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Chuck & Buck 6-9 Hour 2: The Pen is mightier WITH the sword, taking on the Rams and ABC's of the Mariners. · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Tian run at the play with one out of the
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  Speaker 1: eighth indep centerfield. Julio in front of the warning track
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  Speaker 1: Ballpark will hold it, Holiday comes home play it.
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  Speaker 2: Second tripped up and out that second base. The run
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  Speaker 2: at home counts. Bliss drops the anchor on top of
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  Speaker 2: a second.
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  Speaker 3: Alexander is out. The tag got down before the run crosses.
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  Speaker 3: It very well could have. I mean, how many close
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  Speaker 3: calls have there been in this game? So you say,
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  Speaker 3: sync that up back in New York and.
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  Speaker 1: Your cold here, let's find out after review the call
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  Speaker 1: is overturn no run.
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  Speaker 3: Fo Oh my gosh, what a turn. Julio with a
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  Speaker 3: hose preto much to explain on that play. Let's just
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  Speaker 3: put it this way. Mariners win six to three last night.
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  Speaker 4: The Challenge their friend last night, even though they are terrible.
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  Speaker 5: At it, one of the best in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, historically and traditionally awful in the long history
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  Speaker 4: of the Challenges, they are bad, but last night kind
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  Speaker 4: of saved. They're baking a couple of times, and they
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  Speaker 4: win a wild game in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 3: Final score was six to three.
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  Speaker 4: They moved to thirty five and thirty two on the
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  Speaker 4: season thanks to Mariners TV Aaron and Ryan Rowland Smith.
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  Speaker 4: They're on the call, MS and Orioles. Back at it today.
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  Speaker 4: First pitch at three thirty five. They're throwing a left hander.
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  Speaker 4: I'm warning you now. Trevor Rodgers gets the start for
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  Speaker 4: Baltimore and the Mariners will counter with Logan Gilbert. Other
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  Speaker 4: headlines here brought to you by Frostbrewed Corps like Choose Chill.
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  Speaker 4: The Spurs shocked New York one fifteen to one eleven.
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  Speaker 4: I know how stunning it is for a better team
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  Speaker 4: to beat the other one, but the Spurs do win
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  Speaker 4: one fifteen to one eleven, and I really don't know
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  Speaker 4: if they're the better team. The Knicks are playing great
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  Speaker 4: team basketball and have been throughout this postseason, but they're
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  Speaker 4: the most more talented team, without question. That's what we
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  Speaker 4: talked about for five frickin months for goodness sake, in
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  Speaker 4: evaluating the NBA's best teams out there. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: think too many people should be surprised that the Spurs
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  Speaker 4: actually pulled out a victory in the NBA Finals, whether
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  Speaker 4: it was at Raucus Madison Square Garden or not. So
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  Speaker 4: the Spurs are back in the series, They're down two
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  Speaker 4: games to one. Game three will be played tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 4: Tonight game four of the Stanley Cup Final in Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 4: where the Golden Knights are up on Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: By a two to one lead.
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  Speaker 4: And they are describing this and when I say they,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of hockey fans, a lot of hockey people
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  Speaker 4: are describing this as one of the best, most competitive
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  Speaker 4: Stanley Cup Finals we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: That's how good the game action has been to.
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  Speaker 5: This, I mean, especially after the game on Saturday. My goodness.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of Las Vegas, the Ace has beat the Storm
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  Speaker 4: last night one one oh one to ninety one. And
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  Speaker 4: also in Las Vegas tonight. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: saw this, but it finished late. The Las Vegas A's
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  Speaker 4: played their first game in Las Vegas. And if you
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  Speaker 4: thought Sacramento was a launching pad, fifteen to fourteen last night,
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  Speaker 4: oh wow. So they played in a minor league park.
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  Speaker 4: So Sacramento is a minor league park and people have
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  Speaker 4: complained that it is too hit her friendly. Well, Las
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  Speaker 4: Vegas is even more famously hit her friendly. But they're
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  Speaker 4: going to play a few games there until they get
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  Speaker 4: the big arena built. So they played their last night
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  Speaker 4: against the Milwaukee Brewers' final score fifteen. Oh my good,
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  Speaker 4: fourteen in the game Mariners. Also, speaking of baseball, JP
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  Speaker 4: to the il Colt Emerson did not play last night
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  Speaker 4: because of a back injury he suffered in pregame warmups.
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  Speaker 4: And speaking of injuries, cal Raley is going to be
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  Speaker 4: in Tacoma tonight catching for the Rainiers, So that's going
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  Speaker 4: to be fun. We'll see if they'll still be there
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  Speaker 4: on Friday when I get to call the game with
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  Speaker 4: Riley pay Who knows. I don't think he's gonna need
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  Speaker 4: as long a ramp up as what some are reporting.
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  Speaker 4: But if he is playing there Friday, fun.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, fun for you to get to see him. Obviously.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope he's been back with the big club,
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  Speaker 6: But I mean, why not give the Tacoma fans a
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  Speaker 6: little bit more?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Why not? Why not?
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  Speaker 4: Also, College World Series, the Elite eight is now set
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  Speaker 4: for Omaha that will begin on Friday. Seahawks mandatory mini
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  Speaker 4: camp starts today, and of course World Cup week is
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  Speaker 4: here in Seattle two days from now, two sleeps from now,
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  Speaker 4: the first game of the World Cup season, and we
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  Speaker 4: will talk about that a little bit later on in
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  Speaker 4: the show.
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  Speaker 3: Even though I have no idea.
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  Speaker 6: How we're gonna find a way. Yeah, Chuck, we're gonna
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  Speaker 6: find a way.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it's by it's by confessing ignorance. It's by asking
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  Speaker 4: for help. They say that all the time. If you
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  Speaker 4: need help, ask for help.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for help.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna ask for stupid questions, right, and then you
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  Speaker 6: ask a question and they tell you stupid.
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  Speaker 4: So we're going to ask for help a little bit
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  Speaker 4: later on in the show on how we should cover
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  Speaker 4: the World Cup for you. So it's Chuck Palell, that's
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  Speaker 4: Ashley Ryan with you here on this Tuesday. Still no
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  Speaker 4: Bucky Jacobson on the radio program. And man, he would
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  Speaker 4: have been having a ball the last couple of months
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  Speaker 4: with all of these juicy Mariner topics that we've had.
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  Speaker 4: One thing he would not have enjoyed was me continuously
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  Speaker 4: questioning Dan Wilson's pitching changes. But here we are, Yeah, Loves,
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  Speaker 4: and we're gonna do it again today. I know I
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  Speaker 4: just talked about bullpen yesterday, but we're gonna go back
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  Speaker 4: at it today and from this standpoint, and I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to start off by kind of complimenting.
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  Speaker 3: Dan to a degree, defending Dan to a degree.
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  Speaker 4: No, I know that's going to feel like it's out
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  Speaker 4: of left field based off of what I think you're
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  Speaker 4: braced for coming up and what you've been listening from
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  Speaker 4: me from me the last few.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks of the season.
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  Speaker 4: But I will at least say this, I mean, the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, we're looking for positive results, right
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  Speaker 4: and we have a bullpen that is third in the
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  Speaker 4: American League and fourth in Major League Baseball in tm
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  Speaker 4: e RA. Okay, we are third in the American League,
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  Speaker 4: so four third in the American League, but we're only
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  Speaker 4: point oh three, you know, back of first place. The boss,
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  Speaker 4: I think we got passed last night. I think we
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  Speaker 4: were first place until we gave up a couple runs
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  Speaker 4: last night. So at the three point one ad RA
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  Speaker 4: out of our bullpen, that's good. We are also best
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  Speaker 4: in the American League and fewest innings pitched by our
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  Speaker 4: bullpen number one. So you know, even though I had
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  Speaker 4: a lot of problems, a lot of you listening have
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  Speaker 4: had a lot of problems with the way that Dan
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  Speaker 4: uses his bullpen.
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  Speaker 5: Got a lot of problems with you people.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we have to acknowledge before we start criticizing
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  Speaker 4: that whatever he's doing, no matter how strange at times
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  Speaker 4: it seems to some of us, and I'm absolutely bewildered
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  Speaker 4: at this point by what he's doing. That they are
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  Speaker 4: getting results. And maybe those good positive results are because
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  Speaker 4: of how careful they're being with usage, and because how
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  Speaker 4: they're trying to steal outs here and steal outs there,
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  Speaker 4: and because Matt Brash is not used on back to
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  Speaker 4: back days and sometimes not back to back weeks. So
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  Speaker 4: whatever their method is, and I might call it madness,
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  Speaker 4: they are getting results out of their bullpen use. I
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  Speaker 4: don't quite see it that way. I think you've got
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  Speaker 4: a really good bullpen assembled here, maybe a great one,
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  Speaker 4: and if you would just use it a little bit smarter,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that you would be having all of
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  Speaker 4: this consternation day to day, week to week that you
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  Speaker 4: seem to be having with how to use guys and
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  Speaker 4: win to use them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a fair assessment.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the biggest problem actually is all the
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  Speaker 4: walls that they put up. You know, I had a
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  Speaker 4: little back and forth with Brady Farcas he does that
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  Speaker 4: Refuse to Lose podcast, and he does a good job
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  Speaker 4: and he's a huge baseball fan and I respect him
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  Speaker 4: for all of that. And I'm not using him to
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  Speaker 4: point him out, point this out. I'm just in case
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  Speaker 4: he's listening. I wanted to at least use his argument
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  Speaker 4: because he's he was defending on social media last night
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  Speaker 4: Dan's usage of Cooper Criswell for two innings when I
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  Speaker 4: spent a little bit time bashing that, and so I
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  Speaker 4: just want to use what he said in his his tweet.
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  Speaker 4: He was talking about what restrictions that they are under
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  Speaker 4: and does he really, does Dan really have any more
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  Speaker 4: other option than to go with Cooper Criswell for a
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  Speaker 4: second straight inning. Well, let's talk about those restrictions, because
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  Speaker 4: Number one is we've decided to go to a six
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  Speaker 4: man rotation. We've you know, put the piggyback on the
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  Speaker 4: back burner, on the piggyback burner, and that immediately forces
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  Speaker 4: us to be down a relief pitcher. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: we should be in a six man rotation right now,
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  Speaker 4: but this is the decision that the organization has made,
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  Speaker 4: so we're already down a relief pitcher. Second wall that
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  Speaker 4: we've put up and this is this is why it's
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  Speaker 4: not as simple to navigate for Dan as what I
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  Speaker 4: think it should be. Starting pitchers, if you're going to
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  Speaker 4: go to a six man rotation, you kind of have
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  Speaker 4: to ask them to.
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  Speaker 3: Go a little deeper.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yet we've kept in place this eighty five
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  Speaker 4: to ninety five pitches window, where if you finish an
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  Speaker 4: inning and you're between eighty five and ninety five pitches, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Not gonna go out for another inning. Right, So that's.
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  Speaker 5: Another like like Hancock yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another obstacle that they've put in place. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Emerson wasn't on his a game yesterday, but one run
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  Speaker 4: in five innings. He wasn't bad, and he was sitting
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  Speaker 4: at ninety two pitches, and we already know we're down
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  Speaker 4: a guy in the bullpen, and we already know about
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  Speaker 4: some of these other obstacles I'm going to go through.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe it's pushing Emerson into the sixth inning
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  Speaker 4: and then having Chriswell, who we have faith to go
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  Speaker 4: more than one inning, even though we don't with brash
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  Speaker 4: Spire or Munnos.
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  Speaker 3: We pushed Criswell.
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  Speaker 4: Now he could bail him out if he gets in trouble,
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  Speaker 4: but instead Emerson's at ninety two pitches. We got to
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  Speaker 4: take him out, so they take him out, So there's
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  Speaker 4: another barrier that we have to confront. Then we have
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  Speaker 4: already decided, apparently before the game that Spire can't pitch
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  Speaker 4: because he's gone back to back outings. And I understand that.
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  Speaker 4: I respect that. I don't think he should have pitched last.
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  Speaker 3: Night, Farrer. We also.
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  Speaker 4: Brady Brady applied it to Ferrer, even though at one
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  Speaker 4: point he was loosening up. I don't know if we
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  Speaker 4: have to apply it to Farrare. I think the dude's
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  Speaker 4: a horse.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think he cares.
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  Speaker 5: How many times in the Roly pitches, Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's playing with fire on my part.
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  Speaker 4: But okay, we're out. We're down Forrare too, because he
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  Speaker 4: went back to back day. So now we're down to
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  Speaker 4: five guys. Now we have five relief pitchers that we
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  Speaker 4: got to use, and we just took out our starting
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  Speaker 4: pitcher in the fifth.
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  Speaker 3: And then, according to the defense.
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  Speaker 4: Of Dan Wilson, you can't trust mun Yokes after Sunday. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: so we're down to four guys, and then you can't
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  Speaker 4: trust Alex Hoppey with only a four run lead. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 4: now we're down to three guys, we got three innings,
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  Speaker 4: we got three relief pitchers apparently we can use, and
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  Speaker 4: we have twelve outs to get and that's if we
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  Speaker 4: stay in regulation, right.
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  Speaker 3: And so Chriswell trot's out in.
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  Speaker 4: The sixth and he just pitched the day before two
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  Speaker 4: and he has a clean sixth inning now two me,
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  Speaker 4: it seemed obvious Criswell comes out because he just pitched
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  Speaker 4: the day before. Rather than have him pitch another new inning,
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  Speaker 4: you got a sixth inning out of him. I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: even expecting him to pitch last night. Yeah, especially with
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  Speaker 4: a lead. And Matt Brash has not pitched in a week.
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  Speaker 4: He's pitched one time in a week, one time in
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  Speaker 4: seven days. This is another restriction that we've placed on
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  Speaker 4: ourselves here. And so we bring in Matt Brash in
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  Speaker 4: the seventh to bail out Cooper Criswell, who, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: you got what you needed out of him, and you
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  Speaker 4: got a chance to let him feel good about that.
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  Speaker 4: He got back on track. And then you go to
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  Speaker 4: a Bizardo or a Brash for the seventh with a
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  Speaker 4: clean inning. I mean, is it against the rules to
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  Speaker 4: put Matt Brash in a game without.
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  Speaker 3: Traffic on it?
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't think so.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something about pitchers, and I
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  Speaker 4: don't care what level it is. They don't like cleaning
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  Speaker 4: up other people's messes. And this is the funny part
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  Speaker 4: about it, they also don't like other people cleaning up
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  Speaker 4: their own messes. I mean, how many times have you
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  Speaker 4: watched George Kirby stand on the top of the dugout
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  Speaker 4: until somebody cleans up his second and third with two
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  Speaker 4: outs because he.
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  Speaker 3: Knew I can get out of this. What are you
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  Speaker 3: taking me out of the game for?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you leave every single Practically every time Brash
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  Speaker 4: comes in the game, it's to clean up somebody's mess
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  Speaker 4: And then he had to rush his bullpen session to
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  Speaker 4: get into the game rather than having him ready to
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  Speaker 4: go to start the seventh if that's who you wanted
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  Speaker 4: to go to next in the sequence. And then he
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  Speaker 4: comes in and he's obviously not warm. Because Matt Brash
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  Speaker 4: has not had control problems this year.
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  Speaker 5: He was all over the place.
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  Speaker 3: He was everywhere with his pitches.
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  Speaker 4: It was so clear he wasn't ready to start pitching
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  Speaker 4: live bullets in a Major League baseball game. And so
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  Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, you're like, oh gosh, and
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  Speaker 4: because of all of our other restrictions, we now only
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  Speaker 4: have one other guy we can go to who's properly
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  Speaker 4: rested and ready for this game. So we stick with Brash.
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  Speaker 4: He gets bailed out by the Johnny Parade to challenge.
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  Speaker 4: Oh thank goodness, we get out of that inning. But
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  Speaker 4: guess what we did. We saved Matt Brash for last night.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't use him the night before. He's pitched one
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  Speaker 4: time in seven days, and we were saving him for
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  Speaker 4: the Orioles on Monday night. Apparently, apparently that was the plan,
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  Speaker 4: and we needed twelve outs, and because Brash had to
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  Speaker 4: come in and bail out Kriswell, we only.
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  Speaker 3: Got two outs out of him last night.
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  Speaker 4: Those are precious outs when you are putting up all
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  Speaker 4: these walls, all these obstacles of guys that can't come
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  Speaker 4: in for all these various reasons, and guys that can't
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  Speaker 4: go deeper, and guys that can't pitch on back to
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  Speaker 4: back days. We're putting up all these walls, and now
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, though our best reliever available tonight
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  Speaker 4: we use, We rush him into the game to bail
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  Speaker 4: out somebody who shouldn't have pitched a second inning, and
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  Speaker 4: then that pitcher only gets to use to get burns
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  Speaker 4: up two of the twelve outs that we need. And
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  Speaker 4: because we can't possibly put him back into the next inning,
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  Speaker 4: now we've lost that.
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  Speaker 3: Now we've got to get through the night with Bizardo.
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  Speaker 4: And it turns out Munyos actually was available last night,
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  Speaker 4: and so was Freer, And yet we dance our way
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  Speaker 4: around all these obstacles, and I just think it's too
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  Speaker 4: much work.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think you were just so over complicating this.
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  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Pitchers want to pitch with a clean inning. Let them
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  Speaker 3: pitch with a clean inning.
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  Speaker 4: Why on earth did Brass just not start the seventh
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  Speaker 4: and Bizardo not just start the eighth and Muno's does
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  Speaker 4: to start the ninth if you knew that he was
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  Speaker 4: available rather then we're going to steal some outs from
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  Speaker 4: Criswell on Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: Blows up in our face.
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  Speaker 4: Well, can we steal some more outs with Criswell on Monday?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we could let him go hit the showers
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  Speaker 4: with a clean inning and feel good about himself. But
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  Speaker 4: let's try to squeeze a couple more outs out of him,
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  Speaker 4: and if he can't, we'll use Brash to bail him out,
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  Speaker 4: even though that's not effective use of brash, right, And
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  Speaker 4: so to me, it's just I mean, if you're going
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  Speaker 4: to put up all of these rules in all of
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  Speaker 4: these walls, you're not maximizing the outs that you need
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  Speaker 4: from your best relievers. We do the same thing with Spire.
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  Speaker 4: I got news for you. Spire is our best dude
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  Speaker 4: right now. And the idea of using him in case
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  Speaker 4: somebody else gets in trouble and having him to come
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  Speaker 4: in the middle of the inning and he might only
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  Speaker 4: need one out to get out of that inning.
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  Speaker 5: And then you're not going to put him in the back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just a horrible waste of your best guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion. And so yeah, I think there are
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  Speaker 4: too many rules. We have a six man rotation, we
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  Speaker 4: have a starting pitchers can only go to ninety five pitches,
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  Speaker 4: and we have a relief pitchers that are being babied
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  Speaker 4: to the degree that they've thrown fewer innings than any
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  Speaker 4: other relief core in all of Major League Baseball. Pick
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  Speaker 4: one of those three dan that you got to loosen
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  Speaker 4: up on, because if you keep them all then it's
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  Speaker 4: almost impossible to navigate your way through twenty seven outs.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, and especially if you're going to six man rotation.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: The whole point was that these starters are supposed to
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: go longer, and because you got to find a way
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: to help the bullpen, and you can't keep their pitch
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: count and then also keep all those rules and expect
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: that you're gonna get through it successfully.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I shudder to think what's going to happen to this
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: team if a starting pitcher really has a bad outing
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: like an inning and two thirds and we've got to chew.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Up seven and a third, is that going to throw
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: us off for a month?
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: I I don't know.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: going to happen. And I mean, your starting pitchers.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Have been very good to great, Your relief has been
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: very good to great at times, and yet we are
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: having the damnedest time. I mean, we're in June and
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: we can't figure out where to find twenty seven outs
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: from our pitching staff. All of them are pitching pretty
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: well this year, and we're having this much trouble from
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: night to night. Why on earth are we putting Brash
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: and Spire in in the middle of innings to bail
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: other people out and then not maximizing the few precious
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: outs you're allowing them to give us every night.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: It's a very good question.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I don't get it. I don't get it, and it
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: was explained to me like it's very easy to understand. Well,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: then I'm stupid because I don't understand why they're doing
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: it this way, because my way makes a whole hell
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: of a.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Lot more sense, I would agree.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: All right, coming, I'm next on the radio show The
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: West Best World has gotten crazy here as of late,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: and we'll tap into our Seahawks one series to describe
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: some of it for you. Sports Radio ninety three point
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: three KJRFM.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Just quickly, before you think I'm just mister hindsight here,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to. I write notes.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: During the course of the Mariners game, and I put them.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Perfect usage of Chris Well, that's what I put. Oh,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: that's why I put first first. Yeah, that was after
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the sixth and.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Then I wrote, but then he brings them out for
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: the seventh separate note. Then then I put Brash is
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: going to have to inherit traffic. So I was already
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: predicting that he was going to get into trouble, and
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: then I put and now you only use brash for
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: two outs, and then finally Dan's pen is just bewildering.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Then a tweet, and then a segment on the show today.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: So that's how that chronology works.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: I do like that when it's like just watching the
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: way it evolves.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying like, this isn't just me every day.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna wait till the result occurs, and then I'm
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: going to react to it. I'm taking you step by
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: step what I went through last night, Like nice outing, Chriswell,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: perfect bounce back man, Now get him out of the game.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: And then he comes back and says like what.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have Brushian Bizardo and we have to have
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: munos available again. So I'm just telling you it's not
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: just me, you know, waiting till the result to have
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: a reaction. All right, I'm playing right there along, you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: right there.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Right and along exactly.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm step for step second or second moment you're sidecar.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: All right, let's talk some football. We're gonna talks more
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: football at eight o'clock. Our Seahawks one series continues today
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: with Robert Turbin with find out what player he's gonna
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: want to break down for one entire interview and you
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: know him biased, Robert Turbin. That's how what he's known as,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: probably gonna take a running back.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: I'd be shocked if he was like, you know what,
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna break down. Leonard Williams, Oh love big cats.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Sometimes Hugh doesn't. Sometimes Hugh was like, don't tight cast me.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I don't want to do a quarterback every time. I
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: want to do even worry or whatever.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: The case may be. But we'll find out from Robert
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Turbin today. At eight o'clock.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Yesterday on our Seahawks one series, we had Jackson Bevins
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: on from Cigar Thoughts. A lot of people low do
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: you follow Jackson? And we talked about Gray's abel. That
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: was his choice of Seahawks players to break down in
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: our Seahawks one series, and I asked him at one point,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: all right, since we're not complaining as much about the
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: offensive line these days as Seahawk fans have and seay
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Haawk talk show hosts have for the last decade, this
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: offseason they've been given a reprieve, and in large part
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: thanks to Gray's Abel and his immediate impact on the
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: football team this past year and then winning a Super Bowl.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: But the Rams defensive line got a whole lot better
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: when they added Miles Garrett, and they're still talk out
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: there about them adding Aaron Donald. So I asked Jackson
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Bevans how he feels Zabel and company are going to
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: hold up against the rams potentially devastating defensive line.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, I guess as well as you can about
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: any other line holding up against that group, like the
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: Rams are putting together the Avengers on on the other side,
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: But they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: to Seattle the way that they're loading up. I agree,
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: and and so you know, I think that if the
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: Rams win the NFC Championship game last year, they do
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: not make that trade. So, I mean, look, they're going
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: to have some hilarious games the Rams this year where
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: it's just it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: the trenches, just and that's gonna happen against Seattle too.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: It's it would be silly.
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: To think otherwise that if Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: Fisk is healthy, if Aaron Donald is out there and
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: we all know how still been training, Yeah, they're gonna
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: have some absolutely comical dominant performances. I wish I could say, oh, well,
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: you know, Brian Flurry has this drawn up scheme for handling. Look,
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: is just isn't. Yeah, and you know, he's the most
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: dominant player I've seen on that side of the football
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: since Aaron Donald. And if we're gonna throw even eighty
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: percent of what Aaron Donald was back onto that roster,
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: nobody's nobody's got the guys for that. You're gonna have
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: to out scheme it, and you're gonna have to find
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: a way on defense to put the clamps on the
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: Rams in ways that they really couldn't do even in
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: those two games that they won last year.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, And I would also say, Man, I.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Am one that thinks Aaron Donald could come back and
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: be the maybe not the same player, but I don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: think they're just special guys in the world.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't imagine a huge drop off or he wouldn't
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: come back exactly.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he comes back and the game
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: has passed him by. I think power ages better than speed.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've watched head coaches go away for two
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: years in the game passed him by. But I don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: think somebody that was that great and kept himself in
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: that great a shape, even if it wasn't football shape.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: So I would be yeah. I mean, it's one thing
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: to take on Miles Garrett and feel like, oh, we're fine.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: That's adding an awful lot if he decides to come back.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: So I would use your offseason wish Seahawks wish on
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Aaron Donald not returning to the Los Angeles Rams. A
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: couple of other notes out of Westworld. Jacoby Brissett has
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: decided to show up for man mini camp for the
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Arizona Cardinals. So even though he wants more money, maybe
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: he sees the writing on the wall that he's not
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: going to get it. But I mean, he is not
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: going to get fined. I'll say that he's showing up
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: for mandatory mini camp. They have him slated to be
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the starting quarterback. But I think it's pretty clear you
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: want to fight us for thirty thirty five forty million dollars. Nah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: that's just not where we're at, Bud. So you know
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: I would advise against it. What I would do if
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I were Jacoby Brissett, used the opportunity to be a
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: starting quarterback for as long as you can make it
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: impossible for Carson Beck to take your job away from
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you and then hit the free agent market as you've proven,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: You've given this one last chance to prove I should
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: be a starting quarterback in the National Football League because
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: you haven't done it yet.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Well, I was going to say, that's the thing is that, yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: you haven't proven anything or that you've earned that amount
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: of money at all, and so to be holding out
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: like you've done something spectacular to warrant it seems silly.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Well, I think he's saying, well, Sam Donald, he wasn't
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: a proven starter and they gave him this much money.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Sam Darnold did a lot more than you did.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's not a bad quarterback, no, but he's
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: not worthy of that, and he's just not in a
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: position of leverage right now with a franchise that really
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: isn't prioritizing winning right now. They are prioritizing rebuilding to
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: get a younger team, a cheaper team that they can
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: start spending wildly on free agency and stock up on
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: draft picks the next couple of years. So they're not
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: going to worry about whether or not the veteran quarterback
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: who's never proven himself as a starter, it feels like
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: he's being paid market value. That's I think probably the
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: last thing on their minds. But you never know, they're
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: pretty stupid, all right. Coming up next, ABC's of the
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Ms for you. I know it's at an odd time,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: but we got to squeeze it in. There's just so
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: much to discuss today on Sports Radio ninety three point
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: three KJRFM, But right now your ABC's of the ms
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: are daily Mariners segment. The alphabet takes us through a
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: few different Mariner topics and we never know where it's
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: going to lead us. We left off of the letter M,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: and I think the alphabet has no choice. Simm It's
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: for munos. Has to be discussed. It was our big
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: topic on yesterday's radio program and last night kind of
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: some back and forth on X with a few Mariner fans,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: and one of the suggestions was that maybe, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: maybe he doesn't have to exclusively be in the closure role.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: And I had said this yesterday that I'm open to
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: that right now, and I'm I'm starting to feel like
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I'm coming across as a Munos apologist.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: That's not what I'm and that's not my ambition here.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But I do believe that the problem with Munos is
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that Dan is using him as only a save guy,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: not even a closer. We only put him in the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: game if it's a save or if we're tied in
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the ninth. That's the only time that we use Andre's Munos.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: And I went through some numbers yesterday suggesting, not just suggesting,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: but pretty much mapping out as clear as a bell,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: that when Munos is used in shorter rest, he's more effective.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, the difference is like nine runs per nine
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: innings effect.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if he pitches every other day, was his best.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: That's what you showed, right, Yeah, that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Was his best.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: That's when he doesn't give up a run. Yeah, And
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: he's better on no day's rest than he is three
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: days or more.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: And even on two he's better on no day's rest
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: than two days rest.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Now, I'm not saying to use him every day or
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: even every other day, because that you know, those appearances
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: start to rack up. But there's no reason he couldn't
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: get sixty five to seventy appearances this year.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I think he needs to be used.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: More often, and so maybe that does lend itself to
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: he's not just our only closer.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe we do.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Have to use him in situations just so he could
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: get more usage where a save's not on the line.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: And if the next night because you used Munos and
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: he's not available, I have no worries at all about
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: for Rare or Brash or Spire saving a game for us.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: And this isn't like landing on the moon. They're very
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: capable of getting the last three outs of the game.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: But ideally, I think Munos should be our closer, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I think when he's on his game, he is our
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: most devastating reliever, and I think he's proven that as
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: an elite closer the last couple of years. And then
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I got this pushback and it's only one person. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: shouldn't give light to this because I said, when Munnos
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: gets back on his a game, he's back in the role.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: And he said, I think you need to brace yourself
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: for him never getting back on his A game.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: For what What was the basis for that?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: What?
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: What are you saying that says that he couldn't have
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the potential for getting back on his A game. He's
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: not throwing any He's throwing just as hard. His slider
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: is still unhittable when it's right. He's dominating right handers,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: and he's more effective. As I said, he's perfectly fine
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: when he's not shelved for five days at a time
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: and then ask to knock the dust off and come
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: in and close out again. There's nothing physically wrong with
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Andres Munos. I don't even think there's anything psychologically wrong
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: with Andres Munos. Andres Munos is a little bit off
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: his game, and that just is a matter of getting
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: him back into rhythm. And the best way to get
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: him back into rhythm is to have him pitch more,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: even if a saves not on the line, and even
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: if it means somebody else has to save a game
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: in the process. I'm perfectly okay with that. But we
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: need Andres Munos to be good. We certainly want Andre's
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Munos to be Andres Munos. Maybe we don't need it,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: but we absolutely, man, what a benefit it would be
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: if he is.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely would be a benefit.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Uh and is for nana boy.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: My grandma Powell was one of the sweetest people you've
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: ever met Southerner Okay, Yeah, and she only got what
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: mad at me one time in my life. And that's
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: when I had the audacity as a child to take
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: an O well what in an oreo cookie? Because they
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: were never going to buy in top name brand with
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: pretty cheap I didn't even think it was that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: It was like lydros.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, it was like a cheap a knockoff of another knockoff,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: and you could.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Drink it or eat it while you drink warm water.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were like you know, boreos or something like that.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: They weren't the good thing, but they were sort of.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: In the family.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: And one time I ate out the icing and I
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: left the cookie on the counter and she lost her
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: mind on me. She went from the nicest person I
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: ever met to like terrifying. And it reminded me. I
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: was reminded of that last night when Emerson Hancock went
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: off on pareda last night like then, Southerner sweetest sugar
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: pie and Parada goes out there and whatever Parada was doing,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Emerson did not like it, and.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: He wore his ass out.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And I'm like Nana at home.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Parada must have eaten the icing out of the Oreo.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Pareda. You can't do that, Johnny. You can't eat the
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: icing out of a boreo. And that's the only thing
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I could think of, because what on earth could make
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: the world's nicest human get that angry with his catcher
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: last night? But he gave him a piece of his mind,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: and to parade his credit, he took it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: You know, he didn't like it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: You could see it in his face. He took it,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: put his ear piece back in and went back behind
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: the plate. And then later had the challenge of.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Our life to yeah, and then just won the day,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: all right, Seahawks one series.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRF