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Mega Edition: The Chad Daybell Trial (Part 11-12 (10/21/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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Speaker 1: this episode, we're getting right back to it with the
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Speaker 1: Chad Daybell trial. And once again, we'll be using EastIdahoNews.com
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Speaker 1: as our guide. The author of this article is Kalama Hines. Headline,
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Speaker 1: on day 11 of the Chad Daybell trial, Fremont detective
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Speaker 1: says Chad discussed with Tammy their children light dark scales. 8.31 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Boyce has called the courtroom to order. We are underway.
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Speaker 1: Chad is in a blue shirt with a red tie. 8.32 a.m. Defense, prior,
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Speaker 1: argued that the new testimony is hearsay. 8.34 a.m. One
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Speaker 1: of the items the state would like to introduce is
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Speaker 1: a statement Tammy made to one of her co-workers regarding
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Speaker 1: Chad wanting her to up her life insurance policy. 8.35 a.m.
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Speaker 1: The state cites case law supporting the statement because it
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Speaker 1: has to do with her physical health. Defense argues it
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Speaker 1: has to do with her financial situation. 8.37 a.m. Boyce
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Speaker 1: says the statement is vague. Her co-worker alleges Tammy said
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Speaker 1: Chad wants her to up her insurance before she retires.
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Speaker 1: There was no discussion she was preparing to retire, Boyce says. 8.38 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Boyce rules that the statement will not be allowed, saying
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Speaker 1: it represents hearsay. Denial is without prejudice, meaning it could
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Speaker 1: be revisited to impeach defense arguments. So he's not going
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Speaker 1: to admit it right now, but that doesn't mean later
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Speaker 1: on that it won't be reintroduced. And that's because he
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Speaker 1: didn't dismiss it with prejudice. Now, if it was dismissed
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Speaker 1: with prejudice, then they couldn't bring it back up. So
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Speaker 1: we'll definitely be keeping our eye on this one popping
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Speaker 1: back up. 8.40 a.m. Second statement in which Tammy told
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Speaker 1: a co-worker Chad called her a zombie is now being discussed. 8.42 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Boyce says he finds no case law supporting the second
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Speaker 1: statement's admission. He will deny that as well, again without prejudice. 8.43 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Final motion. Tammy told a co-worker she felt the best
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Speaker 1: she has ever felt in her life. Boyce says there
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Speaker 1: is case law supporting this statement's admission. 8.45 a.m. Boyce
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Speaker 1: will allow that statement into evidence. 8.45 a.m. State asks
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Speaker 1: for a brief recess. We will be back on the
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Speaker 1: record with the jury and the return of Fremont County
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Speaker 1: Detective Vince Kayakamanu at 9 a.m. 9.02 a.m. We are
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Speaker 1: back and the jury is brought back into the courtroom. 9.04 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Blake will continue the direct of Kayakamanu. 9.07 a.m. The
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Speaker 1: technical difficulties from yesterday seem to be going on again today. 9.08 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Blake is having some difficulty publishing the exhibit to the courtroom. 9.12 a.m.
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Speaker 1: The exhibit is published. It's a PowerPoint about October 8th, 2019.
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox googled shooting drop the day before the Tammy
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Speaker 1: Daybell shooting. 9.14 a.m. The following day of the Daybell
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Speaker 1: shooting incident, Cox searched for AR uppers, attachments for an
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Speaker 1: AR type of rifle. 9.15 a.m. Cox searched how a
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Speaker 1: rifle responds to cold weather the day after the Tammy
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Speaker 1: shooting incident. 9.17 a.m. Kaya Kamanu says he searched temps
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Speaker 1: for the day of the Tammy incident. It was 26 degrees. 9.18 a.m.
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Speaker 1: On October 12th, Cox searches information regarding ghillie suit and
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Speaker 1: whether a gun will shoot through steel shell of a
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Speaker 1: Dodge Dakota, the same vehicle Tammy would have been driving.
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Speaker 1: Just a big coincidence here, folks. Just like Alex Cox's death.
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Speaker 1: Just a big ol' coincidence. He happened to die of
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Speaker 1: natural causes, right as he's being fingered as somebody involved
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Speaker 1: in what happened here? Oh yeah, just a big ol' coincidence. 9.20 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu handed a new exhibit, Financial Records from the
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Speaker 1: Gun Range. Cox was at the range under the name C. Quint.
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Speaker 1: He was there five times from October 7th to October 15th, 2019.
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Speaker 1: Tammy died on October 19th, 2019. 9.24 a.m. New evidence
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Speaker 1: being presented. An affidavit for records from Tammy's phone. 9.27 a.m.
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Speaker 1: After sidebar, Blake will re-tag the exhibit. 9.28 a.m. Records
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Speaker 1: from Tammy's phone are now being published. 9.29 a.m. Tammy
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Speaker 1: sent Mark Daybell an email on October 13, 2019. The
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Speaker 1: email will not be read into the court, and I
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Speaker 1: cannot read it on the YouTube video. 9.32 a.m. The
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Speaker 1: email is referring to the gun incident. Tammy describes the
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Speaker 1: incident to her son. She thought the man behind her
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Speaker 1: was Chad or Garth, turned around to find a man
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Speaker 1: in a ski mask pointing a gun at her. 9.34 a.m.
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Speaker 1: She was in shock, described seeing the hopper on the
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Speaker 1: top of the gun, a container that holds paintballs. She
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Speaker 1: says she wasn't scared until after the man ran away
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Speaker 1: and she thought about what could have happened. 9.37 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Tammy did not go to Zumba the following night because
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Speaker 1: she did not want to go out after dark alone. 9.38 a.m.
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Speaker 1: A photo of a gun now published. It was found
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Speaker 1: inside Cox's apartment. It has a large scope on top.
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Speaker 1: That could be mistaken for a hopper. And the hopper
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Speaker 1: is where you put the paintballs in, right? It's like
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Speaker 1: the area where you load the balls. So it easily
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Speaker 1: could be mistaken for a gun with a big scope
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Speaker 1: on it, right? Especially if you're somebody who's not hip
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Speaker 1: to what something like that looks like. 9.40 a.m. Blake
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Speaker 1: now referring to Cox searches. He was looking into drilling
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Speaker 1: a baffle to make a suppressor. 9.42 a.m. Kaya Kamanu
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Speaker 1: now describing a close-up of Cox's gun with a threaded
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Speaker 1: muzzle break which is where a homemade suppressor could have
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Speaker 1: been attached. 9.43 a.m. Kaya Kamanu discussed with other officers
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Speaker 1: and detectives regarding Cox device locations. He says one of
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Speaker 1: Cox devices was found near the Daybell residence the afternoon
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Speaker 1: of the attempted shooting, as Blake calls it. 9.44 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Officers did not collect a paintball gun from Cox apartment.
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Speaker 1: There were no other reports of a masked man pointing
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Speaker 1: a paintball gun at anyone around the time, 9.49 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Geofence data gathered by Kayakamanu showed Cox around the Daybell
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Speaker 1: home and the Latter-day Saint church near the house, within
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Speaker 1: 150 meters on both, the day of the attempted shooting.
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Speaker 1: And I've said it a million times, but I'll say
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Speaker 1: it again because it's worth repeating. It's unfortunate that Alex
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Speaker 1: Cox ended up dying and not facing justice. Because this
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Speaker 1: disgusting piece of shit was right there with Lori Vallow,
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Speaker 1: with Chad Daybell, and in my opinion was the one
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Speaker 1: who actually killed these kids. 9.50 a.m. Three other devices
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Speaker 1: passed through both of those locations the same day. Kayakamanu
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Speaker 1: spoke with two of the owners, was unable to get
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Speaker 1: a hold of the third. Both lived in that area. 9.51 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Cox was near the church for around 40 minutes, from
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Speaker 1: around 10.05 to around 10.45 p.m. The attempted shooting occurred
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Speaker 1: around 9.45 p.m., you'll remember. So the timeline certainly adds up.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that he was there and they can
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Speaker 1: put him there with GPS and geofencing is really bad
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Speaker 1: for Alex Cox or would be if he was alive.
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Speaker 1: But what it does is it shows the conspiracy, right?
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Speaker 1: That Chad Daybell was right there in the mix with
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and with Alex Cox. And it wasn't only
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Speaker 1: JJ and Tylee that were being targeted, but Tammy as well. 9.52 a.m.
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Speaker 1: The church is 2.6 miles from the Daybell home. The
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Speaker 1: device shuts off until after 11 p.m. 9.54 a.m. Kayakamanu
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Speaker 1: did not get any info. On devices related to Chad
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Speaker 1: the night of the attempted shooting, he did get location
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Speaker 1: data for Garth who was at work. 9.55 a.m. Blake
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Speaker 1: now asking about emails from Charles Vallow, To Chad and
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell. 9.56am. The email's addressed an affair between Chad
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Speaker 1: and Lori. So Charles figured it out. And not only
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Speaker 1: did he contact Chad, he contacted Tammy as well. But
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Speaker 1: according to the evidence that we've heard, Tammy deleted the email.
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Speaker 1: But Charles Vallow was hip to what was going on
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Speaker 1: and he was outing Lori Vallow for her bullshit. Then
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Speaker 1: he ends up dead. Again, another coincidence, right? 9.57 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu says Lori and Chad were married three days
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Speaker 1: after Tammy's funeral. Pryor will cross-examine. 9.58 a.m. Pryor asks
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Speaker 1: to call Detective Kaya Kamanu, Officer K. 10 a.m. Pryor
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Speaker 1: publishes the email introduced earlier. 10.01 a.m. Pryor asking about
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Speaker 1: one of the Daybell's neighbors. 10.01 a.m. Reagan Price, who
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Speaker 1: lives Kitty Corner to the Daybells. 10.03 a.m. Price reported
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Speaker 1: that someone snatched her dog earlier the week of the
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Speaker 1: attempted shooting. So, because she got her dog snatched, that
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Speaker 1: has something to do with somebody attempting to shoot Tammy Daybell?
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Speaker 1: Is that what Mr. Pryor is trying to infer here? 10.05 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor now asking about the location of the attempted shooting
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Speaker 1: in relation to the Daybell's home and the driveway. 10.07 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu says he understands the difference between a paintball
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Speaker 1: hopper and a rifle scope. 10.08 a.m. Pryor says it
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Speaker 1: would be very difficult to confuse the hopper and the
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Speaker 1: rifle scope. Kayakamanu disagrees, saying someone who does not know
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Speaker 1: the difference could make that confusion. 10.09 a.m. Pryor says
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Speaker 1: Tammy Google-searched photos of paintball guns and pointed out the
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Speaker 1: one she saw the night of the incident. He then
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Speaker 1: says Kayakumanu did not know about that because it was
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Speaker 1: not included in the police reports. 10.10 a.m. Voice calls
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Speaker 1: for the mid-morning break. 10.37 a.m. We are back. Jerry
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Speaker 1: being brought back into the courtroom. 10.41 a.m. Pryor asks
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Speaker 1: Kayakamanu to re-read a portion of the email Tammy sent
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Speaker 1: to Mark. She describes hearing the whooshing of an empty
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Speaker 1: paintball gun. 1042 AM She was more annoyed than scared
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Speaker 1: because the man was standing between her and the door.
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Speaker 1: He didn't come to ward her. 1044 AM Pryor suggests
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Speaker 1: that because Tammy was at close range to the man,
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Speaker 1: she would have known what was being pointed at her.
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Speaker 1: Kayakamanu says yes in daylight. 1045 AM Pryor says Primary
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Speaker 1: differentiator between a gun and a paintball gun is the hopper. 10.46 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor says an AR, even with a suppressor, would make
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Speaker 1: a loud enough noise for Chad and Garth to hear
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Speaker 1: inside the house. Kayakamanu says it depends on the type
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Speaker 1: of round used. 10.48 a.m. In her email, Tammy says
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Speaker 1: the suspect, the assailant, was a bipolar teenage neighbor. 10.49 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu was not aware of the fact that a
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Speaker 1: bipolar teenager was contacting people in the neighborhood. Pryor says
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Speaker 1: this was another fact omitted from the police reports. 10.51 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Tammy also refers in the email to the gun as
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Speaker 1: not real. 10.52 a.m. Tammy said she wonders who would
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Speaker 1: wander the neighborhood in a mask carrying a paintball gun.
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Speaker 1: He didn't try to rob or hurt her. 10.55 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor again playing Tammy's 911 call. 10.56 a.m. She says
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Speaker 1: I could tell it was a paintball thing. 10.57 a.m.
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Speaker 1: She also says it's so dark out here and he
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Speaker 1: was holding the gun like it was a rifle. 11.01 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor playing the call again. 11.02 a.m. Pryor wants the
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Speaker 1: jury to focus on the facts that Tammy never directly
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Speaker 1: says it was a gun, though she did say the
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Speaker 1: man held the paintball gun like it was a rifle.
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Speaker 1: So what he's trying to do here is raise doubt.
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Speaker 1: that it was Alex Cox who was attempting to shoot
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybill. And if he can do that, then he
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Speaker 1: can say that the whole entire conspiracy was trash, right?
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Speaker 1: That it never happened, and that Chad wasn't involved in
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Speaker 1: trying to kill his wife? That's what Pryor's shooting for here. 11.04 a.m. Pryor,
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Speaker 1: can we agree that the 911 call speaks for itself?
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu, yes, having a rifle and shooting at her. Pryor,
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Speaker 1: is that what you heard? Kaya Kamanu, yes. 11.05 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor publishes a photo of a paintball gun and says
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Speaker 1: someone can clearly see the hopper. Kaya Kamanu says if
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Speaker 1: they can clearly see it. 11.07 a.m. Kaya Kamanu, sticking
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Speaker 1: strong with the fact that in the daylight he could
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Speaker 1: tell the difference, he points out that Tammy described it
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Speaker 1: being dark in the 911 call. So the argument is,
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Speaker 1: did she recognize what this gun was? Because it's dark out, right?
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Speaker 1: And she's not some kind of gun aficionado. So there
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Speaker 1: is a very good likelihood that she could have mistaken
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Speaker 1: a rifle for a paintball gun. 11.09 a.m. Just got
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Speaker 1: a pretty clear view of Chad's left hand for those watching.
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Speaker 1: He's not wearing a wedding band. 11.11 a.m. Pryor having
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu read a Facebook post from Tammy in which
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Speaker 1: she describes the paintball gun. 11.12 a.m. Pryor points out
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Speaker 1: that Tammy never included the words gun or rifle in
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Speaker 1: the Facebook post in which she describes the paintball gun
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Speaker 1: as being empty. 11.16 a.m. Pryor brings up UTC. Universal
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Speaker 1: time coding. Idaho is UTC 6. 11.18 a.m. Tammy searched
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Speaker 1: paintball guns on October 10th at 13.29 a.m. UTC. Would
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Speaker 1: make the search at 9.29 p.m. local time immediately after
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Speaker 1: the incident. 11.20 a.m. Kayakamanu says he did not see
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Speaker 1: the police reports. Anything about that search. 11.21 a.m. Tammy
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Speaker 1: also searched airsoft guns around the same time. Pryor points
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Speaker 1: out that she never searched for a rifle or a shotgun. 11.22 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor asks if any officers were present during the attempted shooting.
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Speaker 1: A confused Kayakamanu agrees that officers were not there during
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Speaker 1: the shooting. What kind of question is that? Of course
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Speaker 1: they weren't there during the shooting. 11.23 a.m. Pryor says
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Speaker 1: because only Tammy and the gunman were present for the incident.
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Speaker 1: Tammy would have been the only person to identify the instrument.
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Speaker 1: Blake asked Kaya Kamanu if he knew of Tammy's knowledge
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Speaker 1: of guns. He says he had no way of knowing
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Speaker 1: it as he never spoke to her directly. 11.25 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Cox's Google search history being published again. 11.27 a.m. Pryor
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Speaker 1: shifting to the gun range logs. Asking about Chad's arrival
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Speaker 1: in Idaho in comparison to his gun range visits. Cox
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Speaker 1: was at the gun range in St. Anthony from October 7th. 11.28 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Cox also visited gun ranges in other cities. Pryor says
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Speaker 1: he had a habit of visiting gun ranges. He also
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Speaker 1: says Cox had been Googling guns since 2017. Kaya Kamanu
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Speaker 1: says he's not aware of those searches. 11.30 a.m. Pryor
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Speaker 1: says it is alleged Cox fired a gun at distance
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Speaker 1: at Brandon Boudreau and at close range killed Charles Vallow.
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Speaker 1: He points out that Chad is not implicated in those murders. 11.31 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Sidebar regarding the line of questioning. 11.38 a.m. Cross continues
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Speaker 1: prior returns to Cox search history. 11.38 a.m. Cox search
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Speaker 1: drop for 100 to 200 yards. Prior points out that
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Speaker 1: the driveway was around 30 feet or 10 yards. 11.39 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu is not aware of Cox applied for a
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Speaker 1: hunting license that year, but acknowledges that it would have
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Speaker 1: been hunting season. 11.41 a.m. Search for preparing an AR
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Speaker 1: for cold weather. Pryor says October would have brought cold
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Speaker 1: weather hunting. So we're using ARs to go hunting? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess, if that's what you're going to do. 1141 a.m. Gilly,
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Speaker 1: Pryor says, could have been used for game hunting. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what it could have been used for, but
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Speaker 1: instead we know what it was used for, okay? Nice
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Speaker 1: try by Pryor here, but it's ringing hollow. 1142 a.m.
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Speaker 1: As for the penetration power, Cox searched for 5.56mm that
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Speaker 1: would get through windshield or Dodge steel. 11.44am. Pryor says
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Speaker 1: Cox was preparing to shoot at a Dodge Dakota to
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Speaker 1: do harm. 11.45am. Pryor says Chad drove the Dakota. It
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Speaker 1: is objected to and sustained. 11.46am. Pryor asks about Cox's
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Speaker 1: location history, then says he will save that for another day. 11.48am.
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Speaker 1: Blake requests a sidebar before exhibit is published. 11.51 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Sidebar was to redact an identifier mark in the document. 11.52 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Police obtained all information from Tammy's email account. All info
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Speaker 1: officers found relevant was included in the reports, included her
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Speaker 1: chats between Tammy and her son Mark. 11.53 a.m. Police
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Speaker 1: reports say some messages are very clear to have come
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Speaker 1: from Chad using Tammy's email. 11.53 a.m. Chad discussed with
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Speaker 1: Tammy and their children about the existence of light and
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Speaker 1: dark spirits. The second that dude started talking about light
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Speaker 1: and dark spirits, Tammy Daybell should have hit the bricks
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Speaker 1: and got out of Dodge. 11.55 a.m. Pryor says these
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Speaker 1: ideas are standard for most religions. No, they're not. Light
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Speaker 1: and dark. People being designated light and dark. Not your job,
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Speaker 1: Chad Daybell. I don't care what the religion is. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I think Christianity has something to say about false prophets, no? 11.58am.
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Speaker 1: In messages, Chad says he cleared a dark spirit from
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Speaker 1: one of his children and noted one of the children
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Speaker 1: at Sunday school was a 4.2 dark spirit. Pryor says
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Speaker 1: no one killed the child. Yeah, because he didn't have
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Speaker 1: his little buddy Lori Vallow there with him. Sometimes it
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Speaker 1: takes two to tango. And when we're talking about crazy
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Speaker 1: like this, well, when crazy meets evil, we see the result. 11.59 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Their message threads include discussions about people, children, chat identified
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Speaker 1: as being dark. Noon. Voice is calling lunch. Back at 1.
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Speaker 1: Pryor says this testimony may take a while. Possible Kayakumanu
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Speaker 1: will be on the stand all day after starting yesterday.
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Speaker 1: All right, so like usual, this is where we're going
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Speaker 1: to wrap up as well. And in the next episode,
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Speaker 1: we'll pick up where we left off and finish out
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Speaker 1: day number 11 of the Chad Daybell trial. All of
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Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the program. In this episode, we're diving right back
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Speaker 1: in to day number 11 of the Chad Daybell trial.
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Speaker 1: And we're going to pick up right where we left
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Speaker 1: off with that eastidahonews.com article. The author of this article
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Speaker 1: is Kalama Hines. 1.10 p.m. We're back. Jerry is being
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Speaker 1: brought back into the courtroom. Detective Kaya Kamanu is still
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Speaker 1: on the stand with prior cross-examining. 1.16 p.m. The Daybell
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Speaker 1: stake president, a Latter-day Saint leader, requested Chad's publisher stop
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Speaker 1: publishing the books. Kayakamanu does not know why. Well, maybe,
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Speaker 1: just maybe, because they're batshit crazy, and they make everybody
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Speaker 1: look bad. I don't know, just an idea. 1.19 p.m.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what angle Pryor is working on right now.
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Speaker 1: He's now asking Chad about preparing to run a 5K
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Speaker 1: after being a couch potato. 1.20 p.m. Pryor is asking
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Speaker 1: why Kayakamanu felt these were of evidentiary value, leading to
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Speaker 1: his recording this in the reports. 1.22 p.m. They are
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Speaker 1: now talking about Tammy tripping over a duck gate. 1.24 p.m.
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Speaker 1: The Daybells had issues with raccoons eating their animal food,
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Speaker 1: still not certain if Pryor is building to something, though
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Speaker 1: he may be leading up to the message that Chad
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Speaker 1: sent to Tammy about shooting a squirrel, and burying it
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Speaker 1: in the backyard where the bodies of JJ and Tylee
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Speaker 1: were found. That's probably exactly what he's doing. This man's
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Speaker 1: trying to set it up that, hey, look, we had
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Speaker 1: an issue with rodents out here with raccoons, and it
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Speaker 1: wasn't something out of the normal for us to try
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Speaker 1: and deal with it or for me to go out
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Speaker 1: there and kill one of these raccoons and then bury
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Speaker 1: it on the property. That's what they're trying to pitch here.
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Speaker 1: That's the narrative that they're trying to create and set up.
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Speaker 1: The question is, is anybody buying it? And more importantly,
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Speaker 1: is the jury buying it? 1.26 p.m. Yes, Pryor now
21:14
Speaker 1: references that email, sent in September 2019, two or three
21:18
Speaker 1: months later. 1.28 p.m. Pryor now publishes two photos, one
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Speaker 1: of Chad and Tammy, and one of a raccoon in
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Speaker 1: a trap. 1.31 p.m. Pryor is still discussing messages sent
21:31
Speaker 1: by Tammy in the days leading up to Tammy's death.
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Speaker 1: Three weeks before she died, she referenced herself not feeling well. So,
21:40
Speaker 1: because she wasn't feeling well, all of a sudden that
21:42
Speaker 1: leads us to believe that she just up and died
21:45
Speaker 1: of natural causes? Meanwhile, she hadn't had any issues according
21:50
Speaker 1: to people in her dance class, people that were doing
21:53
Speaker 1: physical activities with her. Now, all of a sudden... The
21:56
Speaker 1: narrative is that she was super ill and she just
21:59
Speaker 1: happened to die in her sleep one night? I mean,
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Speaker 1: not impossible, but given the circumstances of the whole entire
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Speaker 1: situation here, I find it very, very hard to believe
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Speaker 1: that Tammy Daybell just died in her sleep. 1.34 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor asks Kayakamanu if he's aware Tammy didn't drive because
22:19
Speaker 1: of medical concerns she had about herself. He says he
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Speaker 1: didn't know that. 1.37 p.m. Kaya Kamanu says he spoke
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Speaker 1: with Officer Greenhall about her investigation into Tammy's unattended death.
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Speaker 1: Nothing suspicious was reported. Pryor's done. Blake will redirect. 1.40 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Blake going right after the light-dark scale. Kaya Kamanu says
22:40
Speaker 1: it was Chad who raided people. 1.41 p.m. The children
22:45
Speaker 1: Chad raided as dark were 12. Blake asks if they're alive.
22:49
Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu says he hopes so. Blake asks if those
22:52
Speaker 1: children stood between Chad and Lori being involved. Kaya Kamanu
22:56
Speaker 1: says no. And there's the rub, right? Those kids weren't
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Speaker 1: in the way of old Stunad and Skufuza here running
23:04
Speaker 1: off and being together in Hawaii. Meanwhile, Lori Vallow's children
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Speaker 1: and Tammy Daybell certainly were putting a crimp in things
23:11
Speaker 1: for these two disgustoids, so they had to go. And
23:14
Speaker 1: the justification for that can be found in this dumbass
23:17
Speaker 1: light and dark scale that these two idiots ascribe to. 1.43 p.m.
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Speaker 1: In her emails, Tammy tells her children she has not
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Speaker 1: been sleeping well with Chad gone. Blake points out that
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Speaker 1: Chad was in Houston with Lori at the time. 1.46 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu again says he never found anything in his
23:36
Speaker 1: investigation that Tammy's reason for not driving long distances having
23:41
Speaker 1: to do with her medical concerns. He says Chad encouraged
23:45
Speaker 1: her to make the drive to Utah alone. So if
23:48
Speaker 1: she had these medical conditions, what was she doing? at
23:51
Speaker 1: the car the day that she allegedly almost got shot
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Speaker 1: by Alex Cox. I thought she wasn't supposed to drive. 1.47 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Blake now focusing on the possibility a dog thief was
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Speaker 1: the person who attempted to shoot Tammy. Kaya Kamanu says
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Speaker 1: the suspect was female and was not reported to have
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Speaker 1: been armed. 1.49 p.m. Blake now asking about the Daybell's driveway.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu says the driveway Tammy used the night of
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Speaker 1: the attempted shooting was shorter but the house... had a second,
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Speaker 1: longer driveway. 1.50 p.m. Blake asks about the lighting around
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Speaker 1: 9 p.m. in Fremont County at that date. Kayakamanu says
24:30
Speaker 1: that time is about dusk. 1.51 p.m. Kayakamanu says he's
24:35
Speaker 1: not surprised deputies did not search the internet for photos
24:39
Speaker 1: of paintball guns with Tammy. 1.52 p.m. Tammy never showed
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Speaker 1: officers a photo of a specific paintball gun saying this
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Speaker 1: is the one. 1.54 p.m. Photo of Alex Cox rifle
24:51
Speaker 1: published and broadcast. 1.54 p.m. There is now a sample
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Speaker 1: photo of a paintball gun that looks very similar to
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Speaker 1: Cox rifle. And the pictures are included here in the article.
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Speaker 1: So if you want to check them out, the link
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Speaker 1: will be in the description box. 1.56 p.m. Blake again
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Speaker 1: shows a close-up of Cox rifle. Honestly, the threading for
25:12
Speaker 1: a suppressor does make the barrel look similar to a
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Speaker 1: paintball gun. 1.57 p.m. Blake says Kaya Kamanu to compare
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Speaker 1: the sounds of a paintball gun and a misfiring AR
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Speaker 1: with a suppressor. 1.57 p.m. He says there are different
25:28
Speaker 1: sounds depending on the cause of the misfire. 1.59 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Kaya Kamanu says there were no police reports filed around
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Speaker 1: the time of the attempted shooting of a bipolar neighbor
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Speaker 1: brandishing a gun of any kind. 2.01 p.m. Blake working
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Speaker 1: on publishing evidence exhibits. 2.04 p.m. First, Tammy's message on
25:48
Speaker 1: Facebook tells people to be aware. Next, she says she
25:52
Speaker 1: was scared after the incident when thinking about what could
25:55
Speaker 1: have happened. Finally, she skipped Zumba because she was so scared. 2.07 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Tammy's 911 call being played once again. 2.11 p.m. Blake
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Speaker 1: asks Kayakamanu if shooting through a windshield or a Dodge
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Speaker 1: Dakota would be associated with hunting. He says no. Well,
26:14
Speaker 1: unless you're hunting for people. I mean, that's really what
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox was doing, right? 2.12 p.m. Kaya Kamanu says
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Speaker 1: he's not aware of Chad ever reporting being afraid of
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Speaker 1: anyone or concerned someone would shoot him. 2.13 p.m. Boyce
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Speaker 1: will allow a limited recross. 2.16 p.m. Pryor says if
26:36
Speaker 1: someone was trying to hurt someone at close range, they
26:39
Speaker 1: would use a pistol or a shotgun. Kaya Kamanu says
26:42
Speaker 1: rifles can be used at close range. 2.18 p.m. Pryor
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Speaker 1: says the fact that Cox was looking into shooting through
26:49
Speaker 1: the type of car the Daybell's own shows his target
26:52
Speaker 1: was likely someone in the Daybell family. Kayakamanu agrees. 2.19 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Kayakamanu steps down, but his subpoena will be upheld. Boyce
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Speaker 1: calls for a sidebar, followed by an afternoon break. 2.47 p.m.
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Speaker 1: We're back. Jerry being brought back into the courtroom. 2.51 p.m.
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Speaker 1: State calls. Its next witness, Spencer Cook, Sugar Salem School
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Speaker 1: District Technology Director. 2.52 p.m. Cook says he's in charge
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Speaker 1: of anything that plugs into the wall for the school district,
27:25
Speaker 1: including all email accounts. 2.54 p.m. Cook recalls receiving requests
27:31
Speaker 1: from police to retrieve an email from Charles Vallow to
27:34
Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell. And that's the email that I was talking
27:37
Speaker 1: about previously that I said Tammy Daybell deleted. And the
27:40
Speaker 1: reason we know that is because it was recovered by
27:43
Speaker 1: this gentleman. 2.58 p.m. Wixom asked Cook to read a
27:47
Speaker 1: portion of the email. Charles says he has vital and
27:50
Speaker 1: disturbing information regarding Chad and Lori. 2.58 p.m. Cook says
27:55
Speaker 1: the email was read and deleted. Charles email address had
27:59
Speaker 1: been blocked. Imagine getting an email like that and then
28:02
Speaker 1: just blocking the sender. and not confronting Chad or doing
28:06
Speaker 1: anything about it. It just shows you, in my opinion anyway,
28:10
Speaker 1: the hold that Chad Daybell had on Tammy Daybell. This
28:13
Speaker 1: poor woman didn't want to accept that Chad Daybell was
28:16
Speaker 1: a straight-up monster. and didn't want to accept that Chad
28:19
Speaker 1: Daybell was obviously cheating on her. And I know that
28:22
Speaker 1: we focus a lot on Tylee and JJ, but what
28:25
Speaker 1: happened with Tammy is just unbelievably evil as well. And
28:30
Speaker 1: just another reason why I think that Chad Daybell should
28:33
Speaker 1: have himself a nice little trip on a helicopter over
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Speaker 1: a volcano after he's convicted. 3 p.m. State's done. Pryor
28:41
Speaker 1: will not cross. Cook is released from all subpoenas. 3.01 p.m.
28:46
Speaker 1: Boyce says it's inconvenient time to call another witness. Boyce
28:49
Speaker 1: is calling it a day, and the state is hoping
28:52
Speaker 1: to get through witnesses coming in from out of town.
28:55
Speaker 1: Jury may be released early tomorrow, 3.02 p.m. Thank you
28:59
Speaker 1: for following along with me today and Tuesday. It has
29:01
Speaker 1: been a pleasure. Caitlin Hart will be back tomorrow, and
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton is back on Monday. All right, so day
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Speaker 1: number 11 in the Chad Daybell trial is in the books,
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Speaker 1: and now we're moving on to day number 12. All
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Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
29:19
Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
29:24
Speaker 1: back to the program. In this episode, we're getting right
29:26
Speaker 1: back to that Chad Daybell trial, and we're going to
29:29
Speaker 1: take a look at what went down on day number 12.
29:33
Speaker 1: To do that, once again, we're using EastIdahoNews.com and the
29:38
Speaker 1: author of this article, is Caitlin Hart. 8.48 a.m. Jurors
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Speaker 1: are being brought in. Chad's wearing a blue pattern tie
29:47
Speaker 1: and a white blue button-up shirt. 8.50 a.m. Boyce says
29:52
Speaker 1: the court took an evidentiary matter up this morning and
29:55
Speaker 1: ruled on it before the trial started this morning. Steve
29:58
Speaker 1: Schultz is on the stand. 8.51 a.m. Rocky Wixom is
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Speaker 1: questioning Steve Schultz, who says he lives in Springville, Utah.
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Speaker 1: He worked for the state of Utah in a child
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Speaker 1: support enforcement division and worked in multiple mortuaries as a
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Speaker 1: funeral director and an embalmer. He says he knows Chad
30:17
Speaker 1: Daybell as he used to be his neighbor in Utah. 8.54 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Schultz was Daybell's neighbor until the end of 2015 for
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Speaker 1: a total of nine years. Schultz says he knew Tammy
30:29
Speaker 1: and the Daybell children very well. We were neighbors. We
30:32
Speaker 1: attended the same church together. We had many conversations, worked together,
30:37
Speaker 1: both in the funeral industry as well as just basic
30:39
Speaker 1: good neighbors. Schultz says Chad worked for the Springville and
30:44
Speaker 1: Spanish Fork cemeteries as the sexton, taking care of the cemetery. 8.55 a.m.
30:50
Speaker 1: Schultz learned from another neighbor that Tammy had died on
30:53
Speaker 1: October 19, 2019. Chad had called later and asked if
30:57
Speaker 1: he could help bring Tammy's body to Springville for funeral services.
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Speaker 1: I said I'd be honored to. Chad says the Daybells
31:05
Speaker 1: were a rock solid in our community. 8.58am. Schultz went
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Speaker 1: to Rexburg with Chad's brother-in-law that Sunday after Tammy's death.
31:14
Speaker 1: They went directly to Chad and Tammy's house. Chad, Garth,
31:18
Speaker 1: one of the Daybells' children, and Chad's parents were there.
31:21
Speaker 1: Schultz says he told Chad he was sorry for his loss.
31:25
Speaker 1: Chad told him that Tammy had been experiencing difficulty with breathing,
31:29
Speaker 1: and she went to bed that night, and when she
31:31
Speaker 1: woke up, she had passed away. I believe he found
31:34
Speaker 1: her on the floor, then he called Garth in to
31:36
Speaker 1: help lift his mom into the bed. 9 a.m. Chad
31:40
Speaker 1: told Schultz that the coroner said Tammy had died from
31:43
Speaker 1: an embolism. Schultz says Chad did not want an autopsy done. 9.01 a.m.
31:49
Speaker 1: Schultz says he brought booklets about caskets to the Daybell home.
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Speaker 1: and most of the funeral arrangements were done by the
31:55
Speaker 1: time that they left the house. He wanted to have
31:58
Speaker 1: the funeral services as soon as possible. Chad wanted the
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Speaker 1: funeral to be on a Monday, possibly, but that was
32:04
Speaker 1: too quick. The funeral was set for Tuesday. Schultz says
32:08
Speaker 1: there is usually a 3-4 day period between the death
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Speaker 1: and the funeral. So why would he want the funeral
32:14
Speaker 1: so quickly? And why didn't he want an autopsy? None
32:19
Speaker 1: of that makes sense to me. If your wife or
32:21
Speaker 1: your kid or whatever drops dead, The last thing you
32:24
Speaker 1: want to do is just bury them, right? Don't you
32:26
Speaker 1: want to have some kind of reasoning for why they died?
32:29
Speaker 1: Don't you want to know what happened to them? Don't
32:31
Speaker 1: you want to know if it's congenital? That way, if
32:34
Speaker 1: one of the other kids is suffering from something in
32:37
Speaker 1: silence that they don't know about, they can get checked out.
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Speaker 1: I mean, especially considering the circumstances. You don't know what
32:44
Speaker 1: Tammy died from. but everybody's just going to shrug their
32:46
Speaker 1: shoulders and keep it moving? I mean, not one of
32:49
Speaker 1: these children was curious about what happened to their mother.
32:52
Speaker 1: And furthermore, wouldn't that go to give you a little
32:55
Speaker 1: bit of confidence that your dad wasn't involved? Hey, what
32:59
Speaker 1: does the coroner say? What does the medical examiner say?
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Speaker 1: Did my dad kill my mom? Probably a question that
33:04
Speaker 1: you should be asking at this point. 9.03 a.m. When
33:08
Speaker 1: I was there, when I gave him a hug, he
33:11
Speaker 1: was teary. He had just lost his wife, but it
33:13
Speaker 1: just seemed like there was a business-like atmosphere about it,
33:16
Speaker 1: which could be either a person's way of dealing with
33:19
Speaker 1: grief or I want to get this thing done and
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Speaker 1: over with. Chad said, I don't want to drag this out. 9.04 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Tammy's body was then brought back to Springville by another mortician.
33:30
Speaker 1: Boyce asked Schultz to slow down. He's talking pretty fast. 9.05 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Schultz says he took a quick glance at Tammy's body.
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Speaker 1: I was concerned because this was a sudden death. I
33:41
Speaker 1: understand she was sick, but somebody that young is usually
33:44
Speaker 1: physical enough to overcome it. 9.07 a.m. Chad told Schultz
33:49
Speaker 1: she was sick and had a chronic cough. He says
33:52
Speaker 1: he was concerned about Tammy because she passed away without
33:55
Speaker 1: doctors around and the family didn't want an autopsy. There
33:59
Speaker 1: were already some red flags I had encountered prior to
34:02
Speaker 1: her passing away that just... There was a cause of
34:04
Speaker 1: suspicion for me. Not suspicion, concern. I wanted to find
34:09
Speaker 1: out if she had fallen, if there was anything wrong
34:11
Speaker 1: with Tammy. 9.09 a.m. Schultz says he didn't notice anything
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Speaker 1: suspicious on Tammy's body, such as broken bones or marks.
34:20
Speaker 1: Something wasn't sitting well with me, says Schultz. The speed
34:23
Speaker 1: of the funeral. They then transferred the body back to Springville.
34:26
Speaker 1: On the drive there, he talked to Chad's brother-in-law, Jason,
34:29
Speaker 1: about how quickly things with the funeral happened. We both
34:32
Speaker 1: felt like there was a feeling of being rushed through
34:35
Speaker 1: the whole process, Schultz asked Jason. if he thought Chad
34:39
Speaker 1: killed Tammy. Jason is married to Tammy's sister, Samantha. 9.10 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Wixom is done questioning. Pryor is beginning his cross-examination. 9.11 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Schultz says he also knew Chad's parents from the area
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Speaker 1: that they grew up in. Pryor asks about police interviews
34:56
Speaker 1: Schultz did in February 2020. 9.12 a.m. Schultz is talking
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Speaker 1: about Jason William, who is married to Tammy's sister, Samantha William. 9.13 a.m.
35:07
Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Schultz thought Chad was a good guy.
35:09
Speaker 1: He says yes, and hesitantly says he still thinks Chad
35:13
Speaker 1: is a good person. 9.14 a.m. Schultz says he told
35:17
Speaker 1: officers that Chad told him that Tammy had been sick
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Speaker 1: when he woke up to find her dead. Pryor asks
35:22
Speaker 1: if Jason knew that Tammy was dealing with medical issues
35:26
Speaker 1: as well. Schultz says he can't confirm that, so nobody
35:29
Speaker 1: can confirm that she was dealing with medical issues besides
35:33
Speaker 1: Chad Daybell and the kids. and they're sticking to their story.
35:38
Speaker 1: But it's not going to be enough to get Chad
35:40
Speaker 1: Daybell off. 9.15 a.m. Pryor asks Schultz how long he
35:44
Speaker 1: worked as a mortician before retirement. Schultz says 12 years. 9.16 a.m.
35:50
Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Schultz found a problem with a body
35:52
Speaker 1: that would cause concern if he is legally obligated to
35:55
Speaker 1: report that to law enforcement. Schultz says typically not because
35:59
Speaker 1: the coroner or doctor should have looked that over. He
36:02
Speaker 1: says he doesn't know if he would have reported something
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Speaker 1: Under a moral obligation. 9.17 a.m. Pryor says the coroner
36:09
Speaker 1: is the one who makes the final determination on whether
36:12
Speaker 1: there will be an autopsy or not. And Schultz agrees. 9.18 a.m.
36:17
Speaker 1: Pryor suggests the families want to rush the funeral process
36:21
Speaker 1: could be a reaction to grief. Schultz says it's possible.
36:25
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you want to try and
36:27
Speaker 1: frame it that way. But for me, all of the
36:31
Speaker 1: other things that are happening at the same time Makes
36:34
Speaker 1: it very difficult to arrive at any destination. That is
36:37
Speaker 1: not Chad Daybell being guilty. 9.20 a.m. Schultz says he
36:41
Speaker 1: didn't see anything on Tammy's arms, legs, or any other
36:44
Speaker 1: part of her body that caused him any concern. He
36:47
Speaker 1: also says that he has limited medical expertise. 9.21 a.m.
36:52
Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Chad ever hand dug graves. Schultz says
36:55
Speaker 1: nobody does that. They use backhoes, which Chad was authorized
36:59
Speaker 1: to do. 9.22 a.m. Pryor makes a point to confirm
37:04
Speaker 1: that Chad had no experience using a shovel to dig
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Speaker 1: a grave. Schultz agrees with this. Pryor says four of
37:10
Speaker 1: the five Daybell kids spoke at Tammy's funeral as one
37:14
Speaker 1: of them was on a church mission. Chad broke down
37:17
Speaker 1: at the funeral. Schultz says the emotion seemed genuine from
37:20
Speaker 1: his point of view. Well, when you're talking about a squirrely-ass,
37:24
Speaker 1: smarmy-ass snake like Chad Daybell, how do you know what's
37:27
Speaker 1: real and what's not? How do you know what's true
37:29
Speaker 1: and what's not? This dude's out here faking the funk
37:33
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, now all of a sudden, we
37:36
Speaker 1: should believe that these aren't crocodile tears? 9.24am. Pryor says
37:40
Speaker 1: Chad was tugging on his hair from emotion. Schultz says
37:44
Speaker 1: this was a typo in the report, and that Garth
37:46
Speaker 1: was leaning over the casket, showing extreme emotional distress. 9.25am.
37:52
Speaker 1: Pryor suggests Garth and Tammy were particularly close. Schultz says
37:57
Speaker 1: he can't testify to that, but says Tammy was a
37:59
Speaker 1: great mother to all of her children. Schultz says he
38:02
Speaker 1: thought of Chad as a brother. Jason defended Chad when
38:06
Speaker 1: Schultz asked if he thought Chad killed Tammy. Pryor is
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Speaker 1: done with Cross. Wixom is doing redirect. 9.26 a.m. When
38:14
Speaker 1: asked by Schultz if he thought Chad killed Tammy, he said,
38:17
Speaker 1: oh no, never, not him. 9.27 a.m. Schultz says Chad
38:22
Speaker 1: is a good person, but there were red flags. There's
38:25
Speaker 1: obviously the doomsday type thing. After he left Utah, he
38:28
Speaker 1: got involved in a group. Yeah, I would say that's
38:31
Speaker 1: a red flag. Anybody who's running around telling you they're
38:33
Speaker 1: a prophet, they're using portals, they're going to leave 144,000,
38:36
Speaker 1: they're bullshitting you, okay? I know, breaking news, but they're
38:41
Speaker 1: telling you lies. 9.28 a.m. Schultz says the group Chad
38:47
Speaker 1: was a part of thought the Deer Creek Dam in Provo,
38:49
Speaker 1: Utah was going to break and Utah County would be flooded.
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Speaker 1: Things he saw as red flags. 9.30 a.m. Schultz was
38:57
Speaker 1: concerned if they rushed the funeral. The newspapers wouldn't have
39:00
Speaker 1: time to run the obituary to tell people when the
39:03
Speaker 1: funeral was going to be. Wixom asked about Chad being
39:06
Speaker 1: comfortable around death. Schultz says he would have to be.
39:09
Speaker 1: Chad is an author. He has written books about death
39:12
Speaker 1: and dying as well. He's not squeamish about anything as
39:15
Speaker 1: far as being around a dead person, although it must
39:17
Speaker 1: have been traumatic for him to be around his wife
39:20
Speaker 1: like that. 9.32 a.m. Wixom is done with redirect, and
39:24
Speaker 1: Pryor asks more questions. Pryor asks if someone writes books
39:28
Speaker 1: about death If that means they are coming. with death.
39:31
Speaker 1: Schultz asks him to rephrase. Just because someone writes books
39:34
Speaker 1: about topics that make people uncomfortable, does that mean they
39:37
Speaker 1: are comfortable with death? Schultz says it depends on the person.
39:41
Speaker 1: Schultz has been released from the stand. Neither side will
39:44
Speaker 1: recall him. 9.33 a.m. The state is called Ron Arnold. 9.35 a.m.
39:51
Speaker 1: Arnold says he met Chad and Tammy in their church ward.
39:54
Speaker 1: Chad was his home teacher for three and a half years.
39:57
Speaker 1: Chad and his son Mark visited him on a regular basis. 9.36 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Arnold says he works as a real estate broker for
40:05
Speaker 1: Ron Arnold Realty in Rexburg. Ingrid Beatty asked Arnold about
40:09
Speaker 1: September 21st, 2019. He showed Chad the property that day
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Speaker 1: at 100 East, 190 North in Salem, Idaho. David Warwick,
40:18
Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, and Alex Cox were also there. 9.37 a.m.
40:23
Speaker 1: Chad did not buy the property. On October 19, 2019,
40:27
Speaker 1: Arnold received a call from his bishop that said Tammy
40:30
Speaker 1: had died. Arnold immediately went to Chad and Tammy's house.
40:33
Speaker 1: He says Chad, some of the kids, were there in
40:36
Speaker 1: different rooms. Arnold says Chad seemed distraught. 9.30 a.m. Arnold
40:41
Speaker 1: did not ask Chad how Tammy died, but he attended
40:44
Speaker 1: the memorial service in Rexburg a few days after her death.
40:48
Speaker 1: At the memorial service, he spoke to Chad, who said
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Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be living in the house and
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Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable living there. So he was going to
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Speaker 1: be staying in Rexburg with a friend. He also said
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Speaker 1: he was going to go to Hawaii to help a
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Speaker 1: friend do a biography. He did not identify the friend. 9.41 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Arnold met Lori Vallow in November of 2019 when Chad
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Speaker 1: asked if he could bring his new wife to his
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Speaker 1: house to meet. The Daybell's kids were already planning to
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Speaker 1: go to the Arnold's house for dinner. Arnold asked Lori
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Speaker 1: the normal questions you'd ask someone you don't know. Lori
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Speaker 1: told him that she has seven kids. 9.44 a.m. Arnold
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Speaker 1: says Chad and Lori were not there that long. The
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Speaker 1: next time he heard from Chad was around March 16, 2020.
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Speaker 1: Chad had called Arnold and asked to meet with him,
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Speaker 1: but he did not say why. Chad met with Arnold
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Speaker 1: and drove around while they spoke. Arnold says he asked
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Speaker 1: Chad the questions. That probably everyone else would ask about
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Speaker 1: where are the kids and why haven't you told anybody?
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Speaker 1: At that point, Lori was in jail and there was
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Speaker 1: a large search for Tylee and JJ. 9.45 a.m. Chad
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Speaker 1: asked Arnold if he could split his property and put
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Speaker 1: another home on it. He said he wanted to put
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Speaker 1: another home on his property because he was going to
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Speaker 1: need a place for him and Lori to live as
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Speaker 1: fast as possible. 9.46 a.m. When asked about the kids,
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Speaker 1: Arnold says Chad looked me straight in the eye and
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Speaker 1: he told me that they were okay. And when everything
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Speaker 1: came out, everything was going to be just fine. Beatty
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Speaker 1: is done questioning and Pryor is beginning the cross-examination. 9.47 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor asks Arnold to describe a church ward. Arnold says
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Speaker 1: it's a geographical area inside a stake inside the Church
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Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A stake is bigger
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Speaker 1: than a ward and is based on numbers in a
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Speaker 1: geographic area. Pryor asks about the Henry's Fork Ward. Arnold
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Speaker 1: says it's the Rexburg Henry Fork Steak that has multiple
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Speaker 1: wards in it. 9.50 a.m. Pryor asks if the church
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Speaker 1: in Salem is used for free internet access. Arnold says no,
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Speaker 1: the internet is really bad. Pryor asks about September 21st, 2019.
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Speaker 1: Arnold says he was in church with Chad that morning. 9.51 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Arnold says the church service was two hours, but there
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Speaker 1: were meetings for leaders. before and things to do after church.
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Speaker 1: Arnold was there for three to four hours. Pryor asks
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Speaker 1: if Chad would have been able to leave and meet
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Speaker 1: with someone before Arnold picked him up to look at
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Speaker 1: the property that day. Arnold says he was not with Chad.
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Speaker 1: Eye-to-eye contact the entire time at church, so he doesn't know. 9.52 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor asks about a man named Keith. Arnold says he
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Speaker 1: was helping Keith find a home or a piece of
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Speaker 1: property to build a home on. Keith was interested in
43:33
Speaker 1: the same property as Chad. Chad called Arnold and said
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Speaker 1: that David Warwick was interested in buying property in the
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Speaker 1: Salem area. 9.53 a.m. Arnold tried to get Chad to
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Speaker 1: wait until Monday, but Chad said the people who wanted
43:47
Speaker 1: the property were only going to be there until Monday.
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Speaker 1: So Arnold reluctantly agreed to go show that property after
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Speaker 1: church sometime afternoon. 9.55 a.m. Alex showed up in his car,
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Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb and David Warwick showed up together, and Chad
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Speaker 1: and Arnold showed up together. They were only there for
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Speaker 1: 15 minutes. Warwick indicated he was looking in the area
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Speaker 1: to do some developing. 9.56 a.m. Arnold did not look
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Speaker 1: into Warwick's financial ability to buy the property. Arnold says
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Speaker 1: it cost around $ 700, 000 at the time. 9.58 a.m. Arnold
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Speaker 1: seems irritated by Pryor. Pryor asks if Arnold looked into
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Speaker 1: Warwick's financial standing, and he responds, My Pryor, I did
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Speaker 1: not know who was coming. He says he didn't see
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Speaker 1: the relevance of Pryor's questions for him. Pryor says that's
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Speaker 1: up to the judge to decide, not you and me. 9.59 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Arnold went to a restaurant with Chad
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Speaker 1: and David Warwick the following Monday. Arnold says he doesn't remember.
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Speaker 1: 10 a.m. Arnold says he had never been inside the
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Speaker 1: house before he went to Tammy's death. Pryor asks if
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Speaker 1: he was familiar with the property, and Arnold says he
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Speaker 1: knew about the acreage. Pryor asks about the acreage of
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Speaker 1: the property and what it is, and Arnold responds, you
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Speaker 1: own it, how many acres is it? Pryor asks for
45:04
Speaker 1: a sidebar with the judge. 10.02 a.m. Attorneys are back
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom, waiting for Boyce to return. 10.03 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Boyce is back. He says he had a sidebar regarding
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Speaker 1: the last response from Arnold. Boyce says it was an
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Speaker 1: unsolicited response in the case and that it has no
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Speaker 1: relevance to the case. Boyce asks the jury to disregard it.
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Speaker 1: He's referring to Pryor owning Chad Daybell's property. 10.05 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Prior asks Arnold if he thought the children were alive
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Speaker 1: after Chad said they were fine. He says yes. And
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Speaker 1: that Chad seems sincere. Betty objects. Boy sustains. 10.07 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Prior asks if Arnold reserves Sundays for church and family.
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Speaker 1: He says yes. Prior asks if Chad had the same practice.
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Speaker 1: Arnold says everybody does that different. 10.08 a.m. Prior asks
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Speaker 1: about his discussion with Chad in March 2020 and about
45:57
Speaker 1: adding a house to his property. Arnold says the county
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Speaker 1: wouldn't let him split the property, but because there had
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Speaker 1: been a single-wide trailer and septic system, he says the
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Speaker 1: county would probably allow him to put another residence on it.
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Speaker 1: Arnold says the possibility was that Chad wanted to put
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Speaker 1: a mobile home on the property for himself and Lori.
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Speaker 1: Pryor is done with Cross. Beatty asks for a brief sidebar.
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Speaker 1: Boyce calls for the mid-morning recess, back in 20 to
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Speaker 1: 25 minutes. All right, so we're going to close out
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Speaker 1: here as well, and in the next episode, we'll finish
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Speaker 1: up with what went down on day number 12 at
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Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial. All of the information that goes
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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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Speaker 1: this episode, we're getting right back to the Chad Daybell trial,
46:46
Speaker 1: and we're going to pick up where we left off
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Speaker 1: right after the morning recess. Again, this article was published
46:53
Speaker 1: by EastIdahoNews.com, and the author of this article is Caitlin Hart. 10.40 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Attorneys are back without the jurors. Boyce says the fact
47:03
Speaker 1: that Pryor is the owner of Chad's property is true
47:06
Speaker 1: but not relevant to the case. Both sides are not
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Speaker 1: to bring it up again, and jurors are not to
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Speaker 1: keep that in consideration. Jurors are being brought back in.
47:17
Speaker 1: So what the judge means is that's not relevant to
47:19
Speaker 1: what's going on here, so it shouldn't be introduced as evidence.
47:23
Speaker 1: And the jury is to ignore anything that they hear
47:26
Speaker 1: about who owns that property. 1043 a.m. Beatty is back
47:32
Speaker 1: with the redirect. She asks if Arnold, if September 22nd
47:36
Speaker 1: is actually the Sunday, he went to the new property
47:39
Speaker 1: with Chad, David, Melanie, and Alex. He says it's possible.
47:42
Speaker 1: 1044 a.m. Arnold says as a realtor, he can run
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Speaker 1: credit checks on people before he shows them properties, but
47:49
Speaker 1: it's not his usual practice. I mean, I'm not a
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Speaker 1: realtor or anything, but I think that would be my
47:54
Speaker 1: regular practice. I'm not trying to waste my time and
47:57
Speaker 1: show houses and shit to people who don't have the
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Speaker 1: money to pay for it. 10.45 a.m. Beatty asks if
48:03
Speaker 1: Arnold is familiar with placing a manufactured home on a property.
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Speaker 1: He says not all realtors are, but he knows the
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Speaker 1: generalities of it. 10.46 a.m. Arnold asks to place a
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Speaker 1: manufactured home. You have to buy a home, dig a foundation,
48:17
Speaker 1: and hook the home up to a sewer. Beatty asks
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Speaker 1: if Arnold is aware. of what was found on Chad's property.
48:24
Speaker 1: He says yes. 10.47am. Betty asks if he believes there
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Speaker 1: was a different reason for Chad wanting to put a
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Speaker 1: home on the property other than wanting to live there
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Speaker 1: with Lori. Arnold says yes. He is released from the
48:36
Speaker 1: stand and will not be recalled. The whole reason, in
48:40
Speaker 1: my opinion, that he wanted this property was for him
48:43
Speaker 1: and Lori. So he could give his kids the house
48:46
Speaker 1: he already had in Rexburg. and he could, you know,
48:49
Speaker 1: go and gallivant with old Scafusa. And for me, unlike
48:52
Speaker 1: a lot of the other complicated cases that we talk about,
48:55
Speaker 1: this seems to be pretty cut and dry. And in
48:58
Speaker 1: my opinion, there's been nothing that's been introduced thus far
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Speaker 1: that would change my mind. Whereas you flip the script
49:05
Speaker 1: and go down to Delphi, and things are definitely up
49:08
Speaker 1: in the air. 10-14. down there at this point considering
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Speaker 1: how bad the prosecutors have been, but here I have
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Speaker 1: no doubt that Chad Daybell is guilty of the crimes
49:17
Speaker 1: he's charged with. 10.48 a.m. The state has called its
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Speaker 1: next witness, Whitney Arnold. She is Ron Arnold's wife. 10.49 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Whitney is also being questioned by Ingrid Beatty. Whitney says
49:31
Speaker 1: she lives in Sugar City, Idaho and knows Chad Daybell.
49:34
Speaker 1: She points him out in the courtroom. She also knew
49:37
Speaker 1: Tammy as a friend, acquaintance, and collaborator. We knew each
49:40
Speaker 1: other in many different realms. They went to church together.
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Speaker 1: 1051 a.m. Whitney says she was shocked when she learned
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Speaker 1: that Tammy died. She and Ron went to the house
49:51
Speaker 1: to get answers and offer condolences. Whitney remembers Emma, Leah, Garth, Seth, Chad,
49:57
Speaker 1: and possibly Michaela, Seth's wife, being there. 1052 a.m. Chad
50:04
Speaker 1: was disconnected, according to Whitney. She says she was expecting
50:07
Speaker 1: to see more emotions, but grief shows itself in many
50:10
Speaker 1: different ways. And look, I agree with that. You can't
50:13
Speaker 1: really take too much from the way somebody's acting in
50:16
Speaker 1: the aftermath of tragedy, right? I try to avoid that
50:20
Speaker 1: because you just don't know how people are going to react.
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Speaker 1: And not everybody's you. Not everybody's going to react the
50:25
Speaker 1: way you would or the way you think they should.
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Speaker 1: So I try to be very cognizant of that. And
50:31
Speaker 1: I try to refrain from judging people by the way
50:34
Speaker 1: they act In the aftermath of something like this, Whitney
50:37
Speaker 1: says she asked Chad about considering an autopsy, but Chad
50:40
Speaker 1: said no. She pressed him on it, and he looked
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Speaker 1: at the Daybell children and said, Do you want to know?
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Speaker 1: These girls carry the same DNA as their mother. Don't
50:48
Speaker 1: you want to know if you could prevent something in
50:50
Speaker 1: the future? And Chad said no. And that's exactly where
50:53
Speaker 1: I'm at. If I had some kids, right, and their
50:56
Speaker 1: mom dropped dead, you better damn well believe I'm asking
50:59
Speaker 1: for an autopsy so I know what's up. Do my
51:02
Speaker 1: kids need to worry about this? Is this congenital? Is
51:05
Speaker 1: this something that gets passed down? You know what I mean?
51:07
Speaker 1: But there's no autopsy here. You're not worried. Your wife
51:10
Speaker 1: just drops dead and we're just going to keep it
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Speaker 1: moving and act like everything's a-okay. None of it adds
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Speaker 1: up and certainly none of it makes sense if you're
51:19
Speaker 1: looking at it from the perspective of somebody who's innocent. 10.55 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Whitney says they invited Chad and his children to their
51:27
Speaker 1: house every Monday for dinner after Tammy died. One night
51:31
Speaker 1: in November, Chad asked if he could bring his new wife, Lori.
51:34
Speaker 1: Whitney says she was disappointed and frustrated. I felt like
51:38
Speaker 1: emotionally that was not fair to the kids as they
51:41
Speaker 1: were grieving their mother. I was at odds with him
51:43
Speaker 1: within myself. I never verbalized to him, just recognizing to
51:47
Speaker 1: him where he was at his grieving process, says Whitney.
51:51
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, if me and my lady
51:53
Speaker 1: had mutual friends and then one of her friends ends
51:57
Speaker 1: up passing away and that friend's husband decides he has
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Speaker 1: a new wife and wants to come to the house,
52:02
Speaker 1: you know, three weeks later or whatever? The answer is no, bro.
52:05
Speaker 1: You can be a degenerate, but go do it elsewhere. 10.56 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Lori told Whitney she had seven children that were all
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Speaker 1: out of the home. She was unclear if that meant
52:16
Speaker 1: her own children or combining her own children with Chad's.
52:19
Speaker 1: Beatty is done with questioning and prior declines to question Whitney.
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Speaker 1: She is released from the stand and will not be recalled. 10.57 a.m.
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Speaker 1: The state is called Craig Huff. 10.58 a.m. Beatty is
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Speaker 1: questioning Huff. He lives in Springville, Utah, and knows Chad
52:35
Speaker 1: from being in the same church ward. He says he
52:37
Speaker 1: was friends with Chad. 11 a.m. Huff says he maintained
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Speaker 1: contact with Chad after the Daybells moved in 2015. He
52:45
Speaker 1: remembers Tammy's death in October 2019 and attended the memorial
52:50
Speaker 1: service in Utah. 11.01 a.m. Huff says he talked to
52:54
Speaker 1: Chad at the viewing for Tammy. Chad and Huff both
52:57
Speaker 1: broke down crying, and Chad said Tammy choked to death.
53:01
Speaker 1: Huff says Chad spoke to him about passwords the Saturday
53:04
Speaker 1: after Tammy's funeral in Rexburg, 11.03 a.m. Chad told Huff
53:09
Speaker 1: that a week before Tammy passed away, he got all
53:12
Speaker 1: of the passwords he hadn't been able to have before.
53:15
Speaker 1: According to Chad, he was never part of having passwords
53:18
Speaker 1: for the bank accounts, etc. Chad insinuated it was a miracle.
53:22
Speaker 1: Beatty is done questioning. prior as beginning cross-examination, miracle or planned.
53:28
Speaker 1: And when we look at the whole entire situation in context,
53:31
Speaker 1: I can't help but think that it was planned. All
53:34
Speaker 1: of this was premeditated. And that's what makes him and
53:37
Speaker 1: the Skafuza so disgusting. Every bit of this was planned,
53:41
Speaker 1: from the murder of those children to the murder of
53:44
Speaker 1: Sammy Daybell. 11.04 a.m. At some point, Huff was called
53:49
Speaker 1: as a bishop in the LDS church, and he asked
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Speaker 1: Chad to be his secretary. Chad would make all of
53:54
Speaker 1: his appointments. 11.05 a.m. Huff says he is very familiar
53:58
Speaker 1: with Chad's children. He describes Chad as wonderful. He served
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Speaker 1: in the scouts with my children, was very much involved
54:05
Speaker 1: in the local congregation. Yeah, so is BTK. What does
54:08
Speaker 1: that mean? I don't care how much church you go to.
54:11
Speaker 1: I don't care how many organizations you belong to. How
54:14
Speaker 1: do you conduct yourself when nobody's looking? That's what really matters.
54:19
Speaker 1: And that's what determines what kind of person you really are. 11.06 a.m.
54:23
Speaker 1: Huff says Chad loved being with the youth and being
54:25
Speaker 1: with people. Pryor asks about Chad's personality and Betty objects.
54:29
Speaker 1: Voice overrules. Huff agrees that Chad wanted to serve the
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Speaker 1: church in a strong way. 11.08 a.m. Pryor asks Huff
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Speaker 1: if he is aware that Tammy did the finances for
54:40
Speaker 1: the Daybells Publishing Company. Huff says yes. Pryor suggests Chad
54:44
Speaker 1: was the artistic side. Huff agrees and categorizes the books
54:48
Speaker 1: as non-fiction, but at the beginning of the books, he
54:51
Speaker 1: always says, this is my opinion. 11.09 a.m. Huff says
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Speaker 1: Chad's books were his theories. Pryor asks if Tammy was
54:58
Speaker 1: primarily responsible for the finances, and Huff says he doesn't know.
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Speaker 1: When a check was written, Tammy wrote the check. 11.10 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Huff says Chad's grief about Tammy was genuine during the viewing. 11.11 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor is done questioning. Beatty is doing redirect. 11.12 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Betty asks if Chad's sincerity of emotion. Huff says he
55:19
Speaker 1: learned Chad had remarried and was shocked. Huff says, after
55:23
Speaker 1: everything that followed, I love Chad as a friend and
55:27
Speaker 1: I want to feel that his emotions were sincere. But
55:29
Speaker 1: there were always those questions that you have. And how
55:32
Speaker 1: could you not? Put yourself in his position and have
55:37
Speaker 1: your friend come up to you after all of this
55:39
Speaker 1: went down and says, oh, I have a new wife.
55:41
Speaker 1: I'm going to Hawaii. Pretty sure you'd have a few
55:44
Speaker 1: questions about what's going on. 11.13 a.m. Beatty is done
55:50
Speaker 1: with redirect and Huff is released from the stand. He
55:53
Speaker 1: will not be recalled. Boyce is called a sidebar. 11.15 a.m.
55:58
Speaker 1: Attorneys and Judge Boyce are back in the courtroom. The
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Speaker 1: state has called Principal Rich Garner to the stand. 11.17 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Garner works at Central Elementary School in Sugar City, Idaho. 11.18 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Garner says he worked with Tammy Daybell. She was a librarian,
56:14
Speaker 1: but she also helped organize the computer lab. Garner says
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Speaker 1: she was very good with computers. She covered lunchroom duty,
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Speaker 1: outside duty, and in the lunchroom, she offered to check
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Speaker 1: the kids in for lunch on her lunch break. So
56:26
Speaker 1: she seems like just a great woman, right? Everything we've
56:29
Speaker 1: heard about Tammy Daybell seems to me that she was
56:32
Speaker 1: a very, very nice woman. Just a lady trying to,
56:35
Speaker 1: you know, get through her day-to-day and take care of
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Speaker 1: her family. And what was her reward for that? Well,
56:41
Speaker 1: her reward was to be murdered by Chad Daybell. 11.19 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Garner says Tammy was always looking for ways to help
56:49
Speaker 1: out and improve. She once asked Garner for approval to
56:53
Speaker 1: put up curtains she made for the computer lab because
56:55
Speaker 1: children were peeking in during recess and distracting the kids.
56:59
Speaker 1: Garner says that she was well-liked at the school. I
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Speaker 1: never heard someone say anything bad about her, ever. 11.21 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Wixom asks Garner about Tammy's physical health. Garner says Tammy
57:10
Speaker 1: did a decent amount of walking back and forth in
57:12
Speaker 1: the school throughout the day. 11.23 a.m. She was busy
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Speaker 1: all day long. The only time I saw her sitting
57:19
Speaker 1: was when she was doing lunch count, says Garner. Wixom
57:22
Speaker 1: asks if Garner ever observed anything about Tammy regarding health concerns.
57:26
Speaker 1: Garner says no. She appeared to be healthy. She was
57:29
Speaker 1: really active, energetic, happy all day. 11.24 a.m. Garner says
57:36
Speaker 1: Tammy never needed time off. He doesn't recall her taking
57:39
Speaker 1: any sick days. Garner says he knew Tammy went to
57:42
Speaker 1: Zumba with other teachers and her daughter and saw her
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Speaker 1: at a running race. 11.25 a.m. On September 7, 2019,
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Speaker 1: Garner was working in his yard and heard music at
57:54
Speaker 1: a local park. He and his wife rode their bikes
57:57
Speaker 1: and saw a running race was happening. They saw Tammy
58:00
Speaker 1: and her daughter Emma crossing the finish line after a 5K.
58:04
Speaker 1: He went over and talked to them and said Tammy
58:07
Speaker 1: looked like someone who ran a 5K. She was just Tammy.
58:10
Speaker 1: Tammy said she was there to support Joe, Emma's husband,
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Speaker 1: who was sponsoring the race to support charity. 11.27 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Garner says there was no reason for him to believe
58:20
Speaker 1: Tammy wasn't healthy. He coached cross-country and track, and he
58:24
Speaker 1: says he had no concerns about Tammy and Emma. So
58:27
Speaker 1: this is just building their case, right? That Tammy wasn't sick.
58:31
Speaker 1: That Tammy was a relatively healthy person, and there's no
58:35
Speaker 1: way that she just dropped dead. 11.28 a.m. Garner says
58:39
Speaker 1: Tammy's neighbor texted him we lost Tammy when she died
58:42
Speaker 1: and he thought that meant she had taken another job.
58:45
Speaker 1: He then found out that she died. 11.30 a.m. Garner
58:49
Speaker 1: says he was shocked and stunned to learn Tammy died.
58:52
Speaker 1: I thought she must have been in a car accident
58:54
Speaker 1: or something because I didn't know why she would pass away.
58:57
Speaker 1: Garner says he wanted to reach out to Tammy's daughter
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Speaker 1: Emma as she used to work at the school too. 11.31 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Garner and his wife went to the home to find Emma.
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Speaker 1: He remembers knocking on the screen door and Emma opening it.
59:10
Speaker 1: the door. She just took a small step down to
59:12
Speaker 1: where I was at and collapsed on my shoulder. Garner
59:15
Speaker 1: says Emma was weeping. 11.32 a.m. Emma invited them into
59:19
Speaker 1: the house, where the Garners spoke with her about taking
59:22
Speaker 1: time off and helping her through the tough time. Garner
59:25
Speaker 1: says he scanned the room and saw some of the
59:27
Speaker 1: other children and Chad. Garner says Chad was just standing there.
59:31
Speaker 1: He asked Chad what he could do to help and
59:33
Speaker 1: it came up that Tammy's body was already in Springville. 11.33 a.m.
59:38
Speaker 1: Garner says he wanted to know when the funeral was
59:41
Speaker 1: because he knew of all his teachers would like to
59:43
Speaker 1: go and he was trying to figure out if it
59:45
Speaker 1: was on a weekend so they could all go. Chad
59:48
Speaker 1: said it was going to be on a Tuesday in
59:50
Speaker 1: Utah and Garner said they would love to do something
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Speaker 1: in Idaho because so many people love Tammy and want
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Speaker 1: to honor her. 11.35 a.m. Garner was concerned about having
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Speaker 1: a memorial during the weekend so teachers could go, but
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Speaker 1: didn't know how the school would be staffed if the
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Speaker 1: funeral was only on a Tuesday. Chad said, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to inconvenience or put anybody out. Chad said there
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Speaker 1: was a possibility of doing something in Idaho and that
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Speaker 1: he would check. 11.37 a.m. Eventually, Chad called Garner and
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Speaker 1: they planned to do a memorial service for Tammy on
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Speaker 1: Wednesday at 1 p.m. in Idaho. The school board voted
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Speaker 1: to close the school that day. 11.39 a.m. Garner received
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Speaker 1: a text close to Wednesday about who would speak at
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Speaker 1: the service, what songs would play, etc. Wixom is clarifying
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Speaker 1: who sent the text, and Garner says he thinks it
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Speaker 1: was Emma. He says he was surprised that the family
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Speaker 1: wanted him to arrange everything. 11.40 a.m. Garner says Chad
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Speaker 1: did not help with the logistics of the memorial service
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Speaker 1: in Idaho. Wixom is done questioning and Pryor begins cross-examinations. 11.42 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Garner says he was interviewed by police in May of 2020.
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Speaker 1: Pryor says he noticed in the interview that Garner said
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Speaker 1: Emma and Tammy were thick and tight. Garner says that
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Speaker 1: meant they were mother and daughter, colleagues and friends. Garner
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Speaker 1: says they were very close. 11.43 a.m. Pryor suggests Garner
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Speaker 1: told police he didn't know anything about Tammy outside of
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Speaker 1: school regarding her home life. Garner says he was not
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Speaker 1: very aware of that. Pryor asked about the 5K race
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Speaker 1: and Emma's husband, Joe, being the organizer of it. Garner
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Speaker 1: agrees that Joe would know who participated in the race
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Speaker 1: and confirms he says Tammy and Emma crossed the finish line. 11.45
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Speaker 1: AM Garner agrees that Emma's grief was genuine at the
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Speaker 1: Daybell house and says Chad was stoic. Pryor asks if
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Speaker 1: Daybell was trying to be strong. Garner says he doesn't know. 11.47
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Speaker 1: AM Pryor suggests Tammy would come to work sick and
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Speaker 1: try not to let on that she wasn't feeling well.
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Speaker 1: Wixom objects that Pryor is testifying. Boyce sustains. 11.48 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Tammy was about to get a bump
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Speaker 1: in her life insurance. State objects. Boyce sustains. Pryor is
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Speaker 1: done questioning, and Wixom is doing redirect. 11.49 a.m. Wixom
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Speaker 1: asks if Garner is being asked to recall things from
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Speaker 1: five years ago, and if that could impact his memory.
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Speaker 1: Garner says yes. 11.50 a.m. Wixom asks if Garner saw
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Speaker 1: Joe at the 5K. Pryor objects. Boyce overrules. Garner says
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Speaker 1: he did see Joe at the 5K over by the
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Speaker 1: timing van for the race. Wixom is done with redirect
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Speaker 1: and Garner is released from the stand. The state might
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Speaker 1: recall him. 11.51 a.m. Boyce says the state is requesting
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Speaker 1: that court be done for the day because the next
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Speaker 1: witness will be lengthy and they could come fresh in
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Speaker 1: on a Monday. Court's done for the day and Nate
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Speaker 1: Eaton will be back on Monday. All right, folks, so
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Speaker 1: there it is. Day number 12 at the Chad Daybell
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Speaker 1: trial and things are still not going great. for Mr. Stunod.
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Speaker 1: And I expect that things are just going to get
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Speaker 1: worse as the prosecution continues to lay that foundation. But
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Speaker 1: we'll be here every step of the way, documenting what
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Speaker 1: goes down in the courtroom as the state of Idaho
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Speaker 1: looks to slam the hammer down on Chad Daybell. All
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Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
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Speaker 1: found in the description box.