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- 0:00Are you an
- 0:01order
- 0:01Muppet or a chaos Muppet?
- 0:05if beaker's involved, shit is gonna end up on fire.
- 0:08And Every person is either an order muppet
- 0:12or a chaos muppet.
- 0:35so obviously
- 0:37I work in mental health.
- 0:38I run a mental health company.
- 0:39I have spent a lot of time around incredible clinicians who have taught me.
- 0:45Lots of really amazing things about relationship dynamics and how people
- 0:50interact with each other and how they work together, and how communication works best
- 0:56and what
- 0:57types of personalities tend
- 0:58do
- 0:58well together, et cetera, et cetera.
- 1:01Like
- 1:01all of that is, kind of germane to being in this field
- 1:07and I
- 1:08Have never found a theory more accurate or more appropriate.
- 1:17That helps me describe almost any
- 1:20pair
- 1:20of people quite like this one, which relies on a lot of.
- 1:30understanding of relationship dynamics, that we're.
- 1:33kind
- 1:33crafted
- 1:34by the greatest relationship philosopher of our time.
- 1:41Jim Henson
- 1:42It was an article in, I
- 1:45wanna say slate
- 1:47in
- 1:472013,
- 1:49That still guides pretty much
- 1:50everything.
- 1:51Not everything,
- 1:52but a lot of
- 1:54how I understand relationship dynamics.
- 1:56It
- 1:56is an article called
- 1:59Chaos Theory,
- 2:01A Unified Theory of Muppet Types,
- 2:03and it sorts everybody into one
- 2:07of two camps.
- 2:09Are you an
- 2:10order
- 2:11Muppet or a chaos Muppet?
- 2:14Every
- 2:15Muppet
- 2:17Has their
- 2:18counterbalance in the Muppet universe.
- 2:21Whether they're order
- 2:22chaos that balances
- 2:23out their order or their chaos.
- 2:27Ms. Piggy has Kermit
- 2:29Ms. Piggy,
- 2:30definitely the Chaos.
- 2:31Muppet Kermit
- 2:34Order.
- 2:34Muppet Kermit tries
- 2:36keep
- 2:37things calm until he eventually loses his shit
- 2:40Usually at the hands of Miss
- 2:41Pig.
- 2:43Miss Piggy has no interest in calm, no interest in order, and together they
- 2:49balance each other.
- 2:51Same thing with buns and beaker, Bunsen, calm, scientific,
- 2:58great
- 2:59mind
- 3:00brain's so big.
- 3:02he's bold.
- 3:04Beaker is so chaotic.
- 3:06he can't
- 3:07even speak an established language.
- 3:10He's all meeps and moops.
- 3:12It may be an established language that I'm not familiar with.
- 3:14You're right, that's shortsighted.
- 3:15I should give him more credit than that.
- 3:17But if beaker's involved, shit is gonna end up on fire.
- 3:21And
- 3:22And it's rarely a bun's
- 3:23fault,
- 3:24but
- 3:24they need each other.
- 3:25Abundance needs a beaker and a beaker needs a,
- 3:29We
- 3:29can look at our old pals.
- 3:31Umbert
- 3:32and Ernie, public television's, first out gay couple.
- 3:36but you
- 3:36know
- 3:37that Bert
- 3:39Iron Irons, his underwear, you know, he does.
- 3:41if you got the
- 3:42reference,
- 3:43get at
- 3:44me where the reference is from.
- 3:45You know, besties.
- 3:47If you got that reference and Ernie has probably never done laundry in his life.
- 3:52He's wearing the same shirt.
- 3:53They
- 3:54They
- 3:54need each other.
- 3:56This is not just a theory of Muppets.
- 3:59Your life is probably
- 4:00guided by Muppet Chaos Theory in my house.
- 4:04I am the Order Muppet.
- 4:06My husband is unmitigated
- 4:08chaos.
- 4:09Muppet,
- 4:10my
- 4:10husband has never met a plan
- 4:12he could
- 4:12tolerate.
- 4:14I
- 4:14am like all plans.
- 4:15I'm only plans.
- 4:17That gives me an idea.
- 4:18I'm gonna walk.
- 4:19I'm gonna walk away from
- 4:20I'm gonna walk
- 4:20away from that, but I'm gonna come back to it later.
- 4:22I'm gonna come back to it later.
- 4:25Okay.
- 4:26I'm just saying.
- 4:27I'm just saying
- 4:28a
- 4:29service to watch
- 4:30people build spreadsheets and call it only plans.
- 4:33Anyway, that just came to me.
- 4:36Trademark.
- 4:37I'm trademarking that step
- 4:39away.
- 4:39Internet.
- 4:40Anyway,
- 4:41My husband is all chaos.
- 4:43He only has chaos.
- 4:45It's all he is capable of.
- 4:47we balance each other mostly, sometimes, occasionally.
- 4:53if I look at my brother and my sister-in-law,
- 4:55he
- 4:56is all chaos Muppet.
- 4:57He is only chaos Muppet.
- 4:59She is all order Muppet.
- 5:01That's all.
- 5:01She's got all order.
- 5:04Sometimes a chaos muppet can become an order Muppet often when order muppets
- 5:09get pushed to the brink of insanity and become full chaos muppets by just
- 5:15like going full.
- 5:17angry Kermit and smashing things with flailing
- 5:20puppet arms.
- 5:21That does happen, but it usually requires a
- 5:24catalyst.
- 5:25Every person is either an order muppet
- 5:28or a chaos muppet.
- 5:29once you start
- 5:30understanding this, your understanding of relationship dynamics will change.
- 5:34Fundamentally,
- 5:36it's so important.
- 5:37This is how I judge all
- 5:39relationships.
- 5:40My children, I have one order Muppet and one chaos
- 5:42mpe.
- 5:42my oldest, full
- 5:44order Muppet.
- 5:45she can't go to sleep unless things are organized and straight on her desk.
- 5:50My
- 5:50youngest
- 5:51only
- 5:52chaos Muppet, she does not give a shit where anything is.
- 5:55Mm-hmm.
- 5:56Nothing bothers her.
- 5:57She will sleep on top of mess.
- 5:59She does not care.
- 6:00She doesn't care.
- 6:02Whereas my oldest is like,
- 6:04something is outta place.
- 6:06Everything's gonna burn down.
- 6:08It's
- 6:08not gonna burn down.
- 6:10No.
- 6:10I mean,
- 6:11Probably not, probably not gonna burn down.
- 6:14Probably not.
- 6:15Anyway, it's been what,
- 6:1813
- 6:18years and I still use this as the guidepost for all
- 6:21things relationship dynamics.
- 6:22So I encourage you to go read the article,
- 6:25Which is at this point literature,
- 6:28like, it's history.
- 6:29It's
- 6:30an important part of our zeitgeist.
- 6:32we must accept it as
- 6:34a philosophical tome.
- 6:36But tell me if you
- 6:37are an Order Muppet or a Chaos Muppet, and then look at the people around you and
- 6:41find me one
- 6:42person who doesn't fit.
- 6:45Find me one.
- 6:45I I bet you can.
- 6:47I bet you can.
- 6:48it
- 6:49is the way that I judge all relationships in my existence despite
- 6:52being around people who can give me
- 6:54in theory, better
- 6:56ways to assess relationships.
- 6:58None of them hold up this one does.
- 7:01This one is the best guide by which you can judge all
- 7:04relationships, and I stand by that.
- 7:10And now we'll go to Allison who has this week's small talk.
- 7:15Hi L two.
- 7:16I've been listening for a few months and keep pausing episodes
- 7:19because it feels like you're talking directly to me, which is unsettling,
- 7:23but also kind of comforting.
- 7:25I'm realizing how much I mask at work, especially in meetings.
- 7:28I come home absolutely wiped and still feel like I didn't do enough.
- 7:33How do you start unpacking masking when it's basically become your personality?
- 7:39Okay, so the first thing is that that a lot, like,
- 7:44a lot, like almost daily, that people say that
- 7:48don't know how I knew they needed to hear something or something like
- 7:52that.
- 7:53I didn't know, but I know what I needed to hear at some point.
- 7:57And the whole premise kind of
- 7:59of all of this is that.
- 8:03I got
- 8:03this place in my life thinking that things were just me.
- 8:06And it wasn't until I started talking about them that I
- 8:08realized that there were other
- 8:09in almost identically the same
- 8:11situation.
- 8:12so point didn't know you needed
- 8:14hear it.
- 8:15I didn't know that anybody needed to hear it.
- 8:16It's what I needed to hear at some point.
- 8:19And the only
- 8:20compass I have reference.
- 8:22So
- 8:23I, glad
- 8:25that is working out for you and that you're getting what you need out of it.
- 8:28And also, I'm sorry.
- 8:29'cause I know sometimes
- 8:31it
- 8:31like you're being personally attacked and I don't mean to, I apologize.
- 8:35the question which is how to, you know, figure out when you're
- 8:40masking and when you're not.
- 8:41so masking is frequently a function of neurodivergence, and it's how
- 8:45a people who identify as neurodivergent or don't realize they're neurodivergent, make
- 8:49themselves quote unquote, normal enough to
- 8:53in neurotypical environment.
- 8:55Normal exist.
- 8:56Normal's bullshit.
- 8:57It's
- 8:57a
- 8:57non-existent standard, but it's the
- 9:00that, that people use to put themselves through that.
- 9:05so that's,
- 9:05you know, a real thing, that's valid thing.
- 9:07it's not only neuro divergent people who have to shrink to fit
- 9:11or change their personality to
- 9:12try to make friends or, or
- 9:14fit in.
- 9:15I think that be a very universal experience.
- 9:18and it is really
- 9:19easy to forget
- 9:21are in those environments
- 9:23to actually are.
- 9:25in some cases you've been doing
- 9:27the years
- 9:28your life you're not sure who you are.
- 9:30there's no right way to do that
- 9:33except to start taking a
- 9:35back and
- 9:36clocking what feels
- 9:38and what doesn't.
- 9:40What feels
- 9:40something you want to do and what feels like something you don't want to do.
- 9:44Does that
- 9:44just stop doing all the things you don't
- 9:46wanna do?
- 9:47No, of
- 9:48of those like be done.
- 9:49Like, can't think of people who are like, I'm so excited to
- 9:53at five o'clock in the morning and
- 9:54go to today.
- 9:56That doesn't
- 9:57great a lot of people, but you still have to if you have to pay bills.
- 10:01can't think of anybody who's like, man, the DMV sounds great,
- 10:06you still need a so you still have go do it.
- 10:09But are there ways to make it more comfortable?
- 10:12Are there ways to.
- 10:14Adapt so that you care less about what the people around you think
- 10:18and more about what makes you comfortable in that situation.
- 10:21So some examples
- 10:23like you to ride the train
- 10:25work every day.
- 10:26And
- 10:28because
- 10:29are other people around you know, you
- 10:31make sure that you
- 10:33are dressed professionally and that you're wearing uncomfortable shoes
- 10:38because they nice with your outfit.
- 10:40And
- 10:42you don't take a seat if there's else around who needs the seat or whatever.
- 10:46There's all
- 10:47things that you do
- 10:48to be socially
- 10:49in that situation.
- 10:50And should you take From the elderly and infirm, not.
- 10:55Please give them chair.
- 10:56But
- 10:56also.
- 10:58is it okay to
- 10:58down once in a
- 10:59a while
- 11:00you are tired too?
- 11:01And if there's a chair available and
- 11:03you know you're not sure it's an
- 11:05to somebody,
- 11:06but else going for take the seat.
- 11:09been plenty of situations where I've been in
- 11:10something like that where I'm like, it would more convenient for me do thing,
- 11:16but I'm worried about inconveniencing
- 11:18strangers
- 11:19who are not a problem, so I'm not that thing.
- 11:22And you can make a decision that the that you in that situation, you are gonna do.
- 11:29Don't listen to your music on speaker, your headphones in.
- 11:33But also like if the noise on the train bothers you
- 11:36and
- 11:37overstimulated
- 11:38you're on the train, you can get earplugs even if you think that's gonna
- 11:44rude to the people around who
- 11:45you would normally interact with
- 11:47because that's way you were taught.
- 11:49You can get earplugs, you ignore people, you can read a book, you can to podcast.
- 11:53You can all of
- 11:54things that sometimes don't do in semi-public environments
- 11:59because they feel like it's,
- 12:00you know,
- 12:01or inappropriate or whatever.
- 12:03so it's really about, not about very
- 12:08who you are and who you are not or even who wanna
- 12:12because that's a question that's probably a little far away from you at this point.
- 12:15But what good to my What gives anxiety?
- 12:20tamps down my anxiety?
- 12:21What makes
- 12:22feel chaotic?
- 12:23What makes feel like I'm in control of chaos?
- 12:26How do I limit my stress?
- 12:29Whatever,
- 12:30and just leaning
- 12:31that.
- 12:31And
- 12:32are times where
- 12:33I am certain doing something way is
- 12:36way I wanna it.
- 12:38And in actual,
- 12:40practice.
- 12:41I hate it.
- 12:42And I don't wanna do it that way, even though I think
- 12:44that's the way I wanna do it.
- 12:47so be ready to find out new
- 12:49about yourself because you might not, I mean, if you've doing this since you were
- 12:53were 13,
- 12:5515, especially for women, 'cause that's actually even earlier than that, that's
- 12:59when we tend to assimilate into groups because girls tend to be more sensitive
- 13:04social pressures than, boys are.
- 13:05And, whole nother story
- 13:07don't identify as either, because there's a, there's a whole beast there about
- 13:10assimilation to norms when you don't as but people who do not identify as male,
- 13:17put that way,
- 13:18tend to to the
- 13:20in their life where they start looking into either neurodivergence or
- 13:27a diagnosis or even of just decide like.
- 13:31don't like the way that their life is going and, the way they taught to
- 13:35act and engage with people, and they want to find
- 13:40they actually are in those things.
- 13:42Sometimes
- 13:43see this as of You see it when people get out bad relationships.
- 13:46You see it when people move from one environment another and have to
- 13:51start figuring out who are and how
- 13:53are.
- 13:54and so about listening
- 13:56your body, which may have never done before, your brain, anxiety,
- 14:00your sensory overload, and going
- 14:02there.
- 14:02there.
- 14:03Thanks for being here guys.
- 14:04Have a good day.
- 14:05Love you meeting