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Monday Mini: What's Going On in Iran? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha STUFFE never told your
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  Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio, and today we wanted to take
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  Speaker 1: some time to talk about the things that are happening
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  Speaker 1: in Iran and the history and a brief history rather
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  Speaker 1: the women there have been making that have been making
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  Speaker 1: history for decades now in this fight for women's rights
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  Speaker 1: essentially um and from what I'm gathering in many of
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  Speaker 1: the articles that we've been reading, they have been a
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  Speaker 1: strong force, whether or not you want to believe that,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not you want to see like all of
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  Speaker 1: the back and forth that's happened in the past years,
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  Speaker 1: and as a reminder, especially for those of us in
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  Speaker 1: the Western area, specifically the US, we get a very
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  Speaker 1: whitewashed version of what is happening, and even on top
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  Speaker 1: of that, the Western Christian version of that. And if
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  Speaker 1: you if you know, you know when I say in
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  Speaker 1: those words, because as a person who grew up in
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  Speaker 1: the South, who grew up in a Christian home, and
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  Speaker 1: I when I say Christian, I mean extremely conservative Christian,
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  Speaker 1: you have this picture of what Iran and when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to UH, their beliefs are ideals and what's gone
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  Speaker 1: on in history for a long time what happens, what
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  Speaker 1: we see and versus what is actually happening. But when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to women's rights and fighting for equality, the
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  Speaker 1: women in Iran have been doing it for years, have
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  Speaker 1: been risking their lives and have always been there. So
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  Speaker 1: that's just something I think is really important that we
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  Speaker 1: make sure that we say out loud, um and not
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  Speaker 1: fall for the I guess lies essentially fabrications that we
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  Speaker 1: have as if we're in any superior stands, because obviously
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  Speaker 1: in the US we're really low on the chart of
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  Speaker 1: equal rights. That was just a rand to the side,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's important that we acknowledge that as well. Um. Also,
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  Speaker 1: this does need a content warning obviously, with the news
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  Speaker 1: that is coming out of Iran and all the things
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  Speaker 1: that are happening, the brutalities and the fightings and the
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  Speaker 1: conversations that has happened recently, it's a hard subject, um,
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  Speaker 1: but it's something that we can't ignore and we refuse
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  Speaker 1: to ignore and definitely want to acknowledge what is happening.
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  Speaker 1: So for a quick review. On September, Massa Amani, a
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  Speaker 1: twenty two year old Kurdish woman, who, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: is probably one of the most oppressed UH. Group of
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  Speaker 1: people in that area was detained by what is known
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  Speaker 1: as the morality Police or the Guidance Police also known
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  Speaker 1: as Gushti or shad Uh in Tehran, which is used
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  Speaker 1: in Iran to enforce the Islamic codes in public, including
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  Speaker 1: dress codes. Amini was arrested for allegedly inappropriate dress code
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  Speaker 1: UM for not correctly wearing her job. According to the regulations,
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  Speaker 1: all women quote above the age of puberty, which by
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  Speaker 1: the ways loosely interpreted, must wear a head covering and
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  Speaker 1: loose clothing in public, and according to reports, Ameni had
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  Speaker 1: been wearing a head covering but had shown some of
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  Speaker 1: her hair and for that she was arrested. UH. Many
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  Speaker 1: have discussed that when it comes to the interpretations of
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  Speaker 1: the law, because again it just kind of says it,
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  Speaker 1: and it's very loose in its wording. That interpretation has
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  Speaker 1: been left to the power of the people. They are
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  Speaker 1: those who are in power, giving them the power to
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  Speaker 1: interpret as they wish UM. And when Ameni was detained,
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  Speaker 1: she was taken to the station for a quote re
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  Speaker 1: education of the laws, but would later be taken to
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  Speaker 1: the hospital where she died. UH And according to the
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  Speaker 1: initial police reports or what they were told. What people
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  Speaker 1: were told her death was reported as heart failure, but
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  Speaker 1: there is evidence of severe police brutality and I have
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  Speaker 1: a feeling you may have seen some of the photos
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  Speaker 1: that was released. Her brother reportedly told people that the
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  Speaker 1: police were not forthcoming and providing information and was a
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  Speaker 1: least sketchy about what would happen when he saw her
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  Speaker 1: at the hospital. She was in a coma um and
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  Speaker 1: it seemed to go against the report that he was
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  Speaker 1: given by the police. Right. So, the death of Ameni
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  Speaker 1: was a catalyst for the protests happening in Iran today,
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  Speaker 1: but isn't new to the country, and alike many of
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  Speaker 1: the other protests, this has been spearheaded by a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the Iranian woman um some historical context for us
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  Speaker 1: to know, and yes, this is very very brief. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't until after the Islamic Revolution in nineteen seventy nine
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  Speaker 1: that women were required to wear his jobs in public,
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  Speaker 1: and the history of the revolution is a complicated look
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  Speaker 1: at the overall history of Iran. Initially, the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the protest and revolution was started to overthrow the rule
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  Speaker 1: of a repressive monarchy, which led to the placement of
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  Speaker 1: the Islamic Republic in April nineteen seventy nine. The revolution
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  Speaker 1: was violent and massive and involved many people from different
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  Speaker 1: backgrounds and social groups, tired of the cruelty of the
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  Speaker 1: monarch at the time. Soon after, the new regime placed
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  Speaker 1: conservative slash religious rulings and laws throughout the lands, limiting
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  Speaker 1: the freedoms and rights of many and especially women right So,
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, the Green Movement occurred, where thousands
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  Speaker 1: of protesters came out in response to voting issues and
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  Speaker 1: voting fraud. Many people were killed and injured throughout the protests,
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  Speaker 1: but it did open doors for a conversation about more
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  Speaker 1: moderate leadership later down the road, so it didn't happen
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  Speaker 1: at that point. In twenty sixteen, women organized to use
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  Speaker 1: their votes to seek and gain more seats within the government.
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  Speaker 1: They organized by using social media and releasing videos country
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  Speaker 1: wide encouraging women to run for seats with the quote
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  Speaker 1: campaign for women to win one hundred seats And don't
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  Speaker 1: know if that happened with one states, but they did
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  Speaker 1: increase by thirty. Many women from the two thousand nine
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  Speaker 1: Green Movement who left iran Uh went out all across
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  Speaker 1: the world because of the fear because they were a leadership,
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  Speaker 1: and of course the government wasn't wasn't so happy about that,
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  Speaker 1: but they continued to campaign and advocate for the rights
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  Speaker 1: of women within uh Iran out even though they weren't
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  Speaker 1: there during this time, and with the organizing and continued fighting,
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  Speaker 1: they were able to obtain a less restrictive leadership under
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  Speaker 1: the president at the time, Hassan Rohani. The law still
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  Speaker 1: were in place, but it was less restrictive and less enforced.
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  Speaker 1: But the last year, after the ultra conservative Ibraham Rahisi
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  Speaker 1: was declared president, the conservative laws have tightened, including the
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  Speaker 1: forceful use of the Guidance Police for strict enforcements of
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  Speaker 1: a job laws and other dress code violations. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's contingent in the fact that he was elected. Many
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  Speaker 1: feel that this was voter fraud, essentially that they they
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  Speaker 1: cheated his way in and pushed his way into the
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  Speaker 1: presidency at that time, and though many Iranians, both conservative
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  Speaker 1: and more moderate, voice concerns over the strict enforcement, the
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  Speaker 1: current president has not changed his stance, but has in
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  Speaker 1: fact Lendon More stating that the unrust and dissatisfaction in
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  Speaker 1: the role was due to quote, foreign interference which brings
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  Speaker 1: us back to today. Um though Massa I mean He's
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  Speaker 1: death was the final straw to the protests and revolting
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  Speaker 1: in Iran. Many stories have been told of women being
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  Speaker 1: objected and taken for re education and returning beaten, bruised
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  Speaker 1: and traumatized by the police. And though the police and
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  Speaker 1: government did try to hide the murder, a reporter neither
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  Speaker 1: far Hamade, a female journal is published the incident in
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  Speaker 1: the Iranian Daily, and according to her colleagues, she has
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  Speaker 1: been arrested and is currently in solitary confinement in prison
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  Speaker 1: as of septembery. Right, so she dies she was brave
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  Speaker 1: enough to tell this story. But we don't know what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously there's been others arrested for that same thing,
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  Speaker 1: uh arrested for inciting revolts and lies and spreading lies
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  Speaker 1: about the government. So there's a lot of uncertainty about
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  Speaker 1: what is happening. And then since then, women in Iran
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  Speaker 1: all of the world have been taking off their scarves
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  Speaker 1: and coverings and even cutting their hair and protests and solidarity.
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  Speaker 1: The first night of the protests, our fifty women locked
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  Speaker 1: arms together blocking an intersection, calling others to join them,
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  Speaker 1: and they did, and many men even joined to the
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  Speaker 1: point they actually built a bonfire that night so that
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  Speaker 1: the women could throw their scars or their hit jobs
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  Speaker 1: into the fire as a way of protesting UM and
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  Speaker 1: the protests has spread worldwide and have spread all over
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  Speaker 1: over at least thready one provinces in Iran as well,
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  Speaker 1: and according to one report, the focuses on the current
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  Speaker 1: protests are too specific demands dignity and freedom, with the
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  Speaker 1: slogan women life, Freedom and that's been plastered everywhere, which
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  Speaker 1: is amazing. The fight has cost many of their lives. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Forceful tactics have been used by the government, including drone
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  Speaker 1: attacks and crowded areas like schools and areas that are
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  Speaker 1: seen as where the opposition maybe in the eyes of
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  Speaker 1: the government. And the death toll is rising, though the
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  Speaker 1: numbers are not clear but UM range from forty deaths
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  Speaker 1: UM that's the estimate, and hundreds more injured right now.
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  Speaker 1: Internet access across the country has been spotting at best,
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  Speaker 1: and many aren't able to get their stories out as
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  Speaker 1: to what is happening right as. In fact, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we in the in the United States. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: come to us till a week later, I believe, uh,
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  Speaker 1: from what was happening and why it was happening. Of course, again,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't until that the reporter how Mandy h told
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  Speaker 1: about the incident that many didn't know was exactly what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. UM. Of course, again, this is not a
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  Speaker 1: new incident. In sev another woman who actually publicly took
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  Speaker 1: off our hig job was persecuted as well, and that
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  Speaker 1: that started a small protest. But this is really igniting
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  Speaker 1: some conversations and getting worldwide attention UM. And though we
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  Speaker 1: are limited in helping out during this time, one common
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  Speaker 1: request is that we continue to talk about what is
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  Speaker 1: happening there and to continue to speak out loudly about
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  Speaker 1: the injustices the women are suffering. So what are some
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  Speaker 1: things to do to help well. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: that they've again requested is that we do reshare videos
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  Speaker 1: that are being spread. It's not a lot of information
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  Speaker 1: that's coming out of Iran again because of the lack
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  Speaker 1: of internet access UM, and that's the government is responsible
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  Speaker 1: for this and turning things off. Uh. They're definitely being
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  Speaker 1: watched constantly and under threat constantly, so not a lot
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  Speaker 1: has been shared, but that if we do understand what's happening,
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  Speaker 1: to repost it, re share it, and talk about it
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  Speaker 1: more and more, make sure the truth is getting out.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing a conversation has happened is that the US
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  Speaker 1: has placed a lot of sanctions in Iran in protests,
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  Speaker 1: but honestly, it only hurts lower economic society and we
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  Speaker 1: know that as a whole that the rich only keep
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  Speaker 1: getting richer and they're fine. Um, maybe have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: without congressman or a representative about what they're doing, as
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  Speaker 1: in assisting without sending soldier or without sending military, because
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  Speaker 1: that is not something that they need. We know. One
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  Speaker 1: of the problems that has happened is that the US
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  Speaker 1: has interfered when they shouldn't and sometimes interfewed when they should.
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  Speaker 1: But right now they are this is not something that
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  Speaker 1: they have requested. From what we understand, they're not asking
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  Speaker 1: the U, s IS and military. That is not a
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  Speaker 1: solution because obviously when they do, if it does help,
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  Speaker 1: when they leave, it puts them back into square one,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not at all a solution. Um. But that
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  Speaker 1: may be a conversation about sanctions, about assisting monetarily or
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  Speaker 1: at least understanding that yes, they are fighting without any supplies.
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  Speaker 1: Um f y I. If someone is trying to raise
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  Speaker 1: money for Iran, that's not a thing. They can't get
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  Speaker 1: money from us because of those sanctions that we talked about.
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  Speaker 1: So don't believe and don't donate to anything that that's
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  Speaker 1: not that doesn't exist at this point in time. And
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  Speaker 1: then also another thing to remind ourselves and everybody when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to things like religious freedoms and jobs, if
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  Speaker 1: they choose, like just understanding that it should be a
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  Speaker 1: choice point blank, whether it is to wear one or
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  Speaker 1: what it isn't to wear one, and it has nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with us, especially if it's not our religion
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  Speaker 1: or our culture, has nothing to do with us but
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  Speaker 1: us to respect other people's choices point blank. And that
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  Speaker 1: if a woman who is who that is a part
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  Speaker 1: of their culture, if they feel safe and more comfortable
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  Speaker 1: wearing it, then we we should respect it and move on.
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  Speaker 1: But if it's something that they think is oppressive and
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to do that, we should also respect
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  Speaker 1: that and move on or at least stand up for
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  Speaker 1: what they believe is safe and comfortable for them. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a big conversation that gets left out
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about UM at Leastern controversies or conflicts,
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  Speaker 1: is that we are not listening when they say this
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  Speaker 1: is what they want or why or how they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go about instead of just taking on this usually
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  Speaker 1: mistaken UH story and narrative that wasn't ours to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the big conversation we need to
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  Speaker 1: have for us at Seminty in any tel me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm speaking out of turn, we want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that we sit back and listen before we talk. And
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  Speaker 1: that is something that's always been important to us that
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to talking about things worldwide, that we
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  Speaker 1: were respecting the people, the women, the non binary of
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  Speaker 1: people out there that that is affecting them, that we
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  Speaker 1: are listening to what they need and that we're meeting
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  Speaker 1: them where they're at and making sure that we're not
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  Speaker 1: over speaking or speaking for them at all. So that's why,
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  Speaker 1: if you're wondering it took us this long to even
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  Speaker 1: talk about it, as we are pretty pretty current, I
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  Speaker 1: will say, right, but we think it's so important that
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  Speaker 1: we sit back and listen before trying to charge ahead
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  Speaker 1: with our own passions. Yes, yes, yes, Chess, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that's really really important. So yeah, just keeping those
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  Speaker 1: things in mind is very important and as always, we
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  Speaker 1: value so much when we hear from listeners who are
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  Speaker 1: in these areas that we're talking about, who have more experience,
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  Speaker 1: who we can listen to and uplift and then be
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  Speaker 1: able to share uh, your stories and your resources, So
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  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for that. And if there is
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  Speaker 1: anyone um in Iran who knows about this, who has resources, uh,
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