Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Virginia Robert's Rejects Ghislaine Maxwell's Summary Judgement Push (Part 6) (6/9/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
- 0:05We're going to pick up where we left off with
- 0:08Virginia Roberts response to Gawaine Maxwell's attempt to get a
- 0:12summary judgment. See Defendant's defamatory statement was not opinion as
- 0:18a matter of law, as this court previously held correctly,
- 0:22defendant stating that Miss Roberts's claims of sexual assault or
- 0:25lies is not an expression of opinion. First, statements that
- 0:30Robert's claims against defendant are untrue have been shown to
- 0:34be untrue, and our obvious lies have a specific and
- 0:37readily understood factual, meaning that Roberts is not telling the
- 0:41truth about her history of sexual abuse and the defendant's role,
- 0:45and that some verifiable investigation has occurred and come to
- 0:49a definitive conclusion proving the fact. Second, these statements, as
- 0:54they themselves allege, are capable of being proven true or false,
- 0:58and therefore constitute actionable fact and not opinion. Third, in
- 1:03their full context, while defendant statements have the effect of
- 1:06generally denying plaintiff's story, they also clearly constitute fact to
- 1:10the reader. Roberts versus Maxwell, one sixty five ft su Pp.
- 1:16Three D one forty seven one fifty two SDNY twenty sixteen.
- 1:22The Court further explained, Plaintiff cannot be making claims shown
- 1:26to be untrue that our obvious lies without being a liar. Furthermore,
- 1:30to suggest individual is not telling the truth about her
- 1:34history of having been sexually assaulted as a minor constitutes
- 1:37more than a general denial. It alleges something deeply disturbing
- 1:41about the character of an individual willing to be publicly
- 1:44dishonest about such reprehensible crimes. Defendant statements clearly imply that
- 1:50the denials are based on facts separate and contradictory to
- 1:55those that Plaintiff has alleged. Defendant argues that somehow the
- 1:58context of the entire statement tested against the understanding of
- 2:03the average reader, should be the press release as a whole,
- 2:06being read only by journalists. This is an unreasonable construct,
- 2:10because the ultimate audience for a press release is the public. Indeed,
- 2:15the purpose of a press release is to reach readers. Unsurprisingly,
- 2:19Defendant cites no case that holds that journalists might somehow
- 2:23believe that statements of fact are opinion while others do not.
- 2:27This Court has previously covered this ground when it clearly stated.
- 2:31Sexual assault of a minor is a clear cut issue.
- 2:34Either transgression occurred or it did not. Either a Maxwell
- 2:38was involved or she was not. The issue is not
- 2:41a matter of opinion, and there cannot be differing understandings
- 2:45of the same facts that justify diametrically opposed opinion as
- 2:49to whether defendant was involved in plaintiff's abuse as plaintiff
- 2:53has claimed, each plaintiff is telling the truth about her
- 2:56story and defendant's involvement, or the defendant is telling the
- 3:00truth and she was not involved in the trafficking and
- 3:03ultimate abuse of the plaintiff. Roberts verse Maxwell, one six
- 3:07five f Dot supp At one fIF two SDNY, twenty sixteen.
- 3:14The same conclusion applies now. At the motion to this
- 3:17miss stage, defendant had not yet produced the statement she
- 3:20issued to the press. The statement is now in evidence,
- 3:23so there is no ambiguity as to what defendant released
- 3:27to the press. The absurdity of defendant characterizing his statement
- 3:31calling Miss Roberts a liar as mere opinion is revealed
- 3:34by the fact that the defendant was the one who
- 3:37was sexually trafficking and otherwise abusing Miss Roberts. No reasonable
- 3:41person in any context would construe that as defendant's mere
- 3:45opinion on the subject, since defendant knew she was abusing
- 3:49Miss Roberts, and indeed, this argument is contradicted by the
- 3:53defendant's own deposition testimony question, do you believe that Jeffrey
- 3:58Epstein sexually abused minors? Answer? I can only testify to
- 4:02what I know. I know that Virginia is a liar,
- 4:05and I know what she testified is a lie. So
- 4:08I can only testify to what I know to be falsehoods,
- 4:11and half those falsehoods are enormous, And so I can
- 4:15only categorically deny everything she has said. And that is
- 4:18the only thing that I can talk about, because I
- 4:21have no knowledge of anything else. CEE mccauleay, declaration at
- 4:25Exhibit eleven, Maxwell Deposition, April seventeenth, twenty sixteen. Defendant slightly
- 4:32contends in her motion that mister Bardon's arguments in the
- 4:35press release constitute pure opinion, attempting to disclaim any involvement
- 4:40in making the defamatory statement. However, it is not mister
- 4:44Barton's statement nor his opinion that is that issue here.
- 4:48At issue here is defendant statement a statement attributable to
- 4:52her that she approved, whose publication she commanded, and for
- 4:56which she hired a public relations representative to dissem x
- 5:00eight to at least thirty journalists for publication. While mister
- 5:04Barton could possibly have had his own opinion as to
- 5:07whether or not his client abused Miss Roberts, defendant cannot
- 5:10express an opinion on a binary yes or no subject
- 5:14where she knows the truth. As this Court previously articulated
- 5:18statements that Robert's claims against defendant are untrue have been
- 5:22shown to be untrue, and our obvious lies have a
- 5:25specific and readily understood factual meaning. Roberts versus Maxwell one
- 5:30six five f Dot supp Dot three d at one
- 5:34fifty two. Again, at the very least, the jury must
- 5:37pass on such issues. D the pre litigation privilege does
- 5:42not apply to defendant's press release. One defendant fails to
- 5:46make a showing that the pre litigation privilege applies. Defendant's
- 5:51next argument seeks refuge in their pre litigation privilege. If
- 5:55we understand the argument correctly, defendant seems to be saying
- 5:58that because she was contemplating an unspecified and never filed
- 6:02lawsuit involving the British press she somehow had a green
- 6:06light to make whatever defamatory statement she wanted about Miss Roberts.
- 6:11To prove such a remarkably claimed defendant relies on case
- 6:14law involving such mundane topics as cease and desist letters
- 6:18sent to opposing parties and the like. Obviously, such arguments
- 6:23have no application to the press release that defendants sent
- 6:26out worldwide attacking Miss Roberts veracity. The problems with the
- 6:31defendant's argument are legion for starters. There is no record evidence,
- 6:35not even defendant's own testimony, suggesting that she was contemplating
- 6:39litigation against Miss Roberts, or that her press release was
- 6:43related to contemplated litigation against Miss Roberts. Tellingly, the only
- 6:47evidence defendant sites of any alleged contemplated litigation is the
- 6:52self serving post talk partial waiver of attorney client privilege
- 6:56found in the Barden Declaration. As discussed above, the declaration
- 7:01fails to establish that there was good faith anticipated in
- 7:05litigation between her and Miss Roberts, particularly when evidence in
- 7:09the record contradicts such assertions. At the very least, it
- 7:12is a matter of fact for the jury to decide.
- 7:15In another case, in which a defendant attempted to claim
- 7:18pre litigation privilege applied to statements made to the press.
- 7:22This court denied some rejudgment and held to prevail on
- 7:25a qualified privileged defense. Defendant must show that his claim
- 7:29of privilege does not raise triable issues of fact that
- 7:32would defeat it. Block versus First Blood Associates. Six ninety
- 7:36one f Dot su Pp. Six point eighty five, six
- 7:40ninety nine and seven hundred Sweet Jay sdn Y nineteen
- 7:44eighty eight, denying some rejudgment on the preltigation qualification privilege
- 7:49affirmative defense because there was a genuine issue as to
- 7:52malice and appropriate purpose. Defendant's claim here likewise fails. First
- 7:58defendants testimony makes no mention of any contemplated lawsuit, much
- 8:02less any contemplated lawsuit against Miss Roberts. Second defendant has
- 8:07offered no witnesses who will testify that she intended to
- 8:10bring any lawsuit. Third, she did not, in fact bring
- 8:14any such lawsuit. The only evidence is a post talk
- 8:17declaration written by her attorney. Finally, it must be remembered,
- 8:21as explained at length above, the defendant had sexually trafficked
- 8:26defendant and was attempting to continue to conceal her criminal acts.
- 8:30Whether her statements had an appropriate purpose Block six ninety
- 8:33one ft supp Dot At six ninety nine through seven hundred,
- 8:38Sweet Jay, or or rather efforts by a criminal organization
- 8:42to silence its victims, is obviously contested. Accordingly, obvious issues
- 8:47of fact exist as to whether or not defendant contemplated
- 8:51litigation distorting reality. Defendant further argues statements pertinent to a
- 8:56good faith anticipated litigation made by attorney or their agents
- 9:01under their direction before the commencement of litigation or privileged
- 9:05MSJA at thirty three, the record evidence shows that defendant
- 9:09attorneys did not make the defamatory statement. Further, defendant's attorneys
- 9:13agents did not make the defamatory statement. The defendant did,
- 9:18and there was no statement made by anyone before the
- 9:20commencement of litigation because litigation never commenced. Accordingly, the case
- 9:26defendant sites where attorneys are making statements or where clients
- 9:30are making statements to their attorneys regarding judicial proceedings, including malpractice,
- 9:35are wholly in opposite, as detailed below. Similarly, in Black
- 9:40versus Green Harbor Homeowners Association Incorporated, nineteen a Dot D
- 9:44Dot three D nine sixty two, nine sixty three, seven
- 9:48ninety eight and dot y dot s dot two D
- 9:51seven fifty three, seven fifty four, and two thousand and
- 9:54five cited by Defendant, the court held a privilege applied
- 9:58to a letter sent by a Home Association board of
- 10:01directors to the association's members informing them of the status
- 10:05of litigation to which the association was a party, and
- 10:09to the association's letter to the state Attorney General, sent
- 10:12to discharge its duties to the association. In this case,
- 10:16litigation was actually pending, the communication was sent by a
- 10:20party to that litigation as part of its duties, and
- 10:23the communication itself concerned the litigation. The defendant's press release
- 10:28fits none of those descriptions. Unsurprisingly, Defendant cites no case
- 10:33in which a court has held that this or any
- 10:36qualified privilege extends to internationally disseminated press releases defaming a
- 10:41non party to the purported anticipated litigation. Regardless of whether
- 10:46or not Barden had a hand in drafting the statement.
- 10:49Another disputed issue of fact for the jury. Defendant issued
- 10:53the statement, instructed that it be published, and the statement
- 10:56she issued was attributed to her and not her attorney,
- 10:59or is it agents. Accordingly, all the case law defendant
- 11:03sites about attorney making a statement, or a client making
- 11:06a statement to their attorney, or a malpractice carrier is
- 11:10in opposite two defending his foreclothes from using the pre
- 11:15litigation privilege because she acted with malice. In any event,
- 11:18because defendant acted with malice, she cannot avail herself of
- 11:22the pre litigation privilege. As this Court has explained denying
- 11:26Defendant's motion to dismiss, there is no qualified privilege under
- 11:30New York law when such statements are spoken with malice,
- 11:34knowledge of their falsity, or a reckless disregard for the truth.
- 11:38Roberts versus Maxwell, one sixty five f. Supp. Dot three,
- 11:42d at one fifty five. Citing Block six ninety one
- 11:46F Dot supp Dot at six ninety nine, Sweet j
- 11:50sdn Y, nineteen eighty eight, there is ample record evidence
- 11:54that defendant acted with malice in issuing the press release,
- 11:57thereby making the litigation privilege in applicable see Block six
- 12:01ninety one FT supp At seven hundred. Here, sufficient evidence
- 12:07has been adduced to support the inference that defendant acted
- 12:10with malice and may not therefore claim a qualified privilege
- 12:14under New York law, a genuine issue as to malice,
- 12:18an appropriate purpose has properly been raised and is sufficient
- 12:22to preclude some rejudgment. For example, Miss Schuberg testified that
- 12:26defendant recruited her for sex with Epstein, thus corroborating Miss
- 12:30roberts own account of defendant's involvement in abusing her with Epstein.
- 12:35For another example, Jeffrey Epstein's pilot testified that defendant flew
- 12:40with Miss Roberts on at least twenty three flights, thus
- 12:43corroborating Miss roberts claims against the defendant. C. Mccaulay's declaration
- 12:48at Exhibit fifteen Robert's deposition at thirty four three through ten.
- 12:54For another example, Tony Figueroa testified that defendant asked him
- 12:58for assistance in recruiting Gros for Epstein, more testimony that
- 13:02corroborates Miss roberts claims against the defendant. And again, just
- 13:06to interject, this is why we went through that Virginia
- 13:10Roberts deposition. All of these core documents dove tell into
- 13:13each other, and when you put them all together you
- 13:16begin to see the truth scope of what Jeffrey Epstein
- 13:19was up to. Defendant statements that Miss Roberts was lying
- 13:22and her claims of sexual abuse where obvious lies, were
- 13:25not pertinent to a good faith anticipated litigation, but instead
- 13:29they were made for inappropriate purpose, ie To bully, harass, intimidate,
- 13:34and ultimately silence Miss Roberts. As the record of evidence shows,
- 13:38defendant knew the statements were false because Defendant engaged in
- 13:42and facilitated the sexual abuse of this minor child. Therefore,
- 13:46they were made for the inappropriate purpose of bullying, harassment,
- 13:50and intimidation. See Front versus Khalil, twenty four and y
- 13:54Dot three d Dot seven thirteen seven twenty twenty fifteen. Simply,
- 14:00defendant sexually trafficked Miss Roberts and then tried to silence
- 14:04Miss Roberts to keep her crime secret, circumstances that prevent
- 14:08her from using privileges designed to shield legitimate legal disputes
- 14:11from court interference. New York case law fully confirms that
- 14:16pre litigation qualified privileges do not apply to this case. Historically,
- 14:21statements made in the course of litigation were entitled to
- 14:24privilege from defamation's claims, so that those discharging a public
- 14:28function may speak freely to zealously represent their clients without
- 14:32fear of reprisal or financial hazard. Court of Appeals case
- 14:37somewhat extended this privilege by holding that statements made by
- 14:41attorneys prior to the commencement of the litigation are protected
- 14:45by a qualified privilege if those statements are pertinent to
- 14:48a good faith anticipation litigation idea at seven eighteen. Although
- 14:53it is well settled that statements made in the court
- 14:55of litigation are entitled to absolute privilege, the Court is
- 14:59not directly adj dressed whether statements made by an attorney
- 15:02on behalf of his or her client in connection with
- 15:05prospective litigation are privileged. To advance the goals of encouraging
- 15:09communication prior to the commencement of litigation, we hold that
- 15:13statements made prior to the commencement of an anticipated litigation
- 15:17are privileged, and that the privilege is lost when a
- 15:19defendant proves that statements were not pertinent to a good
- 15:23faith anticipation litigation. The Court of Appeals reason for allowing
- 15:27this qualified privilege could not be more clearer. When litigation
- 15:31is anticipated, attorneys and parties should be free to communicate
- 15:35in order to reduce or avoid the need to actually
- 15:38commence litigation. Attorneys often send cease and desist letters to
- 15:43avoid litigation. Applying privilege to such preliminary communication encourages potential
- 15:48defendants to negotiate with potential plaintiffs in order to prevent
- 15:52costly and time consuming judicial intervention idea at seven, nineteen twenty.
- 15:58Under this rationale, the Khil found that an attorney letters
- 16:02to the potential defendant were privileged because they were sent
- 16:05in an attempt to avoid litigation by requesting, among other things,
- 16:09that Khalil returned the alleged stolen propriety information and cease
- 16:13and desist in his use of that information. Here, quite
- 16:17unlike Khalil, the defendant statements were one made by a
- 16:21non attorney defendant through GAO two concerning a non party
- 16:25to an alleged anticipated litigation, three knowingly false statements, and
- 16:30four contained in a press release directed at and disseminated
- 16:33to the public at large. The defendant statements cannot be
- 16:36considered pertinent to a good faith anticipated litigation, such that
- 16:41the qualified privilege should apply. Finally, though it strains credulity
- 16:46to even entertain the prospect, if defendant could make even
- 16:49colorable showings on these basic issues, it would remain an
- 16:53issue of fact for the jury to determine whether or
- 16:55not Defendant's press release calling Miss Roberts sex abuse claims
- 16:59obviously lies, was any type of cease and desist statement
- 17:03or a statement that acted to reduce or avoid or
- 17:05resolve any anticipated litigation. Summary judgment is obviously inappropriate here
- 17:11as well. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
- 17:14right there, and in the next episode we'll pick up
- 17:16where we left off. All of the information that goes
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