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Drive Thru News #3 - September ‘20 · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Hello and welcome to another installment of the drive through September 2020.
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I'm your host, Brad.
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With me as always is Mr.
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Eric.
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Hello.
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And Tanya, uh, obviously, uh, the drive through is our monthly recap where
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we've put together a menu of local racing and random car, Jason news.
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Now let's pull up to window number one for some industry news.
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I'm going to go ahead and kick us off with the revealing of the new Nissan Z car.
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That.
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called the Proto.
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Uh, it's supposed to be the new 400Z.
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Uh, it was announced on September 15th and it looks stunning.
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I think it's gorgeous.
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I think it's really cool looking.
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It's going to be small, but yeah, I mean, I think the only complaint I've
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heard by reading some of the comments and the initial feedback on the car is
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what's up with the big rectangle grill.
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But if you're not familiar with the old 240Zs from the 70s,
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then it might seem out of place.
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But in reality, I think it's.
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It's the closest modern Z to the original styling.
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I actually, and I agree with you, I think it looks really, really good.
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Now for our listeners out there, we talked to our resident Z man,
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Portia Al, and he is all about this.
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I don't want to spread rumors, but I have a feeling the Jag might get replaced.
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I have to say though, my favorite part is the taillights for some reason.
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I love the way the taillights look.
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They're just so retro to me.
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I think the design is just, it's killer.
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It's exactly, it is a complete throwback.
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It's really good looking car.
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I am undecided on the front.
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Kind of looks like a fish with its mouth gaping open.
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Now I like the BMWs.
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Oh, Oh, please.
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Um, my eyes hurt thinking about that one.
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No, I mean, I don't dislike it.
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I really liked the back.
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Like you said, I agree with you completely on that.
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It'll be interesting to see if they do some subtle changes
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between now and what actually gets.
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Rolled off the assembly line, but I've always been a general fan of these cars.
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So I'm excited to see a new one.
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I think it's going to look a lot better in a color that isn't canary yellow.
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And I know that's a throwback color as well, but a Z in silver.
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Black a nice deep red, you know, something like that blue and red stripes white.
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Yeah.
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White with the dots and livery would be fantastic.
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I mean, I think a brown Z cause I've seen a lot of brown two eighties.
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It's a very period appropriate color.
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Yeah.
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Personally, I really like the yellow though.
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I would never own one a brown or gray or like you were saying, like a deep red.
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Like a maroon or like a blood red would look stunning on this car.
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So let's talk about the specs a little bit.
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I mean, there's not too much known.
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It's going to have a 3.
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5 liter twin turbo V6.
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Uh, it's sourced from infinity.
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There are also plans to source the suspension and the brakes
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from the infinity as well.
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Going to come with 400 horsepower, 350 torque, and it's going to
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come at launch with a six speed manual only, which is funny because
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it's competitor is the Supra.
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That is automatic only, or the, you know, the DSG, the floppy paddles.
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If it's between this and the Super now, I'm Z Man all day.
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This thing does check all the boxes, right?
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I mean, it's a two door, it's a manual, it looks good, big power numbers.
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It's actually decently priced.
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I don't see any downside yet.
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When can I drive one?
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Kudos to Nissan and Renault for putting out something that people
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might actually get excited about.
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So we're going to move on to the Bronco.
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There's a little bit of news.
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It's a little disappointing news.
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Obviously everybody knows the battle between the off roaders is heating up.
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There was news earlier in the month or maybe last month that
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Jeep was considering putting a 6.
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2 liter V8 in the Wrangler.
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Well, Ford has responded.
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Saying, no, no, no, that's not for us.
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Chief engineer, Eric Loeffler, basically came out and said that the Bronco is not
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going to get the five liter coyote motor.
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And part of that is because of emissions.
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So they've got a very lofty goal with government regulations and things
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like that, that they have to hit the appropriate emissions numbers.
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Uh, and.
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Putting a V8 in something like this, I guess makes that more difficult
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with their other, the rest of the cars in their lineup, and also they
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believe that the motor that it's originally launching with the 2.
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7 liter EcoBoost has got more than enough power to meet all the target wants of the
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customers that are purchasing the Bronco.
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It's got enough power.
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It's got enough torque.
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It's got enough.
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Fuel economy to make it a worthy competitor to anything else that the
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other off roaders are putting out.
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Now I say the other off roaders, namely that's the Wrangler because
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Chevy and the trailblazer, that's just going to be, you know, nothing.
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That's not going to happen.
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And then the new Range Rover Defender, I just don't know enough about, but
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it's probably going to be priced way out of the market of the, these two.
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So I'm comparing it to the Wrangler.
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So I'm going to put it to you this way, chocolate ice cream has just
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enough flavor and just enough color and just enough taste and just enough
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cold for us to call it ice cream.
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And that's the Bronco versus Chrysler saying, you know what,
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how many toppings you want?
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What do you want in your ice cream?
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I'll give you rocky road.
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And then I'm gonna put moose tracks in it, right?
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They go bonkers over there.
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So all these excuses About emissions and this and that why does Chrysler not care?
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They're like, you know, what 6.
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2 liters?
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And then we're gonna put a blower on it And then we're going to put
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nitrous and then we're going to put a pro charger and then we're going to
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give you skinny tires for a dollar.
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I mean, it's like night and day difference between these two camps.
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As we've said before, Chevy's kind of sitting on the side
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of the lines going, all right, what are y'all going to do next?
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I haven't researched enough to fully understand the, I guess, the emissions
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regulations to understand how Chrysler and Fiat are able to do that, but it may
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have something to do with if it's not going into a brand new vehicle, or if
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it's not a brand new vehicle, it gets grandfathered in and that's why Dodge
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is using a 400 year old design with the Challenger and the Charger and they keep
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just throwing more power and stuff at it.
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I don't know.
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I could be wrong, but you're right.
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I mean, how does, how does Fiat get away with pumping 700, 800 horsepower
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out of these cars and just slapping a supercharger on it and calling it a
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day and not worrying about, you know, whatever, you know, I don't know.
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It's I got to tip my hat to the Chrysler guys.
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I've said it before.
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I mean, those guys are Off the hook.
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Now I feel for the Bronco folks.
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I mean, I'm excited.
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All of the pre deposits are sold out.
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You know, there's a long waiting list for the Bronco.
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It's a cool design.
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I personally like the concept better, but I think there's going to be a lot
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of consumers out there that are just disappointed that they won't be able
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to get a Bronco with a V8 like you could get back in the 90s or whatever.
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Enjoy it guys.
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That's all I'm going to say because it's sad that it's not coming.
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And I understand the argument that the three and a half liter turbo
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eco boost, you know, whatever makes the same kind of power and this and
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that, but it's not the same when you turn the key and you don't hear that.
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I mean, I'm sorry.
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Now I will say this is coming with the 2.
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7, but because you brought up the 3.
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5, there are hopes and there has been no denial.
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So it's admission by lack of denial that there could be a Raptor version of the
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Bronco coming, which then would be the 3.
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5 liter twin turbo EcoBoost with 450 horsepower.
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Maybe that would be a competitor to the 6.
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2 liter Wrangler.
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I mean, it sure enough would have the power, I guess you're right.
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It would not have the, the auditory pleasures of that motor.
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So, and unfortunately I'm not in the market for a Bronco.
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I would love to be in the market for a Bronco, but.
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I need a tow vehicle and the Bronco is not that same reason.
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I don't have a Wrangler anymore.
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This car, this vehicle is nice as it is.
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It's not something I would consider buying at this point.
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Good for Ford for trying to be environmentally responsible if
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they're trying to actually adhere to changing emissions regulations and
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any fines that could probably come down along the way if you know they
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don't adhere to changing regulations.
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I don't know enough about What's going on in that industry and
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if there's grandfathering in or who's cheating the corner or not
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actually is pretty fascinating.
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I'd be interested to learn more, but I mean, why, why do you need
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a V8 in a Bronco to do what?
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So Italian, there's a sign over the door.
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When you walk in Chrysler and it says emissions, we don't
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need your stinking emissions.
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And they go about their business, right?
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It's just pure arrogance.
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And I'm okay with it because at the end of the day, they're pushing
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the envelope on what can be done.
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I respect what both camps are doing, but what gets my attention
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is what's going over at FCA.
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One could argue it's all pointless because as things move towards
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more fuel efficient, more emissions friendly vehicles, guess what?
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Chrysler doesn't need to be investing time, research, money in.
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Big huge gas guzzling V8s if they're all going to disappear.
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That's very true.
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While all the rest of this news was coming out about the Z and the Bronco and all
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this, you know, people's emotions are all over the place and all of a sudden,
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Volkswagen drops a bomb on everybody.
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And goes, Hey, we're going to sell Bugatti to Rimac.
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And I'm like, excuse me, what?
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So I did a little digging on this.
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It's a bit misleading because Bugatti, even if it got sold to
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Rimac, it's a bit of a reverse merger.
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If you read how this is being structured, what we now realize
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is that Porsche already has almost a 16 percent share in Rimac.
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And Porsche is part of the Volkswagen and Audi group.
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So what's going on is VW, that side of the house doesn't want to
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continue pouring money into Bugatti and they're making some crazy stuff.
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I mean, you want to talk about bonkers.
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There are some new Bugattis that have been released design wise that
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are, you know, next level crazy.
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And that's fine.
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However, when Ferdinand Piëch, and that's how you pronounce a lot of
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people say Peach and Pike and a lot of it's Piëch, was still alive.
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He was very much invested in keeping Porsche tie to Bugatti and all this.
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Now, unfortunately he passed away in 2019.
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So the family and the estate is left to kind of make decisions on
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what's going on, especially with the venture capital and the stock that
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he had in Rimac and things like that.
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So what they've done is the Pieck family has come back and said that because
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they have a 50 percent controlling stock in Volkswagen, they still have a say
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in how all this is going to go down.
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So there's a lot of infighting going on right now, and they need to be
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convinced to sell Bugatti, but it needs to be beneficial to Porsche.
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So it's really kind of awkward.
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It's all this internal like politics and mafia stuff going on.
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And at the end of the day, what reporters are saying is the goal
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is that Stuttgart, you know, let's, let's wrap all of that together.
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Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, et cetera.
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They want 49%.
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Stock in RIMAC.
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So they don't want controlling stock in RIMAC, but they want to be as close
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as they can get without going over.
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Again, this really isn't a sell off so much as a way of VW and Porsche
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absorbing RIMAC's electrical technology.
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And boosting what they're already trying to do.
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So again, it was very misleading when this came out, people got all
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excited and hot and bothered about it.
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But I think it's just more of the same and we're just going to end up
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seeing the VAG portfolio expanding.
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Another announcement that got the world kind of all topsy turvy again, was Jeep.
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Again, Fiat Chrysler released pictures of the final version of the Grand Wagoneer.
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Now this isn't the first time that the Grand Wagoneer has been
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teased, but if I had to summarize, there's one word I would use.
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Huge.
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24 inch wheels look normal on the Grand Wagoneer.
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It's a big vehicle.
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You look at the pictures of the inside, you know, multiple digital
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Outputs and screens for the passenger and the center console or whatever.
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It's very plush.
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It's very cool I like the way it looks it harks back to the grand wagoneer.
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A lot of people say it's ugly I think it's it's cool but I think it caters to
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the wrong audience because the people that bought grand wagoneers were the
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people that were they were going fishing and hiking and camping with their
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family and It's a people mover, right?
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It was a third row people mover back then.
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That's what it is today You You know, you read the articles about it and
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they say, Oh, well, this is the first dedicated three row SUV from Jeep
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since the demise of the commander, you know, nearly 10 years ago.
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And I'm like, yeah, flag on the play.
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I'm sorry.
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That's not true.
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The Durango was originally supposed to be the grand Wagoneer, a bunch
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of political infighting there too.
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And they decided to keep it with Dodge.
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It's built on the Jeep chassis, which as you pointed out earlier
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is a 400 year old Mercedes chassis.
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Right.
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So this is not the first jeep based third row seat SUV.
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I think it looks better than the Durango, although I have nothing against the
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Durango, but here's my big problem with the Grand Wagoneer outside of the
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flash and the panache and its bigness.
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It comes with an extremely large price tag in top trim.
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We're talking a hundred thousand dollars.
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That would be the most expensive Jeep product on the docket today.
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And I don't know the Jeep customers want that.
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The comments I've read it's ugly.
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You know, all the aesthetics comments.
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Most of the people are saying, find a way to cut the price in half.
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The grand Wagoneer is supposed to be affordable.
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It's supposed to be a grocery getter, people mover, et cetera.
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But again, it's cool.
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They're pushing the envelope.
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Is it going to have wood panel trim?
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On the outside, I have not seen that.
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Well, there you have it, folks.
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No one's going to buy this thing.
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That's a 2, 000 option, I'm sure, right?
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I'm waiting for the 150, 000 Trailhawk edition, or Trackhawk edition.
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Yeah, yeah, Demon, red eye.
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I have to say, if I'm looking for a large, full size SUV, if I'm spending 100, 000,
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I'm buying a Range Rover every single day.
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I mean, if I'm spending 100, 000, I'm going to go buy a
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Yukon and have money left over.
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No, but I mean, if I was dead set on spending 100, 000 on getting a Range
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Rover, they've been doing it longer.
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They perfected it, even though the electronics are trash.
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If I just want a large SUV, I'm going to seriously consider the new
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Lincoln Navigator over this thing.
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Cause I think it's supposed to be cheaper, like around 60 and it's
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a much better looking vehicle.
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I think this is like someone took the Navigator design and kind of gave it to
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a two year old and said, here, have fun.
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You can get a Tahoe for 49.
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The GM products are much, much cheaper.
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They're much better priced.
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Speaking of sports cars, Maserati has showcased the new MC20.
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It's an elegant mid engine supercar.
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Some people, like the article that we're reading by Mike Duff, says that
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it's a new renaissance for Maserati.
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Basically a $200,000 or less than $200,000 supercar.
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It's supposed to be their new flagship for a whole gaggle of vehicles that they are
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going to release over the coming years.
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It's going to be a coop or a convertible.
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A little bit about this car.
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First of all, I think it looks amazing.
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I would buy this car over the McLaren's or anything.
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I think it's gorgeous.
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There's going to be two versions.
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There's going to be a V six and there's also going to be an electric
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and the electric will come later.
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It'll have 235 miles of range, give or take a, let's talk
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about the V six a little bit.
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It's going to, it's a 90 degree three liter V six twin turbo, 621 horsepower,
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and it's going to be made it to an eight speed dual clutch, and it'll
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be zero to 60 and three seconds with a top speed of 202 miles per hour.
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I don't know.
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I I'm, I'm really interested.
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Not that I'm in the market for one of these cars.
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I've never been a very large Maseratis.
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They just exist and that's fine.
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I will say this one isn't bad looking.
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I will say I like the 2021 Gran Turismo that's coming out.
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I think that looks a lot nicer, but that's all I got.
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I don't follow Maserati.
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They've never interested me.
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When I read MC20, I immediately thought Successor to the MC 12.
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We're getting another Maserati race car.
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This is going to be awesome.
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Like I'm totally ready to see this thing in IMSA.
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And then when I opened the article from car driver, I see basically a Ferrari
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488 with a different nose and tail on it.
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And all of a sudden I was disappointed because if you really step back
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and look at it and you ignore.
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The very, you know, marketing heavy drawing the car out with his black Sharpie
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and showing you how it was designed.
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Yeah, that's great.
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But you look at it and you realize, especially in the
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profile, it's a Ferrari 488.
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Okay.
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Different motor package, clip on the Gran Turismo tail lights and
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tail, put a Maserati nose on it and sell another car, sell a Ferrari
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at a slightly cheaper price.
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And it ain't that much cheaper at the end of the day, 200 grand.
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And this isn't the first time that they've done this either.
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Cause the, the, the 3, 200 GT or whatever was a three 60.
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So again, this is normal, but you know, people forget, and we're
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going to talk about this in a minute about who's linked to who.
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Maserati, part of Fiat.
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Ferrari, part of Fiat.
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They're all part of one big family, so it's not uncommon that this stuff happens.
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Just like everybody goes nuts, I hate to say, about their Cayennes.
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I hope you like your Touareg, right?
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It's the same vehicle.
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So this is no shocker to me.
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It's very European for them to do this.
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Is it a cool variant of the 488?
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Yes.
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Would I have one?
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Meh.
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That begs the question though, does Maserati even need to be in existence?
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Is there a need for Maserati?
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Our King for a day instead of the Stelvio and all that stuff.
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I would have Maserati move into the luxury SUV market so that way
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Ferrari doesn't have to build one.
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They can focus on high end exotics and race cars.
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Alfa Romeo comparable to maybe Pontiac if you kind of look at it from the GM
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tree where you started with the Chevy and then you got a Pontiac because it was a
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sporty one and then you got yourself a Buick and then you got a Cadillac, right?
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Fiat needs to kind of structure themselves the same way and say, all right, the
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Fiat's the bargain basement eco cars.
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Alphas, the sports cars, like for the everyday consumer, your M cars
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and all that kind of stuff, then you move up into your Maseratis and
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your Ferraris and stuff like that.
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So, I honestly would see Maserati getting out of the
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game and just building the SUVs.
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Transitioning from the Maserati, there was another new Supercar hypercar.
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That was kind of previewed this past weekend at the Lamar Race, and
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that's the Toyota gr Super Sport.
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This is apparently a, a new hypercar that they're, I guess, previewing, trying
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to generate interest and everything for it's come out before people have seen
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it before driving around and everything.
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This is the first time they've seen it with the top off.
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So clearly it's gonna be a targa or vert.
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And not much is known about it.
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It's apparently from the pictures, it looks like it's
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going to be a very small chassis.
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Looking at it from the side and the way the, uh, the cabin looks is very
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reminiscent to me of the Ferrari F50, basically a road going race car,
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because this is going to share the same motor as the Le Mans winning TS050.
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That's a 2.
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4 liter twin turbo V6 with a hybrid, and it's a thousand horsepower motor.
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They're planning to finish production and show it off next year.
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It's a hyper car.
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So it's going to be priced up there with the McLaren P one, the law Ferraris
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and the Porsche nine 18s and stuff like that, personally, if that's what it's
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competing with much like the Lexus LFA, it's going to fall flat on its face
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because people aren't going to spend 750, 000 to a million dollars for a Toyota.
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Seeing it without the top on for the first time is because apparently
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the two gentlemen they had doing laps in it are like 10 foot tall
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or the car is the size of a Miata.
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Yeah, they, the only way they pass the broomstick test is because
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of the hood scoop on the back.
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I think you had Tanya's interest initially when you said GR for Gazoo
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Racing because anything with the GR badge, she gets all excited as we know.
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But I'm sorry, I'm not talking about the RS.
21:35
No, no, I'd almost take a Yaris over this because, you know, we talked
21:39
earlier today, as a matter of fact, about the C8 and how that fits.
21:44
And it could be cramped for a lot of individuals.
21:46
You know, some of these new modern hypercars are really small.
21:49
This literally looks like a radical that they had to take the roof off of.
21:54
It is very, very tiny.
21:56
Good for Toyota.
21:57
I mean, if they want to compete in a class where they might actually have
22:00
competition for a change, and we'll talk about this more later, this is
22:03
good entry for next year at Lamont.
22:06
And so I applaud them for making another car, but as a road going vehicle,
22:10
I, yeah, I wouldn't, no, I'm sorry.
22:14
I mean, my only hopes for this is that it, it inspires other auto
22:18
manufacturers to make more sports cars.
22:21
I'm happy that Toyota brought the super back, even though it
22:24
was with a lot of help from BMW.
22:26
Uh, I'm glad that Nissan is reinventing the Nissan Z.
22:30
I'm glad Chevy and Corvette reinvented the C8.
22:33
So I hope this inspires another Lexus supercar like
22:36
the LFA or something like that.
22:38
I don't know, but I love coupes.
22:40
I love grand touring coupes too, which this is not.
22:42
But, uh, so I'm, I'm, I'm excited to see what comes from the competition.
22:47
So let's talk about that.
22:48
We've kind of alluded to the fact that there's a lot of companies
22:51
that are conglomerates, right?
22:54
And there's a lot of companies that we don't realize are families
22:58
or are part of another group.
23:01
And there was an interesting article that came across our desk recently.
23:03
I thought it was cool to add the visual aid and I won't go through all of it.
23:06
It's on the show notes and it basically shows.
23:09
Which companies are partnered together in the United States?
23:14
You know, especially with the whole Stellantis merger going on with
23:18
the merger between FCA and Peugeot and Citroen and all that, you're
23:21
starting to see those labels end up on this chart because there are talks
23:25
about bringing those cars over here.
23:27
I kind of laughed when I saw the Lancia and Opel brands on there because
23:31
we know they're never coming back.
23:32
But it was cool to see that now they're all part of Stellantis, right?
23:35
So that's the biggest family.
23:37
In that whole chart there.
23:39
And then obviously you have the GMs, but the big thing coming out of all this
23:43
is a recent announcement of an alliance between GM and Honda, the proposed
23:50
alliance includes a shared range of vehicles, and they haven't disclosed
23:55
what that is yet, but I have a feeling it has to do with the hybrid market
23:59
and things like that, because Chevy.
24:01
If you follow them, they're the last ones here in the hybrid space, they
24:06
try, you know, we had that like really miserable, uh, hybrid suburban that
24:11
they tried to put out like 10 years ago.
24:12
And it didn't, Oh my God, that, that was great.
24:15
Turd.
24:15
That was terrible.
24:16
And granted they have the Bolt and the Volt, which are EVs, but they don't
24:20
have like a whole hybrid offering.
24:21
And you know, they're really struggling on the compact and subcompact market
24:25
where Honda continues to thrive, just like Toyota and Volkswagen, etc.
24:30
So the proposed alliance brings a new range of vehicles.
24:32
You're going to be sold distinctly, you know, uh, this happened with,
24:36
as an example between Toyota and GM a while back with the, with
24:39
the Matrix and the Vibe, right?
24:41
They were the same car, different badge, different grill.
24:44
So not uncommon for this to happen, but really, It's a cooperation in purchasing.
24:50
So it's a game of strength and numbers.
24:53
So by Honda and GM combining forces, when they go to go buy parts, and if
24:57
they're using similar parts, it means they can get them at a cheaper rate.
25:01
So it's all about bean counting.
25:02
It's all about the bottom dollar.
25:04
It's all about, you know, stuff like that.
25:05
them saving money and maximizing profit.
25:07
I totally get it.
25:08
If they're looking to share research and development and connect services, like,
25:13
you know, they've been alluding to in the article, that's great news for GM.
25:16
I think they need a shot in the arm because if you look at what we talked
25:20
about, what Ford's doing, you look at what Chrysler's doing, they're out
25:23
there, they're sticking their necks out.
25:24
They're trying to do something new and different.
25:25
And GM's just kind of been plotting along, selling us the same thing for a while.
25:30
And actually, They've been scuttling a lot of cars.
25:33
So I think this is good news.
25:36
I just hope that Honda does not adopt GM's quality control.
25:40
If they've seen the history of what happens with GM and that
25:43
there'll be some red flags there.
25:45
Hey, and maybe the Malibu will get an Accord badge and the Suburban will
25:49
have a pilot badge on the back of it.
25:51
Maybe the Malibu and the Accord will disappear.
25:56
So let's switch gears.
25:57
A lot of our listeners might not realize that we record on Thursdays.
26:01
And so in honor of throwback Thursday, we're going to talk about some retro
26:05
cars that have made news this month.
26:08
So one of the articles that Brad shared with me was the best handling car of 1984.
26:14
It was cool to take a trip down memory lane and read this article and
26:17
look at the best handling American.
26:21
And I want to stress that American cars of 1984.
26:24
So this was devoid of Cars do it basically obliterate anything that was on this list.
26:28
Like, you know, actually handle.
26:31
Yeah.
26:31
Like a VW rabbit would have killed everything on this list.
26:34
Uh, GTI version, mind you.
26:36
I read the article as you guys did too.
26:39
You know, it, it, it sings the praises of all these different cars.
26:43
You had the Fiero, you had the Camaro, you had the Corvette, you had the,
26:46
from all the major manufacturers.
26:48
And if we look at them with today's goggles on, they're
26:51
all flaming dumpster fires.
26:54
Every one of them is terrible.
26:55
However, if you put your rose colored beer goggles on and you read this for what it
27:01
is, the test was done at Willow Springs.
27:03
It was very thorough, you know, lots of good things.
27:05
I found it really interesting that every car.
27:08
In the test was a manual because you don't see that anymore.
27:11
And a lot of road tests, it was nice to see a bake off between cars.
27:15
Again, you don't see these kinds of articles anymore on, on a
27:18
big scale like this, I thought the Camaro was an automatic.
27:22
Well, I was getting to that.
27:23
Yes.
27:23
The only car on the list was with an automatic was a Camaro
27:27
and that was pretty surprising.
27:28
And you might also be surprised to find that the Camaro one out of all the cars.
27:34
It beat out the Corvette and a lot of it had to do with basically
27:38
the points that were scored in the categories that were scored in.
27:41
And so that had to do with, you know, ease of use, handling, road feel, noise,
27:47
you know, all these kinds of things.
27:48
And so the Camaro being this big compromise car beat out the
27:53
Daytona Turbo Z and the Corvette.
27:56
Which were much better cars, performance wise, because of all the
28:00
other categories that it scored in.
28:02
I mean, it beat out the Fox Body Mustang, you know, a bunch of other stuff.
28:05
So, kind of interesting.
28:07
And what it didn't get scored on, which it would have lost, is interior styling.
28:12
Oh God.
28:13
What, why is the word Camaro on every, like it's, there's literally 11
28:19
Camaros written on the driver's seat.
28:21
And then on the passenger seat, and then there's three on the door.
28:24
And I think there's more in the backseat, but you can't see.
28:27
I mean, did we not know what car we were in?
28:30
I mean, if we're talking the eighties, cause if you look at the stuff that
28:33
Germany was pumping out with their blue jean interiors and checkerboard
28:37
and pumpkin, it was all, terrible.
28:40
Give me the plaid.
28:41
Why are you writing Camaro 18 times on the seat I'm sitting on?
28:45
I think that was the owner that did that.
28:47
And that's Sharpie.
28:48
Oh, It's on the doorsill, on the seats, on the hood, on the back.
28:55
It's big list.
28:56
But this is not a, this is not a, a strange concept because BMW does
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this today with all their M badges.
29:03
Even cars that are not M'S get INM badges directly from the factory question.
29:08
'cause the five cars.
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Chevy Camaro Z28, Corvette, Dodge Daytona Turbo Z, the Ford Mustang
29:16
SVO, and the Pontiac Fiero 2M4.
29:20
If you could have one of these cars for the weekend, which one would you choose?
29:26
Oh, dang.
29:29
And you're going to do laps somewhere with it.
29:31
I Targa Top off the Corvette.
29:34
And we rollin deep, son.
29:36
Mmm, Fiero.
29:37
I gotta go Fiero.
29:38
What about you, Tanya?
29:40
Uh, you know, the list, this list is, whew.
29:43
But, I'm gonna go with the Dodge Daytona.
29:48
Because I You like turbos.
29:50
I used to have a little Matchbox car.
29:53
Which I believe is in Eric's collection.
29:56
So just on that fact alone, I'm going with the Dodge Daytona.
30:00
But if I'm doing laps, I want the Corvette with that super
30:04
stellar skid pad figure of 0.
30:06
86 Gs.
30:08
Talking about the past, another article that came across our desk was 18
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classic dream cars that we all love that are actually nightmares to own.
30:18
Now, this is automotive clickbait at its best.
30:23
So as you dive into this, there's all sorts of cars that probably have been
30:27
on your wall as a kid or whatnot, and there's some on there that I have to
30:33
say, I would never want to own, but there are a few that do stand out.
30:36
I think there is one in particular on this list that a member of
30:40
ours might be offended by this.
30:44
But from what I understand by listening to stories, I'm thinking that FBRX7
30:50
is probably a nightmare to own.
30:51
Yeah, to your point, Tanya.
30:52
I mean, the RX 7, I think there would be a few folks upset about that, but there's
30:56
a bunch of other cars on this list.
30:58
Well, the Spitfire probably was atrocious.
31:00
Those things never ran correctly, right?
31:03
Not from the day they came off the assembly line, but, you know,
31:05
that's a typical British thing.
31:07
So, I mean, there are a bunch of British cars.
31:09
on this list, and unfortunately and regrettably for a lot of people,
31:12
the E Type did land on this list.
31:15
Now, I have to agree with John Wade, he said this on another episode, the
31:19
E Type is more of a national treasure than it is an automobile anymore.
31:23
It's a historical piece, it's a beautiful car, it's a piece of
31:26
art, maintaining one of those.
31:29
I agree with that, you know, there's a few others on the list, the Lamborghini
31:33
Miura, uh, the Ferrari 308, you know, some other stuff on there.
31:37
I take my issue with this article.
31:40
I mean, there's plenty of cars on this article that I
31:41
actually would be interested in.
31:43
However, The clickbait part I think comes in.
31:46
It's like, okay, the Pantera is on this list.
31:48
Yes, please.
31:49
I would like to drive one of those around.
31:51
And all it says is, like the Jensen, the Pantera used an American engine.
31:56
The thing is, 70s Italian engineering wasn't much better than British
31:59
engineering, meaning build quality wasn't the best on early cars.
32:02
Still, it's a stunner.
32:04
Okay, so, that doesn't actually tell me why it's a nightmare.
32:08
You're just stereotyping that British cars and Italian cars back then sucked.
32:11
I mean, we could argue in the year 2020 that all cars from the 70s
32:16
sucked and are a nightmare to own compared to today's standards.
32:20
I mean, give me a little bit more.
32:21
Tell me about how you drive it down the road and, I don't know, it catches on fire
32:25
or shuts off every 30 miles or something.
32:29
I have to say, though, how is the Porsche 924 Turbo a dream car?
32:35
Ha ha, you noticed that, huh?
32:37
It's the first one on the list.
32:38
Now, I will say that I love the 924.
32:41
I like the clean lines as compared to the 944.
32:44
But how is the 924 Turbo considered a dream car on
32:48
this list of instant classics?
32:50
You could easily replace the 924 Turbo with the 934.
32:54
44 turbo, which is a car that is sought after and is a nightmare to maintain.
32:59
All right, so looking at this list, which car on this list would
33:03
you love to go bankrupt owning?
33:06
308, please.
33:08
It's a simple one for me, Alfa GTV6.
33:12
They're all Italian.
33:14
Hmm.
33:14
Fancy that.
33:15
Go figure.
33:16
So what's next?
33:17
Up next, the iconic Volvo P1800 is reborn as a continuation special with 401.
33:27
14 horsepower.
33:29
Isn't this a Chinese car now?
33:30
Uh, technically yes.
33:32
According to our chart.
33:33
Yes.
33:33
It would be owned by Gigli.
33:35
This is a weird looking car.
33:37
You could say that.
33:40
So it's reminiscent of the era, right?
33:42
So the P 1800 is most famous for being driven by Simon Templar, who
33:49
is the fictional character, the main star of the television show, the
33:52
saint, which was redone as a movie.
33:55
in 1997 starring val kilmer who then debuted the c70 volvo which was supposed
34:02
to be the successor as the two door coupe volvo so the p1800 has a sweet
34:07
spot for a lot of people in the retro world it is a good looking car at first
34:12
glance you're right it doesn't look like A Volvo, it looks like something
34:16
else from the air, something Italian, you know, something German, like a
34:19
Karmann Ghia, et cetera, gorgeous car.
34:21
I mean, if you consider it for what it is, it was actually a really good
34:24
performer back then, lots of, you know, racing history, et cetera.
34:28
And I like the fact that the P1800 is, we're going to put quotes around
34:32
this coming back because it's right in line with the Eagle Jags, right?
34:37
The replica E types it's right in line with the singer, uh, Porsche 911s, right?
34:41
All these classic cars that are getting completely updated but
34:45
keeping their original lines.
34:46
I've been saying forever, I don't understand why we can't bring back
34:50
old designs, modernize them, make them safer, and have awesome cars.
34:55
So, you know, the difference between the old P1800, which made, you know, barely
34:59
triple digits in terms of horsepower, We've got the same body lines might not
35:04
be the exact same dimension slightly larger because modern times because of
35:08
safety equipment, etc But to put 400 horsepower in a car like that rear wheel
35:12
drive again a two door coupe very stylish.
35:15
Good job I think it's probably too much of a handful to drive though I
35:19
would think maybe 250 horsepower would be the sweet spot so I can imagine
35:23
it's not a very heavy car though According to this it's 990 Kilos.
35:29
So that's 21 almost 2200 pounds.
35:32
Okay.
35:32
So 2200 pounds.
35:35
It's a rocket ship.
35:36
It's, it's a handful and you're not going to be able to get any
35:39
traction, but we have launch control and we have really smart computers
35:44
and we have all this technology and automatic flappy paddle transmissions.
35:48
That thing's a missile.
35:50
The problem is, what, this is like a, I mean, this is a resto mod, right?
35:54
I mean, it's, it's very much probably dimensionally the
35:57
same as the original one.
35:58
I mean, it, it looks lines wise, very much so.
36:01
And I mean, these are going to be one offs.
36:04
I love the idea of bring back the retro modernized cars of yesteryear
36:10
and make them safe, but you know what that requires in today's day
36:13
and age, it requires 15 airbags.
36:15
And 15 airbags take up a lot of room in, in a pillars and whatnot.
36:20
And it's like, I don't think this car.
36:22
It's street legal in the sense of, I'm sure for historic whatever, you can get
36:26
away with it, but if you're mass producing this again like this, it would end up
36:29
being some bloated, wallowing, huge thing, because you gotta fit the airbag
36:34
in the seat, and in the roof, and under your butt, and on the floor pedals, and
36:37
here, and there, and, and then this, that, and the other, and the bumpers
36:40
need to be this, and that, and, ugh.
36:42
I hate to continue to go back to Chrysler.
36:46
If you want to see it done right, there's one word.
36:49
Challenger.
36:50
Yes, it is dimensionally larger than the original, but it maintains the spirit,
36:55
the lines and the look of the original.
36:58
Well, the thing with, with American cars is they've always been huge.
37:02
So you make another huge American car.
37:04
It's kind of like, okay, big deal.
37:06
But you take a European car.
37:08
There was always felt and then you try to make it adhere to all the modern
37:13
regulations and this and the other.
37:15
I don't know that that Volvo would still be that size.
37:18
I mean, you have the Mazda Miata.
37:19
That's a teeny car.
37:20
So sure.
37:20
I mean, I guess it's everything, anything's possible, right?
37:23
Very true.
37:24
So let's, let's stop talking about old stuff.
37:26
Nobody cares about old cars anymore.
37:28
Now it's time to.
37:30
get into our newest section, and crack open a can of Jolt Cola,
37:36
where we cover electric car news.
37:39
And over to Tanya.
37:40
Staying in theme with some of the earlier industry news and partnerships, there was
37:44
an announcement earlier this month about GM partnering with Nikola, which they're
37:51
the folks that have been touting their hydrogen fuel cell cars and this, that,
37:55
and the other, and they're going to have the, you know, first hydrogen semi, and
37:59
they're going to come out with the Badger.
38:01
Uh, electric truck or hybrid hydrogen electric truck.
38:04
They've recently partnered.
38:06
What that means is their GM took a, an 11 percent stake in Nikola.
38:10
And from Nikola's end, that's awesome to be partnered with a
38:15
major manufacturer because you are getting, So much in return, because
38:21
obviously GM has been around the block.
38:23
So they have all the technical capability in terms of manufacturing
38:27
cars and the, and, and the supply chains and all that they can bring
38:31
that to the table very easily.
38:32
Whereas Nikola can now bring technology that GM isn't familiar with.
38:37
There's a good opportunity for an interesting development.
38:40
to come about.
38:41
So that's exciting.
38:42
They have said to that end, you know, they're partners now, so there will
38:46
be help around that electric truck, the Badger, which is apparently going
38:50
to be some 900 horsepower beast.
38:53
The Badger is more pickup truck looking.
38:57
What we tend to think of when we think of a pickup truck, it doesn't
38:59
look like it came from GoldenEye N64, unlike the Cybertruck.
39:04
So I don't find it hateful looking in terms of pickup trucks, but I'm
39:07
also not a pickup truck connoisseur.
39:09
So I think it'll be interesting to see how it develops.
39:11
Unfortunately, two days later, after that announcement, there was another
39:16
announcement that Trevor Milton, who's been the CEO of Nikola, just
39:20
stepped down, he, and I guess the company are fighting fraud allocations.
39:25
Oh, bad boy.
39:29
Womp womp womp.
39:31
Dirty money.
39:32
And so what they're saying is.
39:34
You know, he stepped down as the chairman after a short seller has accused Milton
39:39
and Nicola of misleading investors and overstating the value of a business deal.
39:44
Based on that, he's basically stepped down to, I think, fight that separately
39:49
from the company and pull away and not detract from what the company is doing.
39:53
And part of those allegations also mentioned Milton presenting
39:57
a prototype truck as being closer to market than it was.
40:01
And I'm wondering if that's probably the Badger because that's been in the
40:05
news and in talks for a while now.
40:08
And I thought I remembered some news about that, that they were close, that they
40:12
were close to, you know, getting that out.
40:15
And obviously we haven't seen it yet.
40:17
So, so I have one question.
40:19
It's very important.
40:21
Ford has the Raptor and Chrysler has the Hellcat and Chevy has the SS.
40:27
Does Nicola have the honey, the honey badger?
40:31
Yeah.
40:32
There you go.
40:34
What I want to know is when is GM going to pull out of this deal given the fraud
40:39
allegations and how are the lawyers and everybody going to try to renegotiate the
40:43
deal at a much more favorable cost to GM?
40:47
Well, I think this, this is similar to the RIMAC conversation, right?
40:51
At 11 percent they're not controlling.
40:54
And it's something they can probably walk away from.
40:56
And I'm not saying that's easy because, you know, we're, we're almost talking
40:59
about this, like it's monopoly money.
41:01
Porsche is going the other way with, with Bugatti and Rimac, where
41:03
they're trying to invest more.
41:05
They're, they're deepening their investment GM at 11%.
41:09
I mean, they can take a loss, right?
41:11
I hate to say it that way, but if it goes belly up, maybe who knows, maybe
41:15
they end up buying out the technology, at least the patents or something.
41:18
Cause sometimes company mergers aren't necessarily about what's produced.
41:22
It's about what's sitting in the patent office that they want to
41:24
get, you know, control that too.
41:26
So, and I think this is all about, as you touched on the technology,
41:31
um, because GM has been so slow to market with anything electric.
41:36
I mean, they have to do something.
41:38
This is almost like a Hail Mary pass for them.
41:40
So what's, uh, what is Ford doing?
41:42
So Ford, you know, they're not being left behind in this electric car race.
41:47
Obviously we've, you know, they've got the Mach E that's coming out and
41:50
it's going to be the next one out.
41:52
And they've been talking about their electric Ford F 150.
41:56
And that became a whole big thing.
41:57
Once the Cybertruck got announced, there was all the comparisons against the gas
42:02
F 150 and, and this, that, and the other.
42:04
And, you know, they mentioned that they were working on, on the electric Ford, and
42:08
my understanding is, you I do think they have a prototype and they've actually been
42:12
putting it through a bunch of rigorous tests and mileage abuse and all that.
42:16
They're definitely serious because they're going to set up their Rouge plant out
42:22
in Detroit to build the electric car.
42:24
Ford F 150 700 million plant that they are in the works to get up and running.
42:31
And it's going to be the 2021 F 150.
42:34
So I don't know how late in the year that is.
42:37
We're obviously getting close to that.
42:38
You know, what exactly.
42:40
The F 150 is going to bring versus the Cybertruck.
42:43
I mean, they're, they're staying to their Ford built tough, built strong, whatever
42:47
their motto is that they always say, this is, you know, this is the truck.
42:51
Even though it's electric, it's still going to be the truck.
42:53
That's for a person who needs a truck, who knows how to use a truck, who gets
42:58
down and dirty with their truck, not just.
43:00
glorified garage queen and I'd like to drive trucks around not doing anything.
43:04
They're keeping that stance.
43:06
They want to make a, build a workhorse that's electric.
43:08
Will it have normal windshield wipers?
43:11
Uh, you know, if this photo is of the actual E 150, yes, it has windshield
43:17
wipers and it has, I think, side mirrors.
43:19
So do we have any numbers yet on the F 150 in terms of.
43:23
Range, cause that's always important.
43:25
I mean, I'd be interested in an electric F 150 if I could tow
43:29
to the track with it, right?
43:30
That's always another thing too.
43:31
So we have any numbers there yet, or is that still to be determined?
43:35
No, I don't think so.
43:36
Cause this, um, this article out of Detroit, it's all very vague that, you
43:40
know, it will be the fastest F 150 ever.
43:42
It will be the most powerful.
43:44
This, that, and the other, it's not going into any specifics yet.
43:47
I mean, if they're still doing testing, they probably don't
43:50
want to declare anything yet.
43:51
That's a numbers aren't that good and they can rework things.
43:54
They're going to want to wait.
43:55
And I do find it interesting that while Ford is opening
43:58
plants, Chevy was closing plants.
44:00
Wasn't it late last year or over the summer last year that they were in fights
44:05
with even the U S and Canadian governments because they were trying to close plants.
44:09
And here Ford is.
44:10
opening a 700 million dollar plant.
44:13
Again, good for them, right?
44:14
I mean, pushing the envelope, I can't say enough good things about that.
44:18
Something's got to happen.
44:19
So speaking of mileage and range, I mean, do you guys ever just feel a
44:24
little bit overwhelmed with all this electric, like the range, the mileage
44:28
and efficiency and all that stuff?
44:29
I mean, it's something we all got to get used to.
44:33
Gasoline, diesel, it's very, it's very simple to understand.
44:37
You got this volume of liquid in it.
44:40
Get you this far down the road and I think it's a little more challenging
44:43
for some people to wrap their heads around the whole electric movement
44:46
because you can't see electricity, right?
44:49
I mean, if you're seeing electricity, shit's gone wrong.
44:52
Um, but, um, consult your nearest physician.
44:56
If you can see electricity.
44:58
You might be a meta human.
45:00
And you probably aren't seeing it for very long if you're seeing it.
45:03
But yeah, so there was actually, um, Polestar.
45:07
So that's Volvo's brand, one of Volvo's line of cars.
45:11
And um, they're, the Polestar is going to be, they're coming
45:14
out with an EV Polestar.
45:16
And they commissioned a study because they wanted to do a little
45:20
comparison against Their competitors around, you know, how far can we go?
45:24
They wanted to compare themselves against a Tesla model three performance,
45:28
the Jaguar I Pace and the Audi e tron.
45:32
The test procedure conducted back in July, actually, but you know, the
45:35
guy gather all the data and write the reports and everything, but
45:39
they did it on a three mile oval at Fowlerville Proving Ground in Michigan.
45:45
Pretty straightforward test.
45:46
The cars were going to be driven slowly from the staging and charging
45:50
area to the oval, and they were going to be at 100 percent charge.
45:54
Once they got to the oval, they were going to be gently accelerated.
45:57
Apparently at 0.
45:58
3 G to a GPS verified 70 miles an hour, at which point they'd be put
46:02
into cruise control and they would all run spaced out from each other in the
46:06
same lane at the test track, and they would keep running each car until it
46:11
could no longer maintain a speed of 70 miles an hour due to battery depletion.
46:15
So pretty simple test.
46:16
That's fair.
46:17
And there was a couple other things like they had to have their
46:19
headlights on because that was.
46:21
Test track rules.
46:22
And, um, I think they ran the air condition all, all of them.
46:25
They had them all set to the same temperature on the inside that, that
46:28
this, you know, things like that, not a real world stop and go going up hills.
46:33
It's the middle of winter test, but I mean, it's an interesting test.
46:37
Everything is, seems fairly on an even plane.
46:40
The results, I guess, not maybe shocking is the Tesla actually went the furthest.
46:47
So it was able to do 234 miles.
46:50
Which is apparently 75 percent of its stated range.
46:54
The Polestar came in second.
46:56
So it did 205 miles, which was 82 percent of its range.
47:00
And the Jaguar came in at 188 miles, which was 80 percent of its range.
47:06
And the Audi was pretty much spot on with the Jaguar at 187
47:11
miles at 92 percent of its range.
47:14
So.
47:15
The percent of its range thing, I mean, I mean, it's an indicator.
47:19
That's great.
47:20
That's more how much sandbagging is kind of going on or over optimism
47:25
with what your range numbers are.
47:27
I think it's more interesting when you look at the cars in terms of kind of
47:32
miles per kilowatt hour that they do.
47:34
A different or a better test of this would have been if you wanted to incorporate
47:39
The percent of Officially rated range, you have them all run the same distance
47:44
and then calculate the percentage.
47:46
So what's interesting is apparently the Audi Died on track It didn't have um,
47:52
because because there's a set point none of the evs actually let the batteries
47:56
fully discharge Also as soon as their the capacity started being diminished
48:00
that it was more Strain on the battery to achieve the 70 miles an hour.
48:04
It basically came in Apparently, I don't know what happened with the Audi.
48:07
We're just like done.
48:09
Audi electronics.
48:10
That's what happened to the Audi.
48:12
The other three cars, you know, pitted back in and apparently
48:16
unfortunately makes me sad.
48:18
I don't know.
48:18
Maybe something happened there, but, uh, yeah, I don't know.
48:21
It's just.
48:22
And then the EPA ratings, it's, there's a lot of different ways that
48:26
they measure it and there's different standards and testing and everyone
48:29
comes up with different numbers.
48:30
And depending on the test method, you get different numbers of approved ranges.
48:34
So, I mean, this was all done on apples, apples.
48:37
So based on the same EPA rating, so at least that's good, but I
48:41
don't know what the best way is.
48:42
I think the interesting thing is when you take the range.
48:45
So if, you know, the Tesla, they say you can do 312 miles of range and it
48:51
the 75 kilowatt hour battery pack in it, well that means you're able to go 4.
48:57
2 miles per kilowatt hour.
48:59
That's actually really good because when you look at a lot
49:01
of different EVs out there, 4.
49:04
x mile per kilowatt hours is really high.
49:07
So they're definitely at the top of the leaderboard in terms of that.
49:10
But we're going to talk about the Fiat 500E in a little bit and not
49:15
to spoil, but the new 500E, which only has a range of 199 miles.
49:20
And you go, what a, Oh my God, it's doing that off of 42 kilowatt hour
49:24
battery pack, which means it's doing 4.
49:28
7 miles per kilowatt hour.
49:30
So it's actually doing better.
49:32
Give it to the Italians.
49:34
But the problem is when you look at these things, right.
49:36
And that's what we're used to too.
49:37
It's like, I don't, do I care as much if it's 4.
49:40
2 or 3.
49:41
9?
49:41
I want to be able to go 350 miles without wondering where
49:47
the electric charge station is.
49:48
I mean, at, at the point we are right now, this early in development of
49:52
electric cars and infrastructure, I mean, that's always tending to be
49:55
the guiding conversation as well.
49:57
What's my total range.
49:58
It's like.
49:59
I don't know if that's the whole story.
50:01
And maybe as things evolve, that'll become less important because if
50:04
charging stations are a dime a dozen, like gas stations, well, then.
50:07
Wouldn't I want the 500E that gets 4.
50:09
7 miles to the kilowatt hour?
50:12
No, I want to drive 350 miles without stopping.
50:15
I mean, that's the whole annoyance is your trip becomes that much longer.
50:20
So the, the less I can go, the more times I have to stop, but granted the bigger
50:24
battery means it takes longer to charge.
50:26
So you're going to eat it up one way or the other.
50:28
It all comes out in the wash.
50:30
Well, and it depends what you're using your car for too.
50:32
If you're constantly doing long road trips.
50:35
Okay, that's one thing.
50:36
If you're commuting to work and the infrastructure becomes such that you go to
50:40
your office and there's a charging station there because a lot of office places
50:44
and even grocery stores and, you know, Target parking lot, there's now electric
50:49
charging stations as the first couple, you know, parking spaces in the lot.
50:53
Well, does it matter if I'm daily commuting with my car and I don't
50:57
need to go 350 miles when my office is 12 miles away or 30 miles away.
51:01
I plug it in when I get to work.
51:03
Okay.
51:03
Well, there's that.
51:04
And you have to realize too.
51:06
And, and I think this is the, this is the problem with the European offerings
51:11
is they still think in a European way and cater to a European market.
51:15
Because with your analogy, you're a hundred percent correct.
51:18
Oh, well, it's three miles to work and back.
51:21
I'll charge it.
51:22
Electric makes sense because everything is so close.
51:25
I mean, correct.
51:26
200 mile range, you're going places.
51:29
Right.
51:29
But in America, Where we are very car heavy and very, very big range
51:36
is super important because let me put it to you this way, my rolling
51:39
cold diesel, I can make it to Watkins Glen from my house without stopping
51:45
and I'll have fuel left over.
51:47
So I look at the range and go, I can make it there.
51:49
Towing the car with no problem or I can make it to wherever I have
51:53
an effective range of x and that gets me six hours, eight hours,
51:57
10 hours away or whatever it is.
51:59
I don't want to be interrupted.
52:00
Yeah.
52:01
I need five minutes to grab a burger and go to the bathroom, but I don't want to be
52:05
sitting there taking a week to take a trip that would normally take me six hours.
52:10
Right.
52:10
And that's the bigger problem we have.
52:12
And I think that's.
52:13
That's, that's the test that we need to see when these trucks,
52:16
the F 150 and the cyber truck and whatever GM and, and, uh, you know,
52:21
Nikola are going to come out with.
52:23
We need to see a test similar to this with them pulling a load up a grade.
52:28
How long is the battery going to last?
52:30
How many battery charging stations are they going to put between here and
52:35
national Corvette museum for example, or, or barber or road Atlanta is
52:40
easy because you go up and down 95.
52:42
But some of these other more obscure routes that we take to get to some
52:46
of these racetracks I mean, how many are going to be up route 15?
52:50
I guess that's a major trucking route.
52:52
Uh, 81 definitely is.
52:53
So going to Rhode Atlanta, you know, that would be fine, but unless
52:56
it's a major route, you're not going to find a charging station.
53:00
And then what are you going to sit in line with all the model threes
53:03
and everything, and how are you going to pull your trailer in?
53:06
Cause all of the charging stations I've seen you back into a parking spot.
53:10
You can't back into a parking spot with a 16 foot trailer behind you.
53:14
Right.
53:14
I mean, the problem is.
53:16
This is conversation that's saying that where we are today is
53:19
where the future is going to be.
53:20
No, be real.
53:21
You know what?
53:22
As more and more governments and countries ban gasoline and
53:25
diesel engines, guess what?
53:26
It's going to move it to electric and it's going to move the
53:28
infrastructure there, which means maybe not in the next five years.
53:31
In the next 10 years, the next 15 years, it's going to happen, but eventually
53:36
the system is going to be there and it's going to be like we have gasoline,
53:39
but it's growing pains right now.
53:40
So you can't expect like a light switch that suddenly we have 500 mile
53:44
range, electric vehicle, and there's a charging station every 30 feet.
53:48
And in 10 seconds, my electric vehicle recharges.
53:50
That's since we're talking about this, I want to use the E 150.
53:55
We're going to call it not to be confused with the old Econo line, uh,
53:58
E series Fords, the E 150 pickup truck.
54:01
There's no excuse for that thing, not to have a thousand mile range,
54:05
because when I eliminate that V8 from under the hood, those electric power
54:09
plants do not take up a lot of space.
54:11
If you've actually seen how big they are, they're tiny.
54:13
So that front end engine compartment, if they're keeping the body of the
54:17
F one 50, the same in the electric version, you should be able to
54:20
put batteries up there that.
54:22
Probably way the same as the V8 to keep everything proportional and to have
54:26
that counterbalance, but should give you range from from here to Alabama and back.
54:31
I mean, they're making it a frunk.
54:35
So they're going to have an oversized frunk.
54:37
That's a waste there.
54:38
That's a waste.
54:39
I don't I don't I think things will evolve.
54:41
I forget which car it was.
54:43
That's out now or that's going to be produced now, but it's one of the EVs.
54:46
And they talked about being able to swap in and out battery packs.
54:50
Well, guess what?
54:51
If I can, if I can carry an extra 42 kilowatt pack in my new 500 electric and
54:57
I swap it in in three seconds, guess what?
54:59
Oh, I just went 400 miles.
55:01
Yeah, but it better be the size of our IOBE battery pack.
55:04
I mean, where are you going to store this stuff?
55:05
I mean, that's, that's crazy talk.
55:07
I mean, again, I got a frunk that I can put it in.
55:10
Yeah.
55:11
Yeah.
55:11
So why isn't it a battery that's just there and is available to me?
55:14
I don't know the answer to that.
55:15
Cause I mean, I, I understand that.
55:18
I understand that technology cause it comes from formula E.
55:21
because they got away from having to put drivers in different cars to
55:24
having the swappable battery packs.
55:26
So it makes complete sense.
55:27
I get it.
55:28
It's, but it's no different than my cordless DeWalt, but I don't want
55:31
to be carrying around a battery.
55:33
That's the size of my car to have a spare battery.
55:36
You can't, it doesn't make sense, whatever.
55:38
I mean, again, we're evolving and every month we see something
55:41
new, we see something different.
55:43
That's why we have this segment of the show and it's exciting.
55:45
So now what they could do.
55:48
Is they could build batteries into the trailers or have a way where you can have
55:53
the battery in the trailer and the charge can come, uh, there's 2 charging cables.
55:59
So, 1, 1 cable on the trailer plugs into the lights and everything
56:02
else for the rest of the truck.
56:03
And you have another cable that plugs into a charging port on the back of the truck.
56:07
So you can charge it, you know, when you need to, I mean, that's a, that's
56:10
another thing they could do, I guess.
56:12
And then you're selling trucks and trailers where you're harping
56:15
on the trailer aspect of it, but I'm, I'm still looking at from
56:18
the consumer perspective, right.
56:19
And, and, and all the points you made are still valid, even if you had, and I look
56:23
at it, let's say, Hey, you bought an E one 50, you got to back it into that spot.
56:28
You had to do all those things.
56:29
I mean, and right now, yes, there are charging stations at your local
56:32
target or Walgreens or whatever, but there's two of them or three of them.
56:37
You're acting like there's going to be two for the next hundred
56:39
years, and that's not reality.
56:41
Okay, one day, if you're truly going to change everyone to be fully
56:44
electric, that means every parking space in the target parking lot is
56:47
going to have an electric power thing.
56:49
So don't act like, oh, this will never work because there's
56:53
two charging stations today.
56:55
We, we also live in this, this, in this idyllic mentality that we can all of a
57:00
sudden just rip up the target parking lot and put 220 volt power lines going to
57:05
every one of those parking spots that are only eight feet apart from each other.
57:10
So when you multiply that out and you start multiplying out the grid that
57:14
needs to be put into underneath the asphalt and the amount of power that now.
57:18
Target is on the hook to deliver and all that.
57:20
I mean, that's crazy.
57:22
Reality is it was an exaggeration.
57:24
The reality is you don't need a charging station, every single parking
57:27
spot in the target parking lot.
57:29
I mean, let's, let's live in a real world.
57:31
Well, I, I will say that Eric, you mentioned that I keep
57:35
bringing up the trailering.
57:36
That's the one holdback that's keeping me from considering.
57:40
Uh, if it wasn't for having to trailer and who knows, maybe I
57:43
won't be doing that in the future.
57:45
I don't know.
57:46
I would 100 percent consider any of these electric cars because
57:50
the range I think is fine.
57:52
You can find the charging places.
57:54
Yes.
57:54
Right now it's a, it's inconvenient, but that's the price
57:58
you pay to be an early adopter.
57:59
And to Tanya's point, yes, this is not going to be the norm forever.
58:03
We have to get.
58:03
Past these growing pains, I'm sure there were issues with the internal combustion
58:07
engine, then finding fuel and everything long back when in the early 1900s.
58:13
So it's the same, similar thing.
58:15
I think if it wasn't for the trailer, I would be all for these lectures.
58:20
I would have a Mach E hands down.
58:23
We're witness to a huge evolution and the Mach E for America is another evolution.
58:30
You know, Ford's Mach E that's going to come out here soon.
58:33
Uh, there is Ford of Europe and Ford of Norway.
58:36
And apparently the CEO over there decided one day he wanted
58:41
to test the range of a Mach E.
58:43
And went from Oslo to Trondheim, Norway on a, on a little jaunt of 301 miles.
58:51
And when he got to his destination, the infotainment panel said that the
58:56
car still had 14 percent charge left.
58:58
So that's pretty good range and the car is ranged at 300 miles.
59:06
So it exceeded what Ford is saying the range of the Mach E is, and
59:10
there was still capacity left on the battery to go further.
59:13
So when you do a bit of math back and forth, the range
59:18
should be about 350 miles.
59:20
That beats just about three out of the four Teslas right now.
59:24
So the thing with the test is it wasn't really a sanctioned test by any means.
59:29
So like, there's really no, you have to take it with a bit of a
59:32
grain of salt because we don't really know the conditions, what
59:35
the weather was like that day.
59:37
Is this guy a, you know, a hyper miler and he's just really good at, you
59:40
know, eking out every little thing.
59:41
He did it at midnight and there was absolutely no one else on the road.
59:44
Like what speeds was he doing?
59:46
I mean, I'm assuming Norway has hills, so I'm sure there was, it
59:50
wasn't, you know, like driving through Texas dead flat or anything.
59:54
So nonetheless, it's real world conditions.
59:57
And if he really, truly on a full charge went 301 miles, he beat what
1:00:01
Ford is saying is advertising on their website right now, saying that their
1:00:04
range is 300, which means normally, you know, stated range of this,
1:00:08
and they always do lower than that.
1:00:10
So there's something going on here that maybe they've taken a very
1:00:13
conservative approach to their ranging.
1:00:15
And.
1:00:16
If that's the case, what I find interesting is watch out Tesla.
1:00:20
They're knocking on your door.
1:00:21
And we've been saying this all along.
1:00:23
Eric definitely gets on his soapbox about this.
1:00:25
It was only a matter of time before the other major manufacturers
1:00:31
caught up and surpassed Tesla.
1:00:34
And Eric still holds the position that Tesla will be absorbed.
1:00:37
Or defunct, you know, in the near future, because as these manufacturers
1:00:43
with all this infrastructure get ramped up and catch up and surpass, Tesla's
1:00:48
not going to have anything to do.
1:00:49
And now following on with your, is Tesla still dominating?
1:00:53
Registration numbers, so sales of cars in Europe is indicating
1:00:57
Tesla is not in the top 10 at all.
1:01:00
Interesting.
1:01:01
Selling EVs right now.
1:01:03
You know, Tesla doesn't exist.
1:01:04
And you have at the top.
1:01:06
Is the Renault Zoe.
1:01:08
So it is the number one selling ev, and what I didn't realize is actually
1:01:12
the Zoe's been around for a while.
1:01:14
Next comes the Hyundai Kona, the VW E Golf, the Kia Niro, the PEO 2 0 8, the
1:01:21
Nissan Leaf, the VW up, the Audi E-Tron, the Smart for two, and the BMWI three.
1:01:28
Closes out the top 10 list.
1:01:30
So that's pretty interesting.
1:01:32
And to your point just now, Brad is like, yeah, it didn't, you know,
1:01:36
Tesla had it from the beginning, but everyone's kind of said the same thing.
1:01:40
It's like, it's not going to take the majors very long to catch up because
1:01:43
they have all that infrastructure in place to build the cars.
1:01:46
I mean, they can just retrofit retrofit platforms.
1:01:48
Now, a lot of them are starting to completely redesign platforms
1:01:52
from the ground up specifically for their electric models.
1:01:55
Yeah.
1:01:56
And it's a good opportunity for the majors to scrap some cars like Brad
1:02:00
said earlier, like these 400 year old Mercedes platforms that have been around
1:02:04
just for up since dinosaurs were new.
1:02:06
It's like it's time to scrap them.
1:02:08
And if you're in the middle of scrapping and redoing.
1:02:10
It makes sense.
1:02:11
Let's just make him an EV, but not only can they build cars that compete
1:02:16
with Tesla and surpass Tesla, their build quality is significantly better.
1:02:21
We've heard time and time again, issues and reviews about the
1:02:25
Tesla's terrible build quality.
1:02:27
Yeah.
1:02:27
We'll comment on that a little bit later, but part of this.
1:02:30
News is also that in general, EV registrations have increased pretty
1:02:36
dramatically over the last year.
1:02:38
July 2019, there was 8 percent of the vehicles being sold were electric.
1:02:44
And July of this year, it's up to 18%.
1:02:47
So there's definitely a shift happening across Europe and granted, a lot of
1:02:50
that probably has to do with major city centers saying, Nope, you can't
1:02:54
come here with your gasoline and diesel engines, um, and just general
1:02:58
bands and plans to phase out ice cars.
1:03:02
So, interesting news.
1:03:03
And I will say, If that is foretelling of what's happening in
1:03:07
the future, please run out and buy your ICE sports car now because you
1:03:12
will not be able to in 10 years.
1:03:14
That's very true.
1:03:15
You know what this also article makes me a little sad because it just,
1:03:19
it's like, Everything is in Europe.
1:03:22
Like, how many choices there are?
1:03:24
I mean, that was just ten choices.
1:03:26
There's, I think, 38 different models of various electric cars
1:03:30
currently that you can get, not including ones that are in the works,
1:03:33
you know, to be built and whatnot.
1:03:35
It's like, I feel like over here, it's, you know, Tesla or Tesla or my choices,
1:03:40
and it's, or, you know, the Prius it's interesting that I feel like we are
1:03:43
not hearing how Renault and Peugeot and, and all these other manufacturers
1:03:48
have all these electric cars out.
1:03:49
We don't hear that on this side of the.
1:03:51
Once Stellantis takes root, we are going to hear about it because
1:03:54
that's a massive merger there.
1:03:56
And I think that's going to really put a shot in the arm in the American EV market.
1:04:00
But on top of that, we recently saw some photos through a member of GTM
1:04:06
that showed us the VW ID4, you know, we talk a lot about the Mustang Mach
1:04:10
E and it has to be, you know, in our opinion, at least probably one of the
1:04:14
best looking EVs on the market right now.
1:04:16
It's cool.
1:04:17
It's got that shooting brake design.
1:04:19
It's attractive in person.
1:04:20
But when I saw the Volkswagen and I am a diehard Volkswagen
1:04:23
guy, I can't not admit that.
1:04:25
It's very similar.
1:04:27
And then I, for a second there, I went, well, I'd almost rather have
1:04:30
the Volkswagen, you know, I don't even know the numbers right now, the ID4.
1:04:34
I mean, I don't dislike the way the ID4 looks.
1:04:37
It's, it's, uh, maybe a little more bubbly than we're used to.
1:04:41
to seeing, and that's, that's a strong word to say, but it was a little more
1:04:45
rounded than when we're used to seeing the new GTI is engulfed in a very
1:04:51
angular in their headlights and all that.
1:04:53
And, you know, this one's not like that.
1:04:55
And I kind of like it, but in terms of numbers, I mean,
1:04:58
I forget how much it costs.
1:05:00
I think it was a little bit on maybe on what we would
1:05:02
consider on the expensive side.
1:05:03
And I would say in terms of its range capability, it's
1:05:07
probably a middle pack EV.
1:05:09
It's not up there with, you know, the miles per kilowatt hour of the Tesla,
1:05:13
but it's not at the bottom, like the Jaguar I Pace or something like that.
1:05:17
I was just going to say, I think to Tanya's point about how there are so
1:05:21
many over in Europe, the few that they have brought here, like the e golf and
1:05:26
the The Nissan LEAF and things like that, I think they just, they were
1:05:31
not welcomed into the American market.
1:05:34
Nobody bought them.
1:05:35
Nobody cares.
1:05:36
And it has to do with our emissions and our administration
1:05:41
and the, you know, the government regulations and things like that.
1:05:43
That just are not forcing people to change.
1:05:46
But I'm actually looking forward to seeing more electrics come on the market
1:05:50
just because it's something different.
1:05:53
Speaking of best selling cars and whatnot, Porsche has the Tecan, which
1:05:58
is their electric model, and it is the best selling Porsche in Europe right now.
1:06:04
It is a good looking car, I gotta give it that.
1:06:07
So in fairness, though, you need to say that if you group the Cayenne and
1:06:12
its baby brother, the Cayenne Coupe, together, and you're calling those all
1:06:16
SUVs, the Porsche SUV is the best selling.
1:06:18
The biggest selling Porsche in Europe, but they actually had a table that
1:06:21
broke down specifically by model.
1:06:23
And so by differentiated model, the Taycan is the number one,
1:06:27
like by pretty fair margin.
1:06:29
I mean, number two is the 911.
1:06:31
So, and, uh, the Macan actually is going to be getting, uh, an
1:06:35
EV sibling, um, in the future.
1:06:38
I think that one's still two years out though.
1:06:41
God, I wish I was in the market for some of these cars.
1:06:43
I wish I was in the market for a, for a Mach E.
1:06:46
I would buy that the day it came out if I was in the market for something like that.
1:06:50
It's got my attention, that's for sure.
1:06:52
So what else is going on in this electrified world of ours?
1:06:55
So we did mention the 500E earlier, and there's already a 500E
1:07:00
that's available right now, but there's going to be the new 500E.
1:07:04
And I'm not just saying like, Oh, it's new.
1:07:06
Like new as in the new Beetle, the new 500.
1:07:10
I think they're branding it now as the Fiat new 500 electric.
1:07:14
Mentioning earlier about how a lot of folks are now starting to develop
1:07:18
EV specific platforms for their EVs.
1:07:21
This now is no longer, I guess.
1:07:24
Assuming the current one is probably just a regular Fiat 500 ice that's
1:07:27
been retrofitted for electric.
1:07:30
They've actually redone the platform specifically for the batteries and
1:07:33
whatnot and to that end getting dimensionally a little bit bigger.
1:07:37
Brad, don't get excited because it's only a whopping six
1:07:40
centimeters wider and longer.
1:07:43
That's that is enough.
1:07:45
That is enough room.
1:07:46
Does, do I get six centimeters in roof height?
1:07:49
That's what I want to know.
1:07:50
No, I was, I was curious about that, but I didn't see that mentioned.
1:07:53
They did say it's not that great if you got backseat passengers,
1:07:57
which it's like, yeah, okay.
1:07:58
I mean, none of the Fiat 500s were ever great.
1:08:00
If you needed to put someone in the backseat, I mean, it's not that great.
1:08:04
Or in the front seat if you're six foot eight and listen to, uh, this, this
1:08:08
month's, uh, big man, little car episode.
1:08:11
Well, you know, if you're a normal sized, well, well, average size.
1:08:16
Italian.
1:08:17
Stereotypical normal person, the Fiat 500s.
1:08:20
It was great.
1:08:21
I mean, for me, you know, five foot six or seven, I mean,
1:08:24
there was plenty of room in it.
1:08:26
If I was Tanya's size, I'd drive in a bar three.
1:08:28
I know, right?
1:08:29
But for the anti metric people out there, six centimeters is just over two inches.
1:08:34
So that's significant for a Fiat 500 if you think about its size.
1:08:39
It's a 500L now.
1:08:40
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
1:08:41
It's probably more along the lines of the 500L.
1:08:44
In terms of its, its range, I mentioned it earlier that it's only
1:08:47
going to have a You know, 199 mile range, which is actually higher over
1:08:51
double what the current 500 E can do.
1:08:53
So they've done a significant upgrade in terms of their range capability.
1:08:57
And that's all done with a pretty small battery pack.
1:08:59
It seems I only see any of these people increasing range, increasing
1:09:03
capacity out of their batteries, right?
1:09:05
Especially as technology evolves.
1:09:06
But the interesting thing is, you know, as they're retweaking it, they
1:09:10
mentioned in terms of styling, they're definitely trying to, already the
1:09:13
Fiat 500 was a retro redesign, right?
1:09:16
It very much looks like, it's very reminiscent of the original one.
1:09:19
Well, this one is going to take even more cues off the original one,
1:09:23
which it can do because if they're redesigning it from the ground up.
1:09:27
The original had the engine in the back, so you don't have to worry about all that
1:09:30
front end cooling airflow stuff, right?
1:09:32
They can make the front end look, you know, a little bit more reminiscent
1:09:35
of the original, which is what they're going to do, and they said there were
1:09:38
some other accents and features, and even in the interior was going to be
1:09:41
more reminiscent of the original 500.
1:09:44
So I think that's kind of exciting, just because the 500's an icon,
1:09:47
whatever the mileage it gets.
1:09:49
It's a fun, great little car, so I'm excited to see it, and hopefully,
1:09:53
we should get it, hopefully.
1:09:55
So if they do an electric panda, will it be called the Pandy?
1:09:59
I don't care what it's called!
1:10:00
If they do it like some of those mock ups, I will, I will buy it!
1:10:05
Okay.
1:10:08
Ladies and gentlemen, this woman has a fascination with the panda.
1:10:12
If you don't know about it, check the website.
1:10:14
It is, it is pretty deep and ongoing, but, but with that, what else is on the docket?
1:10:20
Yeah.
1:10:20
So jumping back before we talk about, I think the Tesla again, we
1:10:24
were talking about the Tesla range and this, that, and the other.
1:10:27
And actually an article came out the other day, about the
1:10:30
new Tesla that's coming out.
1:10:32
Before I talk about that, I want to hit on the Lucid Air, which I feel like is
1:10:38
a very fly under the radar car so far.
1:10:41
So if you don't know anything about Lucid, the company, they apparently
1:10:45
were first founded back in 2007 as, uh, That's a sugar replacement, right?
1:10:52
I hope I'm pronouncing it right, I apologize.
1:10:55
You're now called Lucid Air, much easier to pronounce.
1:10:57
That company started out making all the high performance batteries for Formula E.
1:11:01
Okay, so you're telling me off the bat that you hopefully know something about
1:11:05
electric cars and batteries, right?
1:11:07
And the interesting thing is, so the car, the Lucid Air, the electric
1:11:10
sedan that they're coming up with, is taking direction from former
1:11:14
Tesla Model S lead engineer, Mr.
1:11:16
Peter Rawlinson.
1:11:17
So, I'm pretty sure this guy knows a thing or two as well, and they're touting
1:11:24
that their luxury electric sedan is going to have a thousand horsepower.
1:11:30
517 mile range, and it is going to be priced for the faint of heart.
1:11:35
I mean, it's going to be anywhere from 80, 000 to 169, 000, depending
1:11:40
on the package options and whatnot.
1:11:42
And a couple of days ago and, and someone else actually posted today
1:11:46
about the same thing as the Tesla, not to be outdone, they had their battery
1:11:49
day event two days ago on the 22nd of September, and they announced the.
1:11:53
The plaid version of the model S that they've been talking about for a little
1:11:57
bit now, but apparently it's actually going to come to fruition and it's
1:12:01
going to have 1100 horsepower and a 520 mile range and cost 140, 000.
1:12:08
So, I mean, it's definitely.
1:12:10
In terms of, you know, the insanity of what these two vehicles are priced,
1:12:14
they're definitely side by side competitors, very close to each other.
1:12:19
And Tesla just eked out stats that are slightly better than, than the Lucid Air.
1:12:24
So we'll see what comes of that in terms of the styling of the Lucid Air.
1:12:28
I don't know that I'm in love with it.
1:12:31
I don't think I like this weird chrome trim piece that they seem to
1:12:34
have across the front of the hood.
1:12:36
I think that detracts from it.
1:12:37
I think if they got rid of that, it would probably be a
1:12:39
much more elegant looking car.
1:12:41
I mean, I think that's the 13th Cylon.
1:12:45
It definitely looks like something out of Battlestar Galactica.
1:12:48
But, uh, yeah, we'll just leave it there.
1:12:50
I don't know.
1:12:51
We'll see what it is.
1:12:52
We'll see if they can do fit and finish better than Tesla.
1:12:55
We'll see if they have to design their cars with Home Depot parts.
1:12:58
But what are you talking about?
1:13:00
It's ironic that a lack of craftsmanship revealed a lack of craftsmanship.
1:13:05
So we've all kind of heard these horror stories about the fit and finish of Tesla.
1:13:08
It's not there because they're not known for manufacturing
1:13:11
cars like all the majors.
1:13:13
They haven't been doing this for very long and they, you know, there's
1:13:16
been a lot of complaints from people on Tesla forums about doors not
1:13:19
aligning and, and panels, panels.
1:13:22
Being, having gaps and this, that, and the other.
1:13:24
And I guess this one fellow posted in a Tesla forum, his discovery, because
1:13:28
as he was trying to address all these panel gaps in his frunk that were
1:13:32
bothering him after he spent tens of thousands of dollars on this car.
1:13:35
And I think Tesla wasn't going to help fix it.
1:13:38
He removed a lot of the, the frunk paneling and underneath the frunk is
1:13:43
where the liquid cooled condenser sits and is where he discovered that it
1:13:48
was installed using metal strapping.
1:13:50
And the article from Jalopnik jokes about, you know, what is this shit found
1:13:59
at Home Depot, you know, in this car.
1:14:02
And it didn't sound like this was the only Tesla to have been found with this kind
1:14:08
of what I'm going to consider patchwork.
1:14:10
Okay, maybe something happened, you changed the size of this
1:14:13
condenser and suddenly your mounting system no longer worked.
1:14:18
But I feel like any of the other majors would have stopped production,
1:14:22
got engineering to fix the problem before they, you know, rolled out
1:14:26
all these cards with the patch.
1:14:27
I'm pretty sure the hope is, well, no one's gonna go dismantle their
1:14:30
frunk and go find this thing.
1:14:31
So what we'll do is we'll just fix it during the next, you know service interval
1:14:36
or have a special recall and update it once they get the engineering figured
1:14:40
out but it's like wow really maybe it's because elon musk is south african we all
1:14:47
forget that and that's british adjacent and therefore tesla is just being built
1:14:52
like all the other british boutique cars as we discuss and you guys will
1:14:56
hear on our british car owners episode.
1:14:59
They're just cobbled together.
1:15:00
It's cobblers all the way down, as John Wade would say, right?
1:15:03
And these are high class cobblers.
1:15:04
I wish more manufacturers would do this.
1:15:07
I would love nothing more than to be able to run down to the Home Depot and
1:15:12
get all my parts to rebuild my car.
1:15:15
I mean, if you look at any old Lotus.
1:15:17
How about with a Morgan?
1:15:19
Morgans are made of wood, just go get some 2x4s and get it done.
1:15:22
You know, you read the comments section and there's, there's nuggets of joy.
1:15:26
You know, I 100 percent agree.
1:15:28
You know, that's, it's one thing when you find yourself stranded somewhere,
1:15:32
and the only thing you have is Home Depot to help fix your car to get
1:15:36
your ass home, and you do that.
1:15:37
But when you pay 30, 000, 60, 000, 80, 000 for a car?
1:15:43
You really?
1:15:44
I don't want it taped together.
1:15:46
I mean, come on now.
1:15:48
Tesla could have avoided all of this if they painted it all black.
1:15:52
If they painted the wood pieces black and they painted the tape black or
1:15:55
used black painter's tape or whatever.
1:15:58
Carbon fiber.
1:16:00
Yes, yes, yes.
1:16:00
It's carbon fiber, wood paneling.
1:16:04
Meanwhile, you flip it over in the Home Depot barcodes on the bottom
1:16:07
with the aisle number on it where you can pick the replacement part up.
1:16:10
Can I return it?
1:16:12
The receipt was accidentally left in the trunk.
1:16:17
Oh man, that's brutal.
1:16:19
Oh, Tesla.
1:16:20
Oh boy.
1:16:22
Speaking of Tesla, uh, we're going to do a little bit of an update on the Tesla
1:16:26
model three performance that whooped ass at Buttonwillow a few months back.
1:16:32
Basically Randy Pope's took that, I think that very car from unplugged
1:16:36
performance and they decided they were going to try and run Pike's Peak.
1:16:38
I think that was the plan all along.
1:16:40
He didn't have a lot of fun.
1:16:42
During the practice session, he went off track.
1:16:45
I mean, there's videos of it everywhere online.
1:16:47
You can find those.
1:16:48
We'll post a link.
1:16:49
Um, yeah, he went off and destroyed the car pretty much, but after a lot of
1:16:54
ingenuity and a lot of hard work, they were able to get the car back together.
1:16:58
Uh, and it went out, it ran its session and it ended up second in class.
1:17:03
So, as much as we like to harp and give Tesla crap and, you know, electric cars
1:17:09
aren't going to be race cars and all this, that, and the other, I would like
1:17:11
to give a round of applause to Randy Popes for posting a pretty impressive
1:17:15
time up that really challenging and dangerous hill climb that is Pikes Peak.
1:17:20
So, good job.
1:17:21
Congratulations.
1:17:21
And thankfully, he was unharmed.
1:17:23
from that crash, which was pretty epic looking and very scary.
1:17:27
Actually, when you consider there was a cliff on the other side, so he was
1:17:31
four wheels in the air at one point.
1:17:33
Basically what happened was there was a, there was a dip in the Hill.
1:17:37
It basically lost traction.
1:17:38
And when it came back down, it got squirrelly and he
1:17:40
wasn't able to recover it.
1:17:42
And he, so.
1:17:43
airborne and basically just slammed into the side of the mountain.
1:17:48
I believe they call that a nosedive.
1:17:50
Yes.
1:17:51
There you go.
1:17:51
Yes.
1:17:52
Nosedive into, into the rocks there.
1:17:54
And I mean, he's, it's very, I'm, I'm happy that he's, he's unharmed.
1:17:58
He was able to, you know, Basically walk away and get in a couple
1:18:01
of days later and redo the run.
1:18:02
So definitely a round of applause for him.
1:18:05
So let's round out our electric car segment with one more piece of news.
1:18:08
What do we got?
1:18:09
I think Tanya has got some Christmas shopping ideas for us.
1:18:13
Do you remember the Bugatti baby two?
1:18:17
Oh man, did they got a Bugatti baby three?
1:18:19
That's my pair of shoes.
1:18:22
No, but Aston Martin doesn't want to be outdone by Bugatti.
1:18:29
And they too are offering an electric kitty version of one of its iconic cars.
1:18:35
The DB5.
1:18:37
Oh, James Bond.
1:18:43
It's Jimmy Bond Jr.
1:18:46
So it's not for your everyday person.
1:18:49
Okay, it's rich people stuff again.
1:18:52
So let's just.
1:18:53
She's like, I, you get it?
1:18:56
Rich people doing rich people things yet again.
1:19:00
Let's just calibrate here for a second.
1:19:02
Okay, because 60, 000.
1:19:06
For your child to have an electric car.
1:19:08
Now, wait a minute.
1:19:09
That out, that outspends the Bugatti.
1:19:11
Wasn't the Bugatti 58 or something like that?
1:19:14
The actual cost range.
1:19:15
Cause of course there's different models.
1:19:17
Right.
1:19:18
You get one as low as 47, 000 or as high as 60, 000.
1:19:23
Now you're absolutely right.
1:19:24
The starting price of the baby too was 35, 000, but it's top of the
1:19:29
line speed key, blah, blah, blah.
1:19:32
With 68, 000 68.
1:19:35
That's what it was.
1:19:36
So they are in line with each other.
1:19:38
Okay.
1:19:39
And not only that, so there's, so there are two models of the DB five electric
1:19:43
junior, the junior it's top speed is 30 miles an hour with a 20 mile range.
1:19:49
And then there's the Vantage model, which goes faster.
1:19:53
And that's all they said.
1:19:54
So I don't know how much faster it goes, but it goes faster.
1:19:57
And if you recall the baby too, it also had a 30 mile range.
1:20:01
And then it's expert mode would go 30 miles an hour, but then the speed key is
1:20:06
what brought it up to 42 miles an hour.
1:20:09
So I can only assume that the DP five is going to be something
1:20:11
on par with the Bugatti and be around 40 miles an hour as well.
1:20:15
The real question is, is there a James Bond version that has like, I don't know,
1:20:19
oil slicks to come out of it or something.
1:20:22
That's way better than the speed key.
1:20:24
I need all the booby traps and grenades and smoke.
1:20:27
And on that note, I think it's time to make some donuts as we go behind the
1:20:32
pit wall for some motorsports news.
1:20:35
So if you're like me and fall asleep watching most F1 races,
1:20:39
you'll have noted that this past weekend there was no F1 race on TV.
1:20:43
The reason is because Le Mans was on instead.
1:20:46
And many of you have might have forgotten that it was postponed from the
1:20:50
traditional Father's Day weekend in June until the 19th and 20th of September.
1:20:56
So I'm going to wrap it up for you real quick.
1:20:58
Toyota won because they're the only car in their class.
1:21:02
They forced Rebellion basically to put a car that is realistically a LMP2 car into
1:21:08
P1 so that Toyota had somebody to compete with because everybody else is pulled out.
1:21:13
That being said, even during qualifying, Rebellion came out and said they stood
1:21:18
absolutely no chance against the Toyota.
1:21:21
I will hand it to Bruno Senna that he did a fantastic job piloting that car.
1:21:26
They positioned second in qualifying, but he said that was pretty much
1:21:31
the best lap they were going to get out of the car and it was not
1:21:34
repeatable for 24 hours straight.
1:21:36
The other thing that Rebellion said, had the weather been less than
1:21:40
optimal, the race would have basically been immediately over for them.
1:21:44
They are still in a rear wheel drive Gibson powered car,
1:21:48
you know, standard petrol V8.
1:21:50
The Toyota is a hybrid and it's all wheel drive.
1:21:54
So in less than optimal conditions, they were going to
1:21:57
win as long as they didn't wreck.
1:21:58
So again, my, my applause to Bruno and his team.
1:22:01
We talked about him on our gentlemen drivers episode, but they
1:22:05
ended up at the end of 24 hours.
1:22:06
They were five laps plus down from Toyota.
1:22:09
And realistically.
1:22:12
Lmp2 was more of the same.
1:22:14
27 cars that look exactly the same with different liveries on them.
1:22:17
And you could care less about who was driving the real race as always was
1:22:22
in GT pro, unfortunately, this year, Porsche pulled out, Corvette pulled out a
1:22:27
bunch of other manufacturers pulled out.
1:22:29
And that left a really interesting battle between Aston Martin.
1:22:34
and Ferrari.
1:22:34
And that was really the race to watch amongst the four races that
1:22:38
are going on at all the same time.
1:22:40
That was the one to watch.
1:22:41
Aston and Ferrari were really tight.
1:22:44
The racing was good, lots of back and forth, but in all
1:22:47
honesty, it was Aston's race.
1:22:50
They have a better car.
1:22:51
The Ferrari is older technology in comparison to the new Aston, but
1:22:55
overall, that was a great race.
1:22:57
I'm sad to see that Corvette pulled out.
1:22:59
It would have been nice to have the Corvette in there just to mix it up.
1:23:02
I can also understand why Porsche pulled out.
1:23:04
However, there were Porsche's campaigned by privateers in GT pro.
1:23:09
Those were the number 91 and 92 car, but unfortunately they
1:23:12
came in sixth and seventh due to issues with pit tires, et cetera.
1:23:16
And at the end.
1:23:17
We have the GT AM class or the amateur class.
1:23:20
And if you want to know about that, just listen to our gentlemen drivers episode,
1:23:24
because that pretty much summarizes everything that happened in that race.
1:23:27
Because otherwise there were just cars lapping the track
1:23:30
and they're rolling chicanes.
1:23:32
So overall, Le Mans was uneventful.
1:23:34
No major wrecks that were really of any substance.
1:23:38
You know, just some breakdowns, this and that, it was just 24
1:23:41
hours of cars going around.
1:23:42
It was cool to see it on multiple streaming platforms for a change where
1:23:47
you didn't have to get velocity that only like three people have access to, you
1:23:53
know, it was on Motor Trend and Motor Trend was then showing it on Hulu and
1:23:56
showing it in other places and streaming it, you know, via multiple services.
1:23:59
So accessibility to Le Mans this year was really, really good.
1:24:04
It was very strange though to watch it and notice that there was
1:24:08
nobody else on track outside of the cars, the teams, and the marshals.
1:24:13
There was nobody in the grandstands, there wasn't your
1:24:15
typical people at the fence line.
1:24:16
It was very barren and so it made it a very somber experience to watch Le Mans.
1:24:21
I still watch it because it's tradition.
1:24:23
Overall it was a solid race, but I look forward to next year.
1:24:27
Two more little tidbits on the LeMans race this year.
1:24:30
Uh, one, one of the drivers in the first place car was Brendan Hartley.
1:24:35
Some of you may know that name from Formula One a couple years ago.
1:24:39
I believe he was racing for, uh, then was Toro Rosso.
1:24:42
I don't know if he ever got into the actual Red Bull proper car, but he was
1:24:46
racing in Formula One a couple years ago.
1:24:48
Uh, and then also that red Aston Martin.
1:24:52
Oh my God.
1:24:53
Yeah.
1:24:53
That car made my heart skip a beat.
1:24:55
That car was beautiful.
1:24:56
I'd never seen an Aston Martin in that color.
1:24:58
Uh, the green ones are cool and all, but that red one was just like, so a
1:25:02
little bit of news from NASCAR, but you all know who Michael Jordan is, right?
1:25:06
You know, basketball player has five or six rings with the Chicago
1:25:09
bulls, arguably the greatest basketball player of all time.
1:25:12
He also owns the Charlotte Hornets.
1:25:15
Michael Jordan is partnering up with Denny Hamlin for a new one
1:25:18
car NASCAR team, and it's going to run in the cup series next year.
1:25:22
And their driver is going to be Bubba Wallace, who, if you might remember, was
1:25:26
recently with Richard Petty Motorsports.
1:25:29
He left Richard Petty in July.
1:25:30
And I guess now we know why.
1:25:32
Denny Hamlin is a minority owner in the team, but he will continue to race
1:25:37
for Joe Gibbs racing next year, 2021.
1:25:40
The thinking behind this is that Michael Jordan has been watching NASCAR.
1:25:44
You know, he's been a huge fan of NASCAR ever since he was a little kid.
1:25:47
He grew up in North Carolina.
1:25:49
His parents took him to races and everything, him and his family, his
1:25:51
brothers and siblings and everything.
1:25:53
Uh, and they, it's just a sport that he loves.
1:25:56
He's excited about the recent changes in NASCAR, especially over the last year.
1:26:01
With the, the new diversity that they're bringing to the sport, the exclusion of
1:26:05
the confederate flag or the banning of the confederate flag and things like that.
1:26:09
Uh, so he is hoping to bring even more diversity to the sport and give
1:26:13
minorities a place to come and bring more people that wouldn't otherwise
1:26:19
be interested or even know or have a chance to participate in NASCAR.
1:26:24
He's giving them a platform to be able to come in and And just show
1:26:27
them that you can do this too.
1:26:29
I'm excited for the jump man, racing suits and the air Jordan helmets,
1:26:36
the Jordan special branding, but I have to say, given his history with.
1:26:42
how he's run the Charlotte Hornets organization.
1:26:45
Their team is not very good.
1:26:47
Hopefully he lets Denny Hamlin and Bubba Wallace kind of take over
1:26:50
controls of the NASCAR team and let them kind of do their thing.
1:26:54
But I'm excited.
1:26:55
I like Bubba Wallace.
1:26:56
I think he's a great personality.
1:26:57
I think he's a great guy.
1:26:58
I follow him on Instagram and I'm looking forward to seeing him do
1:27:02
some good things in NASCAR next year.
1:27:04
Switching to some local news.
1:27:05
This time autocross.
1:27:07
So as you guys know, you can go to WDCR SECA.
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org and look up solo for autocross schedule in our local area.
1:27:15
They, as we've mentioned on multiple episodes, they pretty much have the
1:27:18
lion's share of events in the DMV.
1:27:20
However, there are other groups like PCA and etc.
1:27:23
and even the Corvette Club that run their own events outside of, you
1:27:27
know, let's all go to FedEx field and drive through a sea of cones.
1:27:32
The Corvette Club still has two events left on the schedule in October.
1:27:36
They're at the BWI overflow lot, and they will be held on
1:27:40
October 4th and October 25th.
1:27:42
You can learn more about going to a Corvette Club autocross by visiting www.
1:27:47
vet.
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com.
1:27:48
Dash club dot O R G.
1:27:50
And all the information is there on their newly redesigned website,
1:27:53
which looks really, really sharp.
1:27:55
In addition to that, we've recently partnered with Dave
1:27:58
Peters and the folks over at H.
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P.
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D.
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E.
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Junkie dot com who deliver up to date schedules for all the D.
1:28:06
E.
1:28:06
Events around the country and soon to include Canada.
1:28:11
And we've most tightly integrated with their website
1:28:14
through our tool, paddock pal.
1:28:16
And that can be found at www.
1:28:18
paddock pal.
1:28:19
com, which is your track site assistant, giving you track travel information, uh,
1:28:24
information about the, about the event, you know, scheduling, one lap information,
1:28:28
weather conditions, et cetera.
1:28:30
So we've integrated HPDE Junkie into Paddock PAL so that you can get
1:28:35
more information on when the next event Is going to be at whatever
1:28:38
particular track that is in our system.
1:28:41
Now, kind of looking at it, just in a general area to talk about the big
1:28:44
tracks, uh, looking at HPD junkies website right now, summit point has
1:28:49
about 10 events left in the year from September, the end of September
1:28:54
here through the end of November.
1:28:56
Watkins Glen has another four events to go, including an event in October
1:29:01
that we'll probably be going to.
1:29:02
it in with hooked on dri to that, V.
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I.
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R.
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Has abo to go, including hooked o the Audi club, all runnin through almost december.
1:29:22
In the DMV and you can get all that information and direct links to where
1:29:27
to register and get more information on all those events by visiting hbdejunkie.
1:29:32
com and we thank them for that information.
1:29:34
In addition to that, congratulations to Sam Harrington, one of our members
1:29:39
on winning the Northeast Conference Championship for the 2020 SCCA season
1:29:45
in the Formula Enterprise 2 class.
1:29:48
We wish him the best of luck as he continues his journey.
1:29:51
at the runoffs starting at the beginning of October, which are
1:29:56
going to be held at Road America.
1:29:58
If you want to follow Sam's progress, we've uploaded the entire runoff schedule,
1:30:03
which if you read it in its original form, it's really hard to follow.
1:30:06
We uploaded it to Patek Pal.
1:30:09
to include qualifying and race day so you can follow his progress throughout
1:30:14
the week and when to tune in to look at the live feeds and live streams that SCCA
1:30:19
will be broadcasting during the runoff.
1:30:21
So we're hoping to cheer on Sam.
1:30:22
We will talk more about his runoff experience in the October
1:30:26
episode of the drive through.
1:30:28
Go Sam, go!
1:30:30
For all the coaches out there, a little bit of information came
1:30:33
across our desk from track days.
1:30:34
They've put out some new guidance and I think this is a common theme
1:30:38
amongst many DE organizations.
1:30:41
So I'm going to read this verbatim.
1:30:44
We've had some requests for instructors to get back in the cars.
1:30:47
There seems to be a mix of instructors that are not ready and those that are.
1:30:51
On the other side of the coin, there are students that are ready for in car
1:30:54
instruction and those that are not.
1:30:56
If you're ready to get back in the car, please indicate to your group
1:31:00
leaders, chief instructors, et cetera, when you register for these events.
1:31:04
So organizations are now asking to And I've seen this personally on events
1:31:09
that I've recently coached in where they want to know, are you doing in car?
1:31:12
Are you doing lead follow?
1:31:14
Are you just not comfortable with the whole thing in general?
1:31:16
And as we move into the fall with flu season coming around, potential of
1:31:20
COVID resurfacing, et cetera, obviously we're all at maximum awareness.
1:31:24
We're all at maximum concern.
1:31:26
We want to stay safe, but a lot of the DE organizations are pulling back and
1:31:31
now making it basically coach's choice.
1:31:34
If they want to get back in the car.
1:31:36
If they want to do lead follow, but if you do get back in the car,
1:31:40
please remember your PPE, right?
1:31:43
Your personal protective equipment, you know, mask up, do what you need to do.
1:31:47
I can personally attest to the fact that the chatterbox is still work.
1:31:51
If you're wearing a mask inside your helmet, all that kind of
1:31:53
thing, it's not a big deal.
1:31:55
So if you find yourself out in Ohio, outside Columbus in mountain Vernon,
1:32:00
Ohio, you could find yourself at the Power Wheels drag racing event on
1:32:07
September 26th, which is only in two days, people, so get yourselves out there.
1:32:11
This is a children's drag racing event using Power Wheels, and there is a 12
1:32:17
volt stock and 12 volt modified class, as well as a 24 volt modified class.
1:32:23
There's some pictures of cute little kids in racing helmets, and um, All
1:32:27
sorts of, you know, Corvette Power Wheels and whatever else, Mercedes
1:32:32
GLS Power Wheels and all these things.
1:32:35
So it seems like it's probably a really fun event for the kids.
1:32:38
I want to know, who's bringing their DB5 Jr.
1:32:42
or their Bugatti Baby 2 to this?
1:32:44
We need to know.
1:32:45
So if you're out there, you see these at this event, I want to
1:32:50
know what it does in the quarter.
1:32:51
I mean, we talked about what they do at Pikes Peak, but
1:32:54
this is way more interesting.
1:32:56
Two other pieces of motorsport news here as we wrap up record setting motorcycle
1:33:01
racer, Ralph Hudson died this month.
1:33:04
He was involved in a 252 mile an hour crash.
1:33:08
He's a 69 year old veteran motorcycle racer, and he holds several speed
1:33:14
records, including reaching 300 miles an hour on the Bonneville salt flat.
1:33:19
So a motorcycle legend has passed.
1:33:22
We're sad to see that him go, but you know, an incredible story.
1:33:26
If you look into his history, I mean, that's again, we've said it many times.
1:33:30
Motorcycle riders.
1:33:31
It's a whole nother level of just.
1:33:34
Adrenaline and ambition and craziness there compared to us guys with
1:33:39
the four wheels on the ground.
1:33:41
In addition to that, Netflix is apparently making a drama around Ayrton Senna.
1:33:46
It's going to come out sometime in 2022.
1:33:50
It will be filmed in English and in Portuguese, and it'll be an
1:33:53
eight episode fictional miniseries based on the life of Ayrton Senna,
1:33:57
according to Variety Magazine.
1:33:59
It will dive into Senna's personality, family relationships, and illustrious.
1:34:04
Kicking off following his racing debut with his move to England, where he
1:34:09
ran Formula Fords, uh, that was after he finished carding and all that and
1:34:13
in Sao Paolo and it will end with his championship and his tragic death at
1:34:17
the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola.
1:34:19
Honestly, if you've watched the Senate documentary, this movie or this,
1:34:24
Mini series does not need to exist.
1:34:27
I'm still gonna watch it because I'm a fan, but it to
1:34:30
me It just doesn't make sense.
1:34:31
I don't know what there is to elaborate what there is to embellish If you've
1:34:35
read his biography or watched the documentary, you know, he was a playboy,
1:34:39
you know, even though somewhat modest.
1:34:42
He was still larger than life.
1:34:43
He's, he's a hero.
1:34:44
He's a national hero in Brazil.
1:34:46
He's a fan for many of us that grew up in the eighties.
1:34:48
Again, curious to see what they do with this, but not a hundred percent necessary.
1:34:52
I don't like the fact that they've given away the ending.
1:34:55
Now there's no chance for a second season.
1:34:58
Yeah.
1:34:58
It's pretty much like Titanic.
1:35:00
And to add to your Christmas list, and we'll talk about this more in our holiday
1:35:04
shopping episode, keep your eyes out on the Garmin Catalyst driving trainer,
1:35:10
which is now being sponsored in part by Ross Bentley, who many of us know through
1:35:14
Speed Secrets and his many webinars.
1:35:16
And he's come to personally coach some of us through the
1:35:19
Motorsport Safety Foundation.
1:35:20
And he makes guest appearances at many clubs.
1:35:22
He is involved in a aim like device, which looks like an old school Garmin that
1:35:28
you'd have up on your dashboard, GPS base.
1:35:30
And it's designed to coach you through a lap, make you faster, work with you.
1:35:35
Um, kind of eliminates the human factor, but it uses a bunch of AI to analyze
1:35:39
your laps and make you go faster.
1:35:41
Before we move on though, I want to say about that Garmin, I pray.
1:35:46
That the person giving guidance and, uh, advice and stuff, the
1:35:50
computer, the AI, that's talking back to you is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
1:35:54
It's got to be.
1:35:55
Dude.
1:35:55
I, uh, I still want to get to the chopper.
1:35:58
If you do not take the turn and get the apex, you got to get to the apex is out.
1:36:02
You must track out.
1:36:05
Oh my god, that's my tortilla Anyway I will say the price tag is hefty on this
1:36:11
thing And if it wasn't for that boy, does it look gorgeous the the user interface
1:36:16
in it and everything like that I mean, whoo looks like it would be a high
1:36:19
quality product, but outside my budget I think we all gasped at the price, but
1:36:23
it is cool Price competitively against the aim solo two, and especially the
1:36:28
solo two DL, the ones that offer the OBD two services and things like that.
1:36:32
So I don't think it's too far off.
1:36:34
It's a little shocking because a lot of us don't think you bought
1:36:37
your aim so many years ago.
1:36:39
And it's one of those tried and true devices that you've made the investment
1:36:42
and it pays for itself over the years.
1:36:44
This is the next generation of a tool like that.
1:36:46
Now, I, what I'm really excited for is what's aim going to come up with.
1:36:51
In retaliation to this device from Garmin because Garmin's the
1:36:55
new kid in this space, right?
1:36:58
But we need to really move into our combined section now of
1:37:03
would you like fries with that?
1:37:04
Where we've scoured the world looking for the best in car adjacent news.
1:37:09
We might be remiss without a little bit of COVID car adjacent news, I suppose.
1:37:14
I think we're all aware because it was in the news quite a
1:37:17
bit leading up to the event.
1:37:19
During the event, after the event, uh, the yearly Sturgis motorcycle rally,
1:37:24
a lot of people were very concerned prior to this event taking place that
1:37:27
it was going to be bringing, you know, thousands of people that weren't going
1:37:31
to be socially distant and using masks.
1:37:35
Et cetera, et cetera, lo and behold, it's exactly what happened at the event.
1:37:40
And then, you know, the bigger headlines were 250, 000 cases of, you know, the
1:37:45
coronavirus because of the surges rally.
1:37:47
And, you know, that, that got people excited.
1:37:50
And then there was back checking.
1:37:52
Well, you know, really probably wasn't 250, 000.
1:37:54
And that was really a number that was just kind of generated from predictions
1:37:58
of what, you know, the worst case could be at the end of the day.
1:38:01
None of us really know what the true numbers are.
1:38:04
It's probably accurate to say that COVID was probably brought to this small town
1:38:09
of South Dakota if it wasn't already there as a result of this, um, event.
1:38:13
I'm sure that, you know, it wasn't zero cases.
1:38:15
We're still in this thing, whether you want to believe it exists or not.
1:38:19
We all got to do our part, um, so we can get through it.
1:38:22
So just, just be mindful of that.
1:38:23
All right.
1:38:24
So I've got a question.
1:38:26
So we're still in an age of remakes, sequels, and all that, right?
1:38:31
Yeah.
1:38:32
We're still living in this, in this age.
1:38:35
So who thinks it's time for a Ben Hur redo?
1:38:39
What?
1:38:40
So I know this sounds ludicrous, and what am I talking about?
1:38:45
And nobody wants to see horse chariot racing, but what if, in
1:38:48
this modern remake of Ben Hur, it was motorcycle chariot racing?
1:38:53
What?
1:38:54
So they're riding motorcycles being pulled by horses?
1:38:58
I don't get it.
1:38:59
No, they're riding a chariot being pulled by motorcycles.
1:39:03
Oh, wait a minute.
1:39:04
How does that work?
1:39:06
I don't know, honestly, how this could possibly work.
1:39:12
Is this legit?
1:39:13
This is legit.
1:39:14
Apparently, this was a popular form of motorsport in the 1920s and 30s.
1:39:20
You can look this up.
1:39:21
There's an article, there's lots of vintage pictures in there of these people
1:39:25
literally in, in the chariot wagon.
1:39:28
And, and they've got straps attached to the throttles on these motorcycles.
1:39:33
And apparently that's how they're controlling and steering, I imagine,
1:39:37
because I, I don't think they were just going in a straight line.
1:39:40
And, you know, they talked about, you know, the really adventurous guys
1:39:43
would have more than one motorcycle.
1:39:45
And I'm like, there was a picture of like a dude with like three motorcycles
1:39:48
in front of his little chariot wagon.
1:39:50
I mean, on a scale of what?
1:39:57
I mean, this is pretty far on the dumb AF side.
1:40:00
I, I think you're, I think you're wrong.
1:40:03
This is clearly from the onion.
1:40:05
This can't be real.
1:40:06
I mean, this just reinforces that motorcycle riders are on a completely
1:40:10
different planet than the rest of us.
1:40:13
You know, I didn't do, you know, in fairness, I didn't do a lot
1:40:16
of fact checking around this, but it originated in Florida.
1:40:20
It might have, I mean, these look like legit photos.
1:40:25
Um, unbelievable facts.
1:40:27
com, uh, has this article on motorcycle chariot racing was a
1:40:31
real sport in the 1920s and 1930s.
1:40:34
And then they have, I think at the end of the article, They've
1:40:36
got some more modern age photos.
1:40:39
People still doing this apparently.
1:40:41
These guys got a west coast chopper style motorcycle pulling
1:40:44
their little chariot wagon thing.
1:40:46
Let's move on from that.
1:40:49
We think that's crazy.
1:40:51
Well, we can go to a crazier town.
1:40:55
There is, what could possibly go wrong speeding around well in excess of
1:41:00
100 miles an hour on public highways in an 1100 horsepower DIY Audi RS3?
1:41:07
What could go wrong?
1:41:08
That's legit.
1:41:09
I think absolutely nothing could possibly go wrong.
1:41:12
It says home built.
1:41:13
Oh good.
1:41:16
Well, we got to do something now that Garrett's declared bankruptcy, right?
1:41:19
You can build your own turbo.
1:41:21
So I'm gonna cut right to the chase on this one.
1:41:23
A brake line breaks on this car that's doing almost 150 miles an hour.
1:41:28
Brake fluid obviously spews out onto the hot brakes, which then ignite, and
1:41:35
essentially by the time they get the car stopped, because they didn't have any
1:41:38
brakes, the whole freaking thing goes up in flames because a fuel line melted and
1:41:42
then everything catches on fire basically at this point i i i mean i like there's
1:41:51
a video because these guys were go proing this whole thing and they were their
1:41:55
street racing there was other people in um mclaren and And then the GTR, this,
1:42:01
that, and the other, and they were doing hot pulls on the highway and all those
1:42:03
shenanigans that you shouldn't be doing.
1:42:06
And so there's footage of the in car and the dialogue between
1:42:09
the driver and the passenger.
1:42:10
And then there's some later GoPro footage of the other people that saw the
1:42:15
car sparks and smoke coming out of it.
1:42:18
But I do imagine that it must've been pretty terrifying to be going
1:42:22
that fast, have smoke start coming into the car and then realize
1:42:26
that you don't have any brakes.
1:42:27
But these people were buffoons.
1:42:31
Oh, man.
1:42:32
Okay.
1:42:33
At one point, the passenger asks, Can you turn the motor on and downshift?
1:42:38
To which the driver answers, No, it's dead.
1:42:41
So, they have that conversation about turning the car on.
1:42:44
They can't turn the car on.
1:42:45
Shortly after, in the GoPro in car footage, you see the
1:42:48
passenger door has opened.
1:42:50
And they're still going.
1:42:51
They're going.
1:42:52
Quick.
1:42:53
And you hear this scraping noise in the video.
1:42:57
Yes, we're trying to Fred Flintstone this thing.
1:43:00
Laughter.
1:43:03
And at least the response was accurate.
1:43:06
My foot not gonna do shit.
1:43:09
You're damn right it's not at like 60 miles an hour how fast you
1:43:13
still were going at this point.
1:43:15
All right, then the next thing we hear, I don't want to put you into the wall.
1:43:20
To which I'm assuming it's the driver talking to his car and not concerned
1:43:25
about like, you know, the passenger side, the passenger going into the wall.
1:43:29
Um, but honestly, I think at this point, that's probably what I
1:43:32
would have done in this situation.
1:43:33
Well, I would have been in the situation to begin with, but if I found myself
1:43:37
in a situation where I couldn't stop my car and this is nighttime, there's
1:43:41
not a lot of people around, I mean, pull up gently next to the jersey wall
1:43:45
and scrub some paint from the video.
1:43:47
They just kept going perfectly in the lane as if they also apparently had.
1:43:51
A parachute that they couldn't deploy for some reason or another.
1:43:55
Oh, you buy all this stuff on eBay.
1:43:57
I mean, what do you expect?
1:44:00
I don't, I don't know.
1:44:01
I mean, I imagine there's, there's a, there's a lot of
1:44:03
panic that was probably going on.
1:44:05
So I'm sure they're not thinking clearly about all their options.
1:44:08
I mean, there was a lot of, Oh my God, we got to get out.
1:44:10
We got to get out.
1:44:11
How do we get out?
1:44:12
Nonetheless, eventually they, they creeped the car to a stop.
1:44:16
And then some of the other street racers, they were there, they, you know, they
1:44:20
came rushing up, they had these little baby fire extinguishers and they were
1:44:23
trying to, you know, extinguish the flames that were now coming out of the hood.
1:44:26
I will say at least a very intelligent thing happened at
1:44:29
this point when someone said.
1:44:32
Don't open the hood.
1:44:34
I mean, despite the fact that you probably couldn't touch the hood for
1:44:37
how hot it was with, you know, flames shooting out from under it, but you
1:44:40
know, it would have been catastrophic to lift the hood and introduce all
1:44:43
that oxygen and feed that fire.
1:44:46
So thank goodness they didn't do that.
1:44:48
The second intelligent thing was, One of the guys saying, I'm not
1:44:51
going to go back and get my GoPro.
1:44:53
He damn right.
1:44:54
You shouldn't go back.
1:44:55
The freaking car is on fire and golden flames at this point.
1:44:58
But the footage, that's some pretty awesome footage.
1:45:02
I mean, he did later, like you see him, he's holding the GoPro.
1:45:05
So I guess it didn't.
1:45:05
So kudos to a GoPro.
1:45:07
It didn't melt.
1:45:07
It did look like it had a little bit of.
1:45:09
damage, but it didn't, it didn't melt.
1:45:11
So, and they had all this footage.
1:45:12
So clearly the GoPro survived.
1:45:14
So kudos to GoPro.
1:45:15
The video goes on for a while.
1:45:16
You see what they're saying.
1:45:18
Oh, the tire just exploded.
1:45:20
Like, and you see these big pops and stuff, which is probably possible
1:45:23
with all the heat and flames coming out right there against the rubber.
1:45:26
But I mean, I got one thing to say about that.
1:45:29
Good luck on that insurance claim, bro.
1:45:31
Total loss.
1:45:32
Perhaps the lesson here is not the street race.
1:45:34
Take your 1100 horsepower to your local track, folks, and do it safely.
1:45:38
The hits keep on coming.
1:45:40
I'm gonna read this headline because I thank my local radio
1:45:43
for giving me these nuggets.
1:45:45
And this is a North Dakota man.
1:45:47
Combine crash.
1:45:49
Man arrested for DUI after flipping farm equipment.
1:45:52
So for anybody who doesn't know what a combine is, it's a gigantic
1:45:56
harvester, essentially, okay?
1:45:58
It's a gigantic piece of farm equipment.
1:46:00
And I don't know much about farm equipment, but based on the picture
1:46:03
of the flipped over combine, I could tell that it is John Deere.
1:46:08
And I could see the model number, so I looked it up.
1:46:11
So it's an S670 John Deere Combine.
1:46:15
Because I was curious, how do you flip farm equipment?
1:46:18
Because I imagine they're pretty heavy.
1:46:20
And so I want, I looked it up, because I want to know how much one weighs.
1:46:23
So, any guesses?
1:46:25
I'm going to go 50 tons.
1:46:28
I'm going to say 50 and a half.
1:46:31
And a half.
1:46:34
And one dollar, Bob.
1:46:35
One dollar.
1:46:36
So, so that's high.
1:46:37
That's very high.
1:46:38
Was it like 27?
1:46:40
You're getting closer.
1:46:41
So, my research indicates that with attachments, It weighs
1:46:45
41, 178 pounds, so 20 tons.
1:46:50
Take the attachment off, which, based on the photo, either it was never
1:46:53
on to begin with or it came off in the flipping, um, you drop two tons.
1:46:58
So, this person managed to flip 18 to 20 tons of metal in a field.
1:47:07
Presumably.
1:47:08
I can't tell where exactly he was.
1:47:10
I got one answer for this.
1:47:12
How?
1:47:14
How?
1:47:14
I got one answer.
1:47:15
One answer.
1:47:16
Aliens.
1:47:17
I mean, this reminded me of cars where they go tractor tipping.
1:47:21
You know?
1:47:23
I love the fact that he was driving the combine.
1:47:26
Because they revoked his driver's license from an earlier DUI.
1:47:30
I mean, Don't drink and drive people.
1:47:33
Maybe he ran over the attachment part with the tractor and then he flipped it over.
1:47:39
I mean, that's so, I mean, you're in the middle of a field.
1:47:41
What the hell?
1:47:42
He was pulling a grave digger.
1:47:44
Or he discovered a landmine left over from World War II.
1:47:48
The tractor looked pretty, or the combine looked pretty intact, so.
1:47:51
I'm just giving you, I'm giving you possibilities for an
1:47:55
unexplainable scenario here, okay?
1:47:58
Your alien scenario sounds the best so far.
1:48:01
Let's go a little further north and show that it's not just our friends.
1:48:05
Florida or North Dakota or Michigan.
1:48:07
You know, I'm disappointed by this next one because I, I, I, I tend to hold our
1:48:11
northern neighbors in pretty high regard.
1:48:13
There's some, there's some top notch folk that I've met coming
1:48:16
out of Canada, but such is life.
1:48:19
There's always one that ruins it for the rest of us.
1:48:22
And in this case, They're giving self driving cars a really bad rap.
1:48:26
So a Canadian driver of a Tesla was found asleep at the wheel
1:48:29
doing 150 kilometers an hour.
1:48:31
So for us, south of the border, that's more or less 90 miles an hour.
1:48:35
They were on a Canadian highway where most speed limits are 110
1:48:39
kilometers an hour or 70 miles an hour.
1:48:42
Obviously, This is incredibly reckless, and not at all how Tesla
1:48:47
Autopilot is intended to be used.
1:48:50
So, soapbox time.
1:48:51
Wake up, fools of the world.
1:48:53
Alright, this stuff isn't fully autonomous, okay?
1:48:56
You cannot go to sleep and not expect to rear end a slow moving
1:49:00
tractor trailer and die, okay?
1:49:02
Oh, brutal.
1:49:03
Off the soapbox.
1:49:04
So, the best part, the driver had the seat fully reclined.
1:49:09
And not just the driver!
1:49:11
But there was a passenger as well.
1:49:14
So there are two fools in this story.
1:49:16
Were the tray tables down also?
1:49:17
You need to be in your upright and locked position at all times.
1:49:21
And I have to say, I've got an argument or I've got an issue
1:49:24
with the self driving car part.
1:49:26
There's no such thing as a self driving car.
1:49:28
There are cars with self driving capabilities.
1:49:31
But there's no such thing as a self driving car.
1:49:34
No, and it irks me because it's really not even, it shouldn't
1:49:38
even be called self driving.
1:49:39
We should be calling it driver assistance.
1:49:40
Because until these things become fully autonomous, then
1:49:44
they will be self driving.
1:49:45
Now, there's a confusing part to the article, and I want
1:49:48
to see what you guys think.
1:49:49
So I'm going to read it verbatim, okay?
1:49:51
The car appeared to be self driving, traveling over 140 kilometers an hour.
1:49:57
With both front seats completely reclined, and both occupants appearing to be asleep.
1:50:02
After the police flashed their lights, the Tesla electric vehicle reportedly
1:50:06
sped up to exactly 150 kilometers an hour.
1:50:10
According to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
1:50:13
I really confused about why did it accelerate?
1:50:18
So it turned into a getaway car.
1:50:21
I have no idea.
1:50:23
Like I literally had to read that several times.
1:50:25
I don't understand why they even mentioned it, but maybe it is a self driving Tesla.
1:50:30
He wanted to get away.
1:50:32
So nonetheless, this driver was charged for speeding, given a 24 hour
1:50:36
license suspension for driving while fatigued and further was slapped
1:50:40
with dangerous driving charges for which they have to appear in court.
1:50:43
So all, uh, deserved fail in life.
1:50:46
So we talked earlier about off roaders.
1:50:48
We talked about the Bronco.
1:50:49
We talked about the Jeeps.
1:50:51
I talked a little bit about the new Range Rover Defender that's coming out.
1:50:54
But let's talk about off roading in general and something that you're not
1:50:58
supposed to do when you go off roading.
1:51:00
And one thing you're not supposed to do is drive down a hiking or bike trail.
1:51:04
And in California, one driver figured that out the hard way.
1:51:08
There's an article on The Drive about a California man that took his Jeep
1:51:12
Wrangler that looks fairly stocked.
1:51:14
You know, looking at it, it looks like he's got big tires and
1:51:16
that's, you know, pretty much it.
1:51:17
Not too much else going on here.
1:51:20
And he drove up a bike trail, uh, near Loma Linda on the, it
1:51:24
looks like the West Ridge Trail.
1:51:26
And there's a part of the trail where it gets super narrow, and on
1:51:29
either side of this, what looks to be like a maybe three or four foot
1:51:33
trail, it's just drop on either side.
1:51:36
And this guy got this car stuck, freaked the F out, and just rolled.
1:51:41
Now there's a jeep just parked on top of this bike trail, on top of
1:51:45
a mountain, and it's just there.
1:51:47
So there's talk, how are we going to get it out?
1:51:50
People have suggested use a helicopter, you know, and go in and lift it out.
1:51:54
That's really the only way.
1:51:55
Uh, they could get a couple other jeep people to drive illegally to get
1:51:58
to it and then try and haul it out.
1:52:00
Anything like that is probably going to upset the balance and it's probably going
1:52:03
to end up falling down and if any winch is attached It's probably going to end
1:52:07
up taking the recovery vehicle with it So if you're looking for a jeep and you're
1:52:12
up for a challenge Please go to Loma Linda to the West Ridge bike trail and
1:52:16
hiking trail and see if you can get one.
1:52:19
So speaking of cars falling off of things.
1:52:22
A Michigan man.
1:52:23
Oh god.
1:52:24
Back to the great state of Michigan.
1:52:26
A 26 year old Michigan man pulled what reporters called a dukes of hazard over
1:52:33
the Fort Street drawbridge in Detroit.
1:52:35
Reports say the bridge began to rise.
1:52:38
The man gunned it in his Dodge Sedan.
1:52:42
It's unclear how wide the opening was at this point, but he nonetheless
1:52:45
made it to the other side.
1:52:47
Quite what one may have seen in the Dukes of Hazzard show, the
1:52:51
man did not keep speeding away.
1:52:53
He blew out all four tires on landing and then smashed into the
1:52:57
safety gate on the other side.
1:52:58
Ha ha ha ha ha!
1:53:00
In his Dodge Stratus.
1:53:02
Was it or was his Stratus orange?
1:53:04
I was hoping there was more information on the car, but they
1:53:07
just left it at Dodge Sedan.
1:53:12
I mean, oh God.
1:53:13
Well, that's why he blew everything out.
1:53:15
He did it with the wrong car.
1:53:17
He needed a charger.
1:53:18
So last but not least.
1:53:20
We'll close out with a little bit of proof.
1:53:22
There's crazy people all over the world.
1:53:25
And this next one brings us across the pond to a London woman who fell
1:53:31
out of a car onto a busy highway while filming a Snapchat video.
1:53:36
I agree with the police.
1:53:38
It truly is lucky that she wasn't seriously injured or killed, or let
1:53:41
alone somebody else be traumatized by hitting her on the highway.
1:53:45
But think of the views.
1:53:47
But the best, the best part of the article.
1:53:50
And I assume this is in response to a Twitter post from the London police.
1:53:54
Quote, asked by a user, if officers explain the dangers of the attempts
1:53:59
to the woman, the police replied, every chance they worked it out
1:54:03
before we spoke to them about it.
1:54:05
This wasn't the first time this woman dangled out of a car on the
1:54:10
highway, trying to do Snapchat videos.
1:54:13
I mean, was it the first time she fell out?
1:54:18
Those are all on TikTok instead.
1:54:20
So you know, she was doing some stupid, you know, happy hands dance.
1:54:24
Like she's doing the flo, she's doing the floss like out the window of the car.
1:54:28
Kiki, do you love me?
1:54:30
Are you riding?
1:54:31
Let me fall out on the freeway.
1:54:36
Oh, that's good.
1:54:38
That's rich.
1:54:39
Wow.
1:54:39
I mean, we know no bounds when it comes to this sort of stuff.
1:54:44
Thank you to the world for, for giving us this.
1:54:47
Maybe she could have taken a ride on the front of a tractor trailer
1:54:49
like the guy from last month.
1:54:51
I mean, you know, it all comes full circle.
1:54:53
There's so many ways.
1:54:54
Next month, Combine tried to be taken across Detroit drawbridge.
1:54:59
The Combine was used to pull the Jeep off of the bike trail.
1:55:02
I don't know.
1:55:03
And in our final segment, the secret sauce, we cover very
1:55:07
quickly GTM specific news.
1:55:09
We got a lot of really great episodes to look forward to.
1:55:13
So we've got some interviews in there.
1:55:15
We've got industry partners coming in talking about safety.
1:55:17
We have a quiz slash game show that we did, and we're also going
1:55:20
to talk about Dirt track racing.
1:55:22
So I don't want to spoil all the surprises, but those are what you
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get to look forward to in October.
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And if you haven't checked out the September episodes,
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We have a late submission came after our last drive through episode.
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We're going to be posting a link to the recording of the Summer Bash 6 Karting
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Showdown, courtesy of Max Sonderby.
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It shows from the beginning of the race, most of the way through it
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before his GoPro batteries ran out.
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Some really good action in there, some really crazy stuff.
1:56:02
It's worth watching.
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We're going to post that link with the show notes.
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