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Conservatism, Faith, and the Future of MAGA with Vince Coglianese (Ep.168) · V

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  Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Bongino Report, early edition with Evita.
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  Speaker 1: Today I have a special guest, Vince Cognese, who is
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  Speaker 1: Dan Bongino's official new fill-in. He's on the podcast, the radio.
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  Speaker 1: It's not called The Dan Bongino Show, though. It's called
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  Speaker 1: Just Vince. And Vince, thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 2: What a blast. Thank you, Evita.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask you, Vince, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing in this new role? Are you
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  Speaker 1: settling in? You have some big Big shoes to fill
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  Speaker 1: with Dan Bongino, now deputy FBI director. How is it
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  Speaker 1: being on air for how many hours, like four hours
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  Speaker 1: a day you're on air? How are you settling in?
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for asking it.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I just want to always say as
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  Speaker 3: I talk about this issue that I am like so
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  Speaker 3: over the moon that I get to do it because. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I probably said this to you when we when we met,
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  Speaker 3: but one thing I keep thinking is that to get
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  Speaker 3: the call from Dan Bongino that. he wants me to
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  Speaker 3: like step up and take over his podcast and then
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  Speaker 3: taking over his radio show.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot like Willy.
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  Speaker 3: Wonka, like contacting Charlie and saying, Hey Charlie, do you
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  Speaker 3: want to take over the chocolate factory? And the answer
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  Speaker 3: to that is quite obviously, yes. I want to take
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  Speaker 3: over the chocolate factory, whatever I need to do, Mr. Wonka,
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  Speaker 3: I'm fine. I'll, I'll give you back the everlasting gobstopper.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to steal it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I've felt.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing about this and it's been interesting. I've come from
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  Speaker 3: a radio background and, I've been I've been at The
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  Speaker 3: Daily Caller for 15 years as an editor there. But
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  Speaker 3: in the last eight years, I've been in a major
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  Speaker 3: market radio station in Washington, D.C. I'm accustomed to hosting
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  Speaker 3: very early odd hours. I hosted a four hour morning
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  Speaker 3: show in D.C. It was from five to nine a.m.
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  Speaker 3: every morning for four years in the whole Trump administration.
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  Speaker 3: And then I moved to afternoons and it was three hours,
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  Speaker 3: you know, three to six p.m.
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  Speaker 2: Each afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: And now picking up the national radio show, just in
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  Speaker 3: terms of the craft of doing radio, it's what I'm
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  Speaker 3: used to in a lot of ways. I kind of
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  Speaker 3: feel like I could do it in my sleep. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: it's just, I'm always gathering stories. I always like talking
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  Speaker 3: about what's happening in the news. I love interviewing people.
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  Speaker 3: I love taking phone calls. I love what radio sounds like,
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  Speaker 3: how to present a story on radio.
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  Speaker 2: I love all that. So radio, I'm very accustomed to. Podcasting,
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  Speaker 2: bit of a different creature for me.
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  Speaker 3: I've done a lot of video work with the Daily
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  Speaker 3: Caller through the years, but consistently delivering a one-hour podcast
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  Speaker 3: every single day, that's been the intimidating factor for me. Oh, man,
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  Speaker 3: I've got a big job ahead of me. And thankfully,
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  Speaker 3: it's been great. I mean, I just want to say, like,
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  Speaker 3: thank you to the whole team that's a part of
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  Speaker 3: Silverlock for making this about the most seamless possible transition
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  Speaker 3: it could be for me because it's made this job
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  Speaker 3: and this new adjustment so much easier.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're really glad to have you, Vince. And, well,
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  Speaker 1: I have to say that I have no experience in broadcasting, really.
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  Speaker 1: I've done, before Dan hired me, some little Fox hits
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  Speaker 1: that were three minutes long. It's a completely different format, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: You're not on camera very long. You have to get
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  Speaker 1: your points out super fast. Suddenly I have a podcast
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  Speaker 1: and I'm able to kind of go on forever. But
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  Speaker 1: there's really an art to being on the radio and
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  Speaker 1: sort of timing yourself in the way that you do there.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be really self-disciplined and be watching the clock,
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  Speaker 1: but also thinking and being articulate and And you're somebody
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  Speaker 1: that obviously has a background in that. You're really good
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  Speaker 1: at it. It's something that I've been watching as you've
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  Speaker 1: joined the team and I'm really impressed by. So definitely
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  Speaker 1: a role model for all of us younger podcasters here
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  Speaker 1: at Silverlock, Vince. And I'm really happy to have you aboard. Really,
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  Speaker 1: I think that you are, I was telling Dan and
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  Speaker 1: Paula before they brought you on, like everybody that I've
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  Speaker 1: heard who knows of you and is friends with you
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  Speaker 1: have said really great things about you. So it's just
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  Speaker 1: going to be, Wonderful. And you've had some amazing guests, right?
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  Speaker 1: You had J.D. Vance and you've talked to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just Tucker Carlson on day one. So even cooler guests
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  Speaker 1: potentially in the future. I'm just it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: really amazing. What is kind of the vision for this podcast?
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  Speaker 1: Just so my viewers, maybe who haven't tuned into your
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  Speaker 1: show yet, haven't gotten a chance to know what it's
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  Speaker 1: all about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm feeling it out.
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  Speaker 3: And let me just I want to raise an issue
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  Speaker 3: about the format of the show, because obviously it's Dan.
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  Speaker 2: Dan very consistently.
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  Speaker 3: Would deliver a news of the day podcast where he
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  Speaker 3: would break down things, he would analyze them and then
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  Speaker 3: help people think about all of these issues and give
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  Speaker 3: them the weapons to to go out there and confront
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  Speaker 3: all of these stories in the real world. And I
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  Speaker 3: definitely want to do that as much as possible.
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  Speaker 2: But the.
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  Speaker 3: The idea to bring interviews into this platform, into this
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  Speaker 3: same space that Dan built this audience for.
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  Speaker 2: Was very intentional. And I want people to really understand this.
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  Speaker 3: This is explicitly what Dan and Paula envisioned for this show, Vince.
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  Speaker 3: They really do want me to wear out my contacts,
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  Speaker 3: to bring in these guests, to interview them So if
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  Speaker 3: there's any part of you, and by the way, I
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  Speaker 3: totally respect it, who's thinking, is this what Dan would
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  Speaker 3: have wanted? This is explicitly what Dan wanted, actually.
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  Speaker 2: He really did. And Dan's, of course, not involved at
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  Speaker 2: all in any of this because he's got a very
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  Speaker 2: busy job as the deputy director of the FBI, a
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  Speaker 2: very important job. But it's Paula.
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  Speaker 3: Paula really is the driving force here. She's a wonderful
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  Speaker 3: woman with an amazing operation. And she asked me as
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  Speaker 3: I came in, hey, would you do this?
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  Speaker 2: Would you do this?
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  Speaker 3: So so interviews are essential to that. So figuring out
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  Speaker 3: the battle rhythm for how we present the news of
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  Speaker 3: the day, how we give you those weapons to confront
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  Speaker 3: what's going on in the world, where we bring in
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  Speaker 3: guests for how long they're on the show, whether we
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  Speaker 3: do a full hour with them or say 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Those are all the things that we're working out, especially
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  Speaker 3: as these first few weeks go. We pay very close
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  Speaker 3: attention to the audience response here. We really want people
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  Speaker 3: to enjoy this because fundamentally, if there's any lesson I've
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  Speaker 3: learned in digital media over the last 15 years, that
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  Speaker 3: you could have the best story in the world. You
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  Speaker 3: could have the best podcast in the world. But if
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  Speaker 3: nobody is reading it or watching it, what's the point?
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  Speaker 3: It's not being heard or consumed. So you've wasted a
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  Speaker 3: tremendous amount of time on something that doesn't have an audience.
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  Speaker 3: I have no intention of doing that. I want to
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  Speaker 3: create something that people really like. And so the thought
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  Speaker 3: process here is we're feeling this out with the audience.
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  Speaker 3: And I love the chat. I love being able to
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  Speaker 3: see all of this live, people responding to all of it.
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  Speaker 3: I love all of the incoming comments.
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  Speaker 2: That I receive.
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  Speaker 3: It's very gratifying to see that people even care about
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  Speaker 3: a product that I'm involved with, that we're creating. and
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  Speaker 3: care enough to either support it or criticize it or
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  Speaker 3: give you constructive criticism.
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  Speaker 2: I'm for all of it. I love it all. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's been a blast. I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I do too, Vince. It's kind of awesome to... It's
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  Speaker 1: a blessing and a curse. And I'll say it's probably
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  Speaker 1: more of a blessing that as I'm looking at my chat,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm talking in my podcast, I'll see a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of messages about the same topic and they're upset about
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  Speaker 1: something or they misinterpreted something I said and I can
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  Speaker 1: in real time live correct the record and explain myself
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  Speaker 1: more or clarify something or double down on a point
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  Speaker 1: that everybody disagrees with. And it actually is a really
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  Speaker 1: amazing tool to have. And the media landscape has changed
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  Speaker 1: a ton. I mean, clearly. And you're not that old, Vince.
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  Speaker 1: You're not a grandpa or anything like that. You're a
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  Speaker 1: young guy, but you're a little older than I am.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to imagine that media and politics in
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  Speaker 1: general has changed a lot from when you were coming
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  Speaker 1: of political age. Maybe you're in your early 20s. Could
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  Speaker 1: you maybe tell us just a little bit about how
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  Speaker 1: it's changed? What's the biggest differences from when you were
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  Speaker 1: a young man, you're just getting into journalism, just getting
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  Speaker 1: into media, versus what it's like today?
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  Speaker 3: So my first experiences in media were as really as.
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  Speaker 2: A high school senior. I started working for a local
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  Speaker 2: radio station in North Carolina. I say working.
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  Speaker 3: I was I was going in once a week to
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  Speaker 3: do like a high school chat show that they had
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  Speaker 3: at this great station in North Carolina called WTKFWJNC. And
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  Speaker 3: it served a mostly military community, a lot of civilians,
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  Speaker 3: but it's coastal North Carolina. They've got Camp Lejeune Marine
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  Speaker 3: Corps base there, Marine Corps Air Station, Cherry Point, all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of Marine Corps, New River, lots of military, Marine
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  Speaker 3: bases there especially. And so I would go in once
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  Speaker 3: a week and I would have these conversations about politics.
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  Speaker 2: And It wasn't until I was in college. We had
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  Speaker 2: cell phones, but we didn't have smartphones. They didn't exist
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  Speaker 2: at the time.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't until I was in college that the very
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  Speaker 3: first smartphones were coming out. They were sort of like
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  Speaker 3: BlackBerrys with touchscreens, but they weren't yet the iPhone at all.
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  Speaker 1: Are you Gen X or are you a millennial?
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  Speaker 2: I'm a millennial.
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  Speaker 3: I'm considered... I'm 39 years old. Here's a spoiler for you.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: I forget what they call it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like elderly millennial or something. But whatever it is,
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  Speaker 3: I'm technically a millennial, which I'm fine with. I don't
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  Speaker 3: really care about it. I think Gen X is cool
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  Speaker 3: because everyone who is Gen X loves telling you how
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  Speaker 3: Gen X they are.
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  Speaker 1: They do. That's so true.
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  Speaker 3: Which sounds kind of like an insecurity, actually. But we
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  Speaker 3: don't have to explore that right now.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 3: We finally get the smartphone after I had done so
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  Speaker 3: many of the coming of age things. Like I didn't
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  Speaker 3: have a smartphone with a camera in my life all
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  Speaker 3: the way through college.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't until after I graduated that I really had
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  Speaker 3: an iPhone or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the media environment I grew up in. I
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  Speaker 2: grew up loving talk.
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  Speaker 3: Radio as a result of that. I loved Rush Limbaugh.
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  Speaker 3: I loved listening to people like Glenn Beck. I saw
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  Speaker 3: how Glenn Beck started in conservative talk radio in Tampa,
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  Speaker 3: Florida before college.
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  Speaker 2: September 11th, 2001.
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  Speaker 3: After September 11th, he blew up into this huge national
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  Speaker 3: star because he was so able to sort of tap
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  Speaker 3: into the emotion and the love of country and the
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  Speaker 3: aftermath of 9-11. He was just an amazing person. really
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  Speaker 3: talented presenter. And so I I've always been fascinated by
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  Speaker 3: that craft. And eventually I find myself in Washington, D.C.,
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  Speaker 3: working for The Daily Caller.
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  Speaker 2: It's a news website. It's kind of a swashbuckling, out
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  Speaker 2: of control news website that's written for conservatives. which is fun.
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  Speaker 2: And as a result, I've been there ever since. So
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  Speaker 2: I know most of the conservative media, most of whom
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  Speaker 2: who have come through our doors at The Daily Caller.
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  Speaker 2: That's how I know everybody, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess one of the things that's really changed
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  Speaker 3: is at that time, podcasting was kind of a failed experiment. Podcasting,
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  Speaker 3: as people understood it, the reason it's called podcasting was
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  Speaker 3: originally from the iPod.
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  Speaker 2: It's that the audio itself was consumed on an iPod.
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  Speaker 3: And people were creating these like sort of chintzy free shows.
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  Speaker 2: It was almost like you'd almost.
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  Speaker 3: Compare it to like public access television, like a low
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  Speaker 3: quality version of something that you could get a much
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  Speaker 3: higher quality thing from like a corporation from. So there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of pickup for it at the time.
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  Speaker 3: There were some successful podcasts for sure. But for the
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  Speaker 3: most part, it was just like a dime a dozen.
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  Speaker 3: People were trying it and it kind of seemed like
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  Speaker 3: a failed experiment, like it wasn't going to go anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: But little did I know that it was a sleeper,
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  Speaker 3: that it really hadn't arrived in its big form like
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  Speaker 3: it is today. And so that was a big change
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  Speaker 3: in media for me, watching all that happen.
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  Speaker 2: The other is just social media itself. That's been the
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  Speaker 2: biggest thing.
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  Speaker 3: The emergence of Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and TikTok
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  Speaker 3: and the way that content is delivered. The fact that
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  Speaker 3: most people consume all of their information online. through the
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  Speaker 3: first place they land on, which is usually social media.
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  Speaker 3: They're not usually going deeper to the websites or deeper.
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  Speaker 2: To something else.
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  Speaker 3: It revolutionized the way we consume and distribute information. So
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  Speaker 3: I've seen it change a lot. That's a long answer
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  Speaker 3: to your very short question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, just as I look at old
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  Speaker 1: videos of myself as a little girl, I can observe
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  Speaker 1: how much it's changed. You know, I was born in
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  Speaker 1: 1999 and my dad was pretty He was pretty tech savvy,
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  Speaker 1: and he had a little handheld recorder that he would
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  Speaker 1: record us all the time. He had one of these big,
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  Speaker 1: chunky Apple laptops from the early 2000s, and that was
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  Speaker 1: really high tech, and it was so slow, impossibly slow.
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  Speaker 1: You can just see the way that media has changed.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just that media has changed, Vince. I think...
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  Speaker 1: we've politically changed a lot too. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: about as a little girl, my parents were really excited
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  Speaker 1: about George Bush. My grandparent, my grandmother famously named her
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  Speaker 1: cat George because she loved George Bush so much. And
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  Speaker 1: suddenly we are in an era where my generation views
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  Speaker 1: 9-11 as not so much a terror attack. Of course
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  Speaker 1: it was, but it wasn't something we experienced. And more,
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  Speaker 1: a greater impact on us is the effects of 9-11, right?
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  Speaker 1: The way that 9-11 has created an entire overbearing security
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  Speaker 1: apparatus that infringes on the rights of people my age
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  Speaker 1: on a day-to-day basis, in some ways seen, if you're
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  Speaker 1: going through the airport, in other ways unseen, right? As
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  Speaker 1: we learned that the NSA is collecting all of this
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  Speaker 1: data on us, and it's completely unconstitutional, and there's no
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  Speaker 1: stop to it. And then you see the rise of
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  Speaker 1: populism in the West at large, and specifically here, in America,
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  Speaker 1: it just seems like what is the political right or
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  Speaker 1: what is a Republican? All of these terms mean completely
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  Speaker 1: different things than they did from when I was a
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  Speaker 1: little girl. And something I want to ask you about specifically, Vince,
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  Speaker 1: is what is America's role in the world? And I
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  Speaker 1: know that's a huge question to ask and everybody's wrestling
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  Speaker 1: with it right now, but it's a question of what
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  Speaker 1: does America first mean? It seems like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people in our movement of the new right will say
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  Speaker 1: we want to put America first, and it's very straightforward.
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  Speaker 1: But some people will say America first means really dialing
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  Speaker 1: in and focusing on domestic issues, and other people will
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  Speaker 1: say that America first means that we have to help
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  Speaker 1: our allies, and we have to help America by helping
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  Speaker 1: our friends and having a strong place in the world.
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  Speaker 1: What do you see America first meaning? Again, I know
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  Speaker 1: that's a big question, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Want to ask you.
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  Speaker 3: You were right to say, I think when you asked originally,
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  Speaker 3: what is America's role in the world? I think the
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  Speaker 3: answer to that question is to be an example of
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  Speaker 3: love for your own people.
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  Speaker 2: I think is the answer to that question.
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  Speaker 3: So I think if you listen to President Trump's speeches
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  Speaker 3: on this subject, whether he's going to NATO summits or
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  Speaker 3: the United Nations, one of the common themes when he
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  Speaker 3: speaks to international bodies is you need to be as
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  Speaker 3: obsessed with.
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  Speaker 2: The well-being of your own people as I am with
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  Speaker 2: the American people.
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  Speaker 3: He always preaches nationalism, that at its core, you have
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  Speaker 3: to stop selling out the people who live in your country.
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  Speaker 3: You have to stop kicking open the borders. You have
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  Speaker 3: to stop letting them die in squalor. You have to
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  Speaker 3: be focused on what is actually good for them. And
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  Speaker 3: that impulse of being obsessed with the well-being of your
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  Speaker 3: own people is a good and natural impulse that you
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  Speaker 3: should cultivate. That's the message, I think, that President Trump
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  Speaker 3: always brings. Every time I see him address an international body,
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  Speaker 3: he makes that point.
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  Speaker 2: J.D.
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  Speaker 3: Vance has been making the same point when he talks
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  Speaker 3: to these international bodies. And at its core is a
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  Speaker 3: way for them to project outward. This is what my
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  Speaker 3: view of the United States is. I want you as
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  Speaker 3: the head of Ireland to know what I'm thinking, which
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  Speaker 3: is I'm obsessed with the well-being of American citizens.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think our borders should be wide open.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that we should think first and foremost
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  Speaker 3: about the people who are suffering within these borders. I
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  Speaker 3: want to bring the death and destruction to an end.
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  Speaker 3: I want to stop the fentanyl. I want to get
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  Speaker 3: us out of as many wars as humanly possible. The
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  Speaker 3: only wars that we should be engaged in are the
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: ones that directly affect Americans. Those are, I think, very
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: basic principles. We've become so, we've, like, I think this
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: has happened to all of Western civilization, really, but it's
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: become so overextended with sort of these, like, ridiculous missions
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: that are outside the bounds of anything that has to
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: do with the well-being of our own people's that rather
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: than bring about some sort of global order and peace,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: we've cultivated a tremendous amount of internal disorder. We had
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Tucker on, of course, on Monday of last week. Tucker
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: is one of the people who put in my head
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: that it is a useful analogy to think about your
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: country the way you might think about your family inside
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: of your home. So if there is chaos going on
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: inside of your house, and your first priority is the
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: well-being of some family that lives seven neighborhoods over, your
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: priorities are jacked up. You're not actually taking care of,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: in terms of, J.D. Vance said something about this recently
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: about sort of a basic Christian theological principle about your
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: area of concern needs to start with the people who
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: are closest to you to take care of their well-being
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: and then begin emanating out from there.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: We are, last thing I'll say on this, there.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Was a chart that was released recently It was kind
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: of a study of the way conservatives and liberals think.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: The heat map. The heat map.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Early edition viewers know about the heat map. But go
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: ahead and explain it again so that you can remind them.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: It's basically, what's your area of sympathy? Where does your
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: ultimate concern lie? And for conservatives, the concern was placed
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: on the people who are closest to them. The most
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: concern was placed on your child, on your parent, on
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: your sibling, on... on your close relatives and then the
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: people you know, and then maybe your workplace and your
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: church and the stuff that you're most closely and intimately
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: associated with. Democrats, the heat map was basically like organisms
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: found on Mars. Like it was the furthest possible thing
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: from being associated with you directly.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: And it was, it really, I think that heat map
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: kind of reveals everything, doesn't it?
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: About the difference between our politics, the way the left
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: and the right think.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And- It 100% does. And I want to say, Vince,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that we're dealing with, because I love the way that
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you articulated what example are we going to be for
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world? You said we're going to
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: be an example of prioritizing the citizens that are here,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of really strong leadership that actually cares for the people
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: that it's their job to care for, not necessarily everyone
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: across the world equally. If you're the president of the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: United States, you are in charge of the American people.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Those are the affairs that matter to you. And by
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: in charge, I mean those are the issues that you
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: care about, not necessarily that you rule over them in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: some sort of tyrannical, domineering sense. But I tweeted yesterday
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: or over the weekend something that got some people a
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: little bit upset. And I love your take on this too, Vince.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I said, America isn't an idea. That was all the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: tweet said. And it got a lot of, I think,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: mixed reaction. Some people were like, yes, we're on an idea.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And some people said, no, we are an idea. And
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the reason I say we're not an idea is because
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I truly view America as a place. This is a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: physical place. It's not an idea. It's not fictional. It's
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: not in our imagination. America is a real place, a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: physical landmass made up of people who have a shared
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: culture and an identity that is unique across the entire world.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And I feel like this is another tension, another question
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: that's really important when we're trying to put America first,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: or when we're asking whether we can replicate America in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: other countries, and should we be replicating it? When John
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Winthrop says that we're a shining city upon a hill,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: does that mean that we are a shining city that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: has to impose our style of government on everybody everywhere,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: including in apparently Iraq and Afghanistan? We're going to nation
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: build and in places that have completely different cultures than
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: our own? Or is it, as you said, Vince, that
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: we are going to focus on ourselves and making ourselves
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the best that we can be, a shining city? And
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: if others want to organically replicate it, they are free
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and welcome to do so. But what are your thoughts
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: on America being an idea versus being a place?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: VINCENT TANANASI- Well, it's definitely a place, and people definitely
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: live here.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: So I'll start with the basics on the answer to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: that question.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: As far as like, oh, just basically when people say
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: it's an idea, oftentimes the people who are advancing this
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: argument that it's just an idea, it's a melting pot.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: What they're suggesting through that presentation is that there should
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: be no limiting principles whatsoever.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: That like anyone can come here. It's a free for all.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: It's basically a rest stop for the planet.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like there is nothing that makes America
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a specific people. And that's essentially the suggestion. I would
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: say that no culture, it doesn't matter who you are,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: can withstand dramatic amounts of change rapidly. In fact, as
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: a scientific principle, dramatic change that is rapidly introduced tends
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: to lead to catastrophic consequences. You know, I think constantly
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: of the Old Testament story of the Tower of Babel
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: and this idea that all of a sudden everybody's all
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: speaking different languages and then nobody can collaborate on anything
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: and their whole entire project collapses all at once. There
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: are some messages here in the Old Testament that are
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: probably worth dwelling on. Meanwhile, for years, I think that
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: a basic conception of conservatism, the way people talk about it,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: it suggests that we want to be frozen in carbonite
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: at any point in history.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: We just got to be frozen right here, right now. Actually,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: if we're being honest about.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: What conservatism is supposed to do, it's supposed to be
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: pushing the brake on on the speed that change occurs at.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Because what you're trying to do is you're trying to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: govern society in such a way that we can accommodate
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: changes as they come, but at a level that keeps
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: society intact. So do we welcome legal immigrants to the country? Well, yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: but it's reasonable to say, should we bring in a
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: million every year? That's currently how many we bring in.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Every year we bring in a million legal immigrants. That's
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: not even illegal immigrants that we're talking about. That's a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: reasonable debate to have. What does that do to a culture?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: How quickly does it change things? And importantly, are people
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: assimilating into the United States? What does it mean to assimilate? Well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: it means to adhere broadly to the culture that we
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: all have basic agreements around. What language do we communicate in?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: What side of the street do we drive on? What
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: tolerance for nonsense do we have as a country? What's
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the You know, what are our expectations when it comes
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to fair play? Can a business exist here without corruption
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: being the overarching means by which somebody enters into the market?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Because we have like simple comparisons.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: You could look at like cities that are border cities
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: in Mexico with the United States, literally the same families
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that live on both sides of the border. They're both
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: they're connected by blood yet in the American city. You
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: don't have squalor. You don't have corruption. You don't have
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: government officials taking payoffs for you to start a business.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: On the Mexican side, you have dramatically lower incomes. You
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: have flourishing poverty. It's weird to say flourishing, but immense poverty.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: You have homelessness. You have crime. You have the very
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: corruption I'm talking about.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: And the reason for that is the difference in what
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: our respective countries will tolerate. And the fact that fair
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: play matters so much to exist in a peaceful society. So, yeah,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just think it's it's a kind of
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: lazy surrender to say that America is merely an idea.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: America is a people that live here on a very
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: clearly defined piece of land that President Trump would like
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: to expand, by the way. And and we should look
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: out for those people that live here. That's what that's
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: it's just literally that's what love is. Love is taking
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: care of the people in your life.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Vince, it's very common sense. And I wish that
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I could have you on my side, on X, just
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: articulating for me how I should respond to all these
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: people who are upset at me saying America's not an idea.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And it's a really existential question that I think we're
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: going to have to increasingly confront as a right-wing movement,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but really as a country. And this is a story
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that you were talking, and it's relevant, I promise. It's relevant.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But I need to get your take on this too, Vince,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: because 23andMe, I don't know if you know, it's this
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: company where you spit into a little tube and they'll
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: tell you exactly what your genetic makeup is. Oh, you're
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: 3% Irish and 40%, I don't know, African or whatever.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: So 23andMe- Or if you're Elizabeth Warren, you're 1,124th Native American.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Exactly. You're a Cherokee Indian, right?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Pocahontas is a silly one. But 23andMe has filed for bankruptcy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: They filed for bankruptcy this week. The CEO resigned. California's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Attorney General Rob Bonta has issued an alert basically to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: anyone in his state saying, you probably want to delete
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: your information right now because this company is going to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: be bought and your data is going to be bought.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Your genetic data is going to be bought and we
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: don't know who's going to buy it. And that is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: very risky. You given your genetic information to 23andMe. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: now that information is owned by somebody else because they are,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: like I said, filing for bankruptcy. They're probably going to
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: try and facilitate a sale. So first of all, scary stuff.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And this is why I would never give my info
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to 23andMe. My husband, unfortunately, did. And the problem is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: if you have somebody in your family who gave away
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the information, well, then anybody who's blood related to you
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: can be you know, potentially linked to you genetically by
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: whatever actors have this information. So there's just, there's a
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: real risk in it. And even if you try to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: stay away from it, you can't control it. But there's
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a next essential question here that I want to ask you, Vince.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: That's just, it's deeper than just this really scary situation
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: where you have, you know, millions of thousands, if not
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: millions of people's information potentially being sold to a company
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that we don't know anything about.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Or a country.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Right. What? Foreign country, yes. What is, I think, the obsession?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Why do you think Americans have such an obsession with
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: things like 23andMe or Ancestry.com? I mean, it's obvious that we,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you know, many of us come from different parts of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the world and we are mixed together. If you look
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: at me specifically, right, I'm somebody who has indigenous American DNA,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: but then Spanish and Irish and German, like literally anything.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, European, like... like settlers from the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: early 1600s who came over and settled in the colonies.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So just everywhere at all different times, all mixed together,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and then there's Abita, right? And there's a lot of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: us who feel that way.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: But there's something- But you determined all of that without
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: doing a 23andMe?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did. I love real ancestry work, like going
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: through the documents and like the family history stuff. I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: didn't take any DNA tests, but I love actual family history.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you, Vince, because I do
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: feel like we all have this obsession with our past.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if it has to do, perhaps, with
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: this idea that it's shameful to be American. Is that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: part of what the 23andMe obsession is all about?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: It could be.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I think I'm certain that has to play a role
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: in the decision by some people to get their DNA
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: checked or whatever they're looking for. some way to say that, well,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not really from here, but I don't know what,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I can't even describe most of the incoherent positions that
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: the left takes. I will say that I get people
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: being fascinated by their own ancestry if they don't have
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the answers.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I totally understand that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: If you want to know what region of Italy your
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: family is from in particular, so you know where to
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: potentially go visit and check out and see where do
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: people from my family live? What town did they grow
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: up in? These are deeply reasonable questions. I think A
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: couple of things about it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: One, there's a reason you were able to.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Establish this without taking the DNA test, which is that
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you are still adhering to an older way of actually
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: getting answers. And typically, that often would involve big families
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: handing down information to their many descendants. But these days,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: you've perhaps noticed there are fewer and fewer descendants. and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: people are more and more isolated. So you don't have
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: that familial connection where this kind of information is passed
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: along quite as robustly.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: So people are a little bit on their own. They're
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: kind of just trying to figure it out without the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: benefit of that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Let me just say that in my dad's family, he's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: one of 11, and there was a little family historian
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: on that. But if you don't have 11 kids, if
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you have maybe one or two, somebody might not want
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to take up that mantle.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I'm for big families. I'm my, my dad's also one
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: of not 11. My dad's one of nine. My mom's
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: one of seven. And, uh, they're like, like, it's so funny.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I asked my grandmother, my dad's mother one time, uh,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: who just passed away in the last.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Year or so.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: And, uh, I asked her, you know, because I was
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: always interested in politics. I said, um, Hey grandma, you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: if people talk about social security, eventually running out, are
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: you worried at all that that would ever happen?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I remember asking her for some reason. about that. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: she said to me, why would I be worried? I
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: have nine children.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: My mom calls that, she calls it Mexican social security.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It's so true.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: And it's like, Just the world of like, wait a second. No,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: families take care of each other. And big families means
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: a lot more people to take.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Care of each other.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: So there's something so great about that answer. And I've
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: never stopped thinking about it ever since. Like, why would
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I be worried?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I have nine children. And I was like, she's totally right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: But to go back to your question about 23andMe and
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: these like DNA tests, there's also sort of like the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: world that we now live in is one of.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Cheap convenience. Everything is free.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: We think like our, our world is like, like you
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: could get the most magical thing available to you for free.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: You could find out instantly your entire ancestry for free.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: But what we didn't realize perhaps until, until it was
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: too late or certainly lately is that there is actually
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: a cost to free. There's a cost to telling Google
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: every single detail about your life through your searches. There's
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: a cost to sending your DNA in, to 23 in May.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: There's a cost to having a location tracker on every
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: device you carry with you. There are costs that you're
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: incurring here. And while you're sort of generically happy about
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: the benefits that you derive, you are giving up a
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: tremendous amount of data about yourself that can very quickly
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: be exploited by a bad actor. And a lot of
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: these companies are just not that responsible with your data?
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: How many times have one of your passwords popped up
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: in some sort of leak from some major company?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And then you're warned like, hey, your password's been, that's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: happened to me for sure.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: And I'll say lastly, just as a conservative principle, one
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: of the things I've come to as I've gotten older
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: is that not only should I be suspicious of the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: concentration of power in the government, I should be suspicious
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: of all.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Large concentrations of power. Because when I see a big
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: concentration of power, I should scrutinize family.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I want to ask you, Vince, about something
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: else that has to do with just the dystopian future
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that we're living in. I mean, you're right. Any Google
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: search that you type into your computer, the DNA that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you give over to 23andMe or Ancestry, anything you type
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: into chat GPT, I mean, these are all things that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: can be exposed. There's something even more ominous and dystopian
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: when we start looking at transhumanism. And you're already kind
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of a cyborg as it is, right? We have our
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: phones and it's attached to us at the hip and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: we can search anything anywhere. And we're almost dependent on
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it now. I mean, if I'm being honest, if you
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: ask me, go to the gym in Stewart, Florida, could
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I do it without my phone, my Google Maps? I
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if I could, because I always have it
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: in my phone. I always have it plugged into my
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: car and the map right up there. Elon Musk is
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: somebody who's done really great things for the political right
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: at this moment. He's spearheading Doge. He's spearheading government efficiency.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: It's a great thing. There are some things about Elon
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Musk that make me take pause. And I want to
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: play for you this song that just came out. It's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: by a woman named Alessandra Basher. She's a wife, mother, comedian, actress, author.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: She came out with this song about Elon Musk. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: want to get your reaction to this, Vince. It's kind
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: of a comedy song, just so everybody knows. We're not
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: taking it that seriously. It's a little bit in jest,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: but it's still, I think, an interesting thing to discuss.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Take a listen.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Fighting fights for freedom's sake Politics, he's not afraid He
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: won't just sit and watch SpaceX flies, Tesla self-driving Okay,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: so Vince, she's got a great voice.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to say that. Alessandro, I don't know you,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: but your voice is beautiful. I don't know about that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: whole ending there, master plan for our lives. And I'm
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: not going to be a leftist and flip out Elon
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Musk stealing our social security. But Vince, I got to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: get your reaction. What do you think of this perception
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of Elon Musk that some people seem to have?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So this goes back to what I said a moment ago,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: which is I like scrutinizing large concentrations of power.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's good.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: And I do think Elon Musk deserves that big time.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I am it's one of those things where, like, I'm
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: for the same reasons you just laid out.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I'm very grateful to Elon Musk.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I think that an essential component to stopping the left
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: from rigging the last election was preventing the left from
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: rigging your mind and allowing free speech on X was
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: essential to that mission.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So God bless him for that. That's a huge, huge deal.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: But these billionaires, they're.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Eccentric, and they can sometimes engage in things that give
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: you immense pause, like when you hear that Bill Gates
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: wants to block out the sun in order to change
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: the temperature.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Of the earth.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: You say, who are you? Like, OK, go buy your
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: fancy yacht, but block out the sun?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: No, thank you. I didn't sign up for that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And in fact, under normal circumstances, if people were blocking
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: out the sun, I'm pretty sure we would deploy the
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: American military.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Against them to stop that from happening. That's crazy to me.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: On Elon specifically, the lyric I saw that she started
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: with was what I expected you to bring up, Neuralink.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: So Elon has this device that is essentially a computer
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: that they figured out how to implant, I presume, at
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the base of your head to connect to your brain.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And the best case presentation of why this is an
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: important piece of technology, this computer-to-brain cyborg thing, is that
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: people who have immense neurological disorders can be rescued from
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: them in terms of their quality of life if you've
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: got some sort of computer that interfaces the, like, however
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the body chemistry works, the electrical signals and all of
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: this into your brain. Like, people's lives could be truly
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: changed for the better with a device like this. Also,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I could envision, like, for instance, my mother is legally blind.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: She can almost see out. Environment or world in which
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: piece of technology like this can restore her ability to
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: navigate the world that she walks through, that would be
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: amazing to me. But then there's the other side of this,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: which is how much peril comes with this. Doesn't this
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: feel a little bit biblical too? Like there's something that's
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: being robbed from your humanity with a.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Device like this.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: How many people would take a device like this merely
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: to augment their already normal functioning life and instead to
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: inject AI, the internet, whatever into them I do think
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: that we're entering into some uncharted territory with a technology
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: like this. We have yet to see to what extent
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: it's a massive success, but they've had some success early apparently.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And Elon likes to brag about it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: And so I think it's totally fine and legitimate to take,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: to be scrutinizing this from an ethical perspective. Are we
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: robbing ourselves of our humanity? Are we playing God? You know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: that it, That seems important to me because the more
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: that you convince yourself that you're God, the less likely
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: it is that you'll ever meet him, that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: You'll ever make it to eternity.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Because that is, once again, to go back to kind
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: of the biblical implications here, that does seem like a
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: really big deal. One last thing about Elon that I'm
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: very always intrigued by and that I think he continues
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: to deserve scrutiny for is definitely his relationship with China
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: and the extent to which he relies on Chinese resources
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: to build the components that go into things like Tesla's
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: He's clearly got business interests there. Even before he came
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: into the government and started working with Trump, that's an
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: area where I said, OK, I'm concerned. I want to
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: make sure that he's not compromised on some of these
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: huge questions. And I think it's totally legitimate for Americans
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: to vet people who are in positions of leadership or
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: who wield immense amounts of power in order to make
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: sure that they're not being hurt by them.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's great.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And there's a difference between having really thoughtful, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: discussions about whether there's a compromising situation for him to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: be in as he's involved in the government, whether Neuralink
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: is an ethical thing to be exploring, putting chips in
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: people's brains. I mean, that has serious questions to it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And then there's also people defecating on Teslas and burning
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: them to the ground. I mean, this is just completely deranged.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So there's two sides here. And you can have an
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: honest conversation about Elon Musk and also not take a
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: crap on a Tesla vehicle because you're angry at Elon
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Musk and Trump.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Well, this is one of the reasons I like Elon.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Elon is taking kind of a known risk here. I mean,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: it shouldn't come as a surprise to Elon Musk that
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: he's being demonized in this way, that the left has
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: activated its foot soldiers to attack Americans who buy Teslas.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: It should not come as a surprise to him at
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: all because we've seen this play out over and over,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: whether we saw it in the summer of 2020 or
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: through the Antifa George Floyd riots, where we saw the
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: vile and the venom.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: That's been.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Directed towards President Trump and his supporters. and people wearing
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: MAGA hats being attacked, the absolute garbage treatment of pro-life
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Americans singing church hymns outside of abortion mills. parents going
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: to school board meetings being treated like they're terrorists for
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: daring to raise questions about the way their kids are
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: being treated. So Elon Musk, he's a smart guy. He
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: knew that this was a possibility, and yet he's still
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: doing this. There are lots of business people who would
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: have ducked out a while ago, who would have kept
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: their head down and said, okay, I did enough. I
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: want to exit the public conversation. But Elon right now is,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: as I understand it, taking the most death threats and
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: most aggression that he's taken from the left in his
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: entire career And he's keeping his head up and he's
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: still going into the fight every day.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: So for that, I respect him and I'm grateful for him.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think there's something to be said, Vince,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: about who do we trust in the system? Who do
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: we trust in media? And as we have a brand
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: new political landscape, a brand new media landscape, this is
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: kind of what we've been talking about the whole hour.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: You have to scrutinize better. Who aligns with my values?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Who can I put my faith in? And I like
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk for all the reasons that you just laid out.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: At the same time, I can say, well, is Elon
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Musk a Christian? I mean, I'm a Christian. These are
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: my values. Neuralink doesn't align with them. I would never
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: mess with that. And so to ask those questions about
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: where is he coming from, what's motivating him, I think
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: is really fruitful. And we can do the same thing
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: with people in media. Oh, go ahead.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: No, I'm agreeing with you violently. I love it.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: And what I will say is this goes to my
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: point about scrutinizing people who have mass amounts of power.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: This is where I just want to offer advice to
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: anybody who has a left winger in their life, like
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: a kid, like a young person around them who's a lefty.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Cultivate their cynicism towards powerful institutions. You're not going to
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: win them over by telling them Trump is great.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: They don't believe you. They think you're ridiculous for liking Trump.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: That's just the way it is.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: But you can tap into the energy that they're focusing
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: on Trump. So they think, a lot of these lefties,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: especially young people, they think that they're speaking truth to power.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm holding the powerful accountable. Okay, fine. I'm not
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: asking you to love Trump today. Maybe you will in
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the future. Maybe you won't.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: What I am asking you to do is train the
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: brain that you have, the cynicism you have for that guy,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: onto every powerful institution that exists in this country.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Widen the lens, baby.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: And start like looking seriously at them. You think the
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: pharmaceutical companies are really looking out for you? Do you
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: think the big medical companies that are mutilating and butchering
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: children are really looking out for you?
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: You think that's what's happening here?
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: You think like Big Soda, there's a controversy this week
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: about Big Soda online, is really looking out for you?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: So basically get them, like you don't have to win
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: on this territory that, oh, you should like Trump because
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: he's doing good things for the country. That's probably a
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: lost battle right now. But you can win by getting
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: them to employ that same sort of aggression and scrutiny
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: on other institutions of power.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The groupthink is such a cancer to any side
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: of the political aisle. And to cultivate questions and scrutiny,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you're 100% right, Vince. It's the way to go. No
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: matter what worldview you're coming at things from, if you're
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: an honest broker and you want to actually question power
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: no matter where it is, that's somebody I can have
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a conversation with. That's somebody I can work with because
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I really respect somebody who's looking at the world through
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that purview. And I feel like that is the case
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of a lot of young people today, Vince. There's some
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: new polling that's come out. Men who are 20 years old, apparently,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: polling shows, dislike the Democratic Party more than men over 75. Massive.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: We're also finding out that all demographics under 25, so women, men, black, brown, white,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: all more conservative than their millennial counterparts. What do you
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: think is going on, and do you notice this as
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a millennial maybe meeting younger people?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I do wonder, you mentioned earlier in our conversation
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: that you were born in 1999, right? And so you
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: experienced 9-11 to the extent that you experienced it all
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: as a barely walking, barely talking child. And so my
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: guess is it wasn't a formative thing thing for you
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: other than you had a lot of, as you got
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: a little bit older, you're looking backwards at a lot
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: of the footage. So you probably, that's probably how you
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: ingested it for the first time is my guess, right?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: So I do think that that has to play a
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: role in some of this, probably what side of 9-11
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: you were born on and whether or not you reached
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the age of cognition for that. I would think that
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: maybe you'd be more jaded.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I certainly... I was in high school when 9-11 happened.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So I watched it happen.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: And then I kind of, I was a young person
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: who kind of believed the Bush administration on the Iraq stuff.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: My dad deployed to both Afghanistan and Iraq as a Marine.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And that definitely, I don't know, for me, that was
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: kind of a jading experience. I saw that and I'm like, man,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: our government like really lied to us and took advantage
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: of it and exploited it and then spied on us.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I think young people have.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Always had a cynicism for the people who are in power.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's always been the case. For the youngest
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: generation now, other than Trump from 17 to 21, most
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: of their lives, Barack Obama was the president of the
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: United States. And the left has controlled all of our institutions.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: All of our institutions have sort of mindlessly mouthed the
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: orthodoxies of the left, no matter how stupid and preposterous
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: they've been.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And so I think.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Especially coming out of COVID and the George Floyd riots—
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: And living in a world where you're– and the idea
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: that men can play women's sports, just like constantly being
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: reminded that the emperor has no clothes, that the left
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: is insane, and that we don't have to play by
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: those rules anymore. And then seeing Trump so theatrically reject
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: those rules is thrilling. And young people respect authenticity. And
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: when they detect it in someone, they can smell it
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: right away. They can also detect phoniness and fraudulence. And
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: so I'm not in the end all that surprised. I'm
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: encouraged by it. I like it because I do think
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: it bodes well for the future of our country if
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: more young people are waking up to the realities of
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: what's going on. But it is one of the most
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: fascinating developments of my life. If you had asked us
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: 10 years ago, would young people be breaking for Trump?
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would have said yes.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, it's a fascinating thing. And I think
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the Obama years played a huge role. had a big
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: impact on millennials, I think even more so than 9-11. Like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that era was, it was cool to be a liberal, right? Like,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: there was that hot girl who came out with the song,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I Got a Crush on Obama. Then you had the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: little kid singing, he's going to bring happiness. And like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: it was just, it was all viral. It was like
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a moment, right? Obama was such a moment. And then
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Gen Z sort of came of age, not when that
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: was cool. There were children around. I mean, I was
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: eight when Obama was first elected. I wasn't thinking about
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: politics very deeply at that age. I started thinking about
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: politics pretty deeply in 2020. To me, 2020 was the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: most formative year of my life. I was 20 years old.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I wrote my first op-ed. And I was canceled at
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: my university. You had George Floyd riots in the cities
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: that I love and I've been to, burned to the ground.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It felt like my country was under attack. Then I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: was sent home from school and I was wearing a
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: mask and then I had to, you know, forced to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: take an experimental vaccine, which I refused to do and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: almost got kicked out of school. And this is not
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: like a unique experience of mine. An entire generation went
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: through this. And even those a little younger than me,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I look at my little siblings, well, they didn't get
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: to go to, I mean, they're older high school students.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: There's no prom, no sports. What kind of impact does
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that have on a generation? And so it's very cynical,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I'll say. And I think also in the world of
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: AI and social media where things are fake, you're 100%
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: right that we value authenticity. And I think about, I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: used to do some events with Young America's Foundation, which
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I like. It's a great organization tied to the Reagan legacy.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: And there was just this desire, we have to change
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the culture, we have to move the needle, we have
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: to get the young people. And I didn't feel like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: it felt like we were just saying it, but we
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: weren't doing anything because we didn't know what to do.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And it just sort of happened on its own organically,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: irrespective of all these right-wing movements who very well meaningly
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: wanted to make a difference and didn't. And instead, it's
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: this manosphere that has changed the way young people are
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: viewing the world, not just the circumstances, but the online
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: right that has risen independently of these sort of establishment
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: right-wing institutions that had been trying to change the culture
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and had failed for years and years and years.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Well, that's because, yeah, I think you're totally right on
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: all fronts. I think Trump had a massive role in this.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I think Trump's just sort of brash presentation has always
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: had a certain.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Sort of animal appeal to it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: People see it and are like, Like, and I think like,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: it just reminds me of like, kind of like women
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: who are scandalized by bad language, but who silently agree,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: but they don't want to admit it out loud. They
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: kind of like, like, oh, he's so awful. Like, but,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: but they're like, I do agree with what he's saying.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I do think a lot of that happened. You know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: what you just described that the culture moved first and
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: the politics followed is exactly the Andrew Breitbart school of thought,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: which is that politics is downstream of culture, that culture
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: goes first, that politics follows. I think we've definitely seen
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of that. Also, it's probably worth dwelling on
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: the role that media consumption has played. You asked about
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: media earlier and the way it's changed over the course
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: of my life. Now we have access to so much
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: more information so quickly. The left no longer has a
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: stranglehold on the means of delivery, and you can thank
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk in part for that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: That is a big deal.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: There's been a long thought, kind of a long sort
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: of institutional belief in media that conservative news consumers are
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: like in some sort of ghetto, that they're just consuming
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: stupid media that has no resemblance to reality, when in
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: fact I really think the opposite is true. I think
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: that left-wing news consumers exist within a bubble that is
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: fairly impenetrable. And this is how you end up with
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: people like Rosie O'Donnell this past week thinking that Donald
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Trump stole the last election and that Kamala Harris was
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: filling stadiums. It's preposterous to anybody who's paying attention to reality.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: That's so crazy. But she typifies— A lefty who only
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: lives inside of a world that is tailor-made to meet
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: her expectations and to tell her everything is left-wing and
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: that Trump is awful and that people who support him
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: are idiots. Meanwhile, the average conservative news consumer is highly
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: media literate. They know what's happening in The New York Times.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: They know what's happening in The Washington Post. They know
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: what's happening in The Wall Street Journal, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Not only do they know what's happening on those networks
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: and in those papers, they also know what the truth
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: is that wasn't revealed in those original publications. So they
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: have this holistic understanding of major stories and all of
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: the contours, the nooks, the crannies.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: They know about it.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: The left, meanwhile, has insulated its audience to the point
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: that they call suicide hotlines after Trump wins an election
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: because they were not ready for that outcome.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: That's how different the left and the right are right now.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: So you brought up such a good point about media
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: literacy because you're right. I mean, if I look at
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: what I do to prepare for my show every day,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I'm reading publications that I love. I'm reading The Federalist,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm reading The Postmillennial, and I'm reading American Mind,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm reading The Daily Wire and The Daily Signal,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: but I'm also reading The Atlantic, and I'm reading Vanity Fair,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm reading Vox, and I'm doing it all, and
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you have to. That's what... I mean, as even a
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: conservative on a left-wing college campus, you have to be
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: familiar with all of the other arguments because you're constantly
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: being attacked on all sides, and the left just doesn't
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: have to do that. And right now, there's a push
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in schools. I don't know if you've heard of this, Vince.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have young daughters. You might know. There's
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: a push to promote media literacy programs in the classroom
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: where they essentially indoctrinate children into into not trusting alternative media,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: that inherently alternative media is bad. And the trusted sources
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: are corporate media, The Atlantic, The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: These are the sources that they basically brainwash children into
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: thinking are the only ones that they can trust. I
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: don't know if it will work. Obviously, it didn't work
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: with Gen Z. We probably didn't have media literacy growing up.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: But maybe with Gen Alpha, it will. Have you heard
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: about this, and is this something that the Trump admin
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: can get rid of? Because many of these are NGOs
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that are promoting these media literacy programs, and they're getting
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: government funding, but some of them are operating on their own,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and they're installing themselves in schools, and now they are
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: already there without the NGO having to facilitate it every year.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: So those NGOs, I'd be curious to know how much
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: of the revenues come from the very media organizations you
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: just mentioned or organizations that launder that money to them
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: with this express purpose, which is to create a cartel
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: in the minds of American children and to protect their
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: industry from any newcomers or anybody coming in and penetrating that.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Bubble, for one.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: This is what you're describing is kind of a very
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Soviet kind of thing. Get to the kids quickly while
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: they're impressionable. and convince them that even what their parents
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: do is somehow sinful, to go into a classroom and
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: tell them, like, hey, or at least leave them with
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: the impression, oh, your parents are reading The Daily Wire
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: or The Daily Caller or The Federalist.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Like, those are not approved sources.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: And so a child goes home with this reticence about
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: their own parents and the way that they consume news.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Again, Soviet.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: And I remember maybe a decade ago, there was a
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: story that was very similar to what you're describing. The
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Girl Scouts of America was distributing a pamphlet for kids,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: like for all the Girl Scouts to read. And inside
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: of the pamphlet was a little thing about media literacy,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: and it directed the girls to go to the website
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: of Media Matters for America for more advice. Media Matters
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: is a Clinton World left-wing hatchet operation designed– to hurt
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: conservatives and destroy conservative media. That's the express purpose. Its founder,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: David Brock, said that his singular war was against Fox News.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: It's not some sort of objective assessment of how to
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: consume news and then how to derive facts from that. So, yeah,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: this battle continues, and it's especially disgusting when they target
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: children in this way.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm fixing my earpiece here. It keeps kind of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: falling on me, Vince. I'm sorry.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: That's all right.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a great point, Vince, and there is a
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Soviet element to what we're dealing with. I mean, the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: slow march to our institutions, right, and we usually apply
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: that phrase to the college level, but it's everything, right?
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: They've infiltrated everything, whether we're talking about higher education to
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: lower education to the government to the media apparatus or
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: at least the corporate media apparatus, and there's this movement
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: right now sort of organically building up a parallel economy
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: building up different media institutions. And now there's different school programs.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: The University of Austin is kind of an experiment in this.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: But then you also have charter schools and private schools
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: springing up everywhere. And I wonder, Vince, maybe you can't
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: speak to this. You're not a woman. But I do
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: feel like there's something to be said about women organizing
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: in society and building institutions and community and nurturing. in
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: a way that we don't have anymore. Everything is sort
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: of big and governmental or non-governmental organizations that receive government funds.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: And they are very deliberately left wing. And all of
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: these people who used to sustain community in the past,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: women usually, who had a relationship with the people that
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: they were creating these spaces for in their church or
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: their school, are dying. I think that these people are
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: dying off. I don't see young women my age doing
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: this or young men my age doing this. Even people
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: in your generation, this seems to be something that's going away.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And I think perhaps we really, at an existential level,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: need to bring it back if we have a chance
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: at combating our corrupted institutions.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that women, by their very nature, have
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: a nurturing impulse, your point. And if they're not nurturing
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: their own children, they will look for an outfit for
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: their nurturing impulse.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: And sometimes, you know, we.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Talk about like the left likes to talk about toxic masculinity.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I think if there's going to be an analog to that,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: there may be some toxic femininity out there, which is
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: like we see institutions that are run by childless women
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: who seem to want to exercise that nurturing impulse in
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: a way that they may not be perceiving the consequences
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: of it on a broad scale to society. Like, how
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: many school boards are popular? Left-wing school boards are populated
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: by childless women who are on the school board who
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: are enacting horrific policies that are not helping the kids
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of that.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if there's a direct causal link, but
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: I do think that there is something fundamental about all
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: of us. And the same is true of men, that
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: you have a sense of duty, you have a sense
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: of obligation.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Is it possible?
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Like, basically, you've got biological aggression within you. Is there
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: a way for you to channel that in such a
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: way that is constructive, that you can use it well?
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: And I think all of us, we always are on
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: this personal journey to discipline our impulses to exercise them
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: in a healthy way. And then if we don't do that,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: they manifest in unhealthy ways. And if you ignore that,
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: you're ignoring reality itself.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Last question, Vince. Are you going to take your daughters
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: to see Snow White?
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I am not. I've got one beautiful daughter. The Lord
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: has blessed me with one 10-year-old girl. Oh, I'm sorry.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I thought you had daughters. I'm sorry.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: No, that's okay. You know, you got to meet Sophia. Yeah.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: And it, which was great. We had such a good
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: time in Florida with you. And no, the answer is no.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: The answer is no. I don't, I don't really, I
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: don't know a tremendous amount about this film.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: First of all, I've seen some of the live action.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Just so the viewers know the reason I'm
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: saying daughters, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Dan. I just
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: assumed like you're in Dan's shoes. Dan has two daughters.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Vince has two daughters.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I've got to have a carbon copy.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, one daughter, Sophia.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: So you're not going to take her. Explain to me why.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: No, it's okay.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: So first of all, I've seen some of the live-action
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: remakes of the Disney classics, and I've never once been
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: impressed by them.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I've never once walked away and gone, man, that was
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: so much better.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: It wasn't.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Actually, the original was always better in every single case.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: And so I'm tired of going through that game. Also,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: you know, this movie has been a disaster. from the
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: moment it was announced. I just remember a couple of
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: the things, like the lead actress was out there boldly
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: declaring that she's grateful that there is no male rescuer
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: in the movie and that there's no functional relationship between
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Snow White and the Prince. It's not really meaningful at all.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I think the Prince, I haven't seen it. So I,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: but my understanding is that the Prince plays a minimal
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: role of any in, in Snow White.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: She did it on her own. She girl bossed her
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: way through the process.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: Also.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: And I hate that by the way, I hate attacks
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: on human relations. I don't think that's good for us.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I think we shouldn't celebrate it.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I saw people pointing out.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: That the conclusion of the movie, which is on the
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: internet right now is like all these people dancing. And
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: one of the most fascinating observations about the dance sequence
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: is is that there are no couples.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: There's no pair dancing. Everything is all singular. Everyone is
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: dancing for themself.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: It's a very self-centered dance sequence, whereas one of the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: great features of dance is the ability of a man
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: and a woman to dance with one another in all
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: these really cool styles. That's not what's happening there. And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: then lastly, the dwarf thing.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I think Peter Dinklage or something had come out and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: be like, this is awful. That dwarves are little.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: He wants to be the only dwarf actor in Hollywood.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, that little people are typecast for these roles. What
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: do you mean typecast? First of all, the role is
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: for a little human being. It turns out there are
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: little human beings available. They are actors and they're looking
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: for work. Why would you exclude them to serve the left?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: They decided to put like all these like various shaped
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: and colored people that had nothing to do with dwarves.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: And as far as I could tell, the dwarf community
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: was not thrilled about this. They were like, what? We
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: want those jobs. So maybe let's just get back to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: common sense.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: So no, I'm not going to support a stupid movie
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: that is designed not to uplift or to bring back
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: feelings of nostalgia, but instead to erase your nostalgia and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: tell you you're a bad person for having it in
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: the first place.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that hits the nail on the head, Vince.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to go see it either. The
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: original is just too good to defile in that way,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to just ruin it in your psyche. You just have
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: to stick with what's good. And I already know it's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: going to be terrible. I saw Rachel Zegler talk about it.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to support her. You know that she
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: actually did an Instagram post after President Trump won, basically
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: saying that I hope all of you Trump supporters, it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: seemed to be a suggestion of almost violence, that you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: all get what you deserve now that he's elected. I mean,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: it was just, she's a walking PR nightmare for Disney,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I'll just say. But Vince, I got to end it
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: there because we're pretty much out of time here. But
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you where people can go to
• 1:01:49
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• 1:01:52
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• 1:01:56
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• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You'll be able to listen to him that way. But
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: where can people actually go to find you on Apple, Spotify,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: and on your personal accounts?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Well, the podcast is called Vince. So hopefully that's simple enough.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: We excluded my last name. It's too complicated to spell.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: So Vince is the podcast. I do a radio show
• 1:02:17
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• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: That's 12 to 3 Eastern nationwide.
• 1:02:22
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• 1:02:24
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• 1:02:27
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• 1:02:29
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• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: It's at Vince Colonna is on X. I'm on Instagram,
• 1:02:33
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• 1:02:37
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• 1:02:39
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• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Amazing. I love it. Vince, thank you so much for
• 1:02:42
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• 1:02:51
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