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Why has the West infiltrated Syria? · UK Column Radio

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Kovac, Amassia, and thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Oh, thank you so much for having me.
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It's a great pleasure, my friend.
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We have built a number of friendships over the last few
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years. Thanks.
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Thanks actually to the whole lockdown thing.
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Indeed. And back then, this was an
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opportunity, in my opinion, for the people to come together and
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connect together, especially that that era was supposed and
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it was planned to separate between the people, to find
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vertical lines among the people, to turn the people against each
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other. So we needed also a coalition of
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people, let's say, to push back against the trend of turning the
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people against each other so that they would be busy with
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these side fights. Meanwhile, the people in power,
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they're grabbing all the power and all the money from the
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people. Meanwhile, we were discussing if
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we should wear a mask or not. If I look at my work as a
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political cartoonist, I mean, I've got books published.
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I was very, very mainstream in my views and I've only swung in
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the last few years. And what worries me is why is it
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that I held those views and not just me?
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Why is it that so many in the mainstream held perhaps the
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wrong side of history views? Is that is that a?
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Is that a result of just Western propaganda?
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I just want to say that I have never intended to become an
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expert on Syria. This was not even in the corner
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of my head or I didn't want to, let's say hyper focus on one
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issue. It was the imposed war on us in
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Syria and the injustices inflicted upon the Syrian
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people. When you are, for example, in
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2012 at the beginning of the war, you're in Aleppo and you
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see with your own objective eye something is happening in front
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of your eyes. And then when you turn on your
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TV to the mainstream press and especially Al Jazeera or the
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English speaking TV outlets, because I used to also speak
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English back then, you notice a stark difference.
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There is sometimes an 180° difference between what is
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happening on the ground and what they're reporting.
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So this starts like, out of curiosity, why are they doing
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this? I thought that the naive me back
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then in 2012, so we're talking about 13 years ago, that maybe
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they don't know. Maybe these journalists really
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do not know what is happening. So what I did, basically, I
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contacted the mainstream journalists.
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I contacted Abu Adaman of CNN, I contacted Hala Gorani of CNN and
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back then one of them was in Damascus.
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So I received a phone call and from the CNN journalist asking
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me what happened today in Aleppo because there was a anti assault
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protest somewhere and I reported about it.
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I told her what I saw with my own objective eyes.
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And at night when I read the article on CNN, for me it was
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this, you know, the shock factor that all of a sudden you see
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that you told her something and she reported completely
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something else. So I started questioning, like,
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are they really doing this on purpose or not?
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So since then I started, I created a group on Facebook
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called Syria Now News and Analysis.
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Back then, it wasn't Syria Analysis, it was called Syria
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Now. So we're reporting what's
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happening in Syria now in English.
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And since then, people started to look to alternative news
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sources, coming to Facebook to read in the group what I and
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other people are posting there. But this was more like an
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activism because we were very young and we were very, you
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know, like, let's say, sensational more than we're
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trying to deliver all the facts because we want only to debunk
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what the mainstream media is doing.
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But this has developed through time that you become at the
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point where you can stay as an activist or you take one step
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ahead and study the the documents, for example, leaked
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by the American memos, defence intelligence agencies, CIA
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leaked documents, books, reading and reading to understand all
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these things. I had professors and I had
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mentors. Lots of people were teaching me
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Syria. But the political analysis of
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what is happening now in the country is, in my opinion, you
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cannot really rely on scholars. And on the theories and the
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people who studied the books studied the history of Syria
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because most of the people in my experience were.
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I call them prisoners of the. Books.
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So you have a professor who studied 15 years as a historian,
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political science, etcetera, but he studied it through the books
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and who have who has written these books and why these books
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exist in the library and not other books.
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So I started questioning a lot. So I went into this rabbit hole.
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Why this professor is telling me who is my supervisor that what
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is happening in Syria is a democratic revolution.
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Meanwhile my eyes tell it's otherwise, right?
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So I, I, I, I went into this phase of rebellion, let's say
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against this establishment, academia and historians and like
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the, the, the so called strategic experts, like they
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host them on TV outlets. So I told to myself that this is
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an opportunity for me. To become someone who is giving
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people also solid facts about what is going on in Syria, even
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if these solid facts are sometimes subjective.
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Because this is my opinion based on certain realities which I saw
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in my own eyes and then. You see, after 7-8 years of
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consistent work like you, you are daily telling them what is
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going on not only in Syria but the Middle East reporting.
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I have over 1000, 10 or 1020 videos on on YouTube.
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So people are not stupid. People can see patterns.
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People can see that after seven years, someone X who works for a
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think tank that receives funding from government A, Government B,
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Donor A, donor B, which he has basically invested interest in
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Syria, unlike someone who comes from Syria and he's telling you
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something on his YouTube channel whose sole funding are the
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people watching it. There is a big difference for
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them to see that when I say if this happens, then this will
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lead into this. And then in a few days or a few
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weeks when they see that what I predicted based on these
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realities that I'm trying to discuss actually happened, they
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say, OK, what predicted it. But it's not like prediction
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based on reading the stars. It's a prediction based on
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reading the sequences of events and knowing the history of the
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region, which is basically turning out to be to be true.
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So that's how you gain credibility among the people and
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that's why the people. TuneIn and they call you an
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expert on Syria, although. I had no intention at all to
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become an expert on this issue. My dream was to become a
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diplomat representing my country in the UN.
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My dream was to become an ambassador representing the
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interests of my country. But those are all faded away.
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I'm not like regretting to to have this current career, but in
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an ideal world I wouldn't have become someone talking on
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YouTube. I would have been a diplomat for
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sure. When I was on Alex Jones's show
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recently, he called me an expert and I said I'm not an expert.
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And he said no, no. If you live there and you
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experience something that is certainly a metric by which you
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can be referred to as an expert. And I think that's quite, quite
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true because everybody these days is an expert and they've
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never even been or spent time in the area that they are reporting
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on. Yes.
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Look that that it is very important for someone, for
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example, if this someone wants to become an expert on Syria, to
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at least know the communities in Syria.
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Syrians are not like one unique people.
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There is this a concept that Syria is.
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Like a nation, and I would like to say something about this,
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Syria has never been a nation historically.
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We spoke this also offline. The history of Syria goes to the
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biblical times, and we know that Damas very.
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Important. It's an extremely important
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country, yeah. Yes, but there was no state
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called Syria in history, right? And this is a new construct
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after the independence of Syria from the French occupier.
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But Damascus, for example, the current capital of Syria, is the
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oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world.
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It is. It was mentioned early in the
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Bible, for example in Genesis 14, 15 and is closely associated
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with Abraham whose servant Eliser was from Damascus.
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It is also attributed to the conversion of some Paul.
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So Paul who underwrote to Damascus, he converted and this
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was a pivotal moment in New Testament history.
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For example, Syria nowadays includes.
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A town called Malula, and Malula is up until this moment they
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speak Aramaic, which is the language of Jesus Christ.
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So it has a big significance from historical and biblical
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perspective. I understand it.
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But there was no empire which said this is Syria and this was
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the Syrian empire. This was a new construct after
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the French mandate. So in this case we had different
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types of tribes, people, sects, religions, ethnicities,
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etcetera. The French came and said, so we
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decided today that you guys are all Syrians, you know, and this
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was something that was very new. For the Syrians to have a
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national identity because before that they lived on the French
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occupation and before that 400 years of Ottoman occupation, and
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before that Umayyad and Abbasid and Safaid and so many other,
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the Greeks and Romans, so many different empires passed through
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Syria. Now, under side circumstances,
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we have a new country where you have over 2223 different
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components coming together calling themselves Syrians.
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Right. So if you're not in Syria and if
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you haven't socialised with these different people, you will
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not know that the people in the resort are very different from
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the people in Aleppo. You will not know that the
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people in Aleppo are very different from the people in
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Damascus, very different. And they, we speak the same
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language with different dialects, but we have different
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mentalities. We have different cuisines, we
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have different cultures, we have different music.
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It's, it's a mosaic, as we call it.
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It sounds like South Africa. Exactly.
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But but the difference is that after World War 2, Syrians were
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given this piece of land to, to govern themselves, right,
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Supposedly. But the Syrians have never
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governed themselves before. They were governed by other
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powers. So this was a new experience
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also for them to to manage a state and govern all these
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people together. That's why between the 1948,
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since the independence of Syria till 1970, this era was the most
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unstable era in the history of modern Syria because they
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witnessed around 10 coup d'etats.
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Like every two weeks somebody turns against each other and
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they're like, now I'm the leader, you have to worship me,
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you know? And here we have the Americans,
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the 11 of the first CIA LED. Coup d'etat in the history of
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the CIA was in Syria and they brought Houston Zaim as a
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president of the country because they wanted to for Syria to make
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peace with Israel and they were creating a Middle Eastern
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alliance, countries of alliances against the Soviet.
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Union and Syria back then rejected it, so they engineered
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the coup. The so the history of the coup
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d'etat and regime change operations goes back 7080 years
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back in history in Syria. It's nothing new, but these coup
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d'etats, after 10 coup d'etats, the last one was done by the
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father of Bashar Hafez al Assad. And since the 1970 Syria
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witnessed, let's say, political stability, which means there was
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a regime imposing its rule on the people, has established
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political authoritarianism. It has given the people the
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economic opportunity, cultural and societal freedoms.
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But don't come close to politics.
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We give you very cheap food, medication, fuel, healthcare.
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You study tool till PhD for free with good education.
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You get your fuel for very cheap prices.
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You get your meat for very cheap prices.
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People were happy mostly, but some people wanted more, wanted
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political freedoms. But then the political people
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who wanted political freedoms, they themselves were not
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Democrats. So this is the this is the
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problem with with Syria. The people who rise against the
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political authoritarianism in Syria under the leadership of
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Hafez, they themselves were not Democrats because they were
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belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood.
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And the Muslim Brotherhood never believed in democracy.
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They believed in elections to reach to power.
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Once they reach to power, which is like a train, you jump into
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the train, which is elections, you reach to power and then you
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jump out of the train and you create a theocracy.
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This is what Jolani is doing nowadays, right?
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Therefore, although Jolani didn't come with elections too,
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he came also after a coup d'etat.
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And this is something we could discuss later in our
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conversation. So under such circumstances, the
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Hafez regime, they cracked down on this Islamist scene,
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completely crashed them in 82 after they created an Islamic
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emirate in Syria, in Aleppo and in Hama, similar to what is
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happening nowadays now under Bashar.
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When Bashar came and succeeded power, he came from London.
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He is an ophthalmologist. He married Asma, who was born
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and raised in Britain. Although she is a Syrian.
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Descent and her family are all Syrians, but they came from a
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place where they studied and lived with progressive values.
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So he came with a confrontational, let's say,
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attitude towards the people, thinking that these people need
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to be socially reformed. So he started opening up the
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society, liberalising the economy, and this created him
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lots of. Backlash and lots of enemies in
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the country because. Many people were not ready to
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accept these progressive values, and especially among the more
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conservative people, and especially among the Muslim
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people. That's why even under Bashar's
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rule, at the beginning of the few years, the, the, the, the
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clergies, they opposed his reforms.
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For example, he opened the casino in Syria.
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It was a big issue. It was a big issue.
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It they made a big issue out of it because gambling is Haram
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under Islam. I understand it.
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I understand where they're coming from.
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But my approach is you see gambling as a Haram and I don't
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gamble. I'm not a Muslim and I could
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join you in efforts saying I don't like gambling, but there
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are people who like gambling and you should give them the right
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to gamble. And this is the same thing with
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alcohol. I don't drink alcohol, my
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friend, not out of religious reasons.
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I don't like it. I'm very sorry to hear, Kwok.
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Yeah, I don't like it. I feel it's it always makes me
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sick when I drink it and I feel it's a poison.
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That's just me. But if someone, my father drinks
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alcohol, my brother drinks alcohol, everybody around me
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drink alcohol. I'm not coming to the to the
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table and telling them my I don't preach the the how
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horrible alcohol is because most of the time people who drink
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alcohol, they're like, why are you not drinking alcohol?
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You know, are you, are you pussy?
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You know, you're sorry for, for the terminologies, you know,
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like, are you not a man? Why are you not drinking
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alcohols? Like, yeah, but it has nothing
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to do with me being a man, you know.
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Anyways, what I'm trying to say, Bashar came with confrontational
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attitude against this type of values and it didn't work out
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for him. Well, so he started making AU
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turn again. He realised that the people
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cannot be reformed this way. So he started giving them more
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mosques and more Islamic teachings.
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You what you want is like he started just appeasing them.
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And this has created more mosques in Syria than
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universities, more mosques in Syria than schools.
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And I'm not against the mosques, so nobody would misinterpreted
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that. However, I believe when you are
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a smaller country with smaller resources and when in the
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region, the countries who have hijacked the Islamic teachings
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are basically Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Qatar.
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And when the money is in the hands of Saudi Arabia, of Qatar,
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then they're the ones who are going to be able to project
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their interpretations and and their teachings on the rest of
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the region. And we have an experience,
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history behind it in Afghanistan.
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What did they do in Afghanistan? They brought all the Mujahideen
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from all around the world into Afghanistan with the money of
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Saudi Arabia. So we know that there is a
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history behind it, that Saudi Arabia can and could radicalise
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the youth in the Islamic world. And this was the, in my opinion,
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the fatal mistake. When you build, we have 13,000
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and 500 mosques in Syria for 24 million people.
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Out of which of course you have 30 to 40% were minorities.
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So you have built enormous number of mosques.
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And then the the political money comes, the Petro dollar comes
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Saudi Arabia and Qatar, they start inviting this clergyman,
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the sheikhs, this imam, giving them free trips to Saudi Arabia
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to go to Hajj and bring with them 50 people.
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What do you think is going to happen through time?
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They're going to buy influence in the country.
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And this imam is going to go to the podium and talk to 203
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hundred people and likewise 13,000 and 500 mosques.
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And this is what happened in 2011.
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This is what where I'm leading with this conversation.
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The vast majority of the experts on Syria do not tell us that 99%
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of the anti Assad demonstrations and protests erupted from the
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mosques every Friday after the prayer they used to go from the
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mosques. So who is funding the mosque and
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who is urging this imam to call for the people to to demonstrate
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and protest against the the political authoritarianism?
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And if this comes from the mosque, where will this lead
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when the regime change happened? Those are legitimate questions.
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And I said, if the revolution starts from the mosque, then the
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outcome will be that this is going to be an Islamic rule.
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Where is the controversy in that?
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And that was called an Assadist talking point.
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So Fast forward in 2025, my friend, who turned out to be
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correct because it's very, it's logical.
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It's not like somebody needs to be really an expert or a genius
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to understand that when you have 60,000 people, this is the the
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most, the biggest number of people who demonstrated at one
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time against Assad were 60,000 people.
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And this happened in Hama. And why it is in Hama?
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Because in 82 the Muslim Brotherhood uprising started
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from Hama and this was the place where they started an Islamic
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Emirate in Hama and this is where Hafez al Assad crashed
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this Islamist uprising and insurgency in 82.
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So if you don't know the history, you will not know why
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most people demonstrated in the city of Hama also against
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Bashar. Anyways, because of this let's
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say context and background, it was easy to see that if they
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remove Assad from power this is not going to lead into a western
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style democracy or a Switzerland or not even a Singapore because
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this is what the anti Assad people all the time say.
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Once we remove Assad from power we will make a Singapore of the
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Middle East out of Syria. And this is ridiculous because
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if you need to create a Singapore, you need the
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mentality of the people who built Singapore.
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But when you see who are the people governing Syria nowadays,
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like Jolani and Shibani and the Ministry of Interior and the
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intelligence apparatuses and the multinational terrorists in
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Syria, the maximum they could establish is Afghanistan. 2
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point O. And I'm not trying to insult the
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people in Afghanistan. I'm, I'm, I'm saying the, the,
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the, the ruling party there, who are they?
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It's the Taliban, right? And these people in Syria who
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are governing now are worse than Taliban.
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They are the Al Qaeda offshoot. They are the partners of Abu
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Baker Baghdadi. They are the people who were in
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Iraq and sending car bombs into a Christian and Shia
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neighbourhoods. They are the ones who
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decapitated countless number of people.
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They are the ones who executed women in the streets, accusing
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them of adultery, all documented on videos.
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The defence minister of Syria, he has an old video film 2014,
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breaking the statue of Virgin Mary on on the floor.
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Those are the people who are in charge of the country.
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So what do you expect really from this type of mentality?
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Then somebody like Charles Lister, who is considered an
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expert on Syria for working for a think tank funded by the Gulf
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countries, he comes and tells you that don't listen to Kivuk,
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this is paid by Assad. This is a projection because
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they are paid by people with invested interest to distort
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these realities and present what is happening in Syria as a
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progress. This is the worst chapter in the
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history of Syria. This is the darkest and the
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bleakest chapter in the history of Syria.
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And the Syrian people are paying a very, very high price for this
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choice. Maybe they didn't choose it.
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I don't know. But now, after that Jolani came,
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many people like, act like it's the acceptable thing to accept
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Jolani. No, it's not.
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It's not. Imagine your president is the
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founder of the al Qaeda offshoot in Syria.
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Do you understand the gravity of the issue?
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Do you understand I'm talking to the Syrian people what type of
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image you are giving about your country to the outside world by
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having a president like him? Because there wasn't consistent
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effort since 9:11 to say all Muslims are terrorists, right?
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You remember the era of after 911 and equate them all to Osama
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bin Laden. And if you accept someone like
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Jolani as a president, you are proving the point.
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You have fallen into the trap. They have said for you by now
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they will come and say every time we gave them the
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opportunity to govern themselves, we freed them from
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the from the tyranny. And they have picked and chose
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the al Qaeda leader, although they didn't choose him.
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They were the CIA and the MI 6 and the MIT behind Jolani.
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They brought him to power, but the people celebrated him.
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That's the problem. So it's also, this is not only
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politics, you know, you have public opinion in the West, in
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the east, in the South, in the north, watching what is
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happening there. And they were like, oh, Syrian
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people want Jolani, OK, which means they're also like Jolani,
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right? If you want Jolani, you're like
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Jolani. But Jolani comes and says, I
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have, I have informed like, like the last person which I
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decapitated 1010 days ago. I, that was a phase.
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I reformed. I'm a diversity friendly, accept
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me the way I am. And now I'm going to govern the
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country with 22 different components and I'm going to be
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fair with them. I'm going to treat them well.
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Nice words, right? Those are about all rhetoric.
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It's talk. The moment he came to power, he
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killed 1500 civilians in three days.
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In three days, all were Alawites.
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He massacred them based on their sectarian affiliation because
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they associated them with Assad. Assad was an Alawite, so they
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killed them and they they came after the Druze in the South,
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and the Druze had the the United States and Israel on their back,
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so they shielded themselves. The same goes with the Kurds.
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They shielded themselves with the Americans, but who is in the
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back of the Christians and the Alawites?
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No one. If Jolani kills every single
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Christian and Alawite in Syria now, nobody will blink an eye.
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They don't give a fuck about them.
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A big portion of the post independence Syria seems to
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relate to to Islam a lot. So.
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At the current moment, the Christians of Syria, the
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percentage of the Christians of Syria dropped 90%, which means
28:35
we have moved from around 2,000,000 Christianity in Syria
28:40
into 200,000 Christians in Syria.
28:43
This is a very small number anyways.
28:45
So they don't present any obstacle to the rule, to the
28:49
government, to the regime or to the Islamists.
28:53
Now, in my experience in Syria, I have lived there most of my
28:57
life. I have never encountered in my
29:01
life racism or prejudice or any type of negative behaviour
29:08
because I was a Christian from anyone Muslim, Christian drusa.
29:13
It was a situation where people don't care what what religion
29:17
you are because they said El Din Muhammadi in Arabic, which means
29:24
religion is how how you treat me.
29:29
So the the way you treat me, I treat you.
29:31
I don't care if you believe in Muhammad, if you believe in
29:34
Jesus, if you believe to Isa, it doesn't matter.
29:38
As long as you treat me well, I treat you well.
29:40
And the Christians in Syria and especially the Armenians of
29:44
Syria, they had a brilliant reputation among the Muslim
29:47
people to the extent that my father used to be in an
29:53
industrial zone and we were like a second class business doing
29:59
businesses. It's not like we were not in the
30:01
upper of the tier. We couldn't import from, let's
30:05
say from Germany, but we used to buy from the market and resell
30:08
it in the market. And we used to work in a German
30:13
business. And what happened is basically
30:16
people come to our shop and say to my tell my father that we
30:21
want to buy from you because you're Armenian, because you're
30:24
Christian, because we know you don't lie and you don't cheat
30:29
and we trust you. And when you say this is
30:31
Chinese, this is Chinese, this is German, this is German.
30:34
So Muslims used to come and buy from us all the time.
30:38
And we made our money, we made our fortune thanks to them.
30:45
We had no problem with them. And on Fridays they used to go
30:48
to their prayer, they pray for 1/1 and 1/2 hour, etcetera.
30:53
All the countries stops from operating.
30:55
It's OK, it's 1 1/2 hour per week, no problem.
30:59
But the moment when you start forcing it on the people, so
31:05
it's Friday, they're going to pray.
31:07
So we used to close our shop and sit inside until they finish
31:11
their prayer out of respect. But then when the war erupted,
31:15
the Islamists came. They will force you to close
31:19
your shop, so they would come to your shop.
31:21
If you don't close your shop, we will kill you or we will lynch
31:24
you in the streets. That's the difference between
31:26
what Muslim and what an Islamist is.
31:30
So nowadays, unfortunately speaking, the people governing
31:34
the country are these radical Islamists and the Christians
31:39
have lost just completely in this government and they know
31:46
that this government doesn't sees them as equals in the
31:49
country. And the evidence for it is, is
31:53
this latest terrorist attack in the church in San Elias Church
31:57
in Damascus, which killed over 30 civilians.
32:01
I will give you, I will tell you why two people between two to
32:07
three people conducted this terrorist attack.
32:09
And one of them, the people outside the church, they have
32:13
seen him crossing a checkpoint of the Jolani regime and they
32:19
have seen this person before in their neighbourhood. 2 weeks
32:24
ago, he came with loud speakers on a back of a pickup track
32:31
calling the Christians to convert to Islam and the people
32:35
of the district kicked him out of the neighbourhood. 2 weeks
32:40
later they saw him coming and passing through the checkpoint
32:44
and walking to the church and people tried to stop him and he
32:48
had the suicide vest and he went into the church and he blew
32:52
himself up after he opened fire on on on the people.
32:56
Now this person who two weeks ago came and called the people
33:01
to convert to Islam, people noticed his face.
33:05
They started asking questions with this person, what is he
33:08
doing in our neighbourhood? And they brought his full name,
33:12
and they found out that he is an official security personnel in
33:17
the Jolani regime, which means he's a registered security agent
33:22
in the Jolani regime. And this person came back to the
33:26
church and blew himself up among people, killing them.
33:31
And 15 minutes later, the Jolani regime issued a statement
33:37
blaming ISIS for the attack. But this was not carried out by
33:41
ISIS. This was carried out by a man
33:45
and his colleague. Both of them were part of the
33:48
Jolani regime. But because they cannot say
33:52
that, so they blamed ISIS for it.
33:54
Quickly. This is a huge sin that they
33:58
have done against the Christians because now the Christians
34:01
cannot trust the judgement of the government if you are not
34:04
going to hold yourself accountable for what your guy
34:08
did to us. Secondly, after the bombing,
34:13
only one Syrian official in the Jolani regime visited the church
34:19
to deliver the condolences and this person is Christian herself
34:24
because there is one Christian woman in the Jolani cabinet that
34:30
her handlers told her she used to live in Canada.
34:33
You need to come to Damascus. She used to work with them, with
34:37
the regime change operatives, let's say for a long time,
34:41
because we need a woman, we need a woman who who is not covered
34:45
not there is no hijab and we need a Christian woman in the
34:49
government. So we give the impression, the
34:51
false impression that this is a multiculti and diversity
34:55
friendly regime. Theatre, theatre.
34:58
She went to the church to deliver her condolences.
35:03
Right? Jolani called on the phone.
35:07
The patriarch and said he's sorry to what happened to to the
35:13
church and to the people. And then he issued a written
35:17
statement. In the statement, he says he's
35:20
expressing solidarity and sympathy with the victims of the
35:25
criminal explosion. Now when we said you need to be
35:31
Syrian to understand the, the mentality and the meanings
35:35
behind the words that these, all these pandas do not know.
35:38
If you're a president of a country and you call the this
35:44
terrorist attack a criminal explosion, you don't call it a
35:50
terrorist attack and you don't call the victims martyrs in our
35:54
language, then you are putting them below the martyrs status.
36:01
And in Syria when somebody is praying to God in a church and
36:06
gets killed, he's a martyr. Same thing happens to people who
36:10
worshipping in the mosque and somebody kills them, he's a
36:13
martyr. But Jolani not calling them a
36:16
martyr means he doesn't he, he considers them below the Muslims
36:21
who could be martyrs but the Christians not.
36:24
And the second thing is, how would Jolani even call them
36:28
martyrs if he himself sent car bombs to the Christian and Xi'an
36:35
neighbourhoods and killed many people in the past?
36:38
This means he's also a terrorist.
36:39
He's calling himself a terrorist.
36:41
And that's why the patriarch Yaji, when he gave the speech,
36:46
and I could send you the speech now.
36:48
So you could probably, if you want to show it later to your
36:51
audience. He dared to criticise Jolani and
36:55
he said you called us on a phone.
36:58
That's not enough. You didn't even declare 3 day
37:02
days of mourning for our martyrs.
37:06
You didn't call them martyrs. So he said if there is anyone
37:10
who should declare 3 days of mourning, you should declare A
37:14
mourning over the government, which means the government is
37:17
dead. And he challenged him in the
37:20
church and this LED into a huge backlash against him.
37:25
And all the minions and mouthpieces of Jolani waged a
37:29
brutal campaign against him, against Patriarch Yaji.
37:33
And I fear and I believe that they will kill him eventually.
37:38
They will kill him, but they will not kill him themselves.
37:41
Just like they did with the church.
37:43
They will send a lone wolf. It's not going to be someone
37:47
this time from the government and they will say this criminal
37:51
person killed the Patriot. They will capture him and they
37:54
will make a theatre. They will make a video of him
37:56
being captured. We brought justice.
38:00
But the real issue is they will eliminate him because they will
38:04
bring someone else in his position.
38:07
And I hear those are my sources. I could be wrong, that they're
38:11
preparing someone in the United States who is a Christian
38:14
Zionist to bring him to Damascus to replace him.
38:18
So this could be a record for the people to to see if this
38:22
happens in the future. OK Kevork, I just want to make
38:25
sure I'm following. OK.
38:26
So 1946 more or less would be the the start of independence.
38:34
It was the end of the French mandate and the defeat of the
38:38
Ottomans. And around 1970, Assad senior
38:42
took control. He became the president and
38:44
around 2000, Assad junior became president during the Assad
38:50
presidency. Because the West likes to say
38:52
regime. We always say regime when it
38:54
when it's a government they don't like the the mainstream
38:59
narrative is that Syria was very unstable and it was oppressive
39:03
and it was authoritarian and it was a horrible place to live.
39:06
You're saying the opposite, that it was stable and it was a good
39:10
safe place to live. With that in mind, the rise of
39:16
is Islamism is that, is that a word?
39:19
Islamism? I don't know if it's a word, but
39:21
let's use it. Is that related then to US
39:27
foreign interests and of course by extension Israeli foreign
39:31
interests to to destabilise the region?
39:36
So people may say Kevork is biassed.
39:41
He's not objective. Google him.
39:43
He, he's, Wikipedia says he's an Assadist, right?
39:48
OK, let's ask 7 million tourists who visited Syria in 2010 if
39:54
Syria was unstable and Syria was a chaotic place where people are
39:59
being beaten up in the streets, being sent to dungeons for
40:03
having an opinion. Or how can, how can 7 million
40:06
people risk themselves and come to Syria as visitors from all
40:13
around the world? This is 2010 Syria.
40:16
According to the Western pollings, was one of the safest
40:21
places in the world. It was the safest place in the
40:26
Middle East for people to come and visit.
40:29
And it was the richest place for culturally, historically, for
40:33
the people to come and visit the country.
40:35
I, I, I studied in Paris in 2010.
40:37
And with me, I brought a friend from France to visit Syria.
40:41
And she said, I believe you. I have never been to Syria.
40:46
In the press they would say don't go, but I will go with
40:48
you. And she came to Syria and
40:50
visited it for 15 days. And she was fascinated.
40:53
Now the rise of the Islamists, Islamism, right?
41:00
This is something that goes back to the to the Brits, not to the
41:04
Americans. The Brits, they're the ones who
41:07
created this Muslim Brotherhood movement in the region or helped
41:12
in the creation of the Muslim. Brotherhood.
41:14
Because in the 1920s, in the mid 1920s, when the Brits used to be
41:20
in the occupation in in Egypt, the people who fought against
41:26
the British occupation were the nationalists and the socialists.
41:30
So how do you find an A domestic rift and domestic enemy to the
41:36
nationalists and socialists? Who is the natural enemy of
41:42
nationalism and socialism in the region?
41:44
They are the Islamists. So they have they have helped
41:48
the creation of the Muslim bordered in Egypt by I will
41:54
remember his name now. And they have started this
41:59
movement from Egypt to divide and conquer the region.
42:04
Now the Americans are the successor of the British Empire,
42:08
and they have learned a lot from them.
42:10
And they have. They have just taken the script
42:13
and they applied it in different places, one of which is in
42:17
Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was the test for
42:22
this formula, and it worked. Hillary Clinton says this was an
42:26
amazing plan. We defeated the Soviet Union.
42:30
We sent thousands of banless jihadists from all around the
42:34
world, trained them, gave them the money.
42:37
We have a good ally like Saudi Arabia financing all this and
42:41
then we tasked Saudi Arabia to build what is called madrassas.
42:46
Madrassa in Arabic means schools.
42:48
School and madrassas are the plural of schools.
42:52
And Saudi Arabia built religious schools in Pakistan,
42:56
Afghanistan, Central Asia, Middle East, thousands of them.
43:01
What is the purpose of this? Religious schools is to
43:03
indoctrinate and radicalise the youth.
43:06
So this was not something like a misjudgement.
43:10
This was a deliberate policy to radicalise this the Muslim youth
43:15
through indoctrination, through petrodollar, which Saudi Arabia
43:19
played a major role after the Arab Spring.
43:22
It was Qatar who played the major role in the radicalization
43:26
of the people. So this is not something like
43:29
the Americans made a mistake in Afghanistan.
43:33
This was a deliberate policy, because if this was a mistake
43:38
and you consider it a mistake, you will not copy this script
43:41
again in Syria or in Afghanistan or in Chechnya or in Bosnia and
43:46
in different places around the world.
43:48
This is a useful strategy against the enemies of the
43:52
United States, turning this brainless, radicalised, young,
43:57
aggressive, angry at life people into ticking bombs against the
44:03
enemies of the United States. And this has been the case also
44:07
in Syria. We had 10s of thousands of
44:10
multinational terrorists coming to Syria to fight against who
44:15
they say the infidel Assad regime.
44:18
OK, what about Palestine, my friend?
44:23
Why don't they go also to Palestine if that is the case?
44:28
If Jerusalem is the fourth most important holy site in Islam,
44:35
why don't they go and liberate Jerusalem?
44:37
Why is it that Al Qaeda has never attacked Israel?
44:40
Why is it that ISIS never attacked Israel?
44:42
Why is it most of the victims are the people of the Levant and
44:46
not the Americans or the Israelis per SE?
44:51
And I'm not calling for attacks against them because if at any
44:55
historical juncture I find myself between only two powers,
45:00
ISIS and America, I will definitely find myself on the
45:04
side of America. I'm not going to be with with
45:06
ISIS. But what I'm saying is they are
45:09
moving ISIS on the chess board. And I, this reminds me of what
45:12
Professor Mikhail Hudson said in this case, he said Al Qaeda is
45:18
basically a contract army for the United States.
45:21
They founded it in Afghanistan and they moved it in into
45:26
different places to break status quo.
45:29
When there is a status quo that you don't like, you have to
45:31
break it. You need these chaotic and
45:33
terroristic elements to break the status quo so you can reform
45:36
a new reality or a new status quo which is more in favourable
45:39
to you. And this is the problem.
45:42
This is a huge problem. This problem is not like people
45:46
believe in Islam. The the problem is the Islamism
45:50
that you said, which is imposing your way of life and your
45:54
understanding of what Islam is on the rest of the people.
45:58
And this is where you will find me pushing against it.
46:01
And that's why they say I'm an, I'm an Islamophobe, I'm a
46:05
fascist. It's like, am I saying anything
46:08
wrong in this? If if Christians come, if the
46:12
Roman Empire comes to Syria and tells to the 70% of the people,
46:18
I will wipe, I will I will basically send you into
46:23
concentration camp, put you inside cages.
46:26
I will burn you woman. I will rape you woman.
46:28
I will take them as sex slaves. If you don't convert to
46:31
Christianity. Do you think we're going to do
46:34
this podcast and say that's amazing or we're going to push
46:38
against it? So today, when we speak today,
46:42
my friend, even the mainstream press say that 10's and 10s of
46:50
Alawite women are kidnapped by the Jolani thugs.
46:55
They are daily kidnappings of women in Syria for sex, slave
47:00
for slavery. This is worse than a jungle,
47:05
right? Like do you do?
47:07
Do do people understand the gravity of the issue?
47:09
Like a woman takes a taxi or a van and going to her school and
47:16
then take the woman and they call her parents and they mock
47:19
her, mock the her parents saying your woman is with us and you
47:23
will never see her again. And they rape her over and over
47:27
again. This jihadist come seven people,
47:32
eight people, nine people. This is the situation now in the
47:35
country. Is this really the freedom we
47:38
were promised? It is not.
47:40
And, and under both Assads was Syria the secular country.
47:46
So the definition of secularism in Europe and in the West is
47:51
different from what secularism means in Syria.
47:55
And nowadays secularism in the West is also, some people would
47:59
say, an indication that it is anti religion.
48:01
Like they're trying to destroy the church and they're trying to
48:04
destroy the church. They're trying to destroy
48:06
Christianity in the West. I can see it with my objective
48:09
eyes. Like I have nothing against the
48:12
people who are gays or lesbians at all.
48:15
Zero. I don't even care what people
48:17
believe in their sexual aspirations right?
48:21
Or what they want to do. As long as don't come to the
48:23
kids, I'm fine. You do it in private.
48:26
Don't come to the kids, leave the kids alone.
48:28
But when you see in the church, for example in Germany, the
48:32
priest is carrying the LGBT flag and walking with his people.
48:36
I would say this is not Christian right?
48:38
This is anti Christian anyways. In Syria, secularism meant that
48:45
every religious and sectarian group would have its rights to
48:51
practise its rituals without the state intervention into their
48:56
religious affairs. And this is the secularism which
49:00
existed under both Assad the father and Assad the son until
49:06
the last day. And it also meant one more
49:10
thing, which is the suppression of any group in Syria which
49:15
comes and tries to impose its religious views on the rest.
49:20
So this is something important. If you have, say, 2% or 3% or 5%
49:26
of Syrians believe that they have to convert all other people
49:32
into their own religion, then this is when the state used to
49:36
intervene to put them in their place.
49:39
That you practise yours, they practise theirs.
49:42
So this is the secular levelism which existed in Syria, which no
49:46
longer exists nowadays. Syria is now the opposite of
49:51
what it used to be in the past. And it's going to get worse.
49:56
Yeah, it is going to get worse because once you empty the
50:01
society, so you had like a 1520% Christians, you emptied them
50:06
from the country and now you're coming after the Alawites and
50:09
they're leaving the country en masse, going to Lebanon, they're
50:12
going to Europe. So you're emptying your country
50:15
anyways from it's the the real multiculturalism, not the
50:20
engineered multiculturalism, not the imposed multiculturalism on
50:23
the people. You are destroying that and
50:26
creating one state and one coloured state, something that
50:31
ironically the West says that we have to accept multiculturalism.
50:37
And even if you don't like multiculturalism, you must owe
50:42
you a fascist. And then in Syria they come.
50:45
They establish A1 coloured country.
50:48
Like the, the, the, the contradiction is, it angers me
50:54
because then you see someone like Annalina Beibok shake
50:56
trying to shake hands with Jolani, and Jolani doesn't even
50:59
give her his hand. Do you understand how absurd it
51:04
is for a minister to call herself a feminist and says, or
51:10
we used to say, because she's now out of government?
51:12
The same thing goes for Kayakalas and the rest of this,
51:15
sorry to say, clowns who say we're a feminist foreign policy.
51:20
We're there for feminism, we're there for women.
51:22
And then they go to Damascus, they give their hand to Jolani
51:25
and Jolan doesn't even shake hands with them and they say
51:31
everything is OK in Syria. We lift the sanctions, we give
51:34
them €200 million aid to govern themselves.
51:39
What is this? I mean, you, you tell me, what
51:41
is this? This is the beyond absurdity,
51:45
something that even I don't have a words in my dictionary to
51:48
describe. It's horrendous.
51:50
You, you, you kind of sideline this.
51:52
But what is the involvement of Israel or shall we say Zionism
51:57
in Syria? Actually, one of the main
52:01
considerations, one of the main reasons why the United States
52:07
initiated the regime change operation in Syria was for
52:11
Israel. the United States is how many thousand kilo, 10,000
52:16
kilometres away. How many thousand kilometres
52:18
away from Syria? There is no Syrian Army didn't
52:22
pose any threat to the United States.
52:24
In the contrary, Syria cooperated with the United
52:26
States in the war against terrorism, against Al Qaeda,
52:31
against this radicalism in the region.
52:34
But it was Israel, because Israel wanted for Syria to sign
52:40
the normalisation deal. And Syria, after Egypt was the
52:45
only Arab country in the region capable of keeping the Arabic
52:51
people in a position that they reject normalisation, they
52:55
reject the political entity of Israel.
52:58
So under both Hafiz and Bashar, they always called Israel a
53:05
Zionist entity, which means they don't recognise the legitimacy
53:10
of Israel as a as a political entity.
53:14
And they after Egypt left the Arab Israeli conflict, they
53:18
signed the accords, the Camp David accords.
53:21
Syria stayed alone in the Arabic country against Israel.
53:25
So Syria with limited resources, they cannot fight against Israel
53:30
which receives full backing of the United States.
53:33
So they coordinated with Iran to support and aid and train and
53:38
equip non state actors in the region to open small front lines
53:43
against Israel, to keep Israel in in in its borders.
53:48
Because Israel always had these expansionist aspirations in the
53:52
region to the extent that in 1982, Israeli soldiers were
53:58
drinking beer in Beirut, they were in Beirut.
54:01
So if you are in Beirut, 1 and half hour away, you're in
54:05
Damascus. How does that make you feel when
54:09
there is a country expanding in the region this way?
54:12
So you have they created these conflict zones against Israel to
54:17
kept keep them busy fighting against these non state actors.
54:21
And those non state actors they had also legitimate grievances
54:24
because their territories in Lebanon were occupied, entire
54:28
southern Lebanon to Beirut was occupied by Israel.
54:32
So Syria and Iran gave them weapons to fight against them
54:35
and they managed and succeeded to kick the Israeli occupation
54:39
forces out of Lebanon in the year 2000.
54:42
And the same goes to Palestine and many of the weapons that
54:47
nowadays the, the pro Palestine camp are proud of, they came
54:52
either from Syria or passed through Syria, right.
54:57
So this, this is the, this was the situation that Israel saw
55:01
that they have to solve it because they will create one
55:05
state only for the Israelis. There is no two state solution.
55:11
And they want to have the freedom of action in the region,
55:14
which is Syria is a major obstacle and the supporter of
55:17
these resistance groups. That's why they wanted to knock
55:21
out Assad and not for its authoritarianism or democracy of
55:24
human or BS. You know it my friend.
55:27
So they came after him. They removed him from power.
55:29
And what's the result now? Palestine is gone.
55:33
Anyone who thinks there is going to be Palestine under such
55:36
circumstances is delusional. Greater Israel.
55:41
Israel now exists also in southern Lebanon and Hezbollah
55:46
doesn't push them back because they don't have supply chains
55:50
with Syria and they're cut off from the Iran and Iraq.
55:54
So they lost the strategic depth.
55:56
They're isolated. The same goes for for
55:59
Palestinian armed factions. And now Israel can fly its
56:03
fighter jets all the way to the borders on the on the Syrian
56:07
airspace, something that was unimaginable under Assad since
56:11
2018. Last time Israel tried to
56:13
penetrate the Syrian airspace, the civilian army shut it down
56:18
an F16. And since then, Israel never
56:21
penetrated the civilian airspace.
56:23
Now the civilian airspace is like it's open for Israel.
56:27
They fly every day. They go all the way to the
56:30
borders with Iraq. They go from Syria to northern
56:34
Iraq to the Kurdistan Region, and they bomb inside Iran.
56:39
They have won this war. Israel won this war. the United
56:43
States won this strategic conflict in the region.
56:48
In the future, there could be a pushback, there could be a
56:50
resistance. It's always possible and it will
56:53
be. But now I'm saying as we speak
56:56
now they have emerged victorious, we have to accept
56:59
this reality. Otherwise, if you say no, we
57:04
emerged victorious and they lost, means you don't have to do
57:08
anything about it if you don't accept the defeat, right?
57:11
Because if you don't accept the defeat, you don't work for
57:13
victory in the future. So the Syrians have lost, the
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Lebanese have lost, the Palestinians have lost.
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In this. Iranians, they have preserved
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their territorial integrity, their sovereignty, their nuclear
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enrichment, but they have lost their allies big time.
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So there is no longer axis of resistance in the region.
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There is Iran, there is Yemen. Those are very far away,
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separate powers. They coordinate with each other,
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but there is no longer strategic depth represented by Syria.
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There is no longer Hezbollah as a regional power, basically
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posing a serious threat against Israel because they don't have
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an access now to weapon markets. And the same goes for the
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Palestinians. You're watching the footage
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coming from Gaza. They're killing Palestinians now
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as a sport, for fun. There is no need to kill
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malnutrition, the the the the poor and hungry kids going to
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collect food. But they can do it because they
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can, because they can and nobody cares and nobody will bring them
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to justice. But before you had you had an
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axis trying to counter this. They made huge mistakes.
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I don't want to get into so much details and I criticised them
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enough in the past weeks for really adopting this, what they
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call the strategic patients, sorry, strategic patients LED
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into the crumbling of the axis of resistance or what used to be
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called. I also noticed that it wasn't
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really in axis because they didn't really act as a organic
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one body, but rather they had differences among them.
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Iran wanted to lead from the back and not from the front.
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And many actors in this axis of resistance were upset by that.
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If you're the leader of the axis, just like the United
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States is the leader of that axis.
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United States leads doesn't come in the background.
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United States leads, but Iran didn't lead.
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It wanted to lead from the back and wanted for the other actors
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to carry out the hostilities. And this was a major, huge
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mistake which I think. Killed.
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Let's say this axis for now. How can I follow your work?
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First of all, thank you so much my friend for having me on the
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show. I'm posting daily live
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streamings between Monday to Friday. 11 AM is an American
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time, 5:00 PM Central European time on my YouTube channel and
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Rumble Syriana Analysis. That's the only two places I
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post and my personal X account is Kevo Calmasi and my personal
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name by shorter video, shorter commentaries, etcetera.
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And before I say goodbye, I'm going to insist that you come
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and stay with me in South Africa in the near future.
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I will definitely do that. I would be more than happy to do
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that. All right, Kawalka Mohsen, thank
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you for joining me in the trenches.