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Mat Staver LC Escambia School Board Decision · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Good to have you back with us this morning on
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  Speaker 1: the morning show. It's Monday, October thirteenth, and thrilled back
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  Speaker 1: on the program. Friend of the show for many years now,
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  Speaker 1: Senior pastor, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel LC dot org.
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  Speaker 1: He is Matt Staver. Matt, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Very good, good to be with you today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, some good news. I want to talk specifically for
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  Speaker 1: just a few moments about the federal judge ruling in
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  Speaker 1: Florida's Scambia County school Board that it can in fact
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  Speaker 1: deal with questionable books in its libraries.
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  Speaker 2: Explain the case, Dad, This is a good decision by
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  Speaker 2: a federal judge regarding the a Scambia County school Board.
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  Speaker 2: They removed a book called End Tango, Make Three, which
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  Speaker 2: follows two male penguins who adopt Patch and then raised Tango,
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  Speaker 2: which is a penguin chick at New York City Central
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  Speaker 2: Park Zoo. And this was actually promoting same sex marriage.
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  Speaker 2: School board decided that this was inappropriate for the young readers,
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  Speaker 2: and they removed it. They were then sued in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three by the co authors and a female student
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  Speaker 2: wanting to borrow the book from her school library. The
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  Speaker 2: judge Alan Windsor rejected their First Amendment argument. Actually, he
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  Speaker 2: cited our case that I argued in one nine to
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  Speaker 2: zero at the US Supreme Court, the Shirtlift versus City
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  Speaker 2: of Boston case, and he goes through the criteria for
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  Speaker 2: what requires what requirements there would be to get a
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  Speaker 2: public form. In other words, did the library open up
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  Speaker 2: its facility as a public form for people to bring
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  Speaker 2: library books and therefore excluding a book or removing a book?
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  Speaker 2: Is that viewpoint discrimination in the First Amendment? And the
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  Speaker 2: judge said, no, it doesn't meet that criteria. The libraries
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  Speaker 2: must have discretion to be able to purchase books, and
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  Speaker 2: they have discretion and control over what books they retain
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  Speaker 2: and what books that they remove. This is not a
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  Speaker 2: public form where any author or individual can force a
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  Speaker 2: library to either accept a book or retain a book
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  Speaker 2: that they don't want to have on the shelf. So
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  Speaker 2: this is a good decision in one certainly that makes
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  Speaker 2: common sense. It protects children.
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  Speaker 1: However, we also recognize that we are we are fighting
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  Speaker 1: an adversary in Satan that is just not going to
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  Speaker 1: fold up and go away. This is an ongoing battle. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: talk to me, about the challenge. Okay, we've got this
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  Speaker 1: court ruling, it's a win, but we know that this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be fought in other ways, in other
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  Speaker 1: venues and with other judges ruling differently.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and here's this thing. There are cases previous to
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  Speaker 2: the shirt lifd case that I argued in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: two and one nine to zero that go the opposite way.
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  Speaker 2: So another word, when a library chooses to remove an
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  Speaker 2: objectionable bulk book like this because it's inappropriate for young
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  Speaker 2: people have been sued and the judges have gone the
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  Speaker 2: other way. I think the tide will turn as a
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  Speaker 2: result of the shirt Lived case. However, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: what you have is the vast majority of libraries, particularly
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  Speaker 2: public libraries, whether they're school K twelve or outside, are
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  Speaker 2: different than a Scambia. Scambia is making good decisions to
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  Speaker 2: remove books that should not be on the shelves. But
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  Speaker 2: what we find in most libraries it's the opposite. So
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  Speaker 2: they are excluding religious or Christian books or books from
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  Speaker 2: a conservative standpoint, or they put them in places where
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  Speaker 2: they're hard to find, and they're purchasing with tax dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Pro LGBTQ books and abortion books, and they're prominently displaying
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  Speaker 2: them so that they're very easy to find. That's primarily
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  Speaker 2: what's happening in a lot of these school situations as
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  Speaker 2: well as public library cases. So we really see the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: What do you do with that? Well, if a court
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  Speaker 2: can't force them to accept a particular book, then what
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  Speaker 2: happens is you need to be involved in the political process.
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  Speaker 2: So you need to go visit your libraries, whether they're
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  Speaker 2: K through twelve or public libraries for the general public,
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  Speaker 2: and find out what kind of books they have on
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  Speaker 2: the shelves, and then bring this up for political pressure.
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  Speaker 2: And what we're seeing is this is happening all over
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  Speaker 2: the country where the political pressure is taking place. Parents,
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  Speaker 2: people in the community are going to these different deliberative bodies, county, city,
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  Speaker 2: deliberative elected officials, and they are protesting and bringing up
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  Speaker 2: these issues in some way, even taking it, believe it
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  Speaker 2: or not, to extreme levels. To illustrate the point, even
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  Speaker 2: reading verbat in some of the trash that's in these
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  Speaker 2: libraries that's quite offensive and is shocking to the people
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  Speaker 2: that are sitting on the board making these decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Forty two minutes past the hour, a few more minutes
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  Speaker 1: here with under of Liberty Council Matt Staver. Matt, when
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  Speaker 1: you look at some of the rulings coming out of
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  Speaker 1: the High Court and you look at some of the
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  Speaker 1: cases it's accepting or not accepting, kind of give me
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  Speaker 1: your overview, your sense of where we are at the
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  Speaker 1: High Court right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at the High Court, I think we're in a
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  Speaker 2: good trajectory. They're not making all the right decisions that
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  Speaker 2: I would agree with, but by and large, the trajectory
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  Speaker 2: is correct and they're correcting some of the problems that
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing in the lower courts. What we're seeing in
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  Speaker 2: the lower courts is absolute rebellion, ideological decisions that are
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  Speaker 2: being put in place that are not following law, particularly
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  Speaker 2: as it relates to President Donald Trump's actions, and we
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  Speaker 2: see those overreaching time after time at the time. But
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  Speaker 2: then you have more activity of the president at the
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  Speaker 2: United States Supreme Court than any other president in American history,
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  Speaker 2: and the success rate and when ratio at the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court is phenomenal. So some of that is being corrected.
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  Speaker 2: I think that'll have long term consequence. Is in a
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  Speaker 2: good way. We do have a number of cases that
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  Speaker 2: are at the Supreme Court that I think are very positive.
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  Speaker 2: One was just arguing last week. That's the Change Council case.
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  Speaker 2: We've been litigating that since twenty twelve, and I think
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  Speaker 2: we're going to have a six to three or seven
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  Speaker 2: to two victory on that particular case, striking down these
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  Speaker 2: laws that ban counsel to people who want to overcome
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  Speaker 2: unwanted same sex attractions, behaviors or gender confusion. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that's a good decision. We've got a case that
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  Speaker 2: i'll be we'll be hearing from at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the month or early November, and that's the Kim Davis case.
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  Speaker 2: In that case could be one that would that's challenging
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  Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen of bergerfel same sex marriage opinion. Plus
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  Speaker 2: it's also a big, huge religious free exercise case, So
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on that one. That'll be a huge
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  Speaker 2: one if they accept the case. But I think generally
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  Speaker 2: at the High Court it's going in the direction that
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  Speaker 2: it should. It's correcting some of the errors of the
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  Speaker 2: past decades of the activist judges. But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: and you had a lot of judges that were put
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  Speaker 2: in place by Biden and Obama and those by the way.
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  Speaker 2: They're not rule of law type of generally people. They're
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  Speaker 2: ideologically driven, the results oriented, and we see that a
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  Speaker 2: lot in some of them recent litigation. It's frustrating to see,
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  Speaker 2: but I think at the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 2: being corrected when it's.
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  Speaker 1: All said and done. Though, if a district judge, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for example, the Supreme Court says district judge cannot go
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  Speaker 1: beyond their district, but they keep doing these nationwide injunctions
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  Speaker 1: and they're not following the directives of the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: What's the remedy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the remedy is appeachment. But you know, we've never
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  Speaker 2: had an impeachment that's been successful recently. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: last one was alse Hastens down in Miami and he
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  Speaker 2: was impeached for accepting it bride, but then he became
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  Speaker 2: a US member of Congress and the Democratic Party. He's
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  Speaker 2: deceased now, so it's not been a real effective means.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The other possibility is just continually, you know, the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court recurrerecting the record and forcing them to obey. And
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  Speaker 2: the other is other kinds of discipline that might be.
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  Speaker 2: You know, judges are also should be abiding by their
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  Speaker 2: judicial codes or canons of ethics, and if they don't,
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  Speaker 2: they could be you know, challenged that way as well.
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  Speaker 2: I know in the litigation regarding church lockdowns, we had
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  Speaker 2: a case where it went to the Supreme Court. We
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  Speaker 2: won five to four. In December of twenty twenty, we
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  Speaker 2: went back down to the District Court and Obama appointee
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  Speaker 2: ruled against us again. We had to go back to
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court a second time, this time one six
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  Speaker 2: to three. But that's the kind of thing that we're
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  Speaker 2: dealing with. And the problem that we have is even
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  Speaker 2: though the Supreme Court is correcting a lot of these
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  Speaker 2: cases with regards to President Trump, most cases are not
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  Speaker 2: taken up by the Supreme Court. So that means a
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  Speaker 2: lot of damage can be done by these lower court
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  Speaker 2: justices or judges. I should say that the justices will
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  Speaker 2: never see and never be able to correct.
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  Speaker 1: Matt. As always, we appreciate all the work you and
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  Speaker 1: your team are doing. Thanks so very much.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Preston. Always good to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Sir, Matt Staver with us from Liberty Council. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: if you want a place to direct a few dollars
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  Speaker 1: for a good cause, they take on cases that go
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  Speaker 1: before the United States Supreme Court. Matt will never brag
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  Speaker 1: about it, but his record before the United States Supreme
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  Speaker 1: Court is incredible, absolutely incredible, because he's got God on
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  Speaker 1: his side and oh, by the way, he's smart and
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  Speaker 1: he's right