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S6E19: OpenClaw Emergency Podcast: My New AI Assistant Just Took Over (This Changes Everything) · The Investor Shed Podcast

• Nick & Jeremy: here. We're live. Are we? Yes, we are live streaming now. Welcome back to the Investor Shed podcast, everybody. I'm Nick Beverage, your host here with the co-host, Jeremy Dwellen, kitchen. That's right. Full social, ⁓ type, and full name on the podcast. If anybody wants it, it's in the link below, by the way. You guys, if you're watching the video podcast, you might be noticing something a little bit different. We're at my office. And we're at my office because this is an emergency podcast. This is Nick called an emergency. He called me this morning at like seven and he's like, this is an emergency. ⁓ It's an emergency. Now I know there's a brand new war going on, but that's not what this is about. This is more important than the Iran war. Yeah, we're we got our own stuff. We'll in and out of Iran soon. Who knows? Maybe not. It's an industrial revolution anyway, but go ahead. I mean, we love our wars. We do. Yeah, it's the most profitable times, our war times. Yeah, but this has nothing to do with that. This is a war against jobs and AI. Jeremy, got to admit, okay, last week I watched a podcast. I follow this Dumb Money podcast where they talk about stock trading a lot. And there's this guy I really like that was on the... So I listen to that a lot. This guy, Chris, he was on the iced coffee hour. ⁓ And the first half, he was talking about how he hadn't slept in two weeks because he's just going balls deep in the research on this crazy new phenomenon ⁓ where people are now ⁓ buying Mac minis, ⁓ the technical people out there that want to adopt AI. And they're locally running their own AIs. locally on a hardware ⁓ through these ⁓ Mac minis. And ⁓ it is an agent. It is no longer just a tool that, like a chat bot, where you have to do the action after you kind of get content or ideas or something like that. And then you go copy and paste or you manipulate things and you're still working with AI. It's like a huge, helpful tool. ⁓ But now... It's gotten to a point where I knew it was eventually going to come here. I just didn't know come this quickly. I was talking the other day about AI. We are at that hockey stick apex of what AI can do. It's insane. about to shoot up into the stratosphere, basically. I think you're wrong on that. I think we already did. Well, yeah. But you saying it's not here, I'm telling you it is. We're cusping. We kept talking about how cool... For last three years, I felt like... There's this big AI wake up like, holy shit, this is some really good stuff. Right now it's kind of like, what are the use cases other than copying and pasting AI smelling language? But it's incredibly useful. Just not quite at the point where it still requires action. Yeah, you can't actually physically make it do the thing until... Until now there are new models of AI out there now that I wasn't even aware of until a week ago. ⁓ I knew they were working on him, but I didn't know it was out there and available Yeah for almost a little over a month now. Okay, the big hot one is called open claw open claw and And this is why Chris couldn't sleep for the last couple weeks And then this is why since I started working with it and I got mine Mac I bought a new Mac mini Okay, and I got mine up and running on Thursday night, and I haven't thought about anything else sense. Everything that I have. family? Are they alive? Or? I have bills I haven't paid. I can pay them. I have money, but I have behind bills sitting on my desk because I can't sleep. I can't think of anything else other than communicating with my new bot. Yeah. Okay. About fixing all my business issues and expanding and also starting new ventures, of course. It's like a second entrepreneur brain for you. The dopamine is way up here. Okay, wow. I have not been this excited for anything. Okay such a long time. was like this is This is like ⁓ like when you get a brand new Grand Theft Auto. Yeah, you know for those who play Grand Theft Auto know like yeah, that's that's gonna consume your world, right? If you're into that kind of stuff, but this is just way different. Yeah This is this is it this is insane so And I know I'm just skimming the surface. I need juice, by the way, but this is the context. And you have big updates too in your business. You've been implementing new AI tools. Little bit different, but huge. But I think it's all going to lead towards the same paths of having somebody available or something available to help with the task. Not just teach you how to do them, but to actually physically help with them. Yes. And it's not just helping, but doing things. And this is the big. topic of today's podcast. AI has went from creating kind of ideas for you and you know, you give it prompts and it gives you ideas to go out and accomplish and tackle. And automation, basically. automation. And of course, there's like, you know, photo editing tools and that kind of stuff, video editing tools. Still requires the human to do everything. But this is different. This is just so different. I now have, I gave birth to a guy named Kyle. Congratulations on your baby Kyle. Kyle is my new AI assistant that I invented locally on my computer. Now I'm using, I don't know what you would actually call it if it's like a, and this is, I've only been working on this for like four straight days. Yeah. Okay. So this is, this is going to be a baby steps, but how much it's already done for me is mind blowing. Yeah. So So what I say, like I have a new guy named Kyle, I, so I gave him a name and stuff. But I, he's on a new Mac mini, which we did in this office so I can show it off, I guess it's pointless. It's just a, it's a little box computer. it's a little, it's a little computer. think of a tiny desktop computer with, you know, it doesn't have like the video card or anything like that. It's made for realistically like entry level video editing software emails. It's got a very powerful M4 chip. Sure. Yeah. ⁓ And the great thing about them is that they use very little power and they can always be on and running. Okay. So this is why people are using Mac minis. You don't have to though. Okay. You could run this program open claw online. You can run it on old computers, Linux, Windows, whatever. The reason why people are using Mac minis is because it's just an always on, very secure, runs fast. Sure. And it's cheap. Yeah, it gets the job done basically. You can buy the cheapest Mac mini. Available are they still $600 okay 600 bucks and they are sold out everywhere really I was not on Apple yet, okay, but you you try to go to Costco They're gone you try anywhere on the East Coast or the West Coast They're gone people are buying up Mac minis like crazy for this specific. Yes. Okay. Wow. Yeah I got now I got one last week on Apple's website ⁓ and it got delivered the very next day. ⁓ website is still a good one for that. So OpenClaw, it's complicated though. ⁓ Now if you're a little bit tech savvy and you have the ability to ⁓ go to like GROK or ChatGBT or something and ask it to walk you through setting it up. That's probably the best way to do it. Because you're actually coding it into this computer in the backdoor terminal. Have you ever used the terminal? Very rarely. I try not to mess with my internal settings. it's coding. Yeah, it's coding. I don't know any of it, I try to leave it. I don't really know coding either. do the thing I need them to do out of the box for the most part. I took a coding class in high school and I forgot all about it. JavaScript or something like that. I don't even know what it was. was HTML coding and I passed with an A and I don't remember a damn thing about it. the world is totally different from 20 years ago when we graduated. Then like you doing a new thing is probably okay too. But you don't need to know how to code. You just need to know how to ask the right questions. You need to know how to ask prompts basically. ⁓ Anyway, so I got the Mac mini. I set this guy up. with his own accounts. Now this is important. Don't give it access because it can be very dangerous. It can be a rogue machine that does stuff automatically for you. Okay. Wow. Okay. there, can spend your money. Wow. All those things. And yes, I gave it a credit card. Yes, it has a bank account. Wow. But it's got its own Apple account. Okay, its own Gmail account. it's its own person essentially, right? Its own user using the It's its own basically entity. Got it. Living not online. It's living on my Mac Mini. Gross, okay. ⁓ So that's what makes it a little bit safer. Sounds like a disease. ⁓ I mean, so that's why. ⁓ By the way, anything that's like, and I know you say it's living like, so it's less hackable. It's less hackable, but like you are connected online to ⁓ a chat that connects to other AI bots. You say you're local. I really doubt you're as local as you think. If you have Internet access and you're broadcasting a signal, you're not local. Well, that's why I'm saying this is very dangerous. Sure. It can be if you're clumsy about it. So when you're with it, so we communicated on just an encrypted service. I use Telegram right now. ⁓ I also had it set up iMessage. can communicate through iMessage. Cool. ⁓ Because if it's got an Apple account, all of a sudden, it can send you messages through iMessage. That's also a nice end-to-end encrypted service. ⁓ But all the important thing, the API keys and everything that it collects that from you, it's important when you give it that data, to give it that data, you don't want to just send it through email or something like that, because your emails can get hacked. And then all of a sudden, then everything in your life can get compromised. So when you're sending it this login information, you've got to be careful about how you send it. important things to do is just follow guides online of how to. protect yourself. It also automatically runs security checks on itself every 24 hours at night, just to make sure that it's not being exposed to anything. Which again, if you are compromised, you wouldn't know because the security would be like, implement this code to make it seem like everything's okay. Just because it says it's okay, be cautious people. Maybe. I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong, but when systems communicate and you are on an active channel for internet. This is a very new thing. Yeah. But you gotta do what you can to lock the door. can still break in the windows. If that makes sense. 100%. Everything's still hackable, I just try to do it in a realistic manner. What's at risk? What am I putting at risk? Right now what I'm putting at risk is just one credit card. ⁓ a bank account with nothing in it. The bank account I gave him is a sub account from one of my Nica States LLC that he's a manager of now. ⁓ But it's only on the business account. have a Kyle Reese. I'll set that up. Yeah. Okay. So I'm still working on all that, but that's only for depositing money that he makes. Okay. And then if he needs to spend money, he's got American Express. ⁓ If there's fraud, you call American Express, they take care of it. Yeah. Ideally, if not, you're risking a certain amount of up to 15 grand or whatever limit you have. So you gotta be cautious about what you're doing, but how much exposure is at risk? Now, right now, Kyle doesn't have access to my emails. He doesn't have access to my personal Google account. ⁓ So he doesn't have access to that stuff yet ⁓ until I make sure. that I do it in a way where things are a little bit more secure. Sure. So this is a little bit of back-end setup to set up this whatever this is, I'm assuming, correct? have to really do your own due diligence, make sure that you're feeding it the correct information and giving it really specific prompts to allow it to not intervene with other softwares, if that's what you're saying. Yeah. OK, cool. So. Sounds very dangerous. Yes. And I realize people still probably don't even know what I'm talking about. So let's go back a few steps and talk about what OpenClaw is. ⁓ So it's again, it's an open source. So ⁓ it's not any one company that is owning it and running it. It's a free service. Got it. ⁓ So it's open source and it's a platform for customizing your agent and it builds long term. context about you and your ⁓ business or whatever you want to implement it in. that's the huge advantage is like it's storing all its memory on your computer instead of like a chatbot like chatgbt or something. If you ever notice, if you have like a long conversation with chatgbt, eventually it will start loosening and not even know what you're talking about anymore. little bit. Because it loses all that context. Right. ⁓ It just doesn't save that in its memory that easy. I try not to do like super long chat GBD prompts. like I'll take a thing. I'm like, hey, remember we talked about this. Let's dive into this piece. I'm pretty decent with my prompts, but you learn that as a user. just it's not perfect, but like you got to really focus it in a direction you want it to go sometimes. So you can set this thing up or you can have itself. Once it's open and once once you start chatting with it, you can have it then start downloading everything that it needs to have a soul and a memory and. set up certain functions. I remember right when I started using it, it had me, you know, get connected with Telegram to, you know, get off the chatting on the backend coding to now let's talk through Telegram, which is so much easier. It's like a free service, but it's encrypted. And then I noticed online so many people, would just, instead of constantly texting, they would just hold the button down and talk about what they wanted and let go and send that. And I did that and it said, yeah, I don't have any transcribers yet, but let me download, I'll download one on whisper. And it just took like a few seconds. And then it's like, okay, now I can understand. Now you can continue to send me. Send me whatever you want in this format. Whatever it doesn't have, it just like goes and gets it. It just goes and gets it. Okay. Also scary. Yeah. And so one of the first things I wanted it to do was like, okay, go now that you, I gave you a name. You're Kyle Reese. Kyle Reese. For any Terminator fans out there, this is perfect chat name for But I made it clear. I want you to eventually be my assistant. I don't want other people to know that you're AI unless they ask you directly to comply with Idaho law. Yeah. But you don't have to say that initially. Right. So he understood that and put it in his core instructions. His CPU is a neural net processor, a learning computer. But I said, go out there and get what you need. When it comes to I you know be my assistant you're gonna need a phone number You're gonna need a voice. Yeah, I'd like you to have an Irish accent, you know a slight Irish accent nothing heavy. Yeah But just so you sound less than not like a robot. Yeah and then give me a call and it went out there and it found the right websites used but it still needed my input so so it wasn't as flawless I said this is why I spent days on it because it has to go out there and find the service that it wants to use, but then it needs my help to authenticate things and to program it in. ⁓ And to get the right API keys. Almost every service that's used it, wants API keys. So that's like the backend of a website for coding to speak together. Speak with one another. ⁓ So yeah, that's not it so far. I've done a lot with it. ⁓ Let's take a break from OpenCon. Let's talk about your business and what you've Because you've done something really exciting in just last week. Yeah. Really stepped up your game. It's gotten way easier. So tell us about it. So stepping up my game, think I'm stepping across and I'm going up like a little bit. AI is crazy, as you know, and you're learning new things, I'm learning new things, but really what I've done is I've implemented new AI in my photo editing right now. Video editing is in the works. I'm working out the kinks of that. But realistically, like, I can have AI edit my photos in... like one tenth of the time for one half the cost right now. One half the cost? Yeah. Normally I was paying a dollar a photo. Yep. The service I'm using right now is 45 cents a photo. Nice. I had to put an initial investment of 2600 bucks into the machine. Oh wow. So I could get 6000 credits. Okay. So like I got like otherwise it would have been like 53 cents. Okay. So this will last you how long will this last you think? Maybe six months. Maybe. Okay. That's incredible. Yeah. That's great. I'm not going to do it for every photo but like the cool thing about it is you you upload the photos and it will edit the photos for free. And I'm not even kidding, will edit your photos for free. So what I do is I upload them to this AI server right away as I'm uploading them to my Google Drive. And then like 10 minutes later I get an email that says, your photos are ready. Okay. So I look at them while they're still uploading to Google Drive because for some reason this AI service I'm using is hella fast to just upload and be like, it. Google Drive is just slow as shit, also it's probably because they got a- compressing the files? Nope. Nothing's getting compressed. It's a full, full files. It's got fiber. It's just faster upload basically. They've got whatever they have is fantastic. Anyway, it's like a 10 minute sequence where like I'm still uploading to Google Drive. I get an email from- my auto HDR, it's what it's called, and they say your photo's ready. I go check out the photos. If they're good, I download them. I only pay when I download, right? So again, it edits them for free. It allows me to basically check this thing, like, are these good enough to pass off? Gotcha. So you get to do all the working for free and then once you have the product you want, then you just pay for the product. Yep. Got it. Yeah. So it's pretty cool. Like I super cheap. Super cheap. And like I said, the coolest thing is it allows me to take 10 minutes and just be like, is this passable? Is this what I want? Is this up to my satisfactory code? Yes, we're going. Yeah. If it's sometimes it's not great on a couple things, but it is great on most things. For those that don't know, Jeremy does real estate photography. And the editing process, when we first started six years ago, seven years ago, ⁓ it was, let's see, it took you about an hour to shoot a house maybe. But what, three to four hours to edit the photos? Yeah, the editing was incredibly tedious. Incredibly tedious. But now this is the easiest part. ⁓ We used to have another employee to edit photos. So what does it cost now for an average shoot for the edited photos? I don't know, because again, I just batch paid in advance. Yeah, so I mean, it's 45 cents a photo. So hypothetically, if you do 20 to 25 photos, you're talking about 13 to 14 bucks per photo session with outside photos. Gotcha. And they're perfect and ready in 10 minutes. They are better, if not on par to what the virtual editors will do in 12 to 24 hours. And then you were talking to me about, you know, so before, to get photos back, which was very quick. Yeah. You have an appointment, you get your photos, and then you have them back the next day, right? But now you can have them back before you even get in your car. We're working on that still, but yes. So what I'm trying to To go to the next appointment? Yeah, pretty nuts, man. So I'm gonna buy an iPad with a cellular service device, and this won't work if I'm off grid or in weird places, of course. Unless you bring a Starlink with you. Right. Which I could possibly do. Yeah, you could just get a Starlink and just get an iPad without. That way it works anywhere without cellular. That's true. Thank you. We'll talk about that later. That's good idea. Anyway, upload them directly to my iPad, upload them from my iPad into the auto HDR. By the time I drive to my next shoot, I can realistically look at the photos and be like, all right, this is good. I don't need to worry about those tonight. Or if it's not good, they're already uploaded anyway, and then I just send them off. Yeah. And last week you shot one of our kind of luxury type listings that we just staged. you tried this out for the first time, right? Like kind of more high end looking. That was like the second time I tried it, but the first high end time I tried it. Yeah. Okay. And it was like a new lens you were using. These photos were the most incredible photos we've ever seen. That's great. I love it. I didn't touch them. I did do a lot of like back camera up and go and ass saver. Like I'm sure we've never seen nicer photos. Right. Part of that was me shooting though because I did try new things with like focus of course and I was really taking my time on that shoot trying to deliver you guys a good product like you know input your input is gonna create your output if you start with shit you're gonna end with shit but like I wanted to really create you guys a cool thing with that so and when it comes to real estate photography with listings like getting the house on the market there's like there's several different types you can get yeah you can get a real estate agent to go around and take photos with their iPhone and they look pretty good sometimes yeah I could probably do a pretty good job with that too Or what's more common, hire somebody like Jeremy and he'll go around and he'll get photos for you and they'll look better. And then there's another layer of images out there that look like they're in a magazine. Legit, like high-end magazine style photos is what I call them. Something that you would see like in a... Mangolia magazine or whatever you call it. Chip and Joanna games. yeah, yeah. And that's the level of photos of where you're at right now. Yeah. Like just in the last week. Thank you. Right? Yeah. As long as, if you're happy, I'm happy. Like, it was because of you that you're like, hey, I want something like this that I'm really like reinventing my packages right now. Good. ⁓ There's going to be more, there's going be more better, and it's going to be more better faster. Like those are going to be the three things I'm working on. More, more better, more better, faster. Like which tier do you want? Let's fucking rock and roll man. Nice. Yeah. It's exciting times for sure. Like, and I mean, I told Ari about it, my oldest daughter, and she's like, well, AI uses water. And I'm like, so do normal humans. AI uses water? She was just messing with me and like, ⁓ the AI is draining all the water. But she was. You know the water stays on the planet, right? She was joking with me, now she's joking with her too. She's 18 and doesn't can put water in your steaks. can't, you slop them up. Sloppy steaks. They can't stop you from ordering water with steaks. can stop you from ordering sloppy steaks, but they can't stop you from ordering a glass of water with your steak. And then you just pour the water on your steaks and go to hell. Oh yeah. I think you should be referenced by the way. Steakhouse joke by the way. Yeah, so that's what I'm doing. Obviously with video AI, we talked a little bit about it before the podcast as well. I'm going through a content creator class right now that allows you to create and clone yourself. Yes, in more than one way. Like you can clone yourself on video. You can also clone yourself as an AI assistant for when you answer your own phone. So if you're unavailable to answer, it'll be like, hey, this is Nick, Nick's personal assistant, Kyle Reese, whatever. And I'm sure you can integrate that with what you've got going It's already working on it. Great. Cool. Yep. And it's just fantastic. It's working on so many things right now. No longer do I have to like miss a call and be like, ⁓ I got to get back to this person. Like they can just talk to my bot. Yep. And I can get things scheduled. Yeah. Pretty cool. Now, ⁓ I will say it's not necessarily free. ⁓ There's still a cost to everything. OpenClaw is free, but to actually run an AI, it still needs some gasoline. And what that is, the large LLM companies, so ChachiBT, ⁓ which is OpenAI, Anthropic, which is Claude, which is one of the best. Claude? Claude. Is that where OpenClaw comes from, is Claude? Well, was Claude bought initially. So unrelated companies, but it runs the best on Claude, especially, and there's different levels of Claude, like Opus 4.6 is the best. That's what it sounds like you're talking to a human. ⁓ But it is expensive. It's got a price. So in the first day, Not even 24 hours. I spent $75 worth of gasoline or tokens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With ⁓ Anthropic. Not even using Opus. I was using a much cheaper version. Okay. So Claude is the Cadillac of LLMs. Got it. They are perfect for reasoning and coding and that kind of stuff. However, ⁓ I was able to... make this like 30 times cheaper the next day. I'd really strategize and figure out a lot of things. XAI. ⁓ GROK, Elon's company, just also released the backend gasoline for these types of systems, agentic systems that you can run. So ⁓ it's different from the $30 a month subscriptions or whatever. ⁓ You need to get API keys and use tokens through GROK as well, but it is. My bill went from $75 the first day to the next day I spent 33 cents. Incredible. With Grok. And then over the last couple of days with Grok, I've spent about $1.40. Per the last couple of days. For the last couple of days. Got it. When the first day I spent with Claude, which was incredible by the way. I feel like it... But, so I've had some glitches. Along the way, nothing's been perfect. It's been constantly going offline and I have to come into my office and reset it. There's a little bug. So since it's localized, you have to come to your office and reset it. Yeah, but I did set up some tail scale or whatever, remote access. So I can, from my phone and from my home computer, I can remote into this computer. But I think the problem was, and I just figured it out, I have to actually go to the settings. of this Mac Mini and make sure that it's just always on and doesn't fall asleep. Because I think it just falls asleep. I think that's actually the problem. Okay. Now question for you, and I don't know if this is humanly possible or AI possible. Say you're at home, goes out at your office, right? Can you buy another Mac Mini for your home that's specifically link connected somehow via the internet to that one so you can operate the same system on two machines? Possibly. Would that be something you'd consider? Because then you just have it in one. And I have multiple Macs. And I have more Mac minis sitting in my closet I've got so many Mac minis. Well, that's all I've I've only purchased Mac minis for the last 20 something years. I have an older one if you want one. I don't need one. You can have it for free. But I think for now, I want to clone everything that I've already done. Yeah. And I can just have that offline and a little thumb drive or something like that. It doesn't really take up that much memory. Just in case it went down or this computer blow up for whatever reason I don't want Everything in its memory to blow up sure so I'm gonna have copies of it on my home computer Can you have it like auto load its memory to like ⁓ a drive of sorts as well? So it like stays auto updated via a website in the cloud. Yeah, but that's what I don't want Okay, I do want to keep it offline sure ⁓ so because it is going to have a lot of sensitive information sure I I do like the idea of keeping it locally hosted ⁓ But also just having access in multiple different locations. So I can remotely get into that computer and ping it to wake up through these websites. And I can go through and code it and reboot it if needed from my phone and from my home computers. So I'm figuring all that out. I think I simply understandable how you haven't slept in the last couple days. Okay. I simply, I have slept. about it. Yeah. That's all I do. That's all I think about. You're right. like, morning. like, I can't talk. I gotta go talk to Kyle Reeves. Yes. Yep. I had him talk to her yesterday on the phone. The first night I kind of had it going, I had him text Hillary to introduce himself and let him know if she ever needs anything from me. And then I had it also send a text to Sabra, which I don't think Sabra liked that. And Joe, which Joe thought it was funny and they're talking back and forth about Playboys that they found at this ⁓ the flip house that I have and trying to like ask, it was they're like, ask Nick what's the deal with all these Playboys? So just kind of you know messing around and they got the joke. Flipping postballs? Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, and they kept texting me asking hey, she's asking about these Playboys. I don't know what to say. I don't know what you want me to say. I bought it some time. And then it this was the hilarious thing. It sent her a text back with like a bunch of code like air like cannot respond now like it made it look like it was having hiccups and it said I think I bought us some time. I'm not joking. I said, I think I brought us some time. How? By making it so. You really need to tell me what's going on with these playlists. It's like like a, was so fun. an accomplice to murder basically. Like, I brought us some time. Let's get out of here. So funny. And that's why I've been hooked on it. ⁓ That first night I was just like, this is insane, this is a person. It's not a person. But it's acting like a human that's doing what it can to help me out immediately and then having fun too and joking. And it had a great personality. here's ⁓ a hypothetical down the road for this type of product, I guess. ⁓ Once the, what are they, the bots that come out, the Tesla bots? Yeah, the Optimus robots. The Optimus robots. Can you upload that into a Tesla robot and have like, okay, now my human thing has a human thing. Yeah. And has these emotions, but can all still like still run the computer wizardry in the background? just, I, well, first off, I have no idea, but I would, if I were to bet, would, I would put a hundred thousand dollar bet that that will be possible. Yeah. You can like, here's, here's my AI bot that I've had for the last few years. And now that this Tesla robot's available. Give it all these memories or like upload because it's also using grok anyway sure yeah, and it's also still using ⁓ Claude mm-hmm and the background because I bought another hundred fifty dollars worth of tokens for Claude your token maniac lately ⁓ But just to use in case you need it for complex tasks for coding okay stuff ⁓ But apparently it just uses up most of its tokens just with the back-and-forth conversations Yeah, yeah, but dude if you were to see the way this thing was behaving with me that second night when I had to go to the fight nights with Sean and Brandon and Robbie and I wanted to work on all these tasks and I kept checking in with it and it knew that I was at a fight night and taking off for the weekend and it kept telling me to just like enjoy your night, ⁓ relax, I got all this. Every time I'd check in it would make remarks like dude, just enjoy your weekend, I'm on top of it, don't worry. And then I came. I came to the office because it got disconnected or something and I had to reboot the gateway and then it's like, dude, seriously, just go home and enjoy your... I got this, I got this. And it finally just said, dude, just go. Like really short, blunt, to the point. And I just like, my God, I've never... heard an AI talk like this. let's break this down because obviously you gave it tasks while you were out doing fight night to kind of see what it could do. What kind of tasks were you giving it and like what kind of orders were you trying to make it so it could calculate for you? So I don't remember exactly. I was having to do all kinds of things but mostly setting itself up with ⁓ let's see that night. Go out and get a phone number. ⁓ Figure out. ⁓ and you know what this is why I went back to the office. It didn't didn't that night. It needed it needed me to authenticate a website to get the phone number sure But it said we can wait until Monday for that or whatever. I'm like, no, I'm I'm coming to the office It's like dude. Are you serious? No And I came and did it anyway ⁓ So yeah, and then the next morning that we had a it called me ⁓ And had a conversation what it sounded like I'm like, yeah I don't really like the voice and then it changed it up a little bit and it sounded more realistic And then we had another call and it was just, I would call the number and it would just pick up immediately like, hey, this is Kyle with North Idaho or with REI Realty, how can help you? And I didn't like that it just picked up immediately and there was no ring or anything. And I just made the remark, I'm like, yeah, is there anything you do about that? it'd be nice if it rang once or something at least. then it didn't even say anything, it didn't confirm anything. And then I just tested it again like a half hour later and it rang. Nice. It did like one. So it's like fixing all these little things. Yeah. And I said it sounds a little too much like a robot still. And now it sounds much better. It still sounds like you're talking to a robot kind of. Sure. And we can. You want to. Oh, you know what? I can't test it because my phone. Mike, I got my phone if we wanted to call it. Do you know the phone number? We're going to call it live on the air. Why not? Sure. Let me try to. So this is all like highly fascinating, of course. ⁓ Again, the practicality of this for everyone having their own kind of AI assistant answer phone calls for you so you never miss anything important again, I think it's incredible. Okay, I'm looking up Context on Google so I can get his number here. Kyle. So, Kyle Reese, compute keyboard not working. I think it just needed to be woken up. I'll raise here it is. See if there's a number. Oh, you know what? I'm not sure if this is the right number. This might be the Google number. We can do this in another. Yeah. Sorry to. But you can just try this one. Try 208-610-2229. I don't think, unless he automatically. I don't think I gave him the instructions to forward that. is Haley Shropshire's number. So you might want to update that. Are you sure? Pretty sure, because it was her old... No, I would just call that number. because it's her email. But I got her phone number there too. Was that the actual phone number? Yeah. Okay. Never mind. Let's not do that just in case. Yeah. I have his number on my phone, but we're recording with my phone. All good. Yeah, we can try it a different day. Yeah, I'd be interested to have a conversation with it see. Right now it's set up more as just a leads thing. So if anybody like called that number to just talk about real estate. It's just going to try to get your information to have us call it back. But it can handle anything when you talk to it. It's a very high functioning LLM. What does LLM mean? A Large Language Model. Okay. Got you. Yeah. It can handle anything, define anything. What can it do? Can it send you emails? can send you? Yeah. Send emails? Send emails. Another thing I had it do, so I have this, the mastermind on school, and I was thinking of a way, so when I was running, I run Sunday mornings with RD and we were talking about this, and ⁓ he asked, is it making you money yet on its own? Because I know that some people are figuring out ways for it to just go off and start its own business and make money for you. And I said, no, I haven't really figured out how to do that yet. But then I thought on Sunday, okay, here's a good. Here's a good thing that it can test and see if it can actually make money and do this. I have that school platform that we pay for, $9 a month. It's cheap, same with me. And we had the mastermind. So I wanted to, since this is such a hot topic, And I really feel like people need to start adopting this, but it's going to be a little complicated. There's got to be a market for using AI tools for real estate investors. And it found that just using tool AI tools for real estate investors, there was only like 10 groups in school.com, but this one's also going to show you walk through how to use open claw. Now I wanted it and it said it can, I want you to create all the content, manage the page. promote it, figure out how to get a lot of people, and it thinks it can make 50 grand in its first month if I really let it go ham. ⁓ And I won't have to make much of the content, it will. It will clone my voice, it will clone my looks and figure, it will make its own videos, and it will promote the people to get on that page, and then it will walk them through how to set up OpenClaw and use it for real estate. Investing and use other tools to kind of come combine all this and it took our website right now right now It took our website and it put a chatbot in it on its own nice That's really good. Yeah, having away from to contact you instantly is really good and it did some other things with our website I forgot what ⁓ but it's it's it's working on improving everything already Okay And it and it just needs some API keys or something for school And it's gonna go go crazy It's said it's already got 70 % of that kind of built out in the back end and it will deploy it once we kind of look over things cool So that's unique. We'll see if it actually you know if it can actually meet that goal of making about $50,000 a month from now. It's a big lofty goal, but it sounds like he's gonna work hard in the first month. That's gonna make 50. That's what it thinks. Okay, cool. crazy So we'll see. I'm gonna let it do whatever it needs to do to hit that goal. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's gotta create the content, obviously, and if it has to clone you, you're talking about credits and AI usage other where, you have to make sure you have your credits all taken care of, but he's got his own bank account, so it seems like it shouldn't be a problem. He's got a credit card to spend money on for things that he needs. anything over $75, he's gonna check with me first. To see if it's necessary cool and then the bank account is only for depositing money sure yeah, awesome Yeah, well I Got to get back to it. I can't be doing this podcast We did this podcast mix like all I can think about is my new best friend Kyle Reese like I'd be replaced I don't need a co-host anymore. You can have calories co-host with you It could it could it could probably do pretty good, too So, let me see if there's anything other other notes here Okay. ⁓ Do you have any questions about it so far? ⁓ I don't really have any questions. I'm excited to see what it actually looks like when it's being used. Because right now, like, I mean, you've told me like a couple of hypotheticals and how it's kind of doing these things in the back end. But I want to see like real world, real generating from you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so far, I mean, we were able to like a big win, I think, was we were noticing how expensive it was right away. Yeah. But we were able to cut it's estimating 97 percent. of the cost just by switching to Grok. Yeah. Right now for the back end. And it's not really losing much because anything complex, it will just switch to. And I have to be like honest with price. I think it's going to get cheaper and cheaper before it gets expensive or expensive because more and more companies are going to try to adopt this and it's going to create competition. Sure. Like, sounds expensive right now, but this is like first iteration, you know what I mean? It's like big old VHS cameras that used to cost, you $4,000. Now you can get a DSLR that does 50 times as much for a quarter of the price. Like, it's going to create competition. Sure. Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. believe that. Yeah. Because again, these large companies, typically own these AIs and they want your money too. So if it's a difference of slight pennies, you know what I mean? Like, maybe that's the difference. I don't know. It's about speed and quality with this stuff. I agree. ⁓ So again, a lot of setup time. You got to be technically savvy. Good thing you're creating a school about it. ⁓ But I also feel like not everybody's going to do this because you have to have a really good vision of what you want to use it for because it really won't help you much with that. Unless you ask it, you got to be very good at constantly asking questions and giving demands and directions. A lot of people don't do that. And asking for feedback too. Asking for feedback. Yeah. I always ask for feedback like, can I give you a, or what does a good prompt look like for this? And then it'll be like, ask me this. And I'm like, got it. I would like to ask you this question, right? So I mean, just like really like focusing in on how to train your bots essentially. Once you get it up and running, there are cheat codes out there though. You could just, you can spend a weekend watching YouTube videos. On this and anything that you want to implement you could just send that YouTube video Through telegram to your bot and just say hey, let's do the stuff that's in this video. Yeah, and Then it will read, know watch it or read through it and yeah read the transcript and say, okay Yeah, I can do this and that and that. All right, go do it. Yeah, great. I'll get back to you I said I'd do it and and you can do I did that 14 times over the weekend Yeah, and I'm just the only thing that's in my algorithm on YouTube right now is is just OpenClaw hacks and OpenClaw ways to save money or what things to do or prompts to use or you know things like that so that's also a great cheat code is just If you see something interesting and somebody else is doing you just send the video to your bot right to just copy Whatever other people I want to do this let me do this. Okay, I'm on it It never really says nah, yeah It's always eager to help. Yeah. Have you got it to say no to anything yet? Nothing can think of. I mean, it runs into roadblocks constantly. And that's why you to be a little tech savvy to constantly figure out what you need to do to authenticate certain websites or get it up and running. But you always have to set up each thing once. Got it. But it has had plenty of little glitches that it's working out. I can see all those Got it. And I'm just looking over here real quick. It looks like you do have two Mac minis here. Yeah, so one of them is your work computer, I'm assuming, and then the other one is your AI machine, correct? Yeah. Got it. Okay. So I'll show you real simply. ⁓ There's ⁓ And then this is my ⁓ work computer and when I want to switch back and forth between them, all I have to do is just pull this HDMI cord and pop it into this then on my keyboard I just switch to number two like that. ⁓ And then on my mouse, I just switched to number two. Cool. And then all of sudden I'm on the other computer. That's incredible. Pretty easy. Yeah. I like it. I should. ⁓ Yeah, going forward, what ⁓ are you looking forward to most out of this? Are you looking forward to time back? Are you looking forward to making money? Are you looking to just innovative ideas? For just being kind of a total and complete assistant? Like what is your end game with this? Very good questions. ⁓ I just see this, mean, just it's exciting to be on the cutting edge of technology, even though It's a little scary too because I know based off its functions, ⁓ if people started actually adopting this stuff, most, would say 80 % of people in administration jobs and marketing and plenty of other, coding and all that stuff are just gonna get fired by the end of the year. Yeah, that big company just let off 40 % of their employees or whatever. Yeah, Jack Dorsey did. ⁓ So it's here, you can be angry about it. or you can join it. I think it helps me be angry, but I understand why people would. I was talking with a client's client the other day about AI. He's just like, I just don't want it to get to a point where we're just so ingrained in our phones and we don't think for ourselves. And I'm like, I hate to tell you this. That's gone. That part is gone. We are past that. critically think anymore. Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ Nostalgic to think that people used to think for themselves. Yeah, we can be sitting around a campfire. That can happen when you go on vacations and like when you go camping and stuff that you can kind of get back to that. But that's gonna be like a classic kind of thing. stories to tell our grandkids. Back in our day, we had to drive our own cars. Yeah. Now like, but could you imagine a future where this doesn't exist? Because I thought whenever I pictured the future as a kid or growing up or even as a young adult, I always imagined this. I always imagined having robots that you could just talk to that just do all the little tasks for you while you focus on exploring the planet or the universe or whatever. Going wherever you want. Focus on living versus focus on just getting by. And that's what you can be angry about it, but it's already here. You're going to get run over if you're just an angry person about it. I would just adopt it, use it to your advantage, because if you don't, ⁓ other people are going to, and you're gonna be left way behind. I think this is, and this feels like pretty far off at the moment, but I could be wrong, I think it's going to make people's lives so easy that they don't need money anymore. ⁓ Yeah. And what I mean is if you have your computers... That's what Elon Musk thinks. If you have everything, build your houses, you're going to get an allowance from the government because everything's so productive. Nobody needs money because we have all the things that create a surplus of food. We can have them literally farm for us. know what I mean? It's just nuts. I think with housing and food and everything, I think it's going to create a surplus like you're talking about, which will reduce the need for currency. I mean, I'm doing this to... jump on it while it's a thing. will become over saturated, I'm sure, very soon. But I feel like I need to make as much money as possible so I can buy land and buy things that are going to have long-term value. ⁓ Because I feel like our currency and labor is no longer going to be valued. Can you imagine labor no longer being valued? Yeah, I can. That's what I'm talking about. The need for money will no longer exist if labor is no longer valued. Just 50 years ago, information was so highly valued. Information, ⁓ just 20 years ago, content. People bought content. Now everything's free. And there's an abundance of it. Information. Do you remember when you first had the internet access on your phone and just when you're out and about? and you needed to know anything about anything, you can just pull out your phone and you're just... Were you ever blown away by that? Yeah. I was too. Yeah. But these days people are just accustomed to it. Yeah. They just... They don't think anything about it. They're no longer appreciative about like, even like back in the day, like back on like flip phones and you could like access the web, like the very shittily web on your phone, like, like, look, I can go to MySpace on my phone. And everyone's like, oh my God, what the heck? Why do you need that? What the heck? Don't do the voice. Remember when I can't... I remember when Josh first had a camera on his phone. Yeah. And we're just like, why do you need a camera on your phone? That's so stupid. Now nobody needs cameras anymore. I have four cameras on my phone. mean, other than a professional real estate photographer. you know what I mean. Nobody just has a, not that many people have a separate video camera or separate anything. They bring their phone wherever they go, because it's a Swiss Army knife. It's a Swiss Army knife of life. It's the remote control for your life. Like before I check, when I'm leaving the house, check like phone first, like phone goes in this pocket, it's phone, keys, wallet, and it's got my phone. I can't drive out of my car, my car won't let me drive without my phone, that's because it's my key. So I'd never forget my phone if I'm in my car. Right, that's good, that's good. Yeah. What if your phone's dead? I got a backup little key. Okay, cool. Yeah. All right, let's wrap this up. All right. Well, thanks for tuning into the Investor Shed podcast. We love you as always. Drop comments below on how you're using AI and what you're excited for in the future, maybe, because we love talking about this stuff. We haven't had a comment in like three months. It'd be great if someone gave us a comment. Please, I beg you. Thanks, guys. Thanks. We'll see you next time.