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LANDMVRKS: DIY Metalcore, Metal via Mental Health Struggles, Viva La France! · The Downbeat

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What's up guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat
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Podcast. My guests on the podcast this
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week are Flo and Kevin of Landmarks.
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We caught up just before they played an insane show in
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Nashville, TN. I saw Flo do graffiti on stage.
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It was crazy. We talk about graffiti.
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We talk about his checkered past with the law to do with
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graffiti. We talk about that unbelievable
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new album, The darkest place I've ever been.
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Incidentally, we talk about what is the darkest lace flow has
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ever been, His battle with anxiety.
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Loads of stuff. It's really good chat.
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Side note, flow, as you'll find out in this podcast, is like a
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genius. He's one of those people that
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does it all. He knows it all.
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His background's in hardcore. Landmarks is a metal core band,
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but you can still hear those kind of pushes and stuff from
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like Trapped Under Ice, that kind of hardcore.
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So I really wanted to pick his brains on that, where that came
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from, where the French scene is going.
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It's Flow and Kev of landmarks on the Downbeat podcast.
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Is it Trabon not Serbon? No it.
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Works. No, it's, it's my answer.
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You say Sebon, I say yes, Trabon.
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So Sebon is it's good. Yeah.
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Yeah, Trabon is very good. Yeah, exactly.
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Sava. Sava bian trabian etwa.
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Wee, I was about to say mui BU pien that's wrong.
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It's how do I say yeah? JE 10.
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We love you too. You can, you can say Kumon sava,
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let's do it, Kumon sava. And we say, how are you?
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Yeah. And we say very good, how are
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you? And it's like a long exchange of
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sava, sava, we sava. It was sava.
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We sava, sava. It's pretty long.
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What's Komsi Komsa like? I mean, it's like, yeah, yeah,
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exactly. But we never said that.
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You never. No one said that.
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No, no. We never said.
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That you kind of said it, but when we met earlier you were
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like, oh, bit tired. That's Komsi Komsa.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.
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So let's try it again. Saba, Come see.
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Come see landmarks. Kev Flow, welcome to the
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Downbeat. Thank you.
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Thank you, my boys. Yeah, I was just explaining to
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Madison how much I love you guys musically and as people.
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So I really appreciate, appreciate you coming in.
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Saying saying we love you bro. And I appreciate you coming in
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this late into a tour. Yeah, seem pretty tired.
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We are actually. We just woke up.
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Actually, yeah, I I didn't feel tired until yesterday.
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Yesterday it hit me. It was 416.
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You just woke up. I mean, I woke up at 1 like
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Julian just woke me up like. Bro you need to you have some
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check. Yeah, like set up the drums and.
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So the more the more you go into the into the tour, the more you
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fall asleep late for some reason, at least for me.
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Yeah, same. So yesterday I fell asleep at
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4:00 AM. That's normal.
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You go to bed about two and then on tour I'll go to bed.
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Sometimes on tour I'll go to bed at like 6.
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Yeah, yeah, it happened to me. But then I wake up at 2:00 PM
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and or or three. And then you have to go
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immediately to sound check, yeah.
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Immediately to downbeat, yeah. Did you not sound check today?
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Not him. Or you do the virtual check.
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Yes they they did. And no, I mean Kevin, Kevin and
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all the boys did the sound check, but I didn't like as
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well. If I'm just waking up, my voice
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is not. Wish I was him.
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That's so sick. Yeah bro, I have on these two.
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I have no drum tech so. What on a headliner?
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Yeah, it's a small headline. What the fuck though bro?
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Good for you. No drum tech, setting your own
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drums up. Yeah, hardcore.
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That's the hardcore part of metal.
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Core. Yeah.
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And, and tonight it's a core part.
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We strike the drums because the stage is too small.
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So you're just having a bad time.
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It is a small venue tonight, yeah.
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I mean, it is, but we love them because.
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Yeah, yeah. Feels like right now in the US
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for us capacities are around, I mean in terms of ticket sales,
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it's around 5 to 600 say. And sometimes it can go a little
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bit less or more. And within this capacity I I'd
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rather have like a tiny packed venue like that, like that one
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instead of 1K venue but only 5 or 600 in.
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Yeah, definitely. And then in Europe, like how
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many kids do you pull in Europe? Like it's a lot.
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Yeah, now it's big because we have a headline tour in
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December. Yeah, it's around.
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Like 3 or 4, three to four. Thousand.
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Yeah, yeah, Everywhere. Everywhere we play this
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December. Yeah, that everywhere in Europe,
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's insane.
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But then it's like fun to come and play the small shows because
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we just did that where we did the festival run.
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Yeah, where obviously you're playing A10.
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We played a bunch of shows with. Yeah, we had a lovely night.
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Yes, you might get into. I've got a great photo that I'm
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going to have to put up. But like you play like the
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10,000 and then you played like the club shows in the in the
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places that you're known, 2003 thousand.
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And then you play like then we played a place called Mains
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Germany and it was like 120 kids in a shoe box.
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Yeah. And it was my favorite show of
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tour. Oh yeah.
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Last time, every time. I don't, I don't remember like
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last week we asked for like, no. No crush barrier, no barricade,
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Yeah. Barricade, you say?
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Crash. Barrier.
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Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It makes sense, definitely not
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what it's called. I love it.
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We say that in French. Crush barrier.
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Oh, the crash barrier. Wait, you call it crash barrier?
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Or there's a French word. For it, but we say crush
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barrier. We say crush barrier.
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Yeah, yeah. Crush barrier.
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Amazing. Anyway, yeah, you asked for it.
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Did you get it? Yeah, and it was like.
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Crazy. Oh yeah, yeah, crazy.
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Our favorite shows are always the small hardcore.
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Well, the like people came on stage, grabbed the Flo's mic and
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it was like a featuring. Yeah, featuring suddenly.
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Another like the Nico's mic and the guy was like.
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Yeah, yeah, what the fuck? Or not.
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It's not featuring. Just the guy.
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Just the guy. Sometimes it's not the right
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lyrics, but whatever. That was for we saw Bring Me the
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Horizon like last week. You know, they do that thing.
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Yeah. They pull up someone for karaoke
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version of the song. This kid didn't know a single
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word. I saw, I just saw an how'd you
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say oppressed something about that, but I didn't saw the video
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actually the actual video. It's crazy, but he's like making
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up words like someone just kind of sick.
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Just like styling, but it's like anti vest.
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So it's like, you know, one of the biggest choruses.
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Oh yeah, there he goes up and he was just going.
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It was fucking sick. Everyone knows the words of that
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of that song except him. I don't know how they did it as
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well because they had it like Guitar Hero, so like when he got
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the stuff wrong it was saying missed, missed really background
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anyway and it worked like it was actually in time.
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OK, OK. Some crazy magic shit.
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Wow, that's bring me. We can do whatever.
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They can do whatever. But while we're on the subject
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of hardcore shows, yeah, medical shows, I think the reason for me
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that you guys are, in my opinion, one of the best metal
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core bands out now, thank you, is because you still got
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hardcore in there. Like there's still the fast
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bits. And I was thinking about it
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today like because metal core now like I love all types of
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metal core, but there is definitely metal core as it's
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become the radio friendly. Here's a breakdown, low tune
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stuff. And then you still got like the
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metallic hardcore thing. And I was trying to think today
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what I think can separate it. And I think it's the pushes,
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like a riff that goes like, you know, like pushes.
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You don't get those in like the other true.
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And you guys are like one of the only bands that I can think of
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that are like modern metal core big, but you still got other
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than that, maybe not loose, but like you've still got those
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pushes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Who's right? True.
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True. Because of you.
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I mean, this specific thing, it's not only me.
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Maybe, maybe the drum and bass sections or Kevin and Rudy.
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I mean, the hardcore side is is from my side.
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Yeah, I'm a hardcore kid. I grew up listening to hardcore
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and I still listen to hardcore and I still write hardcore.
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You did yesterday night. Yeah, I'm trying I'm trying
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right now to to write a, a hardcore a side project that I I
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only write while I'm I'm on tour because because I know that I
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won't do it at home and that we got pretty much the whole the
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whole day after sun check to to do whatever when we are on the
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headline tour. So I'm like, I should I, I just
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push a little bit to, to try to write.
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I'm, I'm trying to write something else than landmarks
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because it's been such a long time since I didn't.
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And I think I'm, I'm convinced that if I'm trying to do
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something else, it will improve my songwriting with landmarks at
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the end. So I'm, I'm trying to, how do
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you say to, to push myself to do those kind of stuff?
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Obviously that's cool, but then when you write for that project,
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what if there's a riff that's really good and then and like
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you have to write the next Landmarks record?
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Like you put out that EPI imagine it is, or is it a whole
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record? If you do that, then you can't
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have that riff. Are you going to worry you're
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going to run out riffs? Good question.
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Yes. Yeah, yeah, I'm basically maybe
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I'm fucked. I don't.
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Know or have you gone like really hardcore like stuff that?
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I try to be like specific on this project.
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I try to be old school Madball terror.
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Yeah, groovy style, trapped in the Rice hardcore.
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So there's some riff like that in landmarks too, like backtrack
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riffs and stuff. The backtrack, TUI yeah, is
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clear to me. The parts that I'm thinking of
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where that keeps you in the in the hardcore world are all like
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TUI could have wrote that, but maybe like down tuned.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. But I'm I'm trying to know.
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Yeah, yeah, my, my might be a problem at some point, but with
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this project, I try to not overthink.
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I'm like, hey, here's the cool roof here's and then it just
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it's pretty simple. It's nothing crazy.
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It's nothing like new or something.
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I'm just having fun. So I'm pretty sure that it won't
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compete, if that makes sense with landmarks where I'm I'm
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more like, I'm like, I'm trying to figure out a riff for hours
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and hours trying to find the perfect riff and stuff.
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Like I'm with this project, I'm just doing whatever comes and I
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mean it's I I just did 2 songs for now, so we'll see.
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But those groovy stuff and like pushes, like you said, I tried
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to include the include songs, but I remember that for example,
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in death the featuring Drew, which is on insane, which is one
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of our favorite song, this reef when it goes learning.
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Oh yeah, that's the kind of thing you're talking about.
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And that was Rudy was like, it's a bit boring.
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Let's try like in the bassist mind, like you can see Rudy
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doing. And then it's one of the things
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that makes the the riff to me. So I write most of the the I
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write the core of the song. And then I need help from
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everyone to to add the spice and and without the spice, the song
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is not as good. So I'm really glad to have my
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boys in this band, too. Yeah, like we they're all very
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talented and they're all have very different way of thinking.
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And so, yeah, I think we complement each other really
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well. I think that is, in my opinion,
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what sets you apart from all those bands because there's
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there's the blueprint for the type of other metal core, which
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is Architects. In my opinion, that's the
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blueprint for the Chuggy and they had the pushes back in the
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day because they came from hardcore and they went away.
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But I feel like you guys and I, I love them for the for my like
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10 out of 10 band in that genre of metalcore.
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And then I think you guys are my 10 out of 10 Fuller maybe, maybe
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hate breed. But like you guys are like in
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between the two. Yeah, the architects metal core
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and the hate breed metal core. And it's like landmarks in the
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middle. Wow.
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Thank you. Yeah.
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Which is sick. And that's.
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That's mostly you. Like, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Were you originally the guitarist?
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Yeah. How long did that go?
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Who was singing so? So first, I mean, I was the
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guitarist before the name of the band was Landmarks.
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Oh, OK. When I started the band, I had a
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hardcore project and I was the singer of this, of this band.
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And that wasn't my first thing. My first thing was guitar
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always, that was always guitar. And for this hardcore band, we,
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we, we were three guitarist in the band basically.
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So someone had to, to sing at some point.
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I was like, I want to play guitar live, I want to play
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guitar in a band. So and that's that's the that's
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the point where I discovered metal core basically Kill
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Switch, Engage, Parkway Drive. It's not easy to say and all
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those bands and I, how do you say I look for other members, I
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look for a band. We.
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Were we were at the same school at this moment we were in the
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same classroom. Oh yeah, true.
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You were. He was like just writing songs
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by himself, like drums, bass, guitar and you were singing also
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I think. So I, I, I wrote all the songs I
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wanted to play and then and then I, I looked for members.
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You were like, OK, I need a band to play my songs.
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Yeah, exactly. And so I found some and we
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rehearsed for two years like that, me as a guitarist and at
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some and we, we, we looked for for singer for a singer, which
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tried 20, I guess singers. And so the tricky thing is, is
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that those singers weren't bad. It's just that I already put
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some vocals on those songs, most of the songs, so.
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Everything. They weren't as good as you.
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It's not as it wasn't as good. It's like everything compared is
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different different to my. He can't say it, but we can't.
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Yeah. No, it wasn't your vision.
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Every No one was matching up to the.
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Vision. So yeah, I was like not, not
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that way, not that way, not that way.
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And so the boys at some point said, bro, we rehearsed for two
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years now. We, we, we want to play live
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shows, just just sing the song, like just be the singer.
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And, and we, we call Nico to be the guitarist.
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So that's, that's where, that's where it happens.
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So Nico joined the band and, and Nico is, has visions, has a
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vision, has a, he has the big picture.
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So beautiful, man. Oh yeah.
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It's a band for the hotties. French hotties.
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French women normally praised for being the hotties, but this
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is a band of French hotties. If you say so.
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This motherfucker right here. I thought you were going to wear
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mesh today. It's the first time I haven't
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seen you wearing a mesh top. You're going to wear a mesh.
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You dressed down normally, He's got some fucking slut chainmail
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on. True.
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Where is it? Oh, it's dead.
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It's like Kev is so fast, like jumping into different phase.
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Yeah. Now you're out.
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Of that, you're in the sports phase now.
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No, it's just today. No, no.
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No, he's in dua lipa phase now. No, I know that we're going to
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come to that. I've got a fucking question on
18:29
the fuck the Dua Lipa stuff. I have new shirts.
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I went to the pop up store in Los Angeles so.
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Let's just do it right now. What is the deal with the like?
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You're obsessed. Yeah.
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Is it with the music or just to both?
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Yeah. OK.
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Yeah, Where'd it come from? I.
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Don't know. I just discovered this girl.
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I was like, wow, no. One knows no.
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One knows I'm not. I'm not.
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You got either you either wearing mesh like a cool mesh
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top and I'm like, I wish I could pull that off, or you've got to
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do a leaper top. True.
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Are you buying bootlegs? Are they real?
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No, Some are, some are real, some some not.
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They're supposed to be your queen and you're stealing off
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her. Yeah.
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I'm just like, if I'm in the shop, there is a Julie pressure.
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I'm like, I have to go buy it. Yeah, you wear them on stage or
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not. No, you got.
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AI saw. I saw her last year.
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You say you were last. Do you?
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Wear Oh, sorry, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, that is like every night. Like like 11 show you had.
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I have the cap, the cap and the shirt, the jersey.
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Not me. At the same time you had the
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cap, the shirt and maybe something else, right?
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No, no, no. I.
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Have a tattoo? What?
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That's just her. I need a photo of that author so
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we can put it on the board. That's that's just a doer.
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OK, OK, I'm gonna say this. That's fucking insane.
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It's not only me because I have Dua.
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I'm sure there's a. There is there is another guy in
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the planet. He has Lipa on his leg.
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Oh, true. It's Queenie from 10:50.
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Oh yeah, true. So we were on tour together.
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Fucking French again? Yeah, what the fuck?
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We just love her. Well, good for.
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You. That's it.
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But now it's more like. I think it's more like a joke
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now. Yeah, I want to keep.
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OK, just don't abduct her and do anything crazy because your
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band's doing good. Oh, I could join your band,
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actually. Actually, please, Dave, please
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get arrested for this. The darkest place I've ever
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been. Where is it?
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It's your place that's. Right.
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Where is it? Let's preface it.
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That's not really my fucking question.
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That's your latest record. Yeah.
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Seems pretty depressed. Yeah.
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Are you good? Good.
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Now? Yeah.
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Was it written in the darkest place you've ever?
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Been Oh yeah, yeah, actually, actually I never really talked
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about it like the the the most of most of the press they they
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were kind of afraid of asking a question.
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Tell me baby to you. I've been struggling a lot those
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past three years for some reasons.
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It's getting it was getting worse and worse and worse.
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And so The thing is that I have have some anxiety, some fears
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and stuff. And at, at some point it, it
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just hit a level that I would never expect that I'm, I was
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kind of of, of just just paralyzed of anything.
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I, I didn't want it to grab a guitar anymore to talk about
21:33
anything music related anymore. And what, what, why I'm talking
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about music is that I, at this time, I, I try to write the
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album and I couldn't for the first time in my life, I
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couldn't write any good song for a year.
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And the more I tried, the more I get.
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I got depressed because I, I, I felt like I lost it somehow.
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So the, it came from many things.
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Like the first thing is that I worked too much for 10 years
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straight, too much work in my life in personal like, like,
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like at the studio music work, music, music, music work.
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Like that was my, my, my work. My work was producing bands and
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and landmarks. You were also doing like the
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rack he's doing. Yeah, Landmarks.
22:25
Landmarks is a lot of work. And my studio and I did that for
22:32
10 years or eight years and without taking any vacation
22:36
without and without, without no stop.
22:39
And it drive me crazy at some point.
22:41
I didn't expect that it drove me crazy and but it did.
22:45
And after that I so I got, I got one man in fear anxiety is I'm
22:53
I'm claustrophobic and I never tried to figure this out.
23:00
I never tried to heal this. And I just put myself into work
23:06
a lot more to avoid this fear that is pretty simple, like I
23:14
don't want to be in a close. Like a bandwagon.
23:19
Yeah, for example, but it's it's not that simple, obviously.
23:24
It's like there's there's a fear going that it's going into
23:28
another one, another one, another one like.
23:30
And suddenly you're you're, you're going out in the street
23:33
and you feel claustrophobic, but you.
23:35
But there is a. OK, I I don't know anything
23:38
about claustrophobia. It's just, it's just crazy like
23:41
say it's just it's just an A social anxiety.
23:44
It's just like like anyone and and any others is but it's it
23:48
can get pretty bad when you're a touring musician.
23:54
Yeah, so and I tried to avoid the the the thing the question
23:59
like for for years and years and years.
24:01
And at some point we had a pretty stressful year or six
24:07
months between like going to Australia, not having the visas,
24:10
going to America and taking a lot of planes, taking a lot of
24:15
for me was a. Lot a lot of tour, lot of stress
24:18
and lot of stress and you have to write the new album.
24:21
Writing at the same time. At the same.
24:22
Time So at some point my brain went somehow I felt it like a
24:29
panic attack. I did a lot of panic attack
24:32
before, but this this, this one was strong strongest.
24:36
Where were you? I was in my bed.
24:38
Yeah, Yeah. I wasn't like it, no.
24:41
Airport or somewhere? I knew I was in my bed the day
24:43
before we, we went, we were supposed to go to Australia.
24:47
I mean, we, we, we, we didn't, we went to Australia.
24:50
I don't know how to to say that and properly, but the day before
24:54
Australia. You're saying it great.
24:56
OK, I was just all right, this is tomorrow.
25:00
You're going to take three planes, a lot of things that you
25:04
don't like, like elevators, subways, airports, and you're
25:11
going to go to hotels, elevators into hotels and stuff.
25:14
And you didn't like, you didn't fix your anxiety whatsoever.
25:20
Like it's at your it's at your maximum pick right now.
25:23
And and you're a piece of shit for not doing it like it's
25:26
tomorrow now. Yeah.
25:28
And boom, it, it happened like that.
25:31
So Kevin was there. Kevin slept at my house and my
25:36
flat. This this this day.
25:38
This year. No, no, no.
25:39
It was. Oh.
25:40
First time. First time in Australia, Yeah,
25:42
yeah, He slept in the living room, but I didn't say anything.
25:46
I just woke up and tried to calm myself.
25:48
But it lasts those kind of big hit last four days and weeks and
25:55
then you're you're afraid of having another one, another
25:59
anxiety attack horror stuff. And and I was like, I was just
26:04
so tired of all of this. And it was just so painful to
26:09
write music in this state. It was just too painful.
26:14
So at some point I was like, I just should talk about how
26:19
insanely hard it is for me to write this album right now into
26:23
my album. So let's make it the subject of
26:27
the album. It's anyway, it's it's just, I
26:30
mean, it's just obvious in felt obvious at some point.
26:34
And when I figured this out, when I when I'm when I wrote, I
26:39
mean, at some point I remember during the tour I was like, I
26:43
have the name of the album. It's the darkest place I've ever
26:46
been. I, I just have to write the song
26:48
now. The song, the darkness I've ever
26:50
been. And I tried during the story to,
26:51
to, to write the song. And when I finished this song, I
26:55
was a little bit more all right, all right, I, I know where we're
26:59
going right now. I have, I have a better vision
27:02
of what I'm doing because basically I'm, I'm, I don't feel
27:07
that good doing the album, not doing it, not being able to do
27:11
the album was like influencing and like feeding my anxiety.
27:15
And my anxiety was feeding the new songs of the album.
27:19
And it build up like that until the album is done.
27:22
And I feel a lot better now and I feel a lot more confident and
27:26
I love the album. It's crazy.
27:28
You did like some weird self therapy.
27:31
Yeah. I can't write this song.
27:33
Wait, I need to write this song about how I can't write this
27:37
song and it like repeats like that.
27:40
Yeah. I'm sorry you went through that,
27:41
but it a banger made a banger out of it.
27:44
Thank you. I was wondering where the
27:47
darkness came from. But you touched on something
27:49
there which I struggle with always, which is overworking.
27:55
Yeah. Especially as, like, creative.
27:58
Yeah. Because I think it's when when
28:01
you're trying to make your name or your career in this whole
28:06
thing, you have to grind for no money.
28:09
And then when the money starts coming, you don't take a step
28:14
back because you have the fear if I stop, this is all going to
28:19
stop. So you just keep going and going
28:22
and going. And I've had very similar things
28:25
to what you're talking about, particularly when a tour is
28:28
coming up and I have worked myself to the bone up to that
28:32
day. And then something like
28:35
travelling is becomes the the like the last straw in my head
28:40
where I just go ping like I'm fucking done.
28:43
Yeah, but it's like a common thing, creatives that we just
28:48
don't know how to stop. Yeah, we don't know how to
28:51
handle ourselves. I guess the two, because once
28:54
you do it. So one of the main reason I feel
28:58
a lot better now is that I have a girlfriend, which is the best
29:02
girlfriend in the world. Same.
29:06
And this girl saved me because for the first time in my life, I
29:10
wanted to do things with her and take some rest with her.
29:15
And she was like, let's let's just go 2 days, just not not two
29:19
weeks. Let's just go 2 days off
29:21
somewhere and not working and chilling and watching TV and
29:26
going outside and, and, and just sleeping and stuff.
29:29
Was I never done that? We're the same fucking person.
29:34
Look at her smiling over there. Same thing, same job, good job.
29:39
She's like, no, you need to stop working right now and we're
29:41
going to just watch this show. And I'm like, yeah, but I got
29:44
this. And she's like, Nope, Nope,
29:45
you're going to stop, right? Now and once you you did that,
29:49
like you, you realise it's a it's a really good thing for
29:52
your brain, for your work also. And yeah, you come back, you're
29:57
like, OK, I'm ready to go. And after I wait until the next
30:00
time I'm forced to take a break. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's
30:03
coming pretty soon. Yeah.
30:04
Look at that face. She's nodding her head.
30:06
It's coming pretty soon. I'm working pretty fucking hard
30:08
at my. Good.
30:09
Good for you. I'm still on the record.
30:10
And anyway, we'll just stay on that song for a second.
30:12
Yeah. So that includes all of the
30:14
things that I was talking about, about your band still having the
30:16
pushes, the kind of hardcore thing.
30:19
But then there's kind of like, almost like a little black metal
30:22
thing. Yeah.
30:23
Yeah, it's, it's the, it's new. For it's new.
30:27
We I mean, it's new in the Landmarks album, but.
30:30
That's what's what is funny is that Kevin comes from a
30:33
background where he's like, I'm a prank rocker.
30:35
I'm a hip hop man and stuff. I don't want double pedals.
30:38
How'd you say double pedals? That sort of thing.
30:40
And now he's like, let's just do that.
30:43
I'm I'm like yesterday. He's like I'm, I'm learning this
30:47
technique. Yeah, I tried to learn he'll
30:49
too. I'm like one day I'll play.
30:51
Like to do double S. Yeah, yeah.
30:53
So I'm like one day we will play 30, so with 300 BPS, so we can
30:57
do. I want to do that.
30:59
Austin, Archie. It's because of him.
31:01
It's because of him. He was the last two guests that
31:03
we had in here. Yeah, because we.
31:05
Played with Lana Shore. This OK OK so I was like she's.
31:08
Fucking not. Yeah.
31:09
Oh yeah. And Flo, you told me that, like,
31:12
can you do that? I was like I'll do that, I'll do
31:14
that is 2. 100 too much for or is it?
31:18
Is it fine? What's 2?
31:19
100. Is OK.
31:20
It's fast 280. He's crazy.
31:23
Oh yeah, yeah, no, but I know. But so yeah, when I write song
31:25
like is. It is it.
31:28
Is it fine? I'm like, I like, I'll learn.
31:30
It's too fast, but let's do it. Yeah, that's the way to get
31:33
back. Yeah, every album we're like,
31:35
we're gonna push. So we're not, we're not like
31:37
black metal fan, but I still listen to some black metal album
31:42
and I, I kind of like in death metal, black metal and all, all
31:48
in between, like Metaldic sweatish things and stuff.
31:51
I kind of like all the, the, the Indians, the, the melodies, the,
31:56
the kind of they, they do stuff that are like really specific in
32:01
my opinion, that feels, feels like different melodies than
32:05
what we do in France, in the US and stuff.
32:08
I, I like those. I don't know, it's something
32:11
different in my brain. So I have a question later on
32:14
which I'm just going to torch the question now because I think
32:17
you've just answered it. OK, Because I know that you
32:20
write the majority of the songs, the main the main bulk of the
32:23
song. I was going to ask you how you
32:26
pick your chord progressions because I don't know that much
32:29
about theory side of things, but you always pick not the obvious
32:35
note that something's going to, but it's the one my brain wants
32:39
to. Hear.
32:39
Let's go. I like that.
32:41
I like that. Maybe.
32:43
Like, maybe it's that, that if you're picking out of, like,
32:47
Swede, like at the gate, Swedish death metal.
32:49
Yeah, It's every time, bro, there's a vocal melody or even
32:54
like, a riff. You know, I get this.
32:56
You get. If anyone doesn't know, you
32:59
know, we've listened to enough music.
33:01
Yeah. There's a prediction in your
33:03
head at the third note. Normally, it'd be note one, Note
33:07
2, whether or not it's a guitar riff or a vocal.
33:09
Yeah. And then there is bass.
33:13
What the basic bitch is going to pick for note three.
33:17
Yeah. And then my brain is always
33:19
like, I really hope this riff goes here.
33:21
And nine times out of 10, with other bands, it doesn't go there
33:24
and you always go to the note that I want, but I don't know
33:28
what it is. I don't know what it is.
33:31
We might have the same. Taste.
33:33
Yeah. Or growing up listening to some
33:35
bands, I don't know. I listened a lot to those
33:39
Swedish bands like Yeah In Flames.
33:43
But you're not using them traditionally in like an in
33:46
flamesy riff that much. It's like even on a vocal and on
33:52
a like a big sang chorus, your third note choice.
33:56
OK, always what I want. It's so weird all.
33:59
Right, I don't know. I can't explain it, and neither
34:01
can you. Yeah, I don't know.
34:03
I don't know. But it's funny you mentioned
34:05
that when you're like. I always trying of of course
34:09
everyone's trying to not be too. Copy.
34:13
Yeah, is that makes sense? Yeah, too predictable.
34:17
Yeah, predictable. Yeah.
34:19
I mean, I don't think everyone's.
34:21
Most people are just picking the note that works easiest I think.
34:25
So you do yourself a disservice. You pick very good note.
34:29
OK, thank you. That's that's the whole point.
34:31
We would try always trying. And I guess since we have so
34:36
many different influences in the band, it's not that difficult to
34:40
not be predictable because we're like Nico is like, yeah, let's
34:43
do a equation to Blink 182 and Paul and synth wave and death
34:49
gore. He did a death gore and I like
34:52
people wouldn't expect that I listen to a Gorgawat album, but
34:56
I. Backed to Satan because of that
35:00
video. It's something so good that
35:02
there's. Satan, if anyone hasn't seen
35:04
that fucking video of girl from I've got a girl from Gorgoroff
35:07
story. All right, I've got a fucking
35:09
great story. So the guy you know the video
35:11
with the. They ask him what's Gorgoroth's
35:13
main influence and there's a massive pause.
35:15
He's. He's got his.
35:18
He just goes Satan. I'd like to start by just you
35:24
telling us what is the the, the, the primary ideology or primary
35:28
ideas that fuel Gorgoroth Gorgoroth's music.
35:45
2nd and. It's sick.
35:47
And then there's actually, I think there's a follow up
35:49
question, but I can't remember what gets said, but I used to
35:51
work at Plastic Head music distribution in a warehouse when
35:55
I was like 20. Yeah.
35:57
And that which is 18 years ago, Candlelight Records was based
36:00
there. So we did all the Candlelight
36:02
Nuclear Blast, like all of the metal labels.
36:04
So I like, I would spend almost all the money I earned just
36:08
buying records or whatever from bands.
36:11
One day The Warehouse, So Gal is the singer was the singer for
36:16
two albums of Google. I think he's now in Gaul's word.
36:19
He's also like a bucket list guest for me on here.
36:22
Not only his contribution to blackmail, he fucking tortured a
36:27
guy and made him drink his own blood.
36:31
He got away with it. OK, apparently it was twisted
36:35
story, but you know, I'd love to get a story out.
36:36
So he's like quote on quite like an evil black metal guy, but not
36:40
one of the racist ones and he's gay, which is insane for like
36:44
not in general insane, but like in blackmail a gay guy.
36:49
Oh yeah, really the most blasphemous thing you can do.
36:51
So respect one day the so that now you've got a story of who
36:57
gal is. One day the warehouse phone goes
37:00
at plastic head and I pick up and you guys and I can't
37:05
remember if it was red or white so my story might be wrong but
37:09
I'm pretty sure it was red. Pick it up.
37:11
I'm just the guy that works in the warehouse.
37:13
I'm just picking CDs. I'll pick up the warehouse phone
37:16
and a voice goes why are you printing gore Roth merchandise
37:21
on red T-shirts? And I was like, I'm sorry, can I
37:26
help you? And the guy's like if if you
37:29
print go got off on red T-shirt, I will fucking kill you.
37:35
Just I'm just a guy in the fucking warehouse.
37:37
And I was like, let me just get my manager.
37:39
And I was like, now I go to my manager, Jan, who was like an ex
37:43
police woman, but she's like the nicest little tiny woman.
37:46
I'm like Jan, She's like, yes, Craig and I'm like pretty sure
37:50
girls on the phone and he's not very happy.
37:53
And then she picks up Hello, Jan speaking, and I, I who knows
37:57
what the conversation is that we couldn't print their T-shirts
38:00
on. Oh, that's insane.
38:02
But that was a that was a thing. Sorry to derail you.
38:05
No, that's insane. Like I, it's, it's those, those
38:08
bands, they are, they have like that's they, they do crazy music
38:13
because they are crazy. You can feel it.
38:15
It's not just the the, the character.
38:17
They're they're different, Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
38:21
And I feel like that kind of plays into the French thing.
38:24
I, I think French people are very different in a good way
38:29
from like what is traditional metal, like traditional metal
38:33
other than like Sweden. And I feel like there is a
38:36
resurgence coming of French artists and what you pick for
38:41
notes or whatever might be slightly different.
38:44
You might be inventing a new because you said it yourself.
38:48
Like Swedish mellow death like French thing.
38:53
Is there a fucking name there? I have different something,
38:56
yeah. I can pick out of your record.
38:58
There are, there's like there's a black metal influence on a
39:01
couple of parts, particularly on the first track.
39:04
Yeah, title track. Yeah.
39:06
That was a fucking Linkin Park. Yeah, there was a couple of
39:09
Linkers in there. It's great.
39:11
It's fucking great. Yeah.
39:13
You're shaking your head like that's a bad thing.
39:15
No, I mean, it's just I like, I love Linkin Park so much on this
39:21
album I was like, let's not acting like I don't like I.
39:26
Yeah, we are just we're gonna. Or like, we don't.
39:29
Obviously we all love Linkin Park.
39:31
Yeah, so let's just let's just act like we love Linkin Park and
39:35
we're. Gonna show you.
39:37
We're gonna show you how what's our interpretation of what
39:42
Linkin Park did to us? Let's let's show you what it
39:45
what Linkin Park did to us. Because obviously at some point
39:48
people were like, oh, you sounds like Chester.
39:50
Are you? You sound like I'm like, yeah,
39:53
like I grew up listening to Chester 20 hours a day.
39:57
So might be why. Yeah, trying.
39:59
Yeah, Did you? Deliberately try and put more.
40:04
Is it the great? Is it the great unknown?
40:05
Is that the name of the song? Yeah, the great unknown.
40:08
Is did you try and just slam even more Chester into that?
40:11
Because there's one like one line where I'm like that could
40:13
be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:15
So so the Great Unknown is a song that were originally wrote
40:19
by Nico and Kevin. That's that's one of the song
40:22
that the core of the song is Nico and Kevin and the to
40:28
summarize the song, the the demo version, the name of the demo
40:32
version was called Blinkin Park. All right.
40:36
I love a good demo name. Love it.
40:39
Blinkin Park. Blinkin Park.
40:41
It's so funny. All right, so the where's the
40:44
blink? The intro.
40:46
Intro is like but is it like this?
40:49
Maybe it's box car racer. It's box car racer.
40:52
The intro's like the same thing, same guitar with Nicole, because
40:56
at some point we were like stuck in writing music and we were
41:01
like, yo Nicole, let's just go to the studio and write a song.
41:05
Maybe it's not for landmarks. Just have fun.
41:09
Is this why he's having a bad time?
41:11
I think riding. Probably.
41:13
Oh yeah. Yeah, I had having, yeah.
41:15
Because you, you are like guys, I need you.
41:17
Just give me some stuff. Yeah, give me, give me stuff
41:20
too. And at some point, we're like,
41:21
just do what you're the best at. So Nico loves Blink.
41:26
I love it, too. So we're like, let's write a
41:28
punk rock song without thinking of, like, landmarks and things.
41:32
Yeah. Yeah.
41:33
Without pressure. So we tried.
41:34
Yeah. Box Car racer Blink transplant
41:38
all the. It's funny because to me it
41:40
doesn't come across like any of those.
41:42
No, because after you change some stuff, you you change the
41:44
chorus you change. I might change something, but
41:47
but at. First it it it sounded like more
41:49
like Blink. The thing is, what it it it's
41:51
like when I heard the first demo was like, it's obviously blink,
41:56
obviously Linkin Park. OK, so you had to.
41:58
Yeah. So I, I put a little bit more of
42:00
Linkin Park in it and I was like, this is a Omar's song.
42:03
Is that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
42:05
Let's just push it to the limit, to the limit until people say
42:09
it's basically a homage. Is that makes sense?
42:13
Homage. Yeah, we that's one of those few
42:15
words that we also have. We have that one homage, homage.
42:20
Let's let's just try not to hide the influence in this song,
42:23
Yeah, try not to put too much landmarks.
42:25
Let's just do. Let's do something.
42:28
Something simple and something fun.
42:31
How? What was the reaction marked?
42:32
People loved it and so most of people like thank you for the
42:36
Linkin Park and blink some some people notice the boxcar racing
42:40
yeah, of course so and thank you for that because it's time now
42:45
it's been 2020 years since the yeah the first since the hybrid
42:49
terror yeah the career with. Those people never say like oh
42:52
fuck you it's Linkin Park. No, they are more like, oh,
42:54
thank you. So that's like the roots of
42:56
metal is like, what was your, you know what you listened to
43:00
growing up? Let's emulate that.
43:02
Yeah, and now it's they're, they're, I mean, now that
43:07
Chester is gone and there's a new Linkin Park and they're
43:11
doing really good in my opinion. People are not what you say.
43:18
They're not like trashing us or something to to doing the the
43:24
hybrid theory or Meteora that they they they won't.
43:28
Exist again? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:30
And they and they want it. They want it because people are
43:33
aged. They want it.
43:33
So they're like, thank you for that.
43:35
That's that's a fun song. That's not like that's not a
43:37
landmarks like yeah song, but it's it's just fun song in the
43:41
album and. I did it.
43:43
You did it really well. It's a great song.
43:44
I was playing it to Madison on the way here.
43:46
She loved it. She was like, she knew the song
43:50
that you were on with Jury. So Jury was on your song.
43:54
And I was like, I think you'll really like Span and let me put
43:56
on the car. And she was like, Oh my God,
43:58
it's really good. Thank you.
44:00
Thank you so much. Big link, big Linkin Park fan,
44:03
and if anyone's got this far into the podcast and you don't
44:05
know the band, go check them out.
44:07
I mean, good for you for staying this long, but I mean it when I
44:10
say it's like it's a crazy word, but it's kind of, I was going to
44:17
say groundbreaking metal core, but it kind of is like it is you
44:21
are pushing, you're pushing metal core, in my opinion.
44:24
Cool. Not staying where it is.
44:26
Give you more black metal though, we will.
44:29
We will. We will definitely.
44:31
Like we will for example, Gojira wasn't wasn't even an influence
44:35
since few years ago. Yeah, for you, but I know them
44:39
since. Yeah, but one day we like it
44:43
clicked well. Like, why is it?
44:46
Why is it the best band in the world?
44:48
That's. Why?
44:49
It's number one for me in terms of like modern metal, yeah #1.
44:54
Insane and it clicked for me and Nicole, you you would listen to
44:57
well, like all right, all right, OK, let's let's dive more into
45:01
because what we like we like metal.
45:03
We don't like I mean, we like everything.
45:06
We like Dua Lipa, we like pop, we like hip hop and stuff, but
45:09
the roots, the core. What's we like?
45:11
Metal music. So that's right.
45:15
Let's let's write good riffs. That's right.
45:17
Let's write good stuff. Let's we're let's write some
45:20
guitars. Let's be guitar driven, driven.
45:24
Let's not just do something else that we don't like.
45:27
And then most of bands now what they do that would we respect.
45:31
But there's there's there's a part of me when I can't hear the
45:35
guitar that is like, no, it's not, it's not me at all.
45:39
It's it's like it's cliche. Say that it's cliche.
45:41
I know, but it's not not many. Mean by like can't hear the
45:44
guitar like when it's just chugs.
45:46
No, no, no, no, no, I mean like, I mean like I I like we love
45:51
riffs. We we, we like, we like the
45:53
guitars, we like the drums, the bass, the vocals and even even I
45:58
mean it's, it's a little bit. How do you say hypocrite,
46:04
hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocrite say that because we got a lot of
46:07
hip hop parts, electronic and stuff, but we like we like a
46:14
good metal band. Like I was talking about Gojira.
46:17
They they just doing the same thing since 20 years.
46:19
And basically with that, just just a riff, a good riff and a
46:22
good drum pattern. And they're one of the biggest
46:25
men in the world. And it's inspiring to see that
46:29
being metal, really metal, having a, a metal way of writing
46:34
song can lead you to the biggest stadium and stuff.
46:38
And not and not even if I'm a huge, huge fan of Bring Me the
46:41
Horizon, for example, like I'm a really huge fan since first
46:44
album and not not going the Bring Me the Horizon way, trying
46:51
to please everyone. That's that's my point.
46:55
If you're trying to please everyone, there might be a
46:59
scenario when no one likes. That's how I always feel about
47:03
just in general when people say, have you got any advice for like
47:06
a young band? And I'm like, make music that
47:09
you love exactly because you're going to enjoy making it and
47:12
you're more likely to do it forever instead of you write
47:15
music that you think someone else wants to hear.
47:18
Then it becomes a chore to play it, to write it, to do it
47:22
without all the mental gymnastics involved.
47:25
And then when it doesn't pop off like you think it is, yeah, then
47:30
you're going to get disheartened and give up.
47:32
And also, if you're writing songs based on what someone you
47:37
think people want to hear now by the time anyone's heard your
47:41
song, like, that's old. It's too late.
47:43
Yeah, because you talk about. Jumping on like you.
47:45
Talk about Bring Me. But they are the the only band
47:49
knows how to do this music. It's their.
47:51
Music. Yeah.
47:52
And they sort of they. Yeah, exactly.
47:54
You're going. To try to sound like bring me,
47:56
it's too late, it's too late it's.
47:57
Too late. They got shit when they sort of
48:00
half changed. Yeah, but that's like my
48:03
favorite bring me stuff is the new stuff.
48:05
Like I do. I do sometimes go back to the
48:07
old stuff but. I think that's their best work.
48:09
Like it combines everything they can.
48:11
They they they learn to to to do.
48:14
They're they're crazy. That's it's insane band.
48:17
But my point was like, do whatever you you like.
48:19
And we were like, we like Linkin Park, we like Eminem.
48:23
So yeah, we're like riffs at some.
48:25
We like Metallica. Let's do it.
48:27
Let's do what we like, what we love.
48:28
Let's. When he was a bit lost he was
48:30
like just OK, if you like hip hop do do you heard the song
48:34
like somewhere says in the. Simon Says yes.
48:37
Somewhere. 16 No, I thought you were saying Simon Says by
48:40
Pharaoh Monch. Yes, I do know that.
48:42
Song. So in our album we have like the
48:44
hip. Hop interludes in the album.
48:46
Yeah, sorry, on your record. Yeah.
48:48
So we were in the like residence like.
48:52
When in a house, rented a house to people to write music.
48:54
Yeah, so. And at some point I was like,
48:57
you know what? I'm gonna write a hip hop song
48:59
for no reason. Yeah.
49:00
And Flo was like. That's sick.
49:02
That's the best thing. Yeah, and he was like, he's
49:04
gonna be on the album. I'm like, bro, you what, what do
49:07
you, you know how to write a beat, do a beat, do a lot of
49:12
beats and then we'll we'll figure out how can you we can do
49:16
that, Yeah. We just did what we know.
49:19
I think the best example of that on your record of the two things
49:23
combined, it's got to be Creature.
49:25
Yeah. Right, that intro is the sickest
49:29
fucking thing. Thank you.
49:30
I just got fucking out of it. My hair is just stood up and I
49:33
was thinking about the intro well.
49:36
That fucking? Intro Thank you so good.
49:38
Thank you. It's thank you bro.
49:41
Doesn't know it like starts with legit French hip hop.
49:44
Oh yeah, and then it goes super heavy.
49:46
Yeah, it's. How long you been doing the hip
49:49
hop thing? Same as metal, we grew up as, as
49:55
kids with my friends when we were, I don't know, like 12 or
49:59
something. We met at school, we met at
50:01
school and one of my best friend actually was into Slipknot and
50:10
all those new, new metal band and all the bands like because
50:14
he had so this guy had, would you say, a brother, old brother.
50:19
So he had a big collection of of CD at home.
50:23
And so he showed me Cypress Hill.
50:27
Eminem. How old are you?
50:29
12/13/13. What are you right now?
50:32
Right now I'm 34 right now, right?
50:34
It sounds very, very similar to exactly my really upbringing
50:38
those. Yeah, let's go the Big Brother.
50:41
Cypress Hill had done rock superstar exactly what made me
50:46
go like, oh, wait a minute. Exactly this is cool exactly
50:50
sorry. So that's why, that's why.
50:51
So we, we, we did, we did all those hip hop and and Rob bands
50:57
at the same time and we practiced guitar and rap at the
51:02
same time with my, with my friends.
51:04
So we did rap shows and stuff. We had a little, I'd just say a
51:07
little crew of freestyler. That's cool.
51:11
I think there's something uniquely great about the French
51:17
way of speaking that lends itself to hip hop.
51:20
Like, I don't really know that much French hip hop, but I can't
51:24
tell you when I've heard French hip hop and thought it was bad.
51:27
Every time I'm like, this is fucking sick, who is it?
51:30
And someone tells me the name and I forget it immediately.
51:32
And when we did Clockwork, which flow is on, it was like, we had
51:38
this breakdown. It was like 165 BPN and all of
51:41
us were talking about this vocal thing needs to be like a machine
51:44
gun, like, Oh yeah. And we were like, who do we get?
51:46
And everyone just went. Flow, Thank you.
51:49
Thank you've. Got that machine gun.
51:51
Machine gun chops. Machine gun chops, I like, I
51:53
like that I grew up listening Eminem.
51:56
So it's just, it's just influenced me a lot, I guess.
51:59
I practiced on Eminem. That's why I'm able to do it, I
52:02
guess. I practiced.
52:03
I practiced. I was in my my bedroom
52:07
practicing in front of my mirror.
52:11
You ever get? You ever try rapping?
52:14
No. No.
52:15
Just the beats, yeah, yeah. There's always one.
52:17
There's always the beats guy. It's too hard.
52:20
I'm doing a little bit of scratch.
52:22
Really. Yeah, Yeah.
52:23
All the scratch in the album, it's me.
52:25
Yeah, no way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:26
I'm doing it. That's so is it.
52:27
Who's the piano while we're on this?
52:30
The piano is a friend of us called Caspar and he's a really,
52:34
really talented multi instrumentist from Paris.
52:38
Yeah, a really good from from Kevin, Yeah.
52:40
Is he writing those interludes? Or is that you?
52:43
He is it is. It depends.
52:47
It depends. Sometimes we have a raw ID and
52:50
it's like, but this time he came to the studio.
52:53
Where did where did you record? Must say it must say at my
52:56
studio, at our. Studio is recorded at yours.
52:59
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he mixed.
53:01
It Oh, it's me. What?
53:02
Everything. Everything.
53:05
That mix is so. I mean, I know that.
53:07
I knew you did this. You mixed.
53:09
You and Julian mixed Stray or you mixed and Julian recorded
53:13
Stray's live album. Yeah.
53:15
So I knew you had the chops. I just assumed it wasn't you.
53:18
It was me. It was hard.
53:19
Every every album, it's. But thank you, thank you.
53:22
Fuck yeah. Tried my best and.
53:24
Then when you're so fucking stressed you got too much shit
53:27
going on in your brain. That's crazy.
53:30
Yeah, it was hard, but I really happy with the result,
53:36
especially the drum. I I like the drum.
53:38
It's it's weird and great at the same time, but and natural.
53:42
I like it natural. Oh, it's really like, did you
53:45
reference any particular records for the mix or did you just go?
53:49
No, I no, not really. I no because I I I referenced a
53:54
lot of my records to do different the the last landmarks
53:59
record to. And different.
54:00
And because we have a studio, we have time.
54:02
We are not like doing oh this week is a drum, so it can be we
54:05
are doing song by song. OK, so sometime it's not the
54:09
same drum, not the same snare, have new symbols.
54:12
Can be one month. So so I'd.
54:14
Have a panic attack mixing that? Yeah, that must.
54:16
Have been horrible. And Flo sometimes like oh does
54:19
the drum sounds insane today. I don't know why, it's just it.
54:26
Depends. Yeah.
54:26
So we have is. That not a nightmare to mix.
54:29
It is. It is trying to have method.
54:34
Assistancy. Yeah, but since, since Kev like
54:37
try, he likes to try things. So we're like let's try, let's
54:42
try another, let's try another snare.
54:45
And what I do is that I, I have my, so I, I mixed one song, two
54:49
song, 3 songs, 4 songs. And for the five songs, we, we,
54:54
we, we try another snare and another kick or, and, or another
54:59
tuning. And I'm like, all right, I tried
55:01
to how do you say to put those, those files in the session now
55:06
and try to see how it interacts with the, the, the triggers and
55:10
then the mix and then stuff. And there's that one song
55:14
that's, that sounds insane. First for no reason, it's better
55:19
than my first mix. With the mix was supposed to be
55:21
for another song and. You and the tracks better with
55:24
this song. You go back and try and change
55:26
the rest. Yeah, a little bit, a little
55:28
bit. I tried to.
55:30
And I think that's why the album, even though it's a metal
55:33
core, sound like very polished and stuff.
55:35
But that's why it has a little bit of life in it that I'm
55:39
really proud of. It's.
55:40
Very. One thing that stood out for me,
55:43
which is why I wanted to know who mixed it was the space
55:47
between all the instruments is crazy.
55:51
Like, I can hear everything Kevin's doing.
55:54
I can hear when you've got a riff, and then there'll be some
55:59
dissonant harmonics added to the riff, like I hear when they come
56:03
in even, you know, I don't, I don't want to keep saying it,
56:05
but like the Gojira thing where it's like a little bit, yeah.
56:08
And then there's like another dissonant note that comes in.
56:12
Like you hear that come in? Thank you so much.
56:15
Thank. You.
56:16
I'm fucking blown away. Thank you so much.
56:18
Hey. Fucking gas you up too much.
56:21
But fuck me. And you don't have to answer
56:24
this because he's right there. You get compensated for that
56:28
correctly, as in you get paid studio time.
56:33
No, no, yeah. So so as you know.
56:36
Because if people don't know the record like this costs like
56:39
upwards of 20 grand to make. Yeah, normally.
56:42
So I never. I never.
56:43
Never asked anything. What the fuck?
56:46
Yeah, for landmarks and. And as you know, so now Tom is
56:52
on manager. Yeah, so it was like, it was
56:55
like, it's the same. It's like what?
56:57
Yeah, never ask anything for doing all this stuff, but.
57:00
And I was like, no, because everyone is working for the band
57:03
and. And I think.
57:04
Never no one asked anything like for example, Nicole, Nicole
57:07
yeah, is is is was basically the manager is still commenting with
57:11
Tom right and never ask any any money for that because.
57:15
You are more like we need this money for the band anyway.
57:18
Yeah, obviously let's give this money for doing music videos and
57:23
stuff, but Tom this time said Nope, you're going to get a
57:27
little something. For doing that, I think that's
57:29
the right move because even though you don't think it, that
57:36
will definitely tie into your mental health later on when you
57:40
come to do this again. Yeah.
57:42
It will be like I'm going to make a little bit of extra
57:45
money. It takes a little bit of stress
57:47
off it, Yeah. True.
57:48
True, so you're doing a fucking crazy job.
57:50
Thank you. Just quit and mix stuff.
57:53
Yeah, I like that. I love it.
57:56
I love, I love doing, doing mix and producing bands.
57:59
I always loved it. It's just that I did it too much
58:01
at some point. Yeah, probably for free.
58:05
I'm having a panic attack. Why?
58:06
I've done, I've recorded 6 bands.
58:08
I didn't charge any of them. I forgot.
58:12
Yeah. Yeah, well, I, I used to record
58:14
and it was actually dealing with under rehearsed musicians that
58:21
made me stop. Like I love the mixing and I
58:23
still love mixing and I love like when I do this, like all
58:26
the like grading and the cameras, which is like fucking
58:28
mixing for the eyes. That's all me still.
58:31
So do drum videos. Normally it's gnarly, but
58:33
sometimes I'll mix it. Like I love that side of things.
58:36
Yeah, but there's nothing worse than a band turning up to
58:39
record, and the fucking drama doesn't how to play his part.
58:43
There's one thing is that Kevin is the best drummer I ever
58:47
recorded. He's a beast.
58:48
He's a beast, bro. Thank you.
58:50
Is really really consistent. He knows like is not like.
58:55
He knows how to hit stuff. I don't know how to explain.
59:00
Better I'm not a drummer. I mean, that's drumming, isn't?
59:03
It yeah, I'm not. I'm not crazy at drums, but I
59:06
know how to play. And that's the crazy thing, is
59:09
that when you hit something, a symbol, a hi hat, a kick, it
59:12
sounds good all the time, every time.
59:15
What? I have so many drummers in my
59:18
room eating the same gear. Yeah, 'cause sometimes it's my
59:22
drums. Sounded like shit.
59:24
It's in the hands. Yes, it's in the hands and the
59:27
stick. And he's very consistent, like
59:30
my kick and snare track. They're like compressed 'cause I
59:35
like mixed, very consistent, insane.
59:38
I just did a drum plug in which I think will be out by the time
59:42
this comes out. And they, I insisted, they told
59:47
me that you can, you can just ship your drums if you want and
59:51
we can have someone else sample it.
59:53
And I was like, no, I'm so convinced the sound of my drums
59:58
is in my stick in my hand. Of course I went and did it and
1:00:03
it was, it was 3 days of hell. Oh, it was like, I think I
1:00:08
counted how many times I had to hit each individual drum and it
1:00:11
was like 900 times plus all the drums, 4 snares, all the
1:00:17
symbols, but that kind of thing. Like it really depends on the
1:00:23
the hitter. Yeah, I mean, I agree, it's in
1:00:26
the hand. Bro definitely.
1:00:28
What's the company you did with? A GGD.
1:00:31
Let's fucking go. It's.
1:00:33
Fucking sick bro it's my kit from 24 inch kick 12. 16 the kit
1:00:41
you had this summer. Yes, which Gnarly said was the
1:00:44
best kick drum he's ever recorded in his life.
1:00:45
Wow. And then my symbol setup, a
1:00:48
prototype snare and we recorded it in Peter Gabriel studio.
1:00:53
What's the one? There's a photo of it.
1:00:56
It's the one with the crazy control room.
1:00:57
Real sound, real sound, the brutalist big fucking things
1:01:02
like one of those famous studios.
1:01:03
And it was awesome, but that it was insanely draining.
1:01:07
And then this is actually the the work that I'm finishing now,
1:01:11
which is why my girlfriend wants me to take time off.
1:01:13
I'm did 350 grooves with an E kit and then like having to
1:01:23
clean all those up is fucking murdering me at the moment.
1:01:27
So and it ends up as 350 graves and it's play them all in and
1:01:32
then I have to load them in check.
1:01:35
The velocities are fine, quantize them, but go through
1:01:39
individually to like because some bits are like field basis
1:01:42
like I don't want to quantize that and it's fucking killing
1:01:44
me. Hopefully I'll make loads of
1:01:45
money, hopefully by the time you watch this is out by my plug in
1:01:49
and hopefully it'll be worth all the work.
1:01:50
Bro, I will. That kind of thing.
1:01:53
Like it really depends on the the hitter.
1:01:56
Yeah, I mean, I agree. It's in the hand, bro.
1:01:59
Definitely while we're still on drums.
1:02:01
Let's go. You just told me something
1:02:02
before we came in here. Yes.
1:02:04
You're getting rid of getting rid of my pex.
1:02:07
Yeah, go on. Yeah, I want to try something
1:02:11
new. OK, it's.
1:02:12
Going to be a French brand, French company.
1:02:16
It's a small one. I think it's only 6 people.
1:02:18
Six people make the drums. No, I think maybe one or two.
1:02:22
And then six people are endorsed.
1:02:24
No, no, no. It's six people in the company.
1:02:26
What? How do I spell this I?
1:02:27
Mean as by it's AS. BAASBA.
1:02:31
So they're gonna celebrate the 100 year already 20260 well.
1:02:38
The possibility infinite. You're good, you're good.
1:02:43
Thanks, I got you are. You are the only one talking
1:02:45
French to us and yeah, on tour. I love it and we loved it.
1:02:49
I got AC in French like I can. I can hold my own.
1:02:52
I can listen quite a bit. I got it.
1:02:54
I got the shit. I think I'm better at Germany.
1:02:56
I'm looking at these kids right now.
1:02:58
And so it looks. Everything looks vintage I've.
1:03:00
Seen these? I have, I just didn't know what
1:03:02
they were called. Probably.
1:03:04
And they told me, like, the crazy thing is ASBA created the
1:03:09
first drum pedal. Yeah, they invented the drum
1:03:14
pedal. Didn't know that.
1:03:15
Are they still making that one? You're gonna play that.
1:03:17
No. Gonna learn, he will tell on
1:03:19
that. The the guy, the guy told me
1:03:20
like, you cannot play the pedal. So they they they did a new what
1:03:25
do you call the new version, but exactly the same one already
1:03:28
same looks and everything, but it's just new but.
1:03:32
Oh, the same kit? Not the same pedal, no.
1:03:33
No pedal. They just released the same
1:03:35
pedal exactly the same, but they're like you cannot play
1:03:39
like metal with it. It's.
1:03:40
Just for legacy, right? It's just for.
1:03:42
These drums look nice. Yeah, what are?
1:03:45
You going to do fuck? They're expensive.
1:03:47
Yeah, it's everything is handmade.
1:03:49
Are you getting it for free? No.
1:03:51
The fuck? But what?
1:03:53
The I know, I know. I was like, I don't want to.
1:03:55
Talk about how you doing what? What symbols?
1:03:58
You playing minor? Yeah, it's like 2 seconds away,
1:04:01
you know, it's like 5. Oh yeah, I went there, yeah, two
1:04:05
years ago. Yeah, it's honestly it's like 5
1:04:07
minutes away from me. OK, but all of these companies
1:04:09
watch this. OK, so before you go and pay for
1:04:13
a fucking drunk it why are you paying for a drum kit?
1:04:16
Your band's fucking huge. I know.
1:04:19
Sorry. So go ahead.
1:04:20
We had this. You had a good point, you told
1:04:22
me. We had this conversation I
1:04:25
because we are all the same. Yeah.
1:04:27
I was like, would you like to pay for the best instrument or
1:04:34
would you prefer to have it for free?
1:04:36
But you're not. You you're stuck with the with
1:04:39
one brand, so. Or or you don't really like it
1:04:42
also, yeah, because I was like, OK, I'm going to leave Mapex.
1:04:46
I think I can have everything now.
1:04:49
Yeah, Tama or whatever, I was looking the kid.
1:04:52
I'm like, yeah, but. Doesn't.
1:04:55
Doesn't speak to me. I don't know.
1:04:58
And it was also like if I'm endorsed by a brand like Mapex,
1:05:02
but they, they, you had a really good deal with Mapex, right?
1:05:06
And but I'm stuck with Mapex and if I want to try something,
1:05:09
another brand on stage or something, I can't.
1:05:13
And it's a I'm stuck. It's a little, little
1:05:17
claustrophobic. Yeah, yeah.
1:05:19
You're, you're, you're stuck in something and you can't escape.
1:05:22
And I. Just want to try.
1:05:23
Kevin doesn't like that. It was like, it's a lot of
1:05:26
money, but I would rather not being endorsed at all.
1:05:29
I mean, it's kind of. Cool.
1:05:31
Yeah, and the cool thing is it's French.
1:05:33
They it's like in Lyon. So it's three hours from
1:05:36
Marseille. I went there with Hugo, the drum
1:05:38
tech. We all visiting the the factory.
1:05:42
It's really small and they're like, we can do whatever you
1:05:45
want. Yeah, but I'm going to say this
1:05:47
because I'm always on and if people have got this far and
1:05:52
they're like, oh, he's just talking about getting free gear.
1:05:54
No, I'm not. I'm talking about what the
1:05:59
drummer of Landmarks can bring to this brand that's very small
1:06:05
is worth you getting some money. Like I'm for the worker.
1:06:09
And if that's via a free kit, they're like maybe obviously kit
1:06:17
#1 and you do it and you end up liking the company.
1:06:19
Just make sure you don't get fucked later on because how many
1:06:23
kids are going to buy this drum kit because of you?
1:06:26
True, we will see. I don't know they.
1:06:28
Will bro anyone playing the 3000 people, people are buying drums
1:06:32
based on those. I do get your point.
1:06:34
You wanted to try different snare drums.
1:06:36
I had a couple of different I've got like 10 different snares
1:06:40
that I went out to people to record or I'll sometimes record
1:06:44
with and I didn't get like I didn't get really told off by
1:06:48
tamer. I kind of got a, hey, I noticed
1:06:51
in your stream you're playing a different snare drum.
1:06:54
And I was like, oh, I just like the vibe of it.
1:06:57
And they were like, let us just what do you want?
1:07:01
You can have whatever you want, Please just don't do that again.
1:07:03
And I was like, oh, cool, would you make one that sounds like
1:07:05
this? And they were like, oh, yeah,
1:07:06
cool. And then there was a sound that
1:07:08
I was specifically looking for. And they were.
1:07:11
Tamron was cool enough to be like, oh, we, we can make you
1:07:14
10. Cool, That's it.
1:07:15
Wow. So there is like a there is
1:07:17
there is animal style, there's a secret menu.
1:07:21
Tam, I'm just putting it out there, the secret menu.
1:07:23
But I do respect it. The only thing I would ever want
1:07:28
to do that for, and I thought about it when I left Minor
1:07:32
before I joined Zildjian, I thought about not having a
1:07:36
symbol deal. Yeah, that's.
1:07:38
So I could mix that. I think that's what I'm going to
1:07:41
do is hardware. I'm like so I don't have to play
1:07:45
Mapex hardware. Maybe I could.
1:07:47
Stinky. No offence guys, but fuck me.
1:07:51
Yeah, so I'm like I can play your timer pedal have DW symbol
1:07:56
stands. I'm like, I'm going to buy just
1:08:00
one one time and going to last for.
1:08:04
And we'll see if that works because.
1:08:06
Yeah, dramage is one of the things.
1:08:08
Every good drum kit sounds good. Really everything at the top of
1:08:12
the line comes down to looks. But then it does also come down
1:08:16
to like rental support. You're going to be fuck bro.
1:08:21
They know, they know. I'm like, I'm going to
1:08:24
Australia. You don't have any drums.
1:08:25
They're like we know so. But then your band has to pay to
1:08:29
rent drums. When I go to Australia, I go,
1:08:33
hey Tamer, can I borrow a drum kit?
1:08:34
And they go, there you go. And my band saves money and then
1:08:37
my friends make more money. That's true.
1:08:40
Selfish prick. There's one thing to mention is
1:08:43
like Kevin and I were very bad at business.
1:08:47
Nico's the businessman, yeah. Yeah, we all just like, I want
1:08:50
to play this one. That's it.
1:08:52
I don't care about the money. I kind of like that.
1:08:54
That's cool. I'm the opposite.
1:08:55
I'm the business. I'm the business.
1:08:57
We're just like, yeah, you have to pay, but it's not.
1:09:01
Do they make good snares? You know what?
1:09:03
When when we when we come to to USA, we play on your kit, so
1:09:09
that's not a problem. Yeah, yeah.
1:09:10
Are you using my? Kit not this time, but the first
1:09:13
time, right? With Prada maybe?
1:09:15
Oh yeah, the black. One.
1:09:16
Yeah, there's something, Yeah. So it's figured out.
1:09:18
I gave that kit dying wish, but you ever need a kit?
1:09:22
I've got 2 kits here. That's good.
1:09:23
You could have a kit. That's a good point actually.
1:09:26
You practice in Nashville? Yeah.
1:09:27
Just use my the green one. It's like that.
1:09:30
Tiffany blue, Tiffany blue, Tiffany green.
1:09:33
Tiffany green. What's the colour?
1:09:35
Tiffany blue is a colour OK, not the colour of your side I don't
1:09:38
think. My other one, the old one's
1:09:40
Tiffany Blue, I think, don't know.
1:09:42
Anyway you can borrow that. It's got a bit of stees to it.
1:09:45
I'm kind of disappointed. In I'm gonna.
1:09:47
I'm gonna try. I'm not I, I, I think it's
1:09:49
fucking sick. I just want, you know what,
1:09:51
another point, again, not a business point.
1:09:54
I'm like, so you know Giuseppe from Prada?
1:09:58
Yeah. So he's playing Rogers.
1:10:00
He is, Yeah. We don't have this in France or
1:10:02
maybe in Europe. Maybe they we have some kids.
1:10:05
Yeah, but it's not. Rogers is like the equivalent of
1:10:08
this French brand in the state. Probably were in the 1st.
1:10:11
I'm like, I'm going to play your kid.
1:10:13
You you will not have. Just Giuseppe or everyone?
1:10:16
No, no, everyone, because. Just.
1:10:19
Just you motherfucker can't get. It's like because it's from
1:10:24
France, if you want one, you're going to pay a lot because of
1:10:28
the sheep. Fashion in you coming out.
1:10:30
Yeah, the exclusivity. Fucking Valenciaga, Rick.
1:10:34
Rick Owens over here. I want to Rick Owens drum kit.
1:10:38
Drum kit. Oh, I text the guy yesterday
1:10:41
like, can we make a dual snare? No, stop.
1:10:46
I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
1:10:48
It's. Insane.
1:10:49
I mean, I'm committed. You're committed to the bit.
1:10:52
So, and it's like, I like the thing like now it's.
1:10:55
Got a SJC? I don't care why, Why?
1:10:59
Because they'll make you a Dua Lipa drunkard.
1:11:01
Yeah, they're going to make it. Yeah, it's not French.
1:11:03
Yeah, I'm like French in 2025, when I was young, I remember my
1:11:09
family went on somewhere like Dubai, US.
1:11:13
They came back like, oh, we found this.
1:11:15
You cannot have this in France. Now is Internet.
1:11:19
We can have everything you know. Exclusive.
1:11:22
Exclusive thing. I just like that I like it.
1:11:25
Well, it's cool. I mean, is that Spanish company
1:11:28
vet virus or whatever? Oh yeah.
1:11:30
And that guy, what is it? Estepario?
1:11:33
He like religiously just plays that drum kit because it's from
1:11:37
Spain. And I do think that's really
1:11:39
cool. But like I need that support
1:11:41
from a worldwide. I understand.
1:11:43
I'll see. Maybe it won't work after, you
1:11:46
know, we'll be like, I mean. What's the deal you like
1:11:48
endorsed, really endorsed or if can you?
1:11:52
And. What's the deal?
1:11:54
Basically, how many? Says he's not business.
1:11:57
Seems pretty fucking business. I don't want to say because
1:12:01
they're doing, they're doing something special just for me.
1:12:05
See, I'm about a business. Money off?
1:12:08
Yeah, you're getting a deal. You must be getting a deal for
1:12:10
it. You can't be paying that price.
1:12:12
You got a good, you got a. Is it a good deal or is it's
1:12:15
like just covering? I mean, if it's something you
1:12:17
want anyway and you're getting a discount, then it's better than
1:12:20
nothing. That's how I feel, yeah.
1:12:21
That's that's the point. Sometimes one of the things that
1:12:24
sucks about getting stuff for free is like the and it's not.
1:12:29
Yours. Well, I, I always make sure it
1:12:32
is mine. No, it's mine.
1:12:33
It's not fucking rental but like.
1:12:34
Yeah, I have to send everything back to me obligate, do you, I
1:12:38
think. My vaping like my vape left.
1:12:45
That's fucking crazy. You know what?
1:12:46
Mine will ask for all my symbols back and I said no.
1:12:49
I have one of your symbol in my in the trailer.
1:12:52
Oh, really? Yeah.
1:12:53
From where you stole it? You stole it when?
1:12:58
We we opened the trailer and like this is not my drum head
1:13:02
and not my symbol. Oh, Oh yeah.
1:13:04
I did notice a fair amount my stuff was missing when I moved
1:13:08
here and I started. It's done.
1:13:10
It's about, yeah, it's, it's dumb.
1:13:12
So I have I have a China symbol from you, a minor one.
1:13:16
Oh cool, what a Byzant. No, I don't think.
1:13:19
One of the shit ones. I I would say shit.
1:13:21
Drammy nearly got him. It's, you know.
1:13:23
What I remember I went to minor and I had to get really drummy,
1:13:28
but like I went to minor on one of my US tours and I'd broken 2
1:13:34
Byzant Chinas and I went to get replacements minor USA and they
1:13:37
gave me like 10 like $100 rubbish China's in replacement
1:13:45
for two that I'd paid for. Piss me the fuck off.
1:13:48
You don't have to say anything, it's your fucking brand.
1:13:51
The 2 seconds down the road we squash the beef, we're all good.
1:13:55
But I did think about if Ziljian said, no, we say fucking didn't.
1:14:02
But I thought about doing that and just playing something,
1:14:06
whatever I like. And then also being able to like
1:14:09
I was going to review everything, like, and not having
1:14:12
a company so I can honestly be like, hey, here's this symbol,
1:14:15
it's fucking dog shit or this one's really fucking good.
1:14:19
But then I thought, I will before Zildjian said yes, I was
1:14:23
thinking about that. And I was like, yeah, but that's
1:14:25
the number one. Drums is one thing, but like not
1:14:28
having a symbol endorsement when you break a symbol and it's like
1:14:30
oh now I am $400. Yeah, because I think yeah, like
1:14:34
you and I, I don't know what how it is or what it is to buy a new
1:14:39
symbol like full price since like 10 years.
1:14:42
I only know because now I sell one, and because then I was
1:14:45
like, wow, how much is this going to get sold for?
1:14:46
And they were like 0499. I was like, I'm sorry, what,
1:14:50
$500? Yeah, that's right.
1:14:52
Symbol price. I was like, Oh my God, I'm the
1:14:54
luckiest person on earth. Because like, yeah, my friends,
1:14:57
like even Hugo the drum take when he broke a symbol.
1:15:00
He's like, I'm done, yeah, I'm fucked.
1:15:03
Like what's your symbol is? Is it right crush right?
1:15:06
Crush, right? Yeah, it's fucking awesome.
1:15:08
You should play it, but you can't.
1:15:11
You're playing one tonight. No.
1:15:13
You get in so much trouble. Is he coming?
1:15:16
I. Don't know.
1:15:17
He doesn't care about you. I know you're watching.
1:15:19
Chris. This is a joke.
1:15:21
Hello. OK, it's the end of the headline
1:15:24
tour. Novelists silly goose resolve.
1:15:29
We're in America. The French are known for their
1:15:33
cuisine across the world. They're known for some kind of
1:15:37
weird stuff. Firstly I want to know what you
1:15:40
guys are eating in the States and how the cuisine differs.
1:15:46
Like, do you like it? Do you hate it?
1:15:48
It? Depends for what, but OK,
1:15:51
Floyd's fucking. Peachy, your first refer.
1:15:53
He I have, he's got some stuff to say.
1:15:55
I have no taste I really bad. Thing with Kevin, it doesn't
1:16:00
have the same ability to smell things than than other people in
1:16:05
the planet. Or you can put something for
1:16:07
some reason in my nose I'm like. Well, your whole life, yeah.
1:16:11
Your whole life since your kid. Probably, yeah.
1:16:15
Did you mean? Probably.
1:16:16
When did you know? It didn't.
1:16:18
It didn't notice until when you were 12 or 13 or some.
1:16:22
Maybe I don't. You told me at some point that
1:16:25
his sister said, ohh, it stinks, it's stinks.
1:16:28
Something stinks and and his like no and she's like don't you
1:16:32
smell that? Don't.
1:16:33
You didn't. I just, and I don't.
1:16:35
I remember on tour, we were on the boat like the ferry.
1:16:38
Yeah, I was looking for a new perfume.
1:16:40
I was like Flo help help me out like choose for me because I
1:16:43
cannot. I think it's something in the
1:16:46
nose happening. You should.
1:16:47
Go sometimes at work. I think because my uncle has the
1:16:50
same thing and it was after like a really bad virus and then it
1:16:54
just can just nuke it and I've had it twice.
1:16:57
I'm still getting over it post COVID.
1:17:00
It has to be every COVID. It's funny you mentioned the
1:17:03
perfume thing because we went to Mexico on like a vacation and I,
1:17:10
it was like all you can drink, all you can eat thing.
1:17:13
And I was like, that food's so bland and the drinks are watered
1:17:16
down, but I was getting hammered.
1:17:18
So I was like, oh, they must be because this doesn't taste like
1:17:21
tequila, but I'm getting drunk. So I was like, maybe they're
1:17:25
just putting like, I don't know, pure alcohol in whatever.
1:17:30
And then like I got incredibly drunk because I thought the
1:17:33
drinks were weak. And then on the, the airport on
1:17:36
the way home, I went to Tom Ford to get a new and I was like,
1:17:39
smell this one. And she was like, no, I don't
1:17:41
like that. And I was like, oh, it must be
1:17:42
fake. Like I can't smell it.
1:17:44
And then we picked up something else that I knew and I was like,
1:17:46
Oh no, but it takes me like 6 weeks every time I get COVID.
1:17:50
Six weeks to three months where I can't smell.
1:17:54
But The thing is, sometimes I can smell.
1:17:56
So I don't know. I don't.
1:17:57
Know I just should try fish oil. Yeah.
1:18:01
Omega-3 fish oil. So for me, after COVID,
1:18:07
educational after COVID, it takes me, I have to take three
1:18:11
of those a day Omega threes from for my smile to be normal.
1:18:16
And if I don't the next day it goes away again for like an
1:18:21
extended period of time. And I read into it because I
1:18:24
figured it out by accident and I read into it.
1:18:26
They give it to people who have it's called par.
1:18:30
Osmia is when you can't smell anything and an Osmia is when
1:18:34
you your smell is distorted. But so they did tests on giving
1:18:39
people omega-3 and it does improve it.
1:18:41
OK that would be a good I should try.
1:18:42
You should try it. You smell your perfume.
1:18:45
Yeah. Yeah.
1:18:46
So, yeah. So I'm not that picky with food,
1:18:50
but sometimes it's just. It's the texture it cooks since.
1:18:55
I just, I just, yeah, I just remember.
1:18:57
Is is like. Yeah, the first time, yeah.
1:18:59
So I'm judging by texture most of the time.
1:19:02
But I just remember the first time we we had pizza.
1:19:05
Yeah, it was like 5 cheese doesn't make sense for us
1:19:08
because it's four cheese and never 5 cheese.
1:19:11
Yeah, sunk. Yeah, that's.
1:19:13
True. And we were just like, texture
1:19:15
is good, everything is perfect, but there is no fucking taste.
1:19:19
There is only one cheese, right? Yeah, but you're like, right,
1:19:22
all of you agree. Oh yeah.
1:19:23
Yeah, except Paul. Paul was like I can taste all 5.
1:19:27
No, Paul loves America. Paul loves America so much.
1:19:30
Like he he can actually like anything.
1:19:34
He's like, this is the best thing.
1:19:35
This is the best thing. Yeah.
1:19:37
It was like, oh shit. So you don't care what's your
1:19:39
favorite texture then? If you're going based on
1:19:41
texture, you're a soups guy. That's soup.
1:19:44
Soup. No, no, no, no.
1:19:46
I'm more like is like pasta is the best thing.
1:19:50
Pasta. Pasta.
1:19:51
OK, So what do you feel about American cuisine?
1:19:54
So the first time, first time, a first experience was so weird.
1:20:00
Like it, it felt like also there was our first tour.
1:20:03
We didn't have any money, Yeah, we didn't go to restaurant and
1:20:07
stuff. So we were basically just eating
1:20:09
on. How do you say when?
1:20:12
Gas station gas. Station exactly.
1:20:13
Oh yeah, yeah. So obviously, and it was like
1:20:18
everything, everything, so anything.
1:20:22
So it, it doesn't taste like the, the, the food doesn't taste
1:20:25
like what I'm eating right now. Like, for example, I don't know,
1:20:30
vegetable doesn't have the same taste that I'm used to.
1:20:34
And also there's a lot of spice that they just had spice
1:20:39
everywhere, everywhere. So, so it, it has more, so it's
1:20:43
more tasteful and I'm, I can't stand spice.
1:20:46
It's hot things, hot plates. I it's just I, I don't.
1:20:50
Is that for vocals or is that just in general?
1:20:53
No, in general I don't eat anything spicy, so whenever
1:20:56
there's pepper it's too much for me.
1:20:58
Peppers too spicy? Like when there's a lot of
1:21:01
pepper, too spicy for me, Yeah. Yeah.
1:21:04
So the first time I was like, wow, it's hard for me here.
1:21:07
But now this year and last year especially, and also this year,
1:21:11
I was like, I kind of understand now how they made food on how I
1:21:19
understand their, their tastes more, a little bit more.
1:21:22
And I'm, I tried things that I really like.
1:21:25
I did a lot of Asian because it's it's easy.
1:21:28
Without spice though. Without spice, Yeah.
1:21:32
Yeah. Madison's turning in our grave
1:21:34
over there. Sorry, no spice.
1:21:36
We have really good Asian food without spice.
1:21:38
It doesn't have to be spicy. You guys sound racist.
1:21:43
Let me be offended for you, OK? I'm being offended for you, OK?
1:21:48
Asian food? What about like fast food?
1:21:51
So fast food. So we tried.
1:21:53
We tried in and out. In and out is great.
1:21:55
In and Out's number one for me burger.
1:21:57
Wise. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:21:59
Do you know? Maybe our first burger is
1:22:01
Muddy's Paddy's. I don't.
1:22:03
Know I think it's there is only one in Toronto and now one in
1:22:07
USI don't know where this one is insane.
1:22:11
No, you know my favorite? I'll I'll eat my favorite
1:22:14
tomorrow. It's the.
1:22:16
Yes, I know. It's a shop called Mom's
1:22:19
Spaghetti. Oh, yeah, in Detroit.
1:22:21
Yeah, Yeah. All right.
1:22:22
That is legitimate. It's the M and M1, isn't it?
1:22:24
Yeah, legitimately. Good.
1:22:25
Yeah, Yeah. So.
1:22:26
We tried. We just, we just wanted to go
1:22:28
there to for fun because I'm a big M&M fan.
1:22:31
And, and so we had to try, we had to try the meatballs,
1:22:35
spaghetti, it's. Like a sandwich.
1:22:37
Sandwich Spaghetti a. Spaghetti sandwich.
1:22:40
I didn't get that. I got the spaghetti meatballs,
1:22:42
OK, And it was awesome. I really liked it.
1:22:45
And out of that little window just around the corner, Yeah,
1:22:47
yeah, yeah. You have to order outside and.
1:22:50
We had the spaghetti sandwich, so basically a square sandwich
1:22:54
with a lot of cheese and spaghetti and and tomato and
1:22:57
tomato. And that was good.
1:22:58
We were surprised that was good. I was like, is it just me
1:23:01
because I'm excited to be here or is is it really good?
1:23:03
And the boy said, actually it's pretty good for a first.
1:23:06
Don't trust him, he can't take. True, that's true.
1:23:09
What I want to do to highlight French cuisine is I'm going to
1:23:13
name some things that the French are known for eating.
1:23:16
If anyone doesn't know, the French, French and the British
1:23:18
have a little enemies thing. We don't personally, but we call
1:23:23
French people frogs, which is racist.
1:23:26
Yeah, true. By we, I don't mean me.
1:23:28
I mean, that's like the bad term.
1:23:32
And then what's the bad term for the British?
1:23:35
We say, we say, we say beef, right?
1:23:36
Roast beef. Yeah, there's roast beef.
1:23:39
Which is we just picked apart each other's food choices.
1:23:43
We have roast beef on a Sunday and they have been known to eat
1:23:47
frogs legs. That's true.
1:23:49
And there is another one, though there's an older one, which is
1:23:51
like leg goddamn, which are leg goddamn, which apparently,
1:23:55
apparently it's an older one from whenever there was some war
1:23:59
between the two places and the English people would say God
1:24:02
damn all the time. So the French that, like,
1:24:05
predates roast beefs. I don't.
1:24:08
Know. OK, never knew that one.
1:24:09
So I'm going to reel off some French cuisine.
1:24:12
Let's go. I'd love you to tell me if
1:24:13
you've had it and what you thought of it.
1:24:15
OK, frogs legs. Yeah.
1:24:18
Never. You've never had it?
1:24:19
No. Even I've had frogs legs.
1:24:22
No, I never. It's good.
1:24:24
No, no, you wouldn't do it. I will try, I don't know why I
1:24:28
didn't. Is it like a thing that you can
1:24:30
get anywhere in France? It's not that common.
1:24:35
Yeah, are we eating French? I mean, it's not, it's not that
1:24:39
common. You have to be in a you know to.
1:24:42
A specific restaurant, not it's not everywhere.
1:24:45
Like, you sure had a barbecue in France and someone had frogs
1:24:48
legs and it tasted like chicken. Really.
1:24:50
It was awesome. All right.
1:24:51
It was like lemon. It was.
1:24:52
I'll tell you what it was like. It was like a lemon pepper wing.
1:24:55
Stop. Oh, wow.
1:24:56
But made from frogs. But it's it's, it's like really
1:24:59
produced. I was tired though, so in my
1:25:02
head. A frog.
1:25:03
Frog is small, so yeah. It was like they were like,
1:25:06
basically like a chicken wing. Yeah, yeah.
1:25:08
You're never going to have tried the rest of them.
1:25:10
I wonder if you even know what some of these right?
1:25:12
OK, escargot. I try that a lot.
1:25:15
What is escargot bro? What is it?
1:25:17
Yeah, you want me to describe. I would love you to describe it
1:25:20
is escargot is how do you say Lima?
1:25:26
Said Lima. Snail.
1:25:27
Snail. You know, You know what it I
1:25:29
know, I know. What it is?
1:25:31
I just wanted it from you. It's so it's so it's smeg snail
1:25:34
snail. Snail.
1:25:35
True. Smeg is something else.
1:25:37
That's what's accumulates on a penis when it's unwashed.
1:25:40
True. Don't say that instead of oh, do
1:25:42
you guys have the snail? Yeah, let me just whip some up
1:25:46
Dad's spaghetti. So it's a snail with shell.
1:25:51
It's it's it's a mix between a snail and a turtle.
1:25:55
It's a snail with a shell, yeah. Oh, wait, a Scargo is like, no,
1:25:59
you're thinking of a snail. Is the thing with the shell.
1:26:02
No. Oh, OK.
1:26:03
A slug is with just a No. True.
1:26:06
True. True.
1:26:07
I mean true. Sorry.
1:26:08
And as far as I know, you guys don't eat slugs, just snails.
1:26:12
Yeah. Yeah, of course.
1:26:13
And it's done with garlic and butter.
1:26:17
Yeah. Have you had it?
1:26:18
Yes. I just tried one time and it was
1:26:21
great. I was so scared to try.
1:26:24
Like, yeah, it's disgusting. It's fine.
1:26:26
It was good. It's fine.
1:26:28
Hey, I'm on board. I thought it was.
1:26:29
I thought it was great, but the concept of eating a snail is
1:26:32
fuck. Yeah, that's why I was like,
1:26:34
it's, you know, I was at my friends house.
1:26:36
I was like, OK, it's today, let me try.
1:26:38
It's today. What?
1:26:40
Is the texture of it. It's really chewy.
1:26:43
It's chewy, yeah, but my grandmother had the how do you
1:26:47
say recipe, recipe recipe that is quite different than the
1:26:52
butter and the would you say the.
1:26:55
Garlic. The garlic.
1:26:57
It was more I it was when I was really young so I don't remember
1:27:01
exactly, but it was more red like tomato, something not spicy
1:27:08
though not spicy. And it was so good, like like a
1:27:14
plate of pasta. It like it tasted tasted.
1:27:17
A plate of snails. No.
1:27:18
I mean, yeah, but you still have to.
1:27:20
Scoop them out. Do the scoop.
1:27:22
So did did did you do that? Did you have to put it off I?
1:27:25
Just don't remember, I think it was not. 4 because that's the
1:27:28
best part, actually. Yeah, that's that's the whole
1:27:30
thing. Maybe it was another thing.
1:27:32
It it was as cargo, obviously, yeah, but.
1:27:36
It was without without the the shell it can happen I.
1:27:40
Don't remember it was hot. Is it hot?
1:27:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they cook.
1:27:45
Because I don't have this remember.
1:27:46
Like it's chewy. I don't have this remember.
1:27:49
So, so that was my point. It wasn't that chewy with my
1:27:51
grandmother. No, not me the grandmother way
1:27:53
it was. It was more.
1:27:54
Maybe I have bad ones. I think I am from the same
1:27:57
French BBQ. No fucking.
1:28:00
I've got a question for you. Right?
1:28:02
Your grandma, did she go to a shop to buy the snails or she
1:28:05
just like rooting around the garden?
1:28:06
No, in the garden. The garden, Fuck out of the
1:28:08
garden. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:28:10
Out of our of her. Just roaming around picking up
1:28:14
snails. Oh yeah, they they had so many.
1:28:17
Yeah, that's legitimately sick. OK, next.
1:28:20
Now we've got some bangers. OK, this one.
1:28:22
I've had this one steak tartar. Steak tartar, all right?
1:28:26
I don't even. I'm not.
1:28:28
I think no. You know what it is?
1:28:29
We're not a fan. Yeah, we know Rudy's Rudy.
1:28:32
Rudy's the steak master. Yeah.
1:28:34
I never had. Is it?
1:28:35
Is it, is it only French? Is it a French thing?
1:28:37
Yeah, it's a French thing. It is raw beef.
1:28:40
Raw, Yeah, with an egg yolk on top of it.
1:28:42
Yeah, I never tried. So the boys like that,
1:28:45
especially Rudy Julian, they like that.
1:28:48
Not Nico. Nico doesn't eat like raw, raw
1:28:51
meat. And we do not, we do not eat raw
1:28:54
meat. I want to get on board with
1:28:56
steak tartare, but like everything on earth ever has
1:28:59
told me not to eat steak. Yeah, that raw.
1:29:02
Like when the outside is raw as well.
1:29:04
Yeah. But I imagine they pro it's made
1:29:07
correctly. Yeah.
1:29:08
Yeah. But that's probably where I draw
1:29:09
the line. It has to be made correctly.
1:29:11
I'm so I'm so afraid of it. Like my, my stomach is too.
1:29:15
No, it's it's too. Don't get this man a spicy
1:29:18
steak. Yeah, Yeah.
1:29:20
No, yeah. OK, let's see if you know what
1:29:22
this one is and if I butcher the pronunciation.
1:29:25
Coule, yeah, mouton kui de muton.
1:29:29
I mean, I guess, I guess it's kui like.
1:29:32
Kui like balls balls. Oh.
1:29:35
Shit, no, never. Apparently that's a go to.
1:29:39
Yeah, yeah. But.
1:29:40
French cuisine. Wow.
1:29:41
Yeah. No, never tried.
1:29:42
No, never. Never tried, no, but we eat
1:29:45
pretty disgusting things from the mouton or the whatever we
1:29:49
eat, we eat like. What do you say?
1:29:51
Like and yet it's like the the we say the the the trip.
1:29:59
I don't know how to say how to say that in English.
1:30:00
It's like the inside. Like, oh, tribe, tribe, I guess.
1:30:03
Yeah. And then you eat.
1:30:04
This one is my last one on the list.
1:30:06
Tete Devoe. Ted Devoe, I think I tried that.
1:30:10
I'm not sure when I was younger, maybe during the like, how do
1:30:16
you say in December when it was Christmas, Christmas or stuff
1:30:19
maybe I'm not sure about that. Do.
1:30:21
You remember what it was, Ted Devoe.
1:30:24
Ted Devoe, No, I don't remember. Maybe it is the head.
1:30:27
Yeah. It is the head of a calf.
1:30:29
Yeah, the whole head is fucking metal.
1:30:32
Everything it is, it is, is metal as fuck.
1:30:35
But we like, maybe not, but we eat most of most of the part of
1:30:40
those animals, like the it's not the most metal culinary place in
1:30:45
the world. And what are you going to have
1:30:46
for dinner Head? It's going to be a fucking head
1:30:50
testicle. So you're not finding much sheep
1:30:53
bollocks on tour, just mainly in and out and stuff like that.
1:30:57
Yeah. I just wanted to know, I wanted
1:30:58
to know if you if it was like, because I don't know if it was
1:31:01
normal food because you had the snails with your grandma.
1:31:05
That's relatively normal. Yeah, so what's, what's the?
1:31:10
There's no question. OK, yeah, no, but I some stories
1:31:14
you can tell us French people, like most of the tour we did in
1:31:17
in the US like last time, half of the time we we were cooking
1:31:22
ourselves. Yeah, in the bandwagon.
1:31:24
Nice. I, I remember on the Prada tour,
1:31:26
they were like, what are you doing?
1:31:28
What? The fuck are you doing?
1:31:29
And they went, they went to a bandwagon to have a a boil of
1:31:32
ramen or some some fish that Rudy's made.
1:31:35
Rudy and Julian cooked insane. Thing.
1:31:37
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. With what?
1:31:39
We have two rice cooker and one How do you cook?
1:31:42
OK. Grill.
1:31:43
Yeah, sort of. Sort of, sort of, yeah.
1:31:46
Yeah, Pan no. Yeah, sort of thing with the
1:31:48
flame. No, but like electric thing?
1:31:50
Yeah, electric thing too. So we can cook everything.
1:31:53
Yeah, so you may figured it out. You cook.
1:31:56
Yeah, not on this tour, but when that was been the.
1:31:58
French, yeah, they cooked a lot of time like.
1:32:02
Really saved money. Oh yeah, yeah, Oh yeah.
1:32:04
So we went to Walmart and grabbed some food for a few
1:32:08
days. What were they cooking up?
1:32:10
I remember one time we had like a big salmon and Oh yeah.
1:32:13
Vegetables. Vegetables, salmon.
1:32:15
Like Rudy's way. Rudy's Rudy's like, he's like,
1:32:19
you do you know that trick? Like when you put salmon upside
1:32:24
down and then you put the juice up afterward and you're like,
1:32:27
no, I don't. And he's like, try that.
1:32:30
And we're like, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
1:32:32
I have a question though. This is in a bandwagon.
1:32:34
Yeah, yeah. So people don't know Bandwagon
1:32:36
is 9 bunks followed immediately by a living room slash kitchen
1:32:43
slash No, Yeah, that's pretty much it.
1:32:46
Yeah. 1 little desk in it. Yeah.
1:32:48
So like, if you're cooking salmon, then I stink out the
1:32:52
whole fucking yeah. Yes, of course, but you have to
1:32:55
open everything. You open all the windows.
1:32:57
You're fine with that. When Rudy and Julian cooked.
1:33:00
I guess it's. Sounds good, it smells good and.
1:33:04
Fucking the rest of the bands coming on the bus for a party
1:33:06
and it's like sounds like fucking fishy Kev's like, I
1:33:10
don't know what you're talking about.
1:33:12
Yeah, you don't care. There's no point.
1:33:13
True, true. Last time I I put like some
1:33:16
vegetables on the microwave. Yeah, people were like, oh, it
1:33:19
smells shit. I was like.
1:33:21
Maybe. Oh yeah, what's wrong?
1:33:22
I'll just say broccoli. What's?
1:33:24
Broccoli. Broccoli, Broccoli taste.
1:33:27
It smells shit. Smells like very strong, right?
1:33:29
It smells. Farts.
1:33:30
And we're all like, bro, what the?
1:33:32
Fuck, I was like fuck off. It smells fine.
1:33:37
OK bro, because you're you know what?
1:33:40
You're not doing wonders for the French smell.
1:33:44
Yeah, that's another racist trope that I, you know, I'm not
1:33:48
part of. But you've got any others for
1:33:50
English people? Most like the goat.
1:33:52
Other than roast beef, what do you fucking hate about English
1:33:55
people? Not you, but the French as a
1:33:57
whole feel like there's more beef.
1:34:00
Not literal beef, but like French people hate English
1:34:04
people really not like you know? You know what we hate?
1:34:07
It's not English people, it's English weather.
1:34:10
Oh yeah. Your guys isn't that much
1:34:12
better. You live in Marseille, I.
1:34:17
Fucking. Love Marseille, And that's
1:34:19
because you're so close to Africa.
1:34:20
Like whatever is. Good, so good actually looks
1:34:24
like to me when so we've been to LA and every time I'm like LA is
1:34:29
really cool, but it feels like it looks a little bit like
1:34:34
Marseille. I'm not that impressed really.
1:34:36
I'm impressed because. When we want.
1:34:38
To way bigger and way crazier than, but it we, we we're, we're
1:34:43
Marseille is kind of a like LA, let's say.
1:34:46
Yeah, like we, we went to Venice Beach.
1:34:48
We were like, we have the same thing.
1:34:50
And it's it's even more beautiful.
1:34:51
We got the skate park, we got the.
1:34:53
The like same thing, skate park, the beach really looked the
1:34:56
same. Marseille quite dangerous.
1:34:59
That's one people say. What?
1:35:02
I mean, we're comparing it with LA, which is also quite
1:35:04
dangerous. But yeah, is it?
1:35:06
I had heard previously it's one of the most dangerous places in
1:35:08
France. That's what they say, but.
1:35:10
It's that's what people say. We had a lot of drug dealer, but
1:35:14
they're gonna shot each others. Yeah.
1:35:16
So it's you. So nothing's gonna happen to
1:35:19
you. Oh, I don't.
1:35:20
I'm gonna fuck. No, no, but please.
1:35:22
That's. I just mean in general, like I
1:35:24
had heard it's, I think I watched a program, it was not.
1:35:26
I think it's like every big cities.
1:35:29
No, it's, it's it's just a big city.
1:35:30
Yeah. It's not more dangerous than
1:35:32
Paris. They can steal your whatever,
1:35:34
your phone, your thing, but. It's it's a big city.
1:35:37
It's you guys love a riot as well.
1:35:38
Last time I was in Marseille, I wasn't with Stray.
1:35:42
Who was I with? I can't remember.
1:35:43
Brutality would prevail. And there was a there was a riot
1:35:45
for something, someone had done something in the government like
1:35:49
relatively minor. And it was like, well, OK, all
1:35:52
the roads are sharp. It's friends.
1:35:54
It's fucking sick. Could you see that?
1:35:56
How do you say that? The Prime Minister.
1:35:57
Like I'm just like the Prime Minister.
1:35:59
Prime Minister, Prime Minister like we, we had a Prime Minister
1:36:03
for like what, 5 days? And then is, is half now is
1:36:07
like, it's crazy. There's always something.
1:36:09
Always. We.
1:36:10
We on this tour, we can sell the first flight because of this
1:36:16
already, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.
1:36:18
We were supposed to riot was happening the day we were the
1:36:20
day we were supposed to leave. So we were like, it's not going
1:36:24
to happen because people are going to be on the street like
1:36:26
they're going to block train stations, trains and everything.
1:36:31
So we are, we are like you have to postpone the offline.
1:36:34
Yeah, true it. Happens all the time.
1:36:36
You would think there'd be more metal bands that come out of
1:36:40
France based on the history of like, rebelling against the
1:36:44
government. There's really not that many.
1:36:45
Yeah, but they're doing rap. I guess we had one.
1:36:49
We had one heavy metal rock bands called Trust.
1:36:55
I don't know. They they they sing.
1:36:57
I mean, they I would just say they sung like the best of sing.
1:37:00
They sung, they sung, right. They sung in in French.
1:37:04
So that's why you never heard of them.
1:37:07
And their main single was named Antisocial.
1:37:11
So it was a thing back then. Yeah.
1:37:14
Yeah. True.
1:37:14
Not not, not really anymore. I don't know.
1:37:16
We don't have an equivalent of maybe.
1:37:19
Guys or a Rage Against Machine? Or something like that.
1:37:22
Yeah, I. Mean Rogera has quite a lot, but
1:37:25
it's not against the French government.
1:37:27
True. Again, true.
1:37:28
Maybe punk music, but they are not famous.
1:37:31
Yeah, I know. In fact, this is a good segue
1:37:33
into what I was going to say. There isn't that many big metal
1:37:36
bands from France. You guys just won an award, like
1:37:41
yeah, yesterday. Yeah, true, true.
1:37:44
Yeah. What's the name of the awards?
1:37:46
Food, which is a new. It's, yeah, it's new first,
1:37:49
first. New award ceremony for heavy
1:37:51
music. In France, yeah, it's the first
1:37:53
one actually. And the first one.
1:37:54
And you guys won best band and best album.
1:37:58
Yeah, like yeah, best artist of best artist.
1:38:00
Of the year and best album. Yeah, true.
1:38:03
Did you? You can't have went because it
1:38:04
was yesterday who who collected the award.
1:38:07
So it was our producer and you say publisher.
1:38:13
Yeah. So our team basically and we, we
1:38:15
did, we did a little video. We did a little video.
1:38:18
And yeah, yeah, we, we saw the whole thing yesterday.
1:38:21
I'm streaming that. That was great, actually.
1:38:23
That was cool. Was it big?
1:38:24
Was it like? A.
1:38:25
Was it that it was at the backlog?
1:38:28
It was. That once.
1:38:29
It was quite big. It was on, on French because we
1:38:31
we had, we had previously, we, we had other like ceremony like
1:38:35
that, like for example. Yeah, it was.
1:38:39
That's like the Grammys, no? No, no, no, no.
1:38:42
It's a tiny thing that that that was made by one of our friend
1:38:45
Archer and he did the first kind of independent, independent
1:38:50
ceremony for middle. But those guys, they are like
1:38:54
all all the all the professional in how would you say music
1:38:58
professional, like publisher, editor, labels and stuff.
1:39:02
It's like the big guys in the metal industry, in the in the
1:39:04
country, they decided to to make like a big ceremony.
1:39:08
Yeah. And so they they have, they have
1:39:10
a lot more. How would you say there whatever
1:39:13
I mean, what I wanted to say is that they they streamed that on
1:39:18
like public television is. That doesn't make sense.
1:39:21
Yeah, it was on the TV. So yeah, it wasn't TV,
1:39:24
basically. That's cool.
1:39:25
So. Yeah, that's that's very cool.
1:39:27
That's insane. So.
1:39:29
First time ever. It's quite a big thing, I'd say.
1:39:32
Yeah, I feel like. I've been told in the past that
1:39:36
there's a thing in the French heavy music scene where it's
1:39:39
your responsibility to elevate smaller bands from France.
1:39:47
Is that true? Because I've heard, I've heard
1:39:50
people criticize Gojira for not doing it enough.
1:39:54
Is that OK? Someone make that up.
1:39:57
I'm not going to name who it was.
1:39:58
It wasn't some of them your band.
1:39:59
They were from a different French band.
1:40:01
I think we never. I don't know about Gojira
1:40:04
because like, they've been a band for 20.
1:40:06
Yeah, and they definitely brought French bands on top.
1:40:08
Definitely, and they still did do sorry, but like, for example,
1:40:15
Nico and me, we, we, we always tried.
1:40:19
So we, we, we also work at, you know, I mean, we're producers
1:40:22
and recording studio and stuff and we, and we always want,
1:40:27
wanted to like bring bands to our studio, try to improve
1:40:33
their, their song, but also their career with anything we,
1:40:39
we learn since. So we like, for example, Nico
1:40:44
like organized shows. Yeah, when he was young.
1:40:48
I tried to record as many friends as possible.
1:40:51
Low price you recorded. My my band.
1:40:55
I recorded your band and like very, very low price price and
1:40:59
stuff and I buy. That may might be why people
1:41:03
said that we we try to. Bring up the French.
1:41:07
The the French scene, like try to do things for the French
1:41:11
scene, like doing a festival in Marseille.
1:41:13
Bring bring all those bands, like 20 bands from Marseille.
1:41:17
Yeah. So it's not like what you say,
1:41:21
like a goal, a way of life, let's say.
1:41:24
But seems like we're doing it by all those tiny stuff that we're
1:41:28
doing. And that might be why I tried.
1:41:33
I tried to make a list of French heavy bands that I know OK, and
1:41:37
once I got rid of all of the sketchy black metal I was left
1:41:43
with one hand and I think I got Gojira landmarks.
1:41:50
Remember that man? Hackrid.
1:41:51
Accurate. Accurate.
1:41:52
By name, By name they. Were like, it was kind of like
1:41:56
heavy, really heavy, kind of new mentally.
1:42:00
It was like early 2000s. OK, they were saying, all right,
1:42:03
I don't know if any of these bands are cancelled now, by the
1:42:05
way, So don't come and get me for that.
1:42:06
I won't name the cancelled ones. Alcest.
1:42:09
Yeah, one of my favorite. Yeah, they're very good and.
1:42:12
Then, obviously, novelists head Buster.
1:42:15
Oh yeah. Head Buster, Head Buster, Let's
1:42:18
go. Are there any other bands that
1:42:19
people should check out Because it doesn't really get here.
1:42:22
This is. Really.
1:42:23
Yeah, this is your chance to shout out some good French.
1:42:26
So you missed resolve. Resolve.
1:42:29
They're on tour. Wow, they're.
1:42:30
On this tour as well. They're on this tour.
1:42:32
Oh, you're like, Oh yeah, I don't know, maybe we bring up
1:42:34
other bands. You got 2 fucking French bands
1:42:36
on AUS tour. Not true we in terms of bringing
1:42:40
bands on tour, which we always try.
1:42:42
Yeah, we did like like after Kovid, I think we were the first
1:42:46
band touring in Europe. Yeah, after Kovid and allowed
1:42:50
to. Yeah, and it was a full French
1:42:53
tour. Yeah, only 1056.
1:42:55
Yeah, Resolve and Glass Bone. Yeah, that's landmarks and we
1:43:01
always try. Like for example, I produced the
1:43:06
last Rise of the North Star album.
1:43:09
I forgot their friend, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:43:10
And they're they're doing well in Europe.
1:43:14
I thought they were Japanese for the longest time.
1:43:16
They have masks on and like the whole aesthetic Japanese band
1:43:20
sounds. Japanese ends up as French,
1:43:22
yeah. And yeah, try always trying to
1:43:25
help when, when we can, like just try to bring on tour, try
1:43:29
to do featurings, try to try to collaborate whenever.
1:43:32
So I don't know who told you that.
1:43:34
And that's our, it's our goal too.
1:43:36
But we try, I mean, we like it. We like, we like having and, and
1:43:39
also people notice now that there's a scene happening in
1:43:42
France. Yeah.
1:43:44
And it's exciting for everyone, if not only for us.
1:43:47
It's, it's, it's good for everyone.
1:43:48
Like if if a band if one of favorite band is Resolve or
1:43:52
Ashen or whatever, they might listen to landmarks after
1:43:56
landmarks after listening to Resolve.
1:43:58
So 1056 is on tour in US, right? 1056 on 20, like 75% count.
1:44:05
Aaron is he's English. He's English, yeah, he said.
1:44:09
I mean, like with a French, a first language French singer,
1:44:12
not I'm not saying that man is French.
1:44:15
So what else? What else would we have?
1:44:16
What other bands or. Rise of the North Stars.
1:44:19
Yeah, there's a lot. Actually.
1:44:21
There's a lot. I mean, there's like 20 bands
1:44:23
from Marseille that I would like to shoot out, but this is just
1:44:26
too much. I'm thinking of my friend like
1:44:28
from spleen. Yeah, playing or we got a ban
1:44:33
from. Do you remember my drum tech?
1:44:35
Yeah. So he he has a really cool ban
1:44:38
from Marseille or is like a URORE.
1:44:43
OK, what kind of what kind of thing?
1:44:45
It's like modern metal slash hardcore.
1:44:49
It's it's great has. Kojira ever approached you about
1:44:54
doing anything? Yeah, I mean.
1:44:58
We talked, but nothing. You would think you would be #1.
1:45:04
You think you'd be #1? I mean, you know what, what,
1:45:08
what we like like last this summer.
1:45:11
We we spend time with. Them we spend a lot of time with
1:45:13
Mario, yeah, and he was the he was the nicest person on earth.
1:45:17
Fucking nice. All the other boys were also the
1:45:20
nicest person. Yeah, you.
1:45:21
Were not here, but we had a night with all the guys except
1:45:25
Joe, but we just went to watch like Machine Head.
1:45:30
We watched all Denmarks, all Gojira, and after they were
1:45:33
like, yeah, come backstage, so and we did the most French thing
1:45:37
like eating cheese and drinking wine, drinking and talking.
1:45:41
French eating sheeps bollocks. Just you and the fucking boys.
1:45:45
That's cool. That's a tour I'd fucking love
1:45:47
to see. But like in France, where would
1:45:49
you even fucking play? That has to be stadiums.
1:45:52
Yeah. They they're going to play at
1:45:54
the end of the year. It's they need an arena.
1:45:57
They just, it's just all arenas now.
1:45:59
Yeah, yeah. Probably.
1:46:01
That's crazy. That's crazy.
1:46:02
Anyway, you're going to give me two truths on a line and we're
1:46:05
done. Because you've got.
1:46:06
Oh yeah, yeah, all. Right, let's go try to remember
1:46:09
what we said. Me first or you first, not me
1:46:13
first. You don't want it 83 and 3.
1:46:15
No, no, no, 111 and and one. Yeah.
1:46:20
All right. So my my first one is that I've
1:46:25
been arrested by the police for graffiti vandalism.
1:46:35
OK. Give me another one.
1:46:37
I made a video, a drum video with dildos and it becomes viral
1:46:42
like French TV and things. French TV and things.
1:46:47
OK, OK. And what's the what's the third
1:46:50
one? The third one is also graffiti
1:46:53
related. I almost died wild graffiti at
1:47:02
night cause I've 'cause I I've been stuck in I.
1:47:09
I don't know the exact word in English.
1:47:13
Trying to hide from police car. OK, Trying to hide into a tunnel
1:47:20
that led into the sewer. Yeah, sewer is correct.
1:47:24
Sewer, right? English cool guy you got stuck
1:47:27
in the sewer. Stuck in sort of a conjum.
1:47:30
Tree tunnel. A tube.
1:47:32
A tube. With no lights.
1:47:35
The darkest place you've ever been.
1:47:37
Very claustropho, very claustrophobic.
1:47:40
That might be the reason I'm so claustrophobic now.
1:47:43
OK, let's start with that one and work backwards.
1:47:46
How long ago was this? That was 10 years ago.
1:47:49
How long you been doing graffiti?
1:47:50
Since I'm 15. Are you good?
1:47:55
I'm OK. I mean, you're fucking good at
1:47:57
everything else, so I imagine you're like, oh, I'm OK.
1:47:59
And I see it. It's like, oh, it's the Sistine
1:48:01
Chapel by no. No, I'm doing letters only.
1:48:06
So not not characters. I'm doing just like the big like
1:48:12
bubble big letters like like. What's your tag?
1:48:16
Oh, you can't tell me because it's illegal.
1:48:18
You're going to see it tonight. He's doing graffiti on stage
1:48:20
every night. Yeah, actually, yeah.
1:48:22
Yeah, you're going to see it tonight, Yeah.
1:48:24
What? That's so funny.
1:48:26
Is that your production? You doing graffiti?
1:48:27
Yeah, yeah, every night. Yeah, that's so sick.
1:48:30
Can you tell me what your tag is?
1:48:32
Yes. So my tag is PEAN ping ping.
1:48:37
What does it mean? Nothing.
1:48:38
Do you like the way the letters looked when you were writing
1:48:41
them? Yeah, it's kind of cool.
1:48:43
So can people see ping graffiti around Marseille?
1:48:47
Yeah, there's, there's, there's one of two left, some, some
1:48:52
somewhere because I stopped. I stopped doing it like in 10
1:48:54
years, like, but there's two left.
1:48:56
Yeah, I think. I think you can find one or two
1:48:59
somewhere in the street. Yeah.
1:49:00
I've got French Banksy pick it back.
1:49:03
So when you go on stage where where does it?
1:49:06
You do it on a piece of wood or. No, I, I have a big Canva.
1:49:11
Yeah. And I just, I just write it.
1:49:14
I do the V have landmarks on stage.
1:49:16
I just do the V Big V. That's fucking awesome.
1:49:19
My I did art in high school and I failed because I didn't know
1:49:25
that you had to do loads of writing there.
1:49:28
Like there was half of it was like the practical doing the
1:49:30
art. And then half of it was like
1:49:33
writing about the history of art.
1:49:34
And I was like, that's not why I signed up and I didn't do it and
1:49:36
I failed. But my practical piece was a bit
1:49:40
of graffiti. Not really.
1:49:41
Yeah, I have graffiti in my blood.
1:49:43
That's why. Let's go do it when I was a kid.
1:49:46
You're doing you're doing all the the don't beat stuff or I
1:49:50
because I saw you drawing on on the drum heads and pretty,
1:49:54
pretty insane. Stuff.
1:49:55
I draw it badly and then I send it to different people and I go,
1:49:58
can you make this look good? OK, pretty much.
1:50:01
Good. Good.
1:50:02
Let's go to you dildo thing now. What colour were the dildos?
1:50:07
Skin colour. Skin colour, Yeah.
1:50:10
How big? Like.
1:50:10
This. Medium size suction cup or just
1:50:15
the standard? Do they have balls?
1:50:17
Oh no, no, no, there's only penis it.
1:50:20
Was it like a fleshy penis or was it, you know, just like a
1:50:24
standard? Standard thing you can put like
1:50:27
batteries. It can vibrate.
1:50:30
OK, it was not mine. What was the song?
1:50:32
It was from a French brand, a French band.
1:50:35
How long ago was this? I think 15.
1:50:39
OK, so it was a song with some friends and then it how did it
1:50:45
end up on TV? It's a good question.
1:50:48
Oh, it's it was like. It's a fucking lie.
1:50:50
Anyway, I'm going to go. I'm going back.
1:50:52
I'm going back to you. How did you get stuck in the
1:50:54
tunnel like you're escaping? So I was in total dark in in
1:51:04
water, in dirty water. So what?
1:51:06
The police came while we were rioting.
1:51:09
No, no, I was paying on on the on the night way cut kind of big
1:51:15
Rd. And when when you see like sort
1:51:22
of pull not police. It's not it's not necessarily
1:51:25
police, but it's like vehicles with with sirens highways.
1:51:30
Yeah, exactly. Trying to hide.
1:51:32
You're trying to hide somewhere. And I saw a tunnel, I saw a
1:51:37
tunnel. And every time I saw a car, I
1:51:39
just went into that tunnel a little bit just to hide, wait,
1:51:43
wait to the for the car to pass and then finish my my graffiti.
1:51:47
At some point I thought it was the police, so I went into this
1:51:51
tunnel, but too much, too much into it to like, I want to how'd
1:51:58
you say too deep into it and at the end of the tunnel.
1:52:02
The tunnel drop when you fell down the drop.
1:52:04
Yeah, and was dirty water and I couldn't like how'd you say I I
1:52:11
I couldn't see anything and it took me few seconds, but it fell
1:52:18
few hours to noticed they they were ladder.
1:52:26
Yeah, ladder to climb. To climb back up, Yeah, it's
1:52:28
really hard to do these with French because I don't know if
1:52:31
you're thinking of the right word in English or you are lying
1:52:36
back to you shortly for a second.
1:52:37
Where did you buy these dildos? It was not mine.
1:52:41
Yeah, who bought the dildos? It it was a friend they did a
1:52:45
photo shoot for like condoms or things they were.
1:52:48
So French. He told me that there was like
1:52:50
an explosion of hundreds dildos and at the end they were like
1:52:54
can we have some? I went to my friend's house
1:52:56
looking on the this thing. I was like why do you have
1:52:59
dildos? Give it to me?
1:53:02
Started playing on my knees and was like can I keep it with me?
1:53:05
God damn now so I went so specific I was sure that one was
1:53:08
a lie. So I went to my house and I just
1:53:12
put it away from months and one night, some summer night was
1:53:16
like, let's do something stupid. So I made this video.
1:53:20
Made the video right now that's so specific.
1:53:22
I was so convinced that one was the lie and I was coming back
1:53:25
for blood. But and then the first one, you
1:53:29
did get arrested. The first one I did get
1:53:31
arrested. You did get arrested for
1:53:33
graffiti separate incident than the other incidents separate.
1:53:37
I'm going to guess now, but then I want the story.
1:53:42
I think falling into the sewer is a lie.
1:53:46
I think that one's true, and I think getting arrested is true.
1:53:51
Surely answer him now. Yes, answer me.
1:53:53
You're right, I'm correct. Congrats.
1:53:57
Fuck, give me the story about getting arrested.
1:54:01
So The funny thing is that the lie is a lie for me, but it's
1:54:05
not a lie for one of my friend. It happened.
1:54:07
To my friend. The exact story, so I have every
1:54:10
details. It happened.
1:54:13
He lose, he he lose. I would just say he lost his
1:54:18
shoes and he, he told me like there were like dead animals in
1:54:23
this water. It was fully dark and I couldn't
1:54:27
find any escape. I almost died.
1:54:29
And then suddenly I, I found the, I felt the, the ladder, the
1:54:34
ladder crazy. So I've been arrested.
1:54:37
That was my last, my parent don't know that.
1:54:42
They won't watch this let alone get 2 hours in.
1:54:48
It's, it's OK, it's not like a big deal.
1:54:50
It's like, that was my last Drafi experience because at some
1:54:54
point I was like, I'm claustrophobic.
1:54:57
If I go to jail, I'm dead. I'm I'm done.
1:55:01
Or or maybe I'm I'll it it will fix me, but I'm not sure.
1:55:06
I'm sure either way I mean. That your career would be done?
1:55:09
Yeah. Also, you don't have to make
1:55:11
blackmail. That's the trajectory.
1:55:14
And it's pretty simple. We were, that's the stupidest
1:55:16
thing because we were like painting on highways, trains on
1:55:22
whatever. Like not, not, not.
1:55:26
How'd you say like vandalism thing, right.
1:55:30
And, and one day we're like, hey, we found an abandoned wall
1:55:38
in the middle of the forest or whatever.
1:55:41
And some let's let's just do we, we call in France, we call that
1:55:49
until we say it's like when it's abandoned factory or something
1:55:55
like that. And graffiti writers just come
1:55:58
here the whole day doing a barbecue and doing doing
1:56:02
awesome. Yeah, that's awesome.
1:56:04
And. Nails, maybe that's where I was.
1:56:07
Yeah, I was at Graffiti BBQ. That's when I had the fucking
1:56:10
sheep's testicles. And yeah, and we, we started
1:56:15
doing our thing and the police came and we're like, why, Why
1:56:19
would you come here? It's in the middle of nowhere.
1:56:21
They're like, you're this wall. This wall belongs to the, the,
1:56:26
the electricity factory over here.
1:56:28
And there's the, the neighbor, the neighbors just called us.
1:56:31
They stole graffiti where he doesn't stuff.
1:56:32
We're like, oh, fuck, we're fucked.
1:56:34
Fuck, we're fucked for nothing. We, we, we thought we're, we
1:56:37
were in the safest place and we're fucked.
1:56:39
How? Long.
1:56:39
How long were you? 20 I guess.
1:56:42
You got fully arrested. So no, not me.
1:56:45
Otherwise you wouldn't have the visa.
1:56:48
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
1:56:49
I received the call two weeks after that.
1:56:55
They were like, hey, it's police from this area and stuff.
1:56:58
You need to come tomorrow. So I came and I was like, all
1:57:02
right, they're they're going to told us that we have to repaint
1:57:05
the wall or something or I don't know.
1:57:07
I don't know, but nothing crazy. And they were like, well, you're
1:57:13
kind of under arrest. It was so weird.
1:57:15
We'll take picture of you with the classic like stuff.
1:57:19
I was like, have you got that photo?
1:57:20
No, I don't. I still don't know to this day.
1:57:23
If it was too scared us, it must be, otherwise it was when you
1:57:28
get this. Visa it would have flagged up.
1:57:30
Bro, I don't know. Yeah.
1:57:32
Or maybe like 10 years ago because it was a minor thing.
1:57:34
I mean, I don't know, Was there any fine fingerprints?
1:57:38
Yeah, everything. I was like no, no, fine, no,
1:57:41
fine. I was like if it's too if
1:57:45
because we are, we are 20 but looked kind of young and stuff.
1:57:49
So they were like, if this whole thing is supposed to scare me,
1:57:54
it does. So I was, I was not even 20,
1:57:58
like 19 and I had to, I had to say my parents, I was doing
1:58:03
something whatever too. Yeah, that that was fucked up
1:58:05
and I did not had any more trouble than that, except that
1:58:11
we have to repaint the actual wall in in white.
1:58:15
And I was like, bro, they told us like you weren't you weren't
1:58:18
under your we have your, your information and your picture on
1:58:23
your fingerprint for five years. If you if you do whatever
1:58:26
illegal illegal within five year, you'll go to oh.
1:58:31
That's probably what it was. You probably got probably, yeah.
1:58:34
And then? So maybe now it's finished.
1:58:36
Yeah, it would have been wiped. Hopefully.
1:58:39
I mean, definitely yeah, of course.
1:58:41
Fucking especially Canada. Canada is the worst for like
1:58:44
when you go over the border if you have like sometimes even a
1:58:48
caution when you're a kid for like weed smoking or something.
1:58:50
Canadian border, particularly UK to Canada, they'll pick up on
1:58:55
it. Okay, something I know
1:58:56
something. So yeah, I think.
1:58:57
I think I'm good. You got away with it, bro.
1:58:59
And look, it worked. Yeah, it scared you stopped
1:59:02
graffiti. I stopped doing it on straight.
1:59:04
Yeah, doing it on. Stage.
1:59:06
Doing it on stage. Anyway, Speaking of stage,
1:59:08
you've probably gotta go. I gotta go.
1:59:11
I'm looking forward to seeing you.
1:59:12
Thanks for coming on of. Course, thank you for having us.
1:59:14
Check out Landmarks if you haven't already because the band
1:59:17
is fucking so sick. I hope we get to do, I mean,
1:59:20
Stray is done, but I hope we get to do something together because
1:59:23
I fucking love touring with you boys coming on the bus.
1:59:27
Can I say something? Can I say something?
1:59:30
So the first real tour we did professional was with you guys
1:59:36
right from the bath thanks to while she sleeps they they 27
1:59:41
2017 20/19/2019 That was one of my best memory ever.
1:59:45
You guys were the best ever. You Tom, Drew, Jude first day
1:59:50
came to the the backstage and say hello.
1:59:54
We're gonna have fun. When dancing and dancing, yeah.
1:59:58
Bro. And I just, it's just such a
2:00:01
good memory that I'm really, really glad that.
2:00:05
We're still friend now that Tom is our manager, that Drew is on
2:00:08
one of our song, that Matt from where she sleeps is on one of
2:00:12
our song too, and that we. Can keep coming.
2:00:15
Yeah. Yeah.
2:00:16
I love that tour we shared about.
2:00:18
Yeah, I got food poisoning, you remember right at the end.
2:00:20
Yes, right. We were talking about your
2:00:22
medications. I remember that.
2:00:23
I remember that you were. I was crazy.
2:00:26
You were I like part I painted, didn't I?
2:00:29
Yeah, yeah, You were like. Walking like, whoa, what's
2:00:31
happening? And you said Grab went to maybe
2:00:34
McDonald's with you like you need to eat something.
2:00:36
You gave him some stuff. You said, you said to Kevin, I
2:00:40
remember I everything is green or something like that, or blue,
2:00:46
like I see everything in green. It's bad.
2:00:48
Yeah, I like, I've never before or since ever fainted like that.
2:00:52
It was crazy and it wasn't like drugs or drink or anything.
2:00:55
It was just some crazy shit I met on stage, yeah.
2:00:59
Maybe. I already dragon neck already.
2:01:01
I think you had maybe the craziest fingers.
2:01:04
Drew was just throwing up outside.
2:01:06
Dragon neck was bad, but you were you were the worst.
2:01:10
Yeah, but I told my sick we shared a boss.
2:01:12
It was our first but. Yeah, we learned everything so
2:01:15
much, and you guys were very. Friendly with us.
2:01:17
Who else was on the bus? Just just just just just just.
2:01:20
Yes, you were six and six people.
2:01:22
Yes, yeah. And 12 people.
2:01:24
The Stray live album Smash Them Up Live was recorded by Julian,
2:01:29
who recorded us. Yeah.
2:01:31
And then you mixed it or you and Julian mixed it?
2:01:33
Together. Yeah.
2:01:34
Yeah, we mixed with Julian. So I was sick.
2:01:36
Yeah, that was sick. And I appreciate you boys.
2:01:38
Can't wait to see you later. I hope you come back on this.
2:01:41
Yeah, I never see you again. See you.
2:01:44
Thank you, guys. Thank you.