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  Speaker 2: All right, Welcome the Patriots unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 2: at Gillette Stadium, and of course we get closer and
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  Speaker 2: closer to the draft. It's silly season with all the
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  Speaker 2: rumors and JJ McCarthy rising up. But I think the
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  Speaker 2: headline today has to be the passing of O. J. Simpson.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I guess he had cancer, didn't know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: his last post on social was in February, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: chances are it was, you know, so like, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sad about it, obviously, but I think it's sort of
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  Speaker 2: a it marks, you know, something in American pop culture history.
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  Speaker 2: Sports it it you know, traverses a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 2: different silos in our country.
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  Speaker 7: And now now he's on yeah, uh kind of shout.
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  Speaker 7: My dad worked it for Wilson Sporting Goods up in Buffalo,
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  Speaker 7: went back when he was at his prime, and so
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  Speaker 7: my dad had interactions with him. I think he actually
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  Speaker 7: my uncle had like a signed football of him. But
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  Speaker 7: and then he was really hilarious and they get gun too, Like,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it was just and I think everybody remembers
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  Speaker 7: probably where they were when the when the whole car
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  Speaker 7: chase too. I mean I remember coming back from a
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  Speaker 7: summer hockey game at Babson and you know what was
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  Speaker 7: going on, and just you know, one of those before
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  Speaker 7: cable news really existed. It was one of those all
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  Speaker 7: of a sudden, we're live following this and I don't
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  Speaker 7: really remember anything like that before that.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the Prudential Center mall. You know, they
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  Speaker 2: have that mall there, and I think it's legal Seafood.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of open, and they had all the TVs
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  Speaker 2: up and walk by and see this white bronco and
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  Speaker 2: what's going on And you see the lower third and wow,
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  Speaker 2: they're chasing they're chasing OJ.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And I lived in La I kind of did
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  Speaker 7: like the the OJ tour, you know, like drove through
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  Speaker 7: Brentwood and I mean obviously he was going on the
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  Speaker 7: four or five. But the restaurant that they that they
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  Speaker 7: ate at that Ron Goldman and and and Nicole right,
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  Speaker 7: Nicole Simpson ate at the Little Mexican Place in Venice.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's just you know, I don't know, you
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  Speaker 7: like that, that kind of true crime stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 7: So no end of an era though, Yeah yeah, oh Jay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: Like I said, it's not something like we're sad about
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  Speaker 7: I'm not, but it is something.
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  Speaker 2: It it's notable.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a couple of good documentaries too out there
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  Speaker 7: of you know, yeah, I think he did it.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, here's another one like if he hadn't
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  Speaker 2: done that, like his life would have been.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I mean he celebrated I probably at least
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  Speaker 7: two or three more naked gun movies.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was one of the greatest running backs
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  Speaker 2: of all time and pitch Man, you know, yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: was the Peyton Manning of his day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know he had he was in the
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  Speaker 3: midst of a tremendous post playing career. Yeah, that obviously
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  Speaker 3: is completely gone. Because I agree with you. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how you can sit here and have any degree
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  Speaker 3: of Yeah, you know, maybe it's a good day for
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  Speaker 3: the old man's you know, I don't. I don't even that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it helps them at all.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not, Like you'll never have a hard time sitting
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  Speaker 3: here trying to tell you what we lost a great
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  Speaker 3: running back today.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't have You wonder if they still wondered
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  Speaker 7: something would come out that they would nail him finally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, maybe that is his bust still in
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  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, Canton, I believe.
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  Speaker 7: So I saw a statement that, you know, his legacy
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  Speaker 7: on the football field will remain that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you bother?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't really understand. I think the Heisman Trophy
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  Speaker 3: did something similar. I don't know why you would feel
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  Speaker 3: like we need to do that exactly like anything.
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  Speaker 7: Right, So Reggie Bush lost his who lost their hesan
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  Speaker 7: Reggie Reggie Bush lost his Heisman over like his mom
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  Speaker 7: getting money and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, over stuff that's legal right now, easily, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah. So I don't get Canton or the Heisman
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  Speaker 2: Commission doing that. I don't know. I have the bills
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  Speaker 2: done it, I'm serious. Have they done anything? You know?
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  Speaker 7: I mean they're trying to raise money, I probably for
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  Speaker 7: their stadium anything.
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  Speaker 2: Because last the last time I remember, they still had
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  Speaker 2: his name up around their ring of ring honor. I
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  Speaker 2: think so I would have taken that sucker down. I'm sorry. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I guess innocent until proven guilty, and he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't proven. You know, he was proven guilty in civil court,
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  Speaker 2: but not in criminal court.
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  Speaker 7: That's another thing that I really we all know he did, right,
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  Speaker 7: I Mean I remember in high school and we would
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  Speaker 7: do you know, morning meetings and we would do updates
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  Speaker 7: on like the trial, and you know, the the gloves
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  Speaker 7: doesn't fit, you have to quit. I mean, it's just
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  Speaker 7: it was. I mean, now we're so overwhelmed by news
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  Speaker 7: constantly that everything is just news and it's always going
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  Speaker 7: and that was just one of those things that was
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  Speaker 7: standard stood by itself like that was you know, just
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  Speaker 7: a kind of a precursor almost to what was to come,
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  Speaker 7: and certainly was worthy of it with it being a
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  Speaker 7: star that was you know, accused of murder. But you know,
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  Speaker 7: now it's feels like that's a constantly on their trial
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  Speaker 7: on all the time and breaking news all the time,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, I mean, living in La the car
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  Speaker 7: chases like every other week. You know, then they go
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  Speaker 7: right into them like yeah, I don't know what it
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  Speaker 7: was like before OJ, but that that happens a lot
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  Speaker 7: out there.
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  Speaker 2: So that's OJ. And then of course, you know, no,
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  Speaker 2: less important here, probably more important here is the draft.
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  Speaker 2: And we've been discussing ongoing conversation here. Anything changed for
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  Speaker 2: you since Tuesday?
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  Speaker 3: So let me ask you guys. Okay, no, I don't
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  Speaker 3: really have I don't have much of a take, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm just curious how much stock you guys are putting
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  Speaker 3: in the JJ McCarthy stuff, specifically for us the Patriots.
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  Speaker 7: I was actually talking to Evan about it. Were kind
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  Speaker 7: of joking Evan. Evan doesn't like JJ McCarthy very much
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  Speaker 7: at all.
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  Speaker 3: But that's I mean, it's sort of irrelevant to what
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  Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, yeah, you really think that the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: I have strong interest.
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  Speaker 7: I would say my feeling would be yes, but in
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  Speaker 7: like the early second round, like you know, like that's
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  Speaker 7: where it would make sense to me to take a
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  Speaker 7: chance on him. But I just think there's too many unknowns,
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  Speaker 7: and that's what I kind of keep going back to
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  Speaker 7: at third. Overall, they this organization needs a slim dick.
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  Speaker 7: I don't care what position.
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  Speaker 2: I did print out the Dane Brugler Beast, the whole
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  Speaker 2: thing yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted, did you break the printer?
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  Speaker 2: I printed the whole thing black and white.
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  Speaker 3: I want to come up then and make some cop
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  Speaker 3: I did print.
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  Speaker 7: Actually I have with me because we're going to record
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  Speaker 7: the quarterbacks segment. I did print the quarterbacks. I thought
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  Speaker 7: those were more interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, he's got JJ McCarthy is the fourth
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  Speaker 2: quarterback get a copy of your copy, because that's really all. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's got JJ McCarthy is number four. And I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about it like every year, like there's the end
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  Speaker 2: of college season sort of thinking on these guys, and
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  Speaker 2: then the silly season starts and guys start to shift.
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  Speaker 2: But then almost invariably, what we thought originally is what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Right, you know, that's the theory. It doesn't really change
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot, right internally within the league.
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  Speaker 2: Yeh, unless the guy gets caught on film.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's a different that's a different thing. But like
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  Speaker 3: whatever the league felt about everything is generally the way
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  Speaker 3: it turns out come draft time. Right along the way,
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  Speaker 3: the media goes up and down and we ride through
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  Speaker 3: all the different rumors. But I think in general Fred's right.
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  Speaker 2: And so if that's the case this time, I would
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  Speaker 2: answer to your question. I would say no, I would
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  Speaker 2: say they're not considering him at number three. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: that's just me.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, he's he mean, he's got that thing that's
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  Speaker 7: you know, he's just an incredible leader, and it's so
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  Speaker 7: hard to quantify that as a professional. And I mean
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  Speaker 7: and looking back, I mean, the kid has lost like
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  Speaker 7: three or four games ever in football. I mean it's
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  Speaker 7: just a scene like that's what the record is.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of I mean for some people it's not
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  Speaker 2: new information. But for me, it was like he came
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  Speaker 2: into Michigan and on like day one said I'm here
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  Speaker 2: to turn this program around. I'm here to bring it back.
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  Speaker 2: He was telling teammates, if you're here to chase women
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  Speaker 2: and party, see you later, Like that's what he was saying.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean that means something to me. I mean
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  Speaker 2: he's hard of one, but also but also he has
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  Speaker 2: that attitude like Brady, where you know, he's here to
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  Speaker 2: do one thing and that's when Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it seems like it, but I again, like
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  Speaker 7: you know, look at Trevor Lawrence right, like he never
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  Speaker 7: had lost really any games coming into you know, and
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  Speaker 7: so it doesn't really it's not really him. Like I mean, tea,
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  Speaker 7: every team plays really hard and they win around.
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  Speaker 3: I like Fred's you know, Fred talking about the intangibles,
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  Speaker 3: which I do think irrelevant. You know, when you know,
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  Speaker 3: if he had that kind of a mindset, he was
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  Speaker 3: that kind of a leader, I think all that's important. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not really interested in the guy's high school rerecord.
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  Speaker 3: I heard someone talk here he won because he he
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  Speaker 3: had like his regular high school. He was like Nazareth
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  Speaker 3: High School. Then he went to IMG he won there.
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  Speaker 3: He won it. Well, no kidding, he's a big time recruit.
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  Speaker 3: How many games you think they lose? You know, we
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  Speaker 3: had a great high school quarterback who's lucky if he's
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  Speaker 3: going to play Division III. He didn't lose any games either. Like,
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  Speaker 3: when you're a really good high school quarterback at that level,
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  Speaker 3: how many games are you losing in high school?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 3: You know? Okay, so he went to Michigan and in
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  Speaker 3: two years he lost one game. Great, that's I mean
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  Speaker 3: that that's a factor. But I just think that people
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  Speaker 3: over overrate this stuff. Exact that kind of thing. The
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  Speaker 3: stuff you were talking af Fred, I think is valuable.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that he has that kind of a mentality.
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  Speaker 2: I like that, you know. So, And then I heard
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  Speaker 2: them talking this morning. In the cases of Caleb Williams,
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  Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, and Drake May, there's no doubt that they
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  Speaker 2: were the best football player on their team. They were
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  Speaker 2: the best player on the team. With JJ McCarthy, it's unsure,
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  Speaker 2: it's unclear.
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  Speaker 3: I heard I think I heard Berth this morning say,
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  Speaker 3: that's what I was listening to. Has has how many
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  Speaker 3: games has did Michigan win the last two years where
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  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy was the best player, whereas pretty much every
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  Speaker 3: game that North Carolina when USC had to win probably
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  Speaker 3: uh for two years, was because they were the best
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  Speaker 3: player in the field. But but then, but then he said,
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  Speaker 3: but Daniels probably also hasn't had a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you go back to the JJ McCarty thing,
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  Speaker 2: is well, how many games did he have to be
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  Speaker 2: the best player on the field? And was he asked
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  Speaker 2: to be the best player in the field? And so
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  Speaker 2: this So that's that's the problem with JJ McCarthy. It's
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  Speaker 2: such a good solid street of my point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know about McCarthy, and I'm with you, guys,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of I'm not necessarily buying the Patriots strong
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  Speaker 3: interest in McCarthy. I'm not necessarily there yet. But this
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  Speaker 3: notion that he's the safe one, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand that either.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean I think he's a safe pick.
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  Speaker 2: He's a safe pick if all you're gonna do is
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  Speaker 2: run the ball.
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  Speaker 3: No, But like, what can I mean if you really
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  Speaker 3: wanted to do that, you can't. You can't draft like
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams and just say you know, I'm not waste. No, absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: But if that's all you want to do, why do
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  Speaker 3: I need to draft? Why do you need to draft
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  Speaker 3: anybody in the first round?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Which is that's that's why I'm anti McCarthy. If
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  Speaker 3: I want a game manager type like in the in
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  Speaker 3: the negative sense, yep, you know, I don't need him
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  Speaker 3: like I can do brock Purty. I can just plug
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  Speaker 3: him in like you know, the the net neutral that
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  Speaker 3: that that Bart and Evan talk about. I don't understand
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  Speaker 3: why what makes JJ McCarthy the safe pick out of
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  Speaker 3: him and Jayden Daniels or him and Michael Pennis, him
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  Speaker 3: and Drake.
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  Speaker 2: Mean today's NFL, you can't get away with that. You've
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  Speaker 2: got to throw the ball. There's no way that you
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  Speaker 2: can dominate the line of scrimmage in the NFL the
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  Speaker 2: way Michigan dominated the line.
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  Speaker 3: Of I agree with all of that, Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in terms of play style, I'm just trying. I'm specifically
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  Speaker 3: wondering what do people think is safer about JJ McCarthy
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  Speaker 3: than Jayden Daniels or any the other quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what's safe about him. I think it's
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  Speaker 7: the unknown about him, and he's he's toolsy, you know,
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  Speaker 7: like he's he's probably and he's that B level quarterback
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  Speaker 7: right now below the top three. I mean, at least
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  Speaker 7: in my mind where I think Pennix and Bonnicks and
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  Speaker 7: you know, those guys kind of have their issues. But
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  Speaker 7: you can look at you know, JJ McCarthy and say
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  Speaker 7: he's athletics. I think it's the biggest run. But he's
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  Speaker 7: the biggest risk because you don't really know for sure.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you can talk yourself into him, you know.
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  Speaker 7: It's almost like if mac Jones was super athletic and
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  Speaker 7: didn't really play with anybody, you know, and it's like
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  Speaker 7: there's something there.
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  Speaker 2: He wins a lot. But so let's just say you're
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  Speaker 2: a scout personnel guy, Elliott Wolf whoever, you know what
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  Speaker 2: he can do? What what are you looking for in
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  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy that can tell you, all right, he's worth
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  Speaker 2: taking the risk on. And I agree it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a risk. But like to me, the answer would be
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  Speaker 2: how smart is he? Is he coachable? Like so like
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  Speaker 2: one of the knocks on him is everything's a fastball,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's you know, every He doesn't really have
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  Speaker 2: touch yet, so I would be looking for, you know,
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  Speaker 2: can he can he process fast? And can he learn
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  Speaker 2: to you know, uh, moderate his his his touch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not telling you he can.
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  Speaker 2: But he's got that. Like you said, he's got the tools.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't think he has as good as
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  Speaker 3: tools as the other guys do.
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  Speaker 2: No, but he might have that. You know, Brady didn't
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  Speaker 2: either coming out of college, according.
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  Speaker 3: To I'm not telling I'm not giving you the reasons
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  Speaker 3: why he can't play. I think there's a chance that
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  Speaker 3: he could play, absolutely, But what I don't get is
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  Speaker 3: the idea that somehow, if you want to you want
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  Speaker 3: to avoid that that real bust because because his floor
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  Speaker 3: is hot, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: But if there's some way to determine that between he
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  Speaker 2: may and Daniels, he's the smartest. JJ McCarthy is the
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  Speaker 2: smartest in terms of processing understand the game. Maybe that
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  Speaker 2: does tilt, you know, the scales in his favor.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe I just don't think for the Patriots. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: Paul said the term high floor, and I just I'm
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  Speaker 7: not interested in that this year. I mean I just
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  Speaker 7: I think that they would be better off, you know,
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  Speaker 7: they'd be better off taking Joe alt at three then
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  Speaker 7: you know, to put all their ducks in the row
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  Speaker 7: with with JJ McCarthy and hope that it works out.
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  Speaker 7: I don't. I don't see the safe pick to him
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  Speaker 7: at all.
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  Speaker 3: I mean feel the same way. And again, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: telling you that I'm against J. J. McCarthy as a prospect.
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  Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I mean, I think there's an element of unknown,
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  Speaker 3: like everybody said, but I don't understand this is widespread
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: now like the Patriots might like him because it's less
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: like it's going to be less pressure on the new
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: regime because he's safer.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna and I don't like I've heard
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: it on you know a lot of my shows, right,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I've heard it on NBC Sports Boston with with Michael Holly.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: I've heard it with Zoe a little bit.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Well, did anyone ask him why is why do you
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: think he's safe that? Well?
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm like, this is kind of too those
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: are hearing these McCarthy.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again this isn't I'm not making fun of
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: those who are on the McCarthy train. I'm just wondering
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: what about I think that there's an element of risk
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: with all these guys. I think, you know, you come
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: into the league, there's no way you can know for
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: certain how these guys are going to translate, right, Otherwise
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: they would never make the amount of mistakes that they
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: do with all positions, not just quarterbacks, but especially quarterbacks.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: And what makes this guy safe? And I did I
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: heard a lot of this with Mac Jones that I
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: didn't understand. You know, he's the safe guy.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: You know, we're not going to ask him to do
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: it with the other and.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Wildly more talented than Mac Jones like McCarthy. In fairness,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I do not think that he's you know, as my
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: buddy Murray says, Midwest Mac, I don't think that's really
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: an apt comparison at all. McCarthy has far more cleticism
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: in skills, yep.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Just in terms of arm strength, running ability. Yeah, because
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: numbers wise, you can't even compare Mac kills him right
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: in the numbers column, yep.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: You know, But again it goes back to Mac playing
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: with an all star team and you know, and JJ
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: certainly his team was solid and in the style of offense,
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: but the style, style of offense, the way that they
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: asked him. I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to him
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: like late first round, early second. I just think the
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: talk of him being a top ten guy and someone
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: that the Patriots considered.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Taken a guy at three. It's a guy that you
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: think can be, you know, special.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Get a freaking star if you could, if you could
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: guarantee to me that they could trade down, get everything
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: else they need and get him, I'd be a lot
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: more interested than picking him at three.
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, you know, I mean me too. I mean
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: that's you know, I don't know. We me and I
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: have been talking a lot about him the last couple
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: of days of just you know, like, how realistic is it?
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: Does it even make sense that the like, because I
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: just think he's a he's a mid round first round pick.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: I think some team will take the cheese and I
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: will take the by fifteen. Yeah, yeah, see that, And
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: that's I don't get it. That's crazy to me, that's crazy.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: But I mean you can see some of the some
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: of the skills. It's just I don't know. We having
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: done it with Mac, we've been here before, and I
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: just I'd rather miss on a high ceiling guy and
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: take a big swing than to try to play it
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: safe and you know, get a guy who But is the.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Problem with McCarthy's is the dilemma. Yeah, with McCarthy's, we
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: don't know just how high a ceiling is, Like we
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: don't like, I don't know. I mean, it's never like
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: he's not done what he's been asked to do, but
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: he's just not been asked to do it right.
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, But I also think he would have seen glimpses though, Like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: and it's just kind of the same way I feel
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: about Mac. Like, even if you want to blame the
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: surrounding circumstances, it's like great quarterbacks still show ways to
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: show what their super talents are. And I just it's
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: hard to think that he's going to get to the
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: NFL and then all of a sudden be this kind
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: of new dynamic player with you know that like you said,
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: is making all the right direct, you know, decisions, is
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: throwing the ball with pace when he has to.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: You know, those kind of things. That's you know, and
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: I hate to.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Him to Brady, But even with Brady at Michigan sharing
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: snaps with Drew Henson. There was you know, the Orange
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Bowl that you could point to of him bringing the
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: team back and putting the team on his shoulders and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: they won because of him.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You know you can't really do that with McCarthy.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think, you know, with Drake May. You know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: I think is everybody's kind of preference. It's like, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: you've seen those glimpses and he's got similar kind of
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: issues that he needs to work through. I mean, the
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: big the word that pops up a lot from from
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: the Beast is is reckless, you know, making reckless decisions
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: and you know that's something that that can hurt you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: But I don't care about Like you got the arm,
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: you got the size, you've got some creativity, you know.
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: I like, let's miss on him, Like it's I just
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: I won't mind missing on Drake May. But I just
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: think if you're gonna take somebody like J. J. McCarthy,
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: you know you want to have him in the mid
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: first run, You're not, it's not that far.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I just want to know what Ben McAdoo thinks.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: Well, So to tie it up right, put a bow
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: on it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: So Drake May, if he's gonna bust. If he can't
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: ever find a level of consistency right, he will not
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: pan out and that will be you know, his downfall.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: He continues to make the kinds of mistakes that we've
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: seen when he tries to do too much in college.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: He continues to do that.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen stays in kind of those first couple of
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: years where it's like.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: We doesn't refine his mechanics, improve his accuracy and avoid
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: you know risk. With McCarthy, it's that he's just not
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: that good, right, Like Fred says, we never got a
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: chance to see it when he had to put the
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: team on his back. And it's not his fault that
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: his conference. And again I touched on this on Tuesday.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: For some reason, the Big Ten is considered, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: on par with the SEC, and all the other leagues aren't.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I don't get it because the Big Ten is so
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: top heavy with two teams to me, two and a
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: half teams. Because I think Penn State is good but
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: not great. The other two teams can play with anybody.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Yeah, I don't really am Zethy.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Clemson won national titles when they were at their heyday
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: in the in the acc the league's still stunk, right,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and no one said anything about Trevor Lawrence right now.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I understand that Drake May is not Trevor Lawrence in college.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: That's not That's not my point. I'm just talking about
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the level of competition hereeah is my point. So one guy,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: he has all the tools, but you got to beat
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: some of the inconsistency out of him. The other guy
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: just might not have it right, So why is that
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: guy safe?
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: I don't get it, And I mean, I think it's
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: worth pointing out that Trevor Lawrence thing too, of how
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: does he react when he gets to a team where
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: it's not just a humming offense that's all built around him,
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: and then everything runs smoothly and he just you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: can play his part. Like you know, it feels like
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: if Drake May comes in here and he sits for
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: a little bit and then he comes in like he's
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: gonna have to deliver some stuff if this team's gonna
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: you know, make that kind of jump. We felt like
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: with Bled Cell, you know a certain point where it's like, Okay,
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: this team's starting to really build around this quarterback. They're
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: starting to believe in him. We're seeing, you know, we're
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: seeing some some evidence that this is headed in the
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: right direction. It's just I think it's a lot to
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: ask of JJ McCarthy to go into a situation where he's,
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: you know, at least on the field, hasn't experienced a
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: ton of you know, adversity. He's pretty much been on
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: the winning end every single game he's taken the field
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: since high school. So you know, what's it look like
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: when his left tackle is a little rookie shaky.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I just, you know, looking looking back at the two
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: seasons he played, I would wonder how many games Michigan
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: played that they legitimately could have lost.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: And my guess is that that number is less than five, right, yep, yeah, yeah, you.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Know, whereas you know, I just I feel like just
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: because like like North Carolina probably could have lost any
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: game in the last two years, Yeah, because they weren't,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: you know, head and shoulders better than the other teams
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: in the league. As evidence, this year they lost some
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: some really mediocre to bad teams like Virginia, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: because they're not that much better than Virginia and and and.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, along this same topic, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: in terms of games they should have won couldn't win.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. I think even though he's the consensus first pick,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: his stock is actually rising, if you can believe that,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: because people are looking back and seeing just how bad
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: they're just how bad their defense was, and like he's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: losing games scoring thirty and forty points when he cried, well, yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you keep bringing that up. But I think you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: people are looking at the games that they lost and say, no,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it wasn't Caleb Williams.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: You know that's not why they lost. He wasn't today
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: with that stat was it? Because I know Fred and
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I both heard the same interviews. Yeah, he went through
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the whole Yet the only time Washington's defense allowed forty
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: two points all year was against USC in a game
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that they won. That happened, that happened to UC like
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: six times.
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think it's uh. I mean, I'm guessing
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: obviously everybody is that he's going to the Bears, but
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: it's gonna be an exciting ride for them.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Like I mean, I think that it's going to be.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: Probably maybe a little bit of rollercoaster early on with him,
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: But again, I think he's worth missing on for the Bears.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: And he's got that you know, special potential talent to
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: just make plays and you know, if he's able to
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: get some good protection and you know, learn to play
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: within their system. I mean, he's got some pieces around.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I just wonder what the Bears think of the other
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: two guys, because if they were, if somebody was willing
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to give them a haul for Caleb Williams, would they
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: do that, because you know what, we can live with
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels, or we can live with Drake.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: May you know, I don't think they would do that.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, I I don't know. The more I've done
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: and I think I said this, but I just like
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: Jade and Daniels scares me more and more like and
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: there's just too many little things. And there's no question
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: he's talented, but it's it's just there's only one Lamar Jackson.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: And I think that, you know, it's it's easy to
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: be like, well, if you kind of can put it
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: all together, it's like Lamar, and it's like only Lamar
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: has kind of combined all those elements.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But he's at this stage in his career. He's a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: better thrower than Lamar.
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but still I think he's you know, he's he's
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: a little bit thinner, he's you know, light, He doesn't
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, it doesn't maybe have the technical issues that
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: you know, Lamar had to work through with his motion
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: and those kind of things, but I don't know, he
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: he scares me a little bit. And again it's you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: it's just a third overall. I just don't think they
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: can afford to miss. I'd rather take brock Bauers.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And just pay.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: We've got a stud tight end. It's it's not going
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: to be great, but you know what I mean, I'd
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: rather just hit on a potential superstar than you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: roll the dice on a quarterback that you don't one
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: hundred percent believe in. And right now, really I believe
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: in May. I would believe in Williams. He's going to
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: be gone. But you know everybody else, I'm kind of like, eh,
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: like I want May, That's.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: What That's what I want. Yeah, And the other thing
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: that we're talking about this morning is the pressure on
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: an organization to play a guy right out of the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: gate when he's you know, a high pick. And the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: only time there isn't pressure is when the team's pretty
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: good already, when you have a Aaron Rodgers already playing,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: or an Alex Smith and you're playoff contender, then there's patience.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: You know, we can wait, we're already in the playoffs,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: but when you're not, and you could say, well, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: should be patient, it's easy to say. But when you
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: see people not showing up at games, you know, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: your sponsors getting a little bit antsy, it's hard to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: not take that new toy out of the box and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: put them out there to generate some excitement.
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: It's you know, I'm just interested to see a rookie
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: in comparison to what we saw from Mac and what
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: I saw from Stidham to his a rookie and this
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: will be, you know, the third rookie quarterback that kind
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: of just had a chance to see. That, to me,
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: will be really fascinating, especially with the pedigree that somebody
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: like May has compared to what macead.
• 26:27
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• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Leave your car home and walk I.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: Know, I know it's parked in Lot four, that's smart.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: But motocross taking up a.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Lot by the movie theater.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: So do you go in E two?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: Actually I found out a little interesting now. Yesterday I
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: was going around. You know, they truck all this and
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: they truck all this dirt in and I was asking him, like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: do they travel with the dirt or you know, do
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: they buy the dirt? And we found out that they
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: actually store the dirt locally motocross like it's more less
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: expensive for them to just have a field somewhere nearby
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: and whenever they go to the city, hey, we got
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: to go pick up our dirt. So probably interesting to
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: know them about me.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I would think there's a whole science behind it,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: because you don't want to bring in dirt from other regions.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: You might contaminate, Yeah, because the air would blow around
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: things and things. Seeds from other areas could come and
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you could get invasive vegetation that isn't supposed.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: To be here.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: The Japanese not weed. You gotta watch out exactly. That's bad.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: There's is grat just a little off season.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Good dirt talk.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: People don't know what we're talking about. The motocross is
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: here followed by a monster jam. It's a lot of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: dirt and yeah, it's tons and truck.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: They both use the same dirt. Though, can you use
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: dirt on a motocross that you also use on a
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: why not dir?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Why not quality of the dirt? But it's It's amazing
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: how quickly they get that track ready.
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, it's a like dirt bikes at little
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: little dirt bike cruise around in the woodswear.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: Never liked these guys with like the power band and stuff.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: You know, it takes off. Never never that intense.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, I digress. All right, all right, so
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: we've got the draft.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: Oj Evan's talking to uh Taki Taki, Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And uh talky TALKI to Taki tak.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, tacky tacky number sixteen in your number sixteen your playbook.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: I don't know about that one.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys are just so pathetic.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: They announced some of the numbers, right, do you want
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: to talk about that?
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: I'd love Gonzales Rezales went to zero?
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: Which other?
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: I mean they you know, put a picture up a
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: Gnzalt me and Paul we're talking. They already got a
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: picture up Gonzalez in the in the lobby. But number six,
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: so they got to they gotta ch planning some Mapu
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: though I think went to fifteen. He wasn't part of
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: the announcement though from us the other night. So yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: some number jiggering. But you know what I was thinking
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: about though, is hard, Like, what are quarterbacks going to
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: do because all these like defensive backs and line everybody's
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: taken zero to twenty, and I mean our quarterbacks allowed
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: to go above nineteen.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Like, I don't I think that's it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: Like quarterbacks are kind of route restricted. There's no number
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: is really.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Available, Paul, what's worse an ils or the number thing
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that they changed all these players.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I don't have any problem with allowing people to wear
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: whatever number they want.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: Okay, I mean you got like ten to thirteen.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: The amount of attention it gets is, you know among
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the media is kind of odd to me.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's exciting, all right. Web radio at patries dot
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: com is the email address. Our phones are still down,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but we did get that piece of equipment, that critical
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: piece of equipment that Matt Morrell needed. So I don't
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: know how long it's gonna take, but at least we've
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: got this stuff in house that we needed to change
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: over our phone system to this new hole.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: Man, we're gonna get some some hot takes when people
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: finally were able to call any gown.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I hope people remember us. Yeah, I mean, right now,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Eldrick is just driving around to talk to the tear
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: coming out of his eyes.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: He's like just hearing us trash. Michael Pennoxy is like
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: getting so road raged out, Like I hope he's okay trashing?
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: No, no, but yeah he's fine.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Let's see Connor in Narragansett, Rhode Island, right, Sin. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: haven't seen really seen this mentioned, but I don't think
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: it's that bad an idea. If the Patriots do not
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: love any of the top quarterbacks, what do you think
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: about trading down to six with the Giants getting their
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: first two picks this year, their first next year in
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, See what you can get out of him
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: for a year and go from there.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: No, do what at sicks? Well, you get all those picks, neighbors, you.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Get a tackle, you get neighbors.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: So how many how many picks in addition to their
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: starting quarterback? Are you getting to move down three spots?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: You're getting in another first this year and one next year?
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: What are their what is their second pick this year too?
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: He said the first two picks? Is that a first?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say there was more than that. There
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: was more than that that he put in that email.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: I've seen enough of downly Jones and those joint practices'
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: that's just a waste of time.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dylan from Nashville rights in. I was wondering why
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: folks haven't been talking about Drake May's hand size nine
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: in an eighth, which is small for an NFL quarterback.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I've known it's important for quarterbacks to have bigger hands
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: when playing in places like New England. Should this be
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a concern caveat mac Jones's hands are nine and three
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: quarters and he still sucks.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I've got all that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: It's arm strength more than hand size.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: But yeah, yes, J J. McCarthy's is only nine nine,
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: I got them all the hands right, nine even, Yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: Caleb Williams is nine and three quarters, Drake May is
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: nine and an eighth. Jade Jingis is nine and three eighths.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Small Connie's, but if you have strong, smaller hands, that
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: would make up for one of those grips.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: To me, the thing about the bad weather is your
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: arm strength.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Does your path? Do your passes get affected by the
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: wind in the weather? And I don't really see that
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: as an issue with to be honest, McCarthy or May.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I think MacCarthy's arm is plenty strong enough.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Kenny Pickett have really small hands.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: That was Kenny Pickett wore gloves and stuff. Yeah he
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: had small hands. But again, Kenny throw like that's that's
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: the big thing to me.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, Tyler writes in from Georgia. On Tuesday show, Mike
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: suggested the nickname may Day for Drake May should become
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: a Patriots bad understanding. It was part of an email game.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I nevertheless think that could end up being a harmful
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: nickname to the quarterback we're going down, whether justified or not.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: May is already going to be compared to Brady and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: everything he does. But to add that by forcing him
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to live up to the legacy of Red Sox legend
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Sam may Day Malone is just that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: That was one that was my first thought was alone.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: But I figured I'm one hundred and ten years old.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Not everybody's going to be on that one.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: And there's too obvious of a name.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: There's going to be too many annoying nicknames for him.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: You know, it's got to be May. You know, we'd
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: hear a lot of that stuff.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know why we don't have that
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: drop yet. I've been calling for for like three months.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: But what are you gonna do?
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: Music rights issue?
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the Red Sox, the five nothing and they
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: lose the game.
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah. It's not going as well against here
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: on the East Coast.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: As now, oh, when you're actually playing, when you're playing
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: a team that can, that can, that can actually play,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: it's not as oh okay, yeah, it's too bad now.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Two and four against teams with a pulse there, five
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: and one against the.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Others Ford and Savannah with Cliff Kingsbury being the OC
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: in Washington, the acquisition of Marcus Mariota and the letting
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: go of Sam Howell. Can't we ascertain that Washington is
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: going after Jade and Daniels As you always say, don't
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: listen to what they say, but what they do.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're taking Jayden and Daniels. But
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Is he saying because Mariota is kind of a running
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: mobile quarterback? Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that has
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, is he any more mobile than Drake may Is.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: I mean he's fairly mobile.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I mean he is, but like I think these guys
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: are all pretty mobile. I think McCarthy moves pretty well
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: as much as I am not sold on him. I
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: think he has good athleticism.
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: I mean Daniels has that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Daniels is he's the best runner, like an actual runner.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking just mobility running.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: He had I think heran for over a thousand yards
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: Right, I'm sure we could find that out right here.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Daniels, He's right, the email is right,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: he's the best runner of the crop.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yeah yards.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: So when we were talking about, you know, the ability
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to you know, sit a guy and wait and all
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that and how it's I wonder if anybody has done
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: any kind of studies on it, like I mean Bert had.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: You know, again, we're feeding everything off of what we
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: heard from Bert this morning, and a lot of people
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: have talked about you know, last whatever fifteen twenty years.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: They've been very few examples of guys that actually sat
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: for a whole year. I think there's only two since
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, really three because Mahomes played one game.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: But the ones that played all, you know, the vast
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: majority of him.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: Is it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Anybody ever done a study as to why that they
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: failed if they failed, as opposed to just saying well
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: he got ruined. He played him too early. Like you know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: they talked about a story today about Green Bay. What
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: do you say? He was talking to Micha Lafleur about
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: it and if we had to play you know Jordan
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Love when he was a rookie, he wasn't ready and
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: would have ruined him. Well, based on what now, if
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: you want to tell me, you wouldn't have had the success. Sure,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: But like I would argue Patrick Mahomes, had he played
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: as a rookie the whole year, not only you would
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: have been more dangerous in the playoffs that that particularly
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: which you ended up getting knocked out. The next year,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: which was his first full year as the starter, was
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the famous twenty eighteen AFC Championship game. Maybe he doesn't
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: struggle for the first couple of series of the game,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: and maybe he just lights it up the whole game
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: and they win the Super Bowl.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: He accelerated the process.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Everybody likes to say like, see when you sit a guy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: He went like, well, if you're going to say that,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say that it cost them a title
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: maybe two, because if he played right away, maybe he
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: would have won more. Like there's no way of knowing
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I would like to see, like somebody really break down
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: what a guy was coming into the league and have
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: their coaches that, you know, the team's coaches where he was,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: you know, mentally heading in. You know, we talked to
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Brian Hoyer a little yet in the past, Yeah, Matt,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Matt Smith and I did the thing with Brian Hoyer
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: yesterday for Pats in the past. That's going to be
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: out soon. Some really interesting stories he told. He talked
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: about that rookie year for Mac Jones. There was a
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: time that he actually thought that they were telling Mac
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Jones everything ahead of time, like this is what this
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: is what you're going to do in practice, this is
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: what the this is what the reads are going to
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: be in it. Like that's how good he was, Like mentally,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: that's how sharp he was. Mentally, Mac was, Yeah, Okay,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: he got ruined? Was he not ready?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Well? I think one of the I was thinking about
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: that same thing, and I think when the risk of
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: playing somebody too early is when you don't have good protection,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: when you just can't run a play because you've constantly underseen.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: But if you have an end, how do you know? Well,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: but that the guy was ruined as opposed to not
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: good enough.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but like, if you're not giving
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: him a chance from you know, then that if I
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: don't think my line is right, I sit the guy.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: But if I think my line is right, I think
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: this is like to Paul's point, there may be less
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: risk than people think by starting a guy.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I also think if you having a guy understand, like
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady figured out. Do you remember how much Tom
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Brady got sacked the first year he played comparatively to
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the rest of his career.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Well, but I remember parcels like going to the line
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and saying, I don't care what you have to do,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: keep this guy on his feet. I mean like he
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: was adamant.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I know, but this was Brady when Belichick was here,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: so it was a different coach.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: And I thought you were talking BLEDSOE did I say,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I thought you? I'm sorry, I thought you.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: How much Brady got sacked? Lets never got sacked early.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: That's when I'm Brady got sacked a ton in two
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: thousand and one comparatively to his rest the rest of
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: his career. It was a very high total for him.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: And I think what he what he ended up learning
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: from it was how to slide protections, how to understand
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: where the pressure was coming pre snap, and he turned
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: into like the greatest ever. Now he's a savant. I'm
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: not comparing everybody anybody else to him, but I think
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: there's something to be said for learning under the gun.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Even if you don't have a good, good offensive line,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: there's some benefit that you can get from that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Now every points to Carr, but maybe David Carr wasn't
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: that good to begin with.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Well, that's my point, and I'd like to have somebody,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: not like a media guy, like I want people in
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: the NFL that were involved in these coaching staffs, various
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: guys like Johnny Manziel. To me, is not a guy
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: who got ruined. Johnny Manzel, it's pretty obvious why he
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: didn't work, right, Uh, what's JaMarcus Russell. It's pretty obvious
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: why he didn't work. Like I don't think he got
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: ruined because he played too quick, but someone who had
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: everything sort of in place, they gave him the keys,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Like tell me why Bryce Young didn't work last year?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: And if he's never going to be anything in his career,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I want to hear from Frank Reich where he was
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: mentally what he thinks. Potentially he was damaged. You know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: did he lose his confidence, Zach Wilson. Did he lose
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: his confidence as a result of playing too soon? You know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I would like a real good analysis of that. Or
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: do you just think the guy was kind of wild
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: and rough around the edges and he didn't have any
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: success and it's spiraled and he was never going to
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: have any success, whether he waited the year, two years
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: I just I just think we throw around quarterbacks getting
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: ruined way too too liberally. I just I don't think
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: it really happens.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: I just well, I mean.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Bill Walsh was the famous guy who wrote the book
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: on it, and he he said that all quarterbacks should
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: wait at least two years before they play. Time for that, Yeah,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: well that's the thing.
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: But that was what he felt like, you know, Carson Wentz,
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: he like, did he get ruined or was he always
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: not good?
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield?
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Was he.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Wentz? I think got ruined by his broken leg? Right
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: like that was that was his second year. He was
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: okay as a rookie. His second year he was on
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: the way to being an MVP. He broke his leg.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I think that's I think he lost some athleticism as
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: a result of But your point is is valid, Like
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: what constitutes playing too soon equals ruining him? And I'd
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: like to have someone really do a good study on that. Yeah,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: And I'm not telling you I have the answer.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I know, I know idea.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: I don't either. I just I just kind of push
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: back on the how liberally it gets thrown around that
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: he was ruined. And like even with Mac, like, I
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: think there's a certain degree of when rookie quarterbacks come in,
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: they don't know what they don't know, and to your point, Paul,
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: like they're being told what to do and how it's
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: going to go. But as their career progresses and the
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: team needs more for them, certain guys just aren't able
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: to continue that, Like, they aren't able to organically evolve
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: and become that guy themselves.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: They're like, you know what I mean?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: So, like when you say ruined, that means you're saying
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the guy had ability, but you ruined it. Okay, So
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: there's three ways that you ruin a guy. He gets
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: injured and.
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: Right, and that's ruined. It's just an injury, that's you
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. Like, I don't, I don't know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: I just that don't see the correlation with ruined injuries happen.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, Then the other one is like he was
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: so bad he just never got a second chance, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: so you ruined him, you know, But who doesn't get
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that second chance? Like if even Zach Wilson got bench
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and then he brought back, you're gonna get another chance. Ma,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that's probably gonna get another chance. So like that's not
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: ruining him, you know. So then the third way is
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: that he was under so much theress that mentally he
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: became scrambled outs and he never recovered, and that if
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: that's the case, then he never was probably that good
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: to begin with.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: But I could make an argument that in that particular case,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: you probably didn't do him any favors by playing him
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: too soon.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Yeah, But like if he doesn't have the
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: mental wherewithal to recover from that, okay, put him on
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the bench.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: But maybe he didn't when he was twenty one or
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: twenty two, but he might have when he was twenty
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: three or twenty four, right, I don't know.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's yeah, that's the hard thing, Paul, is
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: just like where's the line of like we.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Have these things that become fact. Yeah, and again I'm
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: not telling you that quarterbacks don't get ruined by playing
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: too early. I think some of them do. But I
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: just would like to have someone who understands this as
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: opposed to just oh yeah, they ruined Mac Jones.
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: I mean, I would just say any quarterback who was
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: quote unquote ruined was not ever going to be an
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: elite quarter.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: You know, one of the two guys that didn't play
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: right away that in that that it was Jake Locker.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: So he didn't play right away? And how do you
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: pan out him?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: That ruined him?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: That was what I guess, he got ruined by playing.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: But what about like you know, Ryan Leaf for example,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: you know, like why was it Jack Jake Locker? Who
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: was Jake Jake Locker?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: No, I was trying to think of Ricker.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Think it was Ryan Leaf. It's hard to make the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: case that he got ruined.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: Had a lot of issues, I mean himself, you know, Yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: I mean it's I don't know. I I really would
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: love to just see one great example of this quarterback
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: was ruined. He would have been great, but because his
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: protection or he didn't have the right wide receivers. Like
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: I just don't buy all that stuff like if you're good, you're.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: Gonna be good no matter what.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: And you know, there's certain times when a guy gets
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: an opportunity and you know, like Brady would always tal
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: about it, I knew my opportunity was come, and they
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: just shrink at the moment and they don't take advantage
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: of it, and maybe that moment passes them by never
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: to happen again. But I just think if you're gonna
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: be a great quarterback in this league, you're gonna be
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: You're gonna figure out a way to show it and
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: to and to eventually get there. And if you're not,
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: because let's face it, there's only a handful of guys
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: that have ever been that good, you're not gonna be
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: able to put it all together.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I kind of think that's what it comes down to,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: is there's a reason why there are not a ton
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: of great quarterbacks in the NFL because it's really hard.
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: Right right, Not just because it's like there's just this
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: like laundry list of guys like Mac Jones, I mean,
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: would have been, you know, would have been winning super
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: Bowls with San Francisco if the Patriots had just gotten
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: him a left tackle and an elite receiver like and
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  Speaker 7: I do.
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  Speaker 3: Think there's a lot of good quarterbacks in football. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: just don't think there're a lot of great.
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: Ones right right, and at least the great ones if
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: they were deterred by an injury or a year where
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: like Brady didn't have the didn't have elite weapons, kind
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: of had guys who had struggled to get open or
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: had suspect protection, like, they still.
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  Speaker 3: Show you ways to do it, probably a really in depth,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: detailed analytical look like pretty easy to figure, like Fred's point.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Offensive line, you know what kind of you know what
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: kind of offensive line did these guys have? Receiving cores? Defenses?
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: How many times did the game situation get out of
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: hand and put too much on the quarterback?
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Right, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 7: He was ruined by his defense was so bad that, yeah,
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: he got ruined.
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  Speaker 2: It's really not fair and impossible to paint with a
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: broad brush. Well, this is this is when a guy
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: should start right away, and this is when he shouldn't.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: It's every situation is different, you know.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just I think the baseline I would
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: stick to is that. I mean, I don't I barely
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: think you can sit a year. I mean, I give
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: you half the season. I think at most in my
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: mind that you just have to start the clock. And
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: if he's not gonna be able to play, it's not
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: going to really matter unless I mean, like you said,
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: unless the team is a disaster.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I mean I I was covering the Patriots back when
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Bledsoe was drafted, and there was talk do you play
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: him right away? And there were some people saying, oh,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: you know, you probably shouldn't, but they did. And that
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: was Parcels And he's been around a long time, you know.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: And you can say anything you want about Drew, but
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: you can't say he got ruined by playing too soon.
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  Speaker 7: been waiting for. We still got quarterbacks to do, but
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: today we're going to rifle through running backs, tight ends,
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: and yes, wide receivers, all positions in need for the Patriots.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: Maybe tight ends a little bit less so after signing
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: Austin Hooper and Hendra Henry there at that position. But
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: let's start off with running back guys in this position.
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: Start with you, Evan that you know, it's kind of
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: un devalued a little bit, and I don't think there's
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: really a high end, you know, number one kind of guy.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: But there are a number of later round guys.
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: Why don't you give us those some of the top
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: round guys that maybe maybe maybe a little bit too
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: soon for the Patriots.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is not a particularly strong running back
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: class at the top. Like you said, there's no Christian McCaffrey,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: there's no Saquon Barkley. There's not even a Jamior Gibbs
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: in this class. This is our Bijeon or one of
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: those guys. This is a Day two and three running
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: back class. I think the number one running back consensus
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: for the most part is Blake Korum from Michigan. I
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: also hear a lot of Benson from Florida State as well.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: He's up there too. But those two guys that are
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: really the start, I would say probably in the third round.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe one of those guys sneaks into the back
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: of the second round just because somebody wants to jump
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: ahead and pick one earlier than everybody else will. But
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: at some point in this draft there'll be a run
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: of a run of running backs that will all come
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: off the board, and those guys can all be a
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: part of a committee and be, you know, useful players
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: at the NFL level. They're not again, they're not gonna
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: be Bell Cows. They're not going to be that stud
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: running back. But if you're talking about getting a tag
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: partner for Ramandre Stevenson, you know those exist in this
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: draft in droves. Like there's a lot of those guys,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: but none of them really are looked at as like
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: difference makers or game changers.
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: What do you got, PAULI, and any of these guys
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: strike your fans out?
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, Obviously I like Korum a lot, but I
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: agree with Evan in terms of, you know, where does
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: it make sense for the Patriots. I also like Jonathan
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Brooks a little bit, although kind of one year of production,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: so maybe some question marks there. There were guys that
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: were lead backs, there were guys that you know that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: certainly carried the load. But I think, you know, like
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Koram's a guy that you look at him, you're like, oh,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: he must be a passing back because he's not very big,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: but he is that kind of a league guy. And
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I like the way evn't talked about it. A tag
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: team guy for ramondre Stevenson. I just don't think you
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: can afford to do it. I think you're going to
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: be looking at Day three guys and I'm not even
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: sure that you have enough room for that. I think
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: that that's it's a spot like you can't fill everything
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: in one draft, and I'm not sure running back meets
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: the threshold here. There's some guys that can play, and
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I would add, you know Benson as well with Florida
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: State that Evan mentioned. I do like some of these players.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: I think there's some skill, not enough really for the
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Patriots to think about him in day two.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so as we get into day two, day three,
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: tis any of those guys.
• 51:24
  Speaker 10: I think Korum is a day two, day three guy.
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: He kind of reminds me of Philip Lindsay, just very downhill.
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: Also catch the ball. That's one of the comps over there.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Philip Lindsay. You know, yeah, no made a Pro Bowl.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah no.
• 51:35
  Speaker 10: We fifty eight rushing touchdown or touchdowns at Michigan. You
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: can't ignore that. Can do a bit of everything. So
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: that's kind of the sweet spot where I'd take a
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: running back. Other than that, if you're the Patriots, you're
• 51:44
  Speaker 10: looking six seventh round hopefully and maybe undrafted free agents.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: We were into Bucky Irving. We were at the combine.
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: We were talking Bucky Irving and then he kind of
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: had a terrible combine. But like his you know, he
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: looked explosive in the games, but we.
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: Got there in the testing numbers not so much.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So Bucky Irving's an interesting guy. And you know
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: some some of these other guys too, like Tyrone Tracy
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Junior from Purdue or Dylan Lobby, the local kid from
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: you and h those guys are all interesting. I just
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: feel like when they signed Antonio Gibson, those guys are
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: more of those sub package pass catching backs. Probably not
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: what they're looking for now. They're probably looking for somebody
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: in that early down role, Remandre Damien Harris, like that
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: sort of running back, which there are some options to.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: My My favorite running back of this entire class is
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Marshon Lloyd from USC. I just think that he's got
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: the ability to run between the tackles and catch the
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: ball out of the back the great Senior Bowl week,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: but he's also like a vertical threat in the passing
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: game too. Seems you know, run the run, the wheel route,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: you know that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, just uh,
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: definitely one of those backs that can do a bit
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: of everything. And the way that he runs does remind
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: me a little bit of Remondre where he's a bigger back,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: but he has that ability to move laterally and make
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: guys miss and find the right holes and things like that.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: So he's probably in an early day three guy. I
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: would say, maybe end of round three, early round four,
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: but you know that's probably where I started even thinking.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Is that fourth round pick. I've kind of pegged it
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: as a tight end spot, but maybe they think of
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: it as more of a running back spot.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Braylen Allen from Wisconsin was once another one.
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: Giant dude. I mean he's like fun to watch.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: Maybe not not there Henry, but like kind of similar size.
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: I got a late round guy. I love the NFL bloodlines, Paul.
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: We talked about this in the last episode. But Frank
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: Gore Junior, all right, guy, I love Frank Gord Junior
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: can handle the workload, and that's like, you know, potential
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: six seventh round guy.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe udfa so so.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Will Shipley's a guy that I've always kind of watched
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: at Clemson. Pretty productive. I get a little worried about
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: guys that have that much wear and tear before they
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: even get into the league. But pretty productive guy. I
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: agree again with with both Tis and Evan. I don't
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: think there's that star power in this group. So it's
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: gonna be your flavor, your particular liking. You're gonna take
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: someone in round five or something, and you're gonna hope
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: that maybe he's better than Kevin Harris and maybe he
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: can earn a roster spot. Will Shipley's a guy I
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: thought that had some versatility, you know, a lot of
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: production in the acc I know people don't think of
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: that as as strong as his other conferences, but I
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: think he has some ability to in Irving your guy,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: because you guys had me on Bucky Irving too, so
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I watched him, man, you know, and Evans again right
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: about Gibson probably mitigates that need, but he struggles in
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: pass protection. I don't think that's he's smaller. That that
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: was not a third down back that you necessarily clamor.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: To, Yeah, he's a smaller guy. I think the hope
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: was was that he does show a lot of explosiveness
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: on tape, and that did not translate to the combine. Now,
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: historically speaking running backs, it's not a big combine position
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: because so much of it is how you carry the
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: ball in pads and how you break tackles and stuff
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: like that. So it's not really a big combine position.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: But Bucky Irving's one of those guys. I think his
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: RIS was like one point nine out of ten or
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: like it was. It was a bomb, you know, it
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: was a very, very a bad combine.
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: I like you, So let's let's then let's move on
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: to tight ends. And I mean, I'd say it's kind
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: of a similar class maybe, I mean you have Jatavian
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: Sanders probably at the top, but otherwise you're really looking
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: at like day.
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: Two, ry like, I just.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: You guys, do you know what?
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: You know what the problem with brock Bowers is?
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I just I You're limited because I'm like, I'm like.
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: I can't even think about him, don't even get excited
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: about him, because there's plenty of reasons obviously to get
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: excited about brock Bowers.
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: So wanted to give us a little brock Bowers.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's been doing it for a while. Is
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: he a senior junior?
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: Senior junior junior?
• 55:34
  Speaker 10: He did in the in the one of the finals
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: he went off, So I wasn't really focusing too much
• 55:38
  Speaker 10: on the top guys because as a fan, I'm a
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: little worried if they pick a tight end.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: Above the fourth.
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: So I'll go down to some of the lower round guys.
• 55:45
  Speaker 10: We we talked with tonat and at the combine. But
• 55:49
  Speaker 10: also I said it in the intro episode, Dallon Hulker
• 55:51
  Speaker 10: from Colorado State just one of those receiving tight ends.
• 55:54
  Speaker 10: He can break loose, good hands, has some speed for
• 55:56
  Speaker 10: being a big guy. So that's one of the guys
• 55:58
  Speaker 10: i'd like to see the pass, maybe snag late the dress.
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: So that's all over the place, right Like everybody's got it.
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: Phil Perry, I mean, he just seems like he's kind
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: of that sweet spot of like a fourth.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Round kind of guy.
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: Really athletic, you know, maybe needs to you know, work
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: on blocking, and who doesn't really at this level.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: But he's a favorite through I got a red flag
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: on him. He's a tight end out of Iowa who
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: went to Kansas State at Iowa? What was wrong with
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: and he played the tight end factory? Why didn't he
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: go there?
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a guy named Eric All who's also in
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: this class who plays at Iowa. But I'm just gonna
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: come out and say it. This tight end class stinks.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: It's awful. Okay, I'm just gonna be honest with you,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: especially coming off of the tight end class last year
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: and how stacked that group was. This group is Brock
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Bowers gap, Jitavian Sanders gap. People that might make an
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: NFL roster, but that's this class.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Let's have some of the best NFL tight ends are
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: drafted in the mid round.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: So who knows, it's crap teas with that being said
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: Cad Stover. So, Cad Stover is a converted defensive end,
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: which I like rush right, because he's got he's got
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: some some nastiness to him, you know, because he does
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: come from that defensive background. So if you want a
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: guy that can put his hand in the dirt and
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: block some people, can Stover can do it. He's just
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: not a dynamic receiver.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Right, and he'll take some time. And the fact that
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: you have Henry and Hooper, two veterans in front of him,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: would give you some time. But again, this is the
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: day three guy. This is not You're just not in
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: a position where it's not a luxury. That'd be a
• 57:28
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• 57:29
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  Speaker 2: Is that why you get the shiny shirt on? Today?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, be sure to turn into Paul Parillo today.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Probably not a great one to listen now, to be
• 58:06
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  Speaker 2: We'll be listening.
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  Speaker 3: This will be a tough one. This is one that
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  Speaker 3: Well for beers to wait a minute, And I'm thinking
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  Speaker 3: to myself, I can help them like a.
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  Speaker 11: Party thing or well that's what I was. I don't
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  Speaker 11: know what the read was it said it said party
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  Speaker 11: ready shelf, party ready, dining cabinet, cabinet. Okay, that's yeah,
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  Speaker 11: that's what I'm you know, party ready.
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  Speaker 6: Like I need to have some for the wine glasses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I got to go to bobs, I guess
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: little fridge.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a dream.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: So are you planning on doing some entertaining?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: No, would love to entertain, but I just at some
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: point like to redo my kitchen. That's a dream of ours.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: So like just really get our kitchen, like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: great and.
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  Speaker 2: Well somebody here that redid their kitchen that can probably help.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Really he'll show you everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, avoided that one, thank goodness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so all right, web radio at pages dot com.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to the emails. This is from Kevin
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: in Charleston, South Carolina.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Down there.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just had a tennis tournament down there and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I was watching it and some of the commercials were
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: advertising the benefits of living in Charleston, South Carolina.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's a nice place.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Humidity, it doesn't look too bad.
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  Speaker 3: Nice, very nice.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, probably cost Yeah Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: He's a loyal podcast of the show since twenty thirteen.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: First time writing in almost steered my car into oncoming
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: traffic when Fred started defending Bill's drafting at the start
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: of the show the last last show. I guess that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Evan and Paul did great restoring sanity in the room.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: But I still don't think we talk enough about the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: fact that Bill overdrafts a guard in the first round
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: when tackle is of a bigger need and more in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: a more important position. And then the following draft still
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: refuses to throw even a dart at tackle in the draft,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: but drafts another three guards between the third and fourth rounds.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Thank god, we have a new regime, which we don't
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: know how they'll do. But you know, if Bill was
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: in charge, we would trade down and end up with
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Media Cornoe's tackle or another box safety. Love the show.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I enjoy my ride home from work on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think he hit on
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: some solid players, but I just think the lack of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: real star and I mean, I don't think any of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: the guys that they resign this year would be defined
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: as you know, star impact players. I like Kyle Duggar,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: I like Michael and when you you know, I'm glad
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: that they kept those guys. I think they had to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: keep those guys. But it's not those picks that were
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: why the team was foundering. It was because they just
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: they couldn't hit on the first rounders, the talent guys.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, Nikhil, Harry mac Jones, like those
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: first rounders that never became those stars that you build around.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: That's what has to happen with this new regime. You'll
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: be back in the same place.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Mike from Connecticut doesn't like the fact that, Mike, you're
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: constantly trashing Jayden Daniels. He says, Mike, we get it,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: you just want May. How about you just say that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: instead of squinting like a child biting a lemon. Right
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: before rattling off the tried and true critiques of Daniels,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I take any of the top five quarterbacks over what
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: we've dealt with since Brady, and I'll scream if we
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: don't take Daniels, if May is gone at three.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: Okay, I'll just stop talking.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Then this is just another one of the examples that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: I can't stand. And I like Daniels more than Mike does.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Why am I right? Like I don't understand, like, oh
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: that you rattled off the tried and true criticisms. Might
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: they be accurate ones? Or is it just your opinion
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: that's the one that that matters.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: You know, It's like, hey, I'm sick of I'm sick
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: of talking about these guys too, so you know you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: want have to listen to any of it, but like.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Why do like why do you have to like Jayden
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Daniels as much as I do?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: Well, that's what I think makes it more entertaining.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: One we're both luckstep on May. I want May over Daniels,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean I'm right. Like why these people
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: go crazy with these things? Uh, these draft related Uh
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: the machine it is, it's it's it's like a draft,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: like like Felker calls it the draft industrial Crop likes. Sure,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: it really is, Yeah, I mean, and it's insanity.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think part of the problem too, is
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: just that I don't watch college football, so I come
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: to these guys and then you know, I'm slowly taking
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: bits and pieces here over the course of the spring,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: and you know, I'm learning things that a lot of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: people have probably already known for two years. But I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: will say I'm coming to these opinions kind of on
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: my own and not, you know, just kind of listening
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: to what everybody else says. So I don't know, I've
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: watched enough football now and then you know, covering the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: team long enough now that I feel like I trust
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: my instincts when I like a player, and if I mean,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: I'm not to.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: Say I'm always right, but nobody is. But again, I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: have certain things I like, was it Mike the emailer
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: was also on my crime you know, Mike likes Jayden dimmls.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: I like Jayden Daniels too. I'm with Mike, but doesn't
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: mean that like you're wrong, No, and he just doesn't
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: like the squinting squinting because Mike is not sold on
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: Jayden Daniels.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: He's been very consistent for about a month. Yeah I do.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: And he's too nice to just say, yeah, I don't
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: buy him sucks. He's like, I gotta give it some
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: thought first.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: Well, and I mean, and to be fair though, like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying, I mean, I'm gonna still have him
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: on you know, my big board, Like I still I'm
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: still intrigued by him. I just I have concerns. I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: think some of the issues that have been talked about
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: are legit and I just I I have some concerns
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: that he's going to develop into the next you know,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson kind of player in this league.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Uh, Devin in North Carolina, Hey, Pugh crew. I've noticed
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: that everyone that calls or emails from North Carolina are
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: against drafting Drake May at number three. Me, on the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: other hand, couldn't disagree more. I've watched most of his
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: games that you went seeing. I feel like the guy
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: is a game changer. He's smart in the pocket and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: has a hell of an arm. He reminds me a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: lot of Josh Allen. Would you guys rather take Drake
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: May or Jayden Daniels?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, I probably go, Oh, I'm sorry Drake.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We haven't heard from as many of those people
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: May lately. And I think it's because the Patriots kind
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: of look like that's where they're headed. Yeah, and I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: think that's wrong too.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: Get on board, you know.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: And it's like the other part of that JJ McCarthy
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: thing that I didn't understand was like Michael Holly in
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: particular on the NBC Sports Boston show, the with Weelger
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: there Boston Sports Time. I think it's called you know,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: I don't like he doesn't like JJ McCarthy as a prospect,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: doesn't like him obviously not as a person. And I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: was like, you know, I may have been wrong on that,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: because you're getting intel that's letting you know that the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Patriots are thinking about taking him. Makes you wrong, Like,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: well how does that work?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: No, it's like the mac Jones thing. I mean, like
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: you weren't a big fan of mac Jones.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: The fact they took him, you still weren't a big
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: fan of mac Jones, and you know, ultimately kill him.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: I you know Fred, Fred has often talked about this like,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: you know, we'll you know, we have our opinions going in,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: but then you got to see what happens, and you
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: got to and if you don't adjust. Remember what Fred
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: used to say, like if we just sit here, we
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: tell you that everything is this way, and we're not
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: telling you what's actually happening. I think in training camp
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: was when you used to say that, Yeah, like responsibility,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: No one's going to take anything that you say with
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: So like I'm not going to pretend because oh the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: team that I'm working for drafted him, so I got
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: to give him a second look. No, I didn't think
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: he was very good. I still don't think he's very good.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: But if he turned out to be an all pro,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: and I continued to say he stinks, then my credibility's gone.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: If you find that your future analysis is your takes,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: then you're not being accurate. And I mean you have
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: to forget your take when it comes to the actual
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, our buddy Barth was on with the Hub
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: with Felger quarterback neutral and he net neutral, He tortured,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: he absolutely torched JJ McCarthy. What do you think of McCarthy?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: What do you think of all these rumors about him
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: climbing out the bullys. I don't like him. I I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: don't know all the things that we've said. Well, what
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: if the Patriots take him, you're going to kill them, right,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: because you know Felgers, he just cares about your take
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: it right, you know you're gonna kill him if the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Patriots take him. And this is long pause, and I'm like, well,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: well know, if you think this guy is a terrible
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: player and the team takes him, you need to do
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: what Evan did on Cole Strange, right. You know you
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: don't just say, well, the team I'm covering took that player,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: so right, maybeah, I'm wrong.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: And it's such an organic thing too. I liked Mac Jones.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: I saw, you know, what the fit was, and I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: you know, I bought into he's gonna be able to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: be you know, do what Bill wanted him to do,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 7: which is, don't make mistakes, understand where to go to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: with the ball, call the right protections, and you know,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: then I evolved as I watched him over a period
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: of time of even you know, even those initial practices
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: when he won the starting job in training camp, it
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: was wow.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: I mean those joint joined practice against the Panthers, was
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: that was?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: That was that twenty twenty one giants Giants when he
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: got in, when Cam got COVID, Yeah, so changed, you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: and even there it was like, all right, this is
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: there's something here. But then you started to see you
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: started right because and then they ruined him and it
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: was over. But you know, there was other things that
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: started to come out with him. His style of play
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: where you know, when when the game was on the line,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: he wasn't always as much.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: My quote with him was I'm very pleased that Mac
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Jones is the quarterback of the Newing Patriot.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: That's that's about as high as you got.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: And you know, and then he proved me that I
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: wasn't pleased, right, And I didn't sit there and tell
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: you that he sucked his whole rookie year. No, I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: didn't say that, even though I was still not sold
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: on him. I didn't tell you that. I didn't.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think Max is that good.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: We all remember your truth right when I came up.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: But I mean, I remember in early twenty twenty two.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: I forget what game it was, but I think like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: Mac had like you know, someone had given him a
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: gentle like bump out of bounds and he like jumped
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: off the cliff and all of a sudden, I and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: then I came into the radio and I'm just like,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: I'm sick of this stuff, Like just be a man
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: and play the game, and don't, you know, try to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: draw flags, and you know, then he's starting to put
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: his foot up and kick people in the knuts.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: Like that stuff was just like I'm out on that stuff.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Individually, none of them were a big deal, but you
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: add them all up, and this is kind of who
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: he is.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: And I and I and I think that that all
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: kind of fed into some of the locker room stuff,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: you know, especially defensive guys.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: The defensive players talking about it the way they did.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: You know it?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, factor right.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Ramon has a would you rather game? Based on hindsight? Ready?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: First one is would you rather start Stidham over acquiring
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Cam or letting Cam ride it out instead of drafting
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Mac start Stidham over?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: I would rather have started.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: That's Paul's take, and I would jump to that ship.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Now would you rather have not drafted Easily or not
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: drafted Harry?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: Ah?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Not drafted Harry?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Harry, Harry Harry, because even in his when you
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: saw him at his at his height of his get
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: off powers with Easily, like you saw what was there
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: with with Harry, it was just kind of not really,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: not really that intriguing.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Would you rather prevent Peyton getting his first ring or
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: a second ring? Second manning second?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: I think that.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: I just think that's more disappointing to me. I mean,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: the Patriots, for as hard as they fought in that
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: first game, me to had that, and then we had
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 7: already beaten the Bears in the Super Bowl, I know,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: but that was kind of.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: Who they were. I felt like that.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: I felt like the fifteen Patriots were better than that
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: the Broncos.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: I know, but that was the one.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: I hate the Colts more than don't let him go
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: out with it. I think like Peyton Manning is a
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: great player. I think he deserved to.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Have that kind of the odd good reason that we
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: hates more than the Broncos. I mean, if anybody can
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: appreciate hate, Yeah, it's right. Would you rather win six rings.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: In a tennis year span or when all you or
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: when all you attended in the twenty year span? Caveat
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: is after the six and ten you you can win more.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: So I would rather have won more than like, yeah, they.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Tell me how many I attended in a twenty year span,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: and now that's I did too many? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: And then one would rather win them all than just
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: wine six and a and one more like fifteen years.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Would you would you rather let go of Bill the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: year Brady left or force him to get a gym
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: with authority? In Brady's final year GM a GM. I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: think he meant yes, g ym, but a GM with.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: I mean they probably needed a new gym too.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: So would you have rather forced Bill to get a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: GM for the final years, or get rid of him.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: When Brady left, I did not want to get rid
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: of I didn't want to get rid of him.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: But it's hard to in retrospect. Maybe it would have
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: been better, but I had to choose between the two.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I let him both go at the same time. A
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: GM would have worked.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: No, no, it never would have worked.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: It been just four years of more drama and all
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: that stuff. Evan's here and he just came back from
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: some access.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Some press conferences.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, so what do you what news do you bring?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: Uh So we tawt We talked to armand Watts and
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Uhki So two new guys, two new free agents. I thought, uh,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: you know, it's cool to first time we've talked to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: either of them since they signed with the Patriots. So
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: it was always interesting to hear why why guys other
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: than money? You know, obviously, why why guys can come here?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, okay, all right. I actually talked to Taki
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Taki a little bit.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: So, uh yeah.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: I mean not that armand Wats did anything wrong, but
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: I was really impressed with with Taki. Taki. H definitely
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: a guy that can talk the game and you can
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: tell his football iq is is pretty high, and it
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: was already talking about different roles in the Patriots defense
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: and how you know he can play on and off
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: the line, and do you know all these different things.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: So obviously was he in all that up, So it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: was cool to hear from him. I think, you know
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: the Elliott Wolf connection going back to Cleveland, and this
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: one was sort of writing on the wall. Maybe not
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: a player that anybody household name necessarily, but once you
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: start to look at all the connections that brought him here,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: you start to realize that he was probably someone that
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: they had identified in this free agent class. And then
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: Amarin Watts, I thought it was interesting talking about rushing
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: off of Barmore and he's another interior pass rusher that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: that put up some pretty good pressure stats with Pittsburgh
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: last year. So just being able to rush next to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: him and in this defense and learning from some of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: the guys in Pittsburgh because they obviously have some great
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: talent on the defensive line too. So cool.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Was this an in person or in person?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: A lot of media A decent amount for random okay
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: Ota press.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Connor usual suspects or any new faces.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: Usual suspects, No, new faces.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Yep, no one's taken over a beat for anyone or
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: not like that usual still doesn't.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't think Nesson's they're not covering.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I would, yeah, I would assume, but you let all
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: those people go.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: It's not like Yeah, I was just kind of expecting
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 7: there'd be like some young looking intern type person that
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: they just are.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Like you, you just go do it, maybe maybe on
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: game days, but you'll probably have aggregators, right, Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they completely absolve, Like there's no more
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: Patriots beat writer at Nesson. That position does not exist anymore.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Mood.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, we had some i mean some logistical
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: things that we had to figure out Fred, you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: for the draft and do we want it to be
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: in person? Do we want it to be on zoom?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: And how are we gonna see.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: We want Yeah, we're looking for all three.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: Well the problem is that they got a ten a
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: m Eliot Wolf, which will be in person. The draft
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: doesn't start till seven, and then they're going to do
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: in person afterwards. So it used to be the draft
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: ends at like eleven or twelve, you could just be
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: at home and do virtual interviews, but now it's like
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: you got to be here not only at ten am,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 7: but you're probably gonna have to be here at like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: twelve pm.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Ten am has never happened before. That's new.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Well why don't we do both? Why don't we just
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't ask questions, but they can watch
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: it live. Then well, you know.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: They're grousing about it. Though.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: No, it wasn't age, you know, not grousing. It was
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: more just presented as an either scenario.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Current pfff w W president Andrew Callahan Andrew Callahan, Yes,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: and so is he the most outspoken? Does he speak
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: for the group for.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: The most part? But we pulled the class. I mean
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: obviously I didn't. I have stayed because I'm going to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: be here regardless of.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: If it's we're not allowed to be in the pff W.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that that too, But I I, you know, it
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter to me what they want to do. So
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't really vote, but yeah, it you know.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: So were they were given the option to do some
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: of the stuff virtual. Yeah, end of the night virtually
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: makes more sense, like.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday are virtual after the draft right according
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: to the schedule anyway, Yes, first round in person so
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: I don't like read. I'm so used to the schedules
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: that I don't really read all the detail anymore.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: I just started reading.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know. Yeah, it's different now. So that's
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: that's a good point. The ten am we've never had.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: I don't really understand the purpose of that.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: So excited.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: So is that on top of him talking to us
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: after on Thursday night?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: Like that should have been part of your vote, Like,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I don't need a ten am with the general manager
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: the day of the first round.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: I think they probably want to do it that way
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: because then he's done with that obligation. He can focus,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have to interrupt pre draft.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: Maybe Macaro goes at the end of the night.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: We don't need him pre draft. Maybe maybe the second
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: acquire it. I think, are you like a week before
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know about this ten am thing? This is
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: news to me.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't have any idea. But I told
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: you I didn't schedule.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: That's a week from today. No, a week from today,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: Elliott's talking at ten am and.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Now that typically the case. Okay, so maybe Paul read
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: it wrong.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: I mean I did, I mean, I'm so next Thursday,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: next Thursday. This is I know for a fact. Next
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: Thursday is Elliott's pre draft press conference here at ten
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: am at ten a m. And that is customary every year. Yeah,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: it's been mac grow Macro Nikosia. Yeah, every year.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: We've always had something for the draft, but not the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: day of the now No, So it's the same as
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: it's always been.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you read it wrong.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: I think I didn't read it wrong.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Oh Deuce, I think oh he was.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: He was thinking he was talking about wanted no part.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: Of it, all right, So I know what.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, that's right, Thursday, April eighteenth, But it was
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: under the column of twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Because the pre rate, it's the pre draft that they
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: do every year, so there's a in person after the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: draft that they're looking to make virtual so which I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: actually agree with the masses. So the real question Friday, Thursday,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: this is so like I don't think anybody cares.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: No, but no one cares about the other stuff we're
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: talking about.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: Thursday was already decided because that I believe it's in
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: person on Thursday night schedule because uh so, but Friday
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: we do the on the field with mister Kraft and
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: the jersey and all that stuff with the first round pick,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: so people have to come for that. So the question
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: to the class was, are you all going to stay
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: through the night at that point once you come here,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: or are you all gonna would you rather just go
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: home and we'll make everything virtual from that point on,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: that was that was the conversation.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: Stay through the night, that's that's hardcore.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: Well, they just wanted to know if they needed to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: keep it open like the press, and they choosing to
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: keep it closed.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: They're going to close it.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's the pick that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: I would make. It Like Evan's right, like, it doesn't.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: It used to be we will be in this room
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: there always there used to be someone on the beat who,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: if that was the case, would have said, no, I
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: want to be here.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: He discus the names. Yeah, it's just uh it does Yeah,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: it's uh so. I The one thing I did learn
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: and maybe we can, you know, try to try to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: take advantage of this, is that either Elliott or Gerard
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: maybe coming up to the draft party after they make
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: the pick.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: Which would be a little bit different. Usually they come
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: before the first round starts.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: You know, nothing's set in Stone, but we're planning on
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: for our patriots unfiltered. After every pick that we're on
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: the air, we're going to get immediate reaction from someone
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: in the war room. It could be Elliott, could be Girod,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: could be mac grow but we'll get immediate reaction live
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: from right outside the war room after every pick onto
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: our show. Yeah, well that'll be cool.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that'd be a welcome addition, and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: you might get something that you haven't haven't really had
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: a chance. Do you think you know, and a lot
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: of people have been tweeting about it, the amount of
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: people actually in the war room. Do you think that
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: will go up significantly?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: My answer is yes, you think it'd be more people.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not that big a room.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of people. There were more people
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: in the room than people think. Yeah, first of all,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: but you know, it's not like Dallas. Whether it's like
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: a banquet haul.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: In Dallas, they like you can win on the sweepstakes
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: in the draft.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: But I think if they sent nine people to these
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: pro days, I think you're going to get more people
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: in the war room.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: I would say yes, because they keep saying collaborative, and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: collaborative means a bunch of people.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: So it's also just when you're picking at three, there's
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: only so many different ways to go, so like what's there?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: It really isn't worth you know, China has.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: More people to high five.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: When I was a young buck, I think it was
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's first year, but I asked if I could
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: sit in the war room and they said yes, so
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I actually this is the old stadium, and you know,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: they said it it was almost like classroom style. They
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: had like seats you know with rose and I sat
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: in the back and that was the war room. But
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: the only thing about it is when Parcels or anyone
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: talked on the phone, they'd go to another room. Oh
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: she didn't get so all these scouts and said they
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: didn't hear all that stuff anyway, and then they would
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: just come back.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: And you know, I really wonder how what what it
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: is like because you get to that point you have
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: a board, right, and then it's it can't be as
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: simple as they took him. All right, next guy on
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: our board? Is this like there has to be right,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: there's discussion, I'm sure, and no matter how much time
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: you put into that board, especially like as Evan said,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: where I mean maybe it is just a no brainer
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: at this point.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: On Saturday, when you know, hey, we're up, We're up
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: in about eight picks, and then then you stop watching
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: and then you pick, and then you just like go
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: and get a bag of chests.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, no those are yeah.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: It says who Saturdays?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: Who'd they pick?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Evans joining went that likes Saturday, well, depending on who
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: they pick.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: A last year they picked Pop Douglas on Saturday.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: It's pretty pumped and Booty Body saved the draft room
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: right since Evans here.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I wanted to save this because it's someone making fun
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: of Evans, but I want to make sure that I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: got it earlier. Rodney and Foxborough writing in, he says
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: on the last episode, Evan talked about Logan Ryan, who
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: just retired. Congratulations to him, saying if PFF were around
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: back then, Logan Ryan wouldn't have rated him highly because
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: he let up a lot of catches Slash made tackles
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: after eight yard receptions. Actually PFF was around back then.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: I work for them from twenty eleven to twenty twelve.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: As I was finishing undergrad, Logan Ryan was drafted in
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and to my recollection, he was decently rated
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: as a slot corner. I always loved his game, despite
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: fans seemingly not being too fond of him, it felt
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: validating to see him do well. Coincidentally, I started listening
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: to the podcast in twenty eleven and once emailed in
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: about talking about how PFF worked, as Paul was very
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: dismissive of it. I vaguely recall Fred mentioning that my email.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: So is everybody else in the NFL.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: I vaguely recall Fred mentioning that my email said I
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: went to Northeastern, and Paul saying I don't care that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: he went to Northeastern. I still don't care about PFF status.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: So that's harsh. Paul.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: You know how I usually say I never said that.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: I am quite sure sure that I said exactly.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: That was more about Paul.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: And I know you said that Logan Ryan would be
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: poorly rated by PFF.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was. And you also said it wasn't
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: around back then, and it was it wasn't.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: Got your facts straight, You've got to get your fast
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: come on, never correct. I can't rely on my nerds
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: for acturate information sorry.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: I think though that I know what the kids say,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: that's week song.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: They don't say that that's what they said.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: I will say Rodney, I would ask some questions for
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: Rodney about how he greatded Vinci Wile for because I
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: feel like in two thousand and eleven there was grading
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: on Vince Wilfork that that was the initial thing of
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: being like, I don't agree with these ratings at all
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 7: the way and remember that season he was like a beast,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: you killing play on that team.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: And you hear a lot of these former players now
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: because there's so many more avenues for these like the
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Chris Longs, and you know, these guys they destroy PFF.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about Chris Long individually. I'm just
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: using him as an example. Edelman. You know these guys
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: that when they talk about this stuff on McAfee's show,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: when those guys go on, they kill it for the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: same reasons I used to kill it, because I just
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: don't know how you're determining everybody's assignment, right, and then
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: and then they different guys. You know, if Mike Dessault
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: is breaking down the Patriots game this week and Evan
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: Lazar is breaking down the Jets game next week, Like
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: that's not the same.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: And plus they have a platform and that's what people
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: talk about. And so if they've got like something on
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: Vince Wilfork where they're saying he's actually not playing that
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: well and you're like, but my eyes are telling me
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: that he is, and then the sentiment becomes.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: All the Bronx just for the record, their grades, Like
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: if you don't like their grades, that that's fine.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not big on the grades either. Like the value
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: of PFF is the actual analytical stats that they have,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: not the grades. Like the grades are what the make
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: the headlines unfortunately sometimes and are kind of like the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: driving force of their whole product. But like they do
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: they you know, they have coverage stats, they have pressure numbers,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: they like, they have stuff that is actually quantifiable, like
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: this guy got a quarterback hit on this player, this
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: guy you know is targeted and coverage on that play.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: Like that's the stuff that I think is mostly valuable.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: Type And I think a lot of that is subjective
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: pressure and coverage and stuff I think a lot of
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: And I talked to enough players to sort of validate
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: my feelings on the whole thing. I think there's a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: lot of ambiguity that goes into who they assigned.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Like a quarterback hit is that because you know, oh,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: a hit is a hit, Like that's that's I know,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: but I'm talking about But it did it come after
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: five seconds when nobody was open and finally the quarterback
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: got hit because he was too stupid to they do
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: time to throw stuff.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just think it's it's a it's a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: piece of the puzzle and it's got to be you know.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: I like d v o A stats. I thought those,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 7: you know, those are really interesting and that's you know,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: pretty straightforward what you see yourself and you know, I mean,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: it's it's just all part of the picture. I mean,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: I I they've been helpful.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: I'm the first one to admit to it. Like I
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: I looked at it from a different way and I watched.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: I mostly use PFF just for like record, that's what
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: they're doing too, they're watching the game.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: But I'm not assigning blame to anybody. Now, I don't
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: know what the coverages are. Well, that's different. But I've
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: had people tell me that they've actually charted zone coverages
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: on plays that were man like that's how far off
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: they can be. Yeah, I do.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: That's different. I I just think when it comes to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: pressure in particular, the coverage stuff, whatever, but when it
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: comes to pressure in particular, we just know so much
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: more now about like sacks is just is such a
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: small sample size to be measuring, like who is causing
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: the most disruption on plays, and so the pressure stats
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: allow us to look at guys that are impacting plays
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: on a more regular basis, and like pressure on quarterbacks
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: is such a big thing in the game that it's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: good to be able to measure, you know, the guys
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: that maybe aren't necessarily ten sack plus guys every single year,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: but they cause a lot of disruption which causes a
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: lot of interceptions or incompletions or whatever. So those stuff
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: are are important. I have to defend the nerds.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: But job, But a good job by Rodney. He sparked conversations.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I I look, they their grades are hard.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: So we also we had a conversation about someone came
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: at Mike about Jayden Daniels and I was just like,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: I don't Mike.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: What did you say about JA?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: But I don't understand why everybody has to have this
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: is the same kind of thing, Like, why why am
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: I going to sit here and say, Evan, you're wrong,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: You're wrong, that's actually useless stuff.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: No, I feel like it is.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: Evan feels like there's value to it. Why can't you
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: know people have different opinions. Yeah, Like I really you
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: would have thought Mike, you know, ended quarterback.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: But as Ernie would say, practices, as Ernie Adams would
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: say in Dynasty, if you're not in the building, you
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: So when he tracks it, it's good. But when everybody
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: well they know they know what the play, you know
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: what the play. When he's doing it for other teams,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: that doesn't count.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: That's a good point that that's still different tracking tendencies
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: and you know, packages and stuff like that, which is
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: some of the stuff that you say is valuable that
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: PF is the most valuable stuff is that.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: Where guys play, especially in the Patriots defense, workut you know,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: like last year, I mean I think I've consulted a
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 7: number of times with you. How did the free safety
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: snaps evolved last year with Duggar and you know, with
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: with Peppers, those kind of things. It's great for it'll
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: tell you know, when guys are moving up and downline
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: where you know where Tod Key on White play last year?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: What where do they have him the most?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: Though those kind of.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: Questions, I think PFF is great for they track that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: stuff and that that's easily easy.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: What's so there's PFF. What's their biggest competitor next Gen?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: Next Gen? Which is better?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: I would say PFF is maybe a little bit better
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: because they actually have people that are watching, whereas next
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: Gen is all with the chips.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mostly accurate, but there's times where like I'll
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: watch a play and they have the dots, and the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: dots will they will actually identify coverages and like it
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: will say, oh, the defense was in cover too, and
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: I was like, that ain't cover too.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: To me, it's completely different. I mean you in order
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: to do what PFF does, I don't.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: Think you can do it without watching, right, they have
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: an army.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: You can't do it with just chips. Chips gives you
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: access to different things.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: I think I don't know, right, Like their coverage stats
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: on next Gen is who is literally the closest defender
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: to the player, like by geographic.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that could mean anything, right, And maybe he's
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: not supposed to be there.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's and that's why it's all part of
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: the picture for me, next gen. If you want to
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: watch the game again, or you know, watch the All
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: twenty two or break down some.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: Plate like it's it's awesome.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: It's a it's an indispensable tool, Like for if you're
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: watching the game yourself, and I'm not really concerned with
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: what the stats are, but you know, they have all
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: of that stuff there and you know, each play and
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: the dots even, like you know, it makes it easy
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 7: to identify who was wearing stuff.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: It's that that next gen thing.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: I've had many DM conversations with people at PFF about
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: Patriots player grades though I'm like, you guys, what what
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: what are we doing like this, like we're great, We're grading,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: Like you know, you gave Dante high Tower like a
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: fifty for this game and.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: He was everywhere, Like I don't know what you will
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: for that year where it was like I just I
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of more examples.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: The other one, the balls aren't chipped yet, are they
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: are the balls chipped?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh they are.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the balls are tripped. And what I'm waiting for
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: for next gen I think will eventually is that they
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: can track velocity on throws now of how fast the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: quarterback is thrown.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: But no, I just want to be clear. So every
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: ball that each team has, you know that that big
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: ball bag here it's infamous. Who's they have a ship
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: in it? So what are they tucking into the laces?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Where is now it's.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: Dug into the ball? It's just a little chip, like
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: it doesn't nice, not that big. So it's made in
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: the in the.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: So when who's who's currently the manufactured Wilson Amazon? Oh
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: well yeah Wilson. Yeah, so Wilson's putting the chip in
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: at the time they make the ball.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: The n w S or whatever the Amazon brand is.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 7: Be a good video.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: I think chips in the ball that might be a
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: good story.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 7: I mean it's funny because when you watch like the dots,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: like you know, like the ball just like you can
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 7: see it, you know, like it moves like a throw,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 7: you know, like it's just you can tell.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Let's see Franklin in Baltimore rights in as has become
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: the slogan for twenty twenty four. I'm standing on business
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: and putting my name behind penix. I think he will
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: be the best quarterback out of this draft, and he
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: will be one of those prospects where in retrospect people
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: will question why he wasn't taken higher. I'm mainly texting
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: this in in the event I'm right, nobody can say
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: this is a take in hindsight, or that no one
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: said this pre draft. And if I'm wrong, I already
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: have the crow in the freezer and hot sauce in
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: the fridge.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: No problem. Honestly, this is the opposite of the other
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: guy that to attacked you. I have no problem, you
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: haven't opinion, I need to know.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: No, he was just sick of me expressing my you know,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: kind of concerns.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: But it was like the condescending, like we get at
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: all the tried and true criticisms. It was the phraseology
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: that bugged me more than anything.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: I appreciate that, you.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Know, the tried and true criticisms of Jayden Daniels. In
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: other words, you don't know what I know. You don't
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: know ball, So I understand why you would think that
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: he's not a good prospect Devan because you don't know,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: like I know.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: See, this is how people think.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I say, basically, basically saying, all you're doing is repeating
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: what everyone else is saying. Right, but you're doing it
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: while you're eating a lemon.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: Right he's squinting. Yeah, that's because he's an actor.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: Penix Penix, though, stock is cooling, I would say on
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: Michael Pennix, so emailer, I don't know if the consensus
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: around the league, the scuttle butt is necessarily on your
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: side on this with Pixe.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Penix is really cooled off. Yeah, Mike writes in I'm
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: pretty much on the board that the Patriots are going
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: to take a quarterback at three? How good would the
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: quarterback we take need to be for us not to
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: regret passing on a guy like Marvin Harrison or Joe
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: all Control, all delete, assuming they pan out as expected.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: Ignore process that says it's fine to miss on a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: quarterback and still be glad you took him. I think
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: a quarterback like Tua or Derek Carr wouldn't be good
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: enough for me because I don't think those are guys
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: you can win because of I think whoever we draft
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: isn't as good, at least Dak Prescott. It would be
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: better to invest in the surrounding situation. So it has
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: to be at least as good as Dak Prescott.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: Any of those three would be I would regret passing.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: On I would love to hear what you'd think would
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: be good enough to justify the pick in perfect hindsight.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not a big Derek Carr guy, so if it's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: Derek Carr, I think it would be tough to swallow.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: I think Dak and Tua kind of in the same tier. Like,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: I don't really think that Dak is all that much
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: better than Tua.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: Is.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: I love Dak, so i'd probably have Dak higher than
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: Tua if I were to rank him.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: But people I don't know, they're also going in opposite directions. Yeah,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: but I like if to me, if you get a
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: good quarterback that you can win games with and you
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: pass on that for a good wide receiver, I'm gonna
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: regret that. And I think Derek Carr is a good
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: quarterback that you can win games with. Out of those three,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: he would be three. I like Dak and two of more.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: But I would regret Jared Goff. I'd regret having a
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: guy turn out to be that good and not taking them. Now.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be silly and say, oh, he turns
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: into Patrick Mahomes. Obviously, anybody would regret.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: That, but the Bears do.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just if you if you don't have
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: a good quarterback. You know, there are a lot of
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the league that aren't as good as Derek Carr.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: To me, the floor at three has to be Kirk Cousins.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: That's Derek Carr, you think so. I think they're both
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: out to him.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: I think Cousin a little bit better.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: I think I agree with that, but I think they're
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: very similar. And I would regret passing on. As much
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: as I'm not a huge Cousins guy, I would regret
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: if he turns out to be Cousins. I'd regret that.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: So you're saying you can get to the can win,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: that would.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Be my minimum minimum to be at least as good
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: as Kirk Cousins.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: I hear that.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say if if he ends up being Kirk Cousins,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Am I gonna call him a bust and like be
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: all angry about it? No, but you're definitely little disappointed.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: That's not the But that's not the question.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: This was just what's the worst he could be that
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: you would regret not taking Marvin Harrison, right, Yeah, Like yeah,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: I want yeah, the third overall pick. I'm I'm looking
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: for more than Kirk Cousins, and which is Carr.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: Why I don't want to draft Ad McCarthy.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: But that's a separate We already had a long talk
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: about him.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we all love him.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: So let me let me just throw my real quick
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: back out. We already talked about this at nauseum. But
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: the notion that you take McCarthy because he's the safe pick, yeah,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: why is that in your mind?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: I think that when you when you watch him, he's
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: at his best basically running the offense on the first rate.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: Like if you are in the like one of these
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: offenses that's got one of these wings kid coaches that
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: can get the first read open all the time, and
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: he's playing on time and he's getting the ball out
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: on time, then he can be accurate. He can he
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: can play within the confines of this pro style system.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, is that what I did? No for you?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: I'd look at McCarthy as in that rock purty mold
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: of is he gonna be the reason why you win
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: single handedly?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: No, But if you put him in the right situation
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: with a good play caller, and then yes, yeah.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: No, that's an analysis is the play of the player.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to wonder, and I've heard a lot
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: of this, Well you go with him because that's less
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: like I've actually heard people say in terms of the Patriots,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: because he's he's the safest guy, and he'll be safe
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: for the new regime. And I don't really unders like if,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: like if the example I use is, if May doesn't work,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: it's gonna because he can't figure out how to be
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: more consistent, avoid mistakes, yeah, and get his accuracy is
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: mechanics down, that's gonna be why he fails, McCarthy. If
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: if he fails, it's going to be because he didn't
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: have the ability to do all the things that we
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: never saw him doing college. So I don't understand why
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: one of those things is safe and the other one's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: a risk.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: No, I hear what you're saying. I think that the
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: safe thing more. I think more comes from just what
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: you you believe, McCarthy is in terms of you know,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: we call guys game managers.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: You're making a progression on both on both sides. But
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: and you need to be right or you're going to
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: regret it.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: But all you're saying by saying that he's safer is
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: looking at the style of play that Michigan had and
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: saying it was a low risk offense.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: Right. But I would say, like, if you're saying someone safe,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: that means you already think that they have a level
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: of play that can compete at the NFL level. Right,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: we don't think JJ McCarthy has exhibited that at misig.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Right, we know what he can do. No, we don't
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: know what he can do.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think safe as is not the word I
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: would That's the word hit that has been here he
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: has right, Like I'm not Maybe that's not one of
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: my strong I think the other accused me of I
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: don't agree with the word safe, But just to to
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: give you an argument, I think the one the one
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: thing that JJ McCarthy really gets the feather in his
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: cap is his mechanics. He's his footwork and his release
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: and his efficiency on NFL Pro style dropbacks is really real.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: Would have his floor might be you know, the worst
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: that he's going to be is stiff, whereas may could
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: be an abject disaster.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Correct and it's easy mechanics when you're throwing from an
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: empty parking lot, you know, like, yeah, he's.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: Really yeah, but yeah, he I mean he has that.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: That's that's I think he's not a project in the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: sense of his mechanics and his footwork and like like
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: May is, you know, like May May is a playmaker,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: but he but he has those issues mechanically. J. J. McCarthy,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people feel good about We
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily need to coach up his footwork and we
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: don't need to tweak with his release because it is
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: compact and efficient. So like we're all we're doing with
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy in my mind is that he as a processor.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: He's just not a creative player. Like he just he
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: sees it and he throws what's open. But like he's
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: not somebody that's gonna go out there and have this
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: great creative playmaking gene that he's going to add plays.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Everything because he hasn't been asked to do that.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: No, he just doesn't do it.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: When has he had to do?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: Do we want to pull up the film like I can.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: Like the thing is is that he just he is
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: one of those guys that I consistently see on tape
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: that leaves bigger plays on the field because he's got
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: tunnel vision for the first read.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: If there was one thing that before they hit the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: field you find out about JJ McCarthy that could change
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: your mind, I say, you know what this guy can do?
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: What is it?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Anything?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: No?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: No, no, because I'd look at him as like I
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: keep saying, I look at him super similarly to brock Purty,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: where I think there is something. There is something to
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: the fact that he's got a little bit of an
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: it factor to him. Yeah, right, a little bit of
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: that winning culture whatever you want to call it, that
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: hit factor, and he can move around a little bit.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: He's not a stats but.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: If he sit down, if you were Elliott Wolf or whoever,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: and you sat down with Daniels and May and JJ McCarthy,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: and in those one on ones, you realize, of these three,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: McCarthy is head and shoulders smarter than the other two.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: He's just he processes faster. He's gonna Would that change
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: your mind at all?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: I would be shocked if that was the case, because
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: it just doesn't show up on tape. So like, yeah,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: maybe he can get up on the whiteboard and and
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: talk through the plays better than those other guys. But
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: that's not football.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: What if he comes to you and says, Evan, you're
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: the best decision. I'm the best decision this organization is
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: ever gonna make.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I just can't get there with him.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: What if he found out he played hockey.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: It just what it comes down to is that if
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: you're the Patriots and you're picking at three overall, your
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: quarterback has to be the reason you win games. I agree,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: the guy you draft has to be the reason why
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: you win games, and I just don't think that he'll
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: ever be the driving the bus drivers. He can be
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: a very very capable passenger, but he's never going to
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: be the guy that's like, we're coming out of this
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: game saying we won this game because JJ McCarthy put
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: us on his back and won the game for us.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: Ye all right. Web Radio at Patriots dot Com Alex
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: from Warren. I'm an avid listener, love the content you
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: put out, but I have been a little disappointed with
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: your lack of coverage on one of the most important
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: picks that this organization has had in a very long time,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: maybe ever. I of course, am talking about who was
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: going to replace Hardy on the pre postgame shows. Boss
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: man Fred seems to really want to focus on the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: draft to avoid this glaring on the team. Please be better.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 7: We were just talking about that actually, and uh, yeah,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: I don't know in discussions.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Discussions. Yeah, we'll see see what happens, Mike and THEOC.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: In past drafts, we would try to find draft prospects
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: we had a feeling Belichick would like and draft over others.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, guys, if you've done research
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: on Elliott Wilf's draft history and habits, I e. Types
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: of players actually should be eg. Types of players on
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: offense or defense he is known for taking in the draft.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Are there certain types of receivers or quarterbacks he favors
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: over others?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: No, I mean I think that that's it.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 7: We certainly with built, with how long he was, you
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 7: had a good sample size of the kind of players
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: that he likes, certainly on defense, the kind of guys
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: that he liked. And you know, having done like the
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: big board stuff and now like I I've just kind
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: of gravitated, let's just find good players, Like, let's not
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: get too concerned about this type or that type, like
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: just find guys that you really like, that you think
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 7: can play, you know, don't try to well, I think
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 7: this guy is great, but it doesn't seem like something
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: like and there's so much put up against the Packers
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 7: and what the Packers have done.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: Like he's never done it.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 7: I don't really get why, just never had his dad
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: was there in the nineties that you know now that
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: that's his you know, Like, I just you gotta find
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: good players.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: Had twenty plus years of watching Bill and sort of
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out what he might do, and we
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: still didn't do it. I mean people rarely. I'm not
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: telling you we never did. I mean we all had hits,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: but elit Wolf's never drafted a player. I mean, yeah,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: like this is the first time he's in charge.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: Right yep, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 7: I mean I think you got to look to the coordinators.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: And I mean that's why I haven't really veered too
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: far off the path on defense. Like, I think a
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: lot of the traits that they look for in the
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 7: front seven will probably be similar. It's just the hard part,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 7: I think is a little bit in the you know,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: in the receivers, what do they prefer. There's all kinds
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 7: of different flavors of receivers this year. What you know
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 7: what tickles their fancy?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but when it comes to quarterback, it comes down
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: to one thing.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: What with Ben mac do do so true?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: That good?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 8: Do do?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: I've tried?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: You know, what are you gonna do?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 8: Hew?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Do you like Patrick Mahomes? What do you like in
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: this trap?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: Carlos writes in Kendrick Bourne recently appeared on James White's
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Money Down podcast Everybody's Gonna Buy Original. If you ask
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: me what former Patriot would you say is least likely
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: to have his own pots? Would be James White. He's
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: got because he's so. He's quiet. He was like unassuming,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: you know, he.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Wasn't he was just nice?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it doesn't make for good podcast.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't think he was overly quiet.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: I think he was really I just don't see him
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: as a host. But here he is cycle hot takes.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: I definitely do not see him doing that.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway, On James White's Money Down podcast, Kendrick Bourne
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: said he wants to achieve a thousand yards and one
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: hundred catches this year. Yeah, wouldn't that be nice? I
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: understand he's coming off an a C. L injury, but
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: would he'd be schematically capable of playing the X or
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: being the number one in an a VP style offense.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 7: Oh, I just would say generally.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I think he's a good receiver, right,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 7: I mean all slots all the time. No. I I
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 7: mean I think I probably like Kendrick Bordon and that
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 7: a lot of people more than a lot of people do.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think he was, you know, really good
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: off too. We could start last year, but I just
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 7: you know, you need some kind of presence on the
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 7: outside in some variety, whether it's speed, whether it's size,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 7: and they don't really have that right now. I mean
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 7: we can we can talk about Taekwon Thornton. I think
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 7: that ship is saled, but they just they don't have
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 7: anybody on the outside that's going to occupy any kind
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 7: of detention.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: And Carlos wants he has a request for me. He
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: wants me to point up to the sky and say,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: thank you brother. What is that from?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: No idea?
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Is that like a meme that's going around now or
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: something like that?
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: Probably wants to me, you don't know there getting ready to.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: Give the context. I give it a shot, but I
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: don't know what it.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: Is, So monkey, we're not going to dance for you.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, let's see more may and Daniel's stuff. I mean, listen, hey,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: people say, well, that's all you're talking about. Well, it's
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: a big deal. I mean it's a big when's the
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: last time we've had a need at quarterback and had
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: the number three pick overall? Yeah, that's the last time.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: It was a long time ago.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: I was barely alive.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Yep, Brad from the Eastern Shore. Given that the Patriots
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: will take may Or Daniels at three and an ot
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Jordan Morgan at pick thirty four, Guard, it seems pretty uh, Guard, Okay,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: would you be willing to trade a third in twenty
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: twenty four and a third in twenty twenty five and
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: possibly a fifth for T Higgins knowing that you would
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: need to pay him twenty five million plus for four years.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 7: Gosh, I just had a I mean, I don't know
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 7: if that if those draft picks would get it done,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 7: but yeah, I'd be I mean, i'd be open now.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: I think sure the Bengals would ye hang up the
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: phone rather quickly.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I like the idea of acquiring T Higgins.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how to get it done.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: I Brad says, I would, as it would give us
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: a number one receiver. I know, snarky Paul will say
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: he has never been a one receiver.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: Who is this?
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: Higgins was absolutely a number one receiver.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: But if we pick up a year But if we
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: pick up a Jalen McMillan or Ricky Priersol in the
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: third round, then we will have three number two receivers slots.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: And you know what Paul says, if you have three
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: number two receivers, you don't have a number one.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: Receive I can't look at through that lens. I mean,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 7: I think like one, two, three, Like I think that T.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 7: Higgins would be that presence on the outside that I
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: just mentioned. I don't know how it all like position.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, to me, he is a one, but I
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 7: think they need somebody to threaten outside the number. But
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 7: you want to call him a one or whatever you
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 7: want to call him? An act like, they need somebody
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: on the outside who can make contested catches, who has
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 7: some speed to stretch the field.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: That that's what I like to Higgins, you didn't get
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: what you were looking for there. I think he's a
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: really good player.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it all comes down because you know,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: in Cleveland they're Amari Cooper was their ex receiver, and
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: they I think targeted Calvin Ridley to be Amari Cooper,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: you know, very similar type of route runners and guys
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: at the top of the route. So as much as
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: typically your X receiver is this you know ad An
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: I Mitchell six three two oh five with vertical ability,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know if that's necessarily how a VP
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: looks at it, Like he might want a guy that's
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: more in the Amari Cooper mold, which wouldn't be that
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: type of player. So that I think that that's the
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: the questions of you know, back to that other email
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: of the Elliott Wolf type, like we don't necessarily know
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: which type of receiver. Maybe they just think we're just
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: gonna get the best guy and we'll make it work
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: with whoever that guy is. But if they're looking for
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: a specific type of stylistic player, then I don't know
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: who that's gonna be yet. You know, it could be
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: a guy like Kendrick Bourne. I don't think is necessarily that,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: but he's probably more in the Mari Cooper side of
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: things than in the t Higgins side of things. So
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: there's a little bit of over.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 7: Them when you when you look at the depth chart
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: two with you know, Juju, and I mean like maybe
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: maybe it exists in there, because I when I look
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: at the depth chart right now, I just I don't
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: see it. But maybe, like to your point, Evan Alex
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 7: does see it. And you know, he said, we want
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: to play with you know, a little smaller, little more speed.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: It's best their extra receiver. Again, Cooper is this type
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: of player, so they might have just done this because
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: it was Cooper that they had on their roster. But
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: it was a lot of isolation routes on the backside
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: of formations where he's got one on one coverage and
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: he's a really good route runner, so a lot of
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: the time he's gonna win that matchup. And that that
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: was what it was.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: And it's hard to say any of the Patriots receivers
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: would do that consistently, right, which is like Kendrick Horrene,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: but I think he needs to run through traffic and
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: you know, get over whatever.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Though they might adopt a Matt grow philosophy. If you
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: want to get better at quarterback, you better draft a
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: better quarterback.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: It's a good points.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: Would we really simplified it for us?
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: There good point?
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Pepe writes in I wouldn't mind if we got JJ.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: I think you'd be fine. He's a leader, got a
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: good arm, has good mobility. I think people's opinions on
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: JJ are on extreme ends for no reason. He has
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: had good upside and he has a fine prospect in
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: my number four. What really annoys me are uneducated opinions
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: on his time at Michigan. People always talk about how
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: he came into a ready made team, which is fair
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: by the way that team has been good for years,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: but nobody ever talks about how JJ save Harbaugh's job.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: He was on the custop of being fired because no
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: other quarterback could help him get over the hump. JJ
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: ultimately was what put Michigan over the hump. And I
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: don't think he gets credited enough for it.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: You mentioned three times in that email of the word fine.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, finet more than fine, A three, he's fine.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, how much of the the of this though,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 7: is just I mean, for me, it's it's just the
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: pushback of him being a top five pick and in
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: consideration of three, like, I don't really have a problem
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: with him if he was you know, late first early date,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 7: you know, early day two kind of pick, like I
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: wouldn't be opposed to him. I just think what makes
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: me kind of push back as drafting somebody with this
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: much unknown at third overall, when you need a star
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 7: and there are stars there at a variety positions.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: I have an Andy hardism for like the whole Michigan
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: over the hump thing too, Like was he the quarterback
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: that got you over the hump or was he the
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: quarterback when you got over the hump? Because I don't
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: think those two things are the same. Cad McNamara beat
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: Ohio State, broke that long streak because Harbaugh was gonna
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: get fired because he couldn't beat Ohio State. And then
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: Kid McNamara is the one that snapped that.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't all the other transgressions have something to do
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: with it too?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: No, he wasn't going to get fired because of the transgressions.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: You don't think that, like if he was losing in college,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: if he lost and had those transgressions, Now.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: In college, they encouraged that. But no, the email was right.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: Harbaugh's job was sort of kind of tenuous there, maybe
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: four years ago three four years ago. But I just
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: have a hard time saying JJ McCarthy got them over
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: the hump as opposed to he happened to be the
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: quarterback when they get over.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: But he's a winner, Paul.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: There's something that said, if you want to win, not
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: drinking or nothing, you know, like.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: This is an extreme I admitted this is like kind
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: of an Andy Hart like example, who's the who's the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: biggest winner in the history of college football? Tibo Tim Tebow?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: You want him a quarterback?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: He gonna say, Jim Thorpe.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: He's the ultimate winner, like ultimate leader, ultimate guy who
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: dragged teams across the finish line. Nobody won jump like
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: Tim Tebow. Answer, I'm going to I'm gonna be all
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: bloody at the end of the game and everybody's gone,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: couldn't play. I feel like ultimate winner. I ultimate winner.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: Have a tough time equating winning in college to the
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: quarterback because the teams that win the national championship in
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: college are loaded.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: They're generally the best team.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: On both sides of the ball, right, And Michigan's defense
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: was unreal, you know, and so it just I don't
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: think that it's like Brady leading the Patriots to a
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: super Bowl or Mahomes leading the Chiefs to a super Bowl,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: because the talent gap is so much wider in college
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: football than it is in the pros.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: Sam in North Carolina, have you guys seen this rumor
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: going around that Jaden Daniel's visit to the Commanders didn't
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: go well and he expects to be a Patriot. What
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: do you think about this?
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: I did see that, but I don't know what it means.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: Well, he like retweeted it then and then and now
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 7: it's like somebody's saying he hadn't even visited the Commandity.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: I don't know, it's just someone else puts something.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: There's like he's trying to avoid getting no.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 6: I think this is just.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: Draft idiocy, and you know, and on Twitter with this,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 7: I think it was like somebody put like m L
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: football like it's one of the I don't know, but
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: it was. You know, it was literally like covering every
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: base like breaking news with a siren, like you know,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 7: every single scenarios as being pitched is like this is
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: what's going to happen. So I just think we're in
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 7: draft silly season and that you know, these are the
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 7: kind of things that get drummed up for clicks and
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 7: reads and attention.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah I do. There are such a different personalities though,
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  Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels and Drake May that if that's if one
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  Speaker 4: of them is more of your cup of tea. Like
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  Speaker 4: Drake May is this southern kid that's always got a
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  Speaker 4: smile on his face. Is pretty laid back, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: happy go lucky kind of kid. Jadeen Daniels seems like
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  Speaker 4: he's been a star in the NFL for ten years already,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: you know, just the way it's LSU Heisman Trophy winner,
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  Speaker 4: a little bit older of a prospect too, so there's
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  Speaker 4: reasons for it. But Jaden Daniels is like he's he
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  Speaker 4: kind of knows he's it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of these things that I think are
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: kind of smoke screens. But I kind of wonder what's
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: the end game for the smoke screen, Like who's trying
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: to fool who and get someone to do what right?
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: And I can't many threads, too many voices in my head?
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  Speaker 2: Who benefits? Ben from BC. This will be our last email.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your in depth coverage analysis over the
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  Speaker 2: last few months. I'm looking forward to the draft so
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  Speaker 2: we can move on from the May versus Daniels discussion.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: That being I have to say, Tuesday show changed something
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: for me. I used to weigh each of your opinions equally. However,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: Fred's take on the last season of Game of Thrones
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: raised some red flags for me. Thank you, it was
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: by far the worst possible storyline they could have selected,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: poorly written, and undermine what they had created over the
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: previous seasons. Thank you Evan for having no time for
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: that ridiculousness.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: No notes perfect.
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  Speaker 7: So there, I'm still waiting for the books.
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  Speaker 2: We'll end on that note, you and only you. All right,
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  Speaker 2: So is that it for this week? Anything I need
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  Speaker 2: to tell anybody about.
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  Speaker 7: No, that's that's gonna be it. We're gonna do a
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 7: little draft breakdown on the quarterbacks. So that'll be last
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: episode produced. Episode be out next Wednesday. We'll do a
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: last show on the twenty fourth, But otherwise I always
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 7: think we're just closing in on the old draft.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: All right, We'll be back Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.
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