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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 6) (5/6/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the unnamed Lieutenant and his
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  interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question, Okay, were you ever
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  provided any instructions on what action should be taken if
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  redacted was removed from Epstein's cell? Answer? No, Question What
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  action should have been taken once redacted was removed? Answer honestly,
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  I mean, like I said, we bunk all the inmates together,
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  so if he was removed, look for a new bunkie.
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  Question and is that something should have they notified when
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  they say look for a new bunkie? I'm assuming you're
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  talking about the people in the shoe? Answer yeah, a
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  new cell mate? Question so I think you said redacted,
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  redacted and Noel? Answer yeah. Question could they have placed
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  them with a new cell mate or would have they
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  had to make a notification to the ops and door activities? Lieutenant?
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  Answer you know they don't need to make notification. Question
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  what about when someone is high profile as an inmate
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  as Epstein? Answer no, he didn't make notification. Question so
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  you don't think that they would have? Do you know
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  if Epstein cell mates were vetted by the captain and
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  an above. Answer, I think I heard something like that.
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  I think so. Question now does that play into that
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  answer about if they could have just been placed with
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  anyone with them? Answer I'm not sure. Question okay, answer,
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  but I think someone vetted like that, pre approved or
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  something like that. I think I'm not sure, but I
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  think I did hear something like that. Question Okay, but
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  to your knowledge, they could have placed anyone with them,
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  not anyone, but like they could have placed a new
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  inmate with them. Answer yeah, they could have. Question okay,
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  should they have answer I'm not sure, Like you said,
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  the whole vetted thing, Yeah, I'm not sure. Question So,
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  if they knew that redacted was vetted and was place
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  with them at that point, should they have done anything
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  else such as called the lieutenant to say, hey, he's
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  not back, we need to get him a new cell mate.
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  Can I place them with one? Or should they just
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  be taken different action on their own? Answer? I don't know.
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  Question if you were I know were day watch, but
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  if you were evening watch, would you have expected them
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  to notify you? Answer? Yeah, question so in this case,
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  should they have notified redacted or should they have notified
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  redacted or either of them? Answer? I'm not sure. Question
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  should have he gets cut off by the lieutenant that
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  was non custody. Question should have the person notified them
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  by telephone? Or when one of those lieutenants did the rounds?
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  Answer you said should have? Question yeah? Answer if they
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  would have yeah, either or both? Call email? Whatever? Question
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  Now someone like so redacted was the activities lieutenant that night?
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  Correct answer yes. Question since she was not a lieutenant,
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  she was an SOS. Do you feel that she had
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  the knowledge and capability to be able to do that
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  job at that time? Answer? What job are you talking about? Question?
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  Activities lieutenant? Answer? Yeah, I think she was in training? Right?
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  Question Well, I he gets cut off by the lieutenant,
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  So I think she was training. Is that a temporary
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  post right? So yeah, but that still wouldn't be on
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  her though. Question if there's the one who did a
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  round in the shoe for her shift? Answer yeah, Question
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  is that something that she should have checked on? Hey,
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  where's redacted? There's nobody in because not only I mean
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  everyone knows what cell mate Epstein is in. So even
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  if Epstein is not in there, and he's still down
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  at attorney conference. Nobody's in there, So shouldn't they have
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  been something that you'd say, Hey, where is this guy?
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  Is he coming back? Should that have been something he
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  gets cut off by the lieutenant. That kind of depends
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  on the time. Question And when you're saying that, you
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  just mean because the possibility that he could be coming back? Answer? Yeah,
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  question but if no one's there and she knows he's
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  out at court, shouldn't she at least have followed up on, Hey,
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  anybody check on him? Is he coming back? Answer? Well,
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  that's R and D. R and D notifies us if
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  they're coming back or not. Question? All right, so when
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  doing rounds, that's not something being that, Hey, we've got
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  to make sure that Epstein has a cell mate, not
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  something that should be like, hey, nobody's in Epstein's cell
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  what's going on there? Answer? I mean, that's what I'm saying.
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  We get this notice not just with Epstein, but with
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  every inmate that comes on Suicide Watch. Question, so did
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  you ever see when you were visiting the cell? Did
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  you ever see this sign up in the shoe? Answer? No, question,
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  and I'm showing you a color note saying mandatory rounds
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  must be conducted every thirty minutes on Epstein number seven
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  six three one eight dash zero five to four as
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  per God. Answer no question, you never noticed that? Answer
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  no question. All right, so that's nothing you ever saw
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  in your times visiting there. Answer no question. I was
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  just going to say, if that it's up for people
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  to see doing rounds in the shoe, does that change
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  any of those answers of hey, where is Epstein's cell mate? Answer?
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  I mean this is if it rounds, that's something different
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  than me saying single bunk. So if they're saying we're
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  doing rounds on them, that wouldn't make them think about
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  why is this guy? Where's his bunkie? You don't think so.
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  So if you're actually looking into his cell and saying,
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  you know he needs a bunkie. I'm looking in his
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  cell and there's no one else with him, you don't
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  think that that those are correlated. Answer Yeah, but not
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  because of this, that's just saying rounds. Hey, make sure
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  you do your own question. It says specifically rounds on
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  he gets cut off by the lieutenant. Then when it's
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  not yeah, but normal, it's not going to think just
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  because it's not going to mix with that this guy
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  is barely competent. He knows nothing, he saw nothing, and
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  can barely speak English. Question so even though they're not
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  looking in on Epstein, seeing that he's not he's by himself,
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  that won't alert them to the fact. Answer No, not
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  that sign, no question, no answer, no question, you don't
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  think so. Answer it says mandatory rounds. Question do you
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  know of any other signs that were in the shoe
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  saying that he was required to have a cellmate? Answer?
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  I can't recall. Question what about the hot list? Tell
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  me about that? What is a hot list? Answer? The
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  hot list is inmates who have suicidal behavior or attempts
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  in the past. Question and people on the hot list
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  are they required to have a cell mat? Answer? Yeah.
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  Question do you remember seeing a hot list that was
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  in the shoe? Answer no? Question is that as part
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  as lieutenant? Would they check out the hot list when
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  they would go down there? Answer no, we would just know.
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  We would just check to c if it's updated. Question Okay,
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  so Epstein's listed on the hot list. What does that
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  then tell these people that are working in the shoe?
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  Answer that he needs a cell mate? Question and do
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  all of them know if Epstein's on the hot list.
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  Those people need a cell mate. Answer I'm not sure
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  if all of them knew. Question but are they supposed
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  to know? Answer? I don't know. Yeah. Question all right,
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  so you feel like the hot list is even more
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  important than the sign I just showed you for cell
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  may purposes? Answer this sign? Where the sign come from? Question?
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  If this sign was in the shoe? Answer you said if.
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  Question Well, I'm not saying I can't say if. Yeah,
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  I can't tell you exactly what is and what isn't.
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  I'm just saying, assuming that this was in the shoe,
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  what was your question? Answer? That's what I'm saying this.
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  I don't think this was up there? Question You don't
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  think that this was in the shoe? Answer no, I
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  mean not in the tier or nothing like that. Question okay,
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  but around like the officers gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  The hot list is up there though. Question but what
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  about like up on like the desk area? Would you
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  be around the officer's desk area? Answer? I mean if
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  I had to question, but you didn't notice that on
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  the desk area? Answer no? Question all right, Where would
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  the hot list be located? Answer? So behind the desk
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  like a wall that we have that we keep it
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  up there. Question all right, and they're supposed to be
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  checking that and making sure that the people are one
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  checked on and two have cell mates? Is that the purpose? Answer?
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  The hot list is just any it's pretty much any
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  inmate that from the housing unit. They come from the
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  housing unit. This guy cycle alert. Hey, make sure this
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  guy gets a bunkie. That's the initial check. And that's
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  what the hot list is for. Question And are they
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  supposed to check that list every day to make those
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  names the same? He gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  I mean you don't. No, you get up there, it's hey,
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  on the suicide watch? Is he on the hot list?
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  So it's not common to check it every day? No? Question?
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  All right, So it's not common to check it every day?
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  Answer every day? No, unless it's updated. Question Only when
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  it's updated you check it. Answer yeah, if the guy
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  is still on it. Question But wouldn't again the fact
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  that mcc is a jail not a prison, wouldn't it
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  be pretty regular that people are being moved in and out?
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  Answer not on the hot list? Question No, but the
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  people that are bunked with them, if they're required to
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  have a cell mate. Wouldn't it be pretty regular that
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  they would have to their cell mat might be leaving
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  because it's gail not a prison answer yeah. Question, so
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  that's what I'm saying. So how are they always ensuring
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  that those people who are required to have cell mates
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  have cell mates? Answer? That's when you say, hey, I
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  got a single cell up here. Question and at what
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  point is that reviewed? Answer the single cell question? Yeah?
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  Is it supposed to be a daily occurrence? Answer? Yeah.
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  Question What time is that the eight time that you're
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  talking about? Answer? No, Usually that's in the morning. So
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  like if I come in, hey, you know, I'm going
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  to who's in the single cell? You know at night?
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  It's not just night, it's he gets cut off by
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  the investigator. Even when people are left during the day
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  and they come back from court, some people come back,
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  some people don't answer yeah. Question, wouldn't that be another
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  time that they do it or they don't do it
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  at that time? Answer? I mean, like I said, after
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  that cutoff time, that's when you start saying, okay, we've
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  got a single cell of such and such. Then again,
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  remember mcc inmates throughout the night. Question they do answer yeah,
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  question placed in the shoe? Answer yeah. Question okay, And
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  you didn't work that night? Do you know of any
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  of the people that were placed in the shoe that
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  night on August ninth? Answer? No, not according to this
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  no question. And did you conduct any counts or rounds
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  in the shoe on August ninth? Answer? I can't recall.
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  Question And what is the purpose why do CEOs conduct
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  counts and rounds in the shoe? Answer to make sure
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  they're alive? Question is it also to make sure everyone's there? Answer? Yeah.
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  Question our accounts and rounds documented? Answer yeah. Question and
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  how how are they documented? Answer thirty minute log in truscope?
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  Question so thirty minute log for rounds? Answer yeah. Question
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  what is the truth cope? Answer rounds? Question that's rounds
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  as well. Answer you put in there too, But all
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  the counts mainly counts. Yeah. Questions so counts are the
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  counts also there like little slips that are filled out? Answer? Yeah.
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  Question who fills them out? Answer all the officers? Question
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  and what do they do with them? Answer? They give
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  them to internal. Question And does internal come to the
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  shoe or does the shoe go to internal? Answer? It depends?
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  Question or does it go both ways, Answer both ways.
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  Just get it to control, all right, folks, We're gonna
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  wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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