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Oscar Vs Dana White (We're On Oscar's Side) · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of Sands.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Jamison Welch.
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  Speaker 1: And in this corner, standing at five foot ten, weighing
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  Speaker 1: in at pound and coming to us from his super
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  Speaker 1: secret bunker with no AC in Tucson, Arizona. Put your
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  Speaker 1: hands together for Louis Montemao.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Welcome back to the episode of the Next
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  Speaker 2: Company podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, on one half of the show, this is
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  Speaker 1: Jamison as always, I'm joined by Louise.
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  Speaker 2: Louise, what's going on, man, Jamison?
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  Speaker 3: I have very happy to be here recording episode forty nine.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's actually we're a boxing podcast and I
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  Speaker 3: never have never really gotten into any other sports butt boxing,
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  Speaker 3: but it is a really cool time to be a
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  Speaker 3: sports fan, you know. Shout out to the New York
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  Speaker 3: Knicks winning the NBA Championship last week. It's really cool
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  Speaker 3: seeing all of those celebrations pop up on my feed.
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  Speaker 3: And World Cup time.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I went to a watch party for the first match
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  Speaker 3: between Mexico and South Africa, so that was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fun. You know, got invited by some friends and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's a you know, I've never been the kind really
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  Speaker 3: to pooh pooh sports, you know, even though I only
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  Speaker 3: care about one and I'm a nerd guy too, But
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  Speaker 3: that communal feeling of coming together watching you know, a match,
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  Speaker 3: a basketball game, booting for your team. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: feel it when I go out to watch Canelo fight
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  Speaker 3: and all the my fellow Mexicans are rooting in the
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  Speaker 3: in the bar there for him. So it's awesome. It's
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  Speaker 3: a great feeling, and you know, I'm happy that people
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  Speaker 3: are getting to experience it, and you know, it's cool
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  Speaker 3: kind of popping my head in, you know, to peek in,
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  Speaker 3: like let's see what the NBA guys are doing, let's
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  Speaker 3: see what the soccer guys are doing. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I feel it, I feel and all that.
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  Speaker 1: You know. So, Michigan World Cup going on with NBA,
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  Speaker 1: we have NHL that just finished up. Baseball is a
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  Speaker 1: full swing. It's a great time of year. We got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of boxing. A lot of boxing happened this
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  Speaker 1: past week and going forward. So great time the year
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  Speaker 1: man summertime. I always say there should always be fight
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  Speaker 1: standing every weekend when it comes to summer.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, fake we can get and it's
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  Speaker 2: all good.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and we do have a lot to go over
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  Speaker 3: about what's been going on. Let's start with this past Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: So uh in Glendale, Arizona, UH, just a couple hours
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  Speaker 3: away from me, we had Jesse Beam Rodriguez from San
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  Speaker 3: Antonio fighting Antonio Varguas, who, as I've said before, is
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  Speaker 3: not one of Fernando Vargus the Suns. It's three sons.
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  Speaker 3: This guy's not one of them. But Ben Rodriguez manet
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  Speaker 3: kid keeps looking better and better.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Started off like Antonio Vargus was was looking really good,
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  Speaker 3: definitely won a couple of early rounds. I was kind
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  Speaker 3: of thinking, like, all right, Jesse, you gotta step it up,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Either if this keeps up and you know
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  Speaker 3: you don't step on the gas, we might hit hit
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  Speaker 3: a draw, maybe even an l for for Ben Mardriguez,
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  Speaker 3: but no man round six killer knockout.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Just an amazing performance. Two knockdowns. And the big thing
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  Speaker 3: with Jesseva Marodriguez is people are saying that he should
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  Speaker 3: fight now. Yeah, in a way, that's kind of the
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  Speaker 3: mega fight to make one of the announcers asking does
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  Speaker 3: he look ready for In a way, and you know
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to say, but I mean, nobody's ever ready.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know. I mean, what do you how
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  Speaker 3: do you feel about this kid? You know, he's he's
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  Speaker 3: bound to be a star.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'd love to see it. I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: see it ready or not. It's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: where you don't know if you're ready till you're in
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  Speaker 1: the ring. Like, here's the thing that we all got
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  Speaker 1: to remember, Like every boxer has gotten in the ring
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  Speaker 1: not ready, but they arrive, and I just thinks that
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  Speaker 1: it's time to where hey. Decisions have to be made
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  Speaker 1: to make that leap because here's the thing, you don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: The options that are there now may not be available
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  Speaker 1: in six months or a year. Things happen, crazy stuff happens,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. There's an option to fight an away.
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  Speaker 1: You might want to take it, because here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: If you win that fight, you are now the king
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  Speaker 1: of that vision and a huge pounerful pound argument. So
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, if that fights there, you make it happen.
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  Speaker 1: Also like to see that fight in the US as well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like people having to travel, you know, twelve
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  Speaker 1: hours away, fourteen hours away. But that's out of my
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  Speaker 1: that's out of my payroll of hair range, so I
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  Speaker 1: can't really go in detail about that, but we'll see
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  Speaker 1: what ends up happening. I hope they make the fight,
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  Speaker 1: because here's the thing. We got to make as many
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  Speaker 1: big fights as possible.
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  Speaker 2: We have to.
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  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned all the sports earlier, all the other
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  Speaker 1: sports are having huge news in whatever they're doing. We're
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  Speaker 1: soccer got World Cup, NBA just had the highest rated
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  Speaker 1: finals in the last twenty eight years. NHL has Vegas
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  Speaker 1: in the Stanley Cup, which is a big, a big
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  Speaker 1: story for many reasons. So every sport got motion going
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  Speaker 1: on right now. Boxing's kind of like in the background
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  Speaker 1: they need. If they can be a mega fight at
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  Speaker 1: guys at this weight, that would be a good situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll get more into this, but a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the a lot of the news that I'm seeing
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  Speaker 3: come up in my feet usually has to do with
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  Speaker 3: Dana White coming in and shenanigans that we'll get into.
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  Speaker 3: So we're not Yeah, our sport is not getting the
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  Speaker 3: highlight for the right reasons unfortunately. But yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 3: this is anytime now. Yeah, in a way, fights it's
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  Speaker 3: a big deal. Unfortunately, Yeah, a lot of us can't
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  Speaker 3: watch when it's airing because it's four in the morning
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  Speaker 3: our time, because he fights in Tokyo a lot. But
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  Speaker 3: even so, there's still clips going around, you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: still a lot of it's a big deal in the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of fights when he got knocked down, not out,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, he got put on it like that
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  Speaker 3: show was everywhere. So uh, it's kind of a natural prank.
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  Speaker 3: If there's a guy that that the people think could
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  Speaker 3: even be a potential rival for him, you're right, the
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  Speaker 3: fight has to be made. You can't deli deli and
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  Speaker 3: hell even say like, well, I don't think BAM's gonna win,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter, you know, you gotta you gotta get in
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  Speaker 3: there with him. And yes, I don't know, I have
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  Speaker 3: no idea how much you don't. I know he's a
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  Speaker 3: big draw in Japan. Obviously his fights are well attended
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  Speaker 3: this and that. But I can't imagine that putting one
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  Speaker 3: of his fights against Bam in Vegas, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: on a holiday weekend or something like that. I gotta
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  Speaker 3: imagine that's like way more profitable, way more attended, way
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  Speaker 3: more eyeballs, especially since it's going to be in the US,
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  Speaker 3: so I think they're kind of leaving money on the
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  Speaker 3: table if they don't do that bring it stateside.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: After seeing what bam and he moved up by the way,
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember what way, Close says, sorry, I should
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  Speaker 3: had that ready, but he moved up a couple pounds
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  Speaker 3: and he looked great. After seeing his performance, I thought,
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  Speaker 3: you know this, this is the fight that has to
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  Speaker 3: be made. Now I'm getting excited at the idea of it.
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  Speaker 3: At first, I was like, what's.
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  Speaker 1: That has to be made? It has to be made
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  Speaker 1: because here's the thing. The one thing you don't want
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  Speaker 1: is in a way just fighting random guy. Is that
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  Speaker 1: people don't know about. You want him fighting guys other
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  Speaker 1: people have seen fight you. And I'm also fighting on
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  Speaker 1: our time zone one way or another east or west
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  Speaker 1: coach time, you know, relative to when people are up.
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  Speaker 1: There's too many times where we got to wake up
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  Speaker 1: and find out what happened and then rewatch the fight.
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  Speaker 2: So I agree with you with all those things.
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  Speaker 1: All that being said, though, is we have to get
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  Speaker 1: back to guys fighting the number one or number two
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  Speaker 1: contenders or guys that are as talented to either the
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  Speaker 1: number one or two contenders. We've gotten away from that
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  Speaker 1: to where guys aren't taking chances, guys aren't fighting, not
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  Speaker 1: as Nussard guys that can beat them, but guys that
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  Speaker 1: are talented. We've kind of gotten away from that. So
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  Speaker 1: every being nice to see and we'll see what happens
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  Speaker 1: if it does get made. But it reason I see
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  Speaker 1: a competitive match out the gate.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know, just a little man of kope
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  Speaker 3: here Ben when it went from super flyweight up to
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  Speaker 3: bent Way, so he went up to one eighteen for
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  Speaker 3: for this fight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: On a couple of other things that happened that night. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: we had a couple of friends of the show fighting. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Martinez, who I got to interview, he lost on
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  Speaker 3: an undisputed decision against This was their second fight. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: came to a draw. Everybody was clamoring for them to
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  Speaker 3: run it back. You know, Jordan looked great. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's awesome. One l isn't gonna derail you or anything.
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  Speaker 3: You know, guys like him, young guys gotta stay hungry,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta stay active. It's a bumber to see, but uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't think it's Honestly, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna slow him down. He's too energetic and too
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  Speaker 3: hungry for for this this to stop him. Other friend
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  Speaker 3: of the show, Trinio Choa, who has been interviewed here
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  Speaker 3: we uh he won via knockout. His previous fight in
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  Speaker 3: Phoenix unfortunately also came to a loss, but he bounced
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  Speaker 3: back in great fashion. So it was really cool seeing
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  Speaker 3: these guys. But for me having met these dudes and
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  Speaker 3: interviewed them and seeing them, you know, in a major
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  Speaker 3: event on you know, a pay per view fight on
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  Speaker 3: his own, is this It's surreal. I mean it's a
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  Speaker 3: I've never done anything like this. You know, you've interviewed
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  Speaker 3: way more athletes than I have. I mean, here's she's
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  Speaker 3: a question like does that feeling kind of go away?
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  Speaker 3: Like if you interview an NBA star you see him
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  Speaker 3: on TV, is it just like whatever now to you?
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  Speaker 1: So for it's a long time, you get used to
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  Speaker 1: it after a while, but it is dope following up
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  Speaker 1: and coming guys. So when you're interviewing like guys trying
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  Speaker 1: to make the NBA or guys at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the bench, Uh, that's always cool. Or guys coming up
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  Speaker 1: playing in the minor leagues. That's always cool because there's
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  Speaker 1: a story there, right. The guys that already pros, that
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  Speaker 1: are already established, they're cool, But it just depends because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them don't like talking to media, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of them don't like doing media. So you get
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  Speaker 1: more engagement from guys that are trying to make it
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  Speaker 1: because people aren't really gravitating towards them, and then guys
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  Speaker 1: that are really just trying to find their spot, either
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  Speaker 1: on the team or the league or whatever. Those tend
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  Speaker 1: to be the best interviews because those guys don't take
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  Speaker 1: things that seriously as guys that are establishing, the guys that.
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  Speaker 2: Have PR managers and all that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a little bit different when it comes to boxing, though,
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  Speaker 1: boxing is a bit different because the athlete doesn't is
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  Speaker 1: not excuse me, the boxer is not really word about
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  Speaker 1: PR like that, so they're not as PR conscious as
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  Speaker 1: other athletes per se. Now, they're not gonna say anything
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  Speaker 1: crazy off top like that, but it's more about you'll
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  Speaker 1: get more info when you ask questions. As long as
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  Speaker 1: the boxer likes to converse and likes to go in detail,
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  Speaker 1: you'll get real answers like Sean Porter might be the
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  Speaker 1: best interview in boxing, and he has a great personality.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very nice guy. He gives you in depth
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  Speaker 1: answers to the questions you ask, and you know, guys
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  Speaker 1: like that will give you a lot of insight. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Shaker Stevenson is somebody I would love to interview because
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  Speaker 1: he loves boxing like he loves like he loves boxing.
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  Speaker 1: He loves talking about boxing, and it's not for the
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  Speaker 1: wrong reasons. It's for the correct reasons, for the reasons
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  Speaker 1: where he loves a sport. That'd be a guy I
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  Speaker 1: would lower we would love to interview because here's the thing,
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  Speaker 1: he would nerd out on boxing and he would appreciate
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  Speaker 1: the questions we would have to ask. So those are
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  Speaker 1: always good interviews. Now, your interviews where you got to
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  Speaker 1: force it or they're just not into it, it's such
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  Speaker 1: because you got to do a job at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't really cool.
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  Speaker 1: But the guys who really like talking and guys that
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  Speaker 1: love giving answer to the topic of boxing or whatever
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  Speaker 1: you're referring to, it's always a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, a million lifetimes ago, back when
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  Speaker 3: I was a skinny college kid. I was I would
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  Speaker 3: make the documentary films for school. And I've interviewed a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people in my life. Have been very lucky
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  Speaker 3: to have good interviews, but I'm honestly, I've also heard
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  Speaker 3: the horror stories and when somebody is just not into
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  Speaker 3: it one word answers, They'll be like, oh, tell us
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  Speaker 3: about your next fight, and some gime, I go, it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be good and leave it at that. That's terrifying
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  Speaker 3: to me. I've been very lucky that I've never had
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  Speaker 3: to interview anybody like that, not just for the show,
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  Speaker 3: but in you know, like I said, a previous life.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you know it just it keeps me stoked
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  Speaker 3: to to try to connect more athletes, so and and
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  Speaker 3: anybody out there listening. You know, it doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 3: you're like a one to oh young guy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we'll we'll talk to you. I love to learn about
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  Speaker 3: the sport from the people actually doing it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: things even things like you know, training, regiment this and that, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the dieting and all that meal planning, all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. I'm not gonna do it, but I'm still
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  Speaker 3: very curious to learn about you know, what what athletes
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  Speaker 3: you know, what what you put in your body, the
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  Speaker 3: kind of things that the number of hours that you're training,
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff is fascinating. But yeah, no, definitely big
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  Speaker 3: shout out to Treaty and Jordan and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we definitely want to see them back in the ring
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  Speaker 3: soon and back on the show as well. Hopefully we
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  Speaker 3: get a chance to talk to them again and and
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  Speaker 3: debrief about their event in so let's be onan It's
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  Speaker 3: kind of a I was thinking, there's kind of like
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  Speaker 3: a main topic for this episode, which is, uh, the
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  Speaker 3: ongoing feud between Oscar Delaya and Dana White. For those
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  Speaker 3: of you who don't know my man, Oscar loves talking shit.
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  Speaker 3: He always loves that's always loved talking shit. He has
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  Speaker 3: what is it, what does he call it? Clapback Thursdays,
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  Speaker 3: like a week. Yeah, it's it's kind of funny. So
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  Speaker 3: his Okay, this is the kind of thing where I
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  Speaker 3: don't watch regularly, and when I watch it, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I find this very annoying. But then i'm watching it,
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  Speaker 3: I'm laughing, So you know what I mean. It's just
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  Speaker 3: like I it's like I hate this, but damn it,
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  Speaker 3: I hate you from actually making me laugh. So and
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  Speaker 3: that's all he does. He does little animations. He's just
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  Speaker 3: they're ranting and you know, to me fairy.
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  Speaker 2: He does it.
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  Speaker 3: He has really good points and he has he's very
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  Speaker 3: passionate about the sport. He's not just you know, shouting
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  Speaker 3: crazy like I don't know, good oh UFOs and you
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  Speaker 3: know Bigfoot, you know, stupid sh like that. It's it is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, very very pointed. But it is like I
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  Speaker 3: would never tune in every Thursday to listen to Oscar talking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no no, no, no no no.
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  Speaker 3: But but if you but if a clip comes across
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  Speaker 3: my feet, somebody sends it in the group chat, you know, great,
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy, but uh let's start here. So we had
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  Speaker 3: talked about Ryan Garcia saying that he saying that he
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  Speaker 3: will be fighting Connor Ben. Connor Ben Is signed with
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  Speaker 3: Dana White and ZUFA boxing. Ryan Garcia signed with Oscar
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  Speaker 3: Deloya and Golden Boy for emotions. Ryan was talking about
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  Speaker 3: it as if it was a done deal and Oscar Doola,
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  Speaker 3: Oscar de la Ooya comes in and he says, slow
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  Speaker 3: the funk down. Nobody talked to me about this. He
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  Speaker 3: literally said to cease and desist to Dana White, which
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  Speaker 3: is kind of crazy. I mean, uh, first things first,
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  Speaker 3: I I'm on totally on board. First not We're not
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  Speaker 3: Dana White fans, so I'm never gonna be on the
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  Speaker 3: side period, Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think that, you know, I don't everybody
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  Speaker 3: just kind of assume that Dana White can do whatever
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  Speaker 3: the hell he wants because he has money and his
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  Speaker 3: friends with the President. Let's keep it real, okay, And
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad that Oscar is saying, like, hey man, listen,
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  Speaker 3: He's not even saying no, this isn't gonna happen. He's
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  Speaker 3: Oscar straight up said I'll work with any promoter, even
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  Speaker 3: if it has to be Data White, because of course
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  Speaker 3: he's still gotta still gotta you know, pepper that in.
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  Speaker 3: But he says, we're gonna do it the right way,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I think it's a good thing. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think we just let this guy just run wild
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  Speaker 3: in this sport just because he's got fame and fortune elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Oscar's actions. We'll start just when you think about Oscar
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  Speaker 3: doing this, and we'll take it from there.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Well, right now, Ryan's the best boxer Oscar have right now,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: right or the most biggest straw for sure, right it's
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: gotta be.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you gotta protect what you got because here's
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: the thing. All it takes is one fight for somebody
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: else to pay you more than the current guy's paying you,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: and you start getting ideas. It's like anything else. You
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: work one job one day, you work another of the next.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, the other one's paying fifty percent more.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm won't one.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: So you gotta protect what you got because once that's over,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: it's over. And he developed Ryan. So we remember Oscar's
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: been with Ryan through the good and bad. So I'm Oscar. Yeah, nah,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: we not doing nothing off the cup. Everything needs to
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: be in contract and Ryan. Because I stuck through Ryan
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: through all the BS. I don't lost money on Ryan
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: the whole nine. So Oscar is in the right here, like, hey,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: we can we have a way of doing this, this
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: support We're gonna continue doing it. So I have no
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: problem with at all.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just looked it up. I looked at
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: some of the Golden Boy names, you know, the ones
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: that recognize are Gabriella Fundora and Virgil Artist Junior definitely
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: nowhere near the amount of fame that Ryan has on
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: that roster for.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Sure, right.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I And let's provide this isn't the
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: first time that Oscar has stopped Ryan from getting into
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Shenanigan's in deo fights that he didn't sanction. So he
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: was supposed to fight a kickboxer maybe, And I don't
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: know if it was this past Christmas or the one
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: for something like that. And yeah, I think I think
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: he was even going to Japan for an exhibition fight.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: And Oscar is like, hell though I didn't say, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: didn't say yes to this?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: What that?
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: What?
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: What?
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm very curious to what Ryightan thinks is
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: gonna happen. I don't know that you would have an answer.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: But it's just like it's one of those things where
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: any idea sounds cool. He's trying to jump on it,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: but it don't work that way. Like that's the thing
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: he don't realize, like you want it one way, but
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: it's the other. You know, it don't work when you
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: have a promoter, got something like Oscar and you in Yo,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you know in your corner, you better take advantage of that.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: That's not everybody don't have that option, you know. So
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: for me, it's kind of odd to see how he's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: moving because like Oscar got his faults, but when it
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: comes to making money and turns of putting up in
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: good fights, he's been doing it for a long time
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and Ryan going to other places.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that works like that. I don't
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think that works the way people think it would.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Well. The thing about Oscar too, and you know, correct
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: me if there's something else that you can think of,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: But he's seems to be consistent. He's been the most
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: consistent of promoters other than Bob Aram when it comes
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to like, for example, uh PDC putting a lot of money,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you know, back put on some good fights and then
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: ended up losing a shit ton of money, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: and kind of went went downhill. The number of fights
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: went downhill, you know. The thea Sadis came in and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: infused a ton of tons of money into ZUFA and
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: into match room, but like this was recent and its
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: just like a big spike and billions of dollars that
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: they're spending. But Oscar's been doing this tried and true
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: for a long time now, and he's no, he's he
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: hasn't been you know. Uh, I don't know if there's
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: any like issues with him and money or anything like that,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't either. He's he's not losing millions and
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: millions or billions on fights, you know, like we got
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: we gotta remember, like he's the first guy to really
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: understand the pay per view game and the promotion game.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: He was the first guy in my recollection to promote
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: his own fights, all right, so he knows the business
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: inside and out. If I'm going to.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Follow anyone in this game, it's gonna be Oscar when
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it comes to that, because he did it, and he
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: was a draw. He was one of the biggest draws
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: we've ever had, especially for non heavyweights. It's basically him
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and Floyd are the two biggest draws you've ever had
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: for guys that are not one hundred and eighty pounds up.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So for me, in my opinion, it wouldn't make sense
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: to go away from Oscar because at least with Oscar
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: there structure, with Zoofa, like you said, they could be
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: here Togeay gone in six months. I don't trust nothing people.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I don't trust the chic like that when it comes
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to overall thing I'm boxing. I don't trust in in
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: white light that I think they're here as long as
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they can, and then once they don't feel that there's
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: value in boxing, they're gonna separate themselves from the situation.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That's what I get the vibes of at the moment.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But from what
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it feels like, the way the language is and the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: way things are going on, it feels like it's a
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: lot of press opportunities, it's a lot of things that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: sound kind of cool, a lot of weird fight matter,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and then that's it. And it's like, I don't see
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: things that are goodness for boxing. I see things that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: are goodness for people who are setting these fights up.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of name brand, name recognition and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: pub for the people who are arranging these fights.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm not seeing the best fights for boxing.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Sure. And a point that Oscar made on one of
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: his videos was that you know the fighters who do
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: sign with Dana White, you know the spokes Sorry let
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: me let me rewind here. The point that he made
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: is that the Saudi's are losing a shit ton of
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: money on boxing. We talked about before that that's not
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the point. It's kind of to sanitizer country's image, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: But Oscar made a point to speak to the fighters
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and say, like, yo, you gotta be be careful and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: read your contracts to see if you need to get
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: out of zoof for boxing contracts when the money drives up.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I think if Dana White has a chance to make
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: money and by underpaying boxers specifically, he'll stay around forever.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I mean the model work with him for UFC, as
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: long as he gets to do whatever the hell he
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: wants with boxing and screw over. Let's let's be real here,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: he'll he'll hang around. Now, Yes, ZUFA is funded by
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the saudiast but I can't imagine that if that money
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: drives up that Dana White doesn't have, you know, research,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: He's also has a shit little money himself, right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Well, so yeah, he's good regardless because he got part
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of the original UFC sale and everything, so he's good.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Like he's always gonna be fonky the UFC. I'm not
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the biggest fan of it, but people like it a lot.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: People buy merge, they go to fights, they stream fights,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: all nine. It will never go out of style. There'll
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: always be somebody ready to fight that kind of fight.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So he'll always have a league or a business. But
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: with that being said, things do change and there's more
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: sports that young people are playing than ever before. We
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: have people playing hockey, we got people playing volleyball, soccer,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the whole whole nine. So just the whole Oh, I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: don't play any of the main sports, I'm gonna go fight.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that goes with the younger generation.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I know what our generation was to where if you
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: didn't play basketball, football, baseball and like mixed up a
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: little bit, you fought that when you box, you wrestle whatever,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and you end up in UFC or whatever. But I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: don't know going forward in the future. I'm very curious
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: about the UFC because yes' always be guys lining up
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to fight, But I don't think it's gonna be the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: same as well was with our generation. I could be wrong,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: but I don't think so. So with him, he's always
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: looking for avenues to make money. He has a slat
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: box league. He's in the boxing as well as UFC,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: so there's ventures he's gonna try well.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And UFC is still popular, it's still cool, and it
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: still has a lot of draw. I personally don't think
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: it's cool, but you know, the people do, it's a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: big draw. So when young fighters, if they don't want
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: to do leg boxing and they want to do just
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: fist boxing and they know Dana Whites involved, they know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they're UFC fans. Sean Porter is speaking of
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: which he mentioned in my interview with him that a
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: lot of UFCS guys love boxers and that he learned
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: to get into the sport because he wanted to support
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: them as well, because there's he said, there was a
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: lot of UFC guys that knew exactly who he was
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and knew his record and followed him. So I think
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: it's it's unfortunate that if you know, a young person,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: maybe just a young fighter who wants to get into boxing,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: kind of sees a recognizable name, But young guys like
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, we're we're old heads. Of
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: course we remember Oscar, we saw Oscar fight, you remember,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you know his his brand, But is he relevant to
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: the kids these days as much as he used to?
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think so well, depend I think he's relevant to.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Real hardcore boxing fans and then probably younger Mexican fans
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: just based off of his background. But it's very and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not delivered to speak on it, but there's a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: complicated history between Oscar and Mexican people when it comes
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to boxing and how he portrayed him himself doing his
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: prime and whatnot. Again, I'm not liberty to go in
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: detail about that. That's what that's above my pay grade.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I'm allowing you to go into detail all But with
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that being said, it's fascinating because Oscar is so popular
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: during his heyday, like he had McDonald's commercials. Well, that
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: being said, though, I'm very fascinated by that because yes,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I think Mexican families would definitely talk about Oscar one
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: way or another to the children people. I don't know
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: if it's like that with the majority of the other
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: people though, I don't know, but boxing people absolutely.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do have some thoughts that I'll get
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: into on that in Oscar History and legacy. But yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I am really positioning this conversation as an
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Oscar versus data situation because it seems like Oscar's the
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: one that's gone hardest against him. Eddie Hern has made
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: some complaints or you know, taken some shots of Data White,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: but it's not the same like Oscar straight up, like
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I think he hates that man. He talks mad shit
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: about Dana Why constantly and has been doing it for months,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and he seems to be sort of like, uh, like
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I said, if the if the fight is between Oscar
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and Dana White, I'm gonna take Oscar side one hundred
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: percent of the time. Yeah, So in my mind, I've
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: sort of put them as like, uh, just natural rivals
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: and in the business side of if that makes sense. Yeah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: so that's kind of one I wanted to have this
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: conversation specifically about them too, and you know, yeah, just
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I'm very curious to see if you know, young fighters
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: if if of course, there's a lot of different options
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: with promoters and this and that, but if you put
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Dana White and Oscar in front of them as who
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: you would want to sign with, I don't know. Yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I mean you might be right, you know, young Mexican
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: fighters might be wreck no no Oscar's name from the
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: family history, et cetera. But again, Dana's the guy. The
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: guy that's popular now UFC is popular today, So I
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: don't know, it's it's it's hard to say. So I'll
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: be very interested to see, Like I don't see Oscar
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: backing down on his you know, criticism of Dana White
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: on his you know attacks. Let's just make it clear.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: He now, he did say. What's funny is that when
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: he said I'll work with the nay promoter, even if
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: it has to be Dana that's totally fine, and he
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: said we'll both be on the stage, I think people
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: might be more interested between the rivalry between him and
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: me than the actual fighters, which is kind of true. Man.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I actually that might get me. I don't usually watch
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: press conferences. I always just you know, want to see
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the fight, that's what matters most. But I would be
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: interested to see what's going on between Oscar and Dana
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: White if they're both standing on that stage next to
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: their fighters. No, I agree with you, but also think
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: about like this too.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: When it comes to Dana White has also worked with
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: at the time Floyd was he was his.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Own thing with his own promotion company.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: But he Dana White's been in these boxing type of negotiations,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: so he knows how the bits has worked. If there's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a way to make money, he's going to find a
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: way to do it. That's one thing I will say
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: about Dana White. He is a hustler. He is a gambler.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I will say that. I do know people who know
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: him in the city. They've all had relatively good experiences
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: with him. So I can't say anything negative about like
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that about him per se. But when it comes making money,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: he's going to find a way. So if he if
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: he sees a way to market something and make it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: bigger than what it might be or could be, he's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: going to be there. So I think marketing wise, he's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: very good. How he does his business with the UFC,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I think is our biggest issue with him, amongst other things.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to actual.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Actual sport of boxing, I think we're more concerned than
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: trying to UFC things or they're trying to muscle his
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: way in and try and change the way things are
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: done in boxing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I think that's our biggest concern at the moment.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Sure, and I think this is I personally think it's
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: kind of unfortunate, is that if the Saudi money is
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: still being it still is coming in at the rated
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: it is. They're backing him. I think a lot of
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: the boxing world is gonna differ because money talks, you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: That's that's what basically will go around. The only person
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: who might be a stop gap is Oscar because he's
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the only one who doesn't you know, it seemed to
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: he's not intimidated. He's not you know, he doesn't have
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: to worry about, you know, all this money that that
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: is coming in. He seems to be doing just fine
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: as a promoter, as a celebrity, et cetera. So yeah,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I mean that that's kind of been, like I said,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: my my thought process in the last few I would
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: say it really solidified it for me in the last
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: week when this whole season, this thing came through. Is
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: that like, oh yeah, this guy really really wants to
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: be sort of a buffer to whatever Dana White wants
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: to do. If it's if it's not by the rules,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: you know, let's say that, if it's not by the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: by the by the playbook. With that said, I wanted
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to take this opportunity to mention and talk a little
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: bit more about Oscar, specifically, especially my history with him.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I guess you could call it. I don't know, maybe
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: like a public apology. But yeah, growing up, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: my family was a Julos as such have his family.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: You know, my both my parents were from They were
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: born in Mexico. I was born in the US, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: they were from Mexico. And what you mentioned earlier, and
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: this is the thing that pretty much everybody knows Oscar, Yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: he's Mexican American, and he was sort of ridiculed a
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: lot for not being Mexican enough. You know, he didn't
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: speak Spanish. You know, he wore the pink polo shirts,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: he like golf. You know, he was honestly made to
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: seem very effeminate. Like you know, they and I'll just
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: say it, they just called him that he was a
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: gay guy, but not because they really believed that as
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: an insult. That was back when you know, just being
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: called gay was the was the insult of choice. And
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it's terrible, you know. And as a kid when Oscar
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you know was coming up, as in the mid to
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: late nineties, you know, I was born we were born
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: in eighty six, so I was not even a teenager there.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: And you know, like with a any other sport, like
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: with politics, you know, you support her, your parents support
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you know, and I as a kid, I was like, man,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: screw this Oscar guy. Like I'm a Chabas kid, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: We're a Chavis family. And I now, as an adult,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I regret the shit out of it, honestly, because Oscar
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: was a punchline in my family specifically, and in a
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: lot of Mexican families. And I think that sucks because
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I missed out on, you know, following Oscar's career, his
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: prime fights. Now you know, I've gone back since and
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, this guy, this guy actually was
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: a great fighter. You know, there's a reason he was
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: such a big star. And I really kind of regret
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: sort of wasting that time not being an Oscar de
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: la Aya fan, because I was a dumb kid, a
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: dumb baby, you know what I mean. Has that happened
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: with you? Is there anything with you growing up, your
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: family or who you supported that You're like, this guy
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: sucks and kind of later regretted.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Nah, because I was always able to. I was always
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: able to kind of have my own mom, an own fandom.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: So I mean, my dad loved Mike Tyson and he
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: loved other fighters as well, but it wasn't a you
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: gotta be this or else.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: It was never that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, Oscar's big for a lot of reasons for me,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: because he's from southern California.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Obviously he fought a lot.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And remember, being young, we always hear about going to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Vegas as like a vacation, a great time, etcetera, etcetera.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: So when you would hear older people going to go
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: see Oscar fights, you're Shane fight whomever fight in Vegas,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Tyson fighting, et cetera. That was like a big deal
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to us. So seeing Oscar fight so much in my youth,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: it brings back a great time in life because knowing
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: him fighting, he's fighting somebody good. And also he would
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: fight at minimum twice a year, sometimes three times a year.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing I will always say about Oscar,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: all the jokes aside, he fought everyone. He fought everyone,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and he fought often. Now he may have had to
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: fight through to financial reasons, that's a whole different thing,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: but he fought everyone and he put his best foot forward.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: He didn't cheat you, and he yo, he's the guy
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: who wrote the blueprint for Floyd. Like with all the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: stuff Floyd's going through now, that's his own business. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: don't really want to get to that, but in terms
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of the making money part and the pay per view start,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Oscar wrote that playbook like Floyd took that, but Oscar
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: was the one who started that, being the marketable guy,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: being the guy people tuned into fighting everybody. Like you said,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he didn't have the Mexican look that we're accustomed to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: being sold from America and all that stuff is way
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: different than what Oscar was, especially back then thirty years ago.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It's way way different. So when you see Oscar, like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you said, where polo shirts that aren't like whatever rescent
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: colors that you see him, you know, play golf, play,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: interact with other celebrities that don't necessarily look like boxing
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: fans and have commercials and all this, and that it's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: way way different. Like you mentioned, Listeners was not that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Frand of Argus was not that. Who's at the era
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of that, you know, uh, both
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Mark Marquees was not that.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Eric Rounds was not that so Oscar.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: He was in the land of his own, but at
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the same time he was so damn good, like fast
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: thing he's got. We remember him for the other stuff
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: more than his boxing. He was a really fucking good boxer,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't get brought up enough. We forget about
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: We think about the pictures and the promotion and all this,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and that, Nah man oscar a boxer. Man, Nah, he
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: was really he was really good, very very good.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And that's the kind of thing that,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: you know, is frustrating that people's like, oh, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: he's he's yeah, playing golf, he's interacting with celebrities, he's
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't seem like your typical Mexican boxer,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: et cetera. But he could fight, so that's all that
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: matters at the end of the day. You know, he
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't he wasn't Dilly Dell. He wasn't Jake Pauling in
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: the world of boxing, you know what I mean.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Oh no, And he he could actually box, so he
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: actually had plans in the ring. He can adjust, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: he can play defense a little bit, like he would
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: move his head, hand speed, like.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: He was a really he was a very very like.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I can't stress how important he is to the sport
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: because here's the thing you don't realize. After Tyson's situation happened,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: with the ear and everything, there was a gap of
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: who's gonna actually sell fights because holy Field got old.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Lynx Lewis was cool, but he wasn't a huge draw
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: like that. He wasn't a pay per view guy. He
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: was an HBO guy, so it wasn't a huge pay
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: per view guy. So when it came to my pay
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: per views and mega fights, Oscar was kind of the guy.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Like looking back on it, Oscar was a guy doing
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: pay per views and having big fights. I mean he
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: fought mostly twice, uh he I mean, he just fought
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: so many guys and it was every year he was
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: fighting so often and he was really doing well. So
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: with all that being said, it's very similar to Canelo
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: in a sense to where he five thought and he
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: fought down to everyone, didn't really duck anyone per se.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: But the the image is one thing, right, Like you say,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: being from Mexico is way different than being from.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: The US and being of Mexican descent.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: That's a very good thing you said a couple of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: shows ago, and that is stuck with me easy this
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: day because the support each guy gets us different and
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you can tell the passion behind one or the other
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: is way way different.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: But that's just how it is, and there's no change
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: in that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: People will say, you know, well, I still hate Oscar
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: for beating who does Sef Chavz? You know, here's my
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: hero too. But I'm not even gonna say that. I'll
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: just say, yeah, I was a bummer. It's a bumber
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to see my guy, you know, lose. But I feel
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: like if I were older and not a dumb baby,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: like I said, my response would have been, my guy
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: had his time. Here's the new guy, like, let's let's
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: follow this new guy. And you know, there's no and
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: there's no reason not to be a fan of him
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: in the ring, what all the other stuff outside of
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: the ring, personal life and again the I'll just I
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: can't stress it enough. You know. The best way you
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: can describe it as him being a punchline. All of that.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: That's fine too, whatever you want to, you know, make
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: him a punch that doesn't matter. You can't deny his skills,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: and you can't deny his career and the influence of
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: the sport. And to the point where, I don't know
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: if you know this, Ja, but he actually started he
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: recorded music, like he recorded an album of Mariiacci music.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Did you ever know that I was not aware of that.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I remember. I remember when he was on TV in
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the Mariacci outfit with the hat, and I remember just thinking, like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: this guy's joke. This guy is a loser, this guy's ridiculous.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: He looks ridiculous. It's kind of the mindset of me
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: and my entire family. And here's the thing, Like sometime
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: last year, I put on a couple of those songs
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I'd never actually heard him sing. They're pretty good. He
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: actually doesn't say he's not a bad singer.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: The songs actually are catchy, Like that's stuff that you know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: kind of Mexican pop music that I would listen to anyway.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: So even like that, I'm like, what what was I doing?
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I was so unfair to the guy, And uh, you know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I kind of want to because I take this opportunity
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: just to put it out there and say that, yeah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I kind of regret not not becoming an Oscar fan
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: and just kind of letting that cultural divide, you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: take take me along with it, you know, to be
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: stator on that, but you know it happens. You kind
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: of just said go with the flow, and then you
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: know which with your parents support you support, and you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't see I didn't see a reason not to
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: do that back then, you know, being whatever got like
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: ten eleven years old whatever it was when when Oscar
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: was fighting. So yeah, I mean, I.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Think he.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Definitely want to take this opportunity to give him his due.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I think he definitely has has gotten more respect, even
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: from you know, Mexicans who didn't see him as Mexican UF.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I think everybody speaks of him sort of with respect
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: like you do, in terms of his skills and his legacy. Right,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know. I mean, I uh, I
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: think like I think, if I had a time machine,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I would do two things. I would tell myself not
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: to give that and to tell myself to definitely not
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: listen to my mother, who I love. But it's kind
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: of an asshole sometimes I say that lovingly, but just say, yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: you know, I I definitely am gonna follow this guy's
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: career and you know, not not miss out on on
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: prime prime era of a great, great fighter. So respect
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: to Oscar can be very annoying, but you know you
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: can't deny no matter what. I'm still a fan of
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: him today and I've gone back to watch a lot
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: of those fights, and man, the skills are undeniable, the
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: talent is undeniable. But that's pretty much all I had.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Let's wrap it up. Jameson where can people find you
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: on social media?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Twitter, at leet Jamison, I'll be checking out threads
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: every blue moon. But yeah, I've just been checking stuff out.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I'll be around, I said, summertime as hot.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I is really hot. So I'm inside a lot. You
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: can see i'seide a whole lot. So I'm the sign.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: So for the notes, it's already going to wait it
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: out here.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: It's pretty terribly here too. Yeah, I'm I'm inside until
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: a happy hour hits and then you know, then I'll
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: go inside the bar. So just there's short distance between
• 39:20
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