the
5:13
Dills,
5:13
which
5:14
I
5:14
really
5:14
regret.
5:14
I
5:14
never
5:15
got
5:15
to
5:15
see
5:15
them.
5:17
But
5:18
I'm
5:19
way.
5:19
I'm.
5:19
I'm
5:19
way
5:19
off
5:20
topic.
5:20
Where
5:20
are
5:20
we
5:20
going
5:20
with
5:21
this?
5:21
No,
5:21
that
5:21
was
5:22
all
5:22
perfect.
5:22
Okay.
5:23
And
5:23
a
5:23
good
5:23
segment.
5:24
This
5:24
guy,
5:25
I
5:25
can't
5:25
even
5:25
remember.
5:25
I
5:25
think
5:26
78.
5:27
Okay.
5:28
I
5:28
was
5:28
taking
5:28
the
5:29
bus,
5:29
so
5:29
I
5:29
couldn't
5:29
drive.
5:30
I
5:30
must
5:30
have
5:31
been
5:31
like,
5:32
yeah,
5:32
14,
5:33
15.
5:34
15,
5:34
I
5:35
think.
5:35
Cool.
5:36
So
5:36
at
5:36
what
5:36
point
5:37
in
5:37
time
5:37
then?
5:37
From
5:38
that
5:38
to,
5:38
like,
5:39
okay,
5:40
this
5:40
is.
5:42
This
5:42
is
5:42
not
5:42
just
5:42
something
5:43
I'm
5:43
going
5:43
to
5:43
be
5:44
like
5:45
a
5:45
passive
5:45
participant
5:46
in,
5:46
but
5:47
versus,
5:47
like,
5:47
an
5:47
active
5:48
person.
5:48
I
5:48
was
5:48
already
5:49
a
5:49
musician
5:49
when
5:50
punk
5:50
rock
5:50
came
5:51
along,
5:51
and
5:51
that's
5:52
thanks
5:53
to
5:53
mom
5:53
and
5:54
dad
5:54
making
5:54
me
5:55
sit
5:55
down
5:55
and
5:55
take
5:55
piano
5:56
lessons
5:56
just
5:57
like
5:57
they'd
5:57
been
5:58
forced
5:58
to,
5:58
just
5:58
like
5:59
their
5:59
parents
5:59
had
6:00
been
6:00
forced
6:00
to.
6:00
And
6:01
so
6:02
I
6:02
was
6:02
already
6:02
a
6:03
musician.
6:03
And
6:03
then
6:04
Bob
6:04
Dylan
6:05
kind
6:05
of
6:05
opened
6:05
my
6:06
ears
6:06
to
6:06
rock
6:07
and
6:07
roll.
6:08
Made
6:08
me
6:08
want
6:08
to
6:08
be
6:08
a
6:08
lyric
6:09
writer
6:10
even
6:10
more
6:10
than
6:10
a
6:10
musician.
6:12
So.
6:12
Because
6:12
thanks
6:13
to
6:13
Bob
6:13
Dylan,
6:14
I
6:14
was
6:14
fully
6:15
engaged
6:16
and,
6:17
you
6:17
know,
6:17
doing
6:18
things
6:18
like
6:18
reading
6:19
Rolling
6:19
Stone
6:19
and
6:21
Cream
6:21
magazine
6:22
and
6:22
stuff
6:22
like
6:23
this
6:23
at
6:23
a
6:23
tender
6:24
age.
6:24
So,
6:25
yeah,
6:25
it's
6:26
funny
6:26
you
6:26
bring
6:26
up
6:26
Bob
6:27
Dylan.
6:27
My
6:27
son
6:28
is
6:28
11,
6:28
about
6:29
turn
6:29
12,
6:29
and
6:29
he
6:30
came
6:30
home
6:30
from
6:30
school
6:30
one
6:30
day
6:31
this
6:31
year.
6:32
Picking
6:32
him
6:32
up
6:32
from
6:32
school,
6:32
he
6:33
got.
6:33
In
6:33
and
6:33
he
6:33
said,
6:33
one
6:34
of
6:34
my
6:34
teachers
6:34
thinks
6:35
that
6:35
Bob
6:35
Dylan
6:35
is
6:36
punk
6:36
rock.
6:37
And
6:37
I
6:37
said,
6:37
okay,
6:38
what
6:38
do
6:38
you
6:38
mean
6:38
by
6:38
that?
6:39
He
6:39
said,
6:39
well,
6:39
we
6:40
were
6:40
in
6:40
history
6:41
class
6:41
and
6:41
she
6:42
asked
6:42
us,
6:42
you
6:43
know,
6:43
what
6:43
kind
6:43
of
6:43
music
6:43
we
6:43
want
6:43
to
6:44
listen
6:44
to.
6:44
He
6:44
said,
6:44
And
6:44
I
6:45
said,
6:45
punk.
6:45
She
6:46
put
6:46
on
6:46
Bob
6:46
Dylan.
6:47
I
6:48
was
6:48
like,
6:48
well,
6:49
as
6:49
a
6:50
Bob
6:50
Dylan,
6:50
sort
6:51
of
6:51
is
6:51
punk
6:51
rock.
6:52
Like,
6:53
I
6:53
said,
6:53
you
6:53
know,
6:53
you
6:54
may
6:54
not
6:54
like
6:54
you.
6:55
You
6:55
may
6:55
not
6:55
find
6:55
his
6:56
music
6:56
under
6:56
the
6:57
punk
6:57
category
6:58
in
6:58
the
6:58
record
6:58
store,
6:59
but
6:59
if
7:00
you
7:00
look
7:00
at
7:00
what
7:01
he
7:01
was
7:01
singing
7:01
about
7:01
and
7:02
what
7:02
he
7:02
was
7:02
doing,
7:02
and
7:04
that's
7:04
sort
7:04
of
7:04
punk
7:05
rock.
7:05
He's
7:05
like
7:05
Johnny
7:06
Rotten
7:06
to
7:06
me,
7:07
man.
7:07
Yeah,
7:08
yeah.
7:09
You
7:09
know,
7:10
he's
7:10
like
7:10
D.
7:11
Boone
7:11
to
7:11
me.
7:12
Yeah,
7:13
I
7:13
mean,
7:14
yeah,
7:14
he's
7:15
done,
7:15
you
7:15
know,
7:16
he's
7:16
done
7:16
a
7:16
lot
7:16
of
7:17
stuff.
7:17
Bob's
7:18
still
7:18
out
7:18
there,
7:19
man.
7:19
He's
7:19
playing
7:20
tonight
7:20
somewhere
7:21
for,
7:21
like,
7:21
not
7:22
very
7:22
many
7:22
people.
7:23
Yeah.
7:25
Yeah.
7:25
I've
7:25
had
7:25
the
7:26
pleasure
7:26
of
7:26
seeing
7:26
him
7:27
a
7:27
couple
7:27
times,
7:28
and
7:28
sometimes
7:29
it
7:29
has
7:29
been
7:29
absolutely
7:30
amazing,
7:31
and
7:31
sometimes
7:32
it's
7:32
been
7:32
absolutely
7:32
horrible.
7:33
Yeah,
7:33
no,
7:33
he
7:34
can
7:34
be
7:34
real
7:34
spotty.
7:35
He
7:35
was
7:35
tight
7:35
and
7:35
his
7:35
band
7:36
was
7:36
on.
7:36
The
7:36
last
7:36
time
7:37
I
7:37
saw
7:37
him,
7:37
yeah,
7:39
I
7:39
saw
7:40
Tom
7:40
Petty
7:41
blow
7:41
him
7:42
off
7:42
stage.
7:42
And
7:43
it
7:43
was
7:43
bad
7:43
for
7:43
Bob
7:44
and
7:44
it
7:44
was
7:44
bad
7:45
for
7:45
the
7:45
crowd,
7:45
and
7:46
it
7:46
was
7:46
not
7:46
that
7:46
good
7:46
for
7:47
Tom
7:47
Petty
7:47
and
7:47
the
7:47
Heartbreakers
7:48
either.
7:48
I
7:48
mean,
7:49
they're
7:49
out
7:49
with
7:49
this
7:49
guy
7:50
who
7:50
they
7:50
respected.
7:51
He
7:51
was
7:51
sucked.
7:52
Yeah.
7:52
Hard.
7:53
So,
7:55
yeah,
7:55
you
7:55
know,
7:55
we
7:56
all
7:56
have
7:56
our.
7:57
Are
7:57
off.
7:57
No,
7:57
we'd
7:57
be
7:57
lucky
7:58
to
7:58
have
7:58
off
7:58
nights
7:59
like
7:59
that.
7:59
Okay,
7:59
so.
8:00
Oh,
8:00
yeah,
8:00
I
8:00
was
8:01
at
8:01
the
8:01
amphitheater
8:01
and
8:02
I
8:02
sucked.
8:02
We
8:02
would
8:03
be
8:03
lucky.
8:03
We
8:03
would
8:03
be
8:03
fortunate
8:04
for
8:04
that
8:04
kind
8:04
of
8:04
off.
8:04
Okay,
8:05
so
8:05
how
8:05
did
8:05
that,
8:06
like,
8:06
you
8:06
know,
8:07
the
8:07
musician
8:08
pre
8:08
Punk
8:09
rock
8:09
turn
8:09
into
8:10
a
8:10
musician
8:11
in
8:12
punk
8:12
rock?
8:13
Good
8:13
question.
8:13
I
8:13
don't.
8:14
As
8:14
I
8:14
said,
8:15
I
8:15
didn't
8:15
have
8:16
any
8:17
interest
8:17
in
8:18
what
8:19
I
8:19
felt
8:19
was
8:20
hippie
8:20
music.
8:21
And
8:21
I
8:22
really
8:22
liked.
8:23
Well,
8:24
I
8:24
think
8:24
the
8:24
American
8:25
Graffiti
8:25
soundtrack
8:26
album,
8:26
which
8:26
was
8:27
a
8:27
double
8:27
LP
8:28
packed
8:28
with
8:28
the
8:29
greatest
8:29
hits
8:29
of
8:30
the
8:30
first
8:30
wave
8:30
of
8:30
rock
8:31
and
8:31
roll,
8:31
was
8:32
probably
8:32
the
8:33
key
8:34
document
8:35
that
8:36
shaped
8:37
my
8:37
hearing
8:38
pre
8:38
punk.
8:38
Okay.
8:39
And
8:39
so
8:39
that's
8:39
thanks
8:40
to
8:40
that
8:40
record.
8:41
And
8:41
hats
8:41
off
8:41
to
8:42
George
8:42
Lucas,
8:42
who
8:43
compiled
8:44
one
8:44
hell
8:44
of
8:44
a
8:44
good
8:45
soundtrack
8:45
album
8:46
with
8:47
practically
8:47
every
8:48
song
8:48
that
8:48
matters
8:49
of
8:49
the
8:49
1950s.
8:51
Yeah.
8:52
Certainly
8:52
touching
8:52
all
8:53
the
8:53
bases.
8:54
And
8:54
so
8:55
that's
8:55
how
8:55
I
8:55
got
8:56
into
8:56
Chuck
8:57
Berry
8:57
and
8:58
especially
8:58
Little
8:59
Richard.
9:00
And
9:00
that
9:01
was
9:01
what
9:01
I
9:01
thought
9:01
rock
9:01
and
9:02
roll
9:02
was
9:02
and
9:02
should
9:03
be.
9:03
Especially
9:04
Little
9:04
Richard.
9:05
You
9:05
know,
9:06
this
9:06
stuff
9:06
is
9:06
just
9:07
off
9:07
the
9:07
hook.
9:08
Yeah.
9:08
You
9:09
know,
9:09
Little
9:09
Richard.
9:10
Arguably,
9:11
an
9:11
argument
9:12
could
9:12
be
9:12
made
9:13
for
9:13
him
9:14
to
9:14
fall
9:14
into
9:15
the
9:15
punk
9:15
rock
9:15
umbrella.
9:16
Also
9:16
on
9:16
that
9:17
album
9:17
was
9:17
the
9:17
Beach
9:17
Boys,
9:18
which
9:18
was
9:19
a
9:19
big
9:19
ear
9:19
opener.
9:20
And
9:21
their
9:21
vision
9:22
of
9:22
an
9:22
American
9:23
teenagerhood
9:25
that
9:25
lasts
9:25
all
9:26
summer
9:26
long
9:26
and
9:27
involves
9:27
things
9:27
like
9:28
cars.
9:29
Anyway,
9:29
their
9:30
fake
9:30
vision
9:31
of
9:32
American
9:32
teenage
9:33
hood
9:33
and
9:34
a
9:34
California
9:35
lifestyle
9:36
that
9:37
was
9:37
aspirational,
9:38
just,
9:38
like,
9:38
fit
9:39
real
9:39
well
9:40
with
9:40
my
9:41
kind
9:41
of,
9:41
oh,
9:41
I
9:41
don't
9:42
know,
9:42
junior
9:43
high.
9:43
Hormonally
9:44
driven.
9:46
You
9:46
know,
9:47
I
9:47
was
9:48
nobody.
9:48
I
9:48
was
9:49
a
9:49
geek
9:50
in
9:52
junior
9:52
high.
9:52
I
9:53
was
9:53
a
9:53
dork.
9:54
And,
9:55
man,
9:56
I
9:57
wanted
9:57
to
9:58
click.
9:58
I
9:58
wanted
9:58
to
9:58
be
9:58
like
9:58
Fonzie
9:59
or
9:59
something.
10:00
Right?
10:00
Yeah,
10:01
That's
10:01
a
10:01
horrible
10:01
thing
10:02
to
10:02
say,
10:02
but,
10:03
you
10:03
know,
10:03
that's.
10:04
That
10:04
was
10:04
sort
10:04
of
10:04
the
10:04
frame
10:05
of
10:05
reference.
10:06
Yeah.
10:06
Well,
10:07
okay.
10:07
I
10:08
was
10:08
not
10:08
even
10:08
Richie
10:08
Cool.
10:09
I
10:09
was
10:09
a
10:10
tweet.
10:10
And,
10:11
you
10:11
know,
10:11
but
10:12
we
10:12
all
10:12
thought
10:12
we
10:12
were
10:12
little
10:13
Fonzies.
10:14
But,
10:14
you
10:14
know,
10:14
I
10:14
assume
10:15
at
10:15
that
10:15
point
10:15
in
10:15
time,
10:15
like,
10:16
that's
10:16
sort
10:16
of
10:16
who
10:16
the
10:17
adolescent
10:17
American
10:18
hero
10:18
was.
10:19
Right?
10:19
Like
10:20
that.
10:20
That
10:20
was
10:20
about
10:21
what
10:21
you
10:21
were
10:21
presented
10:22
or
10:22
Evil
10:22
Knievel
10:23
or,
10:23
you
10:23
know.
10:24
Right.
10:24
I
10:25
don't
10:25
know
10:25
what
10:25
up
10:25
with
10:26
people.
10:27
Yeah.
10:27
There's
10:28
a
10:28
bunch
10:28
of
10:28
healthy
10:28
young
10:29
Republicans.
10:30
Right.
10:30
You
10:30
know,
10:31
and
10:32
then,
10:32
you
10:32
know,
10:32
Sid
10:33
Vicious
10:33
and
10:33
Johnny
10:34
Rodman
10:34
walked
10:35
through
10:35
the
10:35
door.
10:35
Oh,
10:36
my
10:36
guys
10:36
are
10:37
here.
10:38
Like,
10:39
this
10:39
was
10:39
what
10:39
I
10:39
was
10:40
waiting
10:40
for.
10:40
This
10:41
is
10:41
gonna
10:41
piss
10:41
off
10:42
everybody
10:42
on
10:42
the
10:42
school
10:43
bus
10:43
and
10:44
concern
10:44
my
10:44
par
10:45
lately.
10:46
Yeah.
10:46
And
10:48
that
10:48
was
10:48
definitely
10:49
what
10:49
I
10:49
was
10:49
going
10:49
for
10:49
because
10:50
I
10:50
hated
10:50
those
10:51
on
10:51
the
10:51
school
10:52
bus.
10:53
Every
10:53
day,
10:53
they
10:54
would
10:54
play
10:54
that
10:55
Van
10:55
Halen
10:56
tape.
10:56
I
10:56
was
10:56
made
10:57
to
10:57
hate
10:57
Van
10:57
Halen.
10:58
Thanks
10:58
to
10:58
my
10:58
classmates.
10:59
That
10:59
was
10:59
just
10:59
all
11:00
they
11:00
knew
11:00
and
11:00
all
11:01
they
11:01
thought
11:01
was
11:01
cool.
11:02
And
11:02
they
11:02
would
11:02
blast
11:03
that
11:04
every
11:04
possible
11:05
moment.
11:06
And
11:06
you
11:06
know
11:06
what?
11:07
That
11:07
was
11:07
good
11:07
music.
11:08
All
11:08
right.
11:09
That
11:09
was
11:09
good
11:09
Music,
11:10
it
11:10
just
11:10
had
11:10
the
11:10
wrong
11:10
fans
11:11
at
11:12
that.
11:12
Especially
11:12
at
11:13
that
11:13
moment.
11:13
I
11:13
was
11:14
fortunate.
11:14
Later
11:15
on,
11:15
somebody
11:16
invited
11:16
me
11:16
to
11:16
see
11:16
Van
11:17
Halen,
11:17
and
11:17
I
11:17
went
11:18
along
11:18
because
11:18
they
11:18
had
11:19
a
11:19
party
11:20
in
11:20
the
11:20
back
11:20
of
11:20
their
11:20
car.
11:21
Who
11:22
cares
11:22
about
11:22
this
11:22
band?
11:23
And
11:24
they
11:25
blew
11:25
me
11:25
away.
11:25
And
11:26
they
11:26
are
11:26
geniuses,
11:27
and
11:27
I'm
11:27
glad
11:27
I
11:27
saw
11:27
them
11:28
in
11:28
their
11:28
heyday,
11:28
okay?
11:29
But
11:30
you
11:30
can
11:30
be
11:30
made
11:30
to
11:30
hate
11:31
music
11:31
by
11:32
being
11:32
such
11:32
a
11:32
partisan,
11:33
and
11:33
I
11:33
was
11:33
definitely
11:34
a
11:34
partisan,
11:35
for
11:35
better
11:35
or
11:36
worse.
11:37
You
11:37
know,
11:37
it
11:37
happens.
11:38
I
11:38
think
11:38
also,
11:39
as
11:39
we
11:39
grow
11:39
older,
11:40
sometimes
11:40
we
11:41
gain
11:42
an
11:42
appreciation
11:42
for
11:43
something
11:43
that.
11:44
That
11:44
we
11:44
didn't
11:45
have
11:45
when
11:45
we
11:45
were.
11:46
Oh,
11:46
yeah.
11:47
I
11:47
know
11:47
a
11:47
lot
11:48
of
11:48
bands
11:48
who.
11:49
When
11:49
I
11:49
first
11:49
heard
11:50
them
11:50
or
11:50
found
11:51
them
11:51
or
11:51
whatever,
11:51
I
11:51
was
11:51
like,
11:52
God,
11:52
not
11:52
doing
11:52
it.
11:53
But
11:53
then
11:53
with
11:54
age,
11:55
maturity,
11:55
knowledge,
11:56
I
11:56
was
11:56
like,
11:56
you
11:57
know
11:57
what?
11:58
Still
11:58
may
11:58
not
11:58
like
11:58
them,
11:59
but
11:59
I
11:59
can
11:59
appreciate
12:00
what
12:00
they
12:00
do.
12:00
I
12:00
say
12:00
to
12:01
you
12:01
listeners,
12:01
don't
12:01
be
12:01
afraid
12:02
to
12:02
like
12:02
what
12:02
you
12:03
like.
12:04
Don't
12:04
be
12:04
so
12:04
intimidated
12:05
by
12:05
your
12:05
peers
12:06
or
12:06
your
12:06
own
12:07
impression
12:07
of
12:07
what
12:07
you
12:08
should
12:08
be
12:08
doing
12:08
to
12:09
overlook
12:09
stuff
12:10
that
12:10
you
12:10
think
12:10
is
12:10
good
12:11
and
12:11
brings
12:11
you
12:12
pleasure.
12:12
All
12:13
right?
12:13
Steely
12:13
Dan
12:14
is
12:14
my
12:14
secret
12:14
vice.
12:15
And
12:16
I
12:16
can
12:16
admit
12:16
to
12:17
it
12:17
now,
12:17
but
12:17
that
12:17
was
12:17
deep
12:18
undercover
12:18
for
12:18
a
12:19
long
12:19
time,
12:19
okay?
12:20
And
12:20
I
12:20
know
12:21
many
12:21
people
12:21
consider
12:21
Steely
12:22
Dan
12:22
the
12:22
worst
12:22
music
12:23
ever
12:23
contrived,
12:23
but
12:24
it
12:24
speaks
12:25
to
12:25
me
12:25
so
12:26
deeply.
12:26
So
12:27
there
12:27
you
12:27
are.
12:28
Yeah.
12:28
I
12:28
mean,
12:29
like,
12:29
I
12:29
was
12:30
also
12:30
guilty
12:30
of
12:30
disliking
12:31
bands
12:32
not
12:32
because
12:32
of,
12:33
like,
12:34
their
12:34
music,
12:35
because
12:35
I
12:35
didn't
12:35
like
12:36
the
12:36
people
12:36
who
12:36
listened
12:37
to
12:37
them.
12:37
And
12:37
it's
12:38
like,
12:38
oh,
12:38
I
12:39
don't
12:39
like
12:39
this
12:39
group
12:39
of
12:40
people.
12:40
So
12:40
I
12:40
don't
12:40
like
12:41
this
12:41
band
12:41
because
12:42
this.
12:42
Yeah,
12:43
it's
12:43
basically.
12:43
I
12:43
don't
12:43
like
12:44
Led
12:44
Zeppelin
12:45
because
12:45
gross
12:46
older
12:46
teenagers
12:47
like
12:47
Led
12:47
Zeppelin.
12:48
Yeah.
12:49
There
12:49
you
12:50
were
12:50
gross
12:51
people
12:51
with
12:51
long
12:51
hair,
12:53
like.
12:53
Like
12:53
that
12:54
kind
12:54
of
12:54
hippie
12:54
music.
12:55
Like
12:55
the
12:55
Almonds
12:55
now,
12:56
folks,
12:57
that
12:58
was
12:58
me
12:58
as
12:58
a
12:58
kid,
12:58
okay?
12:59
I
12:59
love
12:59
the
12:59
Allman
13:00
Brothers,
13:00
and
13:00
I
13:00
adore
13:01
Led
13:01
Zeppelin.
13:02
I'm
13:02
not
13:02
stupid,
13:03
okay?
13:03
I
13:04
don't.
13:04
I
13:04
don't
13:04
want
13:04
to
13:04
hear
13:04
from
13:05
you
13:05
all
13:05
about
13:05
this.
13:06
I.
13:06
I
13:06
do
13:06
love
13:07
these
13:07
groups
13:07
and
13:07
Black
13:08
Sabbath,
13:08
too,
13:09
okay?
13:09
It
13:10
took.
13:10
It
13:10
took
13:10
a
13:10
long
13:10
time
13:11
for
13:11
my
13:11
ears
13:11
to
13:11
open
13:12
up.
13:12
Gotcha.
13:13
Yeah,
13:14
it
13:14
happens.
13:15
It's
13:15
a
13:15
journey,
13:16
you
13:16
know?
13:16
It's
13:17
a
13:17
journey.
13:17
Yeah,
13:17
but
13:17
I.
13:18
Absolutely.
13:18
I
13:18
sold
13:18
my
13:18
autograph
13:19
Ted
13:19
Nugent,
13:20
okay?
13:21
Like,
13:21
I
13:21
was
13:21
one
13:22
of
13:22
these
13:22
guys.
13:22
I
13:22
was
13:22
in
13:23
the
13:23
front
13:23
row
13:23
for
13:24
Ted
13:24
Nugent.
13:24
I
13:25
was
13:25
that
13:25
into
13:25
it.
13:26
We
13:26
didn't
13:26
know
13:27
he
13:27
was
13:27
an.
13:28
Okay,
13:29
okay.
13:29
We
13:29
didn't
13:30
know
13:30
that
13:30
he
13:30
was
13:31
a
13:31
complete
13:31
racist
13:32
jackass.
13:32
We
13:33
thought
13:33
he
13:33
was
13:33
the
13:33
greatest
13:34
guit
13:35
ever
13:35
come
13:35
down
13:35
the
13:35
pike.
13:36
And
13:36
Ted
13:36
Nugent
13:37
did
13:37
do
13:38
hammer
13:38
on
13:38
solos.
13:39
One
13:39
hand.
13:40
I'll
13:40
be
13:40
at
13:40
one
13:40
handed.
13:41
But
13:41
he
13:41
was
13:41
doing
13:41
a
13:42
hammer
13:42
on
13:42
solo
13:43
well
13:43
before
13:43
we
13:43
saw
13:43
Eddie
13:44
Van
13:44
Halen
13:44
come
13:44
out
13:44
with
13:45
that.
13:45
Yeah,
13:45
but.
13:46
Oh,
13:46
I
13:46
sold
13:46
that
13:46
record
13:47
in
13:47
a
13:47
hot
13:47
minute.
13:48
Ted
13:49
Nugent
13:50
and,
13:50
you
13:50
know,
13:51
got
13:51
a
13:51
germs
13:51
record.
13:52
Yeah,
13:53
well,
13:53
yeah,
13:54
you
13:54
know,
13:54
people
13:54
are
13:55
people.
13:55
And
13:55
as
13:55
we
13:55
realize
13:57
people's
13:58
politics
13:59
or
13:59
worldviews
13:59
or
14:00
whatever,
14:00
it
14:00
doesn't
14:01
change
14:01
the
14:01
impact
14:02
their
14:02
music
14:02
has
14:03
had
14:03
on
14:03
us.
14:03
It
14:04
absolutely
14:05
changes
14:05
it.
14:05
Okay.
14:06
Music
14:06
is
14:06
so
14:06
personal.
14:07
It's
14:07
such
14:07
an
14:07
extension
14:08
of
14:08
the
14:08
personality.
14:09
A
14:09
lot
14:09
of
14:10
the
14:10
times
14:10
what
14:10
we're
14:10
consuming
14:11
is
14:11
the
14:11
musician's
14:12
image
14:12
or
14:13
our
14:13
fantasy
14:14
about
14:14
their
14:14
life,
14:15
not
14:15
just
14:16
the
14:16
recording
14:16
that
14:16
they
14:17
made.
14:17
Yeah.
14:17
And
14:18
this
14:18
is
14:18
why
14:19
I
14:20
couldn't
14:20
listen
14:20
to
14:20
no
14:20
Michael
14:21
Jackson
14:21
records
14:22
anymore,
14:22
even
14:22
though
14:22
he
14:22
was
14:23
really
14:23
big
14:23
to
14:23
me
14:23
in
14:24
the
14:24
1980s.
14:25
And
14:25
I
14:25
ain't
14:25
listening
14:25
to
14:26
no
14:26
R.
14:26
Kelly
14:27
or
14:27
Kanye
14:28
west
14:28
either.
14:29
I'm
14:29
sorry,
14:30
folks,
14:30
I'm
14:31
not
14:31
into
14:31
those
14:31
guys.
14:32
Ain't
14:32
listening
14:32
to
14:33
no
14:33
Gary
14:33
Glitter
14:33
records.
14:34
Okay,
14:35
fair
14:35
enough.
14:36
The
14:36
music
14:36
is
14:37
intensely
14:37
personal.
14:38
And
14:38
you
14:38
cannot
14:39
separate
14:40
the
14:40
art
14:40
from
14:41
the
14:41
artist.
14:41
Nor
14:41
should
14:42
you,
14:42
because
14:42
a
14:43
lot
14:43
of
14:43
what
14:43
you're
14:43
consuming
14:44
is
14:44
the
14:44
artist,
14:45
Period.
14:46
That's
14:46
what
14:46
people
14:46
pay
14:47
for,
14:47
is
14:47
proximity
14:48
to
14:48
the
14:48
guy.
14:49
Okay.
14:50
You
14:50
can't
14:51
even
14:51
sell
14:52
a
14:52
record
14:52
anymore.
14:53
Believe
14:53
me,
14:54
I've
14:54
tried.
14:55
Yeah,
14:55
well,
14:56
you
14:57
know,
14:57
and
14:58
I
14:58
don't
14:58
know.
14:58
I
14:58
might,
14:59
to
14:59
a
14:59
degree.
14:59
I
15:00
agree
15:00
with
15:00
you,
15:00
but
15:00
also
15:01
disagree
15:02
with
15:02
you
15:03
for
15:03
a
15:03
little
15:03
bit
15:03
because
15:04
I
15:04
think
15:04
initially,
15:05
yes,
15:06
like,
15:07
the
15:07
art
15:07
is
15:07
the
15:08
artist,
15:09
but
15:09
that
15:09
art
15:09
does
15:10
become
15:11
personal
15:12
to
15:13
the
15:13
person
15:13
at
15:14
some
15:14
point.
15:14
Yes,
15:14
it
15:14
takes
15:15
on
15:15
a
15:15
life
15:15
of
15:15
its
15:15
own
15:16
once
15:16
the
15:16
listener
15:16
gets
15:17
hold
15:17
of
15:17
it.
15:17
For
15:18
sure.
15:19
I'm
15:19
not
15:19
gonna
15:19
go
15:19
out
15:20
and
15:20
buy
15:21
music
15:21
from
15:22
these
15:22
people
15:22
once
15:22
I
15:22
figure
15:23
out
15:23
who
15:23
they
15:23
are,
15:24
but
15:25
the
15:25
music
15:25
I
15:25
already
15:25
have,
15:26
and
15:26
some
15:27
of
15:27
those
15:27
songs
15:27
are
15:27
just
15:28
really
15:29
personal
15:30
to
15:30
me
15:30
and
15:30
have
15:31
sort
15:31
of
15:31
existed
15:32
beyond
15:33
what
15:33
the
15:33
artist
15:34
is.
15:34
For
15:35
example,
15:35
there's
15:36
a
15:36
Light
15:36
that
15:36
Never
15:36
Goes
15:36
out
15:37
by.
15:37
By
15:37
Smiths.
15:38
Right.
15:39
Oh,
15:39
here's
15:39
a
15:40
good
15:40
example.
15:41
Thank
15:42
you.
15:42
That's
15:42
an
15:42
excellent
15:43
example
15:44
of
15:45
an
15:45
artist
15:45
who
15:45
we
15:46
really.
15:47
We
15:47
don't
15:47
like
15:47
that
15:47
guy
15:48
anymore.
15:48
No,
15:49
like,
15:49
at
15:50
all.
15:50
But
15:50
that
15:51
song,
15:51
to
15:51
me,
15:52
has
15:52
taken
15:52
on
15:53
so
15:53
much
15:54
more
15:55
definition
15:55
and
15:56
life
15:56
beyond
15:57
that
15:57
artist
15:57
Smith's
15:58
record
15:58
slapped.
15:59
And
15:59
I
16:00
think
16:00
that
16:00
we
16:00
have
16:00
Johnny
16:01
Mar
16:01
to
16:01
thank
16:01
for
16:01
that.
16:02
Right.
16:03
I
16:03
think
16:03
those
16:03
were
16:04
good
16:04
records
16:04
in
16:04
spite
16:04
of
16:05
the
16:05
big
16:05
twat.
16:06
Yeah.
16:07
I
16:07
think
16:07
it's
16:07
also
16:07
really
16:08
cool
16:08
that
16:08
they
16:08
never
16:08
got
16:09
back
16:09
together
16:09
with
16:09
that
16:10
guy
16:10
in
16:10
Spite
16:11
of
16:11
the
16:11
large
16:11
amounts
16:11
of
16:11
money.
16:13
I
16:14
hope
16:14
they
16:14
don't.
16:15
Yeah,
16:15
I
16:16
don't.
16:16
I
16:16
don't
16:16
think
16:16
they
16:16
will.
16:17
I
16:17
don't
16:17
think
16:17
they
16:17
will.
16:18
All
16:18
right.
16:19
There's
16:19
also
16:19
levels
16:20
to
16:20
things.
16:20
Like
16:21
for
16:21
all
16:21
of
16:21
his
16:21
foibles,
16:22
I
16:22
don't
16:22
think
16:22
Morrissey
16:23
was
16:23
raping
16:23
little
16:24
kids.
16:24
I
16:25
agree
16:25
with
16:25
you.
16:25
No
16:26
one's
16:26
ever
16:26
accused
16:26
him
16:27
of
16:27
that.
16:28
Yeah,
16:28
he's
16:28
a
16:28
giant
16:29
racist
16:29
twat.
16:30
Yes,
16:30
he
16:30
is.
16:31
Is
16:31
he
16:31
the
16:32
Ted
16:32
Nugent
16:32
of
16:32
new
16:33
wave?
16:33
I
16:33
don't
16:33
know.
16:34
I
16:34
don't
16:34
want
16:34
to
16:34
put
16:34
too
16:35
fine
16:35
a
16:35
point
16:35
on
16:35
it,
16:35
but
16:36
yeah,
16:37
I
16:37
got
16:37
you.
16:37
Okay,
16:38
back
16:38
on
16:39
focus
16:39
and
16:40
we're
16:40
deep.
16:41
Into
16:41
the
16:41
woods
16:41
here.
16:42
Anyway,
16:42
there's
16:43
this
16:43
thing
16:43
that
16:43
happened
16:43
in
16:43
Oregon
16:44
though,
16:44
that
16:44
I
16:44
wanted
16:45
to
16:45
tell
16:45
you
16:45
about,
16:45
since
16:45
you're
16:46
talking
16:46
about
16:46
community
16:47
building.
16:48
Yes,
16:48
it
16:48
was.
16:48
There
16:49
were
16:49
these
16:49
older
16:50
guys
16:51
and
16:52
this
16:52
small
16:53
group
16:53
of
16:53
people
16:53
who
16:54
were
16:54
a
16:54
few
16:54
years
16:54
older
16:55
than
16:55
me
16:55
and
16:56
who
16:56
were.
16:57
They
16:57
could
16:57
have
16:58
just
16:59
done
16:59
shows
17:00
in
17:00
bars
17:01
and
17:01
that
17:02
would
17:02
have
17:02
been
17:02
okay.
17:02
But
17:03
they
17:03
were
17:03
determined
17:04
to
17:04
keep
17:04
putting
17:04
on
17:05
all
17:05
ages
17:06
shows
17:07
one
17:07
way
17:08
or
17:08
another
17:08
by
17:08
either
17:09
doing
17:09
them
17:09
in
17:10
clubs
17:10
that
17:11
were
17:11
non
17:11
bars
17:12
or
17:13
doing
17:13
them
17:14
in
17:14
bars
17:14
but
17:15
putting
17:15
away
17:15
the
17:15
booze
17:16
for
17:16
an
17:17
all
17:17
ages
17:17
event.
17:17
And
17:18
that
17:18
was
17:18
a
17:18
novel
17:19
solution
17:19
that
17:19
I
17:20
think
17:20
at
17:20
the
17:20
time
17:20
you
17:20
could
17:21
only
17:21
see
17:21
in
17:21
Oregon
17:22
where
17:22
they
17:22
would
17:22
like
17:23
literally
17:23
throw
17:23
a
17:23
blanket
17:24
over
17:25
the
17:25
booze
17:26
and
17:26
bring
17:26
kids
17:27
into
17:27
the
17:27
bar
17:28
and
17:29
then
17:29
chase
17:29
them
17:30
all
17:30
out
17:30
at
17:30
9
17:30
o'
17:31
clock
17:31
so
17:31
that
17:31
the
17:31
adults
17:32
could
17:32
come
17:32
in
17:32
and
17:32
resume
17:33
drinking.
17:33
But
17:34
anyway,
17:34
this
17:34
group
17:35
of
17:35
guys,
17:36
and
17:36
there's
17:37
some
17:37
very
17:37
specific
17:37
guys
17:38
here
17:38
I'm
17:38
talking
17:38
about,
17:38
one
17:39
of
17:39
them
17:39
is
17:40
named
17:40
John
17:40
Shirley
17:40
and
17:41
he's
17:41
known
17:42
from
17:42
literature
17:43
as
17:43
the
17:43
father
17:43
of
17:43
cyberpunk.
17:45
John
17:45
Shirley
17:46
was
17:46
the
17:46
author
17:46
of
17:46
the
17:47
Crow
17:47
and
17:47
he
17:48
was
17:48
in
17:48
a
17:48
band
17:48
called
17:48
Sado
17:48
Nation
17:49
in
17:49
Portland.
17:50
He
17:50
was
17:50
just
17:50
a
17:51
weird
17:51
guy
17:52
from
17:52
Salem.
17:53
And
17:53
this
17:53
other
17:53
guy,
17:54
Fred
17:54
Cole,
17:54
who
17:55
was
17:55
later
17:55
in
17:55
Dead
17:55
Moon,
17:56
but
17:56
at
17:56
the
17:56
time
17:57
was
17:57
in
17:57
a
17:57
band
17:57
called
17:57
King
17:58
BE
17:59
and
17:59
later
17:59
the
18:00
Rats
18:00
and
18:01
had
18:01
this
18:01
guitar
18:01
store
18:02
called
18:02
Captain
18:02
Wiz
18:03
Eagles
18:04
and
18:04
this
18:04
other
18:04
guy,
18:05
Mark
18:05
Stan,
18:06
who
18:07
was,
18:07
well,
18:07
I'm
18:08
not
18:08
sure
18:08
what
18:08
he
18:09
was
18:09
other
18:09
than
18:09
a
18:09
malcontent,
18:10
but
18:11
those
18:11
three
18:12
guys
18:13
and
18:13
some
18:13
others
18:14
got
18:15
together
18:15
and
18:15
made
18:15
sure
18:16
that
18:16
there
18:16
was
18:16
this
18:16
series
18:17
of
18:17
gigs
18:17
that
18:17
went
18:18
on
18:18
that
18:19
created
18:19
a
18:19
scene
18:20
and
18:20
eventually
18:20
had
18:20
put
18:21
together
18:21
a
18:21
club
18:22
that
18:22
was
18:22
stable
18:23
and
18:23
ran
18:23
for
18:24
about
18:24
a
18:24
year
18:25
as
18:25
a
18:25
cooperative
18:26
sort
18:26
of
18:27
community
18:27
based
18:28
venture
18:29
with
18:29
an
18:29
actual
18:30
501C3
18:31
and
18:31
a
18:31
board
18:31
of
18:31
directors,
18:33
this
18:33
kind
18:33
of
18:33
apparatus
18:35
behind
18:35
it.
18:35
This
18:36
was
18:36
a
18:36
hugely
18:37
successful
18:37
cultural
18:38
operation
18:38
at
18:39
getting
18:39
a
18:39
whole
18:39
bunch
18:39
of
18:40
kids
18:40
my
18:40
age
18:41
engaged
18:41
in
18:43
starting
18:43
bands,
18:44
doing
18:44
gigs,
18:44
running
18:45
fanzines,
18:46
all
18:46
that
18:46
kind
18:47
of
18:47
action.
18:48
And
18:48
resulted
18:49
in
18:49
sort
18:49
of
18:50
an
18:50
enduring
18:50
scene
18:51
in
18:51
Portland
18:52
that
18:52
helped
18:53
sustain
18:53
the
18:53
Seattle
18:54
groups
18:54
and
18:54
a
18:54
lot
18:54
of
18:55
other
18:55
folks.
18:55
I'm
18:56
real
18:56
proud
18:56
of
18:56
having
18:57
been
18:57
part
18:57
of
18:57
it
18:57
and
18:57
was.
18:58
They
18:58
asked
18:58
me
18:58
to
18:59
be.
18:59
I
19:00
was
19:00
for
19:00
a
19:00
while
19:00
a
19:01
member
19:01
of
19:01
the
19:01
board
19:01
of
19:01
directors
19:02
of
19:02
that
19:02
outfit
19:02
at
19:03
age
19:03
18,
19:04
which
19:04
is
19:05
kind
19:05
of
19:05
nuts.
19:06
Was
19:06
I
19:06
in
19:06
over
19:06
my
19:07
head?
19:07
Not
19:07
really.
19:08
I
19:08
was
19:09
just
19:09
fully
19:09
engaged.
19:10
And
19:11
it
19:11
was
19:11
really
19:11
good
19:12
training
19:12
for
19:13
what
19:13
I
19:13
ended
19:13
up
19:13
doing.
19:14
But
19:15
yeah,
19:15
it
19:15
fell
19:15
apart.
19:16
It
19:16
got
19:17
replaced
19:17
by
19:17
a
19:17
largely
19:18
bar
19:18
scene
19:19
with
19:19
occasional
19:20
all
19:20
ages
19:20
things.
19:21
But
19:22
Portland
19:23
ended
19:23
up
19:23
blossoming
19:24
and
19:25
here
19:25
today
19:25
there's
19:26
so
19:26
much
19:26
happening
19:26
musically
19:27
in
19:27
Portland
19:27
and
19:28
Eugene
19:29
and.
19:29
Yeah,
19:30
well,
19:30
it's
19:30
the
19:31
kind
19:31
of
19:31
thing
19:32
that
19:32
sets
19:32
you
19:32
on
19:32
a
19:33
good
19:33
path.
19:34
And
19:34
it
19:35
was.
19:35
I'm
19:35
really
19:36
grateful
19:36
to
19:36
these
19:37
elders.
19:37
Mark
19:38
Stenn
19:38
is
19:38
still
19:39
alive
19:39
and
19:39
so
19:39
is
19:40
John
19:40
Shirley.
19:41
Fred
19:41
Cole
19:41
has
19:42
passed,
19:42
but
19:42
his
19:43
wife
19:43
Tootie
19:43
was
19:44
in
19:44
there
19:44
with
19:44
us
19:44
the
19:44
whole
19:45
time.
19:45
Kathleen
19:45
Cole,
19:46
she's
19:46
still
19:46
around
19:47
playing
19:47
festivals
19:48
this
19:48
summer,
19:49
so.
19:50
Oh,
19:50
wow.
19:50
That
19:51
affected
19:51
my
19:51
outlook
19:52
and
19:53
informed
19:54
what
19:54
I
19:54
ended
19:55
up
19:55
doing.
19:56
One
19:56
of
19:57
the
19:57
projects
19:58
was
19:59
setting
19:59
up
20:00
a
20:00
chain
20:00
of
20:01
technology
20:02
access
20:02
centers
20:03
and
20:04
sort
20:04
of
20:04
self
20:05
training
20:06
centers
20:06
for
20:07
musicians
20:07
and
20:07
other
20:07
music
20:08
professionals
20:08
throughout
20:09
Louisiana.
20:09
It
20:09
was
20:09
a
20:10
project
20:10
called
20:10
Music
20:10
Office
20:11
Co
20:11
Op.
20:12
And
20:12
so
20:12
we
20:12
would
20:12
set
20:13
up
20:13
these
20:13
well
20:13
equipped
20:14
offices
20:14
with
20:14
studios
20:15
attached
20:16
to
20:17
in
20:17
seven
20:17
different
20:17
cities.
20:18
And
20:19
in
20:19
most
20:19
of
20:19
these
20:19
places
20:20
also
20:20
offered
20:21
band
20:21
rehearsal
20:22
on
20:22
a
20:22
monthly
20:23
basis
20:24
or
20:24
a
20:24
private
20:24
studio
20:25
room
20:25
on
20:25
a
20:26
monthly
20:26
basis,
20:27
which
20:28
paid
20:28
the
20:28
bills
20:28
for
20:29
this
20:29
project,
20:29
made
20:30
itself
20:30
sustainable.
20:31
And
20:32
that
20:32
was
20:32
a
20:33
really
20:33
terrific
20:33
project
20:34
to
20:34
do.
20:35
We
20:35
used
20:35
somebody
20:36
else's
20:36
money.
20:36
We
20:36
did
20:37
it
20:37
under
20:37
the
20:37
banner
20:37
of
20:38
a
20:38
nonprofit
20:39
foundation.
20:39
And
20:40
we
20:40
were
20:40
able
20:40
to,
20:41
over
20:41
the
20:41
course
20:42
of
20:42
its
20:43
seven
20:43
or
20:43
eight
20:43
year
20:43
run,
20:44
touch
20:45
hundreds,
20:45
maybe
20:46
thousands
20:46
of
20:46
Louisiana
20:47
musicians
20:47
and
20:48
help
20:48
them
20:48
earn
20:48
a
20:49
little
20:49
more
20:49
money
20:49
at
20:49
what
20:50
they
20:50
were
20:50
doing
20:50
by
20:50
helping
20:51
them
20:51
be
20:51
more
20:52
organized,
20:52
more
20:53
professional,
20:54
more
20:54
prepared
20:55
and
20:55
able
20:55
to
20:55
deliver
20:56
and
20:57
to
20:57
have
20:57
more
20:58
marketable
20:59
results.
21:00
Yeah,
21:01
well,
21:01
isn't.
21:01
I
21:01
mean,
21:02
isn't
21:02
that
21:02
the
21:02
whole
21:03
punk
21:03
rock
21:03
ethos
21:04
anyway?
21:04
Right.
21:04
Well,
21:05
it
21:05
was
21:05
absolutely
21:05
an
21:06
application
21:06
of
21:06
the
21:06
punk
21:06
rock
21:07
ethos,
21:07
except
21:08
all
21:08
of
21:08
our
21:08
clients
21:08
were
21:09
involved
21:09
in
21:10
hip
21:10
hop,
21:11
soul,
21:11
R
21:12
B,
21:13
country
21:13
western,
21:14
pretty
21:14
much
21:14
everything
21:14
but
21:15
punk
21:15
rock.
21:15
So
21:16
that
21:16
was
21:16
interesting,
21:16
you
21:17
know,
21:17
but
21:18
yeah,
21:18
it's
21:18
the
21:18
same
21:18
ethos.
21:19
It's
21:19
the
21:19
same
21:20
kind
21:20
of
21:21
chores
21:21
that
21:21
we
21:22
got
21:22
to
21:22
do.
21:23
Yeah,
21:23
but
21:24
it's
21:24
also
21:24
community
21:25
building,
21:25
right?
21:25
Yeah,
21:26
absolutely.
21:27
So.
21:28
So
21:28
even
21:28
though
21:29
the
21:30
community
21:30
isn't
21:31
necessarily
21:31
spiked
21:32
hair
21:32
and
21:33
spiky
21:34
belts
21:34
and
21:34
patches.
21:35
Right.
21:35
It's
21:36
still
21:36
that
21:36
creator
21:37
musical
21:38
music
21:38
community
21:39
yes.
21:40
And
21:40
even
21:40
greater
21:41
world
21:41
community
21:41
and
21:42
sort
21:42
of
21:42
throw
21:43
in
21:43
like
21:43
the
21:43
tailings
21:44
of
21:44
punk
21:44
rock
21:45
into
21:45
it.
21:45
So
21:45
this
21:46
thing
21:46
that
21:46
I
21:46
was
21:47
a
21:47
small
21:47
part
21:47
of
21:48
was
21:48
associated
21:48
with
21:49
Tipitinas.
21:49
It
21:49
was
21:50
the
21:50
best
21:50
scene
21:50
in
21:50
New
21:50
Orleans,
21:51
where
21:51
we
21:51
had
21:52
a
21:52
former
21:52
hotel
21:53
that
21:53
had
21:53
been
21:53
turned
21:54
into
21:54
a
21:54
mini
21:55
storage
21:55
and
21:55
band
21:56
rehearsal
21:56
with
21:57
apartments
21:57
attached.
21:58
I
21:58
lived
21:59
there
22:00
and
22:01
the
22:01
groups
22:01
that
22:01
practiced
22:02
there
22:02
ranged
22:02
from
22:02
the
22:03
Suplex
22:03
and
22:03
I
22:04
Hate
22:04
God
22:04
to
22:05
George
22:05
Porter
22:06
and
22:07
Ivan
22:07
Neville.
22:08
And
22:08
you
22:08
know,
22:09
it
22:10
was
22:10
pretty
22:10
much
22:10
everybody
22:11
on
22:11
the
22:11
New
22:11
Orleans
22:12
scene.
22:12
100
22:13
different
22:13
bands
22:13
had
22:14
rooms
22:14
there.
22:15
You
22:15
could
22:15
hear
22:15
them
22:15
playing
22:16
all
22:16
day
22:17
night.
22:17
It
22:17
was
22:17
quite
22:17
a
22:18
situation.
22:18
Yeah,
22:19
I
22:19
bet.
22:19
In
22:19
a
22:20
smaller
22:20
way,
22:21
I've
22:21
done
22:21
that
22:22
with
22:22
my
22:22
own
22:22
money
22:22
here
22:23
in
22:23
Montgomery,
22:24
although
22:24
we
22:24
only
22:25
have
22:25
40
22:25
rooms
22:26
and
22:26
half
22:26
of
22:26
them
22:26
were
22:27
taken
22:27
over
22:27
by
22:27
cosmetologists
22:28
and
22:29
other
22:29
businesses.
22:30
It's
22:30
a
22:30
smaller
22:30
recording
22:31
environment,
22:31
rehearsal
22:32
scene
22:32
here
22:32
in
22:32
Montgomery,
22:34
but
22:35
there's
22:35
a
22:35
few
22:35
bands
22:36
that
22:36
rehearse
22:36
here,
22:37
including
22:37
my
22:37
own,
22:38
and
22:39
a
22:39
whole
22:39
bunch
22:39
of
22:40
people
22:40
making
22:40
hip
22:41
hop
22:41
and
22:41
electronic
22:42
music
22:43
on
22:43
a
22:44
very
22:45
commercial
22:46
level.
22:46
And
22:47
that's
22:47
an
22:47
honor
22:48
to
22:48
support
22:48
that.
22:49
It's
22:49
not
22:49
always
22:49
easy
22:50
and
22:51
it's
22:52
definitely
22:52
not
22:52
always
22:52
smooth,
22:54
but
22:54
it's
22:54
a
22:54
thing
22:55
I'm
22:55
able
22:55
to
22:55
do
22:56
within
22:56
capitalism,
22:57
you
22:58
know?
22:58
Yeah,
22:58
I
22:59
sold
22:59
my
22:59
house
22:59
in
23:00
New
23:00
Orleans.
23:01
I
23:01
bought
23:02
at
23:02
a
23:02
really
23:02
good
23:02
time
23:03
right
23:04
after
23:04
a
23:05
flood
23:06
and
23:06
took
23:06
something
23:06
that
23:07
was
23:07
pretty
23:07
much
23:07
worthless
23:08
and
23:08
fixed
23:08
it
23:08
up.
23:09
And
23:09
my
23:09
neighborhood
23:10
had
23:10
changed.
23:10
So
23:10
I
23:11
walked
23:11
out
23:11
of
23:11
this
23:12
New
23:12
Orleans
23:12
situation
23:13
with
23:14
just
23:14
enough
23:15
money
23:15
to
23:15
buy
23:15
a
23:16
modest
23:16
commercial
23:17
building
23:17
in
23:17
Montgomery,
23:18
Alabama,
23:19
which
23:19
is
23:19
a
23:19
very
23:20
small
23:20
market
23:20
where
23:21
the
23:21
prices
23:22
are
23:22
very
23:22
depressed
23:23
generally.
23:25
But
23:25
it
23:25
was
23:26
enough
23:26
that
23:26
I
23:26
could
23:26
pay
23:27
cash
23:27
for
23:27
this
23:27
building
23:28
and
23:29
live
23:29
there
23:30
while
23:30
trying
23:31
to
23:31
get
23:31
a
23:32
rental
23:32
business
23:32
started
23:34
that
23:34
worked
23:35
nice.
23:36
And
23:36
I'm
23:36
never
23:37
going
23:37
to
23:37
become
23:37
a
23:37
millionaire
23:38
doing
23:38
this.
23:38
And
23:38
I
23:38
have
23:38
to
23:39
work
23:39
seven
23:39
days
23:39
a
23:40
week,
23:40
but
23:41
it's
23:41
not
23:41
24
23:42
hours.
23:42
Okay.
23:43
Yeah.
23:43
Mostly
23:44
I
23:44
screw
23:44
around
23:44
with
23:44
music
23:45
and
23:46
I'm
23:46
able.
23:46
It
23:47
allows
23:47
me
23:47
to
23:48
foster
23:49
40
23:49
different
23:50
small
23:50
businesses,
23:52
including
23:52
a
23:53
number
23:53
of
23:53
music
23:54
producers,
23:55
these
23:55
live
23:55
groups,
23:56
and
23:56
a
23:57
bunch
23:57
of
23:57
other
23:57
people
23:57
who
23:57
are
23:58
just
23:58
kind
23:58
of
23:58
feeding
23:58
their
23:58
family
23:59
and
23:59
putting
24:00
shoes
24:00
on
24:00
their
24:00
kids
24:01
by
24:01
their
24:01
activities
24:02
here.
24:02
It's
24:02
been
24:03
gratifying
24:03
to
24:04
see
24:04
it
24:04
work.
24:04
I
24:04
don't
24:04
think
24:04
anybody
24:05
believed
24:05
it
24:05
would.
24:07
Yeah,
24:07
you
24:07
know,
24:07
like,
24:07
I
24:07
mean,
24:08
we
24:08
live
24:08
in
24:08
a
24:08
capitalistic
24:09
society.
24:09
Right.
24:10
So
24:10
there
24:10
are
24:10
some
24:11
frameworks
24:12
that
24:12
we
24:12
have
24:12
to
24:12
live
24:13
by
24:13
living
24:14
where
24:14
we
24:14
live.
24:15
But
24:15
that
24:15
doesn't
24:16
mean
24:16
we
24:16
have
24:16
to
24:16
buy
24:16
into
24:17
all
24:17
the
24:17
rules
24:17
of
24:17
it.
24:18
Right.
24:18
Like
24:18
we
24:18
can.
24:19
Right.
24:19
We
24:19
approach
24:20
that
24:20
system
24:21
with
24:22
compassion,
24:23
with
24:23
empathy,
24:24
and
24:24
with
24:25
a
24:25
sense
24:25
of
24:25
community.
24:27
Versus
24:28
how
24:28
can
24:28
I
24:28
screw
24:29
everybody
24:29
over
24:29
to
24:30
get
24:30
everything?
24:30
Yeah.
24:31
I
24:31
believe,
24:32
as
24:32
do
24:32
many,
24:32
that
24:33
housing
24:33
is
24:33
a
24:33
human
24:34
right.
24:34
As
24:35
a
24:35
result,
24:35
I
24:35
don't
24:36
work
24:37
in
24:37
residential
24:38
real
24:39
estate,
24:39
period.
24:40
I
24:40
don't
24:40
want
24:40
to
24:40
be
24:40
anybody's
24:41
home
24:42
landlord
24:43
ever.
24:43
I
24:44
don't
24:44
want
24:44
that
24:44
power
24:44
over
24:44
another
24:45
human,
24:45
human
24:45
being.
24:46
And
24:46
so
24:47
by
24:47
choice,
24:47
I
24:48
only
24:48
deal
24:48
with
24:48
commercial.
24:49
I
24:49
help
24:49
people
24:50
who
24:50
are
24:50
small
24:50
businesses.
24:51
The
24:53
experience
24:53
of
24:54
living
24:54
in
24:54
Montgomery
24:55
means
24:55
that
24:55
if
24:55
you're.
24:55
Well,
24:56
I
24:56
had
24:56
a
24:56
chance
24:56
to
24:57
go
24:57
to
24:57
the
24:57
Equal
24:57
Justice
24:58
Initiative
24:58
and
24:59
learn
25:00
about
25:01
the
25:01
history
25:01
of
25:02
Montgomery
25:02
and
25:03
how
25:04
corrections
25:05
work
25:05
in
25:05
this
25:06
community.
25:06
And
25:06
let
25:07
me
25:07
tell
25:07
you,
25:07
anybody
25:08
with
25:08
a
25:08
felony
25:09
is
25:09
going
25:09
to
25:09
have
25:09
a
25:09
hard
25:10
time
25:10
ranting
25:11
commercial
25:11
property
25:13
ever.
25:14
And
25:15
so
25:15
I
25:15
rent
25:16
to
25:16
them
25:16
and
25:17
basically
25:17
I
25:17
offset
25:18
that
25:18
by
25:18
living
25:19
here
25:19
and
25:19
keeping
25:19
an
25:19
eye
25:20
on
25:20
things
25:20
so
25:21
that
25:21
nobody
25:22
never
25:23
gets
25:23
out
25:23
of
25:23
hand.
25:24
If
25:24
somebody's
25:25
doing
25:25
wrong,
25:25
we
25:26
identify
25:26
it
25:26
and
25:27
walk
25:27
them
25:27
out
25:28
quick.
25:29
Yeah,
25:29
I've
25:31
allowed
25:31
my
25:31
own
25:32
leftist
25:33
views
25:33
to
25:33
influence
25:34
how
25:34
I
25:34
run
25:34
this
25:34
business,
25:35
you
25:36
know,
25:36
for
25:36
the
25:36
business
25:37
better
25:37
of
25:38
people
25:38
who
25:39
might
25:39
not
25:39
be
25:39
getting
25:40
a
25:40
chance
25:41
from
25:41
mainstream
25:42
capitalism,
25:43
especially
25:43
mainstream
25:44
commercial
25:44
landlords
25:45
who
25:45
are
25:46
corporate
25:46
shitbags
25:47
as
25:47
far
25:47
as
25:48
I
25:48
am
25:48
concerned.
25:49
I,
25:49
I
25:49
compete
25:50
with
25:50
giant
25:50
corporations
25:51
that
25:51
are
25:51
billion
25:52
dollar
25:53
concerns
25:53
and
25:54
are,
25:54
you
25:55
know,
25:55
rotten.
25:57
I
25:57
can
25:57
outmaneuver
25:58
and
25:59
out
25:59
price
25:59
and
25:59
out
25:59
position
26:00
them
26:00
every
26:00
day
26:00
of
26:01
the
26:01
week.
26:01
That's
26:01
pretty
26:02
easy.
26:02
I
26:02
do
26:02
okay.
26:03
And
26:03
my
26:03
little
26:04
niche,
26:04
I'll
26:04
just
26:04
never
26:05
be
26:05
any
26:05
threat
26:06
to
26:06
them.
26:07
Capitalism
26:07
sucks,
26:08
kids.
26:09
But
26:09
we're
26:10
stuck
26:10
here
26:10
and
26:11
you
26:11
got
26:11
to
26:11
learn
26:11
how
26:11
to
26:11
play
26:12
this
26:12
dumb
26:12
game
26:13
or
26:13
you're
26:13
really,
26:13
really
26:15
okay.
26:16
Just
26:16
saying,
26:16
oh,
26:16
capitalism
26:17
sucks.
26:17
I'm
26:17
not
26:17
going
26:17
to
26:18
learn
26:18
business.
26:18
I'm
26:18
not
26:18
going
26:18
to
26:19
deal
26:19
with
26:19
money.
26:19
Well
26:19
then
26:20
you're
26:20
going
26:20
to
26:20
deal
26:20
with
26:20
starvation.
26:21
Yeah,
26:22
it
26:22
bites,
26:23
bites,
26:23
bites.
26:24
And
26:24
you've
26:24
got
26:24
to
26:24
be
26:25
smart
26:25
and
26:25
you've
26:25
got
26:25
to
26:25
look
26:26
out
26:26
for
26:26
yourself
26:26
and
26:27
not
26:27
just
26:27
be
26:27
trying
26:27
to
26:28
pull
26:28
a
26:28
scam
26:28
all
26:28
the
26:29
time.
26:30
Okay?
26:30
I
26:31
encounter
26:31
a
26:31
lot
26:31
of
26:31
people
26:31
who
26:32
are
26:33
on
26:33
the
26:33
scam.
26:35
It
26:35
don't
26:35
work,
26:36
friends.
26:36
You
26:37
get
26:37
caught
26:37
up
26:37
short,
26:38
okay?
26:38
Whether
26:39
it's
26:39
big
26:39
or
26:39
small,
26:40
there's
26:41
nothing
26:41
honest
26:41
to
26:42
it.
26:42
And
26:42
in
26:42
the
26:42
long
26:42
run
26:43
you
26:43
will
26:43
fail.
26:44
And
26:44
I
26:44
say
26:44
this
26:44
too,
26:45
especially
26:45
to,
26:46
you
26:46
know,
26:46
the
26:47
people
26:47
who
26:47
are
26:47
trying
26:47
to
26:47
re
26:47
engineer
26:48
our
26:48
society
26:49
from
26:49
the
26:49
right.
26:50
They're
26:50
a
26:50
bunch
26:51
of
26:51
grifters
26:52
and
26:52
we
26:52
see
26:52
them
26:53
having
26:53
a
26:53
party
26:53
at
26:54
the
26:54
White
26:54
House
26:54
right
26:55
now.
26:55
Now,
26:55
but
26:55
will
26:56
not
26:56
last.
26:57
Yeah,
26:58
no,
26:59
no.
26:59
You
27:00
got
27:00
to
27:00
do
27:00
things
27:00
that
27:00
are
27:00
honest
27:01
and
27:02
well,
27:03
shoot.
27:03
Now
27:04
I'm.
27:04
We're
27:04
pretty
27:04
far
27:05
from
27:05
punk
27:05
rock
27:05
and
27:06
I'm
27:06
sounding
27:06
like
27:06
some
27:06
grumpy
27:07
Old
27:07
guy
27:07
who's
27:08
trying
27:08
to
27:08
justify
27:10
world,
27:10
you
27:10
know.
27:11
Well,
27:11
you
27:12
know,
27:12
but
27:12
we're
27:12
still
27:12
talking
27:13
about
27:13
community.
27:13
We're
27:13
still
27:14
talking
27:14
about.
27:15
Yeah.
27:15
I'm
27:15
lucky
27:16
to
27:16
have
27:16
built
27:16
this
27:16
little
27:17
community
27:17
of
27:18
business
27:18
people
27:18
who
27:19
are
27:19
at
27:19
least
27:19
like
27:19
minded
27:20
enough
27:20
to
27:20
all
27:21
work
27:21
in
27:21
the
27:21
same
27:21
place
27:22
together.
27:23
Yeah.
27:24
Make
27:24
money
27:25
together
27:25
without
27:25
interfering
27:26
with
27:26
each
27:26
other.
27:26
And
27:27
that's
27:27
kind
27:27
of
27:27
beautiful.
27:28
I'm
27:28
digging
27:28
it.
27:29
It
27:29
allows
27:29
me
27:29
the
27:30
freedom
27:30
to
27:30
mostly
27:30
screw
27:31
around
27:31
with
27:31
music.
27:32
Yeah.
27:32
Well,
27:32
I
27:33
think
27:33
it's
27:33
also
27:33
important
27:34
that
27:35
you
27:35
know
27:35
you're
27:35
giving
27:36
people
27:36
a
27:36
second
27:36
chance.
27:36
Right.
27:38
First
27:39
in
27:40
a
27:40
lot
27:40
of
27:40
cases.
27:41
Right.
27:42
You
27:42
know,
27:42
because
27:42
a
27:42
lot
27:42
of
27:42
people
27:43
don't
27:43
get
27:43
that
27:44
people
27:44
make
27:44
mistakes,
27:45
they
27:45
screw
27:45
up,
27:46
they
27:46
do
27:46
shitty
27:47
things.
27:48
It's
27:48
not
27:48
always
27:48
this
27:49
black
27:49
and
27:49
white
27:49
thing
27:50
of
27:50
like,
27:50
okay,
27:50
this
27:50
person
27:52
did
27:52
this
27:52
and
27:52
this
27:52
is
27:53
their
27:53
consequence.
27:53
Now
27:53
we're
27:54
going
27:54
to
27:54
judge
27:54
them
27:54
for
27:54
the
27:55
rest
27:55
of
27:55
their
27:55
lives.
27:55
Who
27:55
the
27:56
hell
27:56
knows
27:56
everything
27:56
that
27:57
went
27:57
into
27:57
that
27:57
decision,
27:58
right?
27:58
Man.
27:58
If
27:59
you
27:59
live
27:59
in
27:59
the
27:59
south,
27:59
if
28:00
you
28:00
grew
28:00
up
28:00
in
28:00
the
28:00
South.
28:01
I'm
28:02
sorry
28:02
to
28:02
say
28:02
it,
28:02
don't
28:03
get
28:03
mad,
28:03
but
28:03
categorically
28:04
you
28:04
got
28:04
cheated
28:05
out
28:05
of
28:05
a
28:05
good
28:05
education.
28:06
You
28:06
didn't
28:07
get
28:07
no
28:07
sex
28:07
ed.
28:07
Let's
28:08
start
28:08
right
28:08
there.
28:09
Yeah.
28:09
And
28:10
it's
28:10
not
28:10
just
28:10
Alabama.
28:11
This
28:11
is
28:11
Louisiana
28:12
and
28:12
this
28:13
is
28:13
the
28:13
South.
28:14
You
28:14
got
28:14
cheated
28:14
out
28:15
of
28:15
an
28:15
education
28:15
and
28:15
now
28:16
you're
28:16
being
28:16
cheated
28:16
out
28:16
of
28:17
an
28:17
economy
28:18
that
28:18
has
28:19
been
28:19
said
28:19
overseas.
28:20
So
28:21
it's
28:21
not
28:21
just
28:21
black,
28:22
it's
28:22
everybody.
28:23
Yeah,
28:23
no,
28:24
we've
28:25
been.
28:25
I
28:25
apologize.
28:26
Can
28:27
we
28:27
take
28:27
a
28:27
break
28:27
for
28:27
a
28:27
second?
28:28
I
28:28
need
28:28
to
28:28
refill
28:28
my
28:29
coffee,
28:29
reset
28:30
my
28:30
brain.
28:30
I
28:30
just
28:30
went
28:31
into
28:31
vapor
28:31
lock,
28:32
but
28:32
I
28:32
want
28:32
to
28:32
keep
28:32
going.
28:33
Yeah,
28:33
no
28:33
worries.
28:34
I'm
28:34
gonna
28:34
hit
28:34
stop.
28:34
Okay,
28:41
Cool.
28:42
We
28:42
are
28:42
going.
28:43
Okay,
28:43
our
28:43
story
28:44
so
28:44
far.
28:44
I
28:44
was
28:45
very
28:45
lucky
28:45
to
28:45
be
28:45
born
28:46
a
28:46
white
28:46
male
28:46
in
28:47
Oregon.
28:48
There
28:48
was
28:48
a
28:49
show
28:49
business
28:50
and
28:50
technology
28:50
revolutions
28:51
underway
28:53
and
28:55
I
28:55
was
28:55
able
28:56
to
28:56
get
28:56
a
28:56
good
28:56
education
28:57
almost
28:57
in
28:57
spite
28:57
of
28:58
myself.
28:58
I
28:59
certainly
28:59
put
28:59
up
28:59
a
29:00
fuss
29:00
about
29:00
it.
29:00
I
29:01
did
29:01
get
29:01
expelled
29:01
from
29:02
Beaverton
29:02
High
29:02
School
29:03
my
29:03
junior
29:03
year.
29:03
That
29:03
was
29:05
exciting
29:06
for
29:06
booze.
29:08
But
29:09
I
29:09
got
29:09
lucky
29:10
in
29:10
career
29:11
and
29:11
got
29:11
involved
29:12
in
29:12
what
29:12
I
29:12
wanted
29:12
to
29:13
in
29:13
California,
29:14
which
29:14
was
29:15
music
29:15
technology.
29:16
Then
29:16
I
29:16
got
29:16
lucky
29:17
in
29:17
real
29:17
estate
29:18
in
29:18
New
29:18
Orleans.
29:19
I
29:20
was
29:20
able
29:20
to
29:20
walk
29:20
away
29:21
with
29:21
enough
29:22
to
29:22
buy
29:22
a
29:23
property
29:23
in
29:23
a
29:24
small
29:24
town
29:24
in
29:25
Alabama
29:25
where
29:26
I
29:26
knew
29:26
nobody.
29:28
But
29:28
it
29:29
seemed
29:29
like
29:29
a
29:29
chance
29:30
to
29:30
make
29:30
another
29:30
start.
29:32
And
29:32
then
29:32
I
29:32
got
29:33
lucky
29:33
running
29:34
a
29:34
small
29:34
business
29:34
in
29:34
Montgomery,
29:37
surviving
29:37
to
29:37
this
29:37
wicked
29:38
old
29:38
age.
29:39
But
29:39
I
29:40
had
29:40
to
29:40
reinvent
29:40
myself
29:41
along
29:41
the
29:41
way
29:41
a
29:42
couple
29:42
of
29:42
times.
29:42
Beautiful.
29:45
My
29:45
scene
29:45
in
29:45
California
29:46
fell
29:46
apart
29:46
with
29:46
the
29:46
dot
29:47
com
29:47
meltdown.
29:49
And
29:50
I
29:50
went
29:51
from
29:51
making
29:51
about
29:51
110
29:52
grand
29:52
a
29:52
year
29:53
to
29:53
making
29:53
zero
29:53
grand
29:54
a
29:54
year.
29:55
And
29:55
that'll
29:56
put
29:56
a
29:57
change
29:57
on
29:57
your
29:57
head,
29:58
man.
29:58
That's
29:58
like
29:58
stepping
29:59
off
29:59
a
29:59
cliff.
30:00
And
30:00
so,
30:01
you
30:01
know,
30:01
I
30:01
wound
30:01
up
30:02
in
30:02
the
30:02
south
30:03
where
30:03
I
30:03
knew
30:03
basically
30:04
nobody
30:04
but
30:05
my
30:05
mother
30:06
in
30:06
law
30:07
and
30:07
had
30:07
to
30:07
find
30:08
a
30:08
new
30:08
career
30:08
somehow.
30:12
Then
30:13
after
30:14
that
30:14
career,
30:15
which
30:15
ran
30:15
real
30:16
well
30:16
for
30:16
11
30:16
years,
30:16
but
30:17
after
30:17
that,
30:17
bottomed
30:17
out
30:17
in
30:18
New
30:18
Orleans,
30:18
I
30:18
couldn't
30:19
get
30:19
hired
30:19
in
30:20
New
30:20
Orleans
30:20
anywhere.
30:21
It
30:21
sucked.
30:22
And
30:23
I
30:23
felt
30:24
like
30:24
a
30:24
broken
30:24
human
30:25
being
30:25
and
30:26
had
30:26
to
30:26
take
30:27
a
30:27
chance
30:27
on
30:27
myself
30:28
starting
30:28
something
30:30
that
30:30
I
30:30
thought
30:30
would
30:30
work
30:31
but
30:31
everybody
30:31
else
30:31
was
30:32
skeptical
30:33
of.
30:34
And
30:34
well,
30:36
I
30:36
got
30:36
lucky.
30:37
It
30:37
worked.
30:37
I'm
30:38
still
30:38
here.
30:39
Right.
30:39
This
30:39
is
30:39
the
30:39
10th
30:40
year
30:40
of
30:40
running
30:40
this
30:41
place,
30:41
so
30:42
I
30:42
guess
30:42
I
30:42
succeeded.
30:43
Yeah,
30:45
I'm
30:45
not
30:45
in
30:45
debt.
30:46
How
30:46
about
30:46
that?
30:47
Nice.
30:47
It
30:47
worked.
30:48
I
30:48
think
30:49
that
30:50
personal
30:52
reinvention
30:53
thing,
30:53
it's.
30:54
It
30:55
happens,
30:55
you
30:55
know,
30:56
it's
30:56
part
30:56
of
30:56
the
30:56
journey.
30:56
Right?
30:58
Yeah.
30:58
Or
30:58
you.
30:59
Or
30:59
you
30:59
go
30:59
down
31:00
in
31:00
flames.
31:01
Yeah,
31:02
I
31:02
mean,
31:03
I'm
31:03
on
31:03
like
31:03
the
31:04
14th
31:04
reinvention
31:05
right
31:05
now.
31:08
It's
31:08
portrayed
31:09
as
31:09
a
31:09
American
31:10
story.
31:11
You
31:11
stride
31:12
out
31:12
into
31:12
the
31:12
wilderness
31:13
with
31:14
your
31:14
ex
31:14
wife
31:14
nipping
31:15
at
31:15
your
31:15
heels
31:16
and
31:17
bills
31:18
flying
31:19
in
31:19
the
31:19
rear
31:20
view
31:20
mirror,
31:20
but
31:20
you
31:20
stride
31:21
out
31:21
to
31:21
the
31:21
wilderness
31:22
and
31:22
reinvent
31:23
yourself,
31:24
put
31:24
on
31:24
a
31:24
new
31:24
suit
31:25
and
31:25
get
31:25
right
31:25
with
31:26
Jesus
31:26
or
31:26
whatever
31:27
you
31:27
have
31:27
to
31:27
do.
31:28
And.
31:30
Well,
31:30
everybody
31:31
loves
31:31
that
31:31
story.
31:33
It's
31:33
messier
31:34
than
31:34
that.
31:35
Yeah,
31:35
well,
31:36
yeah,
31:36
and
31:36
it's.
31:37
I
31:37
think
31:37
that
31:37
has
31:38
become
31:38
the
31:38
new,
31:40
like,
31:40
sort
31:40
of
31:41
definition
31:42
of
31:42
the
31:42
American
31:42
dream,
31:43
where
31:43
the
31:44
original
31:44
version
31:45
is
31:45
much
31:45
more
31:47
solvent.
31:48
Right.
31:48
And
31:48
I
31:49
think
31:50
the
31:50
original
31:51
version
31:51
is
31:51
why
31:52
so
31:52
many
31:52
people
31:52
are
31:53
so
31:53
upset
31:54
Now.
31:56
I'll
31:56
go
31:56
into
31:56
a
31:57
little
31:57
bit
31:57
with
31:57
that.
31:57
Okay,
31:58
let's
31:58
be
31:58
clear
31:58
on
31:58
what
31:58
we're
31:59
talking
31:59
about
31:59
as,
31:59
quote,
32:00
the
32:00
American
32:00
dream,
32:01
which
32:01
is
32:01
a
32:01
complicated
32:02
stack
32:03
of
32:03
lies.
32:04
Was
32:04
this
32:04
the
32:04
single
32:05
family
32:05
dwelling
32:06
with
32:06
the
32:06
one
32:06
job
32:07
that
32:07
supports
32:08
the
32:08
whole
32:08
group
32:08
and,
32:09
you
32:09
know,
32:09
the
32:10
two
32:10
cars?
32:11
Well,
32:11
no,
32:12
that.
32:13
That
32:13
consumerist
32:14
dream.
32:14
No,
32:15
I
32:15
think
32:15
it's
32:15
even
32:16
earlier
32:16
than
32:16
that.
32:17
Right.
32:17
I
32:17
think
32:17
it's
32:17
a
32:17
combination
32:18
of
32:18
what
32:18
you
32:18
said
32:18
earlier.
32:18
It's
32:20
going
32:20
out
32:21
and
32:21
making
32:22
yourself
32:23
something.
32:25
Yeah,
32:26
right,
32:26
okay.
32:27
Like
32:27
going
32:27
out
32:27
and
32:27
making
32:27
yourself
32:28
something.
32:28
Oh,
32:29
the
32:29
pioneer.
32:29
Yeah,
32:30
the
32:30
pioneer
32:30
American
32:31
dream.
32:31
Right.
32:31
And
32:33
creating
32:34
this
32:34
new
32:36
life
32:37
for
32:37
yourself
32:37
that
32:37
was
32:38
better
32:38
than
32:38
the
32:38
old.
32:40
Yes,
32:43
folks.
32:43
And
32:44
this
32:44
was
32:44
a
32:44
big
32:44
lie,
32:44
folks,
32:45
because
32:45
it
32:45
ignored
32:47
whose
32:47
land
32:47
this
32:48
was
32:48
that
32:48
we
32:48
were
32:48
creating
32:48
the
32:49
new
32:49
life
32:49
on.
32:50
Right.
32:51
I'm
32:51
telling
32:52
you
32:52
this.
32:52
But
32:52
yeah,
32:53
kids
32:53
listening
32:54
at
32:54
home.
32:55
Yeah.
32:56
But
32:56
I
32:56
think
32:56
that,
32:59
I
33:00
think
33:00
one
33:00
of
33:00
our
33:00
biggest
33:01
imports
33:02
is
33:02
that
33:03
Dream
33:04
like
33:04
that
33:04
America
33:05
is
33:05
still
33:05
this
33:06
land
33:06
of
33:07
opportunity.
33:10
And
33:11
we're
33:11
probably
33:11
going
33:12
to
33:12
venture
33:12
into
33:12
politics
33:13
here
33:13
a
33:13
little
33:13
bit,
33:13
but
33:14
whenever
33:14
it's
33:14
my
33:14
podcast,
33:15
we
33:15
can
33:15
do
33:15
what.
33:15
We
33:15
want
33:15
to
33:15
do.
33:16
I
33:16
mean,
33:16
that's,
33:16
I
33:16
think
33:16
that's
33:17
key
33:17
to
33:17
the
33:17
marketing
33:18
of
33:18
America.
33:19
Right.
33:20
Immigrants.
33:21
Right.
33:22
And
33:22
that's
33:22
why
33:23
all
33:23
these
33:23
people
33:23
come
33:23
here
33:24
is
33:24
because
33:24
like
33:24
they
33:25
are
33:25
trying
33:26
to
33:26
make
33:26
something
33:26
better
33:27
for
33:27
themselves.
33:28
Yeah.
33:28
And
33:28
you
33:29
know,
33:29
can
33:29
I
33:29
digress
33:30
here
33:30
for
33:30
just.
33:30
Yeah,
33:30
please,
33:31
please.
33:31
Because
33:31
America
33:32
sets
33:33
up
33:34
obstacles
33:35
to
33:35
everything
33:36
you
33:36
try
33:36
to
33:37
do.
33:37
And
33:37
I
33:37
don't
33:37
mean
33:38
just
33:38
at
33:38
the
33:38
federal
33:38
level,
33:39
I
33:39
mean
33:39
particularly
33:40
at
33:40
the
33:40
local
33:41
state
33:41
level.
33:42
There's
33:42
just
33:43
all
33:43
of
33:43
these
33:44
everywhere
33:44
you
33:44
go.
33:44
Especially
33:45
if
33:45
you're
33:45
trying
33:45
to
33:46
make
33:46
something
33:46
better
33:46
for
33:46
yourself
33:47
and
33:47
be
33:47
an
33:47
entrepreneur,
33:50
you're
33:50
taxed
33:50
into
33:51
non
33:51
existence
33:51
almost
33:52
immediately.
33:53
I
33:54
was
33:54
over
33:54
in
33:54
Vietnam
33:55
and
33:57
yeah,
33:57
the
33:58
Communist
33:58
party
33:59
runs
33:59
the
33:59
place.
34:00
But
34:00
you
34:00
know
34:00
what
34:01
it
34:01
is
34:01
go
34:02
go
34:02
capitalism
34:03
on
34:04
every
34:04
level
34:04
in
34:04
Vietnam
34:05
right
34:05
now,
34:06
from
34:06
the
34:06
street
34:07
to
34:07
the
34:07
towers,
34:08
there
34:09
is
34:09
business,
34:10
business,
34:10
business.
34:10
And
34:10
the
34:11
government
34:11
wants
34:11
no
34:12
part
34:12
of
34:12
it.
34:12
They're
34:12
not
34:13
saying
34:13
no
34:13
to
34:13
nothing.
34:14
They're
34:15
not
34:15
taxing
34:15
or
34:16
licensing.
34:16
If
34:17
you
34:17
want
34:17
to
34:17
set
34:17
up
34:17
a
34:17
restaurant
34:18
on
34:18
the
34:18
sidewalk,
34:20
you
34:20
can
34:20
do
34:20
it.
34:21
And
34:22
many
34:22
do.
34:22
Okay.
34:23
They
34:23
set
34:23
up
34:23
restaurants
34:24
in
34:24
front
34:24
of
34:24
other
34:24
restaurants
34:25
on
34:26
the
34:27
sidewalk.
34:28
Cooking
34:29
on
34:29
the
34:30
sidewalk.
34:30
Don't
34:30
trip
34:31
that
34:31
somebody's
34:32
dinner
34:32
they're
34:32
cooking.
34:32
Okay,
34:34
that's.
34:34
And
34:36
yeah,
34:36
you
34:36
want
34:37
capitalism,
34:38
you
34:38
want
34:38
entrepreneuring,
34:39
Take
34:39
a
34:39
look
34:39
at
34:39
what's
34:40
going
34:40
on
34:40
in
34:40
allegedly
34:41
communist
34:42
Vietnam.
34:43
Okay.
34:44
Where
34:45
people
34:45
are
34:45
just
34:45
allowed
34:46
to
34:46
start
34:46
business
34:46
and
34:46
the
34:47
government
34:47
stays
34:47
completely
34:48
out
34:48
of
34:48
it.
34:49
I'm
34:50
not
34:50
saying
34:50
that's
34:50
great.
34:51
Their
34:51
infrastructure,
34:52
once
34:52
you
34:53
look
34:53
kind
34:53
of
34:53
behind
34:54
the
34:54
main
34:55
streets,
34:55
there's
34:56
a
34:56
lot
34:56
of
34:56
problems.
34:58
The
34:58
condition
34:58
of
34:59
their
34:59
legacy
35:00
infrastructure
35:00
is.
35:01
Anyway,
35:02
Bo,
35:02
it
35:02
was
35:02
good
35:03
for
35:03
me
35:03
to
35:03
get
35:03
a
35:03
peek
35:03
at
35:03
how
35:04
other
35:04
folks
35:04
live.
35:05
Right.
35:06
Americans
35:06
take
35:06
themselves
35:07
pretty
35:07
damn
35:07
seriously
35:08
and
35:08
think
35:08
they've
35:09
got
35:09
all
35:09
the
35:10
answers
35:10
problems
35:11
and
35:11
they
35:11
absolutely
35:11
do
35:11
not.
35:12
There's
35:12
a
35:12
much
35:12
larger
35:13
world
35:13
that
35:13
is
35:13
paying
35:13
us
35:14
a
35:14
little
35:14
mind
35:14
and
35:15
it's
35:15
for
35:15
the
35:15
best.
35:17
Well,
35:17
I'm
35:18
going
35:18
to
35:18
jump
35:18
back
35:18
to
35:18
the
35:18
American
35:19
dream,
35:20
this
35:20
exported
35:21
American
35:21
dream.
35:22
Right.
35:22
I
35:23
believe
35:23
that
35:25
some
35:26
of
35:26
the
35:26
biggest
35:26
conflict
35:27
between
35:29
Americans
35:31
and,
35:31
and
35:31
immigrants
35:32
isn't
35:33
it's
35:33
mask
35:34
between,
35:34
oh,
35:34
they're
35:34
going
35:35
to
35:35
take
35:35
our
35:35
jobs
35:35
and
35:35
oh,
35:36
they're
35:36
going
35:36
to
35:36
do
35:37
this
35:37
and
35:37
oh,
35:37
they're
35:37
going
35:37
to
35:38
bring
35:38
crime.
35:38
But
35:39
what
35:39
I
35:39
think
35:39
the
35:40
deeper
35:42
causation
35:42
of
35:42
that
35:43
is,
35:44
is
35:46
these
35:46
people
35:47
have
35:48
something
35:48
we
35:48
have
35:49
lost.
35:52
You
35:52
know,
35:52
I
35:53
think
35:53
most
35:53
Americans
35:54
have
35:55
just
35:55
accepted
35:56
their
35:57
role
35:57
in
35:57
life.
35:58
Like,
35:58
okay,
35:58
this
35:59
is
35:59
All
35:59
I
35:59
can
35:59
ever
35:59
be
36:00
now,
36:01
whatever
36:01
it
36:01
is,
36:01
this
36:02
is
36:02
all
36:02
I
36:02
can
36:02
be.
36:05
And
36:05
then
36:05
the.
36:06
These
36:06
people
36:06
from
36:07
other
36:07
places
36:07
are
36:07
coming
36:08
in
36:10
and
36:10
like,
36:10
well,
36:10
how
36:10
can
36:11
these
36:11
other
36:11
people
36:11
come
36:11
in
36:12
and
36:12
be
36:12
successful?
36:13
And
36:13
they're
36:13
coming
36:13
here
36:15
trying
36:16
to
36:16
get
36:16
something
36:16
that
36:16
I
36:17
can't
36:17
get
36:17
myself.
36:20
I
36:20
don't
36:20
think
36:20
it's
36:21
really
36:21
about
36:21
crime
36:21
and
36:21
all
36:22
that
36:22
other
36:22
stuff.
36:22
I
36:22
think
36:23
it's
36:24
that
36:24
lost
36:25
sense
36:25
of
36:25
hope.
36:27
Well,
36:27
I
36:28
think
36:28
people
36:28
are
36:28
taught
36:29
to
36:29
be
36:29
xenophobic
36:30
for
36:30
economic
36:31
reasons.
36:31
Yes.
36:31
Okay.
36:33
There's
36:33
a.
36:33
There's
36:33
an
36:34
ongoing
36:34
project
36:35
to
36:35
create
36:35
a
36:35
permanent,
36:36
exploitable
36:37
and
36:37
expendable
36:38
underclass.
36:39
And
36:39
it's
36:39
so
36:40
much
36:40
easier
36:40
for
36:40
these
36:41
racists
36:41
if
36:41
that
36:41
underclass
36:42
is
36:42
brown
36:42
skinned
36:43
or
36:43
yellow
36:43
skinned
36:44
or
36:44
whatever.
36:45
Because
36:46
if
36:46
we
36:46
buy
36:46
into
36:46
that,
36:46
then
36:47
we
36:47
can't
36:47
really
36:47
look
36:47
at
36:47
the
36:47
bigger
36:48
problem.
36:48
Yeah,
36:49
no,
36:49
I
36:49
think
36:49
there's
36:50
the
36:50
fundamental
36:50
issue
36:52
behind.
36:54
Well,
36:54
immigration
36:57
is
36:57
a
36:57
labor
36:57
issue.
36:58
Okay.
36:59
Immigration
36:59
is
36:59
not
36:59
a
37:00
cultural
37:00
issue.
37:02
It's
37:02
not
37:02
a
37:02
social
37:02
issue.
37:03
It
37:03
is
37:03
a
37:03
labor
37:04
issue.
37:05
And
37:08
yeah,
37:08
they
37:08
want
37:09
cheap
37:09
immigrant
37:09
labor
37:10
that
37:10
they
37:10
can
37:11
spray
37:12
with
37:12
chemicals
37:13
and
37:13
withhold
37:14
pay
37:14
from
37:14
if
37:14
they.
37:15
They
37:15
feel
37:15
like
37:15
it.
37:15
So,.
37:19
Yeah,
37:19
you
37:19
know,
37:20
there's
37:20
your
37:20
American
37:21
dream.
37:22
Come
37:22
and
37:22
get
37:22
it,
37:23
folks.
37:23
Yeah,
37:24
okay.
37:25
Try
37:25
to
37:25
get
37:25
back
37:26
on
37:26
some
37:26
kind
37:26
of.
37:28
Hey,
37:29
I'm
37:29
like,
37:29
Mr.
37:30
Negativity.
37:31
Yeah.
37:31
What's
37:32
your
37:32
T
37:32
shirt
37:32
say?
37:33
Have
37:33
you
37:33
heard
37:33
that
37:34
band?
37:34
Or
37:35
else
37:35
they're
37:35
from
37:35
Birmingham.
37:36
No.
37:37
So
37:38
they're.
37:38
They're
37:38
more
37:38
grind
37:39
here
37:40
for
37:40
me.
37:42
I'm
37:43
trying
37:43
to
37:43
figure
37:43
out
37:43
what
37:43
the
37:43
design.
37:44
Oh,
37:44
it's
37:44
like
37:44
rainbow
37:45
bars.
37:45
Okay,
37:45
good.
37:46
I'm
37:46
down.
37:47
Yeah,
37:48
yeah,
37:48
they're
37:49
more
37:49
grind
37:49
than,
37:50
you
37:50
know,
37:50
whatever.
37:51
Happy
37:52
Pride
37:52
Month
37:52
to
37:52
all
37:52
of
37:53
our
37:53
listeners.
37:53
Yeah,
37:54
Those
37:54
who
37:54
celebrate,
37:55
definitely.
37:56
Yeah.
37:57
But
37:57
they're
37:57
great
37:57
dudes.
37:58
I.
37:58
I'd
37:59
recommend
38:00
checking
38:00
them
38:00
out
38:00
and
38:00
reaching
38:01
out
38:01
to
38:01
them.
38:01
All
38:01
right.
38:02
Definitely
38:03
aligned.
38:04
How
38:05
was
38:05
the
38:05
gig?
38:06
It
38:07
was.
38:07
It
38:07
was
38:07
good.
38:08
So
38:10
we
38:10
ended
38:10
up
38:10
on
38:10
a
38:11
last
38:11
minute
38:11
show
38:14
Friday.
38:15
One
38:15
of
38:15
the
38:15
other
38:16
bands
38:16
dropped
38:16
off,
38:17
so
38:17
I
38:17
was
38:17
here
38:18
in
38:18
town.
38:19
And
38:19
then
38:19
last
38:20
night
38:20
in
38:20
Birmingham.
38:21
Yeah,
38:21
we
38:21
played
38:22
with
38:24
Boomstick
38:25
from
38:25
Nashville.
38:27
They're
38:27
cool
38:27
dudes.
38:27
They're
38:28
more.
38:28
Hell,
38:29
I'd
38:29
say
38:29
they're
38:29
more
38:29
like
38:29
party
38:30
punk,
38:31
you
38:31
know,
38:31
just
38:32
want
38:32
to
38:32
have
38:32
a
38:32
good
38:33
time
38:33
and
38:33
whatever.
38:34
But,
38:35
you
38:35
know,
38:35
one
38:35
or
38:36
two
38:36
of
38:36
their
38:36
songs
38:36
lean
38:37
a
38:37
little
38:37
political
38:38
like
38:38
they
38:38
have,
38:38
you
38:39
know,
38:39
one
38:39
of
38:39
their
38:39
newer
38:39
songs
38:40
called
38:40
Throw
38:40
Rocks
38:40
at
38:40
Nazis.
38:43
And
38:43
then
38:44
we
38:44
played
38:44
with
38:45
a
38:45
band
38:45
from
38:45
Pensacola
38:47
called
38:47
Kinder,
38:48
Gentler.
38:50
And
38:50
they
38:51
were.
38:51
I
38:52
really
38:52
dug
38:52
them.
38:53
Just
38:53
really,
38:53
really
38:54
dug
38:54
them.
38:55
And
38:55
then
38:58
played
38:58
with
38:58
Hans
38:59
Condor
38:59
from
39:00
Nashville
39:00
again.
39:02
And
39:02
they
39:02
put
39:02
on
39:02
an
39:03
amazing
39:03
live.
39:03
Show
39:04
this
39:04
Seems
39:04
like
39:05
big
39:05
time
39:05
rock
39:05
and
39:05
roll.
39:06
Yeah.
39:07
Yeah.
39:07
And
39:08
just
39:08
a
39:08
lot
39:08
of
39:08
energy.
39:09
Yeah.
39:10
So
39:10
it's
39:10
really
39:11
like,
39:11
the
39:11
bands
39:11
were
39:11
amazing.
39:12
Yeah.
39:13
Fun
39:13
time,
39:14
you
39:14
know.
39:14
And
39:14
then
39:14
there's
39:16
us
39:16
who
39:16
are
39:18
never
39:18
scared
39:18
of
39:20
speaking
39:21
our
39:21
minds.
39:22
How's
39:22
the
39:22
new
39:23
bass
39:23
player?
39:23
Oh,
39:24
she's
39:24
great.
39:25
She
39:25
definitely
39:26
has
39:27
more
39:27
of
39:27
a
39:27
following
39:27
than
39:28
the
39:28
rest
39:28
of
39:28
us
39:28
do.
39:28
After
39:29
every
39:29
show,
39:29
people
39:29
are
39:30
like,
39:30
hey,
39:30
can
39:31
we
39:31
get
39:31
our
39:31
pictures?
39:31
Well,
39:32
so
39:32
last
39:32
night,
39:33
you
39:33
know,
39:33
I
39:33
was
39:33
over
39:33
at
39:34
our
39:34
merch
39:34
table
39:34
or
39:35
whatever
39:35
and
39:35
people
39:35
were
39:36
a
39:36
couple,
39:37
four
39:37
or
39:37
five
39:37
kids
39:37
came
39:38
up
39:38
to
39:38
like,
39:39
hey,
39:39
where's
39:40
your
39:40
bass
39:40
player?
39:42
And
39:42
she
39:43
had
39:43
gone
39:43
out
39:43
of
39:44
the
39:44
room.
39:44
I
39:44
said,
39:44
oh
39:44
yeah,
39:44
she's
39:45
over
39:45
there.
39:46
Like,
39:46
I
39:46
said,
39:46
do
39:47
you
39:47
think
39:47
we
39:47
can
39:47
get
39:47
her
39:48
picture
39:48
taken
39:48
with
39:48
her?
39:51
And.
39:51
And
39:52
I
39:52
was
39:52
like,
39:52
yeah,
39:52
sure.
39:52
And
39:52
then
39:53
joke,
39:53
man.
39:53
I
39:53
was
39:53
like,
39:53
what?
39:53
You
39:53
don't
39:54
want
39:54
your
39:54
picture
39:54
taken
39:54
with
39:54
me?
39:54
And
39:54
they're
39:55
like,
39:55
she
39:55
sort
39:55
of
39:55
rocks.
39:57
Yeah,
39:57
go
39:58
for
39:58
it.
39:59
Like,
39:59
yeah,
40:00
take
40:00
all
40:00
the
40:00
pictures
40:00
you
40:01
want.
40:01
Like,
40:01
you
40:01
know,
40:01
go
40:02
ask
40:02
her.
40:02
But
40:02
I'm
40:02
sure
40:03
she
40:03
will
40:03
be
40:03
more
40:03
than
40:03
happy,
40:04
you
40:05
know,
40:05
none
40:05
of
40:05
the
40:05
rest
40:05
of
40:05
us.
40:06
People
40:06
didn't
40:07
care.
40:08
But
40:08
no,
40:08
she,
40:09
she's
40:09
doing
40:09
great.
40:10
She
40:10
picked
40:10
up
40:10
all
40:10
the
40:11
songs
40:11
really
40:11
quick.
40:12
We're
40:12
writing
40:12
new
40:13
songs.
40:13
She's
40:14
awesome.
40:14
And
40:14
she
40:14
moved
40:15
up
40:15
here
40:15
from
40:15
Florida,
40:15
so
40:16
she,
40:16
she
40:16
was
40:16
with
40:16
a
40:17
couple
40:17
bands
40:17
down
40:17
in,
40:18
in
40:18
Florida.
40:19
Has
40:19
done
40:19
tours.
40:20
Like,
40:21
really
40:22
gets
40:23
it
40:23
and
40:23
really
40:23
gets
40:23
like
40:24
what
40:24
we're,
40:25
what
40:25
we're
40:25
trying
40:25
to
40:26
do.
40:27
And
40:27
one
40:27
of
40:27
the
40:27
things
40:27
that
40:28
we
40:28
do
40:28
with
40:29
our
40:29
merch
40:29
that
40:29
we
40:30
get
40:31
criticized
40:31
on
40:32
frequently
40:34
is
40:35
like,
40:35
I
40:35
don't,
40:36
I
40:36
don't
40:36
price
40:36
any
40:36
of
40:37
our
40:37
merch.
40:39
And
40:39
so
40:40
the
40:40
way
40:41
people
40:41
pay
40:42
for
40:42
it,
40:42
we
40:42
ask
40:42
people
40:43
to
40:43
pay
40:43
either
40:43
what
40:44
they
40:44
can
40:44
or
40:44
what
40:44
they
40:44
think
40:45
is
40:45
fair.
40:46
And
40:46
we
40:46
don't
40:46
judge.
40:46
We
40:47
just
40:47
ask
40:47
them,
40:47
you
40:48
know,
40:48
don't
40:48
take
40:48
advantage
40:48
of.
40:50
So
40:50
if
40:50
you
40:50
want
40:50
a
40:50
shirt
40:51
and
40:51
you
40:51
only
40:52
have
40:52
$5,
40:52
like,
40:53
cool.
40:53
But
40:53
if
40:53
you
40:53
want
40:54
shirt
40:54
and
40:54
you
40:54
have
40:54
$20,
40:55
cool.
40:55
And
40:56
people
40:56
will
40:56
get
40:56
criticized
40:57
on
40:57
it
40:57
all
40:57
the
40:57
time.
40:57
Like,
40:57
oh,
40:58
people
40:58
are
40:58
going
40:58
to
40:58
take
40:58
advantage.
40:58
They're
40:59
going
40:59
to
40:59
lie.
40:59
They're
41:00
whatever,
41:00
you
41:00
know,
41:01
and
41:01
with
41:02
me,
41:03
and
41:04
we've
41:04
talked
41:04
about
41:04
with
41:04
a
41:05
band,
41:05
it's,
41:06
you
41:06
know,
41:07
if
41:07
somebody
41:07
lies
41:07
like
41:08
that,
41:08
that
41:09
doesn't
41:09
impact
41:10
our
41:11
accountability
41:12
and
41:13
that
41:13
doesn't
41:13
impact
41:13
our
41:13
integrity
41:14
and
41:14
that
41:14
doesn't
41:15
impact
41:16
what
41:16
we
41:16
are
41:16
trying
41:16
to
41:17
do
41:17
with
41:17
the
41:17
world.
41:17
That's
41:18
on
41:18
them,
41:20
you
41:20
know,
41:21
and
41:21
for
41:21
us,
41:21
it's,
41:22
it's.
41:22
We
41:23
feel
41:23
it's
41:23
more
41:23
important
41:24
for
41:24
our
41:25
message
41:25
to
41:25
get
41:25
out
41:26
there
41:26
than
41:27
for
41:27
the
41:27
$20
41:27
from
41:28
the
41:28
shirt
41:29
for
41:29
us,
41:29
you
41:30
know,
41:30
and
41:30
we're
41:30
not
41:30
judging
41:32
anybody
41:32
else.
41:33
Like,
41:33
you
41:33
know,
41:33
this
41:34
is
41:34
just
41:34
decision
41:34
we've
41:35
made
41:35
for
41:35
our
41:35
band.
41:36
Much
41:36
like,
41:36
you
41:36
know,
41:37
we
41:37
only
41:37
play
41:37
all
41:37
ages
41:38
shows,
41:39
which
41:40
limits
41:40
in
41:40
Huntsville,
41:41
especially
41:42
the
41:42
shows
41:43
we
41:43
get
41:43
to
41:43
play.
41:43
I
41:44
didn't
41:44
know
41:44
that
41:44
was
41:44
your
41:44
policy.
41:45
That's
41:45
an
41:45
admirable
41:46
policy.
41:47
Yeah,
41:47
that's
41:47
the,
41:48
the
41:48
Fugazi
41:49
approach.
41:49
And
41:51
yes,
41:51
but
41:52
you
41:52
know,
41:53
we,
41:53
we,
41:53
we.
41:55
Boy,
41:56
good
41:56
for
41:56
you.
41:57
Yeah.
41:57
And
41:57
again,
41:58
you
41:58
know,
41:58
for
41:58
us
41:59
it,
41:59
it's.
42:00
We
42:01
all
42:01
grew
42:01
up
42:01
in
42:02
a
42:02
scene
42:03
with
42:03
Access.
42:04
We
42:05
all
42:05
had
42:05
access.
42:05
Johnny's
42:06
from
42:06
Boston
42:07
and
42:07
Bill's
42:08
from
42:08
Memphis
42:09
and
42:09
I
42:09
grew
42:09
up
42:09
in
42:10
the
42:10
Northern
42:10
Virginia,
42:11
D.C.
42:11
scene.
42:13
No,
42:13
he
42:13
was
42:13
from
42:13
Boston.
42:14
Now
42:14
he
42:15
starts
42:15
to
42:15
make
42:15
sense.
42:16
What
42:16
part
42:16
of
42:16
Boston
42:17
is
42:17
Johnny
42:17
from?
42:18
I
42:18
don't
42:18
know.
42:18
I
42:19
mean
42:19
he's
42:19
lived
42:19
all
42:20
over.
42:20
Okay.
42:20
But
42:20
I
42:21
used
42:21
to
42:21
live
42:21
in
42:21
Boston.
42:22
You
42:22
know,
42:23
for
42:23
all
42:23
of
42:23
us,
42:23
we
42:23
had
42:23
Access.
42:24
Right.
42:25
And
42:25
without
42:26
those
42:26
all
42:26
ages
42:27
shows,
42:27
none
42:27
of
42:28
us
42:28
would
42:28
be
42:28
here.
42:29
Yeah.
42:31
You
42:31
know,
42:31
and
42:31
so
42:33
again
42:33
for
42:33
us,
42:33
I'm
42:34
not
42:34
like
42:34
we're
42:35
not
42:35
criticizing
42:36
anybody
42:36
else,
42:36
we
42:37
all
42:37
realize
42:37
whatever.
42:38
But
42:39
for
42:39
us
42:39
it's
42:39
how
42:40
can
42:40
we
42:41
create
42:42
this
42:42
bigger
42:42
community
42:43
and
42:43
refresh
42:44
the
42:44
community
42:44
and
42:44
bring
42:45
more
42:45
people
42:46
and
42:46
new
42:46
people
42:46
into
42:47
this
42:47
community
42:48
without
42:49
having
42:49
access
42:50
to
42:50
those
42:50
people
42:52
and
42:53
talk
42:53
to
42:53
somebody
42:53
that
42:53
like,
42:54
you
42:54
know,
42:54
you
42:54
all
42:54
really
42:54
need
42:55
to
42:55
play
42:56
bar
42:56
shows.
42:57
You'll
42:57
just,
42:58
you'll
42:58
have
42:58
access
42:58
to
42:59
like
42:59
a
42:59
different
42:59
crowd,
42:59
a
43:00
newer
43:00
crowd.
43:01
And
43:01
I
43:02
said
43:02
to
43:02
him,
43:02
I
43:02
was
43:02
like,
43:02
okay,
43:03
cool.
43:03
I
43:03
said,
43:03
so
43:04
most
43:04
of
43:04
our
43:04
fans
43:05
are
43:05
under
43:05
the
43:05
age
43:06
of
43:06
21.
43:07
So
43:08
if
43:08
we
43:08
play
43:08
a
43:08
show
43:09
that's
43:09
only
43:09
21
43:10
plus,
43:11
all
43:11
these
43:11
people
43:12
who
43:12
like
43:12
us,
43:12
all
43:13
these
43:13
people
43:13
who
43:13
come
43:13
out
43:13
to
43:13
us
43:14
for
43:14
whatever
43:14
reason
43:16
aren't
43:16
able
43:16
to
43:16
come.
43:18
But
43:18
if
43:18
we
43:18
play
43:19
an
43:19
all
43:19
ages
43:19
show,
43:21
like
43:22
everybody
43:23
can
43:23
come
43:23
to
43:24
it.
43:25
So
43:25
somebody's
43:26
not
43:26
going
43:26
to
43:26
come
43:26
to
43:26
a
43:26
show
43:27
because
43:27
it's
43:27
all
43:27
ages.
43:29
Like
43:31
then
43:31
they're
43:31
really
43:31
not
43:32
the
43:32
people
43:32
I
43:32
want
43:32
coming
43:32
to
43:33
my
43:33
show
43:33
anyway,
43:35
you
43:36
know,
43:36
for
43:36
us.
43:37
Yeah.
43:37
So
43:37
that's
43:38
just
43:38
how
43:38
the
43:38
way
43:38
we
43:38
do
43:38
things.
43:39
And
43:39
we
43:40
have
43:40
played
43:40
some
43:41
21
43:42
plus
43:42
shows,
43:42
but
43:42
it's
43:43
very,
43:44
very
43:44
rare.
43:45
And
43:46
it's
43:46
typically
43:46
when
43:48
we're
43:48
doing
43:48
a
43:48
favor
43:48
for
43:49
somebody,
43:49
like
43:49
somebody
43:49
dropped
43:50
off,
43:50
they
43:50
just
43:50
need
43:50
somebody
43:51
to
43:51
plug
43:51
in
43:51
last
43:52
minute
43:52
or
43:53
something
43:53
like
43:53
that.
43:54
But
43:55
I
43:55
would
43:55
say
43:55
the
43:56
vast
43:56
majority
43:57
of
43:57
our
43:57
shows,
43:57
especially
43:58
if
43:58
we
43:58
know
43:58
about
43:58
it
43:58
like
43:59
way
43:59
ahead
43:59
of
43:59
time,
44:00
are
44:01
strictly
44:01
all
44:01
ages.
44:03
Okay.
44:04
I
44:04
think
44:04
bilking
44:05
is
44:05
something
44:05
that
44:05
we,
44:06
I
44:06
would
44:06
be
44:06
quick
44:06
to
44:07
say
44:07
that
44:07
I
44:07
don't
44:07
do
44:08
it
44:08
well.
44:09
I
44:09
don't
44:09
really
44:10
enjoy
44:10
it
44:10
as
44:11
a
44:11
task
44:12
and
44:13
it's
44:13
become
44:14
challenging
44:14
for
44:15
us
44:15
because
44:15
it's
44:15
a
44:16
clicky
44:16
scene.
44:17
Yeah,
44:17
yeah.
44:17
We
44:18
sort
44:18
of
44:18
just
44:18
take
44:18
what
44:18
gigs
44:19
are
44:19
offered
44:19
us.
44:20
Once
44:21
in
44:21
a
44:21
while
44:21
we'll
44:21
throw
44:21
one.
44:22
We
44:22
threw
44:23
one
44:23
at
44:23
a
44:23
bar
44:23
here
44:23
recently
44:24
and
44:25
we
44:25
had
44:25
a
44:25
good
44:25
time.
44:26
The
44:26
bar
44:27
owner
44:27
was
44:27
great
44:28
about
44:28
it.
44:28
She
44:29
was.
44:29
And
44:29
the
44:29
Nowhere
44:30
Squares
44:30
couldn't
44:30
make
44:33
was
44:33
heartbreaking.
44:34
We,
44:34
we,
44:35
at
44:35
the
44:35
request
44:36
of
44:36
the
44:36
Nowhere
44:36
Squares,
44:37
we'd
44:37
kind
44:37
of
44:37
produce
44:37
this
44:38
thing
44:38
and
44:38
then
44:38
they
44:38
couldn't
44:39
make
44:39
it
44:39
at
44:39
the
44:39
last
44:39
minute.
44:40
A
44:40
good
44:40
time
44:40
was
44:40
had
44:41
anyway.
44:42
Yeah,
44:42
yeah,
44:43
they're
44:43
good
44:43
folks.
44:44
We'll
44:44
work
44:44
them
44:45
again.
44:45
Same.
44:45
But
44:46
I
44:46
wanted
44:47
to
44:47
point
44:47
out
44:47
that
44:47
we
44:47
are
44:48
at
44:48
this
44:48
curious
44:48
moment
44:49
here.
44:49
Punk
44:50
rock
44:51
in
44:51
many
44:52
ways
44:52
was
44:52
a
44:52
project
44:53
to
44:54
destroy
44:54
the
44:55
record
44:55
industry
44:55
and
44:56
also
44:56
get
44:56
our
44:56
hands
44:57
on
44:57
the
44:57
tools
44:58
of
44:58
production
44:59
so
44:59
we
44:59
could
44:59
make
44:59
our
44:59
own
45:00
records.
45:01
And
45:01
punk
45:01
rock
45:02
failed
45:02
at
45:03
that
45:03
a
45:04
lot.
45:04
What
45:05
succeeded
45:05
at
45:05
destroying
45:06
the
45:06
record
45:06
industry
45:07
and
45:07
democratizing
45:08
access
45:08
to
45:08
tools
45:08
was
45:09
the
45:09
tech
45:09
business.
45:11
And
45:13
so
45:13
here
45:13
we
45:13
are
45:14
today
45:14
where
45:14
the
45:15
record
45:15
industry
45:16
is
45:16
this
45:17
tiny
45:17
shrunken
45:18
thing
45:19
and
45:20
it
45:20
cannot
45:20
sustain
45:21
us.
45:22
It's
45:22
impossible
45:23
to
45:23
sell
45:23
recorded
45:24
music
45:24
or
45:25
for
45:25
that
45:25
matter,
45:25
video.
45:27
And
45:27
we
45:28
are
45:28
left
45:28
with
45:29
is
45:29
selling
45:30
either
45:30
proximity
45:31
in
45:31
the
45:31
form
45:31
of
45:32
gigs,
45:33
tickets,
45:34
or
45:34
selling
45:35
merchandise
45:35
like
45:36
clothing.
45:36
It's
45:37
a
45:37
curious
45:37
predicament.
45:39
Us
45:39
musicians,
45:40
especially
45:40
the
45:40
boomers
45:41
like
45:41
myself,
45:42
were
45:42
conditioned
45:43
to
45:43
a
45:43
sort
45:43
of
45:44
anti
45:44
capitalism
45:45
where
45:45
we
45:45
didn't
45:45
want
45:46
to
45:46
sully
45:46
ourselves
45:47
with
45:47
the
45:47
things
45:48
like
45:48
shilling
45:49
for
45:49
Budweiser
45:50
or
45:50
selling
45:51
T
45:51
shirts
45:51
in
45:51
your
45:52
size
45:52
and
45:52
color.
45:53
And
45:55
it
45:56
seemed
45:56
like
45:56
being
45:57
tainted
45:57
with
45:57
the
45:57
marketplace
45:58
was
45:58
distasteful.
45:59
And
45:59
yet
46:00
that's
46:01
all
46:01
we
46:01
got
46:01
left.
46:02
Yeah.
46:03
All
46:03
right,
46:03
so
46:04
congratulations,
46:05
punks.
46:06
We
46:06
won,
46:07
I
46:07
guess.
46:08
Right?
46:09
The
46:09
record
46:09
industry
46:10
is
46:10
kaput.
46:12
Except,
46:12
you
46:13
know,
46:13
the
46:14
stub
46:14
end
46:14
of
46:15
the
46:15
form
46:15
that
46:15
sells
46:16
us.
46:16
Taylor
46:16
Swift.
46:17
And
46:18
she
46:18
can't
46:19
really
46:19
sell
46:19
albums
46:20
either.
46:21
Yeah.
46:22
I
46:22
spent
46:22
a
46:22
thousand
46:23
bucks
46:23
remaking
46:24
T
46:24
shirts
46:24
for
46:24
this
46:24
band.
46:25
I
46:25
went
46:25
on
46:26
strike
46:26
from
46:26
it
46:26
about
46:27
five
46:27
years
46:27
ago
46:27
after
46:28
we
46:28
got
46:28
into
46:28
a
46:28
beef
46:29
with
46:29
some
46:29
people.
46:29
I
46:29
was
46:30
like
46:30
this
46:30
merchant,
46:32
you
46:32
know.
46:32
I
46:32
didn't
46:33
get
46:33
into
46:33
this
46:33
to
46:33
be.
46:35
To
46:35
be
46:35
in
46:35
the
46:35
rag
46:36
trade.
46:36
I
46:36
want
46:36
to
46:36
make
46:37
records.
46:38
And
46:38
so
46:38
I
46:38
focused
46:39
on
46:39
that
46:39
for
46:39
five
46:39
years.
46:40
But
46:40
now
46:40
I
46:40
have
46:40
relented
46:41
since.
46:41
We're
46:41
going
46:41
on
46:42
tour
46:42
next
46:42
month
46:42
and
46:43
we
46:43
need
46:43
a
46:43
bunch
46:43
of
46:43
T
46:43
shirts.
46:44
So.
46:44
Yeah.
46:45
Can
46:45
afford
46:45
the
46:45
gasp.
46:46
Yeah.
46:47
Well,
46:48
well,
46:48
driving
46:48
back
46:49
last
46:49
night
46:49
with
46:49
Mandy,
46:50
who
46:50
is
46:50
our
46:50
bass
46:51
player,
46:52
she
46:52
was
46:52
saying,
46:53
oh,
46:53
one
46:53
of
46:53
my
46:54
friends
46:54
in
46:54
Florida
46:55
really
46:55
wants
46:55
a
46:55
hat.
46:55
How
46:56
much?
46:56
How
46:56
much?
46:58
Just.
46:59
Just
46:59
take
46:59
the
46:59
damn
46:59
hat
47:00
and
47:00
send
47:01
it
47:01
to
47:01
him.
47:01
Like
47:01
if
47:01
he
47:02
Wants
47:02
to
47:02
give
47:02
us
47:02
some
47:02
money
47:02
for
47:03
it.
47:03
Awesome.
47:03
Like,
47:03
otherwise,
47:04
whatever
47:05
she
47:05
was
47:06
saying,
47:06
this
47:06
is
47:07
so
47:07
much
47:07
different
47:07
than
47:08
her
47:08
experience.
47:08
Other
47:09
bands
47:09
she's
47:09
like,
47:09
even
47:09
bands
47:10
she
47:10
has
47:10
been
47:10
in
47:10
that
47:10
she
47:11
helped
47:11
pay
47:11
for
47:11
the
47:11
merch,
47:12
they're
47:12
still
47:12
like,
47:12
nope,
47:13
you
47:13
know,
47:13
shirts
47:14
are
47:14
15,
47:15
you
47:15
got
47:15
to
47:15
pay
47:15
15.
47:16
You
47:16
can't
47:16
just
47:16
have
47:16
one.
47:17
Yeah.
47:18
Again,
47:18
it's
47:18
more
47:19
about
47:19
the
47:19
message.
47:19
We'd
47:19
rather
47:20
our
47:20
name
47:20
be
47:20
out
47:21
there.
47:21
But
47:22
also
47:22
for,
47:23
again,
47:23
for
47:23
us,
47:23
it's
47:24
no
47:24
judgment
47:25
on
47:26
anybody
47:26
else's,
47:27
you
47:27
know,
47:27
decisions
47:27
we've
47:28
made
47:28
for
47:28
ourselves.
47:29
For
47:29
us,
47:29
it's
47:29
not
47:30
like
47:31
it's
47:31
not
47:31
a
47:31
business.
47:32
Oh,
47:32
look,
47:33
man,.
47:35
I
47:35
know
47:35
for
47:35
some
47:36
people
47:36
it
47:36
is
47:36
like,
47:36
you
47:37
know,
47:37
we're
47:37
not
47:37
on
47:37
tour,
47:37
we
47:38
don't
47:38
have
47:38
to
47:38
make
47:38
gas
47:39
money.
47:39
Maybe
47:39
if
47:40
the
47:40
situation
47:40
was
47:41
different,
47:41
it
47:41
would
47:42
be
47:42
different,
47:42
but
47:42
for
47:43
us
47:43
it's
47:43
not.
47:43
And
47:44
I
47:44
definitely
47:44
see
47:44
that
47:45
as
47:45
a
47:45
luxury
47:46
that
47:46
we
47:46
have
47:47
that
47:47
many
47:48
bands
47:48
don't.
47:50
Because
47:50
we're
47:50
not
47:50
worried
47:50
about
47:50
making
47:51
it
47:51
to
47:51
the
47:51
next
47:51
town.
47:51
We're
47:52
not
47:52
worried
47:52
about
47:52
paying
47:52
rent.
47:53
We're
47:53
not
47:53
worried
47:53
about
47:54
any
47:54
of
47:54
that
47:54
with
47:55
the
47:55
band
47:55
paying
47:56
the
47:56
bills.
47:57
I
47:57
think,
47:57
Bo,
47:58
I
47:58
think
47:58
your
47:58
band
47:58
is
47:59
a
47:59
psyop,
47:59
just
48:00
like
48:00
my
48:00
band.
48:01
Okay.
48:01
We're
48:01
not
48:01
trying
48:01
to
48:02
make
48:02
it
48:02
in
48:02
show
48:02
business.
48:03
That
48:03
would
48:03
be
48:03
ridiculous.
48:04
Right.
48:04
Okay.
48:05
We're
48:05
trying
48:05
to
48:05
make
48:05
it
48:05
in
48:06
the
48:06
messaging
48:06
business.
48:07
Yes.
48:07
We're
48:08
trying
48:08
to
48:08
get
48:08
our
48:08
messages
48:09
across.
48:09
It's
48:10
a
48:10
psyop.
48:11
It's
48:11
an
48:11
art
48:11
project.
48:12
I
48:12
don't
48:12
know
48:13
why.
48:13
It's
48:13
a.
48:14
It's
48:14
a
48:14
guaranteed
48:15
money
48:15
loser
48:16
that
48:16
we're
48:16
doing
48:16
for
48:17
other
48:17
reasons.
48:18
Most
48:18
definitely.
48:19
Yes.
48:20
And
48:22
this
48:22
was
48:23
never
48:23
a
48:23
viable
48:24
career
48:24
option
48:25
until
48:25
Green
48:26
Day
48:26
came
48:26
along
48:27
and
48:27
made
48:27
people
48:27
reevaluate
48:28
some
48:28
things.
48:29
But
48:29
that
48:30
also
48:30
will
48:30
never
48:31
happen
48:31
again.
48:32
Yeah.
48:32
There
48:33
will
48:33
not
48:33
be
48:33
another
48:33
Green
48:34
Day.
48:34
No.
48:36
So,
48:36
nor
48:37
should
48:37
there
48:37
be.
48:39
But
48:39
I
48:39
think
48:39
we're
48:40
at
48:40
a
48:40
weird,
48:40
fucked
48:41
up
48:41
moment
48:41
where
48:41
the
48:41
social
48:42
network
48:42
are
48:42
of
48:42
no
48:43
help
48:43
and
48:43
value
48:43
whatsoever.
48:44
The
48:44
social
48:44
networks
48:45
are
48:45
keeping
48:45
our
48:46
messages
48:46
from
48:46
going
48:47
across.
48:47
Every
48:48
time
48:48
we
48:48
post
48:48
a
48:48
track
48:49
or
48:49
about
48:49
a
48:49
gig,
48:49
we
48:50
get
48:50
two
48:50
likes
48:50
to
48:51
hit.
48:55
If
48:55
this
48:55
is
48:55
going
48:56
to
48:56
work,
48:56
if
48:56
these
48:57
psyops
48:57
are
48:57
to
48:58
succeed,
48:58
it's
48:58
going
48:58
to
48:58
be
48:59
person
48:59
to
48:59
person.
49:00
Yeah.
49:00
You
49:01
know,
49:01
in
49:01
the
49:01
parking
49:02
lot
49:02
at
49:02
an
49:02
all
49:03
ages
49:03
show
49:04
in
49:04
the
49:04
store.
49:05
Oh,
49:05
I
49:05
saw
49:05
you
49:06
last
49:06
night.
49:07
It's
49:07
going
49:08
to
49:08
be,
49:08
you
49:08
know,
49:08
that's
49:09
the
49:09
only
49:09
way
49:09
this
49:09
is
49:09
to
49:09
going.
49:10
Going
49:10
to
49:10
work.
49:10
Right.
49:10
It's
49:11
the
49:11
only
49:11
way
49:11
it's
49:11
going
49:11
to
49:12
have
49:12
the
49:12
effect
49:12
that
49:12
we
49:12
hope
49:13
for.
49:13
Right.
49:13
I
49:13
wish
49:13
we
49:14
were
49:14
better
49:14
organized.
49:14
I
49:15
wish
49:15
we
49:15
were
49:15
smarter.
49:15
Better
49:16
organized
49:16
and
49:16
better
49:16
funded.
49:17
Don't
49:17
you?
49:18
Oh,
49:18
definitely.
49:19
But
49:19
that's
49:19
another
49:19
reason
49:19
why
49:20
we
49:20
pretty
49:20
much
49:21
only
49:21
play
49:21
all
49:21
ages
49:22
shows
49:22
is
49:22
that
49:23
for
49:23
us,
49:23
we
49:23
feel
49:24
like
49:24
it's
49:24
the
49:25
kids
49:25
that
49:25
need
49:25
to
49:25
hear
49:25
the
49:26
message.
49:26
Right.
49:27
The
49:27
kids
49:28
that
49:28
need
49:28
to
49:28
hear,
49:28
hey,
49:29
you're
49:29
not
49:29
alone.
49:31
Hey,
49:31
you
49:31
do
49:31
have
49:32
support.
49:33
Hey,
49:33
there
49:33
are
49:33
people
49:34
that.
49:35
That
49:35
value
49:36
you,
49:37
regardless
49:38
of
49:38
how
49:39
you
49:39
identify,
49:39
of
49:40
who
49:40
you
49:40
are,
49:40
of
49:41
who
49:41
your
49:41
true
49:42
authentic
49:42
self
49:43
is.
49:44
Like,
49:44
there
49:44
is
49:44
value
49:45
in
49:45
that.
49:46
And
49:48
we
49:48
love
49:49
you.
49:50
Yes.
49:50
And
49:51
we
49:51
want
49:51
you
49:51
here
49:52
and
49:52
we're
49:52
glad
49:52
that
49:52
you're
49:53
here.
49:54
Right.
49:54
I
49:55
mean,
49:55
everybody
49:55
needs
49:56
to
49:56
hear
49:56
that.
49:57
I
49:57
wish
49:57
I
49:57
could
49:57
say
49:58
that
49:58
as
49:58
eloquently
49:59
as
49:59
you,
49:59
Bob.
50:00
Well,
50:00
thank
50:01
you.
50:01
Okay.
50:02
Well
50:02
done.
50:02
Yes.
50:04
Please,
50:04
please
50:04
come
50:05
to
50:05
our
50:05
gigs
50:05
and
50:06
say
50:06
that.
50:06
Yeah,
50:07
yeah.
50:08
Okay.
50:08
I
50:08
love
50:09
playing
50:09
with
50:09
y'.
50:09
All.
50:09
Like,
50:10
anytime
50:10
you
50:10
all
50:10
have
50:11
an
50:11
open
50:11
slot,
50:12
please.
50:12
All
50:12
right.
50:13
Yeah.
50:13
That's
50:14
an
50:14
important
50:14
message
50:15
that
50:15
I
50:15
don't.
50:15
Think.
50:18
People
50:18
hear
50:18
nearly
50:19
enough.
50:21
And.
50:21
And
50:21
that's
50:22
our
50:22
psyop,
50:22
right?
50:23
Like,
50:23
look,
50:25
you're
50:25
loved,
50:26
you're
50:26
valued,
50:28
you
50:28
belong.
50:30
Show
50:30
up
50:30
and
50:30
you're
50:31
safe
50:31
at
50:31
our
50:32
show.
50:36
That's
50:36
it.
50:37
And
50:38
you
50:38
know,
50:38
people
50:38
get
50:38
tripped
50:39
out
50:39
sometimes
50:39
because,
50:40
like,
50:40
we
50:40
see
50:40
you
50:40
playing
50:41
and
50:41
you're
50:41
like,
50:41
aggressive
50:42
and
50:42
you're
50:42
over
50:43
and
50:43
you're
50:43
loud
50:43
and
50:43
you're
50:44
whatever,
50:45
like.
50:45
But
50:45
you're
50:45
singing
50:46
about,
50:46
like,
50:46
love
50:47
and
50:47
you're
50:47
singing
50:48
about
50:48
compassion
50:49
and
50:49
empathy.
50:50
Because
50:50
I
50:50
get
50:51
it.
50:51
Like,
50:51
I
50:51
mean,
50:51
I'm
50:52
still
50:52
angry
50:52
and
50:52
pissed
50:52
off,
50:54
but
50:54
I'm
50:54
pissed
50:54
off
50:55
because
50:55
these
50:55
things
50:55
aren't
50:55
happening
50:56
and
50:56
they
50:56
need
50:56
to
50:56
be.
50:57
Like,
50:57
I
50:57
can
50:57
be
50:58
angry
50:58
with
50:58
my
50:59
love.
50:59
I
50:59
can
50:59
be
50:59
angry
51:00
with
51:00
my
51:00
acceptance.
51:02
I
51:02
can
51:03
be
51:03
aggressive
51:03
with
51:03
it.
51:04
You
51:04
know,
51:04
if
51:05
people
51:05
can
51:05
be
51:05
aggressive
51:06
with
51:06
their
51:07
anger
51:07
and
51:08
aggressive
51:08
with
51:08
their
51:09
hatred,
51:09
why
51:10
can't
51:10
I
51:10
be
51:10
as
51:10
equally
51:11
aggressive
51:11
with
51:11
my
51:12
love
51:12
and
51:12
acceptance?
51:13
Well,
51:14
yeah.
51:15
Yeah.
51:16
The
51:16
answer
51:16
is,
51:17
well,
51:20
heteronormative
51:21
expectations.
51:22
I
51:23
think
51:23
the
51:23
short
51:23
answer
51:25
that
51:25
is
51:25
why
51:25
you
51:25
can't.
51:26
But
51:26
I'm
51:27
not
51:27
sure
51:27
I
51:27
feel
51:27
safe
51:28
at
51:28
my
51:28
own
51:29
gigs.
51:30
In
51:30
fact,
51:30
I'm
51:30
positive
51:31
I
51:31
don't.
51:32
Okay.
51:32
I'm
51:33
a
51:33
guy
51:33
who
51:33
feels
51:33
a
51:33
ton
51:34
of
51:34
anxiety
51:35
about
51:35
all
51:35
this
51:35
stuff,
51:36
which
51:36
is
51:36
pretty
51:36
curious
51:37
for
51:37
someone
51:37
who's
51:37
a
51:37
lifelong
51:38
performer.
51:39
Yeah.
51:39
But
51:40
I
51:40
never
51:40
feel
51:41
as
51:41
exposed
51:42
as
51:42
I
51:42
am
51:43
when
51:43
I'm
51:45
around
51:45
the
51:45
gig.
51:47
Up
51:47
on
51:48
stage.
51:48
I'm
51:48
a
51:48
little
51:48
better.
51:49
I
51:49
got
51:49
something
51:49
in
51:50
my
51:50
hand
51:50
I
51:50
can
51:50
defend
51:50
myself
51:51
with,
51:51
but
51:51
I'm
51:51
usually
51:52
empty
51:52
handed,
51:53
walking
51:54
around.
51:54
Yeah,
51:55
I
51:55
don't
51:55
feel
51:55
safe,
51:56
Bo.
51:56
Yeah.
51:57
I
51:58
can't
51:58
make
51:58
any
51:58
promises
51:59
of
51:59
safety
51:59
to
51:59
anybody.
52:01
Okay.
52:01
I.
52:02
I'll
52:02
defend
52:03
your
52:03
ass
52:03
if
52:03
there's
52:03
trouble.
52:04
I'LL
52:04
stand
52:04
up
52:05
for
52:05
you.
52:05
I
52:05
will
52:06
stand
52:06
between
52:06
it.
52:07
But
52:07
yeah,
52:08
that's
52:09
an
52:09
interesting
52:09
mindset.
52:09
You're
52:10
more
52:10
confident,
52:10
you're
52:10
more
52:10
comfortable
52:11
than
52:11
I
52:11
am.
52:11
Yeah.
52:12
It's
52:12
a
52:12
stressful
52:13
situation
52:13
for
52:14
me.
52:14
Yeah.
52:15
And
52:16
we
52:16
were
52:16
actually,
52:17
you
52:17
know,
52:17
one
52:17
of
52:18
the
52:18
shows
52:18
past
52:19
couple
52:19
nights,
52:19
we
52:19
were
52:20
having
52:20
this
52:20
conversation
52:20
or
52:21
you
52:21
know,
52:22
I
52:23
said,
52:23
you
52:23
know,
52:24
because
52:24
we
52:24
all
52:24
have
52:25
histories.
52:25
Right.
52:26
You
52:26
know,
52:26
Johnny
52:26
served
52:26
some
52:27
time
52:27
and
52:27
was
52:28
approached
52:28
by
52:31
a
52:31
gang
52:31
while
52:31
in
52:32
prison
52:34
to
52:34
join.
52:35
And
52:35
he's
52:36
like,
52:36
well,
52:36
let
52:36
me
52:36
think
52:36
about
52:37
and
52:37
get
52:37
back
52:37
to
52:37
you.
52:37
And
52:38
his
52:38
response
52:38
was
52:38
getting
52:39
a
52:39
giant
52:40
xed
52:41
out
52:41
swastika
52:41
tattooed
52:42
on
52:42
his
52:42
chest.
52:43
He's
52:43
like,
52:43
here's
52:44
my
52:44
response.
52:45
Oh,
52:45
you
52:46
know
52:46
Bill
52:48
the
52:48
anti
52:48
swastika.
52:49
Right.
52:50
Okay.
52:50
He
52:50
got
52:51
an
52:51
anti
52:51
fascist
52:52
tattoo
52:52
on
52:52
his
52:53
chest
52:53
as
52:53
a
52:53
response
52:54
to
52:54
the
52:54
gang
52:54
offer.
52:55
Correct.
52:56
Thank
52:56
you.
52:56
That's
52:57
a
52:57
stand
52:57
up
52:58
thing
52:58
to
52:58
do.
52:59
Right.
52:59
I
52:59
just
52:59
wanted
53:00
to
53:00
be
53:00
clear.
53:00
I
53:00
understood
53:01
that.
53:01
Yeah.
53:02
Bill
53:02
has
53:03
his
53:03
history.
53:04
I've
53:04
fought
53:06
Nazis
53:06
and
53:06
fascists
53:07
and
53:07
skinheads,
53:08
like
53:08
physically
53:08
fought
53:09
them.
53:10
We
53:10
were
53:10
talking
53:11
like,
53:11
I
53:11
think
53:11
we
53:12
might
53:12
be
53:12
the
53:12
most
53:13
unassuming
53:13
tough
53:14
guy
53:14
band
53:16
in
53:17
our
53:17
area
53:17
because
53:17
none
53:18
of
53:18
us
53:18
really
53:18
go
53:18
out
53:18
and
53:18
we
53:19
aren't
53:19
like,
53:19
hey,
53:19
look,
53:20
we
53:20
do,
53:20
but
53:21
our
53:21
words
53:21
aren't
53:21
just
53:22
our
53:22
words.
53:22
Like
53:23
there's
53:24
action
53:24
to
53:24
back
53:24
up
53:25
everything
53:25
we
53:25
say.
53:26
Yeah.
53:26
Who
53:26
think
53:27
they're
53:27
tough
53:27
guys
53:27
or
53:28
want
53:28
to
53:28
be
53:28
tough
53:29
guys.
53:29
They're
53:30
not.
53:30
Right.
53:31
You
53:31
know,
53:32
and
53:32
going,
53:32
you
53:32
know,
53:32
going
53:33
to
53:33
what
53:33
you
53:33
said,
53:33
like,
53:33
yeah.
53:34
I
53:34
can't
53:34
guarantee
53:36
that
53:36
somebody,
53:37
some
53:37
idiots
53:38
aren't
53:38
going
53:38
to
53:38
walk
53:38
into
53:39
a
53:39
show
53:39
and
53:39
start
53:39
causing
53:40
drama
53:41
or
53:41
start
53:41
causing
53:42
violence.
53:42
I
53:42
can't
53:43
guarantee
53:43
that.
53:43
But
53:43
what
53:44
I
53:44
can
53:44
guarantee
53:44
is
53:45
that
53:46
you're
53:46
not
53:46
going
53:46
to
53:46
face
53:47
that
53:47
by
53:47
yourself.
53:48
Oh,
53:48
yeah.
53:48
You
53:49
know,
53:49
that
53:49
we
53:49
will
53:50
put
53:50
ourselves
53:51
in
53:51
front
53:52
of
53:52
you
53:54
so
53:54
you
53:54
don't
53:54
have
53:54
to
53:54
face
53:55
that
53:55
by
53:55
yourself.
53:55
Mr.
53:55
Todd
53:56
Crazy.
53:56
He
53:56
don't
53:56
give
53:57
a
53:57
anymore.
53:57
Right.
53:58
Yeah.
54:00
I,
54:01
I
54:01
haven't
54:01
seen
54:01
it
54:02
all,
54:02
but
54:02
I've
54:02
seen
54:02
enough.
54:03
Yeah.
54:04
I'm
54:04
not,
54:05
I
54:05
will
54:05
not
54:06
play
54:06
this
54:06
any
54:06
longer.
54:07
Right.
54:08
Yeah.
54:08
You
54:09
know,
54:09
and
54:09
I
54:09
think
54:09
there's
54:10
so
54:10
much
54:11
easily
54:12
accessible
54:13
daily
54:14
hatred
54:14
and
54:15
intolerance
54:16
in
54:17
our
54:17
world
54:19
that
54:20
for
54:21
us
54:21
it's
54:21
that
54:22
hope,
54:22
love
54:23
and
54:23
compassion
54:23
piece.
54:25
Like
54:25
we
54:25
need
54:25
to
54:25
make
54:26
that
54:26
as
54:26
easily
54:26
as
54:27
accessible.
54:28
Yeah.
54:29
You
54:29
know,
54:29
for
54:29
me,
54:30
who
54:30
writes
54:30
most
54:31
of
54:31
the
54:31
lyrics,
54:32
like,
54:32
that's
54:32
what
54:33
punk
54:33
rock
54:33
and
54:33
the
54:33
punk
54:34
rock
54:34
community
54:34
has
54:35
taught
54:35
me.
54:36
When
54:36
I
54:36
had
54:36
nowhere
54:37
else
54:37
to
54:37
go
54:38
when
54:38
I
54:38
was
54:38
a
54:39
teenager,
54:40
you
54:40
know,
54:41
the
54:41
punk
54:41
and
54:41
arc
54:41
were
54:41
seeing
54:42
open
54:42
arms.
54:42
Come
54:43
as
54:43
you
54:43
are.
54:43
We're
54:44
just
54:44
glad
54:44
you're
54:44
here
54:45
and
54:45
that's
54:46
not
54:46
saying
54:46
that
54:47
there
54:48
weren't
54:48
some
54:48
really
54:49
messed
54:49
up
54:50
things
54:50
happening
54:51
or
54:51
happen,
54:52
but
54:52
still,
54:52
it
54:53
was
54:53
like,
54:53
come
54:53
as
54:53
you
54:53
are,
54:54
we're
54:54
glad
54:54
you're
54:55
here.
54:55
And
54:55
you
54:55
have
54:55
a
54:55
community
54:56
and
54:56
you
54:56
have
54:56
a
54:56
family
54:57
within
54:57
this
54:57
scene.
55:00
Yeah.
55:01
Can
55:01
I
55:01
ask
55:02
how
55:02
old
55:02
you
55:02
are?
55:03
47.
55:04
Thank
55:05
you.
55:05
Okay.
55:08
What
55:08
was
55:08
your
55:10
epiphany
55:10
Band?
55:13
I've
55:13
had
55:13
a
55:13
couple.
55:15
The
55:15
first
55:15
song
55:16
I
55:16
ever
55:16
heard
55:17
that
55:17
made
55:17
me
55:17
realize
55:18
there
55:18
was
55:18
more
55:20
to
55:20
music
55:20
than
55:21
just
55:21
entertainment
55:24
was
55:24
the
55:24
Public
55:25
Enemy
55:25
Anthrax
55:26
crossover
55:27
Bring
55:27
the
55:27
Noise.
55:28
When
55:28
I
55:29
heard
55:29
that
55:29
song,
55:29
I
55:29
was.
55:30
It
55:30
was
55:31
like
55:31
somebody
55:31
kicked
55:32
me
55:32
in
55:32
the
55:32
brain
55:34
and
55:34
it
55:35
was
55:35
like,
55:35
holy
55:36
hell.
55:38
Like,
55:39
I've
55:39
listened
55:39
to
55:39
music
55:40
before
55:40
this
55:40
and
55:40
I've
55:40
liked
55:41
it
55:41
or
55:41
I
55:41
didn't
55:41
like
55:41
it.
55:42
This
55:43
is
55:43
the
55:43
first
55:43
song
55:43
I
55:44
ever
55:44
heard
55:45
that
55:45
made
55:45
me
55:46
feel
55:46
something
55:46
in
55:47
my
55:47
soul.
55:49
Wow.
55:50
Through
55:50
that,
55:51
then
55:51
I
55:51
found
55:51
punk.
55:52
And
55:52
so
55:53
I
55:54
think
55:54
the
55:54
first
55:55
punk
55:57
album
55:57
I
55:57
ever
55:58
bought
55:58
was
55:58
Group
55:59
Sex
55:59
by
56:00
Circle
56:00
Jerks.
56:02
Good
56:02
choice.
56:03
And
56:03
then
56:03
from
56:03
there
56:04
it
56:04
was.
56:05
This
56:05
would
56:05
have
56:05
been.
56:05
This
56:05
would
56:06
have
56:06
been
56:06
out
56:06
of
56:06
the
56:06
oldies
56:06
bin
56:07
at
56:07
that
56:07
point,
56:07
though.
56:08
That
56:08
was
56:08
not
56:08
a
56:08
new
56:08
release.
56:09
No,
56:10
no.
56:11
And,
56:11
you
56:12
know,
56:12
and
56:12
then
56:12
from
56:12
there
56:13
it
56:13
was
56:13
a.
56:13
Did
56:13
you
56:14
catch
56:14
Anthrax
56:15
on
56:15
tour
56:15
in
56:15
those
56:16
days?
56:17
Not
56:18
in
56:18
those
56:18
days,
56:19
but
56:19
I've
56:19
caught
56:20
them
56:20
many
56:20
times
56:21
since.
56:22
Yeah.
56:22
Scott.
56:23
Ian's
56:23
quite
56:24
a
56:24
guy.
56:24
Yeah.
56:25
And
56:25
so
56:25
is
56:25
Charlie.
56:26
Okay,
56:27
Charlie
56:27
Benante,
56:28
the
56:28
drummer,
56:29
but
56:29
from
56:29
Circle
56:30
Jerks,
56:30
it
56:30
was
56:30
a
56:30
very
56:31
quick
56:31
jump
56:32
to
56:33
Seven
56:33
Seconds.
56:35
And
56:35
from
56:35
Seven
56:36
Seconds,
56:36
it
56:36
was
56:36
a
56:37
very
56:37
quick
56:37
jump
56:38
to
56:40
early
56:40
Discord
56:40
records,
56:41
like
56:41
Minor
56:41
Threats,
56:42
State
56:42
of
56:42
Alert,
56:42
Government
56:43
Issue,
56:44
that
56:45
stuff,
56:47
you
56:47
know.
56:47
And
56:47
so
56:47
that
56:48
was
56:50
my
56:50
foundational,
56:54
you
56:54
know,
56:55
whatever.
56:56
And
56:56
then
56:56
getting
56:56
into
56:57
the
56:57
DC
56:59
punk
56:59
and
56:59
hardcore
57:00
scene.
57:01
And
57:01
so
57:01
the
57:01
first
57:02
show
57:02
I
57:03
ever
57:03
went
57:03
to
57:03
where
57:04
I
57:04
felt
57:06
a
57:06
connection.
57:08
So
57:08
in
57:09
D.C.
57:09
there's
57:09
a
57:10
park
57:10
and
57:10
it's
57:10
called
57:10
Fort
57:11
Reno.
57:12
And
57:12
Fort
57:12
Reno
57:13
put
57:13
on
57:13
free
57:14
concerts
57:14
a
57:15
couple
57:15
times
57:15
a
57:15
week
57:16
every
57:16
summer.
57:17
And
57:18
you
57:18
could
57:18
go
57:18
and
57:18
see
57:19
a
57:19
classical
57:20
orchestra
57:21
play.
57:21
You
57:21
could
57:21
go
57:22
and
57:22
see
57:22
jazz
57:22
play,
57:23
whatever.
57:24
Minor
57:24
Threat.
57:25
And
57:25
not
57:25
Minor
57:25
Threat,
57:26
the
57:26
Fugazi
57:26
would
57:27
usually
57:27
play
57:27
once
57:27
a
57:28
year,
57:28
you
57:29
know,
57:29
this
57:29
massive
57:29
free
57:30
show
57:30
there.
57:31
But
57:31
when
57:31
I
57:31
was
57:33
maybe
57:34
16,
57:35
there
57:36
was
57:36
a
57:36
hardcore
57:36
show
57:37
there.
57:38
And
57:38
up
57:38
until
57:38
that
57:39
point
57:39
in
57:39
time,
57:39
like,
57:39
I
57:40
listened,
57:40
and
57:40
I
57:40
still
57:40
listen
57:41
to
57:41
everything.
57:41
Like,
57:41
I
57:42
was
57:42
listening
57:42
to
57:42
metal,
57:42
I
57:43
was
57:43
listening
57:43
to
57:43
industrial,
57:45
goth,
57:45
punk,
57:46
hardcore,
57:46
you
57:47
know,
57:47
everything
57:47
under
57:48
that
57:48
greater
57:49
umbrella,
57:50
alternative
57:51
and
57:52
grunge
57:53
and,
57:53
you
57:53
know,
57:53
everything
57:53
under
57:54
that
57:54
greater
57:54
umbrella.
57:56
And
57:56
There
57:56
were
57:56
three
57:56
D.C.
57:57
bands
57:57
playing.
57:58
There's
57:58
a
57:58
band
57:59
called
57:59
Darkest
57:59
Hour,
58:01
and
58:01
they
58:01
opened.
58:02
It
58:02
was
58:02
a
58:03
band
58:03
called
58:03
Battery,
58:06
and
58:06
then
58:06
a
58:06
band
58:07
called
58:07
Damnation
58:08
Ad
58:10
and
58:10
Darkest
58:10
Hour
58:10
played
58:11
and
58:11
I
58:11
was
58:11
like,
58:12
cool,
58:12
I
58:12
like
58:12
them.
58:13
I'm
58:13
into
58:13
it.
58:13
Dig
58:14
it.
58:15
And
58:15
then
58:15
Battery
58:16
played
58:18
and
58:18
again,
58:18
something
58:19
in
58:19
my
58:19
soul
58:19
started
58:20
to
58:20
move.
58:22
And
58:22
they
58:22
ended
58:22
their
58:23
set
58:23
with
58:24
We're
58:25
Gonna
58:25
Fight
58:25
by
58:25
seven
58:26
Seconds,
58:27
which,
58:28
you.
58:28
Know,.
58:30
I
58:31
can
58:31
never
58:31
say
58:31
enough
58:32
positive
58:32
things
58:32
about
58:33
7
58:33
seconds
58:33
and
58:34
what
58:34
their
58:34
music
58:35
has
58:35
done
58:36
for
58:36
me.
58:37
And
58:37
then
58:37
Darkest
58:37
Hour
58:38
played
58:39
and
58:40
they
58:40
play
58:40
this
58:40
song
58:41
called
58:42
and
58:42
Darkest
58:42
Hours
58:43
More.
58:47
Definitely
58:48
has
58:48
more
58:48
metal
58:49
influences
58:49
in
58:49
their
58:50
hardcore.
58:52
Probably
58:52
one
58:52
of,
58:52
like,
58:53
the
58:53
early
58:53
precursors,
58:54
to
58:54
quote
58:54
unquote,
58:55
metalcore.
58:56
They
58:56
had
58:56
this
58:57
song
58:57
called
58:57
no,
58:57
no
58:57
More
58:58
Dreams
58:58
of
58:58
Happy
58:58
Endings.
59:00
And,
59:01
like,
59:01
by
59:01
the
59:01
end
59:02
of
59:02
that
59:02
song,
59:02
I
59:02
was
59:02
like,
59:03
this
59:04
is
59:04
what
59:04
I
59:04
am.
59:05
Like,
59:05
I
59:05
finally,
59:07
like,
59:07
found
59:08
my
59:08
home,
59:10
you
59:10
know.
59:10
So
59:10
from
59:11
then
59:11
on,
59:11
I
59:11
was
59:11
like,
59:11
you
59:12
know,
59:13
a
59:13
hardcore
59:13
kid,
59:14
you
59:14
know,
59:14
cut
59:14
off
59:14
camo
59:15
shorts,
59:16
band
59:16
T
59:17
shirt,
59:18
still,
59:18
you
59:18
know,
59:18
30
59:19
years
59:19
later
59:19
is
59:19
still
59:20
my
59:20
go
59:20
to
59:20
thing.
59:21
And,
59:21
you
59:21
know,
59:22
if
59:22
you
59:22
like
59:22
aggressive
59:23
music,
59:23
it
59:23
sticks
59:24
with
59:24
you
59:24
for
59:24
life.
59:25
Yeah,
59:25
it
59:25
really
59:26
does.
59:26
From
59:27
then
59:27
I
59:27
started
59:27
finding
59:28
more,
59:29
like,
59:29
political
59:29
stuff.
59:30
I
59:30
went
59:30
to
59:31
see
59:31
who
59:32
was
59:32
playing.
59:32
I
59:32
think
59:33
A
59:33
Veil
59:33
was
59:33
playing
59:33
in
59:33
D.C.
59:35
but
59:35
a
59:35
band
59:35
called
59:35
Boy
59:36
Sets
59:36
Fire
59:36
was
59:36
opening
59:37
for
59:37
them.
59:38
A
59:38
Boy
59:38
Sets
59:39
Fire.
59:40
First
59:40
time
59:41
I'd
59:41
seen
59:41
him.
59:41
First
59:41
time
59:41
I
59:42
heard
59:42
them.
59:43
Their
59:43
singer,
59:44
Natasha
59:46
was
59:46
so
59:48
emotional
59:50
and
59:51
open
59:52
and
59:53
vulnerable
59:54
with
59:54
their
59:54
stage
59:55
presence
59:56
and
59:57
performance.
59:58
And
59:58
that
59:59
was
59:59
sort
59:59
of
59:59
like
59:59
the
59:59
next
1:00:01
kick
1:00:01
to
1:00:02
me
1:00:02
from,
1:00:02
like,
1:00:03
okay,
1:00:04
like,
1:00:05
I
1:00:05
love
1:00:05
this.
1:00:06
I
1:00:06
love
1:00:07
this.
1:00:10
But
1:00:10
now
1:00:10
they're
1:00:11
like,
1:00:12
like,
1:00:12
I
1:00:12
really
1:00:13
like
1:00:13
this.
1:00:14
Yeah.
1:00:15
So
1:00:15
anyways,
1:00:15
I
1:00:15
hope
1:00:16
that
1:00:16
answered.
1:00:16
Yes.
1:00:17
Natasha
1:00:18
now
1:00:18
has
1:00:18
a
1:00:18
band
1:00:18
called
1:00:18
the
1:00:18
Iron
1:00:19
Roses.
1:00:20
So
1:00:20
if
1:00:20
you
1:00:20
haven't
1:00:21
heard
1:00:21
the
1:00:21
Iron
1:00:21
Roses
1:00:22
or
1:00:22
Voices
1:00:23
Fire,
1:00:23
I
1:00:23
recommend
1:00:23
both
1:00:24
of
1:00:24
them.
1:00:26
Sounds
1:00:26
good.
1:00:27
Yeah.
1:00:28
So
1:00:29
what's
1:00:29
next?
1:00:29
I
1:00:30
mean,
1:00:30
we've
1:00:30
been
1:00:30
talking
1:00:30
a
1:00:30
while,
1:00:31
so
1:00:31
I
1:00:31
want
1:00:31
to
1:00:31
be
1:00:31
respectful
1:00:32
of
1:00:32
your
1:00:32
time.
1:00:32
Okay,
1:00:33
let's
1:00:33
start
1:00:33
wrapping
1:00:33
this
1:00:33
up.
1:00:34
What
1:00:34
gives
1:00:34
you
1:00:34
hope?
1:00:36
What
1:00:36
gives
1:00:36
me
1:00:36
hope?
1:00:37
Oh,
1:00:37
well,
1:00:39
my
1:00:39
kids
1:00:40
and
1:00:40
my
1:00:41
children
1:00:41
are
1:00:41
adults
1:00:42
now
1:00:42
and
1:00:45
into
1:00:46
their
1:00:46
lives
1:00:47
and
1:00:47
into
1:00:47
their
1:00:47
careers.
1:00:48
And
1:00:50
not
1:00:51
only
1:00:51
was
1:00:51
that
1:00:51
the
1:00:51
best
1:00:52
project
1:00:52
of
1:00:52
my
1:00:52
entire
1:00:53
life,
1:00:53
but
1:00:53
they
1:00:53
give
1:00:54
me
1:00:54
new
1:00:54
hope
1:00:54
on
1:00:55
a
1:00:55
daily
1:00:55
basis.
1:00:58
And,
1:01:00
yeah,
1:01:00
they're
1:01:00
proper
1:01:01
leftists
1:01:01
like
1:01:02
their
1:01:02
father.
1:01:03
Nice.
1:01:05
All
1:01:05
right.
1:01:06
But
1:01:06
they
1:01:07
radicalized
1:01:07
me.
1:01:09
Yeah,
1:01:10
kids
1:01:10
have
1:01:10
a
1:01:11
way
1:01:11
of
1:01:11
doing
1:01:11
that.
1:01:12
That
1:01:12
is
1:01:12
the
1:01:12
truth.
1:01:12
I
1:01:13
thought.
1:01:13
I
1:01:13
thought
1:01:13
I
1:01:13
was.
1:01:14
Well,
1:01:14
I
1:01:15
guess
1:01:15
I
1:01:15
was
1:01:15
a
1:01:15
liberal.
1:01:16
They
1:01:16
made
1:01:16
me
1:01:16
a
1:01:16
leftist.
1:01:19
Also.
1:01:19
I'm
1:01:20
involved
1:01:20
in
1:01:20
gardening,
1:01:21
and
1:01:21
gardening
1:01:22
is
1:01:22
a
1:01:22
pursuit
1:01:22
that
1:01:23
where
1:01:23
you
1:01:23
get
1:01:23
to
1:01:24
experience
1:01:24
daily
1:01:25
the
1:01:25
renewal
1:01:26
of
1:01:26
life
1:01:27
and
1:01:27
the
1:01:28
fact
1:01:28
that
1:01:28
life
1:01:28
exists
1:01:29
beyond
1:01:29
just
1:01:29
the
1:01:30
human
1:01:30
realm.
1:01:33
So
1:01:34
that,
1:01:34
I
1:01:34
guess,
1:01:35
keeps
1:01:35
me
1:01:35
grounded.
1:01:36
Cool.
1:01:37
Okay.
1:01:38
What
1:01:38
are
1:01:38
you
1:01:38
listening
1:01:39
to
1:01:39
what
1:01:40
am
1:01:40
I
1:01:40
listening
1:01:40
to?
1:01:40
I'm
1:01:40
listening
1:01:41
to
1:01:41
you,
1:01:41
Beau.
1:01:42
You're
1:01:42
talking
1:01:42
to
1:01:42
me
1:01:42
on
1:01:43
my
1:01:43
headphones.
1:01:45
Hold
1:01:45
on,
1:01:46
let
1:01:46
me.
1:01:46
Let
1:01:46
me
1:01:47
go
1:01:47
get
1:01:47
some
1:01:47
visual
1:01:48
aid
1:01:48
so
1:01:48
I
1:01:48
don't.
1:01:48
Please,
1:01:49
please,
1:01:49
just
1:01:49
so
1:01:49
I
1:01:50
don't
1:01:50
misannounce
1:01:50
this.
1:01:51
It's
1:01:51
all
1:01:51
on
1:01:51
the
1:01:51
turntable.
1:01:52
Nice.
1:01:53
Hold
1:01:54
on.
1:01:54
Yep.
1:01:55
Yeah,
1:01:55
we're
1:01:55
here.
1:01:57
I'm
1:01:57
walking
1:01:58
over
1:01:58
here
1:01:58
right
1:01:59
now
1:01:59
scooping
1:01:59
up
1:02:00
records.
1:02:00
Now
1:02:01
I
1:02:01
think
1:02:01
this
1:02:01
will
1:02:01
prove
1:02:01
indicative
1:02:02
of
1:02:02
what
1:02:02
I'm
1:02:02
into.
1:02:03
Okay.
1:02:03
And
1:02:03
also
1:02:04
where
1:02:04
I
1:02:04
am
1:02:04
in
1:02:04
life.
1:02:05
Gotcha.
1:02:05
Okay.
1:02:06
Now
1:02:06
when
1:02:07
you're
1:02:07
at
1:02:07
my
1:02:07
stage
1:02:08
of
1:02:08
life,
1:02:10
your
1:02:10
friends
1:02:10
start
1:02:11
dropping
1:02:11
by
1:02:12
the
1:02:12
wayside.
1:02:13
Yes.
1:02:13
And
1:02:13
this
1:02:14
is
1:02:14
a
1:02:14
story
1:02:14
that
1:02:14
just
1:02:14
keeps
1:02:15
repeating.
1:02:15
Your
1:02:16
friends
1:02:16
who
1:02:17
took
1:02:17
care
1:02:17
of
1:02:17
themselves
1:02:18
and
1:02:18
your
1:02:18
friends
1:02:18
who
1:02:18
didn't
1:02:19
take
1:02:19
so
1:02:19
much
1:02:19
care.
1:02:20
And
1:02:20
they
1:02:20
start
1:02:20
dropping
1:02:21
by
1:02:21
the
1:02:21
wayside.
1:02:21
And
1:02:22
we
1:02:22
keep
1:02:22
telling
1:02:22
this
1:02:23
story
1:02:24
until
1:02:24
there's
1:02:25
no
1:02:25
one
1:02:25
left
1:02:25
to
1:02:25
tell
1:02:25
this
1:02:26
story.
1:02:26
That's
1:02:27
where
1:02:27
I
1:02:27
am
1:02:27
right
1:02:27
now.
1:02:27
But
1:02:28
anyhow.
1:02:28
Yesterday
1:02:29
I
1:02:29
got
1:02:29
a
1:02:29
record
1:02:30
from
1:02:30
the
1:02:31
Breaks.
1:02:31
Robert
1:02:32
Walter,
1:02:32
Eddie
1:02:33
Robertson,
1:02:33
Stanton
1:02:34
Moore.
1:02:34
This
1:02:34
is
1:02:35
New
1:02:35
Orleans
1:02:36
funk
1:02:36
Boogaloo
1:02:37
instrumental.
1:02:38
This
1:02:38
is
1:02:39
the
1:02:39
bomb.
1:02:39
If
1:02:39
you
1:02:39
like
1:02:40
stuff
1:02:40
like
1:02:40
the
1:02:40
Meters.
1:02:42
Stanton
1:02:43
Moore
1:02:43
is
1:02:45
an
1:02:45
entrepreneur
1:02:46
and
1:02:46
drummer
1:02:47
who
1:02:47
is
1:02:47
a
1:02:48
co
1:02:48
owner
1:02:48
of
1:02:48
Tipitinas
1:02:49
and
1:02:50
is
1:02:50
also
1:02:50
very
1:02:50
busy
1:02:51
playing
1:02:51
drums.
1:02:51
So
1:02:52
not
1:02:53
too
1:02:53
bad.
1:02:55
My
1:02:55
friend
1:02:55
Malcolm
1:02:56
in
1:02:56
Portland
1:02:57
just
1:02:57
died.
1:02:57
He
1:02:58
was
1:02:58
the
1:02:58
co
1:02:58
founder
1:02:59
of
1:02:59
Fatal
1:02:59
Erection
1:02:59
Records
1:03:00
along
1:03:00
with
1:03:00
Poison
1:03:01
Ideas,
1:03:01
Pig
1:03:02
Champion.
1:03:02
And
1:03:02
so
1:03:02
I've
1:03:03
been
1:03:03
listening
1:03:03
to
1:03:04
some
1:03:04
Fatal
1:03:04
Erection
1:03:05
releases
1:03:05
like
1:03:05
the
1:03:05
Imperialist
1:03:06
Pigs,
1:03:08
Darby
1:03:08
Crash
1:03:09
Rides
1:03:09
Again.
1:03:09
These
1:03:10
are
1:03:10
other
1:03:10
Poison
1:03:10
Ideas
1:03:11
things.
1:03:12
Poison
1:03:12
Idea
1:03:13
record
1:03:13
collectors
1:03:14
are
1:03:14
potential.
1:03:14
That's
1:03:15
a
1:03:15
great
1:03:15
album.
1:03:15
The
1:03:15
reissue
1:03:16
of
1:03:16
the
1:03:16
Pick
1:03:17
your
1:03:17
King
1:03:17
ep.
1:03:18
I
1:03:18
have
1:03:18
two
1:03:19
copies
1:03:19
of
1:03:19
this
1:03:19
on
1:03:20
the
1:03:20
original
1:03:21
issue
1:03:21
on
1:03:21
Clear
1:03:22
Vinyl.
1:03:22
Friends.
1:03:23
Oh
1:03:23
wow.
1:03:24
That
1:03:24
you
1:03:24
bought?
1:03:25
I
1:03:25
bought
1:03:25
for
1:03:25
you
1:03:25
know,
1:03:26
$2
1:03:26
back
1:03:27
in
1:03:27
the
1:03:27
day
1:03:27
and
1:03:27
is
1:03:27
now
1:03:27
in
1:03:28
a
1:03:28
safe
1:03:28
deposit
1:03:29
box
1:03:29
somewhere
1:03:31
along
1:03:31
with
1:03:32
my
1:03:32
Negative
1:03:32
Approach
1:03:33
single
1:03:33
and
1:03:34
a
1:03:34
couple
1:03:34
of
1:03:34
other
1:03:35
records.
1:03:35
Aretha
1:03:36
Franklin,
1:03:37
Lady
1:03:37
Soul,
1:03:38
Super
1:03:39
Soul,
1:03:39
Richard
1:03:40
Groove
1:03:41
Holmes.
1:03:41
Okay.
1:03:42
I
1:03:42
think
1:03:42
the
1:03:43
Beastie
1:03:43
Boys
1:03:43
sampled
1:03:44
this
1:03:44
guy.
1:03:44
Yeah,
1:03:45
it's
1:03:45
a
1:03:45
great
1:03:45
organ
1:03:46
based
1:03:46
record.
1:03:47
Claudine
1:03:48
Lange
1:03:49
died
1:03:49
recently.
1:03:50
She
1:03:50
was
1:03:50
a
1:03:50
French
1:03:51
pop
1:03:51
in
1:03:53
who
1:03:53
murdered
1:03:53
her
1:03:54
boyfriend
1:03:54
and
1:03:54
got
1:03:55
away
1:03:55
with
1:03:55
it.
1:03:56
All
1:03:56
right?
1:03:56
And
1:03:56
this
1:03:57
was
1:03:57
huge
1:03:57
News
1:03:58
in
1:03:58
the
1:03:58
1970s.
1:03:59
Andy
1:03:59
Williams.
1:04:00
And
1:04:01
she
1:04:02
murdered
1:04:02
her
1:04:03
skier
1:04:03
boyfriend
1:04:04
whose
1:04:04
name
1:04:04
was
1:04:04
Spider
1:04:05
Savage.
1:04:07
Spider
1:04:07
Savage,
1:04:07
it's
1:04:08
a
1:04:08
name
1:04:08
like
1:04:08
Evel
1:04:08
Knievel.
1:04:09
You
1:04:09
know,
1:04:09
you
1:04:10
just
1:04:10
remember
1:04:10
that
1:04:10
she
1:04:10
murdered
1:04:11
that
1:04:11
guy
1:04:11
and
1:04:12
got
1:04:12
away
1:04:12
with
1:04:12
it.
1:04:13
And
1:04:13
now
1:04:13
she's
1:04:14
gone
1:04:14
too.
1:04:14
But
1:04:14
her
1:04:14
records
1:04:15
are
1:04:15
something
1:04:15
else.
1:04:15
She
1:04:16
was
1:04:16
kind
1:04:16
of
1:04:16
like
1:04:16
the
1:04:16
French
1:04:18
Austri
1:04:18
Gilberto.
1:04:19
She's
1:04:19
of
1:04:20
the
1:04:20
breathy
1:04:21
pop
1:04:21
Chantoo
1:04:22
sort
1:04:22
of.
1:04:24
Oh,
1:04:24
Herbie
1:04:25
Mann.
1:04:25
Standing
1:04:26
ovation
1:04:26
at
1:04:26
Newport.
1:04:27
Oh,
1:04:27
yes,
1:04:28
friend.
1:04:28
If
1:04:28
you
1:04:28
like
1:04:29
good
1:04:29
jazz
1:04:29
funk.
1:04:29
There's
1:04:30
another
1:04:30
guy
1:04:30
who
1:04:30
got
1:04:30
sampled
1:04:31
by
1:04:31
the
1:04:31
Beastie
1:04:31
Boys
1:04:32
and
1:04:32
Sublime
1:04:34
and
1:04:34
many
1:04:34
others.
1:04:37
That's
1:04:37
the
1:04:37
kind
1:04:37
of.
1:04:38
I
1:04:38
listen
1:04:38
to
1:04:38
a
1:04:39
lot
1:04:39
of.
1:04:39
There's
1:04:39
also
1:04:40
this
1:04:40
Poison
1:04:40
idea
1:04:41
last
1:04:41
Live
1:04:42
in
1:04:42
France
1:04:42
that
1:04:43
I
1:04:43
thought
1:04:43
was
1:04:43
in
1:04:43
that
1:04:44
stack.
1:04:44
But
1:04:45
anyway.
1:04:46
Cool.
1:04:46
We
1:04:47
do
1:04:47
play
1:04:47
a
1:04:47
lot
1:04:47
of
1:04:47
PI
1:04:48
around
1:04:48
here.
1:04:48
We're
1:04:49
not
1:04:49
just
1:04:49
on
1:04:49
their
1:04:49
label.
1:04:51
Lifetime
1:04:51
fans.
1:04:52
Yeah.
1:04:52
God.
1:04:53
Great
1:04:53
band.
1:04:54
Oh,
1:04:54
my
1:04:54
God.
1:04:55
On
1:04:55
the
1:04:55
road
1:04:55
with
1:04:55
the
1:04:56
Hard
1:04:56
Ons,
1:04:56
playing
1:04:57
festivals
1:04:57
in
1:04:57
Europe.
1:04:58
Okay,
1:05:00
this
1:05:00
is
1:05:00
something
1:05:00
I've
1:05:01
talked
1:05:01
to
1:05:01
you
1:05:01
about
1:05:01
a
1:05:02
couple
1:05:02
times,
1:05:02
but
1:05:04
I
1:05:04
have
1:05:04
a
1:05:04
close
1:05:04
friend
1:05:05
in
1:05:05
Seattle,
1:05:06
and
1:05:06
you
1:05:06
all
1:05:06
know
1:05:07
a
1:05:07
lot
1:05:07
of
1:05:07
the
1:05:08
same
1:05:08
people.
1:05:09
I
1:05:09
just
1:05:09
can't
1:05:09
believe
1:05:10
you
1:05:10
don't
1:05:10
know
1:05:10
each
1:05:10
other,
1:05:11
but
1:05:11
his
1:05:11
name's
1:05:12
Andy
1:05:12
Caro,
1:05:14
and
1:05:14
he
1:05:14
was
1:05:15
in
1:05:15
an
1:05:15
early
1:05:15
Seattle
1:05:16
band
1:05:16
called
1:05:16
March
1:05:17
of
1:05:17
Crimes.
1:05:19
I
1:05:19
mean,
1:05:20
he
1:05:20
toured
1:05:20
with
1:05:21
Poison
1:05:21
Idea.
1:05:22
He
1:05:22
toured
1:05:22
with.
1:05:24
With
1:05:25
the.
1:05:28
I
1:05:28
can't
1:05:28
think
1:05:28
of
1:05:29
their
1:05:29
names.
1:05:32
The.
1:05:34
I
1:05:34
don't
1:05:34
know.
1:05:35
I
1:05:35
can't
1:05:35
think
1:05:35
of
1:05:35
their
1:05:35
names.
1:05:36
Regardless,
1:05:37
like,
1:05:37
y'
1:05:37
all
1:05:37
ran
1:05:38
in
1:05:38
very
1:05:38
similar
1:05:38
circles.
1:05:39
And
1:05:39
it
1:05:40
was
1:05:40
a
1:05:40
small
1:05:40
scene
1:05:41
back
1:05:41
in
1:05:41
those
1:05:41
days
1:05:42
and
1:05:42
a
1:05:42
lot
1:05:42
of
1:05:43
connection
1:05:43
between
1:05:44
Portland,
1:05:44
seattle.
1:05:45
I
1:05:45
got
1:05:45
tf
1:05:46
out
1:05:46
of
1:05:47
the
1:05:47
northwest
1:05:48
by
1:05:48
1980.
1:05:49
Yeah.
1:05:50
6.
1:05:51
1987.
1:05:51
I
1:05:52
was
1:05:52
just
1:05:52
like.
1:05:53
Had
1:05:53
to
1:05:54
leave.
1:05:54
It
1:05:55
was
1:05:55
one
1:05:55
of
1:05:55
these
1:05:55
classic
1:05:56
things.
1:05:56
My
1:05:56
dad,
1:05:57
Big
1:05:57
Spender,
1:05:58
took
1:05:58
me
1:05:58
to
1:05:58
the
1:05:58
hot
1:05:58
dog
1:05:59
stand
1:05:59
for
1:05:59
lunch.
1:06:00
He's
1:06:01
like,
1:06:01
son,
1:06:01
I
1:06:01
don't
1:06:01
know
1:06:01
what
1:06:02
you
1:06:02
want
1:06:02
to
1:06:02
do,
1:06:02
but
1:06:04
we
1:06:04
can
1:06:04
both
1:06:04
see
1:06:05
nothing
1:06:05
is
1:06:05
happening
1:06:05
in
1:06:06
Seattle,
1:06:07
Washington.
1:06:07
I
1:06:07
was
1:06:07
like,
1:06:07
oh,
1:06:08
yeah,
1:06:08
dad,
1:06:08
Seattle's
1:06:09
dead.
1:06:09
There's
1:06:09
no
1:06:09
music
1:06:09
scene
1:06:10
whatsoever
1:06:10
here
1:06:10
in
1:06:11
Seattle.
1:06:11
And
1:06:11
not
1:06:12
much
1:06:12
of
1:06:12
a
1:06:12
tech
1:06:12
scene
1:06:13
either.
1:06:13
Yeah,
1:06:14
okay.
1:06:15
Now,
1:06:15
had
1:06:15
I
1:06:15
stuck
1:06:16
around
1:06:16
Seattle
1:06:16
another
1:06:18
year
1:06:18
or
1:06:18
two,
1:06:18
we
1:06:19
probably
1:06:19
would
1:06:19
have
1:06:19
been
1:06:19
signed,
1:06:20
strung
1:06:21
out,
1:06:22
dropped,
1:06:24
you
1:06:24
know,
1:06:24
all
1:06:25
these
1:06:25
things
1:06:25
that
1:06:26
could
1:06:26
have
1:06:26
happened.
1:06:27
Instead,
1:06:27
I
1:06:27
packed
1:06:28
it
1:06:28
up
1:06:28
and
1:06:28
went
1:06:28
to
1:06:28
San
1:06:28
Francisco
1:06:29
and
1:06:29
got
1:06:29
in
1:06:29
the
1:06:29
tech
1:06:29
business
1:06:30
down
1:06:30
there,
1:06:31
which,
1:06:32
you
1:06:32
know,
1:06:32
it
1:06:32
was
1:06:33
a
1:06:33
much
1:06:33
larger
1:06:34
market.
1:06:34
Impossible
1:06:35
to
1:06:35
distinguish
1:06:36
oneself
1:06:36
in
1:06:37
that.
1:06:37
And
1:06:37
down
1:06:38
there,
1:06:39
well,
1:06:39
there
1:06:40
was
1:06:40
a
1:06:40
million
1:06:40
different
1:06:40
scenes
1:06:41
happening.
1:06:41
Okay.
1:06:42
We
1:06:42
were
1:06:42
not
1:06:42
involved
1:06:43
in
1:06:43
the
1:06:43
grunge
1:06:44
scene
1:06:45
in
1:06:45
those
1:06:45
days.
1:06:46
What
1:06:46
was
1:06:46
happening
1:06:46
was
1:06:47
Gilman
1:06:47
street
1:06:47
was
1:06:47
right
1:06:48
down
1:06:48
the
1:06:48
road
1:06:48
from
1:06:48
where
1:06:49
I
1:06:49
worked.
1:06:50
But
1:06:50
they
1:06:50
didn't
1:06:51
have
1:06:51
booze,
1:06:52
okay?
1:06:53
So
1:06:53
I
1:06:53
was
1:06:53
in
1:06:53
the,
1:06:53
like,
1:06:53
lounge
1:06:54
corps.
1:06:54
I
1:06:55
played
1:06:55
in
1:06:55
lounge
1:06:56
bands
1:06:56
that
1:06:56
were
1:06:57
playing
1:06:57
like
1:06:57
Billie
1:06:57
Holiday
1:06:58
and
1:06:58
Patsy
1:06:59
Klein
1:07:00
and
1:07:00
Brenda
1:07:01
Lee
1:07:01
and
1:07:01
Peggy
1:07:02
Lee
1:07:02
and
1:07:03
other
1:07:03
kind
1:07:03
of
1:07:04
know,
1:07:05
torch
1:07:05
music,
1:07:06
lounge
1:07:06
core.
1:07:07
Gotcha.
1:07:08
That's
1:07:08
what
1:07:08
we
1:07:08
thought
1:07:08
was
1:07:08
going
1:07:09
to
1:07:09
happen
1:07:09
next.
1:07:10
Cool.
1:07:11
Okay,
1:07:11
next
1:07:12
question.
1:07:12
All
1:07:12
right.
1:07:14
Similar
1:07:14
to
1:07:14
the
1:07:14
first
1:07:15
or
1:07:15
the
1:07:15
last
1:07:16
one,
1:07:16
but
1:07:16
a
1:07:16
little
1:07:17
different.
1:07:17
What
1:07:18
do
1:07:18
you
1:07:19
think
1:07:19
people
1:07:19
should
1:07:19
be
1:07:19
listening
1:07:20
to
1:07:22
what?
1:07:22
I
1:07:22
think
1:07:22
people
1:07:23
should
1:07:23
be
1:07:23
listening
1:07:23
to
1:07:24
Abusements.
1:07:25
I
1:07:26
think
1:07:26
they'd
1:07:26
learn
1:07:26
a
1:07:26
lot
1:07:26
if
1:07:27
they
1:07:27
listen
1:07:27
to
1:07:27
my
1:07:27
band
1:07:27
and
1:07:28
yours.
1:07:29
Thank
1:07:29
you.
1:07:30
I
1:07:30
appreciate
1:07:30
that.
1:07:31
We
1:07:31
can
1:07:31
stop
1:07:32
right
1:07:32
there.
1:07:32
I
1:07:32
wouldn't
1:07:32
be
1:07:33
doing
1:07:33
this
1:07:33
if
1:07:33
I
1:07:33
thought
1:07:33
they
1:07:34
should
1:07:34
ignore
1:07:34
it.
1:07:34
I
1:07:34
think
1:07:35
a
1:07:35
lot
1:07:35
of
1:07:35
people
1:07:35
should
1:07:35
listen
1:07:36
to
1:07:36
both
1:07:36
of
1:07:36
our
1:07:36
bands
1:07:37
right
1:07:37
now.
1:07:37
And
1:07:38
you
1:07:38
will
1:07:38
thank
1:07:38
us
1:07:38
for
1:07:39
it
1:07:39
later.
1:07:40
Well,
1:07:40
I'm
1:07:41
thanking
1:07:41
you
1:07:41
for
1:07:41
that
1:07:41
now.
1:07:41
Thank
1:07:42
you.
1:07:42
Okay,
1:07:43
cool.
1:07:43
Last
1:07:44
thing.
1:07:44
And
1:07:44
I
1:07:44
want
1:07:45
to
1:07:45
apologize.
1:07:45
When
1:07:45
I
1:07:45
first
1:07:46
introduced
1:07:46
you,
1:07:46
I
1:07:47
introduced
1:07:47
it
1:07:47
as
1:07:48
the
1:07:48
Abusements
1:07:48
is
1:07:49
not.
1:07:49
There's
1:07:49
no
1:07:49
the.
1:07:50
Oh,
1:07:51
but
1:07:51
that's.
1:07:51
That's
1:07:51
just
1:07:52
conversational.
1:07:52
I
1:07:53
know,
1:07:53
but
1:07:53
that's.
1:07:54
Yeah.
1:07:54
No,
1:07:54
we
1:07:55
fight
1:07:55
that
1:07:55
battle
1:07:56
every
1:07:56
time
1:07:56
we
1:07:56
make
1:07:56
a
1:07:56
poster
1:07:57
with
1:07:57
somebody
1:07:57
else
1:07:57
and
1:07:58
we
1:07:58
have
1:07:58
to
1:07:58
ask
1:07:58
them
1:07:58
to
1:07:58
take
1:07:58
the
1:07:59
off
1:07:59
of
1:07:59
it,
1:07:59
but
1:08:00
it's
1:08:01
not
1:08:01
to
1:08:01
worry.
1:08:01
And
1:08:01
that's
1:08:02
how
1:08:02
people
1:08:02
refer
1:08:02
to
1:08:03
groups.
1:08:03
Okay.
1:08:04
Yeah.
1:08:04
Ramones
1:08:05
always
1:08:05
appears
1:08:06
on
1:08:06
the
1:08:06
album
1:08:06
cover
1:08:06
as
1:08:07
Ramones,
1:08:07
but
1:08:07
it's
1:08:08
the
1:08:08
Ramones.
1:08:08
Right,
1:08:09
Cool.
1:08:10
So
1:08:10
speaking
1:08:10
of
1:08:10
abusements,
1:08:11
where
1:08:11
can
1:08:12
people
1:08:12
find
1:08:13
your
1:08:13
music?
1:08:14
Abusements.com
1:08:16
is
1:08:16
a
1:08:16
URL
1:08:17
that
1:08:17
we
1:08:17
own.
1:08:18
And
1:08:19
that's,
1:08:19
you
1:08:19
know,
1:08:20
we
1:08:20
don't
1:08:20
have
1:08:20
an
1:08:20
EPK.
1:08:21
We've
1:08:21
got
1:08:21
a
1:08:21
website
1:08:22
that's
1:08:23
charmingly
1:08:23
hand
1:08:24
coded
1:08:24
HTML.
1:08:25
I
1:08:25
did
1:08:25
it
1:08:25
myself,
1:08:26
Mom.
1:08:27
Come
1:08:27
see
1:08:27
us.
1:08:27
Abusements.com
1:08:29
or
1:08:30
if
1:08:30
you
1:08:30
want
1:08:30
to
1:08:30
buy
1:08:31
something,
1:08:32
it's
1:08:32
abusements.bigcartel.com.
1:08:36
Okay.
1:08:37
Big
1:08:37
Cartel
1:08:38
is
1:08:38
the
1:08:38
same
1:08:38
web
1:08:39
store
1:08:39
that
1:08:39
everybody
1:08:40
else
1:08:40
uses.
1:08:41
We
1:08:41
are
1:08:41
abusements.bigcartel.com
1:08:44
the
1:08:44
T
1:08:44
shirts
1:08:44
are
1:08:44
in
1:08:45
stock,
1:08:46
the
1:08:46
album's
1:08:46
in
1:08:47
stock.
1:08:47
I'm
1:08:47
almost
1:08:48
out
1:08:48
of
1:08:48
CDs
1:08:49
and
1:08:49
DVDs.
1:08:49
So
1:08:51
cool.
1:08:52
Awesome.
1:08:52
Thank
1:08:53
you
1:08:53
so
1:08:53
much,
1:08:53
my
1:08:53
friend.
1:08:54
Hey,
1:08:54
thank
1:08:54
you
1:08:54
so
1:08:55
much,
1:08:55
Bo.
1:08:55
It's
1:08:55
an
1:08:56
honor.
1:08:56
I
1:08:56
hope
1:08:56
this
1:08:57
has
1:08:57
been
1:08:57
interesting
1:08:58
or
1:08:58
at
1:08:58
least
1:08:58
made
1:08:58
sense.
1:08:59
Oh,
1:08:59
yeah.
1:09:00
Like,
1:09:01
one
1:09:01
of
1:09:01
the
1:09:02
unexpected
1:09:02
joys
1:09:02
of
1:09:03
that
1:09:03
I
1:09:03
get
1:09:04
out
1:09:04
of
1:09:04
doing
1:09:04
this
1:09:05
as
1:09:06
I
1:09:06
get
1:09:06
to
1:09:06
have
1:09:06
conversations
1:09:07
with
1:09:07
people
1:09:09
that
1:09:09
I
1:09:10
don't
1:09:10
usually
1:09:11
get
1:09:11
to
1:09:11
have.
1:09:13
It's
1:09:14
chaotic
1:09:14
at
1:09:14
these
1:09:15
gigs.
1:09:15
Yeah.
1:09:16
And
1:09:16
we're
1:09:16
both
1:09:16
doing
1:09:16
our
1:09:17
jobs
1:09:17
and
1:09:17
going
1:09:17
in
1:09:18
five
1:09:18
different
1:09:18
directions.
1:09:19
Right.
1:09:19
Also,
1:09:19
you
1:09:19
can't
1:09:19
hear
1:09:20
anything.
1:09:20
No.
1:09:21
You
1:09:21
know,
1:09:21
and
1:09:21
you
1:09:21
have
1:09:21
so
1:09:22
many
1:09:22
other
1:09:22
people
1:09:22
talking
1:09:22
to
1:09:23
you,
1:09:23
so
1:09:23
we
1:09:23
don't
1:09:23
really
1:09:24
get
1:09:24
the
1:09:24
opportunity
1:09:25
to
1:09:25
sit
1:09:25
down
1:09:25
and
1:09:25
have
1:09:25
these,
1:09:25
like,
1:09:26
deeper
1:09:26
conversations
1:09:27
and
1:09:27
deeper
1:09:27
understandings.
1:09:28
So.
1:09:29
Yeah.
1:09:29
So
1:09:29
thank
1:09:29
you.
1:09:29
I
1:09:30
really,
1:09:31
really
1:09:31
appreciate
1:09:31
it.
1:09:32
We
1:09:32
get
1:09:32
to
1:09:32
talk
1:09:33
about
1:09:33
the
1:09:33
deeper
1:09:33
stuff.
1:09:34
And
1:09:35
I've
1:09:36
had
1:09:36
this
1:09:36
long
1:09:36
and
1:09:36
really
1:09:37
weird
1:09:37
life
1:09:37
that
1:09:38
I'm
1:09:38
lucky
1:09:38
to
1:09:38
still
1:09:38
be
1:09:39
alive
1:09:39
in.
1:09:40
Okay.
1:09:41
And
1:09:42
I
1:09:42
wanted
1:09:42
to
1:09:42
work
1:09:42
on
1:09:43
computer
1:09:43
music,
1:09:43
and
1:09:44
I
1:09:44
got
1:09:44
To.
1:09:45
All
1:09:46
right.
1:09:46
I
1:09:47
really
1:09:47
thought
1:09:47
that
1:09:47
stuff
1:09:47
was
1:09:48
neat
1:09:48
and
1:09:48
was
1:09:48
the
1:09:49
coming
1:09:49
thing.
1:09:49
And
1:09:49
I.
1:09:50
I
1:09:50
was
1:09:50
lucky.
1:09:50
I
1:09:50
got
1:09:51
to
1:09:51
work
1:09:51
on
1:09:51
computer
1:09:52
music
1:09:52
with
1:09:52
the
1:09:52
guys
1:09:53
who
1:09:53
kind
1:09:53
of
1:09:54
invented
1:09:54
hard
1:09:55
disk
1:09:55
recording
1:09:55
on
1:09:55
the
1:09:56
Mac
1:09:56
and.
1:09:57
Well,
1:09:57
shucks,
1:09:58
that
1:09:58
was
1:09:59
exactly
1:09:59
what
1:09:59
I
1:09:59
wanted.
1:10:00
And
1:10:00
then
1:10:00
I
1:10:01
wanted
1:10:01
to
1:10:01
learn
1:10:01
how
1:10:01
to
1:10:01
do
1:10:02
real
1:10:02
estate
1:10:02
because
1:10:03
I
1:10:03
figured,
1:10:03
well,
1:10:03
that's
1:10:04
how
1:10:04
money's
1:10:04
actually
1:10:05
made.
1:10:06
Shit.
1:10:06
Careful
1:10:07
what
1:10:07
you
1:10:07
wish
1:10:07
for,
1:10:08
friends.
1:10:09
Okay?
1:10:09
You
1:10:09
might
1:10:10
get
1:10:10
an
1:10:10
education
1:10:10
in
1:10:11
real
1:10:11
estate
1:10:11
like
1:10:11
I
1:10:12
did.
1:10:12
Yeah.
1:10:12
Scar
1:10:13
tissue
1:10:13
to
1:10:13
show
1:10:13
for
1:10:14
it.
1:10:16
Yeah,
1:10:16
it's
1:10:17
been.
1:10:17
It's
1:10:17
been
1:10:17
good
1:10:17
all
1:10:18
throughout.
1:10:18
I
1:10:18
just
1:10:18
wanted
1:10:19
to
1:10:19
around
1:10:19
with
1:10:19
music
1:10:20
mostly.
1:10:20
BO
1:10:20
Yeah.
1:10:21
I
1:10:21
wanted
1:10:21
to
1:10:21
make
1:10:21
music
1:10:22
that
1:10:22
was
1:10:22
like.
1:10:23
Like
1:10:24
I
1:10:24
wanted
1:10:24
to
1:10:25
hear
1:10:25
from
1:10:26
a
1:10:26
radical
1:10:27
perspective.
1:10:29
Okay.
1:10:29
I
1:10:30
didn't
1:10:30
care
1:10:30
for
1:10:30
groups
1:10:31
like
1:10:31
the
1:10:31
Clash
1:10:31
and
1:10:32
Rage
1:10:32
against
1:10:32
the
1:10:32
Machine,
1:10:33
which
1:10:33
seemed
1:10:33
like
1:10:34
politics
1:10:34
from
1:10:35
a
1:10:35
corporate
1:10:35
perspective,
1:10:37
especially
1:10:37
Rage,
1:10:38
who
1:10:38
to
1:10:39
me
1:10:39
are
1:10:40
well
1:10:40
intentioned
1:10:41
yet
1:10:41
incoherent.
1:10:43
And
1:10:43
I'm
1:10:43
that
1:10:44
guy
1:10:44
who
1:10:44
got
1:10:44
that
1:10:45
Clash
1:10:45
London
1:10:46
Calling
1:10:46
album.
1:10:46
And
1:10:47
I
1:10:47
listened
1:10:47
to
1:10:47
four
1:10:48
sides
1:10:48
of
1:10:48
it
1:10:48
and
1:10:48
said,
1:10:49
fuck
1:10:50
this
1:10:50
sellout
1:10:51
shit.
1:10:51
And
1:10:51
I
1:10:51
took
1:10:51
out
1:10:51
my
1:10:52
buck
1:10:52
knife
1:10:52
and
1:10:53
scratched
1:10:53
all
1:10:54
four
1:10:54
sides
1:10:54
of
1:10:55
that
1:10:55
with
1:10:55
the
1:10:55
buck
1:10:55
knife
1:10:56
so
1:10:56
it
1:10:56
was
1:10:56
unplayable.
1:10:57
And
1:10:57
then
1:10:57
got
1:10:58
on
1:10:58
my
1:10:58
bicycle
1:10:58
and
1:10:59
rode
1:10:59
back
1:10:59
to
1:10:59
everybody's
1:11:00
record
1:11:00
company
1:11:00
on
1:11:01
Canyon
1:11:01
Road
1:11:01
and
1:11:02
Beaverton
1:11:02
and
1:11:02
insisted
1:11:03
that
1:11:03
they
1:11:04
give
1:11:04
me
1:11:04
something
1:11:04
else
1:11:05
because
1:11:05
this
1:11:05
giant
1:11:06
smoking
1:11:06
pile
1:11:06
of
1:11:07
was
1:11:07
never
1:11:07
going
1:11:08
to
1:11:08
fly.
1:11:09
I
1:11:09
was
1:11:10
felt
1:11:10
so
1:11:10
betrayed
1:11:11
by
1:11:11
the
1:11:11
Clash.
1:11:12
You're
1:11:12
hurting
1:11:12
my
1:11:13
heart
1:11:13
a
1:11:13
little
1:11:13
bit.
1:11:13
I
1:11:14
walked
1:11:15
out
1:11:15
of
1:11:15
there
1:11:15
with
1:11:15
a
1:11:15
Patty
1:11:16
Smith
1:11:16
record
1:11:16
and
1:11:16
a
1:11:16
Lou
1:11:17
Reed
1:11:17
album
1:11:17
and
1:11:17
I
1:11:18
felt
1:11:18
like
1:11:18
the
1:11:18
world
1:11:19
was
1:11:19
set
1:11:20
correct
1:11:20
again.
1:11:21
Screw
1:11:21
these
1:11:22
London
1:11:22
posers.
1:11:22
I'll
1:11:23
take
1:11:23
New
1:11:23
York
1:11:23
rock.
1:11:25
You're
1:11:25
hurting
1:11:26
my
1:11:26
heart
1:11:26
a
1:11:26
little
1:11:26
bit.
1:11:26
I
1:11:27
was
1:11:27
so
1:11:27
angry
1:11:27
with
1:11:27
the
1:11:28
clock
1:11:28
Clash,
1:11:28
man.
1:11:29
We
1:11:29
felt.
1:11:30
And
1:11:30
I
1:11:30
was
1:11:31
late
1:11:31
to
1:11:31
the
1:11:31
Hate
1:11:31
Clash
1:11:32
party,
1:11:32
okay.
1:11:33
Because
1:11:33
everybody
1:11:34
else
1:11:34
had
1:11:34
given
1:11:34
up
1:11:35
by
1:11:35
the
1:11:35
time
1:11:35
that
1:11:36
Giving
1:11:37
Him
1:11:37
Enough
1:11:37
Rope
1:11:38
came
1:11:38
along.
1:11:38
But
1:11:38
I
1:11:38
thought
1:11:39
that
1:11:39
album
1:11:39
had
1:11:40
merit.
1:11:41
That
1:11:41
sounded
1:11:41
like
1:11:42
a
1:11:42
rock
1:11:42
record
1:11:42
to
1:11:43
me,
1:11:43
where
1:11:43
the
1:11:43
first
1:11:43
record
1:11:44
had
1:11:44
some
1:11:44
sonic
1:11:45
shortcomings
1:11:46
but
1:11:46
was
1:11:46
still,
1:11:46
you
1:11:47
know,
1:11:47
profoundly
1:11:48
awesome.
1:11:48
Yeah.
1:11:49
So
1:11:49
I
1:11:50
actually
1:11:50
have.
1:11:51
I'm
1:11:52
a
1:11:52
huge
1:11:52
Clash
1:11:52
fan.
1:11:53
Still
1:11:53
am.
1:11:54
Like,
1:11:55
huge.
1:11:55
I'm
1:11:55
a
1:11:55
huge
1:11:56
fan.
1:11:56
I
1:11:56
just
1:11:56
jumped
1:11:57
off
1:11:57
after
1:11:58
two
1:11:58
records
1:11:58
and
1:11:58
some
1:11:59
EPs.
1:11:59
I
1:11:59
got
1:12:00
it.
1:12:00
And,
1:12:00
you
1:12:00
know,
1:12:00
and
1:12:01
that's
1:12:01
okay.
1:12:02
But
1:12:03
so
1:12:03
I
1:12:03
have
1:12:03
an
1:12:04
original
1:12:06
painting
1:12:08
by
1:12:09
Kevin
1:12:09
Seconds
1:12:10
of
1:12:11
the.
1:12:11
Like
1:12:12
his.
1:12:12
His
1:12:12
interpretation
1:12:13
of
1:12:13
the
1:12:13
Give
1:12:14
Them
1:12:14
Enough
1:12:14
Give
1:12:15
Them
1:12:15
Enough
1:12:15
Rope
1:12:16
album
1:12:16
cover.
1:12:20
Yeah.
1:12:21
So
1:12:21
anyway,
1:12:22
I
1:12:22
released
1:12:23
an
1:12:23
album
1:12:23
from
1:12:23
my
1:12:23
electronic
1:12:24
band
1:12:25
that
1:12:25
was
1:12:25
a
1:12:26
absolute
1:12:27
send
1:12:27
up
1:12:28
of
1:12:28
Give
1:12:28
Them
1:12:28
Enough
1:12:28
Rope
1:12:29
and
1:12:29
one
1:12:30
of
1:12:30
these
1:12:30
things.
1:12:30
Well,
1:12:31
basically
1:12:32
we
1:12:33
had
1:12:33
to
1:12:33
bury
1:12:33
that
1:12:33
band
1:12:34
too.
1:12:34
That
1:12:34
was
1:12:34
another
1:12:35
long
1:12:35
story
1:12:35
and
1:12:36
gets
1:12:36
shut
1:12:36
down.
1:12:36
And
1:12:37
you
1:12:37
have
1:12:37
to
1:12:37
pull
1:12:37
everything
1:12:37
from
1:12:38
the
1:12:38
Internet.
1:12:38
Yeah.
1:12:39
Because
1:12:39
you
1:12:39
pissed
1:12:39
off
1:12:40
the
1:12:40
wrong
1:12:40
people
1:12:40
who
1:12:40
control
1:12:41
your
1:12:41
life.
1:12:42
Fair
1:12:42
enough.
1:12:43
Okay.
1:12:44
We're
1:12:44
gonna
1:12:44
come
1:12:45
to
1:12:45
a
1:12:45
close.
1:12:45
Thank
1:12:45
you
1:12:46
again.
1:12:46
Thank
1:12:46
you,
1:12:47
pal.
1:12:47
Thank
1:12:47
you,
1:12:47
everybody
1:12:48
who
1:12:48
is
1:12:48
listening
1:12:49
to
1:12:49
this,
1:12:49
who
1:12:49
has
1:12:49
listened.
1:12:50
I
1:12:51
really
1:12:51
appreciate
1:12:51
it.
1:12:52
I
1:12:52
have
1:12:52
a
1:12:52
couple
1:12:53
really
1:12:53
neat
1:12:54
interviews
1:12:54
lined
1:12:54
up
1:12:55
with
1:12:55
people,
1:12:55
so
1:12:56
please
1:12:56
continue
1:12:57
listening.
1:12:57
Tell
1:12:57
your
1:12:58
friends
1:12:58
about
1:12:58
it.
1:13:00
And,
1:13:00
you
1:13:01
know,
1:13:01
as
1:13:01
I've
1:13:02
said
1:13:02
a
1:13:02
couple
1:13:02
times,
1:13:02
with
1:13:02
hope,
1:13:03
with
1:13:03
love
1:13:03
and
1:13:03
compassion,
1:13:04
we
1:13:05
will
1:13:05
see
1:13:05
you
1:13:05
or
1:13:06
hear
1:13:06
you
1:13:07
next
1:13:07
time,
1:13:07
however
1:13:08
it
1:13:08
goes
1:13:08
on
1:13:08
these
1:13:08
things.