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Fight Night - Smokey Saint & Brett Keane VS World · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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I ain't a preacher, but I walk with the Lord, Bible in the
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truck and my hand on the sword. July 4th, fire popping in the
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sky. But it's prayer that keep my
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people lifted high. I'm a father, a husband, a
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Rockford affair, physically drained, working all night to
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provide what I can. I ain't.
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Rich, but I'm rich in the truth. Taught my kid to fear God since
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they came out the womb. The womb grew up where the
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street corners wisp songs and the stars above Texas same
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freedom songs. I ain't perfect but I strive to
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be strong in the land that scripted so far from God.
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They pushing poison to our babies through the screen while
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good men get mocked for say and what they mean but.
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I ain't backing down. I'm 10 toes in, build a legacy
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with sweat and a Holy Ghost screen.
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I don't fall through the storms, stayed on my feet, devil
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throwing heat but I won't retreat cause a man's got a duty
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protect. What's he is and?
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Train up a child in the way he should live.
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Got a queen on my side. Kids in the back cross on my
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chest, the word in my stack. Every brick I lay, every roof I
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raise. I'm shouting freedom.
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And Jesus said a world gone crazy.
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Need a safer land for the little ones.
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Feet where they ain't groomed by the field.
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Phony digital streets. I ain't talking politics.
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I'm preaching the blood that set men free and still washes the
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mud. America's sick but.
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She ain't too. Far gone if the Saints rise up
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and get back to the sun. So like that grill, but don't
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forget the name. More than red, white, blue is
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what it turned early real. Osprey 316 not ashamed of the
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name. I don't ride for the cloud, I
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don't ride for the fame. I ride for my king.
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And I die for my seed. And I pray that my voice plants
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faith like a seed. So cheers to the fathers that
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grind every day, to the Mamas that pray when their baby stray.
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This land ain't perfect, but I still believe that revival gone
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sweep from the mountains to the seas.
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Yeah, Osprey 3/16. I ain't preaching tradition, I
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ain't preaching tradition. I'm preaching the red letters
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that swore from his mouth sharper than never.
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They tell you grace me and do what you want.
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No, that ain't gospel, that's fraud free grace.
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That's a chain with no key said. You pray the little prayer now
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you forever free. Back in the 1900s man made
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inventures. Ain't Hodges and Ryrie got
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honorable mention, but the church Fathers ain't none of
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them by it. No ignatures.
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No Clement never tried to deny it.
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They taught repentance, obedious fire, not a lazy man's gospel
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that feeds your desire. You say Jesus don't require a
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change in your path and you ain't read the words that came
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from his wrath. Luke 13 three retain the perish.
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That's a quote from the Christ y'all claim to cherish.
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He said take up your cross, not coast on believe.
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He said if you love me, obey my commands.
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No relief that ain't works for salvation.
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There's fruit from the sea free grace got you stopping when your
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soul need to feed not Grace ain't free if it cost him his
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blood. So don't trample that gift in
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the lukewarm flood. Matthew 721 He warned them all.
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Not everyone who calls me Lord gonna answer the call.
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He said do the will of the Father.
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That's the condition. But.
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Free grace got them thinking there's no such submission faith
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without works that's James 217 dead as the doctrine they
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selling on screen. You quote Paul, but you're
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twisting this meaning Romans 612.
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He said stop with this scheme and shall we send that grace may
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about God forbid get y'all teaching like his gospel for
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belly his kids. Y'all preachers ain't shepherds.
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Y'all wolves in the midst promoting easy belly visible
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with the devil is twist by 16. They profess but deny got a
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cross on their neck, but deception and now you might
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repent us you stop cut the fear, but Proverbs once that your
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destruction is you hate correction, you flee from the
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fight, but Revelation 319 he rebukes those he likes.
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He said take up your cross, not coast on belief.
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He said if you love me, obey my commands.
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No relief. That ain't works for salvation.
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Not everyone who calls me log on an Asian call grace saying a
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license is saying that's the money his power to walk in his
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will. This I kind of Titus 21112 grace
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teachers to deny ungodliness worthy lush.
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I still want to fly but why is the gate and easy to roll?
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Matthew 713 where destruction explodes never was the way and
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few will find it Free grace leads to hell.
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Don't cosign it true grace and powers and don't excuse it
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breaks every chain. It ain't dead of abuse.
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So I stand on the rock. Not the not doctors from Dallas,
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but the word that trance says. So beware of the wolves.
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They come in disguise. They sell you a gospel that
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Jesus denies. I was 3/3/16.
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I changed my stance. Repentance, obedience.
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It's your last chance. They ask me where's your love is
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in truth. I speak.
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I don't pet no lies just to make y'all weak.
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Let the spirit convict. Let the blood make you clean.
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But don't you treat grace like a money machine.
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I'm done. Revelation 2214.
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Blessed are they who do His commandments, not just dream.
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Sorry this muted. Sorry about that.
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Welcome, everyone. Happy 4th of July to everyone
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out there. Sorry.
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Got the meat going. Hope the audio is coming in OK.
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We're still working on shared mic situation.
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We're still working on getting up the shared set up here to
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make it work. But can you hear us OK?
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Brett, how you doing? Yeah, I can hear you.
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I'm happy 4th of July, both of you.
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Happy 4th of July. Good to see you.
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Thanks for popping in. Well, we're just doing a general
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hangout night. Not sure how long we were
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intending to do it, but you know, some chum in the waters
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and see if any sharks want to show up.
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So here we are, open stream. I know it's 4th of July and
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happy 4th to everyone. Maybe everyone's out doing
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barbecues or looking at fireworks and stuff like that.
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And we decided to take a little bit of time and go and open it
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up. Maybe even do AQ and A OR.
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Everyone wants to ask questions or do challenges but we are here
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at me and and the missus Missus Smokey St. is of course joining
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me. I assume Dave might be asleep?
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I don't know. I didn't check with Dave.
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I know he set up some sort of stream a little while ago so he
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might be popping in. But anyway, how you doing over
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there Brett? How's your day treating you?
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Still a little tired because I took an allergy pill earlier.
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I do have to ask. I don't know if you look in
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private yet, but if I don't desire to fight with people, am
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I still allowed or should I sit in my corner?
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Yeah, I know you're fine. You're fine.
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If you don't want to get in on the fight, you're not obligated.
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It's more an open invitation for anyone that would like to fight.
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And certainly there's a lot of people that like to run their
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mouths. But well, Bruce is another
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another example which Brett and me and the misses all at the
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showdown the almighty Bruce referred the other night.
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I'm editing videos still about it because I'm going to post a
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few more over the next few days. But yeah, yeah, no, you don't
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have to get in the fight if you don't want to breath.
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It's totally fine. I definitely don't want to get
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into it with Bruce because he's like a broken record.
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It's always the same stuff. I tell him.
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Can you be more creative, make some more shut up or something?
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Goodness gracious. We, I, I was made aware of the
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existence of a video. I'm hesitant to even want to
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mention it, but I, I mentioned it out of shame for Bruce
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because like, really dude, Like really, you know, And there is a
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video of Bruce, for lack of a better term, I, I, I, I'm even
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ashamed to even describe. What it is?
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But he's doing something foul and perverse to a teddy bear.
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That's some sort of point. I don't know exactly what point
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he was trying to make. Maybe Bruce could show up
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tonight and enlighten us as to what point he was making by
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fisting a teddy bear with a wooden shoe.
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You know, he could come maybe explain what grand theological?
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What is it? Where's Jesus?
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Where's Jesus in that? So Bruce actually recorded a
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video fist banging a teddy bear with a wooden shoe with a wooden
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shoe, Yes. Sodomizing teddy bear with a
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clog. That's the thing.
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That's the thing that exists in the world, that that's something
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that Bruce at one point decided to do and, and, and videotape
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and, and upload on the Internet. And now it's there for everyone
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to know that he does that. He's a moral authority.
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Well, clearly. Well, no.
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Well, Bruce says you can do it. Of course you.
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Can. Yeah.
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Where's Jesus? Yeah, where's Jesus?
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Certainly wasn't inside the teddy bear, I'll tell you that
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much Did. You find them.
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I did not see the teddy bear action for sure.
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Well. It's something else you can
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find. It on.
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Basement dweller I believe. I think basement.
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Ryan uploaded it. I think basement has it too,
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but. Ryan, as long as Chandler.
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Ryan showed it to me the other day and I couldn't even believe
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it. Like, what is this?
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It's really. Yeah.
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Really, Bruce? Really.
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Yeah. No, it wasn't a panda.
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It's not Bill Cuthbert. It wasn't a panda.
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It was a regular, It was a regular teddy bear.
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So no, I'm not going. No, the only one.
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I'm not going to, No, no. It's the 4th of July.
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We don't need to. We don't need to drag it down
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with that. Those birds are going to drive
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me absolutely insane. Garbage disposal.
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Can you do me a favor and just go cover them with the God damn
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blanket? Yes, it's early enough.
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That's that's going to, that's going to be insane.
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I. Can just.
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If you could real quick, just so besides the teddy bear lover,
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was there someone in particular you were going to argue with
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tonight? No, I mean, I didn't really put
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out any specific invitation. You know, there's always a list
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of anyone that runs their mouths and, you know, wants to come and
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defend any of the garbage that they say.
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You know, that would be totally fine.
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But no, I didn't put out any specific invitations tonight.
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I mean, you know, any of the free gracers, of course, are
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always welcome. Had a little weird, bizarre
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interaction with a free gracer today.
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I I swear, it's almost like they don't know how to read English.
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It's, it's a very bizarre, very bizarre exercise arguing with
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the free gracers many times. So why do you think this
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conversation gets so intense with people on this level?
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Why? Why aren't people able to just
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gather together and discuss it? Because you can't have a civil
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conversation when you know you're wrong.
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You have to get down in the dirt and get filthy with it.
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You know, there's a there's an emotional attachment to this
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theology. I think many times that they
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kind of need this to be true. Because there's something that
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they're doing that they don't want to give up, generally.
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They're latched on. Alcoholic or.
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Hidden sins of all various types or, or kinds that they don't
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want to break or can't break. And this is a real, comfortable,
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easy way to kind of remove all sense of accountability from
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yourself, you know, to, you know, basically make it seem
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like there's no real obligation for any, you know, action or,
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or, or keeping to the Holy Spirit or keeping to
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sanctification. It's just, it kind of removes,
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you know, every aspect of personal accountability to the
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path of salvation, which I find bizarre because unless you're a
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Calvinist, you know, everyone would affirm at the very
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beginning you at least have to do something.
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You have to believe you know so. That's not.
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The Philippian jailer, you know, said, well, you know, what must
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I do to be saved so well, you got to believe so.
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I mean, they must should, I would think, at least agree.
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There's at least one thing you have to do, which is believe and
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praise uses these weird things. It's not.
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Doing something? Now what did he say?
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It's it's not work. It's.
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Not work. It's an action.
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Yeah, that so you know, but whatever I.
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The receiving metaphor from Dave.
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I love that. Yeah, Dave.
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Dave had a whole thing he did about, you know, when you're
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receiving, you're not really doing any things.
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The free gracers say that like if you're receiving, not doing
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it. God I wish Dave was here so he
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could do. It Yeah, he doesn't.
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Really I should go clip? That out.
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But yeah, it's like, well, I, I took the job in receiving so I
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don't have to do fucking anything.
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What the fuck's wrong? With yeah, like if you work in a
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factory and you work in receiving.
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Yeah, I'm a Free Grace employee. I don't do fucking anything.
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What do you think, you idiot? Yeah.
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Like, yeah, the trucks are unloading all the shipments and
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you're in receiving, so you just stand there.
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Yeah, I'm in receiving, I don't. Do anything I'm receiving?
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First, Jesus. Where is Jesus?
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Where's Bruce? He was supposed to show up.
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Yeah. Where's Bruce?
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I want to know where Bruce is. Yeah.
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Yeah. Where's Bruce?
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We're we're going to be spending quality time with the teddy
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bear, you know. Oh.
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Bruce's long-suffering wise. Maybe he should show up.
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We should have a we should have some sort of 4th of July
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question that we should ask. Is it OK to burn the flag?
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What do you think, sweetheart? I don't want to.
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Is it OK? Do I think it's OK ethically?
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No. Do I think that it should be
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illegal? No, because that's a very
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different question. I don't think unethical things
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should inherently be illegal. I think a lot of things are
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unethical, but they shouldn't be illegal.
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Brett, what do you think? Should you be able to burn the
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American flag or should we ship you to Cuba?
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What do you think? Well, I would like to personally
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ship these assholes to Cuba for sure.
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But I, I'm with her on it. I I don't think that if we start
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like, punishing people for this and it kind of takes away
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people's ability to express themselves and do whatever.
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I got to admit, though, I'm very pissed about seeing other people
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running around in our streets with their flags, though, that
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this it crawls on me. Yeah, I agree.
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It's very distasteful. I don't like it.
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I also understand that there's a protection to do it, you know?
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Because what's next then? You can't burn the Quran because
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or the. Other thing, any, any method of
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free speech must be taken with, you know, I think a pretty light
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hand, you know, I mean, there, there has to be some real
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definitive demonstrations of negativity, I think to decide in
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the silencing of any kind of speech because, you know, it's a
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slippery slope and what you say, you know, certain thing is, is
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outlawed. Where do you stop it?
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You know, where do you go? Like, you know, even to the
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point of offensive feelings, you know, that's that's what it's
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turned into these days. You can't say anything.
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Let's offend someone's feelings, you know, and you have to, you
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know, even alter your entire reality to accommodate someone's
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delusion about their gender or their identity or something like
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that. And I don't think that's
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generally particularly helpful, to be honest.
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So not expedient. Well, you know, the same people
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who are burning the flag, if you were to burn their flag, there'd
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be a totally different response. You'd be all over CNN as a hater
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and all this kind of stuff. They'll make up a new phobia.
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It's true. Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah. I mean, you know, Muslims get a
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get a real, you know, problem with you if you're and try to
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draw their profit, you know, that's a that's a big thing
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there's. Draw Muhammad day we should we
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should do a stream for. That just had it.
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I think he's just, oh, that's too bad.
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It's a bizarre thing to draw Muhammad as he's described, you
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know, in actual. We never draw him as described.
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I remember the time me and well did the draw Muhammad stream.
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It definitely wasn't how he's described.
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I did AI did a draw Allah saying once on.
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Stream. Oh well, it's this well.
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Don't you know? Allah is the same as the
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Christian God. Although Allah's got Allah's a
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man and he's got black hair and he's got 2 arms growing out of
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the right side so he doesn't have any left.
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Oh yeah, and there's all this. And he's got a foot, at least
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one foot, we don't know how many feet, but at least one foot.
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He does have 8 foot and it and apparently it's a very glorious
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foot and. There's like some gross things
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that are described right in the Quran, right?
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There's lots about how people were like, formed because
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there's. Clot of blood.
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Wait, what are you talking about?
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Which one? What are you talking about?
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Like they. There were some intimate
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descriptions, right? Because there's something about
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how people were formed. Sam Shamoon talked about this.
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At one time. Well, yeah, like human.
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Human. Well, there's they they talk
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about that with like the scientific miracles of the
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Quran. They talk about how humans are
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basically formed as a clot of blood and where semen comes
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from, which is between the backbone and the ribs, which
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doesn't make any sense. But yeah, apparently between the
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backbone and the ribs is. Didn't didn't God like in their
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version like have both sets of genitalia to?
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Make oh, no, OK, No, no, no, no. OK.
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No. No, I know what you're talking
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about. No, that's, that's about the
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shaytan. That's about OK.
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OK, so I'm thinking of something else because, OK, so at a
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certain point the Muslims had to figure out how it is that
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there's many shaytan because they don't have just one Satan,
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you know, they have many shaytan.
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There's. Somebody else and so.
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Cam connected so this might be a porn bomb so make him.
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Do it well, I'll take care of that.
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No, it's TomTom. I know.
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Oh, I don't know. Who this TomTom?
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Fix your. Fix your thing.
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TomTom is here. No, I know TomTom.
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OK. TomTom is good.
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What was I saying? Oh, no.
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OK, so Dayton so Shaytan. So the Muslims want to describe
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how they have a bunch of shaytan, different satans.
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I'm in the religion. And so they had to, you know,
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basically invent this idea of how Satan reproduces because,
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you know, at the beginning of the story of the Quran, you
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know, at the beginning of the rebellion, you know, only three
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people are cast out of heaven. You have Satan and Adam and Eve.
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That's who's cast out of heaven at the very beginning.
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So Adam and Eve, of course, you know, procreate and they have
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children and, you know, that's the people of the world.
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But then, you know, how did Satan procreate?
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Who is he going to procreate with?
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Well, you go to the top seer of Alcutabi, and Alcutabi tells us
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that when Satan was created, Allah gave him two sets of
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genitalia, one in the right leg and one in the left leg.
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So he's got a vagina in the left leg and he's got a cock.
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In the right leg and when he wants to reproduce, he jumps up
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and down and and fucks himself. Nakash.
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That's actually the word nakash. He fucks himself.
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It's actually the Arabic word to fuck nakash.
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So he nakashes himself and then lays a bunch of eggs and then we
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have more Shaitaan. So yeah, that's and that's,
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that's that's, that's real. That's Islam that.
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I mean, I'm not making that up. That is just what it is.
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So the science, I'm going to have to look bad now.
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I'm going to look, I had a clip on the old channel of it.
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I might be able to search it. Sam talked about it too, yes.
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Sam. Talked about it a bunch.
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Of times it came up in a debate with a Muslim and it was with I
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think it was J Smith or something and it was really
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funny. It was, it was really funny when
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it came. Up, I imagine.
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Yeah, it was pretty. I mean, you could tell.
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This idiot's here again. Get out of here.
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Trade once. Oh, whatever.
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Cares get out. Come in the room or stop all the
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whining and stuff, TomTom. Did you have anything you want
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to contribute? Happy for it, TomTom, even
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though I know you're not. American.
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Yeah. Hello.
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Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you, buddy.
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You're. Good.
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Yeah, I'm glad my headset is working.
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I just wanted to join and say I'm glad that you're back.
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I. Appreciate it.
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It's nice that you recognize me. I'm not a born bomber or.
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Something like that, yeah. Tom-tom found me from the vegan
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debate. That is when I was debating.
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The vegan so. That's yeah.
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I just, I just wanted to say probably you are aware of it,
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but I'll just ask you, did you know that Cosmic Skeptic is not
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a vegan anymore? No.
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Really. Yeah, you're not.
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Oh my God. I did not hear about that.
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I thought he still was. I did not hear about that at
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all. No, no, no.
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Well, he, he sort of strayed away from that probably for
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health reasons. And that's, that's a lot, lot of
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lot, lot of cases where vegans stray away from veganism, even
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though veganism is the morally correct thing to do, right?
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But for health reasons, they abandon the moral 'cause, right?
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Sure. Well, that's that's interesting.
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I guess I can't really use my vegan pig farm video.
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I was going to do either. Hey, Ryan, how you doing?
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I was, I was going to do it. I was actually going to do it
22:44
before the end of the year. I was going to get all that
22:45
together and go grab the clip of him in the debate or he said,
22:48
you know, well, if you're minimizing any animal suffering
22:51
at all, you know, you're vegan. So he approved.
22:55
He approved in my vegan pig farm.
22:56
So you know, I was going to do that.
22:58
It was vegan pig farm. Now what are we talking about
23:01
this time? Oh, you never heard about the
23:03
vegan pig farm? No, I have no idea what this is.
23:07
Tom-tom, you remember the vegan pig fun so.
23:10
Of course, of course I do. So in.
23:12
Indonesia. Concept actually, right.
23:15
So in Indonesia they have these real like, hateful fucking
23:18
lizards, the Komodos, and they, you know, wander.
23:21
Around. And they one of their, you know,
23:23
prime snacks are wild pigs. They they love wild pigs.
23:26
And and it's a horrible thing because when they catch one of
23:29
these pigs, like they have a tendency to just, you know, they
23:31
don't go in for the kill. They just start eating and
23:33
generally they eat this thing asshole out.
23:36
So it's a real horrific. You.
23:38
Know that this, this pig goes through really horrific, you
23:40
know, amount of suffering to basically get eaten by these,
23:43
these goddamn huge hateful lizards.
23:45
So, so I thought the idea was since cosmic skeptic told me,
23:49
Hey, if you do anything, you know, you don't have to
23:51
absolutely minimize or or negate animal suffering altogether in
23:56
your consumption. You just need to decrease it.
23:59
If you do anything to decrease, you know, animal suffering in
24:02
your day-to-day life, congratulations, you're vegan.
24:05
It's had a brilliant idea that I would become a vegan pig farm.
24:08
What I'll do is I'll go to this. You know, place.
24:10
With all the hateful lizards, I'll take all the pigs away from
24:14
the hateful lizards. I'll raise them, I'll feed them,
24:17
I'll give them a comfy environment.
24:19
And then when it's time for them to be slaughtered, I'll dispatch
24:22
them painfully, you know, certainly not feeding them to
24:24
someone asshole out. And I'll dispatch them, you
24:27
know, painfully and easily. And then I will take the
24:30
leftover pig parts that no one wants, feed those of the goddamn
24:33
lizards and take the meat and. Give it to the village.
24:35
And now, now not only have I done something vegan by
24:39
minimizing animal suffering that was there in the environment,
24:43
I've also created a wonderful way to to feed hungry people.
24:47
I'm doing society. It's a completely vegan pig
24:51
farm. I think that's great.
24:53
So. Clever.
24:55
So. But I'll never get to make that
24:57
now because now Cosmic Skeptic has forsaking his veganism.
25:00
I hope he's having a big fat juicy ass steak.
25:04
For. Oh yeah man, throw the brisket
25:08
on the grill for Old Cosmic. Did you see Bill Cuthbert stream
25:12
about the redcoats coming back where he's playing all that?
25:15
Oh, it's, it's on the Super troll archive or I'm about to
25:18
upload it. Yeah, it it was basically just 2
25:22
1/2 hours of whining. It was and and he's and he's
25:26
going on about the the redcoats are coming back as fuck America
25:29
right on the 4th of. July.
25:30
Oh, yeah. I've been telling people this
25:32
for years. Bill hates Americans, yet half
25:34
his crews are American. It's amazing.
25:38
Oh, are you being attacked by the cat?
25:41
Yeah, he's this is not opportunistic right now.
25:42
This is bad timing. Yeah, but the Matt Bell lovers
25:48
are at it again. And that's not the only video I
25:50
have where the disgust Matt Bell.
25:54
Wait, the Matt Bell lovers still?
25:58
Bill Cuthbert, GNG streaming Good News Gospel, That guy.
26:04
Box in my. Car.
26:07
OK, OK. That's not Matt Bell.
26:10
No no, Matt Bell was a Scotch convicted pedophile who was
26:14
friends with Bill and his friends for a long time.
26:16
And they like to slander people as PDF files, right?
26:22
While ignoring the fact that for years they were hanging around
26:26
with someone who was eventually busted for that very same thing.
26:31
Yeah, I had contact with Matt Bell Becker and Nadia Yvette
26:38
Chambers. Oh wow, that's a long time ago
26:41
now. Yeah, that's about 10 years ago,
26:47
yeah. That's.
26:48
Amazing. Well, he was always a
26:49
consummation Scottish bastard. I don't know what else to say.
26:55
Chickens. Yeah, but he was representing,
27:00
in his point of view, Christianity.
27:03
Right, Well, yeah. My point though, is that he had
27:06
a tendency to turn on even the Christians.
27:09
He was just an argumentative Scotch bastard most of the time.
27:15
That's right, yeah. So you you go along way in the
27:20
past as well The Anglican. Yeah, you might say that.
27:25
I mean, I was watching all the great debate stuff.
27:27
I remember what they did to Brett.
27:29
I remember Brett King, the opera that Cytan Atheist did.
27:35
Yeah, the beauty wouldn't. It that was wow, they did that
27:40
too to my buddy Jason Burns. They they were terrible to him.
27:44
I mean, Brett King, how are you even?
27:46
How are you even alive? You must be 14.
27:48
Years old what? Were you saying, Tom, I'm sorry,
27:52
I'm. Sorry, I was making a joke.
27:55
Brett King, you must be 200 years old going.
27:59
Why would I be 200 years old? Am IA vampire now.
28:02
Is that the new rumor? Because because you're going,
28:05
going way, way back in time. Well, I guess no one's going to
28:12
come and challenge you, so it's just going to be the Friday
28:16
night. Shoot the breeze, I guess.
28:20
Well, I guess so, you know, we'll just talk about 4th of
28:23
July stuff and answer just general questions and shoot the
28:26
shit apparently, since the adversaries don't.
28:28
See, fireworks should not be legal all year round.
28:30
Let's have that debate because I've.
28:32
Lived in this. State too long and I hate it.
28:36
I mean, we do have an issue with fireworks.
28:38
Yeah. And there's an issue because
28:40
they, like, I've lived in this, I lived in the state before, I
28:43
lived in New York, and there's an issue where fireworks are
28:46
made legal all year round because people have different
28:49
religious and ethnic holidays. And it's a big need.
28:54
To not allow them to have fireworks for their holidays.
28:57
So instead of learning what those holidays are and making it
29:00
legal on those days, they just make it legal all year round.
29:04
Well, maybe you have something made-up, you know, Funko Pop
29:07
religion where you just, you know, you know, I don't know,
29:10
you fucking set off fireworks every 3rd Saturday or.
29:14
Something I don't know, but but the issue with that is we're so
29:17
close to the Mexican border that all people have is illegal
29:20
fireworks that light people's houses on fire.
29:25
It's true. Yeah, fucking bottle rockets.
29:27
Some cities get really hard nosed about it.
29:29
Fresno is horrible about that. Like people we have like 1000
29:34
fires every year. Fresno like it's.
29:37
Nuts. No, it's true.
29:38
I'm so glad I don't look anymore.
29:40
Welcome AIDS, How you doing man? Hey I'm doing fine, how are
29:44
y'all? I'm all right, buddy, I'm all
29:46
right. I guess we're just hanging out
29:48
unless anyone wants to challenge or ask questions or anything.
29:52
I don't know entirely what your deal is.
29:53
I know I invited you from somewhere, but I don't remember
29:56
where. I think I was, I don't remember
30:02
where at at this. Point, but it was theology and
30:05
philosophy channel, wasn't it Something with JG like JG?
30:08
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
30:09
You're right. J GS Channel, yeah.
30:12
Yeah, I think that's what it was, yeah, Yeah.
30:14
I didn't really come with any challenge, I was just kind of
30:16
wait and see where the conversation goes and contribute
30:19
as I am able. That's fine.
30:23
Brett's usually good at coming up with questions for people.
30:26
Brett, do you have a 4th of July theme question for everyone?
30:30
Well, I, I wish I could come out with some fluent stuff, but I
30:33
did take the allergy pill. So I'm feeling a little bit like
30:36
oatmeal, but I am enjoying myself.
30:38
I'll work out something, but it's going to be a strain.
30:42
All right, All right. Well, no, that sounds good.
30:46
Well, I don't know. I mean, I was ready for a fight
30:47
tonight. I'm sure if it was going to
30:49
actually happen now. I do have a question.
30:52
Are you like? So are you still like like
30:58
interested in theology and is that is your channel mostly
31:01
geared towards like theological discussions and things like
31:03
that? I would say yes, probably more
31:08
towards Christianity and theology.
31:11
I mean, I will debate atheists, but, you know, I mean, the
31:15
available stock lately has been pretty, you know, undesirable.
31:20
You know, I mean, it's like I'm getting a lot of these people
31:23
that are repackaging, you know, edge Lord garbage arguments from
31:26
the early 2000s or something. You know, it's just so, I mean,
31:30
I would, you know, deal with, deal with, you know, atheist
31:33
agnostics, you know, things like that.
31:35
But right now, yeah, I do think theology is important.
31:39
I do think there's a lot of perverse, really bad, dangerous
31:43
doctrines, false doctrines that are going around and say again.
31:49
Like what? Like I don't really.
31:51
Free grace, yeah, we do spend a lot of time talking about free
31:55
grace. And I think that is just
31:58
perverse and very invasive into the body of Christ and it's very
32:03
dangerous. And I don't, you know, I'm not
32:06
saying that for certain, You know, I think definitively for
32:09
certain someone that has this is unsaved, but I would be very
32:13
worried. It does to me seem like it would
32:15
be a different gospel, an antinomian gospel, a different
32:20
gospel than what was actually preached.
32:22
And plus, I do believe it numbs the conscience, makes someone
32:26
desensitized from their sanctification, their life
32:29
choices, you know, whether they're listening to the Holy
32:31
Spirit or not. So I think it has dangerous
32:34
effects, like it's toxic, it's poisonous, cancerous to the
32:37
soul. So yeah, definitely don't like
32:40
free grace. Not a big fan of Catholicism to
32:45
kind of still working through some things with Orthodox, but
32:48
I'm not crazy about Orthodox either for a few very specific
32:52
reasons. So but.
32:54
Would you would you consider yourself a conditionalist?
32:57
Yes, yes. Yeah, also.
33:03
I I came up with a question for you when we were over at
33:06
Beckel's room. You were talking about the
33:08
knowledge and understanding God has whenever, like you
33:12
mentioned, the fine tuning of the universe.
33:14
I was hoping you might be able to elaborate more on that.
33:17
It seemed like there was a person in the room that was kind
33:20
of distracting the conversation. Well, it was.
33:23
Yeah. Well, and the problem with kind
33:25
of communicating this, I've noticed as I've had this trouble
33:28
with kind of Vecal and Jill in the past, it's very hard to get
33:31
someone out of that deterministic, you know, mindset
33:34
that everything just is as it is.
33:36
Could possibly be another way. The idea of hypothetical
33:39
realities or possible realities kind of just doesn't for some
33:43
whatever reason, they can't even really quantify it or actualize
33:47
it in their brain. And that's just a byproduct, I
33:50
think, of their Calvinism, which is very, very.
33:53
Kind of hard. Line singular, very kind of, you
33:56
know, 1 dimensional or two-dimensional, I guess you
33:59
would say type thinking, you know, very much in the line
34:02
without a lot of real nuance. But you know me, I'm a Molinist,
34:05
so it's very, very different. So some of Echo's challenges and
34:09
statements in his brain appear dichotomous, but they're really
34:13
not, you know, because you when you factor in the idea that God
34:17
isn't required to act upon knowledge that he has.
34:21
And Beckel would have to affirm that this is true.
34:24
Otherwise, why didn't God stop Adam and Eve from from sinning?
34:28
You know, clearly if God has knowledge of something in the
34:32
future, he's not obligated to act upon it.
34:35
So that's that's basically where I was trying to get with them,
34:41
but that seemed to be a very hard thing to get through their
34:43
minds. It's the same thing as saying
34:45
like, you know, if you know what the winning lottery numbers are,
34:50
you know you're not a lottery winner unless you actually take
34:53
that knowledge and go buy a ticket, then you're going to be
34:56
a lot. You can choose to not act upon
35:00
knowledge that you have. And the same with God.
35:02
He can know what's going to happen and he can know what's
35:04
going to happen whether he acts or doesn't act.
35:08
And he can have that knowledge of both of those possible
35:11
realities as well as knowing exactly what will happen by by
35:16
product of him acting so. And he knows exactly what will
35:19
happen in reality without having to exhaustively use every aspect
35:24
of his knowledge to bring about what he wants.
35:28
He can lay out the groundwork of reality to bring about its
35:32
ultimate purpose, which is of course, as we all could realize,
35:36
a relationship with him. And as long as that purpose,
35:39
that telos is protected, all the other aspects of reality have to
35:44
fall into place to meet that purpose.
35:46
If something works its way into reality that violates the
35:49
purpose, well then there's no purpose for reality at all.
35:53
And that's the challenge to the Calvinist, is it really does
35:56
remove the telos, the purpose of reality.
35:59
So you got somebody who's got their mic open and it's causing
36:03
a little bit of an act that's disturbing, hopefully.
36:06
They oh, that's that's that Roman Catholic in the corner.
36:09
That's fro. I.
36:11
Bodge I bodge. I didn't know my mic was doing
36:13
that. Froze froze.
36:15
Mic is more spastic than me. So the the moleness you've all
36:20
you've always been. Hold on, You've always been
36:23
really good at knowing all these these different kind of names.
36:27
How did you get into the Mullinist view and what exactly
36:31
does it entail? Because that's the first time
36:34
I've actually heard this. So Mullinism to me was a way to,
36:40
and it's not really a soteriology like Calvinism is or
36:44
Arminianism. Mullinism is more
36:47
all-encompassing. It's kind of is more of a a all
36:52
over general systematic theology that reconciles God's
36:55
relationship with his creation. This is usually dealt with in
37:00
just the shadows, in areas like Tome ISM or Arminianism or even
37:07
Calvinism. You know, the real deeper
37:09
aspects of God's relationship with his creation is usually not
37:13
dealt with super heavily in those other viewpoints.
37:17
And when they do tend to try and deal with it, it gets very messy
37:20
and sloppy and sometimes in the case of Calvinism, could lead to
37:23
full blown modal collapse. So Molanism to me, as I looked
37:28
into the different viewpoints, was the one that made the most
37:31
sense and I could see reconciled God's relationship with his
37:36
reality perfectly and didn't fall victim to things like, you
37:40
know, the problem of evil or the challenge of the existence of
37:43
evil God. You know, Mullenism came in and
37:47
for me synergized perfectly what is revealed in Scripture about
37:52
God's relationship with reality while securing and protecting
37:56
mankind's autonomy to engage in a willful relationship with God.
38:01
And I think that's what gives our relationship with God
38:05
meaning to us is that it is willful, that it is an action.
38:10
It is something that is chosen out of free will.
38:14
Because I don't think that that choice would have any value if
38:17
we didn't have a choice. But the fact that we do have a
38:20
choice, the fact that God created reality with a choice, I
38:22
think is to protect the existence of, of free will given
38:27
love. And I think that's the point of
38:29
reality. So everything about reality
38:32
needs to be structured in a way to protect that.
38:35
And unfortunately that does allow for the emergence of
38:38
deviation because if you have a reality where people can choose
38:41
to love, then you have to accept that that is also a reality
38:44
where they can choose to not love.
38:46
So do you, do you believe that people, modern day Christians or
38:52
disciples of Christ nowadays, could actually be able to
38:55
perform some of the things that disciples in the New Testament
38:58
were able to do? I mean things that some would
39:01
consider supernatural. I can probably interject you a
39:06
little bit, like from my own neck of the woods.
39:09
If you trust a lot of the testimonies of, say, Catholic
39:12
Saints, like, say, Padre Pio, for instance, my answer to that
39:16
would be absolutely yes. But I don't know if Smokey's a
39:18
secessionist or not, so I'm curious to see what his answer
39:21
would be. Yeah, I'm mildly A cessationist,
39:26
at least in the Here's the thing.
39:29
I do think that the gifts as they were present at the time of
39:32
the apostles have faded. It's simply due to the fact that
39:37
they had their utility for their season.
39:39
And I don't even think that this is uncommon.
39:41
And we're talking about the apostles of the peak of their
39:43
ministry. They're raising people from the
39:45
dead. They're healing the sick.
39:46
They're, you know. The blind can see they're doing
39:48
all these radical and crazy, you know, amazing things and
39:51
incredible miracles. But then you get towards the
39:53
tail end of, you know, Paul's ministry and he's suffering with
39:57
some sort of affliction that he apparently.
40:00
You know, doesn't have the power to heal and he's giving
40:02
recommendations to Timothy to take a little wine, you know, to
40:05
sue the stomach issues instead of well, just healing, you know,
40:08
which apparently he was able to do if he could make the blind
40:10
see. So there seems to be even in
40:12
scripture an idea that there's a a wearing down, a wearing down a
40:17
diminishing of the gifts that were available for the sake of
40:22
spreading the word in the ministry and stuff like that.
40:24
So mild dispensationalist in that way.
40:26
However, however, I don't think that God completely eliminates
40:32
all possible incredible miraculous events, but I do
40:35
think he tends to probably not do them very much here.
40:39
I, I think that in the Western world, we become so desensitized
40:44
to, you know, the fantastical or the sensationalized that such
40:49
things as, you know, maybe you'd come across a YouTube video.
40:52
Oh, look, this guy regrew an arm or a limb.
40:55
Praise Jesus. Well.
40:57
Everyone's going to think, oh, this is AI, this has been
40:59
generated and I don't think. Well, and they, the
41:01
Charismatics, are using AI to claim that they are making
41:04
healings. They're not just manipulating
41:07
your joints anymore. That too and so.
41:09
Like it just The thing is I think.
41:12
It probably does happen. There probably are some pretty
41:14
potent miracles that might be happening, but probably not
41:16
here, probably in, I don't know, Uganda or South Africa or some,
41:21
you know, God forsaken place on, you know, some corner of the
41:23
world where whatever. Yeah.
41:27
And and maybe there, yeah, maybe where people are not so, you
41:30
know, just desensitized and, you know, sensationalized and where
41:34
it would actually have effect. I don't think God's doing this
41:36
stuff with wasted utility and I don't think he's gonna, you
41:40
know, I mean, when he was challenged to do miracles, he
41:42
always walking the circle and he just walking around challenged
41:44
to do miracles. He says, well, the only, the
41:47
only sign you're going to get is sign to Jonah.
41:48
You know, when I, when I raised from the dead, He's not, it's
41:50
not like God is somehow a magic genie that's supposed to, you
41:53
know, obey upon command, you know, and perform it when you
41:57
know, just just for the, you know, just for the luxury of you
42:00
to believe in him. You know, it's just, it's a
42:02
perversion of a lack of understanding of a relationship
42:05
between God and creation. So.
42:07
How would you feel about the statement that the charismatic
42:10
gifts are active, yet they are not normative today?
42:18
I'd be OK with that. I I don't even think anyone
42:21
could definitively make us a certain statement one way or the
42:27
other. I mean, what, what eyes do we
42:30
have in corners of the world with missionaries, you know,
42:34
reaching out to obscure tribes and peoples, you know, and what
42:38
type of incredible, amazing works God may be doing with
42:41
that, even miraculous works that we just don't have our eyes on
42:45
that are just for them, you know, could be.
42:49
And I think to try and make too heavy of a, of a stance one way
42:53
or the other is, is a bit much. And I can understand the alarm
42:57
and the concern. You know, you get some of these
43:00
radical fanatical nut jobs like the Bethel Church, you know, was
43:06
it Redlands? No reading, reading.
43:08
Reading California California, you know with.
43:10
The with the the the the what is it the golden glitter that they
43:14
sprinkle down? From Yeah, they think they can
43:16
manifest Angel dust. Yeah, which it was just golden
43:21
dust. When I first heard that, I
43:23
thought, well, at least you're doing one thing consistent.
43:26
Oh, wait, they they don't mean PCP.
43:27
Never mind. I.
43:33
Would want everyone, I would want everyone to be cautious of
43:36
that. And Catholics have interesting
43:39
looks on it too, because you know, they have, you know, you
43:42
know, in order to be a St. you know, you have to have a
43:44
miracle. So, you know, there's a good
43:45
number of people, you know, the Catholics claim to have had
43:48
miracles or miraculous events, you know, But Padre Pio, you
43:51
mentioned what was Padre Pio was the one where he's driving
43:53
around, He's got what is it, Saint Peter or something, riding
43:56
in the back of the taxi or something.
43:57
What was it fro Do you remember the story?
43:59
What was it? Yeah, you got to repeat that
44:02
again, buddy. I'm sorry, I wasn't paying
44:03
attention. What was Padre Pio's miracle?
44:06
Was it like Saint Peter was riding in the backseat of his
44:08
car or something? I don't remember exactly what it
44:10
was. Padre Pio's.
44:13
I know he that he had a stigmata in his arms and feet that
44:18
perpetually bled and the blood smelled like roses.
44:23
Interesting. OK, but you got stuff like that
44:27
in Catholicism, so you take that, you know, with however you
44:30
want. I you know, I'm not here
44:32
miracle, you know, Marian miracles and stuff like that,
44:35
which I'm not. I don't know, you know how to
44:36
really deal much with that. But actually fro since you're
44:39
here, I did have a question for you since you are kind of the
44:42
resident, you know, Catholic that kind of floats around and I
44:46
can ask you this question directly.
44:48
How are you weighing in on the whole, you know, Muslims and
44:51
Catholics worship the same God argument.
44:53
What where you kind of add on that right now?
44:57
I'm, I'm more for that than against.
44:59
I just think it needs to be nuanced stuff further, because I
45:03
think we're, I think we're oversimplifying something that's
45:07
relatively complex. Because when we say that
45:10
Catholics and Muslims worship the same God in an unqualified
45:14
way, we run the risk of saying they're basically closer to
45:18
Christianity than not. And that's not even a claim that
45:21
the Catechism or Vatican 2 makes, but the But when Vatican
45:26
2 says that Muslims and Christians worship and adore the
45:29
same God, they're referring to essentially just the same God of
45:32
Abraham. They don't make claims that
45:34
Muslims are close to the ontology of that Christianity,
45:37
claims such as like trinitarian worship.
45:40
And that's something that needs to be a part of the
45:43
conversation. But the idea that Muslims give
45:46
their worship to the God of Abraham isn't even something
45:50
that's particularly controversial.
45:53
This has been around relatively the standard of Christian
45:56
opinion since really there's been a thing called Muslims and
46:01
the only people, the only the only authority that I'm aware
46:04
that actually disputed that was Saint John Christosum.
46:08
For every century since since Christianity has been the thing,
46:12
we've recognized that Jews and then.
46:14
Muslims of the 7th. Century do offer their worship
46:18
to the God of Abraham. A lot of even a lot of
46:24
Protestant philosophers will even hesitate to take the
46:28
question to take the question like on to take on the question
46:34
bluntly is because one thing they will say is that it is the
46:38
distinction of trinitarian ontology that really makes this
46:43
important that needs to be nuanced.
46:46
And often times that's something that's just missing from the
46:48
conversation. And people will often say maybe
46:51
because that nuance isn't there, therefore this is just a totally
46:54
different God. And I can't really.
46:57
I don't see how that logic can follow.
47:02
Well, to me, I think, and this is where it's got a little bit
47:06
muddled and almost a little bit frustrating for me honestly,
47:10
bro, is that then they they draw the correlation with what about
47:13
the Jews? Now the Jews stopped believing
47:19
essentially after Messiah, Romans 11, cut off by unbelief,
47:22
something they stopped believing in God, but they stopped
47:25
believing, you know, certainly in the true God because the true
47:27
God is the one that sent the Messiah.
47:29
So now they're believing in basically a shadow.
47:32
You know, their reference to the true God stopped at the delivery
47:37
of Jesus to me. What they worship today, even if
47:41
drawing reference to the true God is a God who never sent the
47:44
Messiah. Now that's not my God.
47:45
My God sent the Messiah. OK, so that's number one.
47:50
So even if the reference and I understand the referral.
47:53
Here's the problem though, with Allah you have an apathy in
47:56
moonview which is Allah law means moon all is short and
48:03
Semitic for for God. You know this Allah moon God an
48:08
apati and moon God which we know this from the satanic verses
48:11
because Muhammad was kind enough to introduce while trying to get
48:13
the Koresh to join the side to actually introduce Allah and
48:17
his. Was it two daughters?
48:18
I believe it was Manat and I. Think it was Al Al.
48:24
And. Manat I think, I think.
48:26
It was Manat Manat, yeah, something like that.
48:29
So so here's my issue. This is definitely not Yahweh.
48:35
Definitely not. I mean not even by name, not
48:37
even by essence distinction. Now I know I don't want to get
48:41
into the hole between the, you know, the essence energies
48:44
distinction and divine simplicity between the Catholic
48:46
and the earth facts. I don't want to get into all
48:48
that. I just I just want to zero in on
48:50
the idea that can you at least understand in terms of of an
48:53
identity of a thing, what it is? I have a definite, It does have
49:00
a definition, right? You know, a chair is a chair
49:02
because it has the essence of a chair.
49:04
You know, a table is a table. It does the essence of a table,
49:06
something that describes that thing, that makes it that thing.
49:09
We know it by essence. This is how we identify things
49:13
then. So when I describe something,
49:17
really what I'm doing is I'm painting a picture for you, or
49:19
I'm describing its essence, what it is, giving you a definition.
49:25
OK, so God, the God of the Bible, the God of Christianity,
49:28
has a definition. He's triune, he's loving, he's
49:34
eternal, he's timeless, spaceless, you know, all
49:38
knowing, omniscient. There are certain
49:40
characteristics that I know that define the essence of this God,
49:44
not exhaustively because of course we're talking about God.
49:47
Of course we can't define God exhaustively.
49:49
But again, no things about God based on what He reveals reveals
49:53
these things to us. We're obligated to be able to
49:56
identify Him. So here's my issue.
50:03
It's not defining the same God by essence.
50:07
Now, if the Catholics via Thomas Aquinas and the Orthodox via the
50:12
essence energy distinctions, draw the idea and understand
50:16
that God has an essence and we're defining God and we're not
50:21
defining that essence, we must be defining something else,
50:24
right? Because we're.
50:25
No longer referring. God, we're no longer referring
50:29
to His essence of what He is. You know what I'm saying?
50:33
Well, it's funny it mentions because this is actually.
50:36
And again, this is something that what I want to say that is
50:40
left out of the conversation because what you're actually
50:43
touching on something that Vatican 2 and the Catechism
50:48
admits. Because when you read paragraph
50:50
451 say in the catechism and references Lunum Gentium, which
50:55
is saying that Muslims and Christians adore worship the
50:59
same God. Then in the same breath, just
51:01
reading on and then goes on to say that because there are these
51:07
seismic differences between Islam and Christianity and the
51:11
way it recognizes God, that the Muslims are in need of
51:15
conversion and evangelization. And therefore that's there in
51:20
need of the of gospel preaching. And so oftentimes, what in this
51:25
debate that is basically like that is a really important thing
51:28
to leave out because when we're talking about if Muslims and
51:31
Christians worship the same God, so far in these debates, I'm
51:34
noticing about half of the ideas that we see in Vatican 2 are
51:38
being left out of the discussion.
51:43
God, interesting. And So what you're, what you're,
51:46
what you're suggesting, or what you're telling is actually
51:50
something that Vatican 2 essentially softly admits to
51:53
when you when you read the text. Well, I think I, I think that
51:58
then really any type of talk of it being the same God must be
52:06
moot or, or a mischaracterization.
52:09
And I don't, and I don't think it is.
52:11
I think if anything, maybe we're dealing with the situation of
52:13
what you're saying is correct. Fro then what it almost seems
52:16
like me is that this is far too convoluted and contradictory to
52:21
almost even make sense out of it.
52:23
So like, like, and it's, it's a little bit of a cop out to me in
52:28
some regards, because in one place we're seeing a very much
52:31
saying they worship and adore the true God, which you can only
52:35
do if you identify him. Like.
52:39
Have to be a part of the church even to be able to properly
52:43
worship and adore God, or to be able to worship and adore the
52:46
one true God. So to be able to say, you know
52:49
what I mean, that a Muslim can do that seems to draw almost a
52:53
necessary correlation that they are accessing or at least
52:57
referring to the essence of the one true God.
53:00
And I just don't see how that's possible unless you think you
53:03
always the one inspiring Mohammed in The Cave to, you
53:06
know, condone prostitution and murder.
53:08
I mean, unless that's I don't see how you could really be
53:10
dealing with the. There aren't people that would
53:13
argue that. But again, I'm not, I'm not
53:15
really one of those here's actually thing.
53:18
Because when you kind of go back in time and look at the other
53:22
questions that people had about this, because again, whether
53:26
Muslims worship the same God as Christians isn't just a new
53:29
isn't a new question. This has been asked.
53:32
This has been asked for a very long time.
53:38
Yeah, I get that. And the and the way that this
53:41
has been traditionally answered is essentially that they worship
53:45
the same God in reference, but it but you're right, they don't
53:50
worship the same God in essence because there are extreme
53:54
fundamental differences within the Christian theology and
53:59
between Christian transitarianism and a Muslim to
54:03
weed. OK, there's huge differences
54:05
there and no one's going, no one's denying that.
54:08
The the issue though, is that you often have people,
54:12
unfortunately within the Catholic Church and without the
54:14
Catholic Church that are often arguing that, you know, Muslims
54:18
worship the God in more fundamental ways than they do.
54:22
And when you look at the ways that these, this question has
54:26
been answered anciently, that is not a, that is not a position
54:30
that's ever taken up. That's a position that's round,
54:33
that's, that's very new, it's a very new innovation.
54:36
And so if we're going to say Muslims worship the same God,
54:39
and I would, I would say yes, we need to make sure that that is
54:43
being qualified within the reference distinction, not in
54:46
the essence distinction. I don't agree with the reference
54:53
argument either to be honest with you fro because I could
54:57
just I mean knowing with what has been revealed about who God
55:03
is and what and what he is at least what he said about what he
55:07
is. It's I can't just all of a
55:10
sudden say a pink Unicorn elephant that is 1 entity that
55:16
is created is God and it's the God of the Israelites.
55:21
I'm what I'm doing is I'm just making a false statement.
55:24
I'm saying this false God, which is not the God.
55:29
Is that? It's just a lie.
55:31
It's not it's not an accurate reference.
55:34
I'm not because again, I can't like replace the essence of what
55:39
that God is that I'm referencing when his entire essence is the
55:43
reference it. Doesn't.
55:45
It doesn't connect. You see what I'm saying?
55:48
Oh, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no, no, go ahead.
55:51
That was real. My main point is once once the
55:56
essence thing is removed from the equation, you don't even
55:58
have anything to reference. So I don't understand this.
56:02
Like well the reference? What are you referencing?
56:04
The only thing we ever references is essence.
56:07
So if the essence isn't his essence, then how are you
56:10
referencing it? You get what I'm saying?
56:12
Well, I'd say that we have we can reference it through through
56:15
common history. Like this isn't this isn't this
56:18
isn't well known because oftentimes the quotations aren't
56:22
directly, but there's quite a few times in the Quran where
56:27
Mohammed is directly quoting after Paul.
56:29
Like I'm going to have to have my Quran in front of me, but
56:32
it's in there. There's other times where you
56:35
actually have kind of like a the theist.
56:39
No, not theist, but you have like a what I was saying
56:42
edifying references to Adam and Abraham and of the Old Testament
56:47
prophets where and you're and these prophets are being quoted
56:50
in their own scriptures, say from Isaiah or Jeremiah.
56:54
And so I think it's more than just saying that there's this
56:57
pretty pink elephant I've invented and I'm calling that
57:00
Jehovah. I think it there, it goes a bit
57:03
deeper than that, where there is a meaningful ontic reference
57:07
where you can have the same referential point and yet then a
57:12
false identification, which we would call the essences and
57:16
well, the essence. And so I think I would kind of
57:20
push back on that slightly because it's, it's not the same
57:23
thing as there's this pink Unicorn that's, that's just
57:26
incredibly different. There are quite a few references
57:31
that Islam, Christianity and Judaism all share in common,
57:35
where I think the reference could all be equivalent and the
57:38
same. I disagree.
57:44
And you know, hey, you know what, friend?
57:46
You know what friend? You are more than welcome.
57:48
You're more than welcome. This, this is not really a hill.
57:51
I'm sorry. Let me say this.
57:52
This is not a hill I'm particularly care about, you
57:55
know, But go ahead. So hey, can I say something that
57:59
Smokey? Yeah.
58:01
Just one last thing real quick, Brandon.
58:04
And just to finish. I'll just finish my life.
58:06
And I get it. It's probably not something you
58:08
want to necessarily. Hi, Jill.
58:09
How you doing? It's not something you
58:11
necessarily want to deal with. But to me, I mean, the essence
58:15
really is what it all boils down to.
58:16
Because if I'm, if I'm referring to someone, I I'm referring to
58:22
them by their essence. Like I'm not I don't to me, you
58:28
cannot differentiate. You cannot, you know, divide.
58:32
If you're see, because here's the thing, if you're saying I
58:35
serve the God of Abraham, and then you describe a God who
58:41
isn't the God of Abraham, I'm now saying you're just, you're
58:45
just claiming that that Abraham served a different God.
58:49
I'm not going to claim, oh, you're referencing Abraham's
58:52
God. I'm going to be like, no, no,
58:53
hold on. You're serving a different God
58:56
than what Abraham served. See what I mean?
58:59
Because now I'm making the essence distinction instead of
59:03
relying so heavy on the reference.
59:06
I'm, I'm preserving the essence distinction in my consideration.
59:11
That's my issue with Vatican, too, is that it seems to be
59:15
philosophically disingenuous or incoherent to me personally.
59:20
So, but I'll, I won't make a big thing of it.
59:22
Brandon. Brandon, you wanted to say
59:24
something? Go ahead.
59:25
I'm going to refer. Oh, sorry.
59:29
I was typing something. Yeah, I was going to say to
59:33
Chris. Well, Ace, Theo's on the fast
59:36
track to hell. So my question for the pale
59:41
Galilean is that, you know, I mean you, do you think that
59:44
anybody that doesn't obey Jesus could really, would they qualify
59:51
as a Christian if they don't obey any of his commandments?
59:56
Oh Lord, here we go. Yeah, that is correct because in
1:00:00
order to believe anyone there requires a bit of obedience.
1:00:05
So let me give you an example. If you have, if you have like a
1:00:09
six year old kid and you're explaining to him the physics of
1:00:13
what it is to be crushed under a under a semi truck and you tell
1:00:18
him don't play out in the street because of that, he says, OK
1:00:23
Dad, I believe you. I don't want to be.
1:00:24
I don't want to be in the second dimension.
1:00:27
And yet they go out and play in the middle of the road anyway.
1:00:31
You, they, they didn't obey the child, didn't obey the Father.
1:00:35
And because that obedience isn't there, you can't claim belief is
1:00:38
there either. Because obedience is something
1:00:41
that has to predicate beliefs. If you're not willing to obey,
1:00:46
you're sure as hell not willing to believe.
1:00:48
Not in any meaningful way. Paul, can I ask you a question
1:00:52
before you guys get too far ahead?
1:00:55
Are you? I know Smokey isn't, but are you
1:00:57
associating that the God of the Bible is the same with the
1:01:00
Quran? That I would actually disagree
1:01:06
with because the God of the Bible is not the God of Abraham.
1:01:09
OK, These are two different 1 is a reference and one is an
1:01:14
essence. And so when we look at the God
1:01:16
of the Bible, that's a very different theology to what we
1:01:20
find it with the God of the Quran.
1:01:22
So I'd say that the God of the Quran, God and the God of the
1:01:25
Bible is the God of Abraham, but they're not they're they're very
1:01:30
different theologies and fundamentally different in their
1:01:33
essence. And therefore I'm not going to
1:01:35
go that. Far.
1:01:38
Yeah, All right. Fair enough.
1:01:40
That would be answered in for me, that would be answered in
1:01:45
Penny's book in Chapter 3, where communication, I mean, because
1:01:48
the fundamental issue here is communication.
1:01:51
Basically because we have a lot. Of names for our Lord.
1:01:56
What book was that Boki? The one who?
1:02:00
Is by Doctor Kenny Rhodes. Oh yeah, Kenny's book, Yeah.
1:02:03
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, I have it OK.
1:02:07
Cool. Mr. Pole, are you familiar with
1:02:09
a Christian by the name of Brother Maverick?
1:02:14
I I don't know who that is. Actually, it rings a bell.
1:02:19
I don't know who that is though. Well, he, he does a, a show kind
1:02:24
of like what we're doing right now.
1:02:25
And he has a lot of debates and he's a Christian.
1:02:28
He has a lot of debates and discussions with Muslims and all
1:02:31
that. And last time I was in there,
1:02:34
he, he and I actually showed some some things that made Jesus
1:02:39
very distinctive and unique compared to any of the other
1:02:42
prophets allegedly of, of that Quran and all that.
1:02:46
So you might find the discussion with him interesting.
1:02:50
You might want to check him out sometime.
1:02:53
OK, that, that I'll take care. I'll do that.
1:02:59
The point that I was leading up to is that, you know where the
1:03:02
Bible says if you have not the doctrine of Christ, you have not
1:03:07
God, you don't have the Father and you don't have the Son.
1:03:11
Do you think somebody that didn't have the Father and
1:03:14
didn't have the Son would qualify as a genuine Christian?
1:03:25
I mean, let's be fair though, Brandon, you don't think most
1:03:28
so-called Christians are Christians all?
1:03:30
Right. So I was away from my mic,
1:03:32
Brandon, I asked that question one more time for me.
1:03:35
I'm sorry buddy. Yeah, hold on one second.
1:03:40
Mike Dalton barking is something.
1:03:42
I'll be right back. Sorry.
1:03:45
Oh wow, so we're. Going to have to get you a mic
1:03:47
that doesn't need to go to physical therapy because it's
1:03:50
got cerebral palsy. Come on now.
1:03:54
I saw a debate where FRO was arguing the Gospels have
1:03:58
contradictions between them. So you don't believe in
1:04:00
inerrancy, Crow. I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying
1:04:08
that's a good or a bad thing for you to believe that.
1:04:10
I'm just. OK, so you're asking you're
1:04:13
asking if I still believe in biblical inerrancy?
1:04:17
Oh yeah, essentially. Well, I'm ready to get my
1:04:21
opinion of this is Reformed. Quite a bit actually.
1:04:24
I hate the pun, but my what? What are we talking about by
1:04:30
inerrancy? Because I believe in biblical
1:04:33
infallibility and sometimes those two things are used
1:04:36
interchangeably. But if you mean by biblical
1:04:39
inerrancy, where the Bible is just completely free of air, it
1:04:43
gets nothing wrong. Everything in the Bible is
1:04:45
correct in every subject matter. I no longer believe that.
1:04:51
Yeah. So if like if one, if one Gospel
1:04:54
says that Jesus said something on Tuesday, another said as he
1:04:58
said it on Wednesday, they can't both be correct.
1:05:00
So that's that's a fallible document.
1:05:06
Well, it's. Definitely not so it.
1:05:11
Kind of depends. On.
1:05:14
Yeah, I can see why that. That was rough.
1:05:19
But it I pick on him all the time about that if I could.
1:05:26
Somebody needs to reach out to Elon Musk and get them some
1:05:29
Starling. Yeah, he might have to do that.
1:05:34
The Steel Man froze position. I would think it would be
1:05:37
accurate to say that FRO rejects the fundamentalist idea of
1:05:42
inerrancy. I think more Christians should
1:05:47
be open to that idea, I think. I think the Bible has become an
1:05:51
idol to a lot of Christians and we should view it more as a
1:05:54
historical document rather than like a divinely written text.
1:05:59
OK, well then we should all just become relativist.
1:06:02
I believe I had a conversation with you or two or three in the
1:06:05
past. Do you believe that there was an
1:06:07
atonement that Christ made? I'm back.
1:06:14
Depending on like a a substitutionary atonement to pay
1:06:18
for the sins of mankind. Holy Gato.
1:06:20
Was yes, Did Christ? Did Christ vicariously pay in
1:06:24
any sense for mankind's sins when he was crucified?
1:06:28
Wait, you sound a lot like a guy named Ryan the Presbyterian, are
1:06:31
you? That's me.
1:06:33
Oh. Oh, I haven't talked, are you?
1:06:35
You're an Anglican now. But I am.
1:06:38
So you you converted from Presbyterianism to Anglicanism.
1:06:44
That I did. OK, Yeah, I yeah, there was no
1:06:49
Jesus didn't pay for anybody's sins.
1:06:51
His blood doesn't pay for anybody's sins at.
1:06:53
All OK, so let me see if I understand this.
1:06:56
The Bible is merely A historic document.
1:07:02
It ought to be viewed and treated as such per your
1:07:05
worldview, in addition to your worldview that when Christ was
1:07:09
crucified, that didn't atone in any sense, that didn't expiate
1:07:14
in any sense. Correct.
1:07:16
Yeah, He died on the cross. Sorry.
1:07:19
It's not something, it's not a good thing.
1:07:22
It's he was just murdered by the the Roman government and the
1:07:26
Pharisees. That's that's all it was.
1:07:29
I mean, Speaking of Islam, that's not very far off from
1:07:32
their view, but how do you satisfy the issue of God's wrath
1:07:39
of being appeased? The whole point of Christianity
1:07:43
is that man is fallen and he is distanced from God by his sin.
1:07:50
There is no intermediary unless there is Jesus Christ and His
1:07:55
sacrifice. We don't need an intermediary,
1:07:57
we just need to stop sinning. OK.
1:08:02
I see you're announced. Yeah, when we when we stop
1:08:05
sinning, then God Forgives us and there's no more sin.
1:08:08
So there's no more sin problems. Well, that's May I interject
1:08:14
with one small question to the Anglican.
1:08:19
You said you converted from one point of view to another.
1:08:25
Can you explain why that happened?
1:08:29
We would be here for quite some time if I did, but I simply
1:08:32
thought that the overall viewpoint of the overall
1:08:36
viewpoints offered by Anglicanism were far more
1:08:39
consistent expression of Christianity than my previous
1:08:44
denomination, although I don't want to get away from A's
1:08:48
philosophy statements. I do apologize my phone decided
1:08:54
to have a reformation on me and so I need to.
1:08:59
That's for that username. Is hilarious.
1:09:01
I'm glad you like it, Bruce. The first Pope it's.
1:09:12
Nice. We were just talking with
1:09:14
Anthony, and he clarified that in his in his view, there is no
1:09:21
need for an atonement and the Bible ought to be treated as a
1:09:26
mere historic document. Of course, I guess that gives
1:09:32
you a decent opportunity to clarify what you mean by
1:09:34
inerrancy or errands to throw. And then I'd like to.
1:09:39
Something unusual. It's It's clear for a moment
1:09:43
that it becomes. Muscle if I if I move my head
1:09:47
the the mic was sorry about that.
1:09:49
I was saying that, bro, you might want to clarify what you
1:09:53
what you specifically mean by inerrancy.
1:09:55
I know what you mean. I don't think the rest of
1:09:57
everyone knows what you mean. And then I'd like to engage with
1:10:00
these statements from Pays. So by by inerrancy I essentially
1:10:07
mean what is said by infallibility in that the Bible
1:10:10
cannot error in its theological teachings and what it's
1:10:15
attempting to teach, it does teach infallibly.
1:10:19
What it doesn't attempt to teach, it can err in.
1:10:23
So case in point, when we actually look at the Gospel of
1:10:26
Luke and therefore Luke acts, Luke is actually a, is actually
1:10:31
a pretty decent historian. The problem is that decent
1:10:34
historians in the 1st century are terrible by today's
1:10:38
standards. And it kind of shows with Luke.
1:10:41
The reason is because there's just there's very, there's these
1:10:44
very clear practical issues with doing history back in the 1st
1:10:50
century. And one of them is that you was
1:10:53
that you don't know you don't know things when they happened.
1:10:58
Case in point, we actually have a speech by Gamal and he
1:11:03
references things that won't happen for another 15 years.
1:11:07
When he's speaking, he mentions revolts that just that this
1:11:12
didn't happen when he is purported to have spoken and
1:11:16
this and this is called and this is just practical, practical
1:11:20
issues in Luke Acts because, well, Luke Acts is a good
1:11:24
historian, but good isn't good enough compared to what we have
1:11:27
today because there's just practical limitations on that.
1:11:31
Similarly, there's other issues at there's other issues at play.
1:11:37
So I want to I want to interject.
1:11:40
Well, well, hold on. But case in point, when we
1:11:42
actually look at what the Bible has to say in the Torah, and
1:11:46
especially when we appeal to like the book of Jonah, it's
1:11:50
very clear that the biblical authors have a Flat Earth
1:11:53
cosmology, or at the very least that the earth is kind of has
1:11:57
like this physical Dome over it. In fact, the word for sky rakia
1:12:02
comes from the root word raqqa, which literally means to hammer
1:12:05
out the way you'd hammer out something metal.
1:12:08
And so the biblical author is genuinely thought that the world
1:12:13
had a physical material barrier and that it was essentially on,
1:12:19
on, like, on flat pillars, like almost like a table.
1:12:23
And these are assumptions that the biblical authors write with,
1:12:26
and they're not right assumptions.
1:12:28
They're very much in error. And in spite of that, the Bible
1:12:33
remains inerrant in the sense that the theology it's teaching,
1:12:37
what it is trying to convey to the reader, it succeeds in that
1:12:42
and therefore is inerrant in that.
1:12:46
I'd like to respond to some of the things that were said.
1:12:49
I don't want to take too much time, but I I want to recommend
1:12:54
that the idea that Luke and the Gospel of Luke in the book of
1:12:58
Acts are written by the same person, it's actually not
1:13:02
substantiated. It comes to us merely from
1:13:05
tradition. So I don't think they have the
1:13:07
same author. And to me when it, when I look
1:13:11
at the so-called Flat Earth verses, they speak to me much
1:13:15
more as being poetic in nature as opposed to literal.
1:13:20
I mean, I'm willing to be proven wrong on that, but I really
1:13:23
don't think that they were taking a stand that the earth is
1:13:26
actually like a square flat thing on a table.
1:13:30
But I might be wrong about. That and the closer you get to
1:13:34
the New Testament, the more right you are because it really,
1:13:38
The world was really proven to be spherical around 300 BC with
1:13:42
the Aristophanes. We don't have a most people
1:13:47
actually. Oh, hold on, Let me turn that
1:13:49
down a bit. Yeah.
1:13:51
And so it was only then that the world was essentially proven
1:13:54
spherical. But cultures all over the world
1:13:57
believe that the world was flat because, you know, when you go
1:14:00
outside and you look around, that's not necessarily a false
1:14:04
assumption to have. It certainly does appear that
1:14:06
way. The thing about it is the coast.
1:14:09
The closer that Aristophanes work goes throughout the Greco
1:14:12
Roman world, the more it influences the Christian world.
1:14:16
And so by the time you get to the apostle Paul, everyone
1:14:19
believes that the world is round.
1:14:20
But you still see Paul, for instance, Pagan verses from the
1:14:24
Old Testament, then those original authors definitely
1:14:29
believe that the world was flat because that was just the
1:14:32
standard belief in that was the standard belief of everyone back
1:14:35
in the day, not just the Christian, not just the Pagan,
1:14:38
just. Everyone, let me let me
1:14:40
interject. Sorry to interrupt, but but the
1:14:43
there's a problem here. All right, You say there are no
1:14:46
theological errors, but let's say there's our scientific
1:14:49
errors such as the shape of the Earth and things like that.
1:14:52
Well, if there's. If there's OK, well, there's any
1:14:54
error whatsoever, then the Bible ceases to be a divinely inspired
1:14:58
text, because God isn't going to inspire something that's errant.
1:15:02
So how do? How can we presume that the
1:15:06
theological claims are therefore inspired and therefore inerrant
1:15:10
or infallible, in your opinion? Because that's really the only
1:15:14
thing the author kind of cares about.
1:15:16
Like a case in point, there are, but there there's even more
1:15:22
controversial issues in the Bible than that.
1:15:24
There are entire Psalms and how I put it up the theological.
1:15:29
Oh, come on. Yeah, there are theological
1:15:31
issues. No, sorry, theological songs
1:15:35
that were there to acknowledge ball as the as the true God.
1:15:40
And those were later established and later given to a praise
1:15:44
Yahweh. OK.
1:15:46
And so the fact this thing of it is, that's something major right
1:15:49
there. The only reason you do that is
1:15:52
because you're trying to appeal or trying to give worship to
1:15:58
Jehovah. Thing about it is when we
1:16:01
actually look at the way that the Bible presents its
1:16:05
materials, all it really is caring about is the theology.
1:16:10
Everything else it sort of treats as kind of secondary.
1:16:14
Now it does. It is aware of historical issues
1:16:17
and historical pressures in their day, such as the prophetic
1:16:21
critique we find in Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the 12 minor
1:16:25
prophets. But generally speaking it it
1:16:29
often even uses this history to its own advantage.
1:16:33
So here's a very good example of that when we're reading the
1:16:39
yeah, when we're reading the Daniel.
1:16:42
Daniel was most likely composed in the 2nd century BC for quite
1:16:47
a few, for quite a few reasons. And yet it actually, it uses the
1:16:52
history that has happened up until then, culminating with the
1:16:55
Greek invasions, as a way of springboarding God's return to
1:17:01
restore the nation of Israel, which we later find in the
1:17:04
Hasmodian dynasty, and beyond that in the church that Jesus
1:17:08
establishes. And so when we look at yeah, so
1:17:13
when we look at the Bible, it uses history to its own
1:17:18
advantage and isn't always accurate because it's it's kind
1:17:21
of twisting historical events to bolster the theological point.
1:17:25
It's trying to make another, yeah, another case like.
1:17:30
Well, go ahead. Hold on, hold on.
1:17:32
You get well, there's. When you put too much on the
1:17:34
table, it becomes hard to respond to things.
1:17:36
I apologize. Go ahead, you.
1:17:38
Made a Yeah. Well, yeah, you made a out of
1:17:41
all the things you just said, the arguments you just made,
1:17:44
what struck me the most was you made a factual claim that Daniel
1:17:48
was written in the 2nd century. Is that something that you?
1:17:52
What is the actual evidence for something?
1:17:55
How can they date it to that? Why?
1:17:57
What do you think? Yeah, so there's actually,
1:18:00
there's actually quite a few, quite a few ways.
1:18:02
But one of the most striking ways and one of the most, I
1:18:05
think one of the more concrete ways is that we can actually
1:18:10
date a document to A to a particular time period based on
1:18:14
the words that are used. So case in point, we can date
1:18:19
some portions of Daniel to to what seems to be the Babylonian
1:18:25
period because it actually uses Chaldean loanwords or Babylonian
1:18:29
loanwords. Other portions of Daniel,
1:18:32
however, actually don't have Babylonian loanwords like we
1:18:35
would expect them to have. Instead, they have Persian
1:18:38
loanwords and that would be, and that would actually be necessary
1:18:42
when it was Persian was the lingua franca of the Persian
1:18:46
Empire, which Israel of course was a vassal state under.
1:18:49
So the book of Daniel, some parts of it are very old, other
1:18:53
parts of it are very new. And its last composition is
1:18:57
likely around the 2nd century because it brings up a
1:19:01
particular, particular names that make more sense for it to
1:19:05
be in the 2nd century. And so not only do this does it
1:19:10
have Persian loanwords, which dates that well after the
1:19:12
Babylonian period, but it gets more of the history, more the
1:19:18
history that when it, when it speaks about history, it's
1:19:22
reflecting more of the situation that's going on in 3rd century
1:19:25
BC then the then the Babylonian captivity of the 6th century.
1:19:32
And so and so there's a quite a few lines of evidence that
1:19:36
suggests Daniel. It was.
1:19:40
Daniel had at least a good portion of it written in the 2nd
1:19:43
century plus. Not only that, older, older
1:19:47
texts such as the Wisdom of Bensira, which of course is
1:19:51
scripture in the Catholic Bible, it makes prolific references to
1:19:56
the prophets and prolific references to the writings.
1:20:00
And none of those actually include Daniel.
1:20:03
But a third line of evidence actually comes from Rabbinic
1:20:07
Judaism. Because when we get the when we
1:20:10
get the first canons of the Jewish Bible, Daniel is not
1:20:15
recognized as a prophet, probably because Daniel wasn't
1:20:19
really recognized as a historical person at to up to
1:20:22
that point. Instead, Daniel is seen in the
1:20:25
Ketchikan. What did I just walk into?
1:20:28
I've been gone. Did you just say Daniel was not
1:20:31
a prophet? No, but he, he, what I said is
1:20:37
that the, that in the Hebrew Bible, Daniel is not put in the
1:20:41
prophetic category. It's put in the writing prep
1:20:44
category. And largely it's because much of
1:20:47
Daniel is was was was constructed in the in the 2nd
1:20:53
and 1st century BC. Pope, earlier you brought up the
1:21:00
unfortunately this is a little bit back in the conversation
1:21:04
kind of went all kinds of different directions on this,
1:21:07
but you mentioned the pillars of the Earth and all that.
1:21:10
I don't know if you're aware of this nowadays, but scientists
1:21:13
actually say there is something they refer to as gravitational
1:21:17
pillars that hold up the planets.
1:21:19
They're invisible, obviously, because it's gravity and all
1:21:22
this, but they do describe it as like a gravitational pillar.
1:21:26
The second thing is, I'm sure you're probably aware of this,
1:21:29
but the Bible makes an extraordinary claim in Job 26,
1:21:33
seven, where it says he spreads out the northern skies over
1:21:36
empty space. He suspends the earth over
1:21:39
nothing. And then one last thing.
1:21:41
Isaiah actually describes the universe as expanding.
1:21:46
Obviously some would call it the celestial heavens that outside
1:21:49
of the earth. But I wonder to myself, how
1:21:53
ancient men, if it's nothing more than the historic book,
1:21:56
history book, how the hell would they know such things?
1:22:01
Well, I'd argue that they don't know such things.
1:22:04
What I would say is that all of those references can be
1:22:08
explained just through the mythologies and the theologies
1:22:12
of the day. When we when we take the I'm
1:22:16
sorry, when we had to, when we take a look at what's being
1:22:19
referenced and what's being said, there's nothing within
1:22:22
these books that don't already have a, oh, I might say that
1:22:27
don't already have precedent within that They were those
1:22:31
contexts. And so when we look at, for
1:22:35
instance, what would you say that he makes the sky over
1:22:39
nothing? What was that?
1:22:40
The the job 26 seven this is he spreads out the northern skies
1:22:45
over empty space. He suspends the earth over
1:22:49
nothing. And I I hear you aren't all this
1:22:51
mythology stuff, but how would the ancient men would have known
1:22:55
something like this? Well, so, but because what they
1:22:59
mean by empty space is not what you mean when you mean empty
1:23:01
space, you doubt you want it to be something more scientific
1:23:05
because of course that's some of that more influences the world
1:23:08
of today. Back then they had said they had
1:23:11
a belief called like the cosmic ocean, where the world was
1:23:14
surrounded by oceans of chaos and God, and God was God because
1:23:19
he was able to build the earth in the midst of this chaos.
1:23:23
We even see this as something in Genesis 1 where the world was
1:23:27
tohu abohu or void and nothing. It refers to the waters of
1:23:32
chaos. And it's not just in the Hebrew
1:23:35
Bible. We find this kind of cosmology
1:23:38
even in even in Egyptian worship too, and Hittite worship,
1:23:42
Babylonian worship, it was a very common motif.
1:23:46
And so that's what it's act. That's that's what it is
1:23:49
referencing more than more than not.
1:23:52
It's not referring to something that we would render scientific
1:23:56
today. It's something that we find
1:23:58
strictly in the realms of philosophy and philosophy,
1:24:01
theology and myth and myth. OK, so I, I get, I get where
1:24:06
you're going. You're kind of sounds like he
1:24:07
believes in evolution. You're you're you just you kind
1:24:11
of put it out there that I'm wanting to kind of associate it
1:24:14
with a modern day thing. If you look, if you look in even
1:24:22
the King James of the English standard New Living Translation,
1:24:26
it is literally saying that there is nothing in the void of
1:24:29
space under the earth or are are holding it up like some kind of
1:24:35
puppeteer or something. So I don't know why you think
1:24:38
that I'm associating it with it. It actually comes out and says
1:24:42
that. Can I ask?
1:24:45
A quick question to fro do you believe that we are evolving?
1:24:52
I mean, do you believe in evolution that.
1:24:54
He does. Both of us do.
1:24:59
Yeah. Oh, so you guys believe that you
1:25:00
evolved from ancient rats? I'm simply leave it.
1:25:04
I believe in theistic evolution, but I'm sure Pharrell will be
1:25:07
more than happy to defend his own position.
1:25:11
Yeah, well, actually I don't think ancient rats existed at
1:25:14
the time in which we evolved, but.
1:25:17
Bottom line, you think that we're getting smarter as human
1:25:20
beings and that aren't? That's not the doctrine of
1:25:24
evolution, Brandon. If you're going to criticize a
1:25:27
position, Brandon, you need to know what it says.
1:25:29
Yeah. Well, think about.
1:25:30
Well, here's the thing. Let me make it very clear,
1:25:32
Brandon, I don't think we're smart.
1:25:34
I think we're very, very dumb. When we look at ourselves
1:25:37
materialistically, we are basically apes with egos.
1:25:41
And even when we go out to explore the cosmos, if God
1:25:44
allows it, that's all we're going to be out there too.
1:25:47
We're just going to be apes with egos that have the audacity to
1:25:50
wear clothes. That's that's it.
1:25:52
We're not. What we are now is what we will
1:25:55
always. Be.
1:25:57
Let me let me clarify. You all believe in the doctrine
1:26:00
of common descent, whereby all like living organisms that are
1:26:03
related to the original, like amoeba or whatever it is if you
1:26:07
go back far enough, right? Yeah.
1:26:11
So that's because everything on Earth actually has is related
1:26:18
genetically, at least in some way.
1:26:20
And the only way you get that genetic similarity is if there's
1:26:23
some relation. So believe it or not, you are
1:26:26
20. Well, here, hold on.
1:26:28
Let me make this stuff. Let me give an example.
1:26:31
Believe it or not, you are 20% related to strawberry.
1:26:34
I'm not making that, no. I'm not.
1:26:36
No, you're not. If you can get the DNA of
1:26:38
strawberries and just sequence it, you will find a 20% match
1:26:42
between the strawberry and you. I understand that, but that
1:26:45
doesn't mean I'm related to strawberries because God.
1:26:48
Could. That's not the argument this is
1:26:50
at. This is what SFT does on his
1:26:53
channel, and the argument is not we're related to strawberries.
1:26:57
The argument is that there is a 20% match in the DNA that
1:27:02
doesn't therefore I. Would like to provide the link
1:27:05
to you where it feels the designer from the designer.
1:27:09
Yeah, thank. You exactly, Brandon.
1:27:11
It would reveal A commonality. It doesn't remain an immediate
1:27:15
relation. OK, so there's the there's a
1:27:18
link to Live Science right here where it's talked about that
1:27:22
humans came from ancient rats and they gave them the name
1:27:26
shrews. These things actually walked
1:27:28
around during the time of dinosaurs.
1:27:31
So there you go right there. That's the evolution claim.
1:27:35
Yeah. And there there.
1:27:36
Is a. Well, hold on.
1:27:37
There is strong scientific evidence that one kind of
1:27:41
Organism cannot evolve over time into there are limitations to
1:27:45
evolution. So we can't we can't evolve from
1:27:49
from ancient rats, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved
1:27:53
from amphibians and so on. It's just it's not
1:27:56
scientifically possible. So common.
1:27:58
Descent. But there again, that's not what
1:28:01
we're talking about when it comes to theistic evolution.
1:28:04
Well, what does you take? This what?
1:28:06
What is scientifically possible then?
1:28:10
What is scientifically, what is scientifically possible is that
1:28:13
everything is is a is all organisms are their own kind in
1:28:17
a kind and they're stuck there. And how we got those kinds of in
1:28:24
the beginning is a matter of of debate.
1:28:27
But we know that evolution isn't the answer in the sense like the
1:28:30
Darwinian evolution, the naturalistics theories.
1:28:34
So that's. The most science.
1:28:36
That's mostly. Current Science.
1:28:38
So you basically don't have a cut off point where you say here
1:28:44
it is, that's not scientifically possible anymore.
1:28:49
Well, you don't have that. What a cut off point of what of?
1:28:54
What you claimed. Yeah, there are.
1:28:58
There is. What I'm trying to tell you is
1:29:00
that scientists have determined that for any Organism you look
1:29:04
at, there is a limit to how much it can evolve.
1:29:08
OK. How did they determine that?
1:29:12
Well, I mean, I don't want to self promote here, but I won't.
1:29:16
But what I'll say is I've looked into this and I've discussed
1:29:19
this and they've done what are called mutagenesis experiments
1:29:23
on a number of different types of organisms, some of them
1:29:26
simple, some of them more complex.
1:29:29
And these people are evolutionists.
1:29:31
And what they were trying to do was find out basically a pathway
1:29:35
to any other basically functional Organism from some
1:29:39
original organisms, such as a nematode or a sea urchin or a
1:29:43
lab rat or anything. What they've found in every
1:29:47
single observed case is that there is comes a point when you
1:29:52
mutate a creature that it basically destroys the viability
1:29:57
of the Organism. And you can't go beyond a
1:30:00
certain point. Dogs too, they have great
1:30:03
variability, but there's limitations to every creature we
1:30:07
look at. So science has disproven
1:30:11
Darwinian evolution for those who know what the science
1:30:13
actually says. Yeah, but that doesn't prove
1:30:16
anything. OK, congratulations.
1:30:19
Darwinian evolution is not true. The evolutionary model does not
1:30:23
rise and fall on Charles Darwin. You're.
1:30:26
About 150 years too late. You know, that's what you said.
1:30:31
Even without Charles Darwin, I think we think there's enough
1:30:36
evidence just independently of him that we can conclude there's
1:30:40
a evolution like a model at work and at play, OK, Some point,
1:30:45
actually, what we know about fossilization is that it happens
1:30:48
about and 1% of the time, OK, As in of all the species that come
1:30:54
that live and die, only a very few minority actually fossilize.
1:31:00
And we know, we know roughly that what that number is because
1:31:05
how many creatures die today? And when we do the numbers and
1:31:09
we knew and we and we look at the creatures that have lived
1:31:13
and gone extinct and we account for all of them.
1:31:15
If every fossilized creature of every population size that the
1:31:20
fossils represent were alive today, we would be walking in
1:31:23
about 3 to 6 feet of living organisms today.
1:31:28
That's how like that's that's the amount of life on Earth that
1:31:32
has passed and went away. And given the fact that even
1:31:36
without our intervention about most animal species go extinct,
1:31:42
that would suggest there is something keeping life on Earth
1:31:46
and something keeping life moving and in a dynamic way.
1:31:51
And even if you want to say it's not Darwinism or Darwin's
1:31:54
evolution has nothing to do with it, it something like it at
1:31:57
least is the most likely explanation here.
1:32:01
That's it. It would have to be.
1:32:03
It would have to be some sort of intelligently guided evolution.
1:32:06
It's not some sort of natural. Oh yeah, no, like you actually
1:32:10
pointing something that's actually a very hot hot button
1:32:14
in philosophy actually, because it's it's kind of known that
1:32:18
scientists generally reject the idea of a Tellos.
1:32:22
But the problem about that is in rejecting A Tellos, there's a
1:32:26
problem there because the very the very mechanics of evolution
1:32:30
essentially require there to be a tell off of some sort.
1:32:33
Like you don't evolve randomly. There's clearly something that
1:32:37
is supposed to be accomplished in what you look like and what
1:32:40
you do. And one of the things that we
1:32:42
often see, like case in point, humans have an appendix.
1:32:46
That's because in apes, an appendix is something that we
1:32:49
that is used to digest hard leafy greens that didn't just
1:32:53
come by by accident. There's clearly something, a
1:32:57
mechanism at point that was arriving at a conclusion or a
1:33:00
telos. And so you're right, this is
1:33:03
something that's actually being that's a very hot topic button
1:33:06
in philosophy at the moment. So the theists in the room that
1:33:10
actually believe and that God as well as some form of evolution,
1:33:15
obviously, let's let's get to the part where everybody would
1:33:21
be looking at here, the origin point.
1:33:24
Do you believe that God designed this already anatomical, ready
1:33:28
to go off the shelf? Or did we start out as a
1:33:32
simplistic Organism floating around the water?
1:33:39
What? What do you mean by like?
1:33:40
Did he just make a special creation?
1:33:42
I'm talking about abiogenesis to evolution.
1:33:45
It's the beginning process of evolution.
1:33:48
So do you believe you started out as some kind of little small
1:33:52
Organism that duplicate itself and then became all these
1:33:55
different things, transitions? Or do you believe God created us
1:34:00
right off the bat as the human body?
1:34:03
Because I heard one of you meant that you think you're an ape or
1:34:05
something earlier. Well, also took 2 answers to
1:34:10
that. The first answer is I think I'm
1:34:13
I'm convinced by the argument set forth that abiogenesis is a
1:34:17
phenomenon. Secondly, we actually are apes,
1:34:22
like when you look at us materialistically, like for
1:34:25
instance the nose, the nose at the center of our face, ears to
1:34:28
the side of our head, kind of like mammary glands, breasts on
1:34:33
our chest. It's a very unique body plan.
1:34:37
And they're only other organisms in the world that have it are
1:34:41
primates, which is apes and monkeys and so.
1:34:44
Just you're saying that because there's a similarity, you know,
1:34:47
koala bears also have little hands, too.
1:34:49
You think we might be koala bears too?
1:34:53
It's, it's actually, that's actually an interesting thought.
1:34:56
I'm not sure where koala bears are related, but they don't seem
1:35:00
to be apes. They don't seem to be primates.
1:35:02
But the thing about it is we also have things that the koala
1:35:05
bear doesn't have. Like as far as I know, the koala
1:35:08
never had a tail in its evolutionary ancestry, but we
1:35:12
did, which is why we actually have tailbones, A coccyx, which
1:35:15
the function of it is to have a tail.
1:35:18
But obviously we don't have tails, or at least the vast
1:35:20
majority of us don't. No, that is not.
1:35:24
That is simply the coccyx doesn't is not like the base of
1:35:28
a tail. It's a very necessary aspect of
1:35:32
the human body. If you remove it, it causes all
1:35:34
kinds of immense. Pain.
1:35:36
Oh yeah, no, I don't deny that. I don't deny that for a.
1:35:39
Moment. No, it's not.
1:35:40
It's. Not like a vestigial organ of
1:35:42
some sort. It is literally an essential
1:35:44
part of the human body. If you don't have a coccyx,
1:35:47
you're in a lot of trouble and pain.
1:35:49
Oh yeah, no, I don't. I don't deny, but so.
1:35:52
But wait, wait a minute, hang on, how do you, how do you get
1:35:55
that? How do you get a lack of a
1:35:58
coccyx out of no tail? I he didn't say that.
1:36:02
He was trying. He's trying to use the argument
1:36:04
that a coccyx is basically the the leftover remnants of of the
1:36:09
tails at. 8. It is not it.
1:36:12
Is not it is. There's no evidence of that,
1:36:16
none way. OK, you're making claims.
1:36:19
Produce, produce a source, Anthony.
1:36:22
Very. Clear that we're in a fallen
1:36:24
world, that we're not evolving, we are devolving.
1:36:28
We are getting every generation. I'd be more curious into your
1:36:35
evidence for a Biogenesis. You said that there is in your
1:36:38
first 18 and again. I was hoping, I was hoping that
1:36:43
the evolutionist theists would respond to this.
1:36:46
Did we start out as a simple Organism or or did God create us
1:36:50
designed as humans as we are? It sounds like a couple of you
1:36:54
say no, no, we're a monkey. I had a tail once.
1:36:57
I mean, what? What's the story tell?
1:36:58
Me that's that's not the point to say that we have primate.
1:37:02
If I say that you have features looking that make you look like
1:37:05
a man, that describes you to be a certain thing.
1:37:08
To say that we have primate, that we are higher level
1:37:11
primates is simply to say we have the same features that
1:37:15
other primates have. It doesn't automatically make us
1:37:18
a monkey. Yeah.
1:37:20
But what they're saying is, is similarity in homology doesn't
1:37:23
necessarily quite to being, you know, I mean correlate to the
1:37:27
same animal. I mean, we have, we have
1:37:29
similarity to an octopus. That doesn't make us part
1:37:31
octopus. You can't say so, yeah, that we
1:37:34
are more similar to apes than other creatures.
1:37:37
That does not make us apes though.
1:37:42
Well, I mean we actually, if you look at the terminology, I mean
1:37:46
what what man describes. You.
1:37:49
Probably are. Gentlemen, here's also the thing
1:37:52
like here's, well, I'm personally convinced by the
1:37:55
theory of evolution. I don't care about it one way or
1:37:57
another. That's not really where my dig
1:38:00
is at. My dig really is more is far
1:38:03
more in a theology than anything.
1:38:05
Else. Let him finish.
1:38:15
Good Lord, Brandon, let him finish.
1:38:18
Talk. And while it might be
1:38:20
interesting every now and then to talk about how evolution can
1:38:24
influence some theology, it really doesn't have much effect
1:38:27
on mine, and so it's really a tertiary issue with me.
1:38:31
Well, well can. I mean, somebody's echoing
1:38:34
pretty bad. I don't know who that is.
1:38:35
Let. Me.
1:38:36
See if it's mine. Mike, hold on.
1:38:37
It's probably not. I don't think it's you.
1:38:40
Or maybe it is you, yeah. Well is is it possible I could
1:38:44
get some kind of response on this?
1:38:46
Did we start out as a simple Organism or were we set in place
1:38:51
and design? I believe they they would argue
1:38:54
how do we start as a simple Organism?
1:38:58
The answer is yes. OK, let me let me tell you why
1:39:01
this is a primary issue, because this idea of evolution is one of
1:39:07
the main reasons that a lot of people think God is unnecessary.
1:39:13
The concept of God, once you show people that there's really
1:39:17
no way we could have gotten here from a naturalistic mechanism,
1:39:22
then really the only game left in town it philosophically is
1:39:26
theism. You know, the religion will have
1:39:28
to be decided. But evolution, I think is
1:39:32
probably one of the greatest impediments to faith in God that
1:39:36
currently exists on this earth. And it needs to be seen as
1:39:40
false, which is what it is. It's been, it's scientifically
1:39:42
false and it's false for a number of reasons.
1:39:46
We should and we should let people know that.
1:39:50
And that's an interesting point. And I actually read the The
1:39:53
Scent of Man Darwin, and it said that Darwin actually believed
1:39:59
that evolution, even if we were to entertain any kind of truth
1:40:03
to it, he said that it was a guided process by God.
1:40:07
This is what he put in there. He used also words like higher
1:40:10
power and all that, but he believed that there was a God
1:40:13
behind it. So I don't understand where
1:40:15
people even come up with this whole nature did this and no it
1:40:18
did not. He also, I believe we'd find a
1:40:21
lot of these transitional fossils that we never found too
1:40:24
so. I think the problem for the
1:40:27
Catholics is that the Catholic Church took a stance on this
1:40:31
idea and unfortunately it was the wrong 1 so they have to toe
1:40:34
the line which is part of the problem with Catholicism is that
1:40:37
it's a package deal and you have to agree with everything or
1:40:41
your. No that there I am.
1:40:44
I am the non what? Are you talking about that?
1:40:46
None of that's true. Now that here again, Anthony,
1:40:50
you you've not read their documents.
1:40:53
The Catholic Church does not demand you believe in theistic
1:40:57
evolution or they're going to axe you from the Christian
1:41:00
faith. I heard they take a 2 by 4 to
1:41:03
you. Like when you look at Robert
1:41:05
Sugenis, Robert Sugenis isn't even just a young earth
1:41:08
creationist. He is also a geocentrist.
1:41:12
He doesn't believe that the earth revolves around the sun.
1:41:14
So he's a little more extreme than your average bear.
1:41:17
OK, he is in perfect standing with the Catholic Church.
1:41:20
Because the Catholic Church hasn't made a ruling on the
1:41:22
scientific validity of evolution.
1:41:25
They eventually, they, they essentially said either position
1:41:28
is acceptable theologically, OK. And so the idea that I have to
1:41:33
be an evolutionist or have to be a creationist just doesn't bear
1:41:37
out at all. So that's just my, that's just,
1:41:40
that's just my correction there. Why I think the reason why
1:41:44
people get so excited about it because I'm not hating on any of
1:41:48
you on this is obviously it's going to if you go with the
1:41:51
actual scientific abiogenesis to evolution process, you got to
1:41:56
get rid of your Adam and Eve humans made right off the bat
1:42:00
design and then you got Jesus Christ.
1:42:03
What did he come to the world for?
1:42:05
Did Adam and Eve actually exist? Did they do what they did?
1:42:08
Because if they didn't, then what?
1:42:10
How did sin even come into the world kind of concept?
1:42:13
It opens up a can of worms, ladies and gentlemen.
1:42:17
Well, actually evolution doesn't even really deal with a
1:42:19
Biogenesis, so I mean. Well, you might you might want
1:42:23
to actually look at the definition it actually mentions.
1:42:26
It is the beginning initiator of evolution.
1:42:29
It's the first transition. You can't I'm.
1:42:31
Talking about like modern synthesis, Yeah, I know that, I
1:42:35
know that. But what I'm saying is
1:42:38
technically they they have a separate.
1:42:40
Actually they have it separate, but the the same problems that
1:42:43
plague evolution are are are the pretty much the same.
1:42:46
Problem. Oh, I know it's chicken.
1:42:47
It's chicken and an egg on the way back.
1:42:49
You know what I mean? You got DNA.
1:42:51
Yeah, you got DNA. Yeah, you have.
1:42:53
It's all about arranging DNA in a specific manner in a specific
1:42:57
time, whether it was the first Organism from prebiotic
1:43:00
chemicals or, you know, a, a reptile transitioning to an A
1:43:04
mammal, it's, it really comes down to getting the right DNA at
1:43:08
the right time and place. And really, no scientific.
1:43:12
Stuff. Well actually DNA is too
1:43:14
unstable. That's why they would like the
1:43:15
RNA world pop offices, because DNA is just too.
1:43:18
Unstable. You know, Anthony, you keep
1:43:20
making very specific statements about overwhelming scientific
1:43:23
consensus. This is where I will challenge
1:43:26
you to provide the sources you claim support your argument.
1:43:30
Well, if you any scientific experiment you look at, they are
1:43:34
unable to get even the most bare chemical elements necessary for
1:43:40
life. OK, that that is not I asked you
1:43:43
for a specific citation. I didn't ask you to meander
1:43:46
around. You keep making very specific
1:43:49
claims about scientific. Thank you Brandon for
1:43:56
interrupting me. I will continue my thought
1:43:58
because I was nearly done. And then comes in Brandon like
1:44:01
clockwork to interrupt you. You keep making Anthony very
1:44:05
specific claims about general consensus in the scientific
1:44:10
field, but you don't provide any citations for that.
1:44:14
So I am curious what the citations are specifically, not
1:44:19
your arguments because you dislike something.
1:44:23
It would be nice, just curious, just just just.
1:44:26
Just just just just just curious, what claims did he
1:44:30
make? Well, let me let me make one.
1:44:33
Let me make one right here. There has never been and and if
1:44:37
someone wants to prove me wrong on the stream, Ryan or anyone
1:44:40
else, go ahead and do it. There has never been a
1:44:43
scientific experiment which which creates all of the amino
1:44:48
acids which are used in living organisms.
1:44:50
So there are 20 amino acids used throughout life on earth that
1:44:56
are and amino acids are the billion blocks of proteins.
1:44:59
And you can't get life without proteins and you can't get
1:45:03
proteins without the the proteins using life without the
1:45:06
20 necessary amino acids. To this day, they have not found
1:45:12
a naturalistic pathway to at least half of the amino acids
1:45:15
used in living Organism. One, that doesn't that doesn't
1:45:19
answer what I asked you one. And two, it doesn't mean that it
1:45:22
it doesn't mean that can't be demonstrated you.
1:45:25
My point to you is you really, really dislike evolution.
1:45:29
I get that. But you can't run around saying,
1:45:32
well, the general scientific consensus is blah, No, that's
1:45:35
not how that works. There there is one thing I was
1:45:40
wanting to say to you, philosophy.
1:45:42
Even if at some point in time they do manage to go into a lab,
1:45:46
put all the variables and environment together, and manage
1:45:50
to get some goo to start dancing, it still took an
1:45:53
intelligent mind to do that and to set the variables in.
1:45:56
Place. I actually, I, I'm going to
1:45:58
disagree with you there. If, if, if they go in there and
1:46:02
like assemble it, assemble a. Self assembling, self assembling
1:46:06
and it had to be correct. You have to think about
1:46:08
corralities. You know what I mean?
1:46:09
Basically if. If they go into a lab and create
1:46:13
a purely chemical pathway from basically molecules to a self
1:46:21
reproducing whatever, I do think that would prove naturalism in
1:46:26
abiogenesis. But if they go into a lab.
1:46:29
If they did something like the Miller you rate experiment, I
1:46:31
didn't mean cut you off. I'm sorry, one SEC if if they
1:46:33
did something like the Miller you rate experiment, OK, but
1:46:38
they didn't, but they did actually come up with the you
1:46:40
know, the right, the cruelty and everything everything that could
1:46:43
into the first block, then you know they would have something
1:46:47
so. I hear you.
1:46:49
I, I don't think you're catching what I'm saying.
1:46:51
In order for that to happen, you'd have to have a group of
1:46:54
scientists who are putting this together and and making it all
1:46:57
set up in order to do. That but but it still would show
1:47:02
that is at least possible. Even right now it's not even
1:47:05
possible with intelligence. That makes it even worse, right?
1:47:09
We already say that it's possible.
1:47:11
God. I actually let me give the
1:47:14
nuance. There are different levels of
1:47:16
intervention that we could speak of.
1:47:19
Something like the Miller Uri experiment.
1:47:22
Creating a self replicating Organism would in my mind prove
1:47:26
abiogenesis because basically it's not like the scientists are
1:47:30
going into the and manipulating things to create a certain
1:47:33
outcome. Like let me get let me give an
1:47:35
analogy, just give me a minute. Like let's say someone claims a
1:47:38
spaceship can self assemble just by the pure forces of nature,
1:47:44
like a rocket ship that can fly to the moon and then they go and
1:47:47
build 1 like using NASA grants and stuff.
1:47:50
But it's like, well OK, that wasn't like a whirlwind in a in
1:47:55
a junkyard putting a spaceship together.
1:47:57
It's the same thing with the origin of light.
1:48:00
It depends on how much intervention.
1:48:02
Like if someone just like, puts a bunch of metal in a junkyard
1:48:05
and like a month later there's a spaceship, that would prove a
1:48:09
spaceship could, you know, be assembled by the forces of
1:48:12
nature and fly to the moon. So obviously that's not going to
1:48:14
happen. And the same thing with
1:48:15
abiogenesis. Wait a minute.
1:48:18
Why don't you think that we'd be able to create some kind of ship
1:48:21
to be able to go do that? Elon's been working on some
1:48:24
stuff, and he's got neat ideas. Well, I, I am I, I do think we
1:48:28
already have that technology. What I'm trying to say is.
1:48:32
Yeah, you can't just throw a bunch of metal in a scrap yard
1:48:35
and expect it to turn into a fucking spaceship.
1:48:39
That's. Exactly.
1:48:40
Well, I agree with you. But.
1:48:42
What I'm trying to no, But there again, when you're dealing with
1:48:45
theistic evolution, you're not dealing with those who believe
1:48:48
in random natural processes. At the end of the day, we assign
1:48:52
this to God who is directly involved in both the creation
1:48:57
and governance of his universe. You can say no and reject it all
1:49:00
you want, but you would once again are not representing the
1:49:04
position. The number one issue is that
1:49:08
it's a direct attack on the foundation of the Bible, all of
1:49:13
scripture. Jesus even references Genesis
1:49:17
over that. I'm not worried about that.
1:49:21
Well, yeah, I mean, that's a huge issue though, you know what
1:49:23
I mean? If if, if you don't have the
1:49:27
right doctrine, I think you're in a dangerous position.
1:49:31
You. Are, well, there is a concern
1:49:33
about it. It's it's a concern because
1:49:36
first of all, children are getting indoctrinated into this.
1:49:40
And absolutely it caused a lot of dangerous problems in that
1:49:44
scenario. But go ahead.
1:49:46
And Ryan has mischaracterize theistic evolution to give it a
1:49:50
more favorable light for for theists.
1:49:53
Yeah, 'cause even like you. How I want?
1:49:55
To know how you made these generalized statements and then
1:50:00
run. Be specific, Anthony.
1:50:02
Theistic evolution is basically God created Darwinian
1:50:08
naturalistic evolution as the mechanism to bring about life.
1:50:12
So God just kind of creates the the laws, but it it's
1:50:18
indistinguishable from an observational standpoint, an
1:50:21
empirical standpoint, from materialistic evolution.
1:50:24
There's no divine intervention in theistic evolution as they've
1:50:27
proposed it. And again, you have not proven
1:50:31
anything once again, Anthony, because you only keep asserting
1:50:35
an opinion. Congratulations.
1:50:40
This is Ryan sometimes. Dude, please, Brandon, I want.
1:50:44
God, it's got a little point. Brandon, Brandon, damn us all
1:50:47
the hell because we don't follow your ridiculous contract.
1:50:51
Please. Oh hey, you know, if you don't
1:50:54
want to, you know, let me ask you this.
1:50:56
Well, I don't want to get off topic.
1:50:58
Actually, let's stay on how fucking stupid this idea of
1:51:01
evolution is. Because, you know, of course the
1:51:05
the argument of irreducible complexity just totally destroys
1:51:12
all ideas of evolution. Sure, we witness adaptation in
1:51:18
species, but no net. There's no such thing as
1:51:23
evolution and have these delusional concepts floating
1:51:27
around in your. Brain.
1:51:29
Well then, then you you have now.
1:51:31
Well, we. You, you have, well, just just
1:51:34
one second, if you don't mind, Chris.
1:51:36
I'm glad you just said that Brandon, because you just said
1:51:39
that the majority of the scientific establishment that
1:51:42
has given us the majority of things we use in our modern
1:51:44
world, including whatever device you are using to connect to the
1:51:48
Internet to join this live stream are delusional.
1:51:52
Hooray. Go on, Chris.
1:51:54
See. You obviously don't believe in
1:51:57
prophecy. Some of.
1:52:00
Them are liars. That that, that.
1:52:01
That was a bit of a straw man though, because you know what I
1:52:04
mean. Real.
1:52:05
Quick, Brandon, do you mind? Would you engage with my wife
1:52:08
for just a moment? She had something she wanted to
1:52:09
say. I actually my sole purpose to
1:52:12
pop on here was because I wanted to find out if we have a nicer
1:52:17
Smoky now that he's got his little Mama around.
1:52:23
I don't know. Ask him.
1:52:25
He looks. Like.
1:52:26
He has a a much brighter disposition lately.
1:52:30
That's I would agree, but he's much he is much happier today,
1:52:33
these days. Yeah.
1:52:36
Well, that makes me very happy to hear.
1:52:39
Well, I, I, I have been verbally assaulted, so I've been.
1:52:44
Things have changed. There you go.
1:52:47
Brandon. I wanted to ask, so you believe
1:52:50
in adapt, what do you mean by adaptation versus evolution?
1:52:53
Like I'm curious what your definition of those two things
1:52:55
are because I have a follow up question based on that.
1:52:58
So like what do you think can change versus what cannot?
1:53:03
Well, I'm saying like, you know, like long haired dogs in a cold
1:53:07
climate seem to survive and the short haired dogs don't.
1:53:12
So that's, you know, it's it's an adapter to die issue.
1:53:18
You know what, that's what we see in species.
1:53:20
So that's. What you Yeah, so that is so you
1:53:22
have seen that. Yeah, that's an.
1:53:25
Absolute like for example, the salamander experiment that we
1:53:27
saw that, that they have proven like microevolution with
1:53:32
salamanders, like we've witnessed that.
1:53:36
So you know, I don't, I've never seen this witnessing of the
1:53:40
salamanders. I'm not sure exactly what you're
1:53:43
talking about. So, so you refer to adaptation
1:53:48
where like small changes can take place over small amounts of
1:53:51
time if it's advantageous to the survival of the species.
1:53:57
So they, they've tested that and that we've actually seen that
1:54:00
occur with salamanders over several generations.
1:54:04
I I can actually pull up the experiment, I think.
1:54:06
Well, I mean, I, you know, I agree.
1:54:08
I mean, I think that's. Observable.
1:54:10
Yeah. But if that can happen over a
1:54:14
very short period of time, would it not make sense that larger
1:54:18
changes could happen over a larger period of time?
1:54:24
Well, I mean, if you mean like an apple seed can produce a
1:54:29
lemon, we're talking, we're talking about micro macro
1:54:35
evolution right now. The question is how many changes
1:54:40
can be done to an apple seed before that apple seed genie,
1:54:44
before those apple seeds become lemons?
1:54:47
Exactly fro thank you. Yeah, are you talking?
1:54:50
About the Italian, The Italian wall lizards.
1:54:52
Is that what you're talking about?
1:54:55
Oh man. Well, what about the what about
1:54:58
the family paradox though folks? Are you guys familiar with that?
1:55:03
What's that? The Fermi Paradox asks the
1:55:06
question or challenges the question of the universe.
1:55:09
Why is it that we've not seen a Biogenesis or evolution
1:55:15
practiced on any other world, or on any of the billions of
1:55:18
planets the scientists claim exist?
1:55:20
Out there, it's not the Fermi paradox.
1:55:22
No, that's the. That's called the what?
1:55:24
Is that the great No, the Drake equation?
1:55:29
No, that's the Fermi paradox if you type.
1:55:31
You make paradox. The.
1:55:34
Paradox asks if the Fermi paradox makes the observation
1:55:39
that the universe should be big enough to whole planets full of
1:55:42
life, so why is it that we seem to be alone in the universe and
1:55:46
so and that that's the Fermi paradox?
1:55:50
Definition right in front of me. It says the Fermi Paradox refers
1:55:54
to the apparent contradiction between the high probability of
1:55:57
extraterrestrial intelligence existing in the universe and the
1:56:01
lack of evidence for context with such civilizations.
1:56:05
It posed question where is everybody so well?
1:56:09
I was on board as Alien Station last night and they took me
1:56:12
around the Galaxy and showed me their planet.
1:56:14
So I think, I think it's real. I got.
1:56:16
Probed. 3. Times.
1:56:18
Well, the point is. The point is, why aren't we
1:56:21
seeing this anywhere else? Why?
1:56:23
Why is it out of billions of planets we've only observed any
1:56:27
kind of existence or sentience? Here.
1:56:30
I think that does get into the drag equation on the, especially
1:56:33
with aliens. Well, bottom.
1:56:34
Line. Call it Drake, call it Bob,
1:56:36
whatever you want, but why not? Yeah, but either the Bible's
1:56:40
telling us the truth or it's not, man.
1:56:42
Well, they're either. Either God formed Adam and Eve
1:56:45
as full adult beings with you know, Adam was smart enough to
1:56:49
name every animal and. So that that right there is an
1:56:54
assumption. The scripture does not tell us
1:56:57
that God immediately formed Adam and Eve into fully adult human
1:57:02
being. There's.
1:57:02
One guy that was born with all of the knowledge of
1:57:05
metalworking, Another one was born with all of the knowledge
1:57:09
of every musical instrument. The point.
1:57:14
But the point is Brandon, Hold on just a second.
1:57:17
The point is, Brandon, when you come at us accusing us of not
1:57:20
being literalists, you aren't either, because nowhere in
1:57:24
Genesis does it ever say that Adam and Eve, especially Adam,
1:57:30
was a fully formed human. Adult.
1:57:33
We really don't know what Adam was because it that is not in
1:57:36
the text. The point is you are being
1:57:39
literal on a very selective basis.
1:57:42
It says he was a man though. It does say he was a man.
1:57:45
I have this way to say that. And the woman got called woman
1:57:48
because of the womb. Yeah.
1:57:50
I mean, like, you know, you're you always have like these
1:57:54
little, like veiled little, you know.
1:57:58
Yeah. I don't even know what to call
1:58:00
what you do. What do you think, Ryan?
1:58:02
Are we are we going with Planet of the Apes that Adam and Eve
1:58:06
might have been? What's going on here?
1:58:09
Yeah. Well that's not my point.
1:58:11
My point is simple. None of you are literalists,
1:58:15
it's just you only care to be literal about certain aspects.
1:58:18
If you know I'm going, I'm going to finish my point.
1:58:21
I don't care if I get interrupted, I'm just going to
1:58:23
finish my point. We all do not interpret the
1:58:26
creation account. Literally none of us.
1:58:30
Do I do? I do.
1:58:32
No, you don't, because you're willing to re.
1:58:35
You're willing to say things that are not in the text, yet
1:58:38
demand that I absolutely must take the most wooden, literal
1:58:42
meaning of the text. That's my point.
1:58:45
Speaking the interruption. We didn't cut low off you.
1:58:48
Was she? Were you done low?
1:58:50
I know you couldn't. I was.
1:58:54
So I do have a link in there, Brandon, if you want to take a
1:58:56
look at it that kind of talks about microevolution and how
1:59:00
that can kind of give you a basis for how that leads into
1:59:04
macroevolution. Because fro really did give a
1:59:08
very good explanation as to like at what point between an apple
1:59:13
and a lemon do you make that distinction?
1:59:17
Well, I mean, we didn't believe in it's the same thing.
1:59:19
Like we didn't. Believe in sparse ocean let.
1:59:22
Me. Let's say you have.
1:59:23
Cross. Breeding.
1:59:24
Hold on, let her finish, Let her finish.
1:59:26
So like let's say you were cross breeding to fruits, like we live
1:59:30
in California. That's something you see here a
1:59:31
lot. Like you have like a mix of an
1:59:34
apricot and a plum. So like if you keep mixing more
1:59:38
plum into that, at what point is it a full plum?
1:59:43
You know what I'm saying? Sure.
1:59:45
Like at what point does it transition from a mixture to a
1:59:48
different thing? So could that could that not
1:59:51
happen if small changes are taking place?
1:59:54
Yeah. Over a long period of time,
1:59:56
would it not be considered a separate thing?
1:59:58
Like have you like you believe in speciation, correct?
2:00:02
Yeah, we we would agree with speciation, but yeah, we would
2:00:05
agree with that speciation. But that speciation isn't that a
2:00:09
form? That's a form of macroevolution.
2:00:12
No, not really, because there it is just there's a, there's a
2:00:15
limit, there's a diversity built all into the genome.
2:00:18
But like the example I think you have is like the Italian wall
2:00:20
lizards and they, they, the cicchio valve, like it was able
2:00:23
to like not digest, you know, I think it was some something that
2:00:29
was not able to digest and then that valve enabled it to have
2:00:32
it. But The thing is, is what really
2:00:34
happened in that it was an example of phenotypic plasticity
2:00:38
to where it was like shifted back on.
2:00:40
So if you look at that when I think that one, there's plenty
2:00:43
of evidence on that when it's kind of been debunked.
2:00:45
There's also another thing too, Miss Smokey, you, you're
2:00:48
pointing out that all these fruits mixed together and and
2:00:52
doing all that, and I'm totally with you on that.
2:00:54
But what I'm curious of whenever I get into discussions about
2:00:58
this is where was the information?
2:01:01
Where was the chemicals coming that was taking a small
2:01:04
Organism, duplicating it and then creating an atomic
2:01:08
structure where the damn thing got up and started roller
2:01:12
skating and singing? I mean, that's that's where I'm
2:01:14
getting that. There's a big difference between
2:01:17
that. Oh yeah.
2:01:19
But I. I mean, are you able to like
2:01:21
pollinate a an apple tree with a lemon tree or, or I mean, is
2:01:27
that what? I mean evolution, evolution, I
2:01:29
think. I don't know.
2:01:31
Those two I don't know, but I know that like we have like
2:01:35
clouds which are like an A plum and I want to say like an
2:01:38
apricot. Yeah, we like, yeah, that's
2:01:41
that's all. Kinds of fruits together by like
2:01:43
crossbones. That's him.
2:01:45
That's human selected breeding though, And that's totally
2:01:48
different, you know, because yeah, you can get all kinds of
2:01:50
wild things, like if you'd involve human intelligence, you
2:01:53
know. Well, that's kind of got my
2:01:56
little farmer brain brew and I'm like, hey.
2:01:59
Oh, there's a woman, the woman that done that.
2:02:01
This is first experiment. It was wild.
2:02:04
It was it was a woman, so I forget what her name was.
2:02:07
But anyhow, real quick, I'm confused though, 'cause you
2:02:10
know, I mean Smokey, he did an interview Doctor James for who
2:02:16
I, you know, am a bit of as far as like I, I Doctor Torres whole
2:02:22
argument of evil against evolution is just a total slam
2:02:27
dunk. So, so I, I mean, I'm not saying
2:02:32
that I have one opinion or the other.
2:02:34
I'm just wondering if you believe in microevolution, it is
2:02:38
it. Not.
2:02:39
That macro is possible. Yeah, I, I, yeah, I don't think
2:02:44
that. Yeah, I don't think any.
2:02:46
Species. Brandon Doctor Tor doesn't
2:02:49
argue. Against I want to I want to
2:02:50
argue that my real. Quick.
2:02:54
Doctor Tor doesn't argue against evolution, Brandon.
2:02:56
He argues against abiogenesis and these are two very different
2:03:00
things. So if if the topic is evolution,
2:03:04
that's don't, I mean, don't bring Doctor Tory to me.
2:03:06
Doesn't really even comment on that.
2:03:07
Just I just want to be clear with that.
2:03:09
I know I interviewed the man and I spend a good amount of time
2:03:13
looking into what he was saying and prepping to actually use
2:03:15
some of his information in debate.
2:03:17
So I know what I'm talking about.
2:03:18
He does not comment on evolution, nor does he say, do
2:03:22
you interview him to debate him or what?
2:03:27
I don't need to debate him. I, I interviewed him.
2:03:29
I, I had him on my show to talk about how nationalism failed to
2:03:33
explain abiogenesis. That has nothing to do with
2:03:36
evolution. That abiogenesis has nothing to
2:03:40
do with evolution. You understand that, right?
2:03:43
Sure. OK, great.
2:03:45
There we go. I want to make he is right.
2:03:48
He is right on that. He is right the the theory does
2:03:51
the same thing on abiogenesis. So make the case that a
2:03:56
microevolution does not lead to macroevolution.
2:03:58
Yeah, yeah. So microevolution has been
2:04:04
observed in many different contexts in many different ways.
2:04:09
So for instance, what microevolution is, basic
2:04:12
microevolution is basically the change in allele frequency
2:04:17
within a population over time. And if you define evolution that
2:04:22
way, then yes, evolution is true because what is an allele?
2:04:26
An allele is basically a genetic expression.
2:04:29
So we could think about it like an eye color.
2:04:31
We can just, let's just simplify it to blue eyes and brown eyes.
2:04:35
All right, let's say the allele frequency is 75%.
2:04:38
It doesn't have to be humans. It could be anything.
2:04:41
Let's say the allele frequency is 75% blue, 25% brown.
2:04:46
And that's the, you know, what we observe initially, there are
2:04:53
in many ways we can see it shift from that allele frequency to a
2:04:58
different allele frequency, like to shift to 75% brown over time.
2:05:03
Yes, things like that have happened.
2:05:06
We have creatures that have long fur and short fur, and the short
2:05:12
fur ones will die out, leaving only the the long fur ones.
2:05:16
OK, microevolution, congratulations.
2:05:18
But there's really nothing new appearing there's.
2:05:20
Evolution requires new genetic information.
2:05:24
Microevolution is basically the shifting in existing gene genes
2:05:32
as they're already expressed. And it and it can also be loss
2:05:34
of information, but where they would argue is like duplication
2:05:37
of genes and they'll say that's that's adding new information.
2:05:40
Macro Duplicated macro also generally involves a very
2:05:44
extended period of time. It's not like within six months
2:05:48
you'll see a big leak in. But not.
2:05:50
Process, but not not necessarily like a punctuated equilibrium.
2:05:53
I mean, it can happen in thousands of years.
2:05:55
That's the problem. See, they've covered all their
2:05:57
bases. They'll say graduated evolution,
2:06:00
like slow point mutations, which is gradualism.
2:06:05
And then they'll say stasis, which it doesn't happen at all
2:06:07
for thousands and even millions of years because we've seen like
2:06:11
Cilicant, you know what I mean, not changing millions and
2:06:14
millions and hundreds of millions of years.
2:06:16
And then they'll say, well, we got punctuated equilibrium.
2:06:19
So it can happen very quickly in thousands of years.
2:06:21
So really if you look at it, they got all their bases
2:06:23
covered. It's almost impossible to
2:06:25
falsify and that but. What if?
2:06:26
What if the Bible is true and we're only about 6000 years old?
2:06:31
Well, that's definitely sounds. Like we.
2:06:34
Need to have our young? It sounds like you're us once
2:06:37
again assuming. Something.
2:06:38
Yeah, I. Mean.
2:06:43
Yeah, I think I can answer that. If the Bible says that we're
2:06:46
6000 years old again, whether or not we are not able, yeah, If
2:06:50
humanity is 6000 years old, it's not because the Bible says that,
2:06:54
because when the Bible says that we are like humanity is 6000
2:06:59
years older, God again creation 6000 years.
2:07:02
It's doing that for a very theological reason, as in like
2:07:08
it has to do with temple theology.
2:07:10
A case in point. There's a reason, for instance,
2:07:13
that God created the world in six days.
2:07:15
The ark of the Covenant took six months to build, and it took six
2:07:19
years for Solomon to dedicate the temple.
2:07:21
These are not random numbers. These are numbers that are meant
2:07:25
to further a theological goal. Which is so back up real quick.
2:07:30
Where did you get 6 months to build the ark from?
2:07:34
I could be wrong, but I believe that's actually what what's
2:07:38
going on in the Torah. It says that it took about six
2:07:42
months to actually construct the Torah.
2:07:44
I'm sorry. On the the Ark of the Covenant,
2:07:46
Sorry. No.
2:07:47
So for the for the people out there who believe in the young
2:07:51
Earth concept, and I'm curious, do you believe that the universe
2:07:55
is also under 10,000 years since we're going within the
2:07:58
beginning? I think if you take a look at,
2:08:02
you know, Doctor Danny Faulkner, Doctor Jason Lyle, you know,
2:08:07
some of their work and also Doctor Russell Humphreys.
2:08:12
Yeah, they they have some real strong arguments.
2:08:16
As to why? But why can't you just answer
2:08:19
the question? The question from Brett was, if
2:08:22
you believe in a sub 10,000 year old Earth, does that also apply
2:08:27
to the universe? Yes, all of creation includes.
2:08:33
The universe. I have no idea how we're
2:08:35
existing then. Well.
2:08:37
Yeah, I know you don't because you don't believe scripture.
2:08:41
Well, I I believe in Scripture, but I don't see any kind of
2:08:44
mathematical estimate of the Earth's age on.
2:08:47
That, well, just basic Oh. Go ahead, go ahead.
2:08:50
Go ahead. No, you go ahead.
2:08:54
The basic argument for that is that if if we are if the
2:08:58
universe is sub 10,000 years old, then we should be sitting
2:09:02
on a massive boiling space rock that's not quite done forming
2:09:07
yet. And we're clearly not, because
2:09:10
we're having this conversation. That's the dumbest thing I've
2:09:13
ever heard, right? But.
2:09:15
Hey, you ever you ever thought about things like you know
2:09:17
about? I think about stuff like this,
2:09:18
like where did the all? The water, it really all.
2:09:20
Yeah, Yeah. Not really.
2:09:25
Though well. 325 trillion trillion gallons of water on.
2:09:30
There, Yeah, yeah. Your whole thought though is
2:09:32
totally tainted with this evolutionary and billions a year
2:09:35
shit. Brandon, that's ridiculous.
2:09:38
That's like going to a mechanic who specializes in working in
2:09:42
Lamborghini. Then tell excuse me Sir, I'm
2:09:45
not. Let him finish.
2:09:47
You got to let. You what?
2:09:48
You I'm going to put this in terms you might understand.
2:09:52
What you just said is like going to a specialist mechanic.
2:09:56
OK, I'm just going to over talk you because you apparently don't
2:09:58
have the maturity to wait. What you just said is tantamount
2:10:02
to the equivalent of telling a specialty mechanic who only
2:10:06
works on Italian sports sports cars that he doesn't know how to
2:10:09
work on a Lamborghini because the only thing he has in his
2:10:13
shop right now are a bunch of Ferraris.
2:10:17
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
2:10:18
That would be. Circular reason or incredulity?
2:10:25
So Brandon, where do you get the theological view that the the
2:10:28
earth is under 10,000 years old, if you don't mind me asking?
2:10:32
I mean, you're saying it's in the Bible.
2:10:34
Where is it in the Bible? I agree it's in the Bible.
2:10:38
Well, I believe that, you know, in the Bible it talks about, you
2:10:41
know, creation of the the entire creation happened in six literal
2:10:47
days. And on the 7th day he rested.
2:10:51
All right. And so how old, how old was Adam
2:10:54
and Eve before death was and sin were brought into the world?
2:11:00
Yeah. I don't have the exact number on
2:11:03
that number. I know.
2:11:08
And that reinforces my earlier point.
2:11:11
Yeah, this is what I'm saying though is if you look at other
2:11:16
scientific evidence, Doctor Russell Humphries accurately
2:11:21
predicted what the gravitational field of Saturn would be long
2:11:26
before the Voyager satellite got there because he built his model
2:11:31
and a peer reviewed model, he he based it off of biblical 6000
2:11:38
year. Well, that that's me.
2:11:40
That's nice, but it's also meaningless.
2:11:42
My point is validated that I said my.
2:11:47
My point is validated that I said earlier you are willing to
2:11:52
take that parts of the Bible literal that suit your argument,
2:11:57
but in truth you are not the literalist you claim to be.
2:12:03
Correct. Yeah, correct.
2:12:05
Because I will tell you this one, Brandon.
2:12:07
Thanks, Daniel. You're not completely a
2:12:09
literalist, because if you're going to, if you're going to
2:12:13
believe in a six day creation, then you can't say that the
2:12:16
Earth is 6000 years old. That makes any sense that did.
2:12:23
Not because because you would have to add 6000 into the
2:12:27
scripture outside of the Bible. Well, that I.
2:12:30
Can very. Much they can.
2:12:32
They can get 6000 guys. The other problem here?
2:12:36
That wasn't my point, Brett. Is pretty much say that the
2:12:40
Earth is. Six days old.
2:12:42
Because it's a 6-8 creation. Well, if I, if I can add the
2:12:45
thought, Brett asked a very good question about the age of Adam
2:12:49
and Eve. Brandon could not answer it.
2:12:51
That's the point. I'm driving it.
2:12:53
You're not a literalist, Brandon, as you claim to be,
2:12:57
because you're going to make OK. Why?
2:13:00
Why is it every time I go to talk either Anthony or Brandon,
2:13:04
you're That's why. I've been.
2:13:06
What the hell is wrong with you? I haven't spoken at all.
2:13:09
I think, I think, I think Brandon, you are probably
2:13:12
betraying a little bit of literalism, if literalism is
2:13:15
indeed your hermeneutic approach and you're kind of ignoring all
2:13:18
possibility of metaphor or, you know, hyperbole or you know,
2:13:22
exactly. That's.
2:13:26
The thing, the principle that I'd like to throw into the
2:13:29
conversation, and not because it, you know, this is the idea
2:13:32
that's kind of stepped over sometimes.
2:13:35
For God to communicate the exact mechanism scientifically as to
2:13:40
how he created life or even created Adam and Eve would be so
2:13:44
complex and so intensive. It would probably be far beyond
2:13:50
the capacities of human beings to even attain a level of
2:13:54
understanding, to even coherently grasp what God is
2:13:58
saying in terms of his process and mechanisms and, and what he
2:14:01
would have had to do to create life.
2:14:03
So it's far beyond our ability. So we cannot ever expect God to
2:14:06
communicate with us. You know, certainly at his
2:14:08
level, that's ridiculous. It's insane to have such a
2:14:12
grandiose expectation that we could communicate at the same
2:14:14
level as God. Sarah getting stupid so God has
2:14:17
to talk down to us. OK, so clearly at some level
2:14:22
it's not literal. OK, certainly not at God's level
2:14:27
it's not literal. He's going to have to paint it
2:14:29
in some type of way where our tiny pitiful little peon brains
2:14:34
can grasp it with some level of truth.
2:14:37
And generally the best way to do that is going to be some form of
2:14:41
analogy. Now, let me say this.
2:14:44
I am not atheistic evolutionist. I am an older fur, but I will
2:14:48
say this when it comes to the theistic evolution view versus
2:14:53
the older few, to me, it's completely and utterly
2:14:57
irrelevant whether God collected quote, UN quote literal dust of
2:15:02
the earth as in dirt or dust of the earth as in biological
2:15:08
matter to construct Adam or selected Adam among the dust of
2:15:14
the earth among creatures that were there and and he was a
2:15:19
special creation that it it it's not to me really relevant.
2:15:22
The mechanism, the method that God chose that he did not
2:15:27
explicitly or literally communicate to us is, is not
2:15:31
really my concern. The concern at the end of the
2:15:33
day is that God created man. I think that's really what it
2:15:38
boils down to. And what happens is with these
2:15:41
God damn young earthers, and I'm going to say it because I mean
2:15:44
it, because you fucking nut jobs are so hyper focused on this
2:15:49
bullshit as if it somehow makes Christianity look stronger.
2:15:53
And it doesn't. Let me tell you something, it
2:15:54
doesn't not by any stretch of the imagination.
2:15:58
Does being a young earther make the Bible look good any more
2:16:02
than being a flat earther does. OK, It's it's it's a.
2:16:06
It's a desire. It's a well, no, it's not.
2:16:11
No, it's not. You want to, you want to push
2:16:14
back. Is Genesis friends again or
2:16:16
equal context field, multiple fields of sciences who have no
2:16:20
reason to lie to each other unless you're presenting some
2:16:24
grandiose Satan inspired conspiracy and then what?
2:16:29
And then what if we believe in old Earth?
2:16:31
Oh look, we're believing in a Satan conspiracy.
2:16:34
We must not be saved because we believe in old Earth.
2:16:37
I hate this garbage. I hate it.
2:16:39
It's cultist, it's it's nonsensical.
2:16:43
It wants to push against good reason, good logic.
2:16:46
What is the point of of you guys serving a God that deceived the
2:16:50
shit out of everyone You know, you might as well serve the
2:16:53
Muslim God. How would he?
2:16:55
Hold on, Hold on, hold on. Shut up.
2:17:01
You might as well serve the Muslim God.
2:17:03
Let me tell you something. Your God is the greatest of all
2:17:05
deceivers because because he convinced everyone wrote it down
2:17:09
in scientific. In scientific shut up.
2:17:13
Brandon and let me finish. God is the greatest deceiver in
2:17:19
your world because he went and convinced everyone in multiple
2:17:23
fields of science with no reason to corroborate or lie to each
2:17:28
other, to all adopt seemingly good arguments, perspectives,
2:17:32
and evidences that the earth is old and he did a good job
2:17:35
deceiving the fuck out of everyone.
2:17:38
Now now, either either your God is Satan, you did a real good
2:17:43
job creating the earth in such a way to deceive everyone and
2:17:46
saying it was something different, or, or everyone is
2:17:51
just completely and utterly fucking retarded.
2:17:53
Except you could. I add, could I also add to
2:17:59
Smokey's that's, that's a good place.
2:18:02
Could I add to Smokey's point as well that many of the scientists
2:18:05
who began what we know as Western science today were
2:18:09
Christian people, Christian priests, Christian riots?
2:18:13
Kind of muffled. Now, how about now?
2:18:16
You sound that's better. That's better.
2:18:19
OK, sorry about that. I said many of the Western
2:18:22
scientists or the founders of Western science were Christian
2:18:25
men who wanted to understand the telos of God's creation.
2:18:30
So they began what we know today as science.
2:18:33
I'm not saying all of them were, that would be naive.
2:18:37
But essentially, if you are going to say that, as Smokey
2:18:42
said, in some kind of grandiose satanic conspiratorial cabal
2:18:47
that different fields of science are collaborating to deceive,
2:18:52
that would also make Christian men who are seeking to glorify
2:18:55
God through their scientific studies and exploits complicit
2:18:59
in this satanic cabal. Well, it's not just that, Ryan
2:19:02
and Smokey, that I have an issue with the young Earth issue.
2:19:06
I'm not going to get as excited about it.
2:19:08
But the problem is what I brought up earlier, Ryan.
2:19:11
If you believe that in the beginning, that's where it all
2:19:14
started, then you're going to have to logically claim that the
2:19:17
universe is also under 10,000 years.
2:19:20
And ladies and gentlemen, I can work with you on the planet, but
2:19:24
once you start going into constellations and galaxies and
2:19:27
saying that shit's under 10,000 years.
2:19:30
My goodness folks, have any of you guys ever heard of Doctor
2:19:34
Jason Lyle? Just I'm just curious, what
2:19:39
would you like me to look at? I will look into the
2:19:41
information. I always love learning new
2:19:43
things and hearing different ideas.
2:19:45
But Jason Lyle is a good dude and he is an astrophysicist.
2:19:50
He knows his stuff. He also you went public and and
2:19:54
claimed before they launched the James Webb telescope he told
2:20:00
them you're going to Yunk as. They were expecting to see
2:20:02
unformed galaxies and all of that.
2:20:05
And he said Nope. He went on, you know, public
2:20:08
record and said, Nope, you're going to see fully formed
2:20:11
galaxies. Brandon, I, I heard you say that
2:20:14
a couple of times earlier. Now my question for you is I
2:20:18
will look into this guy. I, I'm, I'm interested totally.
2:20:22
I will look especially if you provide sources, but #2 can you
2:20:26
actually show me a source directly out of the Bible that
2:20:31
gives a mathematical equation of the age of the earth?
2:20:34
Please. Well, that's where they would
2:20:36
take, you know, the age of all of the people, you know, and and
2:20:42
they, you know, by math to determine, you know, at when
2:20:46
Adam begat Seth and all of that, that that's where they come up
2:20:51
with about six to seven, you know, you know, 6000 ish years.
2:20:58
No one has an exact. That that is not that is not a
2:21:02
scientific method to determine the age.
2:21:05
I have an another related question.
2:21:07
Sure. It's not though.
2:21:08
That's I I have another. Oh, OK.
2:21:11
I'm just going to, I'm just going to forget my southern
2:21:13
upbringing over talk. Brandon.
2:21:15
I have a related point that I'm going to bring up when you're
2:21:18
done, Brett. Well, I I'm just waiting for
2:21:21
Brandon to give a mathematical equation directly out of the
2:21:25
Bible. I appreciate you wanting me to
2:21:27
go listen to this guy who claims to be a scientist, but can you
2:21:30
actually make? No, Jason Lyle is very you.
2:21:33
You'll be very happy to listen to him.
2:21:35
If you're serious about like, you know the other side, well,
2:21:37
I'll. Check it out.
2:21:38
I just want to know is there a biblical argument?
2:21:41
Is there a source in the Bible that we can work with?
2:21:45
Yes, by. Adding up the ages of all of the
2:21:48
people from Adam to, to, you know, there's a certain point
2:21:54
where they start from to come to this equation.
2:21:58
OK, so, OK, let's, let's go with that.
2:22:01
Brandon, I, I, I've heard this before.
2:22:04
Now, didn't each one of these people live from 1000 years?
2:22:08
Don't you start running out of your 6000 years after a little
2:22:11
while and just one single genealogy alone?
2:22:15
You do. No, you don't.
2:22:17
It also depends on how you add that, because if you add these
2:22:20
numbers incorrectly you will get different numbers.
2:22:24
Because how old was? How old was Melchizedek?
2:22:27
And I mean, wasn't Seth? He was like almost 809 hundred
2:22:32
something years old? Adam, my believe was 900 plus.
2:22:35
Well holy shit, that's 1000 years.
2:22:38
Now you're down to five and we have.
2:22:40
Well, you understand. Whoa, whoa, you understand?
2:22:42
Though he didn't wait till he was almost 1000 to reproduce.
2:22:45
Right. No, that's not the.
2:22:46
But that's not. The point, Chris?
2:22:49
The thing about us too, when we actually look at these
2:22:51
genealogies, we notice some really weird things about it.
2:22:55
So for instance, when we look at David's lineage, I'm not.
2:22:59
Even necessarily young Arthur, I'm.
2:23:01
Just go ahead. Like when we look at it Genesis
2:23:04
5, when we go to Adam and Noah, it's exactly 10 generations.
2:23:09
As it turns out, the pattern of 10 also represents completeness
2:23:14
in Jewish theology, and so that's likely not an accident.
2:23:18
Meaning these genealogies are written more for theological
2:23:23
reasons than historical scientific ones.
2:23:26
Another one. When we look at the Book of
2:23:27
Chronicles, we see another example of this.
2:23:31
We see, we see David's lineage and it's it's the amount of
2:23:36
years in which the characters in his lineage live can be
2:23:40
divisible by 7. That's also not an accident
2:23:44
because 7 represents perfection. And of course, since David is
2:23:48
considered Israel's first true righteous king, where there was
2:23:52
a quite, a, quite a powerful state he created, that's going
2:23:57
to be represented. It's going to be represented in
2:23:59
the historical record quite favorably.
2:24:01
But what's more. But here's the thing, we need to
2:24:04
ask ourselves, what's more likely that these ages that we
2:24:08
get for these individuals are absolutely literal in a
2:24:10
scientific sense, or that this is something that authors had
2:24:15
put forward to forward their own political, theological and
2:24:19
philosophical claims and games on?
2:24:21
A case in point, something else going on.
2:24:23
When we look at Joseph, I forget how, how, how late did he live?
2:24:28
It was like 79 years old, I think.
2:24:31
Well, as it turns out, when we go when we go into old chemist,
2:24:36
whatever age Joseph died at was considered the age of which holy
2:24:40
men are supposed to die at. What are the odds OK of the fact
2:24:46
that reason? We have to excuse.
2:24:47
Me Bible genealogies. It's very clear these are put
2:24:51
together for reasons other than historical and scientific
2:24:56
claims. Exactly.
2:24:59
Now I have the question for Brandon.
2:25:01
You reference an astrophysicist, Dr. Lyle.
2:25:05
Why do you reject Hugh Ross, who is also an astrophysicist?
2:25:15
Well, I mean, he could. Ask.
2:25:18
He could ask the same question back.
2:25:19
You needed to be opposing, so I mean.
2:25:21
Oh, sorry, I know my I didn't know my my point.
2:25:23
My point is simple. Brandon.
2:25:26
You purport Dr. Lyle, who is an astrophysicist who favors your
2:25:31
position. Why do you reject or object to
2:25:36
Doctor Hugh Ross, who is also an astrophysicist?
2:25:40
Because I think that you know that the Bible is the ultimate
2:25:45
authority and when what the Bible says is what it is, think
2:25:51
that God plays games with our souls that.
2:25:56
I I didn't ask about your sociology.
2:26:00
I know, I know you don't. But anyways, you know God
2:26:03
doesn't. Play.
2:26:04
No, I said. I didn't ask you about your
2:26:06
sociology. Shut.
2:26:07
The fuck up. You're the one that complaints
2:26:10
that I interrupt all of the time and.
2:26:12
You OK? OK, guys.
2:26:14
Time. So bottom line, go on Mikey
2:26:17
Brand I. Believe true or it is not true.
2:26:21
Truth is completely binary. The entire book of Genesis is
2:26:25
written in a historical context as a history book, so it's.
2:26:30
Either you but you have not. You have not answered the
2:26:33
question. Listen, I have.
2:26:36
No, you have not. You have asserted your opinion.
2:26:39
You have not answered the question.
2:26:41
The question was simple. Why do you favor Doctor Lyle,
2:26:45
who you believe as an astrophysicist favors your
2:26:49
points, but you reject Dr. Hugh Ross, who is also an
2:26:53
astrophysicist who does not favor all of your points?
2:26:58
Yeah, because I've listened to many debates between Kent Hovind
2:27:01
and Hugh Ross and and Russell Humphreys and Hugh Ross.
2:27:07
And personally, I think Hugh Ross is a moron who denies the
2:27:12
authority of scripture. OK, look, there's just one
2:27:16
subsequent. Scripture is a breach of
2:27:18
contract. Yeah.
2:27:20
Oh, yeah. We, we know that I don't want to
2:27:21
go down this contractor. Just one follow up.
2:27:24
Just one follow up question. If Doctor Lyle announces
2:27:28
tomorrow that he is becoming a theistic evolutionist or old
2:27:32
Earth creationist, then what? Well then you know you're you
2:27:38
would be right for once. Not answer the question, but
2:27:43
thanks. The point is you have a giant
2:27:46
confirmation bias. Thank you for confirming that.
2:27:49
Feel free. You don't want to accept the
2:27:54
authority of Scripture, you want to deny it.
2:27:58
You don't realize that your position is an act against God's
2:28:02
Word. That's either it's true or it's
2:28:05
not. That's an unfair assumption of
2:28:07
making an attack. Dude, just because you.
2:28:09
Reject. That's.
2:28:11
What? Well, yeah, well.
2:28:12
You can keep saying that unless you elaborate that much, like
2:28:15
most of your anecdotes. That you haven't elaborated.
2:28:17
Since now. The basic theory on on the age
2:28:24
of everything from creation roughly Adam to Abraham was it
2:28:30
was somewhere around 2000 years. Abraham to Christ was another
2:28:35
2000 ish and then Christ to today is another 2000 ish.
2:28:43
So I I mean, that's where the number comes.
2:28:45
From that's that's. The most unscientific way I've
2:28:48
ever heard a date. Go ahead.
2:28:49
What were you going to say something bro?
2:28:53
Yeah, two things. Well, yeah, you didn't really
2:28:55
need to ask those questions to know why Brandon Irish prefers.
2:29:01
Unless I'm Lyle over here, Ross. Secondly, just feast your eyes,
2:29:07
folks. This is what fundamentalism does
2:29:09
to your brain. Oh no, I asked those questions
2:29:12
because I wanted Brandon to confirm his gigantic
2:29:15
confirmation bias. Brandon has a massive
2:29:21
confirmation bias. He is assumed that he is
2:29:24
correct. He has assumed his reading of
2:29:26
the Bible is the only way to read scripture.
2:29:30
However, if there are the people in the same field, another
2:29:34
astrophysicist, another Christian astrophysicist at
2:29:37
that, and this person is a dumb idiot moron because they don't
2:29:42
take Brandon's position. I'm not radically calling the.
2:29:48
Same things and it's just really cringe when I see it now because
2:29:52
I just I used to be the same. I doubt that you've never been
2:29:57
the same way. And here again, you don't know
2:30:01
that. I was once a young Earth
2:30:08
creationist until I found. Out.
2:30:10
It was bad hermeneutics all along, so congratulations, we're
2:30:15
not really. I mean I I find it.
2:30:18
Hilarious. Brandon, I'm I'm going to just
2:30:21
spell this out for you because you didn't get it.
2:30:23
The questions I've asked you, we're not got you questions.
2:30:27
I just got you to admit exactly where it is that you believe and
2:30:32
that you have a severely limited pool from which you select in
2:30:37
order to make your decisions as such.
2:30:41
As such, you have revealed that you do not follow the Bible.
2:30:46
The Bible tells you to take all matters into consideration,
2:30:48
prove all things, hold fast to that which is good, and you do
2:30:52
not do that. Okey.
2:30:54
Dokey. Thanks anyone.
2:30:57
Brandon, when you get an opportunity, can you post some
2:31:00
links of some of your favorite stuff this guy's talking about?
2:31:03
And I'll look because I, I told you I would.
2:31:06
I will take a look at what it is.
2:31:08
And I wanted to say before we get too far along, I agree with
2:31:11
what Smokey said earlier about the creation and grasping it,
2:31:15
comprehending how God actually got around to doing it.
2:31:18
The issue is, is when I'm hanging out with buds in the
2:31:22
room like what we're doing right now, and one of you decided to
2:31:25
tell them you come from a fucking lizard.
2:31:26
It doesn't bother me a bit. But what bothers me is the
2:31:30
godless teachers indoctrinating our children and pushing this
2:31:34
idea that the Bible is nothing but mythology and their fucking
2:31:38
bullshit's right. That's what gets on my nerves.
2:31:41
Amen. I don't think the Bible is.
2:31:44
I don't think the Bible is mythology, especially not in the
2:31:47
sense that secularist. And Ryan, you're propping up
2:31:50
those those atheist biology teachers brainwashing children.
2:31:53
That's what you're. Doing No, no, I'm not.
2:31:56
I put Doctor Anthony, you know. Wait, wait, wait.
2:31:59
Brandon, hang on a second. Anthony, you, you start, you
2:32:02
stylize yourself as Anthony's philosophy.
2:32:05
I have been engaging with philosophy the whole time I've
2:32:08
been on this panel and it is gone right over your head dude.
2:32:12
I find it hilarious. Ryan, I gotta agree with Ryan
2:32:16
on. That I think that's how you can.
2:32:17
Understand that you deny the authority of Scripture.
2:32:20
You're in total. No, I, I Brandon, I don't.
2:32:23
I don't deny. It's the new.
2:32:28
Bruce for everybody. I get it now.
2:32:30
It don't make sense. It's the new Bruce for.
2:32:34
Oh man. You know what?
2:32:36
Why don't you start elaborating or justifying why everyone is
2:32:41
wrong in reading the Bible except for you?
2:32:43
Well, I I got to say the Smokey and miss Smokey looks like you
2:32:46
got what you want is fight mate you.
2:32:49
Know. What?
2:32:51
Works out. It works out in the end.
2:32:53
Smoking, the smoking that if you went to the old earth, young
2:32:55
earth or anything like that, it was going to be a fight some
2:32:58
ways from now. I mean.
2:33:01
I. Would love to debate the issue.
2:33:05
I don't know, Brandon. I would love it.
2:33:07
I. Don't think you're ready.
2:33:10
I mean, maybe, maybe. Brandon.
2:33:13
Brandon, I have a question for you.
2:33:15
I was just in the kitchen cooking supper dinner, but
2:33:17
another question for you. So how long?
2:33:20
How long was it between the time that God created Adam and God
2:33:26
brought him to the car? How long a period?
2:33:28
Of time was that do you think Yeah, that's what I just you
2:33:32
know roughly I just went over that that, you know from Adam to
2:33:36
Abraham was roughly 2000. No, you're not listening to me.
2:33:39
Can you hear my question? Listen, listen what I'm saying
2:33:42
how how long was it from when Adam was created till he was
2:33:46
brought to the garden feed. Well, I think there's lots of
2:33:51
references that you know where, where you know that there wasn't
2:33:55
a great deal of time that went by.
2:33:59
How do you know that? How do you know that?
2:34:02
Do you know the order of events? Do you know the order of events?
2:34:06
What happened first? Did he, did he the garden or did
2:34:09
he create what happened first? Yeah.
2:34:11
I mean, you know, I don't want to speak out of the side of my
2:34:14
neck. I'm just saying that there are a
2:34:17
lot of, you know, references. He created Adam.
2:34:21
He created Adam first. He created Adam 1st and then it
2:34:25
says he planted a garden, then say he created a garden.
2:34:29
I'm not talking like an ex Nilo situation here, you know.
2:34:32
So he planned a garden. So is that how long does it take
2:34:35
the garden to grow? Did he like Fast forward it?
2:34:39
Did he Fast forward Adam's growth and the garden's growth?
2:34:41
Or did he just, you know, let them grow?
2:34:44
Well, if God can speak the whole creation, yeah.
2:34:47
No, no, no, no. I don't care about can.
2:34:49
God can't do anything. That's not the point.
2:34:51
What did he do? And why do you believe that he
2:34:54
did it that way? That that's the point.
2:34:56
Yeah. I believe he did it exactly as
2:34:58
he described it in Genesis 6. Literal days.
2:35:02
The whole creation was done. Right, we wait.
2:35:05
For the garden to grow with Ratum to grow.
2:35:08
No, I believe that they, you know, it was a fully formed
2:35:10
garden that he didn't sit there and have to water the plant
2:35:14
every day. Well, hold on.
2:35:15
I didn't say he created it. It's not like he created it the
2:35:17
way he created the other creatures and the animals says
2:35:20
he planted it. It's not, it's not the same
2:35:23
thing. So.
2:35:24
So. And you're KJV only, aren't you?
2:35:26
Aren't you KJV only? I sure am.
2:35:29
OK, Well, why don't you, why don't you follow your KJV?
2:35:32
Because every time, it seems like every time I come across
2:35:34
something like that's what I'm asking you to follow your own
2:35:37
Bible. We got problems.
2:35:38
I don't know why that is. So I'm.
2:35:41
So I'm going to I'm going to run the spot again and just see if
2:35:44
we can get a clear idea. Because you're the literalist
2:35:45
here, OK? You got to fit all this in your
2:35:49
literal framework, OK? You know mankind doesn't exist
2:35:53
until what they seeks, right? So I'm just trying to make sure
2:35:59
I I understand what you're getting at here.
2:36:02
So are you saying though, that when God planted this garden
2:36:07
that like he needed time for everything to grow, he did as
2:36:12
they need, OK. Or or, you know, he decided it's
2:36:15
going to take AI. Don't.
2:36:17
I don't see. I don't see any reason to think
2:36:20
that God would have necessarily. Here's the.
2:36:25
Thing let. Me point some out to you.
2:36:28
This is this is kind of like how dumb it gets in my mind when we
2:36:31
get to like the young earther arguments, because we're talking
2:36:33
about God who can do anything. You, you make this the big
2:36:36
point, right? And he he his own creation is
2:36:40
set up for plants to grow and seeds.
2:36:42
And he's already created that he's created that exists.
2:36:46
And now suddenly for no reason whatsoever, you're just you
2:36:50
horning this idea that God comes in and creates super magic, mega
2:36:54
growth power because the creation that he created.
2:36:57
It the way that it is, is. Insufficient to his immediate
2:37:01
purpose and he's got to speed shit up.
2:37:03
Like do you see how ridiculous it starts to fucking sound if
2:37:07
you're talking about the holy God before it all about?
2:37:13
And yet he. Didn't program it appropriately
2:37:17
for his ultimate purpose in creation.
2:37:20
Yeah, just for just for I guess what, sustenance or something
2:37:24
itself overtime creation of that to where he's got to speed it up
2:37:29
because what you say so so but you why can't you just rely upon
2:37:35
his creation the way he created it to do what it's going to do?
2:37:38
The way that you want but. For example, he did create the
2:37:43
plants and everything before he, you know, the sun.
2:37:48
So there's, you know how long. Let's go about sunshine.
2:37:52
The old Earth interpretation. The old Earth interpretation of
2:37:55
the sun already existed. Sun was revealed on them.
2:37:59
OK. Well, according to Scripture,
2:38:01
though, plants were created first before the sun.
2:38:06
OK. In your worldview, yes, which is
2:38:08
stupid. And it's yeah, my Bible
2:38:10
worldview. Yes.
2:38:12
Yes. No, No, no, no, no, no.
2:38:14
Let's be clear, your interpretation OK?
2:38:18
And and this is an interpretation anybody that can
2:38:21
just let not even a. Consistent.
2:38:23
Not even a consistent interpretation in your side at
2:38:26
all, because you're not really. If you'd like to debate it,
2:38:29
let's debate it. Where are they are doing it
2:38:32
right now? Brandon, with all due respect,
2:38:35
as as he as he who did debate you, you barely engaged in our
2:38:40
debate. You just for postulated
2:38:42
questions so I think you should go study some more.
2:38:47
How much time went by and what justification he has for how
2:38:52
much time went by from when he created Adam to when he planted
2:38:56
the garden and then brought Adam to the garden.
2:38:58
Keep in mind, all of this stuff has to happen supposedly, I
2:39:01
guess in what, 12 hours? 24 hours?
2:39:03
Granted, what? What is it?
2:39:05
What is it exactly? Like, he's got it.
2:39:07
He's got to create Adam, OK, And he's going to create and he's
2:39:10
got to plant the garden and I guess make it grow real real
2:39:13
extra fast and then bring Adam over to the garden.
2:39:18
OK, so he's so real quick. Why do you, why is Adam?
2:39:22
I'll tell you what, if it's fitting in in 24 hours, why
2:39:24
isn't it just like that? And, and it's all created and
2:39:27
it's that Adam's there. It's in the garden.
2:39:29
Garden's already existing, and God is.
2:39:31
Created Hey Smoking Augustine believed exactly that, that six
2:39:35
days were symbolic and the universe was created all at
2:39:38
once. Augustines View.
2:39:41
That's so, but do you believe that Adam was a fully grown man
2:39:45
when he was created or? The scripture nowhere says that
2:39:49
he. There's no description of that.
2:39:51
You have you are the 1. Hold on, shut up.
2:39:54
You are the 1 making a pace that he is a grown man at the time of
2:40:00
this great is you're the burden of proof is on you.
2:40:02
You don't get to like just shove it on to us.
2:40:05
You are the 1 making the claim we have not made.
2:40:07
Any claim yet? At all.
2:40:09
You're the one making the claim for your young Earth
2:40:12
interpretation that he was a grown man.
2:40:14
So show us where you get that. That Adam was a grown man when
2:40:23
he was created, Yes. Man.
2:40:25
Let's just debate this. Just debate.
2:40:29
You are a debate, Brandon Smokey.
2:40:32
Allow. Allow me, Smokey.
2:40:34
Oh. This would be so.
2:40:36
Much Allow. Allow me, Smokey Brandon.
2:40:40
You're in a debate right now, smooth brain, and you're getting
2:40:43
miserably slaughtered. I know, I know, I know.
2:40:47
Anyways, I would love to have an actual formal debate.
2:40:53
In the meantime, well, hold on, hold on Brandon.
2:40:56
In the meantime, let me make Brandon's point for him more
2:40:58
argument for him. When you actually look at the
2:41:01
name Adam, it comes, it comes from a root word, which
2:41:06
literally means man, like actual man.
2:41:10
And it also can mean to blush and, and so and so it refers to
2:41:15
a individual, a man that is Caucasian enough he's able to
2:41:19
blush. And so, given that, it's much
2:41:23
more likely than not the author envisions Adam to be a full
2:41:27
grown adult man. Well, there is another thing
2:41:32
that for some reason nobody's brought up.
2:41:34
But in ancient times, a person was considered, they could be
2:41:37
considered a man by 1314. So there's that.
2:41:41
And then the fact that there was, wasn't there a concept of
2:41:45
immortality before death and sin was brought in the world?
2:41:49
So there's that. Something to think about.
2:41:55
Yeah, absolutely. He did step away for one second.
2:41:57
Well, but Brandon, do you just, do you just want to have like a
2:42:02
separate? Why?
2:42:03
Why can this debate not happen now?
2:42:05
Do you need like a separate? Yeah, I know, I know.
2:42:12
Yeah, I know. You don't use chat DBT because
2:42:15
you're super smart. What, Brandon, you realize what
2:42:18
you just said, right? Freaking minute.
2:42:20
What does that? Mean wait, no, no, Boki, hang on
2:42:23
a second. Brandon, Brandon, you just
2:42:26
called Brandon, you just called yourself stupid.
2:42:30
Do you realize that I. I of course I think all of us
2:42:33
are fucking stupid at this point in time, yes.
2:42:36
No, Brandon, you what? You just you just mocked Smokey
2:42:40
implying that he was smart. The inverse would then be true.
2:42:44
And everyone else who does not use ChatGPT is stupid.
2:42:46
You just called yourself stupid. I know I am so anyway.
2:42:53
Then. This would be, you know, I think
2:42:56
it would be a great debate, you know, when it when it says that.
2:42:59
Then do it now. Do it now.
2:43:02
Man out of the dust Instead of, you know, he, he formed a child
2:43:08
out of the dust. That's why I mean just reading
2:43:12
it in context with fucking common sense.
2:43:15
But. Here again, you're not.
2:43:20
No, you're not a literalist. And on.
2:43:26
The 7th day God created the serpent seed.
2:43:36
God. Forgot.
2:43:38
If he's a literalist. If he's a literalist then it was
2:43:41
a literal tree with a literal fruit that a literal eve
2:43:44
literally ate. Not getting fucked by a snake
2:43:48
retard. OK so you are you are a
2:43:51
literalist. I don't know where the fuck you
2:43:52
get serpents eat from. He was beguiled.
2:43:56
She was beguiled, Smokey. Of course they had intercourse.
2:44:01
Brandon, I don't know if you heard what I said earlier.
2:44:03
I don't know if you were. I did not.
2:44:05
I did not. Sorry.
2:44:06
Back back in the ancient times, a person, a person be 1314 could
2:44:12
be considered a man. All right, Sure.
2:44:19
Yeah, there's literally nowhere in the scripture that says that.
2:44:22
You know, they were a little grown.
2:44:23
Men. Basically Basically Genesis 1
2:44:28
was a summary and Genesis 2 was just.
2:44:31
How long do you think after the situation went down with the
2:44:34
serpent when Eve begat Seth, You know, you think that young that
2:44:41
they were, you know, grown adults then, or I mean, that's
2:44:46
the problem we were talking about, Brandon.
2:44:48
Adam and Eve supposedly allegedly existed for a long
2:44:52
period of time before sin and death came into the world.
2:44:55
We don't know the time frame of that.
2:44:57
You're the young earther. That's where you come in.
2:45:00
And second of all, like, why? Why would God wed together
2:45:04
children all right? So.
2:45:08
They were. That's why Adam and Eve were
2:45:10
fully formed adults. Yeah, but you need to give me a
2:45:14
prescription or description. Description that says that they
2:45:17
were fully formed and so far you.
2:45:19
Lord God formed man of the crust of the ground, 3 endless
2:45:26
nostrils. The issue is Yukon.
2:45:29
Someone could give you that. Someone could give you that
2:45:31
answer if they weren't retarded. OK, I I got to ask and this will
2:45:39
go to Ryan. Ryan or Smokey or Miss Smokey?
2:45:42
If you guys are here, do you believe that before death and
2:45:46
sin was introduced in the world, did Adam and Eve even go through
2:45:50
an aging period? I will simply say my thought on
2:45:55
that and that's all that it is. The scripture doesn't per SE
2:45:58
tell us, but it is likely. Now that's all I believe it at.
2:46:04
I don't honestly give that much thought.
2:46:06
I would assume they probably did.
2:46:09
I think I would draw an illusion to the idea that that had
2:46:13
something to do with their connection and access to the
2:46:15
tree of life. Exactly, exactly.
2:46:18
I think that probably was. I don't know.
2:46:22
I mean, I don't want to go down the whole thing.
2:46:24
Was it a tree? Was it something else?
2:46:25
Is this metaphor whatever? You know, the point is that they
2:46:27
had access to. Something that it regenerated
2:46:30
them. Right.
2:46:31
Yeah, for sure, for sure. So I think that is probably most
2:46:36
likely what you have in terms of their longevity is that that
2:46:41
this thing was, you know, think of basically like, you know,
2:46:44
just the general cure all, you know, curing everything, you
2:46:47
know, including, you know, the mutations, probably genetic
2:46:50
mutations, curing just about everything you could possibly,
2:46:52
you know, think of that could be a deviation, you know, in terms
2:46:55
of the health of a human being. And they had access to this
2:46:59
thing, which is, and I think it's kind of interesting where
2:47:01
we're going to kick out of the garden.
2:47:03
Like one of the, the reasons God says is that, you know, this is
2:47:06
essentially so they can't, you know, eat of the, of the tree of
2:47:10
life and continue to live. Essentially the idea that
2:47:13
they're continuing to live in this, in this state of
2:47:14
perdition, in this fallen state where they can never be redeemed
2:47:18
by them being judged and cursed in a way to actually experience
2:47:21
death. They now have the chance at
2:47:24
redemption through the sending of the, the death of the son.
2:47:27
So it's actually all part of me. Even in terms of pre
2:47:31
programming, the plan of salvation is even inside the
2:47:35
very first judgement against the fall of man.
2:47:40
There's already, you know, clearly the set plan in place to
2:47:44
redeem and it's even pre programmed in the judgement
2:47:47
itself for them to be redeemable, which is of course
2:47:51
isolating and separating them from the tree of life.
2:47:54
So that's my take on it anyway. Can I add a quick small point to
2:47:57
what Smokey just said, that today we have viruses and they
2:48:02
really don't even know what a virus is.
2:48:03
You know, is it alive? Is it a lot?
2:48:05
And I think before, you know, they were energy, you know, and
2:48:10
they were to fix, fix any errors, you know what I mean?
2:48:12
Going around. And now it's like you have
2:48:15
snippets of code that's in the computer that go rogue and
2:48:18
create viruses and you know, naturally and people make them
2:48:20
too. But you know, that's that's
2:48:24
what, when they were eating from the quote UN quote free life,
2:48:28
you know, it was sustaining them and regenerating them and
2:48:30
keeping them, you know what I mean?
2:48:31
So we don't really know how long they could have lived like that,
2:48:34
you know, a long time. So I mean, and also like when,
2:48:38
you know, he pulled the rib from Adam, you know, was Adam still a
2:48:43
child when they pulled the rib to, you know, create a wife for
2:48:47
him? No way to be able to actually,
2:48:52
there's no way to be able to tell what phase or is that a
2:48:55
common sense? You would you could be able to
2:48:58
tell from the context. It was obviously a grown man.
2:49:03
Yeah. But brain in animals, it goes in
2:49:06
the information about how Adam was walking around, describes
2:49:10
him as being lonely and all that.
2:49:12
Why it even led to the point where the woman was brought into
2:49:16
the the the scenario. So there's there's some time
2:49:20
that's passed. It's not like he wakes up and
2:49:22
goes 05 seconds later. I'm lonely.
2:49:25
I need a woman. It's it wasn't like that.
2:49:28
It shows that there was a process there.
2:49:33
Well, I get. The impression?
2:49:34
That like on this seventh or eighth days when I was created
2:49:39
and I don't know, I mean to pull a rib from a child to give him a
2:49:44
wife seems odd to me. Once again, you're not a
2:49:50
literalist. Well, thank you for pointing
2:49:54
that out. I I think the problem is that
2:49:57
evolution is a tool used by atheists to turn people away
2:50:00
from God, and therefore these evolutionists are propping up
2:50:04
the atheists and aiding and and and vetting them essentially so.
2:50:08
OK, Well then if that's if that's the case, then don't go
2:50:11
to a doctor. Well, Doctor.
2:50:15
Lee. A doctor doesn't need, doesn't
2:50:19
need anything to do evolution to be a doctor.
2:50:22
But it's not my but that's not my point.
2:50:24
My point is that if if we're going to go to those levels of
2:50:28
satanic grand conspiracies or atheistic friends, conspiracy is
2:50:32
going to be consistent. Don't go to the doctor.
2:50:36
There's a lot of doctors. Ryan, I think a lot of us, I
2:50:39
think a lot of us in here, at least the rational ones at
2:50:42
least, will probably say there's a lot of beautiful, great things
2:50:46
about science, a lot of great things invented by Christian
2:50:49
scientists. However, just because one has an
2:50:52
issue with a particular field of science doesn't mean we're
2:50:56
taking shit on all of that. You get understand?
2:51:01
Yeah, I've done a great deal of study on who's in control of our
2:51:05
education system, and I have a problem with the Catholic Church
2:51:11
being in control of the entire education system.
2:51:15
Since this is now part of the topic of conversation, since it
2:51:20
is now part of the topic of conversation, I'm just going to
2:51:23
say it. I've never said that I favored a
2:51:26
Department of Education. I don't.
2:51:29
I'm glad that they're talking about doing well with it.
2:51:31
I hope they do. OK, OK, real quick, but hold on,
2:51:35
Brandon. You have no idea how much I wish
2:51:38
that was true. OK?
2:51:39
Believe me, the Catholic Church doesn't control the educational
2:51:42
system. If it did, everything would be
2:51:45
much better. The fact of the matter is you
2:51:48
have no idea how much I wish this grand conspiracy of Jesuits
2:51:52
the. Catholic is the OR of Babylon.
2:51:55
It is Satan's bride. They.
2:51:58
Are and here we go the. Devil period.
2:52:01
It's Satan's Broad and all the reformers for Brandon were lost
2:52:05
they. Brainwash little children.
2:52:07
They fund Hitler. They have murdered, not the.
2:52:12
Children, not the children. That's just the truth.
2:52:17
Sorry. So we jumped from creationism in
2:52:20
Genesis to Adolf Hitler. The capital, that's where.
2:52:23
Where? Hey, that's where you where.
2:52:25
These all these well educated scientists.
2:52:29
Hey Brett, have you ever heard of Godwin's Law?
2:52:33
Say it again. Have you ever heard of Godwin's
2:52:36
Law? I'd have to look it up, it
2:52:39
sounds familiar. It's it's basically like as the
2:52:43
Internet discussion or a discussion online goes further
2:52:47
along, the probability of it reaching comparison to Hitler is
2:52:53
almost 100%. I don't know if any of you seen
2:52:56
his Hitler's Diary, but he clearly had hatred towards
2:53:00
Christianity. Well, yeah, I was wanting to say
2:53:02
he absolutely. What are you talking about?
2:53:06
Hitler's. Well, no, Brett.
2:53:08
Brett Keene is right. Hitler hated Christianity and
2:53:12
the beliefs Hitler held were definitely not believed, which
2:53:16
would be considered orthodox. Agreement.
2:53:20
Agreement Brandon. We're all well aware that the
2:53:27
Catholic Church was manipulated by Hitler and all that, and
2:53:31
Hitler manipulated a lot of. However, however, however his
2:53:37
journal was found and he says some pretty snaky shit about
2:53:41
Christianity. It's not nice.
2:53:44
If you look up, you can, you can even go on YouTube and watch the
2:53:48
entire Nuremberg trials where they questioned the Catholic
2:53:52
Church. Why were you giving Hitler all
2:53:55
this money? And they explained, oh, well,
2:53:58
you know, we wanted to protect our properties and we wanted to
2:54:01
make sure that the children got a good education.
2:54:05
Give me the textbooks and I'll control the state.
2:54:08
One of Hitler's famous. Is there anything that you
2:54:12
believe, Brandon, that is not a conspiracy?
2:54:15
That was was that actually propaganda?
2:54:19
Please Ryan and up you think the Catholic Church is your.
2:54:24
Friend. You more OK, now I again I asked
2:54:27
you, is there anything that you believe that is not a conspiracy
2:54:31
and you automatically jump to something else?
2:54:33
This is the truth, man. But you don't ever want to
2:54:36
listen to anybody that doesn't. I I don't listen to snake oil
2:54:40
salesman who don't know what the hell they're talking about and
2:54:43
can never provide any sources for what they say.
2:54:46
You know what I mean? That's all you seem to believe
2:54:49
is a bunch of. Snake oil.
2:54:50
Salesman and when somebody's I. Think you I've been very plain
2:54:55
about that. I think you are a snake oil
2:54:57
salesman. The truth.
2:54:59
You seem to think they're a snake oil salesman.
2:55:01
Well, no, I think you are a snake oil salesman that.
2:55:05
Your discernment's that fucked up.
2:55:08
I I'm. Keep going, Brandon, Just go.
2:55:12
Right unhanded, you're not helping.
2:55:13
Yourself I. Don't care if you think that I'm
2:55:16
a snake oil salesman. I know who I am and what I'm all
2:55:19
about and I. Don't sure snake oil buddy, I
2:55:21
read. AI read a book called.
2:55:24
Brandon I I do have to ask you, Brandon, do you believe that all
2:55:28
you're OK we're. Talking.
2:55:28
About. People you.
2:55:31
Don't like Brandon, do you believe that all Chris are all
2:55:33
Catholics are going to hell? Just curious.
2:55:36
He does. I believe that if anybody is in
2:55:39
breach of contract, if they are not in covenant with the Lord as
2:55:44
an example, we all can agree that God is all right, right?
2:55:52
God is. All.
2:55:53
You don't think a Catholic can accept Jesus Christ?
2:55:56
No, just hear me out real quick. Just scare me out real.
2:55:59
Quick dodge. Well, come on, wait a minute,
2:56:06
now my dogs are fucking barking again.
2:56:08
Hold on, we have. Cat GTP with them.
2:56:14
You know I have dogs, folks. I'm just.
2:56:18
Important, you need to get rid of chat TTP and go with crock.
2:56:22
It's better. Yeah, I read a book called
2:56:26
Darwin Hitler by Richard Weichert.
2:56:30
And so that's basically what Ryan Ryan the Anglin is he's
2:56:33
he's, he's basically a Hitler acolyte, pruding Hitler's ideas
2:56:39
through evolution. So.
2:56:40
And you Sir are a raging anti seminite because I have a Jewish
2:56:44
ethnicity. I'm just kidding.
2:56:47
But. But that is a real book.
2:56:49
It's called Darwin to Hitler and actually does kind of show how
2:56:54
Hitler, he had a mishmash of beliefs and well, believe it or
2:56:58
not, he was kind of one of these kind of pseudo Christians who
2:57:02
was heavily immersed in evolutionary theories, which is
2:57:06
kind of a very. Similar.
2:57:07
He was, he was. He also was in the mysticism and
2:57:11
yeah. I mean again, Hitler was Hitler
2:57:16
and the s s were involved in a cultist.
2:57:20
They were not Christians by any stretch of the word Catholics.
2:57:29
All Catholics are occultists. All Catholics are occultists.
2:57:35
Listen to this. Well, if you're you know what I
2:57:38
mean, if you're in, if you are not in covenant with the Lord be
2:57:42
and the reason why I asked is God all knowing or not, because
2:57:46
there's that line where he says depart from me.
2:57:49
Ye that work in iniquity I. Never just just answer the
2:57:53
question do all Catholics. Listen, Shut the fuck up and
2:57:57
listen. Jesus, I love everybody.
2:58:01
Listen. To me.
2:58:01
I can't. I can't fucking finish the
2:58:04
sentence. Oh, you can.
2:58:06
You've had many of them. You.
2:58:07
Finished. Lord says I never knew you.
2:58:10
The word new is a fucking covenantal term.
2:58:15
Get it through your fucking heads, morons.
2:58:18
Oh yes, there's that Brandon Irish love of Jesus.
2:58:21
Just say just answer the question then.
2:58:24
Dude, answer the question. It's really simple.
2:58:27
Do do all Catholics go to hell? It's a simple question man,
2:58:31
that. Is not.
2:58:33
Yes or no, Lord? Anyone that's not in covenant
2:58:36
with the Lord is going to hell, period.
2:58:39
OK, well then I stand by what I've been saying for the longest
2:58:42
time now. Brandon, you are a material
2:58:44
Nosta. What can I can I share with you?
2:58:48
Listen to the OK, All right, relax here, Brandon.
2:58:51
Take your time out. Here's the.
2:58:53
It's called hate speech. Here's the quote for you.
2:58:57
OK, guys, that's holy dogs. OK, listen, this is a quote.
2:59:03
This is a quote from Adolf Hitler's journal.
2:59:06
The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of
2:59:11
science. Religion will have to make more
2:59:13
and more concessions. Gradually, the myths crumble.
2:59:18
Now he's saying that about religion, and he clearly
2:59:21
specifically points out Christianity.
2:59:24
So that bitch was not a Christian, ladies and gentlemen.
2:59:27
This is obviously what. Was into Madame, Madame
2:59:30
Blavatsky. That's why you, you, you got a
2:59:34
lot of that crap at the end of his life.
2:59:36
But you can go ahead and look up at historically, the Concordat
2:59:41
agreement, Brandon, he was a politician.
2:59:44
It's his fucking job to be a lying piece of trash.
2:59:47
That's what they do. Well, by by that logic Brandon,
2:59:50
most countries, most countries have signed the Concorde app.
2:59:54
But that doesn't prove what you think it proves.
2:59:58
And Hitler had the Hitler the Catholic Church, and I'm sure
3:00:04
FRO will correct me if I'm wrong.
3:00:06
The Catholic Church forbids its members to be part of any
3:00:11
esoteric or cult group of any kind.
3:00:14
Well, that's the biggest it's. Actually, it's actually.
3:00:17
Interesting. Well, hold on, I'll call it
3:00:19
that. It's actually interesting to
3:00:20
bring that up because prior to Hitler's rise on to being a
3:00:24
chancellor, this wasn't exactly closed door news about him.
3:00:30
People kind of knew about what he was about.
3:00:33
And there were even bishops that would forbid hit people from
3:00:36
voting for Hitler to the point where when we look at the states
3:00:40
that actually elected Hitler as chancellor and into elected
3:00:43
office, they were overwhelmingly Protestant states, mostly in the
3:00:48
north. The ones in the South that vote
3:00:50
voted against Hitler. And so it was essentially what
3:00:53
was a what was kind of a Protestant majority that had
3:00:58
elected Hitler to begin with. And I'm sure Brandon doesn't
3:01:01
know any of this. The fact of the matter is when
3:01:05
you when you look past, we look at history as it is and past
3:01:09
Brandon's irrational conspiracy theories, there's nothing to
3:01:14
what he says. Because again, the church isn't
3:01:16
the only one that signed the Concorde.
3:01:18
A lot of other people did. But you will notice Brandon
3:01:21
won't give those people. That's the same amount of guilt
3:01:24
that he would give me. Of course not, and Brandon
3:01:28
doesn't realize that a concord at is a bilateral covenant slash
3:01:34
treaty. Both parties sign, both parties
3:01:38
make it. I know I didn't know that.
3:01:41
Are you kidding? I know.
3:01:42
Well, Brandon, I provided the Brandon I provided the diary
3:01:46
that I was Speaking of in the private chat.
3:01:49
Anybody that's interested anybody that ever runs on at
3:01:53
you. I I gave the link over for
3:01:56
those. Whatever reason Brett, I thank
3:01:59
you for this. But you also have to understand
3:02:01
Brandon doesn't care he is a bigot.
3:02:04
He's not. He doesn't hold his beliefs
3:02:06
because of actual evidence, he holds it because he has
3:02:09
unreasonable prejudice. Catholic or noun Brandon, I just
3:02:15
provided you This is what he wrote in his own.
3:02:18
I know I know brother I he hated the Catholics.
3:02:23
He wanted to fucking roast them. There's the link right there.
3:02:26
Take care of this is when Hitler Brandon, are you at least going
3:02:31
to look at the fucking I'm I'm looking I'm I'm fucking trying
3:02:35
to clickintox.com right. I'm going to Ed Twitter, right?
3:02:38
Very good, Brandon. OK, I'm not fucking looking at
3:02:42
the fucking X page. Created an account because I'm
3:02:45
not on Twitter. So anyways, create an account
3:02:49
and get on Twitter to read your thing.
3:02:51
People who do not use Twitter of the devil, period.
3:02:55
OK, well, just telling you straight up, Hitler grew up, was
3:03:02
baptized Roman Catholic, then he got all involved in Madame
3:03:06
Blavatsky. Do you know who, Madame?
3:03:09
OK, Well Brandon, do you realize that the Catholic Church does
3:03:13
not maintain process on the first hand, and on the second,
3:03:17
it does have a process whereby 1 can be formally excommunicated,
3:03:22
and you don't necessarily have to be present in order for that
3:03:25
to happen. You're acting like he was a
3:03:28
loyal, devout Catholic his whole life, which Hitler clearly
3:03:32
wasn't. Listen, he was as much Catholic
3:03:36
as your average Catholic. Everything.
3:03:38
Brandon, are you trying to convince Mr. Pope Brian and
3:03:41
myself that a Jew hatin bastard like Hitler actually looked up
3:03:46
to a Messiah who was a Jew? Are you serious?
3:03:50
I think in Hitler's fucked up. Brian.
3:03:52
I will, I will say. He thought he was a good person.
3:03:57
So I will say, Brett, there are a lot of people who profess a
3:04:00
faith in Christ who are very anti-Semitic.
3:04:03
Yeah. Like just in my experience as
3:04:05
someone who is ethnically Jewish, there there are people
3:04:07
who do profess a faith in Christ.
3:04:09
Maybe it's not legitimate, but there are people who profess it
3:04:12
who are very anti-Semitic. She's not wrong there.
3:04:16
There are those people that are extremely Jew hating types of
3:04:22
people. I mean, look at phrase I am.
3:04:24
Yeah, I encourage you guys to look up the the correspondence
3:04:28
letters. Between.
3:04:29
Hitler. And the Archbishop of Germany at
3:04:32
the time, who later became the Pope.
3:04:35
And you tell me what you think about that.
3:04:39
OK. I'm just going to leave it
3:04:40
there. It's relevant, Brandon.
3:04:42
Brandon not that it's. Even if even if Hitler was a
3:04:46
Catholic, what is the relevance of that?
3:04:49
Because it's it's huge proof that the Catholic Church hates
3:04:54
the Jews immensely. They they sure do.
3:04:59
But it yes, they do. Let me, let me.
3:05:01
Share. Wait a second, let me share one
3:05:03
more question. Forgive me, Brett, go on ahead
3:05:06
and say one thing, but I have a follow on question for Brandon.
3:05:09
I'll be. Really, really fast.
3:05:10
Christianity is a Jewish invention.
3:05:14
Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can
3:05:18
ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who thinks to his
3:05:22
diabolic invention has thrown him back 15 centuries that is
3:05:26
Hitler. So the information I provided
3:05:29
you in the source, he might have been whatever.
3:05:32
I don't give a fuck if it was Pentecostal.
3:05:34
At some point in time he ended up sitting there saying some
3:05:38
pretty horrible shit about Christianity.
3:05:39
There's no way he could have endorsed.
3:05:42
OK, well, I'm just now it's really odd that, you know, I
3:05:46
find it extremely suspicious that you grew up all Catholic
3:05:50
and everything. They dumped a butt load of money
3:05:53
in your little war to go out and destroy all of the Jews.
3:05:57
My little war. No, no, no, no, no, no.
3:06:00
Not your little war. I'm talking about their, you
3:06:03
know, for them to go and destroy the Jews.
3:06:05
The Catholic Church funded them. There is documented proof of
3:06:09
this. Please watch Dave Hunt's
3:06:13
documentary called Armageddon, Islam and Israel.
3:06:18
All right, well, hang on just a second.
3:06:20
We'll wait for a wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
3:06:22
Respondents. Letters.
3:06:23
Between. The the.
3:06:25
Archbitch, hold on. Go ahead.
3:06:26
We're. Go ahead.
3:06:30
We're talking. We're talking.
3:06:32
Brandon, you hate me as much as you claim I hate the Jews.
3:06:38
I just want to point this out what you are, Clinton.
3:06:39
Decent point. You're just projecting.
3:06:41
It's. Not a decent point, yeah.
3:06:43
Straight up now my my question. I'm going.
3:06:46
I'm out of Babylon shut. The fuck up, Brian.
3:06:50
No, you don't control me, but. Yeah.
3:06:53
You've Brandon. Brandon, you.
3:06:56
Can't shut the fuck. Up is Paul.
3:06:58
What was Paul Pots? Hey, you are a.
3:07:00
Mental Child. Before I let Ryan continue and
3:07:06
I, I. Promise I'll let you write.
3:07:08
It's basically it's kind of like Brandon.
3:07:10
Brandon is like saying, I mean, the Catholics are evil because
3:07:15
of the inquisitions. Like if you're gonna, if you're
3:07:17
gonna point to a one part of a tragic time to say that one
3:07:22
particular group is evil, that's very it is.
3:07:26
Okay, let me let me show you naivete, Brandon.
3:07:30
What was Pol Potts religion? Don't use ChatGPT.
3:07:34
Who is? Coal pot I don't even.
3:07:37
Know who the. Fuck that is.
3:07:38
Oh wow, you you have never heard of the Khmer Rouge?
3:07:45
No, I haven't. Brandon, you don't realize that
3:07:48
like a pot smoker. I mean, the Spaniards must be
3:07:51
evil because they brought Catholicism into the Philippines
3:07:54
and now every Filipino is evil because we're predominantly a
3:07:57
Catholic nation. So I don't.
3:07:59
Know right so but what Boki before we before we go off on a
3:08:04
rant, though, let's let's but I'm I'm trying to make a point.
3:08:09
Pol Pot was a genocidal. OK, take your ADD meds Brandon.
3:08:15
Pol Pot was a genocidal maniac in Cambodia.
3:08:20
He led the Khmer Rouge and killed millions during his time
3:08:26
as leader in Cambodia. There are whole generations of
3:08:29
Cambodians gone because of his rule.
3:08:32
He was a genocidal dictator. So tell me Brandon, what was
3:08:37
what was Pol Pot's religious background?
3:08:41
Don't use ChatGPT. Communism with a Jewish
3:08:44
conspiracy. I'm asking you, Ryan, is you
3:08:49
talking about The Killing Fields, the movie, The Killing
3:08:52
Fields? I don't know that movie Khmer.
3:08:55
Rouge was a little more than just a movie like, well, I'm
3:08:58
what are you saying? Yeah, so.
3:09:01
What the is this happening with the Bible?
3:09:04
How does this prove that I'm? Nike.
3:09:06
Because just answer. Just Brandon, would you answer
3:09:11
the would you answer the question?
3:09:16
The question was simple. What was Pol Pot's religious
3:09:21
background? My answer was simple.
3:09:24
I don't know who the fuck Pol Pot.
3:09:26
OK is Pol Pot was a genocidal dictator who led the Khmer Rouge
3:09:31
that butchered millions of Cambodians.
3:09:34
He was His family was Buddhist. He was raised in a French
3:09:39
primary school. By the time he ascended to
3:09:42
power, he was militantly atheist.
3:09:46
He hated any form of academia, any form of intellectualism, any
3:09:51
form of religion at all. Does that now mean that I can
3:09:57
that wait? Does that mean I can now point
3:10:00
my finger at the Buddhist religion and say you wicked
3:10:04
bastards, Whole Pot was a Buddhist and you're all a bunch
3:10:09
of genocidal maniacs? Well, there's a lot of problems
3:10:14
with the Buddhists that you probably don't want to fucking
3:10:17
talk about or know about. So that you know they're
3:10:20
definitely not squeaky clean. They deny.
3:10:23
Dodge. No, I I mean realistically
3:10:27
though, do you think Buddhists are going to heaven that they're
3:10:30
saved? Dodge.
3:10:32
I asked you. Here's the.
3:10:34
Thing Ryan, you know that Brandon only hates me because of
3:10:38
his bigotry. Oh no.
3:10:39
No, no, he doesn't just hate you, he hates me.
3:10:43
I think you should repent and get back on the Bible and trust
3:10:47
the Bible. Don't feel bad, Jesus loves the
3:10:50
Bible. That's what I think you should
3:10:52
do. And.
3:10:53
Get out of that. Catholic religious nonsense.
3:10:56
So just just to highlight the point, if you if Brandon, if he
3:11:01
would be consistent, you should blame the Buddhists for Pol Pot
3:11:05
because you are blaming the Christian Church, you're blaming
3:11:07
the Roman Catholics for Hitler. Look, the Bible is very clear in
3:11:13
Revelation chapter 17. The Catholic Church is the OR of
3:11:17
Babylon. No, if you can't.
3:11:20
Oh, it sure is. It sure is.
3:11:22
You're literally talking. Oh dear.
3:11:25
It literally truly is. And if you can't see that,
3:11:29
that's because you then. Start elaborating.
3:11:32
Don't give me your inner codes. Don't give us an anecdote.
3:11:35
Elaborate. Give us like, give us something,
3:11:38
dude. Don't just sit there and say,
3:11:40
well, I say this that once. Ever read Revelation chapter 17?
3:11:46
Then you understood Revelation chapter 17.
3:11:52
OK, well, there's a you know, it's talking about a a city
3:11:55
built on seven hills that has a major world power church.
3:12:01
That. Controls all of the kings of the
3:12:04
Earth and what other fucking location on the planet has a
3:12:08
world powered church that people come to and kiss the ring of the
3:12:13
little Pope and that that, you know, has more money than any
3:12:19
organization on the planet? The Mormon Church has more money
3:12:23
than the Catholic Church. Not even.
3:12:25
Never. No.
3:12:30
Hold on. Before you go over, John
3:12:33
actually tells us what this city is, and he refers to the city
3:12:38
that you know, where you see all, where you had to kiss the
3:12:40
Pope's ring and all the money, all the markets.
3:12:43
He actually tells us where the city is, and he says it's the
3:12:46
place where Jesus was crucified. As in, he identifies the city of
3:12:51
Seven Hills with Jerusalem, where the Lord was scrupified.
3:12:56
You shall we pull up what's? What Bible version do you read?
3:13:01
I think it. I think Mr. Pope is actually, I
3:13:06
think Mr. Pope is on to something because I'm using
3:13:09
Brock over here. I wanted to find out who this
3:13:11
whore was of Babylon. And it talks about Rome, seven
3:13:15
hills and all that. Does not mention anywhere in all
3:13:18
the dialogue anything about Catholicism.
3:13:21
It's talking about the destructive corruption of Rome,
3:13:27
OK, Revelation 17 and verse 18 says, And the woman which thou
3:13:34
sawest is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the
3:13:39
earth. So it makes it very clear.
3:13:42
That this. Why are you associating it with
3:13:44
Catholicism, though? Because there's only one
3:13:49
location that fits the bill. That is a city built on Seven
3:13:54
Hills. See, I lived in Vegas and
3:13:56
there's a whole neighborhood called Seven Hills.
3:13:59
That's a very ritzy neighborhood in Vegas, Gated community.
3:14:03
All the streets are named after streets of Rome.
3:14:05
And all of that because they were trying to mimic Rome,
3:14:09
because Rome is famous for being a hit, you know, city of Seven
3:14:14
Hills. Well, according to this, this
3:14:17
also speaks of a persecutor of Christians.
3:14:21
Do you also believe that that's what Catholics do, that they're
3:14:24
persecuting Christians? Yes.
3:14:26
How many millions of Christians have been slaughtered for
3:14:30
reading the Bible? About zero we.
3:14:34
Know that the Catholic Church for big reading the Bible.
3:14:39
Right, I want to make a point. I.
3:14:43
Want to make a point. So the the Catholic Church, in
3:14:47
my opinion, is the one that gave us the Canon.
3:14:50
So you're going to say they put hold on, hold on, hold on.
3:14:53
Let me just finish the can. The Catholic Church gave us the
3:14:57
Canon. So we're supposed to believe the
3:14:59
Catholic Church put a book in the Canon that calls the
3:15:02
Catholic Church the beast of Satan or whatever I mean.
3:15:07
It's a little. Bit of a stretch.
3:15:09
Do you Do you know why William Tyndale was?
3:15:13
Why? Why?
3:15:14
Do. You realize the Catholic Church
3:15:17
affirmed the Book of Revelation at the at the Council of Trent,
3:15:20
and at several. Hey man.
3:15:24
Or you interrupted me. You interrupted me.
3:15:29
Council of cars Carthage 397 AD and and council of Hippo, I
3:15:33
think 400 and something AD the Catholic Church affirmed the
3:15:38
Book of Revelation. So you're basically saying, oh,
3:15:40
look, this book is calling us the mark of the beast or the,
3:15:43
you know, the Satan in the book. Let's put it in the Canon.
3:15:46
So everyone knows that. I think that's that's
3:15:49
questionable at best. You know that the Catholic
3:15:53
Church has always denied the authority of Scripture and noted
3:15:59
the authority of a Pope, a man. Yeah, Yeah.
3:16:06
Yes, it absolutely does. You're.
3:16:08
Listen to me, I'm a retard. Really.
3:16:11
Don't you know where we got our English Bible?
3:16:14
Do you? Do you know we got our English
3:16:16
Bible? Is brought to you by.
3:16:18
Don't you answer my question? That's why?
3:16:20
Where do we get our English Bible?
3:16:22
Where do we get our English Bible?
3:16:24
Answer the question where? Do you get?
3:16:25
Why? Why did the?
3:16:27
Catholic Church. You know, burn Bibles back.
3:16:29
In the Brandon where? Do you?
3:16:31
Get Brandon. The Jewish religion, the Jewish
3:16:34
religion within in the first the Jewish religion within the 1st
3:16:39
to 2nd centuries very viciously responded to Christianity.
3:16:45
They rather disliked Christianity.
3:16:48
Sure, maybe for once it's not going to kill you.
3:16:52
For once it's not going to kill you to pull up the Catechism of
3:16:56
the Catholic Church and see what they say in their official
3:17:00
teaching. Oh, Ryan.
3:17:01
I. Just about what they believe.
3:17:06
I I didn't hear you fro. I disagree, it will incinerate
3:17:10
him immediately if he does that. Like if he touches.
3:17:13
In fact, I'm curious like he's going to.
3:17:15
If he touches something that holy, he'll just immediately
3:17:18
incinerate. Who would?
3:17:20
You Here's another thing. Here's another thing.
3:17:24
Bro that's more fucking Catholic mysticism.
3:17:26
Bullshit. And here's another thing bro.
3:17:28
Like Can you imagine condemning a Catholic thing where you even
3:17:34
had a Catholic who got executed for simply trying to make for
3:17:40
simply rendering the Bible in an English version into English
3:17:44
just so everybody else? The Catholic Church fucking
3:17:47
murdered everybody that tried to translate the Bible from the
3:17:50
fucking Latin. Corrupt Vulgate.
3:17:52
That's. Poisoning the.
3:17:54
No, they. Did not.
3:17:55
The 1610. The 1610.
3:18:00
The 16 We all just got smarter now I.
3:18:15
Hope. You know that.
3:18:31
One mic at a time. Come on, Brandon.
3:18:36
Good evening, gentlemen. I just, I just got here.
3:18:39
I just wanted to say hello real quick.
3:18:40
I didn't want to interfere. Brandon, you got to learn how to
3:18:42
do 1 mic at a time. You got to you sometime.
3:18:45
You just got to just do it. He is 1 contentious little
3:18:50
ornery snake oil salesman, isn't he?
3:18:53
Yeah. Everybody can get carried away,
3:18:56
but you know, you just got to be able to talk man.
3:18:58
Otherwise it just don't go anywhere.
3:19:00
He just. Oh no, he that, that's the
3:19:05
thing, Boki. This is why I've just learned to
3:19:08
talk over Brandon because he he apparently bases his identity on
3:19:12
his ability to over talk and shout at people.
3:19:15
Yeah, you pull his string in the back and it don't stop.
3:19:18
Yeah. He's.
3:19:19
He's like, he's like a defective Woody Woody toy, you know what
3:19:23
I'm saying? Like.
3:19:25
Yeah, I do, I do. Yeah.
3:19:26
Do you guys? Remember, no, you know, I have
3:19:29
no idea. I have no idea what you guys
3:19:32
have generally been talking about, but I just Dave, he's not
3:19:35
in here. We were just basically, he, he,
3:19:37
he went on a ramp. He went on a rant about, oh, the
3:19:41
Catholic Church is evil. And then, OK, look, we got a
3:19:44
bigot. In the house so.
3:19:45
Basically, yeah. Let's take a look at that.
3:19:48
Yeah. Can I do?
3:19:49
I don't want to barge in here, but there's something on my mind
3:19:52
immediately that I brought up before with Brandon, and I'll
3:19:54
bring it up again. Sure.
3:19:56
Let's hear. It so now he left right and he's
3:19:59
not going to even come back or is he the probably.
3:20:01
Not oh, he's, he's declared that he's going.
3:20:03
He'll probably. Go to chat.
3:20:05
You know, Oh, so you don't even want.
3:20:07
To listen to that, I'm not even going to bother.
3:20:09
Saying that because if he's not here they'll hear it.
3:20:11
I'm not even going to bother. Well, I'm here.
3:20:13
Listening. Well, the thing that I was going
3:20:17
to mention was I was a Roman Catholic and I grew up in that.
3:20:22
Let's look at Paul the Apostle. He was a Hebrew of the Hebrews.
3:20:25
He was a Jew. He's an Israelite.
3:20:27
He was a, he was under Gamma Leal.
3:20:30
He's a Pharisee. He was he wasn't simply a Jew,
3:20:32
he was of the best stock the Jews at the time the.
3:20:36
Greatest offer. He was of the straightest sect,
3:20:39
the Pharisee. He was Lehran de Lehran.
3:20:44
So regardless of where people come from, when you're born out
3:20:50
of your Mama and you're put in a family, you could be a Muslim,
3:20:56
you could be a Buddhist, you could be an atheist family, you
3:21:00
could be a killer family, some kind of mafia family, or you
3:21:05
could be a rich family, a very poor family.
3:21:08
Continue. You know, you could be abused as
3:21:11
a child. You could be a king getting
3:21:15
ready to take over your dad. So I'm just being brought up in
3:21:17
the family. I don't know, it's all
3:21:18
different. But Brandon is so quick to get
3:21:24
into this business because, you know, even Paul the apostle, he
3:21:31
said touch. How's he said?
3:21:34
He says touching the law, blameless.
3:21:38
So, you know, Brandon claims to want to go back to the law all
3:21:43
the time. So what would be wrong with
3:21:46
going back to the law with the apostle Paul?
3:21:48
Touching the law, blameless. Look that up.
3:21:50
Where is it again? I got my hands full.
3:21:54
I think first Timothy. Oh yeah, let's have Bogey do it.
3:21:57
He's on screen. Yeah, so basically, so according
3:22:01
to Brandon's crap for Menudix, so basically.
3:22:07
By his. Own hermeneutic the Mormon
3:22:10
church is the the whore of Babylon, which I mean which I
3:22:13
don't know which is I don't really know what the whore of
3:22:16
Babylon is I haven't really said that but by.
3:22:19
The way perspectively, if that figure is accurate, 293 billion
3:22:25
that would put the Mormon, the LDS Church, look at that within
3:22:30
the same stratosphere of the top five richest people in the
3:22:33
world, if not more. And look at the centralized
3:22:37
control strategies freaking tithing operating assets
3:22:43
Catherines just have. The Vatican will. 10 to 15 but
3:22:46
this look at this crap so So basically Brandon is saying
3:22:51
whoever is the richest church is the whore of.
3:22:53
Babylon. So I guess I'm going to go out
3:22:57
now and kill me some Mormon motherfuckers, but I'm not going
3:23:00
to do that, you know? Back, back, back and forth.
3:23:02
What he was. Saying that we're getting
3:23:04
Dumber. I want to.
3:23:04
Say so does that explain you Sparkle, Sparkle since you're
3:23:15
covered in fag grace. But I but I predominant.
3:23:18
But I belong to a predominantly Catholic country and by by
3:23:23
Brandon's, by Brandon's standard, like, Nope, you're
3:23:26
damn, I might as well kill you. Well, hey, you know what?
3:23:30
I'm well then you know what? I'm glad.
3:23:32
I'm glad I live nowhere near Brandon.
3:23:34
Irish or whatever, we really no one has to worry about that
3:23:40
because he lives out in the middle of nowhere.
3:23:43
I wanted to ask about that Ryan and Dave, you guys would
3:23:46
remember this. Do you think Brandon is still
3:23:48
driving out here? I.
3:23:49
Got the guest. Room ready?
3:23:51
No, I still, I don't think he's going to do that.
3:23:55
I think Brandon is a hot air salesman.
3:23:58
He said after he. After he realized that Smokey
3:24:01
was 63 or whatever and he changed his mind.
3:24:12
You could you could drive out there to him low and he still
3:24:15
wouldn't do it. No, he's.
3:24:17
Not, probably not. Brandon is all.
3:24:20
Talk. I find out the guy is bigger
3:24:22
than me. I want to go even more.
3:24:26
Same. Same well.
3:24:27
You know I mean. I mean, if you're confident.
3:24:30
Yeah. Let's just assume.
3:24:33
That he said that he couldn't leave his property because his
3:24:36
dogs would get away because there's like no fence.
3:24:40
Or did I make that up because I feel?
3:24:41
No, that sounds accurate. Seems like I remembered.
3:24:45
Something like that. Yeah, and Sam Sammy said
3:24:47
something about puppy meal, so Lowe says that.
3:24:51
Brandon lives in the middle of nowhere.
3:24:53
And he can't leave his property because of his.
3:24:55
Dogs. Would that make him?
3:24:57
Eustace from courage to cowardly dog.
3:25:00
Oh my God. Well, actually, let's let's put
3:25:03
it like this. It's kind of funny because.
3:25:04
He's. Similar to the duty can't leave
3:25:07
where he lives. For.
3:25:08
Unspecified reasons. There are some similarities
3:25:19
between him and the dude, believe it or not.
3:25:21
I know, that's why. I say that, but they hate each
3:25:23
other. Well, they like, they hate.
3:25:26
Each other because in a lot of they're they're very similar in
3:25:28
quite a few. Ways.
3:25:31
But then he he. Blasted them later.
3:25:35
Which them two them two egos cannot.
3:25:38
No, coexist in the same area. It's impossible.
3:25:40
Oh hell. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
3:25:44
If you notice though, when you engage with Brandon, everything
3:25:47
becomes a personal. Attack.
3:25:48
And all I did to him was to engage with his argument, like
3:25:52
when he was talking about Doctor Lyle.
3:25:55
He there's no ostensible reason he has to reject Hugh Ross, who
3:26:00
is also an astrophysicist. Instead of dealing with that, he
3:26:05
just got all offended like, and I don't know what else to tell
3:26:09
you, dude, Go, go be out a hermit in the desert and believe
3:26:14
you're wacky, crazy beliefs. Well, he's way ahead of you on
3:26:17
that, Ryan. No, that's kind of my point.
3:26:20
I hear, you know, go keep doing what you're doing, dude.
3:26:24
How's that working out for you as Doctor Phil?
3:26:26
Would say yeah. How's that working out for you,
3:26:30
Doctor? Ryan, Phil.
3:26:32
I'm going to go price and ghost shop this Doctor Phil.
3:26:36
Wait. Oh oh.
3:26:38
No. Oh.
3:26:40
Lord. Right, so I'm going to go play a
3:26:43
ghost. Of Sushima and I'm going to be.
3:26:45
Streaming it so if anybody you're interested you guys can
3:26:47
just watch or it was. Good to see you.
3:26:50
Boki. That was good to see you guys.
3:26:52
Well, happy 4th of July for you guys.
3:26:55
Mine was ready like. A month pass.
3:26:57
Like 12, but yeah. I.
3:27:08
Really. Yeah, yeah, she liked that.
3:27:31
To say goodbye and just answer. CJ.
3:27:36
CJ. Just go.
3:27:44
Ahead. That was Boki.
3:27:48
Yeah, that was. Boki South of you.
3:27:52
She heard. She heard him say beside.
3:27:54
What did he say? What?
3:27:55
Did he say again when he was leaving?
3:27:58
I don't. Know I couldn't understand.
3:28:01
It yeah, I don't know. I don't Is it Tagalog?
3:28:04
Is that? No, that's not Tagalog.
3:28:06
It's actually Basaya. Oh, so it's like a different.
3:28:09
Dialect, which is also Cebuano. They're the same.
3:28:13
That's cool. Yeah, there's several different
3:28:15
languages over there, but the. Primary ones are Tagalo and
3:28:18
Basaya. Which is also called Cebuano.
3:28:21
That's really neat. Does anybody else have any
3:28:25
topics? I don't know how to host.
3:28:27
I wanted to just say something. Again, about the Catholic
3:28:30
Church. Because I grew up in it, so
3:28:32
when? Paul the Apostle grew up as a
3:28:33
Pharisee, did he not? Know the true God?
3:28:38
According to Brandon, No. Yeah, according to Brandon, he
3:28:43
was unsaved. He was evil.
3:28:45
See because the. God of.
3:28:46
Abraham. Isaac and Jacob is the true God,
3:28:49
and that's. The God he believed in.
3:28:51
That is correct. And there are people that are
3:28:53
Catholics that believe that, too, like I did, yeah.
3:28:59
Well, here's here's the thing about.
3:29:00
That here's the thing about that, Dave, OK.
3:29:04
When we're talking about. Brandon he's not you.
3:29:08
I where you are Catholic and honestly, I would write, I
3:29:11
would, I would wish you would come back.
3:29:14
You don't have any unreal animosity towards the Church in
3:29:18
any level that is even approaching what Brandon is
3:29:22
capable of. So Brandon, he doesn't just hate
3:29:25
the Catholic Church, he personally hates me.
3:29:28
He is an actual bigot, which you don't have.
3:29:31
You haven't. You don't have that sort of
3:29:33
bigotry, but he does. And so because of that, it
3:29:37
really doesn't matter what he says, as long as it smears the
3:29:40
people he hates, he's OK with it.
3:29:43
That's the qualitative difference between you and
3:29:45
Brandon. Yeah.
3:29:48
Brandon is just an overt bigot. There was a time when I got real
3:29:52
angry at him and I was bigoted. But because here's what
3:29:55
happened. I was attempting.
3:29:58
To fit into the fundamental independent King James only.
3:30:00
And they hated the the Catholics.
3:30:02
So I had to just hate everybody like they did to get along with
3:30:05
him. It was dumb.
3:30:06
And then I start thinking, wait a minute, this ain't right.
3:30:10
And then I started asking the pastor, why do we hate these
3:30:14
other people down the block? They're not.
3:30:15
They're not. They're not saved, you know, and
3:30:20
all that kind of stuff. Well, yeah, it's.
3:30:22
But you notice. That's why I sometimes mock
3:30:24
Brandon. Where about the love?
3:30:26
Of Jesus, because he, he just. Cusses you out.
3:30:30
And then justifies the fact that he just verbally abused you.
3:30:35
Because I feel the love of Jesus whenever Brandon talks.
3:30:40
Well remember Ryan? I tried to have that debate with
3:30:42
him and he said that basically trying to preach like love and
3:30:46
grace of Christ is. Completely.
3:30:48
Useless and the only thing that matters is his contract nonsense
3:30:51
and the oh, oh, so he well, well then wait a minute.
3:30:55
If Praise me, I am is going to condemn all conditionalists,
3:30:59
then. Why don't they go into talking
3:31:02
to Brandon? Because they finally found their
3:31:04
crazy ass condition is actually he said that the love of Christ
3:31:10
means nothing. It's not an important like I
3:31:13
brought up the example. To him like if.
3:31:15
I'm talking to a homeless. Person and trying to bring them
3:31:18
to Christ. Should I like tell them about
3:31:19
his love and grace or should I tell them about this contract
3:31:22
nonsense and he goes no, you have to just tell them about the
3:31:25
contract. Nothing else matters.
3:31:26
I'm like, all right, Oh, wow, so Brandon is fading.
3:31:30
Not as fascinating right there about it.
3:31:37
Like, dude, that's that's, that's.
3:31:38
Just incredible. You mean it?
3:31:40
Wow. Well, and.
3:31:42
Honestly. Here's the thing given.
3:31:43
As barely. We're.
3:31:43
Talking about and he's super fundamentalist.
3:31:46
I was surprised you said you couldn't preach the gospel
3:31:48
because. You're a.
3:31:49
Woman I'm I'm I'm just, I'm shocked yeah, I'm honestly
3:31:52
surprised he didn't pull out the whole classic fundamentalist
3:31:56
line about women knowing their place and all of.
3:32:00
That like most of them like to do that was my upbringing, you
3:32:05
know, when it comes to that too, That's almost like a real weird.
3:32:10
Slave type attitude. Toward women, like just shut up
3:32:14
and stay in the kitchen and know your place.
3:32:16
And you got no, yeah, you're you're not wrong.
3:32:18
You're not wrong. It's like, it's like when you
3:32:21
look at the scriptures and you see Priscilla and Aquila working
3:32:24
together. Husband and wife.
3:32:27
Teaching Apollos the way of God more perfectly.
3:32:30
And you see other women that were chief women, not a few that
3:32:33
followed Paul and they were doing certain ministries and and
3:32:37
Paul even told them to to help that one woman and all different
3:32:43
women were mentioned in his closure of Romans primarily.
3:32:46
And there were a couple other places.
3:32:49
I think it primarily. Romans Oh, Dave Christ reveals
3:32:53
himself to two women. Uh huh.
3:32:56
Yeah, after his resurrection, eh, but.
3:32:58
Not only that, even the way I. Often times evangelicals treat
3:33:02
the Bible. Is very.
3:33:05
Very misogynistic and very. Patriarchal case in point,
3:33:08
there's actually 1 scene where Paul is talking about the roles
3:33:12
of men and women and he basically says women command
3:33:15
your households. Now the word they're used is I
3:33:19
think dysport, I think, or dysportier.
3:33:22
And it's a quite literally the root word where we get the term
3:33:25
despot. It's a, it's a very harsh active
3:33:29
word meaning to rule, to govern. And that's the term that Paul
3:33:33
uses for women to govern their households.
3:33:36
The ESV changes this in English from command to manage, which
3:33:42
has a much different connotation and is and is and is rather
3:33:46
there to reduce women's presence within the church.
3:33:52
And so the thing about it, and so the thing about it is like,
3:33:55
you're not necessarily wrong. There's a very.
3:33:58
Huge slave mentality in the way. Wives are supposed to operate
3:34:01
and in modern evangelical and fundamentalism.
3:34:05
I mean even even that King Lemuel had his mother teach him
3:34:08
about women in Proverbs 31. Yeah, with all.
3:34:12
Well, honestly, Dave, you. Probably have a much healthier
3:34:15
understanding of the opposite sex than than our other.
3:34:19
Than our friend ever will. Well, yeah, I mean, can.
3:34:23
Can you imagine Brandon with a wife?
3:34:25
You know, his wife says something like.
3:34:26
I don't know, Brandon. Where'd you put those?
3:34:29
Tax returns I need to. Fast.
3:34:33
Well, you you know Ryan Brandon's looking for a 24 year
3:34:37
old wife to give him kids. Brandon wants kids with some 20
3:34:41
year. Old, that's what he wants.
3:34:42
So I, I, I guess what I want to know then.
3:34:46
Yeah, I was going to say, what the hell does he have to offer
3:34:49
the? Attitude of Brandon, anyone?
3:34:51
Ever. The attitude.
3:34:53
Of Brandon is. That that she should just be
3:34:56
there to listen to him preach. To her, get her right with the
3:34:58
Bible. And the way he.
3:34:59
Believes it and then. Get on your knees and service
3:35:02
him and all that, you know, But, well, Brandon Brandon's going to
3:35:05
fit. Brandon's going to find out
3:35:07
quickly what a divorce attorney is, if that's what he thinks.
3:35:12
And Brandon is going to find out.
3:35:13
Divorce attorneys are good at one thing, and what is that one
3:35:17
thing? Screwing people.
3:35:19
Over. It's what they do for a living.
3:35:23
You know, the people that talk about how all this sex talk, you
3:35:26
know, like Brandon does that he's done in the past, the.
3:35:30
Ones that don't know how to do. It right, really, I think, I
3:35:32
don't think they know anything about it.
3:35:34
Well, it's clear. I mean, Can you imagine?
3:35:37
Brandon trying. To take some, you know.
3:35:38
Girl out on a date, she agrees to go out with him and then the
3:35:42
first. Thing he does is start talking
3:35:43
about this Bible contract consense.
3:35:47
Yeah, because that's that's that's going to really.
3:35:54
Get a perspective woman interested.
3:35:56
In Brandon. You know, Brandon actually told
3:35:59
me one time. Now he denies it now, but he did
3:36:02
tell me this we were talking about.
3:36:05
The thousand year reign of Christ, and you know the the the
3:36:09
position of him reigning here for 1000 years and he says we're
3:36:14
coming back with him to reign and even have kids and get
3:36:17
married or whatever. And he thinks that his statement
3:36:20
was man, I'm looking forward to that thousand years.
3:36:23
He says, because I just want to get my Dick sucked.
3:36:29
Oh wow, then he is in just a a misogynist.
3:36:34
Yeah, well, that tells you. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
3:36:36
At all. Honestly, that's the only way
3:36:39
that's going to happen for. Him.
3:36:40
That sounds like what the dude once?
3:36:42
Told me honestly, I mean. Got someone to do that for him,
3:36:47
unfortunately, you know. Honestly, if that's all that's
3:36:49
on your mind 24 hours a day. You got a problem, you know.
3:36:53
I agree. I agree.
3:36:55
And this is the problem. And this is the problem with
3:36:58
evangelicalism, fundamentalism. Again, I grew up in this.
3:37:01
You know the Baptist King James. Version only, only men get to
3:37:04
preach. Again, that's my that's my neck
3:37:06
of the woods. That's my childhood.
3:37:08
I, I lived there. The thing about it is when you
3:37:12
they have a very lack of emphasis on holiness.
3:37:15
As much as they speak, as much as they preach against legalism,
3:37:18
they're very legalistic because essentially such that they
3:37:22
deserve salvation because they gave Jesus a wink and a nod.
3:37:26
There's very little emphasis on righteousness or holiness at
3:37:29
all. When we look at other Baptists
3:37:32
like say, Gavin Ortland, unfortunately, he's the minority
3:37:35
in a minority. OK.
3:37:37
And so when we find out was that when you don't actually
3:37:41
emphasize holiness that much, all you have left is the is
3:37:44
carnality. That's it.
3:37:47
That's not uncommon, though, in those churches that they will
3:37:50
they will teach holiness, but the holiness will be how many?
3:37:54
Souls, did you win to the? Lord brother.
3:37:58
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. We emphasize.
3:38:02
We emphasize that right as much as we we emphasize.
3:38:05
That as much as we emphasize the King James Bible.
3:38:09
Well, yeah. And as long as you don't go talk
3:38:11
to the Baptist, to the charismatic, to these people
3:38:13
that we don't like, then you're super holy and you're going to
3:38:15
heaven. But if you do it better.
3:38:18
Only be in an evangelistic context, and that is the
3:38:21
unfortunate majority in these fundamentalistic circles.
3:38:26
Hey, can I bring up a a topic real quick?
3:38:28
No, I'm kidding, I know. But anyway, no, I'm just, you
3:38:33
know. Fishing around for something to
3:38:35
talk about too, but I don't want to like kill it.
3:38:37
But here I want to talk about. This free grace doctrine that I
3:38:40
brought up with Smokey the other day, the doctrine of doing
3:38:43
nothing, doctrine of receiving. Let's talk about receiving,
3:38:48
Dave. Yeah.
3:38:49
You like that? Oh yeah.
3:38:51
The doctrine of. Nihilism.
3:38:53
Let's hear this. Let's hear about it all we can.
3:38:56
Do. Is receive.
3:38:58
Which is we can do nothing, Tom said.
3:39:01
Because Jesus did it. All there's nothing.
3:39:03
We can do. The poor guy, that.
3:39:05
Came to the. Paul and Silas, the Philippian
3:39:08
jailer guy says what must I do? He asked him a question.
3:39:12
What must I do to be saved? Why didn't they tell him?
3:39:15
You know he can't do anything. There's only only, you know
3:39:17
nothing we can do. Jesus did.
3:39:19
It all. You know, they said you're all
3:39:24
set, buddy, so I'm going to get a job at this company.
3:39:28
Kind of like an Amazon or. A FedEx or a.
3:39:30
UPS shipping and receiving. Type place.
3:39:32
Maybe it's on the seashore, you know where they're getting the
3:39:34
big ships come in. So the.
3:39:37
But in this particular scenario, there's all these 18 Wheelers
3:39:41
lined up and there's shipping and then there's receiving.
3:39:43
So I got a job in receiving. I said where would you like to
3:39:46
work? I said I want to work in
3:39:48
receiving. OK, great.
3:39:50
So you're in charge. You got the whole thing tonight.
3:39:52
You're on the night shift. It's all you.
3:39:54
So here come the 18 Wheelers and they're lining up and they're
3:39:57
beeping their hearts. Beep.
3:39:59
You know what's going on here? We got a whole lot to get off
3:40:02
here. When are you going to open up
3:40:04
the deck? And then the foreman's in his
3:40:07
office and he's getting phone calls and I'm like, I'm just
3:40:10
sitting there cuz I'm receiving. I'm not in shipping.
3:40:14
And when you're in receiving you don't do anything.
3:40:17
You do nothing. You just receive it.
3:40:19
You received a lot, but you don't have to do it.
3:40:20
I said, well, I'm in receiving. I, I'm not a works heretic like
3:40:23
those guys on the on shipping. They got to put things, you
3:40:27
know, out there and load the trucks.
3:40:29
I said, I just receiving. I'm a free gracer.
3:40:32
I just sit here and I told my boss to get the hell out of
3:40:34
here. Don't tell me what to do.
3:40:35
You're a works heretic. And the trucks are lined up for
3:40:39
a half a mile already and more. And you know, I just sit there
3:40:42
and say I don't do anything. I'm receiving their shipping.
3:40:45
I'm receiving. Receiving don't do any.
3:40:47
We just receive it. That's it.
3:40:50
So that was my analogy. Free grades do nothing, Doc.
3:40:53
Well, it's a great analogy because you must be one of those
3:40:56
DEI fires. In the story.
3:40:58
Too, Because they can't fire you if they fire you then.
3:41:01
Either you can sue them or you can go on social media and say I
3:41:05
got fired because I'm, I don't know, trans my well, actually
3:41:10
Brandon is my union Rep and he says to me, you don't have to do
3:41:14
anything. They tell you it's not in the
3:41:17
contract. Tell it it's not in the
3:41:19
contract. He knows all about the contract.
3:41:22
Well, I got a whole list of the. Contract that I keep.
3:41:24
I just sit there and read the contract all the time and do
3:41:26
nothing. But read the contract.
3:41:28
My rights. And Brandon knows all my rights.
3:41:31
I said I just call Brandon up. Brandon, my foreman keeps
3:41:33
telling me I got to do something over here.
3:41:35
Well, he don't know what he's talking about.
3:41:36
Article 1, Section 1. And I go right down the list of
3:41:39
stuff. I don't do shit, just come and
3:41:42
get paid. No, but that's actually great.
3:41:48
Because then the next question is, well, if that's what I have
3:41:50
to. Do so that I can be saved, you
3:41:53
know, keep a job. How does the?
3:41:55
Company not go. Insolvent.
3:41:57
I don't worry about that, they just pay me.
3:42:03
So what must I do to be saved? Do nothing.
3:42:08
That's actually, that's a pretty good analogy, yeah.
3:42:13
Pretty good. Here's the thing.
3:42:14
When I when Heath, Brian. Went on and I.
3:42:17
Basically said, what do you have to do to do to be?
3:42:19
Saved. I basically said you have to
3:42:20
obey God and he said well what about belief?
3:42:23
And as soon as I brought up that ultimately obedience is what
3:42:26
precedes belief, he got real quiet about that and really and
3:42:31
didn't really feel like continuing that conversation.
3:42:34
And I found that rather fascinating.
3:42:40
Say again, like, how? How would you obey something you
3:42:43
don't believe that doesn't even make?
3:42:45
Any sense? Exactly.
3:42:47
But Brandon Brandon's not a the dumbest.
3:42:48
Thing I've ever. Brandon is just something else.
3:42:51
Like what? He's just.
3:42:56
Astonishing something. It's like he's intentionally.
3:43:00
Doing this like he's, he's got to be like, I feel like we're.
3:43:03
Going to like get to a point in like.
3:43:05
A couple months where? He's going to say this was all a
3:43:08
joke? Oh, no, That's the thing, Dave.
3:43:11
Is it true to say that he's been like this for a decade?
3:43:15
A decade. I don't know.
3:43:18
Not, not well. He's been always coming up with
3:43:20
great ideas. He's got always a he's got some
3:43:23
kind of business. Model all the time he's trying
3:43:25
to. Yeah, OK.
3:43:29
I have an idea guys and I, I want to get you guys on board
3:43:31
with this. Can we when his book comes out?
3:43:37
Can we do a book club? Once a week on stream, we're
3:43:41
all. Going to get it.
3:43:42
We're all going to get his book and then once a week on stream,
3:43:45
we'll review each chapter and go over it and go over why it's
3:43:49
bullshit. Here's the problem with that
3:43:50
book. You know who wrote it?
3:43:51
Really, don't you? GPP?
3:43:55
Yeah. What?
3:43:56
He needs to put out his book. I forgot what.
3:43:57
The title is is Author. Brandon.
3:44:01
Irish and chat. GPT.
3:44:04
Well, well, that's going to cause a problem, Dave, because
3:44:07
he can't get a copyright for the book and there's a pretty good.
3:44:11
Probability. That ChatGPT steals from other
3:44:16
people's works. So yeah, then he's in really hot
3:44:20
water. And then he's getting, yeah,
3:44:21
then he's going to be looking at a possible copyright lawsuit,
3:44:24
which he will. Very much.
3:44:26
Lose but tell you guys like that would be fun.
3:44:29
Well, he'll. Never consent to the
3:44:30
jurisdiction, remember? So he'll be, and he's going to
3:44:34
find out. The.
3:44:35
Court will haul his ass in. And then I'm going to the words
3:44:39
I've said to him. What ring?
3:44:41
Very hauntingly. Brendan, do not call yourself an
3:44:45
attorney. They can't do anything to me.
3:44:48
They're going to sanction your ass.
3:44:50
Yes, they can. Oh, my God.
3:44:55
Everybody went to sleep. I was real loud here earlier
3:44:57
tonight. They were all blowing fireworks
3:44:59
out. We.
3:44:59
Didn't have the main firework display.
3:45:02
I don't consent. To being detained.
3:45:05
Yeah. I don't consent.
3:45:07
Yeah. And you, you know the cop that
3:45:09
has. To come and deal with them is to
3:45:10
say get the hell in my cruiser. You dumb ass, what the hell is?
3:45:14
This crap I am a sovereign citizen and you have you have no
3:45:19
right for my personal property. That is one thing I'm so sad
3:45:22
that I didn't bring with. Me as my sovereign.
3:45:24
Citizen license plate I'm a citizen of the world I.
3:45:29
Do not abide by any any borders or boundaries.
3:45:37
Are you under maritime jurisdiction, officer?
3:45:40
Yeah. Yeah, you got the, you got the.
3:45:45
Gold. Fringe flag.
3:45:46
Yeah, I should get Quentin to send me.
3:45:49
My sovereign license plate I'm of the.
3:45:52
Independent. More nation.
3:45:54
Yeah, I don't need a. Driver's license.
3:45:56
Fuck you, you know? You know what?
3:45:58
I what? I'd pay good money.
3:45:59
To see is, let's send. Brandon to say check, Yeah.
3:46:04
Brandon now. Has to get into check.
3:46:07
Yeah, the Czech Republic while claiming, while claiming to be a
3:46:12
sovereign citizen. Well, I'm a citizen of this.
3:46:15
I'm a citizen of this. World.
3:46:17
Ryan, that's. What?
3:46:17
I'm a world fans? What are you talking about?
3:46:19
I'm a citizen of the I'm a citizen of God.
3:46:22
OK, Oh my gosh. I hope.
3:46:27
I. Hope he does that because
3:46:29
Czechia is very atheistic. And they're going to go.
3:46:31
Oh my Christ, just another case. I'm on divine time, but in.
3:46:40
In spite of that. Actually.
3:46:41
Czech. The.
3:46:43
Czech Republic actually has a rather.
3:46:45
Strong Catholic. Culture at.
3:46:46
Least. And so they're not.
3:46:48
They're not even one way or another, religious or not,
3:46:51
they're not going to put up with that.
3:46:53
Oh no, They're going to tell you guys what they did today on the
3:46:57
4th of July real quick. I.
3:47:00
Actually burned 3. American flags.
3:47:03
Today on my burn pile. Oh my God, slow down.
3:47:07
Let me explain this. That is the proper way of
3:47:11
disposing. Old flags that were tattered.
3:47:13
And torn what I did was I I. There was nobody here but.
3:47:18
But me and people were actually watching me across lake and and
3:47:22
I did see them watching. I think they were watching
3:47:24
that's they were they saw me what they saw me.
3:47:28
No, wait, no, listen, wait you before you guys get all worked
3:47:31
up, Not that you're getting worked up.
3:47:34
I'm just. Saying I'm teasing you I'm.
3:47:36
Teasing you. So I saluted the flag that I was
3:47:39
going to burn. I saluted and then I folded it
3:47:42
like a. Marine, would you know what
3:47:43
that? How you fold them and yeah,
3:47:45
yeah, yeah, triangle, yeah, 'cause it's the I read something
3:47:50
about, you know, you're supposed to respect the flag and fold it
3:47:52
and then burn it. And then I saluted it.
3:47:54
Again, I put in a paper. Bag.
3:47:56
So nobody could see it when I lit it.
3:47:59
And that was to me that was like respecting the flag and you,
3:48:02
you, that's how you're supposed to do it.
3:48:04
So I burned them, three of them today.
3:48:06
I'm and I've never done that in my life, but they got one.
3:48:12
So I put 2 new ones up and they look real nice and you know, I
3:48:15
just saluted them. I saluted them at first.
3:48:16
I folded it. I put it down there and I.
3:48:18
Saluted it, then I burned it. And you know, I didn't
3:48:22
disrespect it. Yeah, You're not supposed to
3:48:25
just throw it in the trash or something.
3:48:27
No, that's correct. All right, well.
3:48:31
Me and the misses are going to probably turn in here, so I
3:48:34
guess we'll probably. Move on to final thoughts.
3:48:35
I got mid Dave. I don't know, maybe.
3:48:37
You're going to start something. You know what I want to do A.
3:48:38
Live and I'll tell you what, I got a bone to pick with these
3:48:41
Brits. Did you see the title on Bill's
3:48:43
video today? Oh, I know.
3:48:45
Oh yeah, I. Did Bill.
3:48:47
Well, dude, I'm I'm totally vindicated because I've been
3:48:49
saying for years how much Bill Heights the mannequins.
3:48:55
Well, I'll tell you, Bob, Nexus never shuts up about it either.
3:48:59
He hates the US. Oh yeah, he he.
3:49:01
Hurts. Hates the USA.
3:49:06
Oh yeah? Well, let me tell you something.
3:49:08
These enemies of America. I got no use.
3:49:11
For him? Seriously.
3:49:13
I got no use for him. Well, you know, our country's
3:49:16
not being taken over by Islam, so we have that true.
3:49:20
We didn't let a bunch of migrants in and then say.
3:49:23
Oh well, the problem is not the migrants but crime rate shot.
3:49:27
Up 70%. And 70% of the inmates, Smokey's
3:49:32
going to be doing some. He told me about.
3:49:34
You told me, Smokey, that you're going to be addressing this
3:49:36
Chrislam problem now coming up. Yeah.
3:49:38
I got yeah. I want to I want to get in on
3:49:40
this fight a little bit as this. Oh, I'm sure holy.
3:49:44
I'm sure Holy Spirit guided who thinks God is?
3:49:46
Male and female is going to love that.
3:49:50
Yeah, I don't know. What is wrong with that?
3:49:52
What is that? I don't know.
3:49:53
What is Holy Spirit guided? Is that 7 Holy Spirit?
3:49:59
That person is disgusting, Yeah. Smokey, I would like to spend my
3:50:04
5 there he is. Now Bob just said, oh.
3:50:08
My. Goodness, oh wow.
3:50:10
OK, Bob, stop that. You be nice tell.
3:50:15
Us how much you. Tell us what you really feel
3:50:17
about the Americans. Listen.
3:50:19
Listen. Listen, OK, Bob has just.
3:50:21
Really butt hurt the. Fact that he.
3:50:23
Got it That, you know, America's just the clear, the superior
3:50:26
English speaking country. That's all.
3:50:28
You guys are just mad you took the L twice actually.
3:50:32
And that and and they and they would have taken an L from the
3:50:35
Nazis if it weren't for us. Well if you guys watched.
3:50:38
My initial 4th of. July broadcast with the
3:50:40
thumbnail the 4th of July on it. I did go into the.
3:50:44
American. I did.
3:50:45
I went into this Patriots Almanac and I read all about the
3:50:49
Declaration of Independence and what happened a little bit in
3:50:51
their summary. And I think Bill got a hold of
3:50:55
that and that's why he titled that, because he wanted to throw
3:50:59
some hate at me. And Bill, I got news for you.
3:51:04
The feelings mutual. Don't worry.
3:51:07
Oh well, no, he says. He says America.
3:51:08
Is Catholic law well? Not yet, but it will be.
3:51:12
Don't worry. I just give it a just give it a
3:51:13
few decades. Yeah.
3:51:14
And by. The way I'm one of the few
3:51:16
people that's not, you know, a a elected official.
3:51:21
Or in some capacity like that, or served in the military
3:51:24
directly. And I took an oath as an air
3:51:29
traffic controller. And I'll tell you what, now that
3:51:34
I realize that. I'll tell you what, I'll carry
3:51:37
that oath. In this country, because I'm not
3:51:41
going to let these enemies of America just shit on us like
3:51:44
that even but I mean they can do it online.
3:51:46
Obviously they're they're. Safe, they can sit behind their
3:51:48
mouths and. Do whatever they want and say
3:51:50
all this shit on YouTube whatever but I can too so get
3:51:54
used to it. God Bless America now can we
3:51:57
please let Smokey and low end the streams?
3:51:59
That's tired as hell. Come on man.
3:52:03
I can probably imagine that Smokey is about to whip out the
3:52:07
you degenerate trash clowns. I've been waiting to go to bed
3:52:10
and you. Assholes keep me up.
3:52:14
Yeah, no, I have to cater to my wife's needs and watch a
3:52:18
horrible reality show called What Is It Secret?
3:52:21
Lives of Mormon wives secret. Lives of Mormon.
3:52:29
Wives. So that's.
3:52:32
That's going to be have to be. Part of it, so might as well.
3:52:35
He hates it so. Much.
3:52:36
Oh, they're. So not.
3:52:39
Very, not very secret, is it? I think I.
3:52:43
Actually saw that one a while back.
3:52:44
Irony is that nothing. About any of their lives is
3:52:47
secret to literally anyone. So I don't know.
3:52:50
I don't know what secret lives they're fucking talking about.
3:52:53
Because it is in front of the universe.
3:52:55
Like everyone found out. You're going to find.
3:52:56
You're going to find out though, in the last game.
3:52:59
I just want to say, talking about how Whitney's baby daddy
3:53:01
was on Tinder. Oh my.
3:53:04
God, great. Well, I'll accelerate the
3:53:06
process. Thanks Smokey for having.
3:53:08
Me on. It's always an interesting
3:53:09
conversation. And I shall hope to see.
3:53:12
You on your next live broadcast. So I'm going to do a live, I'm
3:53:16
going to do a live. So if you all want to hang out
3:53:18
and stay up, whatever it is. I got it queued up already.
3:53:24
I believe I'll I'll. I'll set the timer so it comes
3:53:28
on in like 10 minutes and that way it'll read.
3:53:31
Go look for Dave the news unit. Maybe you can press the thing.
3:53:35
You guys have a good night. It's good to see everybody.
3:53:37
Thanks for. Yeah, good.
3:53:38
To see everyone happy 4th of July to everyone, thank you for
3:53:42
being here. It was a.
3:53:43
Great night, it was fun time. Thank you everyone for
3:53:45
participating. Thank you, mods.
3:53:47
Thank you, Dave. Thank you for popping in, buddy.
3:53:49
Good to see you happy. 4th to you.
3:53:50
You too. Sparkle and fro.
3:53:54
Thank you for jumping in man. Thank you for spending the night
3:53:56
with us. I appreciate it.
3:53:57
Chris, Keith, and of course. You know Ryan.
3:54:00
And everyone else, thank you guys, I really appreciate it.
3:54:02
Happy 4th of July to everyone and the Smokey St. family is
3:54:05
signing out. All right.
3:54:06
Have a good night. You too, buddy.
3:54:09
Thanks for.