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2-year-old tot boy & mommy snuggle on the sofa, shot dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Last night, I was on the sofa with my two children, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy, and we were watching the Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: and the commercials and all the fanfare surrounding it, and
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Speaker 1: it was a great evening. Not true for everyone. A
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Speaker 1: little two year old boy sitting on his sofa in
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Speaker 1: his home shot dead. And I want to know who
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Speaker 1: did it. Don't really care why, but I want them
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Speaker 1: to face Lady Justice. Birmingham Police now investigating a double
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Speaker 1: shooting of a mother in her two year old. The
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Speaker 1: shooter is on the run. This morning, police tell us
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Speaker 1: the mother will be okay. The toddler is currently in
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Speaker 1: serious condition. Investigators say they were hit when bullets shot
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Speaker 1: into their apartment on John Brian Road in Winona. Birmingham
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Speaker 1: Police asking anybody with information to please come forward. I'm
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Speaker 1: asking you the same thing. Two zero five two five
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Speaker 1: four one seven six four repeat two zero five, two
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Speaker 1: five four one seven six four or two zero five
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Speaker 1: two five four seven seven seven seven. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends at w VTM thirteen. That was Rick
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Speaker 1: Carl describing the most horrific scenario a parent can face.
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Speaker 1: You're there with your child, shooting occurs. Do you hear
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Speaker 1: the gun fire, you realize your shot and your baby,
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Speaker 1: your two year old baby boy is shot, and then
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Speaker 1: you live of the baby dies with me and I'll
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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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Speaker 1: together again. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining me out
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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her aunt Angela Arnold, MD,
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Speaker 1: dot com Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a hit series
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Speaker 1: now on the True Crime Network Poisonous Liaison's Death. Investigator
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. New guests joining us today, Christopher Stokes,
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Speaker 1: a well known Georgia attorney at Stokes at Law dot com,
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Speaker 1: but first to Crime Online dot com investigative reporter, also
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Speaker 1: with Lead Stories dot Com. Alexis Terres. Alexis, you have
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Speaker 1: s I call a baby boy. It's not really a
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Speaker 1: baby anymore. But can you even imagine? You remember all
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Speaker 1: you went through when you had the baby, You had
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Speaker 1: the collapsed along, you had all kinds of difficulties, you
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Speaker 1: nearly died. I remember sitting there in the hospital in
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Speaker 1: La praying to God you would come through, and you did.
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Speaker 1: Can you even imagine after all that. You're sitting on
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Speaker 1: your own sofa, minding your own business and you hear
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Speaker 1: gunfire ring out. That's what this family is going through
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Speaker 1: right now. But you give me the fact, selectus what
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Speaker 1: exactly happened. I'm having a hard time understanding how a
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Speaker 1: baby dies from a gunshot wound sitting on his own
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Speaker 1: sofa with mommy. So little Major Turner, two years old,
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Speaker 1: cuteifuttle child. You have ever seen he and his mom,
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Speaker 1: They had dinner, They sit down on the sofa to
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Speaker 1: kind of calm down, get him ready for dinner. And
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Speaker 1: they're lying there together and all of a sudden, they
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Speaker 1: called it, a hail of fire comes flying into their
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Speaker 1: home through a window. Ten bullets were shot. Okay, right there,
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Speaker 1: Hold on now, Christopher Stokes is joining me with the
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Speaker 1: Stokes at Law dot com firm Stokes Law Firm. Christopher Stokes,
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Speaker 1: a good defense attorney, would probably is probably gonna once
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Speaker 1: I find the guy that did this, and I guarantee
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Speaker 1: you it's a guy. Statistically speaking, it's always a guy
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Speaker 1: that does this kind of crime. It's gonna say, well,
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Speaker 1: this was random, didn't mean to shoot this little boy,
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Speaker 1: a two year old top But the reality is Christopher Stokes. Hey,
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Speaker 1: we don't know if it was random and b there's
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Speaker 1: something in the law called a dark and malignant heart,
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Speaker 1: wild abandoned, such as driving through a street fair at
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Speaker 1: ninety miles an hour. You're gonna hit somebody but you
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Speaker 1: don't care. That is also murder one, is it not
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Speaker 1: Christopher Stokes? I think it is Nancy. I mean that's
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Speaker 1: the prey. Then different you having intent to kill somebody
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Speaker 1: if you're shooting off ten rounds, well, you know that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what a prosecutor is going to argue implied intent
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Speaker 1: Under the law. There is explicit intent. For instance, if
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Speaker 1: I take a gun and say I'm gonna kill you
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Speaker 1: Jackie Bam, or if I just start wildly shooting my
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Speaker 1: oozy in the studio, that is implied intent. Like my
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Speaker 1: implication what I'm doing is so insane, I know I'm
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Speaker 1: going to kill somebody. Guys, we were talking about this
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Speaker 1: beautiful and I mean beautiful. I'm looking at a picture
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Speaker 1: of him right now. It's one of the most recent
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Speaker 1: shots of two year old Major Turner. He was shot
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Speaker 1: inside a Birmingham apartment. His mother also wounded. They're sitting
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Speaker 1: on the sofa and somebody had just taken a picture
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Speaker 1: of him wearing a little crown and holding a scepter.
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Speaker 1: It must have been his birthday picture. And he's got
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Speaker 1: on this cute little suit. I could not get my
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Speaker 1: son to wear a suit at all. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: just recently happened, and this little boy is just beautiful.
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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to take in what has happened.
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Speaker 1: So Alexis you said ten rounds, correct? Ten bullets and
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Speaker 1: bullets just through the windows. There were several more. They
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Speaker 1: might have been at least two through the front door.
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Speaker 1: So they're sitting there, lying down on the sofa, snuggled up,
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Speaker 1: and the baby is hit with the bullets, as is
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Speaker 1: the mom. Take a listen to this, guys. These are
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Speaker 1: our friends at w VTM thirteen. This is Xavier Harris,
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Speaker 1: an innocent life cut short. Police say two year old
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Speaker 1: Major Turner and his mother were inside this home on
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Speaker 1: John Bryant Drive Thursday night when shots were fired, hitting
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Speaker 1: them both. The two were taken to the hospital and
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of hours fighting for his life, and
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Speaker 1: he did not make it tonight. Police are still on
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Speaker 1: high alert patrolling the community searching for the gunman trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out the reason behind the census killing too.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan joining me Death Investigator and you can
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Speaker 1: find him online start of a brand new series, Poisonous
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Speaker 1: Liaisons on True Crime Network. Joe Scott, have you taken
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Speaker 1: a look at the apartment, because I'm looking at it
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Speaker 1: right now. You see there's a grassy lot of grassy area,
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Speaker 1: well kept sidewalks, street lights, which is very very important.
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Speaker 1: Have you look at this, Jackie, A lot of high
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Speaker 1: powered street night lights. And it's also significant in the
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Speaker 1: picture I'm looking at is of that night because I
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Speaker 1: see the yellow crime scene tape. Not a lot of cars,
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Speaker 1: but significant. Joe Scott Morgan. I see kind of a
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Speaker 1: like a clubhouse or something where you know, any security
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Speaker 1: consultant will tell you don't have a playhouse, a treehouse,
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Speaker 1: any structure in your backyard that's a place where people
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Speaker 1: can hide. But more significant to me is these are
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Speaker 1: two story home apartment say look kind of like townhouses.
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Speaker 1: They're not very dense. I'd say there maybe eighty maybe
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Speaker 1: one hundred apartments there, but significant from what I can see,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, the bedrooms and a bathroom are on the
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Speaker 1: top level. The downstairs level would be the den, kitchen,
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Speaker 1: maybe a bathroom down there. That would be where the
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Speaker 1: sofa would be. Remember Alexis just said they had had
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Speaker 1: dinner and they were on the sofa, and that's where
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Speaker 1: they would be. I'm looking at the windows, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: and they on the bottom level are easily accessible from
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Speaker 1: the road. You can walk right up to them if
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Speaker 1: you want to. Yeah, you can, and it's all fully exposed,
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Speaker 1: as you stated, Nancy, let me tell you why don't
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Speaker 1: simply based on fiscal elevens, why I do not believe
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Speaker 1: that this is a random shooting. And if you look
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Speaker 1: at the two windows there, they're side by side, and
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Speaker 1: roughly they look their dimensions look like they're about four
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Speaker 1: feet in height, probably about five feet in width, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: you say, about four feet off the ground the lower Yeah,
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Speaker 1: three and a half to four feet. It's easy. It's
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Speaker 1: easy enough to stand there at waist level and peer
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Speaker 1: in through those windows. You can see everything, and particularly
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Speaker 1: if it's illuminated or remember they're watching TV, so there's
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Speaker 1: going to be a light if if all the other
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Speaker 1: lights are off, you can still see what's going on
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Speaker 1: inside of the house. That's why you need to keep
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Speaker 1: your curtains pulled. But the fact that these defects, these
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Speaker 1: holes in these screens are so concentrated in that specific area.
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Speaker 1: I've worked a lot of dry by shootings in my career, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and you used to call it prey and spray, and
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Speaker 1: you would have a line of bullets that would go
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Speaker 1: down an apartment complex. This ain't what happened here. You
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Speaker 1: have a concentrated area in the small defined space, and
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Speaker 1: you've also got rounds according to Electus that passed through
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Speaker 1: the door. That means that whoever fired these rounds was
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Speaker 1: after somebody in side of that apartment. In my opinion,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at the apartments and from what
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Speaker 1: I can tell, each door has is attached to one
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Speaker 1: one parcel of windows, a double column of windows. My
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Speaker 1: point is the door. You've got the door, and right
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Speaker 1: beside it are the windows. So hitting that door and
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Speaker 1: hitting the windows in one single spray is entirely possible. Also,
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Speaker 1: you go down about six more feet and there's another
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Speaker 1: double window and another door maybe ten feet, So it's
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Speaker 1: again again try to get this in your mind. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of a town home, two story apartment from what
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Speaker 1: I can tell, and the door and the window both
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Speaker 1: took fire. At first. Joe Scott Morgan, I was thinking,
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Speaker 1: could it have been a ricochet? But the statistic, the
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Speaker 1: statistical probably ability of the mother and the son both
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Speaker 1: getting shot by ricochet is very, very improbable. It's very
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Speaker 1: low that both of these were shot by ricochet. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about a
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Speaker 1: brutal killing that took the life of a two year
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Speaker 1: old little boy. His name is Major Turner. He's just beautiful,
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Speaker 1: beautiful little boy, big perfect smile. You can tell he's
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Speaker 1: very well cared for. His hair is perfectly done, and
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Speaker 1: in the many photos I've seen, he's always perfectly dressed out.
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Speaker 1: That does not mean he's has not been subjected to
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Speaker 1: any hard times, but I've seen no indication this child
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Speaker 1: was anything but love. But now that child is dead,
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Speaker 1: Mommy also shot. Take a listen to our friend Rick
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Speaker 1: Carl at WVTM thirteen. Birmingham police investigating a deadly double shooting,
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Speaker 1: one that claimed the life of a toddler. The Jefferson
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Speaker 1: County Corner's Office now identifying the two year old as
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Speaker 1: Major Turner. Investigators say the little boy and his mother
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Speaker 1: were shot last night inside their apartment over on John
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Speaker 1: Bryant Road. Police aren't sure if they were the intended victims,
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Speaker 1: while also shot. The mother is expected to recover. So far,
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Speaker 1: no arrests made in the case. Birmingham Police, by the way,
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Speaker 1: asking anybody with information to please come forward. So what
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Speaker 1: we're looking at is a murder charge, most likely a
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Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter charge, maybe an involuntary But if I were
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Speaker 1: trying this, I would not include in volunteering. You can
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Speaker 1: get straight probation for that, forget it. And an attempted
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Speaker 1: murder on the mother and and aggravated assault putting someone
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Speaker 1: in fear of immediately immediate bodily injury. With me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel, I want to go to doctor Angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold's psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: MD dot com. To me, it doesn't matter if they
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Speaker 1: meant to shoot into this particular window, or they were
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Speaker 1: joy riding and shot the gun up in the air
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Speaker 1: or so they thought. Doesn't matter to me because under
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Speaker 1: the law, you can intend to kill a certain person,
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Speaker 1: or you can do an act. As Christopher Stokes, an
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Speaker 1: attorney at law joining us at Stokes Law stated, it's
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Speaker 1: something so depraved that it equals murder one under the law.
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Speaker 1: So why should we care? And who in the world
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Speaker 1: would shoot a gun and a pact apartment complex like this?
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. And also Nancy, it still has the
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Speaker 1: same outcome for the mother who has lost this child.
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Speaker 1: The loss of a child is the ultimate tragedy that
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Speaker 1: someone can suffer. Tell me that, tell me there's so
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Speaker 1: much there's an injustice in it. The mother is going
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Speaker 1: to grieve forever because Nancy, she is not going to
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Speaker 1: get to do what she has given her life to do,
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Speaker 1: and that is to raise this child. So there will
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Speaker 1: be an emptiness inside of her forever because of the
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Speaker 1: loss of her sweet little baby, you know. Back to you,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Terrest joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: She also is with lead Stories dot Com. Alexis, you
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Speaker 1: and I knew each other before we had children, remember
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Speaker 1: way back when, and I'm sure that both of us
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Speaker 1: thought we knew everything there was to know about love,
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Speaker 1: and then we had children, and then there's really no
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Speaker 1: question that. Sorry David, if you're listening, that the twins
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Speaker 1: aren't the loves of my life. There's just really no
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Speaker 1: question about it. So when you think about I mean, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: everything changes. There's no doubt in my mind. I would
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Speaker 1: rather die than my children be harmed. And this mother
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Speaker 1: now has to live with I guess I need to
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Speaker 1: shrink on this all a survivor guilt that we were
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Speaker 1: both shot. My baby died and I lived. Why was
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Speaker 1: it my fault? Well, she's going to deal with that
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Speaker 1: the rest of her life. What I'm trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out was neighbors are saying eight to ten shots were fired,
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Speaker 1: but how many actually went into that apartment Alexis. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how many actually went into the apartment, But
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Speaker 1: what you can see from the picture of the window
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Speaker 1: is that there are if you kind of count them up,
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Speaker 1: it looks like about ten bullet holes. And you know,
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Speaker 1: if you're not used to seeing crime scene or anything,
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Speaker 1: if it's such a jarring photo to me, even if
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Speaker 1: somebody who has seen lots of crime scene, because these
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Speaker 1: holes are actual bulletholes, and you know that they hit
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Speaker 1: a little boy who was in his mother's arms, and
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Speaker 1: that's even more than anything else, Like you are holding
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Speaker 1: your child when he is shot and killed, holding them
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Speaker 1: on your sofa, the safest place you can ever think
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Speaker 1: of inside your home, on your sofa, probably watching Paw Patrol,
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Speaker 1: which is what my child still watches. You know what
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about when you said that, when
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Speaker 1: you said it was so jarring to see that photo.
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Speaker 1: Alexis to you, doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining me
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction today, when she says it's jarring,
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Speaker 1: I find the dichotomy of the mother with the baby
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Speaker 1: on the sofa. And you know, doctor Angie, you and
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Speaker 1: I've talked about this. I cook at least five nights
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Speaker 1: a week, and we have dinner and don't give me
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Speaker 1: too much credit, a lot of his croppot, and I
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Speaker 1: understand some people look down on that anyway. Then what
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Speaker 1: we do. Homework has done, everything is done, and we
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Speaker 1: sit down and I stream something that would be good
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Speaker 1: for them to watch, and I'm just that's our nightly
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Speaker 1: routine and then they go to bed. The juxtaposition that
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Speaker 1: domestic scene and all that love right just shattered my
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Speaker 1: gunshots to actually hit the baby. So so that being said, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this poor woman is going to have to somehow survive
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Speaker 1: the loss of her child. How how do you do that?
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Speaker 1: She's going to have to have some sort of dedication
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Speaker 1: to life because she is never and it sounds like
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Speaker 1: she was a really good mom, fixing dinner, having the
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Speaker 1: child's laying down with her, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: all of this. It's such an injustice. She's going to
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Speaker 1: forever have feelings of injustice over this, that something they
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Speaker 1: were in the safety of their home and killed. I
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Speaker 1: don't think there could be anything worse, Nancy, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure alexis to us shut if the baby died
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Speaker 1: on the scene or if he was transported to the
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Speaker 1: hospital when he died. But let's be real, justice got
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Speaker 1: more gun death investigator. How much can you really do
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Speaker 1: in an ambulance? I mean, I know MTS saved lives
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Speaker 1: every day, but with a shot. I understand the shot
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Speaker 1: was to the neck. How much can they really do
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Speaker 1: to save the baby other than hanging ivy and get
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Speaker 1: them to the hospital as quickly as possible. Not much
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Speaker 1: other than applying direct pressure to the wound. Because you know,
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Speaker 1: in the field, God bless him, paramedics, they've actually saved
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Speaker 1: my life on two occasions. There's there's nothing really invasive.
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Speaker 1: They can do it scene what I mean by that
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Speaker 1: even any kind of minor surgery, much less something major
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Speaker 1: that involves all of these vessel routes that are located
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Speaker 1: in our neck. And so they have to and it
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Speaker 1: was they went to Alabama Children's Healthcare Center and from
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Speaker 1: their address, Nancy, where Major was shot, it's about a
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Speaker 1: twenty minute drive. Now, of course that's on a normal day.
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Speaker 1: You've got an ambulance running lights and sirens. But time
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Speaker 1: is of the essence, so you want to try to
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Speaker 1: get them to the hospital as quickly as possible, so
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Speaker 1: you can get a trauma team in there and to
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Speaker 1: stem the bleeding first, and then from there you go
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Speaker 1: on and try to stabilize, and then of course, if
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Speaker 1: you can get to it, you try to take that
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Speaker 1: round out of the wound. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the death. I'm just a beautiful
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Speaker 1: baby boy, just two years old, on the sofa with
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Speaker 1: mommy when shots ring out unexpected. Neighbors say they're here,
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Speaker 1: eight to ten rounds fired, both mommy and child shot.
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Speaker 1: Mommy lives, baby dies right now, manhunt for whom ever
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Speaker 1: did this deed? Take a listen now to our friends
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Speaker 1: at ABC. This is Byron Khalil. Two year old Major
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Speaker 1: Turner died early Friday morning. Major and his mother were
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Speaker 1: shot Thursday evening by someone who was outside their apartment
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Speaker 1: building on John Bryant Road and Winona. One neighbor, who
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Speaker 1: asked that we not show her face, told us what
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Speaker 1: she heard out of ten I heard about about four
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Speaker 1: or five rounds of shots, and and then I turned
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Speaker 1: my TV off and I roll thowing in. Some believe
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood needs more of a police presence. You need
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Speaker 1: multiletiction round here, police protection this night, end day. Mirror
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Speaker 1: Woodfin says he is prepared to do what it takes
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Speaker 1: to solve this crime. First of all, do we never
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Speaker 1: watch this terrest Chuck. Was the shooter on foot or
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Speaker 1: in a car? Probably don't know yet. It seems that
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Speaker 1: they were in a car because there was no one around,
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Speaker 1: you know, nobody like may outside and grab them. But
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Speaker 1: the police have not. I don't think they know yet.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've looked at the apartment complex very carefully,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, and I can't tell if I see cameras
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Speaker 1: or not. I can see a lot of street lights,
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Speaker 1: if there were cameras, they may have gotten an image,
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Speaker 1: but I can't see whether there are cameras or not. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and in these more large or larger apartment complexes like this,
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Speaker 1: you don't know how old it is this sort of thing,
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Speaker 1: so you don't know if the technology is going to
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Speaker 1: be up to snuff. I think that what Birmingham PDE
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Speaker 1: is going to need to do, and probably what they've
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Speaker 1: already done, is up and down the avenue that leads
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Speaker 1: into this area. You might have any number of convenience
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Speaker 1: stores or storage facilities or places like that that do
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Speaker 1: have cameras. If a person was on foot, if there
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Speaker 1: were in a vehicle, maybe you can capture a tag
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Speaker 1: off of a license plate, or maybe you can have
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Speaker 1: some facial features that are recognizable. But I can tell
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Speaker 1: you this, Nancy, the individual that did this is very,
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Speaker 1: very familiar with this location. It wouldn't surprise me if
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Speaker 1: they could evade any kind of observation so that they
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Speaker 1: were motivated and the shows in this end result. The
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Speaker 1: Birmingham Police Chief Patrick Smith says that they believe there
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Speaker 1: is video evidence in the case, which is why they're
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Speaker 1: asking the community for help now. Right there, alexis trust Chuck.
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Speaker 1: That's a double edged sort. I'm hearing two interpretations. One
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Speaker 1: we have video evidence and two we need your help
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Speaker 1: and amassing video evidence. So do they have it or
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Speaker 1: do they believe it's out there and they've got to
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Speaker 1: get it. It sounds like the latter to me. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like. It sounds like they're hoping
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Speaker 1: that maybe a neighbor that lives three houses down has
23:04
Speaker 1: a ring camera on their doorbell and that they saw it,
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Speaker 1: or that somebody else has a camera that was facing
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Speaker 1: this way. But it doesn't sound like they're not saying, well,
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Speaker 1: we have the security footage from across the street and
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Speaker 1: it looked like this is a description of a car,
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Speaker 1: or that is the description of a person. They are
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Speaker 1: asking for help. But I do want to point out,
23:23
Speaker 1: you know, the mayor has called these guys the people
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Speaker 1: that have done his punks. He has really been pretty
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Speaker 1: adamant about. I really appreciate that the mayor call them punks,
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Speaker 1: which they probably are, but I call them murderers. And
23:38
Speaker 1: I'd like to see fewer words and more action in
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Speaker 1: finding this person. You know, the guy statistically, it's a
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Speaker 1: guy it's familiar with the area, just as just got
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Speaker 1: Morgan said, but I guarantee you he was not alone.
23:57
Speaker 1: If this guy was in a car, you know somebody
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Speaker 1: who's in that car with him. Straight back out to
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Speaker 1: Christopher Stokes Attorney joining me from the Stokes Law firm
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Speaker 1: at Stokes at Law dot com. We've been saying did
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Speaker 1: they know the victims? Or was this a drive by shooting?
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Speaker 1: Was it random? But the reality is motive is never
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Speaker 1: required under the law. Do you agree or disagree or
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Speaker 1: would you Christopher Stokes use lack of motive as a
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Speaker 1: way to reduce the crime to voluntary manslaughter? No, no, Nancy.
24:34
Speaker 1: I think that, as I said, when you're shooting that
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Speaker 1: many times into an apartment, regardless of the motive, jardless
24:42
Speaker 1: of your reason, you were there to harm someone, whether
24:46
Speaker 1: you intended to hit that apartment or you hit it
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Speaker 1: by mistake because you thought you were shooting at someone
24:52
Speaker 1: else's apartment. And in the end, I think what this
24:55
Speaker 1: is going to boil down to in terms of solving
24:57
Speaker 1: it is someone coming forward. Someone knows who these people are. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and Christopher Stokes, if some guy had an AX to
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Speaker 1: grind with the mom for instance, that would be out
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Speaker 1: there family and friends. The mom herself would be talking
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Speaker 1: about that, and we haven't heard that at all. So
25:18
Speaker 1: it seems to me like it is going to be
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Speaker 1: someone who may be shooting at random, and you're saying
25:26
Speaker 1: that motive is irrelevant. I think. I mean, we have
25:31
Speaker 1: here someone who has shot up a play without any
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Speaker 1: concern for human life. Oh, Christopher Stokes, let me tell
25:37
Speaker 1: you something. I was once prosecuting a case. There were
25:40
Speaker 1: two defendants and it was a murder case, and one
25:44
Speaker 1: of the defendants lawyer actually tried to argue transferred intent.
25:50
Speaker 1: I don't think they realize that's not a legal theory
25:53
Speaker 1: under the law. It was basically, oh, you know what,
25:56
Speaker 1: I meant to shoot you, Christopher Stokes, but I accidentally
25:59
Speaker 1: shot Jackie. My intent was to murder you. That it's
26:03
Speaker 1: so bast achwards because if you intend to murder anybody
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Speaker 1: and you fire a weapon, it's still murder even if
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Speaker 1: you got the wrong person. That's correct. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, guys, we are analyzing the clues left behind
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Speaker 1: in the shooting of a young mother and her two
26:31
Speaker 1: year old baby boy, Major Turner. As of right now,
26:36
Speaker 1: no arrests have been made. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Birmingham police are working to find whoever is responsible for
26:45
Speaker 1: shooting into his family's home Thursday night, killing Major and
26:49
Speaker 1: injuring his mom. Howard says they had just finished dinner
26:53
Speaker 1: and her close friend was getting her boys in bed
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Speaker 1: for the night. Didn't this thing? You know this one?
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Speaker 1: And she heard gunshot since she tried to take cover
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Speaker 1: and protect her kids. The bish too. When Howard flipped
27:06
Speaker 1: through pictures Friday, her heart broke a little bit more.
27:10
Speaker 1: But she hopes when you see Major's sweet smile, it'll
27:14
Speaker 1: push you to help police solve this case. I don't
27:17
Speaker 1: know who, that's what I'm hoping that this interbury will
27:21
Speaker 1: help dead person come until only still they should feel
27:25
Speaker 1: bad for taking a sweet baby life away. And Howard
27:31
Speaker 1: says his mom has been released from the hospital after
27:34
Speaker 1: she was injured in that shooting. In the last update
27:37
Speaker 1: from Birmingham Police, they say no suspects are in custody.
27:40
Speaker 1: No suspects in custody, according to Randy Hilldreath at w
27:44
Speaker 1: BRC that's Fox six Now, I want you to take
27:48
Speaker 1: a listen to the Birmingham Mayor, Randall wood Fenn. This
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Speaker 1: is not the time to be silent, and for anybody
27:56
Speaker 1: that has information or it is harboring this person or
27:59
Speaker 1: people will show into this house, Shame on you, the
28:03
Speaker 1: person or the people that did this, or cowards or punks.
28:07
Speaker 1: This is not a way to solve issues. And when
28:09
Speaker 1: an innocent child is killed, do the right thing. And
28:13
Speaker 1: so I'm asking the entire community. I'm asking the press
28:17
Speaker 1: and everyone else stop what you're doing today. Give this
28:23
Speaker 1: all of your attention and any information you have to
28:27
Speaker 1: bring any form of justice to this family. To major
28:31
Speaker 1: I'd asked how you do it? Thank you. You know,
28:36
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about my own shoulder right now and
28:40
Speaker 1: trying to keep myself from imagining this happening to them.
28:45
Speaker 1: Straight back out to you. Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan
28:48
Speaker 1: joining us from Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott, what are
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Speaker 1: police doing right now? Because I find it very difficult
28:56
Speaker 1: that nobody has been brought in for questioning. Yeah, they're
29:02
Speaker 1: they're shaking. They're shaking the bushes right now, Nancy. And yeah,
29:06
Speaker 1: no kidding. I gotta tell you, Nancy, I still go
29:10
Speaker 1: back to this idea that this is a targeted event,
29:13
Speaker 1: and I was given this a bit more thought after
29:15
Speaker 1: we were talking about targeting. We've all been talking about random,
29:18
Speaker 1: and now you're taking target I don't think it's random.
29:21
Speaker 1: And this is why I don't think it's random, Nancy.
29:23
Speaker 1: Somebody walked up to that window. Now I don't know
29:25
Speaker 1: if they were right on top of it, but think
29:28
Speaker 1: about the position that Mama and Major were in. They
29:31
Speaker 1: were on sofa. How tall is a sofa? At most,
29:34
Speaker 1: it's probably I don't know, maybe two and a half
29:37
Speaker 1: feet off the ground. If you're laying laying on the sofa,
29:41
Speaker 1: these bullets are going to have downward trajectories. This is
29:43
Speaker 1: not somebody riding by in a car. And these rounds
29:46
Speaker 1: did not pass through a brick wall, Nancy. They passed
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Speaker 1: through a window. So that gives me an indication that
29:53
Speaker 1: whoever fired these rounds when they pulled the trajectories. When
29:56
Speaker 1: they show those you know how on television, people will
29:59
Speaker 1: see the laser that we use in order to pull trajectories.
30:03
Speaker 1: When they pull these trajectories, I can almost guarantee you
30:06
Speaker 1: dollars of donuts, this thing is going to be from
30:09
Speaker 1: above to below in a downward trajectory, striking both Mama
30:15
Speaker 1: and precious Little Major in the neck. Okay, from that height,
30:19
Speaker 1: this is not somebody just randomly driving by. And let
30:21
Speaker 1: me tell you one more thing. You got ten rounds
30:25
Speaker 1: that have been spent out there. This is not a revolver.
30:28
Speaker 1: This is going to be a semi automatic handgun. In
30:31
Speaker 1: my estimation, there will be spent brass, spent casings that
30:35
Speaker 1: are laying around. You remember the grass area we were
30:37
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't think that they would They would
30:40
Speaker 1: have been dismounted and outside of a vehicle when they
30:42
Speaker 1: were firing, so you're gonna have ejective casings. They're just
30:45
Speaker 1: laying out there in the grass. It may have because
30:47
Speaker 1: these people didn't hang around long enough to go back.
30:49
Speaker 1: Do you know there fine found or are you speculating
30:53
Speaker 1: I'm speculating that they would have been, because who's going
30:55
Speaker 1: to stand around and take the Even if you don't
30:59
Speaker 1: found every one of them, By god, you're going to
31:01
Speaker 1: find a couple of them. Abstriations on those cases can
31:04
Speaker 1: be specifically tied back, tied back to the weapon that
31:08
Speaker 1: was used, not to mention the recovers, the ballistics on
31:11
Speaker 1: them that will come back, and that could be enough
31:15
Speaker 1: physical evidence in and of itself to get to warn
31:19
Speaker 1: a conviction in this case. I had been hoping, not
31:23
Speaker 1: that it would really make any difference that this was
31:24
Speaker 1: a drive by shooting at random, but that theory does
31:28
Speaker 1: not necessarily coincide with the trajectory paths of the bullets.
31:33
Speaker 1: Just as you portrayed, this was a downstairs window. They
31:38
Speaker 1: were on the sofa, so I'm not quite sure of
31:41
Speaker 1: the positioning of the sofa in the room, but it
31:44
Speaker 1: would be very difficult to shoot from outside, especially if
31:49
Speaker 1: the sofa was against the wall of the window. That
31:52
Speaker 1: leads me to another question. I remember prosecuting a case
31:56
Speaker 1: where two infants were in there lets. They were lying
32:02
Speaker 1: there and in a revenge act, not on the infants
32:07
Speaker 1: but on the father, the perp through a Molotov cocktail
32:15
Speaker 1: into the window and said, I'm going to fry some babies.
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Speaker 1: Kill both the babies. It was immediate. They burned to death,
32:24
Speaker 1: lying in their little bassies, their bassonets. They actually intended
32:30
Speaker 1: to kill two infants in a revenge act. That happened.
32:38
Speaker 1: I worked the case. So as bizarre as that sounds,
32:43
Speaker 1: why would you do something like that to doctor Angela Arnold.
32:47
Speaker 1: We've seen over and over where, for instance, and a
32:52
Speaker 1: strange husband or boyfriend would kill the baby to get
32:56
Speaker 1: back at the mother, Although we have not heard that
33:00
Speaker 1: as a motive in this case, it's not that far
33:04
Speaker 1: fetched that the child was shot at in revenge on
33:09
Speaker 1: the mother or father. I've seen it happen. It's hard
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Speaker 1: for me to take in, but it happens. Doctor Angela sure,
33:15
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's that far fetched either. But
33:18
Speaker 1: I also think that you would have to assume that
33:21
Speaker 1: whoever did us knew that they were going to be
33:24
Speaker 1: laying on the couch at that time. How did they
33:26
Speaker 1: know that and that the baby was It just sounds
33:28
Speaker 1: like it sounds like this was more of a random
33:32
Speaker 1: act that they came in and just shot up the
33:34
Speaker 1: place and they didn't care who they were going to kill. Guys,
33:37
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at CBS forty two.
33:41
Speaker 1: No suspects have been named at this time, Sherry, but
33:43
Speaker 1: we did speak with Police Chief Patrick Smith late this afternoon,
33:46
Speaker 1: who tells us there could be video evidence in this case,
33:49
Speaker 1: as he and Cydney leaders demand to know who is responsible.
33:53
Speaker 1: Let's give justice to this young baby who's done nothing
33:57
Speaker 1: to no one. Police Chief Patrick's my addressing the issues
34:01
Speaker 1: of gun violence in the city. I mean, let's look
34:04
Speaker 1: at it. Last year we took over twenty five hundred
34:07
Speaker 1: guns off the street, and we're still having shootings. And
34:11
Speaker 1: because of gun violence. Thursday night, a mother suffered life
34:15
Speaker 1: threatened injuries and two year old Major Turner now dead.
34:19
Speaker 1: I can tell you through their tears, through their pain,
34:21
Speaker 1: I'm listening to them. This family is grieving now. It's
34:27
Speaker 1: so easy for us to think, Oh, that could never
34:30
Speaker 1: happen to me, that could never happen in my neighborhood. Well,
34:36
Speaker 1: we'll let me tell you something. Doctor Angela Arnold lives
34:40
Speaker 1: in one of the swankiest neighborhoods I'm sure, in Atlanta,
34:43
Speaker 1: and it was near her neighborhood where a little girl
34:47
Speaker 1: just got shot unintentionally in a drive by shooting near
34:54
Speaker 1: the most expensive designer label mall in the entire region,
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Speaker 1: Phipps Mall. So it does happen in every neighborhood. Let
35:10
Speaker 1: me give you the tip line again. Please please pay attention.
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Speaker 1: Look at the picture a little major and act if
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Speaker 1: you can two zero five two five four seven seven
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Speaker 1: seven seven repeat two zero five two five four seven
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Speaker 1: seven seven seven Our prayers with Little Major and his family. Goodbye, friend,