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The Last of Us Part 2 Special: Episode 2 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andy and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome stuff I never told you production of iHeart Radio,
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  Speaker 2: and welcome to the second episode of our seven episode
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  Speaker 2: mini series we are doing on season two of the
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  Speaker 2: Last of Us, which is not a sponsor. As ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: as that isous it is very ridiculous. If you're familiar
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: with this segment, then you know basically what we're doing
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: is we're reacting to the previous week's episode, and we're
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: only spoiling that episode plus the previous season, the first game,
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: and parts of the second game, but not plotline parts.
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  Speaker 2: We're being very careful here. Yeah, we're trying our best.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're doing a pretty good job so far.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, this is just a special thing we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully you enjoy it even if you haven't watched the
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  Speaker 2: show or played the game, although maybe not for this episode,
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  Speaker 2: which we'll talk about. But yeah, there's only seven and
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  Speaker 2: then we'll eventually get to season three because they're splitting
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  Speaker 2: the second game into at least two seasons, and I
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  Speaker 2: personally think it's going to be three seasons, but we
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  Speaker 2: will see. That is what we're doing here. I did
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  Speaker 2: want to say before we get into this one. The
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  Speaker 2: Showwriners have called this the Empire strikes Back season, so
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: make of that what you will. Also, this is why
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: I need a fandom therapist. I looked it up. There
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: are fandom therapists, but really they're just like therapists that
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: no fandoms. I need to tell me why this upsets
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  Speaker 2: you so much? When XYZ happens in this game, That's
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  Speaker 2: what I need. But anyway, please see your past episodes.
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: But the way these works is Samantha gives the recap
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  Speaker 2: and then I go through all of my thoughts. Anaya
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of thoughts about this one, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she has many thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: I did not count the oh no's because there was
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  Speaker 3: too many guts.
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  Speaker 2: There's a yeah, I think I guessed the very first moment.
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  Speaker 1: You did before I even even I think it started.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, really.
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  Speaker 2: Because the sound effect, I was like.
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  Speaker 3: Immediately like it was like nothing had happened except for
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  Speaker 3: the sound effect.
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  Speaker 1: So I did not get keep count.
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  Speaker 3: But I do have some amazing pictures of you and
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  Speaker 3: your friends are friends friends of the show. Marissa and
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  Speaker 3: Katie's reaction and it's quite hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: It is a tale there they are tales. But here
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  Speaker 1: we go. Are you ready any Yeah? Sure you ready?
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  Speaker 3: We open to a scene of a dream or not.
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  Speaker 3: Abby is going down the hospital corridors because she's hearing
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  Speaker 3: the alarms and as she's going down hearing snipe likes
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  Speaker 3: like screams and muffle screams. In the background, we hear
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  Speaker 3: someone say, don't do don't go in there, because she
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  Speaker 3: has reached the operating room and she turns to look
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  Speaker 3: as hers herself and then she's saying, don't go in there,
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  Speaker 3: don't go in there. You'll regret this. Don't go in there,
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  Speaker 3: and they're like, you're lying. She's saying that you're lying,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong. Well, essentially back and forth, and finally
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  Speaker 3: she's like, Okay, you're gonna regret this. You're gonna see
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  Speaker 3: his brains on the floor, and essentially she goes in
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  Speaker 3: scream wake up. We find Abby now up to date
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  Speaker 3: the five years later, she and her crew are at
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  Speaker 3: a cabin close to Joel and Ellie's and Kamma Jackson,
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  Speaker 3: and they have been searching for Joel the entire time.
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  Speaker 3: As the light shines down on them because apparently, I
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  Speaker 3: guess I got must have got there at night and
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  Speaker 3: they didn't see. They look out and see that the
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  Speaker 3: area that they've been searching for is a giant town.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a small keep like a couple of tents
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  Speaker 3: here and there is a whole village.
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  Speaker 1: And they were not ready.
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  Speaker 3: So they have a hole back and forth for a
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  Speaker 3: minute about what to do in plans, and Abby is
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  Speaker 3: holding firm she will find Joel. They will find a way,
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  Speaker 3: they will find she. Her plan is to find someone
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  Speaker 3: who knows about the town, take them in, get the
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  Speaker 3: information that they need, and then dot dot dot because
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  Speaker 3: they're like, you can't just let them go, and they
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  Speaker 3: we'll deal with it. So as Abby gets ready she's
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  Speaker 3: going to go on patrol herself. The rest of them
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  Speaker 3: are coming around together saying, what are we going to do.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way we can take them. We're all going
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  Speaker 3: to die, in which Owen says, my plan is to
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  Speaker 3: convince her to turn around. So end of that, Abby
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  Speaker 3: makes her way out in the very freezing cold.
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  Speaker 1: Oh dear god.
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  Speaker 3: We come to back to Jackson. We see Ellie being
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  Speaker 3: woken up by Jesse saying, we need to go on patrol.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta do your duty. Da Da Da and there's
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  Speaker 3: a whole cute back and forth which is actually in
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  Speaker 3: the game about the fact. She's like, look, man, last
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  Speaker 3: night was crazy because he was like I heard y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all got into them some things after I left, and
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  Speaker 3: she was like, oh no, everything was crazy. Dina was drunk.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know all these things, and Dina didn't mean it,
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, what I was talking about, you get
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  Speaker 3: in a fight and then he's like.
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  Speaker 2: It's all stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe you would do this, blah blah, just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: I knew I don't care type of thing, and then
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  Speaker 3: she was like shut up and she goes get it
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  Speaker 3: ready and he's like no, but that was kind of dumb,
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  Speaker 3: and she's like ah. So they go on and he
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  Speaker 3: keeps talking about what's going on with him with Joel,
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  Speaker 3: with everything, and finally she's like, Joel and I are good.
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  Speaker 1: We're fine.
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  Speaker 3: Joel's Joel, I am me and we're fine. It's just
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  Speaker 3: we handle it as in fact, let me go patrol
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  Speaker 3: with him. You're getting on nurse. Let me go patrol
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  Speaker 3: a hit with him, and he's like, you can't. He
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  Speaker 3: went out with Dina, but also Maria wants to talk
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: to us. So they go to the cantina where Seth
• 6:08
  Speaker 3: I guess owns it or runs it, and Assessed the
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  Speaker 3: apologizes with a steak sandwich and we had we had
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  Speaker 3: a stake sandwich Annie the first episode, thinking that episode
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  Speaker 3: was going to be the first episode we miss moving
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  Speaker 3: miscalculated just.
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  Speaker 2: Want because it's the first scene yeah, after the title
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  Speaker 2: card in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we are Yeah, I had to come back
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  Speaker 1: to it.
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  Speaker 3: We were all also off on the second one. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: moving on, we didn't do so well with the predictions
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  Speaker 3: for the mills, so we move on and they are
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  Speaker 3: all going on patrol. At the same time, we have
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  Speaker 3: Tommy giving a spiel about protocols because there's a giant
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  Speaker 3: mass amount of infected out there and they found out
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  Speaker 3: that they're all under the snow and there's tons of them,
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  Speaker 3: so just be aware. So they have a whole plan
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  Speaker 3: about how to keep the city safe, if the village
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  Speaker 3: is safe, and everybody's responsibilities and duties doing all this
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  Speaker 3: and reminding people what to do and protocols. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like that was foreshadowing obviously, as they are still working
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  Speaker 3: on that pipe that we saw from the first episode.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he cuts into it and he.
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  Speaker 3: Realizes, oh no, the court is ups are communicating, are communicating,
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  Speaker 3: And then we flash onto finding Abby. He's still traveling
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  Speaker 3: and she is a bound to determine because she just
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  Speaker 3: spotted two people on a horse and she's like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta get them, I gotta get them. She's going
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  Speaker 3: downhill and she's like like steep hills, just sliding, just sliding.
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  Speaker 1: All the way down to the point.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: She loses her gun and she goes into the middle
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  Speaker 3: of nowhere and she looks around. She realizes this, holy crap,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of infected, a lot of bloaters like just sticking.
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  Speaker 3: And it was really a scary scene. She's looking around like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, Oh my god, what do I do?
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  Speaker 3: And they start coming awake because they realize she's there.
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  Speaker 3: Also again the communicating with the village, so a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things are happening. So she like runs for it,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a whole scene. It kinda is like the
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  Speaker 3: behind the Back, not behind the Bassards, the Battle of
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  Speaker 3: the Bastards scene. Y'all know, Game of Thrown people know, Okay, anyway,
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  Speaker 3: moving on, they run and run and run. She goes
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  Speaker 3: to what a building and climbs over a wall and
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  Speaker 3: then she's like going to the side and makes the
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  Speaker 3: mistake of being around a fenced area, a wire fence,
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  Speaker 3: and oh that scene. Because they are trying to get
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  Speaker 3: to her every way possible. One breaks through, it's like
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  Speaker 3: grabbing at her. She goes through and.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: And then we hear a gunshot and it's Joel and
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  Speaker 3: he has rescued her and he pulls her up and
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  Speaker 3: they go around and they're trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 3: to do inside the building.
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  Speaker 1: So Dina and Joel and Abby are all together. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god.
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  Speaker 3: So during this time they're trying to figure out where
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  Speaker 3: to go, what to do. She Abby says, my people
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  Speaker 3: are here, they're up in the cabin.
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  Speaker 1: We can make it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: So they're like make a decision, grab onto each other
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  Speaker 3: and move on. And by the way, Dina's like, who
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  Speaker 3: are you? She does where did you come from?
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  Speaker 1: Where did you come from?
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  Speaker 3: So she asks a good question that I'm really surprised
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  Speaker 3: Joel didn't ask. We flashed back and we realize, holy crap,
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  Speaker 3: they infected are coming and they are all coming for Jackson,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody's preparing.
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  Speaker 1: We got the whole wall.
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  Speaker 3: We've got like barrels crashing with gas, and we got
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  Speaker 3: all the guns, people in the village getting ready, people
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  Speaker 3: at the top getting ready to shoot. So it's everything's
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  Speaker 3: happening with all the children and women are being put
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  Speaker 3: into bunkers.
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  Speaker 1: Essentially, Wow, this is going down, and oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: We see the giant floater, like the really big messy
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  Speaker 3: one messy and they know he's coming, and so Tommy
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  Speaker 3: yells they're gonna breach because there's no way to stop them.
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  Speaker 3: We have flamethrower people getting ready to go, and then
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  Speaker 3: two of them runaway.
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  Speaker 2: You know. The other one is Seth I killed.
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  Speaker 1: Does he die in the game?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he see him again in the game.
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  Speaker 3: But well that is a variation from the game, because
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  Speaker 3: that does not happen in the game, correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, oh, this whole thing doesn't happen in the game.
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  Speaker 3: Well later, yeah, But like anyway, so we have that saying,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, it's a whole thing. We have Maria
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  Speaker 3: and Tommy making eye contact with each other knowing what's
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: going down. Tommy's running down getting that flamethrower because again,
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  Speaker 3: two people will make an exit, not the coolest.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, and they're trying to all fight uh these floaters.
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  Speaker 1: We go back to Abby and Dina. Because it's a
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: cut back and forth drama, there's a lot of trauma.
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  Speaker 3: So we go back and Abby and Dina and Joel
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  Speaker 3: have made it to the cabin and everybody's like trying
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  Speaker 3: to fix mel It's really on top of the trying
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  Speaker 3: to get in the warm up, trying to give him food,
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  Speaker 3: making sure they don't have like frost happening.
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  Speaker 1: Dina is noticing.
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  Speaker 3: Nina is very aware of everything, watching looking at people,
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  Speaker 3: looking at tags and like trying to figure out who
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  Speaker 3: they were, and like where are you from? Who are
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  Speaker 3: you at the Then this is when we see the
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: gun being pointed at Joel, and Abby pretty much tells
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  Speaker 3: her intentions about what's going on after she's kind of
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: given the hint and like this is so, and so
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  Speaker 3: this is Joel, this is it? Like like she makes
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  Speaker 3: a giant announcement. All of them are like what what
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: and so that has happened? And Abby begins her speech
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  Speaker 3: about what she's doing, who she was, and how she
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: lost everyone and she's like, you know, do you know
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  Speaker 3: who I am?
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  Speaker 1: Essentially, and he was.
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  Speaker 3: Like are you military? She's like, do we look like military?
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  Speaker 3: And you know, he does a little observation. He's like no,
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  Speaker 3: He's like, wait, are you firefly? And he kind of
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: gets that and she's like, didn't you know all the
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: fireflies are dead? Drama, and then at this point he
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: gets shut in the knee. She takes his kneecap out.
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  Speaker 3: At the same time, they have Dina. Dina's freaking out,
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  Speaker 3: and Abby instructs them to put Dina to sleep, so
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: like gives her medicine, so she gets knocked out and
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: she falls out, and he.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, all the bad things are happening.
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  Speaker 3: All the while, Ellie and Jesse have also gone on patrol,
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: so they actually don't know what's going down. Because the
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: storm has gotten so bad, they are told to, you know,
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: get shelter. So they go and do their thing. Put
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  Speaker 3: the horses left, get in the shelter, lay about.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out to be a eu Jay's place.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of weed, lots of good bonds, all the things
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  Speaker 3: there if you need it. She talks about all the
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: things that she's going to take back, and this was
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  Speaker 3: a variation as well that I know we're going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about, but like you know, here we have a
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: representation of who Jane was a We find out that
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: Jean had been a firefly as well, and that he
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: quit a while ago because he was tired of all
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  Speaker 3: the killing quote unquote something. A conversation comes up about
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: how it was really sad when Joel had to put
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: him down, and that's kind of the end of that story.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: In that moment that like, we don't know much more
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 3: While this is happening, they do get an alert and
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  Speaker 3: this is kind of pre attack on the Jackson just
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: they just know it's coming, and people are calling them
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  Speaker 3: and saying, hey, we can't find Joel, we can't reach Joel,
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  Speaker 3: we can't find Dina.
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  Speaker 1: So Ellie and Jesse are like, we're down, let's go,
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  Speaker 1: let's go.
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  Speaker 3: So they immediately get their stuff and immediately make their
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  Speaker 3: way up. They make a plan to go around so
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: they can cover more space, so they split up. Jesse
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  Speaker 3: goes one way, Ellie goes the other, and that's where
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: we can come back again. Back in the town big Bloater,
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  Speaker 3: going after Tommy. Tommy's about to die. We got a
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: flame thrower that is crapidly losing gas and he's like
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: About to die.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to die like he's you can see it everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And then as that ends, the Blowter dies. He gets roasted,
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  Speaker 1: really really well, really really good and roasted.
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  Speaker 3: And it comes back to battle and seeing all the
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: dead bodies, but he's still going after all the other
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  Speaker 3: uh infected, because that's obviously happening as he's trying to
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: round out.
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  Speaker 1: That and of the battle there.
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  Speaker 3: All the while, I didn't forget to tell y'all that
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  Speaker 3: Joel does see what's happening in Jackson because he sees
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: all the flames and he's trying to rally he was
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: he was trying to rally everybody back to go to there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, again when he figured out what was going down,
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  Speaker 3: he knew what was happening. Abby gives a big speech
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: about what's happening. He says, you know, just kill me.
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I'm so tired of the speech. If you're going to
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: do it, do it. So At the same time, Happy
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: finees a bag of golf clubs, the infamous golf clubs.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure we got trolled with that comment.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: That I read that day.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say something, but I was like
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: we can't explain why it's a punt. I think it's.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I think it was.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. So she takes that nine iron and goes to
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: town on a very brutal, brutal beating, brutal beating on him,
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  Speaker 3: and she is taking out all her rage and everybody's
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: just watching and like, if you watch the faces of
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: her friends and her allies, you have different emotions between yes,
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: vengeance and yes enjoyment and yes disgust. Like there's several
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: different concern as this going down.
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  Speaker 1: We have Ellie's hearing this.
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  Speaker 3: Ellie has approached the cab and she made it first,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: she sees their horses and she's like, okay, what's happening?
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  Speaker 3: Goes in Godziah and she hears noises and can't bear
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  Speaker 3: out what it is. And as she opens the door,
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  Speaker 3: she realizes something that Joel is in there. And as
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  Speaker 3: that happens, she comes in, she gets attacked because she
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: doesn't see everybody because she's in the panic, and it's
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  Speaker 3: the gun is taken from her and she's put down,
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  Speaker 3: not I mean first, she definitely takes a swipe with
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: a knife, gets one of them in the face.
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  Speaker 1: Manny gets gets a cut in the face, which he
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: is not happy about the entire time.
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  Speaker 3: But she's put down and having to witness what is happening.
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  Speaker 3: The rest of the crew Abbey's cruise just tell her
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: to get it over with. They're done, we gotta go,
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: we gotta go. And so the final blow is with
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: the broken club chink to the head, essentially to Joel.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: We see Joel.
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  Speaker 3: He does try to get up as Ellie is pleading
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: for him to get up, does not get up.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Ellie tells them I will kill you all. I will
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: find you and I will kill you all. They leave
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  Speaker 1: her out the door very quick and leave.
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  Speaker 3: We have her just alone with Joel's body because Dina
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: is hasted out and not awake. Jesse makes his way
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: up there. Eventually, as the scene clears at Jackson Hole
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: or Jackson Wyoming, they have defeated all of the infected,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: but now they're having to kill off their own people
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: who have been bitten and clean up the mess that
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: is there. Tommy and Maria are united and are okay
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: and walk away, and the final scene we see Ellie, Dina,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: and Jesse on horses dragging Joel's body back to the encampment.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Or back to the village end scene.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: About the cry right now. Oh terrible, Oh my god.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: It is all terrible.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It's very good.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, how are you?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I'm good. This is okay. This is the one that
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I've been wanting to talk about. I'm so relieved it
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: out there because it is just we're gonna get into it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: But it was so emotionally devastating when I played it,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: and it was really hard. We weren't even sure what
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: they were gonna do, right because Pedro Pascal and We're like,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: are they gonna are they gonna do it? We don't know.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: They did it, and they did it and they stuck.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Like even though her Ellie walking in I remember this
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: in the playthrough, hearing the hearing the noise, so she
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: didn't know exactly what was happening until she opened the door.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: It was spot on.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're in talk about that later because that
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: that kind of ringing sound is going to be recurrent
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: from here on out. But okay, let's get into it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Because I have a lot of thoughts about this.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I will say Annie did not react the way I
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: thought she was going to react. I thought you would
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: be on the floor screaming Joel's name. Much like the game.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: When we first played that through, Annie just sat in
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: my partner's living room. This is like COVID during the lockdown. Yeah,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: with a piece of apple pie. It was for her birthday,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I believe, Yeah, and her sobbing and just saying Joel why,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: and then my dog sheches just staring at her. I
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: think it was more for the pie, but then he
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: was also she was also confused about what was happening. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: So for us to see the scene, knowing that it
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: was coming, we weren't. We were sure if it was
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: gonna be this episode of the next.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: But you did not.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: You you did.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: You were in tears, like the emotions were there, but
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: it wasn't as in depth or like, uh, as long
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: or as deep as I thought it was gonna be.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I did upon another rewatch, I had had a pretty
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I had it pretty good. But I think because I
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: was just so relieved, which sounds awful, but like I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: just haven't bating it. Yeah, I was anticipating it. I've
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: played that game fifteen to twenty times, and I'm not exaggerating.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think more than that. I think it's probably
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty, but who knows, I could probably look
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: but I just was like, finally I could share this
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: pain with people. And I do feel kind of bad
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: because I said I was looking forward to like schaden Freuda,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and now I've gotten a lot of videos of it,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry, you're so sad.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: But I'm also like, I know what you're going through.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and it happened so early. We'll get into
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: that second. But okay, first of all, let's start with
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the title name, which, as I said, had cost me
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of consternation because it was the only title
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: name they didn't confirm previously because they knew they knew
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: everyone who played the game. We were looking for when
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: is this episode it's gonna happen, So it's called it's
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: titled Through the Valley. And this is a reference to
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: a song that Ashley Johnson, who is the voice of
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Ellie in the game, covered, and you first hear her
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: cover it in a twenty sixteen trailer for the Last
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of Us two, which tells you how long these games
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: take to make, because the first one came out in
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and when in that trailer, it's very clear
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: there's a vengeance story, but we didn't know what it was.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And when you listen to the lyrics, it's all about like,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I'm strong and my convict, I'm going to do what
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I have to do. My soul will be damned though
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I'm on the wrong side. And in the trailer it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: focused on Ellie, but in the show it kind of
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: starts on Ellie and then it moves to Abby, which
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I think was very purposeful. But that is where that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: song at the end comes from. But yeah, let us
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: talk about the big battle scene. This actually is not
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: in the game at all. There is a scene like
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: it where the Horde that's chasing Abby Joel in this
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: case Tommy, which we'll talk about in a second. It
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: wasn't DNA. It was Tommy. Back to the lodge where
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Abby and her crew are. They do throw like a
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: lot of them all the top cocktails and set the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Horde on fire, but it is nothing like this. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: suspect this was in part a response to the complaint
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that they didn't have enough infected in the first season,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: so they're like, hey, won't act there, let's do it. Then.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Did you know the person who directed this episode was
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: like did do some Game of Throne as well as Succession,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: and then apparently in Succession he directed the most like
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: one of the most famous deaths in Succession, so they
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: brought him in so that it feels like they did
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that to make sure to have it have that feel.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe he said in the like behind
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the scenes after the episode, he was like, I need
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to the thing I knew I needed to get right
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: with Joel's death, Like I knew I had to get
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the makeup right, get all that right. But one thing
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that is different about how the infected act in this
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: is they're communicating almost like telepathically. I mean it's through
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the roots, which is new to the show as well.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: But I didn't notice this until I was watching something later.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: But when the Bloat, which is the big one, is coming,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Tommy notices that they all start following all the other
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: infected called runners start following the bloater because they know
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the Bloater can break in to the break in, so
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: they're making strategic choices. Now they're smarter now.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: They did address in the episode about the ghost.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Story, yes, but they really and then like that scene
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: where they're all chasing after Abby and Joel and Dina
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and then they kind of branch off, like it's like
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: a fish school coming together. They're coming together in a
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: way that's very scary. And the Bloater and the game
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: is like very difficult. And by the way, they also
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: explode when they die, so everybody, we were all screaming
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: out the TV like, no, Tommy's gonna die. But they
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: got rid of that for the show. So Tommy is fine.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: But like the flame throwers one of your most powerful weapons.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: You get it at the end of both games, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: for Tommy, the slame thur in the game also is
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: only a campfire kind of amount of fuel, but he
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: had two like full canisters of gas and this floater
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: was not going down, So that suggests that they're evolving
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and becoming stronger to humanity's defenses. Also, I have to say,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: well that you hear that growl of the Bloater.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, the coming, before we could see it,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: she kept saying it's coming.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I hear the Bloater.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: One thing we do have in our house because my
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: partner really really gets excited about sound, is a pseudo
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: surround sound set up, so you do have that like
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: background noise and then behind you.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that sounds so ingrained. You're like, he's just
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: around here, somewhere. But also I did love and I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: think your partner pointed this out too, but there's this
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: scene where you can when the blower is coming for
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Tommy on like a one on one fight, you can
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: see its reflection in the window. That was cool. That
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: was really cool. This isn't I guess this isn't part
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: of the big battle scene, but I'm gonna include it
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: because it was a pretty big set piece. But the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: scene where Abby is crawling under the fence and it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: like collapsing under all of those infected is like straight
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: from the game, and it's terrifying because you're kind of crawling, which,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: by the way, you do play as Abby. We're gonna
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: talk about that in a second, but at this point
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you're playing Zabby and you're crawling under and that was
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: really good. I also just want to kind of flag
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the dogs. So the second game introduces this very terrifying
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: functionality where people have have dogs that can smell you
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: when you're hiding, so you can't just like hide in
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the bushes like I like to do. The dog will
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: find you, so you have to either run or kill
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the dog. I don't know. I don't know what they're
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: going to do in the show, but I will say
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: if they follow the game, there is going to be
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: at least one dog death. Yes, I mean, I'll try
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to warn everybody once we get to that. If I
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: think they're going to do it, I'll try to warn you.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. I have no idea. But that's
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that is a new thing they introduced in the second game.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: But it was really cool. It was really cool. It
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: felt very helms deeper Game of Thrones, and I did
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: like seeing how prepared they were. And it was also
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: kind of so sad because even with all those preparations,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: just the carnage, absolute carnage, and Jackson is not in
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a good shape, which again this did not happen in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the game. None of this happened in the game. I
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: think they added it in both because of the you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: people will like it, but I think they also put
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it in there because it added a lot more drama
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: in terms of we had so many moving pieces, everybody's
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in danger, we don't know what's gonna happen, right, And
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: it was effective. It happened so fast, and it's like
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: bouncing back between so many things.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Uh, they did please a lot of drama in one
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: episode an hour.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: It's only an hour, so I did want to touch
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: on some key differences before we get to the big
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the big thing we must talk about. Uh. So one is,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: as we mentioned, in the game, Jesse, it's Tommy and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Joel that go on patrol together, and it's Ellie and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Dina bank go on patrol together. And then Jesse later
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: finds Ellie and Dina at Eugen's hideout and he's like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: oh God, we can't find Joel and Tommy. So that's different.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I have a couple of reasons for why I think
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that is, but I will say, you know, when Abby's
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: doing her like hey, here are names, Dina definitely picked
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: up on that and remembers all their names, which I
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: believe is replacing a mechanic in the game where you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: find all their photos. So I think it's okay, yeah,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: because she knows she knows all their names, she saw
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the patch. And another one, a huge one that I'm
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about more in a second, is
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: that in the show, you know Abby's motivation in the game,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you do not at all. You have no idea. You've
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: got your theories, but you have got no clue, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: it can it kind of completely changes how that scene
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: plays out. Then, Yes, the destruction of Jackson, that's new.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I do think it's a pretty stark reminder that they're
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: not safe and they got kind of complacent. I mean,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: obviously they were prepared, but they just had a lot
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: of stuff that a lot of people outside of Jackson
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: don't have. They had this nice celebration the night before.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So when Joel sees Jackson on fire and he makes
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the choice ultimately to trust Staddy or be like, okay,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: we'll go with you, that, I mean that kind of
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: makes it worse that he dies, not knowing just knowing
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that Jackson.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: There's so many things.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I know, It's awful, so bad. I love it though,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: but yeah, he dies like knowing Jackson's on fire and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: all the people he loves are there, and but also
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Ellie is right there and watching it, so that is different.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I read some interesting I was watching a good breakdown
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: of it today and I also read that you know
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: kind of when Jesse and Ellie go out and they
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: see the storm and they're like, oh no, it would
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: be fine, we don't worry about it, and it turns
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: out they definitely did. But also Abby is in the mountain,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: so it's sort of like dismissing this threat that was
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: up there, and Abby unintentionally is the one that awakens
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: all of those infected when she falls down, and Abby
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: was there for Joel. So it's just kind of a
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: mess of the fallout of the decisions these characters make,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: which is sort of something we're going to see a
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: lot of coming work. But all right, let's talk about
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the big thing, Joel's death. Oh man, oh my gosh.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm really relieved it's out there. I'm
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: so ready to talk about it. I have gotten so
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: many texts about it, including from people I haven't heard
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: from literally two years. Didn't even say what they're talking about,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: just said how could you? And I assume they're talking.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: About this, which is hilarious because it's not like you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: controlled the game in any least way.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, but it was great. I was like, oh yeah, sorry,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And it is like I'm joking about it because it
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: was really painful, Like I went through the five stages
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of grief with this game, and I started with denial.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be real with you.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: He's dead. He's dead.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's not gonna there's no magic in that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Nope, he is not coming back. He is dead. There
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: are a lot of flashbacks that he'll be in so
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that we understand what happened of the five years we missed,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: So he's not gone. I guess Pedro Pascal will be back,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: but he is dead. And one of the reasons I
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: say this is that when the game first came out,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: they had this fake out trailer where all a lot
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: of the scenes that you play later in the game
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you see Joel in them. It turns out it's not Joel,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: it's Jesse actually, so they pulled it. So I thought
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: he was going to come back. I saw what I saw,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: and I was like, can't be I saw.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: The trailer, this is not true. I was really like,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know what this is, but it's gotta be wrong.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: But it was incredibly, incredibly painful, a lot of DearS
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: over many playthroughs.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But another thing with this is we talked about this
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: in our episode we did on the most recent remaster,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: there's a documentary about how this game got made and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of things went wrong because of the pandemic.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: One of the big ones was that they delayed the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: game both because of supply chain because of the pandemic,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and they knew this was going to be a huge
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: spoiler and they were trying to protect it. But that
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: made a fan in quotes really angry. And because the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: engineer there's the designers were working from home, this fan
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was able to get into their servers and was like
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: basically doing kind of a hostage threat with the gam
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: where it's like I'm gonna leak a scene every day
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: until you release the geit and he got frustrated and
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: eventually was like yea agile diyes here's the sun and
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: it blew up. Like people were furious. And this is
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: if you remember in the last one I said stay
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: away from Reddit when it comes to Last of As two.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: It had a huge impact because the game is meant
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to be played, it's meant to go. You got to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: go through the whole thing. It's like grief, you got
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to go through the whole thing. And so people were
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: seeing this one scene and they were so outraged by it,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to the point like I've had people who never played
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the game tell me they hate it for X Y Z,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, but the it's not actually what happens,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: and they go, but they've heard this kind of like
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Reddit dialogue, and it's really sad. It's really heartbreaking because,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: as I said, the Firskin came out in twenty thirteen,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: this one came out in twenty twenty, so seven years
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of work and have it leaked and then torn apart
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: and then get death threats for it. It's pretty awful.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: But it also is kind of funny because some of
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the people involved or like, I don't care if you
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: get spoiled on the show Man done, Like, yeah, that's fair,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: that's fair. But anyway, I do know that they wanted
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: to kill now. I know they wanted to kill Joel
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Off pretty early in the show too, because they were
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: worried that it would get out. So they still care
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: a little. But yeah, anyway, but I had no idea.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I had never parents and anything like this in a game.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But so you start as playing Joel, you played most
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of the first game as and Joel tells Tommy what
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: happened in the first game with the Fireflies with Ellie
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and her being immune and then after the title card,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: that's where it starts to seem with Jesse, who's waking
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: her up from Morning Patrol, which we saw in this episode,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and you're starting you start controlling Ellie. Another thing they
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: did is they you knew, like I said, it was
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a vengeance tale, but they made you believe it was Dina.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Dina was the one that was going to die. And
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that's why at first I was like, maybe that's why
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: they put Dina here. I still think I think they
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: were just kind of trying.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: To save still messing with us.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I think so. I have a theory, but I'm going
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to wait for the next episode to explain. But yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: we really thought it was her. And I remember when
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I got this game, I went and found it. Here's
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: what it says on the Beck experienced the devastating physical
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and emotional consequences of Ellie's vengeance as you embark on
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a relentless pursuit of those who have wronged her. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: knew I was in for it. I was like, oh, no,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be wrong. And it was.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It was, but it was rougher than I could have
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: ever imagined. And Joel's death happened so fast in the game,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: it's within an hour. It doesn't the show too, but
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: it's just like everything falls apart so quickly, and it
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: completely shifts what you think this is going to be. Wow,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: especially because you've got like the relationship between Joel and
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Ellie being so fractured and then he's dead hour O yep.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And to reiterate, you had no idea who these people
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: were that were coming in or why they were there.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: You know why I'm controlling this random character because you're
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: controlling Abby within the first hour as well. You don't
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: even know who they're looking for. The first time I
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: played it, I thought they were looking for Ellie, but no,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you don't know. And yeah, you control Abby at the
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: fence part. You're looking for these patrols. It's a real mind.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: And there's actually one that's wilder, way wilder later that
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I cannot wait to talk about. And then there's another
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: one that just hits you where hurts. Oh. They love
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: doing that, they love doing it. But the shock factor
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: of this death is really hard to overstate because I nope,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I couldn't couldn't believe it, couldn't believe it. It does
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: play out differently in the show because of you know,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: you know, Abby's motivations, which gives it an added layer
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: of tension because you know, but I think it diminishes
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the shop. But people who haven't played the game and
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: just watched the show, you can write in and tell
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: me I'm not sure. I've seen a lot of different reactions. Interestingly,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of you know, hey, they humanized
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Abby a bit more in the show because at this
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: point in the game, you have no idea, you have
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: no clue, but you feel really helpless, and I feel
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: like they captured that in the show as well, where
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: it's just like everything is unraveling and you're too late
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: or you made the wrong decisions and you can't stop
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: it now. But it is also the consequences of your
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: actions as a character and as a gamer. So that
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: is one thing I love about this game is it
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: really makes you question some of the things you've done,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of video games like this,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: not necessarily with the humans in the game, but it's
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: kind of fun to kill clickers if you know what
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: you're doing. Like it's it's sort of the point is
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: it's like this is the objective and then this comes
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: in and is like, but actually there's consequences to what
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: you did and now you've got to face it. Whoo,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: which brings us too Abby, Abby, Abby. One of the
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: reasons I always say it like that is because Ellie
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: gets so obsessed with event she just starts repeating Abby's name.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite, like most disturbing scenes in
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the game, but it became a whole thing. When we
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: would play it. I would do places we would just say.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It would include that in other games, yes.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: You would, which I have looked up. Her name Abby
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: means my father is Joy, which makes sense. So in
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the show she is the same age as Ellie is
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: currently when she found her dad dead, So so that's
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a We're going to see a lot of these parallel she.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Abby was nineteen when she found her dad dead. Now
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Ellie has witnessed a father figure die in front of her.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Abby has this whole speech about how she broke her code.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: She does not get to have the speech in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: game because they are trying to obscure her motives. So
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: in the game she's like basically like do you know
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: who I am? And Joel's like, just get it over
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: with and she does, whereas in the show, she has
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: this whole speech and then Joel says, just get it
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: over with and she does. But she has this whole
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: thing about her code, which I'm very interested in because
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that doesn't track with how I know the code of
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the WLF. But we'll find out more about that, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: am sure. But she breaks it too, and she knows
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: that's I think that's one of the lines in the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: song so resonant is it's you know, I know I'm
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: on the side of the wrong. I know I'm gonna
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: be damned for what I did, but she decided it
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: was worth it. This is also an instance where she's
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: basically like, tell me the truth and we'll go from there,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and he does tell you the truth, even though he
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: didn't for Ellie or Gale the Therapist. Another really heartbreaking
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: thing about this is kind of the accidental circumstances of it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that could have gone differently,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and Joel might still be alive, but she does accidentally
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: get what she wants. She you know, Owen wants to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: convince her it isn't worth it. A lot of the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: other people in the group seem to think it's not
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: worth it. She almost turned around because of the cold.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Joel has a lot of instances where he almost went
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to Jackson but then trusted her saved her life, like
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different things, And I think that's really
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: reminiscent of all the questions that come after death, like
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: what if I had done this? Or what if? What
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: are the ways I could have changed this outcome? And
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: that's so painful. But yeah, I've read some really interesting
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: articles about how the balancing act between making Abby like
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: a villain and an anti hero, which is so interesting
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: to me because, like I said, she's a very divisive
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: character in the game. I don't think you'd ever there
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: was never any worry with that. But again, you didn't
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: know her motivations. You had no idea who she was,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and that goes back to it. Yeah, she has the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: speech we see all the graves, the dream slash flashback
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: that she has at the beginning, where she's talking to
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: her younger self and she says, I don't know you.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: That's gonna be pretty prominent I think throughout it is
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: in the game, But she's like, she doesn't recognize who
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: she's become, her younger self doesn't recognize who she's become,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: but also she doesn't It's she hasn't faced a trauma
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: of what happened, so she is unable to go into
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the door, and that is something that will come up
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: a lot, and it's actually really interesting the presentation of
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: trauma in my opinion, from here on out, if they
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: follow the game, Ellie's also going to have a recurring
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: nightmare involving a door that won't open or being too late.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: She also so the alarm. The reason I guess at
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the beginning before anything can even come on the screen
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: is that sound that alarm Abby hears in her dream.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It is just so iconic to me. Ellie's is the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: sound that like piercing sound that they did include in
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the show when Joel's but they also included it in
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the trailer the second season. For the second season, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: everybody who played the game was like, huge jerks, we
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: know exactly what this is. But one thing I also
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: wanted to bring up here. In the first game, Joel
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: kills the nurses too when he goes into the operating
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: room to save Ellie, And in this I feel like
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: they kept them alive so they were witnesses and they
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: could explain what he looked like, and they could. That's
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: how they found Joel. But that is another fallout of
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: what he did is heard Abby's dad is believed to
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: be the only person that could have made a cure,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and he killed him and also the nurses. So that's
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: pretty bad. But in the first scene where we see
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Abby in the show, where they're saying, like where Noras says, Oh,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't even matter anyway, because is there's nobody who
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: could manufacture it here anymore. That's what she's talking about.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Also that actress, I didn't realize this is gonna be
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: and the next Naughty Dog game, Naughty Dog is the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: one that does last us in galact.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I thought she's pretty significant. They've got her in for
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a good reason.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. She's also been in the live action
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Drink movie, so she's been around. I didn't know that though.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: That was a new thing. Somebody pointed out to me.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: There's also kind of this. You can see the fracturing
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: in their group that you kind of mentioned, Samantha and
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: your reactions to what Abby does. But Mels is probably
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest where she says, you know, we
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: said we wouldn't hurt anybody else. She's crying during this
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: whole thing, so that's something to keep in mind. Also
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the whole like Joel saving her life after he had his,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: like our life bodis swamped thing. I think this is
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: a no good deed goes unpunished theme which is going
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to come back later. And then when he didn't get
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: to point this out in the game because she just
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: goes right in for the kill. But he in the show,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: he says, you know, I saved your life and she says,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: what life? And I think that's a throwback to what
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Marlene says in the first season where she's like, what
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: kind of life will Ellie have in this world? That
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: does bring us to the golf club. It's a very
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: iconic It is so iconic. It's awful. I mean, it's
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it's horrific. They definitely it cuts away much faster in
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the video game than it did in the show, but
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it's very brutal in the game as well. Both of
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: them are bad. Both are bad, and this kind of
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: brings us to a point I feel like a lot
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: of people bring up and so in the first episode
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of the season, when Gail says it's not your fault.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I know that, it's how you did it. I think
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a recurring theme as well. And
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Gail's story is like Ellie's. If you believe that Joel
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: didn't have a choice, which I think he did, but
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: if you believe it, which I think Joel thinks he
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: didn't have a choice, or she's like, I know you
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: didn't have a choice. It's how you did it. He
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: killed all of those people, and Abby spared Dina and Ellie,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: even if her murder of Joel was brutal and Joel
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: killed according to this eighteen soldiers and one doctor, but
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: in the game it was it was more than that,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to say Ellie, which is a pretty that's pretty significan y.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: But yes, also, as you mentioned, we read that kind
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: of what we thought might be kind of an innocent
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: review in the last episode that I was like, I
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: think it might be a pun because it said they
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: hope they ironed out the.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yep, they got me. But there's you sweetaters, Yeah, Jock.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: The funny thing is, though a lot of people who
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: haven't played the game or like roll mad understandably, I
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: get it. And I saw a comment today one of
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: my favorite comments was all y'all making golf funds that
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: we didn't get you so superad and so like I
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: remember there was a bunch of articles that said something
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: like the last of us to tease up for another season,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: or like yeah, we were all making these puns. And
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: then there was an instance where Bell Ramsey just posted
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: under a Taylor Swift video where Taylor Swift was swinging
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: a golf club, Joel, that gave me a good chuckle.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: That gave me a good chuckle. I mean, it's horrible,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: it's so sad, but it was like a traumatizing event
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: that we now have all been like I got through that.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: At least let me make a golf joke. Even Patron
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Pascal did it. He posted something today about it. Yeah.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: But and we're going to talk about this more later.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: One of the sad things is because Abby is such
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: a divisive character. The voice actor who was in season one,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: she was one of the nurses, and Caitlin Deaver who
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: plays her in the show, have gotten death dreats. And
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I believe Katelyin Diaver has a bodyguard or had one,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: And Isabellehmer said said, like, you know, she's not Abby's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: not h Caitlyn Deaver's not abby. But people were so
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: angry about it, and you know, it's it was. It hurt,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: and it was I was mad too, but I wasn't.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna send any death to us. It was
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: a good story.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I was mad because it was a good right, this
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: is a tale.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, you don't have to play, It's okay, it's all right.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I also learned, and this is really sad, that her
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: mom had died a few weeks before filming the scene. Yeah,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: oh that's real. That's that's difficult. And this is something
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm really interested to see how it continues.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: But like the different conversations I've seen on playing Out,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: playing out from like people who played the game and
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: people who haven't, they're pretty different in some ways. It's
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: really interesting. So I'm gonna keep an eye on that.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: But I did want to touch John briefly. One of
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: the reasons this game resonated with me so much is
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: my dad had died less than a year before this
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: came out, and it wasn't on good. We didn't have
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: a good relationship when he died. There was a lot
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: of unresolved issues, and so this just is like it
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: really resonated with me. And I've said before, but I'm
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: able to experience emotion easier through fictional things, and so
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: it was a really cathartic grieving process for me. And
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I mean it might sound silly to some of you,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: but I really did go through the grieving process with this.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I went through denial and a group part. I was
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: like all of these things. I just it was so
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: powerful and it was really painful. And it also came
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: out during the pandemic. And I don't know why, but
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I'm one of those people that for me that somehow
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: playing a game about an infection during a pandemic gave
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: me some kind of release, the same way a horror
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: movie might. But so one thing I didn't want to
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: point out I mentioned in the last episode. There's a
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: scene they cut out that is huge in the in
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: where after the dance and Ellie and Joel get to
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: their fight and Ellie sees Joel on the porch with
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: her guitar and she walks away. You'll notice she has
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the guitar back the next morning when Jesse comes to
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: get her, and that's when she says, like, you know, Hey,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: we worked it out, or basically we're working on it,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: so I would just poured that out and I'll just
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: say she also really really loves music. She has all
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: of those vinyls and the tapes and her window is
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: covered in music sheets. That's going to be important later too.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Another thing we'll find out about this because as we said,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: this wasn't in the game, but Eugene's whole story now's
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: got another layer because Ellie was clearly like, oh he
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: was a firefoy, oh oh, and Jesse's like, oh, yeah,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: that's a shame couldn't be saved. Right. There's a scene
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know they'll include in the show, but they
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: basically Ellie's having this thought like if they had had
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: a cure, he could have been saved. So kind of
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that survivor skill that she struggles with. Something else to
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: bring back as we start this journey is Ellie's fear
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: of ending up alone, which she mentions in the first
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: game in the first season, and also just her kind
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: of loss of Ellis innocence and the revenge that is coming.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of like cycle of violence and trauma.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: So just like Joel's action had consequences, so do Abby's
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: and so will Ellie's. And there are as I said,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of flashbacks, the ringing sounds and
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the trailer that I mentioned. Ellie can, She'll have like
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: these PTSD the flashbacks in the game if there's a
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: loud sound or something like that. And they're also just
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: non PTSD ones, but they're sad still, but that's something
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: to look forward to. Yeah. Also, just quick shout out
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to the women leaders on this show for Better Hours.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of women leaders.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe of them confront some things.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: They really really can, they really can. This brings us
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: to my random wrap up at the end. I did
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: want to call out this scene between Ellie and Jesse
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: at the beginning. I love that scene where they're kind
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: of teasing each other. I'm so glad they put that
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: in the show. I love that scene. Also, I forgot
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: to mention the composer Gustavo Sento Laya. He was in
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the last episode and he's also sort of a character
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: in the game. He has a banjo and in the
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: remastered version you can play him in guitar free play mode, which,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: by the way, you can play the guitar in last
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: of us too. I'm actually like, that's the worst thing
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I met. I'm really mad at it, but you can
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: do that. He was playing at the dance Seattle. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: realized we kind of might have spoiled it for some
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: people because we've talked all about how the second season
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: mostly takes place in Seattle, and then that's where Abby's frohim.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: But anyway, there's a lot of hints of Seattle. I'm
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: told that the beer I think it was red Rock
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: that was on being advertised on the walls from Seattle.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of music from the Seattle grunge period,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of kind of themes of like
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: that period of like the lack of respect of authority
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: and things like that. Also, this is gonna be a
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: bigger conversation later, but I think that some people get
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: really some people get really frustrated. I'm not saying it
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: wrong too with Ellie, but I would just say, like
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I would remember, she's nineteen. There's a lot of lying
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and taking choices away from her that's happening, and underestimating
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: her when she could defend herself. It does really suck,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's awful because you want these characters
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: to get along. It feels really painful, but I mean,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I would just urge people to give it,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: give her some give her some room. And also like
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: she knows he's lying, because it doesn't it just doesn't
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: really hold up what he's saying. And because he's telling
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: her like you can't tell anybody about the immunity, even
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: though he said there were a bunch of immune people,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: like hmmm, so she she knows. And it's just a
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: frustrating feeling, I think. But that being said, that does
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: bring us to the end of this episode and to
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: some no for the future. I know you're hurt. You
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: might be.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Angry, Christina, I you okay.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I would urge patients. It's a really good story. You
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  Speaker 2: are meant to go through it. It's not it's gonna hurt.
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  Speaker 2: But that is one of the reasons why Samantha and
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  Speaker 2: I've discussed it's kind of concern the weight between seasons,
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  Speaker 2: because you are meant to You're really meant to go
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  Speaker 2: through it all at once. But I'm excited. I'm very excited.
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  Speaker 2: It's also like a very you never know when your
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  Speaker 2: time is up. You never know when it's the last
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  Speaker 2: time you'll see someone, and that's gonna be a pretty
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  Speaker 2: big theme. And also parallels. There's gonna be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of parallels. Yeah, same side, same coin, doesn't mean and
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  Speaker 2: my friend like to say I even got her coin
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  Speaker 2: that says that. Yes, when I'll explain that when we
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