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Steve Price | 29 November · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Friday Nights. Steve Price with you
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Speaker 2: on what, by any measure, has been a remarkable closing
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Speaker 2: week in federal politics. Lots of winners and plenty of losers,
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Speaker 2: I think, and some very big gambles that are coming out.
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Speaker 1: Way will work our way through that.
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Speaker 2: On tonight's program, coming up, A dark day to mark
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Speaker 2: in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: It's ten years ago today.
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Speaker 2: That the most despised premiere in Victoria's state history, Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 2: was elected ten years ago. He's gone with his lifetime pension,
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Speaker 2: leaving behind a broken state financially, a raft of expensive,
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Speaker 2: overbudget and late infrastructure programs, and as I'm about to
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Speaker 2: tell you, a dangerous breakdown in social law and order.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to Brad Baton from the state opposition in
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Speaker 2: just one moment. Also tonight, Canberra ran through its world
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Speaker 2: first ban on the under sixteens being able to access
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Speaker 2: a sweam of social media sites like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
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Speaker 2: and TikTok. But and there are big butts here will
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Speaker 2: it work? And why wait until the end of next year?
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Speaker 2: And what does it do to free speech? I'll talk
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Speaker 2: to a tech expert shortly, and if you are the
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Speaker 2: owner of an electric vehicle, what's going to be what's
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Speaker 2: it going to be worth, if anything, as a trade in?
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Speaker 2: And what will a flood of cheap Chinese electric vehicles
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Speaker 2: do to the prestige market? Pull go over will join
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Speaker 2: us to work our way through that. But first up, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm seriously worried about what seems to me to be
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Speaker 2: a breakdown of social order across Australia the like of
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Speaker 2: which I have never experienced in a lifetime spent in
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Speaker 2: the media on radio, writing and newspapers and appearing on television.
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Speaker 2: Now I think I'm exaggerating. Well, let me give you
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Speaker 2: a couple of examples from just this week to add
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Speaker 2: to things like the explosion of anti Semitism, youth crime numbers,
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Speaker 2: gangland wars, biky gangs, infiltrating unions like the CFMEU and
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Speaker 2: the bashings that came.
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Speaker 1: With all of that.
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Speaker 2: Now, these examples I'm about to give you might seem
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Speaker 2: like to many small beer, but I am an advocate
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Speaker 2: of the broken windows serie, where if you don't punish
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Speaker 2: things like graffiti, crime and shoplifting, we open ourselves up
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Speaker 2: to more serious offending. We basically give up now, as
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Speaker 2: I've written in the Herald Sun in Melbourne tomorrow. Just
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Speaker 2: this week eyewitnessed two terrifying retail incidents that put the
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Speaker 2: safety of young women, three of them behind counters, at
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Speaker 2: real risk. First, a Bond's clothing outlet, Inner Melbourne. It
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Speaker 2: was just after ten am Tuesday morning. Moments after the
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Speaker 2: shop opened. The two female shop attendants watched as a
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Speaker 2: man armed with a large bag entered the shop and
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Speaker 2: proceeded to fill it with whatever he could wrench off
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Speaker 2: the shelves, coat hangers and jumpers and T shirts and
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Speaker 2: whatever he could grab. He packed a bag and caltly
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Speaker 2: walked out the shop, knowing he would not be challenged.
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Speaker 2: Why did he know that? Because this has happened in
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Speaker 2: that same store eight times in nine days. The woman
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Speaker 2: behind the countertip. I asked her how often has this happened?
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Speaker 2: She said it's only been one day in the last
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Speaker 2: nine that it's not happened. The rattle manager says she
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Speaker 2: fears for her and her staff's safety and they're unwilling
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Speaker 2: to try and stop the theft for fears what the
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Speaker 2: thief might do. The police were called, did they turn
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Speaker 2: up I don't know. The local police station's about two
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Speaker 2: hundred meters up the road, like New South Wales police.
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Speaker 2: The police said Victoria are in a pay dispute with
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Speaker 2: the government. One hundreds of them today walked off the
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Speaker 2: job in a show of strength. Now police numbers are
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Speaker 2: at record lows and the morale through the floor. They've
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Speaker 2: written all sorts of stuff over their police vehicles. And
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Speaker 2: we move on to the second incident that was even
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Speaker 2: closer to the local police station. This was Wednesday morning
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Speaker 2: a seven eleven shop. One staff member a young girl,
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Speaker 2: and I knew there was trouble because the doors to
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Speaker 2: the seven eleven were locked at seven am. She had
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Speaker 2: to push a button to let me in. Now an
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Speaker 2: important point, I didn't go looking for any of this crime.
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Speaker 2: It's happening every day everywhere in Australia. It's not isolated
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Speaker 2: to Melbourne, not isolated to Sydney, not isolated to Alice
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Speaker 2: Springs or Darwin or Brisbane.
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Speaker 1: It's everywhere.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This time, a drug addled, barefoot woman and her heavily
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Speaker 2: tattooed mate got into this seven eleven about fifteen minutes
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Speaker 2: before I got there. They used a store rubbish bin
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Speaker 2: to empty food items off the shelves into the bind
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Speaker 2: to steel chillingly, and I couldn't believe I was told
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Speaker 2: this chillingly. The woman barefoot, drug addled, fronted the young
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Speaker 2: girl at the counter and said, look, you can't do
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Speaker 2: anything about this, that's the stealing. If you do, I'll
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Speaker 2: come back with an She then ran her finger across
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Speaker 2: the throat. Yes, drug addled and crazy, but would you
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Speaker 2: take that risk?
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Speaker 1: Would any of us?
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Speaker 4: So?
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Speaker 2: What's happened to our country? They happy, go lucky Australia
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Speaker 2: we grew up in. Is it social media? Maybe the
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Speaker 2: easy access to mind altering drugs, the lack of police
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Speaker 2: we'k left politicians who urge magistrates not to put teenagers
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Speaker 2: in jail?
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Speaker 1: Or is it all of the above? Again?
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Speaker 2: Today, as I stepped over homeless people sleeping in vacant
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Speaker 2: shop fronts and beggars asking for cash, I thought, how
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Speaker 2: did this happen to our Australia? Who turned a blind eye?
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Speaker 2: And is there any will in any political party anywhere
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Speaker 2: to make a serious effort to clean it up? Joining
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Speaker 2: me now is Victoria Shadow Police Minister Brad Baton. Brad,
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Speaker 2: you heard what I've just outlined you can read it tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: You're an ex police officer yourself. Where have we gone
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Speaker 2: so wrong?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, good evening, Steve.
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Speaker 6: As you said before too, today marks ten years since
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Speaker 6: the Allen Labor government were elected. That's ten years where
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Speaker 6: crime rates have continued to increase. You know, we're now
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Speaker 6: sitting an eighteen percent increase in aggravated burglaries across Victoria.
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Speaker 6: We've seen less police with a thousand vacancies on the rosters.
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Speaker 6: We've got police stations closed, forty three of them at
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Speaker 6: a time, sometimes more. We've got seven hundred people on
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Speaker 6: leave from the Victoria Police at a time with mental
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Speaker 6: health or other issues, long term illnesses. This is all
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Speaker 6: increasing the crime across the state because people can get
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Speaker 6: away with it. And the one you said there, we
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Speaker 6: were talking about in Malvin in Paran and some of
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Speaker 6: the crimes that are happening down there. You couldn't actually
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Speaker 6: bet on this unless you saw a photo. You have
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Speaker 6: to see a photo to believe this. There was a
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Speaker 6: sign on the Maulven police station that was shut They
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Speaker 6: were closed down because they had a lack of staff.
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Speaker 5: It said go to Paran. When you went to Paran.
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Speaker 6: There was a sign at the Parana police station that
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Speaker 6: said sorry, we're shut, go to Malvern, so you actually
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Speaker 6: could go between the two stations and there was no
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Speaker 6: staff available. Now that's not the police fault, they just
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Speaker 6: don't have the numbers to open those stations, and that's
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Speaker 6: a real concern for victims who need to go to
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Speaker 6: the police stations to get support. We've even seen one
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Speaker 6: case with a station shut and the young person who
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Speaker 6: went there was being chased by an ex boyfriend was
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Speaker 6: assaulted at the police station. That's why people are getting
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Speaker 6: away with the crimes here in Victoria because they haven't
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Speaker 6: got the police numbers. And even when they do catch
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Speaker 6: and we saw one the other day, a fiftieth count
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Speaker 6: of bail here in Victoria. Of course, people are happy
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Speaker 6: to commit crime. They keep getting away with it.
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Speaker 2: I'm older than you, but you've been around a while
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Speaker 2: as well. I mean, when do we get to the
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Speaker 2: point where people can actually feel they can actually walk
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Speaker 2: into a store. And I've got hundreds of other examples.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you've got major bottle shops now
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Speaker 2: locking up expensive liquor behind glass cabinets. You've got security
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Speaker 2: guards in bottle shops, you've got bars on windows. When
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Speaker 2: did we get to the point where people believe that
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Speaker 2: they can just commit crime walk out with that. They
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Speaker 2: don't run, They don't run, Brad, They just wander out
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Speaker 2: after stealing stuff out of a shop. When did we
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Speaker 2: get to that point?
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Speaker 6: It's when governments continue to change policies around things like
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Speaker 6: bail and say that if you go into the court
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Speaker 6: system for committing a crime, then the expectation of the
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Speaker 6: courts is to give you bail as the priority and
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Speaker 6: only remind you in exceptional circumstances. Well, when that message
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Speaker 6: gets out there, whether it's young people or older people
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Speaker 6: committing those crimes, they continuously know they're going to get.
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Speaker 5: Away with it.
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Speaker 6: It'd be very interesting to see what happens now up
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Speaker 6: in Queensland under the David Christa fully changes where he's
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Speaker 6: going to strengthen bail and bring in a lot tougher
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Speaker 6: sentencing for people across the state, and to see the
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Speaker 6: change there. And in Victoria we've got the opposite with
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Speaker 6: our government where everything seems to go in favor of
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Speaker 6: the offender and everybody forgets the victims. And the victims
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Speaker 6: are who you said today, Steve, people just going to work.
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Speaker 6: If we can't protect people who are just going to work,
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Speaker 6: to do their job, to pay their rent, just to
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Speaker 6: get buy in life, and we can't protect them in
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Speaker 6: our community, or we're sending a messages okay to stand
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Speaker 6: over them to steal things. And that is not good
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Speaker 6: enough and the government needs to start changing their policy
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Speaker 6: direction to ensure we've got the police numbers and the
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Speaker 6: court action so you can feel safe at work all
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Speaker 6: the time.
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Speaker 5: Every time.
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Speaker 2: Speaking about police numbers, I mean, you wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 2: if a lot of Victorian police are thinking about moving
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Speaker 2: to New South Wales. New South Wales government did a
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Speaker 2: massive pay deal with the New South Wales Police Force
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Speaker 2: announced early this week or late last week. Today we've
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Speaker 2: got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Victoria police walked
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Speaker 2: off the job. They protested outside police headquarters. They're protesting
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Speaker 2: toward their own bosses. Police vehicles in Melbourne are daubed
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Speaker 2: with messages about how over time they're not being paid for.
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Speaker 2: Their rosters are out of control, they don't feel safe,
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Speaker 2: they haven't got the decent equipment. I mean, how can
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Speaker 2: this pay deal have gone on this long with a
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Speaker 2: group of Australians that we are we asked to protect us?
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Speaker 5: I think it was.
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Speaker 6: I went to the walkout today and spoke to many
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Speaker 6: of the police there and it was described perfect. They
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Speaker 6: have the courage to go to the events that all
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Speaker 6: of us run away from, and their own government doesn't
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Speaker 6: have the courage to sit across a table and look
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Speaker 6: at him in the eye and talk about their pay
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Speaker 6: and to ensure they can get a fair day's pay.
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Speaker 5: To get more police in there.
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Speaker 6: But what's actually worse, Steves, Whilst we're standing there and
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Speaker 6: doing that message and discussing this with the Victoria police
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Speaker 6: officers who work so hard. The tram went past and
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Speaker 6: on that tram is an ad to go and join
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Speaker 6: the Queensland Police. So in Victoria we're advertising at the
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Speaker 6: moment on Melbourne trams that Queensland Police are recruiting and
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Speaker 6: that's the place to go. We lose more police every fortnight,
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Speaker 6: more years experience than we're currently recruiting, and that's why
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Speaker 6: we've got over a thousand vacancies and they're leaving because
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Speaker 6: they don't think the government respect them. The government said specifically,
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Speaker 6: when the Treasurer spoke about the pay rises, will they said,
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Speaker 6: will you be able to find the money if Fair
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Speaker 6: Work Commission forces you to pay them, And he said,
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Speaker 6: if they forced me to pay them, I will. The
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Speaker 6: Treasurer should be saying no, I'm paying them because they're
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Speaker 6: going out and protecting us and exactly described today. They've
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Speaker 6: had things thrown at them that you would not want
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Speaker 6: thrown at anyone in our community. At these protests in Melbourne.
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Speaker 6: We've got people on the street that are just dirt bags.
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Speaker 6: The way they treat the Victoria police, it's about time
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Speaker 6: the government show the respect and at least sit at
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Speaker 6: the table, go through the negotiations and find out what
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Speaker 6: is the best outcome to ensure we keep the experience
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Speaker 6: we've got, recruit new police so we can get police
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Speaker 6: on the street and start to clean up Melbourne how
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Speaker 6: it should be.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to lose a lot of police if
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Speaker 2: we don't do that. Look, I didn't think anything can
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Speaker 2: get worse in Victoria. When The Herald's unbroke a story
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Speaker 2: this week about a convicted murderer stabbed to death her
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Speaker 2: housemate in front of the housemate's four year old over
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Speaker 2: a fifty dollars note, stab the person to death and
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Speaker 2: serving a lengthy jail, term as she should be, but
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Speaker 2: has applied to have IVF and the prison system is.
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Speaker 1: Going to allow this to happen.
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Speaker 2: And if she's successful in IVF, any child born to
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Speaker 2: her would spend five years in jail with her, which
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Speaker 2: you shake your head and just go I mean, surely
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Speaker 2: that can't be right. Today we have the mother of
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Speaker 2: this convicted murderer, Alisha Schiller. She says she doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to raise any child born as a result of her daughter,
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Speaker 2: and it comes after Silla told authorities the child could
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Speaker 2: live with her mother once it turned five. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what the hell is going on here?
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Speaker 5: This is a system that is broken.
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Speaker 6: And as I said, I know we say that the
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Speaker 6: corrections have allowed this.
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Speaker 5: It's allowed because legislation allows this.
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Speaker 6: And the Allen Labor government was so weak they came
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Speaker 6: out and referred to a decision back in twenty ten
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Speaker 6: which said a person who was in there for welfare
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Speaker 6: fraud was allowed to continue her IVF treatment because she'd
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Speaker 6: already started it prior to going into jail. But now
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Speaker 6: we're talking about someone who has stabbed a mother of
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Speaker 6: three to death in her own bed, who's been in
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Speaker 6: the prison system since twenty fourteen, is now asking for
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Speaker 6: access to have a child of her own. What she
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Speaker 6: stole from those kids as is that motherhood she now
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Speaker 6: wants to gain herself. It is a disgrace. We moved
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Speaker 6: legislation this week in Parliament to stop this, and the
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Speaker 6: Allen Labor government didn't just vote it down. They voted
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Speaker 6: to not even have the debate on this. So we
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Speaker 6: could put it on the record to let every person
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Speaker 6: in this community know we would never stand for this.
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Speaker 6: We would introduce legislation so no one can commence IVF
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Speaker 6: treatment whilst they're in the prison system here in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned that today March ten years since Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 2: was elected. Now just Cinda Allen's a premier. That's ten
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Speaker 2: years that you guys have been in opposition. Are you
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Speaker 2: any closer to getting your act together so that Victorians
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Speaker 2: have a viable alternative to vote for, so that someone
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Speaker 2: can end this ten year reign of labor which has
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Speaker 2: basically sent the state broke. I've talked about the social
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Speaker 2: price that we're paying for that. You've got infrastructure projects
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Speaker 2: over budget and out of time, they're never going to
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Speaker 2: be finished. Are you going to get your act together
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Speaker 2: so Victorians have an alternative.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Steve, you're corrected.
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Speaker 6: Ten years since the Allen Labour government effective were elected,
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Speaker 6: she's been in senior management positions, senior minister's positions, deputy leader,
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Speaker 6: as well as now the premier of the state. We
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Speaker 6: are ready to govern, we are ready to move forward,
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Speaker 6: and we're putting our policies forward and we've started with
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Speaker 6: some of the discussions around tax John Pursudo and the
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Speaker 6: team are starting to gather momentum. We are working behind
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Speaker 6: the scenes. There's still two years to go to that election.
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Speaker 6: I will guarantee Victorians we're going to put forward a
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Speaker 6: very strong plan to ensure that you know, and your
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Speaker 6: watches and viewers at home across all of Victoria, we
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Speaker 6: will be ready to govern to ensure that we can
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Speaker 6: keep Victoria safe. That we will make sure our taxes
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Speaker 6: are in the best position to create investment, that people
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Speaker 6: who already invest in this state, whether it's through an investment,
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Speaker 6: property or anything else that's assisting with their retirement. We're
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Speaker 6: not going to chase every dollar day earn. We want
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Speaker 6: them to put it in their pocket so they can
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Speaker 6: not be a burden on the tax system in the future.
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Speaker 6: We are ready, Steve, I assure you our plans are
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Speaker 6: coming forward. We're in a great position, but we must
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Speaker 6: remind Victorians we've got Justinta Allen, who has been at
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Speaker 6: the realm for effectively ten years of the worst government.
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Speaker 6: People need to realize now and start to look at
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Speaker 6: us as an alternative. And we're getting ready to fire
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Speaker 6: that up, and I'm sure in November twenty six Victorians
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Speaker 6: will have a genuine alternative they can vote for.
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Speaker 1: It's a long time to wait.
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Speaker 2: Just before you go, I mean, obviously you're going to
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Speaker 2: inherit world record debt level, so I mean Victoria's debt
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Speaker 2: is just out of control. The ratings agencies are talking
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Speaker 2: about downgrades. I think we're paying somewhere around twenty six
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Speaker 2: million dollars a day in interest alone. You've got to
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Speaker 2: inherit that you're not going to be able to make
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Speaker 2: a bunch of promises in the lead up to an
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Speaker 2: election and then deliver a whole package of you these
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Speaker 2: are wonderful things, are you?
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Speaker 6: No, We're going to be going to the election with
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Speaker 6: what is right for Victorians, and we're going to have
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Speaker 6: a look at how we can control the waste that's
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Speaker 6: been happening and continues to happen in this government.
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Speaker 5: We're going to look at those taxes because if.
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Speaker 6: We create more investment, more private investment, more private jobs,
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Speaker 6: we also know that creates a greater return for government.
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Speaker 6: We will balance the books to ensure that we can
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Speaker 6: get rid of as much as possible that debt and
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Speaker 6: start to generate a program going forward so we're not
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Speaker 6: paying ridiculous amounts of interest. It's going to take a
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Speaker 6: long road, Steve. We're going to put the plans together
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Speaker 6: for that, and that includes most probably most importantly, is
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Speaker 6: creating that new investment, reviewing those taxes, and making sure
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Speaker 6: that we're really focused on what we can do in there.
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Speaker 6: But the waste forty billion dollars on cost overruns on projects,
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Speaker 6: a liberal government would not do that, would never have
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Speaker 6: done that. And we'll ensure that we do the projects
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Speaker 6: in place at a right cost for Victorian So we
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Speaker 6: will continue to build things, but we'll make sure it's
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Speaker 6: at the right cost because it's your money we're spending,
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Speaker 6: not ours.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's just hope you scrap that stupid suburban rail loop.
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Speaker 2: Brad Baton, thank you very much for your time. Always
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Speaker 2: a pleasure to talk to you on a Friday night. Now,
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Speaker 2: speaking of the madness of the Victorian government even considering
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Speaker 2: allowing a convicted killer to access to IVF. It's now
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Speaker 2: given ideas, it seems, to prisoners around the country. A
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Speaker 2: drug crafficker in Queensland has made an attempt through the
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Speaker 2: courts to have her eggs frozen. Now, of course it's
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Speaker 2: just days after a Victorian prisoner, as we were speaking
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Speaker 2: about there, was given the green light to have IVF
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Speaker 2: and given birth, to give birth in jail. Now joining Mechilmer,
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Speaker 2: Queensland Premier Campbell Newman, the world's gone mad. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've posed a question in a column this weekend. How
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Speaker 2: do we let Australia get to this point where we've
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Speaker 2: got people walking into stores manned by young girls filling
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Speaker 2: their arms up with whatever they can steal it just
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Speaker 2: walking out on the street.
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Speaker 4: We'd start graving bonker stuff. Steve, And you know, I
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Speaker 4: think that the commune he expects prisons to be places
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Speaker 4: where people go to do their time without being able
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Speaker 4: to sort of pop out for a bit of medical
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Speaker 4: treatment that's frankly optional. I mean, in a way I'm
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Speaker 4: sympathetic on the woman in Queensland who wants to freeze
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Speaker 4: the eggs, but because the clock's ticking, when she gets out,
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Speaker 4: she won't be as capable of bearing children. But I mean,
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Speaker 4: she shouldn't have committed the crime she's been convicted of
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Speaker 4: dealing in drugs. And our prisons shouldn't be holiday camps.
18:30
Speaker 4: They shouldn't be places where you sort of get a
18:35
Speaker 4: whole range of other privileges.
18:37
Speaker 3: Now, of course the.
18:38
Speaker 4: Left wing civil libertarian type seem to think that's the case.
18:41
Speaker 4: But hopefully with these sort of cases and a new
18:45
Speaker 4: LMP government and Queensland, that's all going to change.
18:49
Speaker 2: Well, she says the refusal to let her do this
18:53
Speaker 2: as a breach of her human rights. I mean, I'd
18:55
Speaker 2: be saying to her that she's given up her human
18:58
Speaker 2: rights by breaking the law.
19:01
Speaker 3: Absolutely, mate, that's the point.
19:03
Speaker 4: And by the way, you know, I have probably fairly
19:06
Speaker 4: sort of radical views on the war on drugs and
19:09
Speaker 4: drugs etc. And the way you approach that, but that's
19:12
Speaker 4: not the point here. The point is that the laws
19:15
Speaker 4: as they stand were breached by this woman and she's
19:20
Speaker 4: now paying her penance to commit to the community, to society.
19:24
Speaker 3: That's the law.
19:26
Speaker 4: And I don't believe that you get to sort of
19:31
Speaker 4: be involved in an IVF program effectively where you're like
19:34
Speaker 4: to I mean, let's get into what you have to do.
19:36
Speaker 4: I mean she would have to leave prison on a
19:39
Speaker 4: number of occasions after she'd need hormone treatments to stimulate
19:44
Speaker 4: egg production, and I mean she'd be should be on
19:47
Speaker 4: day leave.
19:48
Speaker 3: You and she's been convicted of a serious crime. It's
19:51
Speaker 3: just not on.
19:52
Speaker 4: And your point about what's happened in Victoria is just
19:55
Speaker 4: totally over the top and ridiculous.
19:59
Speaker 2: I don't know if you I heard all the bread
20:00
Speaker 2: Batton's interview there, but Queensland's being a bit cheeky. He
20:04
Speaker 2: was at a massive police walk off the job demonstration
20:08
Speaker 2: today at Victoria Police headquarters. As these hundreds of Victorian
20:12
Speaker 2: police were standing around arguing why they should be paid more,
20:15
Speaker 2: and they should be paid more. Their pay gap is incredible.
20:19
Speaker 2: A tram went past with a sign on it from
20:22
Speaker 2: the Queensland government recruiting police to go to Queensland.
20:28
Speaker 4: Well, I think they'll be treated better up here. Steve
20:31
Speaker 4: so good on David Christal fully his police minister, you know,
20:35
Speaker 4: well we'll take him up here. But we don't, by
20:37
Speaker 4: the way, we don't want Victorian police officers who joyfully
20:42
Speaker 4: engaged in putting down people who were protesting against the
20:47
Speaker 4: outrages of the COVID lockdowns. I hope we're not going
20:49
Speaker 4: to take anyone like that, and I've got to get
20:51
Speaker 4: that in this evening, we're going to take Victorian coppers.
20:57
Speaker 2: Speaking of crime, we went through that election campaign and
21:00
Speaker 2: you and I were supportive of David Chrystif Foley's policy
21:04
Speaker 2: of adult crime, adult time. The only caveat I would
21:08
Speaker 2: have to that was prove it to me, Premier Chruciophiley
21:11
Speaker 2: that it's actually going to go through in legislation and
21:15
Speaker 2: it's going to work. That legislation's gone through, Will he
21:18
Speaker 2: follow through?
21:19
Speaker 1: Do you think.
21:21
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
21:22
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the first few weeks of the
21:25
Speaker 4: Chrystofally administration have been very encouraging. He's doing what he
21:30
Speaker 4: said he would do. He's approaching it with steely, calm determination,
21:36
Speaker 4: and of course the usual suspects in the left of
21:39
Speaker 4: carrying on the Human Rights Commissioning Queensland, a Labor Party appointee,
21:43
Speaker 4: is going off about it all.
21:45
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the community.
21:48
Speaker 4: Voted for this, and I hope the message gets out
21:51
Speaker 4: there amongst the younger people in the community and obviously
21:55
Speaker 4: those who are inclined to criminal activities, that the government's
21:58
Speaker 4: not going to put up with this nonsense anymore and
22:00
Speaker 4: it is going to take steps to protect the community
22:04
Speaker 4: and that deterrent impact.
22:07
Speaker 3: Is really what we're looking for now.
22:09
Speaker 4: At the same time, Chris the Foley is implementing, for
22:13
Speaker 4: the want of the word, they weren't boot camps, so
22:16
Speaker 4: diversionary programs and I think that goes in parallel with it.
22:19
Speaker 4: So I've been quite impressed with what they're doing. They're
22:22
Speaker 4: getting on and as to the people who are the
22:24
Speaker 4: voices against it, they are the same voices who had
22:28
Speaker 4: the year of government for thirty of the last thirty
22:30
Speaker 4: five years in Queensland and the problems we've seen, well,
22:34
Speaker 4: they weren't able to solve them.
22:35
Speaker 3: So it's time for a different approach.
22:38
Speaker 1: Kevin, what you wish for?
22:39
Speaker 2: The roads have been clogged with cars with Victorian number
22:42
Speaker 2: plates on them. Soon let's talk Olympics. I know the
22:44
Speaker 2: Courier Mail today had a major event. I saw the
22:48
Speaker 2: edd of the Courier Mail interviewed on Sky This morning,
22:51
Speaker 2: and they're talking about putting together this group of people
22:54
Speaker 2: to finally try and work out what to do in
22:56
Speaker 2: regard to a stadium. I think a property giant company
22:59
Speaker 2: by the name of is it. Stephan Connery has been
23:02
Speaker 2: selected to lead the final plan for the venues.
23:06
Speaker 1: What do you make of where this is headed?
23:10
Speaker 4: Well, look, this group of seven men and women is
23:13
Speaker 4: an outstanding pick. These people are have serious horsepower. Stephen
23:20
Speaker 4: Conry I should declare as a personal friend of mine.
23:22
Speaker 4: He was the managing director of the Australian operations of
23:26
Speaker 4: the global property giant JLL. But he's joined by Lawrence Lancini,
23:30
Speaker 4: who is a prominent developer in North Queensland, a well
23:34
Speaker 4: respected around the state. You've got Tony Cochran who is
23:39
Speaker 4: well known for the V eight supercars, fantastic operator there.
23:44
Speaker 4: We've got Sue Johnson who was the head of Transurbant.
23:48
Speaker 4: You know, you've got some really good people and I
23:52
Speaker 4: know Stephen.
23:53
Speaker 3: Will be an outstanding chair.
23:54
Speaker 4: And it's now the case we've got grown ups in charge, Steve,
23:58
Speaker 4: and that's what I particularly want to convey this afternoon,
24:01
Speaker 4: that Christoph Foley has got the right people to take
24:05
Speaker 4: this forward. I mean, they're going to have some great challenges.
24:08
Speaker 4: They're now up against it in terms of budget and time.
24:12
Speaker 4: But if anybody can sort out this mess, it's this
24:14
Speaker 4: group of men and women.
24:17
Speaker 1: Have a good weekend, Campbell. I'll talk to you next week.
24:19
Speaker 2: Campbell Newman joining us each Friday night on Steve Price Show.
24:23
Speaker 1: Coming up after the break.
24:24
Speaker 2: Parliament managers, as we know, to pass the Rush Social
24:27
Speaker 2: Media Bill into law. But I've been asking for weeks now,
24:31
Speaker 2: how is this actually going to work?
24:33
Speaker 1: So let's go through the tech of it.
24:34
Speaker 2: Tech expert Tim Stackpole will join us up next.
24:42
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Steve Price.
24:43
Speaker 2: With you just on those two incidents I mentioned at
24:46
Speaker 2: the top of the program, one in a Bond's store
24:49
Speaker 2: and one in a seven to eleven. They happened before
24:52
Speaker 2: I got there. I've been asking myself the question over
24:55
Speaker 2: the past three days. If I'd been there, would I
24:59
Speaker 2: have intervened? And this is the question a lot of
25:01
Speaker 2: people have got to ask themselves. I mean, knife crime
25:04
Speaker 2: is now so common you wonder if you pull someone
25:06
Speaker 2: up who's harassing someone behind a counter at a seven eleven,
25:10
Speaker 2: or if you say to the boat, who's filling the
25:12
Speaker 2: bag up with stolen goods. Come on, mate, you can't
25:15
Speaker 2: be doing that. You've got to pay for it. Look,
25:18
Speaker 2: the staff are being told don't intervene. I mean I
25:20
Speaker 2: know that Woolworths, for example, in their alcohol shops, I
25:24
Speaker 2: have told their staff if someone comes in and grabs
25:26
Speaker 2: two bottles of single malt whiskey and walk out the door,
25:29
Speaker 2: just let them go.
25:30
Speaker 1: And they actually.
25:31
Speaker 2: Budget within their budgets for stolen property. But I just
25:36
Speaker 2: I can't help asking myself the question would I be
25:39
Speaker 2: able to control myself?
25:40
Speaker 1: Would I intervene? And I can't answer. I don't know.
25:43
Speaker 2: Look, the government's passed that controversial social media ban for
25:47
Speaker 2: under sixteen now. Ever since this was announced, I've been
25:50
Speaker 2: asking myself, how can this possibly work? Now the ban
25:54
Speaker 2: and the legislation's gone through the Senate, it won't actually
25:57
Speaker 2: be enacted until the end of next year twenty twenty five,
26:01
Speaker 2: So I'm not quite sure what the twelve months in
26:03
Speaker 2: between is going to entail now, the government says, and
26:07
Speaker 2: I suspect what the Government's done here is they've rushed
26:10
Speaker 2: this through the Senate. It was in those guillotine bills.
26:14
Speaker 2: They've rushed it through so that they can go to
26:15
Speaker 2: an election campaign saying that look, how great are we
26:19
Speaker 2: We're going to look after teenagers. We're going to protect
26:22
Speaker 2: them from social media. We're not going to let them
26:25
Speaker 2: look at pornography. They won't be prayed on, bullied on.
26:28
Speaker 2: But will it actually work now? The ban apparently, and
26:31
Speaker 2: it's got huge reaction around the world today, particularly for
26:34
Speaker 2: the companies themselves and the big companies like Meta. Could
26:38
Speaker 2: we find fifty million dollars if they don't comply? Well,
26:42
Speaker 2: the reaction has been pretty swift and fast, I must say, mate.
26:45
Speaker 2: Headlines right around the world, some good, a lot of
26:47
Speaker 2: it bad. In Britain, the Independent newspaper claim the legislation
26:51
Speaker 2: quote sets Australia up as a test case for a
26:55
Speaker 2: growing number of governments now as you know X formerly
26:59
Speaker 2: Twitter their owner Elon Musk, he blasted the move last week,
27:03
Speaker 2: calling it a quote backdoor way to control access to
27:06
Speaker 2: the Internet by all of us Australians and Google and
27:10
Speaker 2: Meta want the legislation delayed. Well, a government has been
27:14
Speaker 2: slammed for how rush this legislation has actually been. Submissions
27:18
Speaker 2: were only accepted for twenty four hours. Debate on the bill,
27:21
Speaker 2: as we saw yesterday, was delayed until late last night,
27:25
Speaker 2: late Thursday night, I should say, right at the end
27:28
Speaker 2: of the parliamentary year. Now it passed in the early
27:31
Speaker 2: hours of this morning. And unsurprisingly it's also been quite
27:35
Speaker 2: an emotional debate.
27:36
Speaker 1: Now.
27:37
Speaker 2: I filled in for Andrew Bold on the program last
27:39
Speaker 2: night and I spoke to Barnaby Joyce, Fromer National's leader
27:43
Speaker 2: and current Minister for Veterans Affairs. He said, this is
27:49
Speaker 2: what he had to say on it. He was, I thought,
27:52
Speaker 2: quite emotional.
27:53
Speaker 7: Actually, this is about two people, well, one you don't
27:58
Speaker 7: know and one who's your daughter, the person making your
28:03
Speaker 7: daughter squirm, saying that they're fat, that they're ugly, that
28:07
Speaker 7: they should just kill themselves. Now, that's the evil I
28:12
Speaker 7: want to remove. And we have had a young girl
28:15
Speaker 7: very recently in the Western suburbs of Sydney.
28:17
Speaker 1: She's dead.
28:18
Speaker 5: She dead, she killed herself.
28:20
Speaker 8: And that's an example of so many others of this
28:24
Speaker 8: sort of insidious Now, if why not, why do these
28:28
Speaker 8: people not want to fix the problem that they're completely
28:30
Speaker 8: capable of fixing. And then you have to ask the
28:32
Speaker 8: morality of saying, would you make money out of selling
28:35
Speaker 8: methyl aid spirits to an alcoholic? Would you make money
28:39
Speaker 8: out of selling Heroin to an attic. Why do you
28:41
Speaker 8: want to make money when you know some of the
28:44
Speaker 8: souls of that money is the destruction of families and
28:48
Speaker 8: the destruction of individuals.
28:51
Speaker 2: Well, clearly off the back of that, Barnaby voted for
28:54
Speaker 2: the legislative change. There was some within the coalition who
28:57
Speaker 2: crossed the floor and didn't like it. But I'm now
28:59
Speaker 2: interested to know. So how will this social media actually work?
29:02
Speaker 2: How will social media companies actually verify the age of users?
29:07
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not technically at all a student. I
29:10
Speaker 2: can't understand how to work. We're joined now by tech
29:12
Speaker 2: expert Tim Stackpole, the techno Tim, Great to see you again.
29:17
Speaker 2: How's this actually going to I mean, we'll get to
29:19
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty five. We tell all Australian
29:23
Speaker 2: kids and I found out today that even those that
29:26
Speaker 2: have social media accounts today Tim, that would still be
29:29
Speaker 2: under sixteen, at the end of next year, they will
29:32
Speaker 2: be turned off they are able to access those accounts.
29:35
Speaker 2: How's this going to actually happen.
29:39
Speaker 9: There's going to be quite a few months steve of
29:41
Speaker 9: research taking place. There's two companies involved in this, one
29:45
Speaker 9: an Australian company, one a British company known as a
29:48
Speaker 9: Scheme looking into this age verification business. Now, what they'll
29:52
Speaker 9: do between January and March next year is they'll undertake
29:58
Speaker 9: research with about twelve hundred Australians and they'll be looking
30:01
Speaker 9: at different ways of doing the age verification. There are
30:04
Speaker 9: many different ways of doing this tea. We can talk
30:06
Speaker 9: about that in a moment. But the other thing is
30:08
Speaker 9: is that after those first three months, a British company
30:11
Speaker 9: will come in analyze all the data and make a
30:14
Speaker 9: presentation to the government about half way through next year,
30:17
Speaker 9: and then the E Safety Commissioner will then determine whether
30:21
Speaker 9: there's privacy issues which have been raised in looking for
30:26
Speaker 9: the people's age, to determine what the verification is going
30:29
Speaker 9: to be, and if that all gets cleared, then the
30:31
Speaker 9: government will enact it by the end of next year.
30:34
Speaker 9: So it looks as though the social media companies will
30:37
Speaker 9: have about six months from the middle of next year
30:40
Speaker 9: until the end of the year to be able to
30:41
Speaker 9: enact whatever it is for the E Safety Commissioner says
30:45
Speaker 9: is strong enough to actually verify people's ages. Now, the
30:48
Speaker 9: big question is the technical question is how is this
30:51
Speaker 9: going to happen well? We do know that many social
30:53
Speaker 9: media companies now have limits on ages up to the
30:56
Speaker 9: age of thirteen. You aren't allowed to be part of
30:59
Speaker 9: meta of course, that's Facebook and Instagram, and they use
31:03
Speaker 9: various methods. One of course is flicking on the webcam
31:05
Speaker 9: and looking at the user's face, and that uses a
31:09
Speaker 9: system developed by a company called Yochti, and that gets
31:12
Speaker 9: used in various other ways around the world as well.
31:15
Speaker 9: For purchasing alcohol. For instance, at self serve checkouts in
31:18
Speaker 9: many parts of Europe, it takes a look at your
31:20
Speaker 9: face through the webcam built into the automatic cashier and
31:23
Speaker 9: if you do look over the age of eighteen, then
31:27
Speaker 9: you are allowed to proceed with the purchase. So they're
31:29
Speaker 9: going to use that similar sort of technology, they're going
31:31
Speaker 9: to test it anyway. Another way is perhaps if you
31:36
Speaker 9: own a credit card, and of course verification and age
31:39
Speaker 9: verification has taken place previously in order for you to
31:42
Speaker 9: get the credit card. The issue with that is, of course,
31:44
Speaker 9: is there are many people over the age of sixteen
31:46
Speaker 9: who do not have a credit card as well. Looking
31:49
Speaker 9: at email addresses is another way. What is the activity
31:52
Speaker 9: that's been undertaken by the user's email address has been
31:55
Speaker 9: looking up things like pepper pig or por patrol. That's
31:59
Speaker 9: probably a that the person is well under the age
32:01
Speaker 9: of eighteen. And of course the other way is using
32:05
Speaker 9: government issued IDs. Now this is a controversial one, Steve,
32:08
Speaker 9: because we're giving information issued by the government to non
32:12
Speaker 9: government organizations. Now social media companies will not be asking
32:16
Speaker 9: for that information, but third party operations who then tell
32:21
Speaker 9: the media the social media companies that you are over
32:23
Speaker 9: the age of sixteen, they will get that information, but
32:27
Speaker 9: they will be obliged to destroy that information once your
32:30
Speaker 9: age or at least being over the age of sixteen
32:33
Speaker 9: has been verified, Steve. So there's various methods and it
32:36
Speaker 9: could well be that more than one method Steve has
32:39
Speaker 9: to be employed before the age verification goes through.
32:44
Speaker 2: Well Musk says, this is just a backdoor way of
32:49
Speaker 2: Australia limiting what can be published on x Twitter what
32:54
Speaker 2: usually was Twitter. And the critics say this ID that
32:59
Speaker 2: we i'd all have to have could be seen as
33:02
Speaker 2: a trojan horse way of the government having access to
33:06
Speaker 2: our ID through social media having to sign on. So,
33:10
Speaker 2: I mean what the critics are saying is well, everyone
33:12
Speaker 2: then will have to prove they're not under the.
33:14
Speaker 1: Age of sixteen.
33:15
Speaker 2: They're actually over the age of sixteen, and we'll have
33:17
Speaker 2: to do that through some sort of ID.
33:22
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's true, Steve, and certainly even the age that
33:25
Speaker 9: both of us are will have to prove perhaps that
33:28
Speaker 9: we are over the age of sixteen in this case. Look,
33:31
Speaker 9: if we've had a Facebook or an Instagram account for
33:34
Speaker 9: more than or at least seventeen years, it's pretty obvious
33:37
Speaker 9: then that we actually meet the threshold. But of course
33:41
Speaker 9: my GOV would be a purposeful way, an easy way,
33:46
Speaker 9: I guess to verify somebody's age. Now that's not being considered.
33:49
Speaker 9: That's off the table. So it's going to be a
33:51
Speaker 9: third party organization that we may have to upload our
33:55
Speaker 9: driver's license to or our passport front page, to steve
33:59
Speaker 9: the initial pages of a passport in order to verify
34:02
Speaker 9: those details. But companies, the social media companies, will not
34:06
Speaker 9: receive that information. All they will get is the tick
34:08
Speaker 9: of approval from the organization that has received our data. Now,
34:13
Speaker 9: the Australian Human Rights Commission, of course, have said quite
34:15
Speaker 9: a bit about this over the last month in their
34:17
Speaker 9: dispatches Stephen, and they had concerns purely from a human
34:21
Speaker 9: rights position that although we're talking about children here, what
34:24
Speaker 9: we are doing is we're taking away the opportunity to
34:28
Speaker 9: be able to access a service which is ubiquitous to
34:31
Speaker 9: the rest of us. So, even though it is about
34:33
Speaker 9: protect the protection of younger people in our community miners,
34:38
Speaker 9: there still is a rights issue here too, So you
34:41
Speaker 9: are right in saying that it has been pushed through.
34:43
Speaker 9: It has been rushed.
34:45
Speaker 1: The other thing is, Steve.
34:46
Speaker 9: Is that what Elon Musk has said perhaps is not
34:50
Speaker 9: the case because we're not giving our information to the
34:53
Speaker 9: government for instance. I think that would be serious if
34:56
Speaker 9: it happened in other countries as well, where the government
34:59
Speaker 9: wants to know the time ape of websites or services
35:02
Speaker 9: that we are trying to access, that would be a concern.
35:05
Speaker 1: That's not the case in.
35:07
Speaker 9: The building, in the legislation right now, we're not talking
35:10
Speaker 9: about governments receiving the information. But at the same time
35:13
Speaker 9: we have to be cautious about who we're giving that
35:15
Speaker 9: information too and making sure that those people can at
35:17
Speaker 9: least make the information anonymous or a compelled to destroy it.
35:21
Speaker 1: Steve.
35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think we've got a long way to go, Tim,
35:25
Speaker 2: and I just think we need to be careful, Tim,
35:28
Speaker 2: it's really good to catch up with you. Thank you
35:29
Speaker 2: very much for that, mate, And by the way, with
35:31
Speaker 2: my panel coming up, I will discuss the issue of
35:34
Speaker 2: how much of this is about peer rental control now
35:37
Speaker 2: coming up after the break. The EV market has been
35:40
Speaker 2: flooded with cheaper Chinese models, but data shows they're not
35:44
Speaker 2: that affordable in the long run, and that new research
35:47
Speaker 2: up next, i'll look at the issue of electric vehicles
35:50
Speaker 2: and what you'll get for a trade in not much,
35:52
Speaker 2: I don't think.
35:58
Speaker 1: Welcome back to de Price with you.
36:00
Speaker 2: Di Giorgio coming up at the top of the hour.
36:02
Speaker 2: I've been a little critical of electric vehicles, I must
36:06
Speaker 2: say in the early days. I have now had the
36:08
Speaker 2: opportunity to drive some pretty expensive electric vehicles. I drove
36:12
Speaker 2: the top of the range Mercedes EV for a weekend,
36:15
Speaker 2: which is an extraordinary piece of equipment, out of my
36:17
Speaker 2: price range, but an amazing thing. And a couple of
36:20
Speaker 2: weeks ago around Sandown Racetrack, I drove Mercedes mid range
36:25
Speaker 2: SUV electric vehicle, which was also quite impressive. But a
36:29
Speaker 2: report out today saying car dealers of some of those
36:32
Speaker 2: luxury brands failing to shift stock because the market's about
36:37
Speaker 2: to be flooded by cheap Chinese evs. Someone who knows
36:41
Speaker 2: more about electric vehicles than anyone in the country, he's
36:44
Speaker 2: been talking about them for years now. It's Murtoring expert
36:46
Speaker 2: Paul go Over. Paul, I had one car dealer tell
36:50
Speaker 2: me that he won't even trade in a secondhand Tesla
36:53
Speaker 2: because he just can't move it.
36:56
Speaker 10: You're absolutely correct, Steve, that's not an unusual store these days.
37:01
Speaker 10: I was doing my own research ahead of coming on here,
37:03
Speaker 10: and I spoke to a couple of dealers, and did
37:06
Speaker 10: you know that the Porsche Taycan, which is their flagship,
37:10
Speaker 10: even faster and more exotic than those Mercedes Benzes. You
37:13
Speaker 10: drove that even the value of those is dropping like
37:17
Speaker 10: a stone basically in the second hand market after two years,
37:21
Speaker 10: fifty percent of is what you'll get for a lot
37:24
Speaker 10: of electric vehicles, And as you say, some dealers won't
37:27
Speaker 10: even trade them because nobody wants them on the wholesale
37:30
Speaker 10: market or second hand.
37:33
Speaker 2: When we talked about the prestige brands, whether it be Mercedes, BMW,
37:39
Speaker 2: I guess, Volvo, Porsche. I mean, that's a different theme
37:43
Speaker 2: to what we're going to see coming with these dozens
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Speaker 2: and dozens and dozens of Chinese cheap of Chinese evs.
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Speaker 2: So are we seeing that buyers have bought the expensive evs,
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Speaker 2: driven them and fallen out of love, or are we
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Speaker 2: saying that people just want to pay that much for
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Speaker 2: an EV.
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Speaker 10: Well, the people who bought them were mostly early adopters
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Speaker 10: with a lot of money. So what's happening now is
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Speaker 10: we're into the second wave, if you like, and these
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Speaker 10: are people who are looking at a more practical solution.
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Speaker 10: They're not buying it to virtue signal. They're not buying
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Speaker 10: it just to run around home. They're live in the
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Speaker 10: real world. And this year alone, at the beginning of
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Speaker 10: the year, the pickup rate for in the market was
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Speaker 10: fourteen percent evs and going quite well. It's now down
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Speaker 10: to eight percent and falling rapidly. What is happening is
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Speaker 10: a lot of people are buying hybrid cars, but fully
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Speaker 10: battery electric vehicles are not going well at all, and
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Speaker 10: it's going to get well. One dealer described it to
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Speaker 10: me yesterday as chaos.
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Speaker 1: With the number of Chinese brands coming here, are they
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Speaker 1: any good?
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Speaker 2: The Chinese cheapies?
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Speaker 10: I described them Steve as ordinary and somebody said to me, Oh,
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Speaker 10: that's good. I said, no, no, I'd rather they're either
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Speaker 10: good or bad.
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Speaker 1: They're just ordinary.
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Speaker 10: And the electric ones ninety percent of them are a
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Speaker 10: battery and a box, so they're an suv box sitting
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Speaker 10: on top of a battery.
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Speaker 1: But what's going to happen this year? Alone? Alone?
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Speaker 10: There will be ten Chinese brands new to Australia this year,
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Speaker 10: And I talk to another guy earlier this week who
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Speaker 10: predicts that by the end of the decale there will
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Speaker 10: be thirty three zero new Chinese brands here in Australia,
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Speaker 10: and that some of the Chinese brands are doing their
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Speaker 10: planning on the basis that the size of the new
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Speaker 10: car market will double in that time. Both things not
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Speaker 10: going to happen.
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Speaker 2: Have we got to the point where infrastructure is going
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Speaker 2: to match the numbers of these things that are going
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Speaker 2: to be running around the joint?
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Speaker 10: No, absolutely not, And with the best will in the world,
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Speaker 10: there's nowhere near enough into a structure in Australia. And
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Speaker 10: a lot of these people that you know, the second
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Speaker 10: wave buyers, if you like, who are looking at don't
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Speaker 10: have the infrastructure at their own house. A battery electric
40:04
Speaker 10: vehicle works best if you are a traditional let's call
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Speaker 10: them boomer house quardu acre block, a solar on the
40:12
Speaker 10: roof and you can plug in. If you live in
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Speaker 10: an apartment block, where are you going to charge the thing?
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Speaker 10: A friend of mine who lives in in the city
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Speaker 10: Sydney was telling me that he has to blank out
40:23
Speaker 10: about thirty minutes twice a week to go down to
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Speaker 10: the nearest charging station because he has no off street parking.
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Speaker 1: So there. I mean, look, I think.
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Speaker 10: In some situations electric cars are a great idea and
40:36
Speaker 10: they work for some people. But saying that the universal
40:40
Speaker 10: panacea isn't correct. And so Toyota very very conservative company,
40:45
Speaker 10: but do a lot of smart planning and thefts. They
40:48
Speaker 10: say that there will be a multi channel future, so
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Speaker 10: they'll be combustion engines, there'll be hybrid cars, there'll be
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Speaker 10: electric cars, and people will choose what they need on
40:57
Speaker 10: what they can afford and what their usage is. But yes,
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Speaker 10: you're right, the infrastruction problem is going to be huge
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Speaker 10: even if we get up to twenty or thirty percent
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Speaker 10: of the market, let alone the federal government's predictions that
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Speaker 10: we should all be driving electric cars right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: I agree with Toyota Paul go over all, was a
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Speaker 2: pleasure to catch up with you, my friend.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
41:19
Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, the former Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard. Apparently she's gritted her teeth as she's been
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Speaker 2: forced to praise longtime political rival Kevin Rudd. Our panel
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Speaker 2: of regulars will join me to look at that awkward exchange.
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Speaker 1: Next welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's get straight into our panel tonight' skone News contributor
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Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand and skone News contributor Jemmy ton yenil is
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Speaker 2: a pleasure to see you both. Jemma social media and Joe.
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Speaker 2: We played some Barnaby Joyce quite emotional defense of the
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Speaker 2: social media changes earlier in the program. Obviously, the government
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Speaker 2: the opposition was slightly divided on this, on this whole issue,
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Speaker 2: so let's play the other side, same party, different horse.
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Speaker 2: Here's Matt Canavan in the Senate. I think it was
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Speaker 2: either last night of the night before.
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Speaker 11: Why is it that we've got this bill that seeks
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Speaker 11: to we think we say them is it says to
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Speaker 11: help parents and the word parent is not mentioned at
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Speaker 11: all in the bill. There's not a single mention of
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Speaker 11: the word parents in this bill. Why why why aren't
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Speaker 11: we helping parents rather than try to replace them. That's
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Speaker 11: what this bill tries to do. It tries to set
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Speaker 11: up a nanny state where we think here in Canberra
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Speaker 11: that we can pass this law and all, look how
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Speaker 11: great we are, pat ourselves on the back, how we've
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Speaker 11: saved the world, when it won't do that, and it
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Speaker 11: won't help at all. Parents use their own agency, their
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Speaker 11: own interaction with their children to use social media responsibly.
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Speaker 1: Joe, go to you.
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Speaker 2: You've got younger children to have to deal with this
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Speaker 2: issue as it gets toward the end of twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: If they're already on social media accounts, apparently they're going
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Speaker 2: to be switched off. I heard someone on radio today
43:09
Speaker 2: saying the exact opposite, So no one really knows. What
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Speaker 2: do you make of this change? Do you think it's
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Speaker 2: going to work?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I don't think nothing's going to be
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Speaker 12: a sort of blanket cure or but I am one
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Speaker 12: hundred percent in favor of this ban. I think it
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Speaker 12: is long overdue. Social media I think has very little,
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Speaker 12: if anything to recommend it for anyone, but particularly for children,
43:31
Speaker 12: where they simply don't have those kind of that sort
43:35
Speaker 12: of resilience. Their brains and their souls, their feelings, their
43:39
Speaker 12: emotions aren't fully developed, and it just makes them absolute
43:43
Speaker 12: babes in the woods when it comes to this stuff.
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Speaker 12: I love Matt Canavan. I'm glad he's there. I'm glad
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Speaker 12: that people are there worrying about the potential free speech
43:51
Speaker 12: ramifications or the potential issues of parental rights, and I'm
43:56
Speaker 12: glad we're having that debate. But no, I don't think
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Speaker 12: there is any think good for children in social media,
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Speaker 12: and in fact, not only can it lead to bullying, suicide, anxiety,
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Speaker 12: eating disorders because young girls are comparing themselves to women
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Speaker 12: they see and influences they see on Instagram all the time,
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Speaker 12: but it also screws up the way the brain develops
44:16
Speaker 12: as well, because it conditions kids to think that there
44:20
Speaker 12: are very simplistic, black and white solutions to problems or
44:24
Speaker 12: to personal interactions, and it doesn't actually prepare them for
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Speaker 12: the complexity of real world relationships. And that's what a
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Speaker 12: psychologist was telling me on my podcast just this week,
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Speaker 12: and it was mind blowing, to be honest.
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Speaker 1: So no, I'm all in on it.
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Speaker 2: Jemma, I hate the word ban, and I have read
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Speaker 2: these suggestions that this might be a trojan alls way
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Speaker 2: for us to all get a social media idea. What
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Speaker 2: do you make of the government taking charge of the
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Speaker 2: parenting of kids under sixteen and what they can watch
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Speaker 2: and see.
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Speaker 13: This is also the same government that wants INSTITUTIONALI childcare.
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Speaker 13: They want to stick a kid in full time childcare
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Speaker 13: from the age of three. So I don't really have
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Speaker 13: a lot of time for this government's views on parenthood
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Speaker 13: and the family. And the other thing that I want
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Speaker 13: to make very clear to our listeners is viewers rather,
45:13
Speaker 13: is that you know this government is quite happy to
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Speaker 13: ban social media for kids under sixteens, happy to let
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Speaker 13: them watch porn Steve, happy to let them have access
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Speaker 13: to pornography on the Internet. It's happy to let them
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Speaker 13: access a whole bunch of other things that are just
45:26
Speaker 13: as damaging. But no, this is about social media. And
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Speaker 13: the other thing i'd point out, I have a couple
45:30
Speaker 13: of friends who I promised that I wouldn't mention their
45:33
Speaker 13: names on air tonight, but you can trust me that
45:35
Speaker 13: they are real humans whose solution to this problem has
45:38
Speaker 13: simply been to parent their children what do I mean
45:41
Speaker 13: by that? They said no smartphones for their kids. Two
45:44
Speaker 13: of the children I'm talking about are now fully functioning
45:47
Speaker 13: adults in the workforce in their young twenties. The others
45:49
Speaker 13: are still in primary school, ones in primary school, ones
45:52
Speaker 13: in late primary school, ones in mid primary school. And
45:55
Speaker 13: both sets of parents said, not on our watch, you're
45:57
Speaker 13: not having smartphones were the bank of mum and dad,
45:59
Speaker 13: and guess what, their kids didn't have a problem. So
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Speaker 13: I think there is a problem. I want one hundred
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Speaker 13: percent agree with everything that Joe said, but I think
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Speaker 13: the solution is not this legislation.
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Speaker 2: Well, more power to those parents. I think that's an
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Speaker 2: outstanding outcome. Joe wouldn't be there Friday night if we
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Speaker 2: didn't mention Kevin rud my ole mate. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: know he's over there in the US being our ambassador
46:23
Speaker 2: and doing all these great things. Can you imagine Julia
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Speaker 2: Gillard being asked, well, what do you think, Julia, what
46:31
Speaker 2: sort of job's he doing?
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Speaker 1: Is she is?
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Speaker 14: And just from an abundance of caution In terms of
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Speaker 14: the Australian news cycle, let me just say Australia picks
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Speaker 14: its ambassadors. It's picked Kevin Rudd, who's doing a very
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Speaker 14: good job for our country in the United.
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Speaker 2: States, effusive in her praise of Kevin's Joe, Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 14: Kevin was very fragile in the face of criticism, including
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Speaker 14: the implied criticism that comes with bad polls or bad
47:07
Speaker 14: news stories. He felt the need for himself to be
47:12
Speaker 14: filled by the approval of others. So clearly there's a
47:16
Speaker 14: hole that needs to be filled by applause and approval.
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Speaker 2: Oh dear, I don't think they like each other still, Jenny.
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Speaker 13: What Julia Gillard I think has been long acknowledged as
47:31
Speaker 13: the very epitome of grace post post office she has left.
47:37
Speaker 13: She left Federal Parliament with dignity, with grace, and has
47:41
Speaker 13: carved an incredible life outside of politics which hasn't been
47:45
Speaker 13: marked by vitriol or backstabbing or any of the things
47:49
Speaker 13: that we've seen from some of the others we won't
47:50
Speaker 13: mention tonight. So for me, this response is completely on
47:54
Speaker 13: brand for her, and more power to her.
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Speaker 2: She's been the best x P in terms of holding herself,
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Speaker 2: as Jim a Quoits rightly says, with grace, asn't she Joe.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I was one of those people
48:11
Speaker 12: who had a sort of front row seat to the
48:13
Speaker 12: implosion of the Labor Party when Kevin Rudd was rolled
48:16
Speaker 12: in twenty ten, and it was just an incredibly damaging
48:19
Speaker 12: and bruising experience. It really it shook my faith in
48:24
Speaker 12: the Labor Party to its very core, and it took
48:26
Speaker 12: about a decade for it to recover. Quite frankly, and
48:29
Speaker 12: even then it's still on thinn ie subtimes. So I
48:33
Speaker 12: was very much team right. I did not think he
48:35
Speaker 12: should be rolled. But Julia Gillard has displayed a thousand
48:39
Speaker 12: times the class and dignity in her post prime ministerial
48:43
Speaker 12: life then frankly, any of her predecessors, especially Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 2: Anyone who doesn't like Kevin Rudd's got my ticke of approval.
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Speaker 2: Jimma and Joe Hildebrand, thank you very much. We'll speak
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Speaker 2: to you shortly, coming up straight up to me. Danika
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Speaker 2: de Giorgio should be with you.