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Championship Edition - R.E.M. Pt 2 · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  I don't think I made anything up last time about about R.E.M.
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  other than being schooled that it isn't for rapid eye movement.
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  I it's championship edition. It is Part 2 and you know, all
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  things considered Part 1, there was there was no bloodshed.
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  I I don't there was some pain. I feel like involved John, no
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  bloodshed. Is that going to continue here
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  or do you think it's just going to be more, more heart
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  heartache? Yeah, I mean, round one is, is
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  always kind of the the get your feet wet because like we have
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  people that haven't done this before and you don't want to,
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  you don't want to jump right into the deep end and and like,
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  start cutting off your limbs right away.
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  But I mean, we, you know, we were dealing with with Murmur,
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  which is like a beloved album dealing with monster, which
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  people have, you know, those 90s kids have a fondness for.
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  He kind of threw around the sun on there to kind of give it a
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  give it a little bit of a break. But now we're into round two and
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  like it's, it's going to start getting brutal.
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  So. So to set it up like you, you
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  set it up at the end of one, but what what is the the frame?
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  What's the block here that we're looking at in?
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  Yeah. So remember we had kind of
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  broken up their catalog into like the kind of artistic growth
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  period, the commercial success period, the experimental period
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  and then the legacy period. So we've we've, I try to pick
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  one from each album. So in this one we've we're
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  dealing with, let me pull it up here just so I can be sure.
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  Round two, we've got Reckoning, which who, what can you say
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  about Reckoning? We've got document new
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  adventures in Hi-fi and collapse into now.
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  So you know, it's, it's a, it's going to be a little bit
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  tighter, we'll say, you know, a little bit, you know, tightening
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  the strings a little bit when you're, when you're looking
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  through these, like, how are you putting your 20 together?
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  Like what are you looking to to bring to the table for this one?
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  Yeah, I mean that I I'm looking in my list and like try to, you
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  know, there's some of these songs that are just undeniable.
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  Like you, you can't like with the thing with Championship
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  Edition, like you, you can't really play the game of like,
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  oh, this song was a single or this song is too big because.
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  And like R.E.M., all of their singles were great songs.
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  They they they weren't a band that that did a lot of like
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  singles and filler tracks like these are these are fantastic
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  songs that have like, you know, been ingrained in my DNA for
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  30-40 years. I the thing like I the the dark
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  horse for me is, is new adventures.
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  I think that's maybe their most underrated record.
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  I mean, when it when it came out it it was it didn't really hit
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  as well as Monster did with all the singles.
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  But that one I think I'd go back to more now when I want to
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  listen to R.E.M. So that one was kind of a
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  sentimental favor for me right now.
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  That's probably the R.E.M. album I've listened to the most in the
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  last year. So I may be like lean toward
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  that a little bit, but there's but like this is like we've like
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  we said before, it's such a deep catalog and even even collapsed
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  into now, which is the last album that has some fantastic
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  songs on it. It's interesting because like,
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  as you pointed out with New Adventures, I Remember Me
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  personally panning that. I hated it when it came out and
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  when I went back to it just for the show.
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  And at this point that's eight years ago, I was like, oh, I was
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  really wrong about this. And, you know, I, I haven't gone
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  back since, but, you know, we've always talked about me and being
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  able to listen to, you know, anything for pleasure.
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  It doesn't happen very much now, Peter, like, you know, again,
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  John's laid it out like where does this part of R.E.M.'s
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  catalog fall for you? For me, I'm I'm very much a new
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  adventures in hi-fi type of guy. It's one of my top five albums
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  of theirs. Like I like Monster, but I felt
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  like I felt like. Don't go out of the limb.
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  You're saying it's in the top half of their albums for you?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  OK. And like I felt monster was them
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  pretending to be another band, whereas New adventures felt like
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  them capturing that sound, but as themselves.
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  They didn't have like that wink and you know, nudge till the
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  camera or whatever it it just felt more authentic and it also
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  kind of struck the right balance between like the heavier rock
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  stuff that they're doing as well as the acoustic stuff that
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  they're doing earlier. So I'm fake New adventures guy
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  and I also really like collapsing and now a lot.
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  I thought that was really strong album to end on.
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  Well, you know, they got to do it on their terms.
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  So like when when you say these things, you know, new adventures
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  and collapsing now like being a really good record, but like,
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  does that play into your list making here?
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  It does because I love Reckoning.
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  I think it's a great album, it's just it hasn't lived with me as
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  long as New Adventures has and Document has.
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  So Gavin, you know, as as somebody who's I probably lived
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  all of this, like where does this this part of their discog
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  live for you? So we put, we played the hell
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  out of reckoning when I was in high school and probably like,
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  yeah, like 9th grade. This, this list was hard for me
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  because like I said before, I, I'm more partial to the first
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  half, the IRS half of the catalog and this, this round has
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  two IRS records on it, Reckoning and document.
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  So that was tough, but it was, it was really good to go back
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  and listen to new adventures and, and collapse.
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  And I found, you know, I found a bunch of great shit on those
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  records, but I saw that I saw them on the document tour.
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  It was the third time I'd seen them.
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  I saw them in 87 in November in the in the Bay Area, in Oakland.
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  And U2 was like at the show. They didn't play, unfortunately.
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  But yeah. So that's sort of like my, those
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  records are my soul, you know, and the other records were just
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  really fun to like really dig into again.
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  So, you know, again, kind of repeating myself here, but
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  you're on the other end here. So if reckoning a document, does
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  that mean that's playing heavily in in your list?
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  List making for this? Oh yeah.
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  Simple enough, Chris. I mean, you know, last time you
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  said you, you kind of got roped into this.
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  I mean, you were happy to do it, but you feel like you got roped
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  into this. Like is this the point where it
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  starts to feel like a labor you're looking, you know, at the
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  next stretch of records or or is this kind of joints here?
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  Yeah, this one, I mean, it was I, I had not heard two of the
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  records on this list, like I had stopped listening to R.E.M. like
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  early 90s. I think I just kind of got out
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  of them. So I never even heard Collapse
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  in the Now or what was it, New Adventures?
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  I think I might have heard a song or two off in New
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  Adventures, but I never bought the record and I hadn't heard
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  any of the last one. The first two records I was very
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  familiar with and was Document is one of my favorite albums of
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  theirs so it was interesting though to listen to the the
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  newer the records I hadn't heard.
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  I enjoyed them both very much. There wasn't anything I really
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  hated on any of it, so this one wasn't bad because it's like I
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  wasn't having to pick out my favorite favorite R.E.M. songs.
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  Although there are a couple on here that I would put probably
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  top five, but I really liked discovering some of the stuff
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  that I hadn't heard before and enjoyed it all.
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  So, Brian, I feel like I can't remember if it was Part 2 or
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  Part 3, so forgive me, but I, I know you've been, you've been
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  going through it with, with a couple of these.
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  So talk to me about this, this section, this era of R.E.M.
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  Yeah, this was kind of a tough one for me.
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  So Document is like in my top three, like R.E.M. albums.
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  It's the one I it's probably the second one I go to the most.
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  And like Reckoning is of the of like the 80s albums, we'll say
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  like Reckoning is probably like my lowest rank of the 80s.
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  But you know, you know, what does that mean?
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  You know, actually collapse I wasn't super familiar with and
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  hi-fi like a probably most of it I was familiar with.
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  I honestly hadn't listened to hi-fi like as a work.
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  I usually like to listen to like albums in full, like as a work.
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  And I don't think I've listened to hi-fi like that.
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  So it was really, it was really nice to like listen to the whole
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  thing from like start to finish. So yeah, I mean, you know,
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  document Document is probably the one I kind of leaned on the
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  most. You know, it's, you know, kind
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  of the like the first like, you know, really big, you know,
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  splash out album for them, you know, with the with the singles
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  and everything. But yeah, it'll be interesting
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  to see how this how this plays out.
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  Interesting is definitely a word because you know this we've
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  we've had a little everything here on the on this first go.
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  You know, everybody kind of talking about their place with
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  this, like it seems like 5 different people kind of at 5
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  different places with this like. There's there's.
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  I heard definitely some overlay, you know, a lot of love for
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  document, some love for new adventures.
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  But this is this could get interesting.
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  John I let's let's hop right in man.
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  Where do you want to start? So we didn't even mention at the
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  in the intro, but of all the timing, you know, as as we're
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  recording this last night, the the Michael Shannon, Jason
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  Norducci R.E.M. tribute tour that's going around played in
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  Athens last night at the at the 40 Watt.
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  They're playing there again tonight and last night they, and
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  you know, they've done this before and they've had, you
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  know, members of R.E.M. jump up and play.
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  But last night they actually had all four members of R.E.M. on
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  stage playing at the same time. You know, like Stipe.
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  Stipe was singing, Peter Buck playing guitar.
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  Halfway through, Mike Mills comes out and jumps on
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  background vocals. Then Bill Berry comes out and
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  starts playing tambourine. They're all on stage and the
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  timing couldn't have been more perfect.
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  And so I have to go with the song that they're playing.
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  Pretty persuasion. All right, Peter.
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  I don't have that. All right, Gavin.
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  No. What?
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  Gosh, you're. Killing me.
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  Chris. I'm sorry, no.
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  Uh oh. What is wrong with you people?
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  Of course, John, of course I have pretty persuaded.
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  Oh my God. I mean, at least it doesn't go
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  into the bin. I mean, I don't know, judging by
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  the conversation, though, I have a feeling like that it's going
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  to be a lot of this and we're going to we're going to have to
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  hammer home a lot of stuff Come come actual list making time.
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  So it gets too we're. Going to have 8 new adventures
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  in hi-fi songs the. Same.
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  Rules. Yeah, the same rules as last
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  time, right? Right, Chris?
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  Like no hate, no hate. Going exactly exactly.
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  All right, Peter, where do you want to go first?
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  Good. I'm going to stay on that
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  record. I'm going to go with South
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  Central rain. Gavin.
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  Yes. Chris.
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  Yes, I have that one. Brian.
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  I do. And now we're all on board, I
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  see. Is that a official just for
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  documentation purposes, John, Yes.
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  Yeah, I. Got it.
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  Just got to hear the hear the words I wish I had.
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  I wish I had the old list pulled up to see.
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  I feel like this was on it. If not, it was definitely in the
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  conversation I. Remember, it was.
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  It was. So something we got right first
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  go around. All right, Gavin.
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  I'll take reckoning for 1000. Do you guys have 7 Chinese
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  brothers all? Right.
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  Chris. No, Brian.
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  I like that song though. Absolutely, yeah.
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  John. Yes.
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  And Peter? No all.
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  Right. We'll take a three.
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  We'll take a three, Chris. Good song, all right, I want to
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  get off the first record since we got a couple from there
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  already. Let's stick with, I mean, all
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  right, OK, Let's go with the obvious.
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  It's the end of the world as we know it feels a pressure.
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  I feel fine. Brian.
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  Yeah, John. No.
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  Peter didn't take it. Yeah.
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  Someone wasn't gonna. Peter, how does that feel?
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  It's fun. The one that hurt me was was
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  stand in the last week and not making it that that that hurt.
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  That hurt me a lot afterwards, yeah.
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  I tried to. I even told her wife.
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  She was like, how'd it go? So I'm like, all right, but but
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  Stan didn't make it. She's like what?
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  I'm like, I know. I I in my sleep I came up with
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  this brilliant defensive Stan that I fucking dude.
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  Too bad you guys won't hear how. It's the end of the world as we
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  know it. Peter.
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  Do you got it? I've got it, definitely.
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  Yeah, that's one of my probably, I don't know, maybe top five,
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  but it's up there for sure. Love that song then.
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  Gavin. Yeah, I have it.
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  It's crazy. He mentions Donald Trump in that
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  song. I understand not taking that
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  song. That's something that I would do
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  on other songs of similar kind of like stature.
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  But. Like.
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  I kind of listen to that song and it's just fucking like
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  there's something, there's just something like really amazing
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  about that. And it's kind of the first song
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  that felt public by them when it came out, you know what I mean?
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  Which I wasn't, didn't actually wasn't that happy about, but it
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  was an important song for them. Yeah.
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  Yeah. All right, Brian.
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  You know, I'm going to I'm going to do the opposite of what I try
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  to do on the programmed and I'm going to take my favorite song
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  off of this list, my favorite song that's on this group.
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  It's in my top three R.E.M. Songs from Hi-fi Ebo The Letter.
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  All right, John. No.
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  Right out there. Let's go.
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  Let's give me it. Give me it.
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  Peter. Big yes I have it.
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  OK. Gavin.
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  No. And Chris?
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  No, it was a late cut. That was a late cut.
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  I did like that song. You guys should listen to They
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  have a live version with Thom Yorke doing the Patti Smith part
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  it's really good. That's definitely a song that
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  again, I I, I want to say it was the lead single and I was like,
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  what the fuck is this? And then when I.
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  Yeah, they they Tang to that album because this is the
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  single. And then I I thought.
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  I thought that was awesome. Well, you know.
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  I love that song from the beginning coming back.
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  That's like my favorite. My favorite form of R.E.M.
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  Is like these like haunting kind of songs like haunting the
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  beautiful songs and like they with with like his voice and it
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  just it's like perfect you. Know all right, John, all.
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  Right. Well, I'm going to pick the song
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  that I think should have been the lead single off of hi-fi,
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  and it probably would have changed the entire, you know,
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  conversation around that album because it would have gone back
• 17:45
  to like a classic R.E.M. sound. How about bittersweet me?
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  Peter. Yeah, I got it.
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  All right, Gavin. Yeah, hell yeah.
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  Scream Song. Chris.
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  I I don't, apparently I have the wrong tastes for that.
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  I'm I'm feeling bad about my picks from that record now I'm
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  like, oh shit, I'm going to get some ones.
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  I don't have that one. No, no, sorry all.
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  Right. And Brian?
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  I have it. There you go.
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  Couple fours here. That's all right, Peter.
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  I'm going to jump over to Collapse In and now this song
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  was in the first season of The Bear.
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  It's Oh my heart. Gavin.
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  No. Chris.
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  No, I do not. Brian.
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  No, I don't have that one. And John?
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  No. And I'll tell you why, because
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  they used it in commercials for the University of Georgia that
• 18:57
  they would play like during like the little commercial for your
• 19:02
  school during the football games and stuff.
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  And that ruined it for me. Well.
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  I mean, again, it's one of those things where you have to find
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  reasons. So, all right, it's going to be
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  a rough meet, Gavin. But I'll stay on Collapse the
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  song where it feels like they got some blood flowing again.
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  You guys have all the best the. Best Chris.
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  Yes, finally I got one that's be the largest.
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  Brian. I unfortunately do not.
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  I do like that song but. John.
• 19:46
  No. And Peter?
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  Oh, sorry. Oh.
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  Wow, Yeah, The way this is going, these twos, these two
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  have twos have shots. All right, Chris.
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  All right, let's, I guess let's shoot back up to document
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  another one of my probably top ten.
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  Don't go back to Rockville. All right?
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  I think I'll just get my heartbreak songs out of the way.
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  All right. Rockville, Brian.
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  No, John. Yes, Peter.
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  Yeah. And Gavin?
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  Of course. Nice.
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  With the with the of course, these two sons starting.
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  To yeah, that's. James Yeah, that was that was 4,
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  right? Yeah.
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  All right. I read Gone.
• 20:53
  I read like a whole a book about just the early days of them in
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  Athens and like where they stayed and all the first parties
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  they were playing at. The whole book was just up to, I
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  think, like just coming up to Chronic Town and they were
• 21:08
  talking about maybe a little later because they were talking
• 21:12
  about Mike Mills writing that and about, you know, about
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  Ingrid Shore, the girl he was writing it about.
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  And they interviewed her and she was like, I'm in the whole
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  story. And it was just so cool.
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  Like it was really moving, you know, the whole story.
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  And it's a great song, my great Mike Mills song.
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  All right, so Rockville gets 4 Brian, where you want to go?
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  Did you get us going here? So last episode I talked about
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  Bad Day having to go up against some of the big boys, and this
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  is one of the big boys. I believe it should be on our
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  final 10, but we'll see. The one I love all.
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  Right, John. Of course.
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  I love it, I love hearing and of course, Peter of.
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  Course. Gavin.
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  I do not like that song. Wow.
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  It's OK. Yeah, it's.
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  OK, gloves. Gloves are coming off now.
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  That's a good one. Like, well, again, like that's,
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  that's a good one to hear. Like in that way.
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  That's crazy, Chris. Yes.
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  Absolutely sorry, of course. And I can see not taking it, but
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  to say you don't like it, that's.
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  Yeah, Yeah. That's the interesting like you
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  don't. Care.
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  I was actually afraid to throw that one out there because
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  again, it's like, well, sometimes the bigger radio play
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  songs kind of get shot down so. Yeah, yeah.
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  Saw them live, they opened with that song.
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  Well, through 2 full rounds we've got 1 all the way through,
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  a couple fours, a three and a couple twos, so.
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  This is the one I love. Was 4 right?
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  OK. OK.
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  All right. We're back to you, John.
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  All right, I'm going to go to Collapse in it now and one of my
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  favorite late era R.E.M. Songs about discoverer.
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  Peter. No, I don't.
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  Gavin. Yes.
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  Hey, Chris. No.
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  And Brian? How you do?
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  Wow, another 3/3. 3/1. All right, Peter, I'm.
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  Going to see if I can meet Chris somewhere on New Adventures.
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  How about be Mine? All right, Gavin.
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  Yes. Hey, Chris.
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  Nope. Brian, sorry, no, I don't have
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  it. All right.
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  And John? Yes, the song is amazing.
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  And Peter, you mentioned Thom Yorke before, like, Tom Yorke
• 24:16
  did this song with them, I think at the Tibetan Freedom concert
• 24:20
  in 97. And it it was one of the like,
• 24:25
  for a long time, there was no audio or video for like, there
• 24:29
  was like a 32nd clip. And it was one of like the
• 24:32
  things that I would seek out on the Internet, like hardcore,
• 24:36
  like, I just dying to hear this full version.
• 24:39
  And then a few years ago, someone uploaded like a crappy
• 24:43
  cassette tape version of it to YouTube.
• 24:45
  And you can you can watch it. It's unbelievable.
• 24:47
  Yeah. I absolutely love this song.
• 24:49
  Me too, it's such a beautiful song.
• 24:52
  It is. Look at that.
• 24:54
  It's got a three, a a heavy three I'd say. 3.
• 25:00
  All right, Gabby. Let's go to document.
• 25:05
  You guys have disturbance at the Heron house, Chris?
• 25:10
  Yes Brian, love that song. I know I don't have it.
• 25:18
  All right, John. Yep.
• 25:21
  And Peter? No, that was a late cut.
• 25:28
  Three's about to bump these twos out, Chris.
• 25:34
  All right, well, let's go back to adventures.
• 25:38
  See how see how weird I am. I'm I'm going to get anything
• 25:40
  that somebody had. I can't resist an ellipse and
• 25:44
  song. Thank you, the doormat.
• 25:47
  It's actually my favorite song on that record.
• 25:51
  I really liked the song all right.
• 25:53
  And again, that was all new to me, that record, so.
• 25:56
  Brian. No.
• 26:02
  John. Yeah.
• 26:05
  Nice, Peter. Nath.
• 26:09
  And Gavin? No.
• 26:12
  Well, it doesn't go in the bin, Chris and.
• 26:14
  That's all right. I mean, I'm not attached to it.
• 26:16
  Like I said, I'd never heard it before, but I really don't like
• 26:19
  that. So that was a great song.
• 26:21
  All right, Brian, let. Me go back to Document Lightning
• 26:32
  Hopkins. Whoa, that's always wild thing.
• 26:39
  I love that song. John from.
• 26:43
  This under my nail, right? Sorry hang on a SEC.
• 26:47
  Under my nail right here. Start it underneath your nails.
• 26:54
  Well, let's maybe when Jules is done with her bath, we'll clean
• 26:57
  your nails. It might 9.
• 27:02
  Like it's bleeding. Or maybe we'll cut them.
• 27:05
  No. All right.
• 27:06
  Well, I'll do something. And that's at the end of the
• 27:11
  day. It's.
• 27:15
  Yeah. OK, I'm have a hug and I'll come
• 27:20
  take care of your nail in a little while.
• 27:22
  All right, sorry about that. I was trying to mute and my mute
• 27:28
  button is not doing anything like when I opened discord.
• 27:31
  So. Nice.
• 27:32
  Sorry about that. That's all right.
• 27:35
  John Lightning Hopkins. I do not have that one.
• 27:40
  All right, Peter. Nah.
• 27:43
  Gavin. Oh, but like, total respect.
• 27:47
  That's AI just mean. That's like a radical pick from
• 27:50
  that weird second side of document, you know?
• 27:53
  Yeah, it's fire. All right.
• 27:56
  And Chris? Yeah.
• 27:59
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 28:01
  I like that song a lot. It's a 2 into that, I think.
• 28:10
  I think most everybody's going to be about half done at this
• 28:13
  point, John. OK, I'm you know, as much as you
• 28:23
  are a track one guy, Justin, I'm a last track guy.
• 28:26
  Like give me give me a great last track.
• 28:30
  So let's go electrolyte all. Right there it is.
• 28:36
  There it is, Peter. Fuck yes, that's one of my
• 28:41
  favorite songs by them. Yeah, Gavin.
• 28:45
  Such a great song, yes, and for the vinyl guys, I have the seven
• 28:50
  inch of that. It's pretty cool.
• 28:51
  Nice, Chris. Yeah, yeah, I like that one a
• 28:55
  lot. And Brian?
• 28:59
  We got it. Yeah, I have it, yeah.
• 29:02
  There's one. Interesting, interesting.
• 29:09
  Wouldn't have seen that coming. Michael Stipe originally didn't
• 29:13
  think that that was good enough to be on the album.
• 29:15
  Yeah. Well.
• 29:17
  He was wrong. Are they playing a toy piano on
• 29:21
  New Adventures and on that it sounds like on that song and on
• 29:25
  some other songs there's like a little Yankee toy piano.
• 29:28
  I don't know. Anyway all.
• 29:31
  Right. So electrolyte was John, so
• 29:36
  Peter. Let's see, I want to try to get
• 29:43
  something from Klapsin and now up there, how about Uber, Lynn?
• 29:50
  Gavin. No, sorry.
• 29:53
  Chris. Yep, that's a good one.
• 29:57
  Brian. I do.
• 30:01
  Whoa. And John?
• 30:04
  No. I'm a sucker for a dumb lot.
• 30:14
  Gavin. There's a song on Document that
• 30:19
  kind of reminds me of the beat. Like their love for the B50
• 30:23
  twos. Do you guys have exhuming
• 30:25
  McCarthy? Chris No, no.
• 30:31
  But I really do like that song. Brian.
• 30:36
  Yeah, that's the song I was going to take last round, but I
• 30:42
  yeah, but yeah, I got it. Isn't it nice, John?
• 30:47
  Oh yeah, I got it. All right.
• 30:50
  And Peter? I've got it too. 4.
• 30:57
  The twos is looking about dead all right, Chris.
• 31:07
  Well, this is the song that I I cut that song for see if it was
• 31:12
  a mistake, because I do. I love the B50 twos and I really
• 31:16
  like that song. But I wanted to do some album
• 31:19
  representation, so I picked a bunch from the later records
• 31:21
  too. Let's go wall of death.
• 31:23
  All right. Wall of Death, Brian.
• 31:30
  No. John.
• 31:34
  No love love the choice love love AB side but no.
• 31:38
  Peter. Sorry.
• 31:41
  Oh no. And.
• 31:42
  Gavin. Yeah, I took it.
• 31:47
  I think it's a perfect little song.
• 31:48
  That was so cool that John put it on the list.
• 31:52
  That's another ellipses song too.
• 31:54
  I can tell you I'm a sucker for those songs.
• 31:57
  Yeah. Give me a song that starts with
• 31:59
  an ellipses. I'm I'm all about it.
• 32:01
  Yeah, that's the EBO beside. All right.
• 32:07
  And Brian? Let's see, let me go back to
• 32:15
  reckoning time after time. John.
• 32:24
  In the immortal words of Pavement, Time After Time was my
• 32:27
  least favorite song. No.
• 32:31
  Peter. I like Cyndi Lauper's version
• 32:35
  better so now. Gavin.
• 32:40
  For Steven Malcolm is yes, I do have time after time.
• 32:43
  Wow, Chris. Same as Peter.
• 32:49
  No, I don't have it, sorry. 222 Just for a check real quick
• 32:55
  before we go into this next round.
• 32:56
  Where you at, John? Oh, I've got 3-6, I've got 8
• 33:03
  left. Oh wow, OK, still plenty of
• 33:05
  gameplay here. Where do you want to go?
• 33:16
  I kind of want to stay on the the last tracks.
• 33:21
  Let's do Odd Fellows Local 151. Peter.
• 33:28
  No. Gavin.
• 33:32
  No, but that's a crazy song. I wish I.
• 33:34
  Yeah, Chris. Yeah, I, I, no, I really dig
• 33:40
  that song though. All right.
• 33:42
  And Brian? No, I don't have it.
• 33:46
  All right into the bin. Sorry A.
• 33:50
  Little too crazy a. Little too bad.
• 33:54
  No such respect. All right, Peter.
• 33:58
  I'm going to go back to New Adventures.
• 34:03
  I think this is their longest song.
• 34:05
  I could be wrong. Leave.
• 34:10
  Interesting, Gavin. No.
• 34:15
  Chris. No too long.
• 34:22
  Brian. I don't think it's too long, but
• 34:25
  I don't have it. And John?
• 34:29
  I'll save you. I think this song is incredible.
• 34:31
  Not even that like siren guitar can ruin it like I I love this.
• 34:36
  There's a lot. There's also a really good remix
• 34:38
  of it out there. We take it to technically alive,
• 34:43
  but probably not Gavin. Track one big song you guys have
• 34:52
  finest work song from document. Chris.
• 34:57
  Oh yeah. Brian.
• 35:00
  Yeah. John.
• 35:04
  Yep. And Peter?
• 35:07
  That's a 5. Yeah.
• 35:09
  Nice. Yeah, that's a great song.
• 35:12
  I'm not sure why we took so long to say it.
• 35:17
  Yeah, we're, we're all traumatized now.
• 35:19
  Everyone was afraid it was gonna get.
• 35:20
  I could have won. Well, look at that.
• 35:25
  Guys all didn't even put in pretty persuasion.
• 35:27
  But I'm not better, it's fine. Well then just like that,
• 35:31
  there's there's 3 all the way through.
• 35:33
  Like these fours are looking good.
• 35:35
  Threes are starting to look kind of iffy.
• 35:38
  Careful. Let's see.
• 35:43
  Finest work song was Gavin, right?
• 35:47
  Me So Chris. All right, let's go back to this
• 35:52
  newer stuff. Alligator, Aviator, Autopilot,
• 35:56
  Antimatter. Brian.
• 36:01
  No, that was such a late cut. All right, John.
• 36:06
  Yeah, it's a cool song, but no. Peter.
• 36:11
  I like it, but I have it on my last.
• 36:14
  And Gavin? No.
• 36:17
  Bin time. Yeah, bin time.
• 36:19
  That was one of one of my favorite ones on that record.
• 36:22
  Bin time for your fave. Again.
• 36:26
  All right, Brian. All right, I'm gonna stick on
• 36:31
  that that album only because I really like I really like this
• 36:35
  title. And I don't think he's talking
• 36:38
  about what title indicates. I still like it.
• 36:44
  A Mine smell like honey. John.
• 36:52
  No, they have another song about honey that's better, yeah.
• 36:56
  Peter. Same thing.
• 37:00
  Gavin. Oh, sorry.
• 37:02
  And Chris? No, yeah, I got it.
• 37:05
  I like that one. That's a good old song.
• 37:09
  Saved from the abyss of the bin. All right, John.
• 37:19
  All right, let's let's stick with the last tracks about blue.
• 37:24
  Peter. Nope.
• 37:27
  Gavin. No.
• 37:30
  Chris. No.
• 37:32
  And Brian? No.
• 37:36
  Just gonna disrespect the last song they ever released.
• 37:38
  That's fine. Crashed.
• 37:43
  All right, Peter. This song features Mr. Eddie
• 37:50
  Vedder on backing vocals. It happened today all.
• 37:55
  Right, Gavin? No, Chris.
• 38:00
  Nope. Brian.
• 38:04
  Somehow I missed that fact, but yes, I do have it.
• 38:06
  Hey, and John. Yes.
• 38:11
  Hey, let me take another three. Why not?
• 38:17
  All right, Gavin. A glorious song on Reckoning.
• 38:22
  You guys have Harbor code? Chris.
• 38:26
  It starts with an ellipses. Hell yeah, I got it.
• 38:30
  Brian. No.
• 38:35
  John. Yeah, you got to say like Harper
• 38:38
  Coat. Yeah, I got.
• 38:41
  It and Peter. I've got it.
• 38:44
  Another 4. I got the right one down again.
• 38:49
  I've only had to write down 3 so far, so that's good.
• 38:53
  All right, Chris. You write down the ones that you
• 38:58
  didn't think. I never thought of that.
• 39:00
  It's a good idea. How long have I been doing this
• 39:03
  show? Wow, that's a good idea.
• 39:09
  Well, just like all of my picks, I am starting a second guessing.
• 39:14
  Here. All right, Brian.
• 39:23
  I missed that song, sorry, what was it?
• 39:25
  Second guessing? Oh no.
• 39:30
  John. No.
• 39:33
  Peter. I've I've got it.
• 39:35
  A and Gavin. Yep.
• 39:39
  A Take that 3, all right? And before you choose your next
• 39:46
  one, Brian, you want to give me a check of where you're at?
• 39:50
  Yes, say that 2. 3. 44 left. All right, So I feel like
• 40:00
  everybody should be roughly and you know, they might have a
• 40:03
  couple more than you, so maybe we just play out Brian's 4.
• 40:11
  All right, Brian, where you want to go?
• 40:14
  How about another kind of weird one?
• 40:16
  How about a king of birds? John.
• 40:21
  No. Peter.
• 40:23
  Nope. Gavin.
• 40:26
  Yeah, I love that song. And Chris?
• 40:31
  No. Again, twos are basically in the
• 40:36
  bin, but at least they're not lonely.
• 40:41
  John All. Right.
• 40:44
  I've only got 2 left and they're they're both from new Adventures
• 40:48
  in High FI Spoiler alert. So I'm gonna go with one another
• 40:53
  one that probably should have been a single new test leper.
• 40:58
  Peter. I don't have it.
• 41:02
  You have it. Yeah, grades home.
• 41:05
  Chris. No, sorry.
• 41:08
  And Brian? No, don't have that one.
• 41:12
  We'll take the 2. We'll see where if you've got
• 41:16
  one left after this, the rest of this round.
• 41:19
  John, Peter. I think this is a solid track 1
• 41:27
  how the West was won and where it got us.
• 41:31
  Gavin. Oh, it's such a really strange
• 41:35
  song. I like it.
• 41:37
  I didn't take it. Chris.
• 41:40
  Yeah, same. Sorry.
• 41:42
  Brian. No, I don't have it.
• 41:47
  And John? That's my last one.
• 41:50
  There you go. So no more unanimous, unanimous
• 41:54
  out there, but you guys managed to get 3, so that's good.
• 41:59
  All right, Gavin, you want to give me a check where you're at?
• 42:04
  I have two. All right, perfect.
• 42:06
  Where you want to go next? Let's stay on reckoning.
• 42:11
  Do you guys have letter never sent?
• 42:14
  Chris. No.
• 42:16
  Brian. I do not.
• 42:20
  And Peter? No.
• 42:23
  All right, Chris, where do you want to go?
• 42:25
  All right, I just realized something.
• 42:26
  This is embarrassing as hell. It has nothing to do with
• 42:28
  anything. You guys must be thinking.
• 42:30
  What the fuck is he talking about?
• 42:31
  All these ellipses? I just realized when I play a
• 42:34
  song, because I've got Spotify on the side and I pause it, it
• 42:38
  puts an ellipses in front of the song.
• 42:40
  So I keep thinking all these fucking song titles start with
• 42:42
  ellipses. You.
• 42:44
  Know that's and none of them fucking did, because I'm just
• 42:49
  like, Oh yeah, it's kind of, it starts with an ellipses.
• 42:52
  That's a great song. It's because I was just playing
• 42:53
  it. I was.
• 42:56
  I noticed that, but I wasn't going to say anything.
• 42:59
  So I'm just a stupid idiot and I'm embarrassed as hell right
• 43:03
  now. I don't want to go on anymore.
• 43:05
  You did not have. Hey you.
• 43:06
  Picked some good songs from them, yeah?
• 43:11
  Thinking they're somewhere on a R.E.M. record where they just
• 43:14
  put ellipses in front of everything totally fucking makes
• 43:17
  sense. So I was rolling.
• 43:18
  With like what the fuck? Oh my God.
• 43:19
  Anyways, I've got 123 or left all.
• 43:25
  Right. Wow.
• 43:26
  Like I said, I dance to a different drummer sometimes, so
• 43:31
  start at the top. How about strange?
• 43:36
  No. All right, Peter, I've got it
• 43:40
  Nice. And Gavin Strange.
• 43:43
  No but I love the the wire song is like fucking amazing.
• 43:48
  All right, Brian, I think the math is you're down to one or
• 43:54
  two here. 30, OK, 1 + 2 is what I meant to say where you want to
• 44:05
  go. Let's.
• 44:07
  Go to sponge. Peter.
• 44:16
  No, I don't have it. Gavin.
• 44:20
  No. And Chris?
• 44:22
  No. Both of the B sides got picked.
• 44:26
  That's crazy. Good job.
• 44:29
  All right, Peter, you want to give me a check where you're at?
• 44:32
  This is my last one all. Right where you want to.
• 44:37
  Go fireplace on document. Man, you guys are taking all
• 44:44
  those second side weird songs. They don't have it.
• 44:49
  What a crazy pig. Chris.
• 44:52
  Yeah, no, that's a great song, but I don't have it.
• 44:56
  And Brian? Do not all.
• 44:59
  Right. So John and Peter are out,
• 45:05
  Gavin. My last song Heavy heavy vibe
• 45:11
  you guys have. Welcome to the occupation of
• 45:14
  Document. Chris No.
• 45:18
  And Brian? No.
• 45:19
  No, I don't have it. All right.
• 45:23
  Good tune. Chris.
• 45:26
  What do I got? 3 left, No2 left, No 3 left.
• 45:31
  I'm sorry I'm just going down the list now.
• 45:34
  How about the wake up bomb? No, no, I really wanted to take
• 45:39
  that, but didn't it? All right.
• 45:42
  Brian. How about little America?
• 45:48
  No all. Right, Chris?
• 45:54
  Departure. Nope.
• 45:57
  OK. Brian.
• 46:01
  Last one, not a tool cover undertow.
• 46:06
  No, all right. And then?
• 46:09
  My last that someone is you that.
• 46:14
  Someone is you. Let's get that a shift here
• 46:20
  looks like we got 42 out of 49 Nice.
• 46:27
  It's it's interesting because you got more through unanimously
• 46:30
  this go, but you also hit the bin a whole lot more very.
• 46:33
  Interesting. So there's a wide range of weird
• 46:38
  songs on these four records. So we've got three through to
• 46:43
  start. South Central Rain electrolyte
• 46:45
  finest work song art in let's run down these fours first, then
• 46:49
  we'll we'll start the conversation there we got it's
• 46:52
  the end of the world as we know it.
• 46:54
  Bittersweet me don't go back to Rockville.
• 46:57
  The one I love exhuming McCarthy and harbor code.
• 47:02
  Is there one of those, John, that you're kind of looking at
• 47:04
  like, wow, I can't believe we didn't get that?
• 47:09
  I mean there's there's the obvious ones, but I think the
• 47:15
  one I love and and Rockville are are the obvious ones, but I
• 47:19
  think bittersweet me too. Like that's a really classic
• 47:23
  sound for them. And I think it it really stands
• 47:27
  out on their record. If if if it would have had a
• 47:28
  shot, it would have been it would have been a big hit
• 47:30
  probably, though. That's that's one that sticks
• 47:32
  out to me. So Peter, he's positing
• 47:36
  bittersweet me. I mean as you know going against
• 47:41
  some of the obvious ones, would you OfferUp something else or
• 47:45
  back that or what are you thinking?
• 47:51
  I would back that. I don't know how that would face
• 47:58
  up against like the bigger songs in the final round.
• 48:02
  Yeah, that one has. To come into account here.
• 48:06
  I think it's kind of crazy that the one I love is out of four.
• 48:12
  Now let's talk about that real quick.
• 48:15
  Real quick, though, because like Gavin flat out said, I don't
• 48:19
  like that song. Is that I just don't like that
• 48:23
  song, period, end of story. Like there's nothing you can say
• 48:26
  to move me. Or is that a song where you feel
• 48:30
  like you can understand why it would be part of this?
• 48:33
  Because it it sounds like if it were to somehow get through, it
• 48:36
  doesn't stand much of a chance, at least on your end it in in
• 48:40
  the grander scheme. What's a big R.E.M. song?
• 48:44
  I mean, the thing I don't like about it is that I think it's
• 48:48
  the chorus. Once you hear it, what once,
• 48:50
  it's just drives me crazy. It's boring.
• 48:53
  What I do like about it is that it's subversive.
• 48:57
  It sounds like it's a love song and it's totally a fucked up,
• 49:00
  dark song and I really like the words to it.
• 49:04
  So I mean, you know, it's hard for me to argue against any
• 49:07
  R.E.M. songs. I love them.
• 49:09
  It's it's way, way down on the list for me, as you know, but
• 49:13
  I'm not going to I'm not going to argue again like it's fine if
• 49:16
  you guys want to put it in. I, I mean, did we we're throwing
• 49:20
  that up against bittersweet me right now, No.
• 49:23
  No, I was just asking because you were the stand out there and
• 49:26
  the one I love and that's come up twice already, so.
• 49:32
  Yeah, I think it does its trick too many times and it just gets
• 49:35
  old really fast. So, you know, again, I mean, so
• 49:42
  he's saying he's he's not, he's not going to stand in the way of
• 49:46
  it, but he's also not sold Chris.
• 49:51
  I mean, I it's a great song. Of all the big ones that didn't
• 49:59
  get fives, I would say what it's the end of the world's.
• 50:02
  We know it. The one I love and don't go back
• 50:04
  to Rockville. I mean, I, I think Rockville is
• 50:09
  my favorite of those three and End of the World would be the
• 50:13
  second favorite of those three. So the one I love if it had to
• 50:16
  go, you know, if it came down to came down to it, I could see it
• 50:21
  going just because it is overplayed.
• 50:23
  It is pretty repetitive. I could see that one gone all.
• 50:28
  Right. So, you know, not moving
• 50:31
  mountains either way, but he has posited this Brian and this came
• 50:37
  up with John as well. You know, the the End of the
• 50:41
  world and Rockville as sure, they're obvious, but since
• 50:46
  they're obvious, should we just put them in at this point?
• 50:49
  Oh no, I was talking about the one I love, not end of the
• 50:51
  world. I I do not want end of the world
• 50:53
  on this list that that song is not needed.
• 50:56
  Yeah, so I, I just threw end of the world in there as a nod to
• 51:03
  it. I thought like, I don't know, I
• 51:07
  didn't think it was good of a song.
• 51:08
  Like just as good as long period as like 1.
• 51:11
  I love or don't go back to rock. So Rockville like seems to be
• 51:17
  the consensus obvious. Yeah, that's the one that I was
• 51:20
  out on. But but I'm I'm, I'm fine
• 51:23
  pushing that. So I will give my 5th vote for
• 51:26
  Rockville. All right, so let's grab
• 51:29
  Rockville. We grab bittersweet me.
• 51:33
  Did we end that conversation or no?
• 51:36
  We didn't end that, but let's let's hit bittersweet Me now,
• 51:40
  Gabby. No, go ahead, Chris.
• 51:43
  I I was the holdout on that one and but I'm fine with it.
• 51:47
  It's a great song all. Right, easy enough.
• 51:52
  Boom, that takes us up to 5. All right, so it sounds like not
• 52:00
  only did it get only four, but John vehemently does not want
• 52:07
  end of the world. So I mean, that opens up the
• 52:11
  door for I mean, theoretically, all the rest of the fours could
• 52:15
  go in, but we if we've grabbed now bittersweet me is these
• 52:23
  exhuming McCarthy harbor coat. Do they stand a chance, John, or
• 52:26
  should we start looking at threes?
• 52:28
  No, I think either either one of those is a is a better choice.
• 52:33
  Exhuming McCarthy, especially I think is a is a great underrated
• 52:37
  R.E.M. song, especially on document.
• 52:39
  I think, yeah, that that one that one is great.
• 52:43
  But yeah, there's some of the threes I think too, like we're
• 52:47
  I'm looking at like 7 Chinese brothers is great discoverer be
• 52:50
  mine. Those I think would I would
• 52:56
  pick, Oh, even over some of the force.
• 53:00
  We don't have so we have. So right now we have 2 off New
• 53:03
  Adventures, 2 off Reckoning, one off Document.
• 53:08
  So exhuming McCarthy would give us two off Document.
• 53:12
  We have nothing off Collapse and there were no fours off
• 53:14
  Collapse. So Discoverer as a three if
• 53:18
  we're talking album, just for the sake of that conversation
• 53:21
  about album representation. I would I would love Discoverer
• 53:25
  to make it. I think that's that's such a
• 53:26
  cool song. Yeah, me too.
• 53:28
  Well, let let me ask you this cause like again, the difference
• 53:31
  between the championship edition and you know, just a regular
• 53:35
  episode deprogrammed is album representation is nice, but
• 53:41
  where, where is that going to stand in the big list of 40?
• 53:45
  Like is does that have a shot of of making your list, John, do
• 53:48
  you think? Yeah, I mean, the, I mean, the
• 53:53
  way I'm going to do it is I'm I'm going to wipe the slate
• 53:55
  clean and I'm going to pick the pick the songs that grab me.
• 53:59
  And I think absolutely any, any song that makes the the the
• 54:02
  final 40 as a shot. All right, so let's tackle
• 54:06
  exhuming McCarthy first. Chris, you were the odd man out
• 54:09
  there. Was there a a particular reason
• 54:11
  it just didn't hit you the right way?
• 54:13
  The. Right to no, I mean it, it is.
• 54:17
  There's no particular reason I didn't put it in there.
• 54:20
  Probably I had a lot off docket with those first two records
• 54:24
  because that's what I was familiar with.
• 54:27
  And then I felt again, I felt like, well, I we need to get
• 54:30
  some of the stuff from the later records in.
• 54:32
  So I made a lot of cuts that I probably normally wouldn't have
• 54:34
  made. I think I'm trying to play old
• 54:38
  like regular deprogrammed and not championship to programmed.
• 54:42
  When I was making this list, I was trying to get some stuff in
• 54:45
  there like, Oh well. But Exhuming McCarthy is a great
• 54:49
  song. I like that one a lot.
• 54:50
  And we got nothing against it all.
• 54:52
  Right. So let's.
• 54:53
  Danny I'm not going to argue against any any song off of
• 54:55
  those first two records all. Right, so let's grab that.
• 54:58
  All right, so Peter, I mean, we're looking at, you know,
• 55:01
  Harbour coat is still alive for we can start looking at these
• 55:06
  threes to kind of start bringing them into conversation.
• 55:09
  Discover has already been brought up as a song from
• 55:13
  Collapse into Now. Like I don't know where how you
• 55:15
  feel about that song. It's fine.
• 55:21
  I like I want to get in the way of putting it through, but I
• 55:24
  don't see myself picking it later on.
• 55:27
  Right. How about Harbor code like
• 55:31
  again, so where are we? We get 6 so we've got room for
• 55:36
  4/4 at this point, you know, end of the world and the one I love
• 55:43
  technically still alive. But again, I don't want to say
• 55:47
  John put his foot down, but he has made it known that he'd like
• 55:50
  to do this without it. I feel like Gavin in not so much
• 55:56
  the same way, but kind of the same thing with the one I love
• 55:59
  is like he wouldn't get in the way of it, but you'd prefer not
• 56:03
  to have it. So I mean we're looking at the
• 56:07
  only other four left is is harbour code.
• 56:09
  Is there another three that you you would go to bat 4?
• 56:13
  Would you try to rather put a Harbor code through?
• 56:20
  I'm looking at B mine and I think that one really needs to
• 56:26
  go through. Agree.
• 56:30
  Yeah. I'd be good with that.
• 56:31
  I don't know about trading out Harbor code for it, but just on
• 56:34
  its own that should be in there all.
• 56:37
  Right, Chris Bryan, you guys were the the odd man out, odd
• 56:40
  men out on B mine. Is there a particular reason or?
• 56:45
  I mean it, it is a very pretty song, but I'm I'm a bigger fan
• 56:50
  of their their more rock and songs that I think that's
• 56:54
  probably why I cut it. I felt it was just a little too
• 56:56
  slow for me. Right.
• 56:59
  Yeah, I didn't. I mean, I didn't think it was
• 57:01
  too slow, you know, like I said, no, like I like a lot of like
• 57:04
  the slower R.E.M. Songs.
• 57:12
  I mean, I'd be fine, you know, you know, putting it, you know,
• 57:17
  putting it up against like the other fours of these Lee
• 57:23
  McCarthy, you know what I love? I would put it above end of the.
• 57:29
  So I'll give you that. So it's a reluctant, you know,
• 57:35
  not wanting to necessarily put it through but also not wanting
• 57:39
  to kill it, Yeah. Which is crazy because I took
• 57:42
  end of the world but not be mine so I don't apparently.
• 57:44
  I don't know. All right, so maybe we need to
• 57:50
  start like putting some things down here because it, it feels
• 57:53
  like we're, we're not really getting anywhere.
• 57:58
  If we need to get, I mean, I'd be willing to let it's the end
• 58:01
  of the world as we as we know it.
• 58:04
  I love that song so much. But that's, you know, that's
• 58:07
  just me. If if you bring back disturbance
• 58:09
  at the Heron House, I could let that song go.
• 58:13
  Hey. I'm good with that me.
• 58:15
  Too. Because that's also another
• 58:17
  that's a great tune that I was surprised didn't have more do
• 58:21
  it. All right, so Peter and Brian
• 58:27
  were odd out on the disturbance at Heron House.
• 58:33
  It's being posited to be put through at this point.
• 58:38
  Is there a? Yeah, I mean, I would take that
• 58:40
  over over end of the world if, if that's the trade off then.
• 58:49
  I love End of the World but but it kind of feels like a novelty
• 58:53
  song at this point. Great.
• 58:56
  So I think I would pick Disturbance over that.
• 59:00
  OK, Yeah. It's just a chance for
• 59:01
  everybody. TL Leonard Bernstein all.
• 59:06
  Right, so officially laying down end of the world.
• 59:11
  Let's take disturbance then. That's what it's sounding like.
• 59:16
  Yeah. All right, so that puts us up to
• 59:18
  7. If we have just say, if we have
• 59:21
  a minute, can everyone really just justify why?
• 59:26
  Pretty persuasion was not higher.
• 59:32
  Yeah. Like I know that that would that
• 59:33
  feels like an hour and a half ago at this point, but it did
• 59:36
  only get to that is an incredible song.
• 59:39
  I feel like at least at least if you guys could just justify that
• 59:43
  for me, that would help. So that's all the middles.
• 59:49
  Peter, Gavin, Chris. Yeah, I love it.
• 59:52
  I I mean, I love AI, just love a lot of songs off Reckoning more
• 59:56
  than that. I had so many songs off
• 59:58
  Reckoning. I had to like, I had to like
• 1:00:00
  cool My Jets and it it's not, it's not in my top half favorite
• 1:00:05
  on Reckoning. Wow.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah, I mean, I'm probably pretty much the same.
• 1:00:12
  It's a great song. I like it a lot.
• 1:00:13
  I had it and again probably cut it for one of these songs off
• 1:00:18
  the later records trying to get album representation in.
• 1:00:23
  Because I didn't want to. I could have just come in and
• 1:00:25
  been like, OK, every song off Document, every song off
• 1:00:27
  Reckoning and like, I just didn't want to do that.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah, exactly, exactly. Spoilers next round.
• 1:00:34
  I kind of did not, did not go that route.
• 1:00:37
  We'll see that, though in our next show.
• 1:00:39
  Well, I will say watching that video you said though, I I was
• 1:00:43
  like, fuck, I love that song. You know, like.
• 1:00:46
  I forgot I. Didn't get a chance to go watch
• 1:00:49
  it and maybe if I did I might have gone back to my list today.
• 1:00:54
  I'll go watch it right now. We got time.
• 1:00:56
  Right. You know, yeah, this this
• 1:00:59
  actually this round is the one I spent the least amount of time
• 1:01:02
  on and mainly because I hadn't heard those two records and and
• 1:01:08
  honestly wanted to get to the later round.
• 1:01:10
  So because I wanted to get it done thinking I had to get it
• 1:01:13
  done. And then we ended up having a
• 1:01:14
  lot more time than I thought so. So you're positive that we that
• 1:01:19
  we we advance pretty persuasion over?
• 1:01:24
  I'd like you to just be in the. I'd like you to be in the
• 1:01:27
  conversation. Yeah, I'm.
• 1:01:29
  Completely fine with that. Again, anything off those first
• 1:01:33
  two records, I'm not going to. I'm not going to give much
• 1:01:37
  argument against SO. What I'll do is I'll.
• 1:01:40
  Like we've got what, Justin? Sorry, we've got 7 right now,
• 1:01:43
  right? So we've got room for three
• 1:01:44
  more, yeah. Yeah, So what I'm going to do is
• 1:01:48
  I'm going to put it A2 next to Chris with.
• 1:01:52
  So that'll bump pretty persuasion from A2 to a three.
• 1:01:56
  So it's technically in a conversation.
• 1:01:57
  So let's do this now because at this point with only three left,
• 1:02:04
  Gavin has said he wouldn't get in the way of the one I love.
• 1:02:08
  But at this point, with only three left, is one of the one I
• 1:02:12
  love, one of the three that you'd go to bat for Peter?
• 1:02:19
  I think so. I think I agree that the song is
• 1:02:23
  repetitive, but I think it it it works for them.
• 1:02:26
  It's just a simple song. Chris has already said that he'd
• 1:02:30
  be willing to bow out on the One I Love.
• 1:02:32
  Brian. Would would the One I Love be
• 1:02:34
  one of the final three at this point for you?
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, yeah, the one I love is one of their best songs.
• 1:02:42
  And this is this is crazy. This is that's.
• 1:02:44
  The crazy. I haven't said each conversation
• 1:02:47
  right. I said the 1 I loved before that
• 1:02:50
  I conceded on End of the world as We Know it.
• 1:02:53
  Though. If I got to lose end of the
• 1:02:55
  world as we know it, I want to keep this the one I love.
• 1:02:58
  Oh. There you go.
• 1:02:59
  Yeah. So.
• 1:03:01
  Yeah, so John again. Spooky talk.
• 1:03:05
  John, we're looking at like only three left Is the one I love one
• 1:03:08
  of those 3. Yeah, I, I think it, I don't
• 1:03:15
  know. I mean, I'm, it's tough.
• 1:03:19
  Like I'm going to stand my voice because I'm sitting here looking
• 1:03:22
  at all these songs, thinking about how much I like them.
• 1:03:25
  But I mean, yeah, it's it's undeniable.
• 1:03:28
  I mean, it was, it was a huge something.
• 1:03:32
  It was like it broke them like in a, in a big way.
• 1:03:36
  So yeah, I think, I think the one I love is in.
• 1:03:39
  All right. And now, Gavin, this is your
• 1:03:41
  your, your last shot at this. Like you've already said, you're
• 1:03:43
  you wouldn't stand in the way, but you can.
• 1:03:47
  Here's your opportunity. Well, the only I would just say
• 1:03:50
  the same thing that like John says, is that we don't need it.
• 1:03:54
  It's not one of the best songs already I'm ever wrote, but but
• 1:04:00
  I'm conceding that I'm hearing it different than not only the
• 1:04:05
  panel but a bazillion other people that fucking love that
• 1:04:08
  song for some weird reason. There are, there are like
• 1:04:14
  there's probably a lot of people out there who don't like R.E.M.,
• 1:04:18
  but this is like the one R.E.M. Song they like.
• 1:04:22
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  All right. So on Valentine's Day.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, right. So I I think that's it's the end
• 1:04:28
  of the world as we know it. Yeah, yeah, I hear.
• 1:04:32
  I hear you and. Stand apparently so the.
• 1:04:36
  Thing about the end of the world, I'll just say I I think
• 1:04:41
  it's a it's and I'm not arguing that we put it in I think it's a
• 1:04:45
  mistake to think of it as a novelty song.
• 1:04:48
  I think that I get why that it looks like that it's wearing
• 1:04:52
  that costume, but when you like just just like the string of
• 1:04:57
  words that he puts together is so like they pull that song off
• 1:05:03
  like like walking a tightrope. It's a fucking perfect song and
• 1:05:08
  and silly and fun, but also it's got some fucked up, really smart
• 1:05:16
  shit behind it. And like, yeah, I just think
• 1:05:19
  it's a fantastic feat. Like, it's just an amazing thing
• 1:05:22
  in the world that they did that. Yeah, I think if, if we're, if
• 1:05:25
  we're doing this in, in 1988 or 1989, it's probably #1 no doubt.
• 1:05:29
  But I think it part of the, the argument against it, it's a
• 1:05:34
  little dated now. Like it's, it's, it's, it's
• 1:05:37
  2025. Like do we, do we need to go
• 1:05:40
  back to that right now? And I don't think so.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah, I hear you. What about OK, Dusty, can I just
• 1:05:46
  like sure royal. So we take the one I love.
• 1:05:53
  We do begin in discoverer off collapse and we do harbor code.
• 1:06:00
  See, that would be my Yeah, close.
• 1:06:02
  Because the net was going to be the next thing I was going to go
• 1:06:04
  to because we still have Harbor Code there with four.
• 1:06:09
  Well, we'll go right down the line.
• 1:06:10
  John, he's positing Harbor Code and Discover.
• 1:06:14
  You've already kind of gone to bat for Discover.
• 1:06:17
  Yeah, I mean kids, I. Really like it's called.
• 1:06:21
  Oh, wait. And they they also have.
• 1:06:25
  The voices are back. It's going.
• 1:06:29
  To be great when. Is that just in my head or is
• 1:06:30
  anybody else hearing that? We got bittersweet in right.
• 1:06:38
  Yes, Bittersweet Me is in yes. Cool, yeah.
• 1:06:42
  So yeah, like if if the one I love is in and we have two more
• 1:06:47
  spots, I would love discover to get in.
• 1:06:51
  I think that's that's very cool. Still, though, I'm I might pick
• 1:06:58
  either Pretty Persuasion or Seven Chinese Brothers over
• 1:07:01
  Harper Coat. All right, well, you know,
• 1:07:06
  everybody's pitching to like Peter.
• 1:07:10
  Of the ones that are left, what would be the two that you would
• 1:07:12
  pick? I mean, I'm still upset that EBO
• 1:07:17
  the letter only got 2. Yeah, seriously.
• 1:07:22
  Let's bring that back. Let's bring back Ebo.
• 1:07:24
  The letter. Just keep.
• 1:07:25
  Me. OK, can I, you know the letter?
• 1:07:31
  Fucking dude, Everybody that I know and respect loves that
• 1:07:34
  fucking song. Like my homies that are like
• 1:07:36
  R.E.M. fanatics, my girlfriend fucking, I don't, I can't hear
• 1:07:41
  it it, it sounds so boring. I can't get a grasp on it.
• 1:07:45
  And I love ambient music. And then Patti Smith at the end
• 1:07:49
  is awesome, but she does the same Patti Smith thing.
• 1:07:53
  That is. Go to better songs on horses and
• 1:07:56
  she's doing it. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:57
  So it's like, I don't understand the appeal of that song other
• 1:08:01
  than it's like, oh, it's so cool, Patti Smith's on it.
• 1:08:03
  But you, what do you guys like love about that?
• 1:08:06
  People fucking love that song and I don't get it.
• 1:08:10
  I like the, I like the atmosphere of the song and I
• 1:08:13
  like the I like the stream of consciousness lyrics that he's
• 1:08:19
  doing in that song. Yeah.
• 1:08:23
  And I like Patti Smith's part, and I like even more when Thom
• 1:08:29
  York does that part. All right, so we'll let's tackle
• 1:08:36
  this. So I'll ask you this first and
• 1:08:38
  then then you can pick two, Gavin posited.
• 1:08:42
  Harbour coat and discoverer. John has backed discoverer, but
• 1:08:48
  hat hasn't picked necessarily a second one yet.
• 1:08:55
  Would you back either of those or would you put another two up?
• 1:09:05
  Who me? Yes, you.
• 1:09:06
  I'm sorry, Peter. Yes.
• 1:09:11
  I would back harbour coat. You all right, Chris?
• 1:09:16
  Again, Gavin has posited Harbour Coat and Discoverer and John,
• 1:09:23
  John has backed his discoverer. Now Peter has backed Harbour
• 1:09:27
  Coat. Yeah, you can, you know, back
• 1:09:32
  one or both of those or throw something else out there.
• 1:09:36
  No, I'll go Harbour Coat for sure because I picked it
• 1:09:41
  obviously and I'll go back to pretty persuasion.
• 1:09:45
  That's a. Yeah.
• 1:09:48
  It's a great song. It was a super late cut for me
• 1:09:50
  and again, it was probably because I wanted to include some
• 1:09:53
  of the later stuff that I probably didn't like as much but
• 1:09:57
  felt like it. I needed more from those later
• 1:09:59
  records and. Just to complicate things gone
• 1:10:03
  throughout 7 Chinese brothers also off reckoning which I would
• 1:10:06
  switch for but not pretty persuasion so I'd be cool with
• 1:10:10
  Harvard code or seven brothers. See, I don't want, I don't want
• 1:10:16
  to dump Harbour Coat for both 7 Chinese brothers and Pretty
• 1:10:19
  Persuasion. I want, I'd rather yeah, I'm
• 1:10:23
  put. I'll stick with.
• 1:10:25
  I'll throw my hat in for Harbour Coat and Pretty Persuasion.
• 1:10:28
  All right, Brian. I was going to, I was going to
• 1:10:33
  just throw him, throw in for the two fours for Xumi McCarthy,
• 1:10:36
  which I don't remember if that's out or not.
• 1:10:38
  No, it's in. It's.
• 1:10:39
  Already in. Oh, it's in.
• 1:10:40
  Totally in in OK everyone check it off OK, so harbour Co.
• 1:10:45
  I was the one out yeah, I'm fine on that reckoning.
• 1:10:50
  That's actually good. So that bumps that up to A5 then
• 1:10:55
  I'll put that and discover I did.
• 1:11:02
  I did want to see pretty like I have AI have a tough time yeah,
• 1:11:07
  moving sent from 2 up to A5, you know, like I gotta just accept
• 1:11:12
  it. 7 Chinese brothers was really strange that like a 4-5.
• 1:11:21
  But yeah, I mean I'm I would say definitely push harbor.
• 1:11:26
  All right, so we're taking Harbor Coat now.
• 1:11:31
  There's been an array of other songs pushed forward.
• 1:11:34
  You know Brian will say posthumously even though he's
• 1:11:38
  not dead backed be mine. Chris did the same with pretty
• 1:11:44
  persuasion to make it a three discoverer has been thrown out
• 1:11:48
  there like the gauntlets out there.
• 1:11:50
  John, if you want discover like this is where you got to go for
• 1:11:53
  it. Or would you rather a different
• 1:11:56
  one at #10? Yeah.
• 1:11:58
  See, I thought like I thought discoverer was going to be the
• 1:12:02
  one we were going to push through instead of Harbor code
• 1:12:04
  and then we have that discussion.
• 1:12:06
  But now, like I would say pretty persuasion or seven Chinese
• 1:12:12
  brothers has a better shot at the end than discover doesn't
• 1:12:16
  mean discover is 1 where I mean, I, I, I love it.
• 1:12:20
  But I mean, looking at this, you're going to be looking at
• 1:12:23
  this list and I know I, you know, I'm going to contradict
• 1:12:25
  myself a little bit. I said, you know, you listen to
• 1:12:27
  everything in the finals and give it a fair shot.
• 1:12:29
  But I think that's one of the ones that you talk about.
• 1:12:32
  Oh, it would be happy to be there and like it would it would
• 1:12:37
  be kind of sad to have nothing from collapsing to now.
• 1:12:40
  But there's just so much front loaded end and middle loaded
• 1:12:45
  that I mean, you're I mean pretty persuasion or seven
• 1:12:49
  Chinese brothers, I think would have a fair shot at the at the
• 1:12:52
  end more than discover. So I would I mean, and it feels
• 1:12:56
  like probably 7 Chinese brothers has, if I'm listening to you
• 1:13:00
  guys, has a better shot. But either one of those I would
• 1:13:03
  I would pick over discover at this point.
• 1:13:05
  I also want to ask. Go ahead.
• 1:13:08
  Sorry. Go ahead.
• 1:13:09
  No, you go. I'm just realizing that we
• 1:13:11
  didn't be mine is like biting the dust.
• 1:13:13
  That's exactly what I was gonna say.
• 1:13:15
  I know, I know. Cuz I was gonna say before I
• 1:13:17
  moved on to Peter, cuz again Brian said that he'd be willing
• 1:13:22
  to back up be mine. So I wanted to put that out
• 1:13:26
  there as a technical for, but it sounds like you're laying down
• 1:13:30
  on that, you're throwing it down to seven Chinese brothers
• 1:13:33
  versus? Well, no, I mean, if B mine is
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  still in, that's yeah, I'd love that one over discoverer too.
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  All right, so if if you're looking at B mine, 7 Chinese
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  brothers and pretty persuasion, what one would you take?
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  Me. Personally, no.
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  Peter, OK. I would pick B mine.
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  There you go, Gavin, same question.
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  I would do that just for Yeah, I would do that.
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  Let me just leave it at that. I'd take B mine.
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  Chris, if it was between B mine, 7 Chinese brothers and pretty
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  persuasion. I'm listening back on 7 Chinese
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  Brothers, and I'm going to go with that.
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  I listen to all, I listen to all three of them and that is my
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  favorite of those 3. My girlfriend's learning on
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  guitar so I hear it all day every day.
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  Right now. All right, those 3 songs, Brian,
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  which one? I'm really between 7 Chinese
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  brothers and Be Mine like I said I would.
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  I would put my vote towards Be Mine to make it a four.
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  So yeah, I'm gonna stick with that.
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  Be mine. All right.
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  And then, John, if you had one of the one, only one of those 3.
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  I mean, just ripping on my heart here, like pretty like I came
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  into this like thinking, Oh, pretty persuasion is going to be
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  the sentimental pick. Like that's they got on stage
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  last night and played it. You guys like that's the one
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  like I thought that was going to be a a solid hit.
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  And we're talking about like not even making it to the to the
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  last round. That's insane.
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  But I mean, I love, I love both 7 Chinese brothers and be mine
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  for for very different reasons. Yeah.
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  I mean, I, I would say, you know, my, my head says 7 Chinese
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  brothers, but my heart says be mine and like I, you know,
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  you've either one. Yeah, that's.
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  Fine, all right, let's go with be mine.
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  The the votes, the ayes have it as it were.
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  All right, let me run this down real quick.
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  South Central rain electrolyte finest work song dunk back to
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  Rockville. Bittersweet me examine exhuming
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  McCarthy. I can read Disturbance at the
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  Heron House, the one I love. Harbour Coat in B Mine rounds
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  out the 10 John, we're about to. I mean, it looks like we're
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  going to do part three one way or the other.
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  Whether we do it tonight or another night.
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  What do we have to look forward to in Part 3?
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  Oh, part three, let me pull that up because I am once again
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  unprepared. Part 3 I believe we are going to
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  we are going to out of time. We're going to now I'm trying
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  the front of blank. Hold on.
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  Let me have it here. OK, out of Time Life's rich
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  pageant reveal and the B Sides collection dead letter office.
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  There it is. Brutal.
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  Let's let's see how everybody feels about that one here in a
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  moment, all right? We're, you know, I don't know.
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  Did I ever come up with a way to end these things?
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  I don't think so. It's championship edition, baby.
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  We'll see you guys next week.