Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #367 - For Azeroth!: “Serenity Now”
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- 0:00And I mean, Miss Sugar I think is not not stranger to these
- 0:04things happening where things start off really bad.
- 0:06Victory for the Forsaken for Lauderon, for the Kieran Tour,
- 0:13for Pandaria for Calendar to the Burning Region for Gilneus or
- 0:23Has not Died for the Lynch King for the.
- 0:28Sindori for the Alliance for the.
- 0:32Horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another
- 0:38episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Benny,
- 0:42and I am joined by a very special guest, the Master of the
- 0:46Mist, the Weaver of all things healing.
- 0:49We have Swirl, Swirl. How are you?
- 0:52Hello, I'm doing well. How are you?
- 0:54I'm doing OK. I'm doing OK.
- 0:57For those of us that may not be familiar with your gifts, can
- 1:01you tell us a little bit about yourself?
- 1:03Yeah, sure. I am a Miss Weaver.
- 1:06I'm a healer through and through.
- 1:09I've been playing this game for so much of my life.
- 1:13I started when I was a little kid just playing around with
- 1:16Cataclysm. I was a tank at first really
- 1:19funnily enough, but then picked up rest of Druid.
- 1:23Mop came around. Miss Uber was the most fun spec
- 1:27to play. So I started playing it back
- 1:29then and on and off throughout the years.
- 1:32You know as I got into college and had real life person person
- 1:36things to do. Had to do that but just came
- 1:39back to it kind of when had some more time and have been playing
- 1:43ever since. It's been been a really fun
- 1:46journey with the spec to say the least.
- 1:49Well, I'm glad that you have had a fun journey with the spec and
- 1:53the spec itself has had a bit of a journey.
- 1:57I've played it on well, I've had it as an alt on and off
- 2:02throughout its time. I jumped in in Mr. Pandaria when
- 2:06it was the new hotness. I don't want to say the new
- 2:09hotness because even in its debut there were some wrinkles
- 2:14and then Blizzard decided that they weren't going to do fist
- 2:17weaving. And now fist weaving is like the
- 2:19new hotness. So Miss Weaver itself is is had
- 2:25its own journey in terms of the war within.
- 2:31How has Miss Weaver fared fared with these new hero talents and
- 2:37throughout this expansion in the three tiers that we've had?
- 2:41Yeah, I think All in all, I think hero talents for mystery
- 2:45were pretty successful. I mean, I I don't know if this
- 2:49was Blizzard's way to do it, but mystery were definitely had a
- 2:53pretty clear split between its its hero talents, kind of one
- 2:56for raid, one for M plus. You know, we had condo the
- 2:59celestials for raid pretty much exclusively and then almost
- 3:03exclusively master of Harmony for M plus, just kind of due to
- 3:07the things that it did. Conduit of the celestials is
- 3:09super good and at being very scalable.
- 3:12I'll say, you know, we gained Cdr through heart of the jade
- 3:15serpent just while having all of that.
- 3:18And it works really well because renewing mist is something that
- 3:21we heal through in raid and we just kind of have it going at
- 3:24all times. So for us to be able to
- 3:25capitalize off of that has been really good.
- 3:28Doesn't work that great in M Plus just due to the way that
- 3:31Miss Fever had fared with HE lamps.
- 3:34If anybody's ever played Miss Fever, they know that he lamps
- 3:37are super duper relevant just across the entire spec, which is
- 3:41actually being removed in midnight that I'm very excited
- 3:43about. But those HE lamps worked really
- 3:46well for M Plus, which was kind of the basis of the tree of
- 3:49Master of Harmony. Allow us to do a boatload of
- 3:53damage and then also just supplement that with really,
- 3:56really strong healing and kind of play around with both damage
- 3:59and healing as a resource through this kind of pseudo
- 4:03resource called vitality that just builds and spends as we're
- 4:07playing the game essentially. So yeah, I mean, All in all, I
- 4:12think it was pretty good. It's definitely here to stay.
- 4:14I mean, our tier sets have been pretty good through this past
- 4:17season as well that they got implemented, implemented onto
- 4:20it. So yeah, I think pretty good for
- 4:24hero talents. I mean, you mentioned this last
- 4:28tier and the tier set, which seems to be such a hit, so much
- 4:32so that as far as I'm aware it got put into the hero talents
- 4:37for Midnight. Is that the case?
- 4:39Yeah, it got a little bit of a rework with the Heart of the
- 4:43Jade Serpent stuff with the Cdr that had additional benefits on
- 4:47it of Thunderfocus Tea procking it.
- 4:49So just something that we do like every 30 seconds.
- 4:51Anyways, that was changed away from, you know, one source where
- 4:55we would cast Shalin's Gift and it changes via the stack count
- 4:59that we have this spell away from, you know, that kind of
- 5:02buff tracking mentality that that midnight is trying to get
- 5:06away from just to get it to Thunder focus T we gain a bunch
- 5:09of haste with it. That's always like multiplied by
- 5:12our haste bonuses that we currently have.
- 5:14And yeah, I mean, those are really good for the master of
- 5:19harmony tier set. It is definitely in a lowered
- 5:22state than it was on live on live is it?
- 5:24It was a bit oppressive with the way that it worked, just the way
- 5:28that you gained so many stacks of this buff called harmonic
- 5:32surge and you really couldn't use them that much.
- 5:35It didn't do enough healing to cover a lot of damage events,
- 5:38but when you stacked every single multiplier that you had,
- 5:41it does just enough for you. And it worked really well.
- 5:44I mean for for people doing lower keys, it was just kind of
- 5:48a spam tiger palm situation, which isn't super fun.
- 5:52I I did not love that play style, but just in a reduced
- 5:56state kind of added to our our new tree.
- 6:01OK, well, I mean you've mentioned a number of things
- 6:03that I think have been the target for pruning in midnight.
- 6:07So let's talk about that that and the pruning that well, I say
- 6:12pruning. I just said in the pre show that
- 6:13I don't like that term and here I am using it.
- 6:15But the streamlining. So things like those, those
- 6:19healing ramps, things like the stacking of of buffs to get
- 6:25something effective. How has Miss Weaver interfered
- 6:28in terms of the reworks and the massive shifts that people will
- 6:33start to see this coming week? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a
- 6:39lot. Masura has received quite a bit
- 6:41of changes going into midnight. There's there's a lot of really
- 6:45relevant ones. I mean, like I mentioned that HE
- 6:47lamps have been removed. We had, oh God, we had so many
- 6:51sources of HE lamps attached to it.
- 6:53We had enveloping mist, we had a 20% that could be buffed to 40%
- 6:58or sorry, 30 to 40%. We had Qi Harmony that was a 25
- 7:03that was nerfed down from 50%. Lotus and Fusion brought 12%.
- 7:08We had menning proliferation which just replicated your
- 7:13enveloping mist HE lamps. So that basically 40% on to
- 7:17anybody. The Master of Harmony tree had a
- 7:2020% heel amp attached to it. I'm probably missing a couple
- 7:23others, but I mean, there was a lot.
- 7:26Yeah, exactly. I'm like looking at my fingers
- 7:28trying to count them all. But yeah, I mean, all of those
- 7:32are kind of gone, which is a really good change.
- 7:34I mean, one thing that was a really major point of concern
- 7:38was, you know, trying to teach people the spec and telling
- 7:40them, you know, how the spec plays.
- 7:41And it's like, OK, I have to apply all these heal amps in
- 7:45order to do good healing. When do I have the time to do
- 7:48this? What does my ramp look like?
- 7:49And as a melee healer, those things are kind of difficult of
- 7:53this balance between casting and, and pressing melee
- 7:55abilities, which is a really common misconception that people
- 7:58have with Miss Weaver, that it's like 1 or the other.
- 8:00But it's not like we, we try and take fist weaving as a term away
- 8:06now because it's not that right. Super reductive of, of a play
- 8:09style that once was 10 years ago.
- 8:12And it's just not really what happens anymore.
- 8:15And it's just Miss Weaver, right?
- 8:16It's it's no longer one way or the other.
- 8:19But that like casting time, you know, it's, it's definitely a
- 8:23bit hard. And melee is seen as like this
- 8:26quick movement action. There's a bunch of things
- 8:28happening in melee that you can move around frontal swirlies
- 8:32like those things. And range doesn't really have
- 8:34those types of things going on back there where you have to
- 8:38move out constantly. So, you know, timing those
- 8:41spells is really important. And thankfully those things are
- 8:44kind of gone now, which I'm super excited about.
- 8:47I think that it's still gonna be relevant in like let's say the
- 8:50Super highest of keys because you really need that very strong
- 8:54output at some case. But a lot of it has been been
- 8:58super reduced. And I mean, just in terms of
- 9:03things that are going on, there's, there's so many
- 9:04multipliers, which is kind of a heel lamp in and of itself.
- 9:07That has also been reduced. We had one called Invoker's
- 9:11Delight that just gave us 20% haste whenever we called our or
- 9:15invoked our Celestial. So more so a raid thing because
- 9:19of the talents and kind of how we could have gotten talents
- 9:22that way, but that's being removed.
- 9:25Shaho's lessons, which I personally love, I wish was not
- 9:28being removed. But it's kind of like the
- 9:30cyclical buffing of just gaining a buff that does something for a
- 9:35certain amount of time. And it's really fun.
- 9:38I think it was really fun to play around choosing the right
- 9:40one. You know, you either got haste
- 9:41or crit or you doubled the amount of healing that you did
- 9:45to somebody at a lower HP percentage.
- 9:49But that kind of stacking of buffs is now gone.
- 9:52So the gameplay is definitely a bit more streamlined.
- 9:55I don't know if it was a good cost to it because our spells
- 9:58are not really doing what they need to be doing at the moment.
- 10:02A little worried for For Midnight, Miss Weaver, but yeah,
- 10:07All in all, I think the changes have been fairly good.
- 10:09Some better than others, but mostly pretty good.
- 10:14I mean, we, we got to go into that.
- 10:16So with the new reality of damage in midnight, we're
- 10:22dealing with like less burst damage.
- 10:23The damage of rot has been picked up, and so is that
- 10:30challenging for Miss Weaver? Is that more in the current or
- 10:35rather the upcoming midnight changes wheelhouse where you
- 10:39know you're going to get the renewing miss, you're going to
- 10:41be able to like keep people healthier through rot damage, or
- 10:46how bad is it that the healing's falling behind in your eyes?
- 10:50Yeah, I think, I mean, I'll be honest that like reduction of
- 10:54burst healing, I haven't really seen all too much like I'm I I
- 10:58haven't really done super many keys, but at the moment, but
- 11:02just the ones that I've played, I mean, there's still so much
- 11:05burst and dungeons that it does not feel great to heal at times
- 11:09without the tools available that give me that burst healing.
- 11:14I think that in raid also, like I, I have done the testing and
- 11:20I, I don't see a difference. Maybe it's just because I'm, you
- 11:23know, learning the encounter and I'm not really paying attention
- 11:26to the damage patterns there, but I don't really see a major
- 11:29difference in the way that healing is.
- 11:30You know, you press your cooldown, you heal during your
- 11:32cooldowns and things are normally fine.
- 11:36Maybe a little bit of that kind of ticking damage and rot
- 11:38damage. I I don't really foresee it
- 11:40being a super big issue for miss Weaver.
- 11:42I think we are definitely one of the better healers for rot, kind
- 11:46of maybe not as good as resto druid.
- 11:49They are like the king of rot healing, as you can see with
- 11:52like Mdis where, you know, we have this really big rot boss
- 11:56from, I forget her name, but from halls of infusion, that ice
- 11:59boss or candle king that we just recently had.
- 12:03I mean, Dark flame Cleft and I mean resto druid is insane at
- 12:07those. And mystery falls behind a
- 12:10little bit on it simply for the fact that we are melee.
- 12:13Sometimes, you know, we lose melee up time and we lose a lot
- 12:18of healing because of that. I don't really see that being
- 12:21too, too big of an issue, but we've gotten some supporting
- 12:25talents with renewing Myths, which is pretty cool.
- 12:28We got one recently, which is a bit silly of a talent, but it's
- 12:32a a the renewing Mist that's on your lowest health party member
- 12:37heals for an extra 500% on them. A bunch of talents that increase
- 12:42the healing of renewing mist. So hot wise, yeah, I definitely
- 12:47think that, you know, those things are pretty good with the
- 12:50enveloping mist nerf as well with the the the reduction of
- 12:53its heel amp. Now it's just a 20% amp that
- 12:56Hots healing has been increased by I think it was like 160% or
- 13:01something. So Hots are super duper relevant
- 13:04and I think that it'll be really no major struggle.
- 13:09OK, I, I mean, you're talking about the different talents.
- 13:13One one thing that is there is that you're able to, I believe,
- 13:17cast miss as you're moving, but you get slowed down.
- 13:20Now movement has been something I've seen a lot in the raids.
- 13:27How is Miss Weaver handling movement with like the new setup
- 13:31in midnight? Is it a is it a struggle or is
- 13:34it something that Miss Weaver can, you know, roll with the
- 13:37punches? Sorry about that joke.
- 13:39Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think it'll definitely help a lot
- 13:43because one of the major concerns was like that Miss
- 13:46Reaver. So, you know, as I said, like
- 13:49it's a melee spec, so trying to stay in melee while things are
- 13:52going on and trying to get those casts off are very hard.
- 13:55I I don't see it as like a major boon because, you know, maybe in
- 14:00raid where we're casting a lot of vivifies as our main cast,
- 14:03but NM plus there's a lot more than just kind of that vivify or
- 14:07I guess now being replaced by Shaylin's gift whenever we're
- 14:11talented into it. So just those two things are
- 14:14pretty good. But you know, that doesn't stop
- 14:16anything else. We have to get our like
- 14:18maintenance buffs out. You know, renewing mist breaks
- 14:21it. We have rising sun kick, which
- 14:23breaks it. Rushing wind kick, same thing
- 14:25breaks it pretty much anything else that we have to do outside
- 14:29of vivify. Enveloping Mist and a life
- 14:31cocoon, which for some reason is not on the tool tip anymore, but
- 14:35it is something that does not break the soothing mist channel.
- 14:37So allowing us to do that in raid is really good because
- 14:40that's our main ones and plus not so much.
- 14:42I don't really see it as a major benefit, but movement, I think
- 14:47in general Misreaver has been pretty good with in the first
- 14:49place. In Raid, you know, we have
- 14:51instant cast basically all the time as you're moving through
- 14:55things like you press rushing Wind Kick and then you have an
- 14:58instant Vivify. So you get a few of those lined
- 15:01up and prepared for that movement and it makes things
- 15:05fairly smooth. It's not like Spirit Walker's
- 15:08Grace or, you know, getting spatial from an Evoker that you
- 15:12can't really get anymore because they take Time Spiral and Raid,
- 15:15but still super possible. I don't.
- 15:18I don't really see a big, big bad thing for Miss Weaver there.
- 15:22OK, comparing Miss Weaver raid healing versus mythic plus, and
- 15:28I know you haven't had much mythic plus on on the dungeon,
- 15:30but just from like where the balance is right now are are
- 15:35Miss Weavers scaling well in five man content versus the ten
- 15:4020-30 people that you can have it in a raid?
- 15:43Yeah, I think that I mean, Miss Weaver does pretty good in five
- 15:47man content with the the talents that we have.
- 15:50There's a few outlying bugs that just make it not super great at
- 15:53the moment in both sets of like raid and M Plus, but like
- 15:58Ancient Teachings, for example, it heals a maximum of five
- 16:02players and then splits that healing up between those
- 16:04players, you know, whoever is actually injured.
- 16:07So if one person is not injured, then it splits into four and
- 16:11then it keeps going down. So it's really scalable that
- 16:13way. It helps a lot just getting that
- 16:16like maintenance healing out as opposed to casting on somebody
- 16:20at all times. Like, you know, some healers
- 16:23need to cast off, let's say, a regrowth on somebody that's
- 16:25taking damage when you could just press a Rising Sun kick and
- 16:28it will heal that one person for a fairly large amount.
- 16:32But I think they're fine. There's a lot of concerns about
- 16:36like Life Cocoon, for example. It's always been a major concern
- 16:40for Miss Weaver just with tanks in particular, damage reduction
- 16:45on a tank is just so invaluable and for us to have a really,
- 16:50really minor one at 6%, just a channel soothing mist on to them
- 16:53when again back to the everything breaks the soothing
- 16:56mist. Sometimes you can't even cast it
- 16:58on these like shout scenarios, you know, like when talking
- 17:03about Priory, for example, one of the Knights does their shout
- 17:06or scream and you have to stop your channel in order to to get
- 17:10it off. Otherwise you get silence for 10
- 17:11seconds. But you need this damage
- 17:13reduction on whoever it is. So it's kind of like that weird
- 17:17quirk of Miss Weaver that you have to do something extra that
- 17:20somebody else does for free. It's it's very odd.
- 17:25But I think All in all, I mean, I think it works pretty well.
- 17:28Just needs a bit of bit of tuning on the positive side.
- 17:31OK, further down that line, outside of the shame bubble is
- 17:37what we call it with Migrant. What are the external situations
- 17:44for Miss Weaver? Like what?
- 17:47What kind of effort can you give to that that tank before they
- 17:50take the big hit or the person who you know is going to stand
- 17:53in the goo? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's
- 17:56basically just like Cocoon, which is a really, really good
- 17:59external for ADPS, right? Because the, the lower amount of
- 18:03damage you take, the better an absorb is, right?
- 18:07So if somebody takes, you know, even their entire health bar,
- 18:10I'll go with, you know, like health that is in midnight,
- 18:13let's say 450K, right? Or 500K just to make it easy.
- 18:17If they take a 500K hit with an absorb on them, that is a 500K
- 18:22absorb. They take nothing, right?
- 18:23They take no damage at all, whereas with damage reduction,
- 18:26you have to go pretty high of damage reduced in order to not
- 18:30take any damage for that. But as you scale up in the
- 18:34amount of damage that you've taken, which a tank is a really
- 18:36good example, that they're constantly taking really, really
- 18:39big hits of damage. The absorb works well until a
- 18:42certain point, so you can save them off of a really big hit,
- 18:46but after that you don't really have very much.
- 18:49You can channel soothing mist into them, you can continuously
- 18:52cast a bunch of vivifies into them and try and keep them
- 18:55alive. But I mean, it's really no
- 18:57comparison to that damage reduction when, you know,
- 19:02they're taking a million hits from a bunch of little smallies
- 19:06and one of them breaks it after a second, which is not, you
- 19:10know, not fake. It's happened so many times.
- 19:13I'll put life cocoon on a tank and it will just die
- 19:17immediately. And then I just kind of have to
- 19:19hope and pray that I can keep them alive off of these crazy
- 19:23hits that they have no defensive for.
- 19:25I mean, we do have like our chi cocoons which happen whenever we
- 19:29invoke our Celestial. But again, another weird part of
- 19:34utility that other healers don't really have to deal with.
- 19:37Like I have to use my major cooldown in order to give my
- 19:40group some form of quote UN quote damage reduction with
- 19:43these absorbs. And then it does nothing for a
- 19:47tank, right? It's like 6% of your HP or
- 19:50something like that. It's nothing to to sit proudly
- 19:53about. Paint cooldowns seeming to have
- 19:59been a sore spot for a long time, but like being able to
- 20:02like quickly bounce a raid team back has always been something
- 20:07that when I've come across Miss Weavers and raids has been a
- 20:10shining point. What would you say the niche for
- 20:15Miss Weavers are right now? Or do you feel like Miss Weavers
- 20:19are being outshined in the niche that they should have?
- 20:21Where? What's the situation currently
- 20:23with midnight balancing? Yeah, you know, it's, it's
- 20:26funny, I, I talked to Megaset, who's a a really awesome content
- 20:30creator for Miss Weaver, does a lot of dungeon stuff, is our
- 20:34best content creator. She's great.
- 20:35We were just kind of talking very briefly and I was like,
- 20:38what do you think Monk is about now?
- 20:42Like looking at it from what we've lost, we've lost all of
- 20:46our he lamps, which makes us like not very different from
- 20:51anybody else anymore where we don't have this extra thing that
- 20:54we do. You know, Misweaver is known as
- 20:57a, a throughput healer in, in modern Wow, I guess, like
- 21:01there's a damage reduction healer, there's a single target
- 21:04healer, there's a healer that can, you know, top the raid
- 21:07every 30 seconds like Evoker does.
- 21:10And I, I, I don't think Misweaver has anything anymore,
- 21:13honestly. You know, first for a throughput
- 21:16healer that doesn't bring much to the raid, right?
- 21:19We don't have power infusion. We don't bring like this crazy
- 21:22raid buff. We just don't really do good
- 21:26healing as as a result, you know, we've seen in the war
- 21:31within Evoker has been insane at their healing and they're this
- 21:36throughput healer, but now they're also receiving like
- 21:39group wide damage reduction at like 16% group wide, you know,
- 21:44damage reduction at a maximum and then some spread across
- 21:48raid. I don't know the specifics so
- 21:49please don't bash me if I'm wrong on that, but something
- 21:52around there. It's fine.
- 21:56So kind of seeing that it's like, where is Mist Weaver?
- 21:59Where does it stand now? I, I really don't think it does.
- 22:03It just kind of exists there and is at the mercy of our
- 22:07throughput, right? We kind of have to go into this,
- 22:10is Brewmaster good? Is Wind Walker good?
- 22:12If neither of them are good, then Miss Weaver is the only
- 22:15choice that can happen. But Miss Weaver is not at the
- 22:18forefront of that decision almost ever unless our
- 22:21throughput is so insane like we saw in a mere Dracil, right?
- 22:26And a mere Dracil in Dragonflight.
- 22:27Miss Weaver is really, really good because of the healing that
- 22:30we did specifically. Like on the end boss for
- 22:33example, right? We had to single target heal a
- 22:36tree that had to be healed in like 10 seconds.
- 22:40And Mystery did really good. We had a lot of supporting
- 22:42talents there that increased our vivifies as we were single
- 22:44target healing this tree and only got better as we were
- 22:48healing more within like 1 channel of soothing mist.
- 22:52So it allowed us to have that really good niche of the single
- 22:55target healing, but it kind of fell off after that.
- 23:00And then afterwards, it was like we had a good bit of, you know,
- 23:03these really medium lows, I should say, right?
- 23:07You know, instead of all of our healing falling off, whenever
- 23:10we're kind of going through this, we just kind of stagnate,
- 23:13right? We have these renewing mist that
- 23:15are blanketed across our raid and then we can increase them at
- 23:19some points to like 200% of their original healing and then
- 23:24have these fairly big burst windows whenever we press our
- 23:27cooldown. And with all of these he lamps
- 23:30that are gone, with all those multipliers that are gone, our
- 23:32cooldown is just kind of there doesn't really do much, you
- 23:36know, the cooldown of itself, the, the absorbs do more than
- 23:39what the actual cooldown does, which is so bad.
- 23:42I mean, it's no interaction with what the gameplay is like.
- 23:45So yeah, I, I don't know where our Nisha's at anymore.
- 23:49It's just kind of healing if it's good, yeah.
- 23:54OK, I mean, I would not want any spec to be reliant on the on
- 24:03their other specs not having a place.
- 24:05So you're just like, oh, where can I fit this rain buff?
- 24:07I guess I take the the miss Weaver.
- 24:11So what would you think should have What, what do you think
- 24:18should happen in order to give a proper healing identity to Miss
- 24:24Weaver? What the What's the shortest
- 24:26route to a successful healing identity that you can see?
- 24:31Yeah, I mean, shortest route, the easiest 1 is just to make us
- 24:35what Preservation of Ochre was, right?
- 24:37You had this really, really strong, very bursty healer that
- 24:41was strong every like incredibly strong every minute and 30 right
- 24:46that they just got to do these bombs of healing onto the raid.
- 24:50It was super relevant in like nerbar palace and it's obviously
- 24:53been nerfed and now removed because it was so oppressive.
- 24:57So that would be like the quickest and easiest and
- 25:00dirtiest way to do it in order for us to get kind of that niche
- 25:05and identity back. I mean, I don't know, I feel
- 25:08like all the bases are covered, right?
- 25:10I'm we have disciplined priest that has kind of what that
- 25:15preservation Evoker was like that they're a little bit at the
- 25:17mercy of their cooldowns where, you know, every minute and 30
- 25:21they just kind of do this really big amount of healing and then
- 25:24they die down towards the end. You kind of have rested druid
- 25:27that has really solid spread out healing, which now I think they
- 25:31have a really major burst presence to their healing with
- 25:34like regrowths that are just bursting the raid that they kind
- 25:37of sort of stole from us with a regrowth affecting every single
- 25:41rejuve across the raid, which is just invigorating mists.
- 25:44It's vivify. It's basically the same thing.
- 25:47You know, you have H Paladin that is pretty good at like
- 25:50moderate healing across the raid that has been fairly well known
- 25:53for its single target healing and this kind of like topping
- 25:57somebody very quickly type healing.
- 26:01So it's hard for me to choose a place where things can go for
- 26:05Miss Weaver because it's always been that, like lone child out
- 26:09pretty much since its introduction.
- 26:15Yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure.
- 26:17OK, all right. Swapping it up a little bit, we
- 26:24have seen the Miss Weaver buff get buffed itself and then
- 26:32reverted back. Do you feel that Misweavers,
- 26:37like we already talked about, of course, Externals.
- 26:41Do you feel like the Mystic Touch buff is doing enough in
- 26:45its current form? Do you feel that that should be
- 26:49something that gets addressed so that it doesn't feel left off?
- 26:53I know anybody who is playing playing the last spec without a
- 26:58proper raid buff or DK sport one out for them is yelling at me
- 27:03because it's they don't have one but miss Weaver.
- 27:06Do you think that buff needs to needs to be improved?
- 27:10Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I will swap with DK.
- 27:14If I was given the choice right now, I would gladly take a grip
- 27:18over what Mystic Touches. I mean, and a few of the other
- 27:24things that DK has going for it, like they're immortal, they have
- 27:27this awesome raid buff that like produces damage.
- 27:30They don't have to take damage. It's great.
- 27:33A lot of things going for it. But yeah, I mean, Mystic Touch
- 27:36lives in a really weird state right now.
- 27:38I was actually just kind of doing a deep dive into to
- 27:42seeing, you know, how many specs are actually dealing physical
- 27:45damage, right? Because the buff only effects
- 27:48physical damage. And you know, Demon Hunter has
- 27:52the opposite of ours that theirs effects all magical damage.
- 27:55But when you really take a look at the specs that are dealing
- 27:58physical damage, there's only two that are doing 100% physical
- 28:04damage, which is warrior Pot Warrior is like 95% physical
- 28:09damage. But yeah, I mean, those specs
- 28:11are doing mostly all physical and then it slowly weans down
- 28:16like you have actually, sorry, Ferrell Druid is also doing
- 28:20almost 100% physical damage. And then it goes down from there
- 28:24like rogue that you would think these, you know, melees that are
- 28:28attacking with their daggers are doing physical damage.
- 28:31It's not it's like 1 spec is doing 45% Fizz and another spec
- 28:36is doing, you know, 60 or something like that.
- 28:38So while those specs are really good that they take most like
- 28:42benefit from it. Also Hunter is a good one.
- 28:45I think it's like 80% of their damage is physical, something
- 28:47like that. I don't have everything in front
- 28:50of me to tell you, but somewhere around there.
- 28:53So those specs are you know, that's awesome that Miss Sugar
- 28:56can kind of synergize with that. But it's also really unfortunate
- 29:02because Miss Sugar can't synergize with anything else.
- 29:05You know, you have the state of when you really can only compare
- 29:09with other healers, right? Healers are the only thing you
- 29:12can kind of sort of compare with because that's what you're
- 29:14fighting for. You're fighting for that healer
- 29:16spot. When you look at everything that
- 29:17everybody else brings, with the exception of preservation of
- 29:20Ochre, though, I would say that Time Spiral is super duper good,
- 29:25especially in a raid format. Obviously dies a bit and M plus
- 29:29kind of has a similar vein to us, but they also have blood
- 29:32lust and you know this bleed dispel that they have.
- 29:36So not just necessarily about their raid buff, but the other
- 29:39things that it brings. It leaves mystery in a spot of
- 29:43OK, I don't bring damage reduction like devotion aura
- 29:46does. I don't bring mark of the wild,
- 29:48which versatility effects every single person you know their
- 29:52healing and their damage with priest.
- 29:56They bring Fort, so they raise stamina with I mean, that's both
- 30:01priests, right? You have shaman that just got
- 30:04this insane raid buff. That is probably the best raid
- 30:08buff ever that they've ever created.
- 30:11And it's kind of unfair, right? We we we only affect a super
- 30:14small subset. Yeah, it's great.
- 30:17Everybody looks out for it. I wish that I had it, but I
- 30:22think actually if you look at the benefits of misrevers raid
- 30:26buff compared to shamans, even on the specs that are fully
- 30:30doing physical damage, shamans still wins out and they bring
- 30:34bloodlust and they bring spirit link and some damage reduction.
- 30:38So much like so many tools around their tool kit that just
- 30:42like outshine anything that Misreur brings, that it's in a
- 30:47weird spot, right? And that's kind of what I
- 30:49mentioned before, that Mystic Touch is going to be brought to
- 30:51a raid. There's been times where they've
- 30:54decided to not bring a monk into a raid because of the way that
- 30:58the raid works with that specific boss that it's really
- 31:00bad for melee, for example, right?
- 31:02The less melee that you have that can actually benefit from
- 31:05it, the less that you need the Mystic Touch buff.
- 31:08Whereas versatility effects every single person.
- 31:12I do think that, you know, the buff that they did to it and the
- 31:15subsequent nerf was needed. In a sense.
- 31:19I I kind of understand it because that just makes that
- 31:22synergy even stronger where it's like I have to play with the
- 31:25speck in order to do decent. I don't know if it was the worst
- 31:31thing to happen because it was gonna happen anyways, right?
- 31:34You have to play with the speck to do good.
- 31:35Now I just have to have to play with the speck.
- 31:38I don't know, but ultimately I would like to see it changed.
- 31:43I mean, I, I don't see a reason why it can't be Same with like
- 31:46Demon Hunter, even though they buff literally everybody else
- 31:51because it's just magical damage.
- 31:53You know, chaos, which is literally every single magic
- 31:55school. And when you look at every
- 31:57caster, I mean, it's all magical damage.
- 31:59You look at Rhett Paladin, which is doing 7% physical damage, 7%
- 32:04on a melee. It's insane.
- 32:07So those things are just kind of kind of weird and I wish would
- 32:11change absolutely. OK, if we're then taking that
- 32:20from the raid and trying to fight for that raid slot, it's
- 32:25even worse when you're in a five man.
- 32:26We're talking about specific setups for a Mythic Plus group,
- 32:32and you're talking about Brett Paladin's only doing such a
- 32:35small single digit percentage and and that does that mean that
- 32:43Mystic Touch really isn't going to be benefiting most of the
- 32:48groups that you might pug with? And does that mean that if
- 32:51you're bringing a Miss Weaver, you're looking for a very
- 32:54particular comp in Mythic Plus? Yeah, I think so.
- 32:58I mean, I don't think that that's like something that you
- 33:02have to super duper worry about, but synergy in M is always super
- 33:06good, right? You want to have some form of
- 33:09synergy within your group because if you don't, then it's
- 33:12kind of like, what's the point, right?
- 33:14I could have just brought, you know, this shaman that's gonna
- 33:18affect everybody in my group and not just, you know, the fury
- 33:21warrior that's in my group. And then everybody else doesn't
- 33:24get any benefit. Now, this obviously is not to
- 33:27say like this is a requirement, right?
- 33:29Unfortunately, meta has always kind of come down from the top
- 33:32to the bottom. So it will eventually affect
- 33:35everyone, but it shouldn't, right?
- 33:38If you're doing a weekly plus 10, that does not matter to
- 33:40anybody. Even, you know, non world first
- 33:43keys. It does not matter to anybody
- 33:45really. It does add up for sure.
- 33:48But yeah, I mean, it makes it hard, right, Because if you
- 33:52compare, which again, back to I'm only comparing between
- 33:55healers, I I can't really compare between, you know, ADPS
- 34:00and a healer because I'm fighting for that spot in
- 34:02particular. It it makes a bit of disrupt
- 34:06when you're trying to choose because this other healer can
- 34:10either do healing better than me, brings a better raid buff,
- 34:13has more utility, does something better where monks monks is
- 34:19really hard to sell. So getting that comp kind of
- 34:22perfect is I think probably a necessity if you really want to
- 34:26do super duper well. But I don't think it's, you
- 34:30know, make or break, but it is a a big benefit.
- 34:37One thing that I think that we haven't really talked about just
- 34:41because it really hasn't been much of an issue in the last
- 34:44expansion is mana efficiency. If you're running through keys
- 34:50and you've got good throughput, maybe not the best throughput,
- 34:55but you can just keep putting that throughput on.
- 34:58That could be a place for healers in mythic Plus does Monk
- 35:04farewell in that? Are you having to stop often in
- 35:08order to like recoup that MP? Just are you going OOM
- 35:12significantly or can you just keep trucking?
- 35:15Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie, I don't.
- 35:19I don't think that that would really matter too much if a
- 35:22healer, you know, is doing medium healing, but they never
- 35:25run out of mana. I think it's it's definitely the
- 35:29opposite way around that if they're doing really good
- 35:31healing, they usually just don't run out of mana.
- 35:34But if they do really good healing anyways, they'll they'll
- 35:36figure it out one way or another.
- 35:39Monsieur now has I think mana's OK for M plus.
- 35:46So, you know, running from pack to pack I don't think is a major
- 35:49issue anyways, right? Because you have as a healer,
- 35:51especially as a monk healer, right?
- 35:53You just rolled forward and you're kind of like already
- 35:55there at the next pack. So you can briefly sit down.
- 35:58And not every pack is gonna be so much of this mana
- 36:01intensiveness. Or, you know, let's say you're
- 36:03walking up to a boss and there's no damage for the 1st 15
- 36:07seconds, right? You can sit down before combat
- 36:09starts and you don't have to really do anything until you
- 36:13have to really start healing and getting prepared.
- 36:16There's obviously exceptions to that rule for sure, but I don't
- 36:20think that's a major issue. I mean, miss Uber now in in M
- 36:24plus specifically, I can foresee mana issues once we get to these
- 36:29like 3-4 five minute bosses that require either a lot of single
- 36:33target healing or just really major, you know, group wide
- 36:38healing. I mean, we have a talent right
- 36:41now that when you drink Manatee stacks, you regain stacks of
- 36:46Shaylin's Gift to heal your group more.
- 36:49So we kind of got rid of this part of Manatee that was you
- 36:57drink some stacks and then afterwards you have this
- 37:00duration of reduced costs on on your spells.
- 37:04That's now gone again, back to this like tracking mentality
- 37:07type thing that they're removing in midnight.
- 37:09And now it just returns mana, which I don't think it was
- 37:12enough mana return that they gave us as like a, a
- 37:16compensation for that being gone.
- 37:17Because I think All in all, Misreaver is kind of maybe this
- 37:21is our niche, right? This is our mana niche that we
- 37:23are super mana reliant, you know, constantly worrying about
- 37:29mana where, you know, we have some healers that you're never
- 37:32think about it ever, or they're like moderately fine.
- 37:36It's just a thing that they have to deal with where monks is
- 37:39constantly in the back of our minds of, you know, I have to
- 37:41have manatee going in order to make myself, you know, prolong
- 37:45the duration that I have until the end of a fight.
- 37:49So I, I, I definitely foresee a bunch of issues that can happen
- 37:52as fights progress longer. I'm very worried about pre patch
- 37:56right now. Nexus King is like the killer of
- 38:00mana in general. And now I, I genuinely don't
- 38:03know how I'm going to survive until the end.
- 38:05Maybe the damage that they have reduced it by is like more than
- 38:08enough to not worry about it. But if I go umm in the first
- 38:12minute 30 I'm going to be very very sad.
- 38:16Miss Fever. OK, that mana game, do you find
- 38:22that that's a fun mini game? Like in my mind, if you're
- 38:28healing and you're a fairly reactive healing, because that's
- 38:31what monks do, that's what shaman healing is for the most
- 38:34part, your reactive healing. That mini game is kind of what
- 38:37makes you somewhat stand out in like gameplay loops.
- 38:43Is the Mana mini game a fun mini game?
- 38:47So I did think it was quite fun before this season.
- 38:52I thought it was some way for you to not only provide a bunch
- 38:56of skill expression to the gameplay, right?
- 38:59You have this thing that only stacks to 20 and you can drink
- 39:02it at some points. You know, you have this mana
- 39:05cost reduction at the end of it that you know you want to fit in
- 39:09as many mana heavy spells to do it.
- 39:11So you're kind of shifting your globals around in order to like
- 39:14fit a rushing wind kick in there or fit a enveloping mist in
- 39:18there. That's like reduced via some
- 39:19buff that you got and it allowed you to play pretty good.
- 39:23Like if you didn't play manatee well, you did not get to the end
- 39:27of the fight and you did not play very well.
- 39:31Prior to this, this season we just had so many globals that
- 39:36were active for us, or I mean, sorry, this season we just have
- 39:40so many globals that are filled in.
- 39:42Our CPM is so high that, you know, playing the Mana mini game
- 39:47was so hard. While you have all of these
- 39:49effects that are going on, you know you're getting Cdr from 4
- 39:52different sources and you're constantly pressing abilities
- 39:57and it's really, really hard to keep up sometimes, right?
- 40:00Mystery did not start this season super well, so in order
- 40:04to keep up with different healers you had to cast more,
- 40:08and Manatee was just like this looming thing at the back.
- 40:14I definitely need to. Cool down and screw screw your
- 40:16throughput when you did it on it.
- 40:18Yeah, exactly. So it's, I think it's fun, I
- 40:22think it's engaging. I think it brings a level of
- 40:24skill expression which a lot of it has now been reduced by that
- 40:28mana cost reduction being gone where it's just kind of a now
- 40:31it's really just like a kind of like bug kind of just standing
- 40:36there and you gotta squash it eventually because otherwise you
- 40:40don't make it to the end of a fight where some healers again
- 40:44back to Shaman, you know, Shaman just kind of does what it does
- 40:47and then it sticks around like 8090 and it's just there.
- 40:51So yeah, I, I don't know what has to happen with it, but it's,
- 40:57it's fine, I guess. OK.
- 41:01We've been talking about midnight for all of this and we
- 41:04haven't yet to discuss the Apex talents.
- 41:08Yeah, So what is Miss Weaver's Apex talents and does it
- 41:12actually change the game? Yeah, so Miss Weaver's Apex
- 41:17talent is like all of them. Four points.
- 41:20First one is that when you just cast, you got a chance to proc
- 41:25this thing called Spirit Font, which visually I think is really
- 41:28cool. Soothing Mist is kind of
- 41:31something that Miss Weaver, I mean, has always had, right?
- 41:33It's a super cool channeled spell that either dominates
- 41:37gameplay or it does not needed all the time, just depending on
- 41:41the way that you're healing. And that visual has always been
- 41:44super cool to a bunch of misfivers.
- 41:46I love it. And what it does is it sends off
- 41:495 soothing mists from your body on to five players.
- 41:54It swaps around to different targets that you know, if they
- 41:57get healed to 100%, moves on to somebody else, heals them, just
- 42:02gives them, you know, this extra bit of healing from you.
- 42:04So visually, I think super cool. We had a talent previously
- 42:09called Unison that unfortunately got removed.
- 42:11I really don't know why, probably because of this, the
- 42:14Apex talent, but it just replicated your soothing mists,
- 42:18right? So you could have had, I think
- 42:20it was a maximum of like 16 soothing mists onto your raid at
- 42:23once, which is crazy, right? It's like a spider going through
- 42:27the raid of these green myths. But I mean, it was really cool.
- 42:32But I understand kind of why it had to be removed to not have
- 42:35that happen when that procs. And you press the sorry when it
- 42:39procs, it doesn't immediately go.
- 42:41You have to press it, right? It's not like immediate passive
- 42:44healing, right? Yeah, you have it's tied to
- 42:46enveloping this. So whenever you cast the
- 42:48enveloping this after it proc, it would start doing this.
- 42:51And it's not like you channeling it, it's just a buff that you
- 42:54get right that just pushes it on to everybody else.
- 42:59So it's really good. It also like the last point is
- 43:02tied to Thunder Focus T so you can guarantee a proc that way.
- 43:06The like 2 middle nodes is just you know, a little bit of extra
- 43:10buff, higher rushing wind kick, rising sun kick healing more
- 43:15enveloping mist healing while your spirit fonts are active.
- 43:18Those are like the bonus is doubled.
- 43:20So pretty basic stuff in the middle, but I mean, ultimately I
- 43:24think it's really cool. I think for the way that it
- 43:29heals, I think was really smart, right, that they have this
- 43:32talent that's not really used much anymore.
- 43:34Visually is a really major part of Mist Reaver of like your
- 43:38mists, right? Your Mist healing people, you
- 43:40don't really get to see them super often in gameplay just
- 43:44because you don't really use soothing Mist all that much.
- 43:47So to be able to activate it that way is really cool.
- 43:50Thematically, I think it's really cool.
- 43:52Numerically in raid it does a lot better just because of the
- 43:56way that it works. And then an M Plus, I think it's
- 44:00kind of all right. Definitely some other Apex
- 44:05talents that I've seen that are really, really cool and do a lot
- 44:07more. But All in all, I can't really
- 44:11complain with it. I think it's really cool.
- 44:13When it procs, how long does that?
- 44:16How long do you have to use that proc?
- 44:19Is it sticking around for like 10 seconds, 30 seconds, a minute
- 44:23or like it appears? It's 30 seconds, so it's a
- 44:26really long time on it should proc multiple times a minute.
- 44:30So ideally you kind of want to use it when you get it right.
- 44:33We had we had a bug on not, I guess not really a bug, but on
- 44:38beta for the longest time that was actually fixed yesterday
- 44:42that it was not visible on the the cooldown manager.
- 44:45So it's just very hard to see when you got a proc versus like
- 44:48the guaranteed one from Thunder Focus T, which I mean affect the
- 44:52gameplay, right. You didn't know when you had
- 44:54healing when you actually had healing where you couldn't, you
- 44:57know, could have used that instead of a a cool down,
- 45:00because I would say it's about cool down strength, maybe like a
- 45:03mini cool down strength of of a cast.
- 45:06So sticks around for a while. You could definitely plan around
- 45:09it a little bit. It's not just like you get it.
- 45:12You have to spend it now, but it's more so I should spend it
- 45:16fairly soon. You know that that 30 seconds, I
- 45:19think that's kind of great. Like if you're at the end of a
- 45:22pack, you're like, no, no, I'm just going to bring this into
- 45:24the next one. If you're if it procs in the
- 45:27middle of a boss fighting, you know, the next damage events
- 45:30coming up, you kind of can save it to like actually be
- 45:33effective. I like that.
- 45:35OK. Yeah, it's pretty good.
- 45:38I I think that the way that it works is really well, I think
- 45:41it's better than kind of some of the things that we've seen in
- 45:44the war within where we have this buff that is literally
- 45:47infinite, which I think is a bit unfair of of just the way that
- 45:52it plays. I think that it should never
- 45:53have been infinite. And definitely maybe a 30 second
- 45:57thing would have been nice too there, but it was definitely a a
- 46:01major bonus to monk. OK.
- 46:04All right. Last things that I want to ask
- 46:05you about congening with talents, of course, in midnight,
- 46:11sorry, in midnight we're going to have a new row of talents in
- 46:15both of those heroes trees. I think Monk also got some
- 46:18talents completely pulled out and replaced as well for for
- 46:23their hero trees. How are those looking?
- 46:26Let's start with like the conduit of the Celestials.
- 46:28Like how is condo Celestials looking with those new talents?
- 46:32Yeah, so Conduit was definitely the the baby of whoever did our
- 46:37hero trees of, of, you know, looking at the way that monks
- 46:42should play it got a lot of changes to it, so much more than
- 46:47Master of Harmony. In the Conduit celestials tree
- 46:50we got, you know, a choice, a new choice node between whether
- 46:54or not our celestials active. If we do 5% more healing, it's a
- 46:57little bit boring, but 5% is 5% in cooldowns.
- 47:00I'll take it with another choice node there that increases rising
- 47:04sun kick damage. So pretty good.
- 47:06The tree is just to like preface, it is very well known
- 47:10for not great damage because Master of Harmony did phenomenal
- 47:15damage when it really needed to, so it got a lot of supporting
- 47:19talents for damage there. There's another one that conduit
- 47:23itself, the actual button press no longer gets increased by the
- 47:28number of targets up to a cap. Now it is doing maximum damage
- 47:34until 5 targets, and then it gets reduced past that, so it
- 47:38does even more damage. Now there's a talent there that
- 47:41increases its damage and healing when you have lower amounts of
- 47:47targets to do. So it's like kind of inverse but
- 47:50still doing good damage and healing.
- 47:53So those are really good. Those are welcomed.
- 47:56I don't really love that they're adding damage onto our tree.
- 48:00I guess some of the damage gets pushed into healing, like the
- 48:03Rising Sun kick for example, right?
- 48:04Because it converts into healing.
- 48:07Not a super big fan of of that in particular, but it's fine.
- 48:10The tree really needed some of that damage like I mentioned
- 48:14earlier, like our hero talents are coming in to the tree now.
- 48:17So changing the way that Heart of the Jade Serpent worked from
- 48:20Shaolin's Gift to Thunder Focus T activating it and then Thunder
- 48:24Focus T gets cooldown reduction through Heart of the Jade
- 48:27Serpent. So very, very much like a, a, a
- 48:30cyclical relationship with both of them.
- 48:32We gain haste during our Heart of the Jade Serpent.
- 48:37There's one more that I'm totally blanking on that we got
- 48:40on our new robe that I can't remember.
- 48:41Oh, it's a, a random proc to Heart of the Jade Serpent.
- 48:44So a lot of really good things working there for Thunder Focus
- 48:47T like now it's it's kind of become this like almost major
- 48:52cooldown. So many things are tied to it
- 48:54now that it's super strong. That makes the tree really,
- 48:57really strong. So a lot of things there.
- 49:02Master of Harmony unfortunately got some really sad changes that
- 49:06I don't love with the tier sets edition.
- 49:08Like I mentioned before, it was kind of like in a reduced format
- 49:12right before it was super overbearing and did a lot of
- 49:15healing when it really, really got into it and especially on
- 49:19the lower end, did a lot of healing when you just didn't
- 49:21really have too much to heal anyways.
- 49:24And then they reduce it down to like when we get a rising sun
- 49:28kick that is guaranteed, which is good, right?
- 49:30That's a good way to to move around it from what it
- 49:33previously was of just like the more healing you do, the more
- 49:35chances you have to gain a stack of it.
- 49:39So that was really good. We got another node that
- 49:41increases ancient teachings healing by 50% or the, excuse
- 49:45me, the the transfer of damage into healing by 50%.
- 49:48So fairly basic node. The capstone of the tree was, I
- 49:54would say, reworked. Not necessarily a nerf, not
- 49:58really a buff. Puffed for raid nerf for M plus
- 50:02kind of. It used to have this 20% heel
- 50:04amp attached to it that had a lot of intricacies on it that a
- 50:08lot of mysteries are very confused.
- 50:09I had to write a whole guide about it.
- 50:11Make weak wores around it. It was a super convoluted thing
- 50:14that still is kind of around there but isn't really worried
- 50:18some anymore. But it was reworked, so it made
- 50:22it so that when you cast Vivify or Shalin's Gift now it puts a
- 50:29Hot for 100% of the amount that you healed onto that player and
- 50:33reducing from this vitality pool that you had, which is really
- 50:37good. It's very solid for healing.
- 50:40But as a result of that, you know, Shalin's Gift, for
- 50:42example, an M plus it stacks up to 10.
- 50:45So the more stacks you have, the more healing it does.
- 50:48And when you press it at 10 stacks, that's a lot of healing.
- 50:51So it just like wipes your entire pool worth of vitality.
- 50:56So previously where we had these really big burst moments of
- 51:00healing when you press Thunder focus T that gave you this heel
- 51:02amp that gave you this pool of of healing to work with either
- 51:06applied onto healing or damage. Now when you do it, you just
- 51:10don't have enough vitality regularly like to to do anything
- 51:13with. So good for raid, right?
- 51:16Because now you have this, this pool that can no longer cap
- 51:19anymore. Previously in raid, you just sit
- 51:21on 100% vitality for, you know, 10 seconds because you press it,
- 51:26you do a bunch of healing and then it's done.
- 51:29So good for raid and plus, which it was mainly good for, lost out
- 51:33a lot. You don't do damage with the
- 51:35tree anymore. The thing that used to do like
- 51:3730 to 40% of your damage is now 2%.
- 51:41A lot of the healing nodes do practically nothing for healing.
- 51:45It's very, very damage focused, which is fine.
- 51:47It worked really well. But when we're comparing the two
- 51:52trees, it's, I mean, the difference is quite stark.
- 51:58Perhaps the team is gonna come back with another pass through.
- 52:03Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately I was was playing
- 52:08Shaman at the throughout the War Within and for those who might
- 52:12remember, one of the the hero talents was left in a really
- 52:19horrible position and didn't get its rework until the Point O5
- 52:25patch. So let's hope that's not the
- 52:29situation for you. I'm glad one of your trees looks
- 52:32like a baby gem and it's wonderful.
- 52:34So you do have an option, but you want you want both options
- 52:38to be viable. Yeah, and I mean, Miss Sugar, I
- 52:41think is not not a stranger to these things happening where
- 52:45things start off really bad and then they get moderately good as
- 52:48time progresses, just with, you know, recognizing that there's
- 52:52an issue and then it being solved.
- 52:53I think Miss Sugar has done really good in like
- 52:57Dragonflight. The wherewithin dragonflight,
- 52:59especially the the rise of miss fever was pretty crazy from the
- 53:04depths of nothing to pretty solid.
- 53:07You know, being a meta healer in in dragonflight season 3 and
- 53:10being wanted pretty often for raid.
- 53:12And you know, while it didn't do the highest of keys that resto
- 53:15Jura did in that season, it still was the most populous
- 53:19healer, which is like unforeseen levels of gameplay.
- 53:23So I'm hoping that something comes of it.
- 53:26I think leaving the tree in the dust is is not a good thing.
- 53:30Hopefully this is like the devs evil plan of like let me make
- 53:34the tree so bad nobody plays it and then I have to tell Blizzard
- 53:37I have to rework this tree to get players on because they did
- 53:42some crazy changes in the war within that made the tree super
- 53:45meta and and I think like the .5 or point yeah something patched
- 53:51like that that made it really good, which is mostly bug fixes,
- 53:56but this isn't bug fixes. This is just tuning and bad
- 54:00nodes. The the last thing that I've got
- 54:04to ask you because you are the first healer that we've had on
- 54:08for this series, with the add-ons and the changes to the
- 54:14API, healers will not have access to nearly the same amount
- 54:19of information that they used to have.
- 54:22How much is that affecting Miss Weavers in particular?
- 54:27Yeah, I think that it's not super affecting monk as much as
- 54:32other healers are like rest of druid feel bad for him, hate
- 54:37them, but feel bad for him. But I, I think it does in some
- 54:41of these moments of miss Weaver, like for example, with, you
- 54:44know, renewing miss coverage on the raid right when we have, and
- 54:49granted, there is add-ons, I have not checked it out yet.
- 54:51So I could be just saying things that are fully in function now.
- 54:55But when you look at, you know, these buffs for me personally,
- 54:58like I've always played with my renewing mist at the top right,
- 55:01my enveloping mist in the middle on the bottom right.
- 55:04I had, you know, enveloping breath, for example, and
- 55:07soothing mist was at the top. So definitely being able to like
- 55:10filter out where things are on my raid frames helps me in
- 55:14figuring out quickly who has what.
- 55:17Now the way that they work now is that, I mean, you have no
- 55:22filtering whatsoever. You have one singular line of of
- 55:26hots or buffs that you apply onto them with what add-ons can
- 55:31do now, which is filter them by like making them alphabetical or
- 55:35by like duration. But that doesn't do anything for
- 55:38me because something that's alphabetical could be less
- 55:42important, right? When I look at, let's say chi
- 55:45cocoon versus enveloping mist versus renewing mist, right,
- 55:49they would just display in that order.
- 55:51But chi cocoons to me don't really mean too much.
- 55:54They do if I'm playing a specific build and I have to do
- 55:57some things on it. But I don't really care all that
- 55:59much about who has this absorb on them.
- 56:02I care about who has my renewing mist so that when I place
- 56:05another renewing mist, I'm not wasting it, right?
- 56:07There's some fall back mechanics that renewing mist has that when
- 56:10you place a new one on somebody that has one already that can
- 56:15jump to somebody, but only if somebody is injured and near
- 56:19them in like a 20 yard range. So it's really good that there's
- 56:22this like fall back protection on it.
- 56:24But if those things are not true, I've now lost this
- 56:27renewing mist, right? And for me to quickly identify
- 56:30things that are happening on my raid.
- 56:32I mean, it's hard. It's it's definitely pretty hard
- 56:35and like the heat of the moment, especially, right?
- 56:36I mean, I'm sure like if anybody has ever progged something, you
- 56:41tunnel vision sometimes and it's really easy to get into these
- 56:43hard moments of a raid boss and you go into it and you just kind
- 56:49of are I guess on autopilot. So for you to be able to get
- 56:53there, like figuring out those things in the moment makes it
- 56:56really hard filtering out buffs or or debuffs that are
- 57:00unimportant, right? I filter out currently every
- 57:04debuff that is like raid wide. I know when my raid is taking
- 57:07damage. I don't care that they, I have
- 57:09this debuff on them that's ticking for 1% of their health.
- 57:13I, I, I could care less about that, but it's on my raid frames
- 57:16without a choice for me to get rid of that.
- 57:19And as a healer, I feel like even with mystery, right, it's
- 57:24it, it just, I've lost agency for anything that I'm doing
- 57:28right. ADPS can display their their
- 57:31Dots on a nameplate. They can display their cooldowns
- 57:35on their cooldown manager in any order that they want, wherever
- 57:38they want, how they want. There's obviously limitations to
- 57:41it, but I just don't have that agency anymore.
- 57:46So I'm, I'm a bit worried. I, I think that some things that
- 57:50they have done, or I guess I should say lack of doing is very
- 57:55clear that, you know, healers are not at their forefront of
- 57:59what they're doing. And they're definitely, you
- 58:01know, even though they've said they want to make healing
- 58:03easier, this is not the right way to do it.
- 58:07Even as a mystery. I, I got some Flack the other
- 58:11day for being the only healer with these like survival guides
- 58:14that Wowhead is doing, being the only healer that didn't mention
- 58:17raid frames. But for me, it was like, every
- 58:20healer's gonna do it. So let me talk about the actual
- 58:22problems with my spec, then talk about something that's kind of
- 58:26well known anyways. You're not going to repeat the
- 58:30same thing that five other specs have put in, as well as several
- 58:34of the DPS and tanks along with it.
- 58:36OK, Yeah. Exactly.
- 58:40OK, well honestly this is being an amazing talk and now I'm
- 58:44looking at it. We're at the hour.
- 58:46So did I say 45 minutes when I initially started this man?
- 58:51Eventually. I don't even know.
- 58:54But this has been an amazing conversation.
- 58:57When people want to find you and your stuff, where can they find
- 59:00you? Yeah, I mean, I mostly talk
- 59:04through discord to people. I'm in peak of serenity super
- 59:07duper often. I'm in their swirl, always known
- 59:10as swirl pretty much everywhere I stream on Twitch lol.
- 59:15Twirl on Twitch don't really do that much right now, just mostly
- 59:18Prague stuff, key stuff when I'm actually doing that of odds on
- 59:23swirl streams on YouTube. That's pretty much it.
- 59:26If you got a question feel free to pop in to peek and at me.
- 59:30Always down to to help. That's awesome.
- 59:35Thank you so much and hopefully good things coming for months
- 59:41and for the raid frames and we will see you guys all in
- 59:46midnight. Until next time, may all your
- 59:48hits be grits.