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Bombshell developments in the search for little Joe Clyde Daniels · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two M. A five year
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Speaker 1: old little autistic boy missing. Please help us find this
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Speaker 1: little boy not only a taught but autistic as well.
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Speaker 1: Joe Clyde Daniels in Dixon, Tennessee. Is he even alive?
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Speaker 1: He is autistic and non verbal. So far there has
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Speaker 1: been a three day search. Is he dead or alive?
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Speaker 1: Listen to the nine one one call? Okay, how old
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Speaker 1: is your censor? Okay? And that he has autis um? Okay?
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Speaker 1: How long ago was he last seeing? Oh la fn Okay?
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Speaker 1: All right? And what's his name? The name was Joe?
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Speaker 1: What's his last name? What was he wearing last night? Uh?
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Speaker 1: There was one patramas? What kind of pajamas? What do
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Speaker 1: they look like? Um? So with no us? Okay? Um?
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Speaker 1: Do you know how he got out of the house? Um,
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Speaker 1: I'm also a walk the door? Okay? What's his David
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Speaker 1: Burns seven twelve? Okay sir? And you do you said
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Speaker 1: his name is Joe? What was his last name Daniels? Okay?
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Speaker 1: And what's your last name? Sir? Okay? What's your first name?
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Speaker 1: As all right, Josiah? And what does he look like?
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Speaker 1: It's got blond hair? Um? Okay? Um, got blonde hair,
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Speaker 1: blue eyes? Anything else? Topolis? Oh? I was like four
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Speaker 1: four fights all for a fetell? How much is the
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Speaker 1: way m sixty flaves down? Okay? Okay? Do you know
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Speaker 1: anywhere where he would go from your house? Um? I know?
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Speaker 1: Um if we don't know him? And then one m
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Speaker 1: h okay easy non verbal or easy verbal? That's noble
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Speaker 1: non verbal? Okay? And how the variance is autism? Um,
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Speaker 1: that's it's pretty significant. Joining us right now. Special guests,
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Speaker 1: the founder of Class Kids Foundation and one of the
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Speaker 1: most well known victims rights advocates in our country, Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: joining us, Mark Class, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know, right off the bat, my ears per cup
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Speaker 1: when I hear the sun, who is autistic and non verbal,
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Speaker 1: must have unlocked the door and wandered out, well natually.
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Speaker 1: If in fact that is what happened, then what the
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Speaker 1: authorities and the searchings and they know this well are
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Speaker 1: going to have to do is they're going to have
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Speaker 1: to focus on any bodies of water, because for some reason,
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Speaker 1: autistic children are drawn to the water, and in fact,
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Speaker 1: the vast majority of autistic children that are found um
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Speaker 1: as a result of these kinds of things that are dead,
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Speaker 1: are found in bodies of water, you know, Mark Class.
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Speaker 1: I can't help it though when and I learned this myself, Mark,
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Speaker 1: I told you the night it happened, and this was
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Speaker 1: eight years ago. My children who were then too, we
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Speaker 1: had not only a lock on the door going from
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Speaker 1: the kitchen to the launder room, and from the launder
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Speaker 1: room you go outdoors. They suddenly I realized they could
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Speaker 1: reach up and flip the turn lock on the kitchen
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Speaker 1: door to get to the laundry room and then they
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Speaker 1: could get outside. Well. I immediately got another latch and
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Speaker 1: put it up at about six feet I had to
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Speaker 1: reach up to turn it so they couldn't get out
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Speaker 1: and wander. Well, it wasn't forty eight hours before John David,
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Speaker 1: who was a little monkey, ran up the stairs. There
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Speaker 1: were stairs beside that door going up beside the door
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Speaker 1: to the upstairs. He went up like four stairs and
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Speaker 1: reached up and opened the lock. Forty eight hours for
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Speaker 1: him to figure that out, and he was to Mark.
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Speaker 1: So it does happen, absolutely, absolutely, there's no question about it.
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Speaker 1: Children wander all the time. Mark class with me. Mark. Typically,
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Speaker 1: when a child goes missing from the family home, what
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Speaker 1: do statistics say, Well, statistics are pretty clear. First of all,
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Speaker 1: everybody agrees that there's no time to lose in these
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Speaker 1: types of situations. And if children are going to be
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Speaker 1: murdered as a result of an abduction, or if in
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Speaker 1: fact children aren't recovered within the first twenty four hours,
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Speaker 1: then the chances of recovering them alive dropped dramatically, particularly
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Speaker 1: in abduction situation. Seventy four percent of children that are
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Speaker 1: murdered as a result of an abduction will be dead
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Speaker 1: within the first three hours. Mark class. When a child
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Speaker 1: goes missing from the family home. How often is the
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Speaker 1: family or a family friend, relative involved as opposed to
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Speaker 1: a stranger, almost almost exclusively. UM. Typically you'll have hundreds
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Speaker 1: of thousands of cases of family abductions in a given year,
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Speaker 1: and you'll have somewhere under two hundred cases of true
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Speaker 1: stranger types of abductions. And as far as the abuse
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Speaker 1: of children, UM, the numbers are consistent. The vast majority
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Speaker 1: of children that are going to be abused are going
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Speaker 1: to be abused by somebody in the family or somebody
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Speaker 1: that's close to the family. A Tennessee five year old boy,
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Speaker 1: non verbal and artistic stick goes missing. You heard the
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Speaker 1: nine one one call, That call from Joseph Ray Daniels
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Speaker 1: reporting his five year old little boy Clyde Joe Clyde missing.
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Speaker 1: Now take a listen to the Dixon County Sheriff Jeff
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Speaker 1: Bloodsoe talking about footprints that may help them find the boy.
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Speaker 1: There were some indicators where we found what appeared to
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Speaker 1: be a footprint yesterday late in the evening, and that
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Speaker 1: took us out into that realm of the three miles
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Speaker 1: to four miles range. But as far as the radius
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Speaker 1: of what we're doing on foot and searching the fields
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Speaker 1: and the brush and the forest woods that hasn't been
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Speaker 1: to that extent yet, up to that three mile range,
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Speaker 1: but we moved north today where we had primarily had
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Speaker 1: some indicators on the south side. But we don't want
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Speaker 1: to ignore any area around us because of the way
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Speaker 1: he could move on us, and then we need to
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Speaker 1: double back and check those areas as well. But when
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Speaker 1: we're looking at the straight line, if he could travel
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Speaker 1: down the road, that's what pushed us beyond where we're
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Speaker 1: at it at this point, we went beyond a mile
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Speaker 1: with our foot searches, with our grid searches, but we've
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Speaker 1: exceeded that greatly with the support of the aircraft from
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Speaker 1: tv I and th HP. Now, when you said that
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Speaker 1: you guys have found footprints, does that mean barefootprints or shoe?
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Speaker 1: It would be a footprint without a shoe, and that
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Speaker 1: that's the indicators that we had that there was no
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Speaker 1: shoes when he left the home. Straight out to Pamela
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Speaker 1: fur investigative reporter with crime stories. Then a search like
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Speaker 1: no other ensued for three straight days. Volunteers, dogs, helicopters,
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Speaker 1: the works. What can you tell me about the search
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Speaker 1: for this five year old autistic Boypam. Well, everybody's involved,
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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, even the t w r I,
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Speaker 1: t w r A, which is the Tennessee Wildlife Association.
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Speaker 1: Because it's such a wooded area. There was also a
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Speaker 1: body of water nearby. They went ahead and drained that
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Speaker 1: just to be on the safe side. They did not
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Speaker 1: find a body there. Volunteers hundreds showed up every day
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Speaker 1: to look for this young boy. Like you said, non verbal.
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Speaker 1: Even though they're shouting for him, they're hoping to find him.
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Speaker 1: They're not hearing anything from this boy, but hundreds of
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Speaker 1: people have shown up to look for him. Also, it
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Speaker 1: should be noted, uh, this is not the first time
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Speaker 1: that this young boy has wandered away from home. This
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Speaker 1: has happened a couple of times, and so they everyone
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Speaker 1: is very optimistic that they be able to find him
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Speaker 1: because this has happened before. The only thing that has
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Speaker 1: not happened is that an endangered child alert issued, which
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Speaker 1: they did do in this case immediately after the call
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Speaker 1: from the father. So after an urgent nine one one
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Speaker 1: call from the dad, the troops are summoned, hundreds of volunteers,
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Speaker 1: police dogs, firefighters, e M T. Everybody joins in and
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Speaker 1: then the search takes a different turn list and during
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Speaker 1: the course of the investigation, and after a three day search,
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Speaker 1: it was determined that the child's father, Joseph Daniels, intentionally
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Speaker 1: killed his son sometime during the night of April the
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Speaker 1: three or fourth in their residence and then hid his
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Speaker 1: son's body. This morning, t b I agents arrested Joseph
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Speaker 1: Ray Daniels and charged him with one count of criminal homicide.
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Speaker 1: Daniels was booked in the Dickson County Jail on a
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Speaker 1: one million dollar bond. So let me understand this. To
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Speaker 1: Chryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, the
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Speaker 1: dad confesses the five year old autistic boy is not missing,
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Speaker 1: that he's led everybody on a wild goose chase. He
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Speaker 1: confesses to killing his own son, Cheryl Nancy. He confessed,
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Speaker 1: but he won't say where the child is. In my concern.
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Speaker 1: Listening to the novel one call, when the call begins,
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Speaker 1: there is no sense of urgency on his heart. He
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Speaker 1: never asked for help. He is not panicked, he's not
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Speaker 1: in a hurry, he's not demanding, he's not frantic. All
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Speaker 1: of the things that you expect him to be, he's not.
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Speaker 1: He's calm and most of the time he's given one
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Speaker 1: word responses unless he wants to explain something. So he
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Speaker 1: wants to say, my son is autistic and we can't
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Speaker 1: find it. So what's important there? He's telling you the
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Speaker 1: most important thing to him is for you to know
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Speaker 1: the child is autistic, not that he's missing. He never
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Speaker 1: uses that word. He says we can't find it. And
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Speaker 1: if you keep in mind, this child has been missing
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Speaker 1: since the night before, he should be completely frantic, and
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Speaker 1: he's not. Is when he said words like escape and
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Speaker 1: then he said he unlocked the door and must have
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Speaker 1: gotten out, it leads me to believe there was more
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Speaker 1: abuse going on in that home, and potentially he does
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Speaker 1: not want you to find the child, to not only
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Speaker 1: discover there may have been abused, but also the manner
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Speaker 1: in which he died. Pamela, Well, Nancy, we've learned more
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Speaker 1: to tails about what happened that night Joe Clyde Daniels disappeared.
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Speaker 1: The arrest warrant has now been released, so we've learned
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Speaker 1: the father, Joseph Rae, told investigators that he actually hit
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Speaker 1: the boy repeatedly with his closed fist in the torso,
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Speaker 1: his head, his face until that little child was dead.
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Speaker 1: It happened at their home located on Garner's Creek Road
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Speaker 1: in Dixon, Tennessee, which is about thirty miles west of Nashville.
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Speaker 1: The father tope police. He then took the body and
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Speaker 1: put it in the trunk of his car, drove to
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Speaker 1: some room, some remote location, and then dumped his son's
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Speaker 1: body just out there in the woods, remote location. Nobody
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Speaker 1: can find this child's body. Investigators are still looking. The
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Speaker 1: father has yet to tell them the actual location. The
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Speaker 1: child most likely is going to be somewhere that is
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Speaker 1: known to the father, an area that he was comfortable in,
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Speaker 1: knowing there would not be other people to see him. So,
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Speaker 1: for example, if he was a hunter, then the child
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Speaker 1: would be somewhere in the woods that he was known
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Speaker 1: to go to hunt. If he um was a camper
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Speaker 1: and he knew places to go where other people were
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Speaker 1: not going to be around, then he felt comfortable going
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Speaker 1: somewhere specific. Did he knew that he would not be
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Speaker 1: cult or seen disposing of this child. The interesting thing
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Speaker 1: is that he's not tell where the child is, and
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Speaker 1: that's extraordinarily telling. He's covering more than just the crime
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Speaker 1: of homifide. He's covered all the things that he's done
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Speaker 1: to that child overpair of time with me. Now, famed
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Speaker 1: defense attorney out of the Maryland jurisdiction, Robin Thicker, Robin,
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Speaker 1: he gave a confession. What is a possible defense for him? Now?
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Speaker 1: How could he stand by for three days and let
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Speaker 1: people search for his son? Well? Was he living in
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Speaker 1: the home. He wasn't even there. The child has wandered
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Speaker 1: away many times before. I think the parent who was
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Speaker 1: living then, how do you explain the confession of false confession? Robinick? Well,
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Speaker 1: we don't know that. We don't know the situation. How
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Speaker 1: long he was interrogate, at the pressure that was put
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Speaker 1: on him, there are many violations of these interrogation rules
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Speaker 1: of an ordinary person would expect. I think that the
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Speaker 1: police were so eager to find a culprit here that
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Speaker 1: they that they interrogated him in an improper way. Nancy
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Speaker 1: were also told that when Joseph Ray, the father, was arrested,
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Speaker 1: he was immediately placed on suicide watch and he's being
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Speaker 1: held there on a one million dollar bond. Listened to
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Speaker 1: Dixon County Sheriff Jeff Bloodsoy, his world is drastically changed
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Speaker 1: and his environment's changed that we um we put people
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Speaker 1: through a process of where we check them medically. We
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Speaker 1: have medical staff that works with us and under the
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Speaker 1: supervision of the doctor and nurses and people on on
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Speaker 1: on staff at the jail and on scene at the jail,
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Speaker 1: and when we have this, we want to just be
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Speaker 1: very cautious that we observe his actions and his behavior
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Speaker 1: and are able to respond if something's needed. And it
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Speaker 1: just puts him where he's in a booking area where
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Speaker 1: he's highly visible. You know, It's it's odd to Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of classkis foundation the father according to police. I mean,
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Speaker 1: maybe figures right. Maybe he was pressured into a statement.
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Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe you'd be pressured into
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Speaker 1: saying you killed your own son. But why not tell
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Speaker 1: where the body is? Mark Class? What is in it
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Speaker 1: for him? Is he trying to work a deal? Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, Um, he couldn't be working a deal, I suppose. Um, listen, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there's a special place in hell for parents that murder
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Speaker 1: their own children. And I would take everything this man
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Speaker 1: has said its face value. If he said he murdered
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Speaker 1: the child. There's absolutely no reason in the world he
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Speaker 1: would say something like that unless it was true, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's then he now it's incumbent upon him
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Speaker 1: at some point to let this little boy come home
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Speaker 1: and be put to rest. And if he doesn't do that, then,
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Speaker 1: um I I can't even speak to the diabolical nature
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Speaker 1: of his mind. When you hear the news that he
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Speaker 1: was intentionally killed by his father, it was you was
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Speaker 1: shocking and it was immediate heartbreak. We are talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of a five year old autistic, non verbal
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Speaker 1: little boy, Joe Clyde, you know, to Pamela for Crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Pamela. Other than the father seeing him, what's
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Speaker 1: the last known sighting of him? I mean the parents
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Speaker 1: say he was wearing his pj's when he was last seen.
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Speaker 1: Joe Clyde Daniels five years old, four ft tall, just
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Speaker 1: weighs sixty five pounds, blond hair, blue eyes, last scene
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Speaker 1: wearing pajamas. There were two other children in that house,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and eight year old and a three year old
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Speaker 1: and they've been placed with relatives. That's the good news.
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Speaker 1: The Department of Children's Services made sure of that. And
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Speaker 1: this is where we bring up the boy's mother. We're
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Speaker 1: not really sure of her status were involved in at
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Speaker 1: this point. There are all kinds of questions being posted
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Speaker 1: on social media and the like about the mother and
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Speaker 1: her possible role, but she hasn't been arrested at this point.
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Speaker 1: That Dickson County sheriff says he is aware of all
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Speaker 1: these questions, but would only say he's confident. The t
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Speaker 1: b I investigators are looking at every avenue in this case,
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Speaker 1: and the tb I confirms they are looking to see
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Speaker 1: if anybody else is involved, but that's all they're saying. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: We've got some breaking news on this story. In the
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Speaker 1: last few minutes, things have changed. The mother has been
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Speaker 1: taken into custody. Twenty seven year old Crystal Daniels was
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Speaker 1: also arrested. The specifics of arrest not yet known, but
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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation apparently found enough probable cause
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Speaker 1: to charge her with one count of aggravated child neglect
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Speaker 1: or endangered Justice also tacked on a staggering bond of
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Speaker 1: one million dollars. It was the last time somebody else
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Speaker 1: saw him. When do I have an independent sighting of J.
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Speaker 1: Clyde so I can start my time when he was killed. Well, they, uh,
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Speaker 1: that's the last sighting. The grandmother had talked to him
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Speaker 1: on the phone, as in she did all the talking.
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Speaker 1: He couldn't, So we were told the grandmother had talked
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Speaker 1: to him earlier that day. We also have a witness
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Speaker 1: that says they saw some a child matching the description
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Speaker 1: around one o'clock in the morning then the morning of
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Speaker 1: the disappearance, but there's no confirmation that that actually was
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Speaker 1: the boy. So truthfully, the last sighting is coming from
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Speaker 1: those parents. How could somebody outside the home see the
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Speaker 1: boy at one am pam. The witness says they saw
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Speaker 1: him walking down this a child walking in that area
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Speaker 1: around one o'clock, and they didn't call police. That's the
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Speaker 1: part that I don't understand. If you see a young
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Speaker 1: child at one o'clock in the morning wandering around, why
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you call the police at that time? Uh, we
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Speaker 1: don't know if that quote witnesses a friend of the
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Speaker 1: family or not. Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and founder of
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Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Ashley, if I saw a
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Speaker 1: child walking down the street or outside at one a
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Speaker 1: m I will call police and stay with the child.
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Speaker 1: What idiot wouldn't stay with the child. Absolutely, there are
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Speaker 1: so many problems with this story and holes in the
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Speaker 1: story of this father, because honestly, nobody would leave a
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Speaker 1: child at one am and not at least call the
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Speaker 1: police and sit in the car and make sure the
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Speaker 1: child is safe until the police get there. This is
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Speaker 1: this is wrecked with all kinds of facts that mean
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Speaker 1: there's no reason not to believe this father when he says, yep,
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Speaker 1: I murdered my child. To Sheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research
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Speaker 1: Institute Director, previous incidents of the little boy wandering off
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Speaker 1: had sparked hope he would still be alive. Listen, Joe
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Speaker 1: had walked away from the home of the occasions. So
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Speaker 1: we had been there to offer our services there and
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Speaker 1: we were able to have a good recovery or a
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Speaker 1: good rescue at that point. He was close by to
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Speaker 1: the home, and so we were there to work on
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Speaker 1: those incidents that we were calling. As the search unfolded,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about search dogs, volunteers, police, helicopters, boats,
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Speaker 1: the works. We thought there was a chance to bring
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Speaker 1: Joe Clyde home alone. Investigators even state that the boy
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Speaker 1: was spotted about a hundred yards from the home. What
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Speaker 1: is that a football field? Hundred yards? Yeah? Then they
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Speaker 1: say they see a footprint near a creek three miles
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Speaker 1: from where Joe Clyde goes missing, and that that was
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Speaker 1: an indication he could be alive three miles Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: you really think that little boy got three miles in
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Speaker 1: his pj's at night. I do not, not by himself.
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Speaker 1: It would be difficult for me to think that a
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Speaker 1: five year old went three miles undetected. But again, when
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Speaker 1: the father right out of the gate uses the lord
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Speaker 1: to escape, that makes me think that perhaps the child
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Speaker 1: got out to get away. But three miles is a
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Speaker 1: long way for nobody to see him woken. Um, he
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Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere for help. Even though he's nonverbal, he's five,
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Speaker 1: He knows his way around that town. So he was
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Speaker 1: going somewhere specific. Um, you're talking about somebody hold enough.
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Speaker 1: They know where the story is, they know where their
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Speaker 1: neighbors are, they know where their friends live, where the
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Speaker 1: lake is, etcetera. So three miles away, I would be
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Speaker 1: curious to know where he might have been headed. Um.
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Speaker 1: And again, if there were additional footprints leading to and
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Speaker 1: not a way. That's gonna be something for law enforces
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Speaker 1: to figure out as they continue their circuit. And Nancy,
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Speaker 1: we need to start the beginning. In the beginning. Is
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Speaker 1: that now when one call that's the money of this
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Speaker 1: whole investigation. Why would the guy give the dad give
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Speaker 1: a confession that he kills his son, but then not
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Speaker 1: say where the body is. Is he angling for a
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Speaker 1: deal like you take the death penalty off the table,
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Speaker 1: or let me play the voluntary twenty years and I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you where the body is. To Mark Class, founder
24:21
Speaker 1: of Class Kids Foundation, what do we do now, Mark, Well,
24:26
Speaker 1: you know, we we have to take what the father
24:28
Speaker 1: said in space value and I think that what we
24:31
Speaker 1: need is an expert interrogator, somebody that's going to be
24:34
Speaker 1: able to get this man to the point whether they
24:36
Speaker 1: take death penalty off the table or not to to
24:40
Speaker 1: give it up, to let them know where little little
24:44
Speaker 1: Joe Quide is so that they can so that they
24:46
Speaker 1: can lay him to rest. He needs to do that
24:50
Speaker 1: for all of the people that love him and all
24:51
Speaker 1: of the people that have been searching for him. You know, Mark,
24:56
Speaker 1: they loss of a child's life. I've seen so often
25:03
Speaker 1: pled down to voluntary or even involuntary. When the parents
25:09
Speaker 1: will say, oh, I was angry, it wouldn't stop crying
25:12
Speaker 1: or this or that like somehow that's an excuse if
25:16
Speaker 1: that happened to an adult, and it would absolutely not
25:21
Speaker 1: be a hall pass for murder. Why our children's lives
25:25
Speaker 1: treated differently marked, Well, they don't vote, they don't have money,
25:30
Speaker 1: they don't really have any power. But let's just think
25:33
Speaker 1: back to to another parent of a missing child who
25:37
Speaker 1: swore up and down that they had nothing to do
25:40
Speaker 1: with it and there was no reason to murder their child.
25:42
Speaker 1: Remember Susan Smith out of out of Union, South Carolina.
25:46
Speaker 1: It was exactly the same thing. There was no reason
25:49
Speaker 1: she should have done anything to her children. They weren't
25:51
Speaker 1: even they weren't autistic, they weren't problem children in any way,
25:55
Speaker 1: shape or form. Yet she, in her tiny mind was
25:59
Speaker 1: able to us before driving them into a lake and
26:02
Speaker 1: letting them grow. You know, there's an effort now to
26:05
Speaker 1: collect donations to build a Joe Clyde Daniel's memorial playground.
26:11
Speaker 1: That's the hill View Baptist Church. That's cold comfort, indeed,
26:14
Speaker 1: I mean I admire the effort, Nancy, the outpouring from
26:18
Speaker 1: the community has been tremendous. Hundreds have volunteered. Well, they
26:22
Speaker 1: volunteered when everyone thought that little Joe Clyde was still alive.
26:27
Speaker 1: Since the weekend after learning the horrible news that he
26:30
Speaker 1: was murdered by his father, there have been several vigils
26:33
Speaker 1: throughout the community. And then here's the sweet sweet story.
26:37
Speaker 1: The school where Joe Clyde attended kindergarten decided to do
26:41
Speaker 1: something special to remember him. His kindergarten class, you gotta remember,
26:46
Speaker 1: they loved him even though he couldn't communicate verbally. They
26:49
Speaker 1: really thought he was a special child, and they loved
26:53
Speaker 1: him and and are really trying to deal with this
26:55
Speaker 1: horrible loss. So the school has decided to make a
26:59
Speaker 1: makeshift from real Actually, several have been set up all
27:02
Speaker 1: over the school with apples. And you may ask why apples, Well,
27:06
Speaker 1: his favorite smack. His teacher says, we're apples. So when
27:12
Speaker 1: local businesses got when that these were the kinds of
27:15
Speaker 1: memorials going up all over the school, they decided to
27:19
Speaker 1: get together and donate apples. Nearly eight hundred have been
27:23
Speaker 1: collected in memory of Clydes. He's got these memorials set
27:26
Speaker 1: up with his picture and then apple kind of apple
27:29
Speaker 1: bouquet kind of things set up all over the school,
27:31
Speaker 1: and the school is also making plans to plant apple
27:35
Speaker 1: trees on the grounds in his memory. I admire the effort,
27:39
Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum, but I want the boy, not a park
27:43
Speaker 1: or a highway. There needs to be justice in this situation.
27:47
Speaker 1: Needs be not only do they need to locate him
27:50
Speaker 1: to bring him home so that he can properly be buried.
27:54
Speaker 1: Um this case, when they do find him, there will
27:58
Speaker 1: be evidence, most likely a great abuse that has been on.
28:02
Speaker 1: Go listen to Dixon County Sheriff Jeff Bloodsoy, work's not done.
28:07
Speaker 1: We're still there. We're still on scene and we're gonna
28:09
Speaker 1: be there until we can get a recovery and bring
28:12
Speaker 1: resolve of this. We have other family members that are
28:14
Speaker 1: mourning and it's just been a devastating into this with
28:21
Speaker 1: our hope that the whole time being that there would
28:23
Speaker 1: be a safe rescue. The boy's grandmother, Belle Daniels, Joseph
28:26
Speaker 1: Daniel's stepmother, spoke to News Channel five. We're doing the
28:30
Speaker 1: best we can do, and we I want pipple enough.
28:34
Speaker 1: From the bottom of my heart, I appreciate everything to
28:37
Speaker 1: the law enforcement in the churches and the news men
28:40
Speaker 1: and all of the media and stuff is done for us,
28:43
Speaker 1: And how's the family doings? Lens at the US. Well,
28:47
Speaker 1: right now we're just feeling like it's a nightmare and
28:51
Speaker 1: we're just hoping it to get closure. So I'd like
28:55
Speaker 1: to say that when we found out about it, oh
28:59
Speaker 1: my heart sunk, cause weren't no nothing, what was going on.
29:04
Speaker 1: And when they couldn't get no leads or nothing, I thought,
29:07
Speaker 1: I thought maybe somebody deducted him. And that's what I
29:11
Speaker 1: really think. We were down in Texas to Joseph's arrest.
29:17
Speaker 1: It was shocking because you raised a child from from
29:22
Speaker 1: way back. You think you know him. You don't think
29:26
Speaker 1: you would kill his aunt baby tipline one hundred T
29:30
Speaker 1: B I find how many times have you done it?
29:35
Speaker 1: Or would you admit to it? But dialing Now, of
29:38
Speaker 1: course we are not allowed to say b U T
29:42
Speaker 1: T in our house, so we call it pocket dialing
29:45
Speaker 1: or in my case, bra dialing because I'll stick it
29:48
Speaker 1: down my sports braw. Long story short, has it happened
29:52
Speaker 1: to you? Have you sent an un intended email or text?
29:59
Speaker 1: I've done that with disastrous results. But all of those
30:03
Speaker 1: butt dialings and bride dialings and pocket dialings and unintended
30:08
Speaker 1: emails and texts, what if it got you fired? Yeah? Fired?
30:16
Speaker 1: That is what is being alleged right now. A man
30:20
Speaker 1: loses his job after he accidentally pocket dials his boss. Now,
30:28
Speaker 1: according two reports, he was talking to his wife about
30:35
Speaker 1: his boss. Whoopsie. That all went sideways because at the time,
30:41
Speaker 1: according to reports, Stevens did not realize he had pocket
30:46
Speaker 1: dialed his boss, who could hear the conversation, and not
30:49
Speaker 1: locking what he heard, he kicked the guy out. I
30:54
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it was time for the boss to
30:56
Speaker 1: have a little introspection and self evaluation. But hey, that's
31:02
Speaker 1: a whole another can of worms. That that calls for
31:05
Speaker 1: a shrink. Not a lawyer like myself joining me right now,
31:09
Speaker 1: a very well known lawyer in his area in his
31:14
Speaker 1: jurisdiction of Rome, Georgia, David Golden Shoe and with me.
31:19
Speaker 1: James Stevens, who was kicked out lost his job over
31:24
Speaker 1: a butt dial his wife, Gina Stevens, the wife of
31:28
Speaker 1: the button dialer. Gina, sorry to refer to you like that.
31:32
Speaker 1: I'm sure growing up you never thought. Gee, one day
31:34
Speaker 1: I want to grow up and marry a butt diller.
31:36
Speaker 1: Sadly you're in this position with me. Dr Brian Russell,
31:39
Speaker 1: lawyer and psychologist, host of hit show Fatal Vows on
31:45
Speaker 1: Investigation Discovery, and Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge and founder of
31:49
Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com victim's advocate. Well, first, I'm
31:54
Speaker 1: just gonna start off, Ashley Wilcott, if we got fired,
31:58
Speaker 1: every time somebody did a button l or a pocket dial,
32:01
Speaker 1: would all would all be in the unemployment line right exactly.
32:05
Speaker 1: And so you have to talk about what's that right
32:06
Speaker 1: to privacy? And if I accidentally butt dial somebody, I
32:10
Speaker 1: don't expect that my privacy is going to be violated
32:13
Speaker 1: and somebody's going to use that against me. You know
32:15
Speaker 1: another thing, As I said, I needed to shrink. Luckily
32:17
Speaker 1: we've got Dr Brian Russell from Investigation Discovery. Dr Russell.
32:21
Speaker 1: Everybody complains about their boss. I mean, I don't care
32:26
Speaker 1: what kind of a great job you've got. When when wow,
32:29
Speaker 1: I've got to come in early and start ten minutes
32:32
Speaker 1: early today? When when wow, I've got to work at night?
32:34
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Oh this commune is terrible. Why did
32:38
Speaker 1: they speak to me like that, Why does so and
32:40
Speaker 1: so get a raise? Blah blah. It goes on forever.
32:43
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody, no matter how good you've got it,
32:45
Speaker 1: if you step back and look at it, we're all
32:48
Speaker 1: really lucky to have jobs. But that's the human condition.
32:53
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Lord puts up with us. Frankly,
32:55
Speaker 1: we all complain. Isn't that true? Dr Brian Russell? Okay,
32:59
Speaker 1: I admitted complain about how early we taped the show.
33:05
Speaker 1: We all do think about poor Allen Dike on the
33:07
Speaker 1: West Coast. I mean, everybody complains about your boss, no
33:11
Speaker 1: matter how great. I had the greatest boss ever, Lewis Layton,
33:15
Speaker 1: the elected district Attorney. But I would absolutely whine about
33:19
Speaker 1: my job as I was tramping through housing projects through
33:22
Speaker 1: the rain and having people try to sell crack cocaine
33:25
Speaker 1: to me on the corner. Yes, I complained, Dr Russell,
33:28
Speaker 1: but I had a great job. What is wrong with us?
33:31
Speaker 1: Why don't we all complain? Well, you know, I think
33:34
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, uh, whenever we are in a
33:37
Speaker 1: hurry to get somewhere, we always perceived that we're getting
33:41
Speaker 1: all the red lights, when you know, in truth, were well,
33:44
Speaker 1: we are I know, I am Dr Russell, I get
33:46
Speaker 1: all the red lights, and I'm also in the wrong
33:48
Speaker 1: line at the grocery store, you know, and my husband
33:51
Speaker 1: so much worse. Oh, some bosses, uh, you know, would
33:55
Speaker 1: would look at a situation like this and say, you know,
33:58
Speaker 1: this person has the uh you know, has the audacity
34:02
Speaker 1: to pick out the negative parts of this job and
34:04
Speaker 1: complain about me. I'm gonna fire the person. Other bosses
34:06
Speaker 1: would look at this and go, this might actually be
34:09
Speaker 1: a chance for me to learn something about what's going
34:12
Speaker 1: on in my workplace that I otherwise wouldn't have had
34:14
Speaker 1: a chance to know. And so I'm gonna I'm going
34:18
Speaker 1: to not let on that I know this information, but
34:20
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use it to try to keep my good
34:23
Speaker 1: employees here and and maybe actually try to fix something
34:26
Speaker 1: about this workplace. Well. As you can imagine, in all
34:28
Speaker 1: my various jobs, whether I was bossing around investigators or
34:34
Speaker 1: um defense lawyers are trying to boss judges around. That
34:38
Speaker 1: usually didn't work very well, but I tried. I mean,
34:41
Speaker 1: there's always going to be somebody or a lot of
34:44
Speaker 1: people that don't like what you do or what you
34:47
Speaker 1: say with me. Right now, let's go out to James
34:51
Speaker 1: Stevens and Gena Stevens, his wife, and with us they're
34:55
Speaker 1: very well known. Attorney David Golden Shoe out of room, Georgia.
34:58
Speaker 1: James Stevens, let's start at the beginning. Tell me how
35:03
Speaker 1: it all went down. And I had had actually tell
35:06
Speaker 1: a work on the day that this took place. Later
35:08
Speaker 1: in the evening. It was a Tuesday. Uh tell A
35:11
Speaker 1: worked every Tuesday, and uh, well, after my hours my
35:15
Speaker 1: my work hours were from six a m. To two
35:18
Speaker 1: thirty pm, and UM, at about five o'clock I received
35:22
Speaker 1: the phone call from Mr Cohen. And during the course
35:26
Speaker 1: of that phone call, he was calling to grumble and
35:29
Speaker 1: complain himself because a female UH state agency department head
35:34
Speaker 1: had high headed him at a state department head agency
35:38
Speaker 1: meeting earlier in to day. But what does that mean? Hi? Whoa, whoa?
35:41
Speaker 1: What has I had? And give him the time of day?
35:43
Speaker 1: Didn't didn't been spending a lot of time conversing with him.
35:48
Speaker 1: Uh it was too goodness. Now that's a whole another
35:51
Speaker 1: can of worms. How easily men get their feelings? And
35:54
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Okay, go ahead, James Stevens. You
35:59
Speaker 1: worked from six a m. To two thirty PM, and everybody.
36:05
Speaker 1: That is not uncommon for state workers. They have different shifts,
36:09
Speaker 1: so some people will get off at three and and leave,
36:13
Speaker 1: some people get off at five. That's just the nature
36:16
Speaker 1: of it. And that's what I remember. I would coming
36:19
Speaker 1: to the d a's office and the drug indictments would
36:23
Speaker 1: have been there since four in the morning, drawing up
36:25
Speaker 1: drug indictments to present to the grand jury. And then
36:28
Speaker 1: then I'll leave it, you know, noon when grand jury
36:31
Speaker 1: let out. So you work from six to two thirty,
36:35
Speaker 1: and your boss calls and begins grumbling as somebody, some
36:38
Speaker 1: woman ignored him at a meeting. Okay, go ahead. And
36:41
Speaker 1: he had called me regarding that top against the department
36:44
Speaker 1: head that actually grew up in the same hometown of
36:47
Speaker 1: Cedar Town that I grew up in. So that's that's
36:49
Speaker 1: why it made the call. M uh. You spent about
36:52
Speaker 1: fifty minutes on the topic. Finally, finally the call ended.
36:56
Speaker 1: Normally at five o'clock in the evening, I would already
36:58
Speaker 1: have my phone tired in the bedroom on the charger,
37:02
Speaker 1: but because I've received the call, it was not put
37:05
Speaker 1: up what normally is and UM and my wife had
37:08
Speaker 1: a conversation I had quite a quite a commute from
37:11
Speaker 1: Cedar Town to Atlanta every day, and even though I
37:13
Speaker 1: had very conducive work hours, I still my wife and
37:18
Speaker 1: my time was limited because of the commune I had
37:21
Speaker 1: back and forth from Atlanta. So Um, she was a
37:25
Speaker 1: little bit distraught that I had received the phone call
37:28
Speaker 1: that lasted about an hour on personal private time and
37:32
Speaker 1: we had a conversation. Okay, wait a minute, hold on
37:35
Speaker 1: James with me. James Stevens who got fired over a
37:39
Speaker 1: butt dial with me as his wife Gina, and their
37:42
Speaker 1: lawyer David golden Shoe, well known in his jurisdiction of Rome, Georgia.
37:48
Speaker 1: You know, hold on just a moment, Ashley will caught.
37:51
Speaker 1: I'm going to you because I haven't managed to get
37:54
Speaker 1: Dr Brian married with children yet, although I'm trying, you know,
37:58
Speaker 1: being smart and good looking, apparent he doesn't attract women
38:01
Speaker 1: the way it used to, Um, Ashley. It drives me insane.
38:07
Speaker 1: When I start working at five thirty in the morning,
38:11
Speaker 1: I worked straight through. I finally get with the children,
38:15
Speaker 1: and all of the all the people I work with
38:18
Speaker 1: on the West Coast alan start calling at supper time.
38:25
Speaker 1: I mean, they the minute I get with the twins. Finally,
38:30
Speaker 1: you know David James and Gena. You may not know
38:33
Speaker 1: now my twins think on eleven and a half. But
38:36
Speaker 1: I got pregnant at forty seven and gave birth at
38:39
Speaker 1: forty eight. I did not wait forty eight years to
38:42
Speaker 1: have children. To talk on the phone at dinner time. Okay,
38:45
Speaker 1: so I am in Gena's I'm on Gena's side here.
38:50
Speaker 1: Of course, when it's your boss, you're kind of stuck
38:52
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, Ashley, does that happen to you.
38:55
Speaker 1: You've got a whole house full of children, dogs, pets,
38:58
Speaker 1: the works, just like us. Why does the let's start
39:00
Speaker 1: ringing at night? Don't people get it? Always? I think
39:03
Speaker 1: it's inevitable right this day and age. I think in
39:06
Speaker 1: our American culture, people think they're gonna work when I
39:09
Speaker 1: need them to work. They can work anytime I need
39:11
Speaker 1: to reach them now, And so it's always incumbent on
39:13
Speaker 1: us to say we need some boundaries. Can't talk right now.
39:16
Speaker 1: I've got to do something that I would never I
39:18
Speaker 1: need them, my people. That's these all these creatures want
39:23
Speaker 1: to eat. He eats like a horse. Lucy a rescue cat,
39:27
Speaker 1: a rescue dog, and to rescue guinea pigs much less
39:30
Speaker 1: my husband. Everybody wants to eat, and when they want
39:32
Speaker 1: the electricity on, they want the power on. They want
39:36
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so, hey, I'll take the call
39:38
Speaker 1: and then I'll complain about it. That's just what James
39:41
Speaker 1: Stevens did. But that's it everybody does, especially when it's
39:44
Speaker 1: your boss calling. When your boss is calling, you're not
39:47
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, sorry, can't talk right now. But the
39:49
Speaker 1: reality is it's our human nature. Like you already said,
39:52
Speaker 1: to then be able to vent. I'm not gonna stay
39:54
Speaker 1: complain bent. I bent to my husband about that stuff.
39:57
Speaker 1: Everybody does it, so you're I can't believe he's calling hello. Okay,
40:04
Speaker 1: So Betty Gina Stevens, can I talk to you for
40:07
Speaker 1: a moment about the community? Ma'am? I mean, why did
40:10
Speaker 1: you even get married? If he's in a car the
40:12
Speaker 1: whole time? Why bother? And we're not in there with him.
40:16
Speaker 1: We've been married thirty years, and during that thirty years
40:19
Speaker 1: he did not always work in Atlanta, so at least
40:21
Speaker 1: you can remember a time. But I mean, so the
40:26
Speaker 1: boss calls, wait, I'm getting off time, I got out
40:29
Speaker 1: of sequence complaining about Alan. Do you calling at night,
40:32
Speaker 1: James Stevens. So your phone is you normally docket? Right?
40:37
Speaker 1: What happened this time? This time? I put it in
40:40
Speaker 1: my pocket and uh uh, and my wife and I
40:44
Speaker 1: started a conversation and white which pocket man? I asked
40:47
Speaker 1: to be rude? Uh? Shirt pocket? So it's a chest dial.
40:51
Speaker 1: It's in your You got it in your shirt pocket
40:54
Speaker 1: up front? Right, yes, ma'am? Are you is it a
40:58
Speaker 1: flip thone? No, ma'am, okay, cause I started to say
41:01
Speaker 1: out and see how that would happen with a flip phone.
41:04
Speaker 1: What do you have a smartphone? The phone was a droid? Yes, adroid? Okay,
41:10
Speaker 1: honestly I need what I have? This is an Apple? Correct?
41:13
Speaker 1: I don't. It's an iPhone? Okay. So you don't have
41:17
Speaker 1: a galaxy that blows up, do you? For Pete's sake?
41:21
Speaker 1: So you've got a droid. You've got it in your
41:24
Speaker 1: shirt pocket. Just let me get the picture. Have you
41:27
Speaker 1: changed from work? Are you wearing casual clothes or your
41:30
Speaker 1: work clothes? Well? I had tell a work that day,
41:33
Speaker 1: so it was casual cloth teller. That means you did
41:35
Speaker 1: it by a computer and phone. Okay, So you have
41:38
Speaker 1: and what time of the evening is this let me
41:40
Speaker 1: understand this is um this at this point, this is
41:43
Speaker 1: about six thirty in the evening, and man's been working
41:48
Speaker 1: since six o'clock. So so me and my wife are
41:52
Speaker 1: having having a conversation about the call that had just
41:54
Speaker 1: ended on personal time and noticed that my shirt was
41:58
Speaker 1: illuminated and all beenants into the conversation. Twelve minutes into
42:03
Speaker 1: the conversation, noticed my shirts illuminated, and U lo and
42:06
Speaker 1: behold it's connected to Mr Cohen and UH in his
42:10
Speaker 1: in his court pleadings and had actually admitted that he
42:14
Speaker 1: realized that the call was in it Burton. The next morning,
42:17
Speaker 1: when he UH was dismissing me, he made comments about
42:20
Speaker 1: how busy Gina was in the conversation made made made
42:24
Speaker 1: comments about my wife, which I thought was extremely inappropriate.
42:28
Speaker 1: Time wait wait wait wait wait, David Golden Shoe run
42:32
Speaker 1: Georgia lawyer, David, what did the boss say about the wife? Gina? No,
42:38
Speaker 1: that part is not in the platys Um Nancy, um
42:42
Speaker 1: what what? What we have here is the situation where
42:46
Speaker 1: some comments were made that they were not unkind comments,
42:51
Speaker 1: they were perhaps unflattering, um, and they were primarily made
42:55
Speaker 1: by Gina and because James apparently didn't want to defend
43:01
Speaker 1: his boss in front of his uh while while having
43:04
Speaker 1: a private conversation with his wife, UM, a very insecure
43:09
Speaker 1: boss decided decided to make a decision to determinate James.
43:14
Speaker 1: And what's amazing about it is the Attorney General's office
43:17
Speaker 1: approved the decision in advance, not even realized that what
43:21
Speaker 1: what the boss had done was a felony under Georgia laws.
43:25
Speaker 1: But dialing has just gone from annoying to alarming because
43:32
Speaker 1: a man has been fired after his boss. Here's a
43:37
Speaker 1: butt dial. Now, you do know that a previous court
43:43
Speaker 1: has ruled an airport executive who accidentally calls a colleague
43:48
Speaker 1: used the overheard conversation against him and there was no
43:51
Speaker 1: right to privacy. That was a Kentucky airport case, right.
43:57
Speaker 1: But there's there's a very interesting thing. The way that
44:00
Speaker 1: that story is is um is reported is actually inaccurate.
44:06
Speaker 1: Said in that case was that, first of all, it
44:10
Speaker 1: was a federal statute much narrower than Georgia's. Second, they
44:13
Speaker 1: said that while the dialer the the pocket dialer does
44:18
Speaker 1: not have her expectation of right to privacy. In that case,
44:22
Speaker 1: they found that the wife his wife that he was
44:24
Speaker 1: talking to did have an expectation, and she did have
44:28
Speaker 1: a claim under federal law against the people that listened
44:32
Speaker 1: into the conversation, So that court actually found it in
44:36
Speaker 1: this case. Gina very clearly, if it were the federal
44:39
Speaker 1: statute we were pursuing, would have a claim they they were,
44:44
Speaker 1: they were less friendly to the person in James situation.
44:47
Speaker 1: But again, the Georgia statute is much broader than the
44:51
Speaker 1: federal statute, and I think it would encompass some James
44:55
Speaker 1: right as well. But Gina is the one who's really
44:58
Speaker 1: hurt here from remember when this conversation was over and
45:02
Speaker 1: then he got fired the next day. Gina is the
45:05
Speaker 1: one standing there saying, oh my gosh, did I say
45:09
Speaker 1: something that got my husband of thirty years fired? She
45:13
Speaker 1: is the one with the guilt trips. He'd only had
45:15
Speaker 1: the job two years, but here he is in a
45:18
Speaker 1: dream job for him, and his wife now has to
45:23
Speaker 1: deal with the guilt and the the stress, et cetera
45:28
Speaker 1: of of something perhaps she has said has gotten her
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Speaker 1: husband terminated. And as we said, what she said was
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Speaker 1: not unkind, but perhaps it wasn't very flattering. But that's
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Speaker 1: about it. Oh Okay, so not unkind, but unflattering, like
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Speaker 1: did she call him a jackass? Didn't go that far.
45:49
Speaker 1: Gina Stevens doesn't have that any So if it didn't
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Speaker 1: go that far, I mean, maybe it's just my my
45:54
Speaker 1: view on the world having handled Felony's murders in in
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Speaker 1: apes and child list stations. I mean, I just expect
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Speaker 1: that people are going to grumble about their boss, Gina Stevens.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a very heavy burden for you to carry, Yes,
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Speaker 1: mam it he is. Um My, my husband was two
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Speaker 1: years away from having his estate retirement through the State
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Speaker 1: of Georgia, because though he had been at this job
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Speaker 1: two years, he had been with the state for eight years,
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Speaker 1: and um, so he enjoyed his job very much and
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Speaker 1: trying to retire there. And so I feel very guilty
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Speaker 1: that something that I said caused him to lose his job.
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Speaker 1: And Gina, let me ask you a question. I want
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Speaker 1: you to put yourself in the boss's shoes. You know
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Speaker 1: what you said. Would you have fired somebody over that?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Absolutely not. I mean, Gina, I would have
46:54
Speaker 1: used that time for self reflection and I would not
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Speaker 1: have fired someone from that. Ashley Willcot you know, I
46:59
Speaker 1: was with the the SAIDs for three years and then
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Speaker 1: a felony prosecutor in state court for ten years, and
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Speaker 1: I missed the retirement. She's talking about you vest after
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Speaker 1: ten years. I missed it by about ten days. So
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Speaker 1: I didn't vest when I left the d a's office
47:21
Speaker 1: to go to court TV. I sure did, but there
47:27
Speaker 1: was a new, newly elected d A. And and I
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Speaker 1: mean that was it for me, and there was nothing
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Speaker 1: I could do about it. That's a lot, what Gina
47:37
Speaker 1: and James are saying about the retirement. That's a lot
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Speaker 1: to lose. It is significant, Nancy. I worked for the
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Speaker 1: state for a three year appointment period and loved it.
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Speaker 1: But let me just say this. You're working for the state,
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Speaker 1: you have your pension, you have your plans, you have
47:52
Speaker 1: a job that is your dream job, and then you
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Speaker 1: lose it because it sounds to me like a boss
47:58
Speaker 1: got his feelings hurt is really uh, destroys not only
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Speaker 1: the employee but their entire family over her feelings. Well
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Speaker 1: here's the other thing, David. You know what, David Golden,
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Speaker 1: She let me go to your client, James and your clients,
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Speaker 1: James and Gene James Stevens. When I first heard this
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Speaker 1: and the the content was not in there like what
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Speaker 1: you were talking about, I'm like, oh, my stars, they
48:26
Speaker 1: must have been doing a dope deal. They must have
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Speaker 1: been talking about robbing a seven eleven or burying a body.
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Speaker 1: It's nothing like that at all. And it wasn't you talking.
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Speaker 1: Your wife had a few choice words about your boss.
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Speaker 1: Am I understanding this correctly, James, Yes, ma'am. That's that's
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Speaker 1: that's how, that's how the reality of it was, Yes, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: and her her and her phone did not initiate the call,
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Speaker 1: and she was in the primacy of of of our home.
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Speaker 1: And regrettably, the state attorney has actually taken the position
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Speaker 1: that um, not only uh was it okay to fire
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Speaker 1: me when he had you know, I'm not sure if
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Speaker 1: he was told that where the information came from. But
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Speaker 1: it's it's alarming that your First Amendment right and your
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Speaker 1: privacy right could could end in in something that impacts
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Speaker 1: your family in such a devastating manner. This just doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem right to me. Dove David Golden Shoe, Rome, Georgia lawyer.
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Speaker 1: Where does the case stand right now? Data? Well, UM,
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Speaker 1: one thing, one thing. I'll interject and answer your question.
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Speaker 1: What was said in the conversation was factually accurate. Not
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Speaker 1: particularly pleasing to hear, but factually accurate. As far as
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Speaker 1: where the case stands, UM, the the Attorney General's Office
49:58
Speaker 1: UH will be filing an other set of pleadings responding
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Speaker 1: to that. Their reply breries in response to us, they
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Speaker 1: have moved to dismiss the case on the very unseemly
50:09
Speaker 1: grounds that while um Mr Cohen was committing this felony,
50:14
Speaker 1: that because the conversation he overheard had something to do
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Speaker 1: with work, then he was acting in his official capacity
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Speaker 1: as a director of a state agency and therefore is
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Speaker 1: quote with immunity. I want to point out we did
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Speaker 1: not sue the state. We're not looking for one penny
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Speaker 1: from the state. We did not claim that any act
50:37
Speaker 1: he did was an official act. Were suing him directly
50:41
Speaker 1: simply to hold this man accountable for the crime that
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Speaker 1: he committed. Yet the Attorney General, which started off by
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Speaker 1: making giving bad advice in this case we suspect, has
50:53
Speaker 1: now come in perhaps trying to cover up that um
50:58
Speaker 1: that mistake they made, and is defending him and is
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Speaker 1: claiming that the sovereign immunity of the State of Georgia
51:05
Speaker 1: protects this state director from the crime that he committed
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Speaker 1: in this case, and then, of course, the complete immoral
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Speaker 1: act of terminating James Well, I tell you this much,
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Speaker 1: David Golden Shoe. If you and James Stevens and Gina
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Speaker 1: Stevens could get over the initial hump, you can get
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Speaker 1: this to a jury. You guys would win this case
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Speaker 1: in front of a jury. I'm just telling you that much.
51:36
Speaker 1: If you can get past a directed verdict, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: I really think you would win this case before a jury.
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Speaker 1: With me, James Stephens, Gina Stevens, and David Golden Shoe,
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Speaker 1: the case goes on Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,