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How Will Ohio State's Postseason Coaching Turnover Impact Recruiting? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: dot com. There's a lot going on around the Ohio
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Speaker 1: State football program right now as we wait the official
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Speaker 1: naming of ohios Date's new offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, offensive
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Speaker 1: line coach, and any other positions they decided to change up.
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Speaker 1: And there's going to be a lot of impact on
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Speaker 1: those positions, not only on the on field product, but
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Speaker 1: also on the recruiting front. So in today's episode, you're
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Speaker 1: going to let you hear from Mark Gifler and Kevin
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Speaker 1: Noon on an episode of the Skull Session recruiting podcast,
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, welcome to the Skull Session Recruiting podcast, brought
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Speaker 3: to you by Buckeyehuddle dot Com. I'm Mark Givler, got
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Speaker 3: Kevin in with me here.
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Speaker 4: It's been a minute.
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Speaker 3: We were covering a playoff run. As you may have
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Speaker 3: heard may have heard, the buck Eyes did win the
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Speaker 3: national championship last month, so we've been quite busy with that,
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Speaker 3: and so we got to get caught up on some
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Speaker 3: stuff here and I get back to a regular recruiting schedule.
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Speaker 3: But I think the big topic right now, obviously with
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Speaker 3: this the dead period or with the calendar going into
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Speaker 3: a dead period now for the rest of the month,
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Speaker 3: the big topic right now is Ohio State's coaching changes
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Speaker 3: and of course how that could impact the buck Eyes
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Speaker 3: on the recruiting front. Three openings. As of the time
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Speaker 3: we're recording this, we know this is fluid. We know
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Speaker 3: we could hear news even before this is even posted
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Speaker 3: on one of the three openings or more. But right
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Speaker 3: now it's three openings, two coordinator positions, and offensive line coach. So, Kevin,
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Speaker 3: I guess, first of all, you've followed the team for
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Speaker 3: many years. You covered team for many years, covered recruiting,
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Speaker 3: you know pretty closely for many years. What are these
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Speaker 3: things usually mean for a program, especially when we're talking
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Speaker 3: about I think it's important distinction to make here is
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Speaker 3: that these are This is not a rebuild of a
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Speaker 3: program where they just fired a four and eight coach
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Speaker 3: and all the coaches have scattered. This is a program
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Speaker 3: just won a national title and had three assistants take massive,
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Speaker 3: massive leaps, whether it be in pay, whether whatever it
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Speaker 3: may be, especially Fry and Chip Kelly who tripled his salary.
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Speaker 3: Good for him. So, Chip, if you want to sponsor
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Speaker 3: the show at a point we can have the Las
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Speaker 3: Vegas Raiders sponsor this.
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Speaker 4: You may, you know, reach out to me, but you
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Speaker 4: know what, what.
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Speaker 2: Does this mean?
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Speaker 3: I think in general for O High State, what's can
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Speaker 3: be the important factors here in the next few weeks.
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Speaker 3: What's on the agenda? I guess for Ryan Day and
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Speaker 3: the Buckeyes from a Cree aspect.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot to unpack right there. Obviously, we just
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Speaker 5: have to look at Nick Saban and what happened with
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Speaker 5: his coaching tree at Alabama. You don't go after coaches
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Speaker 5: that are on five and seven type of teams. You
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Speaker 5: go after the coaches who are the hot names. And
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Speaker 5: Ohio State is, as you said, at this moment, has
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Speaker 5: the three vacancies and you know, losing both of its coordinators.
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Speaker 5: You know one already you know is going to be
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Speaker 5: in conference. So that's going to be interesting with Jim Knowles.
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Speaker 5: But that is kind of the price you pay for
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Speaker 5: being a top flight program. Let's not forget that. In
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Speaker 5: twenty fourteen, Ohio State's most recent national championship prior Tom
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Speaker 5: Herman had already accepted the Houston head coaching job.
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Speaker 2: At that point.
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Speaker 5: There are pictures of him on the field postgame after
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Speaker 5: wearing his Ohio State hat, wearing his UH hat. So
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Speaker 5: it's it's and I'm even going to go back to
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Speaker 5: two thousand and two, and then I'll get into the
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Speaker 5: recruiting aspect. I know, I'm kind of getting off trail here.
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Speaker 5: One of the most impressive things that I will say
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Speaker 5: until the day I die about Jim Trussell is he
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Speaker 5: was able to have as much success as he did
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Speaker 5: and really did not lose many assistants along the way.
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Speaker 5: So it leads me to believe that Jim Trussell did everything.
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Speaker 5: So to do all of that kind of single handedly,
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Speaker 5: you know, really, you know, raises my you know, my
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Speaker 5: thoughts on him, not that they were ever low, but
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Speaker 5: you know, so you know, to get back to now
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Speaker 5: in terms of recruiting, we're doing a show. As the
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Speaker 5: time we're recording this two days before National Signing Day,
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Speaker 5: we're not talking about National Signing Day. Fortunately for Ohio State,
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Speaker 5: a's in the barn classes signed. I mean, I guess
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Speaker 5: guys could like sue to get out of the class.
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Speaker 5: I mean if really you know where that you know
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Speaker 5: hurt or you know, disillusioned by all of that. But
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Speaker 5: Ohio State also is, you know, just won the national championship,
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Speaker 5: so that's going to go a long way to fix things.
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Speaker 5: I think Ohio State needs to be mindful in its pursuit. Now,
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Speaker 5: if Ohio State decides to elevate Maceiery, then fine, you
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Speaker 5: have your continuity everything else. I don't think you necessarily
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Speaker 5: have to drag it out. I would rather see, you know,
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Speaker 5: as an Ohio State person, I would rather see them
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Speaker 5: take a little bit more time and get to get
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Speaker 5: it right than race to get somebody in that position
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Speaker 5: for fear of falling behind on Sam Grear or somebody
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Speaker 5: like that. Sam Greer is in Ohio and he still,
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Speaker 5: you know, suddenly has not been moved out of the
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Speaker 5: state of Ohio. I mean, yeah, maybe you're going to
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Speaker 5: lose a little bit of momentum.
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Speaker 2: That just that's just happens. I just you got to
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Speaker 2: be used to that.
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Speaker 5: So you know, if Ohios it's going to get to
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Speaker 5: the level of where everybody wants it to be a
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Speaker 5: perennial national champion. You know, this isn't going This isn't
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Speaker 5: a one year exercise. I mean, coordinators for twenty five.
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Speaker 5: If somehow they repeat and win again, they're going to
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Speaker 5: be hot names too. So you know, look at you know,
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Speaker 5: look at Alabama, look at what Nick Saban had to do.
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Speaker 5: I mean even look at Uga losing Dan Lanning to
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Speaker 5: Oregon after after their national championship. It's you know, it's
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Speaker 5: just the way that it works.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, definitely, this is part of what comes
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Speaker 3: to the territory of being a top five program, of
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Speaker 3: being a national champion. As your people are gonna want
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Speaker 3: your coaches. I actually think this happened. It's never ideal,
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Speaker 3: there's no there's no like great time for this to happen.
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Speaker 3: I think February from a recruiting standpoint, I think February
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Speaker 3: is the month that most benefits of high estate their
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Speaker 3: entire classes signed. They aren't going after late signing period guys,
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Speaker 3: they've got guys in the portal all he signed it
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Speaker 3: on campus, They've got and these kids have no ability
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Speaker 3: to make visits to other programs for like four more weeks.
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Speaker 3: So it's not like, while you're shuffling your staff around
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Speaker 3: and trying to figure this out, that Sam Greer is
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Speaker 3: going to be able to visit a bunch of you know,
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Speaker 3: Penn State in Michigan and all these other contenders here
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Speaker 3: over the next four weeks.
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Speaker 4: His visits are done.
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Speaker 3: I wasn't Florida State this past week right for the
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Speaker 3: dead period ended or began, so Max Riley can't go
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Speaker 3: as Clemson the rest of this month. They are in
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Speaker 3: a position now where it's gonna be hard for teams
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Speaker 3: to get some type of upper hand or upper edge
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Speaker 3: here over the next month because those teams cannot get
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Speaker 3: these kids on campus. So that's what makes this an
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Speaker 3: ideal time for Ohio State to have to go through
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Speaker 3: something like this. Now the key is going to also
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Speaker 3: be Ryan Day reaching out to all these guys, Sam Greer,
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Speaker 3: Max Riley, all the end state linemen. We talk about
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Speaker 3: a Champs Smith, especially down in Florida, who I think
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Speaker 3: was was especially a little bit upset with the news
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Speaker 3: of Justin Fry leaving. You know, he also had a
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Speaker 3: good relationship with Mike s Lynn, who went to UNLV,
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Speaker 3: which Justin Fry's graduate assistant OL coach. So he's lost
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Speaker 3: his two position guys, and like I said just a
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Speaker 3: minute ago, he probably took this harder than most. So
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Speaker 3: you get Ryan alphone with him and you you, you know,
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Speaker 3: you say, hey, We're going to continue to build our
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Speaker 3: relationship because I'm the head coach and I'm going to
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Speaker 3: be here and and I'm also gonna go out and
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Speaker 3: find you know, I found I got Justin Fry here
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Speaker 3: and he went off to the NFL. I'm going to
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Speaker 3: find the next Justin Fry or whoever you know, the
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Speaker 3: best offensive line coach I can find, however you want
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Speaker 3: to phrase it, and you're gonna be happy with who
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Speaker 3: I hire, I promise, and they're going to immediately reach
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Speaker 3: out to you and we're gonna, you know, we're gonna
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Speaker 3: immediately start getting that relationship fixed or repaired. And uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, Champ told me he's coming up in the spring,
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Speaker 3: very likely coming up in the Spring's working on out
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Speaker 3: with his dad in terms of building out his spring
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Speaker 3: visit schedule. But so that's kind of where Ryan Day's
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Speaker 3: at right now, is he's got to be the bridge
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Speaker 3: to the new Hires. He's got to pick up the
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Speaker 3: slack a little bit on recruiting, building relationships with these
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Speaker 3: kids in terms of impact, Like here's here's my thing.
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Speaker 3: And this is not to take shots on the way out,
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Speaker 3: because I actually think all three of these guys did
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Speaker 3: a really good job this year. But if we ranked
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Speaker 3: Ohio States recruiters one to ten on the assistant coaches list,
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Speaker 3: how far would we have to go before we got
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Speaker 3: to one of these three guys.
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Speaker 2: Seven? Eight?
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Speaker 5: You know, it could be eight ninety ten, it could
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Speaker 5: be you know, seven.
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Speaker 3: Like Jim Knowles didn't recruit anybody. I can't think of
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Speaker 3: one recruit that Jim Noles was primary on that they've signed.
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Speaker 3: I can't think of one. His job was to coordinate
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Speaker 3: the defense and the position coaches did the vast majority
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Speaker 3: of the recruiting, and he would meet with kids on
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Speaker 3: campus and he would go to some high school during
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Speaker 3: the spring, but he was not heavily involved in recruiting.
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Speaker 3: Justin Fry's issues with out of state recruiting are well documented.
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Speaker 3: I would have him above Knowles and above chip Kelly,
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Speaker 3: who never really I mean, they had Tavi in Saint Clair.
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Speaker 3: He was helpful in getting Brady Edmunds, but as Brady
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Speaker 3: Edmunds told me, he's a Buckeye no matter what wish.
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Speaker 3: Is chip Kelly the best. But Brady Edmond's decision went
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Speaker 3: beyond that of playing in the chip Kelly offense. So
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Speaker 3: your coordinators were again were brought in to fix the
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Speaker 3: offense and defense respectively. Like coordinate the defense. These were
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Speaker 3: not your your top recruiters, and then Justin Fry was
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Speaker 3: again was not really your top position coach recruiter by
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Speaker 3: any means. So like you can REPLA Lacey, these guys
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Speaker 3: from a recruiting I think the horror part is going
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Speaker 3: to be replacing these guys from a schematics and just
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Speaker 3: a teaching Stampot. I think Chikai is a really brilliant
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Speaker 3: offensive mind. And Justin Frida did a really good job
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Speaker 3: with the O line this year, and Jim Knowle's obviously
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Speaker 3: did a good job with the defense this year. So
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Speaker 3: like that to me is going to be the bigger
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Speaker 3: piece of this puzzle. And this is a recruiting podcast.
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Speaker 3: We're gonn talk about recruiting. I don't think the recruiting
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Speaker 3: impact here is going to be severe. Like let's go
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Speaker 3: down the list now, who can do this right now?
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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously they have some hires to make it,
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Speaker 3: like Brian Hartline, James Laurnidis, mc greary, Tim Walton, Larry Johnson,
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Speaker 3: Carlos Laughlan.
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Speaker 2: So there's six oh Bailey Keenan.
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Speaker 3: Bailey or or the three that left, or any of
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Speaker 3: those three better than any of those seven at recruiting.
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Speaker 4: I don't think they are.
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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Speaker 5: I mean there may be people who questioned Guieri because
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Speaker 5: his name doesn't get mentioned enough, but.
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Speaker 3: Handedly sound we'll not single handed, but the South of
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Speaker 3: spahem Delayne, right, but they punted pair Eliano right at
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Speaker 3: crunch time for Fahim Delayne And I talked to Fahim
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Speaker 3: about that. I've quoted him on it on the site before,
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Speaker 3: Like Fahima was like, yeah, garyy was the first coach
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Speaker 3: Sat reached out to me. He was right on top
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Speaker 3: of it, like as like as soon as he came in,
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Speaker 3: I was the first recruit he talked to. Like he
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Speaker 3: has done a really good job with the safeties.
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Speaker 5: I just has a pr agent to sit there right
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Speaker 5: now to you know, the pressions as the recruiter or
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Speaker 5: some of the other guys.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: So, but like again from a recruiting stand with this
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Speaker 3: is this is all replaceable, fixable. This is not devastating
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Speaker 3: to recruiting. And as I mentioned on the live show
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Speaker 3: last night, they have four commits in twenty six, Like
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Speaker 3: two of them are receivers. They're not losing any receivers,
12:43
Speaker 3: while Brian Hartline is still here. So there's two guys
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Speaker 3: who're not losing. Like you don't even have a quarterback yet,
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Speaker 3: so to worry about like the offensive coordinator. You know,
12:52
Speaker 3: you're still going through that shuffle, you know. So there's
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Speaker 3: a lot that's just not impacted.
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Speaker 4: By this from a recruiting standpoint. And again, if we
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Speaker 4: were doing.
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Speaker 3: A show on schematics, and Nexus and those right now
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Speaker 3: and on the team and everything else, which is for
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Speaker 3: another different show, but we might be having a different
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Speaker 3: discussion right now.
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Speaker 4: But from a recruiting standpoint, I just I don't see
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Speaker 4: where this is like devastating.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 5: I think that the biggest thing is it's the uncertainty.
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Speaker 5: It's the uncertainty. You'll let you gend a little secret.
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Speaker 5: Ohio State will hire coaches. They're not going to sit
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Speaker 5: there and be like, now we're good with seven, we'll
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Speaker 5: we'll just figure it out at that point. They will
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Speaker 5: hire coaches. You know, time will tell if they're the
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Speaker 5: right hires or the wrong hires or whatever. But you know,
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Speaker 5: I can't necessarily say that. You know, I have a
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Speaker 5: huge file cabinet filled with bad Ryan Day hires. There
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Speaker 5: were some some of that didn't work.
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Speaker 2: We know that.
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Speaker 5: I mean you do the same for Urban, the same
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Speaker 5: for trusts, same for Coop. I mean, it just it happens.
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Speaker 2: So I think the.
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Speaker 5: Only loss right now on the recruiting front is just
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Speaker 5: the certainty. Yes, we're in a dead period. People here
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Speaker 5: dead They think that means that there's no contact. That's
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Speaker 5: not exactly what a dead period means. I'll you know,
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Speaker 5: I'll let Mark explain that situation after I give my
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Speaker 5: thought here. But it's it's a case of you are
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Speaker 5: not necessarily able, I think, to advance relationships with the
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Speaker 5: position coach because the head coach is all well and good,
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Speaker 5: but you're going to spend more time with your position coach.
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Speaker 5: And that's that's your right or die guy right there.
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Speaker 5: And one last point I'll make in here before Mark
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Speaker 5: and jump in with what a dead period is is
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Speaker 5: that's why it's so important to have such a great
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Speaker 5: personnel department and you know the Mark Pantoni led uh,
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Speaker 5: you know personnel department that Ohio State has to get
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Speaker 5: all these ducks in a row to get Ryan Day
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Speaker 5: pointed in the right direction. And you know, limited hours
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Speaker 5: of where you can do stuff. You know, we need
14:52
Speaker 5: you to talk to this kid and this kid and
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Speaker 5: this kid. All of that's very important too. And Ohio
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Speaker 5: State has a tremendous infrastructure from Pantoni all the way down.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like the reality with the dead period is essentially,
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Speaker 3: you know, there can be you can have phone calls,
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Speaker 3: there can be phone communication, so they can talk on
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Speaker 3: the phone with coaches, but you can't make any in
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Speaker 3: person contact. So coaches can't be on the road this
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Speaker 3: month visiting high schools, and players cannot go to college
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Speaker 3: campuses and.
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Speaker 4: Visit with coaches.
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Speaker 3: So the only communication really happen right now is via
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Speaker 3: phone call, and yeah, you're losing some time on that,
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Speaker 3: but you know again, that's where Ryan Day helps you
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Speaker 3: bridge the gap and you go in and you tell
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Speaker 3: these guys, look, we're going to have a hire soon.
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Speaker 4: Well let's know as soon as we do, and you're
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Speaker 4: gonna like it. It's gonna be good. We're you know,
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Speaker 4: we're not gonna we're not going to bring in, you know.
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Speaker 3: Some high school coach who's never coached college, like, we're
15:41
Speaker 3: going to have an experience they head offsive line coach
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Speaker 3: or the defensive coordinator, whatever it's going to be, who's
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Speaker 3: either been here and been through the system, or we're
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Speaker 3: bringing them in from the outside from the NFL or
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Speaker 3: from another big time program like this is not going
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Speaker 3: to be a nothing higher. So that's that's all Ryan
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Speaker 3: Day can do right now, and just make sure you
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Speaker 3: tell the guys he's there for him. I actually think again,
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Speaker 3: with the coordinators, I don't think anything's lost here. Recruiting wise,
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Speaker 3: despite justin fries maybe shortcomings as a recruiter. I do
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Speaker 3: think that's where the area of concern is going to
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Speaker 3: be right now, with all these in state guys and
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Speaker 3: with the guy like Champ Smith.
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Speaker 4: I've talked to Max Riley.
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Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't like he was thrilled about the news,
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Speaker 3: but he said, yeah, I'm going to give the new
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Speaker 3: guy every chance. He's down in Ohio State and Clemson,
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Speaker 3: so it's not ideal timing with him being down to
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Speaker 3: two like that, But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: I do think Max wants to end up at Ohio State.
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Speaker 3: I think people around him would prefer him at Ohio State,
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Speaker 3: and I think as long as the new O line
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Speaker 3: coach makes that a priority upon being announced, that I
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Speaker 3: think that that that can be pretty easily fixable. Sam
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Speaker 3: Greer was probably a little bit more upset, but Sam
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Speaker 3: Ger said the same thing to me, is like, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to come back down and visit after the dead
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Speaker 3: period's over and meet with the new coach and listen
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Speaker 3: to you know, hear him out. Greer seems a little
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Speaker 3: further or a little less far along than Max Riley.
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Speaker 3: Greer's a little more open right now. I still think
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Speaker 3: that's gonna be a higher state Penn State, Michigan. We'll see.
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Speaker 3: I mean, some other schools could sneak in there, for sure,
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Speaker 3: but those are the three I kind of look at
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Speaker 3: with him right now, and he seems like on maybe
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Speaker 3: on a further timeline than.
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Speaker 4: Than Max Riley. And then you worry about the guys.
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Speaker 4: Some of the outstate guys, you can kind of reach
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Speaker 4: out to them and make sure everything's there. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: so like you just kind of have to.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 3: You just you tell the guys this is this hire
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Speaker 3: is gonna be made relatively soon. And you know, I'm
17:31
Speaker 3: sure there's plenty of good candidates out there that Ryan
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Speaker 3: Dickins said, We've got great candidates. We're gonna find the
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Speaker 3: best one, and you're gonna you're gonna be happy with it.
17:37
Speaker 3: We promise we're gonna hire someone you want to play for.
17:40
Speaker 3: And that's kind of how you leave it. And you know, again,
17:44
Speaker 3: there's only about two weeks of this to go through
17:45
Speaker 3: and it's a dead period, so uh, this staff will
17:48
Speaker 3: be finalized two three weeks, right, I mean, this is
17:51
Speaker 3: gonna be six weeks, This is gonna be two or
17:55
Speaker 3: three weeks, probably this whole thing will be finalized unless
17:57
Speaker 3: there's another domino effect that would I guess you shouldn't
18:02
Speaker 3: quite say that after Bill O'Brien last year, But yeah,
18:05
Speaker 3: like this, this is not gonna be like a super
18:07
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a blip on the timeline of a
18:10
Speaker 3: recruiting process basically, So that's where that's gonna stand. But again,
18:15
Speaker 3: I think just shoring up those offensive line relationships right
18:17
Speaker 3: now with Ryan Day is gonna be important, and then
18:19
Speaker 3: you let the coordinators come in and kind of do
18:21
Speaker 3: their thing. If again they're inside HighRes, If Brian Hartline
18:25
Speaker 3: gets elevated, if McCreery gets elevated, whoever it might be,
18:28
Speaker 3: then those guys have an even bigger leg up because
18:32
Speaker 3: they've been in the program.
18:33
Speaker 4: So we'll see what they do again.
18:36
Speaker 3: I expect co coordinators on both sides of the ball
18:39
Speaker 3: at this point, especially on defense. I think McCreary is
18:41
Speaker 3: gonna again at least be a co coordinator, and then
18:44
Speaker 3: we'll see if is he a co coordinator? Learning further
18:47
Speaker 3: under a veteran they bring in to to actually call
18:50
Speaker 3: the defense? Was Gariery call the defense and bringing a
18:52
Speaker 3: veteran to support him in that, because maybe that's the
18:56
Speaker 3: way to look at it, because Gariery has called a
18:58
Speaker 3: defense before, not at the level of Ohio State, but
19:00
Speaker 3: he's called a powerful conference. So maybe you bring in
19:04
Speaker 3: an older guy or a more experienced guy.
19:06
Speaker 2: To a great Madison type.
19:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like to guide the situation versus coming and
19:11
Speaker 3: take over the defensive coordinator job.
19:12
Speaker 4: But you know, we'll see what Ryan Day decides to
19:15
Speaker 4: do there.
19:16
Speaker 3: But I think are Areas a good bet to be
19:19
Speaker 3: at least a co coordinator on next your's staff. But yeah,
19:23
Speaker 3: other than that, like I said, it's a dead period,
19:25
Speaker 3: Like these kids can't You're not going to see all
19:28
Speaker 3: of the high states targets visiting Michigan and Penn State
19:30
Speaker 3: and Florida State and Miami and Oregon and Texas this
19:33
Speaker 3: month that they can't.
19:34
Speaker 4: So this is the time to have to go through this.
19:37
Speaker 5: Well A somebody said on the Live show on Sunday
19:40
Speaker 5: Night too, it would have been better if this happened
19:42
Speaker 5: in December. No, it would no, I mean, because you
19:45
Speaker 5: were in you were in a title chase at that point.
19:48
Speaker 5: I mean, and again I'm not trying to in.
19:50
Speaker 4: The portal and you were trying to figure out the.
19:52
Speaker 2: Portal too, right.
19:53
Speaker 5: I mean, it's there's no great time to lose both
19:57
Speaker 5: your coordinators and uh and and assistant coach. But if
20:03
Speaker 5: we were to sit there and rank the months, I
20:06
Speaker 5: really don't know if there's anything. I think February is
20:09
Speaker 5: number one of the best month for that to happen
20:12
Speaker 5: in my power rankings of looking at the calendar based
20:15
Speaker 5: on you know, the recruiting aspects and you know, and
20:17
Speaker 5: to take it take it wider. I mean, you haven't
20:21
Speaker 5: really started springball. You may be in matt drills, you
20:24
Speaker 5: may be in some of the stuff. Because Ohio State's
20:26
Speaker 5: going to have to figure out some things. I mean,
20:28
Speaker 5: it's still going to be kind of a Ryan Day offense.
20:32
Speaker 5: I mean, you're gonna have a play caller who's going
20:34
Speaker 5: to come in. You know, you're not suddenly going to
20:36
Speaker 5: become single wing or anything like that just because of
20:39
Speaker 5: who you bring in. But defensively, they've got a lot
20:42
Speaker 5: of things to kind of decide. You know, Ohio State
20:46
Speaker 5: is recruited as a four two five type of team.
20:49
Speaker 5: You know, do they make huge changes there? Do they
20:51
Speaker 5: go to more of like a three three five? I
20:53
Speaker 5: mean there's a lot of stuff that has to be
20:56
Speaker 5: determined at that point. To Mark's earlier thing, Yeah, I
20:59
Speaker 5: don't think this necessarily goes six weeks, unless you know,
21:04
Speaker 5: a Bill O'Brien situation happens or something like that to
21:06
Speaker 5: where somebody's here and they don't have the paint isn't
21:10
Speaker 5: even dry on the door, and you know, something changes course.
21:14
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think it's a couple of weeks. I'm
21:17
Speaker 5: sure we're going to hear a lot of names mentioned.
21:19
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I've heard Neil Brown's name mentioned
21:23
Speaker 5: on the offensive side obviously, Randy.
21:25
Speaker 3: I checked on that with the West Virginia source. They
21:27
Speaker 3: haven't heard anything on that, So I'm a little skeptical,
21:31
Speaker 3: but we'll see. I mean, it would make some sense.
21:36
Speaker 3: I don't have anything there concrete, unfortunately, I haven't. Yes,
21:42
Speaker 3: but it was more of like, you know, I haven't
21:44
Speaker 3: heard that, so.
21:44
Speaker 5: His name was out there in the initials up too.
21:47
Speaker 5: But you know, the thing is is when hot boards
21:49
Speaker 5: come out, that's you know, you're using logic. You're using logic,
21:54
Speaker 5: you're looking at and then voting trees and everything else.
21:57
Speaker 5: And then let's remember the Carlos Laughlan Higher it was
22:01
Speaker 5: a situation of where there were other names that were
22:05
Speaker 5: certainly mentioned. I think Ohio State ended up jelly up
22:08
Speaker 5: on that one. They did a great job with a
22:09
Speaker 5: Locklin higher, but there were other names there. If we're
22:12
Speaker 5: going to get raises and stuff, so you're gonna have
22:14
Speaker 5: to You're gonna have to follow that. In our internal
22:16
Speaker 5: text message I sent out the USA Today Assistant coach
22:20
Speaker 5: salary database, I'm like, I think we're going to have
22:22
Speaker 5: to use this a little bit coming up here with
22:24
Speaker 5: the three vacancies. But when it comes to recruiting, you know,
22:29
Speaker 5: maybe things are going to take a little bit of
22:30
Speaker 5: a twenty or whatever in terms of breaking news or anything.
22:35
Speaker 5: But this is the time to happen.
22:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you said, you go through the twelve months.
22:42
Speaker 3: January playoff run Transfer Portal, December playoff run Transfer Portal, March,
22:49
Speaker 3: spring ball, April, spring ball, May, Spring evaluation period. Coaches
22:52
Speaker 3: are on the road the first few weeks of the month,
22:54
Speaker 3: being able to evaluate kids in person, going down to
22:56
Speaker 3: Florida and Georgia, watching high school fotball practice, watching spring games.
23:00
Speaker 3: June camps, July. You've already missed all of spring ball
23:05
Speaker 3: and summer workouts and you're coming in hot right before
23:08
Speaker 3: fall camp starts and you've got to install an offense
23:10
Speaker 3: or a defense. That's no good obviously. Any then you
23:13
Speaker 3: get August of November. We know that's terrible.
23:16
Speaker 2: So that.
23:20
Speaker 3: So we broke it down for you. We're not lying
23:22
Speaker 3: to you. We're not you know, doing this till like
23:24
Speaker 3: you know, this isn't a Homer talk. Just went through
23:28
Speaker 3: the months. Like if you disagree with this, please let
23:30
Speaker 3: us know in the comments. But I would I would
23:32
Speaker 3: love for someone to present a better month in February
23:35
Speaker 3: after we just went through it like that, so that
23:37
Speaker 3: I think this is the month to have to do it.
23:38
Speaker 4: And then we see what they do, and again the.
23:40
Speaker 3: Key will be who they hire, how quickly that person
23:42
Speaker 3: is hit the ground running with recruiting, And like I mentioned,
23:47
Speaker 3: I guess this is the last thing I'll leave everyone
23:48
Speaker 3: with because we were closing on twenty five minutes here
23:50
Speaker 3: and that's that's probably long enough to talk about this.
23:52
Speaker 3: But the last thing I would leave everyone with. On
23:54
Speaker 3: my end, I'll let Kevin give his final thoughts. Is
23:58
Speaker 3: the next higher whatever it is, coordinators, O line, whatever,
24:03
Speaker 3: is gonna have a fresh pair of eyeballs on this
24:04
Speaker 3: thing in some way, shape or form. Even if it's
24:07
Speaker 3: an internal higher, it's gonna be someone who maybe wasn't
24:10
Speaker 3: as high on the totem pole of the evaluation process
24:12
Speaker 3: who will now have a bigger voice in that. So
24:16
Speaker 3: what that could mean is you could see them step
24:20
Speaker 3: away from guys, ohives, it's been recruited. You know, maybe
24:24
Speaker 3: he doesn't agree with Justin Fry, or maybe he doesn't
24:26
Speaker 3: agree with Gymnoles on a linebacker or whoever, maybe he
24:30
Speaker 3: hasn't a group ship Kelly on a quarterback in twenty
24:32
Speaker 3: twenty six, So they could step back from some guys.
24:36
Speaker 3: Almost certainly gonna be some new targets. That's gonna happen. Anyways,
24:40
Speaker 3: off season evaluations are gonna happen, film evaluations and.
24:43
Speaker 4: Get in the spring with spring evaluations.
24:45
Speaker 3: So new evaluations are gonna happen. That will sling shots
24:48
Speaker 3: and guys up the board. So that's all gonna happen.
24:51
Speaker 3: Like we saw that last year with Carlos Lackland, there
24:54
Speaker 3: were some overlap big targets between Alford and Lachland, and
24:57
Speaker 3: if Tony Alford had stayed, I don't think they get Bo.
25:01
Speaker 2: Jackson, do they presume Ryan Day.
25:04
Speaker 3: Essentially had ordered Tony Alferd to recruit Bo Jackson, and
25:08
Speaker 3: I don't know that that.
25:09
Speaker 4: Was actually going that well.
25:11
Speaker 3: And when Carlos Laughlin came in, Lachlan wanted Bo Jackson.
25:15
Speaker 3: So it was a very very easy transition there with
25:19
Speaker 3: Ryan Day and Carlos Laughlin. We saw Lachlan kind of
25:22
Speaker 3: step away from some guys and go.
25:23
Speaker 4: After Isaiah Wes.
25:24
Speaker 3: So like there are going to be new names that
25:27
Speaker 3: emerge and maybe a name or two that falls off. Now,
25:29
Speaker 3: I think, like Sam Greer, Max Rye, those guys are
25:32
Speaker 3: probably pretty safe, but like out of state guys, you
25:34
Speaker 3: may see different different things, you know, guys coming and
25:38
Speaker 3: going in terms of the target list.
25:39
Speaker 4: So just just look out for that as the hires
25:41
Speaker 4: are made in the first you know, month or two.
25:43
Speaker 4: But Kevin, if you have any final thoughts.
25:45
Speaker 5: I do and not to take this show ten minutes longer.
25:48
Speaker 5: But from a recruiting standpoint, I'm not as concerned about
25:52
Speaker 5: any of the three that have left there. I'm more
25:54
Speaker 5: concerned about Lylon Clark leaving. You know, Larry's Larry's guy,
26:00
Speaker 5: and it looks like he's going to be taking an
26:01
Speaker 5: outside linebacker position with Texas. I mean obviously shows you
26:05
Speaker 5: know how highly thought of he was. You know, he's
26:07
Speaker 5: somebody that I always thought could maybe be an heir
26:09
Speaker 5: apparent to Larry. I mean that would be giganic. Well
26:13
Speaker 5: still could gigantic footsteps. But you know it's not always
26:16
Speaker 5: the top line moves are the ones that that are
26:18
Speaker 5: the ones you should be keeping.
26:19
Speaker 2: An eye on.
26:20
Speaker 5: There's always going to be a lot of moves in
26:22
Speaker 5: and people are going to get plucked away, probably in
26:25
Speaker 5: the personnel department and things of that nature.
26:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
26:30
Speaker 3: They have like their g A tree. They're a little
26:33
Speaker 3: quality control g A tree. But right the one tier
26:37
Speaker 3: below all the position coaches that has been gutted, they
26:40
Speaker 3: like they've lost three guys already, So they're gonna have
26:43
Speaker 3: to replenish their their triple A. Their whole pool of
26:48
Speaker 3: prospects and Triple A just went to the big leagues
26:50
Speaker 3: and for other uh and other programs, So they're gonna
26:53
Speaker 3: have to replenish the trud.
26:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're gonna have to.
26:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got rule fived quite a bit here, so
27:00
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to replenish that. So that's something also
27:02
Speaker 3: to look forward to. Here, I guess in the next
27:04
Speaker 3: month or two is how sneaky they can get with you.
27:06
Speaker 3: They've they've meet some good ones over the years, they
27:08
Speaker 3: really have. They've gotten some good guys out of the
27:09
Speaker 3: South Lyle and Clark's the last one they got obviously
27:13
Speaker 3: now Texas, but they've they've done well with that over
27:15
Speaker 3: the years, getting guys in like that.
27:16
Speaker 4: That helped them in recruiting and so some.
27:18
Speaker 3: Of those guys have eventually turned into coaches here, full
27:21
Speaker 3: time assistant coaches here.
27:22
Speaker 4: Keenan Bailey kind of started out that way. So sometimes
27:25
Speaker 4: we're able to keep them.
27:26
Speaker 3: Sometimes they get poached, but yeah, so they got to
27:29
Speaker 3: they got to fix that as well. But we'll be
27:31
Speaker 3: here to cover all of it. So stay tuned here
27:32
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27:35
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27:40
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27:43
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27:48
Speaker 4: A lot of people have taken advantage of it. We
27:49
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27:51
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27:54
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27:59
Speaker 3: for your first month. Probably only another week or so
28:03
Speaker 3: on that, and then I'm going to pull the plug
28:05
Speaker 3: on that. Kevin, how are we on championship confetti? Is
28:07
Speaker 3: there any left?
28:09
Speaker 5: I think we have some left. Tom Orr is the
28:11
Speaker 5: one in charge of that. I have a deep I
28:13
Speaker 5: have one little stash that I'm paying out to people
28:17
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Speaker 5: site members that I said, I got you, I got you,
28:22
Speaker 5: I got you. But we're probably getting closed. So with
28:25
Speaker 5: with with the end of the four ninety nine deal
28:27
Speaker 5: coming up here soon, with there being a finite amount
28:31
Speaker 5: of confetti, this is really the time I've had so
28:35
Speaker 5: many people here recently who are are active members in
28:38
Speaker 5: all of our live shows are like, I finally and
28:41
Speaker 5: I finally made the plunge. I'm so happy that I did,
28:44
Speaker 5: don't you know, Yeah, you can sign up at any point,
28:47
Speaker 5: but why not now, why not get this out at first?
28:50
Speaker 5: And the opportunity to get confetti.
28:53
Speaker 2: I mean, why not.
28:54
Speaker 3: Come on, man, we didn't go to Party City for
28:56
Speaker 3: their close out bankruptcy sales, prob authentic National Championship game
29:01
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29:06
Speaker 3: at Mercedes ben Stadium.
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Speaker 4: So it's not.
29:10
Speaker 2: Not we're not cutting it. We're not cutting it. You know,
29:13
Speaker 2: We're not get We're.
29:15
Speaker 3: Not adding a little little fake confetti to it. No,
29:18
Speaker 3: we're This is what hart was, a pure National Championship
29:22
Speaker 3: confetti that we will send you free of charge. So
29:25
Speaker 3: get on that as well. But appreciate everyone. We're gonna
29:27
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29:29
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29:31
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