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#2517 - Taylor Sheridan · The Joe Rogan Experience

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Speaker 1: Joan Podcast check it out.
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Speaker 2: But Joe Logan Experience Train by Day, Joe.
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Speaker 3: Rogan podcast by night, all day. What's happening, buddy, it's
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Speaker 3: a hell of a fucking bell buckle. What is that? What
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Speaker 3: is that? What's going on there?
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Speaker 2: So? This one is uh for a horse I have
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Speaker 2: called Maverick Buzz the tower that won reserve at the futurity.
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Speaker 3: And they give you a bell buckle if you win a.
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Speaker 2: Belt buckling money. That's a dope belt buckle, expensive belt buckle.
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Speaker 3: So guys like you that understand horses, if you saw
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Speaker 3: someone with one of those, you would know exactly what
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Speaker 3: that is right away.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the year, depending on the year, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to know the horse.
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Speaker 3: Fighters, I guess, I guess it's probably similar. Yeah, but
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Speaker 3: that oh.
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Speaker 2: That guy won the thing in twenty twelve, he thought
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Speaker 2: so and someone that's the same with me.
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Speaker 3: It's always so interesting to me how these there's these
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Speaker 3: different sort of categories of interest that people have that
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Speaker 3: you know, one person might not know anything. I don't
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Speaker 3: know anything about horses, but you're like fucking balls deep,
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Speaker 3: you know fuck everything about It's crazy. It's such an
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Speaker 3: interesting like pool of knowledge. The people that are really
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Speaker 3: into horses, and they start explaining, Oh, this is not
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Speaker 3: as simple as oh, that's a horse, and that's a
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Speaker 3: horse too, Like there's genetic lines and there's certain tendencies
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Speaker 3: that certain horses will actually pass on to their offspring.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's crazy stuff. There's a stallion and I
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Speaker 2: really like him. I've got a number of horses by
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Speaker 2: this day. And his name's Spooks, got a whiz and
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Speaker 2: and they're just incredibly balanced, real feely, very very quick footed,
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Speaker 2: big stoppers. But they see dead people, they see ghosts.
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Speaker 2: So like what once every three months for no reason,
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Speaker 2: this thing's gonna fucking check out, and I mean check out.
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Speaker 2: Just decide it's not safe here. We're going back to
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Speaker 2: the bar and you can come with me, or I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna buck your ass off, or I'm gonna flip over. No,
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Speaker 2: he just loses his mind. Whoa, And you never know
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Speaker 2: when it's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: And his children have this as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, WHOA. Just a little quirk and that's but other
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Speaker 2: than that, they're fucking automatic.
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Speaker 3: That's a big quirk. That's like if you have a
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Speaker 3: Corvette and it decides to drive home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit a little bit most of the time.
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Speaker 2: Door we all deal with it because they're worth it,
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Speaker 2: I guess.
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Speaker 3: But that seems so crazy that the horse sea. Do
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Speaker 3: you really think it'ses ghosts?
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he sees, some kind of boogeyman. There.
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Speaker 2: A lot of them are deaf, so really yeah? Why
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Speaker 2: so well, there's a there's a gene. Typically if you
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Speaker 2: see a horse with a white face and the white
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Speaker 2: goes above the eyes, typically that horse is deaf. Wow,
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Speaker 2: And so they can't hear, but they can feel the vibrations.
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Speaker 2: So like that that could that could set one of
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Speaker 2: those horses off.
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Speaker 3: Just anything pounding on the ground, that might be something
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Speaker 3: chasing it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they're prey animals, right right right?
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Speaker 3: So wow, the deaf thing's crazy. I wonder if that
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Speaker 3: has any sort of an advantage where they could sort
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Speaker 3: of a tune out distractions, you know, I would imagine if.
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Speaker 2: A yes, because you know, this crowd's of screaming and yelling,
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Speaker 2: it's not going to bother them now if they start
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Speaker 2: stomping their feet. I was going to show this one
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Speaker 2: horse of mine and I'm about to run in the pen,
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Speaker 2: and all these guys are cheering for this Italian rider
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Speaker 2: and they're all beating on the side of the arena. Oh,
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Speaker 2: my horse checked the fuck out.
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Speaker 3: He checked the herd of elephants. Wow, I could imagine
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Speaker 3: how weird that is for the horse, Like it's being
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Speaker 3: told to do something, but it's instinct, so like, no,
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Speaker 3: we've gotta get the fuck out of here. I can't
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Speaker 3: hear anything. That's nuts the hearing thing. There's a famous
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Speaker 3: pool player. His name is Shane Van Boning. He's like
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Speaker 3: one of the greatest pool players of all time, if
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Speaker 3: not the greatest, And he's deaf and he has hearing
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Speaker 3: aids and when he plays, he shuts him off. He
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Speaker 3: just goes click and goes into this world the zone
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Speaker 3: just a in geometry and just does miss. Just he's
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Speaker 3: a horrifying person to play. And because the fact that
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Speaker 3: he's got that extra sense shut off, like the hearing,
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Speaker 3: he could shut it off. It's not just that, I
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Speaker 3: mean that he's also obsessive. He practices ten hours a
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Speaker 3: day and he's an all time wizard. Like he's won
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Speaker 3: the US Open, which is the hardest tournament to win
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Speaker 3: in all of pool. He's won it five times, which
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Speaker 3: is just is only one other guy in history, Earl Strickland.
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Speaker 3: It's won at five times.
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Speaker 2: Everybody plays pool, like everybody a little yeah, but then
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Speaker 2: the levels to the game, like you start getting a
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Speaker 2: professional pool player, yeah, and they're playing a totally different game.
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Speaker 3: It's a totally different. Just watching it, you realize like,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, what am I doing. I'm hitting the
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Speaker 3: ball way too hard. I don't know what I'm doing.
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Speaker 3: My angles are all fucked up, like this guy's playing
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Speaker 3: that with English. I would have just hit it straight.
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Speaker 2: It hits over here, and yeah, it's just it's.
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Speaker 3: The control of the ball. It's just like they're a
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Speaker 3: part of the stick, is the part of their body,
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Speaker 3: the stick and the ball. They're all connected in space
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Speaker 3: and time, and they know where that ball's going within millimeters.
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Speaker 3: It's nuts to watch some of these guys. Will they'll
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Speaker 3: hit a ball and it'll travel it's a nine foot table,
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Speaker 3: it'll travel all the fuck away around the test like
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Speaker 3: a twelve foot distance, and it'll go in a two
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Speaker 3: inch spot and you just go, fuck me, it's great.
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Speaker 3: And then if you do that and your death too,
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Speaker 3: Like you don't even hear the cheers, you're just still
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Speaker 3: in the zone. Hyper focused, Yeah, just hyper focused. Autism
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Speaker 3: probably helps too, you have that, yeah, you know a
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Speaker 3: lot of oh yeah, just.
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Speaker 2: To touch I got. I think.
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Speaker 3: I think anybody's good at anything. Anybody's good at anything.
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Speaker 3: It's either ADHD or autistic.
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Speaker 2: They try to give me a medicine for the ADHD,
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Speaker 2: did they Yeah, I'm like, fuck.
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Speaker 3: No, how old were you when they try to give
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Speaker 3: it to Oh?
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Speaker 2: Well, they did give it to me when I was
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Speaker 2: a kid. Really yeah, with the giving and then you're
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Speaker 2: who knows, but whatever, you're little bottomized, right, and then fuck?
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Speaker 2: And so I stopped taking it just because I was
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Speaker 2: now you're just like guys, you know. And so my
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Speaker 2: parents were like, fuck it, just let him run around.
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Speaker 3: My neighbor's kid. They gave it to him when I
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Speaker 3: when I lived in California. It was such a bummer.
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Speaker 3: He was this wild little kid and they gave it
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Speaker 3: to him all a sudden.
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Speaker 2: He was flat yep.
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Speaker 3: And I was like and the lady was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: he's on medication now because he's hyperactive. I'm like, oh
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Speaker 3: my god, not my kid, not my place. I'm not
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Speaker 3: saying nothing. I just go to work.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I was single back then. And then I was like
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Speaker 3: twenty eight or twenty nine, and I was just so
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Speaker 3: confused how you could do it? And then I kept thinking, like,
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Speaker 3: if somebody did that to me when I was a kid,
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Speaker 3: for sure I would have been on drugs. If my
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Speaker 3: parents knew about those options, they could shut me the
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Speaker 3: fuck up. If I had the wrong parents, my parents
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have done it. But if I had the wrong parents,
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Speaker 3: I had all the traits that would have allowed me
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Speaker 3: to get on the riddle in.
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Speaker 2: The superpower, if you understand it exactly, it's a superpower.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could find something you love.
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Speaker 2: People say, how in the world can you write a
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Speaker 2: script that you write all these things? It's not that hard. Like,
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Speaker 2: once I know what it is, I can sit. You
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Speaker 2: could sit me in an airport around a thousand people.
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Speaker 2: I won't hear them, and I can sit there.
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Speaker 3: For twelve hours straight because you love it.
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Speaker 2: I just get I just hyper focused.
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Speaker 3: But if somebody wants you to pay attention to the
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Speaker 3: history of pop tarts or I can't.
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Speaker 2: I can'tot going in there physically, can't do it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I'm going in there. Yeah, that's that's the superpower.
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Speaker 3: The superpower is you can find something you love and
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Speaker 3: focus on it. But the way our education system is
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Speaker 3: designed is so ass backwards. You take kids that are
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Speaker 3: so energetic and they have so much life, and you
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Speaker 3: just squeeze it out of them. Just sit still, stay put,
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Speaker 3: listen to boring shit, and all day they're just fighting
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Speaker 3: this desire to scream and just run out of the
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Speaker 3: building and go do something fun.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't the like essentially what we call the modern public
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Speaker 2: education system founded by or really by the Rockefellers yep,
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Speaker 2: as a as a means to create workers.
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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's it, compliant workers and soldiers conform. Just
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Speaker 3: One of the reasons why they decided is start school
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Speaker 3: so early for kids is the earlier you can start them,
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Speaker 3: the more you can get them to do whatever you
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Speaker 3: want them to do, and the more you can get
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Speaker 3: them to pledge allegiance and get really excited about this,
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Speaker 3: that or the other thing, including all the trans stuff
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Speaker 3: that you see in school, all the pride stuff, and
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Speaker 3: teachers are working with preschool kids and they're talking about
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Speaker 3: sexuality and.
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Speaker 1: You're like, they're fucking six, Like they don't know what
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Speaker 1: you're talking, Like why are you even talking to them
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Speaker 1: about that, because you can get them early and you
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Speaker 1: can program those thoughts into their mind that this is
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Speaker 1: a good cause.
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Speaker 3: And it could be anything. It could be your religion,
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Speaker 3: it could be your political ideology, it could be being
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Speaker 3: a Christian, being a Muslim, whatever. If you get kids
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Speaker 3: young enough, you can talk them into doing almost anything.
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Speaker 3: That's why they have child suicide bombers. They don't try
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Speaker 3: to get guys in their forties with a family to
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Speaker 3: strap a vest on. They try to get kids.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what will really bake a couple
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Speaker 2: of noodles is if you look at because all these
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Speaker 2: things are funded, all these nonprofits and INGOs they're off of.
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Speaker 2: But where's the money come from. And when you look
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Speaker 2: at where the money comes from, and you realize, oh
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, and it's been coming for forty fifty
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Speaker 2: years from these places Qatar for example, obviously, Russia, China,
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Speaker 2: all these our enemies donating money to all of these
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Speaker 2: various groups to divide to just eat away from the inside.
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Speaker 3: Russia's been doing it since the seventies, sixties, sixties. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that Uri bezmanof I'm sure you've seen that video. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: anybody who hasn't please watch it. It's Jury Besmanov and
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Speaker 3: it's in nineteen eighty four, and this guy's essentially describing
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Speaker 3: what a mirror is going to look like eventually. And
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Speaker 3: he's dead on, just dead on, dead on. With the communism,
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Speaker 3: the Marxism, the stuff in the universities, just completely poison
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Speaker 3: their mind. Push out any ideas of patriotism being virtue.
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Speaker 3: All the hate for America that you have, like, all
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Speaker 3: the division, all of it engineered. Yeah, and it's wild.
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Speaker 2: Just look at who it benefits. That's it. That's it.
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Speaker 2: It's real simple. Yeah, just look and see who it benefits.
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Speaker 3: Well, it benefits a lot of people in this country
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Speaker 3: as well. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people that really
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Speaker 3: love division and they can profit off of it and
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Speaker 3: they can work an angle. You know, we're with you.
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Speaker 3: And this is a big part of the problem with
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Speaker 3: the whole idea of nonprofits, because nonprofits, in theory are awesome.
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Speaker 3: It's a great thing that people are willing to donate
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Speaker 3: their money, Like wealthy people who are doing well say,
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Speaker 3: you know what, I think my money could be best
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Speaker 3: suited helping out other people. It's beautiful. It's one of
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Speaker 3: the most amazing notions about people when they can be charitable,
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Speaker 3: when they don't have to be they do it because
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Speaker 3: they want to and they really want to help. Then
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Speaker 3: you find out what's really going on and that the
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Speaker 3: majority of the money is going to overhead and employees.
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Speaker 2: Well, think about this, if if I create a nonprofit
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Speaker 2: to go solve well, LA is a perfect example. We
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Speaker 2: can look at the homeless situation that they have there
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Speaker 2: and all of these NGOs that are getting all of
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Speaker 2: this money, and the problem is getting worse. It's not
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Speaker 2: getting better, it's getting worse. But if I form an
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Speaker 2: NGO and that's my cause and I solve the problem,
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Speaker 2: what do I do with my engo? I got no money. Now,
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Speaker 2: there's no reason to give me money. So they don't
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Speaker 2: create them to solve problems in something. Exacerbate the problem,
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Speaker 2: make the problem worse, make it longer, make it bigger.
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Speaker 2: Look how big the problem is? We need more money somehow.
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Speaker 3: I was doing a breakdown of the people that work
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Speaker 3: in the homeless industry. Industry I say in air quotes
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Speaker 3: in California, because that's really what it is. It's they
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Speaker 3: spent twenty four billion dollars on the homeless problem and
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Speaker 3: no one can account for it. And they tried to
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Speaker 3: get an accounting of it. They tried to do an
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Speaker 3: audit of it, and knew some vetoed it, vetoed it,
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Speaker 3: like why would you want to know? Let's stop, let's
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Speaker 3: stop all that contents and build this fucking train track
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Speaker 3: to nowhere that's never gonna get built.
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Speaker 2: Well, they have a mile of it, They have a
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Speaker 2: mile of that train.
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Speaker 3: Only cost one hundred million dollars. Relax, things take time.
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Speaker 2: They have a mile and we're trying to choose the path.
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Speaker 2: How about right beside the I five? How about that?
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Speaker 2: How about right next to the flat fucking highway.
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Speaker 3: Everything they do sucks. Yeah, how about that stupid fucking
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Speaker 3: road over the highway to make sure the mountain lions
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Speaker 3: are safe. Yeah, it's like over one hundred million dollars,
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Speaker 3: still not done.
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Speaker 2: And they have them, by the way, that's not a
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Speaker 2: new concept. They have those throughout the West. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: they don't cost shit, don't cost much money at all,
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Speaker 2: and they fix them quick, They do it quick.
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Speaker 3: It's just yeah, they're done in a couple of months.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, pour some cements, put some sod down, plant some
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Speaker 2: fucking grass and where.
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Speaker 3: You go where you go, but there.
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Speaker 2: But we're applying logic to a state that doesn't use that.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 3: It's like it is as goofy as it gets. And
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Speaker 3: then you think it's as goofy as it gets, and
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Speaker 3: then you hear that Portland just the Okay, So this
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Speaker 3: is gonna be on the ballot in November. It got
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Speaker 3: enough votes to be on the ballot. And this is
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Speaker 3: some law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty. Well,
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Speaker 3: who doesn't want to stop animal animal cruelty? I certainly
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Speaker 3: want to stop animal cruelty. Let's stop animal cruelty. So
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Speaker 3: what does it mean? It means no hunting, no fishing,
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Speaker 3: no ranching, no agriculture, no animals that get harmed in
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Speaker 3: any way, no killing chickens for Kentucky Fried chicken, nothing,
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Speaker 3: no animals die and walking vote. Oregon is voting on
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Speaker 3: this in November. No fishing, no fishing, what are you saying?
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Speaker 3: Are you fucking high? And no hunting, no ranching, ranching,
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Speaker 3: you can't ranch, You're gonna kill cow? What are you crazy?
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Speaker 3: That's illegal in Oregon?
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Speaker 2: And here's that probably sounds like a good idea to
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Speaker 2: one of those people. And then but here's my question.
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's do it. Let's just say let's
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Speaker 2: just outlaw ranching. Let's just say fuck it. Well, there's
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Speaker 2: ninety one million cattle in the country, So what will
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Speaker 2: we do with them? Would you just leave them alone?
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Speaker 2: Let nature takets course? Yeah, but but there's that they're not.
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Speaker 2: But there's no there's no nature to take its course.
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Speaker 2: It's ninety one million head of fucking cattle. And I
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Speaker 2: can promise you this. If you outlaw me feeding them
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Speaker 2: and taking care of them, I'm not gonna then they're
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Speaker 2: Then they're wandering the highway.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the bulls are out. Yeah. So you're
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Speaker 3: gonna keep the bulls contained? No, the bulls are gonna
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Speaker 3: kill people yeah, and make more cattle. Yeah, and make
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Speaker 3: more cattle yea.
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Speaker 2: So now we have nine hundred million cattle in three decades.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and fuck all your fences. Bulls are gonna smash them.
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Speaker 2: Bulls are gonna eat your grass.
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Speaker 3: Well, get, bulls are gonna stomp your dog. Like, what
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Speaker 3: are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: I can't.
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Speaker 3: But it's not supposed to be logical. It's all just
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Speaker 3: a vibe, man, It's like and it's not even a
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Speaker 3: well thought out one. But the problem is you don't
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Speaker 3: have to be well thought out to get on the ballot.
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Speaker 3: You just have to appeal to certain sensibilities, and then
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden people are like, oh, that would
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Speaker 3: be good, let's stop animal cruelty, and they're probably on SSRIs.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, it'll it'll probably pass.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't think we'll pass.
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Speaker 4: According to this New York Times article, it was a guy,
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Speaker 4: one guy. One guy got one hundred and thirty five
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Speaker 4: thousand signatures and got it passed to that level.
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Speaker 3: I wonder how many of them are homeless people.
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Speaker 4: He moved to Portland from Denver from southern California, where
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Speaker 4: I'm trying.
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Speaker 3: Do we have a photo of this dude? I wrom
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Speaker 3: southern California? Is it Vegan? Oh that's weird. I would
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Speaker 3: have never guessed teacher, substitute teacher, what else?
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Speaker 4: That's all I was saying. I didn't frame him very.
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Speaker 3: Well, Well they shouldn't. It's a crazy idea, Michelson.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, substitute teacher, Vegan and Tian's organizer.
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Speaker 3: It's to have a system where we're not killing or
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Speaker 3: hurting animals anymore. I love how he said a system.
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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? What does that mean? What's
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Speaker 3: a system? You're talking about nature? What are you talking about?
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Speaker 3: Like they're gonna kill each other? Stupid? Like, what the
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Speaker 3: fuck are you talking about? Is it somehow another less
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Speaker 3: cruel with them? When a mountain lion gets into a
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Speaker 3: pan of sheep and tears them apart. Yeah, he figured
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Speaker 3: the chance of meeting another gay vegan, we're better in Portland.
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Speaker 2: He's probably not wrong.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably good, bet, solid bet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was sitting there going Midland, Texas Portland organ
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Speaker 2: Where am I go.
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Speaker 3: To Portland and take some medication? They just fucking have
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Speaker 3: a good time there. There we go, Hey fella.
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Speaker 2: Oh he's already gotten too much attention from us.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, there's a lot of silly people in
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Speaker 3: the world. And you know, like we were talking about
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Speaker 3: with young people, if if you get young people and
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Speaker 3: doctrinated early enough to think that these silly ideas makes sense,
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Speaker 3: which is one of the reasons why I love that
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Speaker 3: Kevin Costner moment on your show when he had explained
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Speaker 3: to that vegan lady. Oh yeah, it's such a good moment.
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Speaker 2: How cute does it analy have to be? Before you
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Speaker 2: care if it lives.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what the actual like, what life gets killed
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Speaker 3: when you're just talking about farming, just food, plowing a field, yeah,
17:25
Speaker 3: just plowing a field.
17:26
Speaker 2: Or or go or go build a road. I want
17:29
Speaker 2: to destroy some fucking organisms. Go build a road.
17:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're riding on those roads, you're in that system.
17:37
Speaker 3: And then there's the bees, like the amount of bees
17:40
Speaker 3: that die every year. So we could have avocados as bananas.
17:44
Speaker 2: Bringing me from Brazil by the billions.
17:47
Speaker 3: By the billions, by the bee and they die bees.
17:50
Speaker 3: And then on top of the So it's avocados and almonds.
17:53
Speaker 3: Those are the two big ones.
17:54
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, almonds. You know what's fascinating And I'm gonna
17:58
Speaker 2: we can look it up. Almonds. The amount it's something
18:03
Speaker 2: like nineteen gallons of water is what you have to
18:07
Speaker 2: give to get one almond.
18:13
Speaker 3: Is that real?
18:13
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we got wreaking Yeah, it's fucking bananas.
18:18
Speaker 3: Oh my doctor told me almonds aren't even good for you. Well,
18:21
Speaker 3: you know it's he said, they're okay for you, he said,
18:23
Speaker 3: but you know.
18:25
Speaker 2: There was a time in the Mediterranean where they were
18:27
Speaker 2: that there were poisons. They have stryctne in them and
18:30
Speaker 2: it's one of the first domesticated plants. And what people realize,
18:34
Speaker 2: whoever Homo sapiens or neanderthals, whoever's wandering around, They're like,
18:39
Speaker 2: the squirrels are eating those poisonous nuts from that tree. Huh,
18:43
Speaker 2: They're okay from this one, not okay from that one. Uh.
18:46
Speaker 2: So they started cutting down and uprooting all the ones
18:50
Speaker 2: where the squirrels wouldn't eat. Oh interesting, Yeah, and so
18:54
Speaker 2: that's so the almond.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'm a writer, right, so words matter to me,
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Speaker 2: and when we when we misuse them in our society,
20:36
Speaker 2: it just bothers me. Right, So all these things that
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Speaker 2: we're calling milk, like all right, almond milk, and I'm
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Speaker 2: just determined to call it almond juice because that's what
20:46
Speaker 2: it fucking is. It's not even almond juice.
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Speaker 3: It's not like work shit, it's a tea almost.
20:51
Speaker 2: We're taking almonds, pulverizing them and brining them in water,
20:56
Speaker 2: essentially leeching out the flavor of the almond, and then
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Speaker 2: adding a bunch of shit and sugar and.
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Speaker 3: All that and a lot of sugar. My friend Duncan
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Speaker 3: was like, dude, almond milk is good for you. I go,
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Speaker 3: you're looking at how much sugar is in there. And
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Speaker 3: we were on the phone and he goes, holy shit.
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Speaker 3: I go, yeah, man, that's why it tastes good. But
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Speaker 3: my doctor told me I had oxalates in my diet
21:15
Speaker 3: in my blood test. He said, your oxalates are kind
21:18
Speaker 3: of high. He goes, are you eating almonds? And I said, yeah,
21:21
Speaker 3: I eat almonds all the time. He's like, yeah, cut back,
21:24
Speaker 3: he goes, that's where it's from. Really, Yeah, see find
21:28
Speaker 3: out how how much oxalates are in almonds. I just
21:31
Speaker 3: listened to him. And also, it's a lot of like
21:34
Speaker 3: a lot of that gluten free flour stuff. If you
21:37
Speaker 3: buy a lot of that stuff, it's like almond flour
21:40
Speaker 3: a lot of the times. Right, Almonds are a high
21:42
Speaker 3: oxalate food. Eating them can raise oxalate levels that circulate,
21:47
Speaker 3: get filtered by the kidneys and appear in urine, which
21:49
Speaker 3: may increase kidney stone risk and susceptible people. Yeah, almonds
21:54
Speaker 3: contain about two hundred and ninety six milligrams oxalate per
21:57
Speaker 3: one hundred grams roughly four milligrams per nut, putting them
22:00
Speaker 3: in the high oxalate category. Yeah, he said, they're not
22:05
Speaker 3: bad if you just have them every now and then
22:07
Speaker 3: he goes, but don't don't do it on a regular basis.
22:09
Speaker 2: Hum.
22:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that is high oxalates.
22:14
Speaker 3: If people don't think about it, they can really fuck
22:16
Speaker 3: you up. Kale, for instance, Like I used to drink
22:19
Speaker 3: kale smoothies all the time until another doctor told me,
22:22
Speaker 3: you really should cook the kale, cook it and then
22:25
Speaker 3: filter out whatever the water's in it. And I go, really,
22:28
Speaker 3: I go, why he goes to oxalates? He goes, you
22:30
Speaker 3: want to cook the oxalates out of them? Really, And
22:33
Speaker 3: that's apparently what causes a lot of kidney stones with
22:35
Speaker 3: some folks. They drink a lot of those green smoothies,
22:38
Speaker 3: which I used to do every day. I used to
22:39
Speaker 3: take a bunch of kale, throwing a bunch of apples
22:42
Speaker 3: and some ginger and some garlic and blend it all
22:44
Speaker 3: up and drink at the beginning of the day. I
22:46
Speaker 3: thought I was doing a good thing, and he was like, here,
22:48
Speaker 3: just blasting your system with oxalates, And I was like, Oh,
22:52
Speaker 3: why he said bacon, Have some bacon. I'm like, fucking
22:58
Speaker 3: bacon's better for you. Like that, Mike journey of figuring
23:00
Speaker 3: out what to eat was a long one. It was
23:03
Speaker 3: a long one. And thank god I got this podcast
23:05
Speaker 3: because if I had down to all those conversations with
23:07
Speaker 3: people where I realized like, oh, so we're like and
23:10
Speaker 3: now the food pyramid's completely flipped, which is hilarious. But
23:14
Speaker 3: it's like, I've had enough conversations where I realized, like, Oh,
23:17
Speaker 3: all these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about,
23:19
Speaker 3: and they're given advice, and it's weird. It's weird how
23:23
Speaker 3: much bad advice there is for food and for health
23:26
Speaker 3: and for fucking filling the blank almost everything in our society.
23:30
Speaker 2: Food pyramid was created by Johnson and Johnson, How do
23:36
Speaker 2: we get people to eat our shit in the morning
23:38
Speaker 2: and then again at lunch and then well, the one
23:40
Speaker 2: thing that we can't control, and they talk about the
23:44
Speaker 2: one thing that we do not have is this massive
23:48
Speaker 2: industrialized meat production because there's no there's no economical way
23:53
Speaker 2: to do it. They'd do it if they could. Harris Ranch,
23:55
Speaker 2: which you've probably seen all five five in California the
24:00
Speaker 2: closest version of that. But what it is is a
24:02
Speaker 2: feed yard, right where you get them together and feed
24:05
Speaker 2: cattle for ninety to one hundred and fifty days before
24:08
Speaker 2: you go send them off in slaughter them. Right. That's
24:11
Speaker 2: the closest thing there is to an industrialized beef industry
24:16
Speaker 2: because it's a very inefficient way. It's way better to farm, right,
24:22
Speaker 2: It's more efficient to farm than it is grays cattle.
24:24
Speaker 2: So you only want to graze cattle somewhere that you
24:26
Speaker 2: can't farm. At the end of the day. You want
24:29
Speaker 2: to graze cattle or grate at taking protein from poor
24:32
Speaker 2: protein sources and metabolizing it. Right, So graze them in
24:36
Speaker 2: real rocky terrain with native grasses that you can't farm,
24:40
Speaker 2: can't till it just can't and it needs to be
24:44
Speaker 2: eaten by something or weeds will overtake it. Right, Yeah, grasses,
24:49
Speaker 2: grass grows better when it's being graized, and so there's
24:53
Speaker 2: no way to industrialize that or centralize it. The most
24:56
Speaker 2: centralized it is is at the packing house, right where
24:59
Speaker 2: you've got four pack major packing houses that control ninety
25:03
Speaker 2: something percent of the beef industry, and that's starting to change.
25:07
Speaker 2: COVID was extremely helpful for the smaller farmer and rancher
25:10
Speaker 2: to sit there and get their product out right and
25:13
Speaker 2: find small they start popping up. People have opened these
25:16
Speaker 2: USDA facilities that don't process eight hundred head of cattle
25:21
Speaker 2: an hour, They maybe do fifty or fifty a day.
25:26
Speaker 2: And now people can go there because they're a USDA facility,
25:29
Speaker 2: they can buy beef directly from them, buy it from
25:32
Speaker 2: the rancher right, and you can control where your food's
25:35
Speaker 2: coming from as opposed to what was happening where you'd
25:41
Speaker 2: get a bunch of If you're going to go get
25:42
Speaker 2: a burger, you're eating some Australian killer bowl right for
25:46
Speaker 2: the most part, or something from Brazil, or you're not
25:50
Speaker 2: eating something that you want to eat. When you go
25:55
Speaker 2: to a nice steakhouse, the steaks there are they're going
26:01
Speaker 2: to come from most likely Texas, Iowa, Nebraska, Montana. There's
26:07
Speaker 2: select areas where people are spending that kind of attention
26:11
Speaker 2: in time to raise that kind of quality of beef right,
26:14
Speaker 2: and it's being done by smaller ranchers and maybe a
26:17
Speaker 2: big ranch, but it's still operated by relatively few people.
26:21
Speaker 2: You know, for six is three hundred thousand acres. But
26:23
Speaker 2: there's twelve cowboys.
26:26
Speaker 3: Wow, twelve cowboys for three hundred thousand acres is nuts.
26:30
Speaker 3: How do they keep track of everything?
26:33
Speaker 2: I mean, we break it down into pastures and then
26:36
Speaker 2: you have and then the pastures fall under the terminology
26:40
Speaker 2: is this. Let's say, oh, if you're in Guthrie, there's
26:43
Speaker 2: a there's a camp and we call it South Camp
26:46
Speaker 2: because it's in the South and it's responsible for fifty
26:50
Speaker 2: thousand acres. Right, we're is broken down into multiple pastures
26:54
Speaker 2: that are between seven and ten thousand acres. There's one
26:57
Speaker 2: big pasture in that in that camp, it's like fourteen
27:00
Speaker 2: thousand acres. And so then you have North Camp, you
27:04
Speaker 2: have what we call then we have camps around the town,
27:09
Speaker 2: a little town of Guphrey. So you break it down
27:11
Speaker 2: into the responsibility of each cowboys somewhere between thirty five
27:16
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand acres.
27:19
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a hell of a responsibility.
27:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of work, man.
27:25
Speaker 3: You know what's really interesting about your shows, particularly Yellstone,
27:28
Speaker 3: it got people like really attracted to the idea of
27:32
Speaker 3: brutal hard work as being romantic. Yeah, you know, people
27:36
Speaker 3: like really identified with those guys on Yellowstone that were
27:40
Speaker 3: just like, so dedicated to that ranch, so dedicated to
27:44
Speaker 3: busting their ass and working all day, hard fucking work,
27:48
Speaker 3: and they're just hanging out together afterwards. And there's something
27:51
Speaker 3: about that life that's so simplistic and romantic to people
27:55
Speaker 3: that it just really resonated with so many people. They
27:58
Speaker 3: didn't even know that they liked that.
28:00
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's uniquely American, right, And and the amount
28:04
Speaker 2: of freedom that is. So we move somebody out to
28:08
Speaker 2: South Camp and we go, okay, so here you are.
28:10
Speaker 2: There's your house at South Camp. See in a week
28:14
Speaker 2: or so, go figure shit out, keep track of the cattle.
28:20
Speaker 2: And you give them a string of horses, and they
28:22
Speaker 2: work their horses and they and they ride that property.
28:25
Speaker 2: They know every inch of it. And you don't, ever,
28:27
Speaker 2: you don't, we don't. We don't have weekly corporate meetings.
28:29
Speaker 3: How do they get supplies? Is the house stock did advance?
28:33
Speaker 2: Yeah? Go to town, you know towns, which is an endeavor,
28:38
Speaker 2: Right Towns ninety miles away, So you go to town
28:41
Speaker 2: once a week, right stock adventure, stock up, go back.
28:45
Speaker 3: Wow.
28:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's it's a crazy life, and people incorrect.
28:51
Speaker 2: Not every This isn't true of every cowboy. There's plenty
28:53
Speaker 2: of cowboys that typically they grow up on that ranch
28:56
Speaker 2: and that's the life that they know and that's what
28:58
Speaker 2: they want to do. Right bye. They still go off
29:01
Speaker 2: to college. Like almost every one of my cowboys has
29:04
Speaker 2: a ranch management degree. Like they went to school, wow,
29:09
Speaker 2: to study.
29:10
Speaker 3: What's a good school if you want to be a cowboy?
29:13
Speaker 2: I mean there's quite a few of them. Texas Tech,
29:15
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a phenomenal ranch management program. A bunch
29:18
Speaker 2: of the guys on the Sixers went there. TCUs a
29:21
Speaker 2: ranch management program, a good one in Texas A and M.
29:25
Speaker 2: You know, we have vets that live on the ranch.
29:28
Speaker 2: Obviously we breed a ton of horses and so our vets.
29:31
Speaker 2: There is Colorado State. It's an excellent veterinary school for
29:34
Speaker 2: large animal vets. Obviously, Texas A and M is a
29:37
Speaker 2: phenomenal school. Texas Tech as well.
29:39
Speaker 3: Those are Dude, How the fuck do you pay attention
29:41
Speaker 3: to everything? You're running a gigantic ranch and you have
29:44
Speaker 3: about forty eight TV shows? How the fuck do you
29:48
Speaker 3: do it? I don't understand it. Every time a new
29:51
Speaker 3: Taylor Sheridan show pops up, I say to my wife,
29:53
Speaker 3: I go, how the fuck is he doing this? Like
29:55
Speaker 3: where does he have this time?
29:57
Speaker 2: Part of it is if you think of it. So
30:00
Speaker 2: my crew, my core crew, is the same crew I
30:03
Speaker 2: made wind River with, like when we had no money.
30:06
Speaker 2: I remember one time I'm on the top of a
30:09
Speaker 2: mountain with me and my first a D and my
30:11
Speaker 2: DP Ben Richardson, and there's not a producer. We haven't
30:16
Speaker 2: seen anybody in a week, and I looked at We're
30:18
Speaker 2: freezing our asses off at seven below zero in northern Utah,
30:22
Speaker 2: and I'm like, guys, you know, we could just fuck
30:24
Speaker 2: off to Hawaiian. Nobody would know for a while. We
30:29
Speaker 2: have their we have their money, and they don't know.
30:31
Speaker 2: They don't actually know where we are. They're just trusting
30:34
Speaker 2: that we're going to make this movie, which we did
30:37
Speaker 2: and it was incredibly difficult. But that's the same team
30:40
Speaker 2: that went over and did Yellowstone, which is then the
30:42
Speaker 2: same team that went up and did Mayor of Kingstown
30:45
Speaker 2: with me and then eighteen eighty three, twenty three Lioness Landman,
30:50
Speaker 2: all of them, and we've promoted from within. I've got
30:54
Speaker 2: PA's that are now first ads. I've got camera operators
30:58
Speaker 2: that are now directors. So we've promoted from within so
31:01
Speaker 2: everyone understands the way we do it, and it's so
31:03
Speaker 2: freaking efficient. We don't ever have and you know, because
31:06
Speaker 2: you've been in this industry forever, these people will have
31:10
Speaker 2: meetings upon meeting, upon meeting, they'll have a they'll have
31:14
Speaker 2: a tone meeting where a whole bunch of people are
31:16
Speaker 2: going to sit around and try and talk about the
31:17
Speaker 2: tone of the script. Why didn't you read the fucking thing.
31:23
Speaker 2: We have to have a meeting about it. How about
31:25
Speaker 2: we don't have a meeting about it? And then they'll
31:27
Speaker 2: have a they'll have a And this is also networks.
31:30
Speaker 2: They love this shit so that they can have a
31:32
Speaker 2: reason for their existence, right, all these middle management people
31:35
Speaker 2: and they want to do a prop show and tell
31:36
Speaker 2: where someone's going to come show them all the props
31:39
Speaker 2: that we're going to use. Really well, we don't do
31:42
Speaker 2: that shit because I'm like, I need your permission to
31:44
Speaker 2: use which which big lighter I'm going to use in
31:46
Speaker 2: this fucking scene. How About I just make the decision,
31:50
Speaker 2: and how about we use the same big lighter in
31:53
Speaker 2: all these fucking shows And I don't ever have to
31:55
Speaker 2: pick a big lighter again. How about that? So we
31:58
Speaker 2: just streamlined it and made it to where it's so efficient.
32:01
Speaker 2: Typically a TV show will start up and they'll prep
32:05
Speaker 2: for twelve weeks before they start filming. We do it
32:08
Speaker 2: in four.
32:10
Speaker 3: Wow. Well that makes sense. It makes sense that it's
32:13
Speaker 3: streamlined because I've been on shows when they first start
32:16
Speaker 3: out and it's chaos and there's a lot of network
32:19
Speaker 3: involvement and there's a lot of bullshit. But then once
32:21
Speaker 3: it gets going, they go, oh, you guys know what
32:23
Speaker 3: you're doing. Yeah, leave me alone.
32:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're there from the beginning.
32:26
Speaker 3: Now that's beautiful.
32:28
Speaker 2: We haven't missed. If you don't miss, right.
32:30
Speaker 3: Well, it's like you don't miss, like you don't miss
32:32
Speaker 3: with a writing, you don't miss with the storylines, like
32:35
Speaker 3: you don't have any duds man, which is this is incredible.
32:38
Speaker 3: It's an incredible accomplishment to have that many fucking shows
32:41
Speaker 3: and all of them be good, and all of them
32:44
Speaker 3: be you know, like very addictive. You know, land Man
32:46
Speaker 3: is so addictive.
32:48
Speaker 2: It's it's that show. It's about something very serious, and
32:53
Speaker 2: then I can just throw shit at it. Yeah, let's
32:56
Speaker 2: just take a bunch of old people to a strip Club.
32:57
Speaker 3: Billy Bob is fucking awesome. He's a genius, that guy.
33:00
Speaker 3: He's so good on that show. It's like it was
33:02
Speaker 3: made for him.
33:03
Speaker 2: It was made for him.
33:04
Speaker 3: I mean, he's done so many things.
33:05
Speaker 2: I went to Billy Bob before I, uh, before I
33:10
Speaker 2: wrote a word, and I told him, I said, if
33:11
Speaker 2: you don't do this, I'm not going to do it
33:13
Speaker 2: because I'm not going to chase my taale. He goes, well,
33:15
Speaker 2: what is it I said I want to do? I said, basically,
33:18
Speaker 2: I want to take your character from Bad Santa and
33:20
Speaker 2: put him in West Texas and run an old company.
33:22
Speaker 2: He goes, you want the guy from Bad Santa to
33:24
Speaker 2: run an old company? I said, that's what I want.
33:25
Speaker 2: He goes, that sounds fucking awesome.
33:29
Speaker 3: Well, it's educational too. I mean a lot of people
33:33
Speaker 3: have no idea how the oil business works. And you
33:36
Speaker 3: watch that tell you they go, Jesus Christ, what a
33:39
Speaker 3: crazy job.
33:40
Speaker 2: It's an insane job. And and and the other thing
33:43
Speaker 2: about it is we're so completely dependent upon petroleum in
33:48
Speaker 2: every single aspect of our lives, so completely dependent upon it.
33:52
Speaker 2: And we can debate how bad it is or isn't
33:55
Speaker 2: and and or not debate it. The reality is we
33:58
Speaker 2: don't have an alternative does not exist. It simply doesn't exist.
34:03
Speaker 2: And we could sit there and say, well when did this. No,
34:06
Speaker 2: you sit down with any climatologist and any engineer, they're
34:09
Speaker 2: going to tell you. Our best hope for a replacement
34:11
Speaker 2: of petroleum fuels is cold fusion, and we're thirty forty
34:16
Speaker 2: years from it being something that we can rely upon
34:20
Speaker 2: and reduce little nuclear reactors like idy bitties, like the
34:24
Speaker 2: size of this coffee pot.
34:25
Speaker 3: That's what they're talking about. They're talking about like individual
34:27
Speaker 3: reactors that people have in their homes, Like how long
34:30
Speaker 3: does it take before there's disasters?
34:33
Speaker 2: Like that sounds fun.
34:35
Speaker 3: Having a really good nuclear power plant for a city
34:37
Speaker 3: is an awesome idea. Having everyone have their own nuclear
34:41
Speaker 3: power plant sounds fucking crazy. You know how many assholes
34:45
Speaker 3: are going to cut into that thing?
34:46
Speaker 2: Well, people still put fucking metal in microwaves, So I
34:49
Speaker 2: don't think we should be giving I've done it. I'm like, well,
34:52
Speaker 2: how bad can it really be?
34:53
Speaker 3: There's people that leave their fucking gas on so that
34:56
Speaker 3: someone can die in the house. No, we don't know nuts.
35:00
Speaker 3: People are nuts. If you literally have consumer level nuclear
35:04
Speaker 3: power plants. Not with these monkeys, that's what. Not with
35:08
Speaker 3: the human beings that we are today, are our current form,
35:11
Speaker 3: we're not enlightened enough to have no personal nuclear power
35:14
Speaker 3: plants in our house.
35:17
Speaker 2: Oh fuck yeah. So we're we're we're dependent upon it
35:21
Speaker 2: and we're.
35:21
Speaker 3: In around right now.
35:23
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
35:24
Speaker 3: Also because it Israel, but I mean we're we're in Iran.
35:28
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil.
35:30
Speaker 3: The Strait of Horn moves. It's like, I think it's
35:32
Speaker 3: forty percent of the world's oil supply passes through there.
35:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, christ No, that's and and and I think also
35:41
Speaker 2: China mm hmm. It's a big play against It's a
35:44
Speaker 2: chess piece against China.
35:46
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
35:47
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
35:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, it is fucking terrifying.
35:50
Speaker 2: What uh. And I'm not saying we should have or
35:54
Speaker 2: we shouldn't have. I'm not commenting politically, but what those guys,
36:00
Speaker 2: those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking gangster. Whether
36:06
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. I'm just saying
36:09
Speaker 2: the team was sent and then the team. I mean,
36:13
Speaker 2: can you imagine if I wrote it in a movie,
36:15
Speaker 2: people will go that's fucking ridiculous, Taylor, Right, fly a
36:19
Speaker 2: bunch of SF dudes, drop them off on the roof
36:21
Speaker 2: of this high rise, surrounded by the fucking Cuban special forces,
36:24
Speaker 2: and they're gonna kill all of them, and then they're
36:26
Speaker 2: gonna fucking snatch him and his wife go back to
36:29
Speaker 2: the roof and just fucking fly away. That's what they did.
36:34
Speaker 3: And they're gonna do it with sound. They're gonna disable
36:37
Speaker 3: everyone with a sound weapon, like what like there was
36:40
Speaker 3: Do you remember when they first started talking about that
36:42
Speaker 3: Havana syndrome. We're dismissing. This is horseshit, this is bullshit. Yeah,
36:46
Speaker 3: Like no, they're talking about people that are in Havana
36:48
Speaker 3: that they've been targeted. Something zapped them.
36:51
Speaker 2: Low level frequencies that made them nauseous.
36:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that is a fraction of whatever
36:56
Speaker 3: they unleashed in Venezuela. Who knows this combobulator, that's what
37:01
Speaker 3: it's called, classified secret weapon system. President Donald Trump claimed
37:06
Speaker 3: US forces used during the January Third Operation to capture
37:09
Speaker 3: of Venezuela and President Nicholas Maduro. He stated that the
37:12
Speaker 3: weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses, preventing them
37:17
Speaker 3: from firing back. So it's both it disables the people
37:22
Speaker 3: and it disables their weapon system. What that's amazing. What
37:26
Speaker 3: the fuck are we doing? Official silence. When asked for
37:29
Speaker 3: specific technical or operational details about how the device functions,
37:33
Speaker 3: Trump famously told New York Post, I'm not allowed to
37:36
Speaker 3: talk about it. He says, they press buttons. He claimed
37:41
Speaker 3: the Defense Force's press buttons and nothing worked, disabling both
37:44
Speaker 3: Russian and Chinese made rockets and radar. If weapon affected
37:51
Speaker 3: both mechanical equipment and personnel, he also referred to it
37:54
Speaker 3: as He also referred to a sonic weapon being used
37:58
Speaker 3: against Maduro's Cuban security tail inside a heavily fortified fortress.
38:03
Speaker 3: Fucking a man. I would love to see what that
38:06
Speaker 3: looks like.
38:07
Speaker 5: You know, I bet they have video too, But yeahs,
38:12
Speaker 5: I'd love to.
38:12
Speaker 3: Go into a skiff. Just show me the video. I
38:14
Speaker 3: won't say no, I want to see what it looks like.
38:16
Speaker 3: I just want to watch. It looks like when somebody
38:18
Speaker 3: gets zapped by sound and gets fully disabled, Like apparently
38:22
Speaker 3: they just fell to the ground in agony. They couldn't move,
38:25
Speaker 3: and they just went in and shot.
38:26
Speaker 2: Some freaking SF snipers, just freaking on top of that,
38:29
Speaker 2: just raining down on him.
38:31
Speaker 3: It's crazy, like that guy thought he was safe. Crazy
38:35
Speaker 3: And there's a famous video of him saying, come and
38:37
Speaker 3: get me.
38:37
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bro, be careful, don't what bear you poke?
38:42
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, it's like we none of us know what
38:45
Speaker 3: the tip of the spear of technology in weapon systems
38:49
Speaker 3: is available right now. We don't know. They don't tell us.
38:52
Speaker 3: They don't tell us. Obviously, no one knew that this
38:54
Speaker 3: fucking discombobulator thing existed. This is science fiction. Yeah, right.
38:59
Speaker 3: If this is two years ago, you'd be like, that's
39:01
Speaker 3: not a real thing. But now you're like, oh shit,
39:03
Speaker 3: they used it. It's not just a concept. They fucking
39:06
Speaker 3: used it. What else? What are they cooking out in
39:08
Speaker 3: the desert in the middle of Nevada? Who knows?
39:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about this For that to be used,
39:14
Speaker 2: there's something for generations past that as they're playing with now.
39:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. You know this whole UAP world stuff,
39:26
Speaker 3: Like when they start talking about UAPs, all of my
39:28
Speaker 3: bullshit alarms go off.
39:30
Speaker 2: All of them.
39:31
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't believe if you knew things, you
39:33
Speaker 3: would tell us. So I don't believe you're telling us
39:37
Speaker 3: the truth. I think they have some special access programs
39:42
Speaker 3: that they've been working on for decades and decades, and
39:45
Speaker 3: some super high level shit that involves some sort of
39:49
Speaker 3: novel propulsion system, and they have that stuff flying around
39:53
Speaker 3: in the sky. And I think that's what a lot
39:55
Speaker 3: of people are saying. That's what a lot of people
39:57
Speaker 3: are saying. That doesn't discount the idea that there's something
40:00
Speaker 3: else out there, because I think there is. But I
40:02
Speaker 3: think there's a giant chunk of the shit that people
40:04
Speaker 3: are seeing that's ours. Yeah, testing, yeah, testing, doing stuff
40:09
Speaker 3: with it.
40:09
Speaker 2: If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled
40:12
Speaker 2: upon our barbaric asses, why would they not go, hey, guys,
40:17
Speaker 2: fire up that fucking missile and take we found this
40:19
Speaker 2: blue planet. We got to get rid of this thing.
40:21
Speaker 3: Well, I think maybe every intelligent species that's tribal and
40:26
Speaker 3: territorial has to go through an adolescent period of their evolution.
40:30
Speaker 3: And if you look at human history, you know, I
40:33
Speaker 3: was reading about Vladim Paler last night Jesus Christ and
40:37
Speaker 3: how many of the Ottoman Turks that got killed and
40:40
Speaker 3: his famous methods of putting people on posts and separating
40:46
Speaker 3: them down the line on the road, so that as
40:48
Speaker 3: these poor guys are traveling to go and fight him,
40:51
Speaker 3: they just see the enemy stuck on skewers and in
40:54
Speaker 3: geometric patterns and shit. He would do him in like
40:56
Speaker 3: stars and stuff. He was a vicious motherfucker. And he's
41:00
Speaker 3: the motivation behind or the you know, the inspiration behind Dracula.
41:05
Speaker 3: And I was reading about that guy, I'm like, fuck,
41:07
Speaker 3: people have always been awful. They've always been awful, but
41:11
Speaker 3: they just like as time goes on, they get a
41:14
Speaker 3: little less awful, little less Like we're a little less
41:17
Speaker 3: awful now than we were during Nazi Germany.
41:20
Speaker 6: Not totally great, not collectively right. Certain we're still willing
41:26
Speaker 6: to do genocide. Some of us are, but it's less
41:29
Speaker 6: less approved. It's less more people are horrified at it.
41:33
Speaker 6: It's like human beings are getting a little bit better.
41:36
Speaker 6: It's it's not as quick as we'd like.
41:38
Speaker 3: I think if I was an alien life form, I
41:40
Speaker 3: would say, you have to wait this out. It's like
41:43
Speaker 3: if you have a kid, you gotta let the kid
41:45
Speaker 3: fall down, stumble, you gotta let it get hurt, you
41:48
Speaker 3: gotta let things happen, you gotta let them fuck up
41:50
Speaker 3: and figure it out. Himself. You gotta figure this out,
41:52
Speaker 3: make it right, you fuck this up. You got to
41:54
Speaker 3: give them a chance to become better. I think as
41:58
Speaker 3: a civilization, I would think the same thing would a play.
42:00
Speaker 3: You have to give this civilization and time to evolve
42:03
Speaker 3: and adapt and get past where it's at right now.
42:06
Speaker 3: And I don't think that you do that by intervening
42:09
Speaker 3: and like grabbing us by the hand and showing us
42:11
Speaker 3: the way. I think what you do is you hang
42:15
Speaker 3: back and make sure that we don't nuke each other
42:18
Speaker 3: and just sort of pay attention to all the different
42:22
Speaker 3: international ongoings and just let human beings slowly but surely evolve. Yeah,
42:28
Speaker 3: that's what I would do if I was an intelligent
42:30
Speaker 3: life form observing people.
42:32
Speaker 2: The interesting thing that we're as a civilization facing now,
42:37
Speaker 2: and it's always happened in some capacity when a society
42:40
Speaker 2: gets wealthy, really wealthy, and people start to question wealth
42:46
Speaker 2: and how can we be more equitable? And it comes
42:49
Speaker 2: across like compassion, but it really comes down to a
42:51
Speaker 2: debate of what is more valuable to a society. Is
42:55
Speaker 2: self determination more valuable or is equity more valuable? And
43:01
Speaker 2: by equity, what I mean is everyone gets exactly the
43:04
Speaker 2: same shit everyone, So you take them off. We're not
43:08
Speaker 2: on a monetary society anymore. Now you're working for the collective,
43:12
Speaker 2: and you're hearing that word thrown around a lot these days.
43:15
Speaker 2: The problem with working for the collective is who decides
43:19
Speaker 2: who picks up the trash and who decides who gets
43:22
Speaker 2: to go represent your nation at the Olympics. Who gets
43:27
Speaker 2: to decide who gets to Is someone going to let
43:31
Speaker 2: me go make TV shows, which, by the way, I
43:34
Speaker 2: wouldn't do for free. It's too fucking hard. So now
43:37
Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. Well, then you've got
43:40
Speaker 2: to go do this. Well I don't want to do
43:41
Speaker 2: that either, and that's the problem.
43:43
Speaker 3: And then they force you to do things yea, and
43:44
Speaker 3: the and its.
43:46
Speaker 2: Yeah so then so so the You either have self
43:50
Speaker 2: determination or in your attempt to be collective, you have
43:55
Speaker 2: to surrender that, and then you're surrendering it to who
43:59
Speaker 2: and you have a dictatorship, no matter what the fuck
44:01
Speaker 2: you thought you had. Yeah, it always comes back to that,
44:04
Speaker 2: It always. You can you can look at Marxism and
44:08
Speaker 2: Leninism and what Lenin was talking about his hopes, whether
44:13
Speaker 2: they were his hopes or not, but it devolved into
44:18
Speaker 2: an authoritarian regime very very quickly. And and you know, communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism,
44:26
Speaker 2: they're all very very similar. The differences are superficial. I
44:30
Speaker 2: think ann Rand said that they're just superficial variations between
44:34
Speaker 2: the exact same thing, which is the evil of the collective, the.
44:38
Speaker 3: Evil of collective and human beings desire to control their people. Yeah,
44:42
Speaker 3: they love to they and anytime you give them a
44:44
Speaker 3: chance where they couldeel righteous about controlling people, they jump
44:47
Speaker 3: at it. And they can. They have an opportunity to
44:51
Speaker 3: classify people. There's good people and bad people, and the
44:53
Speaker 3: bad people you could do whatever you want to them.
44:55
Speaker 3: They're the other. And that that happens with every every
44:59
Speaker 3: time groups get into power like that and tell you
45:02
Speaker 3: what you can and can't do. And you're seeing that
45:05
Speaker 3: being embraced shockingly more and more all over the world.
45:10
Speaker 3: People are embracing more government power and more government control.
45:14
Speaker 3: And it's really crazy, it's really crazy to see.
45:17
Speaker 2: It's unique. I think that number one. I think in
45:23
Speaker 2: thirty years when they look back, like we're still suffering
45:26
Speaker 2: from a society from COVID like still and not so
45:32
Speaker 2: much from the disease itself, but from our faith in
45:38
Speaker 2: the institutions around us, whether it's government, whether it's the media,
45:42
Speaker 2: whether it's pharmaceutical companies, and the way that it was
45:49
Speaker 2: manipulated to gain power for a political group, and it
45:55
Speaker 2: was effective. And so when something's effective, then people just
45:58
Speaker 2: keep doing the same thing until it's no longer effective. Right.
46:03
Speaker 2: We did that in our military with the Wind's hearts
46:05
Speaker 2: and minds. Right, so that was all that all comes
46:08
Speaker 2: from Japan, Right, We're going to win the hearts and
46:10
Speaker 2: minds of Japanese. Well, the Japanese surrendered like their emperor,
46:14
Speaker 2: who they looked at as a god, he told the
46:17
Speaker 2: people of Japan after we dropped two freaking nuclear bombs
46:20
Speaker 2: on them, Hey, we are going to endure the endurable.
46:23
Speaker 2: We are going to surrender. It's the only way that
46:25
Speaker 2: we can salvage our nation. So they willfully surrendered. And
46:31
Speaker 2: then our government goes, look how great this hearts and
46:33
Speaker 2: mind stuff's working. It's not working. It's not working at all.
46:37
Speaker 2: And then they tried it in Vietnam, didn't work. Tried
46:40
Speaker 2: it everywhere else that we've had a conflict. We've tried
46:42
Speaker 2: it and it hasn't worked yet because what it was
46:44
Speaker 2: based on was flawed, right, because they they chose to
46:48
Speaker 2: be subjugated at that time, and making that choice kept
46:52
Speaker 2: them an independent nation. So our, our government our and
46:59
Speaker 2: it's so dangerous what we're seeing. You can like Trump
47:03
Speaker 2: or not like Trump. It doesn't People are going to
47:07
Speaker 2: like presidents and dislike presidents. But now it defying the
47:13
Speaker 2: rule of law because he happens to be the head
47:18
Speaker 2: of the federal government and openly defying the federal government.
47:21
Speaker 2: The repercussions of that are going to be. Okay, fine,
47:25
Speaker 2: you can't stand this man. You think he's a terrible president,
47:28
Speaker 2: and you're not going to follow his laws. But that's
47:31
Speaker 2: the new normal now. So when a president gets in
47:33
Speaker 2: that you do support, then the other side, because we've
47:36
Speaker 2: established this president, they're just not going to follow his
47:38
Speaker 2: laws either, right, And now we've eroded the rule of law,
47:42
Speaker 2: and then then what happens.
47:45
Speaker 3: The slippery slope is very dangerous. I mean, I was
47:49
Speaker 3: saying that when the ice raids were going on, because
47:51
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I am not in favor of
47:55
Speaker 3: illegal criminals being in this country. However, we're setting a
48:00
Speaker 3: very alarming precedent where you have masked militarized police with
48:06
Speaker 3: no ID that are running around the cities snatching people
48:11
Speaker 3: up like this. This could set a precedent that could
48:15
Speaker 3: be used by the Left if they get into power
48:18
Speaker 3: for something different. Then this is being than just for ice.
48:21
Speaker 3: We've already accepted the idea of militarized police on our
48:24
Speaker 3: streets and that people with seven weeks training, you're just
48:28
Speaker 3: sending them out to snatch up people. And a lot
48:31
Speaker 3: of American citizens are getting caught up in that trap too, unfortunately,
48:35
Speaker 3: and then they have to get released like that. That
48:39
Speaker 3: could be bad if the next party gets in. So
48:43
Speaker 3: if the Democrats get in next and they decide like
48:46
Speaker 3: maybe there's a new a new COVID strain happens, some
48:51
Speaker 3: new pandemic happens.
48:52
Speaker 2: Whatever the fun if you don't get the vaccine, they're
48:54
Speaker 2: going to rescue and then they start the same.
48:56
Speaker 3: Yes, we saw it in I think it was Minnesota
48:59
Speaker 3: or whoever. They have the Newttional Guard on the streets,
49:01
Speaker 3: but they had people enforcing lockdowns and so they had
49:04
Speaker 3: people walking on the streets with fucking guns yelling at
49:08
Speaker 3: people to get in your house over a cold like this,
49:12
Speaker 3: These kind of slippery slopes you might think, no, we're
49:15
Speaker 3: just trying to get rid of the bad immigrants. I
49:18
Speaker 3: get it. I'm with you. I agree. However, the way
49:22
Speaker 3: they're doing it doing it and I don't know. I'm
49:25
Speaker 3: not even saying there's another way or a better way.
49:27
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you want to get them out all
49:29
Speaker 3: at once, Yeah, that's the way to do it. You
49:31
Speaker 3: want to get them out quick, that's the way to
49:32
Speaker 3: do it, because they got them in quick. You're right,
49:35
Speaker 3: they open the fucking border. They help people get in.
49:38
Speaker 3: But now that they're in, if you're going to get
49:40
Speaker 3: them out that way, you're setting a weird precedent. You're
49:44
Speaker 3: setting a precedent that could be used in other ways.
49:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the challenge is, Okay, we're gonna we need
49:52
Speaker 2: to enforce the law right or don't have them right.
49:55
Speaker 2: They've enacted no new laws. These are the same immigration
49:58
Speaker 2: laws that were on the books when no Obama was
50:00
Speaker 2: president and Clinton was president, the same rules. It's the
50:04
Speaker 2: it's the methodology and and uh, you gotta you gotta
50:10
Speaker 2: sit there and way the pros and cons about Okay,
50:13
Speaker 2: the pros of trying to eradicate this issue. You can't
50:16
Speaker 2: give it a deadline. Right, it's slippery. It is slippery,
50:22
Speaker 2: and and again it's what's good for the goose is
50:24
Speaker 2: good for the gander. And and these politicians right now
50:28
Speaker 2: who are doing all of us at tremendous disservice in Washington,
50:31
Speaker 2: I feel are elected officials because they're they're not thinking
50:38
Speaker 2: beyond this next election. And maybe they never have, they
50:41
Speaker 2: never right, but they were better at hiding it. Maybe
50:44
Speaker 2: I think there's no Internet, but t will true.
50:46
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. There was no social media.
50:48
Speaker 2: But I think we've reached a point as they as
50:50
Speaker 2: they as politicians, talk about eliminating the electoral college, they
50:54
Speaker 2: talk about eliminating the filibuster, eliminate packing courts, all these
50:58
Speaker 2: things because their side's not in power. And so we're
51:01
Speaker 2: just going to take the structure of the government and
51:03
Speaker 2: totally rework it to benefit us temporarily. But then those
51:06
Speaker 2: same benefits that you have now will be used against you.
51:10
Speaker 2: They will one hundred percent be used against you. I
51:12
Speaker 2: think the most important legislation that we could pass right
51:17
Speaker 2: now is term limits. I think I think twelve years
51:22
Speaker 2: tops in Congress, and I think probably twelve years in
51:25
Speaker 2: the Senate. Two six year terms in the Senate. That's
51:28
Speaker 2: more than enough time. Yeah, that's time. That's enough. We
51:32
Speaker 2: don't need any anyone else. I mean, I don't know
51:34
Speaker 2: how it's become. How the fuck is Nancy Pelosi worth
51:37
Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars? How the fuck well? I know how. Yeah,
51:41
Speaker 2: she gets in on all these fucking IPOs exactly right.
51:44
Speaker 2: She's going to pass the legislation that allows visa to
51:47
Speaker 2: go public, and then she's going to get a big
51:49
Speaker 2: chunk of it. And then when she's confronted about it,
51:52
Speaker 2: look a reporter dead in the eye and fucking line one.
51:54
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do that. No,
51:56
Speaker 2: public we know you did it. We could look at
51:58
Speaker 2: how much stock you own. Fucking liar.
52:00
Speaker 3: They all do it.
52:01
Speaker 2: Yes, they get.
52:02
Speaker 3: People are calling out rocan On today, fucking rich.
52:04
Speaker 2: Everyone's getting rich.
52:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
52:06
Speaker 2: They get paid one hundred and seventy five grand a
52:07
Speaker 2: year and they're all fucking millionaires.
52:09
Speaker 3: Super millionaires. They're all like, like, she's intensely wealthy. That's
52:13
Speaker 3: that's a that's almost a half a billion dollars. That's nuts.
52:16
Speaker 3: As a public servant, that's nuts.
52:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's insanity.
52:19
Speaker 3: And it's you know, that's what we're used to. We're
52:24
Speaker 3: just we just we know it's bad and we just
52:27
Speaker 3: accept it. And people are busy and they have families
52:30
Speaker 3: and mortgages and shit to deal with, and so they complained.
52:33
Speaker 3: Then they keep on trucking.
52:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I have, as we discussed, I have
52:37
Speaker 2: other jobs. I don't have a pile of time to
52:40
Speaker 2: dedicate to It's tough for me to talk politics because
52:44
Speaker 2: I don't have hours in my day to sift through
52:46
Speaker 2: what's real and not real on Instagram or social whatever.
52:49
Speaker 2: I'm not on that shit. But but I can't hard
52:52
Speaker 2: to form an opinion because man, I don't know it.
52:54
Speaker 2: I don't know where to go to get honest news.
52:57
Speaker 2: I'm not the news. I know that I can't turn
52:59
Speaker 2: on the fucking news because they fucking been lying to us.
53:05
Speaker 2: They stopped being I don't know if they were ever impartial,
53:09
Speaker 2: but I know I know that. I remember there was
53:14
Speaker 2: a guy I was a kid. He was running for president.
53:18
Speaker 2: His name was Jack Kemp.
53:20
Speaker 3: I remember Jack Camp and.
53:22
Speaker 2: I want to say it was Dan, Rather it may
53:24
Speaker 2: not have been. It may have been some other newscaster.
53:27
Speaker 2: And there's a debate amongst all these different potential candidates
53:32
Speaker 2: for president. And as he's introducing all of these various politicians,
53:39
Speaker 2: he's saying, so and so Harvard graduate and law professor
53:42
Speaker 2: from here, and this former senator, and this and that
53:44
Speaker 2: and the other, and this person here, and they get
53:46
Speaker 2: to Jack Kemp and he goes backup quarterback and born
53:49
Speaker 2: again Christian Jack Kemp. I'm like, wow, you just sunk that, dude.
53:55
Speaker 2: Everyone else you gave what their jobs were and talked
53:58
Speaker 2: about their accomplishments of this said he didn't start at quarterback,
54:01
Speaker 2: and he's you call that as religion, dude, And that's
54:04
Speaker 2: the first time I ever remember. I'm like, I know
54:07
Speaker 2: your opinion. I'm not supposed to know your opinion. You're
54:10
Speaker 2: supposed to be and you're supposed to be giving me news, right,
54:13
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be giving me honest, unbiased information so
54:17
Speaker 2: I can make a decision, and you're making a decision
54:19
Speaker 2: for me or trying to. Yeah, And they've gotten so
54:23
Speaker 2: as news became entertainment, I mean, seeing is the worst
54:25
Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to news because it's twenty four
54:27
Speaker 2: hours and now all of a sudden, there's not twenty
54:30
Speaker 2: four hours worth of news all the time. Right there
54:32
Speaker 2: is during a war, right you can show us news,
54:34
Speaker 2: you know, war footage the whole time and talk about
54:37
Speaker 2: the war and why war and why no war. But
54:39
Speaker 2: when there's not, you got to make some shit up
54:41
Speaker 2: or push an opinion. And that's where we've gotten with
54:44
Speaker 2: news now. Now it's news is piss them off and
54:48
Speaker 2: scare the shit out of them. Yeah, that's how we
54:50
Speaker 2: keep them watching.
54:51
Speaker 3: And that's the business model it is now. And it's
54:54
Speaker 3: also piss them off and scare the shit out of them,
54:56
Speaker 3: but ignore certain things that your sponsor wouldn't like you
55:00
Speaker 3: to talk about. This is why you know Tulsea Gabbert
55:04
Speaker 3: and her final act as Director of National Intelligence. As
55:09
Speaker 3: she's leaving, she had that she gave that press conference
55:13
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Speaker 2: No, and by the way, didn't we all know that already?
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Speaker 3: Well, we knew it, but my parents didn't. You know,
56:32
Speaker 3: people that are just like just read the newspapers and
56:35
Speaker 3: watch TV, they don't know.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen anything as flagrantly obvious as as COVID
56:45
Speaker 2: coming from the Wuhan lab studying COVID, right right, I've
56:49
Speaker 2: never You've got fucking news anchors keeping a straight face
56:54
Speaker 2: saying it came from the wet market.
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Speaker 3: Did you ever see John Stewart's bit on it? And
56:58
Speaker 3: they did on the Colbert Show. Now you never saw, oh,
57:01
Speaker 3: we need to play it. Let's play it because it's
57:02
Speaker 3: so funny. Because Colbert tries to stop him from doing
57:05
Speaker 3: it and push back, and John he's a great comic.
57:08
Speaker 3: He just gets up from his chair and gets louder
57:11
Speaker 3: and just plows through it over Colbert's like trying to
57:15
Speaker 3: cock block his bit. He's like, it's like, it's a
57:17
Speaker 3: funny bit, and he's getting in the way. I'd like
57:20
Speaker 3: to see if you have information on that, I'd like
57:21
Speaker 3: to see it. And he just keeps going. He keeps
57:23
Speaker 3: plowing away. It's very funny and it's in the middle
57:27
Speaker 3: of it, right. He was a This was a courageous
57:29
Speaker 3: step because he was doing this when calling it out
57:32
Speaker 3: and saying that it came from a lab in Wuhan,
57:35
Speaker 3: China was somehow or another conflated with racism. Remember that,
57:40
Speaker 3: if you said it came from Wuhan, China, from a lab,
57:43
Speaker 3: you're a racist? Like how did you pull that off?
57:47
Speaker 3: Like how it's like, no, say anything, it's racist. It's
57:51
Speaker 3: from fucking China. And it seems like Ego Health Alliance
57:54
Speaker 3: funded it, and it seems like we funded Ego Health Alliance.
57:57
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fucking paperwork and by the way,
58:00
Speaker 2: there's studies on the fucking disease, yeah, that they've been
58:03
Speaker 2: doing that are posted on the CDC website. They're posted
58:06
Speaker 2: on the fucking My favorite was when you catch all
58:08
Speaker 2: this shit about ivermactin. Yeah, and and literally when when
58:12
Speaker 2: that happened, I went, oh, I look that up. But
58:14
Speaker 2: look up ivermactin and studies with ivermactin, and a study
58:19
Speaker 2: pops up on the on the CDC website while people
58:22
Speaker 2: are telling us to not take that shit, and it
58:25
Speaker 2: and it talks about the efficacy of ivermactin and anti
58:29
Speaker 2: viral properties, specifically COVID nineteen. Yeah, so it's on the
58:33
Speaker 2: government website that the fucking drug works, while they're telling
58:39
Speaker 2: everyone to not.
58:40
Speaker 3: Take it, and they're mocking me for taking the warmer.
58:42
Speaker 3: Watch this. This is great, This is great. Now he
58:47
Speaker 3: stopped because he still wants to put out that establishment position.
58:51
Speaker 3: I'd like to see any evidence, if you've got any evidence. Yeah, Well,
58:59
Speaker 3: while all times in the news, because I think from
59:02
Speaker 3: then on that sort of sent of shockwave through the
59:06
Speaker 3: majority of the population where just whatever trust they had
59:09
Speaker 3: in the news just got severely eroded. And if we
59:12
Speaker 3: don't have good news, if we don't have trust in
59:15
Speaker 3: the news, then we're kind of a drift. And then
59:18
Speaker 3: you get locked into fucking conspiracy theories and eco chambers
59:21
Speaker 3: online and you can get trapped in them too, and
59:24
Speaker 3: that's not good either.
59:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, then there's nowhere to go get information.
59:29
Speaker 3: Has anybody in NBCCBS, CNN if any of those people
59:34
Speaker 3: picked up on that Tulsy Gabbard speech about Fauci and
59:39
Speaker 3: had any sort of a reaction to it. I'd like
59:42
Speaker 3: to know that, because from what I was reading online,
59:46
Speaker 3: none of them had. But this was as of yesterday.
59:49
Speaker 3: I don't know whether or not that's changed. I don't
59:52
Speaker 3: know if like they were preparing an article and they
59:54
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that they got all their ducks
59:56
Speaker 3: in a row.
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Speaker 2: I would think pretty much anytime the head of an
1:00:01
Speaker 2: institute is begging for a pardon when he hasn't been
1:00:08
Speaker 2: charged with any crime is pretty good indicator. You might
1:00:11
Speaker 2: want to look and see if there's been a crime committee.
1:00:13
Speaker 3: Is he begging for a pardon?
1:00:15
Speaker 2: I mean he had Fauci. Fauci was like he had
1:00:17
Speaker 2: he had attorneys. This is part of that deal. He
1:00:20
Speaker 2: had attorneys reaching out to Biden's camp the last day
1:00:25
Speaker 2: when he got the pardoner the very last day.
1:00:28
Speaker 3: Jesus, it's just a preemptive pardon. Is nuts, especially when
1:00:33
Speaker 3: when rand Paul's questioning him and he's talking to him
1:00:36
Speaker 3: about specifically about what what defines gain of function research,
1:00:40
Speaker 3: and by all account, by every definition, it's gain of
1:00:44
Speaker 3: function research, and Fauci's still saying, you do not know
1:00:48
Speaker 3: what you are talking about, with all due respect.
1:00:52
Speaker 2: Even though even though he's a doctor, Grandpa's a fucking doctor.
1:00:55
Speaker 2: And then they said, well, you're an eye doctor. Well
1:00:58
Speaker 2: that's my specialty. But before I became an eye doctor,
1:01:01
Speaker 2: I became a general doctor, which means I studied all
1:01:03
Speaker 2: the same shit that Fauci studied. You got to go
1:01:06
Speaker 2: through medical school before you go pick a specialty, So
1:01:09
Speaker 2: four years of studying the entire body before you specialize
1:01:13
Speaker 2: in whatever you're going to specialize that.
1:01:15
Speaker 3: Well, it's also then if you read RFK. Junior's book,
1:01:18
Speaker 3: The Real Anthony Fauci, you find out he ran this
1:01:21
Speaker 3: exact same playbook during the AIDS pandemic. It was the
1:01:25
Speaker 3: exact same playbook. That's what the Dallas Buyers Club is about.
1:01:28
Speaker 3: The Dallas Biers Club that McConaughey movie about AIDS. The
1:01:32
Speaker 3: fucking villain is Anthony Fauci. He's the guy that's stopping
1:01:35
Speaker 3: them from getting alternative medications. That's the guy that wanted
1:01:39
Speaker 3: everybody to take AZT. You know why, because AZT had
1:01:42
Speaker 3: already been approved. They had already used it as a
1:01:45
Speaker 3: cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped
1:01:48
Speaker 3: using because it was too deadly. It was killing people
1:01:50
Speaker 3: quicker than cancer was killing them. So the first medication
1:01:53
Speaker 3: they gave people when they had an immune system that
1:01:55
Speaker 3: was compromised was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people,
1:02:00
Speaker 3: and they were giving it to people that were asymptomatic,
1:02:02
Speaker 3: they were giving it to people that tested HIV positive.
1:02:05
Speaker 3: And then you know about the PCR testing, So the
1:02:08
Speaker 3: PTR says Kerry Mullis, the guy who invented PCR testing,
1:02:11
Speaker 3: said publicly about Fauci, he does not know what the
1:02:14
Speaker 3: fuck he's talking about. I don't think he said fuck,
1:02:16
Speaker 3: but he does not know what he's talking about. And
1:02:18
Speaker 3: then it's not supposed to be used to detect a
1:02:21
Speaker 3: disease in a person's body, and that if you ramp
1:02:23
Speaker 3: up the cycles long enough, just like they did with
1:02:26
Speaker 3: COVID where we got some by some estimations, eighty percent
1:02:30
Speaker 3: false positives because of the PCR method, because they were
1:02:33
Speaker 3: ramping them up so high, and so they cut it
1:02:35
Speaker 3: back quite significantly and that reduced the amount of false
1:02:38
Speaker 3: positives they had. But there's a lot of people that
1:02:41
Speaker 3: got tested as HIV positive that probably weren't, and they
1:02:46
Speaker 3: put those fucking people on AZT and AZT kills you.
1:02:51
Speaker 2: Whow yeah nuts.
1:02:54
Speaker 3: Most bainstream outlets are treating it as a serious but
1:02:57
Speaker 3: unproven political bombshell. They're reporting that Gabbard alleges what Gabbart alleges,
1:03:04
Speaker 3: stressing the documents are disputed and under review, and highlighting
1:03:08
Speaker 3: how polarized the reaction is. Mainstream print Jerusalem Post, Money
1:03:14
Speaker 3: Control newsweeks summarize her accusations, emphasized that COVID's origins remain unresolved,
1:03:20
Speaker 3: and note that the claims about Fauci sparking COVID or
1:03:23
Speaker 3: lying under oath are heavily contested not yet legally validated.
1:03:28
Speaker 3: Many stories frame this as reigniting a long running fight
1:03:32
Speaker 3: over lab leak versus natural origin. A list that fight
1:03:34
Speaker 3: is over kids, that fights over this. If you're saying,
1:03:38
Speaker 3: if you are in the news, and you are saying
1:03:42
Speaker 3: that there's still a long running controversy as to whether
1:03:46
Speaker 3: it's a lab leak or natural origin. Shut your fucking
1:03:49
Speaker 3: dirty horror mouth, because it's not. There's the fight's over.
1:03:54
Speaker 3: It's a fucking lab leak. They say the new documents
1:03:57
Speaker 3: will need independent scrutiny from Congress, investigators and scientists before
1:04:02
Speaker 3: any firm conclusions can be drawn. Okay. Right leaning media
1:04:08
Speaker 3: highlight her file dump as vindication for critics, focus on
1:04:12
Speaker 3: the cover up narrative, and give prominence space to Republicans
1:04:14
Speaker 3: like Randpaul. Why is it more centrist? Or Mainstream outlets
1:04:19
Speaker 3: present it as a straighter news tone, often pairing Gabbart's
1:04:22
Speaker 3: and GOP's quotes with Fauci's past denials and nothing. There
1:04:26
Speaker 3: is so far no judicial finding, a perjury or criminal conduct.
1:04:30
Speaker 2: What I've never understood is how this became a left
1:04:33
Speaker 2: or rights so stupid when Fauci, who's a career bureaucrat,
1:04:40
Speaker 2: right through, I mean, when all this started, there was
1:04:43
Speaker 2: a Republican president yep, right, and then he's he's served
1:04:47
Speaker 2: that Republican president, he served the Democratic president before that
1:04:50
Speaker 2: and before that, and then he served a Republican. I
1:04:53
Speaker 2: mean he's been there for fucking fifty years.
1:04:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been this dude.
1:04:56
Speaker 2: It's not political. It shouldn't be political. There shouldn't be
1:05:00
Speaker 2: a right left side of this. It's hey, a career
1:05:03
Speaker 2: bureaucrat fucking lied to us.
1:05:05
Speaker 3: He used the exact same language when he was talking
1:05:09
Speaker 3: about AZT as a medication for HIV that he used
1:05:11
Speaker 3: for the COVID vaccine. The reason why it's the only
1:05:15
Speaker 3: medication is because it is both safe and defective. Guy's
1:05:21
Speaker 3: a monster. Yeah, So literally, like he's one of those
1:05:24
Speaker 3: guys like throughout history where you're gonna look back over
1:05:27
Speaker 3: time and you go, holy shit, this one guy's lies,
1:05:30
Speaker 3: This one guy's aspirations, this one guy's career fucked so
1:05:35
Speaker 3: many people over.
1:05:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't and I don't understand why Democrats
1:05:41
Speaker 2: would want to fall in that sort with there's no
1:05:43
Speaker 2: reason to align.
1:05:44
Speaker 3: Because people are stupid and they just decide that because
1:05:47
Speaker 3: the Republicans a president and the anything the Republicans are
1:05:51
Speaker 3: pushing has to be bad, and that stupid fucking division.
1:05:55
Speaker 3: It's so it's so silly. It's so silly. It really
1:05:59
Speaker 3: is because the same people during Trump's presidency. We're openly saying,
1:06:04
Speaker 3: are you gonna trust a vaccine that's created under Trump?
1:06:07
Speaker 3: They were all saying it. Yeah, Kamala Harris said it
1:06:09
Speaker 3: a bunch of joy. Reid said, they all said it.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: And then they then they bet their entire political livelihoods
1:06:16
Speaker 2: on it.
1:06:19
Speaker 3: We deserve better, we really do, or we don't. Maybe
1:06:23
Speaker 3: we don't. We fucking think they're good. We're so silly.
1:06:27
Speaker 3: It's such a fucking silly group of human beings. We are.
1:06:30
Speaker 2: That's fucking wild.
1:06:31
Speaker 3: Now, not all of us, though, you know, I think
1:06:33
Speaker 3: less of us now. I think it's it's gonna be
1:06:37
Speaker 3: way harder to divide people the way they divided everybody
1:06:39
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. It'll be way harder now. I think
1:06:43
Speaker 3: most people are just not buying it. And as long
1:06:45
Speaker 3: as people wake up to this left versus right nonsense,
1:06:48
Speaker 3: it's really just a big fucking hustle to keep you
1:06:50
Speaker 3: fighting with each other. Oh, for most of it, Oh
1:06:53
Speaker 3: for sure, most of it. Even the ice stuff that
1:06:56
Speaker 3: we were talking about. Hey, folks, do you think it's
1:06:58
Speaker 3: a coincidence that the biggest fucking ice protests were all
1:07:01
Speaker 3: going on in the same place where they found all
1:07:04
Speaker 3: that fraud. This is a curdia curdia that these organized,
1:07:10
Speaker 3: massive protests were all occurring in the same place where
1:07:14
Speaker 3: that Nick Shirley cat found fucking billions of dollars in fraud.
1:07:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, shocker, crazy. Didn't they pass? Didn't California pass a law,
1:07:25
Speaker 2: a Nick Shirley law, to prevent that that specifically that
1:07:29
Speaker 2: guy from fucking poking around in California? Yes, yes, I.
1:07:32
Speaker 3: Mean they've even referred to it as the Nick Shirley Law.
1:07:35
Speaker 3: The idea is to keep people from investigating fraud, which
1:07:39
Speaker 3: is outlandish, That is outrageous. That is a crazy thing
1:07:44
Speaker 3: to emphasize. And the thing is, well, you want these
1:07:46
Speaker 3: people are showing up at daycares and looking in, right,
1:07:49
Speaker 3: they shouldn't. You're right, one hundred percent people, random people
1:07:53
Speaker 3: from the internet should not be showing up at daycares
1:07:56
Speaker 3: with cameras. I agree. However, when there's no one in
1:08:01
Speaker 3: that daycare for years and years and years, and they
1:08:04
Speaker 3: can prove that fucking millions of dollars of being earned
1:08:08
Speaker 3: by that daycare and there's no one in there, isn't
1:08:11
Speaker 3: there isn't there not fully passed into law? Not yet?
1:08:15
Speaker 2: Isn't there a video of that kid like walking up
1:08:18
Speaker 2: to one of these and these dudes get out and
1:08:20
Speaker 2: like drive off in their fucking Bentley's.
1:08:22
Speaker 3: I don't know if those are real. There's a bunch
1:08:24
Speaker 3: of fake videos that were made by people afterwards that
1:08:27
Speaker 3: were just capitalizing on people wanting to click on something
1:08:31
Speaker 3: like that. And so they were just engagement farming by
1:08:33
Speaker 3: pretending like the guy would show up and they'd go,
1:08:36
Speaker 3: what what are you talking about? I don't I have
1:08:37
Speaker 3: no idea what it is bad acting and they get
1:08:40
Speaker 3: into Rolls Royce like it's just bullshit. It seemed like
1:08:43
Speaker 3: bullshit to me. I mean, I'm sure a bunch of
1:08:46
Speaker 3: those guys made a bunch of money, and I'm sure
1:08:48
Speaker 3: there is a lot of fraud it just like they're
1:08:52
Speaker 3: admitting it. Minnesota is admitting it. They knew what was
1:08:55
Speaker 3: going on forever, you know. And then how about the
1:08:58
Speaker 3: fact that there's certain politics that voted against this idea.
1:09:03
Speaker 3: So one of those ladies that was killed, Like there
1:09:05
Speaker 3: was a lady and her husband that were murdered in Minnesota,
1:09:10
Speaker 3: and she was one of the few people that voted
1:09:14
Speaker 3: against providing medicare for illegals. They were trying to they
1:09:19
Speaker 3: were trying to pass some bill involving Medicare and illegals,
1:09:23
Speaker 3: and she was one of the ones that voted against
1:09:24
Speaker 3: it and she was killed. The guy who killed her
1:09:29
Speaker 3: said that Tim Waltz sent him to kill them. Now,
1:09:34
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's full of shit. He easily
1:09:36
Speaker 3: could be. He's a fucking crazy person. He's a murderer.
1:09:39
Speaker 3: He showed up at their house with a mask on
1:09:41
Speaker 3: and fucking shot them dead and shot a couple other
1:09:43
Speaker 3: people too, So like he's, you know, obviously he's fucking
1:09:46
Speaker 3: cracked out, but kind of weird, kind of weird that
1:09:51
Speaker 3: the lady who wants to vote against this obvious fraud,
1:09:55
Speaker 3: this money that's being somehow another funneled around through Medicare.
1:09:59
Speaker 3: Like one of the things that Elon said when he
1:10:01
Speaker 3: was on the podcast is that Medicaid and Medicare fraud
1:10:04
Speaker 3: is one of the biggest fucking problems. And he was
1:10:07
Speaker 3: looking into a dough he goes, I almost don't want
1:10:09
Speaker 3: to talk about it because I don't want to get killed.
1:10:11
Speaker 3: He goes, it's that bad. And this was before all
1:10:14
Speaker 3: this Nick Shirley shit, and now you're seeing it and
1:10:17
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, now I get it these hospices that
1:10:21
Speaker 3: they have, these fake hospices in California, and then all
1:10:25
Speaker 3: the Somali daycare centers and all the different things, Like
1:10:27
Speaker 3: these people just made autism. The autism diagnosises went through
1:10:31
Speaker 3: the fucking roof because now they can have these autism centers.
1:10:35
Speaker 3: So they just diagnosed their kids as autistic and then
1:10:37
Speaker 3: they're raking in all this money for treatment. It's crazy
1:10:41
Speaker 3: how much fraud there is.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: Hundreds of billions, hundreds.
1:10:44
Speaker 3: Of billions of dollars, and just what a shocker that
1:10:47
Speaker 3: that's the place where the big ice protests broke out. Huh.
1:10:50
Speaker 2: People forget that. When Obama was president, he made a
1:10:54
Speaker 2: big public statement about going after a government fraud. They
1:10:58
Speaker 2: were aware of it. Then, they've been aware of it
1:11:00
Speaker 2: for it's always taken place, but on the scale. And
1:11:04
Speaker 2: and he tried, and he caught resistance to the point
1:11:08
Speaker 2: that he wasn't able to do his version of a
1:11:10
Speaker 2: doge right, which was which was his intention. He gave
1:11:13
Speaker 2: a big public speech about it, and and try to
1:11:16
Speaker 2: look into it. And he's if you're stealing hundreds of
1:11:22
Speaker 2: billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars, what wouldn't
1:11:26
Speaker 2: you do to protect that?
1:11:27
Speaker 3: Exactly? And that was Elon's point. And also that money
1:11:31
Speaker 3: for sure makes its way into Democratic coffers and probably
1:11:35
Speaker 3: Republican too.
1:11:36
Speaker 2: And whoever the fuck is going to be, whoever's whoever's enabled, who's.
1:11:39
Speaker 3: Ever gonna who's ever gonna help out, whoever wants a
1:11:42
Speaker 3: piece of this pie is a juicy ass pie. It's
1:11:44
Speaker 3: one hundred billion dollar pie.
1:11:45
Speaker 2: Come get something that'll almost bill you a rail system
1:11:48
Speaker 2: in California. You can get a mile of.
1:11:51
Speaker 3: Track or a second Google bridge.
1:11:54
Speaker 2: Fucking car sales. But have you had that guy on?
1:11:56
Speaker 3: No, he wants to be on. He talks a lot
1:11:59
Speaker 3: of it about me. First, he was saying, Joe Roan's
1:12:01
Speaker 3: not a fan of me, but I'm a big fan
1:12:02
Speaker 3: of him. He was like saying, all this, doesn't.
1:12:04
Speaker 2: He have his own podcasts? Yeah, because that city, that
1:12:06
Speaker 2: state is running so well. The governor, he's got a.
1:12:10
Speaker 3: Lot of free turn it's so smooth. If you ask him,
1:12:12
Speaker 3: he'll tell you, he'll tell you how awesome it is.
1:12:14
Speaker 3: He'll give you a status.
1:12:15
Speaker 2: Get the statutistically people are moving there in record numbers.
1:12:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not true. It's not true. It's uh, the
1:12:23
Speaker 3: all the stats, the positive stats, they were already going
1:12:25
Speaker 3: on before he was the governor. It's it's California's an
1:12:28
Speaker 3: awesome place. The fucking weather's perfect. San Francisco has always
1:12:32
Speaker 3: been an incredible tech hub of geniuses. There's always been
1:12:35
Speaker 3: a bunch of super wizards up there that are creating
1:12:37
Speaker 3: some of the best technology in the world. And that
1:12:40
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with him, has zero to do
1:12:43
Speaker 3: with him, And all these problems that they're in government
1:12:46
Speaker 3: has caused, because that's the real problem with him as
1:12:50
Speaker 3: a governor. It's a real problem with Karen Bass as
1:12:53
Speaker 3: a mayor. It's a real problem with whatever the fuck
1:12:55
Speaker 3: happened to San Francisco. It's bad government. It's not upholding
1:13:00
Speaker 3: the rule of the law, not keeping people safe, being
1:13:02
Speaker 3: empathetic to people that are shooting up on the street
1:13:05
Speaker 3: over people that are trying to walk their fucking kids
1:13:07
Speaker 3: to school. Like what you're doing is bad for society.
1:13:12
Speaker 2: It's bad, And it seems to me that for the
1:13:18
Speaker 2: most part, for the most part, if you are the
1:13:21
Speaker 2: mayor of a city. And when I was writing Yellowstone,
1:13:25
Speaker 2: the governor of Montana at the time, who was a Democrat,
1:13:27
Speaker 2: I called him and asked him, I said, hey, guys,
1:13:31
Speaker 2: talk to you about what it's like to be a governor.
1:13:34
Speaker 2: What did you think it would be and what did
1:13:35
Speaker 2: it turn out to be? And what he said was
1:13:39
Speaker 2: Steve Bullock, who is his name? He said, well, I
1:13:43
Speaker 2: thought I was going to, you know, make all these
1:13:47
Speaker 2: changes and do this and shepherd this. And I learned
1:13:49
Speaker 2: that I am the CEO of a state and that
1:13:52
Speaker 2: my job as the CEO of the state is take
1:13:56
Speaker 2: care of the people who live in the state, the
1:13:59
Speaker 2: employees of the state. Attract business here, attract tourism here,
1:14:03
Speaker 2: and try to make the state make more money and
1:14:06
Speaker 2: make lives better. That's my job. Infrastructure and city management
1:14:11
Speaker 2: and people management and tourism, that's my job. And to
1:14:17
Speaker 2: even more acutely to a mayor, you're really the president
1:14:21
Speaker 2: of a city or the CEO of the city, and
1:14:22
Speaker 2: your job is keep the lights on, pick up the trash,
1:14:26
Speaker 2: put out the fires, deal with the sewage, keep it safe.
1:14:30
Speaker 2: Like that's it. There's no social anything secondarily possibly but
1:14:35
Speaker 2: run the schools, like run the city. And you have
1:14:39
Speaker 2: in a lot of these big urban areas where they're
1:14:42
Speaker 2: so agenda driven and they're pushing a social agenda, and
1:14:46
Speaker 2: they're not running the cities. They're not running them at all,
1:14:50
Speaker 2: and so they're running into the ground. And it's tragic
1:14:54
Speaker 2: to see because San Francisco, like you said, it's a
1:14:55
Speaker 2: beautiful city. LA used to be a fag place where
1:15:00
Speaker 2: you could go and make your dreams come true.
1:15:02
Speaker 3: San Francisco was awesome ten years ago, just ten years ago.
1:15:06
Speaker 3: I filmed my special triggered in the film More in
1:15:11
Speaker 3: San Francisco in twenty sixteen. Was great, no problems. It
1:15:15
Speaker 3: was not those homeless people everywhere. It was normal. It
1:15:18
Speaker 3: was normal San Francisco, go to a cool restaurant. People
1:15:21
Speaker 3: are cool. Always been like a smart city, interesting architecture,
1:15:25
Speaker 3: always been a great city. I lived there from the
1:15:27
Speaker 3: time I was seven to eleven. Right, yeah, I love
1:15:30
Speaker 3: San Francisco. It's unrecognizable now ten years that's it. Ten
1:15:35
Speaker 3: years of fucking asenine government and also this homeless thing.
1:15:42
Speaker 3: When you realize that it's an industry, the homelessness is valuable.
1:15:47
Speaker 3: Having homeless people on the streets is valuable because you
1:15:50
Speaker 3: can get more money to deal with this obvious homeless problem.
1:15:53
Speaker 3: The more obvious the problem is, the more money they're
1:15:56
Speaker 3: gonna throw on it. They don't have to fix it.
1:15:58
Speaker 2: Well, there's no intention and to fix it. They're they're
1:16:01
Speaker 2: giving out free needles here, get high here. It's and
1:16:08
Speaker 2: I was, I was just somewhere where my first experience
1:16:11
Speaker 2: seeing the homeless in this magnitude, and the one thing
1:16:17
Speaker 2: that's evident instantly is they're all so completely strung out
1:16:21
Speaker 2: on drugs, Like this ventanyl thing is no fucking joke,
1:16:25
Speaker 2: Like the zombies leaning against every corner and and and
1:16:30
Speaker 2: to me, it's cruel, right, Like, if someone's to that
1:16:35
Speaker 2: point you and you want to help them, don't give
1:16:38
Speaker 2: them a fucking iPhone and some more needles. How about
1:16:41
Speaker 2: you pick them up off the street and you take
1:16:43
Speaker 2: them somewhere and go, look, there's a curfew here, and
1:16:45
Speaker 2: you ain't doing no drugs. We're going to clean you out.
1:16:48
Speaker 2: And and some aren't gonna want that. They're gonna want
1:16:50
Speaker 2: to go back on the street and do drugs. And
1:16:54
Speaker 2: and the addiction and the consequences of drugs that are
1:16:57
Speaker 2: that I had surgery that put me on fentanyl neck surgery,
1:17:01
Speaker 2: and they put me on fitanyl. There's high. Then there's
1:17:04
Speaker 2: that shit. And that was done by an antesesiologist I
1:17:07
Speaker 2: wasn't self medicating on a fucking parking lot, right, would
1:17:10
Speaker 2: you get done your neck? C sixty seven blu usion? No?
1:17:14
Speaker 3: No, no, no no.
1:17:15
Speaker 2: I had the dissective disk.
1:17:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, just cut some of it down. Yeah, it's okay.
1:17:19
Speaker 3: Now yeah, how long ago did you get that done?
1:17:23
Speaker 3: Is it maybe three years ago? I wish yeah, three
1:17:26
Speaker 3: years ago. If that ever happens again, don't do that.
1:17:28
Speaker 2: Don't know, well it'll happen.
1:17:30
Speaker 3: Because yeah, I'm sure it will. There's other ways. There's
1:17:33
Speaker 3: a way. Yeah, there's PRP can help it. Regena Kein
1:17:37
Speaker 3: help mine. I had a pretty bad bulging disc in
1:17:39
Speaker 3: my neck, Regena Keen. Is they used to have to
1:17:43
Speaker 3: go to Germany to do it. I know, Payton Manning
1:17:45
Speaker 3: went there, Kobe Bryant went there, and Dan White actually
1:17:48
Speaker 3: flew to Germany to get it done. It is, Uh,
1:17:52
Speaker 3: it's like an advanced form of platelet rich plasma where
1:17:55
Speaker 3: they take your blood. They there's a process to it,
1:17:59
Speaker 3: pull it up, Jamie, because I can't remember what the
1:18:01
Speaker 3: process is. But they spin it in a centerfuge for
1:18:04
Speaker 3: like ten hours, and then you come back the next
1:18:06
Speaker 3: day and they inject it and it makes this very
1:18:09
Speaker 3: potent anti inflammatory, and they injected around wherever the injury
1:18:12
Speaker 3: is to the disc and it provides, like within weeks,
1:18:17
Speaker 3: amazing relief. And for me, it completely cured it. I
1:18:20
Speaker 3: had a point where my fingers were going, Now, yeah,
1:18:22
Speaker 3: that's what the German go back up back to where Yeah,
1:18:28
Speaker 3: so German physician doctor Peter Welling, the treatment focus on
1:18:31
Speaker 3: blocking a specific inflammatory protein interluken one. So they take
1:18:36
Speaker 3: the blood out, they draw your blood and then the
1:18:39
Speaker 3: blood is heated to body temperature to trigger the production
1:18:42
Speaker 3: of a natural anti inflammatory protein called il one r A,
1:18:47
Speaker 3: and then they spin in a centrifuge, separating out the
1:18:50
Speaker 3: protein rich serum. The serum is then injected directly into
1:18:54
Speaker 3: the painful joint or tissue. Dude, is remarkable for me
1:18:58
Speaker 3: for knee, and I did it a bunch of times.
1:19:02
Speaker 3: I used to do it at they moved. It used
1:19:04
Speaker 3: to have to go to Germany and then Santa Monica
1:19:07
Speaker 3: they opened up an office. It's lifestyle medicine, that's what
1:19:09
Speaker 3: it's called, right, and then that's where I had it done.
1:19:15
Speaker 3: And you it's incredible, like it I had it done
1:19:18
Speaker 3: my entire back. Like there's a picture of me on
1:19:20
Speaker 3: the on Instagram with a bunch of these fucking tubes
1:19:22
Speaker 3: and that's me right there, a bunch of those tubes
1:19:25
Speaker 3: my hairy ass back. And uh it was incredible. I
1:19:29
Speaker 3: mean it really fixed so many problems that I had.
1:19:34
Speaker 3: It's uh really great for specifically for back injuries, knee injuries,
1:19:39
Speaker 3: stuff like that. There's a lot of good biological options.
1:19:42
Speaker 3: There's also decompression is very important. I have a harness
1:19:47
Speaker 3: that I attached to a pull up bar and it
1:19:49
Speaker 3: straps under my chin and I just like let my
1:19:51
Speaker 3: weight drop down and decompress my weight on my neck.
1:19:54
Speaker 3: I do that every day. And then I also have
1:19:56
Speaker 3: this thing called a Dex three. It's a Dex two
1:19:59
Speaker 3: or DEXs three. You hang forward. It's like Teeter makes it,
1:20:04
Speaker 3: you know that company that makes those decompression tables. But
1:20:06
Speaker 3: this one's even better because you just hinge from the hip,
1:20:09
Speaker 3: so you're not supporting it at all with your legs
1:20:11
Speaker 3: and it's just your back. It just goes like pop
1:20:14
Speaker 3: pop pop, Like you can feel it. I'll show it
1:20:16
Speaker 3: to you. We have one out here. We have two
1:20:18
Speaker 3: of them out here, actually right out yeah, in the gym.
1:20:20
Speaker 3: It's they're the shit. I have one at home. I don't.
1:20:23
Speaker 3: I will not not have one. I have to have one.
1:20:26
Speaker 3: It's so good for just decompressing your back. You need
1:20:29
Speaker 3: to decompress the neck to anytime you're doing anything, if
1:20:32
Speaker 3: you're dead lifting or squad obviously you're lifting a lot
1:20:34
Speaker 3: of heavyweights. If anytime you're lifting way, you got to
1:20:37
Speaker 3: think all that all that pressure is on your back,
1:20:40
Speaker 3: all that's squashing down and you got to do something
1:20:42
Speaker 3: to stretch it out, stretch it back out. But there's
1:20:46
Speaker 3: ways to heal it now without taking away the disc.
1:20:48
Speaker 3: So the problem is every time they cut away a
1:20:50
Speaker 3: piece of your disc.
1:20:51
Speaker 2: You got less disk.
1:20:52
Speaker 3: You got less disk.
1:20:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:20:53
Speaker 3: So the good news is there's some treatments that they're
1:20:57
Speaker 3: doing now where they're actually injecting some sort of a
1:20:59
Speaker 3: high I drove jack this yeah, into the disc itself.
1:21:03
Speaker 3: So I asked Brigham from Ways to Well about that,
1:21:06
Speaker 3: and they're looking into it and they're trying to Apparently
1:21:08
Speaker 3: this is not being done widely yet. This is like
1:21:12
Speaker 3: this's just experimental, but they think they're going to be
1:21:16
Speaker 3: able to do that. There's also some places like CPI
1:21:20
Speaker 3: Cellular Performance Institute down at Tijuana, they've successfully been injecting
1:21:24
Speaker 3: stem cells into people's discs and it causes a disc
1:21:28
Speaker 3: to regenerate tissue and get thicker and healthier.
1:21:32
Speaker 2: Really.
1:21:32
Speaker 3: Yeah. Shane Dorian, my friend, he's a pro surfer and
1:21:36
Speaker 3: a big wave surfer and bowhunter. He went down there
1:21:39
Speaker 3: and he said it was remarkable. He said, within a
1:21:41
Speaker 3: couple of months, like a thirty to forty percent increase
1:21:44
Speaker 3: in range of motion, decrease in pain. Yeah, you could
1:21:46
Speaker 3: feel it. It's kind of an annoying process because once
1:21:49
Speaker 3: you do it, you can't really do shit for like
1:21:52
Speaker 3: six weeks, Like once you I think it's six weeks.
1:21:54
Speaker 2: Well that's what's same with the surgery. You're not doing
1:21:56
Speaker 2: shit for six weeks after that.
1:21:57
Speaker 3: But you can't lift weights. You could walk walk, you know.
1:22:01
Speaker 3: It's it's the whole thing is like let everything take like,
1:22:04
Speaker 3: let it take, let it heat up, don't do anything stupid,
1:22:07
Speaker 3: don't re injure it, don't aggravate it, like give it
1:22:10
Speaker 3: a chance to actually do its magic.
1:22:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll look into that for sure.
1:22:15
Speaker 3: But any neck injury or back injury, there's such a motherfucker.
1:22:19
Speaker 3: Anytime you back goes out, like everything you do is
1:22:22
Speaker 3: like ah, it's so hard to do anything. It's like
1:22:25
Speaker 3: you realize, like how nice it is to be healthy
1:22:28
Speaker 3: when you know whenever you get hurt.
1:22:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, back pain. That's that's what killed my stepfather.
1:22:33
Speaker 3: Back pain. They just get on pills.
1:22:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:22:36
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I have a friend in the family that
1:22:39
Speaker 3: did that.
1:22:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in I remember one time we were
1:22:41
Speaker 2: fishing up in Wyoming and and he just was like,
1:22:45
Speaker 2: I can't do it backwards too bad, And he went
1:22:48
Speaker 2: in and had a surgery and that made it worse,
1:22:50
Speaker 2: which is yeah, which is a real real risk when
1:22:55
Speaker 2: you start messing around with the spine, right and so
1:23:00
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and then it was you know, those are
1:23:03
Speaker 2: serious pain. Now we're talking oxy Yeah, now you're in
1:23:06
Speaker 2: just now you're on the clock.
1:23:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can only do that ship for so long.
1:23:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're on o' clock.
1:23:12
Speaker 3: Oxies are fucking terrifying. They're so terrifying, so terrifying how
1:23:18
Speaker 3: readily they were handing them out too forever.
1:23:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:23:21
Speaker 3: Did you ever see Painkiller, that the Peterberg thing that
1:23:24
Speaker 3: he did for Netflix?
1:23:25
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
1:23:26
Speaker 3: Fucking great man. So Matthew Broderick plays such a great creep. Oh,
1:23:31
Speaker 3: he played the Sackler brother, the sackler. Yeah, the head
1:23:34
Speaker 3: of the family that started this whole opiate problem that
1:23:37
Speaker 3: we have in this country. It's fucking terrifying because it's
1:23:40
Speaker 3: all real, and those people never went to jail. Who
1:23:44
Speaker 3: knows how many people are dead because of them?
1:23:46
Speaker 2: Yeah?
1:23:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, they generated fucking billions and billions of dollars, killed
1:23:51
Speaker 3: a bunch of people, ruined countless lives. How many lives
1:23:55
Speaker 3: people that were connected. Your dad gets hooked on that shit,
1:23:58
Speaker 3: it ruins your relationship with your your family. You you
1:24:01
Speaker 3: wind up being all fucked up because you grew up
1:24:03
Speaker 3: with a dad who was trying out on pills.
1:24:05
Speaker 2: No generation yeah, generational damage.
1:24:08
Speaker 3: Oh god. Yeah.
1:24:09
Speaker 2: And these guys put their feet up.
1:24:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, they go to a fucking nice country club and
1:24:14
Speaker 3: have the lobster cocksuckers. There's so many of them in
1:24:17
Speaker 3: this world. There's like that's genuinely evil. Yes, there's real demons.
1:24:23
Speaker 3: That's a real demon. Like people want to think demons
1:24:25
Speaker 3: live in Hell, and you know that's that's kind of
1:24:28
Speaker 3: maybe may or may not be real. Well, I know
1:24:30
Speaker 3: they're on Earth. There's demons. Yeah, and they justify it.
1:24:34
Speaker 3: They figure out a way to justify it and they're
1:24:36
Speaker 3: around a bunch of other people justify it too, and
1:24:38
Speaker 3: they can just immediately dismiss any pain or suffering because
1:24:42
Speaker 3: they got a huge amount of profit from it.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, those are the fuckers.
1:24:51
Speaker 3: Those are the fuckers. Yeah, they're out there, and.
1:24:53
Speaker 2: It doesn't take many of them to create like real carnage.
1:24:57
Speaker 2: I mean, think about that. Think about the opiate in
1:25:00
Speaker 2: this and it's still going. It was the gateway to fentanyl,
1:25:03
Speaker 2: right if you think about.
1:25:05
Speaker 3: It, Yeah, it was the gateway to fentanyl, and it was.
1:25:09
Speaker 3: It was also it's like they were doing those pain
1:25:12
Speaker 3: management centers down in Florida where they just all they
1:25:16
Speaker 3: prescribed is pills. So you would go and like I'm
1:25:18
Speaker 3: in pain. They were like, oh, Taylor, We've got the solution.
1:25:22
Speaker 3: It's right next door. And you go right next door
1:25:24
Speaker 3: to their pharmacy and all their pharmacy has like they
1:25:26
Speaker 3: don't have ben gay over there, they.
1:25:28
Speaker 2: Have toothbrushes oxy.
1:25:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, got o, this is the solution.
1:25:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, fucked yep, yep. That's the real drug trade.
1:25:38
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah right, yeah, I mean the cartel is
1:25:42
Speaker 3: basically getting the scraps. They're making trillions of dollars off scraps.
1:25:46
Speaker 2: Well, think about this. Did you even know what fentanyl
1:25:49
Speaker 2: was fifteen years ago? I never heard of it.
1:25:51
Speaker 3: No, I don't even remember when we first heard about it.
1:25:54
Speaker 3: But when we first heard about it on a podcast,
1:25:56
Speaker 3: we were talking about it and we found the amount
1:25:58
Speaker 3: that's lethal and they showed it to a penny and
1:26:01
Speaker 3: they're like, what that can kill you? And people are
1:26:05
Speaker 3: taking that and they're mixing that in cocaine.
1:26:08
Speaker 2: Holy fuck, and they are bent over zombies on the
1:26:11
Speaker 2: side of the road.
1:26:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, Philadelphia's bad too. There's a bunch of cities that
1:26:16
Speaker 3: are just real bad with it. And it doesn't have
1:26:19
Speaker 3: to be that way. And what's interesting is this, I
1:26:23
Speaker 3: begain initiative that Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard are pushing
1:26:26
Speaker 3: in Texas and that I went to the White House
1:26:29
Speaker 3: to get Trump to be involved in. And they're trying
1:26:32
Speaker 3: to make this so that it's you have a right
1:26:35
Speaker 3: to use or write. I think they call it right
1:26:37
Speaker 3: to use, a right to try for people that are addicted,
1:26:40
Speaker 3: and they're trying to make it more readily available and
1:26:42
Speaker 3: accessible to veterans. That's the thing that could help all
1:26:45
Speaker 3: these people.
1:26:45
Speaker 2: What is it now?
1:26:46
Speaker 3: I again, do you don't know what that is. I
1:26:48
Speaker 3: be again is a It comes from the Aboga tree
1:26:53
Speaker 3: in Africa, and it is this very potent psychedelic that
1:26:57
Speaker 3: has no recreational use at all. It's not fun. Nobody
1:27:01
Speaker 3: likes it. It's not like a trip. You see zombies
1:27:03
Speaker 3: and fucking hang out with the aliens. Uh huh. You
1:27:06
Speaker 3: go into this very dark experience for like twenty four
1:27:10
Speaker 3: hours where it like replays your life to you in
1:27:13
Speaker 3: a very uncomfortable way, and also somehow or another rewires
1:27:18
Speaker 3: addiction in your brain. And for a large percentage of people,
1:27:21
Speaker 3: just one dose is good enough to get them off
1:27:24
Speaker 3: of everything, whatever they're on, whether it's alcohol, gambling, coke,
1:27:27
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck it is. But for two doses, when
1:27:30
Speaker 3: they do it twice, it's significantly better. And it doesn't
1:27:34
Speaker 3: just do that. Rick Perry, who was the Republican former
1:27:38
Speaker 3: governor of Texas, was staunchly anti drugs. He's said, this
1:27:42
Speaker 3: is his main focus in life now is to promote this.
1:27:45
Speaker 3: This is his goal in life because he did it
1:27:48
Speaker 3: and he had an incredible reaction to it, and he
1:27:51
Speaker 3: knows so many veterans who have done it. It's incredible
1:27:54
Speaker 3: for PTSD, somehow or another it has neuroregenerative properties. Where
1:27:59
Speaker 3: he went there and they said he went to his
1:28:01
Speaker 3: doctor before, and you know, doctor did a whole scan
1:28:03
Speaker 3: of his body and he said, look, you've got a
1:28:05
Speaker 3: certain amount of age related brain atrophy. It's like, it's fine,
1:28:08
Speaker 3: but you know it's normal that you're seventy three years
1:28:10
Speaker 3: old or seventy four years old. So he goes and
1:28:13
Speaker 3: does the ibagain, seize his doctor a short time afterwards,
1:28:18
Speaker 3: and the doctor says, it's twenty five percent less atrophy
1:28:22
Speaker 3: than when you got the last scan, and he explains
1:28:25
Speaker 3: to him the whole ibogain thing. He goes back six
1:28:28
Speaker 3: months later, it's all gone. He has no brain atrophy anymore,
1:28:34
Speaker 3: which is bananas. So it's regenerating brain tissue. It's making
1:28:40
Speaker 3: his brain work better, and it's just.
1:28:44
Speaker 2: Well, pharmaceutical company is heart kind of let that shit out.
1:28:47
Speaker 3: Well, they didn't like it. They didn't like that. I
1:28:50
Speaker 3: bypassed them and went straight to Trump and told them
1:28:51
Speaker 3: about that. But Trump was very open to it. He said,
1:28:54
Speaker 3: what are you looking for? You're looking for FDA approval, Like,
1:28:56
Speaker 3: let's do it. Like that's literally what he said. And
1:28:58
Speaker 3: then a week later we were at the White House
1:29:00
Speaker 3: and he was signing it. So it's incredible. But if
1:29:04
Speaker 3: so many veterans have had to go over to mostly Mexico,
1:29:09
Speaker 3: but Costa Rica. There's a bunch of different places that
1:29:11
Speaker 3: they go where they can have these Ibi game retreats,
1:29:14
Speaker 3: and these guys have had incredible results. Marcus Latrell he
1:29:19
Speaker 3: had an incredible result from it. He had a real
1:29:21
Speaker 3: problem drinking. You know, obviously he's the guy that the
1:29:24
Speaker 3: Lone Survivor the movies based on his experiences over in Afghanistan.
1:29:29
Speaker 3: So this guy, you know, he's he's done it, he's
1:29:32
Speaker 3: gotten over it. Because of that, There's a long Sean Ryan,
1:29:37
Speaker 3: long list of guys who have had this experience and
1:29:40
Speaker 3: it completely changed them. Dakota Meyer did it. So many
1:29:43
Speaker 3: of these guys did it. And because of their stories,
1:29:47
Speaker 3: because all these veterans, then it like kind of opened
1:29:50
Speaker 3: up the idea to a lot more right wing people
1:29:53
Speaker 3: that would maybe be like more hesitant to accept something
1:29:55
Speaker 3: like this. Then on top of it, no recreational use,
1:29:58
Speaker 3: Like no one's like, boy, can't to do that again.
1:30:01
Speaker 3: Everybody's like, holy shit, this sucked. That diarrhea I threw up.
1:30:04
Speaker 3: I felt I was horrifying for fucking twelve hours. It
1:30:08
Speaker 3: apparently just takes you through every aspect of your life,
1:30:11
Speaker 3: like review like a movie, all the times you've ever
1:30:13
Speaker 3: hurt people. You see it from their perspective, Like, yeah,
1:30:17
Speaker 3: it's like very it's a very dark experience for a
1:30:19
Speaker 3: lot of people, especially a lot of people that have
1:30:21
Speaker 3: fucked up a lot of their life. You know.
1:30:24
Speaker 2: Wow.
1:30:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if those people had access to abagaine, all
1:30:28
Speaker 3: these homeless people, then you see strung out. If instead
1:30:31
Speaker 3: of just giving them needles in an iPhone and like
1:30:34
Speaker 3: profiting off of it, if somehow or another, these assholes
1:30:38
Speaker 3: can figure out a way to profit off of these
1:30:40
Speaker 3: centers where we could bring people in and give them
1:30:43
Speaker 3: ibigame retreats, maybe that would be a nice little fucking
1:30:46
Speaker 3: exit strategy for all these grifters that have been profiting
1:30:49
Speaker 3: off of the homeless industrial complex for so long.
1:30:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know, they're not trying to solve problems.
1:30:55
Speaker 3: No, No, they're trying to make money. That's what I
1:30:57
Speaker 3: was saying earlier when we were talking about charities. That's
1:30:59
Speaker 3: the sadust thing that I have come to the realization
1:31:03
Speaker 3: that most nonprofits are fucking scams, Like most of them,
1:31:08
Speaker 3: most of them. And this guy was like reading off,
1:31:11
Speaker 3: like the average amount that these people that are in
1:31:14
Speaker 3: charge of the homeless program in La are making. It's
1:31:17
Speaker 3: an extraordinary amount of money. It's a great living. They're
1:31:20
Speaker 3: not doing it because it's like some sort of a
1:31:23
Speaker 3: very charitable thing that they really want to save the
1:31:26
Speaker 3: world and help people. They're making tons of money.
1:31:30
Speaker 2: They're for their performative entrepreneurs. If you think about it,
1:31:36
Speaker 2: come up with the problem, then go pitch some version
1:31:40
Speaker 2: of Careen solution to a government and take the fucking money,
1:31:46
Speaker 2: and never solve the problem, because as soon as you
1:31:48
Speaker 2: solve the problem, and if you do somehow accidentally solve it,
1:31:50
Speaker 2: then go find another one.
1:31:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's one of the reasons why
1:31:57
Speaker 3: shows like Yellowstone in particular, show like people that are
1:32:01
Speaker 3: proud to work hard and really get like deep satisfaction
1:32:05
Speaker 3: out of that life. And there's something about that that
1:32:09
Speaker 3: really like it resonates with people, like there's a better
1:32:12
Speaker 3: way than just bullshitting people. There's a better way than
1:32:16
Speaker 3: fraud and nonsense and all this political horseshit that's pumped
1:32:21
Speaker 3: down your throat every day. No, how about a fucking
1:32:24
Speaker 3: just a sleeping bag and the stars. How about that
1:32:28
Speaker 3: just lying there with your horse tied to a tree.
1:32:30
Speaker 3: Isn't that really what everybody wants? Isn't doesn't really everyone
1:32:33
Speaker 3: to cook their dinner over a fire and laugh with
1:32:35
Speaker 3: all their friends because that's what they really want. That's
1:32:38
Speaker 3: that's just really something good, something real, something that's like
1:32:43
Speaker 3: there's it's not that simple because it's hard to do
1:32:46
Speaker 3: all that shit, but there's something about it that's pure.
1:32:50
Speaker 3: It's pure. There's no answer.
1:32:51
Speaker 2: But you spend a lot of time outside right, and
1:32:55
Speaker 2: and the entire things that endeavor. Right, if you go
1:32:58
Speaker 2: on you go bow hunting, you know, you're going to practice,
1:33:02
Speaker 2: prepare before you go. Then you're going to hike your
1:33:04
Speaker 2: s in somewhere, you have to set up a camp,
1:33:08
Speaker 2: and all of these are tasks before you've even gone
1:33:11
Speaker 2: to do the thing you went there to do, which
1:33:12
Speaker 2: is going to be another task. But the completion of
1:33:15
Speaker 2: them is the reward. Yeah, and the fact that you're
1:33:17
Speaker 2: doing it yourself. Everything done yourself. I think that's and
1:33:21
Speaker 2: that's why people are so attracted to the life. That's
1:33:23
Speaker 2: where I've got you know, third generation cowboys that went
1:33:27
Speaker 2: and got a degree in ranch management to come back
1:33:29
Speaker 2: and make, you know, three thousand dollars a month and
1:33:32
Speaker 2: couldn't be happier.
1:33:34
Speaker 3: It's wild, isn't it. It's really wild when you think
1:33:36
Speaker 3: about it. It's wild what people actually gravitate towards because
1:33:41
Speaker 3: they say that. Have you ever seen that Werner Herzog
1:33:43
Speaker 3: documentary Happy People? No, it's called Happy People Life in
1:33:48
Speaker 3: the Taiga, and it's all about these trappers that live
1:33:51
Speaker 3: on the Tiger River in Siberia. And all these people
1:33:56
Speaker 3: do is trap and hunt and fish. They don't have
1:34:00
Speaker 3: any other way to make a living. That's all they do.
1:34:02
Speaker 3: And they're so fucking happy. And they're all laughing together
1:34:06
Speaker 3: and drinking together and hanging out with their dogs. And
1:34:08
Speaker 3: their dogs are sled dogs and so they're they're on
1:34:11
Speaker 3: snowmobiles and the dogs are chasing behind them and the
1:34:13
Speaker 3: dogs hunt with them. And these fucking people have like
1:34:16
Speaker 3: zero mental illness. And when they're talking to them, they're
1:34:20
Speaker 3: talking in Russian, so it's all translated, but what they're
1:34:22
Speaker 3: talking about, like the way they talk, it's like that
1:34:25
Speaker 3: this is how you're supposed to live, this is real life.
1:34:29
Speaker 3: And they're all happy.
1:34:31
Speaker 2: There's a guy. I'm gonna get his name wrong. It's
1:34:35
Speaker 2: like Premature something like that. Uh. And he in the sixties,
1:34:42
Speaker 2: Dick Premikan, that's it. Yeah.
1:34:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy who lived in Alaska.
1:34:46
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, went up said bucket. Yeah, went up into
1:34:51
Speaker 2: the way into the wild and built by hand a
1:34:55
Speaker 2: cabin and lived there and and documented it. Brought out
1:34:58
Speaker 2: a little super break camera or whatever film the whole thing. Yeah,
1:35:01
Speaker 2: and filmed himself. I mean he he lived for thirty
1:35:05
Speaker 2: five years. He was eighty something years old when he
1:35:07
Speaker 2: finally was too old to get through another winter when
1:35:10
Speaker 2: he came down and he just built this cabin and
1:35:12
Speaker 2: just lived on, fished, grew potatoes, had to.
1:35:17
Speaker 3: Yes, Brennikey, Prnikey, that's how I say his name. Uh,
1:35:22
Speaker 3: p r O.
1:35:23
Speaker 2: If you haven't, if you haven't watched that documentary, it
1:35:26
Speaker 2: is fascinating.
1:35:27
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Yeah, look at the different what is it? Oh?
1:35:33
Speaker 3: But why this shows twenty twenty three, this guy when
1:35:40
Speaker 3: he documented all of it. You know, it's so attractive.
1:35:44
Speaker 3: There's something about the way he's living and he's by himself,
1:35:47
Speaker 3: which is also wild, Like how do you not get lonely?
1:35:50
Speaker 3: There's that, I mean I'd lose my fucking marbles. I
1:35:53
Speaker 3: need people. I need to talk to somebody. I don't
1:35:55
Speaker 3: think i'd be liking that, but I don't know. But
1:35:58
Speaker 3: it's so attractive.
1:35:59
Speaker 2: But then, but the notion of that kind of self reliance.
1:36:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there's something about it that's like deeply ingrained
1:36:05
Speaker 3: in our DNA. It's not just that, it's like it's
1:36:09
Speaker 3: just a healthy interaction with the wild world. There he is.
1:36:17
Speaker 3: Look at that guy made all that shit himself. That's
1:36:21
Speaker 3: what's crazy. Yeah, the whole the whole thing. I mean,
1:36:23
Speaker 3: he made his own tools. He made it. It's really wild.
1:36:27
Speaker 3: I think he was. Wasn't he a lumberman or something
1:36:30
Speaker 3: like that.
1:36:31
Speaker 2: I can't remember if he was.
1:36:32
Speaker 3: Look get fucking pretty. That is Oh my god, this
1:36:35
Speaker 3: is right in front of his house. You just build
1:36:38
Speaker 3: a house out there. Alaska is amazing, man. I mean,
1:36:42
Speaker 3: the winners can suck a dick, but the just the
1:36:46
Speaker 3: actual being there in the place and the people are
1:36:50
Speaker 3: they're clearly like extraordinary people, like when you go just
1:36:55
Speaker 3: even hanging out in a bar and anchorage, like you
1:36:57
Speaker 3: guys are different. They're like more reliable, you know, no
1:37:02
Speaker 3: matter where, sturdier people.
1:37:03
Speaker 2: No matter where you live in Alaska, you're gonna have
1:37:05
Speaker 2: to be tough.
1:37:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be. And they were laughing about
1:37:09
Speaker 3: some guy who got stomped to death by a moose
1:37:11
Speaker 3: because he was throwing snowballs out it in town. Like okay,
1:37:14
Speaker 3: Like that's something you guys have to think about. You
1:37:16
Speaker 3: might get stomped to death in front of the ATM.
1:37:19
Speaker 2: Machine or maybe maybe don't throw a fucking snowball at
1:37:21
Speaker 2: one thousand pound animal.
1:37:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can catch a cow with their calves
1:37:27
Speaker 3: and she'll stomp.
1:37:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:37:28
Speaker 3: What So it's a book. Prenicky says he turned his
1:37:33
Speaker 3: back on a tedious, on tedious, fifty hour work weeks
1:37:36
Speaker 3: and moved to Alaska to do a thing to completion.
1:37:40
Speaker 3: He built the cabin when he was fifty one and
1:37:42
Speaker 3: lived there for more than thirty years. Wow. Wow, where's
1:37:48
Speaker 3: that area the Twin Lakes in Lake Clark National Park?
1:37:51
Speaker 2: I don't know.
1:37:54
Speaker 3: There's another guy that lives up there, that lives near
1:37:57
Speaker 3: the Arctic Circle. Guide to Travel did a piece on
1:38:02
Speaker 3: him years ago. It's the same kind of deal. He
1:38:04
Speaker 3: lives in a cabin and he's been up in that
1:38:07
Speaker 3: cabin since the nineteen seventies. He didn't. He never saw
1:38:10
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. He saw a photograph of it years later.
1:38:13
Speaker 3: He's just been up there in the woods. All he
1:38:16
Speaker 3: does is he hunts caribou and he has them all
1:38:19
Speaker 3: like hanging up like frozen because it's frozen outside, like
1:38:23
Speaker 3: that's his outside, is his cooler. And while they're there,
1:38:26
Speaker 3: Grizzly tries to steal his stash and he has to
1:38:28
Speaker 3: shoot the grizzly. It's like, it's crazy.
1:38:31
Speaker 2: Really, what's that called.
1:38:32
Speaker 3: It's called Vice Guy to Travel and it's heind Mo's
1:38:36
Speaker 3: Arctic Adventure is the video series. And what's interesting, this
1:38:41
Speaker 3: is like the early days of Vice when Wes was
1:38:43
Speaker 3: really cool and they get this fucking nerd with glasses
1:38:47
Speaker 3: is probably from like Williamsburg who flies out to Alaska
1:38:50
Speaker 3: to hang out with this guy and the guy they like.
1:38:53
Speaker 3: These journalists were like hardcore, these young kids were they
1:38:57
Speaker 3: knew they were doing something kind of crazy, and they
1:39:00
Speaker 3: would go to war zones, like that's how Tim Poole
1:39:02
Speaker 3: started out. These guys would go to the fucking war
1:39:04
Speaker 3: zones and get shot out. They had bulletproof vests on
1:39:07
Speaker 3: and ship and they'd be doing investigating like real investigative reporting.
1:39:11
Speaker 3: And so this guy did just really went up there
1:39:14
Speaker 3: and hung out with this dude in Alaska for like
1:39:17
Speaker 3: a week and was talking to him. It's like, what's
1:39:20
Speaker 3: what's so great about this? And he's a very intelligent guy.
1:39:23
Speaker 3: He's not the guy who's this. This guy hein mo.
1:39:27
Speaker 3: See if you could find that, do you find it?
1:39:28
Speaker 4: I mean they're still posting stuff. There's Alaska Alaskan excuse
1:39:34
Speaker 4: me last Alaskans. Oh, he's still posting stuff that they
1:39:37
Speaker 4: have a YouTube channel. Oh wow, Himo and Edna.
1:39:40
Speaker 3: Oh wow, he looks older.
1:39:42
Speaker 4: Now they're talking about podcasts here a second ago.
1:39:45
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, they're talking about podcasts our podcast. Oh, because
1:39:49
Speaker 3: we talked about him as.
1:39:53
Speaker 4: Your picture popped up, that's it.
1:39:54
Speaker 3: That's me talking about him. Yeah. See if you could
1:39:57
Speaker 3: find the vice guy to travel, because that's where I
1:40:00
Speaker 3: found out about him. So this guy's he's like one
1:40:03
Speaker 3: of the last people that's allowed to live up there.
1:40:06
Speaker 3: He has like a notice posted on his his cabin
1:40:11
Speaker 3: because he's grandfathered in. I don't think you could build
1:40:13
Speaker 3: a cabin up there anymore. Yeah, that's not this is
1:40:19
Speaker 3: afterwards fifteen years ago, might be it, but I think
1:40:24
Speaker 3: it's called Heinmoh's Arctic Adventure. Yeah, Himo coreth Himo's Arctic
1:40:32
Speaker 3: refuge that's the article.
1:40:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Vice website isn't really one of
1:40:37
Speaker 4: the most well kept things on the internet these days.
1:40:47
Speaker 3: Put in Arctic Adventure.
1:40:48
Speaker 4: I'm guessing that the article was the first thing, and
1:40:51
Speaker 4: then they went and followed up to make a video
1:40:52
Speaker 4: and that's what this is.
1:40:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if Yeah, maybe that's it.
1:40:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, see it's it's presents Heimo's Arctic Refugee.
1:40:59
Speaker 3: Right, that's probably it.
1:41:00
Speaker 4: It could have just changed the name on YouTube.
1:41:02
Speaker 3: I think they did, or maybe I remember it wrong.
1:41:05
Speaker 3: Either way, this guy's premise is that this is really
1:41:09
Speaker 3: how you should live. This is how people. Yeah, that's
1:41:12
Speaker 3: the guy. So he's looking nerdy, cat is hanging out.
1:41:18
Speaker 3: He looks so out of place. Yep, this is it.
1:41:21
Speaker 3: And he's got this caribou that he shot and they're
1:41:25
Speaker 3: hanging frozen and he just saws off a piece and
1:41:28
Speaker 3: throws the frozen steaks onto the grill, cooks it over wood.
1:41:33
Speaker 3: And this is how this guy lives. And that's all
1:41:34
Speaker 3: he eats. He's just eating caribou and salmon and he
1:41:39
Speaker 3: lives up there all year round, man, and it's uh,
1:41:46
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just very happy. And this is the
1:41:49
Speaker 3: weird part about it, is how happy people who live
1:41:52
Speaker 3: like this are. So I think that's in our brain.
1:41:56
Speaker 3: That's how we're designed to exist with nature, designed to
1:42:01
Speaker 3: be hunter gatherers. You know, we still have the same
1:42:04
Speaker 3: DNA as people that lived tens of thousands of years ago.
1:42:07
Speaker 2: And you know, cities started what maybe ten thousand years
1:42:11
Speaker 2: ago in some form.
1:42:12
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, depending on who you ask, you know, I
1:42:15
Speaker 3: think we're a little wrong with that too. I think
1:42:19
Speaker 3: they're starting to change their perspective of when actual civilization
1:42:24
Speaker 3: emerged because of stuff like called Beckley, Teppee and Turkey.
1:42:29
Speaker 3: They found these immense structures that are eleven eight hundred
1:42:31
Speaker 3: years old that were buried that this guy who was like,
1:42:34
Speaker 3: I think it was a sheep herder in the nineties
1:42:36
Speaker 3: found it. Yeah, he found like a stone that was
1:42:38
Speaker 3: like sticking out of the ground, weird, and he kicked
1:42:41
Speaker 3: it with his boots, like knocking some dirt off, And
1:42:43
Speaker 3: then he brought in some archaeologists and then they discovered
1:42:45
Speaker 3: these massive complex these like huge circles of giant stone
1:42:51
Speaker 3: columns that three d animals carved in them, and they
1:42:54
Speaker 3: carbon dated the ground and it was intentionally covered up
1:42:57
Speaker 3: somewhere around eleven thousand plus years ago. So they're like, yeah,
1:43:00
Speaker 3: like what the fuck is this? Like they didn't even
1:43:03
Speaker 3: know like what the civilization was, Like, why did they
1:43:06
Speaker 3: build this? What's the purpose of it? There's lots a
1:43:10
Speaker 3: lot of people that debate whether or not what's depicting
1:43:12
Speaker 3: on it is a calendar? Is it a marking of
1:43:14
Speaker 3: an event? Does it show the flood?
1:43:16
Speaker 2: Like?
1:43:17
Speaker 3: What is this? It's weird stuff, man, like really weird stuff,
1:43:21
Speaker 3: and I think there's more of that than you'd like
1:43:24
Speaker 3: to That makes people comfortable, and archaeologists are very hesitant
1:43:27
Speaker 3: to accept it.
1:43:28
Speaker 2: Well that whole, that whole deal, right, like your relevance
1:43:31
Speaker 2: being upon you've discovered this thing when they when they
1:43:36
Speaker 2: found the Clovis point, So then we're dating everything off
1:43:40
Speaker 2: of that, and anyone finding anything else is going to
1:43:43
Speaker 2: render that guy's discovery less important. And you know, there's
1:43:48
Speaker 2: at one point we thought there was this logical evolution
1:43:50
Speaker 2: of man from Homo erectus into Homo sapien, and now
1:43:53
Speaker 2: we know that there were at least four maybe five
1:43:57
Speaker 2: species of humanoid living at the same time. Mm hmm,
1:44:01
Speaker 2: it's at least five.
1:44:03
Speaker 3: Not only that, it's like really difficult to make a fossil.
1:44:07
Speaker 3: Most people are gonna die and their bones are going
1:44:08
Speaker 3: to be gone within one hundred years.
1:44:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just what we've been able to find. And
1:44:13
Speaker 2: we're basing an entire science upon incredibly incomplete discoveries.
1:44:18
Speaker 3: We're basing entire science on a very limited number that
1:44:23
Speaker 3: can even possibly exist. Like I think if you take
1:44:27
Speaker 3: into account how many dinosaur bones they found, and then
1:44:31
Speaker 3: how many dinosaurs existed, and for how many hundreds of
1:44:35
Speaker 3: millions of years dinosaurs existed, and you realize, like, oh,
1:44:40
Speaker 3: like most shit doesn't make a fossil. So we don't
1:44:42
Speaker 3: even know how many different dinosaurs that we've I mean,
1:44:45
Speaker 3: they just discovered a new one recently. We don't even
1:44:47
Speaker 3: know how many existed that we never found fossilized.
1:44:51
Speaker 2: If they didn't run through some lava pit or tarpit
1:44:53
Speaker 2: or something, how would you know.
1:44:54
Speaker 3: In every so often, some new form of ancient human
1:44:59
Speaker 3: pops up, like, oh, well, what's this one? What the
1:45:02
Speaker 3: fuck is this one? There's weird ones. They're all over
1:45:05
Speaker 3: the place. There's a fucking ton of them. Did Dennis Ovens?
1:45:08
Speaker 3: There's the one in uh. I believe it was in China.
1:45:12
Speaker 3: The big headed people, they're quite a bit larger.
1:45:14
Speaker 4: These are in Texas.
1:45:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dinosaur Valley State Park. Wow, it's Glenn Rose, Texas.
1:45:20
Speaker 3: That's crazy. How crazy is that? Look at those footprints.
1:45:24
Speaker 3: That's so nuts. That is so nuts. The dinosaur left
1:45:30
Speaker 3: those how long ago? One hundred and thirteen million year
1:45:33
Speaker 3: old dinosaur tracks? What the fuck? Man? And you know,
1:45:42
Speaker 3: we're just.
1:45:42
Speaker 2: Like, so, what is he? What that thing? And how
1:45:45
Speaker 2: much did it fucking way to imprint into that which
1:45:48
Speaker 2: is now granite? Right, But at the time it's probably
1:45:50
Speaker 2: some mixture of mud and ash from a volcano that
1:45:54
Speaker 2: came together.
1:45:55
Speaker 3: Right, Probably some version of that, right. I wonder what
1:45:58
Speaker 3: the animal was. Do they know which a dinosaur was?
1:46:01
Speaker 4: Make sure of one year? I don't know if it's
1:46:03
Speaker 4: I just guess that's the one they assumed was there.
1:46:06
Speaker 3: Footprints as are so dope, that's so wild. I wonder
1:46:12
Speaker 3: who the first guy found that was.
1:46:14
Speaker 4: It says it was discovered after a drought, so it
1:46:16
Speaker 4: would have.
1:46:16
Speaker 3: Been Oh, that's even cooler. So it was underneath the water.
1:46:21
Speaker 3: The whole time, and then they're like, oh, the river
1:46:23
Speaker 3: dried up completely in most locations, line for more tracks
1:46:26
Speaker 3: to be uncovered here in the park. Wow, that's sick.
1:46:32
Speaker 3: That's the animal believed to be. I don't know.
1:46:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, they wouldn't know for sure.
1:46:35
Speaker 3: Belong to two types of dinos, including acro cam Kimthosaurus.
1:46:43
Speaker 4: I think. I don't think they've found any fossils or
1:46:44
Speaker 4: anything to be.
1:46:47
Speaker 3: For the record. That's even just crazier, right. All you
1:46:50
Speaker 3: find is the feet. Think about how many died there,
1:46:53
Speaker 3: Think about how many just got eaten by other animals
1:46:56
Speaker 3: and ship out. And I mean most stuff that lives.
1:47:00
Speaker 3: I mean, you know as well as anybody. You very
1:47:03
Speaker 3: rarely find skeletons in the woods.
1:47:07
Speaker 2: No, the mice are gonna eat them.
1:47:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, something's gonna eat most of what you find in
1:47:11
Speaker 3: the woods. Within a couple of years, everything's gone. But
1:47:14
Speaker 3: like was the last time, if you're a hunter, good
1:47:17
Speaker 3: luck finding a dead mountain lion. They must die, They
1:47:21
Speaker 3: must die. I don't know anybody that's found a dead one.
1:47:23
Speaker 2: I've never found one. I've never seen one.
1:47:25
Speaker 3: Those thousands of them, they die, where are they? Fucking
1:47:28
Speaker 3: nature takes care of everything, and that's what would happen
1:47:31
Speaker 3: to most fossils. Yeah, that's why most fossils don't happen.
1:47:34
Speaker 3: I mean when people die, they don't get fossils.
1:47:37
Speaker 4: Says a nineteen oh eight, a local schoolboy found some
1:47:40
Speaker 4: of these.
1:47:40
Speaker 3: Wow, look at the size of those next to that. Dude,
1:47:43
Speaker 3: that's crazy.
1:47:44
Speaker 4: Imagine you ran home and try to tell your parents
1:47:46
Speaker 4: found dinosaurs. They wouldn't even know dinosaurs, really worried at
1:47:48
Speaker 4: that back then? How would they have known.
1:47:50
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of people today they don't even
1:47:52
Speaker 5: think dinosaurs are real, which is hilarious.
1:47:55
Speaker 3: There's so many, so many knuckleheads online. But I mean,
1:47:59
Speaker 3: we don't we have a very limited amount of information
1:48:03
Speaker 3: that we're basing the entire history of Earth planet.
1:48:06
Speaker 4: What did you describe that as in nineteen ten? Three
1:48:10
Speaker 4: toad giant lizard?
1:48:14
Speaker 3: I don't even know. If you don't, how would you
1:48:16
Speaker 3: even be sure that that was a footprint?
1:48:17
Speaker 4: Come look at this, and then you gotta go tell
1:48:19
Speaker 4: everybody else into the town to come follow you out
1:48:21
Speaker 4: there to find it?
1:48:22
Speaker 3: Right in nineteen ten? Did they even have drawings of dinosaurs?
1:48:25
Speaker 2: Well? Would I wouldn't think they would have found some
1:48:27
Speaker 2: of the bones.
1:48:28
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I think we figured that out right. I
1:48:31
Speaker 3: think we talked about that, didn't they first start finding
1:48:33
Speaker 3: in the eighteen hundreds. Isn't that what it was? But yeah,
1:48:38
Speaker 3: it's not. I mean, if you think about how many
1:48:39
Speaker 3: different things died and just were absorbed by the Earth
1:48:42
Speaker 3: just is eaten, shit out, swallowed up, just destroyed by
1:48:47
Speaker 3: time and erosion and never became fossils. We're basing the
1:48:52
Speaker 3: entire history of the planet on a limited amount of information,
1:48:55
Speaker 3: and that information it never gets younger, it always gets
1:48:59
Speaker 3: older the more stuff they found, Like they found a
1:49:02
Speaker 3: modern version of human beings that pushes the timeline of
1:49:07
Speaker 3: humans back another three or four hundred thousand years, and
1:49:11
Speaker 3: that keeps happening.
1:49:12
Speaker 2: Well, they thought that people cross the bearing Land Bridge
1:49:17
Speaker 2: fourteen thousand years ago, and now they've pushed that back
1:49:20
Speaker 2: ten thousand years.
1:49:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, they found those footprints in White Sands, New Mexico,
1:49:24
Speaker 3: and those are twenty two thousand years old.
1:49:26
Speaker 4: It took a giant flood to come wash away layers
1:49:29
Speaker 4: of sediment. Oh feel, that's why some money around it,
1:49:34
Speaker 4: I guess.
1:49:34
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:49:35
Speaker 4: And then they started digging.
1:49:37
Speaker 3: That's fucking cool. That is so cool. And this is
1:49:43
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty two they did that. No, no, no,
1:49:45
Speaker 3: nineteen oh eight nine o eight. The pictures are from
1:49:47
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty two. Or oh, okay, they must have just kept.
1:49:50
Speaker 4: Maybe it flooded again fifty years later. Hmmm, floods do
1:49:53
Speaker 4: happen here fast?
1:49:54
Speaker 3: When did they first figure out dinosaurs? Like, what was
1:49:57
Speaker 3: the first year a dinosaur bone was discovered on your ranch?
1:50:04
Speaker 3: Do you find like a lot of like arrowheads and
1:50:07
Speaker 3: like Native American stuff?
1:50:09
Speaker 2: The one I grew up on everywhere. Yeah, every time
1:50:12
Speaker 2: it had rain, you'd find these points Dutch.
1:50:15
Speaker 3: It enthralls me. It's so fascinating you pick up some
1:50:20
Speaker 3: arrow I found one in Nevada while I was on
1:50:22
Speaker 3: a mule deer hunt. I was in the high desert.
1:50:24
Speaker 3: We found this little tiny thing. I looked down. I go,
1:50:27
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's a fucking arrowhead. And you just
1:50:29
Speaker 3: think some dude who knows how many hundreds of years
1:50:33
Speaker 3: ago shot thousands.
1:50:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, we found a bunch and my mother took them
1:50:39
Speaker 2: to Fort Worth to the museum, and they dated them
1:50:41
Speaker 2: and some of them and they could look at them
1:50:43
Speaker 2: and they'd know various styles, right, and they go, oh
1:50:46
Speaker 2: that this was made by This is twenty two hundred
1:50:48
Speaker 2: years old. It's sure thousand years old. This is when
1:50:51
Speaker 2: they started doing this.
1:50:52
Speaker 3: We have one here. I got one here somewhere. It's
1:50:55
Speaker 3: a big one too.
1:50:58
Speaker 4: Sixteen seventy seven was when the first scientifically recorded dinosaur
1:51:02
Speaker 4: bone was described. Although it says they've been digging people
1:51:05
Speaker 4: have been digging them up for thousands.
1:51:06
Speaker 3: Of years, but they didn't know what the fuck it was.
1:51:08
Speaker 4: This one of He even thought it belonged to a
1:51:10
Speaker 4: giant human.
1:51:13
Speaker 2: And this is one famili Yeah, look at that.
1:51:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, a friend of mine got that off of his ranch.
1:51:20
Speaker 3: Remy Warrant told me that's probably one they used for
1:51:22
Speaker 3: fishing because it was so big.
1:51:24
Speaker 2: Interesting.
1:51:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought so too. I was like, that's interesting
1:51:28
Speaker 3: because I guess when you're dealing with old bows that
1:51:30
Speaker 3: didn't have a whole lot of power, they you really
1:51:33
Speaker 3: wouldn't want a big wide cut because you wouldn't get
1:51:35
Speaker 3: enough penetration to get through the rib cage unless you're
1:51:38
Speaker 3: really close a spear. No, it would be on an arrow.
1:51:42
Speaker 3: It would just be something that you shot at a
1:51:44
Speaker 3: fish because it's easier to penetrate than like say a buffalo,
1:51:48
Speaker 3: where they would use a smaller head. They're just trying
1:51:51
Speaker 3: to get penetration. Fascinating, IM just an amazing thing. You're finding,
1:51:57
Speaker 3: just this piece of ancient history where people had no internet,
1:52:01
Speaker 3: no books, no nothing, just flint napping and using tendons
1:52:07
Speaker 3: and yeah, and then trying to practice with those bows
1:52:14
Speaker 3: figure out how to do it while you're on horseback too.
1:52:19
Speaker 3: It's crazy. So where you grew up on the ranch
1:52:23
Speaker 3: you grew up, you find them all the time, all
1:52:24
Speaker 3: the time. What was the oldest shit you found? Man?
1:52:28
Speaker 2: I I can't remember, but I remember it being thousands
1:52:32
Speaker 2: of years old, a few thousand years old. But we
1:52:35
Speaker 2: had we had a like my mother had this wicker
1:52:39
Speaker 2: basket that was like this big and and it was full.
1:52:44
Speaker 3: Of arrowheads.
1:52:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, you'd find them, just toss them in there.
1:52:48
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah.
1:52:50
Speaker 3: Just makes you think, like how long did people live
1:52:53
Speaker 3: on that land? How many hundreds thousands of years do
1:52:57
Speaker 3: people live on that land?
1:52:59
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? And and or pass through or have battles
1:53:05
Speaker 2: or who knows, or or when you find him, like
1:53:09
Speaker 2: we found him, I mean every single time it rained.
1:53:13
Speaker 2: There was this stock tank behind our house and you
1:53:15
Speaker 2: maybe it's half mile up to the stock tank. We
1:53:18
Speaker 2: walked that road and you could find four or five.
1:53:21
Speaker 2: So was that a trading depot? Was that some place
1:53:24
Speaker 2: where people went to trade? And then I always think, like,
1:53:28
Speaker 2: how do you lose that? As hard as they must
1:53:33
Speaker 2: be to make, you'd think once you've shot that arrow,
1:53:35
Speaker 2: you're gonna go look for the arrow because you spend
1:53:38
Speaker 2: hours making this.
1:53:40
Speaker 3: They must have shot so many for so long. They
1:53:44
Speaker 3: might I mean, they're probably shooting him every day. They
1:53:46
Speaker 3: probably had somebody back at the camp making him every.
1:53:49
Speaker 2: There's probably some guy that that's his skill.
1:53:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:53:51
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe when people got older they couldn't couldn't hunt,
1:53:55
Speaker 2: couldn't run.
1:53:56
Speaker 3: You know, maybe they sat back and yeah, and that
1:54:00
Speaker 3: guy makes the arrows, and maybe somebody else makes the bows,
1:54:03
Speaker 3: and this guy's going out and shooting the deer and
1:54:04
Speaker 3: bringing them back. When you're doing a show like eighteen
1:54:08
Speaker 3: twenty three, how much research did you have to do
1:54:12
Speaker 3: to try to get that right? Because that was, in
1:54:14
Speaker 3: my opinion, one of the best theatrical things that I
1:54:19
Speaker 3: ever watched, movie or television show that I feel like
1:54:24
Speaker 3: nailed what it must have been like to try to
1:54:27
Speaker 3: travel across the country to be a civilized person. Living
1:54:29
Speaker 3: in the city and try to make your way across
1:54:31
Speaker 3: the country and just experience the wild shit those people saw.
1:54:35
Speaker 2: Well, there's a few things, so a lot of research.
1:54:38
Speaker 2: But interestingly I had my family had come one side
1:54:44
Speaker 2: of my family had come from Kentucky to Texas in
1:54:47
Speaker 2: the eighteen forties and whatever great great grandmother journaled, Wow,
1:54:53
Speaker 2: I had the journal.
1:54:55
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
1:54:57
Speaker 2: And then I started finding other journals there wasn't you know,
1:55:01
Speaker 2: some were published and reading about just how fucking dangerous
1:55:08
Speaker 2: it was if you think about it. Rivers were the
1:55:13
Speaker 2: most terrifying thing crossing rivers because no one swam, No
1:55:16
Speaker 2: one could swim. And most of the most of the
1:55:21
Speaker 2: people who came into either the Port of New Orleans
1:55:25
Speaker 2: or Galveston, they were European. They were German, a lot
1:55:30
Speaker 2: of Germans. There were a lot of Central Europeans that
1:55:35
Speaker 2: came and they were promised free land. Right. There would
1:55:40
Speaker 2: be travel agencies that they would arrange the entire trip
1:55:44
Speaker 2: with before they've even left Germany or Croatia or wherever
1:55:49
Speaker 2: they were, and so by the time that they landed
1:55:52
Speaker 2: in Galveston, they would meet up with their group and
1:55:56
Speaker 2: the group would you know, they have chipped in all
1:55:59
Speaker 2: this amount of money, and they've got guides and they
1:56:01
Speaker 2: would have already arranged for mules or horses and wagons,
1:56:05
Speaker 2: and off they go.
1:56:07
Speaker 3: And they had no idea knowing that a lot of
1:56:09
Speaker 3: them have.
1:56:09
Speaker 2: Never fucking ridden a horse in their life, much less
1:56:13
Speaker 2: fired a gun, much less they're in a completely foreign area,
1:56:19
Speaker 2: like they don't. And they landed in Texas, most of
1:56:22
Speaker 2: them heading to Oregon because that area was the most
1:56:27
Speaker 2: similar to where they were from in Central Europe. And
1:56:29
Speaker 2: then you know, for whatever reason, they didn't, some didn't
1:56:32
Speaker 2: get that far, some maybe never got past Waco or
1:56:34
Speaker 2: Fort Worth or wherever. And then off they went. And
1:56:41
Speaker 2: the dangers were from obviously rivers and sun exposure disease.
1:56:49
Speaker 2: Obviously there were issues with bandits and the Native American
1:56:52
Speaker 2: tribes depending on the time of year that the era.
1:56:56
Speaker 2: Right by the eighties, that was largely not an issue
1:56:59
Speaker 2: the eighteen eighties, but bandits, sure ship were a real
1:57:03
Speaker 2: issue because there's no rule of law right and we
1:57:07
Speaker 2: can look at there's plenty of bad people do an
1:57:10
Speaker 2: awful shit today and we got all sorts of laws. Now,
1:57:14
Speaker 2: imagine if those people had the wherewithal to go to
1:57:16
Speaker 2: a place to where there's.
1:57:17
Speaker 3: No laws, no law, and no enforcement, no help, no nothing,
1:57:23
Speaker 3: on your fucking own. And there was a bunch of
1:57:25
Speaker 3: people that had been living like that for decades, just
1:57:28
Speaker 3: fucking people up, waiting for you, just waiting for you,
1:57:31
Speaker 3: waiting for you. Here they come, let's get them. And
1:57:34
Speaker 3: that was what their thing was.
1:57:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, so river crossings were incredibly dangerous, and then
1:57:41
Speaker 2: trying to if you didn't have an experienced guide, you're fucked,
1:57:46
Speaker 2: truly fucked, because you could pick the wrong way and
1:57:50
Speaker 2: run out of water, go wander around in the circle.
1:57:53
Speaker 2: You get up there on the Great Plains to where
1:57:54
Speaker 2: it's flat and there's and you don't know how to
1:57:57
Speaker 2: read the sun, you don't know where you're going. People
1:58:00
Speaker 2: go out there and make giant circles.
1:58:02
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was reading something about that the other day,
1:58:05
Speaker 3: that people tend to, for whatever reason, always walk in
1:58:09
Speaker 3: a counterclockwise direction when they get lost, and that even
1:58:16
Speaker 3: if they're left footed or right handed or left handed,
1:58:19
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem to matter. Humans when they walk, if
1:58:22
Speaker 3: they get lost, like in the woods, they walk in circles,
1:58:25
Speaker 3: and they almost always walk in a counterclockwise direction. And
1:58:29
Speaker 3: so this article was explaining that if you find yourself
1:58:33
Speaker 3: lost and you think you're running into the same places,
1:58:38
Speaker 3: most likely you should veer towards the right, because you're
1:58:43
Speaker 3: most likely looping towards the left. For whatever reason, people tend.
1:58:47
Speaker 2: To do that.
1:58:48
Speaker 3: What if there's like a scientific explanation, See if this
1:58:51
Speaker 3: put that into perplexity? See why people move in a
1:58:54
Speaker 3: counterclockwise perplexity doesn't know shit, It doesn't have any woodsmanship.
1:59:00
Speaker 2: I never understood getting lost in the wilderness. I didn't
1:59:02
Speaker 2: understand it.
1:59:03
Speaker 3: Really.
1:59:03
Speaker 2: I can understand not knowing where you are, but you know,
1:59:07
Speaker 2: but I never understood getting lost.
1:59:09
Speaker 3: You well, you must have learned how to use a
1:59:11
Speaker 3: compass early.
1:59:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, or the sun yeah right, if the sun comes
1:59:16
Speaker 2: up in the morning and you're facing it right than
1:59:18
Speaker 2: behind you, as west to your left, as north to
1:59:20
Speaker 2: your right, as.
1:59:20
Speaker 3: Some people have zero experience in the woods. Though, people
1:59:25
Speaker 3: tend to loop often counterclockwise when lost because small errors
1:59:29
Speaker 3: in our internal sense of straight ahead accumulate, and humans
1:59:32
Speaker 3: also have a subtle left turn counterclockwise bias, whose exact
1:59:37
Speaker 3: cause is still unclear. Isn't that weird? Wow, that's so weird.
1:59:40
Speaker 3: In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people tend to walk
1:59:44
Speaker 3: straight without landmarks almost always end up curving into large
1:59:48
Speaker 3: loops instead of moving a straight line. People told rather
1:59:52
Speaker 3: to walk straight without landmarks. Wow, this happens because without
1:59:55
Speaker 3: internal clues, Oh, external clues like the sun, distant objects,
1:59:59
Speaker 3: or visible path, small random errors in balance and body
2:00:03
Speaker 3: feedback build up until the path bends enough to close
2:00:07
Speaker 3: into a circle. Wow. That's got to be so disheartening.
2:00:12
Speaker 3: You've been walking for days and then you pass the
2:00:14
Speaker 3: same dead tree and you're like, oh my god, we
2:00:18
Speaker 3: walked in a fucking circle. Pedestrians everywhere exhibit a counterclockwise bias.
2:00:24
Speaker 3: Wired to walk counterclockwise during COVID, Scientists studying social distancing
2:00:29
Speaker 3: noticing people seem to prefer moving counterclockwise. That's so weird.
2:00:35
Speaker 3: Tendency is fundamentally individual rather than a collective. What does
2:00:39
Speaker 3: that mean? So every individual does it, I guess, rather
2:00:44
Speaker 3: than a group of people just following the leader. Pretty wild.
2:00:49
Speaker 3: So when people get lost, but some people have just
2:00:53
Speaker 3: zero experience being in the woods at all, and they
2:00:56
Speaker 3: just don't know where to go there, where are we?
2:00:59
Speaker 3: And they just they just fucking freak out and then
2:01:02
Speaker 3: they panic because they think what's out there, Oh my god,
2:01:04
Speaker 3: I want to die. Yeah, and you realize that once
2:01:08
Speaker 3: you're out there, that nature doesn't give a fuck if
2:01:11
Speaker 3: you make it.
2:01:12
Speaker 2: No, doesn't care at all.
2:01:15
Speaker 3: It's heartless, completely oblivious to your desire to stay alive.
2:01:21
Speaker 3: It's not interested in what you want to do at all.
2:01:24
Speaker 2: Nope, Nope, not at all. It's ambivalent.
2:01:28
Speaker 3: But that's also part of the beauty of it, right. Yeah,
2:01:30
Speaker 3: when you're out there, especially if you take yourself seriously. Yeah,
2:01:35
Speaker 3: you're out there, you're like, oh, I.
2:01:36
Speaker 2: Ain't shit, it'll it'll test you.
2:01:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're writing a thing like eighteen twenty three,
2:01:44
Speaker 3: like you're doing all this research and you read the
2:01:47
Speaker 3: diaries from your you said your great grandmother, like great
2:01:51
Speaker 3: great great grandmother. Did you uh, did you ever think
2:01:55
Speaker 3: like putting some of those letters online so other people
2:01:58
Speaker 3: can read them?
2:01:59
Speaker 2: No, there's plenty of there's there's any number of published
2:02:03
Speaker 2: books of very similar journals.
2:02:05
Speaker 3: I don't, but it'd be kind of dope for people
2:02:07
Speaker 3: to read about your great great grandmother.
2:02:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing happened, right, Like we had freaking whatever weird
2:02:17
Speaker 2: ship they had for dinner that night, and you know,
2:02:19
Speaker 2: so and so was rude, and you know it was
2:02:22
Speaker 2: this and we you know, we stopped in this beautiful
2:02:24
Speaker 2: valley and it was hard to get across the river
2:02:26
Speaker 2: and I was scared, you know, but no attacks, No,
2:02:29
Speaker 2: it was pretty uneventful.
2:02:30
Speaker 3: They got lucky. It's just it's interesting just as a
2:02:33
Speaker 3: window into time.
2:02:34
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, Well what's interesting really is how well
2:02:37
Speaker 2: written the journal was, right, because everyone.
2:02:41
Speaker 3: Was very educated, was better educated, yes, yeah, yeah, and yeah,
2:02:48
Speaker 3: that's that's weird, right when you read like Civil War
2:02:51
Speaker 3: letters and you're like, why are these guys so fucking smart?
2:02:54
Speaker 2: I have letters from my grandfather who died in World
2:02:57
Speaker 2: War Two, love letters from him to his to my grandmother,
2:03:03
Speaker 2: years of them, because you know, they listed in nineteen
2:03:07
Speaker 2: forty one and then went often became a they flew
2:03:11
Speaker 2: a I guess it was the be nineteen of a
2:03:14
Speaker 2: bomber and yeah, and wrote all these letters to her. Yeah,
2:03:21
Speaker 2: and I have all those, and they're just magnificent, just
2:03:25
Speaker 2: the way that people would just be so eloquent in
2:03:31
Speaker 2: a letter to you know, your wife.
2:03:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, might beloved things like that. Yeah, it is weird,
2:03:37
Speaker 3: like the deterioration of our ability to express ourselves. The
2:03:42
Speaker 3: common person's ability to express themselves. You wouldn't have expected
2:03:47
Speaker 3: that back then. I bet if you could tell people
2:03:49
Speaker 3: about the future, go, oh, you're gonna have the answer
2:03:51
Speaker 3: to any question on your phone. You have a small
2:03:53
Speaker 3: device in your pocket. It's also acts as a flashlight.
2:03:56
Speaker 3: You're gonna be able to pick that thing up and
2:03:58
Speaker 3: ask in anything you want instantaneously. It's going to give
2:04:01
Speaker 3: you a result. But oh, people, they must be brilliant. No, no,
2:04:05
Speaker 3: they have retarded.
2:04:07
Speaker 2: Because they didn't learn anything right. Right, You can ask
2:04:10
Speaker 2: a machine. The machine's done all the learning. You just
2:04:13
Speaker 2: get an answer that you didn't earn, right, that's the
2:04:16
Speaker 2: word earn. Yeah, yeah, just like equity. The problem with
2:04:21
Speaker 2: equity is.
2:04:21
Speaker 3: You didn't earn it.
2:04:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:04:24
Speaker 3: The problem with having the same results as everybody else
2:04:28
Speaker 3: when you don't put the same effort. People in the
2:04:30
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds often spent blocks of time, typically one to
2:04:33
Speaker 3: three hours at a stretch on letter writing, and heavy
2:04:37
Speaker 3: correspondence could easily spend several hours most days. Wow. Most
2:04:42
Speaker 3: people treated correspondence as a regular, daily or weekly task,
2:04:46
Speaker 3: similar to a modern email block, excepting that it would
2:04:49
Speaker 3: be take a significant chunk of their time. Wow, I mean,
2:04:54
Speaker 3: how important was the fucking mailman.
2:04:56
Speaker 2: Back then, everything guy was everything everything.
2:05:01
Speaker 3: Some dude on a horse with a fucking bag of
2:05:03
Speaker 3: letters nuts for a quarter. I mean not much that
2:05:09
Speaker 3: they charge. A quarter was a lot of money back then.
2:05:11
Speaker 3: Probably was less than that.
2:05:12
Speaker 2: Probably half a penny or something. If they had a
2:05:15
Speaker 2: well they did have a halfpenny.
2:05:17
Speaker 3: How much do you enjoy writing that kind of a
2:05:20
Speaker 3: show versus writing a show like Lioness or like Landman,
2:05:24
Speaker 3: Like what is your Do you have a favorite or
2:05:26
Speaker 3: do you like all of them?
2:05:27
Speaker 2: No? I can't say I have a I have a
2:05:31
Speaker 2: favorite necessarily. You know the fun thing about Lioness, which
2:05:35
Speaker 2: is sort of I can't say it's ripped from the
2:05:39
Speaker 2: headlines because I don't. I've tried to be I've tried
2:05:44
Speaker 2: to guess what's going to happen politically and then fictionalize that.
2:05:49
Speaker 2: And the fact that I've managed to be right, it's
2:05:52
Speaker 2: a pretty fucking while. I thought, surely in season two
2:05:55
Speaker 2: when I when I when I said that the Cartels
2:06:00
Speaker 2: had been listed as terrorist organizations, I'm like this, this
2:06:04
Speaker 2: could be my eighteen month cancel vacation coming. And then
2:06:09
Speaker 2: it fucking happened, And then it came out, and you know,
2:06:12
Speaker 2: the show came out within weeks of that, and I looked,
2:06:15
Speaker 2: I looked.
2:06:15
Speaker 3: Really like a soothsayer.
2:06:19
Speaker 2: So that it's a lot of fun because it's so political,
2:06:21
Speaker 2: and it's not it doesn't choose a political side. It
2:06:24
Speaker 2: just looks at the trade craft of espionage and how
2:06:29
Speaker 2: it's it's intermingles with our military and it's just fascinating
2:06:34
Speaker 2: shit to me, just fascinating.
2:06:36
Speaker 3: But there's so many different things that you have to
2:06:38
Speaker 3: be aware of to write the shit that you write.
2:06:41
Speaker 3: You know, like is it Harrison Ford one nineteen twenty
2:06:44
Speaker 3: three was that one is fascinating too, because you got
2:06:47
Speaker 3: the guy who goes off to Africa and you know,
2:06:50
Speaker 3: and he comes back, and you got all these people
2:06:52
Speaker 3: that are trying to steal land. So it's not totally lawless,
2:06:55
Speaker 3: but it's on the border of lawlessness.
2:06:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're you're watching you know. Montane in the
2:07:00
Speaker 2: twenties was fascinating. It was a fascinating place because you've
2:07:03
Speaker 2: got the twentieth century of the industrial Revolution in full swing,
2:07:07
Speaker 2: and you have washing machines and refrigerators and telephones and electricity,
2:07:11
Speaker 2: and then you still you're still traveling by horseback. Yeah,
2:07:16
Speaker 2: so very very interesting and so so that that's a
2:07:20
Speaker 2: really fun thing to explore that.
2:07:23
Speaker 3: One dude was the evil rich guy on that show.
2:07:25
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he killed it.
2:07:27
Speaker 2: Tim Dalton.
2:07:28
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's right Tim Dalton, who was bond
2:07:31
Speaker 3: at one point.
2:07:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, crazy, Yes, Yeah, my god.
2:07:35
Speaker 3: Is you play a good fucking creep?
2:07:37
Speaker 2: Twisted?
2:07:38
Speaker 3: So good? Yeah, I forgot it was Tim Dalton, that's
2:07:41
Speaker 3: how good it was.
2:07:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. My wife watched that and looked at me like,
2:07:45
Speaker 2: how did you think that ship up? Dude? Like I
2:07:48
Speaker 2: got the side eye for a couple of scenes where
2:07:52
Speaker 2: she's like, bro, what are you thinking.
2:07:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple of scenes I wondered myself.
2:07:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like this is rough. I was like,
2:07:59
Speaker 5: that's evil. Some of the S and M stuff is
2:08:01
Speaker 5: like twisted.
2:08:03
Speaker 3: But there's people like that in the world. Yeah.
2:08:07
Speaker 2: I I'll tell you what my computer, I just assume
2:08:11
Speaker 2: that the CIA and FBI have like a whole team
2:08:14
Speaker 2: because the ship I look up when I'm researching how
2:08:18
Speaker 2: to make a bomb, S and M practice CIA hot
2:08:23
Speaker 2: regions in the Middle East, and it's all at once, right.
2:08:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's no way they're not looking at your phone.
2:08:30
Speaker 2: They're looking at it, going Taylor's writing something new, look
2:08:32
Speaker 2: at this.
2:08:33
Speaker 3: I think anybody that has an influence, they probably look
2:08:35
Speaker 3: at your shit no matter what. Anyway, which is also dark,
2:08:39
Speaker 3: like we don't even know how much actual real spying
2:08:42
Speaker 3: on people is occurring. We're just guessing.
2:08:45
Speaker 2: No, we don't have any idea. I think within the
2:08:49
Speaker 2: world of tradecraft, a tremendous amount. Oh yeah, I think
2:08:53
Speaker 2: within the world of I mean within that world.
2:08:56
Speaker 3: I think when you're writing that, how difficult is it
2:09:00
Speaker 3: to really keep your finger on the pulse of what's
2:09:03
Speaker 3: actually going on with espionage and like what tools they
2:09:08
Speaker 3: actually have available? Are you making some up?
2:09:12
Speaker 2: No? I mean most of the I mean, I'm sure
2:09:15
Speaker 2: there is some extremely high tech tradecraft going on, right
2:09:19
Speaker 2: for sure, tracking devices and various things, satellite imagery, facial recognition,
2:09:25
Speaker 2: all of these things. But a lot of it's also
2:09:27
Speaker 2: very low tech by it by design because it's harder
2:09:30
Speaker 2: to it's harder to trace, right, and it's a lot
2:09:36
Speaker 2: of leverage and manipulation. You're either bribing someone with money
2:09:42
Speaker 2: or blackmailing them, and that's typically those those are the
2:09:44
Speaker 2: two tools that are being used the most in tradecraft
2:09:50
Speaker 2: in the spy game, right, that's really it's leverage, leveraging
2:09:54
Speaker 2: individuals and they're all doing it, everybody, right, every single
2:10:00
Speaker 2: And then if you look at some of the and
2:10:01
Speaker 2: again I'm not getting on any completely apolitical, but from
2:10:08
Speaker 2: a tradecraft standpoint, what the massade was able to do
2:10:11
Speaker 2: with all those fucking cell phones and pagers and shit
2:10:15
Speaker 2: like you want to talk about play the long game,
2:10:17
Speaker 2: like build this dummy company, sell all these get all
2:10:21
Speaker 2: these devices to all of these people who are your enemy,
2:10:26
Speaker 2: and start setting them off years later. Detonate insanity.
2:10:33
Speaker 3: I mean it's genius. It really is insanity. Not endorsing it,
2:10:37
Speaker 3: saying no, but the actual act of doing.
2:10:40
Speaker 2: It, to look intredibly, the patience and the planning and
2:10:43
Speaker 2: the risks and that they were able to execute that
2:10:49
Speaker 2: is shocking.
2:10:51
Speaker 3: When you saw that in the news. Did you think
2:10:53
Speaker 3: if I wrote that, no one fucking buy it?
2:10:56
Speaker 2: Dude, I do that all the time of the news,
2:11:00
Speaker 2: the maduro rate. If I had written rat right, no
2:11:03
Speaker 2: one would know.
2:11:04
Speaker 3: Right, They like, that's too simple? Fuck out of here.
2:11:07
Speaker 3: Somehow it goes down. Yeah, even the bin laden ready
2:11:10
Speaker 3: a helicopter crashed.
2:11:12
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The fact that they were able to and
2:11:15
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't as smooth as it was led
2:11:19
Speaker 2: on to be, But the fact that no one died,
2:11:21
Speaker 2: not an American invading the Venezuelan military base in the
2:11:29
Speaker 2: middle of Caracas, it's fucking insane.
2:11:31
Speaker 3: It seems like it went pretty smooth. Do you think
2:11:33
Speaker 3: it went less smooth than they're saying.
2:11:34
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there's elements of like, I'm sure, right,
2:11:39
Speaker 2: I don't know how any The one thing I've learned
2:11:41
Speaker 2: with all my research into the military is any of
2:11:44
Speaker 2: these operations, there's there's there's actually a line in the
2:11:48
Speaker 2: upcoming line is where someone says, did it go smooth?
2:11:50
Speaker 2: And the guy says, smooth as these things go, right,
2:11:53
Speaker 2: Because that's because just by the very nature you start
2:11:56
Speaker 2: sticking a bunch of people in helicopters with guns, and
2:11:59
Speaker 2: you know shit's going to happen, all right. But the
2:12:03
Speaker 2: fact that there were no casualties, that no one was killed,
2:12:05
Speaker 2: no American was killed, is incredible.
2:12:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is incredible. It's pretty groundbreaking, Like this is
2:12:12
Speaker 3: like a new benchmark for what could be possible in
2:12:15
Speaker 3: terms of an invasion, at least of a third world country.
2:12:18
Speaker 3: Just shocking the difference in the technology that the United
2:12:22
Speaker 3: States possessed versus them well, and whether or not they
2:12:25
Speaker 3: were even available, that's no new brother, that that stuff
2:12:28
Speaker 3: was available.
2:12:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, war's going to change very very quickly with drones
2:12:35
Speaker 2: AI and drones are going to alter the landscape of war.
2:12:40
Speaker 2: We're gonna We're getting real close to some terminator shit.
2:12:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:12:43
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that like it's a good thing. No,
2:12:46
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a very very you talk
2:12:50
Speaker 2: about adolescence of of us as a as a species,
2:12:55
Speaker 2: we're seeing an adolescence in the teenage years of new
2:13:00
Speaker 2: a new type of warfare. And when it grows up,
2:13:03
Speaker 2: it is going to be a beast, a beast, And
2:13:07
Speaker 2: I just think about it. You can, you can? You know?
2:13:11
Speaker 2: Now they've got drones that are the size of airplanes.
2:13:13
Speaker 2: They can have a payload that is devastating, right beyond
2:13:18
Speaker 2: simply a predator drone that's got a couple of healthfare
2:13:20
Speaker 2: missiles or whatever it may have, and someone sitting in
2:13:24
Speaker 2: a connex in the desert in Nevada can fly that
2:13:26
Speaker 2: thing halfway around the world, or don't have anyone fly it,
2:13:30
Speaker 2: pre program it and the thing flies itself. And that's
2:13:36
Speaker 2: you give give the drone a mission, and send the
2:13:39
Speaker 2: drone off to do the mission and it's fully automated. Yeah,
2:13:44
Speaker 2: that's some terrifying shit.
2:13:45
Speaker 3: I bet a lot. That's a lot of what this
2:13:47
Speaker 3: UFP shit is too. I bet it's experimenting with that
2:13:50
Speaker 3: type of technology with some sort of a novel propulsion system,
2:13:53
Speaker 3: because they were working on novel propulsion systems way back
2:13:56
Speaker 3: in the fifties and the sixties. They were working on
2:14:00
Speaker 3: anti gravity in the sixties.
2:14:02
Speaker 2: I don't think we're there.
2:14:04
Speaker 3: I don't know.
2:14:05
Speaker 2: I don't think we're there.
2:14:06
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where we're at. I
2:14:09
Speaker 3: don't know where we're at. But I'm not convinced. I'm
2:14:12
Speaker 3: not convinced that they haven't done something. In fact, Eric
2:14:14
Speaker 3: Weinstein makes some really interesting connections between there's a college
2:14:21
Speaker 3: in Upstate New York University and Upstate New York that
2:14:23
Speaker 3: has a very overqualified physics department, and it's connected to
2:14:27
Speaker 3: a hedge fund that does bigger than Bernie Madeoff type numbers.
2:14:32
Speaker 3: And he's like, the whole thing stinks to high heaven,
2:14:35
Speaker 3: and he goes and I have a feeling that there's
2:14:37
Speaker 3: some sort of an undisclosed or a top secret above
2:14:42
Speaker 3: top secret access program that's going on.
2:14:45
Speaker 2: Oh, I can promise you there's something. Yeah, I've always
2:14:48
Speaker 2: thought a possible solution to petroleum as far as transportation goes,
2:14:56
Speaker 2: and I wonder why they've never tried it is using
2:14:59
Speaker 2: magnetic force. Right, if you have you take a positive
2:15:04
Speaker 2: and negative charge, they're going to come together. But if
2:15:07
Speaker 2: you take a positive and positive or negative negative, they're
2:15:10
Speaker 2: gonna I'm no fucking scientist, but you know it's gonna repel. Right,
2:15:14
Speaker 2: We've taken magnets and they push each other away. Well,
2:15:17
Speaker 2: how can we not use that? If you had a
2:15:20
Speaker 2: vehicle and the base of it is essentially a positive
2:15:25
Speaker 2: charge or a negative whatever it takes to make the
2:15:27
Speaker 2: magnets repel, and then your road base was essentially the
2:15:33
Speaker 2: similarly charged metal, wouldn't that wouldn't that make it some mention?
2:15:37
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you have to redo all the roads to make
2:15:40
Speaker 3: something like that or put it in the road? Yeah? Maybe,
2:15:43
Speaker 3: I mean, it certainly could be a potential source of
2:15:47
Speaker 3: transportation for the future, but I think the things that
2:15:50
Speaker 3: they're doing now probably relates to some sort of anti
2:15:54
Speaker 3: gravity propulsion system. And then there was that you know,
2:15:59
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're aware of this. All those scientists that
2:16:01
Speaker 3: went missing or wand up being murdered. Yeah, how fucking
2:16:05
Speaker 3: sketchy Is that.
2:16:08
Speaker 2: From Los Alamos all up there at the nuclear coincidence?
2:16:12
Speaker 3: Yeah?
2:16:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows?
2:16:15
Speaker 3: Who knows what the fuck those people are working on
2:16:17
Speaker 3: and whether or not they made breakthroughs and they don't
2:16:19
Speaker 3: want other people to know, or whether or not they
2:16:22
Speaker 3: want to stop the breakthrough because they're aligned with whatever
2:16:25
Speaker 3: the conventional propulsion systems are and they don't want to
2:16:28
Speaker 3: lose money. This thing makes them obsolete. They can set
2:16:31
Speaker 3: back the science for a few years.
2:16:33
Speaker 2: Or is it tradecraft? Is it? Is it Russian or
2:16:36
Speaker 2: Chinese or yep?
2:16:38
Speaker 3: Trade Yeah, oh sure. And that's the other thing that
2:16:41
Speaker 3: Weinstein was saying, is like, it's really shocking how little
2:16:44
Speaker 3: these incredibly important scientists are protected. Yeah, data's fucking driving
2:16:51
Speaker 3: their volvo to the university and working on top secret shit. Yeah,
2:16:55
Speaker 3: and no one's making sure they don't get whacked by China.
2:16:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd be curious. And when they look into that,
2:17:03
Speaker 2: what was eleven of them in a.
2:17:05
Speaker 3: Year fifteen over a course of a few years, and
2:17:09
Speaker 3: some of them people are they're going ah, this could
2:17:11
Speaker 3: be coincidence. But there's a few of them where it's like, Okay,
2:17:15
Speaker 3: these people like this lady was specifically working on spacecraft metallurgy,
2:17:20
Speaker 3: this guy was specifically working on cold fusion, this guy
2:17:23
Speaker 3: was specifically with Like there's a bunch of them where
2:17:25
Speaker 3: you go, Okay, something's weird, something's weird here. Yeah, well
2:17:30
Speaker 3: enough to the fact that the government's looking into it. Okay,
2:17:33
Speaker 3: there might be something here, So Justice Department's investigating it.
2:17:36
Speaker 3: They're trying to figure out what the connection is and
2:17:38
Speaker 3: what could have happened. But you know, it's hard after
2:17:41
Speaker 3: the fact to try to figure out who did something,
2:17:43
Speaker 3: especially if somebody got hired from another country, Like they're
2:17:46
Speaker 3: not going to tell you, Like, how are you gonna
2:17:48
Speaker 3: know you didn't catch them? Did you not catch them
2:17:49
Speaker 3: when they killed the guy? Okay, well you're probably fucked.
2:17:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's fifteen Yeah, and they're all
2:18:01
Speaker 2: from that area, aren't they lost animals around.
2:18:03
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that's part
2:18:05
Speaker 3: of the problem. It's like there's whenever you have a
2:18:08
Speaker 3: thing like this where people start looking for connections, they
2:18:11
Speaker 3: can make some connections that aren't necessarily valid. And so
2:18:15
Speaker 3: let's say if there's fifteen, let's say ten of them,
2:18:17
Speaker 3: ten of them are bullshit. Yeah, that means five aren't bullshit,
2:18:20
Speaker 3: if you know, if that's true, that's a lot. It's
2:18:24
Speaker 3: five super fucking brilliant people that got whacked.
2:18:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's interesting that you'd have that many
2:18:32
Speaker 2: in this specific field in this period of time. Yeah,
2:18:35
Speaker 2: And and they're not you know, I would think of
2:18:38
Speaker 2: a scientist as being pretty fucking healthy, right, And I.
2:18:42
Speaker 3: Don't know about that. I think a lot of them
2:18:45
Speaker 3: are just in their own head, you know, and they're
2:18:48
Speaker 3: probably not even paying attention to their body.
2:18:50
Speaker 2: Did they all disappear?
2:18:51
Speaker 3: Different people died from different things. And one of one
2:18:55
Speaker 3: of the weirder ones was this one lady who was
2:18:58
Speaker 3: I think she's the metallurgy lady. Where she was hiking
2:19:01
Speaker 3: with her friend and they were just hiking together and
2:19:04
Speaker 3: the friend turned around to talk to her and she
2:19:06
Speaker 3: was gone, and she was just behind her like thirty
2:19:09
Speaker 3: seconds before. They couldn't find her. They brought in kidaver dogs,
2:19:11
Speaker 3: they brought in search parties, never found her. And I
2:19:14
Speaker 3: think they might have found her body recently. They see
2:19:18
Speaker 3: they found I think there was a report a few
2:19:20
Speaker 3: days ago that they might have found her body.
2:19:24
Speaker 2: I'd be looking real close at the friend. That's just
2:19:28
Speaker 2: me as a guy writes scripts. So me and Joe
2:19:31
Speaker 2: went for a hike. I turned around and that fucker's gone.
2:19:33
Speaker 3: Hey.
2:19:34
Speaker 2: I don't know why I looked everywhere.
2:19:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I swear I had just talked to him
2:19:37
Speaker 3: thirty seconds ago, and he's just not there, no sign
2:19:41
Speaker 3: of struggle. It's weird. Yeah, yeah, like a husband and
2:19:46
Speaker 3: wife go hiking and the lady falls off the cliff.
2:19:48
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, buddy, Yeah, what the fuck happened? You
2:19:51
Speaker 3: guys are again? Can I see your text messages?
2:19:54
Speaker 2: Yeah?
2:19:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah?
2:19:55
Speaker 2: Or the one that just fell off the boat?
2:19:57
Speaker 3: Oh what happened there?
2:19:59
Speaker 2: I I don't want to say it wrong, but I
2:20:02
Speaker 2: think she. I think it was out in the Bahamas.
2:20:07
Speaker 2: I read about it.
2:20:07
Speaker 3: She was it a cruise ship one.
2:20:09
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was him and his lady and
2:20:11
Speaker 2: they're out on a sailboat or something and oh she
2:20:14
Speaker 2: will side. Yeah he had to Yeah, something something weird.
2:20:18
Speaker 2: They're not they're not buying.
2:20:19
Speaker 3: It goes all the way back to the Natalie Wood story.
2:20:21
Speaker 3: You ever look into that one.
2:20:23
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, her and walking and Robert Wagner
2:20:28
Speaker 2: on that Yeah.
2:20:29
Speaker 3: And Robert Wagner and her had a big fight apparently
2:20:33
Speaker 3: and she just whoops, Ye, not the same person. Which
2:20:40
Speaker 3: one is this lady? But she was one of the scientists, correct.
2:20:45
Speaker 3: I believe she was one of the missing scientists.
2:20:48
Speaker 4: She was definitely missing for a year.
2:20:50
Speaker 3: Which one was she?
2:20:51
Speaker 4: I don't know which ones are?
2:20:54
Speaker 3: What was her specialty? Does it say what she worked on? No,
2:21:03
Speaker 3: administrative assistant, Yeah, I remember this lady. Yeah.
2:21:09
Speaker 4: The other one was her name is?
2:21:13
Speaker 3: And the res of one that lady. She was the
2:21:16
Speaker 3: one that has the uh so. She served as the
2:21:19
Speaker 3: director of NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and she was in
2:21:23
Speaker 3: the materials processing group. She specialized in burn resistant, high
2:21:27
Speaker 3: strength metal alloys and rocket propulsion metals. It wasn't she
2:21:31
Speaker 3: one that had like some weird videos? Was she had made?
2:21:37
Speaker 3: Don't know? Anyway? The whole thing is creepy as fuck.
2:21:42
Speaker 2: She was hiking in the Angeles National Force Yeah, outside
2:21:45
Speaker 2: of Pasadena. Hmm. Yeah, that could actually be a fucking
2:21:52
Speaker 2: mountain line.
2:21:53
Speaker 3: It could be, you know, or it could be a
2:21:56
Speaker 3: lady who's working on top secret rocket propulsion pucking medals
2:22:01
Speaker 3: like this lady is a problem.
2:22:03
Speaker 2: Wasn't there some some town I want to say, it's
2:22:05
Speaker 2: Arcadia in California? They the the mayor of that city.
2:22:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Arcadia.
2:22:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a Chinese spy. I would have to think
2:22:17
Speaker 2: if you're if you've how many people have you recruited
2:22:21
Speaker 2: that you finally go, well, fuck that, let's try and
2:22:23
Speaker 2: get the mayor of Arcadia. We got everybody else.
2:22:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably like worked her into position to run
2:22:29
Speaker 3: as mayor, you know, I mean.
2:22:32
Speaker 2: And then and then with the hopes of she was
2:22:35
Speaker 2: relatively young, right, maybe you go run for a state
2:22:39
Speaker 2: rep in the Congress.
2:22:40
Speaker 3: And be the fucking president.
2:22:42
Speaker 2: There was there was a thing in the seventies called abscam.
2:22:46
Speaker 2: Do you remember this, Yeah, where there were all of
2:22:48
Speaker 2: these politicians, a few congressmen, some state reps. Uh, and
2:22:54
Speaker 2: they were all like Russian spies or at least on
2:22:58
Speaker 2: the take right right them Soviet Did.
2:23:02
Speaker 3: You ever see that show with the Americans? Uhuh, I
2:23:05
Speaker 3: didn't either, but I heard it was great. It was
2:23:06
Speaker 3: all about sleeper sell Russian family that was pretending to
2:23:10
Speaker 3: be normal.
2:23:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fascinating.
2:23:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's real. They did that they really had Russian
2:23:16
Speaker 3: agents pretending to be American citizens.
2:23:18
Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't say head, I would say have oh.
2:23:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. And Chinese,
2:23:24
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, for sure on yeah, plenty of them,
2:23:29
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
2:23:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:23:30
Speaker 3: Boy, how many Israeli agents are in Hesbla or in
2:23:33
Speaker 3: Hamas like.
2:23:34
Speaker 2: Probably or in the IRGC.
2:23:36
Speaker 3: Yeah probably they probably got a bunch of those guys
2:23:38
Speaker 3: in there. Yeah, it's just wild.
2:23:43
Speaker 2: It's tradecraft, man, that's a fucking whole other thing.
2:23:46
Speaker 3: How hard is it to write about that stuff and
2:23:48
Speaker 3: like get it right, to get it accurate?
2:23:52
Speaker 2: I mean you, I don't know. You you speculate a
2:23:57
Speaker 2: lot and you look at at the past, right because
2:24:00
Speaker 2: has been enough. It's funny because when they get caught never,
2:24:02
Speaker 2: it's never that big a deal, like there are always
2:24:04
Speaker 2: some Uh it doesn't for whatever reason, the news doesn't.
2:24:11
Speaker 2: There's we could pull it up. There's been any number
2:24:12
Speaker 2: of Chinese scientists over here and they were stealing this,
2:24:15
Speaker 2: and they came doing this. It happens all the time.
2:24:18
Speaker 3: See the ones that got caught trying to bring in bio.
2:24:20
Speaker 3: They're trying to bring in but were they trying to
2:24:23
Speaker 3: bring in diseases or something something that was looking There's.
2:24:26
Speaker 4: Another one in Vegas recently. But it's like they have
2:24:29
Speaker 4: these bio labs that are like being run out of
2:24:31
Speaker 4: like an apartment or something.
2:24:33
Speaker 3: CCP linked bio labs in American soil exposes major bio
2:24:38
Speaker 3: security gaps. Policymakers musks act to improve oversight in biological
2:24:43
Speaker 3: research activity. Wasn't there a guy that got busted that
2:24:45
Speaker 3: was an Israeli agent and he got released and he
2:24:50
Speaker 3: took up Vegas. Yeah, that's the one in Vegas. Yeah,
2:24:54
Speaker 3: so this guy, he had all these fucking diseases in
2:24:57
Speaker 3: his garage.
2:24:58
Speaker 4: Twelve hundred samples.
2:25:03
Speaker 3: Conclusion is conclusion of the FBI lab that the community
2:25:06
Speaker 3: could not be harmed by what was contained in that lab.
2:25:09
Speaker 3: What finding possible biological laboratory in a garage Inside investigators
2:25:16
Speaker 3: found refrigerators with vials containing unknown liquids. Police said in
2:25:21
Speaker 3: the immediate aftermath. The home is also operated as an
2:25:24
Speaker 3: unlicensed short term rental. What is this fucking guy doing?
2:25:31
Speaker 2: Why?
2:25:31
Speaker 3: So the question up up? Yeah, So the question is
2:25:36
Speaker 3: why does somebody have the materials in a private residence.
2:25:38
Speaker 3: Not a doctor, not a lab, not a licensed medical
2:25:41
Speaker 3: facility of any sort, and then Homeboy got released.
2:25:45
Speaker 4: Check out the names on some of the vials.
2:25:47
Speaker 3: Oh boy, they located pathogen labeled containers with labels such
2:25:52
Speaker 3: as dengey fever, HIV, and malaria, along with a thousand
2:25:57
Speaker 3: mice or According to a federal report, federal government never
2:26:01
Speaker 3: tested the items and the CDC only made its determination
2:26:04
Speaker 3: based on the labeling. What what the fuck? So in
2:26:11
Speaker 3: that case, Chinese citizen David he faces federal charges for
2:26:15
Speaker 3: allegedly manufacturing and distributing misbranded medical devices face charges. He
2:26:24
Speaker 3: does not face charges connected to the Las Vegas raid,
2:26:27
Speaker 3: and a trial in California was scheduled for April. What
2:26:31
Speaker 3: the fuck? Just a bunch of vials of HIV and
2:26:36
Speaker 3: AIDS and fucking dengate fever and malaria. No worries Jesus normal.
2:26:42
Speaker 3: So what was the Israeli guy? The guy who owned
2:26:45
Speaker 3: the lab? There was like an Israeli guy who they caught,
2:26:48
Speaker 3: who owned and then they released him and he went
2:26:50
Speaker 3: back to Israel. And everybody's like, hey, what.
2:26:56
Speaker 4: It's the same case. I think it says, Feds drop
2:26:58
Speaker 4: case against man arrested in HLAs Vegas biolab investigation.
2:27:02
Speaker 3: What's his name?
2:27:05
Speaker 4: Or Solomon?
2:27:06
Speaker 2: Oh?
2:27:06
Speaker 3: Or what were you doing? Or Ori? Why do you
2:27:11
Speaker 3: have the HIV? Or y there he is. FEDS drop
2:27:15
Speaker 3: case against man arrested in Las Vegas biolab investigation. Yeah,
2:27:19
Speaker 3: I mean why investigate? Let it go, guys, No big
2:27:23
Speaker 3: deal he had.
2:27:24
Speaker 4: He's only charged with illegal possession of a firearm in Nevada.
2:27:30
Speaker 3: His immigration status precluded him from owning or possessing a gun. Well, listen,
2:27:33
Speaker 3: if he doesn't have a gun, how the fuck is
2:27:35
Speaker 3: he gonna defend all his malaria? People try to steal malaria?
2:27:38
Speaker 3: Bro Gotta be careful. Oh boy. Yeah, Just too much
2:27:48
Speaker 3: fucking shit in the world to pay attention to, and
2:27:50
Speaker 3: too much of it is so disheartening. The more you
2:27:53
Speaker 3: look into it, the more like is it all fucked?
2:27:56
Speaker 3: Is the whole world fucked?
2:27:57
Speaker 2: Like?
2:27:57
Speaker 3: What is going on?
2:28:00
Speaker 2: And my guess is because there are so many different
2:28:06
Speaker 2: two things, right, there's so many different there's no secrets.
2:28:11
Speaker 2: With the Internet and social media and phones, shit's getting out,
2:28:14
Speaker 2: but it's also getting out at such a volume that
2:28:17
Speaker 2: none of it seems to have an.
2:28:18
Speaker 3: Impact, right, Right, there's just so much right.
2:28:22
Speaker 2: Think about that. In the nineteen nineties, right, they're talking
2:28:26
Speaker 2: about that on Nightline and this and that and meet
2:28:29
Speaker 2: the press and trying to spy Israeli. You know that's news.
2:28:35
Speaker 2: But now it's just another.
2:28:37
Speaker 3: The news cycles of flood. It's like you you you
2:28:42
Speaker 3: drop a rose pedal in the river while flood's going by,
2:28:45
Speaker 3: like it's gone. Yeah, it's here, it's gone.
2:28:48
Speaker 2: And it's a sensory overload and h and people are
2:28:52
Speaker 2: tuning it all out.
2:28:53
Speaker 3: They're tuning it all out also because nothing ever gets done,
2:28:55
Speaker 3: nothing happens. And the more people like that get released,
2:28:57
Speaker 3: the more people are Ah, they throw their hands. They'd
2:29:00
Speaker 3: rather just watch sports.
2:29:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just forget about it. Yeah, well, I can't
2:29:07
Speaker 2: believe Simon and Shusher didn't send you my book.
2:29:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know what happened, but I'll listen
2:29:13
Speaker 3: to it on audio tape. I'm glad you did the
2:29:14
Speaker 3: audio tape though. Yeah, that's the part.
2:29:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, pull up the You're gonna fucking love it. It's
2:29:22
Speaker 2: it's oddly entertaining and informative.
2:29:25
Speaker 3: How did you have the time to write a book?
2:29:27
Speaker 3: So what you're writing one hundred and fifty different TV shows?
2:29:30
Speaker 2: So so you know what it is? Do you know
2:29:32
Speaker 2: anything about it.
2:29:33
Speaker 3: No, pull it up.
2:29:35
Speaker 2: I just wanted. I'm gonna try. And I don't even
2:29:38
Speaker 2: want to tell you what it's called. I just want
2:29:39
Speaker 2: you to see the title.
2:29:41
Speaker 3: How did not die in Prison?
2:29:43
Speaker 2: I tell you. So here's the so. So, here's the deal.
2:29:51
Speaker 2: So when I lived in La there was a gem
2:29:54
Speaker 2: on Beverly Boulevard write it like Beverly and sweetser, and
2:29:58
Speaker 2: everybody called it buns on Beverly because they had all
2:30:00
Speaker 2: the the treadmills kind of right up there, and all
2:30:04
Speaker 2: the girls are there, and if you get stuck in traffic,
2:30:06
Speaker 2: you're staring at all their asses. And that was my gym.
2:30:09
Speaker 2: So me and a buddy of mine shared an apartment
2:30:12
Speaker 2: together and we jogged down their work out every day.
2:30:14
Speaker 2: And there was this dude that showed up and started
2:30:16
Speaker 2: working out in there. And this dude was jacked, but
2:30:19
Speaker 2: different than like the West Hollywood fit, Like this fucker
2:30:22
Speaker 2: was yoked, and I had all these crazy tattoos on him.
2:30:27
Speaker 2: And we became kind of like friendly and ended up
2:30:31
Speaker 2: kind of becoming friends. And his name's Tom Nelson. And
2:30:36
Speaker 2: one day I'm like, I said, what have you been doing?
2:30:37
Speaker 2: He goes, well, you know I'm just start a personal
2:30:39
Speaker 2: training to start personal training here, I was working over
2:30:41
Speaker 2: at the vitamin shop. Guys like in his forties, Like,
2:30:44
Speaker 2: we're in vitamin shop in your forties, that's kind of weird.
2:30:47
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, have you always lived in California? I
2:30:51
Speaker 2: was like, well, I've been here nineteen years, twenty years? Yeah, yeah,
2:30:57
Speaker 2: I said, where from somewhere in the southeast And I said,
2:31:01
Speaker 2: you always live in l He goes, well, no, I
2:31:03
Speaker 2: just got to l a see I've been in prison.
2:31:06
Speaker 2: I said, oh, how long seventeen years? I said, oh,
2:31:11
Speaker 2: And I didn't ask anything else, right, he does become
2:31:15
Speaker 2: a personal trainer, and I'd see him over well, one
2:31:18
Speaker 2: day we have lunch and we're bullshitting and then I'm like,
2:31:20
Speaker 2: what tell me the deal. He's like, oh, I was
2:31:23
Speaker 2: a fucking criminal, dude, Like a criminal, like a real criminal,
2:31:26
Speaker 2: like biggest drug dealer in Hollywood and armed robbery and
2:31:30
Speaker 2: ran over a DA agent. Like I was a fucking criminal.
2:31:33
Speaker 2: But now you know, when I was in I discovered,
2:31:37
Speaker 2: you know, fitness, I started working out, and I'm like,
2:31:39
Speaker 2: when I get out, I'm gonna you know, he got
2:31:41
Speaker 2: himself in good shape. I'm going to start. This is
2:31:43
Speaker 2: my passion. I'm going to do this. So he was
2:31:46
Speaker 2: a trainer there for a while, and then he opened
2:31:48
Speaker 2: his own personal training gym, and uh, and I would
2:31:53
Speaker 2: go work out over there and hang out with him.
2:31:55
Speaker 2: He's a cool fucking dude, and and it became the
2:31:58
Speaker 2: biggest private training him in independent in Hollywood. So I
2:32:04
Speaker 2: go off and I, uh, you know, I start writing
2:32:08
Speaker 2: and I'm shooting Yellstone and he reaches out and he goes, hey,
2:32:12
Speaker 2: I wrote a movie about my life. I'm as sending
2:32:15
Speaker 2: to you. So he sends it to me and I
2:32:18
Speaker 2: read it and it's actually pretty good. But it's sort
2:32:21
Speaker 2: of a fun nineties kind of they don't make movies
2:32:23
Speaker 2: like this anymore. It's like it's the Rock, but we're
2:32:25
Speaker 2: celebrating the you know, the guy, the fucking criminal. But
2:32:29
Speaker 2: it was but it was good. I said, hey, I'll
2:32:31
Speaker 2: pass it on to some producers. But nothing ever happened
2:32:34
Speaker 2: with it anyway, So COVID happens. I'm stuck up on
2:32:38
Speaker 2: this ranch in Montana and I call him and I say, Tom,
2:32:42
Speaker 2: where do you get your gym equipment from? Because I
2:32:43
Speaker 2: need to build a gym because we can't go to
2:32:46
Speaker 2: a gym. I can't leave the ranch COVID restrictions. The
2:32:49
Speaker 2: whole fucking cast is stuck on that ranch. And and
2:32:53
Speaker 2: he said, they shut my gym down, dude. So I mean,
2:32:56
Speaker 2: I'll sell you anything you want. So I sent a
2:32:58
Speaker 2: flatbed trailer to LA and picked up a pilage of
2:33:01
Speaker 2: equipment from him and didn't hear from him again. He
2:33:06
Speaker 2: calls me maybe eighteen months ago, two years, and I answered,
2:33:11
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey man, I'm in a bad way.
2:33:14
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's the deal. He goes, fucking, I got
2:33:17
Speaker 2: a single father, I got a five year old kid,
2:33:19
Speaker 2: I got fucking colon cancer. I'm fucking dying and I
2:33:22
Speaker 2: don't I'm tapped out, dude. I'm a fucking sixty year
2:33:25
Speaker 2: old fella and I can't get a job. I can't
2:33:27
Speaker 2: do anything. Is there any work on your movies or
2:33:31
Speaker 2: anything that I could do? And I said, well, first
2:33:35
Speaker 2: colon cancer? How bad? Like what stage? What's this? He goes,
2:33:38
Speaker 2: I don't know. They saw it on an X ray
2:33:40
Speaker 2: and diagnosed me. And I said, well, let's deal with
2:33:42
Speaker 2: that shit first. So I fly him to Texas where
2:33:45
Speaker 2: I know people, and I get him in and he
2:33:48
Speaker 2: sees a doctor and fortunately the mass wasn't cancer, so
2:33:51
Speaker 2: they help him out do the surgery, get that done.
2:33:55
Speaker 2: And then I say, well, I mean, I get you
2:33:58
Speaker 2: a job on a movie, but it doesn't pay very
2:34:00
Speaker 2: good in the hours or shit. And you've got a
2:34:02
Speaker 2: five year old daughter. I mean, you know, to just
2:34:05
Speaker 2: be a production assistant or something that's not going to
2:34:08
Speaker 2: pay enough to off. It's not a great that's not
2:34:10
Speaker 2: a plan, right, because you think you could just spot
2:34:15
Speaker 2: me for a few months while I try and figure
2:34:16
Speaker 2: shit out. And I said, I have one hundred percent
2:34:19
Speaker 2: failure rate of loaning money to friends. It doesn't work, right.
2:34:23
Speaker 2: I'm not a bank, and buying you ninety days ain't
2:34:26
Speaker 2: go fucking help. So but let me think, let me
2:34:29
Speaker 2: think of something. And so it doesn't take me very long.
2:34:35
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, here's a guy who spent seventeen years
2:34:38
Speaker 2: in prison, and you know what I've never read. I've
2:34:44
Speaker 2: never read how to not fucking die? A travel guide
2:34:49
Speaker 2: to prison. So I call him back and I go,
2:34:51
Speaker 2: I got it, Tom, We're going to write a book
2:34:54
Speaker 2: about my life kind of, We're going to write a
2:34:57
Speaker 2: travel guide to prison for the accidental inmate. Right, somebody
2:35:01
Speaker 2: fucks up and they end up and they don't know
2:35:03
Speaker 2: how to navigate this place. He goes a travel guide.
2:35:06
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to send you. So I bought
2:35:07
Speaker 2: a bunch of Lonely planeted travel guide to Thailand and Mexico,
2:35:10
Speaker 2: and I said, look at these. Right, it breaks it down.
2:35:13
Speaker 2: It tells you an overview of the country. Then it
2:35:16
Speaker 2: gives you a glossary of the terms. They teach you,
2:35:18
Speaker 2: the language, they talk about the food, they talk about
2:35:20
Speaker 2: where you stay, they talk about navigating the country. We're
2:35:23
Speaker 2: going to do that for prison. And he goes, I'm in.
2:35:28
Speaker 2: I said, great, I'm going to write all the intros.
2:35:30
Speaker 2: I'll build the structure and walk you through it, and
2:35:33
Speaker 2: you're going to So it's literally a travel guide to prison,
2:35:38
Speaker 2: and it walks you through day one, how to navigate
2:35:41
Speaker 2: the yard being processed in, the food, the commissary, the gangs,
2:35:46
Speaker 2: the diseases, prison riots, how to get a job in there,
2:35:49
Speaker 2: how to fucking make a shive, how to do everything?
2:35:52
Speaker 2: Who it is a tour guide to prison?
2:35:55
Speaker 3: How many pages?
2:35:56
Speaker 2: A couple hundred.
2:36:00
Speaker 3: It sounds awesome.
2:36:01
Speaker 2: It's the crest.
2:36:01
Speaker 3: I hope I never need it. Well, I must be
2:36:04
Speaker 3: hope they never need it.
2:36:05
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess ninety nine percent of the people
2:36:07
Speaker 2: who do read it. The one thing it'll do is
2:36:10
Speaker 2: tell you don't ever want to fucking go there, that's
2:36:13
Speaker 2: for sure, right, And typically if someone's going there, I
2:36:17
Speaker 2: even say in the intro, I'm like, if you're if
2:36:19
Speaker 2: you're buying this book because you're going to prison, finish
2:36:22
Speaker 2: the book before you get to prison. Do not bring
2:36:24
Speaker 2: this book with you to prison, or you'll die on
2:36:26
Speaker 2: fucking day one. So leave the book at home. But yeah,
2:36:30
Speaker 2: So so then we did. I took the we wrote
2:36:33
Speaker 2: three chapters of it. I took it out, and Simon
2:36:37
Speaker 2: Schuster read it, flipped and me and Tom got a
2:36:41
Speaker 2: book deal.
2:36:41
Speaker 3: So that's awesome.
2:36:42
Speaker 2: So he, you know, he was able to sit with
2:36:44
Speaker 2: me and we wrote it and he was able to
2:36:46
Speaker 2: take care of his kid, and.
2:36:48
Speaker 3: That's very cool. Yeah, good, good for you man for
2:36:51
Speaker 3: doing that. That's really awesome that he did that. Yeah,
2:36:53
Speaker 3: so I know you're busy as shit. Are you having
2:36:56
Speaker 3: another project on your plate? Not not fun? Probably that
2:37:01
Speaker 3: one was a lot of fun, right, yeah, but not
2:37:03
Speaker 3: fun to take something else on I mean, I'm sure.
2:37:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was it was. It was a very
2:37:09
Speaker 2: entertaining diversion from you know, from my other You know,
2:37:13
Speaker 2: I can bitch about my other job, right, bitch about
2:37:16
Speaker 2: something on land Man or whatever, and then you know,
2:37:19
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit down and oh, we're writing about smallpox today. Okay,
2:37:22
Speaker 2: there's there's some perspective. It's not it's not quite so
2:37:26
Speaker 2: bad that Billy Bob is an hour late to work,
2:37:29
Speaker 2: which he's never an hour late to work, but you
2:37:31
Speaker 2: get my point. Yeah, Yeah, it's a sobering thing. It's
2:37:34
Speaker 2: a it's it's a that's a broken system. You want
2:37:38
Speaker 2: to talk about a broken fucking system.
2:37:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, the prison is an Alabama solution on the other
2:37:45
Speaker 3: guy who did that documentary on the Alabama prison system.
2:37:48
Speaker 3: It's fucking heartbreaking, man, heartbreaking.
2:37:53
Speaker 2: I used to be roommates with the guy that edited
2:37:57
Speaker 2: all of those Locked Up. He would go and film
2:37:59
Speaker 2: those lots. I remember those. Yeah, go to Folsom and
2:38:02
Speaker 2: Corcoran and all these prisons.
2:38:04
Speaker 3: Just dude, it's a gonna tell.
2:38:07
Speaker 2: Rough and not designed to rehabilitate, all right, All it's
2:38:12
Speaker 2: an institution that guarantees you're a criminal when you come out.
2:38:15
Speaker 2: That's what you'll be if you weren't a criminal when
2:38:17
Speaker 2: you went in, which you clearly committed a crime and
2:38:20
Speaker 2: got convicted. But you're gonna be a fucking criminal when
2:38:22
Speaker 2: you come out, like the people, the guys like Tom who.
2:38:27
Speaker 2: I mean, there's an eighty something percent recidivism rate in
2:38:30
Speaker 2: the US. So for a guy to get out of
2:38:33
Speaker 2: prison and not go back to prison, the odds are
2:38:38
Speaker 2: fucking four to one against you, Like, it's at.
2:38:42
Speaker 3: Least yeah, it's probably higher.
2:38:44
Speaker 2: Than that, right, I think it's eighty something eighty something percent,
2:38:48
Speaker 2: eighty six eighty yeah. Fuck yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal.
2:38:56
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you wrote it. Yeah, I read it.
2:38:58
Speaker 3: I promise listen to listen to it. I'll listen to
2:39:00
Speaker 3: it in the sauna.
2:39:01
Speaker 2: There you go.
2:39:04
Speaker 3: Thanks for everything, man, Thanks for all the awesome shows.
2:39:06
Speaker 3: It's been great watching him.
2:39:07
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching you. The man.
2:39:09
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. I appreciate it.
2:39:11
Speaker 2: I have time to talk about one more thing.
2:39:12
Speaker 3: Sure that UFC two fifty oh man?
2:39:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, justin gaegee dude.
2:39:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had him on.
2:39:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm incredible. I saw him. Remember when
2:39:23
Speaker 2: I bumped into you with that fight in Vegas. That's
2:39:26
Speaker 2: the first time I'd seen him live, and I go
2:39:28
Speaker 2: to a bunch of prize fights. I love boxing, and
2:39:30
Speaker 2: I'm watching that guy. If he had decided to be
2:39:34
Speaker 2: a professional boxer, he would his striking is that level,
2:39:39
Speaker 2: Like that dude he went to work.
2:39:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, guy, Now he's a oh man, I'm glad he's
2:39:47
Speaker 3: an MMA fighter because he started out as an All
2:39:50
Speaker 3: American wrestler and Division one. He's like very He's just
2:39:54
Speaker 3: a great athlete all across the board, and just his
2:39:57
Speaker 3: particular style of a great is so well suited for MMA.
2:40:02
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's just shocking that he's that good a
2:40:05
Speaker 2: striker and he was a wrestler.
2:40:07
Speaker 3: I know he's he's just a wild motherfucker across the board.
2:40:12
Speaker 3: But for him to pull that off the way he
2:40:13
Speaker 3: did at the White House was nuts. I mean, he's
2:40:17
Speaker 3: some books had him at six to one underdog, and
2:40:21
Speaker 3: Ilio Tapoora is so fucking good. Yeah, he's so good,
2:40:25
Speaker 3: and he had him in sick trouble in that second round.
2:40:28
Speaker 3: Let's say I watched it again yesterday. The second round
2:40:31
Speaker 3: was brutal. I mean, Iliot was just destroying his liver.
2:40:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, almost put him down.
2:40:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even in the second round, Justin still bloodied
2:40:39
Speaker 3: Ilia up. His face was busted up, like he was
2:40:42
Speaker 3: getting the most damage to Ilia's face, and that was
2:40:45
Speaker 3: a giant factor in the fight, because I don't know
2:40:49
Speaker 3: what the accuracy of these reports are, but what's being
2:40:52
Speaker 3: reported is that he had two broken orbital bones and
2:40:55
Speaker 3: a broken nose. So both his eyes were broken and
2:40:59
Speaker 3: his nose was broken, and Justin was here a couple
2:41:02
Speaker 3: days later and he looked great. It's just nuts. It's
2:41:05
Speaker 3: just like he's very deceptively good at rolling with shots,
2:41:10
Speaker 3: and you know, he's fucking durable as hell and just
2:41:15
Speaker 3: very clever, very clever and how he sets things up
2:41:17
Speaker 3: and where he finds openings. And one of the things
2:41:19
Speaker 3: he kept getting off is this he does like he
2:41:22
Speaker 3: does a collar tying into an uppercut, and he got
2:41:24
Speaker 3: that off multiple shots. He did that with physive too.
2:41:28
Speaker 3: He's really good with that move. He's a beast man.
2:41:31
Speaker 3: I'm just so happy for him to win. I'm you know,
2:41:34
Speaker 3: I'm a giant Iliot Toporia fan as well, and I
2:41:37
Speaker 3: think he'll be back better than ever. And I think
2:41:40
Speaker 3: sometimes a loss is like one of the most important
2:41:42
Speaker 3: things a fighter can ever have because they realize, like
2:41:45
Speaker 3: you can be beat and you need to know that
2:41:47
Speaker 3: you're a human. You need to know that you can't
2:41:50
Speaker 3: just throw caution to the wind sometimes and just engage
2:41:52
Speaker 3: in these wild scraps. Sometimes you have to be a
2:41:56
Speaker 3: little bit more tactical and sometimes you got to realize,
2:41:59
Speaker 3: like you can't take everybody out, and that's the case
2:42:02
Speaker 3: with Justin. They couldn't take him out, and he almost
2:42:05
Speaker 3: did in the second round. Got real fucking close, real close.
2:42:08
Speaker 2: But you know that that freaking Justin. He he can
2:42:12
Speaker 2: time that transfer of power to right at the end
2:42:16
Speaker 2: of the punch mm hmm. And just his hands are
2:42:18
Speaker 2: so heavy.
2:42:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody says that too. Everybody who he's fought, he said,
2:42:22
Speaker 3: he's one of the hardest guys that that's ever hit them,
2:42:25
Speaker 3: including Kabib, who's, you know, one of the old time greats,
2:42:28
Speaker 3: said Justin hit him harder than anybody. Yeah, he's a animal.
2:42:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:42:32
Speaker 3: It was impressive and the fight was like to be
2:42:34
Speaker 3: there at the White House while that was going on
2:42:37
Speaker 3: and to have Justin so happy, Like there's something about
2:42:40
Speaker 3: a guy winning who's an underdog that is just so
2:42:43
Speaker 3: fucking inspiring.
2:42:44
Speaker 2: He didn't look like an underdog that night.
2:42:46
Speaker 3: No, he did not. After the second round, he didn't,
2:42:48
Speaker 3: especially the third. Once the third rolled around, he dropped
2:42:51
Speaker 3: him and then he got ahead of arm and snatched
2:42:54
Speaker 3: him down to the ground. Like, holy shit, man, he's
2:42:58
Speaker 3: he's fucking dominating him. This is crazy. Yeah, it was
2:43:01
Speaker 3: wild wild watch. It was awesome though.
2:43:04
Speaker 2: It was fantastic. Should have been their live, man, that
2:43:06
Speaker 2: would have been a good one.
2:43:07
Speaker 3: Oh, it was crazy. It was crazy to be their live.
2:43:09
Speaker 3: It just felt surreal. I mean they had to fly over.
2:43:12
Speaker 2: They all together, the jets come shooting over. Bro.
2:43:15
Speaker 3: They were like separated by that far from each other.
2:43:18
Speaker 3: It's I don't know how the fuck those guys do that.
2:43:20
Speaker 3: It was incredible, incredible, incredible.
2:43:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was awesome.
2:43:24
Speaker 3: Thanks brother. Once again, the book is called How To
2:43:26
Speaker 3: Not Die in Prison and available now audiobook everything. Thank you,
2:43:33
Speaker 3: Thank you, buddy,