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O'Brien & Doug S5:E13 [February 10, 2022 Rock Hall & Ryan Cyr] · O'Brien & Doug

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SPEAKER_05: This yo yo this is the O'Brien and Doug podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Why don't you get down in the basement with your little friend?
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the O'Brien and Doug Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm O'Brien.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm the other guy.
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SPEAKER_02: And Doug and via Zoom tonight.
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SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: I had a snow day today because uh because we live in Narnia, apparently, but it snows off the boat.
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SPEAKER_02: We do.
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SPEAKER_06: Um it feels like it's been snowing for a week, but it's only been what?
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SPEAKER_06: Since like last Thursday or something?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think we got we got a storm Thursday night into Friday, and then we got one last night into today.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh so this is the second snow day that the school has has had this uh this year.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I didn't think they had any last year, but anyway.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh but yeah, I got to stay home and play guitar all day and you know cleaned out my driveway and did some dishes.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: So this is season five, episode thirteen, and we do have a special guest uh coming up a little bit later in the podcast, uh Ryan Sear.
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SPEAKER_02: We talked a lot about his um former band Giraffe Attack uh on the last episode.
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SPEAKER_06: And um so we thought we got C D hasn't left my CD player in my truck all week.
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SPEAKER_02: Have you have you gone have you listened to all three songs?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I couldn't get I I couldn't get past Nation when I had that CD.
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SPEAKER_02: But I mean the other two songs, that was the first time I'd heard them on the last pop podcast that we did.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It was the first time I heard those uh those other two songs.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so we we got Ryan Sear.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna be talking to Ryan Sear, the writer and singer of uh of that song, Nation.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll ask him all about that song and basically the the history of his musical life and we'll go from there.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's coming up a little bit later on.
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SPEAKER_02: But uh first order of business, my friend.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know if you know this, because I know you you live in kind of a bubble uh where you work and then you go home and then you work and then you go home.
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SPEAKER_02: You have other things too, like the podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: But um That's about it.
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SPEAKER_02: But uh they are announced, uh and I'm a little ticked off, and I and I shouldn't let this bother me.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I really shouldn't, but it's it's gotten to a point where they need to change the name of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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SPEAKER_02: Um because they announced this year's crop of of inductees.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Who's in?
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SPEAKER_02: Well who's who's being voted in, I should say.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, that's the thing.
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SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So I can understand you and I have had this conversation about like Jay-Z.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I can I can understand that.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh let me just let me just list the the ones appearing on the ballot for the first time.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Beck.
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SPEAKER_06: Beck?
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SPEAKER_06: Beck.
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SPEAKER_06: Like two turntables on a microphone, but yes, yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Really?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh well so I I can't.
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SPEAKER_02: Beck, I'm not really gonna put much of a stink about because when he came out, he kind of changed things a little bit, did his own thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh uh I don't know, and and and if you're a fan of Beck, I you know, I apologize, but what has he done?
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SPEAKER_06: I honestly don't know anybody who is a fan of Beck.
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SPEAKER_06: I do.
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SPEAKER_06: I really don't.
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SPEAKER_06: I cannot I cannot think of anybody in my in my you know you know my circle of of friends that is a Beck fan.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I think he's super talented.
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SPEAKER_02: I really do.
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SPEAKER_06: Uh oh no, there's no doubt about that, but I just I just don't know anybody that's into him.
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SPEAKER_02: When I when I think Beck, I think the song Loser.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and I know he's had other songs and I know he's had other albums, but I don't know what they are.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and and and again, it's all subjective.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm I wasn't a fan of Beck, so I didn't follow his career.
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SPEAKER_02: Those that were fans followed his career, and and he probably made an impact.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh but did he make an impact on rock and roll?
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, maybe Duran Duran.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, I can see that.
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SPEAKER_02: I can see that as well.
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SPEAKER_02: More pop than rock, but I but I can s I can see them going in.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not really gonna put up much of a stink about them either.
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SPEAKER_02: M M M.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, I mean What do you think?
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_06: I mean he's I mean he's good at what he does.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: No doubt about that.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Um I can take him or leave him.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Um the argument about you know, we we had last time about Jay-Z going, it wasn't really an argument, but you can see maybe the contribution contributions that they've made to music, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Um but rock music?
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SPEAKER_06: Um not specifically rock music, no.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_06: Music in general, yes, but rock music no.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so we'll just leave that there.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Lionel Ritchie.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll I'll even I'll even go with that.
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SPEAKER_06: Not rock-ish, but RB, right?
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SPEAKER_02: R and B pop.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I mean he was he was with the Commodores.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and his solo career was was a pop career.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean so we're we're kind of we're kind of um being a little nitpicky here.
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SPEAKER_02: Carly Simon.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Again, not a big fan.
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SPEAKER_02: Again, a contribution to music.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: A tribe called Quest.
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, I like the Tribe Called Quest, but Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, contributing to music in general, sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this one's gonna throw you.
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SPEAKER_02: Um because and and these are just I'm just listing the ones that are on the ballot for the first time.
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SPEAKER_04: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: The other ten nominees uh have been up for induct in induction before.
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SPEAKER_02: Judas Priest, well deserved.
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SPEAKER_02: Divo.
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SPEAKER_02: Devo, I would even say, you know, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Pat Banatar, Rage Against the Machine, Kate Bush, sure, Eurythmics, New York Dolls, Dion Warwick.
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SPEAKER_02: I can't believe Dion Warwick is not in there.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm surprised she's not in yet.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh Phaela Kuti and I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: And MC five Oh, MC five.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I I put the MC five in.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh but here's here's the last one that's listed as on the ballot for the first time.
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SPEAKER_02: This this one's gonna throw you a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, rock and roll hall of fame.
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SPEAKER_02: Dolly Parton.
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SPEAKER_02: What?
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: Dolly Parton.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Why not, Doug?
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SPEAKER_02: Because they have their own country music hall of fame.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: What well, hasn't she contributed to rock and roll?
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SPEAKER_02: Has she?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, I like Dolly Parton, but she does not.
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SPEAKER_06: Is there any other country artists in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm sure there are country artists in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh I mean, did she did she write any songs that were rock and roll songs?
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SPEAKER_02: No?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_02: None that I know of.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, she didn't didn't she write that uh one that Whitney Houston did?
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SPEAKER_06: Uh I Will Always Love You.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but she but she wrote it as a country song.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she recorded it first, and then Whitney had a hit with it.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, that's and that's a pop song.
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SPEAKER_06: That's not even that's not yeah, it's not really a rock song, it's pop.
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SPEAKER_06: Jeez, I don't know, man.
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SPEAKER_06: That's that's weird.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know why you put Holly Parton in there.
8:51
SPEAKER_02: So and and here's the thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Um they have the fan vote again this year.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and here's here's where we are so far.
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SPEAKER_02: And I can't believe that Pat Banatar is not just going in.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, just she shouldn't be a nominee.
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SPEAKER_02: She should be she's she should be definitely inducted.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um but they've got the fan vote going again, and after a million votes, Eminem and Duran Duran are leading the pack.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Eminem's got 142,000 votes.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh Duran Duran 119,000.
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SPEAKER_02: Pat Benatar is in third with 112,000.
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SPEAKER_02: Dolly Parton has more than 95,000 votes, and Eurythmics are at 73,000.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, for the four other ones uh that have received more than 50,000, are Lionel Richie, Judas Priest, Carly Simon, and Rage Against the Machine.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I'm not gonna put up much of a sync about a lot of those nominees.
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SPEAKER_02: Some of them I just don't understand.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: And here's remember how we talked about uh they should change the name?
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SPEAKER_02: I get that from uh uh I'm friends on Facebook with Jude Cole.
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SPEAKER_02: He's a singer-songwriter from the eighties and nineties, but he's also a big time producer and and and songwriter.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh he posted something and he said the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is nearing a fork in the road.
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SPEAKER_02: Do they continue with the name representing rock and roll?
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SPEAKER_02: Soon there will be no artists left with a hint of rock or roll in their music, and with no more muddy waters in Bob Dylan's, should the name reflect more of what it really is today, like Western world's most popular artists' hall of fame?
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SPEAKER_06: That's a kind of mouthful.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: There are equally significant artists from Africa, Southeast Asia, South America, and the Middle East, but they aren't considered.
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SPEAKER_02: There are YouTube and TikTok artists who are mind-blowing, doing it all on their own.
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SPEAKER_02: Finally, there are war horses like Jude Cole, who've made their living solely on music, in his case, contributing vocals, guitar, bass, numerous instruments, writing, producing, and even managing hit songs.
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SPEAKER_02: Do they have a war horse award in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or the Grammys?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh he says uh trying to choose between Eminem and Dolly is like trying to decide whether I want ketchup or mustard on my taco.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh it shouldn't, it's it's not the rock and roll hall of fame anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: And I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but uh, you know, I understand.
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SPEAKER_06: I think I'd rather have a dead horse than Dolly Parton.
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SPEAKER_02: And don't get me wrong, I love Dolly Parton.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but I don't think she has any business being in the rock and roll hall of fame.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't either.
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SPEAKER_02: She's got the Country Music Hall of Fame.
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SPEAKER_02: She could there could be there should be a pop music hall of fame.
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SPEAKER_02: There should be She has her own amusement park.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: She doesn't need to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: I and I think it's just a group of people sitting around the table.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh, how about Dolly Parton?
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SPEAKER_02: Let's put Dolly Parton in.
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SPEAKER_02: Why, why?
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SPEAKER_02: Nobody questions.
11:57
SPEAKER_02: Well, nobody questioned that.
11:58
SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't get it, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Doesn't make any sense.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not people who have made a contribution to music.
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SPEAKER_02: It's people who have made a contribution to rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_06: Well, yeah, so should they change the name of the Hall of Fame?
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SPEAKER_02: Right, that's the question.
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SPEAKER_02: Popular music hall of fame or or modern music hall of fame.
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SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, because then you could include everybody.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, yeah, that would be if we're gonna throw Dolly Part, why don't we just throw Beethoven in there?
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SPEAKER_06: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I'm okay with every era of rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_02: From Dwayne Eddy uh and the coasters to uh Led Zeppelin and um Montrose and all you know, all these guys, up to you know, when it's when it's 25 years or or more, whatever the the thing is to get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, up to Allison Chains, um, you know, all those grunge guys.
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SPEAKER_02: That's still rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just an era of rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, when you when you talk about I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I shouldn't let it bother me, but it does.
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SPEAKER_06: It's it's it's because I wasn't bothered until you mentioned Dolly Parton.
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SPEAKER_02: I would even throw Beck.
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SPEAKER_02: Remember when we mentioned Beck?
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Becky.
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SPEAKER_06: I have less of I have less of a problem with Beck going in than I do on Parton.
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, you know, I'm not sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Beck has contributed to rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_02: I will s you know, I'll go out and say that.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, he he loser was kind of different when it came out.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And and he's done like just a his career has been a varied career.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, the music that he's put out is is all different.
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SPEAKER_02: But it's still it's still rebellious, it's still rock and roll, you know?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um when you start talking about and and and that's why I'm I'm not okay with Eminem.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not okay with Jay-Z going in, but I can get over it because like you pointed out last time, hip-hop is all about rebellion.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And and and that's that comes from rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And R and B.
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SPEAKER_06: It's the new rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: So you kind of you kind of have me sold on that a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: I still there's still a little part of me that's like, uh, I still don't think hip hop, hip-hop should have its own Hall of Fame.
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SPEAKER_02: It probably already does.
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SPEAKER_02: Probably does somewhere.
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SPEAKER_02: I know actually I would put hip hop artists in the RB Hall of Fame, because there is an RB Hall of Fame.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah, yeah.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, I would I would put hip hop artists in there because hip-hop is more RB than it is rock and roll, in my opinion, because there's a rhythm to it and it's just like uh I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'm maybe I'm just being an old fogey again.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but I'm just I I'm really just mind blown with this Dolly Parton thing.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't get that at all.
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SPEAKER_02: I'd like to I'd like to, I wonder if there's a um an explanation from uh the people that nominated them as to like Yeah, but we have no idea who who was on the committee and you know how much they've had to drink.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh they do there's a there's a um John Sykes is the is the guy that runs it.
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SPEAKER_02: He he co-founded MTV uh and ran VH1 for a while.
15:43
SPEAKER_02: I want to get some of these.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: There's uh ultimate classicrock.com.
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SPEAKER_02: They have some of their contributors who are reacting to see this, and one of them uh says it's smart of them to add country in the form of Dolly Parton, not to mention long overdue in terms of artistic merit and influence.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe Willie Nelson gets a shot next year.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh it's no.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't I don't get it.
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SPEAKER_06: Why what's with this push to get country artists into the rock and roll?
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SPEAKER_06: It's rock and roll.
16:19
SPEAKER_02: Um let's see what else here.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: Well, they use the same term that I did.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: It says if there's any gripe to be had with these nominees, it's that so many of them should have been inducted years ago, but there's no use beating a dead horse.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so this one says Dolly Parton, not because she doesn't deserve it.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is the question is who's the most surprising inclusion?
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SPEAKER_02: And they said Dolly Parton, not because she doesn't deserve it, uh, but because she's been eligible for so long, it's easy to think the rock hall forgot all about her.
16:55
SPEAKER_02: No, no, it's not easy to think.
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SPEAKER_02: It it's it's they did because she's country.
17:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and then somebody else says, I will admit I'm a bit surprised at Dolly Parton's inclusion.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I think she's an exceedingly worthy candidate, but her name certainly stands out among the nominees, and I wasn't expecting to see her listed.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping this sparks some more discussion around other country artists who really ought to be in the hall, like Willie Nelson and Glenn Campbell.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: Glenn Campbell should be in the hall.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: Do you know why?
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SPEAKER_02: Because Glenn Campbell was he was in the wrecking crew and he was a beach boy for crying out loud.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: I would put Glenn Campbell in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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SPEAKER_06: Absolutely, I would too.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh this other person says Dolly Parton will get all of the headlines, of course.
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SPEAKER_02: I was just as intrigued by their resurrection of the thought dead candidate uh candidacies of MC Five.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh blah, blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_02: Parton.
17:45
SPEAKER_02: But as I mentioned earlier, it's both well-deserved and a smart business move.
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SPEAKER_02: First and foremost, this is a television show, and ignoring one of the most popular genres in American music history makes little sense.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: No, it's not a television show.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a rock and roll hall of fame.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: Who said it was a television show?
18:03
SPEAKER_02: Some per some person named Wilkening.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: Their last name is Wilkening, it's a contributor.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh, first and foremost, this is a television show.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: No, it's not.
18:11
SPEAKER_02: You're in the wrong business.
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SPEAKER_02: Um they said Beck is an interesting choice, not because he doesn't have the hits or the cultural clout to justify the inclusion, but because he's been eligible since 2018.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, one person says there's nothing really surprising here.
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SPEAKER_02: It's great to see a tribe called Quest and Dolly Parton to name two.
18:29
SPEAKER_02: Though some may gripe about the former, it's easy to make the argument for their important contributions to music.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: Yes, they have had important contributions to music, just not rock and roll.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: And and people will get on us about, you know, why do you categorize music?
18:46
SPEAKER_02: Why does it have to be rock and roll?
18:48
SPEAKER_02: It's the rock and roll hall of fame.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: It's in the name.
18:55
SPEAKER_02: It's in the name.
18:56
SPEAKER_02: It I would think that that would be You'd think that would be a big clue.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:04
SPEAKER_06: Um I'm just tripping on it.
19:06
SPEAKER_06: I can't get over the Dolly Party thing.
19:08
SPEAKER_06: I just I just can't I can't wrap my mind around it.
19:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay, now let's talk about exclusions.
19:13
SPEAKER_02: Um these contributors are talking about those who have been excluded once again.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: Um Jeff Rotull is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: See, I don't get that.
19:25
SPEAKER_02: King Crimson.
19:27
SPEAKER_02: Warren Zevon is not in the rock and roll hall of fame.
19:30
SPEAKER_06: He's not in the Hall of Fame.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: He's not in the Hall of Fame.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, the monkeys are not in the Hall of Fame.
19:38
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I can kind of see that.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: I can kind of see that too.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: But um, I like the monkeys, but you're right.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: This person, Doriso, there are entire websites devoted to this.
19:48
SPEAKER_02: We've weighed into.
19:49
SPEAKER_02: Is any half-related parlor game more fun for everyone who can't get over Warren Zevon's absence?
19:54
SPEAKER_02: There's someone else throwing angry devil horns because Iron Maiden Iron Maiden haven't been honored.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: Um seriously, though, it's a process, not a moment in time.
20:04
SPEAKER_02: People forgot that seemingly obvious shoe-ins like Pink Floyd, Billy Joel, the Grateful Dead, Steele the End, and ACDC weren't inducted during their first year of eligibility.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but those are all rock and roll acts.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: Um this one, I I I like what this guy says.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: This is Wilkening again.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: He says Zevon is the most surprising exclusion because he would seem to be exactly the kind of artist the voters would love based on who else is already inducted.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: I know they're nominated, but still amazing to have to uh to me that Rage Against the Machine were inducted their first year on the ballot for the same basic reason.
20:37
SPEAKER_02: I'll catch endless and why would you catch hell for this?
20:40
SPEAKER_02: He says I'll catch endless hell for the ball.
20:42
SPEAKER_06: I thought Rage Against the Machine wasn't in yet.
20:45
SPEAKER_02: No, he's saying he's saying it's still amazing to me that Rage Against the Machine weren't inducted their first year on the ballot.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: So they were they were No, they weren't.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: They were they were uh nominated last year, but they didn't get in.
20:57
SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: I believe that's what it was, and now they're nominated again.
21:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh he says, I'll catch endless hell for this from my co-workers, but Sammy Hagar, and more importantly, Robert Plant should have been at least nominated for their solo careers by now.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: Why would you catch hell for that?
21:16
SPEAKER_02: Is Sammy Hagar not not worthy of being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
21:22
SPEAKER_02: As a solo artist?
21:23
SPEAKER_02: As a solo artist.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: No, he should be in there.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: Come on.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Nine on a 10 scale, uh Voa, these record these records that he's had.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding me?
21:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't understand why he's why he they would uh give him a hard time about that.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: And then Robert.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: And then Robert Plant, too.
21:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Robert Plant's solo career wasn't as uh as great as Led Zeppelin's, but uh he had an extensive solo career and still does.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: So he should be in here as a solo artist as well.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh hard rock and heavy metal continue to get the shaft.
21:57
SPEAKER_02: Judas Priest are here, but they'll and they'll get in this.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Time, but where are Iron Maiden?
22:01
SPEAKER_02: Why haven't Soundgarden been inducted?
22:05
SPEAKER_02: Um who do you think will get inducted into this class?
22:14
SPEAKER_02: Um Eminem is a shoe-in, this person says.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: He's the best selling artist of the two thousands and the best-selling rapper of all time, and no other artist has mixed rock and hip hop to the same degree of commercial success.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: What has Eminem I I and again I don't listen to Eminem.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: I I remember when his first album came out.
22:34
SPEAKER_02: Um first couple albums came out, and I I like what MM does.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: I haven't heard it mixed with rock and roll.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it maybe it has.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: You know, rap and and rock and roll.
22:49
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
22:50
SPEAKER_02: You know, I haven't heard Eminem do it, but maybe maybe that's just because I haven't heard it.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh I feel confident about Dolly Parton too.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: It'll be a nice victory lap after her momentous 2021, which earned her a spot on people's uh people of the year list.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's a qu it's a popularity contest.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: It's not that's the thing.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: It's these people journalists, man.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: I don't get it.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: I don't get it either, man.
23:18
SPEAKER_02: I don't get it.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm a I'm a big music fan.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: I'm a big music fan.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: I love all genres of music, and you know, this this whole rock and roll fall hall of fame just confuses me.
23:32
SPEAKER_06: They just make it up as they go.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:35
SPEAKER_02: Um we do not have, speaking of the rock and roll hall of fame, we'll never get in.
23:40
SPEAKER_02: Um but we How do you know?
23:43
SPEAKER_02: We can get in.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: We do not have a Comic Crossing song of the week uh to uh today.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh, but we do have an uh an interview with Ryan Sear uh from Draft Attack, and he's been he's played with a bunch of other people too.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: And I have an interesting uh thing I want to ask him, but we're gonna talk to him in just a couple of minutes.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna take a break, and we will come back and have uh Ryan Seer, who lives right here in uh in town in Prescott, uh, and we'll talk about uh his music, his musical life, his musical journeys, and uh especially that song Nation.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: So that's yes.
24:20
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24:21
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SPEAKER_02: All right, so we are gonna do the Wall of Tunes today, and uh hopefully uh if if uh Ryan has time, uh he can participate uh with us because that would be kind of fun.
26:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh we're talking about Ryan Sear.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: Ryan Sear is or was a member of the band Giraffe Attack.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: We played uh the fabulous song Nation on the podcast last week, um on episode 12, in case you're looking for it.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: Um and we just I mean, I've loved the song for years, and I just turned Doug on to it and the other songs on there as well.
26:26
SPEAKER_06: So with Oh yeah, you better you let me borrow that CD, Ryan, and it hasn't left my CD player all week.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: So I'm digging it, man.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: So uh welcome Ryan Sears to the podcast, yes.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: Um Ryan, how you doing, by the way?
26:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: Good, good, yeah.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Snow day.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: We I just got done um shoveling a neighbor out of her driveway, so that was that was fun.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: I I I just got done this snow blowing my entire yard.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that was fun too.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: Um so um we wanted to have you on because we kind of wanted to get uh we we kind of wanted to dig into the history not only of that song, but of giraffe attack, uh kind of where it came from um and where it went and all that stuff and the players that uh were involved in it.
27:14
SPEAKER_02: And I and I kind of want to get into like the whole uh your whole music life um if you're up for it.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: Um and so let's start though with that song.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: Let's start with Giraffe Attack because you told me uh when we were talking the other day that you you sang all the vocals on that and you played all the instruments pretty much, right?
27:37
SPEAKER_02: Is that right?
27:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I pretty much uh so I I all the vocal tracks are are me.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: Um the I did the bass guitar, I did the drums, and uh when when I originally demoed the song, I played all the string parts and uh on on keys.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: And then uh Eric Betancourt invited some actual string players to come and and double it up.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: Um on the recording that you guys have, I think it's still me, I think it's still my a long time ago.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: I think it's still my keyboard strings that are on there.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: Um there's a newer version, a more updated version on Spotify.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh um that has like a little more bells and whistles, and the and the mix is completely like way better.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: Like the strings are brought up at the end, um, the vocals are you know uh doubled and then isolated in or certain places and stuff.
28:29
SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, so it's been a it's been a progression for it's going on probably 15, 16 years anyways.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so tell me tell me about the origins of the song.
28:41
SPEAKER_02: I you know, I'm I'm trying to I can't, it's it's hard for me because when it comes to and I'm not kissing butt or anything, but when it comes to songs that are when it comes to songs to to that are musically gorgeous, I mean just the chord changes and and the instrumentation, uh it's just you can't get over how and and and the and the the melodies, the competing melodies uh that are going on there.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: There's all kinds of stuff musically that are going on there.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: You know, I hear the words, I I don't pay attention as much to the words.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: Um so can you tell us the origin of the song, what what the song is about?
29:25
SPEAKER_01: Yep, absolutely.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I'll I mean I'll try to.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of uh it started out as um so 9-11 happened.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Yep, and uh for like the the next two years there was a lot of hot debate about you know what are we gonna do about it and stuff like that.
29:45
SPEAKER_01: And uh it it ended up for me, it ended up transcending into something like we were hurrying into a war, yeah, more or less.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: And so the basis of the song came from there's um a sense of humility that we lost in in those those years uh happening after that.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Because you you know you saw like certain parts of society just bursting out and and yelling about this and that, where you know, we just I wanted to know what was going on, what was the fact.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: Why did that happen?
30:19
SPEAKER_01: What was the the leading reason for that?
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Nobody was talking about that, and so I just uh I don't know, I just sat down and um it's funny because this is one of the few songs that I've written that uh it just happened.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: Like it just I was sitting in my bedroom one night and had the guitar and uh started writing words and started writing melody, and the melody came naturally, you know, as most of my songs do.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: If a melody doesn't come naturally, I don't have a song.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of how I work.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I in songs that I really gravitate towards the melody is the first thing that I noticed.
30:55
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure a lot of people are like that.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: But um, so yeah, that was kind of like the the j the the basic um I guess the birth of the song.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: And um so the verses they kind of uh it was my try to reason to myself right you know what you know what we're losing from this.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: Um and uh you know a lot of time has happened since then.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: And the and so every time I hear the song, it kinda and and Eric keeps coming up, kept coming back to me, he's like, you need to get that song out now.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: Now is the time.
31:33
SPEAKER_01: He said that 10 years ago, and then recently he's like this song needs to go out now, because it just keeps kind of happening, you know.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh so yeah, that was that was why I wrote it.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: It was just uh it was I I needed to reason I needed a reason for myself to basically uh make sense of what was going on.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: Um let's talk about uh because you just mentioned Eric and you've mentioned him a couple times before.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: So this is Eric Betancourt, you're talking about, and he was um um one of the members uh of Draft Deck.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: Now, are you primarily a drummer or um uh like were you the drummer in the band, or what what what was your role?
32:09
SPEAKER_01: I was when I moved from I I grew up in Madawaska.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: When I moved from there to go to Portland to play in a band called Strange Pleasure, um that was uh basically crowned by a guy that I grew up with, John Clobet, uh forever.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: And uh he and I played music in high school and stuff, and uh uh and you know you you remember those days.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, oh yeah.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: We crawled to you there for for a minute, and so um I went down there to play Strange Pleasure and they needed a a drummer.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, the drummer wasn't working out, and I just so happened to sing while I played drums, and so that I I was in um and I dropped everything, went down there, and from there I just all I was the drummer for 15 better part of 17 years, anyways, right for bands that you know kind of in and out.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: And uh so yeah, in Giraffe Attack, I was the drummer when it came down to studio time.
33:03
SPEAKER_01: That was Giraffe Attack was more or less a cover band when we played out when we were in Eric's house recording and stuff like that was all original stuff.
33:14
SPEAKER_01: We didn't focus on uh covers too much because uh it just didn't make sense.
33:19
SPEAKER_01: So Eric would record his songs and we all took our part in that, and I record my songs and we took part in that.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: So so the giraffe attack collection that you have is I think it's all original.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's it's basically a collaboration of Eric's songs and my songs together, and it's mostly Eric's songs.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: I think he he was more of a song he could write songs like every day.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: And I would I obsessed over songs for too long, so I I don't have a lot under my belt, but you know, the ones that I'm that came out of I'm proud of on the recordings.
33:48
SPEAKER_02: Let me interrupt you for a second because you alluded to something that I wanted to ask you about, and I and I have to apologize to you because I'm old and and I forget everything, but I I I wanted to make a point to ask you about this, and before we started talking to you, I asked Doug, I said, uh were were you uh I said, Doug, were you uh involved in a thing called ATLC uh at Baptist Park um when um these bunch of guys from the St.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: John Valley came to uh to play like like a like a Beatles medley, uh and he said no I I wasn't there.
34:25
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna ask because you mentioned the other day when we were at work, you mentioned John Clevet.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: Were you one of those guys?
34:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was yep.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: So didn't we do like a ventriloquist bit too?
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Like you did something, and but it was but it was see, and I and I so I did not know that you were in that in that group, but you mentioned John Clevet, and I'm like, as soon as I walked away from you, I'm like, I wonder if he was in that band because you did a s did the Beatles so incredibly well.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: The harmonies were were awesome.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: And I don't you know if you remember the reaction that you got, but the kids absolutely loved it.
35:03
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I think you did I think you did do a bit as well, but I I I don't remember you from there, and I wish I I wish I did uh a long time ago, but you you had just alluded to is that what you were talking about when you said you were coming to us or coming to me?
35:18
SPEAKER_02: Is that you said something?
35:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, we so it was around that time, probably.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: It was a little bit before that actually.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: Um and we didn't know you by face, we just knew you from the radio.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: And we knew we knew your your your other name.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: So you know, we knew Chris O'Brien, or we didn't we didn't know Chris O'Brien, but we thought we did.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh it wasn't I didn't end up uh going to it was John and uh I believe if I'm not mistaken, he and Ed, who is also a drummer piano player.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: So we Ed and I would switch from drums to piano.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: Like we we go in in that band, anyways, in high school, we we switched back and forth.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: And John was uh more of a singer and stuff like that.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: So anyway.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we all played we all played keyboards, all four of us actually as little brothers who who usually played bass, but we all played piano.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: And um and they came to you with that tape.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: It was a tape of two songs that uh John had written, and uh we just were thrilled to have it recorded.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: We had somebody had raised money for us to go record, it was emotional, and uh so we we brought it to you, and you ended up playing it uh I think on 96.9 before it was country.
36:26
SPEAKER_01: It was like a you know pop statement.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: I do remember that, yeah.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: And so that was our biggest, that was our big break.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: So we we talked about that for years.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: We were so proud of that.
36:35
SPEAKER_01: That was so cool.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: Chris O'Brien! So cool.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's awesome.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, um, and so you know, meeting you now these years later, it's uh it's I'm humbled to know you again there, Chris O'Brien.
36:49
SPEAKER_02: I wish Doug would say the same thing, but he just kind of I'm not fooling anybody.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, no, so I wanted to bring that up.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: So uh back to Eric Betancourt because I know you had wanted to um uh talk about him uh a little bit and what he's got going because he's in is he in Texas now?
37:08
SPEAKER_02: Is that what you said?
37:09
SPEAKER_02: He's in Austin, yep.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: So uh to tell tell me about Eric.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Eric is uh he's a force to be reckoned with.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: He the guy, um, for as long as I've known him, he has refused to work the regular nine to five job.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: He's lived his life in music and he's succeeded at it.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's he he grinds, yeah, like any struggling musician does, you know, you you you want to you know not have to go at it so hard, but I mean he's been doing it for I want to say close to 25 years anyways.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: Right and uh that's all he does.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: He just lives and breathes music.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: And uh and of course in Austin to to play out, you gotta earn residencies, and it's it's kind of the the whole it's it's a bigger part than just playing gigs.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: And he's graduated over and over and over again to get where he is.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm more than proud to know him.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm ecstatic to be his best friend.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Uh he and I we we work well together, we get along very well.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: Um and unfortunately, I don't I don't get to see him often, but when I do, it's it's it's it's great.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: He's he's actually planning on coming up uh this summer.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: He keeps threatening to come darken our door for a weekend or something like that.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: So hopefully it happens.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: It would be nice to see him.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen him in a few years.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: So if nobody knows him, hit Spotify, hit the internet, check out Eric Betancourt.
38:34
SPEAKER_01: It's uh he he's like me, where in a sense um we write songs like we don't he has he has a little more of a flavor towards his songwriting.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: I and and but the the two of us we the way we write songs is I like writing this kind of song and then this kind of song.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: And I you know, like I I I don't like keeping the same kind of you know um genre.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's interesting that when you listen to his albums and stuff, they take you all over the place.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's never it's never boring.
39:05
SPEAKER_01: He's he's incredible, and he's one of the best guitar players I've ever known, right?
39:10
SPEAKER_02: Which is the way it should be, uh genre bending, you know.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: It's that's that's i at least for me anyway.
39:15
SPEAKER_02: Um so uh as you say he's on Spotify.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: Are you on Spotify?
39:20
SPEAKER_02: Do you play anywhere?
39:22
SPEAKER_02: Do you are you you know?
39:24
SPEAKER_01: I have a small little corner of Spotify.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: I got three songs up right now.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: Eric help put that on.
39:30
SPEAKER_01: It's it's because of him.
39:31
SPEAKER_01: Um I'm not very aggressive as far as uh pushing myself.
39:35
SPEAKER_01: I I tend to I deal with insecurities and stuff like that, like any artist does it.
39:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:43
SPEAKER_01: And so um songs are out, you know.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: But I uh on Spotify I got three songs.
39:49
SPEAKER_01: There's there's Nations on there.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: There's one called Um When I Die.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: Um and there's uh one that we used to play live in Strange Pleasure.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: I wrote it back in the day when I was playing with them.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: It's called Full Time Teaser.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: It's just a basic rock song.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: Girls love to dance to it, so we play it all the time.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: It's just one of those tunes.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: For some reason, we decided to record it because it was easy.
40:10
SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, just those those three songs are up there.
40:13
SPEAKER_02: I got a couple other questions.
40:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh Doug, I didn't want to uh I didn't want to take over the interview here.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: Did you have anything you wanted to talk to Ryan about?
40:20
SPEAKER_06: I just I just want to know.
40:21
SPEAKER_06: You said you played all the instruments on Nation.
40:23
SPEAKER_01: Is that is that what you're doing I the only thing I didn't really uh do was the the lead guitar and I did there some of the rhythm guitar.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: Eric ended up taking some of my rhythm and making it better.
40:34
SPEAKER_01: But uh he so he does rhythm guitar.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: I think there's a couple uh couple um tracks of me doing rhythm, but all the lead guitar work is Tim.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh but everything else is more or less me, except for the the strings, of course.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: They are uh musicians that have come in and done the parts basically.
40:53
SPEAKER_01: Nothing was scored, they just listened to what I did and they they did it and it worked out great.
40:59
SPEAKER_06: It's yeah, it's found it sounds fantastic.
41:01
SPEAKER_06: How many instruments do you play?
41:05
SPEAKER_01: Um well, I play drums, I play guitar kind of, I you know, mostly rhythm.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm working on my lead stuff, but I it's uh more songwriter stuff.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: Um I can I can mess around with bass.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm not great.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: Um I can sing my singing is vocals are my biggest attribute.
41:24
SPEAKER_01: That's the thing that I'm that I can do that you know I'm proud of and stuff like that.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: As far as other instruments, I mean I can play trumpet.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: I can do um, yeah, it's it's basically uh what what would happen is I get bored with something and I just do something else.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: And I did that since I was a kid.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: I've I've been playing piano since I was like six or seven, and I'm not mastered at it, but I mean if I there's a song that I want to learn, I'm gonna do it.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: Right.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: So it's I I can I can get around anything more or less.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm just one of those guys.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: I I know those guys.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm a tool, I'm a tool.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, so uh do you read music or is it all by ear?
42:08
SPEAKER_01: I used to read better than I can now.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: I haven't done it in like 20 years.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: Um as far as like uh you know, somebody gave me a sheet, it would take me a good day or two.
42:17
SPEAKER_02: Does that sound familiar, Doug?
42:18
SPEAKER_02: Because that's exactly I mean, this is you and I are exactly alike so far.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: Um for every everything that you've said, uh we we share a lot of the same attributes.
42:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it's kind of it's kind of scary, actually.
42:32
SPEAKER_01: We're not in school anymore, so why?
42:36
SPEAKER_02: We're just doing it our ourselves.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: Um like twins separated birth kind of I know we also uh as we're passing in the hallway, we're you I mentioned Dominic and the Lucid.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: So you had you played with Dominic and the Lucid, and I played them extensively on the Backyard Buzz on the rock station for for a long time.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: Um because they were they kept sending me you know different stuff.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: And and uh just to clarify, I never did I never played with Domin and the Lucid.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you didn't?
43:06
SPEAKER_01: No, I thought you were.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: I was not in the band, no.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: No, I was not in the band.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but you know those guys.
43:12
SPEAKER_01: I know them very well.
43:13
SPEAKER_01: They're they're all really good friends of mine.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: We grew up together.
43:15
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Um I once in a while, I think early on, like in the early 2000s, maybe mid-2000s, uh, Dom had come up with an album and and they they were doing some uh vinyl human is I can't remember what album it's on.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: I think I drew the album cover.
43:31
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
43:31
SPEAKER_01: When we when we used to do CDs, remember CDs?
43:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
43:34
SPEAKER_02: So um I should still want to show you the Wall of Tunes here.
43:39
unknown: Yeah.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I never I never legitimately played played with them.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: It was Dominic Lucid, I think, consisted of like uh there was um was Dominic Lavoie, Chuck Gagner on drums, who now is the drummer for uh Ghost of Paul Revere.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, he's yeah, and if you know Chuck.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: You are glad that you know him because he's such a such a character.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: Man, the guy's so hilarious.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: Um Nate Sear from Fort Kent uh played bass.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: And then uh there was kind of in and outs.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh uh Tim Boyer from Madawaska played keys.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: Um and uh towards the end, I think John Nell's Blanchette uh played some guitar and stuff like that.
44:24
SPEAKER_01: So though, you know, they they kind of towards the end there was like in and outs.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, I I grew up with those guys, and again, another another group to check out on Spotify, check out anywhere that you can.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: I think you might have just answered my answer my question because I know they went from Dominic and the Lucid to just the Lucid or something like that.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh and and I was gonna ask you if they're still around, but you kind of just said toward the end there, so they must not be around anymore.
44:49
SPEAKER_01: They're around.
44:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh Dominic's still playing, and um uh Nate moved to uh I think Colorado.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh so he's he's not and of course Chuck is doing his thing.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, uh uh the core, the the Dom Dom was the the songwriter of the song, uh, the the the band.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: And so you know he he's still throwing songs out and stuff like that.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like they've they've uh mature, he's matured in his songwriting.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: The production work has gotten amazing over the the last five, ten years.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: Um every time I hear something new from him, yep, I'm just enamored by it to the point where like I can't even listen to it because it just depresses me.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: You know.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, they uh as far as the lucid, you know, it's not the original members anymore.
45:35
SPEAKER_02: Right.
45:36
SPEAKER_01: But but he's still he's still pumping out music.
45:38
SPEAKER_02: Right.
45:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's get back to you.
45:41
SPEAKER_02: What are your what are your plans for the the near future or the far future?
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Are you gonna I know you're you're always writing, yeah.
45:47
SPEAKER_02: Are you are you planning on putting anything out?
45:50
SPEAKER_02: Are you just kind of resting on your laurels?
45:52
SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
45:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm resting on my laurels more or less.
45:55
SPEAKER_01: I have been I have been for a long time.
45:58
SPEAKER_01: Um for me it's more like uh you know, when we moved back from Portland back in 2010, um I kind of took a break.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to because we were playing so much.
46:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I it I got burnt out a little bit myself personally.
46:12
SPEAKER_02: Um I can't understand that, yeah.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I stepped back and then we had we had our daughter, so that kind of like really solidified me kind of taking a break.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: Um now in the last few years, last like five years, I've been tapping in more wanting to play.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: The urge is is the fire is back.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: Um unfortunately COVID kind of kept putting you know big roadblocks in the way.
46:38
SPEAKER_01: Um but I have been playing out, you know, mostly cover stuff.
46:41
SPEAKER_01: I play with um my brother Randy Sear, uh he's he's a drummer and also a vocalist.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: And uh um once in a while, Adam Willett.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, we know Adam.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: So we do uh we do a uh project called um Unscripted.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: And what it is is we all know a lot of songs individually.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
47:00
SPEAKER_01: And so we just show up to gigs and people yell songs to us.
47:04
SPEAKER_01: And Adam's really good at you know, bringing pulling up lyrics on his phone and looking at chord progressions, and I can just follow along.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: Or, you know, if I know a song, you know, I'll just do it, and he follows along.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: It's it's so much fun.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: The banter is amazing.
47:18
SPEAKER_01: It's just it's a good time.
47:19
SPEAKER_01: Like anytime that we play, it's always like refreshing because it's it's like, geez, we we still can do that.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: Like I it reminds me of you know, we we have chops and and which I forget often.
47:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh, but yeah, that's that's that's fine.
47:32
SPEAKER_01: But that's the only thing I'm doing right now.
47:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm not really um I'm I'm kind of writing here and there in my head.
47:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, melodies are constantly going.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: It's just it's kind of you know, it's one of those things.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting on the edge of the river right now, basically.
47:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
47:46
SPEAKER_01: Wanting to jump in, but not ready.
47:48
SPEAKER_02: I gotcha.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: I gotcha.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: I want to give you a little tip.
47:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, next time you're playing with unscripted, after you finish every song, just do this.
47:55
SPEAKER_02: Woo! Woo!
47:58
unknown: Woo!
48:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, honest to God, I think we do.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: And I think everybody watching this does too.
48:09
SPEAKER_02: That's so awesome.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: That's so awesome.
48:13
SPEAKER_02: All right.
48:14
SPEAKER_02: So uh while we got you right here, if you've got a if you've got a second, uh, what we normally do, I know you've listened to the podcast before.
48:21
SPEAKER_02: Um we do the wall of tunes.
48:22
SPEAKER_06: Um you're the one.
48:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
48:26
SPEAKER_02: We do the wall of tunes.
48:27
SPEAKER_02: I have a uh a wall of CDs here, and I'm just gonna kind kind of close my eyes and grab a CD and and we'll talk about well, actually you'll try and guess who it is, um, and then we'll kind of talk about that artist uh for a little while, and um we'll go from there and then we we wrap up the podcast.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: So uh we'll do that right now.
48:48
SPEAKER_02: So um you don't have to close your eyes because we're on Zoom.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: Uh but actually you probably might want to close your eyes because I'm gonna stand up and I'm in my PJs.
48:56
SPEAKER_06: You say you're wearing pants.
48:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm wearing pants, but they're PJ pants.
49:00
SPEAKER_02: So bear with me for a second.
49:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you can't see them anyway.
49:06
SPEAKER_02: You see my belly.
49:08
SPEAKER_01: I'd rather see your pants.
49:13
SPEAKER_04: Alright.
49:16
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
49:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I got one.
49:17
SPEAKER_02: Okay, this is it.
49:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: Cool.
49:20
SPEAKER_02: Alright, so Doug, why don't you uh why don't you start and then Ryan will get the hang of it?
49:26
SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay.
49:27
SPEAKER_06: Uh is it a solo artist or is it a band?
49:30
SPEAKER_02: It is a band.
49:31
SPEAKER_06: It is a band, okay.
49:32
SPEAKER_02: Ryan, you got a question.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: Is it a female singer or a male singer?
49:38
SPEAKER_02: Male singer.
49:39
SPEAKER_06: Male singer.
49:40
SPEAKER_06: Uh, what genre are we talking?
49:42
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna call it rock and roll.
49:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, rock and roll.
49:48
SPEAKER_06: You don't sound sure.
49:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean they they had a they had a hit.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: I actually had a couple of hits on pop radio, but I think they're more or less a rock band.
50:01
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: How many members of the band?
50:08
SPEAKER_06: Three any virtuosos in the band?
50:19
SPEAKER_02: Um when you say virtuos, they're all really good at their instruments.
50:25
SPEAKER_02: Um I would say all equally virtuosic.
50:28
SPEAKER_02: Is that a word?
50:30
SPEAKER_02: Close enough.
50:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
50:34
SPEAKER_06: Boys.
50:36
SPEAKER_02: But then you don't you don't know any of them like as a standout.
50:40
SPEAKER_02: You know, you don't you don't know any of them individually.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: They're known as a group.
50:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
50:45
SPEAKER_02: Are they American?
50:47
SPEAKER_02: Um I think they're American, but they're not I don't think uh that's a good question, because I don't know this, but they're from I believe they're Mexican descent.
50:58
SPEAKER_06: Oh, I know what is it?
51:00
SPEAKER_06: It's Los Lobos.
51:01
SPEAKER_06: No, you're close though.
51:03
SPEAKER_06: Am I close?
51:04
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
51:05
SPEAKER_06: Oh, is it the fabulous Thunderbirds?
51:07
SPEAKER_06: Nope.
51:12
SPEAKER_06: Oh no, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, no, sorry.
51:15
SPEAKER_06: It's not my turn.
51:16
SPEAKER_06: Go ahead, go ahead, Ryan.
51:19
SPEAKER_02: My goodness.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: He was he was close with I'll I'll give you this hint and this might give it away.
51:23
SPEAKER_02: He was Lobos?
51:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was close with Los.
51:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh, uh Los Lonely Boys.
51:33
SPEAKER_02: Los Loneboys!
51:34
SPEAKER_04: Yes!
51:36
SPEAKER_02: All right, good guys.
51:37
SPEAKER_02: Yes, Los Lonely Boys.
51:38
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the album that I chose, you probably uh don't know about.
51:42
SPEAKER_02: Actually, Doug, you didn't go to this with me, did you?
51:44
SPEAKER_02: This uh show they had that CPAC.
51:47
SPEAKER_06: One that they did have CPAC?
51:48
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
51:48
SPEAKER_06: No, I didn't go to that one.
51:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this is uh I'll show it to you.
51:52
SPEAKER_02: This is it's an EP, it's a five-song EP, and it's signed by the band because I went to I felt so bad because they did this tour.
52:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think it was to promote this album, I guess.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: This is an album of covers called 1969, and they do some classic, uh, classic rock songs on here.
52:14
SPEAKER_02: Um they came to the Caribou Performing Arts Center, and it was so poorly promoted, it was like they rolled into town, got out of their bus, and set up for the show, and I think there were 30 people there.
52:35
SPEAKER_02: It was so but the 30 people that were there got an amazing show.
52:42
SPEAKER_02: Because you know, Ryan, it's it's funny because I th when I think of that show, I think of the band that you guys were in when you came to ATLC that day at Baptist Park because it was No, well honestly, because it was tight.
53:00
SPEAKER_02: The harmonies were uh blood harmonies, obviously, because they're all brothers, I believe.
53:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh Gar uh Garza, Henry, and the other two guys.
53:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh but it was like an acoustic performance.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, and they did like, well, here, what's on this album?
53:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh Evil Ways, um, which is of course is Santana.
53:20
SPEAKER_02: Well Alright, which is Blind Faith.
53:22
SPEAKER_02: She came in through the bathroom window, the Beatles poke Salad Annie, Tony Joe White, and Roadhouse Blues from the Doors.
53:27
SPEAKER_02: This is just their so it's Henry Garza, Jojo Garza, and Ringo Garza.
53:32
SPEAKER_02: Ringo plays drums.
53:35
SPEAKER_02: No.
53:37
SPEAKER_02: But I mean, they were obviously famous for uh uh How Far is Heaven, right?
53:42
SPEAKER_02: That was one of their big hits, and they had another two or three uh singles, I think.
53:48
SPEAKER_06: Uh they had a they had a bunch off that that that first album.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: Um and I have that too, but I can't uh I don't know where it is up on this one.
53:55
SPEAKER_06: Don't ask me what the name of it was, because I don't remember.
53:58
SPEAKER_02: Um one was like a like a waltz almost.
54:01
SPEAKER_02: It was I wish I could you know what I I have the technical.
54:05
SPEAKER_06: You know, it reminded me of like a Richie Allen's uh Yes Allen, you know, like Donna or something like that.
54:11
SPEAKER_02: Yes, uh I'll tell dude.
54:13
SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you exactly what it is.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: Hold on a second here.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh and and they are still the they're not active anymore, apparently.
54:19
SPEAKER_02: Uh it because uh I'm looking at the Wikipedia and it says years active uh two uh 1996 to 2019.
54:25
SPEAKER_02: So I'm not sure what uh they can't COVID.
54:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah uh Jojo Garcia kills everything.
54:32
SPEAKER_02: Jojo Garcia announced he was leaving the group in 2019.
54:35
SPEAKER_02: The future of the band is uncertain.
54:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see, where is it?
54:39
SPEAKER_02: Where is it?
54:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking for singles here.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh and they're not telling me.
54:45
SPEAKER_02: Let's just go this this one right here.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh so there was How Far is Heaven?
54:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh More Than Love was one of them.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: Um Velvet Sky, I think, was but I think what you're thinking of is more than love.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh hold on a second here.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: Ba da ba la la bamba.
55:09
SPEAKER_05: Oh, they're great.
55:12
SPEAKER_05: Wrong loss.
55:15
SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh, there we go.
55:30
SPEAKER_02: Is this the one you're thinking of, Doug?
55:32
SPEAKER_02: I can't hear anything, man.
55:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you can't hear anything.
55:39
SPEAKER_02: Well, trust me, it's the one you're thinking of.
55:40
SPEAKER_06: Oh no, it's not the same one up there.
55:45
SPEAKER_02: It almost sounded like Donna, right?
55:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this one opened.
55:48
SPEAKER_06: I mean, it was in that vein, you know what I mean?
55:49
SPEAKER_06: That is uh, you know.
55:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna play a little bit of it until it gets to the chorus here.
55:57
SPEAKER_02: So don't talk.
56:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're missing it.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: It's really good.
56:16
SPEAKER_02: I can't see you right now because I'm watching the YouTube video.
56:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
56:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure this is the one you're thinking of.
56:30
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so actually, let me do that while I have it right here.
56:40
SPEAKER_02: Let me just do this real quick so everybody remembers who I'm talking about.
56:51
SPEAKER_02: This is uh this is heaven.
56:53
SPEAKER_02: How far is heaven?
56:55
SPEAKER_02: This is a little piece of it.
57:03
SPEAKER_02: So anyway, what I wanted to tell you was I can't see you.
57:07
SPEAKER_02: Now I can see you.
57:08
SPEAKER_02: Are you making fun of me?
57:13
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to know.
57:14
SPEAKER_02: I missed it.
57:15
SPEAKER_02: I completely missed it.
57:16
SPEAKER_06: Oh, it's just funny because you keep going.
57:17
SPEAKER_06: It look it looks like you're listening to it.
57:19
SPEAKER_01: And Ryan and I were just like I hear the fish tank in the other room.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: So so uh I don't know if you knew this, but the beginning lick of that, this is just an insider thing.
57:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh the beginning lick of heaven.
57:43
SPEAKER_02: It's also the same uh chords as Brown Eyed Girl by Van Morrison.
57:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh, no kidding.
57:47
SPEAKER_02: As the intro.
57:48
SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
57:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
57:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh so what else?
57:54
SPEAKER_02: That's it, I guess.
57:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, so Lost Lonely Boys uh is the record of the uh week, 1969.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
58:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh we're gonna end our interview with uh the great Ryan Sear.
58:06
SPEAKER_02: And Ryan, I'll I'll probably see you at work tomorrow.
58:08
SPEAKER_02: Um the more I talk to you, the more I'm convinced that we should write a song together or something.
58:14
SPEAKER_02: Yes, we should do something together.
58:16
SPEAKER_06: Um you want to be in our band?
58:20
SPEAKER_06: We're starting the bandbag.
58:23
SPEAKER_06: Let's do it.
58:25
SPEAKER_02: But seriously, but seriously, you know, just something for fun.
58:27
SPEAKER_02: We'll just get together and and play or whatever, you know.
58:30
SPEAKER_02: It'll be fun, I think.
58:32
SPEAKER_02: Because Doug and I Doug and I are always looking for somebody just to hang with and and and shoot, you know, uh songs back and forth and stuff.
58:39
SPEAKER_06: So yeah.
58:41
SPEAKER_02: So we'll uh next time we're we're together and we're doing something like that, we'll invite you and and maybe we'll we'll figure something out.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, I'd be up for that.
58:49
SPEAKER_02: I really appreciate you coming on, man, and uh and shed light on uh your musical history and uh giraffe and that amazing song Nation.
58:57
SPEAKER_02: And uh uh look for Ryan Sears.
58:59
SPEAKER_02: Is it under Ryan Sear on Spotify?
59:01
SPEAKER_01: Or is it Yeah, it's right it's under Ryan Sear.
59:03
SPEAKER_01: You'd probably be easier to find if you did like Ryan Sear Nation and it pops up.
59:08
SPEAKER_01: There's a the the album cover was uh drawn by the daughter of a good friend of mine.
59:12
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember her name.
59:13
SPEAKER_01: I I feel terrible that I can't remember.
59:15
SPEAKER_01: But anyways, uh the it's a it's a picture of uh an eagle in gold, and uh I don't know, it so yeah, if you if you search Ryan Sear Nation, it'll pop up.
59:26
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
59:27
SPEAKER_01: Three songs, three songs.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: One uh When I Die is is has a an explicit word in it.
59:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so just a warning for everybody.
59:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh no! Just one word, it's just one word.
59:37
SPEAKER_01: This uh mute for a second.
59:38
SPEAKER_02: This this zoom call is gonna end here in a second, so I just didn't want to get cut off.
59:42
SPEAKER_02: So thank you again for uh for being a part of the podcast, and uh I will talk to you tomorrow.
59:46
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Ryan.
59:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
59:47
SPEAKER_01: Nice to meet you, Doug.
59:48
SPEAKER_01: Nice meeting you too, man.
59:49
SPEAKER_01: All right, brother.
59:50
SPEAKER_01: Join our band.
59:51
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
59:53
SPEAKER_02: Bye.
59:54
SPEAKER_04: See ya.
59:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
59:57
SPEAKER_02: So tell me, all the stuff that he was saying, and and it's almost like that interview that we had with uh Jeff Middleton from Nashville.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_02: It was like talking to the same person.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah, I I literally think you two were separated at birth at some point.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_06: And I think it's one of those uh it's like uh those, you know, those psychic connections, like that secret language that twins have.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_06: You know what I mean?
1:00:25
SPEAKER_06: It's like you guys were like you guys were like cosmically connected.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_06: You know what I mean?
1:00:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_06: Everything he was saying, I was like, good lord, it could be you saying.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: I think but I think you know, I wonder if that's just it's but you're a creative person, and you don't you I was gonna say I think I I wonder if it's just a uh a a creative person thing that they deal with all the time, but you're a creative person and not really.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_06: Well you are, you are well to an extent, but not like not like you guys.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_06: I just I wonder if I mean my creativity is like here and you guys are like you know what I mean?
1:01:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's true, but uh I do think it's a I do think it's a thing.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_02: And the fact that this and the fact that this guy is in my songwriting class just blows me away still.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_02: And he he wasn't in it last week because he was he wasn't feeling well, but he's gonna be in it tomorrow night.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, we're recording this on Tuesday, so yeah, he'll be in it.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_06: Uh how'd the first one go, by the way?
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it went to it went pretty well actually.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_02: I didn't think we were gonna take up the whole two hours.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_02: Um but you know what I like about it is it's really just because I only have uh I have Ryan, I have uh uh uh another gentleman um and two ladies.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_02: So I only have four people.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_02: But I just I was just notified that someone is is joining the the group, so I'll have another guy in there.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_02: So I've got five people.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_02: Um I only had three last week because um obviously uh Ryan was was sick and I didn't have the other guy who is now a new member.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_02: Um so so I'll have five tomorrow night.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_02: Um but what I like about it is it's more um we're just talking about songs, you know, and what it is about songs that draws us in, what we like about them, you know.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_02: So it's not like well this is how you do it and uh this is how you do that and this because it's different for everybody.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_02: You know, and I and I point that out uh at the very beginning.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_02: What's what's interesting about tomorrow night's class is because I I kind of it's it's very interactive.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_02: I I I talk about myself a a lot.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_06: Well I would be disappointed if it wasn't.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_02: I talk about myself initially just to kind of get the ball rolling and and and and uh you know I talk about the things that I like and and the things that I've done and blah blah blah blah.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_02: But then I turn it over to them and I say, What have you done and what what brings you here and and and so I go one by one and then I have them pick a song um that um they like if I if I asked you to play me one song that uh shows where you want your songwriting to go.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_02: You know, uh one song that that just kind of speaks for you or speaks to you, and you hop you want someone to hear that song so that they can appreciate it the way you do.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_02: And so I I say that in the very beginning of the of the class and have them think about it, and then I play them my song, which was the indigo girls ghost.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_02: And then I talk about how I just think it's it's brilliantly written and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_02: And then they go to their songs.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_02: So I did all this last week, I didn't get to do it with r with Ryan, and I didn't get to do it with this this new gentleman, John, who's gonna be joining the class tomorrow.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_02: So I'm I'm gonna spend some time with those guys because I want to get their input as well uh tomorrow night.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna put them on the spot a little bit and kind of ask the same questions.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_02: So it's gonna be a little bit of a it's gonna be a little bit of a uh refresher for the people that were there last you know last week.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_02: But then what I want to do, maybe I shouldn't be giving this away, but we're gonna do some word association things.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_02: And I had them uh come up with uh a few possible song titles.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_02: That was their homework.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_02: And so I'm gonna put all those song titles in a hat, I'm gonna pick one, and we're gonna write a song tomorrow night.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be fun.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna try to.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_02: And it's not gonna be it may we may not finish it, but that's okay.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_02: It's just an exercise, you know.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_02: So it'll be Yeah, absolutely.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_02: It'll be kind of cool.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_02: Um I've got so I've got a uh an older gentleman, he's in his sixties.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_02: I've got Ryan, who's just a little bit younger than me, I think.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_02: Um I've got uh another lady who is in her forties.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_02: She's she's probably my age, maybe a little bit younger.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_02: Um and I've got and then I've got a young lady who's a sophomore in high school.
1:04:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh uh that's but quite uh it is it is and then I've got I've got this new guy, John, who's joining, and John is probably in his 30s, late 20s, early 30s, I think.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_02: Um the the sophomore in high school is a Beatles freak.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_02: She's a George Harrison freak.
1:05:09
SPEAKER_02: And all she listens, yeah, all she listens to is the Beatles, George Harrison, uh, and classic rock.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_02: And and she's just she's awesome.
1:05:17
SPEAKER_02: She was born too late, man.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she was.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_02: So so and and I think she was a little nervous about the class, and I was too, to be honest with you.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_02: But uh she's uh I she's gonna fit in really well, and I think uh it's just discussion, man.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_02: I mean, and we go over, you know, um the mechanics and the structure of songs and and just you know different methods of writing them and and and things like that.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_02: But it's mostly just hey, did you hear have you ever heard this song?
1:05:43
SPEAKER_02: No, well, it's awesome.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_02: Well, let me play it.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_02: And we play songs, you know, and it's just we appreciate it's more it's a lot of uh music appreciation.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_02: So that's that's pretty cool.
1:05:53
SPEAKER_06: Oh that's good, that's good.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_06: That's what you want.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_02: But I I I said at the very beginning of it, I said this is a very selfish.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_02: thing for me because I don't get to talk to people about this.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_02: I talk to you about it.
1:06:07
SPEAKER_02: But that's about it.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_02: And so it's it's kind of a way to uh get my creative juices flowing uh and maybe inspire them to try and and and do something as well.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_02: So it's it's working out well so far.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_02: I've only had one class.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_02: I've got uh three more to go.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_02: Um but uh it'll be it'll be four weeks?
1:06:26
SPEAKER_02: Four weeks yep.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_02: Oh okay I thought it was longer than that nope four weeks and and I may do it again.
1:06:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't know I'm just just kind of shooting the breeze.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_02: But it'll be cool to have Ryan in in that group so I'll be interested to get some insight from him.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_02: So I dude is cool man.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_02: And I'm serious.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm serious.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_06: I think we should uh I think we should get together and try and I mean I don't want to force anything but uh I I'd be Oh no but I mean if he was I'd be willing to leave the band so he can have a spot I'll be like I'll be like uh Ryan you play all the instruments and I'll be in the audience enjoying it.
1:07:08
SPEAKER_06: Wait a second uh do you play bass?
1:07:11
SPEAKER_02: I can I I do a little bit I mean I know some notes but it'd be more like remember when we were listening to ACDC it was like dum dum dum and I've always been saying to Shane you know this song could use some dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum I could do that you just you just get algebra make sure their the chord changes are slow so I can find a note hey do you hear that new band every song is really slow it's really good all right so that was a good episode that was uh uh season five episode thirteen uh great to have Ryan here on the podcast and uh we'll try and get some more guests uh the rest of the season as well so all right man uh next time hopefully you'll be here in the fun dungeon if it doesn't back in the fun dungeon man if we don't uh get snowed on again um yeah we haven't had much luck lately so I know I feel it next week is gonna be good yeah I I it is it's Valentine's oh next week is Valentine's Day yeah so you can like just spritz into chocolate will be my Valentine isn't Valentine's Day the worst holiday for you don't you hate Valentine's Day I absolutely hate it yeah I know it's all part of the greeting card flower cartel right it's you know you know military industrial crap complex so we should have a we should have a Valentine themed podcast though because it is Valentine's Yeah absolutely how much we hate it how stupid it is I'll have my let's let's talk about how St.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_03: Valentine was massacred so if you want to take your lady out for something special take her to a murder maybe I'll have my Valentine on the podcast I'm sure she'd love that oh and yeah that could go very badly for you I know you cannot tell my wife you cannot tell my wife all right man uh we'll do it again uh next week so uh until then I'm O'Brien I'm Douglas by everybody replaced by Ryan Searby O'Brien and Ryan the O'Brien and Doug podcast is brought to you in part by MojurMultimedia.com KMH music at press command the link cut up in Westfield Bay and Doug's coming with make sure to follow O'Brien and Doug on Facebook Instagram and YouTube drop them an email anytime at O'Brienanduck at gmail.com folks is asked me if you had it to do over again would you do it the same way?
1:10:12
SPEAKER_05: I reckon I would