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How Fleas Work · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should know from house stuff Works
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  Speaker 1: It does exist. I felt like a jerk for a
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  Speaker 1: New York made the news recently, as it does from
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  Speaker 1: time and time, Chuck, and that it was discovered that
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  Speaker 1: the flee that was responsible for spreading bubonic plague has
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  Speaker 1: been found alive and well on the rats of New York.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that? What? Yeah? Now, the the people
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  Speaker 1: UM who conducted the study, they just rounded up like
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  Speaker 1: some rats and tested them, and they're like, Yep, this
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  Speaker 1: one's got it. Yep, this one's got it. They were
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  Speaker 1: quick to point out that the bubonic plague itself, which
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  Speaker 1: is called um your Cinea pistalis, it's a bacteria that
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  Speaker 1: causes the plague, which is nasty. Right, did we do
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  Speaker 1: We didn't do a bubonic plague? Yeah, or black death
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  Speaker 1: or something that was a good episode. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is different. But the bubonic plague, it's it's caused by
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  Speaker 1: a back there you're sending a pistles. And they said
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  Speaker 1: that they didn't find you're sending a pistalis in the fleas.
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  Speaker 1: They just found the fleas, the oriental rat flea on
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  Speaker 1: the rats of New York. So they're saying, you're probably
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  Speaker 1: not going to catch the plague. It turns out the
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  Speaker 1: most people who get the plague all seven of them
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  Speaker 1: every year in the US get them here in the south. Really. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's nice, so steer clear of the southern rats. But
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  Speaker 1: the New York rats could just easily spread it to
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  Speaker 1: because everything's in place for it to spread, right, So
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  Speaker 1: fleece man. That's a good that's an old school intro.
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  Speaker 1: It was okay, it's goods a little rusty. So yeah, fleas.
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  Speaker 1: We've done ticks, and we've done um flies, and we've
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  Speaker 1: done these termites. Was a really good remember them termites.
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  Speaker 1: We have dabbled in the insect world. Yeah, and this
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  Speaker 1: is a Tracy Wilson article who wrote, like all all
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  Speaker 1: of the insect articles, you could tell this phone came
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  Speaker 1: later and she's like, I'm so tired of talking about
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  Speaker 1: the thorax that I'm not even going to mention it
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  Speaker 1: in this one. Just go read any of the other articles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And there was one line in here where she was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and like the life cycles like most other insects, don't
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  Speaker 1: be dumb. Read any of these hundred other ones I've
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  Speaker 1: written about it. So please are the bane of my existence.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll pepper throughout the podcast my experience with my
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  Speaker 1: animals and fleas because I've had a couple of major
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  Speaker 1: infestations in my life. But um, they are parasites, and
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  Speaker 1: that means that they feed on the host, in this
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  Speaker 1: case drinking your blood like a tick does. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. For some reason, I don't equate fleas with
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  Speaker 1: ticks though, even though they're so similar. But yes, they
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  Speaker 1: both drink blood. And in fact, what the what the
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  Speaker 1: flea eats is called the blood meal. It's not it
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  Speaker 1: is called dinner. They call it a blood meal. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're about two thousand species of flea. Um. We are
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  Speaker 1: mainly going to concentrate on. I think they call it
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  Speaker 1: the cat flea. That's the most common here in the States. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: And the cat flee is not just attracted to the cat,
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  Speaker 1: it also likes dogs, also likes humans a little bit. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the dog flee, which is also attracted
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  Speaker 1: to cats and dogs and humans, but it will also
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  Speaker 1: attach itself to raccoons, pigs, livestock, wild animals. It's not
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  Speaker 1: very picky. Yeah, like the flea you get and you're
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  Speaker 1: on the squirrel in your yard, that squirrel that haunts
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  Speaker 1: you in your yard, um is going to be different
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  Speaker 1: than the one on your pet. Inside largely because that
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  Speaker 1: squirrel is never laying down for hours on end during
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  Speaker 1: the day. Where the flea will, you know, find a
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  Speaker 1: nice lazy dog and be like this looks like a
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  Speaker 1: great place to fornicate and lay eggs and have a
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  Speaker 1: blood meal or two. Do with my whole thing with
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  Speaker 1: my mouthparts. For that reason, if you ever do find
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  Speaker 1: a squirrel that's stunned or possibly dead, just lying there,
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  Speaker 1: don't roll on it because the fleas will jump out
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  Speaker 1: onto you. Have you seen those photos, they're old, but
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  Speaker 1: of the dead squirrels with the action figures, showed these
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  Speaker 1: Discotti the other day. He had never seen the I
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  Speaker 1: should tell everybody has made an inquisitive Yeah, it's super old.
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  Speaker 1: But someone at one point found a dead squirrel and
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  Speaker 1: got like g I. Joe action figures and as if
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  Speaker 1: he had hunted it, like you know, doing a hunting
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  Speaker 1: pose with his leg propped up on the squirrel's head.
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  Speaker 1: And there's another one with the guy like holding up
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  Speaker 1: the squirrel's head like it was a big game. It's
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  Speaker 1: really funny. And it's funny because they didn't kill these
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  Speaker 1: squirrels to do it, because that would be a different deal.
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  Speaker 1: Squirrel died naturally, I'm assuming the squirrels just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: run over in the road and someone was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let me get my gho's out, like they were hunting
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  Speaker 1: big game, because that's what you do. But should not
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  Speaker 1: ever stage one of these killing an animal? No, And
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  Speaker 1: you really probably shouldn't stage them anyway, because the people
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  Speaker 1: who did stage them probably did get fleas, and they
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  Speaker 1: got cat fleas or dog fleas, I'm sorry, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: the plague. So chuck. Um we said that they feed
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  Speaker 1: on blood, they have blood meals. They are kind of picky,
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  Speaker 1: but not altogether picky when it comes to the kind
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  Speaker 1: of hosts that they have, right, and that you said
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  Speaker 1: that they're parasites, and they're specifically ectoparasites, which means they
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  Speaker 1: live outside of the body, yeah, rather than endoparasites, which
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  Speaker 1: live inside the body. But the thing that they have
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  Speaker 1: in common is that all they do is take, take, take,
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  Speaker 1: and they give nothing back in return but grief, which
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  Speaker 1: you don't really want. So it's not a symbiotic relationship.
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  Speaker 1: It's a parasitic relationship that you have with your fleas.
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  Speaker 1: That's a one way street, right, Um. Fleas are the
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  Speaker 1: little guys, of course, um We we'll I think you
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  Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. What we will describe it.
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  Speaker 1: It's wingless um. They have these hard plates called sclare
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  Speaker 1: rites um that their body is covered with, which is
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  Speaker 1: why if you've ever had a flee and just mash
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  Speaker 1: them between your thumb and finger and been like take that,
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  Speaker 1: and then he goes and jumps off, like how did
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  Speaker 1: that happen? It's because he's that they're covered with these
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  Speaker 1: small plates to help that sclare rites. Yeah, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: really work to kill a flea, like with your fingernails,
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  Speaker 1: and it not only protects fleece from fingernails, it also
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  Speaker 1: protects them from falls because they will jump. They're known
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  Speaker 1: to jump. Yes, we go ahead and talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: I think we should. It's pretty amazing stuff, pretty neat.
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  Speaker 1: What are the stats there? So a flea can jump
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  Speaker 1: about seven inches vertically, that's up and down. Yeah, seven
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  Speaker 1: to eight and thirteen inches horizontally, right, So big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Seven inches. So remember in the cockroach episode where they
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  Speaker 1: can move fifty body links in a second to humans
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  Speaker 1: is like two fifty miles an hour. This is very
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  Speaker 1: similar um in human terms, a flea's jump would be
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  Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty ft vertical jump from a
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  Speaker 1: human that's a lot. That is crazy, and four hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty ft horizontal jump. Yeah, so when this fleet
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  Speaker 1: jump six inches, you should be very impressed. It is
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  Speaker 1: impressive because the current record for a standing long jump
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  Speaker 1: is twelve ft and a fleet could jump the equivalent
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  Speaker 1: of four fifty ft. That's right, setting world records from
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  Speaker 1: your dog's but on a daily basis just one of
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  Speaker 1: the amazing things about a flea um and creepy. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The exoskeleton is smooth looking when you're looking at the
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  Speaker 1: little fleet on your knee, but what it really has
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  Speaker 1: is a bunch of little tiny hairs um sort of
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  Speaker 1: comb back like like a cool guy would do, like
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  Speaker 1: the fons, like the fonds would do. They're pointing a
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  Speaker 1: away from the head and that those little backwards pointing
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  Speaker 1: hairs mean that they can sail through your dog or
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  Speaker 1: cat's fur without getting hooked. But if you go and
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  Speaker 1: try and get the fleet out, that will serve as
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  Speaker 1: a hook like velcro. Yeah, anchor it in that fur.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why I fine tooth combs work, but other
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  Speaker 1: like a brush won't because the fine tooth comb is
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  Speaker 1: so close together. The times are so close together that
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  Speaker 1: the fleet still just can't hang on but a brush
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  Speaker 1: it's like that was nothing. Yeah, and if you have
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  Speaker 1: a flea infestation or a bit of a fleet problem, uh,
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  Speaker 1: your fleet comb is gonna be a good way to tell.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not gonna get rid of that many fleas.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you can flee comb and still have fleas.
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  Speaker 1: It's the canary in the coal mine. Yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a good place. Like if you do that, or if
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  Speaker 1: you separate the hair and you see that dirt flee
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  Speaker 1: dirt they call it. That's like either dried blood or
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  Speaker 1: poop and a good sign that your dog or cat
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  Speaker 1: has fleas. Yeah, it's not flee a No flea. Eggs
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  Speaker 1: are clear, that's right, and smooth. So um. Fleas, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, suck blood. They eat what are called blood meals,
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  Speaker 1: which I just can't give past um. And they do
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  Speaker 1: so because they have specialized mouth parts, which is basically
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  Speaker 1: a combination of two saws on the side that puncture
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  Speaker 1: your skin. Those are called L A C I N
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  Speaker 1: I A. I was gonna say, listen you great um,
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  Speaker 1: and they form a saliva channel which will come into
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  Speaker 1: play later on. Yeah. Um. And then They also surround
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  Speaker 1: what's called the epipharynx, which is the needle that sucks
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  Speaker 1: the blood. That's right, and that is a stylet altogether. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it forms a stylet, which is the puncturing organ, and
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  Speaker 1: it basically it all just jabs into your skin and
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  Speaker 1: that epipharynx is working with um basically stomach pumps, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to suck that stuff out. Yeah, which is pretty impressive
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  Speaker 1: because it requires a lot of suction to get that
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  Speaker 1: blood out. So again, pretty impressive with fleas jump far
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  Speaker 1: suck really hard that they do suck. Yeah. Alright, Right
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  Speaker 1: after this break, we're gonna talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: that life cycle that we mentioned earlier. All right, Josh
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  Speaker 1: fleet life cycle. Yeah. Again, you can just look at
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  Speaker 1: Tracy Wilson be like, there's like other bugs. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a butterfly. It's still worth mentioning. So an adult has
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  Speaker 1: some eggs, and those eggs are totally smooth. They don't
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  Speaker 1: disappear smooth like the fleet itself. They are totally smooth.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why they're smooth is because
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  Speaker 1: the eggs are meant to fall off of the host,
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  Speaker 1: like the flea itself is having a blood meal. On
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  Speaker 1: your leg, laying some eggs, pooping, just doing all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of crazy stuff, right. Um, And when it lays its eggs,
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  Speaker 1: the eggs fall off and they fall into if you're
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  Speaker 1: in the house, carpet fibers deep in the carpet, cracks
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  Speaker 1: in your hardwood floor, man, that's the worst. Outside. They'll
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  Speaker 1: fall into the soil and they are just meant to
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  Speaker 1: be sequestered away. Yeah. They need in order to hatch
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  Speaker 1: and develop, they need warm, moist environment about seventy degrees
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  Speaker 1: fahrenheit sevent humidity, although they'll go as low as like
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  Speaker 1: forty five anything below that, and they're just not gonna hatch. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's why a good winter freeze is gonna help your
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  Speaker 1: fleet problem. Dry winter freeze, dry winter freeze. Um, your
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  Speaker 1: eggs are gonna hatch in about twelve days. And that
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  Speaker 1: twelve day span is one of the things that makes
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  Speaker 1: flee so maddening, because you can think you've killed all
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  Speaker 1: your fleas, and then there are tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: them that are gonna hatch twelve days later, right, and
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  Speaker 1: you go kill those and by the time you kill those,
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  Speaker 1: they've already laid eggs. And this cycle continues, which is why,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get into it. You have to kill the
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  Speaker 1: fleas and their eggs to to take out a flea infestation.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, it's challenging and so UM. The
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  Speaker 1: egg is sitting there in your hardvard floor, your carpet,
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  Speaker 1: or out in the soil, and after about twelve days,
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  Speaker 1: if the conditions are right, it'll hatch and it'll turn
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  Speaker 1: into a lot larva. And the larva goes through three
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  Speaker 1: in stars or cycles of development, stages of development, and
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  Speaker 1: they mold after each one, and after the third in
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  Speaker 1: star it says, I'm going back to my home in
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  Speaker 1: the cracks in the floor and spin me a nice
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  Speaker 1: cocoon and turn into a PUPA. That's right, And like
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  Speaker 1: we said, it's sort of like a butterfly. Um, an
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  Speaker 1: adult flea is eventually going to emerge from that cocoon.
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  Speaker 1: It's not nearly as pretty as an beautiful iridescent butterfly.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't have blood meals as far as I know. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's your next sci fi movie, blood meal butterfly. Look
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  Speaker 1: forward after Sharkonado three from this march UM about half
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  Speaker 1: in a in a population if fleas, about half of
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  Speaker 1: them or eggs, which is why we said they're so
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  Speaker 1: problematic to get rid of, and only about five percent
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  Speaker 1: reach adulthood. Um. And one reason is because females can
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  Speaker 1: only lay the eggs if they've had that blood meal.
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  Speaker 1: If they're starving, they will die before they reproduce. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what's neat about them too, is when they're in
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  Speaker 1: the pupil stage and they're up in their cocoon and
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  Speaker 1: hanging out developing and everything, because they emerge from the
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  Speaker 1: cocoon is an adult. But while they're a pupa, they
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  Speaker 1: can tell through either vibrations and and or sensing body
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  Speaker 1: heat whether there's food nearby, like should I hatch? Because
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  Speaker 1: they right, because they feed on warm blooded animals, so
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  Speaker 1: they can tell them. They find these signals in the
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  Speaker 1: environment and if they if the signals are right, they'll
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  Speaker 1: come out of their cocoon. Uh and I think a
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  Speaker 1: week or something like that. If the signals aren't right,
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  Speaker 1: they can stay in their cocoon for up to a year,
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  Speaker 1: and they actually can will flash themselves. They roll around
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  Speaker 1: their cocoon and like debris and hair and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Yeah, that's why if you have
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  Speaker 1: like a vacation house and you've eradicated your fleas and
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  Speaker 1: then left for the winter. I guess you'd be there
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  Speaker 1: in the winter you've left for the spring, depending on
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  Speaker 1: how you I don't know how you do your vacation house. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but when you come back, you can like that could
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  Speaker 1: be the signal, hey, there are a hosts here now. Like.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you've been overrun by fleas that whole time.
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  Speaker 1: They've just been laying in wait for you to come back.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're back and there say we're here. The
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  Speaker 1: females can lay about twenty eggs at a time, or
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  Speaker 1: about five during a long life. I saw up to
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and another article than the say between Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but again they won't they won't lay eggs if they
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  Speaker 1: haven't eaten no. Um. One of the they're cool things
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  Speaker 1: about the flea larva is that they actually don't eat
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  Speaker 1: blood meals. They eat just about everything else hair, dead,
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  Speaker 1: skin cells, um, flea droppings, nasty nasty things, um, just
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  Speaker 1: about anything that they'll find in the cracks and your floorboards,
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  Speaker 1: or in your carpet or out in the soil. Right. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But then once they hatch, they go after the blood meal.
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  Speaker 1: One of the other things that the flea larva eats
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  Speaker 1: our tapeworm eggs, which makes fleas again super nasty and
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  Speaker 1: dirty little creatures because once they eat those tapeworm eggs,
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  Speaker 1: they grow up to become fleas that have tapeworms. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the tapeworm actually forms in the gut of the flea.
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  Speaker 1: It can be that tiny and uh, then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, your animal has tapeworms because they got bitten
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  Speaker 1: by a flea who injected that junk into your your
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  Speaker 1: dog or more likely you accidentally a to flee or
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  Speaker 1: a flea got into your food or the the your
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  Speaker 1: dog eight to flee, the tapeworm lodged itself and your
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  Speaker 1: dog's gut, the tapeworm eggs were excreted through your dog's
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  Speaker 1: rectum its bedding. You pet your dog, and then you
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: touch your mouth and the tape worms crawl into your mouth.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: The tape worm makes and then now you're infected. So
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: there's like eighty different ways that a tape worm. You
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: can become infected with tapeworms just from fleas and specifically
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: dog fleas are the ones that carry tapeworms. Most likely
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: fleas on dogs or the dog. The dog flee um.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: So that's nasty. Here's some more nastiness for you. The
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: reaction that you get when you get a fleet by
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: or your dog gets um. You know, when your dog
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: is scratching. That is from the junk and the saliva
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: of the flea, specifically the ct E F one protein. Yeah,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and it affects some people and animals more than others. Uh.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: It was really bad on my dog Charlie, Like she
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: had the hair falling out in the bald spots and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the hot patches. She was like, these fleas are driving
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: me crazy. I know. It's terrible. Um. And the same
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: thing can happen to people. You know, if you get
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a flea bite, you can see sometimes you have a
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: few little bumps. Yeah, some people react to it worse
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: than others, but everybody pretty much gets bumps. Those bumps
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: make it even worse because you can scratch it, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: some of those bumps will have bacteria flea excrement around them.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: When you go to scratch them, you can break the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: skin and actually move those flea excrement that's dirty is
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: all get out into your newly open break in the skin,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and you get all sorts of nasty infections from that. Yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you can also get a murine typhus UH in the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: southern and southwestern parts here where we live. UM that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is caused by the bacteria Rickettsia type and UH mainly
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: on the cat flee in the oriental rat flee. But
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that's one of the things you can get when you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: when the flea is defecating while they're eating, you scratch
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and you get that infected waste in the scratch or
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you know, if you've broken your skin, so you get
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: typhus from it from that you scratch in your skin.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And then of course we talked about the plague, which
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. The plague bacteria actually infects the flea
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: itself and it develops this film in the flea's mid gut.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So when the flea goes to eat a blood meal,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: it can't digest all the way, so then it goes
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to feast on the next person and when it punctures
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: your skin, it actually barfs up the undigested blood meal
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that's now infected with the plague into your skin. Now
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you have the plague. Man, when you hear words like
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: mid gut and blood meal and mouthparts like barf is
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the least offensive of all those. That sounds cute. So, um,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: we can understand why everyone wants to get rid of fleas,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: but some people learn to love fleas, especially in the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: nineteenth century, and we'll talk about those people and their
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: flee circuses right after this. All right, Josh, you mentioned
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: flee circuses. Um. I always thought that flee circuses were
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: just fake, and that they use magnets and other little
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: things to like move the bicycle and that can be
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a flee circus. Those are called, I believe, illusory flee circuses. No,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: they have a name humbug flee circuses. But there were,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and I guess still are in some places, flee circuses
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that actually attached little leashes and chains to fleas and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they do things, they pull things around. Yeah, because here's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: another astounding thing about fleas. They can lift up to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: sixty times their body weight, so they're enormously strong. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: sixty times. Like think about it, man, Like imagine lifting
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: sixty times your body weight. You'd be crushed. It's like
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that's a huge rock to you. You know, it's a boulder.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's a boulder. So fleas can lift their equivalent of boulders.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And these boulders, especially in the nineteenth century, but starting
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: about in the sixteen hundreds came in the form of
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: things like chariots, coaches, hearses, just things that like say,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a horse would draw, but in miniature. Yeah, And apparently
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: before that, even in the late fifteen hundreds, a guy
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: named Mark Scalliot in eight he was a watchmaker, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: apparently watchmakers were the first dudes who had the idea
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to attach a flea to a chain, and in fIF
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: did so. It was a lot consisting of eleven different
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: pieces of steel, iron, and brass, which together with the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: key belonging to it, weighed only one grain. Whatever one
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: grain was, It's like a pound and a half. Let's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: no no way. So this is the late yeah, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: he was the first guy who was like, hey, this
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: little flee can actually carry something, right, So that call
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it on. But apparently the the paying public didn't catch
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: onto what was really going on, which was these guys
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: had figured out how to actually train fleas. One of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the thing first things you have to teach them is
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to not jump, and apparently you train them not to
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: jump by keeping him in a sealed container. I was
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: gonna say about beating them by like holding their parents hostage. Um,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you keep them in a jar, I guess the sea
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: through jar, so they can see their parents on the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: other side are being held hostage. But they jump and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: jump and they get nowhere, and they learned jumping is futile,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: so the very shallow something I guess yeah, yeah, um.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And then after they learned to jump, you tie them
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: up to this harness, this very tiny harness, and then
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: they live in the harness for the rest of their lives,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: which no, it's about three months. But um, so let's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: say flee lives a year. The first six months it
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: has to mature to about the age where it can
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: learn and it's big enough to put in the harness.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: You spend three months training it, and then it has
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a performing life of three months where it's basically just
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: living in this harness, carrying chariots around for people's entertainment.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: There are probably people out there feeling bad about the flee, yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but don't forget the plague and flee instrument. Yeah, all
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that stuff. It is kind of sad to an extent um.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But in the six d apparently the public thought that uh,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the fleas the flee circus trainers were sorcerers. That was
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a big thing because that explains it actually just as well. Well,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: they really caught on in places like october Fest in Germany.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: They loved it. They still do. I saw a video
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of a dude in Germany like today showing his flee
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: circus off. It seems like very German thing to do,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you know, be trying to fleece, to pull the things.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Uh Andy Kaufman, sure, Um County Island and the Long
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Beach in California and New York City, Um, places like Blackpool, England.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Wherever there were circuses and freak shows and stuff like that,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you you might find a flee circus going on. Yeah,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and there's a dude named Andy Clark who's got one
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: going now. He's he's got his hands on nineteenth century
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: manual's magazine articles reviews of the real flee circuses, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: he's um recreating on my guess. But we'd be remiss
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to not mention Albert totally. Isn't that his name? Who? El?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Albert Tolato? Who was he? He was like the flee
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: circus guy, just the legend in the field. He was
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the chief flee circus dude. He go over in his house,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: he's got like fleas doing the dishes and pretty much
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: he's cleaning up after him. Uh so chuck flee circus
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: kind of hard to do. Most people just want to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: get rid of fleace, so there's some waste. Yeah, And
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned, I've had two major infestations, one in
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles where UM I could not find. Here's my advice,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this is off script. If you want to get rid
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of your fleas, try and find the source area, find
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the head fleet. Find the head fleet and take a meeting. UM,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: work out a negotiation between the two of you, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it should work out. No chariots. So find find your
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: source and and l A. I could not find my source.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: That was driving me crazy. And finally I was going
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I was outside. I thought, let me go in the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: yard and we had this uh sort of squirrel. Now
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it was a garage on the side of the house
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the dead squirrel and filled the dead squirrels and that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: was it. Um. And on the other side of the garage,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it was like two ft of space about fifteen ft
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: long between that and the fence. And that's just the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: place where nothing ever went, you know, and except the dogs. Yeah,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: except the dogs. And I was walking over there, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: what I do is I walk around the yard barefoot
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: if I'm looking outside, because yeah, that's the thing. Yeah,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you look down and see if they jump on you.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And I walked around the corner to this thing, dude,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and in five seconds I had probably a thousand fleas
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: just crawling all over me. Was it sandy over there
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: at all? It's kind of dirty and it was dank
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and dark? Yeah, yeah, just not like like I said,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it was not well traveled. And dude, I was like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: all right, this is it. And I did the thing
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I don't normally do, which has get a lot of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: chemicals and sprayed all over it. Did you set it
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: on fire? Set it on fire and it up and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: pooped on it? And that did it. Here's some of
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: my excrement fleas. And then I had a situation here
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta where I actually got it, had a guy
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: come out and spray um nematodes um instead of chemicals.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: You can apparently spray your basement and house and floorboards
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: with nematodes. Those are flatworms, right, yeah, they're living things
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: apparently that I guess. I would guess you have no idea,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: but that that worked. UM and I also use what
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: your overrun with nematodes. Now they were great. They left
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: sprinkle a little on your coffee. So there's some those
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: chemicals you mentioned, there's some pretty cool UM chemicals. Yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: there's some topical treatments that you can use on your animals,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: which they say they're safe. I try to avoid them
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just because I don't know. I just don't think that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: chemicals that seep into the skin of your animal is
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: ever good. No, I mean it's a great you make
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a good point, you know, Yeah, which I been forced
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to use them, which I hate. But if you could
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: control the fleas in the environment, you could conceivably not
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: have to use the chemicals on that. That's what the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: nematode guy said. He's like, I don't ever use that stuff.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: He said, you stop it before it starts. And it's like, well,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: good for you. You own you've got tons of nematodes
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in that can. You've got a fancy pants dog. But
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: when it comes to those topical things UM and I,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: g r s and set growth regulators, my favorite is
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the kitan synthesis inhibitor. Those that's mean it basically creates
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: mutant fleet soft fleas that never grow their exo skeleton right,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: which means they never developed fully, which means their toasts. Yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: which means they can be killed by dog scratches and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: bites and things. Uh. Those I g rs keep that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I mentioned keep fleas from hatching, uh because they mimic
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: flee hormones. Uh. And some of these things will kill
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: just the eggs, some kill adult fleas, some kill both.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You pretty much want something that kills it all. Yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you want to get the worst thing you can get
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: for the flea. So if you do have an infestation,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Tracy Wilson recommends some steps to take all at the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: same time. You don't want to do one or the other. Um,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you want to treat your pets and the dank area
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: between your garage and the fence at the same time.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You want to wash all of your pets clothing, all
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of their their betting being all that stuff. You want
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to wash it like five million times in the hottest water.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: You can probably with bleach if you can if you
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: can find it, which it's not that hard to go
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to the store. Um, you want to bathe your pet.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You want to use a fleet home yeah. Uh, you
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: want to get a vacuum a lot, a lot, like
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: every day. Really, she says, at least every other day.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Is that what you said, Well, I mean every day
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: if you really want to Yeah, I would recommend twice
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a day. Yeah, and not don't just vacuum and then
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: put it in the closet. If it's a canister or bag,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you want to empty that immediately outside. It's nice, you know. Yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And you want to chase squirrels away. Yeah. And there's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of stupid home remedies that say they work
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that don't. Um brewers, yeast, garlic, vitamin supplements, ultrasonic collars,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: flea collars, No, that stuff really works, trust me. Chance.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I got this one more thing on sand fleas. Did
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you read this and talk about sand fleas um are
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: found in tropical areas another in Florida, but mentioned the Caribbean, Well,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the South American South Africa. I think that they were
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: native to the Caribbean, I'm sorry, sub Saharan Africa, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: they were taken got to Africa by the in the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: slave trade. Actually, so that's how they spread, yeah, which
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: is just yeah. So if you've ever heard of chicos
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: or chiggers or jiggers, or niguas or peak quas or beachops.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: These are all names for the sand flea. Uh. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this lady was studying them, and she said, she's a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: PhD student named Marlene. Uh named Marlene, and she was
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: studying ways to prevent um tangy assis infection in Madagascar,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: which is spread by fleas, the sand fleas. And she said,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: how are these things reproducing? And she said, look, I've
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: got a flea and they host in the body. These
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: are different kinds of fleas actually root and into your
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: under your skin and live there forever. Yeah, So it's disgusting. Well,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: it's not just to extract them, right, it's not just
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: disgusting too. Once they move in and live there, and
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they'll actually they'll they'll move in as groups often um
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: they spend the rest of their life there. Over time,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: walking becomes painful, Eventually walking becomes impossible, and all of
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a sudden, there goes your livelihood. So apparently the this
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: article mentions that affects the poors to the poor. So,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: especially in Sub Saharan Africa, it's a real problem among
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: um the poverty stricken areas because you get a sand
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: flea in your foot, and that's it your toast. A
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: year later, pretty much so, she noticed that she had
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: one between her toes, and she said, you know what,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: let me just let it burrow and see what happens.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And she did, and it lived a lot longer than usual,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: uh two months, and she said it was still regularly
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: expelling liquid from its abdomen, but she never got any eggs.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: And the reason uh this happened, she learned, and they
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: now have a new theory cooking is because she put
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: a sock and a shoe over it and didn't let
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: any other fleas in there. So basically this flee never
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: had sex and so never laid eggs. And what they
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: theorize now is that these female fleas can basically lay
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: there in a waiting state for longer than they should
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: ever be able to live, waiting for a male flee
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to come around and fertilize the mature eggs. Science. Science,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: So now they think basically that this is the deal,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and they don't know quite how that's going to help
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: them with fighting it, but they do know that it
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: takes two to tango, for sure, in your foot, in
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: your foot having sex under your skin. And speaking of
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: sex and fleas, we have to mention the Autobiography of
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a Flea, which was an anonymous erotica book written in
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, like I think the eighteen eighties is
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: huge in London. Um, and it is about a flee
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that that tells the tale of a girl it's attached
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: to who becomes the sex toy of a bunch of priests.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: What autobiography of a flee? Uh? And uh, I guess
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that's it. You've got anything that can top the Autobiography
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of a Flee definitely not. Fan fiction is the ultimate.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So uh. If you want to learn more about fleas,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you can type the word fleas into the search bar
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. Since I said search parts,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: time for listener medal. Uh spoiler alert on this people.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: That says to do with movies that you may have
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: seen to stop the podcast now. That is so nice
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: if you don't want to be spoiled about Birdman in particular,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: which we've already talked about. Okay, guys, for the last years,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I've cringed and groaned every time you make an error
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: or sweeping statement about films. Chuck, you discussed gailmo Guillermo
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: del Paro as the director of The Orphanage, and he
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the making out that film.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I'm misspoke. It's The Devil's Backbone, which was about an orphanage.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Didn't he wasn't also directed by a Latin America No,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: but I was thinking of the Devil's Backbone, So he's right, Chuck.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: You also stated once that James Cameron has not made
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: any good film since The Terminator, to ignoring the fantastic
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: blend of comedy in action that his true lies. Oh yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that was pretty good. I didn't like it. That's why
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't mention it. Um. But when it comes to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: some movies that change milk filmmaking at strong suspicion, that
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: would be my first listener mail. So Josh's criticisms a Birdman.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: He he suggested first that the scene where Riggan confronts
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the critic represents the director's pulpitting to the critics. Um,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: he says, the critics who have attacked him, And he
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: says that can't be right because the guys in universal
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: praise for his movies. I'm sure he's been criticized potentially
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: unfairly in the past that's what I think. Uh. And
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the ending of Birdman, Josh, it is heavily implied, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: we had a bunch of people say to this, actually, Uh,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it is heavily implied earlier in the film that the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: type of psychosis he suffers from his daughter also shares
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the moment when he returns to the room to find
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: she returns to find that her father has gone out
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the window. We hear sirens indicating that he has in
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: fact jumped to his death in reality, but she looks
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: out the window and up to the sky, seeing a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: hallucinatory image. Um, he will now live on for her
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: as Birdman and no longer her never their father. Her
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: reaction is also strongly indicative of this, as her face
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: does not reflect that of a sane person seeing a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: human flying through the air, but instead of blissful ignorance.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: So I've heard that theory that she's she's you know,
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  Speaker 1: he did jump to her death and she's just like
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  Speaker 1: suffers a psychotic breakdown, or that he actually did kill
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  Speaker 1: himself on stage, and all of that last stuff is
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  Speaker 1: not reality. Whose reality is it? I don't know who cares? Uh.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: He also takes us to task on eight and a
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  Speaker 1: half being the birth of surreal cinema because that goes
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  Speaker 1: to own Chin and delou F, and that Citizen Kane
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  Speaker 1: was a genesis of dark lighting. Not so, because fil
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  Speaker 1: noir goes all the way back to the Cabinet of
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  Speaker 1: Dr Calla, Gharry and m this guy's fun to watch
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  Speaker 1: movies with and dude, this is the tame version he was.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Actually it was funny because he was kind of rude,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: but then he was like, I love you guys, so
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I think he want to wear your skin. I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: he was just being cheeky. Uh and also too, by
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the way, dialing for murder, that was anatomy of a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: murder that you were thinking of? From Auto premature I
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: looked for maybe not, but there was a movie called
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Anatomy of a Murder by dial M. Right, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's what you said, and I said, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: and then you kept talking and I looked it up
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  Speaker 1: and apparently some people didn't hear me correct and say, yes,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you were right about Hitchcock. I guess it was anatomy
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  Speaker 1: of a murder I was thinking of. Or there was
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  Speaker 1: one that was just called M that was also well
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  Speaker 1: m one and it was the first talkie to use
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  Speaker 1: m R as a wilder release, wide wide release, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that was premature, nor this correct. Uh, he said, this
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: email has already exceeded the link that moderate sanity would allow,
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  Speaker 1: and it was even longer. And disagree, sir, You're clearly
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: crazy from the first sentence. I'm just kidding. That is
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Travis Dukelo and he's a good guy. He just he's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a film buff and took it's the task. Thanks a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: lot of Travis. It wasn't too bad. We've survived worse,
• 38:50
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• 38:55
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• 38:58
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