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FridAI - Muse and AI Dumbing Down · Business Brain – The Entrepreneurs’ Podcast

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  Dave Hamilton: Business Brain, episode 795 for Casual Friday AI, October 9th,
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  Dave Hamilton: Curious Events Day, 2026.
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  Shannon Jean: I'm curious.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I mean, is there a, you know, I feel like Curious Events Day was probably conceived before,
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  Dave Hamilton: the ubiquity of the internet, because there are curious events that happen every day.
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  Dave Hamilton: what the internet has done is it has allowed all of us to find out about every single one of them.
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  Shannon Jean: Well have you seen this one
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah well that's what i mean like yeah it used to be and and this is true about
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  Dave Hamilton: curious events it's true about bad news like you only knew about the things
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  Dave Hamilton: that happened relatively close to you
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  Dave Hamilton: yes and when i when a curious event happened you know on the other side of the
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  Dave Hamilton: country or even halfway across the country or a terrible thing happened
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  Dave Hamilton: halfway across the country you simply didn't know unless you knew someone in
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  Dave Hamilton: that town that lived there but most of us didn't right.
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  Shannon Jean: Probably probably uh better
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  Dave Hamilton: For us i think it was way better for us yeah that you know the 24-hour news
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  Dave Hamilton: cycle is certainly part of this but um,
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  Dave Hamilton: yeah yeah anyway greetings folks welcome to business brain the show where we
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  Dave Hamilton: in durham new hampshire i'm dave hamilton.
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  Shannon Jean: And I'm Shannon Jean. I'm here in Northern California, and I'm always excited
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  Shannon Jean: to talk on Friday. I happy Friday.
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  Dave Hamilton: Happy Friday. yeah, I, it's, yeah, go, go.
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  Shannon Jean: I want to talk about Muse.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, same.
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  Shannon Jean: Great. M-U-S-E. Yes. Came out on the 29th. So we recorded early because we were
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  Shannon Jean: both out of town last year. So we haven't really talked about it yet.
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  Dave Hamilton: We were out of town last year, but also last week. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Last week, same thing. And, And yeah, it's pretty interesting.
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  Shannon Jean: And I find that what's really interesting is I think just today,
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  Shannon Jean: when we're recording this on October 6th, Intuit just allowed Muse to connect
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  Shannon Jean: directly to QuickBooks, which I think will be amazing.
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  Shannon Jean: So Muse is another AI agent, right?
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  Shannon Jean: Like similar to Instinct, similar to GrokBot.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I would call these agent first platforms, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: Whereas like ChatGPT and Claude started as chatbots where you were basically,
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  Dave Hamilton: and this is a, I'll say it, an enhanced search engine, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: Where it was going and maybe getting information for you, but just processing,
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  Dave Hamilton: a query in some way, shape, or form.
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  Dave Hamilton: Whereas Muse, like Instinct and like you said, like GrokBot,
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  Dave Hamilton: is intended to go and do things on your behalf, remind you of things.
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  Dave Hamilton: I started using Muse basically right when it came out, and it was great for,
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  Dave Hamilton: our trip last week. I used both Instinct and Muse.
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  Dave Hamilton: one thing that I like,
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  Dave Hamilton: much better about Muse is that it is far more open to interacting with other
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  Dave Hamilton: platforms. I mean, the thing about QuickBooks- It does seem.
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  Shannon Jean: To have less problems to interacting. With Instinct, you often hit that wall
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  Shannon Jean: and it'll come back and be like, oh, it wouldn't let me do this.
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  Dave Hamilton: Instinct wouldn't see my email, whereas because I use Fastmail,
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't use Gmail as my primary.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, Muse connected right to my Apple Mail. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: It was great. I told it. I'm like, I use FastMail. There's an MCP connector.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's like, yeah, I got you. Just here, go log in and say it's okay. And I did.
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  Dave Hamilton: And then it was like, all right, we're off to the races. And it could do all the things.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I really like Muse. I mean, there was a little hesitation at first where
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  Dave Hamilton: it was like, oh, man, I can't believe I'm about to let Meta log into my email.
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  Shannon Jean: Well, this is a good question that Hunter just asked in the chat,
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  Shannon Jean: right? Talk about Muse security if you're comfortable connecting it to email.
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  Dave Hamilton: There you go. So it was as though you teed it up for me.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: Go. No, my hesitation was short-lived because I thought, well,
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  Dave Hamilton: I've already connected Claude to my email.
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  Dave Hamilton: Same. I've already connected OpenClaw to my email.
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  Dave Hamilton: i have tried to connect instinct to my email and i don't know anything i mean
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  Dave Hamilton: i know a little bit about the the the guy and the team that started instinct
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  Dave Hamilton: but i mean like they've got a lot of investors yeah they pulled in another,
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  Dave Hamilton: huge round of investments right since we talked last and it was like wait why
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  Dave Hamilton: am i hesitating i like meta already has all my information yes of all of these
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  Dave Hamilton: companies they're the ones that are going to that have the least to gain so correct.
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  Shannon Jean: I think that with all of these um
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  Shannon Jean: agents. I believe that if you're, you cannot get the most out of them if you
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  Shannon Jean: don't connect them to everything.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, for sure.
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  Shannon Jean: For sure. Right. So I'm comfortable, you know, they have, I asked,
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  Shannon Jean: I asked instinct actually, if, if Muse was socked too, and they said no.
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  Shannon Jean: But they have this no binding, no training, or they have a no training commitment,
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  Shannon Jean: meaning that we're not going to train on your data. Okay, they have that.
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  Shannon Jean: And so, you know, what Instinct said, right? Fine for individual use,
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  Shannon Jean: not yet a compliance-grade business tool, but I use it, you know,
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  Shannon Jean: I've been letting these things have access. All of them...
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  Shannon Jean: Ask my permission before they do anything. Right. They will draft a message.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes. Do different things. I don't, I'm not concerned that Muse is going to go
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  Shannon Jean: crazy in my email. Right.
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  Shannon Jean: I want it to flag things. And, you know, I had an issue in my community this
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  Shannon Jean: morning, and I've got GrockBot as a user in the community.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yep.
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  Shannon Jean: That can flag me when certain things happen. So it alert me right away.
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  Shannon Jean: And they're super powerful, man.
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  Shannon Jean: This is the way it's going to be. Agents talking to agents.
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  Shannon Jean: And one thing I found interesting, like in addition to Intuit and QuickBooks
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  Shannon Jean: allowing Muse to come in is so did Shopify.
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  Shannon Jean: And so if, like I posted last week, I said, hey, if your website doesn't let
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  Shannon Jean: my agent in to get things done, I'm going to go somewhere else. Oh, for sure.
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  Shannon Jean: I just don't have time. And I was surprised to see Amazon killed access to Muse
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  Shannon Jean: on their platform because they don't want it up there shopping for you.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I thought- What a bizarre thing.
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  Shannon Jean: It's crazy, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: Because- Did they have a reason?
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  Shannon Jean: No, I just, I don't have a direct-
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  Shannon Jean: You know, Amazon, it says here, Amazon is holding out. That's what it says.
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  Shannon Jean: But I think it's a boon for Shopify sellers to be able to say,
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  Shannon Jean: hey, turn your agents on.
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  Shannon Jean: You can shop from your whatever and we'll, you know, I'm sure they're claiming
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  Shannon Jean: it's some kind of security thing or they don't want. And I don't,
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  Shannon Jean: it's only been a few weeks since Muse is out. So it's not like,
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  Shannon Jean: I mean, you know, who knows?
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, it's weird. Amazon says their problem is that they never agreed to let Muse in.
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  Dave Hamilton: and and it was like well but you agree to let me in if i if i hire a and i still
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  Dave Hamilton: don't like the term virtual assistant if i if i because like muse is a virtual
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  Dave Hamilton: assistant but if i hire a person,
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  Dave Hamilton: a person as my assistant and they're real not virtual then amazon like presumably
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  Dave Hamilton: if i give that person the ability to log in as me, Amazon's going to let them
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  Dave Hamilton: order things on my behalf.
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  Dave Hamilton: So why not? And I would have to take responsibility for what I have allowed that person to do.
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  Dave Hamilton: So why wouldn't I then also be able to take responsibility for a virtual assistant?
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  Shannon Jean: They should come up and say, hey, if you connect it, whatever it does, you're responsible.
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  Dave Hamilton: Because that's the deal, folks.
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  Shannon Jean: That's the deal.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like with anything.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: If OpenClaw sends an email on my behalf, or that hasn't happened because I haven't
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  Dave Hamilton: let it, but if OpenClaw deletes 800 of my emails, which has happened,
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  Dave Hamilton: that's also my fault. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's right. There was no point in that process when I freaked out about losing
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  Dave Hamilton: 800 emails in my inbox that I was like, I need someone to blame.
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  Dave Hamilton: I knew exactly which someone to blame. It was this someone, the guy who's talking right now.
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  Shannon Jean: And we did an episode on harnesses a couple weeks ago. You know,
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  Shannon Jean: this is Muse, it's a harness.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's just another harness. Right.
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  Shannon Jean: The more you connect them to things, the more powerful they are.
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  Dave Hamilton: Generally speaking, true.
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  Shannon Jean: Connect them to your Zoom because you have call transcripts.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. Connect them to Notion because you're building out, you know,
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  Shannon Jean: whatever else, whatever you're building in Notion.
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  Shannon Jean: You connect them to Klaviyo or you can connect them to kit.com or I don't know
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  Shannon Jean: about Beehive, but in one of them, if you use Slack, connecting to Slack is life-changing.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes. Because I can't keep up with everything that's going on,
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  Shannon Jean: but I can certainly have my agent in the morning when I fire up my computer.
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  Shannon Jean: It's like, here's what's happening.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yes.
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  Shannon Jean: Here's your dashboard and everything. So I'm comfortable. I'm here for it. And I'm excited to
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  Dave Hamilton: Dig in and use it more. Of course. Let me put it this way.
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm certainly going to make mistakes. In addition to that, my agents are also
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  Dave Hamilton: going to make mistakes, and I have to pay for those mistakes whether I made
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  Dave Hamilton: them or my agent made them on my behalf. It's just how it goes.
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  Dave Hamilton: But what would I, in my opinion, would be a greater mistake is not using agents
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  Dave Hamilton: for anything because all of my competitors are using them.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes.
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  Dave Hamilton: So there you go. Yep. That's it. I do have some concerns.
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  Shannon Jean: Though. There's going to be a massive price. I do have some concerns.
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  Shannon Jean: I want to hear about your concerns.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. I'm interested to see what you're saying. They probably aren't the concerns
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  Dave Hamilton: that you're hearing everybody else rant about, but they might be. I don't know.
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  Shannon Jean: Okay, man, what are you worried about?
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. So what I'm worried about is, let's take our conversation that we had
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  Dave Hamilton: at the beginning of this episode, for example, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: You and I are all in on this AI thing, as all in as I know anyone to be personally.
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  Dave Hamilton: I think there are people who are more all in than we are, but certainly.
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  Shannon Jean: But I would say we're early adopters.
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  Dave Hamilton: For sure. No question. Bleeding edge, right? We break things,
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  Dave Hamilton: we pay the price, all that stuff, but we also reap the benefits.
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  Dave Hamilton: AI has gotten to a point. It wasn't that long ago that I said,
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  Dave Hamilton: you can't, I don't like using AI in scenarios where I don't have knowledge,
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  Dave Hamilton: where I don't have domain authority, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: Or domain expertise, authority is the wrong term, domain expertise, subject matter,
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  Dave Hamilton: because i don't know if what the ai is telling me is correct or the right thing or not,
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  Dave Hamilton: with the current models that are out here now though that is changing for me
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  Dave Hamilton: i am comfortable because i've seen solutions implemented,
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  Dave Hamilton: that i sort of directed the ai towards but it like it It was way out over my skis,
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  Dave Hamilton: and yet, repeatedly,
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm getting results.
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  Dave Hamilton: And that's the part where it's like, okay—.
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  Dave Hamilton: Where are we headed with this? Because there is less and less incentive to develop domain expertise.
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  Dave Hamilton: There is less and less incentive to fact check the AI's work.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like when it gets to a certain point, the only way I can fact check it is to ship it.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like whatever it has created, ship it. And does it work?
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  Dave Hamilton: Does the person to whom I delivered whatever this is, be it a website or a spreadsheet
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  Dave Hamilton: or a contract or whatever, are they happy with it?
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  Dave Hamilton: And I know when I'm asking that question, at least for some people,
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm not just asking, are they happy with it? I'm asking, is their LLM happy
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  Dave Hamilton: with it, right? Like, is their agent happy with it?
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  Dave Hamilton: And at what point do we stop using our brains and what does that mean?
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  Dave Hamilton: Like that's the concern that I have here is at some point, and it's not today,
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  Dave Hamilton: like we're all still using our brains. We're all still architecting things.
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  Dave Hamilton: But at what point does all of that just kind of become a rounding error?
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  Dave Hamilton: And it's just the LLMs, our agents, working on our behalf with no help from
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  Dave Hamilton: us, no guidance from us, no guidelines from us.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I know there's people out there doing that right now and not having great
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  Dave Hamilton: success, but that's going to get better.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. And I think I've mentioned this quote before on here. I think Mark Cuban said it.
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  Shannon Jean: You know, there are people using AI to become smarter and people using AI that
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  Shannon Jean: because they're stupid.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: But it encapsulates what you're describing. It's there are people that are just
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  Shannon Jean: I throw it in here and it gives me an answer.
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  Shannon Jean: But I would argue that
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  Shannon Jean: it's been this way forever, and there are people that would just Google it and
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  Shannon Jean: grab the first answer, and that would be it.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, there it is. There are people that will – I'm sorry? Mark,
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  Dave Hamilton: I got it. Yeah, Mark Cuban.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, he says there's two types of AI users. You're either using it to learn
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  Dave Hamilton: everything or so you don't have to learn anything.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes. Yes. It's the same type of people that would jump to Wikipedia and search
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  Shannon Jean: and come up with something and say, oh, this is a fact, which is not,
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  Shannon Jean: right? It's someone else writing what they think.
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  Shannon Jean: Even Google, you're coming up.
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  Shannon Jean: I always, I mean, like us, because we're, quote, bleeding edge or on the edge
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  Shannon Jean: or early adopters. Sure.
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  Shannon Jean: If I'm not sure, the first thing I do is run it through another,
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  Shannon Jean: a different AI, which I have found can add nuance to how things are interpreted or how they're stated.
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  Shannon Jean: But I don't know that I...
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  Dave Hamilton: To be candid,
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  Dave Hamilton: I think you're not relying on it the way I'm relying on it because I'm pushing.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right. Like I'm not doing that anymore because there's no reason to do that anymore.
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  Dave Hamilton: Things like Fable and Soul are creating.
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  Shannon Jean: Doesn't it make it better that it's not hallucinating as much?
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  Dave Hamilton: Yes.
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  Shannon Jean: That it's actually, I mean, we all have Gilman, we all have Gilman amnesia,
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  Shannon Jean: right? Right. We, we look it up to see what it means.
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  Shannon Jean: Uh, so if you don't, if you're out of your zone of expertise, you have no way.
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  Shannon Jean: Uh, so, but I, I, I don't, I think that's empowering, dude.
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  Dave Hamilton: I think that's no, I agree with you. I'm using it as I feel empowered by it.
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  Shannon Jean: But yeah, I want to do more. I want to be on the rocket ship, man.
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  Dave Hamilton: At the same, same. And I, and like, I'm going to be, none of this is stopping
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  Dave Hamilton: me, but it does have me asking, what does this create for us?
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  Dave Hamilton: And I, and, and I think one of the options is another Renaissance. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: I believe.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yes. I really, I think that's a likely outcome is that we just stop having to
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  Dave Hamilton: work the way that we think about work right now, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: It becomes more about, look, here's what the robots are great at doing.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, the mundane stuff. Yes. The things like now, although…
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  Shannon Jean: contrary to what everybody believes, right? Their demand for,
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  Shannon Jean: let's call them software programmers or developers is the highest it's ever been.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes. Even though these tools were supposed to just wipe them out, right?
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  Shannon Jean: And so there's a lot of contradiction around that.
• 21:28
  Shannon Jean: But I too believe we are entering a renaissance of sorts, but people like us
• 21:37
  Shannon Jean: and people that are embracing it to become smarter,
• 21:41
  Shannon Jean: we are definitely going to have to take, I don't want to use the word take care
• 21:46
  Shannon Jean: of, we're going to have to take into account a large, could be a significant
• 21:53
  Shannon Jean: portion of the population that are not going to do that.
• 21:57
  Shannon Jean: And they're going to struggle during this transition.
• 22:00
  Shannon Jean: For sure. And we're going to have to come up with ways to help them.
• 22:04
  Shannon Jean: And I don't have the answer to that.
• 22:06
  Dave Hamilton: But.
• 22:07
  Shannon Jean: It does need
• 22:08
  Dave Hamilton: To be on our radar. It might be the best argument for that universal basic income or whatever.
• 22:14
  Shannon Jean: We already have it. We already have you.
• 22:16
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I know. But we might need more of it, Shannon, in order to get where we're going.
• 22:21
  Shannon Jean: He calls it universal high income.
• 22:26
  Shannon Jean: Everybody will have it because there will be so much productivity.
• 22:30
  Shannon Jean: I mean, they're building a plant
• 22:31
  Shannon Jean: an hour from me that's going to kick out 10,000 Optimus robots a week.
• 22:36
  Dave Hamilton: It's crazy. And we all want them.
• 22:38
  Shannon Jean: I want them. I can't wait to buy them. I want them in my house.
• 22:41
  Shannon Jean: I want them in my vacation rentals locked up so when they're done,
• 22:44
  Shannon Jean: I can go, oh, dude, okay, you know what? They're saying you can't fix the TV.
• 22:48
  Shannon Jean: Go walk over there and let me see through your eyes so we can figure it out
• 22:52
  Shannon Jean: together. That'll change my life. It'll change my life.
• 22:54
  Dave Hamilton: Oh, yeah. No, I think that's the thing is there are so many of us that are going
• 23:00
  Dave Hamilton: to use this tech to enhance and enhance and enhance not just our lives but the
• 23:06
  Dave Hamilton: lives of our customers and our employees and our team members and all that stuff,
• 23:10
  Dave Hamilton: But there will be, I am already, maybe this is the right way to explain my concern.
• 23:17
  Dave Hamilton: I am already finding myself using AI less to learn and more just to do things.
• 23:26
  Dave Hamilton: And I think that's probably the right, but that wasn't true six months ago.
• 23:31
  Dave Hamilton: Six months ago, it was teaching me.
• 23:34
  Shannon Jean: Yes. But even just the mundane stuff.
• 23:36
  Dave Hamilton: Now it's doing for me. Like, for example, when I was in New York earlier this
• 23:41
  Dave Hamilton: month or earlier in September and then and then Atlantic City, I had it.
• 23:46
  Dave Hamilton: It was just like, I don't have time. Go back to Wednesday's episode if you want to know why.
• 23:50
  Dave Hamilton: I don't have time to think about what we're going to do on this trip. So go.
• 23:54
  Dave Hamilton: And I told instinct this because it was before, you know, we were planning it
• 23:58
  Dave Hamilton: before Muse was available for me.
• 24:00
  Dave Hamilton: And and I said, just like, come up with some ideas. I need dinner reservations
• 24:04
  Dave Hamilton: where we're going to these concerts.
• 24:05
  Shannon Jean: You got to figure this out for me.
• 24:07
  Dave Hamilton: And halfway through it was like um it didn't tell me that my wife was doing
• 24:12
  Dave Hamilton: the same thing but it basically told me that it was like you know,
• 24:16
  Dave Hamilton: you're going away with lisa and if you were to link my instinct with her instinct
• 24:22
  Dave Hamilton: we could do all this together and i was like oh sure go ahead and then all of
• 24:26
  Dave Hamilton: a sudden it was like all right well lisa's already planned all this stuff it
• 24:29
  Dave Hamilton: was like okay you knew that.
• 24:30
  Shannon Jean: Like that's that's yes
• 24:32
  Dave Hamilton: Yes but like i didn't spend any time researching Atlantic City on my own.
• 24:39
  Dave Hamilton: I only know Atlantic City,
• 24:42
  Dave Hamilton: from what instinct told me to look at and the things.
• 24:47
  Shannon Jean: That i saw on the way that yeah it may have if you were to ask instinct or
• 24:53
  Shannon Jean: muse or whatever hey i'm going to atlantic city help me plan my trip so i see
• 24:57
  Shannon Jean: the best stuff that that's what i did in new orleans i had no idea yeah that
• 25:01
  Shannon Jean: this world war ii who would have thought that the national world war ii museum was in new orleans
• 25:05
  Shannon Jean: and i just said what do i need to see and it was like oh it's only two miles
• 25:09
  Shannon Jean: from the house you're staying in
• 25:11
  Shannon Jean: don't miss this and then while i'm on the plane united that had starlink i was
• 25:15
  Shannon Jean: chatting with muse and i said hey
• 25:18
  Shannon Jean: there's like 10 people coming to this
• 25:21
  Shannon Jean: i i'd love to have some food there when we got there it's a great no problem
• 25:24
  Shannon Jean: yeah and it made a whole list of stuff with he's like are they all guys yes
• 25:29
  Shannon Jean: but this is what you need yeah lots of meat and did it all this kind of thing
• 25:33
  Shannon Jean: and it it ordered it through via instacart and when i got to the place there
• 25:37
  Shannon Jean: was six bags of groceries. It's perfect. It was amazing.
• 25:40
  Dave Hamilton: No, that's the thing is I love it. It's that. I know. I love it too.
• 25:45
  Shannon Jean: I'll give that. It can have it. It can have it.
• 25:47
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Shannon Jean: I'm happy to give that up, dude, because I'm not good at that stuff.
• 25:52
  Dave Hamilton: I know, but like.
• 25:53
  Shannon Jean: This makes me a better, I gotta say, I'm going to say it. It makes me a better human.
• 26:00
  Shannon Jean: Because I'm not a planner like that.
• 26:01
  Dave Hamilton: Oh, no. I get that.
• 26:03
  Shannon Jean: I'm not going to know about the World War II Museum.
• 26:05
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I don't think you're hearing me, to be candid. Maybe not.
• 26:11
  Dave Hamilton: It's that I am learning less today than I was six months ago.
• 26:17
  Dave Hamilton: And I can draw a line to AI being the reason for that. That's interesting. That's the part.
• 26:25
  Dave Hamilton: Now, maybe I am learning more soft skills today than I was six months ago, right?
• 26:31
  Dave Hamilton: But in terms of knowledge, I am learning less today because I don't have to.
• 26:40
  Dave Hamilton: I can just trust you to do the thing.
• 26:41
  Shannon Jean: You should do a really good long-form post about this concept with examples
• 26:47
  Shannon Jean: and post an article on X and I'll boost it.
• 26:50
  Shannon Jean: And I really would like to hear more about this because I think,
• 26:55
  Shannon Jean: yeah, like one of the guys in the comments said, that's a long-term problem, right?
• 26:58
  Shannon Jean: So, yeah, I'm curious. But I also would say it's like when I was in high school,
• 27:05
  Shannon Jean: they said you can't use calculators in class.
• 27:09
  Dave Hamilton: I know. And I've used this example.
• 27:12
  Shannon Jean: How many phone numbers do you know now?
• 27:15
  Dave Hamilton: That's a great – no.
• 27:16
  Shannon Jean: Because my phone – no.
• 27:17
  Dave Hamilton: Our phones are great at memorizing things. I don't need to memorize this stuff. No, but it's concepts.
• 27:24
  Dave Hamilton: I am aware.
• 27:26
  Shannon Jean: I believe it's releasing us from the drudgery to allow us to live a more fulfilled life.
• 27:33
  Dave Hamilton: As long as that's what we're getting to now. Yeah, I agree.
• 27:37
  Shannon Jean: But your concern is really valid.
• 27:39
  Dave Hamilton: But it might be that what I wind up doing, especially when I combine the lessons
• 27:44
  Dave Hamilton: from Wednesday's episode with sort of the concerns of today, if you will,
• 27:47
  Dave Hamilton: is that, you know, a year from now or maybe two years from now,
• 27:51
  Dave Hamilton: I'm spending more time playing my drums and learning more and more about that.
• 27:57
  Dave Hamilton: And maybe that is my most valuable skill.
• 28:00
  Shannon Jean: Or more time with your kids.
• 28:02
  Dave Hamilton: I said that on the show, I think a year ago that, you know, my,
• 28:06
  Dave Hamilton: my ability to play the drums might become my most valuable skill.
• 28:11
  Dave Hamilton: I, yeah. And I'm okay with that. Like, sure. Yeah.
• 28:14
  Shannon Jean: It's, it's, I, I do believe that we are going to have to adapt.
• 28:19
  Dave Hamilton: Yes.
• 28:20
  Shannon Jean: And if you're not a lifelong learner, like I think you are.
• 28:25
  Dave Hamilton: I totally am. That's the part that concerns me is it's like,
• 28:27
  Dave Hamilton: wait, like I need to change how it is that I approach the concept of learning. Yeah.
• 28:33
  Shannon Jean: I think you have to continue to read. I think you have to continue to digest.
• 28:38
  Shannon Jean: You have to build your own curriculum.
• 28:40
  Shannon Jean: And if you let AI or Google, you could, this argument we could have had 20 years
• 28:45
  Shannon Jean: ago when Google first came out, I think. It's only different.
• 28:50
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, it's not the same, dude.
• 28:52
  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I know. It's easier.
• 28:54
  Dave Hamilton: I get it. No, no, because Google just expanded access to information. Not Google.
• 29:02
  Shannon Jean: Isn't J.I.
• 29:02
  Dave Hamilton: Doing that? The internet. No. The internet expanded access to information.
• 29:07
  Shannon Jean: You're not learning from it when it builds that stuff for you?
• 29:10
  Dave Hamilton: That's exactly what I'm saying, is I no longer need to learn what it is doing or what it has done.
• 29:18
  Dave Hamilton: I just say, this is the result I want, and it gets it for me,
• 29:21
  Dave Hamilton: and I test it, and it works, and I don't have to know.
• 29:24
  Dave Hamilton: That is exactly it, yes.
• 29:26
  Shannon Jean: I would say you need to add a prompt as, I want you to...
• 29:30
  Shannon Jean: I need you to tell me to tell,
• 29:32
  Dave Hamilton: But I, I, that like, I want to do.
• 29:34
  Shannon Jean: It sounds like to me, you need it.
• 29:35
  Dave Hamilton: No, but that's, but that's what I'm saying. You want it.
• 29:39
  Dave Hamilton: I, I kind of, kind of, that's the, that's the danger is even me,
• 29:44
  Dave Hamilton: somebody who likes to learn new things every single day is I am just letting things happen now,
• 29:52
  Dave Hamilton: at a speed. That's amazing.
• 29:55
  Dave Hamilton: And I'm not stepping back and saying, I want to learn why.
• 29:59
  Dave Hamilton: And if I'm saying that, boy, I'll tell you what, I know that there are like
• 30:05
  Dave Hamilton: huge percentages of the population that have already been saying that. Yeah.
• 30:11
  Shannon Jean: But I think we're on the, I think we're, I have conversations with,
• 30:15
  Shannon Jean: you know, lots of normies.
• 30:17
  Shannon Jean: I call them civilians, wonderful people, but not business owners, not entrepreneurs.
• 30:22
  Shannon Jean: It's the adoption rate is so much lower. It'll take off now like crazy with
• 30:26
  Shannon Jean: Muse and these kind of wrappers that they're putting around it that makes it so approachable.
• 30:33
  Shannon Jean: But, yeah, it's a great conversation. We need to continue to have it.
• 30:37
  Dave Hamilton: Feedback at BusinessBrain.show, folks. I want to hear what you have to say about
• 30:40
  Dave Hamilton: this because I really think there's something here.
• 30:46
  Dave Hamilton: And I think it's important, although it may not matter if that – It's different.
• 30:53
  Shannon Jean: You're going to have the opportunity to learn much more stuff.
• 30:55
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Shannon Jean: So I think the big takeaway for me here is that Dave is concerned that he's learning less.
• 31:04
  Shannon Jean: And I value Dave's intellect and his...
• 31:10
  Shannon Jean: What's the word? Otherness. That Dave's not the normal guy, which is great.
• 31:14
  Dave Hamilton: I know I'm not the normal guy. Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
• 31:16
  Shannon Jean: Correct. So I really value you. You're way up here.
• 31:20
  Shannon Jean: So we need to be aware of it. So are we learning less with AI? That's the takeaway.
• 31:26
  Shannon Jean: And we're going to dig into the topic. You know, we're going to use AI to do it.
• 31:30
  Dave Hamilton: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
• 31:32
  Shannon Jean: Yes. But if you go to businessbrain.show slash blueprints, we'll continue the discussion.
• 31:37
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. And the prompt I'm putting in there, the takeaway I'm putting in is,
• 31:41
  Dave Hamilton: are we learning less with AI or just learning differently?
• 31:45
  Dave Hamilton: And I think I would argue that it's differently, but it's not yet.
• 31:49
  Dave Hamilton: But I think it could be. For me, it is.
• 31:51
  Shannon Jean: I'm learning
• 31:54
  Shannon Jean: much differently now than I was. That's it. Yeah.
• 31:56
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. So thanks for hanging out, folks. Like he said, businessbrain.show slash
• 32:01
  Dave Hamilton: blueprint is where or blueprints. It doesn't matter. They both get you there.
• 32:05
  Dave Hamilton: you can just go get that and uh it'll be there for free for you just for being
• 32:09
  Dave Hamilton: a listener and thank you for being a listener and uh we'll see you next week
• 32:13
  Dave Hamilton: keep living that job great weekend later.