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Guy Haberman talks NFL Australia experience, 49ers-Rams Recap, Packers & Broncos in TROUBLE? · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on everybody how are we doing john
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  Speaker 2: middlecoff three and out podcast hopefully you are doing well
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  Speaker 2: we've had uh Some good football reaction podcasts here from
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  Speaker 2: Sunday and then the Monday night game.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a lot going on today. A little curveball.
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  Speaker 3: My good buddy from growing up in Davis to calling
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  Speaker 3: 49er games, which he did in Australia, Guy Haberman. I
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  Speaker 3: actually was roommates with him when I lived at Fresno State,
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  Speaker 3: and he was hosting radio shows and I was working
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  Speaker 3: at Fresno State football. He went to Fresno State. And
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  Speaker 3: now he's living in the Bay Area. He's a young baby, 10-month-old.
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  Speaker 3: So we kind of had babies right around the same
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  Speaker 3: time he officiated my wedding. I've known him a long,
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  Speaker 3: long time. He's been on the pod before. And he
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  Speaker 3: just spent a week in Australia. So we'll see if
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  Speaker 3: he's recovered. And we'll talk to him about all things football.
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  Speaker 3: He knows college football really well. Did Big Ten games
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  Speaker 3: for years. Signetti, Dan Lanning, all those guys. And that'll
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  Speaker 3: be the game plan today. And we'll just keep humming along.
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  Speaker 3: all out, and we'll just keep humming along. Let's dive
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  Speaker 3: into Guy. Okay, back from the land down under. For
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  Speaker 3: those of you that don't know, this is a man
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  Speaker 3: that I've known for a long time. Davis Senior High School.
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  Speaker 3: Fresno State Bulldogs. He once got into an altercation. Altercation
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  Speaker 3: would be strong, but think Holly Rose, Arkeesian, Pat Hill,
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  Speaker 3: Guy Haberman on the sideline. I was the best man
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  Speaker 3: at his wedding. He officiated my wedding, and he called
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  Speaker 3: the Australian game. So what a world. What a world.
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  Speaker 3: Guy Haberman, how are you doing, buddy?
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  Speaker 4: Great to see you, brother. Great. Still recovering. I hope
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  Speaker 4: the Niners are recovering faster from the return from Australia
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  Speaker 4: than me. It sounds like they are, but I feel great.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good time. I could get used to
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  Speaker 4: 10.30 a.m. local kicks, actually. Did not think I would
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  Speaker 4: say that, but the sun was bright, and then you
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  Speaker 4: had the whole day afterwards.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good time. Well, as you also, what's Sammy?
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  Speaker 3: 10 months?
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  Speaker 4: 10 months, yep. Just a little older than Jack.
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  Speaker 3: So you spend, what, seven nights in a five-star hotel
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  Speaker 3: just by yourself in the hotel room? We left on
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  Speaker 3: a Wednesday, got.
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  Speaker 4: Back on a Friday. So, like, In America, it was
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  Speaker 4: like nine days. In Australia, it was seven days.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever get like thinking of crying, just coming
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  Speaker 3: and just kind of jolt you? Or after a couple
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  Speaker 3: of days, you're like, oh, I got to get used
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  Speaker 3: to this. Put your feet up and nice and quiet.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of times I woke up in Australia at
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  Speaker 4: like 2 a.m. there and Sam was like having his
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  Speaker 4: nap here. So I check in on him on the screen.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, he's napping.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to his little music and then go back to sleep.
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  Speaker 4: I did feel a little bit of guilt about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I did feel a little bit of guilt about it.
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  Speaker 4: Then I come home and I can't sleep and he's
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  Speaker 4: waking up and I'm not helpful. So it's like really, uh,
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  Speaker 4: it's like 11, 12 days that I'm actually not helping.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about you in Australia because, uh, you're voice
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  Speaker 3: of the Niners. I mean, you know, interim voice of
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  Speaker 3: the Niners.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. 49ers broadcaster.
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  Speaker 3: We, I think a lot of 49ers broadcaster, you, you, uh,
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  Speaker 3: called the game on radio. You, uh, You traveled with
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  Speaker 3: the team. I'm just kind of fascinated by Australia, just
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  Speaker 3: big picture. I've been to New Zealand when I was
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  Speaker 3: 12 years old. That was a long time ago. Are there, like,
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  Speaker 3: do you just have ESPN, like normal television shows? Do
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  Speaker 3: you have to use your iPad to watch, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for what you wanted to watch? Obviously the time zone.
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  Speaker 3: Just give me your rundown, non-football, just the Australian experience of.
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  Speaker 3: The food, the TVs, the time, the weather. Was it cold?
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  Speaker 1: Was it hot?
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of confused.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the end of their winter, so it
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  Speaker 4: was great walking weather. Like, you know, you get out,
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  Speaker 4: it's crisp. You get going a little bit, and it
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  Speaker 4: feels perfect. So it was like that. It rained one day, but, like, briefly.
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  Speaker 4: And then, you know, you walk through it. It was fine.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of like those Midwestern rains where it's like it
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  Speaker 4: just rains and it's done. The food was great. To me,
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  Speaker 4: it's a lot. It reminded me a lot of Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 4: of Chicago. People compared it a lot to London. I've
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  Speaker 4: never been to London. if you've been to London, but
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  Speaker 4: people compare it to London, San Francisco, like all those
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  Speaker 4: cities to me, it had like some of the old
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  Speaker 4: churches that are in great shape, like Philly. It had
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  Speaker 4: some all, a lot of architecture that was very modern,
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  Speaker 4: like Chicago. It was very walkable, like San Francisco, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the same, like, Oh, what's a good, you
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  Speaker 4: ask somebody what's good restaurant. They're like, Oh, go to
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  Speaker 4: this new Thai place, this new French place, this new
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  Speaker 4: rooftop bar, like the food you wouldn't know any different
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  Speaker 4: for the most part. Um, They are very proud of
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  Speaker 4: their coffee. They have a lot of it, like espresso shops,
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  Speaker 4: every like three on every block. Uh, the, the main thing,
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  Speaker 4: the biggest difference really is the driving on the other
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  Speaker 4: side of the road, which I didn't drive, but where
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  Speaker 4: it really messes with you is when you're walking and
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  Speaker 4: you are just, you realize how hardwired you are to
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  Speaker 4: step off a curb and look left and left is wrong, right?
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  Speaker 4: You need to look right. Cause the car's coming from
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  Speaker 4: the right and that I never got used to it.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought like several times, like I'm looking the
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  Speaker 4: wrong direction. And you think like, oh, you just look
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  Speaker 4: the opposite way, but that messes with you. TV. Let's see.
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  Speaker 4: We had the Seahawks game was on TV. A bunch
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  Speaker 4: of the college games were not on TV.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody turned it on for me.
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  Speaker 3: Got you.
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  Speaker 4: There is like you do have ESPN. You have Fox,
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  Speaker 4: but it's like Fox footy. So it's like Australian rules football,
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  Speaker 4: and there's like a lot of cricket.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not.
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  Speaker 4: I think ESPN was the same. If there was a
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  Speaker 4: college game on ESPN, I could watch it because I
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  Speaker 4: remember I watched Cal. But like a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: other games I couldn't watch. And then the streaming doesn't
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  Speaker 4: quite work because YouTube TV doesn't work there because it's
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  Speaker 4: geo-fenced or something. So it was tough watching college football.
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  Speaker 3: So you couldn't stream like your streaming services or Netflix?
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  Speaker 3: Not all of them.
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  Speaker 4: I used the VPN for Peacock so I could watch
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  Speaker 4: any college game that was on NBC like the Apple Cup.
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  Speaker 4: I watched Washington State. But yeah, it was challenging.
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  Speaker 3: It was not great. but it's like coming up at nine,
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  Speaker 3: Greg Norman's greatest highlights coming up at 10, the all blacks,
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  Speaker 3: 1997 championship. So you might know the answer to this.
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  Speaker 4: Cause I asked the guy like, who's the greatest Australian golfer.
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  Speaker 4: And they're like, well, Greg Norman. Okay. And then they
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  Speaker 4: were like, well, there's this other guy who won like
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  Speaker 4: six British opens, but didn't play in the U S
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  Speaker 4: a lot. And they were like, you know, cause the
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  Speaker 4: boat ride was long. I was like, well, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it took two weeks. He didn't play in the U
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  Speaker 4: S much, but he won six British opens. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: How long is the boat ride from Australia to get
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  Speaker 3: to the UK? They said it was two weeks. They
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  Speaker 3: said it was two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, to the UK? I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I ended up watching the NFL, the Seahawks game. I
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  Speaker 4: sat next to a guy. His name is Cliff Riley.
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  Speaker 4: He's 99 years old. He was in World War II
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  Speaker 4: and in Korea and was like an old Australian– football
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  Speaker 4: he was about to go play nine holes of golf
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  Speaker 4: and he goes this uh this is the most uh
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  Speaker 4: american football i've ever watched in my life it was
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  Speaker 4: like he'd watch two minutes of the seahawks game he's
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  Speaker 4: like there's a lot of stopping because their football doesn't
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  Speaker 4: stop like it's great there's some of their stuff it's
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  Speaker 4: awesome like.
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  Speaker 3: It just is that like rugby meets soccer is that.
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  Speaker 4: What yeah because they kick it through the uprights and
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  Speaker 4: that's worth six and then if you go outside the
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  Speaker 4: uprights to the outer uprights it's worth one but that's
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  Speaker 4: why the end of you saw the referees do the
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  Speaker 4: little symbol for the field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I was to Rico mentioned that was to Rico.
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: Oh no. I an Eagle or no Eagle or one Eagles. No.
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  Speaker 3: Do you see him walking around? They, they, I saw
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  Speaker 3: him at the, you know, he was standing the opening shot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Luke Keighley is a hall of first ballot
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  Speaker 3: hall of fame, middle linebacker. Who's also, you know, some
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  Speaker 3: linebackers are, Ray Lewis, I think 5'11, 6 feet, not
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  Speaker 3: even 6 feet, shade under. Luke Eakley's legitimate, like 6'4, right?
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  Speaker 3: Did you see him walking around?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't see him in person, no, but I did
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  Speaker 4: see Noah.
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  Speaker 3: He is huge. Yeah, so they didn't have him on
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  Speaker 3: a stool, so when they come to the shot, he's
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  Speaker 3: at like his, you know, his rib.
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  Speaker 4: There's only so much you can do. You got to
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  Speaker 4: lean on the desk. Sometimes you do a desk lean,
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  Speaker 4: and that somehow works it. But I didn't see Luke.
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  Speaker 4: I was hoping to see Luke. I mean, Fred's tall.
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  Speaker 4: Fred Warner is a tall middle linebacker. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he's not 6'4, but some of those dudes are just...
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  Speaker 4: Some of the Australian footy guys are big, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw some Grant Cohen. He's pretty entertaining on
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  Speaker 3: the seven-day trip going to different things.
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  Speaker 4: He became a celebrity.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Grant put on a performance. You had David
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  Speaker 3: Lombardi getting into it with the Rams president, which, like...
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  Speaker 3: Was that a subtle– like if you're the Niners, you
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  Speaker 3: have that guy, and I get he's making fun of Lombardi,
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  Speaker 3: which we all can do about some of his tweets,
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  Speaker 3: but he's also in a weird way taking a shot
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  Speaker 3: at Purdy. I'm like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, bringing Purdy into this.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing with them getting a slow– you guys
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  Speaker 3: were there forever.
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  Speaker 4: Forever. Forever.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I don't give the guys that much credit.
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  Speaker 3: They're bored just kind of going around early. They weren't
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  Speaker 3: really doing like the ambassadorship as the week went on.
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  Speaker 3: But they kind of got a lot of credit for
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  Speaker 3: like carrying the day. It's like, well, yeah, they were
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  Speaker 3: just walking around going to stuff. But the Rams weren't
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  Speaker 3: doing that.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, I'll let you finish.
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  Speaker 3: And just like the way that whole week played out.
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  Speaker 3: Did you feel like were you going to practice every day?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to practice. We got there. They did
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  Speaker 4: a walkthrough. There were a bunch of kids there.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 4: The players aren't going out doing the watch parties and
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  Speaker 4: the pom-pom stuff and all that. that. But to me,
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  Speaker 4: they're doing enough. They go out on an off night.
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  Speaker 4: They go out. You'd see a guy walking around if
• 10:06
  Speaker 4: they had some free time. Not that I had a ton.
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  Speaker 4: You never saw Kyle outside of the hotel. But then
• 10:11
  Speaker 4: they would interact with the media. To me, it was
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  Speaker 4: very Super Bowl-y. And The guys would do media sessions
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  Speaker 4: every day, and so they'd hear the questions from an Australian,
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  Speaker 4: and the questions were different, kind of Super Bowl-y questions
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  Speaker 4: like big picture, what's it mean to be here? You'd
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  Speaker 4: hear the accent. I did think it wasn't just about sleep.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't just about hydration. It wasn't just even about
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  Speaker 4: like we don't talk about in pro sports. You know this.
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  Speaker 4: We don't talk about– I guess the Eagles used to
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  Speaker 4: go away to camp. for a week or two and
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: like stay in dorms or whatever. But like that stuff
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  Speaker 4: doesn't really happen in pro sports. You just all spend
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  Speaker 4: a week together.
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  Speaker 3: It's rare.
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  Speaker 4: We don't talk about team building really in college sports anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Cause those teams are kind of built at the last second.
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  Speaker 4: But I did think there was like some, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know how you quantify it value for these guys, just
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  Speaker 4: spending a week together where it's just them all together
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  Speaker 4: in the hotel on the boss, on the plane, on
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  Speaker 4: the boss, on the boss, like doing all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And I did think by the time the game rolled around, um,
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  Speaker 4: The Niners didn't practice in that stadium. Neither team practiced
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  Speaker 4: in that stadium before the game. But I think everyone
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  Speaker 4: would think probably they'd been by the stadium on the bus.
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  Speaker 4: I bet everything just felt a little familiar to them
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  Speaker 4: in a way that I just imagined myself arriving the
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  Speaker 4: day before. Everything would feel so unfamiliar. And I think
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  Speaker 4: things probably felt a little more familiar to them. And
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  Speaker 4: that's worth something. I don't know how many points you
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  Speaker 4: put on the point spread for that. But I think
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  Speaker 4: just feeling like I've been in this place and I
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  Speaker 4: kind of get it. Is worth something. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't do a ton, but they did enough, I thought,
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  Speaker 4: to like kind of feel like they knew they were
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: It was not like, oh, we could be in any
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  Speaker 4: country right now. They knew they were in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Well, before we dive into just like how it played
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  Speaker 3: out and moving forward, what it looks like. They you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned this to me because my theory was I think
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  Speaker 3: they're going to do this every year moving forward. And
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  Speaker 3: there's a multiple year deal like this is happening.
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  Speaker 4: They have at least two more Australia. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if it's next year, but they have at least two
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  Speaker 4: more Australia games. That's three years in a row. The
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  Speaker 4: league has started right with an international game week one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Brazil and you go much farther than. Yeah, you can
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  Speaker 3: go much farther because it's like a built in time
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  Speaker 3: built game. To me, Australia, clearly, I know it for
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  Speaker 3: more golf. And my dad used to go to New Zealand,
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: so it's like the Australian rugby, or I mean, New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand was, I guess, the All Blacks. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: who the Australian top team is, but they clearly love sports, right?
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  Speaker 3: But football is so dramatically different, because like you said,
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  Speaker 3: the footy, or what's it, is it the AFL?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Australian Football League, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's 80 minutes, but there's no, someone asked me, someone
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  Speaker 3: DM'd me from Australia. They're like, We're not used to
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  Speaker 3: the breaks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so what do you guys in America do
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  Speaker 3: during the breaks? I'm like, I don't know. Just take
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: a look at our phones. Snacks. Yeah. Phone. Just kind
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  Speaker 3: of sit there and just talk. If you're watching, you
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  Speaker 3: talk about the game. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That's why we have red zone.
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  Speaker 3: You don't even think about it. You do not think
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  Speaker 3: about it. Right. It's just the football flow. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we're a football country. You're just used to it. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, World Cup was happening. Hell, we even, what
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  Speaker 3: forward Fox do, water breaks. You know, we like our advertisers.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that Australia sure looked, even Kyle mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: it was sold out and packed before they even kicked off.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, that's not normal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like during warmups. So it's, is this something like, could
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  Speaker 3: they do this every single year? Like, was it cool enough?
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  Speaker 3: You've been in a million stadiums in your life, college
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  Speaker 3: and pro. Sure seemed like it worked on TV.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it did. I watched it back, and it looked
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  Speaker 4: like it worked on TV. It felt on TV like
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  Speaker 4: it felt there. And like I said, have you been
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: to a Super Bowl game? I've been to Super Bowl weeks.
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  Speaker 4: I've never been to a Super Bowl game.
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  Speaker 3: I went to the one Cam Newton-Payton Manning game.
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  Speaker 4: Here?
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  Speaker 3: At Levi's.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In 16.
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  Speaker 4: Not a great game, but it was.
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  Speaker 3: No, pretty terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Pretty terrible. It felt to me like I would want
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  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl to feel. Like the flyover, multiple anthems... Everybody,
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  Speaker 4: 100,000 people singing the Australian National Anthem. I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: how many people were locals. And people bought tickets from
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: 38 different countries. But once the whole stadium is singing
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: the Australian National Anthem, that kind of tells you where
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  Speaker 4: most people are from.
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  Speaker 3: But they have F1.
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  Speaker 4: They have an F1 event there every year. They have
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: the Australian Open. They have a tennis major there every year,
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: which is played not far from where the Rod Laver
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Court is. It's like across the street from where the
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: Niners practice. they have like all these athletic facilities right
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: next to each other. They, they're very proud of their
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: cricket and their footy. They're going to have not in Melbourne,
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: but they're going to have Olympics in 2032 Brisbane. Right.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: So like, yeah, between F1 every year, a U S
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: excuse me, a tennis major every year. Like, I think
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: they feel like they're a big sport town and it
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: feels like it, like the stadium has a hundred thousand
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: people that has 600 parking spots. So it is, you know,
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: it's a stadium built for public transit and for people walking.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: It's just built for fun. Like it's surrounded by grass.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: So you can do all kinds of fan events. You can,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: it's like, it's, it's really cool. They got great tram
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: and train system. And I think the way the NFL
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: views it, I hadn't talked about this probably since high school,
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: but they, they're talking about the, the Asia Pacific region.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Like this is the gateway to the Asia Pacific region.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: So they feel like they're getting people coming to this
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: game from that region that would, go to a game
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: in another, you know, in America. So I guess the
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: question is like, where could they go next? But yeah, they're,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: they have the, the Seahawks have rights there. The Raiders
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: have rights there. The Rams have rights there. There's a
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: Seahawks bar. Like I walked by a bar that was
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: just a Seahawks bar. Did not see a Raider bar,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: but did see one Raider logo and two Raider fans.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: So like there are people that get it, you know,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: I think from like a fantasy, I'm sure they play
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: fantasy football. But they're into it. And then I just
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: felt like the Niners, they felt seen. I think the
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: people of Melbourne felt like they were given their due
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: and that their town wasn't just used, but they were
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: the hosts. So it was really positive. We interviewed Goodell
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: before the game. He was fired up about it. He
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: thought it was a big success.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: You talked to him?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we interviewed Goodell before the game. Listen to this.
• 16:41
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• 16:44
  Speaker 4: of you may remember, like he did Fox forever. I
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: think he's one of the best analysts period of football.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: He's a Niners radio analyst. The day before, they're like,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: you guys are going to talk to Roger. I'm like, Tim,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: T-Rock is whatever it calls. He's a massive man. Like T-Rock,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: you know Roger? He's like, oh yeah, bro. I was
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: there when he birdied his first birdie at Cypress. Like
• 17:04
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• 17:08
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• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Tim played for the Bears, played at USC All-American.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: He was a big-time dude.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I work out with a guy from San Jose who's
• 17:17
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• 17:20
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• 17:23
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• 17:32
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• 17:34
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  Speaker 3: regulated exchange and clearing organization. So did Goodell come up
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: to the booth or did you get on a headset
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: down there?
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: No, we just were down on the field with him.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: It was cool. Off the record or like an actual interview?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: We recorded the interview.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: He was doing a bunch of like Australian media too.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: He was having, he was having a great time.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Do you think like, cause when you're there, sometimes it's like, um,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: this happens a lot in golf. you know, like the
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: AT & T Pebble Beach Pro-Am, you're like, this tournament's like,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: if you're just watching it on TV, like, what's the
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: point of this? Then if you go to the event,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: you're like, God, this event's sweet. When you're at the event,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: sometimes event can feel really important. And then you read
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: about things like, ah, why are we doing this? Or
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: there are not as many people who watch, but when
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: you're there, you're like, this is incredible. Obviously these international events,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: like they're never looking back. And clearly if you're selling
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: out a hundred thousand people in Australia, they sent the
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Niners in the fucking Rams. They're not sending the Jags
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: and the Cardinals. Actually, the Jags are actually good now
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and the Cardinals big win. So it's, that's a needed shot.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: But that's an old shot from when Thursday night football started.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: You'd be like, oh, the Jags again.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Brad Nessler. Do you understand? Do you have a different
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: perspective on international play and the international expansion, having lived
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: it for seven days? Well, the London games are weird, right?
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Because a lot of times those games would be on
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: at like 6.30 a.m., so it's easy to skip them.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: The Mexico City games are on usually a Sunday. I think,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: are we a Monday night? No, we're a Sunday regular game.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Niners go to Mexico City this year to play the Vikings.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: On Sunday night football?
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: No, I think it's a Sunday. I could be wrong
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: about that. Let me check. I think it's just a
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: regular Sunday game. Those used to be like a Sunday night. Oh,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: it is Sunday night. Yeah, it's Sunday night. So we
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: go to Dallas and then just stay in Colorado Springs
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: for a week and then go to Mexico City. But
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: to answer your question, what's funny is it feels like
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I saw a family walking down the street the day
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: before the game. a dad, three kids, all in a
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: different jersey, like Justin Jefferson, Joe Burrow.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. They show the stands. Are they handing
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: these out?
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: No, no, no. I think these people just get everybody.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: I'm a fan of a team or a player. Here's
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: my one shot to go to a game. I'm wearing
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: my jersey because I heard that's what it's like in
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: London a lot too. It's like when you go. It's
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: not just like Niner fans, Rams fans. It's just like
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I'm a football fan. This is my one shot to
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: see a game, but I'm wearing my squad. So that's
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: what happened.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: See, I assumed that they found people that were going
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: to the game and they have like, here's a TJ
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Watt jersey. Here's a CD lamb jersey. You know, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: think you don't think that happens. No, here's a Drake majors.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Here's a Baker Mayfield.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: These people. Cause I remember being like, if you think
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: back to being eight or nine or 10, I had
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: a Montana, I had a Young, but I also had
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: a Randall Cunningham and a Dan Marino. I think that's
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: a lot of people. The world's fans are just.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you were eight.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Some of these people they're showing are 50-year-olds. Yeah, but
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: they might as well be eight when it comes to football.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: They haven't been to an NFL game before. They haven't
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: really been watching it that long. They don't have deep roots.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Their dad wasn't an Eagles fan or a... Bill's fan.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I just think like these jerseys are cool. These fans,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: they just star.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Players, my homes.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think they're giving them out. I think
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: these are just like, I'm a football fan and I'm
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: going to a game. And I saw this family. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: felt like I was at the pro bowl. Like they just,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: everyone's wearing their jerseys. And you can tell, like they
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: don't exactly know when to cheer.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Always.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: There's this video that's playing on the video board before
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: the game. Like, well, four, three defenses when there's four
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: down line, it's like trying to teach the game to people.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: It's like, Just tell them to like third down and
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: get loud. Um, but they don't want to like a
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: touchdown school, you know, like, and they go crazy for that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: And they were singing songs, like all the songs they
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: were singing and they start throwing the paper airplanes. Like
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: it was, it was really cool. So I, I, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I thought that you feel like that came through on TV.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I felt like it did when I watched it back.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I mean, it definitely felt, it just popped.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: You're right. It had a, it had a Superbowl. It
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: had a, um, You know, bowl games that were cool.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It had it had a unique event. Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And it was I've always now part of it, like
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: you said, we're on the West Coast, the morning, any
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: 630 a.m. kickoff. And it's historically always felt like the
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: worst teams or bad teams going over. It's just awful game.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: It's an easy one to skip. Obviously, primetime, there was
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: a vibe in that stadium that I don't think I've seen.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I guess there's been the Brazil game. They've had other
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: night games, Mexico City night game. Did the Niners play
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: a Monday Night Football game on Mexico City?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: The Niners were a long time ago, right?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the first couple years of Kyle, I think.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: The Rams and Chiefs were supposed to go over that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: one year, and the field was really shitty, and they
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: went to the Coliseum. Like, if it's primetime Monday Night
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Football or Sunday Night Football, it does feel cool. But
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: most of the– like, I associate London with 6.30 a.m. kickoff.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I associate Brazil, Australia, Mexico primetime. And those feel sweet.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, that Mexico– remember the Mexico World Cup game?
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Whoever– they were playing– who were they playing?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: They were playing England.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Was it Argentina? I think they lost to England, right?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Mexico lost to England.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're talking them.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm talking the World Cup game.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Mexico had, like, back-to-back, like, Sweet 16, Elite Eight games.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: It's like, this feels like LSU at night right now.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: This place is lit. And Australia just had, like, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: wouldn't say that crazy, but it did kind of have
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a vibe. Just really far away. I mean, you guys played.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: What time did your alarm go off?
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Well, it did probably, like, 5. But I was waking
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: up at 4.30 anyway. I thought to your point that
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: 10.30 a.m. would be a problem. I thought it would
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, this does not feel right. And it
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: felt fine. Maybe because the sun was out. Like the
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: sun was blaring from the time we got to the
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: field basically. So maybe that's why I felt that way.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: But I thought 10.30 a.m. would feel weird. Everyone's like, no,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: we practice at 10.30. It will be fine. But I
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: still thought it would be weird. But it wasn't, at
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: least not for the Niners.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: It was weird for– I mean the Rams. I mean
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: it was just an all-time.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: So Tim Kawakami, who covers the Niners, kind of thinks
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: the Rams kind of punked it on the game. Do
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: you think that? Or do you think they just thought,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: we think we're doing it the right way. There's no playbook.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: We've done it for London.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: It's worked. I truly believe that they sent those like
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: a pro scout, a training staff guy, like different iterations
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: with whoops on. They're like, ah, look at them. They're fine.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: which maybe one of the guys they had go on
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: like a 10 mile run around the city, just see
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: what his, what his body was like. I would, I
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: would imagine one of the guys they sent, they had
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: some sort of physical activity involved because it was just
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: me and you. It was like, you're going there. Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to go get one of these sweet
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: coffees and eat a croissant. Like what do you, you know, I, I, yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I just think that, uh, They were told they were
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: playing there. You don't get to choose whether you're international
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: or every year. You're told you're an international team. Clearly,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: no one wants to do it. The coaches.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: No coaches are volunteering.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: No coaches volunteering. I truly believe they thought that was
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the best. And Which is crazy. You see, Jordan Mailata
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: was asked about it last week. He's like, that's nuts.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: John McEnroe's like, yeah, I've played over there 40 times.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Or I've been over there 40 times. That's insane. You
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: could make the argument, did Kyle need to go that long?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: But if you're going to go for the whole week,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you don't want to go in the middle of the
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: week because you lose a day. Also, being there for
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: three days is going to feel worse. I think if
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: they go back next year, both teams are going to
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: go for seven days. Which is great for the league.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: That's where I think the league... everyone's going to copy
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: the Niners now. So if you're the league, you just
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: go back to Australia. You have both teams there for
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: seven days. That is a lock.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A lock.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they can quite mandate it, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I think Roger Goodell will, will suggest strongly, especially now
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: that it looked the way it looked. And by the way,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: like the Niners and Rams have played a lot of games.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: The Niners have won seven of eight away from home
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: against the Rams. Like these two teams, sometimes one of
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: them beats the other one, 28 to seven. Like it
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: has happened, right? Like that game could have happened at SoFi. Um, but, Yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: it just, it felt like the result of that, if
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: that game had been 27-24, I don't know how you pick,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: but if it was going to be a blowout one
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: way or the other, that team's, the way they did
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: it was going to be what gets copied.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: What's it like traveling with the team? Like, you get
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: your own seat, you know, like a first-class seat. It
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: was a double-decker plane.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: It was a big plane, the Airbus A380, which is
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: going out of commission soon. They're going to stop flying
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: this thing in a couple of years, I think. Um,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: so a lot of the players, like the good, like
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the big seats are up on the top on the
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: second level. The coaches are up there there. Kyle said
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: he had to like divvy up. There's not like enough
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: lay flats for everybody. So he divvied them up based
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: on like seniority of, of starters basically. And so, well,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: he started with size starter, the biggest starters, I think. Um,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: and probably to give one to Mike Evans. Cause Mike
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: said he came here cause he heard they have good travel. Um,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: and then, we normally don't fly in a double decker,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: but you just take more people on a plane like this.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: So for this flight, it's on the bottom row, it's,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: it's three by four by three across, right? So like
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: one person had three on the window, one person had
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: four in the middle, one person had three on the
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: next window. So we each got our own row. So
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: you could lay down, which makes a big difference. Like
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: being able to just not being right next to somebody
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: on a 14 hour flight makes a big difference. So
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: you lay down that way. When we fly normally, it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: a United plane. That's, similar, like you don't need to
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: lay down. So each row, usually it's like two people
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: to a row so like in the middle Tim sits
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: on the end we have two empty seats between us
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: and then I sit on the other end and you
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: sit down there's a little little card with like the
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: meals although when you get on they usually if it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: not a sundae they give you you get chick-fil-a when
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: you get onto the plane no chick-fil-a on sundays Um,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: and then you can order, order, order, order food. What
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: you get on the snack, the unlimited snacks. Well, they
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: got Chick-fil-A to order, or they got like air airplane
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: food to order, depending on what the chef has cooked
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: up on the menu that day. And the unlimited snacks
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: is the problem. Like full size candy bars, full, you know, chips, drinks,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: ice cream, sour patch. I was like, you need gummies.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Like how about a pack of sour patch kids? I'm like, no,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: thank you. Dangerous. Uh, but it's, yeah, it's pretty good.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, And the best part is like leaving right
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: after the game. And when you leave right after the game,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: there's a spread. Somebody has catered the post game outside
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: the locker room. And in Vegas, it's in and out,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: which is pretty good. The two preseason games we've been
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: to Vegas, they do in and out after the game.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: So double doubles. Well, players get two double doubles each.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: They only give you one.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I can ask whatever I want, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I don't need two double doubles.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: So what was the flight home? 18 hours?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: That was like 14. Wasn't bad.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's not bad.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: No, the flight actually is not the bad part. You know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I think it's the, it's the like, not, do.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: You feel normal now? A week later? What is it?
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: A week later?
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: No, I got home Friday night. It's Tuesdays. We're talking.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: I think the move in hindsight is like tape, take
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: a sleeping pill that first night to make sure you
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: get through the night. I think that's the key. Make
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: sure you sleep like 11 hours that night, which I
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: did not. So it's taken me a couple of days,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: but I'm feeling good now. So, I mean, by the
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: time it's canceled today's, Well, today's Tuesday. They had a
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Monday practice. They canceled it. They're off Tuesday. So they'll
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: be back Wednesday, kind of like a normal week if
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: they had played on Sunday.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Do you think they canceled it because people were saying, like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: we still don't feel right? Well, I don't know.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: They weren't going to do it. They said they're not
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: going to practice Monday, and then for a minute they
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: were going to practice Monday, and then they canceled Monday.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: So it could be, yeah, that Trent and Haberman, Trent
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Williams and Haberman were both like, yeah, we don't feel
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: like going.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Okay. You know, one thing, it's like you
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: look around. I mean, the Rams, that was a devastating
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: weekend because they look like they just lost. So if
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: they punt the game, okay, you just lose a home
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: game to the 49ers. You lose Miles Garrett, who, one,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: to me, just looked physically a little fat, which makes sense.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: He hasn't really been able to practice. And again, fat's
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: all relative. When I say that, I just mean he
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: just looked out of shape, just body-wise. Now he's going
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: on IR with a knee. So you're losing Versus, who
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I Googled it the other day. Versus never missed a
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: game in his career. So one thing, yeah, he's not
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Miles Garrett sack-wise, but every single week for two years,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I think maybe he didn't start week one his rookie year,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: but from then on out, he never didn't start a game.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Very durable player. This guy's now just gone. We'll see
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: if Aaron Donald plays this week against the Giants. The
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Giants have a lot of momentum coming into this game.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're feeling pretty good about themselves. And here's
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: the other thing. Giants have a lot of pass rushers.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: You kind of see it with Stafford. You see it
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: with Goff. They just don't move. Sam Darnold's got a
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: pulled butt. The Packers are in a free fall. The
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Vikings don't have a quarterback. The Bears' defense, thank God
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: they might have the greatest offenses ever. Their defense is horrendous.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: The South, they don't have a win. I mean, the NFC,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: like the AFC, it was like, oh, yeah, the big
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: boys are back. Josh never really left, but Lamar and
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Patrick were like, yeah, we're back. And Joe Burrow was like, yeah,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: my defense is now good. We're back. Drake May, Bo Nix,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: shut the fuck up. Go to the side, please. You know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the AFC is going to be really hard. I mean,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you're going against some all-time great players. The NFC is
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: pretty wide open. Now, we'll see these injuries play out,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: but I just don't feel confident that Miles Garrett, I
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: think he's a total unknown all season. Same with Sam.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Once you get in-season.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Knee surgery, I think Sam, I saw Sam, not Sam, Matthew,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: had a quote somewhere along the way where he was
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: basically like, you know, I just got to be careful
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: when I, just like, got to make, just be cognizant
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: of my back when I pick my kids up.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Right? Like, it's just a constant management for him. I
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: don't think he's not hurt. It's just, He has to
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: constantly be careful, which of course he does. He's 37,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: 38 years old and he's been hit a million times.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: But it just tells you like you just walk in
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: a tightrope. And that's why when people would ask me
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: about the Niners, be like, you know, can they have
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: a chance? Like, of course they have a chance.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I think fans.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I left the Eagles out, too. You left the Eagles out.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: But they had 10 first downs.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I think you get so caught up on your own team,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: like your own team's weaknesses. At least I'll speak for
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: the Niners. Like, you know, little weak at safety, defensive
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: tackle as a whole.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I always said it like relative to college football where,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: you know, you'd watch a quarterback and like, God, I
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: don't think we're any good at quarterback. And then you
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: realize like, well, everybody hates their quarterback at the end
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: of the year. Like there's like four or five good
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks in college football that people really like. So everybody's
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: got a thing in the NFC. Like the thing we
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: don't talk about, I think the Seahawks are, I mean,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Mike's obviously an excellent head coach, but he's got a
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: new offensive coordinator with Brian Fleury and the defending champs.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: And sometimes that's good. And sometimes it's hard to be
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: the defending champs. So, I mean, I don't see.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: They got a good day. I feel better about like
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: that Seattle win. That was pretty impressive. The quarterback goes
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: out on the first drive. It was a culture. We
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: might not win it again, and hell, we might not
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: win 14 games, but you better fucking believe we'll win
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: it 10 or 11. Whether Cameron is playing quarterback, no.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And we're going to make you question your quarterback for
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: the next month, New England. Because that's what everyone's like, God,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: is this guy broken? It's like, no, Mike. And Mike
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: is incredible. I mean, that defense down the stretch of
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: that game was. Where the Rams, it goes, God, they're
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: dependent on A lot of weird– and they– listen, they've
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: been good, and they were great last year. But it's
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: like Aaron Donaldson's off the couch. Miles Garrett, you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: is just going to show up. And you just– football's
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: not like that. It's not like that at all. You know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: in baseball, you bring Miles Garrett, it's like the equivalent.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I just trade for Aaron Judge. Plug him and play him.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: If he's healthy, great. Football can be weird. It's like, well,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: is Miles Garrett the first guy in the building? Is he, like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: taking notes? You watch the highlights from Seattle– It's like, yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: when the wide receiver meeting comes out, Cooper Cupp just
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: goes to the quarterback room. And Sam's like, yeah, I
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: better know my stuff because he knows more than me.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: It's like they got a culture there. Where the Rams
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: got a little, it's like a little Daryl Morey to them. Like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: nothing matters. We'll just figure it out. I'm like, I
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Andy's had that at times over his career in Philly,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and it can burn you, no matter how great of
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a coach you are. And then you don't really do that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: And then you're the heavy favorites and you're on 60
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: minutes and you're, you're getting a lot of attention, but
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: heavy favorites.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: It looked like he regretted that. Like the moment he
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: sat down, he's like, I wish I would've told my
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: PR guy no on this one.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's basically sad.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You saw that clip where he's like, yeah, we
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: had a bad practice. I'm not really here.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I feel bad for you doing this interview, John Feinstein.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: How'd you, did you take that as like, he's trying
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: to show how much he cares or like, God, I, I'm,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: he's like speaking it out loud.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: I think he's speaking it out loud.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I think he's talking his thoughts out loud and trying
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: to explain why I'm being an asshole, but I'm not.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Cause I'm, you know, he's not, he's too much of
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: a pro to really be a jerk about it. But, um, yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: there's just, I don't know, man, you've said it. I,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: you and you have said this for years, what you
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: just said, plug and play. Like it's not a plug
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: and play league. Cause we used to talk about free
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: agency all the time. And, you know, I mean, you
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: were there for the dream team and like, uh, in Philly. Um,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: and it was just like, it's just, it's the same
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: every year. Now I'm not counting the Rams out, but like,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: you just can't crown teams before the season. Now also
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: week one's weird, right? Like that's the other part of it.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Week one is very weird, but like historically for the Niners, it's,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: it's not like they just kind of look, I feel
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: like the Niners generally look like the Niners look, whether
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: it's week one or week 12, Kyle's Niners. Um, And
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: it was a divisional game. Like, the Niners, as weird
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: as last year was, almost had a chance to be
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: the one seed last year because they beat the Seahawks
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: week one. They played them– I shouldn't say almost. The
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: week 18 game was not almost. Like, the Seahawks dominated them. But,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: you know, they're going to play Arizona now. And it'll
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: be interesting. Like, do they get– is Sam Darnold back
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: by the time the Niners play them? They play three
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: games in a row at home. So, week five, they
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: go to Seattle. Like, is Darnold back?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: You just giving them a win against Halfley?
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not giving them wins. I'm just saying you play Seattle.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: You know, is Darnold back?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not giving him a win against Halfley.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not giving him a win against LaFleur.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: We once were at practice, and there's this skinny, unassuming,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: little white guy with the DBs, and we both kind
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: of looked at each other and were like, who is
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: this clown? Like, what is this?
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Do you remember what I said?
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: What is this? No, what did you say?
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I remember saying to you, like, is Richard Sherman really
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: listening to that guy? Richard Sherman loves him. Yeah, Richard
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Sherman loves him. Loves him.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Kyle kept him from Chip Kelly's staff. He went on
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: to become Ohio State's defensive– his career, you know, it's–
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: he's really impressive. I mean, I'm a believer.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean, once he went to Boston College, I
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: was like, whoa.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just– you got to be very careful about
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: judging coaches' looks, I think, in college or pro sometimes.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: because you can see a guy I mean what Jeff
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Halfley at the time he looks like he's in a
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: little felt like he weighed 150 pounds and he's not
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: very tall and he's coaching the DBs it's like what
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: is and I you just you never know now the
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: you know some of the Kyle's guys or McVay's guys
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: they have certain names so it's like You don't discount
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: a Kubiak or something. But sometimes if you don't know
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: the guy's name, you're like, what? It's easy to see
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Robert Saldar D'Amico and be like, gosh, the guy looks
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: like a coach. And then you see Halfley, and all
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: of a sudden he's the head coach, gets a five-year,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: probably $ 30 million deal with the Miami Dolphins. They're actively
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: trying to lose. They have the youngest team in the league. But,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Packers are... I don't know how much
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: you saw that game. They are unraveling. There was like
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: a loud contingent of like, LaFleur, you're kind of in
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: a little trouble, buddy. Do you know what thought crossed
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: my mind earlier today? Someone forwarded me a sweet little
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: montage of Trevor Lawrence. He was playing the Browns, but still,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: he looked pretty good. And I was like, you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: if this was college, the conversation would be, are the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers going to go get Liam Cohen? Because
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers would be here, like LSU, Georgia,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Ohio State, and be like, they would go get Liam
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Cohen from the Jacks. Jacks fans are like, this is not,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I'm just speaking historic brands. If this was college, the conversation,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: if it hadn't started, it would really be like the
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Packers should be all over.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: But if this was college, wouldn't, wouldn't the cons have
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: more money than the Packers ownership or no?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I'm just talking like the, the, the blue blood programs
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: and stuff. Yeah. Maybe the Jags could be like Texas tech.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: And Liam would be like, I'd rather just... I have
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence here. He's every bit as good, if not better,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: than Jordan Love. I'll just stay. But that is a
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: conversation that would... It still grows in college, even when
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: guys turn it down. It just crossed my mind. If
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: you were Liam Cohen, in all things being equal, would
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: you rather be the head? Because I was thinking about this.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: You're just not going to get talked about that much,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: coaching that franchise. And there is a chance he is...
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: like not that much different than like ben johnson he
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: has trevor lawrence i don't know if you just saw
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: the highlight i mean he looked like he did he
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: looked incredible they look incredible i get they're playing the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: browns but it's like you just kind of fly under
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: the and this is the thing with lafleur he's like
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: 76 40 and one but he's the coach of the
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: green bay packers it's starting to get weird people are
• 42:02
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• 42:04
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• 42:06
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• 42:07
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• 42:10
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• 42:12
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• 42:14
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• 42:21
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• 42:24
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• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Not like now, but like in the future.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: They don't even have the picks now, do they?
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think they have the picks, no.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, didn't they just draft Ty Simpson?
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, I'm talking about in 2028, you know.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:42
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  Speaker 3: People are like, they are obligated? Where do you think
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the money comes from? From ESPN? It's like, I don't
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: think it's like... It just takes on a life of
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: its own. The sideline stuff. Just in terms of the interview,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: what they're obligated to do. Does Sark... Are they told
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: before the game who's getting interviewed? Is there just a
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: natural flow of... when you, with certain networks, when you talk.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Obviously in college, unlike the pros, you interviewed after the game.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: But like the halftime thing, which clearly pissed off Sark.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Then he freaked out. I wouldn't even say freak out.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Was just amped up, left. Hawley kind of threw a fit.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: And the whole thing has now become like, I mean,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: a pretty big story that Arch has to put out
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: an apology after the biggest moment of his life.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Usually they know. Usually there's an agreement ahead of the game. Like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: we'll do the leading team first. And then the trailing
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: team at halftime, or we'll do the leading team coming
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: off and the trailing team coming back out. Like after
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: the second half, clearly they were going to do the
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: leading coach Ryan day. And then the trailing coach Sark
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: at the half. And Laura Rutledge even said like a
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Sark was waiting a long time. And I knew on
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: post game, I'm like, this has taken a while. And
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: then when they got down to him and he stormed off,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: my first thought was like, I bet he's been waiting
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: a while.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I bet he'd been waiting.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: And like I know as the sideline reporter, you're like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: all right, I got coach.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I got coach. He's right here.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: And coach is like, you know, like coming out of
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: his skin. You remember like Dan Lanning last year at
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Penn State. He did the interview, but he was like
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: on another planet. So that's my guess. I haven't seen
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: anybody say how long Sark was waiting while Holly Roe
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: was there.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: The second time because he waited the first time.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: He waited the first time and left. And Laura Rutledge
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: even said like he was waiting a while, like basically
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: was like, hey, it's not his fault. We kept him waiting. Ideally,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: maybe you can record it. while the other one's live
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: and then play it back. But that becomes complicated. But
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: so I don't know why. Sometimes the camera takes a
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: while to get there. So like the interviewer is there
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: and Sark is there. And I don't know if this
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: would happen, but the camera has to find them. And
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: that sometimes can be a challenge because it's not the
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: reporters like I see Sark makes a beeline for Sark.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: But the camera guy's got to get there somehow with
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: his camera. There's students everywhere. So a lot of times
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: that's what actually slows you down. You can start the
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: interview and just shoot it from somewhere else. from a
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: different camera. Like that's what, why wouldn't the camera.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Guy just run out with the sideline reporter?
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Well, sometimes they're, yeah. I mean, ideally they're together and
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: they go together, but the sound reporter can just move quicker.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Usually the camera has got the camera and someone with
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: them with the cord running the cord behind them. That's
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: my guess. I don't know, but like sometimes start going,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: it starts going to be on the near side 30
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: by the tunnel. It's like, yeah, but then that's not
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: how it happens. So maybe the silent reporter goes and
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: grabs him at half midfield and then tries to walk
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: with them. So there's a lot of ways that can go, sideways.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I do think like in a big game, I still
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: like to hear from the winning coach. I still think
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: there's a value. You just, you know, five out of
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: 10 times, five out of 10 times, it's whatever, but
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: five out of 10 times, it's like, I've seen PJ
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Fleck in Minnesota's interviews are always great. Harbaugh's always Harbaugh.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Have you met Jake Harbaugh?
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: He brings the next guy.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Dabble had the legendary bring your own guts early on
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: in his run.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: In those moments, you got it. Like I still want it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Cause the coach is on another planet and I want to,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: especially that game was a crazy comeback. So yeah, but, uh,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know. His life biggest, right.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: It's the biggest win of Sark's life. So, I mean, Sark,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: everyone was shitting on him and he has to be
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: thinking at halftime. It kind of crossed my mind of like, God,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: he went nine and three. They're stroking these huge checks
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: for this roster, which, By all accounts, they have the
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: most expensive roster, more in Oregon, more in Ohio State.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: He's making a ton. The pressure, this game's at home.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: In a halftime, it felt like they were going to
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: lose 50-15 or something. If 15, I don't even know
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: if it was on the table, like 50-7. I guess
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: they had three, so 50-6. It could have got ugly.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: We're talking like $ 55 million when we talk about the
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: biggest rosters, right? That's the neighborhood we're talking about. It's
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: hard to confirm exactly all the numbers, but. did they say?
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: The Chiefs left tackle last night, the kid from Indiana,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: the undrafted free agent. His, you know, an undrafted free agent,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: it's just a, it's it's a set price right there's
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: no negotiating I think he's making assuming he stays on
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: the team the entire year like less than nine hundred
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars I bet there's a pretty good chance there's
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: not one starting offensive lineman for Sark that makes makes
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: that doesn't make more than the Chiefs starting left tackle
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: on Monday Night Football yeah.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: With probably a backup left tackle making more too right 100%.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: So, I would have liked... Anyway, I mean, I... Yeah,
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: I think for Arch, too. Like, I've been a big
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Arch guy. I don't know if you were a big
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Arch guy even last year. Like, I think Arch is.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I'm rooting for the guy, the player.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: You're not sure?
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: I gotta be fair. I mean, he seems like a
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: great kid. You want to root for him, but it's like...
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I just watch him. He doesn't look that good at football.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: And even in that game, balls... Because we're crapping on
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: all these guys, and I would say one thing's pretty consistent,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: from J.J. McCarthy to Bryce Underwood, Mateer in that game
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: against Bryce Underwood. It's like, if you just accurately can't
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: throw a ball, like Mahomes was a little off last night,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: for sure. Rusty had some weird passes. But he also,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: just on a lot of layups, like the wheel route,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: which the Chiefs will hit in his sleep, and the
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: guy in stride, like the touch pass to him, His
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: game is not as much power anymore as it is, like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: you watch Josh Allen. He's really more, like, when he
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: gets playing, I mean, his game last night was average, but, like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: he's more of a touch player and a timing player.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: And I just watch Arch, and again, he's young, he
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: hasn't played that much football, but, like, I don't see,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of similarities with John Mateer and Bryce Underwood. Now,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: he did have some balls in that game that he missed,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: guy dropped and bounced off him as a pick. He
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: had another guy in the end zone. So it wasn't
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: all his fault, but you know, he said, I wouldn't
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: say he's the number one overall pick, which I just
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: see a lot. I think, I don't know if they're
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: like trying to suck up to the Manning family or something.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, I guess I don't think they care,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: but I don't know. There's just weird. I mean, look
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: at the all off season, Adam, like the number one
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: pick in the draft. I, You've done so much college football.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Most college players... I've been thinking about this for a
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: couple years now. If you play a position and you
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: become Jeremiah Smith or Malachi Toney or elite players in
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: different positions, you could have an awful season the year
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: you're going to go into the draft. And if you
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: were viewed as like the fifth pick, you end up
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: going like 30. Or you end up going 26. Like
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs last night, Peter Woods from Clemson, he was like,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: coming into the year last year at Clemson, he was like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: this guy could be a top five pick. Awful year,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: goes 28. At quarterback, it's kind of the opposite. It's like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: this guy's going to be really good. Then you play bad,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Nussmeyer goes seventh round. Drew Aller at one point in
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: time after they made the final four, I was like,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Drew Aller, this guy can really figure it out, top
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: 10 pick. People thought they were crazy for taking him
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: in the third. And it can go the opposite way.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Carson Beck, undraftable, has an incredible playoff run, ends up
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: going in the third round. Quarterback, to me, you've got
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: to produce and play well. Maybe his name, I'm underestimating
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: that with owners. But I would say based on his
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: play right now, he's not a top ten pick if
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: you're trying to compare it to like the other sweet
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: top 10 picks over the course of the last decade plus. Yeah.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, he'll have, in theory has a playoff and
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: you can make a lot of money right in a playoff.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: Cause you're playing two or three of.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: The best run, a lot of runway left for sure
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: in the country.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Um, but if you don't like, I think Cam Ward
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: was a guy, Cam Ward was an interesting case. Cause
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: he was like up before we went to Washington state,
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: then down, then like back up, then up, up at Miami.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Because I think if he had come out the year
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: before Miami, he was gonna be like a third round pick.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: People were saying, right.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Out of Washington State.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Out of Washington State, yeah, before he transferred.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Which makes sense. Didn't he dabble? He put his name
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: in the draft, but he was also in the transfer
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: portal type thing.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think before he got to Washington State,
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: his stock was super high. People were like, this guy,
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: because it was Eric Morris' offer.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Incarnate word.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: No.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Was it Eric Morris? Eric Morris and the guy from,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: he had two OCs. Eric Morris was like his head coach,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: and he had an OC also. But then he was
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: kind of inconsistent. I just think for a quarterback, it's
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: always like your last year. What does your last year
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: look like? Who knows what? We were talking about Trey
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: Lance the other day. Like if Trey Lance had transferred
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: up before he got drafted to Oklahoma or something. Sorry,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: I was thinking of Mateer. Mateer and a coordinator went
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: to Oklahoma, and Eric Morris was also at one point,
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I think, Cam's OC or head coach or something like that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: There was like a bunch of crossover from those guys.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Mateer. I want to say his major Apple white, but
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: it's a, it's, it's something else is his OC went
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: with him to Oklahoma.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: And it's just, but again, like, I don't think it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: the play. Like some guys just aren't like material was
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: horrendous in that game. And it wasn't, he just misplays
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: because he has no, this was the Trey Lance thing.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: This is a lot of JJ McCarthy thing. It's like
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: when you just don't have touch, like it is more
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: important to have touch. That's what was so impressive. Like
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Jackson darts Sunday night. It's like, A lot of these
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: guys have the physical skills, but like the touch plays,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: the giving each guy a chance, occasionally hit them when
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: they're covered. It's like, oh, Jackson's the best game he's
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: ever played. What was that? I know.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: I remember, you remember a few years ago, I charted
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: every 49ers training camp throw because there was this like
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Trey Lance for Sam Donald was a thing and I
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: was bored. And it's true if you look at PFF,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: like the vast majority of throws, PFF grades quarterbacks on
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: a negative two and a half to positive two and
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: a half scale. And I think, I don't know exactly,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: but it's like two or two and a half. Those
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: are what they call big time throws. And if you
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: look at PFF under BTT, big time throws, two years ago,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: like basically your leader every year is going to have
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: like 45 to 53 or somewhere in those range, big
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: time throws. So it's basically like three a game are
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: the big time crazy throws. The rest of the throws
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: that really matter, most of them, are like the zero throws,
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: which are the layup throws that you're talking about. And
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: like the plus one throws that are just like, the
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: crossers where you hit the guy on the numbers and
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: he's open. It's nothing crazy. Like I think the guys
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: that really make a career, it's why I think Brock
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: really any starting quarterback, I think most of these backups
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: can make the Matthew Stafford throw once like, Oh my God,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: did you see that over the shoulder off his back
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: foot split two guys, but can you make the other
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: throws 10 out of 10 times or 10 out of
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: 11 times and then still make the big time throws.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: That was eyeopening for me when I saw, then Matthew
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Stafford led the league. Because you think Stafford is just
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: like 10 times a game, just boosh, boosh, you're Josh Allen. Yeah,
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: it's like two or three times a game. And then
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: the rest of the time, they're just doing what they're
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: supposed to do. Now that's an oversimplification, but to your point.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Because you're in third and four, third and five, third
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: and three, way more than you realize by like week 10.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Like in a game, you're like, God, we've been in
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: this position a couple times. But over the course of
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: the season, you're in it a lot. You know, if
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: you're a good team. Like looking at the Eagles or
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: the Broncos, when you only get like nine or ten
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: first downs, that's telling me two things. One, you're not
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: being very successful on first and second down on a
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: lot of drives, and you're not having that many explosive
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: plays because you would have just a ton of first
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: downs if you're getting first downs on second down, right?
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: And then you're clearly not doing well on, you know,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: not every drive is just going backwards, so you're just
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: not doing well on third and medium. which a lot
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: of times you're not running go routes or post routes
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: on third and fours. A lot of times it's like
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: a quick out, a wheel route, and when you skip
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: that or miss it, it's like that adds up over
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: the course of the year. And Stafford, that's what was
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Stafford's last year. He basically became a version of Pete
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Peyton Manning with a better arm because he doesn't move, right?
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: But he's just dominant in terms of just where to
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: go with the ball. He didn't really turn the ball
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: over last year, right? He only threw, what, five picks?
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: 42 touchdowns, maybe seven picks, whatever. But like, I think
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: it's a great point on first and second down. I think,
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know this to be true. I haven't looked
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: at this stat, but just thinking about it as you're talking,
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: I bet a big majority, a large percentage of explosive
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: plays come on second and short. Like the Rams, that
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: was one of their things last year. It was like
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: on second and two, they're going to hit you because
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: it's kind of a free play because you're going to
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: pick it up. You feel confident on third and two
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: or maybe even fourth down depending on where you're on
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: the field. So if you can't get to second and short,
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: then you're just going to have less explosive opportunities. I
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: do think Like with Bo Nix, I don't know. We
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: haven't talked about Bo Nix.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: In a year probably.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: You knew him in college? Yeah, and one of the
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: things with him coming out of college was just like
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: all his throws were around the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: he was completing a high percentage of throws, but a
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: lot of them were at the line of scrimmage or
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: behind the line of scrimmage or in front of the
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. Now, I think they did a lot
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: of that too. His rookie year in Denver, so they
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: knew how to make him hit the ground running. Ivan
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: looked at what his around the line of scrimmage stat was.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: last year or week one but like i do think
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: you can kind of yeah it's if you're not taking
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: shots on second and two if you're not getting to
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: second and short and you're not taking shots on second
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: or two i bet it's pretty hard to be explosive
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: that'd be my guess like it's not coming on 37
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: i i.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Just think maybe i'm crazy but i i don't ever
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: remember somewhat of payton's stature just flipping the switch and
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: going to CEO. It's like, I'm just CEO this year. With,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: it'd be one thing, because I was saying this last night,
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: like if, let's say like Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: or Kevin O'Connell, a guy of that, like ilk, had
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: just had a disastrous year, had been fired, was just
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: down and out. Maybe something happened in his personal life,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: so he was unhirable as a head coach. Sean Payton's like,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to take a step back
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: It's like a big picture thing. I'm going to take
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: a step back. I'm going to hire one of the
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: best OCs in the league, try to instill a little fire,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: mix it up a little bit here. Let's say Denver
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: is coming off an underwhelming year. I mean, they were
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: a broken ankle away from being in the Super Bowl.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: And they just elevate. And he's just standing there with
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: his hands. I don't remember ever seeing anything quite like
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: that in a football with an offensive guy. McCarthy with
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Green Bay would give up play calling every once in
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: a while. But then he'd take it right back, and
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: it was always a Philbin, random, older guy type. It
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: was clear. This guy is viewed as the shooting star.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Game one against Steve Spagnuolo, the Tregman's like, yeah, he's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: won four Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator. I was like,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: two of those with the Chiefs and the one with
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: the Giants, for sure they were defensive teams. It wasn't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: like they were Ben Johnson offense those couple years with
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: the Mahomes.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: That was....
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: It felt like, you know, our kids are still so young,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: but once they get maybe a year and a half,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: two years, you're kind of like, oh, let him burn
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: his little finger here. You got to kind of teach
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: him a little bit. Sean Payton's like, I'm going to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: teach you a lesson here, kid. I'm not coming in.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: But how long does that last? I mean, they play
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: the Jags this week. Remember last year, the Jags beat
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the crap out of them in Denver. Like, it's get weird.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: They get weird fast.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: If you take play calling duties from a guy, can
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: he leave for another OC job? if he's not actually
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: the play caller, even though he's a multi-year contract, let's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: say he's under a two-year contract as the offensive coordinator
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: and title, but then, and then Peyton takes play calling
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: away and kind of sneaks him in the building.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. I think you would probably let
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: the guy leave, but you never say never. I mean,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: look at the Browns. They didn't give what's his name,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: the head coaching job. And they were like adamant. He's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: under contract going to be their defensive coordinator. Jim Schwartz saying,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not working with Todd Bunken. You never say never.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I think if they stripped him, it used to happen
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: to Sean Payton had it stripped, I think, back in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: the day with Jim Fossil. It happened to him when
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: he was younger. So I think in that Wickersham article,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: he was adamant. It is not going to happen. It's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: not happening, which is easy to say because I do
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: think his heart's in the right. I want this guy
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: to do it. It's going to be the best. But
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: then you watch that. Kenneth Walker had three less yards
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: on the ground than they had total yards on offense.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're watching the game thinking, I would have
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: called something different, I would have called something different. To me,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: that's what it's about. It's not about what the box
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: score said. If you're watching the game, Sean Payton going,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: I would have called something different. That's not what we
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: talked about. Or you hear him on the headset.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Why would he just call the game then?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I agree. I'm just saying he knows in
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: his head whether he would have called the same play
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: or a different play. So if he would have called
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: a different play 15 times, then how is he going
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: to sit there and just listen to it all week?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this offense better.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: And if I'm the owner, I'm like, what are you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: making $ 18 million for?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, there is a chance Sean Payton is the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: highest paid coach in the league. We don't know these numbers,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: but it wouldn't shock you.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: Andy's got to be in that range, right? Kyle just
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: signed an extension.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: What's Kyle and McVay making? Is Kyle worth more than Purdy?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Is Andy worth every bit as Mahomes? What are these guys?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: I watch some of these coaches sometimes thinking the top
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: guys are definitely underpaid when you look at some of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: the players. They have guards making $ 28 million.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're saying should Kyle be making $ 60 million?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe not 60, but you could argue whatever they're paying them.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: I'd say this, you can go around the coaches, like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: all the top impactful guys. They're underpaid. If John Harbaugh
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: resurrects the Giants and for the next three years, they're
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: just in the playoffs. He's 100% underpaid. There's no one
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: on that team that's worth more than him. Yeah. How
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: about when.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: They were like, John Harbaugh took the Giants to the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: 9-11 memorial. I'm like, oh my God, of course he did.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: He's like, some of these guys haven't been born yet.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Yeah, of course he did that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of guys hadn't been born.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Of course he did.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Like, he should. Like, wow.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: But when I heard that, I'm like, oh, they do
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: have an adult in charge, don't they? That was my
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: thought when I heard that story. You know, it's like,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: because you take it. It's so easy to take for granted. Like, yeah,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: they all know what it is. But, like, he knew
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: that they didn't. Or at least they didn't understand the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: way somebody his age or our age would understand.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Because the one thing you'd say about college is, like,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Cignetti's worth to his program more than any, his highest
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: paid player. Like, you would not trade Cignetti for his height. Like, Indiana,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: he's more valuable. Saban always was. I would say Lane
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: more than likely is. It looks like that's going to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: go pretty well. Yes. You know, you could– Sark and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Ryan Day, I'm more lukewarm on both those guys. Could
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: you replace them with someone else and just create another
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Sark or Ryan Day with those two programs? Like, those are–
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: to me, Oregon's a little more unique than– I'm not
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: saying Sark and Ryan Day aren't good. But it's like
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: those programs, if you get a capable individual, like if
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: I just gave John Summerall Texas for the next five years,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: is there a pretty good chance in five years John
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Summerall is viewed as a really good coach?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, you would think, but like these, once you
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: find a guy that has won you or can win
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: you a championship.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying fire him. I'm just saying. No, I know.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Like it is set up to succeed. It is, but
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: it's good stuff to go win the games. The NFL
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: is not. The NFL is much more difficult. And you constantly,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: every certain period of time, have to kind of redo.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Like the Chiefs had to kind of redo it this offseason.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: go all in for Kenneth Walker, their top 10 corner
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: picks off the ball and then he's hurt. But it's like,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: and you just keep rolling and you just got to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: figure it out.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: And they've done it multiple times. Like that team, they
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: beat the 49ers within 23 in the Superbowl had a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: bunch of guys that they had to draft in the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: previous year or two. Like they've done it. I think
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: it's hard to, I think they're probably on the third
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Mahomes window right now.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: They are. This would be the third window you would say.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Like, that's pretty impressive. That's really impressive.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: And the fourth window will be one day when Kelsey
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: and Chris Jones just aren't on the team. Yeah. Who
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I think have been on the team the entire time
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: he's been there. The Niners, they play the Chiefs this year, right?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Do they play the AFC West? Oh, yeah. What am
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: I thinking?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: They play the Chiefs the Sunday after Christmas. It's Brock
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: Purdy's 27th birthday.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: I feel like they never beat the Chiefs.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: How about that?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: The real question is, do we fly on Christmas Day?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Afternoon?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: When do you fly for that game?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: When's the game?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: The game is December 27th, Sunday.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: So usually it's... So Christmas on Friday.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's... Usually you go two days if you're going
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: more than two time zones.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: To Kansas City? Usually.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: I think usually they wouldn't fly on Saturday for that game.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: They would go like Friday afternoon?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: That's my guess, yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: So two time zones is an auto... Two-day stay? Or
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: two-night stay? One would be if they leave on the Friday,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: when's the takeoff time? Like two in the afternoon?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: My guess would be actually takeoff maybe a little later.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Get a walkthrough in the afternoon. But it's tough.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: It's Christmas morning. Get there and eat.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. You don't care about the night.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: McVay would probably fly Sunday morning.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: The real AFC West matchup, though, is the Raider game.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Who do they play this week?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: No, I mean like the Niners play the Raiders. Because
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: you're right. I don't know how I– I blanked on that.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: Because the Niners go to the Chargers on Thursday night
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: and then go to the Chiefs the following Saturday. I said–
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: I think it's a Saturday actually. Is Christmas on a–
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: I'm getting this all messed up. Christmas might be on
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: a Thursday. No, no, Christmas is on a Friday. It's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: on a Friday.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: You're saying that they play the 27th, which is a Sunday. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: But they play the Chargers on a Thursday night the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: week before in L.A.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of coming off a longer week.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: And then what I'm really saying is that the biggest
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: AFC West game is the Raider game.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: The Raiders are.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Back in the bay, John, for the first time since
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: they left.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: That'll be a big moment. That'll be a big moment.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Extra security?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Nah. Depends how the Raiders are playing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: Here's a real question for you. Is Fernando Mendoza playing
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: in that game? Or the Raiders going to be like.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think the Raiders can win six or seven games.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Like if they're just headed toward like seven and ten,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I think they would redshirt them.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: I think that is like Tom Brady's adamant about that.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Kubiak said that, which might be coming from Tom Brady.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, Tom Brady was a different situation, but he
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: did redshirt. I think certain people from a certain time,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: and the Kubiaks were raised by a dad who come
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: from that time Like, sitting is not the end of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: the world. It takes a little pressure off you. It
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: also allows you to kind of add to the squad.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: Right, to play for a better team.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: So, like, next year, your team's just better next year.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Everyone knows what they're doing around him. He's more comfortable. What,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: he had five career balls under center? Is that right?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: And Cal. I think in college it was five career balls. Now,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: the sport's different. Like, last night, Kenneth Walker– like set
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: a Chiefs record in the Mahomes era for yards from
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: a running back taking handoffs under center. Because if you
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: think about how many probably gun runs they do over
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: the course of Mahomes, especially early on, those first several
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: years Mahomes probably was in the gun a lot now
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Mahomes just you know you just you get Kenneth Walker
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: to hand him the ball under center and let him
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: kind of cook I still can't get over his performance
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: I mean he looked like Walter Payton and he looked
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: he looked like the best running back in the league
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: for 60.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: Minutes he looked like Marshawn breaking tackles running around guys
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: how about the long touchdown run where he's going down
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: the sideline and the dude hits him and just, just,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: I just push him out of bounds.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: That's what it feels like to us sitting on the couch,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: but it's like, it's a lot harder to push. He
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: doesn't knock him off his platform at all. He just
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: slips right off him. That's what felt like prime Marshawn
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: to me, which is scary.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: You hot on anything else today before we get out
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: of here? That's the guy that hired Haberman and then
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: hired me. He was a long-time ESPN radio guy. Built
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: the station in the Bay, and we used to come
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: into the office, and he'd go like... You know, it
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: was a classic first take. He was like cold pizza days.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: What are you guys hot on? You know, it's like...
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: And then ideally, you're hot on something I'm not hot on.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: So you say, like, I think the Chiefs are back.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: And I say, no chance. One game.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: They're at home.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: The Kenneth Walker game of his life. And you start arguing.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: And then you get cold pizza turned into first take,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: turned into modern-day media.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: Give it the phone number. I will say this. I
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: do think you've always said this, and I think it's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: true from this point.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: I'm kidding. I love the guy. But sometimes you're just
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: not hot on anything.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's also how to do good radio. So
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: it wasn't bad instruction. I do think sometimes I think
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: sometimes you just see something with your own eyes in
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: person and it just feels different even though you've seen
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: it a million times on TV and to me a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: couple things one watching the Rams offense through binoculars 13
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: personnel revolutionized the league they ran it one back two
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: tight ends more three tight ends more than anybody like
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: twice as much as anybody in the league last year
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: but for me when I'm calling a game I'm just
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: kind of looking out going who's out there And I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: always felt kind of relieved. And it was like, Oh,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: it's just Puka, not Puka and Devante. And that kind
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: of washed over me during the game. Like, Oh, 13 sweet.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Devante is not on the field. So that's not, I
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: don't really have a take other than like feeling like
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: not many teams can run it like they can, but
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: also there'd be times like Devante just wasn't on the field.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Oh, thank God. That's actually a relief.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: I never thought about that.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: The other take, the other take I had was the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: same kind of setup, but Mike Evans, like, Mike Evans,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: 12 years in Tampa, last year his streak of like
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: 1,000 receiving yards basically every year almost came to an
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: end because.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: He got hurt.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: And I watch him a lot in practice and training
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: camp going like, okay. Not really that fast. Doesn't really
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: jump that high. Not really that quick. And then you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: see him in the game and I'm like, oh my God.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: This guy is unbelievable. I mean, like, They took him
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: off the field on their first third and goal, which
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: I think that'll never happen again. But he just was like–
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: they put him in the slot a ton, which he
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: doesn't really do, and he looked comfortable. They put him
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: on the goal line. He was just like, give me
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: the ball. Go get it. I don't know if you
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: saw the clip, but he was based on the bench goal.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Just give me the ball. And they did. Touchdown. The
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: guy is sweet.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: And they don't run fades. No. I mean, they never
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: had a fade guy. Well, I remember the last one
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: they ran. Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: Sherm.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: But that– That was more like, is it true? Yeah.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. But no, they don't. Crabtree
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: actually did catch that, remember, for the Raiders, actually. A
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: two-point conversion game winner against the Saints.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Against the Saints. I thought of that game yesterday. Was
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: that a week one game? Jack went for two on
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: the road?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: He went for two. Kind of Kellen Moore style. On
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: the road. The fade is sick. when it just works,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: you could argue Purdy could even throw it higher. Oh yeah.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: A hundred percent. I think that's probably the adjustment. Cause
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: he threw it right over. Jalen Watson's a big corner,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: but that, that was, it can look.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Really shitty or it can look just like the perfect alley.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: It can look like the easiest thing. It can look
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: like a play. You'd be like, why don't we just
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: run that all the time? Or it can look like
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: a play that you'd like what we should never run
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: that again. And there's no in between. It's one of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: the two, but watching Mike Evans, you know, the Niners
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: over the years have gotten Randy Moss and they've gotten
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: some guys at the end of their careers. But this guy,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: I was like, holy smokes, this guy can play. So
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: that was pretty cool.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: It almost feels like he's probably got an underrated impact
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: on the Johnny Manziel Heisman. Is it like? You know,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: like when you think Cam Newton's Heisman, you're like, that's
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: fucking Cam Newton. Bait that Heisman. You know, Reggie Bush.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: I just remember Johnny Manziel hucking it up a lot
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: to that big guy who ended up being, I don't know,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: a first ballot Hall of Famer. Super high character, grinder, badass.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I mean, that guy was pretty. If
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: you just remove Mike Evans and put just random pretty
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: good college receiver, does Johnny's career go quite the same? No,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Derek Carr, Devontae Adams, like sometimes just a perfect marriage. Yeah.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: And I just think that Mike's, you look back, it's
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: kind of underrated, you know, his impact early. I mean,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: he's been a mainstay in football. I guess Tampa, they
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: were bad for a while. But once Tom got there, like,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: I think the respect was earned really quickly. It was
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: almost like a Larry Fitzgerald type deal. Larry's probably better
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: in his prime. But, like, you're a great wide receiver.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: You play with no quarterbacks. He can get weird and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: get weird fast.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: I did think like all the Niners players have just
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: talked about him, like future hall of famer, future hall
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: of famer, future hall of famer. And I'm like, I mean,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: I think he's close, but is he definitely a future
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: hall of famer? But I was like, is McCaffrey a
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: future hall of famer? I got into an argument with
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: someone recently.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Like, I feel like there's certain players that are like,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: this is a hall of fame level player, but like, well,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: his numbers and his longevity. I don't know.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: I think, I think he will be, you think he
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: won't be, or he will be.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I mean, I, How many great pure–
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: he's been injured a lot.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but like how many do you really need at
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: running back? I think– how many years has he just
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: looked like– he has records that just like two other
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: people have or one other person has, right? Like he's
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: got a few of those.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: Receiving touchdowns of all time?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: Receiving touchdowns. He's had two– what's his– he's had like
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: a few– he's had a few that are just like only–
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: let me see here. Uh, Christian, uh, last three years. No,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: I get a third time. First team, all AP. I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: don't have it in front of me. He, he has
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: one that it's like, it's like a hundred receptions and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: a hundred rushes. And like, he's done it twice and
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: no one else has done it more than once. Or
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: he's got a few of those. It's like him and Marshall.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: I guess what I'm saying is like, there's a difference
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: of like hall of fame level player. There's been a
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: lot of those who's like, maybe career got a little
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: weird or whatever. And like the resume, the longevity, like
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: part of it's Mike Evans has had, what, like 11
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: straight 1,000-yard seasons. You know, it's like the APs definitely help.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: Like George Kittle, is he in no doubt about it,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Hall of Famer?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: I think he probably will be, yeah.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I would probably say. Like Stafford, like
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: the argument kind of ended last year once he got
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: the MVP.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: Stafford's in.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: It's over, he's going in. He's a lock, you know,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: and then. Sometimes you just you have the resume, the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: all pros, the production like Kelsey, his career so long
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: and he was so elite for so long. He got
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: retired like three years ago and he would have been
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: in because we got a couple Super Bowls with like
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: all the hundred yard like part of it saying healthy.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: If you if you're a great player and you just
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: get to keep playing. But you're watching Kenneth Walker, you're like, God,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: if he just would have been playing like this for
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: the last four years, we'd be talking about him as
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: one of the best players we've ever seen. But sometimes
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: you get injured, and that's what kind of derailed McCaffrey.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: It was like some of those years in Carolina, he
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: obviously had the one year in San Francisco a couple
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: years ago where he's injured. But when he plays, he's like,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: He just dominates statistically.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: I just feel like some guys are just great without
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: doing the statistical argument on them. And I think Christian's
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: historical stats will line up as pretty special once his
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: career is done, even though I don't have those stats
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: in front of me. But I also think like I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: just have watched for over the course of multiple years
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: when you watch him, you went, that's one of the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: most special players I've ever seen. Right. Like he's just
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: so unique. And now like this is a big year
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: for him too.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: We'll think about, I saw this clip Rogers when he
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: did the, you know, he did that interview where he's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: talking about his ex girlfriends with Cam Hayward. He also
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: did a random interview that showed up on one of
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: my feeds with like a local Milwaukee guy. It was
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: just him and that guy. I don't know the guy's name.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: I think he used to be a beat reporter. Maybe
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: now it's like, this is a podcast. He was on,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: it's just like 30 minutes. Pretty good interview. He hates Gutekins,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: but he was going through some of his teammates over
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: the years, like all the receivers. And he's like, he
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: got to Devante. He's like, Talking about Hall of Famers,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: I hope he gets in one day. And, you know,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: when I think Devontae, I go, well, he's been one
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: of the best receivers in the league. Like, clearly for
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: like a four or five year period, he was clearly
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: a top two or three receiver in the league. Yep.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: And even as an older guy, he like leads the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: league in touchdowns. Like, that's a Hall of Fame level player.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Most red zone touchdowns in history, I think.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like, then you get the stats. Like, he's
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: just in the Hall of Fame. Like, to me, when
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: I think davante adams he's a hall of fame level
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: receiver but his.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: Receivers are really hard position receivers are hard position to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: get in yeah i think mike probably it like i
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: was i remember i talked to ted went about it
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: and he was like mike evan his comp was mike
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: evans is the frank gore of receivers which just sound
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: people just take that as like disrespectful but he's going
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: to have a championship.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: I bet.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: I'm just excited to watch him this year as somebody
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: who ended the year like, I don't know. Everyone says
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: he is, but is he? And then watching him one game,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, my God, this guy is. I mean,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: we all know he's a game changer, but to see
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: it in person is pretty cool.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: I think there's something to.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: Four-time first-team All-Pro Christian. As a running back, that's pretty.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: How many do you really need to be locked in
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: as a Hall of Famer?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: I wonder how many does Derrick Henry have because he's clearly.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: You know, he's a lock Hall of Famer at this point.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: And I bet that number's probably two or three. But
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: his is more longevity. Like, he still looks completely fine.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Christian looks actually a little quicker.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: First team, one.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: He has one.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: Derrick Henry.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: But he's going to have the rushing yards.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: That's where it's like, you just say Derrick Henry and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: everyone goes Hall of Famer. You don't even need to
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: look at the numbers. There are certain guys.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: That's how I would have felt about Christian.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: Keeley was one. You just don't even need to look. Again,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: we're talking about a guy whose career, if he stays healthy,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: he still could play it. He's one of the top
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: five fantasy picks in everyone's draft. People expect him to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: have 20 touchdowns this year.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: Which will be hard if he's split and carries a
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: little bit more this year.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: So Indiana, they just had a left tackle start for
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs who had never started a left tackle and
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: it was good. Black, who everyone says, like, oh, you
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: can't take him in the third round, week one. And
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: all preseason has looked excellent. To me, Indiana's a program. Like,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: I think their players are going to get the benefit
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: of the doubt moving forward.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: It's like, do we need to move this guy up
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: a little on our draft board?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: These guys kind of come in ready to the league.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, part of it is, like, when you
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: have money, you're, like, getting other guys good players. So
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: it's not like Indiana's developing them for four years, right? Like,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: Kalon Black, the other running back they had actually had
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: more yards than him, who the Raiders drafted. last year.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: Roman Hemby, who came from Maryland. Kellan Black obviously came
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: from JMU. But when you start getting guys from other programs,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: but I think the separator, and I've talked to some
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Niner people about it, is like, there's a certain type
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: of guy that is not allowed in a Kurt Cignetti program.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: So you're not just getting the best players.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: That's what I mean. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: I think you're right. There's a certain type of guy
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: that you have to be. And when I asked somebody
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: the other day, I was like, what's Kellan like? They're like,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: just serious, quiet. I haven't talked to him yet, but serious, quiet.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: But you're right, Kalon would be considered like he had
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: been with him the entire time. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: That's a good one for your point, actually, yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know the tackle, which is pretty crazy. You've
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: never played left tackle? No, I've played guard and right tackle.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Week one, Monday Night Football. Yeah, I'll start. They're pretty good.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Troy Aikman had an incredible line. He's like, you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: I've never met an offensive lineman in my entire life
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: who wouldn't always choose to run the ball over pass block.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: And he thinks for a second, and they pan. He's like,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: except one, Andy Reid. And that's what was so crazy
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: about that game is that, you know, Andy's his offensive lineman.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: That's what makes Ben Johnson, you know, I call him
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: the Midwest Kyle. They had 290 yards rushing. He had
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: 200-yard rushers. Like that guy, he wants to call runs.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: And he's got Caleb who looked. Pretty damn good.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Kyle came out throwing the ball.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: Which was crazy. He had, what, 25 attempts in the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: first quarter?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they had– I think at one point
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: it was 12 to 4, which almost never happens.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: That's what makes football like clearly they wanted to get
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: those guys running, right? Don't you think? Yeah, like wearing
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: them out. Do you think that factored into it? Yeah,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good point. Off the plane.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: And then run up with a fresh Christian in the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: second half.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: When they're kind of gassed and kind of in a daze.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: That's what football has– I'll end on this. This crossed
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: my mind the other day. Hearing the discourse after Thursday
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: or Wednesday night, Thursday night.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: The discourse.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: I just love hearing you say the discourse. I don't
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: mean like pods. I just mean people's takes. All these
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: things like after the Ohio State-Texas game, after the Oklahoma-Michigan game,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: after all the NFL games. There's just nothing like this
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: sport because– The importance of every game, and every coach
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: always says, we only get so many of these, and
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: they're fucking dead serious. I saw the Yankees clinch the playoffs.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: The game yesterday didn't matter. The game tomorrow won't matter.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: It's like, are you going to have good pitching when
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: game one starts? The game in June mattered, but, like,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: did it? Yeah, and basketball, their own players and the
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: training staff are like, yeah, this next month doesn't matter.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: We can load manage them. They made a second tournament.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: For the regular season.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: It's just so important. Every snap feels big. Even like
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: I'm watching the Jets-Titans. I'm like, this is pretty important
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: for Eric Glenn. There's some pressure. LaFleur, the guy's 76
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: and 40, and people are like, fire him! No, he
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: was up 22 to 10. But my point is, there's
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: just nothing like the setup for our society. It's just
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: tailor-made for the way people are wired right now.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The only question is, how many games can you
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: play and not lose that?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You play 18? Definitely.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: You can play 18. You play 19? Yeah, you can
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: play 19. You play 25? You know, like the college,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: If you had to guess, does preseason never exist in
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: our lifetime? And they play 20?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think we're definitely going to two.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, preseason is kind of cool because you can get,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: like from a financial standpoint, you can still make a
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: lot of money on it. But you need like a game.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: I think maybe we get to one game. You think
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: we'll go to zero games? Joint practices?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: If they were going to do one, I think they
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: would do zero.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: I guess, you know what, to your point, once you
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: go to one, what are people doing? Or you go
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: to two. Like, McVay doesn't play anybody anyway. Like, the
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Rams could play zero. They basically do.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: Two's basically a tryout for all your fringe guys.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the coaches will like it, but they don't get asked.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: No one gives a shit what they think in these decisions.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: What's the most number of games we can play?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: They would go 20. But then if they go 20,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: if college keeps consolidating, would college add games? Non-playoffs.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they'd love to add.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: Are they just going to stick at 12? Yeah, what
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: do you.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, they definitely add games. Once they're a 40-team,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: you know, A-tier. Or whatever it'll be, 50 teams.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The dogs will just beat up on Sac State.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: That's right. The dogs will be there. Cal Poly might
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: be there with the dogs. Tim Skipper.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: They're coming. I texted Skipper yesterday. You know his brother
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: has been in Buffalo since 2017. Brady kept him. He's
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: just there. He just loves Buffalo. It doesn't suck. He's
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: been there with Josh Allen his entire tenure. To go
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: from the Raiders, coaching the Raiders running backs for all
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: those years, to go to Josh Allen. Raiders had some
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: good backs. He did. McFadden. Latavius. Kay Haberman. I'll get
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: you out of here. See you, buddy. Later.