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Killer Wives: Death by Jello · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Wow, that hurts both your
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Speaker 1: boyfriend and your husband end up dead. How did that happen?
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Speaker 1: That's quite the coinkie think right. What do both of
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Speaker 1: them have in common besides the fact they're dead? Lynn
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Speaker 1: Turner Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I, Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious x M one eleven. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. It was difficult to fathom how
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Speaker 1: two civil servants and two neighboring towns, both in their
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Speaker 1: early thirties, died so suddenly, until both families realized they
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Speaker 1: had something else in common. The two men were both
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Speaker 1: living with the same woman when they died. Lynn Turner,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't turn to get on the phone quick enough.
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Speaker 1: I call the Elite investigator and I just basically said,
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Speaker 1: you need to go out there and seal off the apartment.
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Speaker 1: Do what you need to do, because I'm telling you
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Speaker 1: there's no way you could have two young guys like
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Speaker 1: this pass away. When questioned, Lynn Turner claimed it was
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Speaker 1: just a tragic coincidence, and local prosecutors found no evidence
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Speaker 1: the two deaths were connected. After all, Lynn Turner had
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Speaker 1: no criminal history. I actually just thought that it was
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Speaker 1: really bad luck, really bad luck. You know, every fiber
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Speaker 1: of my being is screaming, there is no coincidence in
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Speaker 1: criminal law. With me an all star panel to figure
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Speaker 1: this thing out. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, court TV
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Speaker 1: anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Renown psycho Alice joining
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Speaker 1: me out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com, Founder director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, former chief medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: entire state of Georgia who performed in autopsy related to
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Speaker 1: this case, and lead news anchor w DBO joining us,
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Speaker 1: Ray Caputo. Ray Caputo, First of all, who is Lynn Turner? Well,
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Speaker 1: Lynn Turner is, And she's anocuous looking woman when you
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Speaker 1: look at her, but she's she's someone whom she grew up,
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Speaker 1: had a tough life by her own. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Did you say she was innocuous looking? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you look at her name. Because I gotta tell
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Speaker 1: you something. I staked her out in a parking lot
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Speaker 1: one time, and she came out surrounded by friends just
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Speaker 1: chatting away. She had a mini skirt on. Well, it
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Speaker 1: left very little, very little to the imagination. I am
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Speaker 1: not judging. I don't care what she wears, but I
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Speaker 1: can tell you it was not innocuous. It was, let
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Speaker 1: me just say, very impressive. I mean, you know, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: have you ever seen Lynn Turner? Oh? Yes, absolutely. I
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Speaker 1: would not call her innocuous. I would call her a
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Speaker 1: brunette bombshell, That's what i'd call her. She she uses
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Speaker 1: her assets. Let's say she thinks well of herself when
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Speaker 1: she the way she carries herself, Nancy, there's no question
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Speaker 1: about that. I mean, and it's not just the way
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Speaker 1: she carries herself, which you know, really put it all
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Speaker 1: out there. Again, not judging, don't care, but I'm interested
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Speaker 1: because it was just two dead bodies connected to her.
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Speaker 1: But I will never forget hiding in a parking lot.
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Speaker 1: It was hot and I was between two cars. She
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Speaker 1: was something else. Okay, So I see why these guys
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Speaker 1: fell for her. So Ray Kaputo, now that Cheryl McColeman,
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Speaker 1: I have schooled you, she's anything but innocuous. Let me
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Speaker 1: tell you if you'd seen her at that time, Oh wow, Okay,
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Speaker 1: so what does she do for a living? Ray Kaputo, Well,
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Speaker 1: she wanted to be a cop, Nancy, and apparently she
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Speaker 1: filled the psychological examination, so she never became a cop.
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Speaker 1: Put she did move into being a civil servant. She
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Speaker 1: was a nine one one operator and that's how she
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Speaker 1: connected with her first husband, who was also a civil servant.
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Speaker 1: He was a police officer with cob County. Okay, wanted
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Speaker 1: to be a cop, failed the psych exam. To doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I was you the example of Jim Jones,
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Speaker 1: Remember him who got scores of people to drink poisoned
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Speaker 1: koo late and they died. Yeah, he tried to be
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Speaker 1: a methist. He tried to be a methist minister, I've
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Speaker 1: been told, and failed the psych exam to be a minister.
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Speaker 1: He failed a psychis exam. Yeah, so he went and
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Speaker 1: founded his own church and went to gianas I recall.
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Speaker 1: So she tried to be and failed the psych exam. Warning, warning,
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Speaker 1: let me wave the red flag. One of my best
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Speaker 1: friends is a police psychologist here in LA and she
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Speaker 1: does all the psyche vows for police officers and fitness
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Speaker 1: for duty reviews. If there's an officer involved shooting. She
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Speaker 1: evaluates them. And she told me the story of twenty three,
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Speaker 1: twenty four year old young man coming in and she
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Speaker 1: asked him what he was interested in, and he said, guns.
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Speaker 1: I love guns. I have so many guns. I have
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Speaker 1: guns in my basement. I have guns in my bedroom.
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Speaker 1: I have guns under my bed. Lunched him right away.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy, you know, sociopaths, and this woman seems like
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Speaker 1: she has sociopathic tendencies. They gravitate towards positions of power,
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Speaker 1: and they imagine that if they are holding handcuffs, or
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Speaker 1: they're carrying a gun, or they're a police officer, that
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Speaker 1: that's going to give them power over the people around them.
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Speaker 1: So that's a very common trajectory for somebody who's homicidal
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Speaker 1: or sociopathic is to want to be a police officer.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting, you know, Cheryl Mcallum, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you would call my long time investigator the entire teen
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Speaker 1: years plus I was in the DA's office was Ernest
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Speaker 1: oh Absolutely, and I even created a character based somewhat
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Speaker 1: on him for Haley Deane. I would make him carry
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Speaker 1: the gun or you know, he had so many guns
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Speaker 1: and knives all over his body. After my fiance's murder,
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Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to do was carry a gun,
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Speaker 1: because in my experience, that's sure for our away, for
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Speaker 1: you to get in troubles carry a gun. But I
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Speaker 1: get it, whoever wants a gun, it's in the constitution
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Speaker 1: have one. But that feeling of power that doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall is talking about was she let's just say power adjacent.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Cheryl, take a listen to this. This
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Speaker 1: is lenan Zeger after hours Lynde Stalks, the officer's favorite
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Speaker 1: bars in Marietta and Georgia. It's here she needs Officer
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Speaker 1: Glenn Turner. Glenn didn't have any enemies. Glenn just got
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Speaker 1: along with everybody. And he was very golden, just a
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Speaker 1: very easy going, likable, big teddy bear guy. Singled out
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Speaker 1: by the sexy brunette, Glenn falls quickly under her spell.
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Speaker 1: Charlie attracted lady and for Glenn it was you know,
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Speaker 1: Glenn wasn't the best looking guy, who wasn't in the
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Speaker 1: best physical shape, he wasn't chiseled or anything. But and
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Speaker 1: for for Glenn, Lynn was a cat. Wow. So what
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Speaker 1: do you make of that? Then, Cheryl McCollum. Uh. You know,
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Speaker 1: in the Atlanta area, cops go to certain restaurants, certain bars,
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Speaker 1: and if you want to meet cops, everybody knows where
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Speaker 1: they go. It's not a big secret, right, So would
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Speaker 1: you say she's cop or power adjacent? Yeah, they call
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Speaker 1: him bad bunnies. So here's what it sounds like to me.
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Speaker 1: We wait, they call him what adge bunnies? Somebody that
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Speaker 1: goes after Okay, you know what, you just taught me something,
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Speaker 1: A badge bunny. Okay, go ahead, Cheryl, I can always
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Speaker 1: learn something. It sounds like apparently to me, she wanted
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Speaker 1: this job and she didn't get it. So the next
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Speaker 1: best thing to get on the dance floor, so to speak,
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Speaker 1: has become the nine one one operator and then date
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Speaker 1: a police officer. Because again, by proxy, you've got the stories,
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Speaker 1: you've got the power, You've got these life and death
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Speaker 1: situations that you feel like now you're a power of.
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Speaker 1: So she's living the life right there on the edge
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Speaker 1: of it. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the death of not only a boyfriend and a
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Speaker 1: husband of Lynn Turner, but you know, very often after work,
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Speaker 1: doctor Sperry, there is a string of bell Bondsman near
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Speaker 1: the courthouse, and I would always, instead of paying ten
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Speaker 1: dollars a day for a parking spot right beside the courthouse,
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Speaker 1: I would always go down to those broken ass fall
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Speaker 1: out in the open in the rain parking lots about
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Speaker 1: four or five blocks from the courthouse. So I'd part
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Speaker 1: way down there. And I would very often after work
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Speaker 1: meet up with either a friend from the DA's office,
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Speaker 1: my investigator, or a defense attorney at one of the
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Speaker 1: bell Bonsman and we go to wherever we're going to go,
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Speaker 1: and it would usually end up after getting dinner and
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Speaker 1: we look around and like, who are all these people?
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Speaker 1: There were people from the police force. There were people
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Speaker 1: that weren't employed by the police force that were I guess,
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Speaker 1: like McComb said, badge bunnies, just curious. The medical examiners
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Speaker 1: have dead body bunnies. No, No, I mean there's there's
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Speaker 1: a group. I don't like the way you said that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, if they can if they can get access
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Speaker 1: to someone to a medical examine or find out who
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Speaker 1: they are, they're they're groupies. They're off with one the
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Speaker 1: ones that like apply for investigator jobs, especially, you know,
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Speaker 1: they don't have medical degrees and can't be pathologists, but
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Speaker 1: they can be investigators or autopsy technicians. And uh, and
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Speaker 1: there are some there's there's about though. It's about fifty
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Speaker 1: fifty male and female, so there's a lot of a
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Speaker 1: lot of women. Um, and you can you never told
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Speaker 1: me that. I've known you all these years. We've had
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Speaker 1: a lot of cases together. You never told me they
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Speaker 1: were a medical examined or groupies. Well, you never thought
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Speaker 1: of that, You're right, I didn't, and I think there's
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Speaker 1: a very good reason for that. I think I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to know. Yeah, we were talking about a boyfriend
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Speaker 1: and a husband, both dead in their early thirties, both
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Speaker 1: by saying the same type of physical problems as I
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Speaker 1: recalled heart ailments. Guys, take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Sharon Martin. Lynn and Glenn had met in nineteen ninety two.
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Speaker 1: At the time, Lynn was a Cobb County nine dispatcher
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Speaker 1: and Glenn was a county police officer. It started out as,
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Speaker 1: let's just put it this way, be Plesia. One night stand.
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Speaker 1: That may have been how it started, but Glenn soon
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Speaker 1: fell for Lynn. He proposed a year later. He rolled
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Speaker 1: in that one evening and he said we're gonna get married.
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Speaker 1: I said, you've lost him. Damn. The couple married on
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Speaker 1: August twenty first, nineteen ninety three. Unfortunately, as with Randy
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Speaker 1: years later, constant bickering marred the relationship. The arguments were
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Speaker 1: mostly about money. Yeah, unfortunately, he had what my parents
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Speaker 1: used to refer to a champagne taste on a beer budget.
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Speaker 1: Glenn worked more than one job, Lynn worked more than
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Speaker 1: one job. Lynn was also gone along and she began
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Speaker 1: making frequent trips back to her hometown thirty miles away
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Speaker 1: incoming Georgia. So we hear how the two met. It
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Speaker 1: started off very casually, but it turned into something very
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Speaker 1: very different. Kaputer, what happened then? Well, they get married Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and problems start really quickly. I mean we're talking with
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Speaker 1: within months. They're sleeping in different rooms. There's money problems.
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Speaker 1: He heard that soundclip champagne taste on a beer budget. Well,
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Speaker 1: she was overspending. And you know that Glenn was a
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Speaker 1: Cobb County po He wasn't making a ton of money.
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Speaker 1: He had to take a second job just to work
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Speaker 1: at a gas station and night just to make ends.
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Speaker 1: Me because every time he paid a bill down all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the credit card bill will go right
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Speaker 1: back up because Lynn was overspending and that caused a
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Speaker 1: ton of problems in their marriage. Hold on right there,
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Speaker 1: Dodgor Bethany Marshall. Isn't and true that one of the
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Speaker 1: main things Mary couples argue about is money, money, sex,
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Speaker 1: and power. Those are the three things. But it does
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Speaker 1: sound to me like Lynn power power. There's no argument Lucy,
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Speaker 1: my daughter has all the power, followed by the guinea
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Speaker 1: pigs who seemingly run our live. So what do you
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Speaker 1: mean by money and power? Well, it's like who's going
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Speaker 1: to make the decisions, who's in charge, who gets their way,
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Speaker 1: who sort of wears the pants and the family, so
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Speaker 1: to speak, that would be Lucy, Lucy, Lucy and Lucy
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Speaker 1: my twelve year old daughter. Okay, trying to connect with
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, It sounds to me like Lynn had
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Speaker 1: sociopathic tendencies, as I said earlier, And we know that
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Speaker 1: sociopaths are very parasitic. They glom onto a host and
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Speaker 1: they suck the life out of them. And in this
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Speaker 1: particular case, her poor husband is working two jobs, one
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Speaker 1: of which is at a gas station, and she just
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Speaker 1: kept keeps spending the money and spending the money, so
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Speaker 1: clearly she's using him. She's not in love with him,
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Speaker 1: but she's kind of a mooch and she's using him.
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Speaker 1: And but I think she also is getting kind of
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Speaker 1: a high about being police world adjacent. Part of the
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Speaker 1: excitement of that. To ask you, Wilcott judge and trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: get this. Jackie really wants you to know this that
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Speaker 1: Lynn Turner bought a dots in two forty z on
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Speaker 1: the credit card. How surprised do you think Glynn Turner
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Speaker 1: was when he gets his credit card bill in the mailbox.
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Speaker 1: It's like, I thought I'd pay that off next. By
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Speaker 1: the now it's like twenty thousand dollars there's a two
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Speaker 1: forty z on there. My husband would have my head,
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Speaker 1: not only that, I would have his nancy for doing that.
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Speaker 1: This is the kinds of expenses you don't just occur.
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Speaker 1: But let me say this, we all know the good
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Speaker 1: and the bad I would suggest about those people would
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Speaker 1: choose to marry. I do not think it was a
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Speaker 1: surprise to him that he married somebody who was spending
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Speaker 1: his money left and right. No, I do not like
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Speaker 1: a spendthrift. Absolutely not the other day day we tried
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Speaker 1: to get a new pair of shoes. I'm like, oh no, no,
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Speaker 1: no, no no, we're gonna get those. We sold again, Yes
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Speaker 1: we are. But you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall, that
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Speaker 1: shows you the wide range of marriages. Because I was
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Speaker 1: at an open, open street festival with a friend of
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Speaker 1: mine that is actually a shrink, she's a psychologist. She
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Speaker 1: was going to get a pair of, as she called them,
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Speaker 1: chandelier earrings that was being sold in one of the
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Speaker 1: I hate shopping, but I was just walking along basically
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Speaker 1: looking for food at the street festival. She was shopping,
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Speaker 1: and she actually called her husband to ask to buy
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Speaker 1: the earrings. When she hung up, I'm like, you have
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Speaker 1: to ask to buy a pair of ear rings at
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Speaker 1: a street festival. They're thirty dollars. She goes, well, you know, Dan,
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Speaker 1: am I spending We now check in with each other
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Speaker 1: every time one of us can spend over twenty five dollars.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, uh you fine, Okay. My answer to that
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Speaker 1: was just me, don't buy it if I have to
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Speaker 1: call David to ask him, Dear Lord in Heaven. So
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Speaker 1: that shows you the wide range of how finances are
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Speaker 1: handled in marriages. If I had to call my husband
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Speaker 1: every time I spent twenty five dollars a wee be
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Speaker 1: on the phone all day long, and he would, well,
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Speaker 1: you are in I've never seen you in the same
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Speaker 1: dress or a pair of ear rings, and they all fit.
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Speaker 1: Slim fit time stories with Nancy Grace that they'd only
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Speaker 1: had sex twice as they were married. He said that
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Speaker 1: she had some kind of female problem and she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be able to have sex. Of course, we're all thinking
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Speaker 1: to ourselves, well, I could dame three or four other
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Speaker 1: guys she's seeing as she's having sex with. Of course
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Speaker 1: I couldn't say anything to him. Lynn also told friends
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Speaker 1: Lynne was spending money faster than he could earn it.
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Speaker 1: He said, here, I am working three hundred sixty five days,
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Speaker 1: working all these part time jobs, sometimes two or three
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Speaker 1: jobs a day, about got it paid off, and here
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Speaker 1: she just wrung them all back up again. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she just had a stack of credit cards and just
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Speaker 1: spent spent, spent spent. While Lynn was married to Glenn,
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Speaker 1: she met Randy Thompson, a fireman from a nearby town.
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Speaker 1: Randy's family says Lynn lied about her marital status Lynne
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Speaker 1: had told us she had been married, but that she
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Speaker 1: was divorced. Okay, I got a barrow A phrase not
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Speaker 1: my own. The writing is on the wall, guys, How
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Speaker 1: did one woman end up with a dead boyfriend and
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Speaker 1: a dead husband? Aside from claiming she has quote female problems.
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Speaker 1: He can't have sex with her husband for two years.
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Speaker 1: Apparently she's dating a lot of other guys. That was
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Speaker 1: the problem. That's the problem right there. Guys, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Forensic Files. He was so sick.
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Speaker 1: I could hear his voice shaking when he talked to me.
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Speaker 1: He just said he had an unbelievable stomach virus. He
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Speaker 1: couldn't get rid of it. He was vomiting, couldn't stop vomiting,
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Speaker 1: He had diarrhea. And he's just basically said to me,
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Speaker 1: and I've never been the sick like this. He was
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Speaker 1: also incoherent and hallucinating. His wife said he'd had a
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Speaker 1: really bad night that in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 1: he had got up, began to hallucinate. He began to
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Speaker 1: run around the house. He'd pulled out his weapon. He
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Speaker 1: thought there were intruders outside and truders trying to get
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Speaker 1: inside the house. Glenn's wife coaxed him back into bed.
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Speaker 1: The next morning, he appeared to be better. He called
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Speaker 1: me he was going to go to work the next day,
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Speaker 1: and I thought that, you know, he was sounding good,
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Speaker 1: and I thought that he was going to be fine.
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Speaker 1: But a few hours later, Glenn Turner died. To doctor
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Speaker 1: Chris Sperry joining us, what do you make of those symptoms?
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Speaker 1: He's confused, he's sick. He's just feeling very, very bad.
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Speaker 1: And you know it, on one level, it sounds like
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Speaker 1: he's just got a bad case of the flu, and
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Speaker 1: it could be easily mistaken for that without any problem, right,
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Speaker 1: you mean hallucinating. I've had the flu. I never hallucinated.
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Speaker 1: Some people, if your twoberature gets high enough, or you
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Speaker 1: get a little dehydrated, you know, you'll you'll hallucinate and
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Speaker 1: it could be pretty bad. I mean, it's enough that
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Speaker 1: he got to, you know, the first thought to be
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Speaker 1: taken to the hospital just before that, because it could
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Speaker 1: mean that they're critically dehydrated, for instance, you know, or
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Speaker 1: their fevers very high. It should be checked out. But alone,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's not the first thing that the
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Speaker 1: doctors are going to think about. Well, if they get
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Speaker 1: if he went to the hospital, the first thing the
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Speaker 1: doctors are going to think is going to be dehydration
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Speaker 1: something like that that's causing the illness. And they're not
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Speaker 1: going to think about poisoning as the first diagnosis based
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Speaker 1: upon his symptoms. But Sparry, do you remember what they
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Speaker 1: first thought was gland Turner's cause of death? Oh, they
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Speaker 1: thought he had the flu, had a heart attack because
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Speaker 1: of having the flu. It was very vague. How does
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Speaker 1: that happen? How do you have the flu and then
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Speaker 1: have a heart attack? Well, that flu derived heart attack? Well,
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Speaker 1: because I've never heard of that. I you have to
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Speaker 1: have bad heart disease to start with something that is
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Speaker 1: making your heart more sensitive to severe stress us And
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Speaker 1: it's uh, actually, I can tell you. You know, we're
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Speaker 1: almost one hundred thousand autopsies. I've never seen anybody have
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Speaker 1: a heart attack because they had the flu, unless it
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Speaker 1: was a you know, a ninety year old man who
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Speaker 1: had already had multiple bypassed procedures in his heart argies.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're already has really severe underlying problems. But
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Speaker 1: right normal hearts that that just you know, that's not
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Speaker 1: going to be a problem. What about it Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: and do you recall what they first thought regarding cod
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Speaker 1: costs of death on Glenn Turner, right, they thought of
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Speaker 1: the irregular heartbeat brought home by probably dehydration. But Nancy
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Speaker 1: pre and post behavior matter here and again, do you
22:47
Speaker 1: want to start with what family and brands thought his
22:51
Speaker 1: brother at their wedding given the best man, Toast said,
22:57
Speaker 1: and I quote, I feel like I'm more at a
23:01
Speaker 1: funeral than a wedding. Come on, now, they knew, they
23:07
Speaker 1: knew before the vows were done that this was not
23:12
Speaker 1: gonna work. They all were fearful that this was not
23:15
Speaker 1: a good fit, not a good you know couple. And
23:19
Speaker 1: I think when the when she makes a statement, he's
23:22
Speaker 1: running around, he goes into the basement, he's trying to
23:24
Speaker 1: drink gasoline. At that point, why would she, as a
23:28
Speaker 1: nine one one operator, not call nine one one for help?
23:31
Speaker 1: She couldn't get him back up those basement steps if
23:34
Speaker 1: she tried nothing about this. Yeah, doctor Bethany, I was
23:38
Speaker 1: going to ask you a question I recall for the
23:40
Speaker 1: longest and actually I still do it to this very day.
23:43
Speaker 1: After case murder, I would very often not meaning to
23:49
Speaker 1: when I try to say wedding, I'd say funeral and
23:53
Speaker 1: vice versa, and still do it today. I guess I
23:58
Speaker 1: always connected at somehow because it's right before our wedding
24:02
Speaker 1: and it ended up turning into a funeral. But sometimes
24:07
Speaker 1: people say things they don't mean to say, or they
24:09
Speaker 1: may say things in jest, but it reveals an underlying truth,
24:15
Speaker 1: or at least in their minds. What is that phenomenon,
24:19
Speaker 1: doctor bethany Well, it sounds to me like her lack
24:23
Speaker 1: of love for him was transparent that everybody thought but him.
24:29
Speaker 1: It's like he was the one person in the room
24:32
Speaker 1: that hadn't gotten the memo. And it sounds to me
24:36
Speaker 1: like the best man who was given a speech wanted
24:39
Speaker 1: to speak his truth. I mean, they were concerned about him.
24:43
Speaker 1: They were worried about him, not about her, I don't think,
24:46
Speaker 1: but they were worried about him and Nancy. It sounds
24:49
Speaker 1: like when he was poisoned, he was in the middle
24:52
Speaker 1: of some kind of a psychotic episode or what we
24:55
Speaker 1: could call a delirium. We've used the word hallucinating. But
24:59
Speaker 1: if a heart of the delirium or the psychotic episode
25:03
Speaker 1: was that he was waving a gun and thought that
25:06
Speaker 1: intruders were going to break into the house. Why would
25:10
Speaker 1: she put him back in bed and spend a night
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Speaker 1: with him. I mean, people who are that paranoid are
25:16
Speaker 1: very scary. He's waving a gun. What's to guarantee he's
25:20
Speaker 1: not going to shoot her and think she's the intruders.
25:23
Speaker 1: So somehow she had the upper hand in the situation.
25:27
Speaker 1: Even though she claimed he was psychotic and paranoid. She
25:31
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen to him, She knew
25:33
Speaker 1: she was safe, she knew how this story was going
25:37
Speaker 1: to end. So it's hard to know what really happened
25:40
Speaker 1: in that household that night. So the next day he
25:43
Speaker 1: calls his mom and he says he's feeling better, he's
25:45
Speaker 1: going to go to work, But a few hours later
25:48
Speaker 1: he dies. What happens after that? Listen to our frand
25:52
Speaker 1: Peter Thomas. Just a few weeks after Glenn's funeral, Lynn
25:56
Speaker 1: moved in with Randy Thompson. Although they had two children together,
26:01
Speaker 1: they were never legally married, probably because Lynn would have
26:05
Speaker 1: had to forfeit Glenn Turner's pension. I believe that's why
26:09
Speaker 1: she didn't marry Randy. She'd lost Glenn's pension by remarried,
26:13
Speaker 1: so she didn't marry. She's smart, she knew that money
26:17
Speaker 1: was out. It wasn't long before Randy Thompson told friends,
26:23
Speaker 1: just as Glenn Turner had, that he was unhappy with
26:26
Speaker 1: lynn Lee. It was almost calm called the way they
26:29
Speaker 1: fought Cat and dog is back and forth, back and forth,
26:32
Speaker 1: back and forth. Nas, why do you keep caller? Why
26:36
Speaker 1: do you even take phone calls? Well, she's the mom
26:40
Speaker 1: of my kids, and all eyes the mom of my children.
26:44
Speaker 1: So once again she's landed right in the middle of
26:47
Speaker 1: an unhappy relationship as she wilcot the fact that she
26:50
Speaker 1: moves in with another guy just weeks after her husband's funeral,
26:54
Speaker 1: that's concerning. How often do you see that? Yeah, it
26:57
Speaker 1: is concerning. You often see that when it is a
26:59
Speaker 1: person who uses people for their own means. And so
27:03
Speaker 1: I would also suggest, you know, to all those people
27:05
Speaker 1: who are listening out there, he really cautious. When you
27:08
Speaker 1: meet somebody who's ready to move in immediately after they've
27:12
Speaker 1: just buried the person they were with. This this is
27:16
Speaker 1: a huge red flag that she is out for herself
27:20
Speaker 1: no one else, and she might be a little pret Greg.
27:22
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking back on that cod cause
27:25
Speaker 1: of death, doctor Sperry, I guess because the wife said
27:31
Speaker 1: he had pneumonia or the flu, and they think he
27:34
Speaker 1: had a heart attack. Wouldn't you just natch Lowton? There
27:38
Speaker 1: be an autopsy when someone that young passes away. Well
27:43
Speaker 1: there was an autopsy, and and what did not was
27:48
Speaker 1: not figured out, actually until I figured it out a
27:51
Speaker 1: few years later, after Randy Thompson died. The pathologist never
27:56
Speaker 1: looked at the tissue slides from the kidneys or ready, oh,
28:00
Speaker 1: let me make an out of that. Never looked at
28:02
Speaker 1: tissue slide. Well you know what you just mentioned, m
28:06
Speaker 1: Mandy Thompson. Take a listen to this doctor's berry. First,
28:09
Speaker 1: he fell off a fire truck and coming Georgia and
28:11
Speaker 1: broke his nose. When he had surgery to repair the damage,
28:16
Speaker 1: he developed a life threatening staff infection. The doctors told
28:20
Speaker 1: him this is a very very serious situation. You can
28:24
Speaker 1: die from this very easily. Randy survived that, but his
28:28
Speaker 1: health problems continued. One of his friends found him sprawled
28:32
Speaker 1: on his kitchen floor, vomiting and incoherent. He started hallucinating
28:37
Speaker 1: and he looked at me said get back in your
28:39
Speaker 1: damn cage and let I said, what getting your cage?
28:43
Speaker 1: What are you talking about, Randy, I said, getting your cage.
28:46
Speaker 1: That'll realize he thought he was talking to his bird.
28:50
Speaker 1: This was diagnosed as a severe stomach virus, but gradually
28:55
Speaker 1: he improved thanks to help from his common law wife Lynn.
28:59
Speaker 1: Every time, I thought, doing me sounds stronger and stronger,
29:01
Speaker 1: and he said, Lynde bade me grilled cheese with sweet tea.
29:05
Speaker 1: He said, I held it down, didn't throw it up.
29:07
Speaker 1: That's well good, Randy, sask this and maybe you're on
29:10
Speaker 1: the you're on the uphill slide of this. Two days later,
29:15
Speaker 1: his condition deteriorated, and Randy Thompson died. Hallucinations again. Says
29:22
Speaker 1: that you're feeling better after your kamal law wife gives
29:25
Speaker 1: you grilled cheese and sweet tea. Listen to Sharon Martin.
29:31
Speaker 1: Randy had spent much of the weekend in bed, tended
29:34
Speaker 1: by his girlfriend, Lynde Turner. Sunday afternoon, Limb said she
29:38
Speaker 1: went by and carried him some food, some chicken sue,
29:42
Speaker 1: and the following morning his friends from the fire department
29:45
Speaker 1: had come by to check on him. He actually had
29:49
Speaker 1: a doctor's appointment that a friend of his was going
29:52
Speaker 1: to take him to but there was no answer at
29:55
Speaker 1: the door. Nobody can get in. He's not answering the phone.
30:00
Speaker 1: Randy was home, however, looking in the window, the firefighters
30:04
Speaker 1: could see their friends sprawled out on the sofa, but
30:08
Speaker 1: he didn't appear to be napping. Randy didn't respond at
30:12
Speaker 1: all to nobs yells. My husband was a volunteer firefighter,
30:15
Speaker 1: so I turned on his pager and I could hear
30:19
Speaker 1: the two way talk on the radio, so I knew
30:21
Speaker 1: that they were there. I knew something at that point
30:24
Speaker 1: was really wrong. Worried for his friend, one of the
30:27
Speaker 1: firefighters quickly kicked in the door, but it was too late.
30:33
Speaker 1: Randy was already dead. So here you have boyfriend and
30:38
Speaker 1: husband both dead. To Ray Kaputo, the fact that they
30:43
Speaker 1: were both having hallucinations just before their death. Both seemed
30:47
Speaker 1: to feel better just before their death, then die very
30:52
Speaker 1: very coincidental. Ray Kaputo was Glenn Turner, the husband. The
30:57
Speaker 1: first lover was his body zoomed. His body was eventually
31:02
Speaker 1: exhumed Nancy. After all this started taking place, and later
31:06
Speaker 1: things were learned, but obviously nobody knew anything until they
31:09
Speaker 1: started putting the pieces together. After the boyfriend that the
31:13
Speaker 1: second person that Lynn was involved with die too. Ashley Wilcott,
31:16
Speaker 1: you know how hard it is to get a body examed.
31:18
Speaker 1: You have to jump through a lot of legal hoops,
31:21
Speaker 1: you absolutely do, and you have to file, you have
31:23
Speaker 1: to get a court order, and it is very tough
31:26
Speaker 1: to do crime stories with Nancy Grace. You may wonder
31:44
Speaker 1: what could be a potential motive to kill not one
31:47
Speaker 1: but two. Me and Listen investigators made a startling discovery.
31:52
Speaker 1: Even though Randy Thompson had only thirty five thousand dollars
31:55
Speaker 1: worth of life insurance, Lynn was in a big hurry
31:58
Speaker 1: to collect it. We were able to determine and through
32:02
Speaker 1: cell phone records at on the day of Randy's funeral,
32:05
Speaker 1: between the time of the service and the church and
32:09
Speaker 1: the service that was held at the cemetery, Lynn was
32:14
Speaker 1: on her cell phone trying to contact the insurance company.
32:19
Speaker 1: Maybe there was more to the death of these two
32:22
Speaker 1: men than first appeared. Lynn must have had something to
32:26
Speaker 1: do with some of this, because there is no way
32:29
Speaker 1: to young men police officer in the firefighter dying at
32:33
Speaker 1: a young age without somebody doing something. But it took
32:38
Speaker 1: a medical examiner to bring it all to ahead. Listen,
32:43
Speaker 1: doctor capon and learned what happened until Lynn Turner's first husband, Glenn,
32:48
Speaker 1: six years earlier. On a hunch, he reviewed Glenn Turner's
32:53
Speaker 1: autopsy report. He looked at all the tissues and polarized
32:58
Speaker 1: law long in the kid he as I do in
33:00
Speaker 1: all my cases, and to my surprise, there were Auxley
33:05
Speaker 1: crystals in Glynn Turner's kidneys. So doctor Caponin went back
33:11
Speaker 1: to the toxicology lab and asked them to recheck the
33:15
Speaker 1: test results on Randy Thompson's tissue samples, and the lab
33:20
Speaker 1: discovered they'd made a mathematical error. I immediately realized that
33:26
Speaker 1: I had made an error in calculating the original concentration.
33:30
Speaker 1: But I think like on Randy Thompson's flood, and in fact,
33:33
Speaker 1: I was off by a factor of ten. When we
33:36
Speaker 1: made the appropriate correction for the mathematical error that I
33:39
Speaker 1: had made, suddenly became an elite the level of ethyne
33:43
Speaker 1: glacol well with me, the former chief medical examiner for
33:47
Speaker 1: the whole state of Georgia, doctor Chris Sperry, And what
33:50
Speaker 1: you said earlier about the lab results, You're right, they
33:55
Speaker 1: were not checked carefully. What happened. Doctor Sperry Component had
34:01
Speaker 1: when he had done the autopsy on Randy Thompson. He
34:03
Speaker 1: found these crystals in the kidneys that were very mysterious,
34:08
Speaker 1: and he brought those to me to look at. And
34:11
Speaker 1: I was suspicious as well. And that's when I called
34:15
Speaker 1: up the Cobb County Medical Examiner's office and asked for
34:19
Speaker 1: the tissue slides that they had made after Glynn Turner's death.
34:25
Speaker 1: And a few days later I got the slides. And
34:28
Speaker 1: that was when I figured out that the slides had
34:31
Speaker 1: never been reviewed, had never been looked at, because they
34:34
Speaker 1: were still glued in their little spaces in the cardboard
34:41
Speaker 1: container that we store slides in. They were made but
34:44
Speaker 1: never looked at. So we looked at the slides, started
34:47
Speaker 1: Component and I, and sure enough the crystals were in
34:51
Speaker 1: the kidneys of Glynn Turner. And that put two a
34:55
Speaker 1: two together. As I have told you many many times
35:01
Speaker 1: in your former office at the Medical Examiner's headquarters, would
35:07
Speaker 1: you please repeat that in regular people talk everything you
35:11
Speaker 1: just said? Sure? Could you just say that again and
35:14
Speaker 1: slow it down for trial lawyers like myself to understand?
35:17
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Oh? Sure, well, Doctor Components had brought me
35:24
Speaker 1: the tissue slides from Randy Thompson, and we found crystals,
35:29
Speaker 1: the little shiny crystals that glow like Christmas trees in
35:33
Speaker 1: the kidneys from Randy Thompson's autopsy. But there's only a
35:39
Speaker 1: few things that these crystals could be come from, and
35:43
Speaker 1: one of those things that's pretty high on the list
35:46
Speaker 1: is anti freeze. The chemical name is ethlee glycol. But
35:52
Speaker 1: if someone drinks anti freeze, the body will try to
35:56
Speaker 1: metabolize the anti freeze and it ended up as crystal
36:00
Speaker 1: deposited in the kidneys, which actually will make the kidneys
36:03
Speaker 1: shut down. So looking at that, and we had no
36:08
Speaker 1: reason to glind Turner to, I assumed be Randy Thompson
36:13
Speaker 1: did not have any diseases or medical conditions that would
36:17
Speaker 1: cause him to form these types of crystals. Then I
36:21
Speaker 1: didn't actually myself called the Cobb County Medical Examiner's office
36:26
Speaker 1: and asked for tissue slides from glind Turners of autopsy
36:33
Speaker 1: and I got them. They were said to me in
36:35
Speaker 1: a couple of days in a plastic card in a
36:38
Speaker 1: cardboard contain we store slides in these tissue slides we
36:42
Speaker 1: make from autopsy tissues, and lord behold the slides had
36:47
Speaker 1: never been removed from that cardboard container, because they will
36:53
Speaker 1: sometimes get little dabs of glue that we use in
36:57
Speaker 1: making the slides that will make them stick to the
37:00
Speaker 1: cardboard container. And all of them were stuck down. They
37:04
Speaker 1: had never been looked at. So doctor component and I
37:07
Speaker 1: put them under the microscope, I would behold. We found
37:11
Speaker 1: the same type of crystals in that we had seen
37:15
Speaker 1: in Randy Thompson's kidney slides. We found the same types
37:18
Speaker 1: of crystals and Glenn turners. And with both of those together,
37:23
Speaker 1: the only thing that would cause crystals in the kidneys
37:28
Speaker 1: of two otherwise healthy men would be anti freeze poisoning.
37:32
Speaker 1: Doctor Sperry. I'm just curious. When you order them, and
37:39
Speaker 1: based on what you're learning, you go, hey, I want
37:41
Speaker 1: to see those slides. You order them, and you put
37:45
Speaker 1: the slide. You see they've never been taken out of
37:49
Speaker 1: the container because they're still kind of glued in. You
37:52
Speaker 1: take them out, you put them, I guess under a microscope, right,
37:55
Speaker 1: and you see these, as you say, crystals. What does
37:58
Speaker 1: that look like for the rest of us, what can
38:01
Speaker 1: we how can we compare that? It looks like looking
38:03
Speaker 1: at a bunch of stars on a dark night, looking
38:07
Speaker 1: up and see it all stars. You're cutting out on me,
38:12
Speaker 1: But stars, okay, You're findings suddenly lead to an investigation,
38:20
Speaker 1: and we learned that Lynn Turner had gone to an
38:22
Speaker 1: animal shelter and try to purchase a chemical used to
38:25
Speaker 1: kill cats. Some people believe that she wanted to kill
38:31
Speaker 1: boyfriend Randy Thompson. In the end, she's taken a trial.
38:37
Speaker 1: That's when I staked her out in a parking lot,
38:40
Speaker 1: and she is found guilty on a double murder. But
38:45
Speaker 1: that is not the end of the story. Lynn Turner
38:50
Speaker 1: goes to jail. But to you, doctor Chris Berry, how
38:55
Speaker 1: does this story ultimately end? A few years after she
38:58
Speaker 1: was imprisoned, we got a call one morning that she
39:02
Speaker 1: had been found dead in her cell, and so that,
39:07
Speaker 1: you know, gets her an automatic autopsy. And I did
39:10
Speaker 1: the autopsy myself, and what I found was that she
39:14
Speaker 1: had saved up. She had high blood pressure, and instead
39:17
Speaker 1: of taking her high blood pressure pills every day, she
39:21
Speaker 1: saved them up surreptitiously. And once she had we figure
39:27
Speaker 1: about forty to fifty of the of the high blood
39:29
Speaker 1: blood pressure medicine pills, she took all of them all
39:33
Speaker 1: at one time. And killed herself. What would that do
39:36
Speaker 1: to you? Taking that many high bloo pressure pills, that
39:38
Speaker 1: particular pill, what it would do Her heart would gradually
39:42
Speaker 1: slow down because that particular pill affects the way the
39:46
Speaker 1: heart beats, and it will slow the heart down normally,
39:50
Speaker 1: and in toxic doses, it will just cause the heart
39:54
Speaker 1: to ultimately slow down and stop on its own Doctor's berry.
39:58
Speaker 1: As I recall, she fed Randy Thompson annie freeze sweet
40:04
Speaker 1: tasting and sweet tea, and fed Gland Turner annie freeze
40:08
Speaker 1: in jello. Remember that. Yeah, the end of the story.
40:14
Speaker 1: Questions answered, But the memory of these two men still
40:19
Speaker 1: burn in the minds of their families. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,