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EDP29: Tokyo World Championships Predicitons & Listener Competition / Great North Run / USATF 20k / 5th Avenue Mile / Australian Selection Drama · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Easy
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  Double Podcast, Episode 29 this week and I'm joined by Father,
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  Father Dean, Happy Father's Day. Thanks mate, yeah same to you.
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  You get you get spoiled by the the 2 loves in your life.
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  I was wondering if this would even come up to this episode in
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  the back of my mind about this bloody cat.
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  Well, here we are, it within 10 seconds and seen as we've gone
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  there. Jesus Christ.
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  I woke up this morning and Becky presents me with a card
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  handwritten from myself like 2 massive pages but like as if the
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  cat had wrote it. Like to daddy thanks for giving
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  me treats and stuff like this. It's outrageous.
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  You, you very kindly sent me a message earlier today wishing me
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  Happy Father's Day and I nearly responded in kind.
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  And I thought, is that have I is that an over overstep?
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  But sounds like it's not. You know, coffee Club podcasts
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  they have, I can't remember which one of them, the dog they
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  call the CEO, ghosts. So maybe our CEO could be gummy
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  gummy. Gum bum.
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  All right. We've just lost listeners within
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  the first minute. We haven't even got going.
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  And welcome also to Owen Smith, who's fresh off the back of his
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  first interview, which we're all very excited to listen.
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  Thank you very, very much. Yeah, I was extremely nervous
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  intervene Andrew, but no, I think about went well and people
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  will definitely take something from it, which is good and it's
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  just it was nice to get him like before the world's as well like
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  he's there in Hong Kong and he was saying it's so, so humid out
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  there so like certain times he can only train like certain
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  hours of the day and then he's like straight inside like trying
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  to conserve energy because I think his schedule is mad.
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  He's running, I think it's a week, it's Sunday to Sunday and
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  he's running like 5 days or something like that if he makes
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  like he semi final final and then in the 5K heats and finals.
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  So it's a pretty stacked schedule.
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  So yeah, I know it's really interesting to see how his
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  training is going and all that sort of stuff.
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  So is he in Hong Kong by himself at the minute, or with the rest
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  of the Irish? Camp, no, that's where the Irish
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  holding camp is. So yeah, I don't think the 5K
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  guys are there yet. They'll come, I think, he said.
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  They're coming in like a few days, but yeah, majority of the
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  runners who are running early on in the week are there.
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  Is. There cool.
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  Is there hate semi final and final or hate?
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  15 for the 15 there's a heat, semi final final and then for
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  the 5K there's just a heat and a.
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  Final. Yeah, so looking forward to
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  getting that one else that will be coming to you later this
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  week, maybe third Wednesday, Thursday as a bit of a World
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  Champs pre content to fill the rest of your week.
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  So yeah, Owen's chat with Andrew Koskran is will be coming.
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  And for those in the clubhouse, they got the chance actually to
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  ask some listener questions. So I don't know.
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  How did you get on with them, Owen?
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  Did you squeeze a few in? Well, one of them was about
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  Conor McGregor, which also Irish don't really like anymore.
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  He's a very hot topic at the moment for all the wrong
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  reasons, so I didn't bring up that.
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  But yeah, I brought up the training questions that were.
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  Asked. Yeah, but like going down the
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  Donald Trump route, I guess. Yeah, if you want to say.
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  That equally as controversial characters, but yeah, we best
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  stay away from that topic as well probably.
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  But yeah, thanks for doing that and looking forward to giving it
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  a listen myself. Also just an A shout out to a
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  guy from the world back where I'm from, Josh crumble Herm.
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  So got a text off a friend the other day saying he'd he works
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  with him and he's a big fan of the part and he's been
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  listening. But the only bad thing is he
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  runs for my local club at home, their rivals.
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  So not too sure about that one. But thanks for listening, Josh.
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  What's the local club's name? We can just.
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  So it's what we're all we're all they see.
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  From the world, though. Well, yeah, exactly.
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  But they're like the big, kind of like big massive club, but
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  we're just a little the little underdogs with a little wall,
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  see? I don't know what the world
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  sounds like. Some mystical place doesn't know
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  the world. Well, it is, and this the
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  things. That's why sometimes you say to
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  people that you're from Liverpool, depending on who
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  you're speaking to, but then actual people from Liverpool
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  would get offended if they heard you say that because you're not.
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  I was actually watching a video on YouTube, some random one, and
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  some lad said Oh yeah, I'm from the world.
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  And I was like, oh, I know where that is.
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  Structure of this episode then we've got results from the Great
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  North Run up in the North East of England from Newcastle.
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  The big half was also on in the UK from London, the USA 20K
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  championships in America, and we're going to preview the 5th
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  Ave. Mile in New York with then.
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  I think you just lost me for a SEC there, 5th Ave.
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  Mile. I'll carry on.
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  We're then going to drop training weeks this week, or the
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  majority of it anyway, and we're going to jump into our
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  predictions ahead of the Tokyo World Championships and we
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  hopefully have a bit of a game competition for the clubhouse
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  members coming up. And then we will jump into a
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  couple of the news items which have cropped up this week, which
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  is the Australian have Australia have released their team for the
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  world's and an interesting nation has bid to host a future
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  version of the World Athletic Championships.
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  And when I was looking into this, there's actually a couple
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  of other interesting nations who've also submitted bids.
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  So could be a fun couple of years ahead.
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  We've got YouTube Diaries and we've got Double Trouble as
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  well. So let's kick things off at the
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  Great North Run, if you will, Owen.
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  Yes, so I actually watched this a couple of hours ago.
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  It was on a reasonable time for me.
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  And this race is pretty cool. So let's again, let's say it's
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  one of the biggest, well, races in the world.
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  I think there's 60 odd 1000 people that do it.
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  And they set the women off 15 minutes before, well, the elite
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  women, 1515 minutes before the elite man.
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  Straight from the off, there was like sort of a group of four.
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  It was Sheila, Chef Crewe, Vivian Chariot, Asian McCall
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  again and Emily Sisson. So they were sort of like
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  together. And Ellis Mccallagan didn't look
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  the best. She was just off off the front
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  of that group and the two canyons were sort of pushing on.
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  And then it sort of worked out that way.
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  Eilish Mccullen dropped off the back and then Sisson slowly
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  dropped off and the two canyons just pushed on.
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  And yeah, I'd say it was a pretty windy day over there, but
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  they make a turn with a mile to go and it's along the coast.
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  And I think you have a tailwind then.
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  So Chef Carui, she just sort of pushed on.
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  She was stronger than Vivian Chariot, but you ain't that
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  Vivian Chariot. She's been around a long time.
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  And then Ellis Mcculligan picked up Emily Sisson.
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  And I'd say if there was another kilometer to go, Mcculligan
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  might have caught Chariot. But no, she just didn't have
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  enough in the legs. But yeah, again, a good race.
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  And in the men's side, this start off so fast.
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  So they opened up basically Abel Kipchumba.
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  Well, first the results, Alec Matuso won in an hour and 52,
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  then Bashar Abdi and then it was Abel Kipchumba.
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  And from the off it was there was a group of like 5 or 6 and
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  that Abel Kichumba who finished up third, he, he was pushing
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  like for the 1st 8 miles, definitely just from the front.
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  It looked like he was sprinting the whole time and but then he
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  sort of eventually slowed down and it was Alec Matuso,
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  Ambassador Abdi just pushing on. They looked, Abdi looked so
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  comfy. He was just high fiving people
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  in the crowd at the start. Kieran Tantavate, he used to be
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  with the Barrowmen and he won the 5K the night before.
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  He went with that group along with Mark Scott, but both of
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  them blew up big time. And then friend of the show Jake
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  Schmidt, he came true, really, really strong with Ben O'Connor.
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  But it was neck and neck until the last, like a kilometer.
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  And Alex Matuso just put the foot on the gas and, yeah,
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  pushed away from Bashar Abdi. So, yeah, not the fastest times
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  ever run there. Like the women's was won in 69
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  minutes, 69 minutes, 32 seconds. Second was 6937 and 3rd was
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  6942. But yeah, very, it was
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  entertaining to watch. And the way they filmed it,
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  Sydney could really take a leaf out of that book.
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  It was like, I hate to say it, but like they concentrated a
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  little bit on the wheelchair, but not didn't push them too
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  much. Like they just switch on to them
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  for like 10 seconds, then go back and they'd have a bike on
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  the men and the women and yeah, it was just really good coverage
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  all around. So yeah, really good race.
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  I was going to say that, you know, because I had it on for
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  about 15 minutes myself and there was a point where they had
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  an overhead shot, must have been from a helicopter.
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  And you could then see on the road because they were showing
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  the distance of the gap between the lead females and Alish
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  Mccolgan was chasing them at the time.
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  So you could obviously get like a clear representation of how
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  far back she was. But you could also see that they
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  had a motorbike on the lead women and a motorbike on Aalish.
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  And then there's obviously another motorbike on the lead
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  man and maybe the chase man as well.
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  So like, it's mad that an event like this, obviously it's a big
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  race in the UK, but Sydney being a major and they couldn't kind
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  of like replicate that with multiple excuses out on course
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  with different cameras chopping between.
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  No, it was really good, really good coverage.
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  And yeah, Sydney could learn, learn a thing or two from this
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  race. As well, you mentioned Jake
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  Smith. He was very measured in his
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  approach, wasn't he? Because he kind of came through
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  maybe for the most of the race he was like in that chase pack,
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  but maybe like 8th, 8th or something.
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  And then because I know when I was watching it anyway, he was
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  chasing down Mark Scott. He was good 20 or 30 meters
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  behind him and he's ended up finishing a couple of places
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  ahead of him but. What time did Jake run in the
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  end? 63 O 7 on a bad like I don't
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  think it counts towards records because it's point to point, but
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  he was delighted to coming across the line.
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  Like you could see he was. He was really happy with how he
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  ran and I feel like like like he sort of had to take AI.
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  Don't know how like he could have easily went with that lead
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  group when he's seeing Mark Scott and I'll go with him.
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  And he sort of had to just sit back and run his own race, which
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  I think he's so good at doing. And then he's so measured in his
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  effort and look, he was second Brit home so he he can't
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  complain. Thanks Owen.
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  Moving on to the big half then. It's not really that there was
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  two major half marathons in the UK on the same day in different
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  cities and they've still got certainly in the women's field
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  is very, very good for the big half.
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  So the women's results was won by Jess Warner Judd in 70
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  minutes and 35 seconds from Abby Donnelly 7124, Samantha Harrison
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  7140 and Charlotte Purdue 7236. So I think all four of them, if
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  not Olympic representation, they've been at world champs.
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  So yeah, crazy the standard there.
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  And then in the men's side of things, Jack Rowe won that in 64
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  O 8 from Mohammed Adan in 6446 and Wayne A Gabriel Selassie in
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  6453. And it's just linking back to
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  the last week's episode or the week before maybe where we spoke
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  of UK Athletics and the marathon selections and stuff.
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  A few of these names in the in the lists here.
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  And the results are some of those guys who kind of had
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  enough points on paper to be going.
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  So obviously they're, unfortunately for them running
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  the big half in London rather than preparing for Tokyo next
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  week. But this goes to show at least
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  they're still racing and hopefully picking up some prize
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  money. Do you know if that's a fast
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  course or not? Because the times aren't the
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  fastest. No, I don't think so.
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  You know, I think it's more of an, A race for the masses.
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  And then obviously I assume some of these guys will even be
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  getting an appearance fee because they sell it as almost
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  like a, a landmark half marathon.
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  So it goes past like the London Eye and Big Ben and stuff like
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  that. Next result was the USA.
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  This is so random. The USA 10K20K road
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  championships. So the reason why I find this
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  quite interesting is that Connor Mance won it in a time of 5616,
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  and to try and contextualise that somewhat, it equates to a
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  5924 half marathon, which we know is pretty damn quick.
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  And in March, he ran 5915 for the US record, so he's in pretty
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  much his own PB shape. Which again, for context,
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  Gondin, Oh. Yeah, Just to add, I mean, he's
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  in the still in the midst of a marathon block right ahead of
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  Chicago. So arguably, would you say maybe
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  even slightly more impressive than when he would have
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  freshened up for that Houston half?
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  Yeah, definitely. You'd imagine he wouldn't be
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  kind of coming down too much for this one and just be see what
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  he's got on the day. But when he ran that 5915, he
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  then went on to run 2/05/08 at Boston, which is obviously like
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  a record ineligible course. But the US record which you'll
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  be chasing down in a couple of months time is 2/05/38.
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  So I think this run, obviously it doesn't confirm anything, but
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  it shows that he's there there about.
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  The North American records 2 seconds faster than that.
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  Yeah. So we'll be hoping to run, I
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  guess, 3 seconds quicker than the American record.
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  Quick one how irrelevant is A20K record in America where they're
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  all like Miles and all? Yeah.
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  And I thought, I don't know if it was when Kip Limo ran that
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  silly time that he ran, but I thought some of those races will
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  have the 20 K market measured. And so you can sort of run those
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  records on route in 1/2 marathon.
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  Like why would you have a stand alone race?
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  Like you normally just run whatever you run for 20K on
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  route to your 21K? Like why make that a race?
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  Yeah, yeah. When they operate in miles it's
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  so random. Like does any country have a 20K
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  championships? Like where the Hell's it come
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  from? Yeah, bizarre.
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  But just to round off for the women's race was won by Aubrey
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  Frenthwaite in 6536. So I guess that's worth a 68
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  high from 1/2 marathon point of view.
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  So that wraps up that one. Move it while staying in
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  America, I guess this evening. Unfortunately, the race is yet
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  to happen and will be just after our recording, but the New York
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  Ave. Fifth Mile, which is a very
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  prestigious mile, Rd. mile held point to point on one of the
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  most famous streets in Manhattan in New York is happening.
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  And in terms of a start list, we've got all the guys who were
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  hoping to be in Tokyo but didn't quite make it, almost like the
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  reserves. I mean, I'd love to be one of
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  those reserves, so I'm not trying to trash talk them at
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  all. I'm just trying to build a bit
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  of a picture. A guest favorite would have to
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  be Yarid Nagus. But he's up against some stiff
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  competition, isn't he? How we even like Drew, Hunter,
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  Hobbs, Kessler, Stewie's in there not but Kupertier like
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  it's it's not like he's even though some people are missing
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  for the world champs even that in a regular year is a pretty
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  good lineup. Definitely.
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  And as well who's on there is Henry Mcclucky, who was at the
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  one of the meets you were at Owen and a scene on Instagram in
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  the week he was kind of doing a post to say I'm unsponsored.
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  Like wasn't asking for someone's take him on, but you know, that
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  was the gist of it. He's formerly an Adidas athlete
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  and now he's running 5th Ave. Mile in New York and had like an
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  unreal season running like 730 odd for 3K and stuff and he
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  can't get a payday. Actually, Nick Griggs is on that
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  star list as well. He's the young lad from Ireland
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  who has the park. Well, he had the park work run
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  world record, so he's another one to watch out for.
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  Yeah. So should be interesting to
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  follow the results. So if as you're listening to
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  this, unfortunately I haven't been able to tell you who's won,
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  but give it a quick Google and you'll see.
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  If if you were to just you know, who would you tip 123?
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  Just a quick, quick guess. I would go Nagoos.
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  I would go Hoey and Kessler. I'd go negus, Kessler, Hoey,
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  I'll. Go negus Kessler, Tia No,
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  actually, the goose. The goose hunter, Tia.
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  Why not? Actually, I'm changing mine to
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  Nick, Griggs, Negus and Stewie. Imagine that.
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  And for the women, I guess, who's kind of like the favorite
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  on that side of things, largely the the women are American
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  athletes, I think, aren't they? Like I'm saying Raven Rodgers,
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  AG Wilson, Rachel MacArthur, Heather McLean.
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  Carissa Schweitzer, the 5K runner.
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  I was trying to get some more context I guess to talk about
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  this and was looking into the prize money and it hasn't been
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  published publicly since 2021. But apparently in 2021 there was
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  5K U.S. dollars for the winner with a 10K US course record
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  bonus which is held by Josh Kerr of last year 344 I think it was
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  and Laura Muir for the women. 414.8 is also tied with Carissa
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  Schweitzer. So I mean, these prizes from
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  2021, they're certainly not going to have decreased, are
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  they? So you'd be thinking it's at
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  least that. I think you can get really lucky
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  with a tailwind. And was it?
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  Was it last year that a boss was trying to go through an
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  intersection or something and nearly hit them?
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  Was that the day before and there was a 5K on at the same
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  time? I think yeah, 5K the day before
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  and it nearly light side swap the lead group.
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  Yeah, or, or is that before? Is that the day before the New
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  York Marathon? It's one, it's a precursor to
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  one of either the 5th Ave. Mile or this because I think 5th
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  Ave. Mile just is a straight race,
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  whereas this it had some sort of loop.
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  And yeah, they nearly got taken out by a bus and I think that
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  might have doubled as they're like 5K road nationals or
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  something. It was in New York.
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  Yeah, it was in New York, in New Manhattan, I think.
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  But this I think they normally have.
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  Don't they have an incentive where if you're leading at
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  halfway? You get a an amount of money,
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  but then you still need to, I don't know if you have to break.
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  4 minutes might be the light for the men and there might be an
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  equivalent time for the women. So someone's there's normally a
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  Sprint at halfway and then that person's literally just
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  sprinting against the themselves and the finish line to get the
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  cash grab they chase, which is something to follow in addition
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  to the winner. Would you say all these are put
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  up in a hotel like in New York? Because surely that's an
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  expensive. Yes, a big start list.
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  So we're, we're looking at what, 25 people, men on the men's and
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  women's elite list. Yeah, and I think you're there's
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  one English girl, so all of them are American on the women's
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  side, except Alex Miller. I'm pretty sure she's from the
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  UK. So short results around this
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  week. So moving on to the news items
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  then on Australia somewhat controversially confirm their
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  teams ahead of next week's World Championships earlier last week.
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  It feels like a lifetime ago because I guess as soon as I
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  seen it come out on Instagram, I screenshot of it and put it into
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  the clubhouse to get people's thoughts.
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  And I was like, shit, I need need some time to digest this,
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  what this means. And then thankfully, like people
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  were picking out the key points. So I guess in terms of 800
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  meters, team was Abby Caldwell, Claudia Hollingsworth and Jess
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  Hull. So that was interesting that
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  Jess kind of chose to double there.
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  I didn't personally see that one coming.
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  I'm not sure people had spoke of it prior either.
• 21:37
  Yeah, I missed that until then, to be honest.
• 21:40
  And so I left her out of my prediction that I will talk
• 21:44
  about in a little bit, which is maybe a miss because I suppose
• 21:48
  when I was looking at the 800 meters, Keely Hodgkinson's
• 21:53
  probably like a clear number one favorite.
• 21:56
  But then after that, maybe it's a little bit open in the 800, do
• 21:59
  you think? I would say so, yeah.
• 22:00
  And I guess that's kind of what's the Jess's decision here,
• 22:03
  isn't it? I think and versus the 5K, if
• 22:08
  you look at because she's won an Olympic medal, so you assume her
• 22:12
  goal now is to try and win championship medals.
• 22:14
  And so we, we're, and she ran Grand Slam track, which was as
• 22:20
  an 815 hundred. So she's probably targeted a lot
• 22:22
  more 815 hundred meter work over the course of the last six
• 22:26
  months. But like the 5K, the women's 5K,
• 22:29
  the top four, I think are all pretty like that's pretty
• 22:33
  stacked. So you can understand why she
• 22:36
  chose what she chose. I think for the 800, you've got
• 22:40
  Georgia, Hunter, Bell and Keely. I think they're nearly 2 shoe
• 22:44
  wins to to meddle, and then that last place is sort of up for
• 22:47
  grabs, which Jessel can probably visualize yourself getting.
• 22:51
  Yeah. So I was trying to figure out
• 22:53
  kind of like where this come from or like how it's come to.
• 22:57
  And in terms of like the rankings, Abbey Caldwell and
• 23:00
  Claudia Hollingsworth were both at 1:00 and 2:00 in terms of
• 23:03
  like times run in the qualification period.
• 23:06
  And they were also one and two at nationals.
• 23:09
  So I guess from that point of view, they're kind of like a
• 23:12
  certainty. And then the third spot is left
• 23:15
  open because Sarah Billings, who potentially would have also been
• 23:21
  in this 800 meter team. And I think she's probably
• 23:25
  better at the 800 than she is the 1500.
• 23:28
  But she was pre selected in the 15 because of nationals.
• 23:33
  And then maybe she's looking at it and going, if I choose to
• 23:37
  double, then it takes away my competitiveness in the 15.
• 23:41
  So I'm not going to do the 8 as well.
• 23:43
  And Jess has gone, maybe I am strong enough to double and I
• 23:46
  fancy myself for a medal. So thank you very much.
• 23:49
  And that's then kind of led to a little bit of complication as we
• 23:53
  go up the distances. So 1500 meters.
• 23:55
  Then Sarah Billings, as I just said, pre selected Linden Hall
• 23:59
  and Jess Hall. They kind of make sense.
• 24:02
  Although when you look at the rankings, Georgia Griffith was
• 24:05
  also in there. So it was Jess from Linden from
• 24:09
  Georgia from Sarah. So Sarah's kind of pre selection
• 24:14
  from earlier in the year has somewhat complicated things
• 24:17
  because I guess as well recently she maybe hasn't been running as
• 24:21
  strong as some of the other girls, but she was already
• 24:24
  pending. That's the issue Australia face
• 24:26
  by having their nationals like so early on in the year, like so
• 24:29
  much can change within like the six months or however long it is
• 24:33
  between their nationals and and the World Championships.
• 24:37
  Like it's from one end of the year to the other.
• 24:38
  Whereas like most of Europe, their nationals were literally a
• 24:41
  couple of weeks ago. So like you're sort of on form,
• 24:44
  you're peaking, whereas poor Aussies have to peak twice.
• 24:47
  Yeah, it's just hard with the bloody seasons being reversed
• 24:50
  from Europe, isn't it like. But like, Australia's warm the
• 24:55
  whole time. Like, why don't like, why don't
• 24:58
  they have their nationals a couple of weeks ago?
• 25:00
  Yeah, different to Ireland because I see you wearing a
• 25:04
  jacket again. It's getting colder here.
• 25:07
  The heat wave might officially be over.
• 25:10
  Actually, me and Andrew discussed that in the interview.
• 25:13
  So you've got a, you've got a big one coming for you here.
• 25:16
  We go, God, that's that's enough of a hook to get me so.
• 25:21
  He's been doing his heat train in Ireland.
• 25:23
  Does he? Yeah, he is.
• 25:26
  But no like it's not it's even you've more chance to run faster
• 25:29
  when it's cooler as well. So I think it'd benefit like
• 25:34
  performance and peaking trade the season.
• 25:37
  So I really don't get why, like Australia is a moment that's
• 25:41
  cold, but it's actually not that cold, let's be real.
• 25:44
  So yeah, just change your national dates.
• 25:47
  I guess it's because the the domestic track season is through
• 25:50
  summer, isn't it? So by now there hasn't been a
• 25:52
  track race for, don't know, almost six months or something
• 25:56
  for four months at least. And there's been all cross
• 25:59
  country races happening and then to kind of throw massive track
• 26:03
  meet would be cut amongst the pigeons to say the least.
• 26:06
  But there must be a better way of doing it.
• 26:09
  Just shuffle everything around like you should be going into
• 26:13
  cross country now. Like your cross country isn't
• 26:15
  cross country anyway so it's irrelevant when you have that.
• 26:18
  So just put your track on like when it's meant to be on.
• 26:22
  Track over winter for a 5K? Be nice.
• 26:24
  I mean, you remember the track in the middle of summer?
• 26:28
  How OK, it's so warm. It's still scraping party off it
• 26:34
  so. But yeah, I don't really
• 26:39
  understand like why? Anyway, the 5K is what caused a
• 26:44
  bit of contention and I don't know if this appeal has been
• 26:46
  resolved or not yet. And if it has, maybe it's been
• 26:49
  swept under the rug a little because I haven't had like a
• 26:52
  formal communication kind of clarifying who's in.
• 26:55
  So we've got Rose Davis, Georgia Griffith, Linden Hall and Lauren
• 26:59
  Ryan were all selected pending the outcome of an appeal.
• 27:04
  And I was also trying to figure out, because it doesn't say who
• 27:07
  the appeal was between and then who's going to be the likely
• 27:11
  winner of that appeal. So I think it's pretty clear
• 27:14
  that Rose Davis and Georgia Griffith are the two standouts
• 27:18
  here with. They both ran under the previous
• 27:21
  national record in London Diamond League.
• 27:23
  I think it was, wasn't it? They ran 1431 and 32.
• 27:28
  So then you think, OK, the appeal must be between Lyndon
• 27:32
  Hall and Lauren Ryan, but who was originally selected and who
• 27:37
  is kicking up a fuss that they weren't in the selection?
• 27:39
  Because Lauren Ryan recently ran was at 1439, something quite
• 27:44
  fast. I can't remember what Linden
• 27:48
  Hall's recent time was, so. Joy.
• 27:51
  So there's 4/4 of them selected. So I think because they it was
• 27:56
  literally getting to the point where Wales was about 10 days
• 27:59
  away and they hadn't confirmed the team.
• 28:02
  They put the team out but they hadn't resolve the appeal at
• 28:05
  this time, so four of them have been kinda communicated, but
• 28:09
  still only three will go. Damn, I didn't know this.
• 28:12
  The good thing is though, both. I mean all of those athletes, I
• 28:19
  think maybe apart from Rose, is that right?
• 28:23
  Who? I haven't got the list in front
• 28:25
  of me, but I know Linden Hall and Lauren Ryan are both down
• 28:32
  for another event, right? So whoever's unsuccessful, I
• 28:34
  think is still participating, right?
• 28:36
  In that so I reckon Linden Hall's been selected and she
• 28:40
  would be Dublin with the 50 in but it looks well, my hypothesis
• 28:45
  is that Lauren Ryan is appealing because she also wants to run
• 28:47
  the 5K as well as the 10K which she's been selected in because
• 28:52
  on paper Lauren Ryan has a faster time than Linden Hall.
• 28:55
  But like recently, Linden Hall's been incredibly competitive in
• 28:59
  the races that she's running. And to come here, would you say,
• 29:04
  like in their contracts they get bonuses for running two races or
• 29:08
  like why would there be such a big push to run both of them?
• 29:12
  Yeah, maybe that's a good question.
• 29:14
  Because you think like on paper, regardless of what event it is
• 29:18
  almost if you do want and focus solely on one, you're going to
• 29:22
  be more competitive than trying to balance 2.
• 29:24
  So why would people be going through the ordeal of appealing
• 29:28
  to get themselves a double? And like, especially like Lauren
• 29:32
  Ryan to do like the five K 10K, like Andrew was telling me, it's
• 29:36
  like 35° over there. So if you're to run like 10K and
• 29:41
  35°, you're totally screwing your chances in the 5K.
• 29:44
  Like there's no way you're covering time.
• 29:45
  So yeah, I don't know. I think the longer ones come
• 29:49
  fast as well. So like the between the 15 and
• 29:52
  the 8, the 15 comes first and between the 10 and the five, the
• 29:55
  10 comes first. That's why the 15 five works
• 29:58
  well because the 15, all the 15 is done before the five.
• 30:03
  So that way, like if it's the other way around, if the 5K was
• 30:05
  before the 15, I think you wouldn't see many people doing
• 30:08
  that double. But because it's after and
• 30:10
  there's a couple of days rest, it actually works out well.
• 30:12
  So we'll see what happens with the outcome of that, but also
• 30:16
  just to look at a side note on that as well.
• 30:19
  Modi Sky Ring who also ran the actual standard 1449, she
• 30:24
  obviously hasn't had a mention at all.
• 30:27
  And just referring back to the WA standards of like 50% come
• 30:31
  from run the standard, 50% from quota.
• 30:35
  Australia had five girls run the standard and one of them has
• 30:38
  missed out entirely, which is unfortunate for her.
• 30:40
  So that leaves the 10K then. So we have Izzy back.
• 30:43
  Doyle and Lauren Ryan have been selected there.
• 30:47
  So I think Izzy got in on rankings in the end, didn't she?
• 30:50
  She was kind of. To be honest, I think just about
• 30:53
  everyone in that women's list got in on like who ran that?
• 30:56
  That standard was crazy. It was a lot. 3020.
• 31:01
  I don't know who there would have been, maybe like 4 women
• 31:04
  that got in on that. Yeah, Remember you were tracking
• 31:07
  like where she was ranked on the list and stuff, though I wonder
• 31:11
  kind of how close in the end, but she obviously got in.
• 31:13
  I didn't, I don't think it moved every time I checked, sort of
• 31:16
  stayed, which sort of makes sense.
• 31:18
  I think it was sort of really hard for any other athletes
• 31:21
  because her performances were very like, scored a lot of
• 31:24
  points. And yeah, I'm not sure how many
• 31:28
  national 10 KS there were in those last few weeks that would
• 31:31
  have offered, you know, like you're running a 10K in summer
• 31:36
  in Europe, you know, likely in a Northern Hemisphere.
• 31:39
  Some are. And then even with the bonus
• 31:41
  points, I don't know if it, I don't think it moved, to be
• 31:43
  honest, in the road to Tokyo. I think she was still the same
• 31:45
  rank as what I saw before. Cool.
• 31:49
  So that leaves the marathon for the women, which is Sarah Klein,
• 31:52
  Vanessa Wilson and Tara Palm. I think Sarah Klein and Vanessa
• 31:56
  Wilson were kind of communicated a little while ago and Tara Palm
• 32:02
  was a late addition. I think maybe was that the space
• 32:05
  that Izzy had but chose not to participate in?
• 32:08
  Yeah, that's pretty cool. I think.
• 32:12
  I don't know yet. I don't want to mention, maybe
• 32:15
  should mention people's ages, but it's good.
• 32:17
  Tara's been running for a while and so it's cool to see, you
• 32:21
  know, making world champs teams go the marathon.
• 32:24
  Yeah, I didn't realize at the time, but when we were in
• 32:27
  Ballarat, when we sat around the table, was it like on race day
• 32:30
  afterwards and there's a few of us just chatting?
• 32:32
  One of the ladies there was Tara, wasn't it?
• 32:37
  Yeah, that's right. And like, yeah, so easy.
• 32:40
  And Tara, both South Australian runners.
• 32:42
  So yeah, pretty, pretty cool now.
• 32:45
  I think 1/2 of the three Ballarat races that were on that
• 32:50
  weekend. Also do you think maybe low key
• 32:53
  like it was SA and WA unite and against the east as like the
• 32:57
  smaller states it? Always feels a little bit like.
• 33:02
  That for the men's team. Then from the 800 meters we have
• 33:05
  Pete Ball, Luke Boys and Peyton Craig, which I think was pretty
• 33:08
  black and white. The 1500, geez, this is where
• 33:12
  the kind of contention comes in again.
• 33:14
  So Cam Myers was preselected from way back in April when
• 33:19
  nationals were, and then there was 2 spots to be filled from
• 33:24
  three potential candidates. So Adam Spencer and Jude Thomas
• 33:28
  ended up being selected with Ollie Hoare the unfortunate one
• 33:31
  to miss out. And it's, I guess you can
• 33:35
  probably argue all three cases and you can be there all day and
• 33:38
  there's no kind of clear resolution and everyone has
• 33:41
  their opinion on it and playing the diplomats at the end of the
• 33:46
  day, like someone's going to be unhappy because everyone feels
• 33:49
  like they have a realistic argument.
• 33:51
  Was there an appeal lodged for this?
• 33:52
  Like did Ali appeal or? So they didn't formally
• 33:56
  communicate so, but I think with kind of the delay in announcing
• 34:00
  the team, there's maybe been a couple of appeals that they've
• 34:03
  already resolved prior to releasing this.
• 34:05
  Like surely releasing the team this late is bad for like even
• 34:14
  the athletes. Like they I just can't imagine
• 34:18
  like Jude Thomas finding out last week that he's going to be
• 34:21
  going to the world's. Like he has to know that like a
• 34:24
  month out just to like mentally prepare and like sort how it was
• 34:27
  training. Like they all have.
• 34:29
  They have to know this well before no?
• 34:34
  Well, I'd say there's a few. There's a few conspiracy
• 34:36
  theories that say that they might have known as in like if
• 34:39
  you look at kinda the patterns of racing amongst them, like
• 34:43
  Olly Hall was racing all the way up until the cut off, I guess
• 34:47
  potentially trying to prove himself or prove his
• 34:51
  justification in the line up. Whereas the others were kind of
• 34:54
  less aggressive. Maybe had they been told as it
• 34:57
  stands, you're in. I don't know, I'm just
• 34:59
  theorizing. I.
• 35:00
  Feel like Adam Spencer for a lad would switch a like low profile.
• 35:04
  He's done well for himself, like he's after making the Olympics
• 35:08
  last year or Olympics in Paris and now a world champs, and he's
• 35:14
  still really, really young. Yeah, considering what he was
• 35:18
  based in the US for a while, maybe still is and he just kind
• 35:21
  of comes over, gets a space in the the major champs and then
• 35:25
  pisses off again he's. Doing well for himself.
• 35:27
  Because like in the conversation around this, the debate was
• 35:31
  always all Jude or Ollie. But I feel like between the
• 35:35
  three of them, like you can choose any 2.
• 35:37
  Like, yeah, it's such a tough, tough choice.
• 35:40
  And like, Ollie has like, championship experience, but
• 35:44
  like, dude, Jude, the world of good getting this championship
• 35:48
  experience. And there's no, like, everyone's
• 35:52
  allude. Well, Jude's obviously a winner,
• 35:54
  but you feel sorry for Ollie. I'm a bit confused like so,
• 36:00
  because I thought when there was that controversy around the
• 36:03
  women's marathon team for Tokyo, I thought Jess Stenson got
• 36:09
  selected. Part of the criteria was the
• 36:11
  like championship experience and doing well at major
• 36:14
  championships. And she'd won gold at a previous
• 36:18
  COM Games, which I thought may be counted in her favour.
• 36:21
  And Ollie won gold at a COM Games previously and he's run
• 36:26
  faster than Jude this year, right?
• 36:29
  So he's run faster, run a second faster, and he's previously been
• 36:34
  like a gold medallist at a fairly major championship.
• 36:40
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 36:40
  I don't. I wonder what other criteria was
• 36:44
  taken into consideration that meant that he wasn't found in
• 36:49
  favor of. Well, here, so interpret this
• 36:51
  because I don't get out because you can kind of hypothesize as
• 36:55
  much as you like, but you have to reference what they've used
• 36:58
  to make the decision to try and make sense of it, don't you?
• 37:00
  So it's got where more than three athletes are eligible.
• 37:04
  The committee will consider the following factors in no
• 37:07
  particular order of priority. Likelihood of a top 8 finish.
• 37:12
  So maybe you would say like Ollie wins on that, but then
• 37:16
  Jude's been actually competitive in races this year.
• 37:19
  So whether an athlete qualified via performance standard or
• 37:23
  ranking, but they both had the ranking and they both had the
• 37:27
  auto time demonstrate high level performance throughout the
• 37:31
  qualification period. So they're all kind of quite
• 37:35
  ambiguous because yeah, Ollie's run faster, but then more
• 37:38
  recently he's been slower. It goes on.
• 37:41
  Proven ability to peek at major championships, you would say,
• 37:44
  hands down. Ollie obviously wins on that.
• 37:47
  Proven ability to meet or exceed qualification level performances
• 37:50
  during international competitions.
• 37:53
  Participation in the 2025 track and field championships, which
• 37:57
  they both did. And then this is the last one,
• 38:00
  which basically says regardless of everything prior, we're just
• 38:04
  going to do what we want anyway. And this is kind of what causes
• 38:07
  the controversy and leads to conspiracy theories because it
• 38:10
  says any additional factors deemed relevant by the selection
• 38:14
  committee in consultation with National Federation General
• 38:17
  Manager High Performance. So that one just says we can do
• 38:22
  what we want essentially. Yeah, hard to make sense of.
• 38:26
  Like, I think the I don't know. And This is why.
• 38:32
  So in this example, there was always going to be a winner and
• 38:35
  a loser. But say when you have the US
• 38:38
  trials, like how? How seemingly is it unfair for
• 38:43
  Yaredna Goos and Josh Howey? But they lost.
• 38:46
  And so they sort of walk away like it was what they it wasn't
• 38:50
  outside their control. Whereas this feels a little bit
• 38:53
  outside of their control, an athlete's control.
• 38:57
  It's left up to sort of an ambiguous selection process,
• 39:00
  which just doesn't sit well. No, I agree.
• 39:04
  Like you've run faster than someone this year and you've
• 39:08
  previously won gold. I don't know, surely you'd be a
• 39:12
  bit filthy? And he actually finished higher
• 39:15
  than him at nationals this year as well.
• 39:17
  Strange, like the American trials just take all this
• 39:21
  bullshit out of it. Just one, two and three go.
• 39:24
  Like Yardley, Goose can cry all he wants, but he didn't show up
• 39:27
  so. Yeah, and maybe even talking
• 39:30
  about the hit, you know, two or three weeks out from a major
• 39:33
  championships. It's the same with like a so
• 39:36
  sometimes for world champs cross country, they run a selection
• 39:41
  race ahead of that which is not the same as national cross
• 39:44
  country because of the timing difference.
• 39:47
  To your point point, Owen, can you not just have a selection
• 39:51
  selection race? Is Australian athletics perhaps
• 39:53
  getting to the point where it's deep enough to warrant its own
• 39:56
  selection races, but maybe it doesn't need to piggyback off
• 39:58
  the national championships? Yeah, I'm like you'd wonder
• 40:02
  actually, like what's Ollie doing now?
• 40:04
  Because like, he should be really be doing that New York
• 40:07
  Mile, but he's not even down for that.
• 40:10
  So you wonder, you just feel for him, to be honest.
• 40:13
  He's had a had a rough year in this.
• 40:16
  Sort of like the cherry on top. And that's what I'm saying with
• 40:19
  like kind of Adam going under the radar in being selected or
• 40:23
  like assumed to be worthy of his place.
• 40:27
  He's run the slowest of them all this year.
• 40:29
  He's run 332.88 and Ollie has run 1.71 point 6 seconds faster
• 40:36
  than him. Which is massive.
• 40:39
  But didn't he win nationals? No, I can't.
• 40:42
  But Adam was the only one to, like get out of his heats in the
• 40:45
  Olympics, wasn't he? So I think that kind of weighs
• 40:48
  heavily for him. And he won nationals prior last
• 40:51
  year, maybe. Yeah, it was parasite.
• 40:54
  But yeah, it's hard to kind of draw a solid conclusion from it,
• 40:58
  but hopefully the ones who have been selected to justify their
• 41:00
  selection and run well anyway because that will kind of settle
• 41:04
  it all. Otherwise, the it'll stare back
• 41:08
  up again, won't it? So last item on the news agenda
• 41:11
  then was the that Kenya have bid for the.
• 41:16
  Whoa, 5K big set needs a shout, Yeah.
• 41:20
  I just got too excited with the all this Australian 1500 stuff
• 41:26
  and decide to skip the rest of the men's team.
• 41:28
  Yeah, sorry. So 5K, we've got Seth O'Donnell,
• 41:32
  Jack Rayner and Kai Robinson being selected.
• 41:35
  Go on, Owen. Like you have to take your hat
• 41:38
  off to set. O'Donnell went over to Europe,
• 41:42
  tried to run all the 5K races over there and he couldn't even
• 41:47
  get in the best ones. So like if there's another
• 41:50
  really good athlete, the Belgian guy, John Heyman, and he was in
• 41:55
  the like. So he's been to Olympics and
• 41:57
  all, and he could only get into races paced at 1310.
• 42:01
  And ideally the standard is 13 O 1.
• 42:04
  So you want to be in a race faster than that.
• 42:06
  So like Seth had no hope of getting into any of them fast
• 42:09
  races, but he's after putting himself about got onto some
• 42:12
  super fast 3K races. And yeah, he's got through on,
• 42:17
  he got through on the points, wasn't it?
• 42:20
  Yeah, it's actually mad that he's got in because he didn't go
• 42:23
  to Europe for a little while either.
• 42:24
  Like the season was well on the way.
• 42:26
  He's kind of had to like take the second string of races and
• 42:30
  he's managed to get the job done, so fair play to him.
• 42:33
  Then there's no man gun. What sets?
• 42:36
  MPB 1309 no 1413. 14 yeah, like Genie Mac, fair play.
• 42:44
  Don't forget an end like that is like you look at Jack Rayner,
• 42:48
  he's 5th. He's third.
• 42:49
  No 1259 or something. Kai Robinson is like a low 13 as
• 42:55
  well. If not, did he break 13 and then
• 42:57
  since? They're like he did.
• 42:59
  Sets 13, I think it's 1312 or something like that, like that.
• 43:03
  Is he done the maths? And yeah, just fair play to him.
• 43:08
  Fair play. Yeah, whoever's, because
• 43:10
  obviously he was like, all by himself up until when he got
• 43:14
  picked up at some point this year.
• 43:15
  So whoever's been guiding him in terms of like, getting him into
• 43:18
  these races and like telling him kind of what he needs to do to
• 43:22
  get himself qualified. Like, they've done a good job,
• 43:24
  haven't they? Because as you can see, it's
• 43:26
  just a minefield. Like, how are you supposed to
• 43:28
  concentrate on training and getting yourself in shape to run
• 43:32
  well and then also like navigate this qualification process and
• 43:37
  getting into races and stuff like must be so hard.
• 43:41
  Stressful when it's your like job and then you've got
• 43:45
  organizations like UK Athletics that don't even let you go.
• 43:47
  It's fucking bullshit. Yeah, especially when it's your
• 43:51
  job because you might be thinking of I can go and run
• 43:54
  this race and maybe pick up an easy win and get a couple of
• 43:57
  grand, but then this race would be better for me.
• 44:00
  Looking at qualification for a championships in like 18 months
• 44:03
  time. The men didn't select any for
• 44:05
  the 10,000 meters, but they did select Andrew Buchanan, Tim
• 44:09
  Vincent and Liam Burden for the marathon.
• 44:11
  So I don't think still any more updates on Andy, but we'll see.
• 44:16
  What did Liam Boudin run take qualify?
• 44:20
  Did he break 210 I? Think so 2:00 and 9:00.
• 44:23
  So, yeah, as I was trying to jump ahead to before was that
• 44:26
  Kenya have bid for the World Athletics Championships in 2029
• 44:31
  and 2031. I guess say no more on that.
• 44:34
  We've kind of covered enough Kenya news in the past couple of
• 44:37
  months to know why that would be interesting or controversial.
• 44:40
  But another country in there is India, and they've also had
• 44:45
  their fair share of similar stories with Kenya.
• 44:48
  I just can't see Kenya ever getting it because of the
• 44:51
  altitude and it would just mess up so many.
• 44:54
  It would be fair runners who never went altitude before.
• 44:57
  They've hosted World Cross and Mexico City.
• 45:00
  I think that's where like a long standing Australian was before
• 45:04
  the 200 meter record was from Mexico City back in God, when
• 45:10
  was that like the 60s? I think that's when the
• 45:15
  Australian 200 meter record was set because I think airs thinner
• 45:18
  up there. So good for the sprints.
• 45:20
  I got that wrong. Lambert has run 210.
• 45:23
  Still pretty fast. I think London is also one of
• 45:27
  the candidates for these next couple as well, so hopefully
• 45:30
  London does well there. The next one is actually in
• 45:33
  Beijing and China 2027. That'll be fun.
• 45:37
  Yeah, throwback to 2008. Yeah.
• 45:41
  Bird's nest or something was it? Yeah, they called it the
• 45:44
  stadium. Yeah.
• 45:45
  All right. That's.
• 45:46
  Kenya's would be Kenya's would be held in Kipchoge Stadium.
• 45:49
  Do you know that one that everyone goes to?
• 45:51
  That's just a good track. So moving on to our Tokyo
• 45:55
  predictions. So embedded in the clubhouse
• 45:58
  this week, we're going to drop a link to a Google Form and that's
• 46:01
  going to be the invitation for all your listeners to get
• 46:04
  involved and play along in a similar vein to kind of fantasy
• 46:08
  fussy. We're going to be choosing our
• 46:10
  medal predictions for each of the 815 hundred 5010 thousand
• 46:15
  marathon for both the men and the women.
• 46:18
  And we've kind of set the form up so that all of the main names
• 46:22
  hopefully are listed there and you have an option to choose
• 46:27
  gold, silver, bronze. And how the format will work
• 46:31
  will be you get one point if you correctly predict that an
• 46:34
  athlete will get a medal, but you don't get the medal right.
• 46:38
  And you get 2 points if you correctly predict the actual
• 46:41
  medal that they win. And whoever wins at the end of
• 46:44
  the championships will be subject to a prize, which we're
• 46:48
  just trying to iron out the details of.
• 46:51
  But we can be certain it's going to be a brand of shoes.
• 46:56
  We're just trying to confirm what that brand will be.
• 47:00
  No and or I think you are going to get a coffee and a croissant.
• 47:04
  No for the winner. If they're in Perth, coffee and
• 47:07
  croissants or no one, we'll pay it forward for you.
• 47:12
  Do you 2 still know the WA running podcast?
• 47:15
  Some big shells actually. Yeah, fuck.
• 47:19
  All right. Lost a bit, Adam.
• 47:24
  The Bunbury Marathon we got, we'd put aside money for that
• 47:28
  and then Ryan went the wrong way and we'd that we'd miscounted
• 47:32
  our winnings from that race. Wait, remember the remember Ryan
• 47:36
  went down and did the Bunbury 5 waters instead of the Bunbury 3
• 47:39
  waters and. Wait, me doing that has no
• 47:42
  relevance to this composition? Oh, this is this debt.
• 47:47
  Money gone missing is sort of easy.
• 47:50
  Double funds that we had to, you know, reallocate.
• 47:53
  Well. That's even more in debt.
• 47:56
  Yeah. If that's the case, those $1000
• 48:00
  that you wouldn't have gone missing as well.
• 48:03
  They nearly did, actually. Matt, fortunately, Matt's a
• 48:08
  clubhouse member, so he's sort of he, he came through with the
• 48:13
  goods. See, you've frowned me off.
• 48:15
  Now I've forgotten where I was up to in terms of telling them
• 48:17
  how how to play the game. Well, you joined the clubhouse.
• 48:21
  How do we join the clubhouse? Because even do you have to
• 48:23
  download an app? Is that true?
• 48:25
  Yeah. So it operates a lot better on
• 48:27
  the app, but you can use it in browser.
• 48:29
  So if you navigate to easy double clubhouse dot circle dot,
• 48:33
  SO you can sign up for free or you can sign up as a supporter
• 48:37
  and then optionally help us out, but that's by no means a
• 48:40
  requirement. And then you will find the
• 48:43
  Google form in there and next week, not next week because the
• 48:48
  Learning have been one or two races by then, but the second
• 48:51
  episode from now, we'll communicate a bit of a live
• 48:53
  standings because it'll be like the halfway point and no one
• 48:57
  will be getting ridiculed if you get in a shit amount of points
• 49:00
  because it's a bit of a lottery and a minefield.
• 49:03
  As you'll figure out, it's quite, quite the guessing game
• 49:06
  once you get into it. So yeah, just a bit of thought.
• 49:10
  How about we do? The loser has to buy the pair of
• 49:13
  shoes for the runner. You're the winner.
• 49:17
  I'll pay for that. I only have to beat you 2.
• 49:20
  Let's do it. Don't mind a punt.
• 49:26
  And what what I also wanted to say was that everyone who enters
• 49:30
  will go into a free prize draw. So you don't have to win, you
• 49:33
  don't have to finish second, you just have to enter for some
• 49:36
  nutrition. And we're thinking a pillar
• 49:39
  magnesium along with some Bix gels will be the prize for that.
• 49:44
  And literally all you have to do to enter is enter and it'll be a
• 49:48
  random selection. The point with this is that if
• 49:52
  you share it on your story, you will get bonus entries so that
• 49:57
  your name will be entered five times rather than once.
• 49:59
  So do you download the Circle app and then can you register
• 50:02
  that way or not? I just know I've got the circle
• 50:05
  app. You're in there.
• 50:09
  Yeah, I'm just, I'm just, if you're like me, I think I
• 50:12
  struggle to join. I'm just making sure, do you
• 50:16
  download the app or not or you don't need to?
• 50:19
  I think download the app, yeah. Then you register online and you
• 50:23
  then click through the app. Gotcha, gotcha.
• 50:27
  And toll free, the app doesn't cost the club host doesn't cost.
• 50:30
  And then there'll be a Google link inside because I've done
• 50:33
  the Google link. So I can, I'm going to go, are
• 50:36
  we going to release our predictions now so people get a
• 50:39
  scoop? Yeah, we're going to talk
• 50:40
  through them. So do you want to tell us what
• 50:43
  where you've gone? You walk us through it and I'll
• 50:45
  give you mine. Sure.
• 50:48
  Well, first of all, you asked for a time for the women's
• 50:51
  marathon. In the event of a tie.
• 50:52
  Do you want me to disclose that or do I keep that one up my
• 50:56
  sleeve? Maybe keep that up your sleeve
• 50:58
  as a differential. All right, won't give that away
• 51:03
  just in case someone goes with these because they're good
• 51:05
  guesses. So men's 800, I've gone
• 51:10
  unsurprisingly, Emmanuel when Yoni for the win, winning
• 51:15
  everything at the minute. Marco Arop, did he win Olympic
• 51:18
  gold or where was he at? He was thereabouts, wasn't he at
• 51:22
  Paris? Gone him for silver And I've
• 51:25
  gone the given our affiliates, the easy double affiliates of
• 51:31
  JB. I've gone with Max Bergen as the
• 51:34
  bronze medalist. What about you guys?
• 51:36
  OK, I've gone similar. I've gone I've changed it a
• 51:42
  couple of times. I've gone begging to win when
• 51:45
  you're new 2nd and look and how stared.
• 51:48
  I think I've jumped on the hypertrain a little bit, but
• 51:51
  here's my logic. So when you're new has looked
• 51:56
  unbeatable all year as you say. However he only beat Bergen by
• 52:00
  no point nought 5 at the Diamond League final and when your news
• 52:05
  been racing all year since Grand Slam track, whereas Bergen's
• 52:09
  coming a little bit later to the party.
• 52:12
  So maybe he can find that point nought 5 up his sleeve
• 52:16
  somewhere. What about you on?
• 52:18
  I'm just doing here now. I done.
• 52:20
  Donovan Brazer, the comeback engage, Yeah, and Wunyoni second
• 52:26
  and reckon Sujai. I hate him, but yeah for him.
• 52:31
  Third. Yeah, I feel like.
• 52:34
  Yeah, we all know. Very possible.
• 52:36
  Do we do do the women's 800 whilst we're here or do we go
• 52:39
  men 15? We can it just.
• 52:44
  Whichever. In that order in the Google.
• 52:46
  Map. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:46
  Now you go Google. All right, I have gone who?
• 52:51
  I mean, I think we're we'll see what you say, but who is
• 52:56
  currently the I think the now the red hot favorite in Laros
• 52:59
  for gold. I've gone Josh Kerr for silver
• 53:02
  and Faneuil Kovich, the 18 year old Kenyan phenom, as the bronze
• 53:09
  medalist. And any logic or yeah.
• 53:13
  Oh, logic is Laros kicked home like out kicked everyone in 329,
• 53:20
  which is silly, silly fast. Did you listen to the science
• 53:24
  sports podcast this week? Those guys love they're pretty.
• 53:30
  I really like listening to them, but they they're sort of on
• 53:33
  Laros as well. I feel like it's a bit of a
• 53:36
  common thread. I probably disrespected Jacob
• 53:40
  and Hawker in that, but yeah, just feel like you I, I don't
• 53:43
  know, I struggle to go past La Ross.
• 53:45
  I feel like he's not only is he running fast, but he's closing
• 53:48
  right out races. Josh Kerr I feel like always
• 53:51
  peaks for major championships really well.
• 53:54
  And so I feel like whilst he's been beaten by La Ross and
• 53:58
  Koich, I think I just feel like he always peaks really well.
• 54:01
  And then Koich is sort of been in form.
• 54:04
  So I just feel like Jakob's probably a dark horse as well,
• 54:09
  but he's either boom or bust, so.
• 54:11
  I feel like putting from Yakob will win or he won't play or he
• 54:15
  won't play, yeah. Yeah.
• 54:17
  And so and I don't think he wins.
• 54:18
  So I've left him off. Yeah.
• 54:19
  And so I have gone for Josh Kerr to get gold.
• 54:26
  Then I went for Reynolds Chariot, Timothy's little
• 54:30
  brother. I Reynolds going to get second
• 54:33
  and then Laros third. Actually not.
• 54:36
  Laros isn't getting it. Andrew Kostkin's getting third.
• 54:39
  Yeah, it's all in. He's been converted as of
• 54:42
  yesterday. Must have been some good
• 54:43
  training talk. Tanya, listen up.
• 54:47
  Irish Irish hate Wave is just got the final adaption he's
• 54:51
  needed. It's very similar to the heat in
• 54:55
  in Japan. So yeah, watch out.
• 54:57
  Feel like the this podium, it could be, it's 3 of potentially
• 55:01
  like 6 or 7 and then it's any combination as well, isn't it?
• 55:04
  Like there's literally no clarity.
• 55:07
  But I've gone with hocker, Laros care.
• 55:11
  So I was just trying to envisage it in my head how it's going to
• 55:14
  go. Hocker and Wellcare's going to
• 55:17
  make the first move. He's going to try and drag it
• 55:19
  out from like 5-6 hundred meters.
• 55:22
  Hocker's going to go with him. He's going to think there's the
• 55:24
  race and then Hocker will be care and pull away from him and
• 55:29
  then Laros will race the rest of the field and he'll close that
• 55:33
  hard that he'll get past care when he's tying up as well.
• 55:36
  The commentary from the Science Spot podcast that Ross Tucker,
• 55:44
  they were sort of saying, I think they were sharing some
• 55:46
  stats about like just how fast, like how many people are under
• 55:50
  330 now. Like the the game sort of
• 55:52
  changed and I think the last time where there was maybe like
• 55:55
  one person under 3/30 was back in 2019.
• 55:59
  And that one person was Timothy Chariot.
• 56:02
  And he could sort of go gun to tape back then because he was
• 56:06
  sort of just so much better than anyone else.
• 56:08
  He could sort of just front runner and sort of the advantage
• 56:12
  of front running was because he was so much fitter, it didn't
• 56:17
  necessarily matter. Whereas now if it's a lot
• 56:19
  closer, I think there's the sort of meta, you know, like the game
• 56:23
  changes because if you're going to now sort of set tempo for
• 56:26
  everyone and you're not materially fitter than them,
• 56:30
  then you're basically diminishing your chances of
• 56:32
  winning. So it's sort of not advantageous
• 56:34
  to do that. So I don't know.
• 56:37
  I yeah. So I wonder if perhaps the race
• 56:40
  is not running sub 330 pace. Perhaps, you know, maybe it's
• 56:44
  run more like 331, three, 32, which is just enough to bring
• 56:48
  other people into the race, which would make it quite
• 56:51
  interesting. I think it opens it up again,
• 56:53
  but the way Lara's closed, I still think it's him.
• 56:56
  But I wonder if someone's going to go at a suicidal pace, like a
• 57:01
  really fast pace this year. I wonder it might be a bit
• 57:03
  different. There's so many different
• 57:04
  dynamics and I think that's like the exciting thing.
• 57:07
  You just don't know how it's going to play out.
• 57:11
  Wouldn't you love to be like kind of in on some of the
• 57:14
  conversations between the athletes and the coaches in
• 57:16
  terms of how they're thinking with the race will best suit
• 57:20
  them, in terms of tactics, what to do?
• 57:22
  If you went someone like just as a complete roughy, let's say
• 57:26
  it's a sitting kick, you know like what it was 2016 Olympics
• 57:30
  like Centrawitz type race. Would you anyone out like real
• 57:36
  rough that you might throw in? I've lost my long list.
• 57:39
  I'm just looking at my 3 picks now.
• 57:40
  I'll throw a few names like Jonah Koich who won US track and
• 57:44
  field, Ethan Strand, Nordass, Falcon, Ghoulie, Reynold
• 57:49
  Chariot. Because the Americans like that
• 57:52
  Ethan Strand, there's a closer, don't they?
• 57:54
  Yeah. Even though he's like everyone,
• 57:56
  Yeah. Even The Ethiopians, Germa
• 57:59
  nibret at a zoo, I don't know they could be.
• 58:02
  Looking at the depth, there's going to be a few names who miss
• 58:05
  out on the final, isn't there? Yeah, and that's probably some
• 58:08
  of these like real kickers maybe just don't get through the heats
• 58:11
  and semis. Yes, they'll probably be pretty
• 58:13
  honest to start off with, won't they?
• 58:15
  Like people will be making sure they're through, the kickers
• 58:18
  will be wanting it to be slow anyway.
• 58:20
  What have you got for the the 5000?
• 58:22
  This is where I started to struggle a little bit I think.
• 58:25
  This race is so stacked. Yeah, I've gone Jacob Fisher
• 58:33
  Young. No African.
• 58:34
  And I thought that was going to be yeah, that was going to be my
• 58:37
  talking point after the race was just what a turn up sort of the
• 58:41
  African dominance of and really like Ethiopian dominance.
• 58:44
  Like when's the last time an Ethiopian didn't medal in the
• 58:47
  Olympics or world champs in A5? Ki Reckon it'll be a while,
• 58:50
  surely. But that's my yeah, it's my
• 58:53
  spicy take. I'm going for Jacob Gold, Nico
• 58:58
  Young Silver and Laros Bronze, even though I feel bad not
• 59:03
  picking your man Andres Almagrin.
• 59:06
  The key could be there thereabouts, but yeah, I don't
• 59:10
  know. No African representation
• 59:12
  either. Now they're washed.
• 59:13
  So I'll bring them into play. I'm still saying Jakob's going
• 59:16
  to win. I've got is it Mahari Berian?
• 59:19
  Mahari, second and Fisher, third.
• 59:23
  Mahari Dutch up like 17 or 18. He's so young, he looks like a
• 59:28
  kid. We're saving all the Kenyan or
• 59:30
  all the Africans for the 10K. Yeah, well, they've all moved
• 59:33
  up. I don't know what happened.
• 59:34
  Are you? I think one of the hard things
• 59:37
  to like try and navigate when you're trying to make these
• 59:39
  picks as well as like so many of them are Dublin and you're
• 59:42
  trying to, if you overthink it, I guess it just gets too
• 59:44
  complicated. Just got a look at it, see who
• 59:47
  you think's the best athlete. But I was getting lost in which
• 59:51
  people are Dublin and which events coming 1st and which
• 59:54
  they'll be better in because of that.
• 59:55
  So the 10K I'm actually just was trying to furiously Fact Check
• 1:00:00
  something but. I'll go first, I'll go first.
• 1:00:03
  Brilliant. So I've got Kajal Chat to
• 1:00:06
  finally get a gold medal. I've got Arugawe to get silver
• 1:00:14
  and then Andres Almagrin to get to get bronze and Hampton
• 1:00:22
  Samuels running in it. Yeah, he's on the quota on World
• 1:00:26
  Athletics and he's in bold. So I mean, I don't really know
• 1:00:30
  how to cross check the Eritrean picks, but I've taken that as
• 1:00:34
  gospel, so. I doubt Rory Linklater is going
• 1:00:37
  to double the 10K on the marathon or Woody.
• 1:00:40
  I don't think he's doing the marathon.
• 1:00:43
  Oh, is he? Not because Cam is, but I'm not
• 1:00:46
  sure they have more than one pick, but maybe I'll say mine
• 1:00:51
  and you you check if he is. So I've gone Aragawi Cajalcha.
• 1:00:56
  I think this is an Ethiopian triple Aragawi Cajalcha and
• 1:01:00
  Mahari. So the guy I picked in the 5K as
• 1:01:02
  well. So yeah, Ethiopian dominance
• 1:01:07
  there IMO. DNF.
• 1:01:09
  You figured out your facts. I haven't, but I'll just go with
• 1:01:13
  what I've what I've thought to be facts but I didn't properly
• 1:01:16
  check them so I've gone Fisher lobalu or lobalu and kajolcha.
• 1:01:27
  That's my 123. Lobalu must be an outsider
• 1:01:30
  there. He's obviously a good athlete,
• 1:01:32
  but. He was who I was trying to Fact
• 1:01:34
  Check, trying to see what he's recent.
• 1:01:38
  I thought I'd remember him having a good recent
• 1:01:41
  performance. Is that am I just making that
• 1:01:44
  up? I remember, excuse me, hearing
• 1:01:47
  like so much of him last year. Was it in the lead up to the
• 1:01:49
  Olympics and stuff? He was kind of what, what were
• 1:01:51
  you saying last week on a heater?
• 1:01:54
  But he seems to have gone a little bit quiet this year.
• 1:01:57
  He's obviously got himself qualified though.
• 1:02:00
  Yeah, I'm trying to work out where I pulled it from.
• 1:02:02
  Somewhere this could be. Yeah, this could be a misstep.
• 1:02:07
  Anyway, let's time will tell. I don't think Rory Linklater is
• 1:02:12
  selected at all. Red herring by Ryan in the
• 1:02:14
  Google Sheet. Yeah, mate.
• 1:02:16
  Well, it's bloody mine failed. Them.
• 1:02:18
  So we ended up getting the shoes.
• 1:02:20
  It's clever, actually. You know, when you, when you go
• 1:02:23
  to the, the World Athletics list and you think, OK, the top three
• 1:02:29
  Ethiopians and Kenyans will be the choices, but now you go to
• 1:02:33
  the actual team selection and they've chosen like 5th, 6th and
• 1:02:38
  7th. So there was a lot of hard work
• 1:02:42
  has gone into this Google form. So please everyone make make
• 1:02:45
  good use of it. And I've, I've given myself an
• 1:02:49
  out with the other box at the bottom.
• 1:02:51
  So if you if you pick someone who's not on there, then just
• 1:02:54
  use that and messages. Well, we'll come to that
• 1:02:56
  shortly, I think. If I missed.
• 1:03:02
  Let's not spoil the surprise men's marathon.
• 1:03:07
  I've gone Abdi Negay for gold Galletta from Ethiopia second
• 1:03:14
  and to Kelly to Kelly from Ethiopia third.
• 1:03:19
  We're speaking about this offline, sorry, offline before
• 1:03:23
  when we about like these names not being like kind of major
• 1:03:26
  major names. But then what?
• 1:03:28
  If you look into their backgrounds, they've still like
• 1:03:30
  podium that majors and run 2O22O3.
• 1:03:33
  Like these African marathoners are just obscene.
• 1:03:37
  There's so many of them running so fast and you just don't know
• 1:03:40
  them. Yeah, like I went for Vincent
• 1:03:43
  Ngoetch for gold just because I feel like Ngoetch is a that name
• 1:03:49
  is like one medal. So then I'm going for Crippa
• 1:03:55
  from Italy in 2nd and Clayton Young in 3rd.
• 1:04:01
  Yeah, nice. And I've gone Galata tequila and
• 1:04:05
  the male caress there was. The bronze medal is definitely
• 1:04:09
  up for grabs I think, isn't it? Hence Clayton Young.
• 1:04:13
  So yeah, I've just gone with the UK roots there for a meal.
• 1:04:16
  So that's the men's move into the women's.
• 1:04:18
  So women's 800 I've gone Keely Hodgkinson gold, Audrey Werro,
• 1:04:25
  Swiss athlete silver and Segay de Guma bronze.
• 1:04:31
  Confession, I may have, I may have consulted bet 365 with with
• 1:04:38
  this research because the first few events there's, there's
• 1:04:43
  betting markets available, gamble responsibly.
• 1:04:47
  Everyone but Keely is paying I think $1.10 currently.
• 1:04:54
  So she's borderline unbackable. Yeah.
• 1:04:58
  Look, I may have gone 123 based on the 365 market, but what I
• 1:05:06
  wanted to know is I cannot see Jess Hull in here.
• 1:05:09
  So I do see here on that Australian list that you
• 1:05:14
  mentioned, it does say at the bottom a bit like the Google
• 1:05:18
  form others on request. So you can actually e-mail the
• 1:05:22
  betting agent if you want to get a get some action if we if we
• 1:05:26
  think we know something they don't.
• 1:05:28
  So we could get Jess at a good price if we think she's a chance
• 1:05:31
  for gold. It was not minor medals, but
• 1:05:35
  yeah, that's where I pulled those names from.
• 1:05:37
  I've put Keely for gold, Georgia Hunter Bell for silver, and
• 1:05:42
  Wurro for bronze. Similarly, I've gone Keely gold,
• 1:05:46
  Georgia Hunter Bell silver and Lillian Odira bronze.
• 1:05:50
  So I was looking at that wear out because I know that she's
• 1:05:53
  kind of been running well and we've like mentioned her a lot
• 1:05:56
  in the results. She's first, second whatever,
• 1:05:59
  running like one 56157 quite often.
• 1:06:02
  And when I was on her profile, she's ran so much this year.
• 1:06:06
  She done European and Weld indoors in March and then she's
• 1:06:10
  done European under 20 threes also in July.
• 1:06:14
  And I guess she's kind of tried to keep that form up until now.
• 1:06:19
  So she's done 26 races this year.
• 1:06:25
  But Georgia Hunter Bell is a three two in a head to head with
• 1:06:29
  her. So it's pretty touch and go, oh.
• 1:06:31
  Yeah, Bet 365 has. We're a second favorite
• 1:06:38
  bookmakers have have gone. I think with raw time they tend
• 1:06:42
  to not have as much insight. I think they just generally just
• 1:06:46
  correlate by time until people start lying.
• 1:06:48
  Lying bets. Oh, I'm sure the Bet 365 market
• 1:06:52
  traders and analysts will be tuned in now and shifting the
• 1:06:55
  markets. Well, they might at a minimum.
• 1:06:57
  Could you add to the list please?
• 1:07:01
  Preferably, Preferably at the same odds as Cloudier and Sarah,
• 1:07:05
  which is 501 to 1. If they do adder, let me know
• 1:07:10
  when I'll grab your money. Maybe it's A to be placed market
• 1:07:15
  as well. It'd be handy.
• 1:07:16
  Place. That's what I did look for that
• 1:07:18
  couldn't find it. Women's 1500.
• 1:07:23
  Surprisingly, I've gone with Faith, Kippy, Aegon for gold,
• 1:07:27
  Jess Hall for 2nd, and Chichi for bronze.
• 1:07:31
  I've gone Faith Kippy Aegon for gold and chip churcher.
• 1:07:38
  Is she good? She she's so so for contact.
• 1:07:43
  I mean, bet 365 haven't opened the market yet, so I can't
• 1:07:46
  confirm for sure, but she is who ran down Jess the other day at
• 1:07:52
  the Diamond League final and I think has won everything by one
• 1:07:56
  race she's been in this year or something like that.
• 1:07:58
  So. Yes.
• 1:07:59
  OK so I've got Faith Gold, Chip, Churcher Silver and Sarah Healy
• 1:08:06
  in 3rd. I knew you wouldn't.
• 1:08:08
  You could struggle to look past Healy.
• 1:08:10
  I knew you'd you'd you'd go there?
• 1:08:13
  Yeah. Have to, I'm only going to clean
• 1:08:15
  up in this. I've gone Kippy Aegon to win
• 1:08:18
  well, Ted G 2nd and Jess Hall third.
• 1:08:22
  You know, just quickly before we move on, when I was looking into
• 1:08:26
  this as well, like Kippy Aegon's dominance, I I'd almost taken
• 1:08:31
  for granted until looking into this.
• 1:08:33
  So she's 18 to 0 in head to heads against Jess Hall.
• 1:08:39
  I mean, I know she's a better athlete, but she's never ever
• 1:08:42
  lost to her in 18 meets. Yeah, it's not bad.
• 1:08:46
  Speaking of keeping the faith, I've kept faith in as the gold
• 1:08:50
  medalist for the five women's 5K and then I've called Beatrice
• 1:08:57
  Chibet for the silver and an all Kenyan treble with fair bronze.
• 1:09:02
  This the women's 5K? Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  So I've gone, yeah. Chibet for gold.
• 1:09:06
  She's set the record, hasn't she?
• 1:09:09
  She broke 14. So she's getting gold from a
• 1:09:13
  fake, a peg on silver and good at the guy in bronze.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, Chibet's the robot who looked.
• 1:09:21
  Like she jogged 4800 meters at 14 flat pace and then kicked the
• 1:09:26
  last 200 to get 2 seconds under it, which is totally normal for
• 1:09:31
  runners to do that. Who who have a?
• 1:09:34
  Kenyan background with Rosa as their agents and.
• 1:09:41
  Say guy who picked for 3rd is the one that was in that race
• 1:09:44
  with Chibet was a cheat for 200 to go and then well and then I
• 1:09:49
  think it was it her record that it was getting currently getting
• 1:09:52
  sliced and diced. And so I think she just jogged
• 1:09:54
  it in when she got dropped. She actually could have ended up
• 1:09:58
  battering her. Own record, although obviously
• 1:10:00
  it would have been beaten, but yeah, she just spat a dummy out,
• 1:10:03
  didn't she? Yeah, and I think ran a. 1500
• 1:10:07
  the other day and didn't she go through in the first?
• 1:10:10
  She over, she overtook the pacemakers and ran the first lap
• 1:10:14
  in under 60 seconds over 1500, which is like women's world
• 1:10:19
  record is what is it? I don't know, 349 or something,
• 1:10:24
  That's 343 pace or something. She was 42 pace she was going
• 1:10:27
  through in so she's pretty wild. I think she's a reputation for
• 1:10:31
  like unconventional racing methods, so could be anything.
• 1:10:36
  This is the problem with her. She's down to double.
• 1:10:38
  The five and the 10 as well. So God knows how that's going to
• 1:10:42
  play out. Risky.
• 1:10:44
  Pick that one, Owen, but. I've also backed there and gone.
• 1:10:48
  Chiba kipyegon sagai gamblers. Oh, OK.
• 1:10:53
  So women's 10,000 meters. I've gone other for gold.
• 1:10:58
  Oh yeah, Hoover missed Chibet. Oh, fine.
• 1:11:02
  Maybe I should fix? This form before we go live.
• 1:11:07
  Oh, you. Keep keep that one up.
• 1:11:08
  Our sleeves might give us a chance to win.
• 1:11:10
  But yeah, I've gone Chibet for gold, Agnes Ningerdich for
• 1:11:16
  silver and say guy for bronze. I forgot I went say guy for
• 1:11:20
  bronze in the What about you guys?
• 1:11:25
  I'm going to go chibet gold. Chip and get itch.
• 1:11:28
  Silver and get itch. For bronze.
• 1:11:36
  Yeah, I have the exact same lineup as you, Dean.
• 1:11:38
  So I've picked chibet in my pics but I haven't put it on the
• 1:11:41
  form. That makes sense.
• 1:11:43
  Chibet get itch the guy much better you'll win this whole
• 1:11:47
  thing narrowing. There's a fix?
• 1:11:51
  I'm just. Getting a new pair of shoes.
• 1:11:55
  They'll. Go up on Marketplace because
• 1:11:56
  they're not being running. It segues nicely into training
• 1:12:02
  weeks, Ryan, And where do you so other?
• 1:12:06
  It says please message us to specify where's your message at
• 1:12:10
  the very end. Yeah, now you'll just have the
• 1:12:11
  message either in the clubhouse or the.
• 1:12:13
  Instagram and I'll make note because all the selections got
• 1:12:17
  downloaded or exported into an Excel file, so it can just
• 1:12:20
  update it at the bottom of that form.
• 1:12:23
  You can actually there's a free. Text field actually put in
• 1:12:25
  Chibet for gold and US size 9 just for Ryan Smith women's
• 1:12:32
  marathon's last race I've gone Tigs A Sefa for the win, Chip
• 1:12:42
  Cheecher for the silver and Kabete for the bronze yeah, I
• 1:12:47
  struggled here I didn't know any of these women I'd.
• 1:12:49
  Done a SEFA for gold chip Cheer cheer for.
• 1:12:54
  Silver. And Fenella McCormick for.
• 1:13:01
  Well, you're. Just throwing her points away
• 1:13:02
  there, haven't you? You want to open one up more
• 1:13:05
  than. One eye fun fact, my coach.
• 1:13:09
  Would have coached Fernando McCormick when she was a kid.
• 1:13:12
  She was younger. That's cool.
• 1:13:15
  So yeah, I know the inside scoop.
• 1:13:16
  And she's going to get a medal. Has she ran many marathons?
• 1:13:21
  She's sort of. Got quite the reputation for
• 1:13:23
  cross country, right? She's this is she's round 5
• 1:13:26
  Olympics I think. Something crazy like that, I
• 1:13:29
  think. Women's marathon?
• 1:13:31
  No So. She's don't like fighting a tank
• 1:13:33
  and all that. I think the last two have been
• 1:13:34
  marathon, OK. And so, yeah.
• 1:13:38
  Watch out. Yeah.
• 1:13:40
  OK. Well, if you haven't.
• 1:13:41
  Noticed in the Irish. Is like blandly patriotic.
• 1:13:48
  I've said a couple of things that have walked me into that
• 1:13:51
  that neighborhood. I can't remember what I've
• 1:13:53
  struggling to remember what I said the other day, but we might
• 1:13:57
  have had to edit it out. So yeah, no, I'm learning.
• 1:14:02
  Watch your back. I went Asafa Kabadde.
• 1:14:07
  Jeff Churchill And again, in case people kind of like looking
• 1:14:12
  at these names and they don't mean too much.
• 1:14:14
  So Asafa won London this year and bizarrely beat Saffan
• 1:14:18
  Hassan. And what's that Jeff Cosguy's
• 1:14:22
  first name? Jeff Cosguy.
• 1:14:23
  Anyway, yeah. And I think about they were one.
• 1:14:29
  She's won Tokyo back-to-back this year and the year prior
• 1:14:32
  running 2:15 and 2:16. And Jeff Church won London last
• 1:14:38
  year and she's 1 to 1 and head to heads with a Safa.
• 1:14:41
  So all pretty tight, depending on which angle you look at it
• 1:14:45
  from. Yeah, no, I won't comment on
• 1:14:47
  Fenola there even though. But it would be hot, so it might
• 1:14:50
  throw in some surprises. At least we don't go stealing
• 1:14:54
  other nations marathoners. Here we go.
• 1:15:02
  We I feel like Betsy Syena, Syena might be 1 to watch.
• 1:15:10
  Feel like something, something will happen.
• 1:15:11
  It's going to be hot. I don't know, but I couldn't do
• 1:15:17
  it. I just went with the three most
• 1:15:18
  obvious in that one. I can't believe I've just
• 1:15:22
  slandered the Irish and. I'm about to roll into YouTube
• 1:15:25
  Diaries and we're going to speak about the great Irish marathoner
• 1:15:29
  Steven Scullion. Just to clarify that I do love
• 1:15:32
  to edit the last five minutes out.
• 1:15:35
  Why? All right.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah, Steven Scullion Irish Marathon.
• 1:15:42
  Go. Yeah, I guess I.
• 1:15:46
  Can do a bit of AI can share my views in terms of his so Steve
• 1:15:50
  Scullion's like professional runner and marathoner has had a
• 1:15:55
  YouTube channel for a number of years now and sort of posts
• 1:16:00
  quite regular content, which is sort of follows his journey
• 1:16:04
  through athletics, but also is quite educational.
• 1:16:08
  Like he posts a like a mixture of vids just around training,
• 1:16:13
  training zones, training intensities, diets, you know,
• 1:16:20
  right like some of these race performances and some of the
• 1:16:24
  mental mental side of marathoning.
• 1:16:27
  And I mean, it's a pretty well put together rooster as well,
• 1:16:31
  right? So sort of is someone that I
• 1:16:34
  suspect it gets quite an audience.
• 1:16:36
  I think he's got like 150 K you should YouTube subscribers.
• 1:16:40
  So he it appeals to quite a wide market.
• 1:16:43
  And he's a guy that's sort of sharing his own running through
• 1:16:47
  his own sort of lens, but is pretty well accomplished and
• 1:16:53
  sort of just feels like someone that sort of improved over a
• 1:16:56
  long time through hard work and sort of shares his insights into
• 1:16:59
  how he got there. I've not actually engaged with
• 1:17:02
  his website, buthedoesoftenreferences@joggingroom.com.
• 1:17:08
  But yeah, I don't I, I, I, to be honest, I just consume a lot of
• 1:17:11
  his like his videos around gym work and training zones and just
• 1:17:16
  listen to his insights in terms of what he thinks is appropriate
• 1:17:19
  for marathon training. Is his kind of like set off he?
• 1:17:23
  Pretty much takes like loads of these buzzwords that are thrown
• 1:17:26
  around and almost like just dispels all the myth and rumors
• 1:17:29
  around them and actually breaks it down like what it means, how
• 1:17:32
  it should be used and stuff, isn't it?
• 1:17:34
  Yeah, it's like 20 to 30 minute video and.
• 1:17:36
  Hey, this is Zone 2. What he thinks it means and how
• 1:17:39
  he applies it to his training. You know, he's like, I run at
• 1:17:42
  this pace. It's important that my lactates
• 1:17:45
  at this I, you know, tend to run to heart rate.
• 1:17:49
  But you need to, you know, it sort of talks about how some of
• 1:17:52
  these methods are, how he applies them.
• 1:17:55
  You know, any sort of does a run or a workout and sort of lives
• 1:17:59
  the lives the science, which is really useful.
• 1:18:02
  It's also very raw like. There's videos of him like full
• 1:18:07
  on, like breaking down and like some of them are actually like,
• 1:18:10
  it's the other side are running like as a professional runner,
• 1:18:13
  like the stress you get put under.
• 1:18:15
  So yeah, it's just so raw and authentic what he puts out.
• 1:18:21
  He doesn't really hide. He actually has another he sells
• 1:18:24
  like running gear now, 26.2. I think that's the brand's name.
• 1:18:31
  But yeah, so he's doing very well for himself.
• 1:18:33
  But yeah, he's it's so like all the stuff he puts up on is so
• 1:18:37
  educational and it's really good to learn.
• 1:18:39
  How many Olympics would they have been to?
• 1:18:41
  Damn. Give me one second, I'll tell
• 1:18:43
  you now. Because he's a bit of an.
• 1:18:46
  He's not exactly like a masters athlete, but he's older, isn't
• 1:18:49
  he? It's kind of most of his career
• 1:18:51
  is behind them now. Yeah.
• 1:18:53
  And I don't think he's doing. He hasn't run much in a while.
• 1:18:56
  To be honest, well, I haven't seen him anyway.
• 1:18:58
  It's too cashed up off all the YouTube subscribers.
• 1:19:01
  By sounds of it, I genuinely remember like last year maybe
• 1:19:05
  I'll start going through his videos and was like almost
• 1:19:07
  taking notes and stuff. It's like some of the stuff
• 1:19:09
  because he's just like, as you say, so educational.
• 1:19:13
  It's almost like textbook, like you sat in a seminar, but like
• 1:19:16
  communicates it to you in a in a way that's like so applied.
• 1:19:20
  He's same birth here as me. Oh yeah, Korea.
• 1:19:24
  Korea's behind him. I think you've just been to. 1
• 1:19:29
  Olympics. Yeah, I think it might have been
• 1:19:31
  one because I think I remember him.
• 1:19:32
  Making like Doha world chance in 2019.
• 1:19:35
  And then he was on quite a quest to run the Olympic standard for
• 1:19:40
  Tokyo. And then he sort of, yeah, was
• 1:19:45
  really pushing to try and make the heart, heart, like get into
• 1:19:48
  the fear into the next Olympics and didn't make it in Paris.
• 1:19:52
  So. And that was when he was sort
• 1:19:54
  of, yeah, very open. We're sharing some of his
• 1:19:57
  troubles, right, like physical and mental.
• 1:20:01
  I think the brand, his brand dropped.
• 1:20:03
  On and then like they picked them back up after he won Dublin
• 1:20:07
  or came really well in Dublin or something like that.
• 1:20:09
  He had it really rough for a while.
• 1:20:11
  Yeah, he was an Under Armour athlete, wasn't he?
• 1:20:13
  Yeah, which is you don't hear many of them.
• 1:20:16
  Did they have the record for a while before that, Peter?
• 1:20:18
  Lynch guy? Yeah, he had two or nine.
• 1:20:22
  Something. Was his record but yeah, cool
• 1:20:25
  YouTube channel to surf through a lot there's.
• 1:20:27
  A heap of really good videos in there, All different things.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah, something different as well to like the.
• 1:20:32
  Usual style that we've been recommending.
• 1:20:34
  I guess most of them are kind of like vloggy style, aren't they,
• 1:20:38
  now? But here's, yeah, it's just
• 1:20:39
  something different. And credit goes to Matt.
• 1:20:43
  Jones isn't it for that recommendation?
• 1:20:46
  Yeah, for reminding us how we hadn't got there yet, he said.
• 1:20:49
  He's been waiting. So wait, no more math.
• 1:20:53
  And that's a good. Thing we we should start to.
• 1:20:56
  Kind of link all these up in the clubhouse and drop all the links
• 1:20:59
  to these channels so that there's kind of like a backlog
• 1:21:02
  of what we have spoken about South.
• 1:21:04
  One, we don't duplicate. And two, people can kind of like
• 1:21:07
  just quickly reference them, which rolls us into double
• 1:21:10
  trouble. And like I said last week, we're
• 1:21:13
  going to start to take the heat off ourselves with some of these
• 1:21:15
  because people are loving getting involved.
• 1:21:17
  So thanks to Liam Stocky for submitting this one and I'll
• 1:21:22
  throw it out there and you can let me know.
• 1:21:24
  Agree, disagree, different take on it.
• 1:21:28
  But he says the marathon being seen as the pinnacle of the
• 1:21:30
  sport is what's pushing people just getting into running into a
• 1:21:34
  further over faster mentality, which is a cop out for not being
• 1:21:38
  able to work on and improve different energy systems.
• 1:21:43
  So it got it got a bit of backing in the clubhouse.
• 1:21:46
  There's a few reactions and emojis of support and.
• 1:21:52
  I'll go. I'll go first to.
• 1:21:53
  Help you out. I can see where he's coming from
• 1:21:55
  like obviously these marathon times all have kind of like
• 1:22:00
  conversions in terms of what that means for a 5K, what it
• 1:22:03
  means for a 10K half marathon and so on with if not World
• 1:22:08
  Athletics points. Then if you use some of the
• 1:22:10
  calculators, it'll tell you like what the equivalent 5K time is.
• 1:22:14
  And let's take for example, a three hour marathon.
• 1:22:19
  That equates to, I don't know what it is, and I'm not going to
• 1:22:23
  say what I think it might be because it might offend people.
• 1:22:27
  But no, go on, go on. Well, a three hour.
• 1:22:30
  Marathon might. I don't know, I would say about
• 1:22:38
  18 minutes. What do you reckon?
• 1:22:40
  I haven't a clue. 25I. Don't know.
• 1:22:47
  You put in a calculator, I'll work it out.
• 1:22:49
  You do whilst I'm speaking. Yeah, For For.
• 1:22:51
  Interest. But yeah, so say if Owen had run
• 1:22:55
  18 minute 5K and I had run a 3 hour marathon, if they were
• 1:22:59
  deemed like similar, I reckon on the whole I would be looked at
• 1:23:04
  as the better runner because I'd run the longer distance.
• 1:23:09
  Whereas the 18 minute 5K is still like equally as good of an
• 1:23:14
  achievement. But kind of because it's not as
• 1:23:16
  long of a distance, people overlook it a little bit.
• 1:23:19
  And the more common thing now is like people getting into
• 1:23:23
  running. It's just like, Oh well, when
• 1:23:24
  are you going to do a marathon? When are you going to do a
• 1:23:26
  marathon? Like people are overlooking run
• 1:23:29
  fast 5 and 10 KS. But yeah, I don't know.
• 1:23:33
  What were your thoughts? I totally agree.
• 1:23:35
  Like as soon as you start. Running, you start training for
• 1:23:38
  1/2 or a full marathon and like realistically, if you're trying
• 1:23:41
  to be a good runner, it's not the best way to go about it.
• 1:23:45
  Like like Liam said, like there's different energy systems
• 1:23:48
  and with the marathon, it's a lot of slow, monotonous miles
• 1:23:53
  where you're not really working on your sort of speed.
• 1:23:57
  Whereas if you worked on your speed first, you're just going
• 1:24:01
  to run a faster marathon long term.
• 1:24:03
  Like people just think of short term things where as if you're
• 1:24:08
  starting at running and you want to run a fast marathon, you
• 1:24:10
  should work on your speed first because the faster you get, the
• 1:24:14
  easier your marathon pace is going to feel.
• 1:24:16
  So yeah, for anyone starting running, you like work on your
• 1:24:21
  speed first. Like you can't just look at that
• 1:24:24
  like short term, like running is a long term game.
• 1:24:27
  Unfortunately you don't get magically good immediately.
• 1:24:30
  And so yeah, I actually respect people like.
• 1:24:34
  Yourself, though, and you haven't run a marathon, but I
• 1:24:36
  think it's good that, like, you kind of resist temptation to get
• 1:24:41
  caught up in like all the whirlwind of like hysteria about
• 1:24:45
  running marathons and stuff. And it's a deliberate approach.
• 1:24:49
  And I know there's a few other people out there as well.
• 1:24:51
  Don't think Liam has run a marathon.
• 1:24:53
  Yes. And there's obviously method,
• 1:24:56
  not to the madness, but there's a methodology behind it.
• 1:25:00
  So yeah, I think it's commendable.
• 1:25:02
  I feel like you're doing yourself an injustice of like.
• 1:25:05
  Like I'm not going to reach my full potential if I ran a
• 1:25:07
  marathon there next week. Like I could easily just do the
• 1:25:09
  marathon and run. I don't know why I'd run, but I
• 1:25:13
  know if I work on my speed and not a bit longer, I'm going to
• 1:25:17
  debut. My debut marathon is going to be
• 1:25:19
  a lot better. Yeah.
• 1:25:19
  So yeah, think long term I guess the the three hour example.
• 1:25:25
  I was trying to give. Might make more sense if I talk
• 1:25:27
  about myself, like if we take my marathon time of 227 high and
• 1:25:33
  whatever that equates to for 5K, it's probably around 50 and low,
• 1:25:37
  which is what I've run. But if I told someone both those
• 1:25:41
  times that the if you took a survey of 100 people, they'd
• 1:25:45
  probably be more impressed with the marathon time because it's
• 1:25:48
  like, wow, you've run a marathon in under 2 1/2 hours.
• 1:25:51
  But the 5K is almost like lost on people a little.
• 1:25:55
  I don't know. But Ryan, didn't you start out
• 1:25:57
  Was your very first race A? Marathon.
• 1:25:59
  Yeah. And what did you run 240?
• 1:26:02
  5. Yeah, and now you're.
• 1:26:04
  Working on your speed and now you're down.
• 1:26:05
  To sub 2:30. So for example, did you manage
• 1:26:09
  to get an answer? Yeah, I was trying to throw your
• 1:26:12
  times in there to. Work that out as well, but he's
• 1:26:15
  looking at the odds on the best for.
• 1:26:17
  The women's marathon. Oh actually just ran out of
• 1:26:20
  money in my offset but. No, a three hour marathon
• 1:26:26
  equates to 480 points on the I double AF calculator and the
• 1:26:31
  same number of points for 5000 meters.
• 1:26:34
  This is for a man. For a man it would be different
• 1:26:38
  I think if you put in man or woman.
• 1:26:42
  Was 17 O 4 for 5K. So I was quite a bit off, maybe
• 1:26:52
  picking up Liam's points that people are just just disrespect,
• 1:26:55
  overplaying the marathon times, disrespecting the speed.
• 1:26:58
  But yeah, I, I don't know, like there was a period of time I
• 1:27:01
  remember running, say 10 years ago and the marathon was seen as
• 1:27:06
  something you just did when you got slow and you weren't like it
• 1:27:10
  wasn't seen that favourably. It was marathons weren't that
• 1:27:14
  popular. They were sort of seen a little
• 1:27:16
  bit like how some of like how some Rd. runners might see like
• 1:27:19
  trails and ultra runs, like they were sort of not really a thing
• 1:27:21
  you could race and not that popular a choice like like a
• 1:27:27
  runner would run a, a, a, a track race or a shorter road
• 1:27:31
  race because they were runners. And then if you'd more if you
• 1:27:33
  wanted to do something for fun, like marathon running wasn't all
• 1:27:37
  that trendy. To be honest.
• 1:27:38
  It's only like more recently where I think the birth of the
• 1:27:41
  Super shoe and as training methods have evolved and you can
• 1:27:44
  recover from them and, and train well for them and, and race them
• 1:27:48
  well. Like I think the marathon's
• 1:27:51
  become much more popular. But in terms of, you know, when
• 1:27:56
  we're talking about pinnacle of sport, like, yeah, they
• 1:28:00
  certainly have got more popular. And then just with the regular
• 1:28:03
  punter, like whenever you tell someone you run and if you
• 1:28:06
  hadn't run a marathon, they sort of look at you sideways.
• 1:28:08
  Oh, do you really run them? Like that's but I think that's
• 1:28:12
  always been the case, but that's where maybe the calculator is
• 1:28:16
  good at sort of cutting through some of the noise around optimal
• 1:28:19
  your own personal performances, which is your best, you know,
• 1:28:23
  performance as compared to all of your running.
• 1:28:26
  That's where that's sometimes helpful.
• 1:28:28
  Yeah. I don't know what it is, but the
• 1:28:29
  the running boom has. Obviously clearly had a major
• 1:28:33
  effect on Marathon and people's involvement in it, and it hasn't
• 1:28:37
  quite had the same effect on track.
• 1:28:40
  Like you don't see everyday runners doing track meets.
• 1:28:43
  Yes, maybe that will happen next and then maybe there'll be more
• 1:28:47
  respect put on Fast 5 and 10 KS. Actually, we're guiding Double
• 1:28:52
  Trouble. I asked Andrew for a double
• 1:28:55
  trouble and he gave me a very, very controversial 1.
• 1:28:59
  So Oh yeah, wait for that one. Wait for that 10.
• 1:29:04
  He reveals it in the interview. Yes, yes.
• 1:29:07
  Well, it it's not. I'm crazy, but I didn't.
• 1:29:10
  I didn't expect a comment. It's a good show.
• 1:29:13
  Yeah, that play. But I think in terms of.
• 1:29:16
  I think generally like agree with the sentiment that as you
• 1:29:19
  sort of go up in distance, you, you know, that that sort of
• 1:29:21
  ability to suffer, like, you know, those track sessions where
• 1:29:24
  you you're on your haunches and really trying to put in like, I
• 1:29:28
  agree with that sort of notion. But I think if you're trying to
• 1:29:31
  master the distances like Cam Levins mentioned, you know, like
• 1:29:37
  the difference between suffering for 800 meters versus marathon
• 1:29:40
  in terms of his experience, he finds those marathons when they
• 1:29:43
  don't go to plan, they're not whilst he's gone up in distance.
• 1:29:46
  That's not that's not an easy feat either.
• 1:29:48
  So I think it's like a like a mix, You know, it's sort of, I
• 1:29:53
  did think before none of us backed Cam.
• 1:29:55
  To get the sneaky bronze, did we pair of shoes on the line?
• 1:29:58
  No, no, no. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:30:06
  It's probably a fair shout. It's probably pretty open.
• 1:30:09
  Was he on the list? Did you put him on the?
• 1:30:10
  He's on the list? Yeah, he's on the Yeah, I missed
• 1:30:12
  that. I mean, I put him. 2nd I mean
• 1:30:19
  it'd be pretty tough give him where he's come, where he's come
• 1:30:23
  from. I mean he is 4th from the last
• 1:30:25
  World champs which is probably fair to mention now.
• 1:30:29
  Hopefully we've got some new Canadian and American listeners
• 1:30:32
  given the the interest in that interview.
• 1:30:35
  We definitely had more from that demographic.
• 1:30:37
  So if you are tuned in from there, thanks for sticking
• 1:30:40
  around and putting your trust in us.
• 1:30:42
  But I'm sorry that we didn't put our trust in Cam.
• 1:30:45
  I'll put him in fourth. Definitely.
• 1:30:47
  He was, he was a solid 4th. Him and Clayton Young, we're in
• 1:30:49
  the shortlist there. You go, but then we were saying
• 1:30:53
  that. Mance.
• 1:30:54
  Right might. Run 2 seconds faster than the
• 1:30:56
  American record and take it off him.
• 1:30:58
  Here. We've got some editing to do.
• 1:30:59
  I think we'll we'll settle on a one second.
• 1:31:02
  Mance beating the American record by one second and Cam
• 1:31:05
  holding the North American 20537.
• 1:31:09
  Perfect. Put it into the ether.
• 1:31:12
  Where is. Mance running Chicago.
• 1:31:15
  Oh, that's where. Kip them set.
• 1:31:17
  Their record as well, wasn't it? Oh shit, yeah, he'll probably
• 1:31:21
  take it down unfortunately, although they're obviously two
• 1:31:24
  complete different athletes. Maybe Clayton's performance next
• 1:31:28
  week might give us an indication of kind of, well, I mean,
• 1:31:31
  Mansa's 20K gave us an indication, but you know, they
• 1:31:34
  usually seem to go hand in hand with the performances, don't
• 1:31:37
  they? Actually I found it weird that.
• 1:31:41
  Clayton Young released a video and Connor Mans wasn't in it at
• 1:31:44
  all. So could Conor Mance be injured?
• 1:31:47
  Well, that race was last. Monday maybe, or Sunday, but
• 1:31:52
  maybe Clayton's video is from this week, or Clayton's project
• 1:31:56
  might have been in been in YouTube.
• 1:31:58
  Been in Tokyo for a little while already.
• 1:32:00
  I feel like I've got to put Cam in.
• 1:32:03
  Changing my, changing my tip. You're right, we'll be off.
• 1:32:08
  We're off brand, so Tedessa's out.
• 1:32:14
  Mr. Tequila's gone. Cam Levins.
• 1:32:16
  So there we go. Where's Cam Levins First?
• 1:32:18
  No bronze. Bronze You.
• 1:32:21
  Don't believe in them, put them second.
• 1:32:31
  Oh, all right. Silver, silver and then galette
• 1:32:35
  for bronze. If you're if you're probably
• 1:32:37
  second like, you may as well on 1st.
• 1:32:38
  Time there I mean. I mean, I'm, I'm confident I'll
• 1:32:44
  still be ahead of you. Go on golf.
• 1:32:48
  That's. It all these.
• 1:32:49
  Irish have done heat training over here.
• 1:32:51
  So this Irish heat wave, I will never speak.
• 1:32:55
  I'll of the Irish heat wave again, if your if your tips come
• 1:32:58
  to fruition, let it let it be known.
• 1:33:01
  I'll go Cam first, the gay second, Galetta 3rd.
• 1:33:06
  That's that's the revised tips, half, half of those Irish
• 1:33:10
  athletes. Would have fallen under the
• 1:33:12
  other police messages to specify if it wasn't for you, Owen.
• 1:33:19
  Bet 365 No, I'm not Connor Mance is not injured.
• 1:33:26
  He's just run. 209 kilometers this week.
• 1:33:29
  So yeah, he's on one, and quickly is it worth saying?
• 1:33:34
  Anything on training weeks I can I can give a 2 minute I mean
• 1:33:38
  I've. As per advice, I've not done any
• 1:33:41
  running so I dusted off houses, bike, dusted off houses, lycra
• 1:33:47
  and pedaled into work a few times this week.
• 1:33:51
  So not running has turned you into.
• 1:33:53
  A cross dresser. No, no, I wouldn't say turn me
• 1:33:58
  into. I mean, I'll just put it back
• 1:34:00
  on. But yeah.
• 1:34:05
  No, I can't even find so my bikes I need to take and get
• 1:34:10
  service. So in the meantime I run houses
• 1:34:12
  and I'm not sure I have bibniks and bits and pieces somewhere,
• 1:34:16
  but I want the extra padding on my bum because that's the area
• 1:34:21
  that's a bit sore. But yeah, rode a few times, swam
• 1:34:23
  this morning, did a couple of KS in the pool.
• 1:34:25
  Where did you swim? BD Park.
• 1:34:29
  Oh yeah. Not in the ocean.
• 1:34:31
  Get eaten. I was in Scarborough pool this
• 1:34:33
  morning. We should.
• 1:34:34
  We could. Have arranged this well.
• 1:34:37
  God that's a sad sight. Fuck if we start.
• 1:34:39
  Riding and swimming together. Oh dear, What's happened?
• 1:34:44
  A gym three times this week and I think I staunted four or five
• 1:34:47
  nights, so that's the end of me. How is the mental side of
• 1:34:52
  things? With not running for a week, we
• 1:34:55
  have more time and energy. I'm probably more pleasant.
• 1:34:57
  Generally, apart from the fact that I'm cranky, I'm not running
• 1:35:00
  so. But no, I'm all fine.
• 1:35:02
  Like life goes on. So if I'm still doing this for a
• 1:35:06
  period of time I think I'll be getting annoyed, but right now
• 1:35:09
  it's fine. And how is cycling on the bike
• 1:35:12
  path? As opposed to running, I find
• 1:35:14
  you just want to race everyone you know their.
• 1:35:16
  Commuter races, like someone comes past you, you just want to
• 1:35:20
  jump on their wheel. And then yeah, which is probably
• 1:35:23
  not great given I'm a bit uncomfortable in the Gooch area,
• 1:35:27
  but yeah, that's what's happening.
• 1:35:29
  And is there any pain when you're cycling?
• 1:35:30
  No, no. Other than like a bit of disc
• 1:35:33
  just from. Sitting in the saddle, but the
• 1:35:35
  actual peddling? No, no.
• 1:35:37
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:35:39
  And similar with swimming today, sort of.
• 1:35:41
  No real discomfort, so that's good.
• 1:35:43
  But I do feel a little bit still walking around and I've got I've
• 1:35:47
  tried to test it when I shouldn't be and it doesn't feel
• 1:35:50
  great. So unscan tomorrow get a scan.
• 1:35:52
  I'll scan OK when. You say?
• 1:35:53
  Couple of K's in the. Pool as well what what you're.
• 1:35:56
  Talking there, 2K40 laps, 40 laps.
• 1:36:00
  Yeah, I was coming. Out of the pool a few weeks.
• 1:36:02
  Ago and bumped into Luke Bait. He'd just been for a swim.
• 1:36:04
  I didn't see him in there. I'd done AK and I was almost
• 1:36:09
  sinking. Felt like I'd had a good way.
• 1:36:11
  I was and I was like to Luke also.
• 1:36:14
  What have you just done then? And he's like 06 K, like some
• 1:36:18
  intervals and stuff. And I just couldn't get my head
• 1:36:20
  around it. 6K in the water. Yeah, yeah, that'd be doing.
• 1:36:25
  What, 4K an hour at least. So yeah, an hour and a half
• 1:36:29
  hour. An hour and a half.
• 1:36:30
  Have you Aqua jogged? I have.
• 1:36:33
  In the past. I got a belt that's good.
• 1:36:36
  I just don't want to. Yeah.
• 1:36:39
  Look, there may come a time, let's call it next week, where I
• 1:36:43
  have to consider that. But yeah, I have, I have.
• 1:36:47
  I 20/20/17 I Aqua jogged for a bit, I pinged my calf a couple
• 1:36:51
  of times, got a belt and yeah, we'd run in the deep pool.
• 1:36:55
  So I have done it before, but only short bursts.
• 1:37:00
  Did you do that when you had a stressy?
• 1:37:02
  Yeah, when I was injured in Brisbane, I.
• 1:37:04
  Am a genie, Mac. I must have went like to seven
• 1:37:07
  or eight pools looking for one that was deep enough.
• 1:37:09
  Yeah. And then I actually found one
• 1:37:10
  and it was like 40 minutes away. So in the mornings I'd go there,
• 1:37:14
  Aqua jog before, and then in the evening I could jog again.
• 1:37:18
  Painful. And I wouldn't wish it on my
• 1:37:19
  worst enemy. What's the closest thing to
• 1:37:21
  running you can do without actually running?
• 1:37:23
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 1:37:25
  Do you physically? Move and like.
• 1:37:27
  Forwards, yeah, you run super slow daily.
• 1:37:31
  Super super super slow. I just wanted not to like, it's
• 1:37:34
  that pubic. Area like movement in there.
• 1:37:37
  I didn't want to. Like I've got the, I've got a
• 1:37:40
  belt. I could do it, but I just don't
• 1:37:41
  want to irritate the area if I can do other things for now.
• 1:37:46
  Wait. Wait till you get the scan
• 1:37:47
  results, yeah. Exactly.
• 1:37:49
  How about you guys? So I had my down.
• 1:37:52
  Week. So I jogged 30 minutes really
• 1:37:55
  easy. Monday morning, I jogged 30
• 1:37:58
  minutes, really easy Thursday. Then Friday I was meant to have
• 1:38:02
  rest, but my brother, he's sort of on the comeback train as
• 1:38:04
  well, so I jogged with him for 30 minutes.
• 1:38:07
  Saturday I jogged for 45 minutes and then this morning I jogged.
• 1:38:11
  So I'm sort of like like next week's a full week.
• 1:38:14
  So I don't 60 minutes over hills this morning, just getting the
• 1:38:17
  legs, starting to condition them again for the hilly Irish cross
• 1:38:21
  country that's ahead of me. So yeah, feeling all right.
• 1:38:24
  I'm just ready to sort of really eager to get back into it now
• 1:38:27
  next week. I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:38:29
  Treadmill should come as well next week, so I'll keep everyone
• 1:38:32
  in the clubhouse updated on that.
• 1:38:33
  That'll be fun. Tighten times with the treadmill
• 1:38:36
  arriving. Ahead of a long winter, Yeah.
• 1:38:40
  Can't wait. We might have to.
• 1:38:42
  Ban the weather talk on here because like.
• 1:38:43
  Usually in like the UK and Ireland you could just get your
• 1:38:47
  head down and forget that like Australia and stuff exists, but
• 1:38:50
  you're going to have to listen to me and Dean talking about
• 1:38:52
  summer every week. I know it's you'll be
• 1:38:56
  complaining about the heat. From Scarborough beach, pull the
• 1:38:59
  way we're going, but anyway. I I won't talk about a training
• 1:39:03
  week formally. But I did get into a couple more
• 1:39:06
  races on the bike this week. One of them was like legit as
• 1:39:09
  well. You know, sometimes you think
• 1:39:12
  even when you're running as well, you think or maybe like
• 1:39:15
  the competition is just in my head, Like do you think this
• 1:39:17
  other person knows I'm like about to drop them or like
• 1:39:20
  trying to chase them or anything like that?
• 1:39:22
  This guy went past me at like a decently faster speed than I,
• 1:39:28
  but I'd got on his wheel straight away and he looked over
• 1:39:31
  his shoulder so he knew I was there.
• 1:39:33
  And he kept, he was like in all the lycra clipping shoes and
• 1:39:36
  everything. And he kept putting these mad
• 1:39:38
  surges in and it was, it was like so much fun, but it was so
• 1:39:42
  hard to stay with him. And then we got like, is that
• 1:39:45
  not mad awkward a little bit? Like every surge you would do
• 1:39:49
  like. You'd see his cadence like
• 1:39:50
  rapidly increase and then he'd he'd check his shoulder to see
• 1:39:54
  if I was still there and then. Eventually I went back past him.
• 1:40:00
  After he'd done all the surges, as if to say, like, I'm still,
• 1:40:04
  I'm still here, this is my time to try and drop you.
• 1:40:07
  And I couldn't. And then he went back past me.
• 1:40:09
  So I guess he won. Yeah.
• 1:40:12
  Rode behind a few guys. For 80% of the way home the
• 1:40:15
  other night. And then, yeah, made a move over
• 1:40:18
  a bit of a hill because I'm powered away.
• 1:40:20
  I'm a bit lighter than a lot of them.
• 1:40:21
  And then you, you know, you're away for about two minutes and
• 1:40:24
  then you see your legs start to gas because you just don't have
• 1:40:26
  the conditioning. So aerobically, I feel all
• 1:40:28
  right, but my legs are just turning to Jelly.
• 1:40:30
  And you just, it's a matter of pride.
• 1:40:32
  You just have to sort of just pretend like it's fine.
• 1:40:34
  You're trying to keep them at Bay.
• 1:40:36
  And do you really need to be doing that?
• 1:40:38
  I don't know. Anyway, we can't help it when
• 1:40:42
  you're in it. Quads are smashed.
• 1:40:44
  Yeah, Silver. Lining it's some strengthening
• 1:40:47
  you wouldn't otherwise get in your quad muscles.
• 1:40:49
  Exactly. I think that's.
• 1:40:52
  Still gone. We got the F1 to get to what's
• 1:40:55
  left. Owen where?
• 1:40:58
  Where is it up to? I'm not even.
• 1:41:00
  I didn't. Even know it was on I forgot
• 1:41:01
  mine's is on this. Weekend, there we go.
• 1:41:03
  I have to go to a BBQ even though it's BBQ.
• 1:41:08
  It's not the Aussie type of BBQ, Yeah.
• 1:41:10
  It's an Irish BBQ. What?
• 1:41:12
  What do you? What do you put on it?
• 1:41:15
  I don't know, I'm just going to, I'm just going to steal the
• 1:41:17
  food. All right lads, well, next time
• 1:41:19
  we do this we'll have. Some world championship medalist
• 1:41:22
  to talk about I think the women's 10K and maybe the men's
• 1:41:25
  marathon at least would have happened.
• 1:41:28
  So men's marathon, is that the cheat?
• 1:41:31
  It's the 15th. I think we might not quite get
• 1:41:34
  there. Yeah, I think we'd be just shy,
• 1:41:38
  I think. Oh, maybe you.
• 1:41:39
  Maybe it's the women's. What goes first?
• 1:41:42
  Then I think the women's 10K final is on the first day, and
• 1:41:45
  then maybe the marathon is on the second day.
• 1:41:47
  And what about the 800? The 800 must.
• 1:41:50
  Be early. Yeah, the heats and stuff will
• 1:41:52
  come first. They'll earn it.
• 1:41:53
  We might not get the final in, but yeah, we'll have some
• 1:41:57
  exciting things to talk about and we can see if anyone's got
• 1:42:01
  any, any scores for the medal tables.
• 1:42:04
  But yeah, try and get involved and if you get stuck then just
• 1:42:09
  shoot. Us a message and we'll.
• 1:42:10
  Help you out. Make sure everyone gets their
• 1:42:12
  entries in. Who wants to be involved because
• 1:42:15
  there's no name brand? Pair of shoes on.
• 1:42:17
  The line at the minute, but we'll communicate that
• 1:42:19
  throughout the week as well. All right, Thanks, guys.
• 1:42:22
  Good luck, lad. See you next week.
• 1:42:23
  Ciao, See ya.