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Speaker 2: Ba leving and duging with the choicees I've made addition
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Speaker 2: thing since my stepfather, Jack Bailey. Jack passed away recently
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Speaker 2: at the age of ninety. Of the many things I'm
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Speaker 2: grateful for in my life, the fact that he raised
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Speaker 2: me as his own son is near the top of
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Speaker 2: the list. My parents divorced when I was three, and
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Speaker 2: my mother got remarried to Jack when I was eight.
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Speaker 2: My biological dad was still a big part of my life,
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Speaker 2: but for most of my childhood, Jack paid the bills,
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Speaker 2: provided guidance and discipline, and served as a great role model.
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Speaker 2: As I've gotten older, I've often thought about how difficult
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Speaker 2: that had to be. Within a few years of marrying
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Speaker 2: my mom, Jack was supporting a typically moody teenage boy
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Speaker 2: who was undoubtedly a frequent pain in the butt. But
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Speaker 2: He was a kind, fun loving man and a great dad.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jack Bailey for changing my life. Now time
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Speaker 2: for football. One of my favorite offseason guests on this
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Speaker 2: podcast is Joe Goodberry. He's been writing and talking about
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Speaker 2: tremendous content. As we all begin to look ahead the
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Speaker 2: free agency and the draft, it's a great time to
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Speaker 2: visit with Joe. Joe is the Bengals off season mission
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Speaker 2: as simple as fix the defense. And if so, how
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Speaker 2: realistic is that to do in this offseason?
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Speaker 3: I think it is the mission, it's a I think
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Speaker 3: the unrealistic part is that it's probably been the mission
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Speaker 3: for two years. And you know, you don't get too
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Speaker 3: many chances to swing at a ball right down the middle, right,
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Speaker 3: So like they have to put the bet on it
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Speaker 3: this time.
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Speaker 4: Not too many baseball references today, so we'll get it
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Speaker 4: out now.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, they have an opportunity in front of them.
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Speaker 3: They have the seventh most cap space, they have a
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Speaker 3: tenth pick in the draft. They've spent a lot of
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Speaker 3: picks on defense guys that actually started to show some
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Speaker 3: promise towards the end of the year. Those are good things.
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Speaker 3: Now can you add to it? Can you add the
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Speaker 3: right players? It sounds like they want specific things. They
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Speaker 3: want pass rush. Duke Tobin said. It sounds like they
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Speaker 3: need leaders. Duke and Zach both said that in their
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Speaker 3: final press conferences, and need guys that can lead that room,
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Speaker 3: lead the film room, lead the guys to do the
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Speaker 3: right thing. So I wouldn't be surprised if we get
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Speaker 3: a heavy dose of veterans, guys that have played and
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Speaker 3: spend that tenth pick on a guy that's probably your
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Speaker 3: most talented defensive player that they've had. Even though they've
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Speaker 3: spent some high picks, we're talking about the tenth pick
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Speaker 3: here that could be a really good impact.
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Speaker 2: With that cap space. What position or positions should they
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Speaker 2: start with.
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Speaker 3: I always struggle with the position question at this point
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Speaker 3: in the offseason, whether it's talking about the draft, because
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Speaker 3: everyone gets so consumed with oh, they need this, they
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Speaker 3: need that, and same for free agency. Free agency happens first,
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Speaker 3: so I get it more. I don't tend to prioritize
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Speaker 3: by a position if I was looking at it. If
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Speaker 3: I were to advise them and say, I would say, look,
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Speaker 3: you're looking for value players. We understand you're not going
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Speaker 3: to go for those tier one free agents. You're not
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Speaker 3: going to give multi years of guaranteed money. You never
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Speaker 3: have to an outside free agent. You've had success though
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Speaker 3: in free agency finding that tier two, tier three wave
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Speaker 3: of guys. If you can replicate that, another Mike Hilton,
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Speaker 3: the Chadobia, Woozie, Von Bell, Djet Reader would be a
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Speaker 3: great addition to the twenty twenty six teams. So you
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Speaker 3: got to play in those waters I understand that it's
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Speaker 3: not so much prioritizing positions. While I say pass rush,
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Speaker 3: that could be a D end, that could be a
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Speaker 3: D tackle. I think they desperately need interior more than
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Speaker 3: edge help. But they're harder to find, and it's hard
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Speaker 3: to find in the draft. Those are harder to find.
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Speaker 3: A free agency, they get paid more.
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Speaker 4: Because of it.
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Speaker 3: So if you could say, all right, well, there's potentially
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Speaker 3: a defensive end that here is at a good value,
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Speaker 3: a Tier two type free agent, we're going to go
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Speaker 3: in that direction, I would say, fine, go ahead. You
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Speaker 3: know you got to get pieces on this team. You
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Speaker 3: need more tailent on the defensive side. If you said
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Speaker 3: we need a veteran linebacker to go with our two
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Speaker 3: young guys. We still like Bret Carter, but we still like
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Speaker 3: to Meetris Knight. We believe in them in year two.
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Speaker 3: Let's not put all of our eggs in that basket.
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Speaker 3: Let's give them a third linebacker to rotate with or
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Speaker 3: be on the field with them and support them. I
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Speaker 3: would be in favor of that. Plus, linebacker doesn't get
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Speaker 3: paid too often in free agency. You could probably find
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Speaker 3: a value there. If you say we want to go
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Speaker 3: get a safety to pair with Jordan Battle and still
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Speaker 3: be open to Caleb Downs in the draft.
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Speaker 4: I think this is a great free agency class.
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Speaker 3: And I don't think they're all going to get paid either,
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Speaker 3: because there's no Jesse Bates in this free agency.
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Speaker 4: But there are so many of them.
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Speaker 3: There's probably eight quality starters up to ten quality starters
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Speaker 3: and free agency this year at safety that that's going
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Speaker 3: to start to bring their money down a little bit.
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Speaker 4: And that's right in the bengals wielhouse.
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Speaker 3: Not to make them sound like they're cheap, but what
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Speaker 3: they do is they pinpoint their targets, right. They pinpoint
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Speaker 3: the guys that will take a Bengals like contract, and
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Speaker 3: if you can get the right guys, I think they
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Speaker 3: can rebuild this pretty quickly.
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Speaker 2: Have you looked at the class closely enough to have
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Speaker 2: specific players that you would like them to go for.
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Speaker 3: I have, so I've been doing a lot of free
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Speaker 3: agency now, doing a lot of free agency videos, looking
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Speaker 3: at players like Brian Cook, safety from Kansas City, who
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Speaker 3: is a Cincinnati alum. Right, and this is a guy
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Speaker 3: that's had very good success in a complex defense as
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Speaker 3: a free safety. And I think if the Bengals want
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Speaker 3: to say we need a free safety. Again, there aren't
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Speaker 3: many in pre agency. There aren't too many true free
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Speaker 3: safeties in the league, and I think Brian Cook is
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Speaker 3: one of them and could prepare really well with the
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Speaker 3: Jordan battle or if they wanted to go kleb Downs,
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Speaker 3: I think that would free up Downs to do whatever
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Speaker 3: you wanted to do on the defensive side, which is
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Speaker 3: you know, in free agency you kind of want to
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Speaker 3: keep that in mind that you do have a tenth pick.
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Speaker 3: If you're going to spend it on a premium position,
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Speaker 3: let's not bury that rookie by signing too many guys
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Speaker 3: at that position. If it happens and works out that way.
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Speaker 3: But I'm a big fan of a lot of safeties
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Speaker 3: in the class. One that's an underrated's Nick Cross from
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Speaker 3: the Inddeapolis Colts. This is a guy we scored really
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Speaker 3: high pre draft and he started pretty much last two
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Speaker 3: and a half years for them. He is only twenty
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Speaker 3: four years old right now, in four years playing in
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Speaker 3: the NFL. Who's a freak athlete, and he's six two
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty pounds runs a four to three four
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Speaker 3: coming out of the.
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Speaker 4: Virginia four years ago.
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Speaker 3: He he's still super athletic, but he's a strong safety
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Speaker 3: and it's kind of a box slot linebacker type. But
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Speaker 3: I think people would be surprised to know that Jordan
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Speaker 3: Battle played as much free safety or I should say
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Speaker 3: deep safety, because the Bengals were a very split safety
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Speaker 3: team as Geno Stone last year. So you could find
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Speaker 3: a strong safety type or a split safety type to
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Speaker 3: pair with Battle, and I think you can find that.
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Speaker 3: So keep your eyes open for any type of safety,
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Speaker 3: either one. And then I've got some underrated guys that
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Speaker 3: apparently aren't going to get a lot of money. I
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Speaker 3: just looked at projections on PFF and some other websites.
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Speaker 3: Arnold Ebiccati, who was a second round pick the year
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Speaker 3: they took Dak Still. I had Ebikadi as tenth overall
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Speaker 3: in that draft. I think he went thirty eighth to
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Speaker 3: the Falcons. He has been a very good pass rusher
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Speaker 3: for them in a limited role, very productive, high pass
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Speaker 3: rush win rate, especially last year. He's a top ten
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Speaker 3: pass rusher in terms of pass rush win rate from
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Speaker 3: PFF last year projected to get seven million dollars. Like
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Speaker 3: that's a Joseph o Side replacement. You kicked Shamar Stewart
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Speaker 3: inside in your nickel. Have Arnold abacaty Miles Murphy's that's good.
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Speaker 3: You can survive with that without spending too much money.
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Speaker 3: And he would be your best pass rusher at this
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Speaker 3: point based on what he has shown. But he got
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Speaker 3: buried under two first round picks last year. The Pulpins
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Speaker 3: had to, you know, really upgrade their defense probably in
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Speaker 3: a similar situation the Bengals are, and now they spent
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Speaker 3: two first round picks on pass rushers kind of got buried.
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Speaker 3: The other guy is Leo Shanal from Kansas City, and
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Speaker 3: Shanal was a guy that I was super high on
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Speaker 3: coming out of his classes as well four years ago.
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Speaker 3: I'm typically looking at these guys. He's twenty five years old,
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Speaker 3: He's got good all good strength to a density to him.
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Speaker 3: He can play that. He's kind of a tweener edge linebacker.
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Speaker 3: And the Bengals did that a ton with Demetrius Knight.
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Speaker 3: And if you were to pull up the highlight plays
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Speaker 3: for Demetrius Knight and the low light plays of Demetrius Knight,
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Speaker 3: the low light would all come when he was on
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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, almost as in a bare front
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Speaker 3: where they would shift over their linebackers and put him
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Speaker 3: on the edge and say, hey, you got to set
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Speaker 3: the edge here in the run game. You got to
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Speaker 3: go against these offensive tackles and these tight ends, sometimes
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Speaker 3: two tight ends, and they're washing you off of here,
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Speaker 3: and we're allowing this big run around the outside. Let's
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Speaker 3: eliminate that from Demetrius Knight's game. He's not that guy.
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Speaker 3: In my opinion, Leo Shanal is exactly that you want
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Speaker 3: to get. And he's projected seven million a year. You
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Speaker 3: want to put him at that spot. He's a linebacker
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Speaker 3: and edge guy for you where you can keep that rotation,
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Speaker 3: keep that variability in your defensive front. I think he
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Speaker 3: would be a perfect fit. And he's a guy that rees, reacts, moves.
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Speaker 3: I did a film review for subscribers on Twitter. His
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Speaker 3: reaction time was the best on the whole Kansas City defense.
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Speaker 3: He is moving towards the play before anybody. And that's
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Speaker 3: a lot of good defenders on that team. And I
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Speaker 3: want that we need a little bit more than that.
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Speaker 3: He's not fooled by the misdirection. He's not fooled by
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Speaker 3: the motions, and you know all the things that would
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Speaker 3: get young linebackers that did get the Bengals young linebackers
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Speaker 3: last year.
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Speaker 4: I think Chanall would help fix that in a big way.
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Speaker 2: Joe, you made a reference to DJ Reader. He's due
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Speaker 2: to be a free agent again. He'll turn thirty two
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Speaker 2: in July. Would it make sense to try to bring
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Speaker 2: him back.
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Speaker 4: It would.
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Speaker 3: I think DJ Reader is still a quality player and
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Speaker 3: maybe they used him a little bit too much. I
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Speaker 3: did a film review of him as well on Twitter,
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Speaker 3: just looking at his pulled up next gen stats online
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Speaker 3: and you can click and bring up the film with
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Speaker 3: all his defensive stops. I've watched more film than that,
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Speaker 3: but I wanted something digestible for people, so it's pretty
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Speaker 3: much as highlights of the last year. He's still very
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Speaker 3: good two gapper nose tackle with the great tackle radius,
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Speaker 3: that understands how blocks are coming at him, how to
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Speaker 3: defeat them, how long you should hold up against the
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Speaker 3: double team before splitting it and making the tackle.
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Speaker 4: I think he's still a very very good player now.
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Speaker 4: I thought TJ.
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Speaker 3: Slayton came on at the end of the year, but
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Speaker 3: he also started to come on when McKinley Jackson was
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Speaker 3: activated and McKinley Jackson was playing more nos and TJ.
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Speaker 3: Slayton was playing more b gap. They're doing more odd
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Speaker 3: man front since the bye week last year, and I
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Speaker 3: think that really helped them. Number one, it gave more
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Speaker 3: one on ones up front when you have five guys
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Speaker 3: on the line right rather than four. It really helped
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Speaker 3: Miles Murphy, I think, and it helped the defensive tackles
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Speaker 3: up front. I thought BJ Hill had a strong second
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Speaker 3: half of the year. I thought TJ. Slayton had a
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Speaker 3: strong second half. Now, if you want to say, all right,
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Speaker 3: we like the flashes of McKinley Jackson, but year three,
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Speaker 3: we're not going to bank on that completely. You want
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Speaker 3: to do more odd front stuff, you can bring back.
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Speaker 3: DJ Reader projected about six to seven million dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: That's reasonable. Put them back at that No.
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Speaker 4: Spot.
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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing why I keep getting this because
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Speaker 3: I've gotten some flak when I said, hey, take DJ Reader.
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Speaker 3: They say, well, you're not going to get any pass
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Speaker 3: rush from a defensive tackle room.
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Speaker 4: You're right, but.
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Speaker 3: I think you are just as far, if not further.
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Speaker 3: It's probably harder to fix this pass rush and become
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Speaker 3: a top ten pass rushing team. Unless Ruben Bain or
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Speaker 3: David Bailey fall to you and still rookie pass rushers
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Speaker 3: forty pressures, seven sacks. I mean, we take that from
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Speaker 3: a rookie, but it's not Trey hendrickson the level fifteen sacks.
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Speaker 3: You're closer to being a good run defense team. And
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Speaker 3: they were a very good run defense team down the
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Speaker 3: stretch this past year. Ever since the bye week when
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Speaker 3: they did more odd man fronts, I think you enhance
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Speaker 3: that become a very good run defense team. The final
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Speaker 3: four teams in the AFC Playoff or the NFL playoffs
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Speaker 3: this year were all good run defending teams. I would
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Speaker 3: prioritize that because I think that is easily easily fixable,
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Speaker 3: easier than really recouping this pass rush to what it
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Speaker 3: needs to be. So get good at that, put teams
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Speaker 3: in more third and long situations, and then unleash an
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Speaker 3: average pass rush against that.
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Speaker 2: Joe Bengals fans want Dalton Reisner back. He wants to
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Speaker 2: be back. I believe the Bengals want him back. I
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Speaker 2: don't know what he's asking for. I think they'll find
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Speaker 2: a number, but let's say that they don't. Pro Football
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Speaker 2: Focus has five free agent guards rated above Dalton Reisner.
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Speaker 2: How important is it to bring back Dalton Reisner.
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Speaker 3: I've been a Dalton Reisner fan for a long time.
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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty draft I was at the Senior Bowl. I
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Speaker 3: got to stopped him a little bit there, and I
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Speaker 3: like this personality. He scored really well from us in
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Speaker 3: our pre draft sheet that long ago. Can't believe it,
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Speaker 3: six years ago already. I've watched him in Denver and
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Speaker 3: when he bounced around with the Vikings always getting signed
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Speaker 3: late in the offseason.
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Speaker 4: Did again for the Bengals.
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Speaker 3: I've been kind of banging that drum for a while
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Speaker 3: to get Dalton Reisner in here. He's been one of
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Speaker 3: the best true pass setting guards in the league if
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Speaker 3: you use PFF numbers, and that's what the Bengals do,
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Speaker 3: all right. Always thought this would be a great fit.
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Speaker 3: I assume we talked abou Dalton Reiser in the few
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Speaker 3: offseasons we've done this.
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Speaker 4: I think we have. I was happy when it happened.
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Speaker 3: I was very happy with once once he was settled in,
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Speaker 3: because remember he had to play right away in one practice,
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Speaker 3: and here you go, you got to play week one.
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Speaker 3: Once he was settled in, I thought he was excellent
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Speaker 3: and not only as a pass protector. He had his
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Speaker 3: best run blocking season of his career, and I don't
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Speaker 3: think that can be discounted, like when you get the
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Speaker 3: right guy with a right offensive line. Coach Scott Peters,
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Speaker 3: I thought they did a great job with this run game.
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Speaker 3: At Week three or four with the Vikings game, I said,
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Speaker 3: this is the worst run game I've ever seen in
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Speaker 3: my life to the end where I thought this is
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Speaker 3: one of the best running games in the league.
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Speaker 4: And that's a huge jump.
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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm not afraid to say when I
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Speaker 3: see it on tape, like this looks terrible, this looks
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Speaker 3: the worst. I can't believe this not hyperbole because once
13:49
Speaker 3: you go from that point and you get all the
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Speaker 3: way to where you were at the end of the year,
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Speaker 3: and especially at like the three quarter mark, I thought
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Speaker 3: they were humming on the ground. Dalton Riisener was a
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Speaker 3: big part of that, and I love the way his
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Speaker 3: energy out of the way he's running down and picking
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Speaker 3: guys up. He was the first guy to keep blocking
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Speaker 3: and help blocking. I think he is more than what
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Speaker 3: the parts say, and you know, maybe he's not going
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Speaker 3: to get the money that he's definitely not gonna get
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Speaker 3: the money of these other guys. Guy, I think the
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Speaker 3: most he's ever made is about three million dollars in
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Speaker 3: the year. I think you can get him for four
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Speaker 3: four and a half making a multi year deal. Feel
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Speaker 3: comfortable with that position because I don't think they can
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Speaker 3: spend too much on this offensive line or on the
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Speaker 3: offense in general. Really, this money, this cap space should
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Speaker 3: go to the defense. If you're saying, at most you're
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Speaker 3: gonna sign Dalton Riisener to four million dollars this year,
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Speaker 3: the offensive line is set, you feel pretty good about that.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they keep looking at a tight end for depth.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they signed Chase Brown like that's it on offense.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to do much more than that.
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Speaker 3: If that's all your priority is for that side of
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Speaker 3: the ball, I think that should be a priority, And
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Speaker 3: if they don't do it, I think people will be disappointed.
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Speaker 2: We're visiting with Joe Goodbarry. You can follow him on
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Speaker 2: Twitter or x at Joe Goodberry. You can also check
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Speaker 2: out his YouTube video. I was sponsored by First Star Logistics.
15:02
Speaker 2: Just look up Bengals on the Brain on YouTube. You'll
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Speaker 2: find some great stuff. Let's talk about the free agent
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Speaker 2: pass rushers. There are several in the twenty five to
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Speaker 2: twenty seven range that I'm sure the Bengals would like
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Speaker 2: to sign. But I'm interested in your thoughts on the
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Speaker 2: older guys. What about a Joey Bosa, a Khalil Mack,
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Speaker 2: even Kaleis Campbell, who's going to be forty years old
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Speaker 2: in September.
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Speaker 1: Is it worth a one year.
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Speaker 2: Deal with some of these older guys, hoping there's a
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Speaker 2: little bit of juice left.
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Speaker 4: It is if there's a little bit of a risk there.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, sometimes you sign these older guys, you find out
15:41
Speaker 3: they just they were at the last leg right that
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Speaker 3: career cliff is like a you're walking on the mountain
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Speaker 3: side and the derek and the fog. You'd never know
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Speaker 3: you know what's coming, you just don't know what year
15:53
Speaker 3: that's gonna be where you step off the edge, and
15:55
Speaker 3: we see it with these players, So there is some
15:56
Speaker 3: risk with that. But if you go off the last
15:58
Speaker 3: time you saw them, Max still looks good. I'm in
16:01
Speaker 3: like Clys Campbell still looks good. I don't know if
16:03
Speaker 3: he has any interest. He's kind of always made it
16:05
Speaker 3: seem like he wants to play in a warm weather team,
16:07
Speaker 3: but also win a Super Bowl.
16:08
Speaker 4: Well, come on, you know you got to pick some
16:10
Speaker 4: of these Northern teams.
16:11
Speaker 3: They seem to be the ones half making it half
16:13
Speaker 3: the time, so you know you have to change your
16:15
Speaker 3: mind there at the old age. But Joey Bosa and
16:18
Speaker 3: I live in Buffalo, so I got to see a
16:19
Speaker 3: lot of Joey Bosa. Here Bill's fans talk about Joey Bosa.
16:23
Speaker 3: He was very good in the first half of the year.
16:25
Speaker 3: I think he had five force fumbles at like the
16:27
Speaker 3: halfway point career high he was really their only pass rush.
16:30
Speaker 3: Then he hurt his hamstring, he hurt his wrist. They
16:33
Speaker 3: had used him with just on one side because his
16:35
Speaker 3: moves weren't as effectives with that risk. The rest of
16:37
Speaker 3: the year he had a brace on it. Again, that's
16:40
Speaker 3: been his thing though, He's always dealt with injuries. And
16:43
Speaker 3: then he got really bad against the run. In fact,
16:46
Speaker 3: I think PFFS in terms of starters had him as
16:48
Speaker 3: the worst run defending defending defensive end in the league.
16:51
Speaker 3: At the end of the year, it just really fell
16:53
Speaker 3: off for him, and it's partly due to injuries. So
16:56
Speaker 3: he's the one I'd be more scared of because he's
16:58
Speaker 3: dealt with injuries throughout his career and he dealt with
17:00
Speaker 3: him again this year, and he fell off towards the
17:02
Speaker 3: end of the year, and there's projections for him for
17:05
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars a year. I'm not in at that price.
17:08
Speaker 3: I think you can find I'd rather have Arnold Abacadie
17:10
Speaker 3: and Joseph Osai for the total of fifteen million, and
17:13
Speaker 3: give me younger guys with more Jews that have some
17:16
Speaker 3: upside still in their game rather than go with someone
17:19
Speaker 3: like that. So it has to be calculated. There are
17:21
Speaker 3: guys like the Mario Davis linebacker from the Saints. I
17:23
Speaker 3: guess a guy who's extremely smart, has his play has
17:26
Speaker 3: not fallen off a bit, and the Bengals have his
17:29
Speaker 3: former linebacker coach on the staff. Now, like that's one
17:32
Speaker 3: that makes a ton of sense. You want to bring
17:33
Speaker 3: in a veteran that can do the leadership, can lead
17:36
Speaker 3: the film room, can get these guys to make the
17:39
Speaker 3: calls at the line and pre snap.
17:41
Speaker 4: I think that Tomorrio Davis makes a ton of sense.
17:44
Speaker 2: All right, Joe, this is the eighteenth year that you
17:46
Speaker 2: provided in depth draft analysis. I mentioned your Bengals on
17:50
Speaker 2: the brain videos on YouTube. They're awesome. And you have
17:53
Speaker 2: looked at five draft press Bock prospects so far. Edge
17:57
Speaker 2: rushers Ruben Bain from Miamivid Bailey from Texas Tech, defensive
18:02
Speaker 2: tackle Peter Woods from Clemson, safety Caleb Downs from Ohio State,
18:06
Speaker 2: and most recently, cornerback Jermad McCoy from Tennessee.
18:10
Speaker 1: Why those five?
18:12
Speaker 3: So I wanted to start at the top. Typically I don't,
18:15
Speaker 3: but the Bengals have a high pick this year. Typically
18:17
Speaker 3: I start with positions, and my process is normally watch
18:20
Speaker 3: that position completely, and it's easy to compare who's better
18:24
Speaker 3: than the next guy.
18:25
Speaker 4: Right.
18:25
Speaker 3: If you're just watching defensive ends and spending the next
18:27
Speaker 3: fourteen days watching them, you get a really good feel
18:29
Speaker 3: for who's better than the next And I think teams
18:31
Speaker 3: should do that too. I always thought teams shouldn't have
18:33
Speaker 3: a Midwest scout or an Eastern scout.
18:35
Speaker 4: You should a position scout.
18:36
Speaker 3: Know that position by heart, talk to everyone you can
18:39
Speaker 3: about that position, become an expert of that position, and
18:42
Speaker 3: I think you would find the gems more likely.
18:44
Speaker 4: It's my theory.
18:44
Speaker 3: But so this time though, with the Bengals picking top ten,
18:47
Speaker 3: I thought, all right, for the first time are she
18:51
Speaker 3: and this has slowly been happening.
18:52
Speaker 4: Our she is very.
18:55
Speaker 3: Data driven. We do have our film grades in there,
18:57
Speaker 3: but it's very data driven to help guide you. And
19:00
Speaker 3: we say, and what the consensus right now of the
19:03
Speaker 3: top fifteen twenty players. Our data also supports that, and
19:07
Speaker 3: it's it's been slowly growing to that, which pretty much
19:10
Speaker 3: shows you more people are using data, teams are using data.
19:13
Speaker 4: So it's no shock to me that it's gotten to
19:15
Speaker 4: this point.
19:15
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I might as well start
19:16
Speaker 3: with what I think and what the data says is
19:18
Speaker 3: the top fifteen players in this draft to get an
19:21
Speaker 3: idea of who is worthy of that pick at ten,
19:24
Speaker 3: and also in an effort because this year I really
19:26
Speaker 3: wanted to forget position and just look at who are
19:30
Speaker 3: the best players? Because I watching this year, I was like,
19:34
Speaker 3: why didn't we talk about Crash Swessinger enough at seventeen
19:37
Speaker 3: because he plays linebacker? Like, why didn't we do this?
19:39
Speaker 3: He grated he was the fifteenth player on our spreadsheet.
19:42
Speaker 3: He may win Defensive Rookie of the Year. Nicki min
19:44
Speaker 3: Warry was six on our sheet. We really didn't talk
19:47
Speaker 3: about him enough at seventeen we mentioned him, but really
19:50
Speaker 3: never got to the fire that should have what it
19:53
Speaker 3: should have been, And I don't want to make that
19:55
Speaker 3: same mistake. I want to say, all right, if these
19:57
Speaker 3: guys grade that high, we should hammer it as much.
20:00
Speaker 4: So ken what influence do we have?
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Speaker 3: I bet none, but for our own sanity and for
20:04
Speaker 3: our own because for the sickos that love doing this stuff,
20:07
Speaker 3: I think it's for us more than anything.
20:09
Speaker 4: For our own sanity.
20:10
Speaker 3: We need to make sure if these guys are that good,
20:13
Speaker 3: if the data supports it, if it checks every box,
20:16
Speaker 3: we should be talking about these guys more and more.
20:18
Speaker 3: So I wanted to start from the top this time.
20:20
Speaker 2: Coming up, Joe gives us an in depth look at
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Speaker 2: David Bailey, Caleb Downs, Rubin Bain, and other prospects that
20:28
Speaker 2: could be there with the tenth pick in this year's draft.
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Speaker 2: thumbnail sketch on these five guys, So beginning with Ruben
20:59
Speaker 2: Bay and from the waist down, he looks like a horse.
21:03
Speaker 2: I mean his backside and legs are gigantic. I thought
21:07
Speaker 2: he was really impressive in the college football playoff games.
21:11
Speaker 2: And looking at your video the other day, you look
21:15
Speaker 2: at him as a great run stopper and pass rusher
21:19
Speaker 2: as opposed to just a guy that can do one thing.
21:23
Speaker 4: No doubt about it. And you're right. He is sturdy built.
21:27
Speaker 3: He looks like he can help you move a couch,
21:28
Speaker 3: no doubt, right, like he can pick that thing up
21:30
Speaker 3: no problem.
21:30
Speaker 4: He is very thick from the lower half down and
21:33
Speaker 4: he uses that.
21:33
Speaker 3: He's a power generator and it comes from his lower half,
21:36
Speaker 3: and he plays violently. He gets when he makes contact
21:40
Speaker 3: with guys an offensive lineman, you see their whole pads
21:43
Speaker 3: and helmet shutter off the contact. He is very, very strong,
21:47
Speaker 3: and his hands are active. He moves all across the
21:49
Speaker 3: defensive line from left to right, the defensive tackle where
21:52
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna make a.
21:53
Speaker 4: Lot of money in the NFL.
21:55
Speaker 3: I compared him the Brandon Graham, who was a long time,
21:57
Speaker 3: very good player for the Eagles. I think he went
21:59
Speaker 3: Foard teenth or something in the first round out of Michigan.
22:02
Speaker 3: Shorter arms, So that's what they say about Ruben Bain
22:06
Speaker 3: is he's got t Rex arms. Well, you know who
22:07
Speaker 3: else has t rex arms? A t Rex does and
22:09
Speaker 3: he is very scary. So when you watch Rubyen Bain,
22:12
Speaker 3: he he is frightening. For these offensive teams, they really
22:16
Speaker 3: try to take him out. And luckily for Miami, they
22:19
Speaker 3: had a lot of guys on the defensive line, so
22:20
Speaker 3: when they focus too much on Bain, someone else would
22:23
Speaker 3: usually step up a key messador is probably a late
22:25
Speaker 3: first or a second round pick on the other end
22:27
Speaker 3: spot their defensive tackle went back to school who had
22:28
Speaker 3: probably been in the same range. But when you watch Bain,
22:32
Speaker 3: his hands are very good right now, and that's a
22:34
Speaker 3: good thing, especially for the guy with length issues, because
22:36
Speaker 3: often you can see when you watch tape guys with
22:39
Speaker 3: shorter arms. You say, I can see why his hands
22:42
Speaker 3: aren't landing. He just he's trying to keep that separation
22:44
Speaker 3: and not get too close to these offensive linemen and
22:46
Speaker 3: he just can't reach and just can't get there. That
22:48
Speaker 3: shows up once in a while with Bain, but not
22:50
Speaker 3: too often for a guy that's projected thirty one potential
22:54
Speaker 3: arms maybe sub thirty two. But what is really impressive
22:57
Speaker 3: with him, So he's a power player, good against the run.
23:00
Speaker 3: His agility is very very good, and that's again probably
23:03
Speaker 3: because his low center of gravity. Those legs are strong.
23:06
Speaker 3: He can get really low, he can turn the corner
23:08
Speaker 3: so when he does win cleanly. I don't know if
23:10
Speaker 3: that was a quick summary of these guys, but man,
23:14
Speaker 3: I really like Ruby Bain. It won't be shocked if
23:16
Speaker 3: he's a top three pick.
23:18
Speaker 2: David Bailey, the pass rusher from Texas Tech who started
23:20
Speaker 2: his career at Stanford, is probably the name that I've
23:24
Speaker 2: seen most often mock drafted to the Bengals. If he's
23:28
Speaker 2: still there, that is at number ten great pass rush
23:31
Speaker 2: production this past year. You compared him at least a
23:35
Speaker 2: little bit to Trey Hendrickson. Is a Trey Hendrickson level
23:39
Speaker 2: type guy as a potential Bengals pass rusher.
23:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's built the exact opposite of Rubin Bain.
23:46
Speaker 3: He's a triangle right, so his legs and his lower
23:48
Speaker 3: half is thin. If he's going to add ten pounds
23:50
Speaker 3: in the NFLF.
23:51
Speaker 4: We see him in five years, we're.
23:52
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, he's two sixty something now that he's
23:54
Speaker 3: probably gonna be lower half. But he's very strong up top,
23:57
Speaker 3: very very well built up top, and because of that
24:00
Speaker 3: lower frame, he is more athletic. He's the most athletic
24:02
Speaker 3: pass rusher of the top guys. Maybe r Bel Reese
24:06
Speaker 3: will have to see what Reese is, you know, in
24:08
Speaker 3: the NFL. But Bailey, he gets off, his burst is
24:11
Speaker 3: really good, his bend is really good.
24:12
Speaker 4: He turns a.
24:13
Speaker 3: Corner very well, like Trey Hendrickson because he's got a
24:16
Speaker 3: ton of moves. He can beat you with a rip,
24:18
Speaker 3: arm overs, swim and spin move. He'll use power when
24:22
Speaker 3: his hands do land. That Oregon game is crazy. It's
24:25
Speaker 3: his best game of his career. But I would just
24:26
Speaker 3: say put the Oregon game on if you want to
24:28
Speaker 3: be convinced of a top ten pick. When his hands
24:31
Speaker 3: land again, he looks very strong controls guys, throws him
24:34
Speaker 3: off at will when he wants to against the run.
24:36
Speaker 3: His run scores from BFF and that throughout his career
24:40
Speaker 3: average until this spent last year was a solid year,
24:43
Speaker 3: nothing great, So may another Trey Hendrickson kind of trait
24:46
Speaker 3: to him there where he's definitely a Tier one type
24:48
Speaker 3: pass rusher and then maybe a c run defender, and
24:52
Speaker 3: you'll take that at twenty three.
24:54
Speaker 4: Only are at ten.
24:55
Speaker 3: The only concern I have is that he is twenty three,
24:57
Speaker 3: right if we're comparing him to some of these other prospects.
25:00
Speaker 4: You're looking at the top of the board right there.
25:02
Speaker 4: I got the sheet next to me.
25:03
Speaker 3: Most of these guys in the first twenty picks are
25:05
Speaker 3: gonna be twenty one years old. So anytime you get
25:07
Speaker 3: a twenty two point seven is what he currently is,
25:09
Speaker 3: would be twenty three's rookie year. That kind of gives
25:11
Speaker 3: you some pause because they're more developed, so he should
25:13
Speaker 3: look better on tape versus a guy like Ruben Bain that's,
25:16
Speaker 3: you know, twenty years old. You're like, oh, yeah, that's
25:18
Speaker 3: what it's supposed to look like at that age. His
25:20
Speaker 3: guy's got a lot meat left on the bone by
25:23
Speaker 3: the time. He's also twenty three. So that's the only
25:25
Speaker 3: pause I have on Bailey. Also, I should note, though
25:28
Speaker 3: he plays with an edge, he gets a little crazy.
25:31
Speaker 3: He's had some issues in games in the past. I
25:33
Speaker 3: kind of like it, but also, you know it's worth noting.
25:37
Speaker 2: Well, since you mentioned that Jermaine Pratt earned headlines recently
25:42
Speaker 2: when he said that the Bengals don't draft dogs on
25:45
Speaker 2: the defensive line, I went back and looked at the
25:48
Speaker 2: defensive lineman that they've drafted since or while Germaine Pratt
25:52
Speaker 2: was a Bengal, Renell Wren, Collin Kareem Joseph Osai, cam Sample,
25:58
Speaker 2: Zach Carter, Miles Murphy, Sadric Johnson. Does Jermaine Pratt have
26:03
Speaker 2: a point? Are those guys guys that can't be described
26:06
Speaker 2: as dogs?
26:07
Speaker 4: I think we should describe what a dog is.
26:09
Speaker 3: For me, that would be someone that's very physical, plays
26:12
Speaker 3: with an intensity. I think I think Trey Hendrickson was
26:16
Speaker 3: a dog. He got the nickname of Blackout Trey because
26:18
Speaker 3: he would, you know, kind of lose his mind and
26:20
Speaker 3: do whatever it takes to make a play when it required,
26:22
Speaker 3: which you do want that. I think DJ Reader was
26:25
Speaker 3: a dog, but again didn't draft either of those guys.
26:28
Speaker 4: Joseo Side played.
26:29
Speaker 3: With a lot of intensity and hustle and still did
26:32
Speaker 3: he did a Texas he still did for the Bengals.
26:34
Speaker 3: He probably one of their highest motor guys on the team.
26:37
Speaker 3: But yeah, he is more of a smart, nice guy.
26:40
Speaker 3: I would say, you know, can those guys be dog?
26:42
Speaker 4: Sure?
26:42
Speaker 3: The light you know, the flips, it switches when you
26:45
Speaker 3: get on the field, and sometimes those guys turn into dogs.
26:48
Speaker 3: I think he has a point, and I do think
26:50
Speaker 3: if we're one of the things. If you're saying leadership
26:53
Speaker 3: on this team, pass rush, past rusting, you know, not
26:55
Speaker 3: really a trait, just more of a need. But if
26:56
Speaker 3: you're looking at traits, leadership, yeah, let's get some dogs
27:00
Speaker 3: on this team would probably be number two.
27:02
Speaker 2: All right, back to the guys that you focused in
27:05
Speaker 2: your draft videos so far focused on I should say
27:08
Speaker 2: Peter Woods, defensive tackle from Clemson, three year starter for
27:12
Speaker 2: the Tigers, very good versus the run, good versus the
27:17
Speaker 2: pass early in his career, and then not as good
27:21
Speaker 2: more recently. What did you make of Peter Woods?
27:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's our Benjamin Button this year. And this happens
27:26
Speaker 3: once in a while in the draft where you get
27:29
Speaker 3: a guy who was fantastic as a freshman, and that
27:31
Speaker 3: in itself is a great sign for future success.
27:34
Speaker 4: We've seen this with.
27:35
Speaker 3: Multiple players where they're really good first second year and
27:38
Speaker 3: then maybe you know, something catches up, maybe they're dealing
27:41
Speaker 3: with the injury. You don't know about whatever happens that
27:43
Speaker 3: third year, and you know, most guys don't see the
27:45
Speaker 3: fourth year.
27:45
Speaker 4: They don't have the same success. Peter Woods.
27:49
Speaker 3: I think when you go back to his freshman year,
27:50
Speaker 3: talking about an eighteen year old, he won. He had
27:52
Speaker 3: a pass rush win rate of twenty seven percent. That
27:56
Speaker 3: is mind boggling. It is crazy numbers to win at
27:59
Speaker 3: the rate, and then it goes on to twenty two
28:02
Speaker 3: and then it goes on to seventeen, so.
28:03
Speaker 4: It dropped five percent each year.
28:05
Speaker 3: And you watch the tape, you go, yeah, they're trying
28:07
Speaker 3: to take him out it.
28:08
Speaker 4: They're like, we are not letting this guy wreck us
28:10
Speaker 4: at all.
28:10
Speaker 3: And it looked like Clemson started to use more and
28:13
Speaker 3: more stunts and twists and not really giving you one
28:15
Speaker 3: on one rush.
28:16
Speaker 4: It started only rushing three.
28:17
Speaker 3: Guys started to use Woods as a decoy to try
28:21
Speaker 3: and get Blitzer from the other side because teams were
28:23
Speaker 3: sending so much attention to Woods. So a little bit
28:26
Speaker 3: of a leap of faith pick here talking about a
28:28
Speaker 3: very young guy that I assume will test very well
28:30
Speaker 3: in look athletic, but you got to say, man, he
28:33
Speaker 3: just the traditional production isn't there, but the advanced production,
28:37
Speaker 3: the advanced performance data is what I like to call it,
28:39
Speaker 3: is there and says he's worth that shot. He's worth
28:42
Speaker 3: that risk because it is very hard to find a
28:45
Speaker 3: defensive tackle.
28:45
Speaker 4: They've missed.
28:46
Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't get a chance to get Viron Murphy.
28:48
Speaker 3: They probably would have taken Mens. Anyways, they didn't get
28:50
Speaker 3: a chance to last year. Oh, Walter Nolan right went
28:54
Speaker 3: one pick ahead of them. I think they would have
28:56
Speaker 3: been in on Walter Nolan. That could have been the pick.
28:57
Speaker 3: He ended up tearing his achilles. He looked really good
29:00
Speaker 3: in the time he did play. But will they see
29:03
Speaker 3: that and seize that chance this time? At ten with Woods,
29:06
Speaker 3: he probably ranks lowest of the guys here just based
29:09
Speaker 3: on tape and what we have seen recently.
29:11
Speaker 4: But as a prospect, he's still very strong.
29:14
Speaker 2: Safety Caleb Downs from Ohio State, another guy who's frequently
29:18
Speaker 2: been mocked to the Bengals. Bucky Brooks from NFL dot
29:21
Speaker 2: Com did that earlier today. To take a safety in
29:25
Speaker 2: the top ten, he has to be elite, to say
29:29
Speaker 2: the least, maybe more than elite.
29:31
Speaker 1: Whatever the next level would be is Caleb Downs. That guy.
29:35
Speaker 3: He probably is in in a weird way because he's
29:38
Speaker 3: not what we normally see from these safeties that get
29:41
Speaker 3: drafted high, typically the Sean Taylors, the Kyla Hamilton's, even
29:44
Speaker 3: the Nick Min Warriors who didn't go high but scored
29:46
Speaker 3: really high for us.
29:47
Speaker 4: Those are the freaks in terms of heightweight, speed, right
29:51
Speaker 4: and Downs. Isn't that.
29:52
Speaker 3: He's probably six foot I hope, and he might be
29:55
Speaker 3: five to eleven. We'll see when he weighs in. Listened
29:57
Speaker 3: at about two hundred and two o five depending on
29:59
Speaker 3: where you love. So he doesn't have that. I do
30:01
Speaker 3: think he's an elite athlete though, And he was a
30:03
Speaker 3: former pump returner and can be a punt returner if
30:06
Speaker 3: you need him to be.
30:07
Speaker 4: Uh and you see when he is moving.
30:10
Speaker 3: He's very fluid on the field. On the field, very smart,
30:13
Speaker 3: great communicator. Under he looks different. I don't Ohio State
30:17
Speaker 3: defense that is littered with potential first round picks. Right Downs,
30:21
Speaker 3: You go, who's that? Oh it's Downs?
30:22
Speaker 4: Of course it's too he's making the play here, so
30:25
Speaker 4: he has all this.
30:26
Speaker 3: I think he's been pegged as a strong safety type,
30:29
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's I think you're limiting him
30:32
Speaker 3: if you're taking him at ten. To me, if you're
30:34
Speaker 3: taking him at ten, it's because he can play the
30:36
Speaker 3: slot and the times he did and it was like
30:39
Speaker 3: a twenty percent clip when he did. Based on PFF
30:41
Speaker 3: and our database, he's in the ninety ninth percent out
30:44
Speaker 3: for man coverage grade like and that's what even Warry
30:46
Speaker 3: was too. That's why I was like, hey, that two
30:48
Speaker 3: hundred thirty pounds. Even Warri can play the slot. He's
30:50
Speaker 3: done it and he's been really good at it. I
30:52
Speaker 3: think Downs can do that for you as well. So
30:54
Speaker 3: even if you signed a safety and had battle and
30:57
Speaker 3: had Downs, you could figure that out and then you
30:59
Speaker 3: have Dax Hill and j Turner.
31:00
Speaker 4: Sounds like a really good secondary to me.
31:02
Speaker 3: But I think Downs is one of those young high
31:06
Speaker 3: recruit always been good eighteen year old production. Like we
31:10
Speaker 3: said at Alabama though, that is a good sign for
31:12
Speaker 3: your future.
31:13
Speaker 4: I don't have any reservations about picking him.
31:15
Speaker 3: My only thing is, yeah, it's a safety, and typically safety,
31:18
Speaker 3: the value to pick those spots is in rounds two
31:21
Speaker 3: and three because immediately they become one of the higher
31:24
Speaker 3: paid players, and especially that fifth year option becomes very expensive.
31:28
Speaker 2: All right, Your most recent draft video was about Jermad McCoy,
31:33
Speaker 2: cornerback from Tennessee who missed last year with a torn
31:35
Speaker 2: acl The NFL networks Daniel Jeremiah had him as the
31:39
Speaker 2: Bengals first round pick, number ten overall, and you said
31:43
Speaker 2: on X I'm fine with it. Explain why because a
31:47
Speaker 2: lot of Bengals fans were not fine with it.
31:50
Speaker 3: So I'm glad we saved this one to the end
31:51
Speaker 3: because when I started here the first question, I'm like,
31:54
Speaker 3: I kind of don't want to look at positions right away.
31:55
Speaker 3: I want to be open to good players. I want
31:57
Speaker 3: to be more open. I want to I want to
31:59
Speaker 3: have clear eye.
32:00
Speaker 4: I want the Bengals to do this.
32:01
Speaker 3: I want them to fill every hole in free agency
32:03
Speaker 3: and then show up to the draft and say, who
32:05
Speaker 3: is the best player at pick ten, Who's the best prospect,
32:07
Speaker 3: Who's going to be the best player in twenty twenty seven,
32:10
Speaker 3: twenty eight to twenty nine. You can't predict their needs
32:13
Speaker 3: at that point, right I know corner is not their
32:15
Speaker 3: top need, but is an elite talent their top need
32:18
Speaker 3: on defense? Yet is getting a Pro Bowl player on defense.
32:21
Speaker 3: Top need, Yes, is getting somebody that can be a shutdown.
32:24
Speaker 4: Game changer type player.
32:26
Speaker 3: Yes, that is a need on this team, and it
32:28
Speaker 3: may be in just a year or two. Both DJ
32:31
Speaker 3: Turner and Dax Hill are in the final years of
32:33
Speaker 3: their deals.
32:34
Speaker 4: Let's hope they extend both.
32:35
Speaker 3: And insign in a conversation, but the Bengals for seven
32:38
Speaker 3: years in a row now have needed that fourth year
32:41
Speaker 3: or that fourth cornerback to play starter snaps, five hundred
32:44
Speaker 3: snaps or more. They go down, they get hurt. So
32:47
Speaker 3: drafting a guy like this and maybe Dax goes back
32:50
Speaker 3: into the slot and we move them again, and now
32:53
Speaker 3: it's it's McCoy and it's Hill or turn around the
32:57
Speaker 3: outside and Hill on the slot, and your secondary is
32:59
Speaker 3: an elite secondary.
33:00
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with that. So let me
33:01
Speaker 4: tell you what McCoy can do.
33:03
Speaker 3: I put on the tape against Alabama, so we know
33:05
Speaker 3: we got Ryan Williams, a guy who's ultimately a top
33:07
Speaker 3: five to ten pick. You can also put on the
33:09
Speaker 3: Hio State game and then he that's probably his worst game.
33:12
Speaker 3: So you know, depending on Ohio State, fans may say
33:14
Speaker 3: liter like McCoy got roasted by a guy who's probably
33:17
Speaker 3: a top three pick and when he comes out, but McCoy,
33:19
Speaker 3: when you're watching that film, he was nineteen years old
33:23
Speaker 3: and he is moving at a pace that nobody else
33:26
Speaker 3: moving at. Ryan Williams is the fastest. It's no, he's
33:29
Speaker 3: not breaking a sweat to stay over top of him.
33:31
Speaker 3: He turns, locates the ball. He's riding these guys out
33:34
Speaker 3: out of bounds easily. He looks strong, he looks physical,
33:37
Speaker 3: he looks smart. He understands how he's being attacked by
33:39
Speaker 3: combo routes and routes coming up behind him. He has
33:42
Speaker 3: a one handed interception in the end zone on a
33:44
Speaker 3: fade ball in that game against Alabama, and you go, okay,
33:48
Speaker 3: so the tape.
33:49
Speaker 4: Is really really good. But he's dealing with an injury.
33:51
Speaker 3: He tore his acl while training in the off season
33:54
Speaker 3: of January of twenty twenty five. So by the time
33:58
Speaker 3: you see him, if he they said he could have
34:00
Speaker 3: came back at then the Tennessee season this year, but
34:03
Speaker 3: they said it's not worth it.
34:04
Speaker 4: We're out of it. And then I expect he's going
34:07
Speaker 4: to be able.
34:07
Speaker 3: To work out then because we're over a year recovery
34:10
Speaker 3: on a nine month injury that in modern medicine terms, right,
34:14
Speaker 3: it used to be man, you never know, but now
34:16
Speaker 3: we expect these guys to get back and look at
34:18
Speaker 3: it in a year. We expect him to be their
34:20
Speaker 3: full self in about a year and a half. We're
34:22
Speaker 3: just right when the season would start. So if you
34:25
Speaker 3: watch him and you look at him at nineteen and say, wow,
34:28
Speaker 3: that is a dominant player at a position that is
34:32
Speaker 3: hard to find, that typically gets taken in the top twelve,
34:34
Speaker 3: and if you can get them, do it if you can.
34:38
Speaker 3: I'm looking at my rankings right now. We're very early
34:41
Speaker 3: in our system of the spreadsheets. We just have broad data,
34:44
Speaker 3: and I do have film grade in for him. Now
34:46
Speaker 3: he's eighth on our sheet right now. He's going to
34:48
Speaker 3: score very high as long as he tests well. In
34:52
Speaker 3: that case, there are many scenarios where he is the
34:54
Speaker 3: top player available at pick ten, And I don't think
34:57
Speaker 3: we should close our eyes and shut the door on
34:59
Speaker 3: it right away just because we don't need a corner.
35:01
Speaker 3: A lot of this is going to change. Ask me
35:03
Speaker 3: again what our needs are in April after free agency.
35:06
Speaker 3: Ask me again what they are week one after you
35:07
Speaker 3: survived training camp, ask me again what they are week ten,
35:10
Speaker 3: and then hopefully in the playoffs in January.
35:12
Speaker 4: I bet it's going to change each time, all.
35:14
Speaker 1: Right, Joe.
35:14
Speaker 2: In addition to your A draft analysis, you've been doing
35:17
Speaker 2: some tape reviews of several key Bengals players from last year,
35:20
Speaker 2: including Miles Murphy, the rookie linebackers, Marius Mims, and some others.
35:25
Speaker 2: Let's start with Miles Murphy. He is eligible for the
35:28
Speaker 2: fifth year option this year. The number would be thirteen
35:31
Speaker 2: point six milor or something close to that. What do
35:35
Speaker 2: you think about that? And also how Miles Murphy played
35:39
Speaker 2: this year.
35:40
Speaker 3: I thought Murphy definitely took a step, and the biggest
35:42
Speaker 3: step for me was in is intensity.
35:45
Speaker 4: I thought that ramped up.
35:47
Speaker 3: It was always a question I like, I guess like
35:50
Speaker 3: Jermain Pratt. When I watched my Clemson I thought, you know,
35:52
Speaker 3: just he's a one pace kind of player. Didn't really
35:56
Speaker 3: ever turn it up in situations where he needed it,
35:58
Speaker 3: and then the first couple of years, I don't know
36:00
Speaker 3: if he's ever going to get that. The big issues
36:02
Speaker 3: for me was his intensity and then his hand usage,
36:05
Speaker 3: and the hand usage got slightly better. I think that's
36:08
Speaker 3: his last step to really grow and become a ten
36:10
Speaker 3: plus sack guy. But to me, is intensity ramped up.
36:14
Speaker 3: Is he started hustling and chasing guys down. Think of
36:16
Speaker 3: the where he runs behind and catches Derek Henry forty
36:19
Speaker 3: yards down the field. That was starting to happen more routinely.
36:21
Speaker 3: And then the other thing that's huge for any player
36:24
Speaker 3: once they start getting snaps and consistent snaps. So we
36:27
Speaker 3: can never really judge this on Miles Murphy the first
36:29
Speaker 3: couple of years because we didn't have consistent snaps. But
36:31
Speaker 3: in year three he got them, and it was his
36:34
Speaker 3: awareness of where the ball is going, how to take
36:37
Speaker 3: on blocks, stack him, shot him, find the ball, you know,
36:40
Speaker 3: disengage and shed that guy and go make a play.
36:43
Speaker 3: In the first couple of years, it leads you, if
36:45
Speaker 3: you're watching, you go, I just don't know if he's
36:47
Speaker 3: ever going to be a good player. But then consistent
36:49
Speaker 3: snaps happen, that starts to happen more frequently, and you're like,
36:52
Speaker 3: he does know what's happening. He does have the mentality
36:55
Speaker 3: to do this, especially from an intelligence level and intensity
36:57
Speaker 3: of strength length. We're talking about a guy who has
37:00
Speaker 3: one of the best getoffs in the league. I think
37:03
Speaker 3: he can play and help. And does that mean he's
37:05
Speaker 3: a number one pass rusher? I don't know that yet.
37:07
Speaker 3: I don't think he's answered that question. Does it mean
37:09
Speaker 3: he can be one of your top three guys in
37:11
Speaker 3: a good team and a good pass rush that starts
37:14
Speaker 3: and rotates and plays a bunch of different positions. I
37:17
Speaker 3: do think he can be that, and the Bengals need answers.
37:19
Speaker 3: I think he's an answer right now until further notice.
37:23
Speaker 2: Is Amarus Mims, DJ Turner or any other young player
37:27
Speaker 2: on his way to being one of the best at
37:29
Speaker 2: his position.
37:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mems is Mems.
37:32
Speaker 3: He took a step that I was hoping for, and
37:36
Speaker 3: in the early part of the season I wasn't sure
37:37
Speaker 3: what much Like the offensive line we talked about the
37:39
Speaker 3: first month was kind of a grind. I think it
37:41
Speaker 3: took a minute for them to really embrace and fully
37:44
Speaker 3: execute what Scott Peters was looking for. And then I
37:47
Speaker 3: think maybe Don't Riser may have helped that as well,
37:49
Speaker 3: put plugging him in next to Mims, because when they
37:51
Speaker 3: were together, they seem to really have a good connection
37:54
Speaker 3: and to pick up stunts and everything. But Mems himself,
37:57
Speaker 3: he's funny because he's a one pace guy.
38:00
Speaker 4: Right.
38:00
Speaker 3: I always wondered if he had the intensity. But his
38:02
Speaker 3: pace is he's moving like it is no problem. Like
38:06
Speaker 3: these guys, they're a buzzing of flies to him, right,
38:08
Speaker 3: They're just it is nothing. You want to run through him,
38:11
Speaker 3: you want to run around him. Nothing works when he's consistent.
38:14
Speaker 3: When he's on, and he became really consistent in the
38:15
Speaker 3: second half. He's just a bunch of guys in there folding.
38:18
Speaker 3: They're sending a blitz his way.
38:20
Speaker 4: One hand.
38:20
Speaker 3: These guys are there, they're sliding to the ground. He
38:23
Speaker 3: looks like it's easy to him, and that's what we
38:25
Speaker 3: always wanted. Like when we were watching him at Georgia,
38:27
Speaker 3: only questions really were like, he doesn't have a lot
38:30
Speaker 3: of snaps. You think he looks good. He looks really
38:32
Speaker 3: good in his limited snaps. So what happens if you
38:34
Speaker 3: got a lot of tape on him? What happens if
38:36
Speaker 3: he has to play for nine hundred and fifty snaps
38:38
Speaker 3: in a season? How is that going to look? Our
38:39
Speaker 3: defense is going to figure it out? And no, they
38:41
Speaker 3: don't figure it out. If anything, he got better, he
38:44
Speaker 3: looks like, man, if you could predicted this type of
38:47
Speaker 3: curve for him, he would have never been there for
38:49
Speaker 3: the Bengals that pick eighteen, he would have went in
38:52
Speaker 3: this class, he probably is the first offensive tackle taken.
38:54
Speaker 3: He probably goes top ten. The Chiefs at nine would
38:57
Speaker 3: love to have an Amariusmin's. I'll tell you that I
38:59
Speaker 3: think he's on pay be. He's already probably a top
39:02
Speaker 3: ten right tackle, if not top five. I'd have to
39:04
Speaker 3: rank him and sit down and think about it. But
39:05
Speaker 3: he's on pace to being one of the best at
39:07
Speaker 3: that position.
39:08
Speaker 4: No doubt.
39:09
Speaker 2: How about DJ Turner and Dax Hill as a combo.
39:13
Speaker 3: I really liked him as a combo. I was high
39:15
Speaker 3: on both right like so for us. Dax Hill was
39:18
Speaker 3: I think the number nine player in that draft class.
39:21
Speaker 3: DJ Turner was one of the best man cover guys
39:23
Speaker 3: coming out of his class. We're talking about speed, athleticism,
39:27
Speaker 3: good guys, intelligent, right like.
39:29
Speaker 4: I like that pairing. I still think.
39:33
Speaker 3: Dax has some upside as a slot guy because I
39:35
Speaker 3: look around the league and all these final teams are
39:37
Speaker 3: really executing that position to their advantage. But when the
39:41
Speaker 3: Bengals kicked him out to the boundary last year and
39:43
Speaker 3: then for the second half of this year, he has
39:45
Speaker 3: played at a level I didn't know he could play
39:47
Speaker 3: on the boundary and that is worth keeping him there
39:50
Speaker 3: and just letting that go and saying, you know what,
39:53
Speaker 3: normally you don't like these high cut, leggy guys at
39:56
Speaker 3: that spot. But it does not seem to affect Dax.
39:58
Speaker 3: He seems to.
40:00
Speaker 4: Move really well nowhere guys routes are going.
40:02
Speaker 3: It must be the intelligence film aspect of it, where
40:05
Speaker 3: he's moving at at the same speed the receivers are
40:08
Speaker 3: and is able to mirror them and get in front
40:10
Speaker 3: of them before the ball egman gets there. I really
40:12
Speaker 3: impressed with Dex moving from all these positions and then
40:15
Speaker 3: finding out you're boundary corner. That's the hardest of them all, like,
40:18
Speaker 3: so for him to do that, very impressed with that.
40:21
Speaker 3: DJ Turner, on the other hand, I thought he ended
40:23
Speaker 3: last year when he broke his I think it was
40:25
Speaker 3: the classical right in twenty twenty four, the Chargers game.
40:28
Speaker 4: That Chargers game was great, that tape was amazing.
40:31
Speaker 3: I'm like, the last few weeks here Turner has been great,
40:35
Speaker 3: and then I couldn't understand how we were in the
40:37
Speaker 3: summer and he wasn't getting starter snaps and that he
40:41
Speaker 3: was Yeah, he's getting beat sometimes by Jamar Chase and
40:44
Speaker 3: T Higgins. That happens, like I'm not. I never took
40:46
Speaker 3: that as a negative, especially when he on the reviews
40:50
Speaker 3: and all the film and all the stuff you do,
40:51
Speaker 3: the post you do in the camp really helped me
40:53
Speaker 3: with seeing these players and see how they progress. But
40:56
Speaker 3: watching Turner, even though he gets beat down this play,
40:58
Speaker 3: the fluidity, the speed, how quickly his feet plant and
41:02
Speaker 3: he cuts and turns, how he's got a hand on
41:05
Speaker 3: these guys, sees the ball, he's tracking it, he's going
41:07
Speaker 3: up for it. He's not the longest guy. So if
41:10
Speaker 3: he catches the ball over him, fine, most guys are
41:12
Speaker 3: gonna struggle. Most guys are not T Higgins out there
41:14
Speaker 3: we've seen and aren't gonna catch that ball over DJ Turner.
41:18
Speaker 3: That's the thing I had a question on. Can he
41:20
Speaker 3: be physical enough that rookie year, he was a butterfly,
41:23
Speaker 3: He was right around you, but not really physical. Guys
41:26
Speaker 3: would catch the ball with him on you know. DJ
41:28
Speaker 3: Turner was a backpack along for the ride there. But
41:30
Speaker 3: he's become more physical, He's gotten stronger, He's finding a
41:32
Speaker 3: way to knock those balls out at the catch point
41:35
Speaker 3: or afterwards, and when guys are pulling it in DJ Turner,
41:37
Speaker 3: punching it out after or ripping it out of DK
41:39
Speaker 3: metcalf talking about physicality, you play DJ Turner there. So
41:43
Speaker 3: we're talking about a guy who's super athletic, great and
41:46
Speaker 3: man coverage and has found the ability to find the
41:48
Speaker 3: ball and make plays on the ball. To me, I
41:51
Speaker 3: want that and I would like to lock these guys
41:53
Speaker 3: up three year deals for both. Is this the Jonathan
41:55
Speaker 3: Joseph and Leon Hall situation where you get one contract
41:59
Speaker 3: basically who wants to take it?
42:00
Speaker 4: Give them both the contract fifteen million a year or so.
42:03
Speaker 3: I think you have keep a strength the strength of
42:05
Speaker 3: your team.
42:07
Speaker 2: Dax is under contract as part of his fifth year
42:09
Speaker 2: option this year. DJ's going into the final year of
42:13
Speaker 2: his rookie deal, so is Chase Brown. So for the
42:15
Speaker 2: first time DJ and Chase Brown can be extended, Miles
42:20
Speaker 2: Murphy can be extended. Would you be surprised if the
42:24
Speaker 2: Bengals get deals done with some of these guys? Obviously
42:27
Speaker 2: Bengals fans would like to see some of these guys
42:30
Speaker 2: signed early in the process, if possible.
42:33
Speaker 4: They're earlier. You do it.
42:34
Speaker 3: The more money you save, right, you not only get
42:37
Speaker 3: ahead of the other positions, and players are going to
42:39
Speaker 3: be signed in free agency and extensions from the same
42:41
Speaker 3: draft class that everyone just you know you want to
42:44
Speaker 3: beat them. If you're the last contract, you tend to
42:45
Speaker 3: get more than the guy previous to you, So get
42:48
Speaker 3: them done early. We saw this happen with t and Jamar.
42:50
Speaker 3: They probably could have saved five to eight million dollars
42:53
Speaker 3: on their cap each year if they had got ahead
42:54
Speaker 3: of it. That's big. That's a starter. It's a starting
42:57
Speaker 3: defensive end. And I don't think that it's anything to
43:01
Speaker 3: just brush off because the way the Bengals do business,
43:03
Speaker 3: I think they should remain aggressive now. I think there
43:06
Speaker 3: is a point also, where do you pay the running back?
43:10
Speaker 3: Do you pay Chase Brown? I like Chase Brown. He's
43:12
Speaker 3: become every We had a second round score on Chase
43:14
Speaker 3: Brown in our spreadsheets.
43:15
Speaker 4: Fifth round.
43:16
Speaker 3: I was like, Yes, this is gonna be the dude
43:17
Speaker 3: I'm I was in and he has been everything that
43:20
Speaker 3: especially a great fit for this offense.
43:22
Speaker 4: But do you pay running back? Do you is that required?
43:25
Speaker 3: There's so many in free agency every year we're gonna
43:27
Speaker 3: see Kenneth Walker and Breist Hall and free agency and
43:31
Speaker 3: how much are they going to get and is it
43:32
Speaker 3: worth it to even get close to that? They're Tyler
43:35
Speaker 3: Aljier is a good running back who got supplanted by
43:37
Speaker 3: b John Robinson. He's a free agent. Rico Dowdle's a
43:40
Speaker 3: free agent. Again, do you have to pay Chase Brown?
43:43
Speaker 3: I don't know that you do, But if you get
43:44
Speaker 3: ahead of it, you can use that last year.
43:46
Speaker 4: Of their deal.
43:47
Speaker 3: This works for DJ Turner, this works for Miles Murphy
43:49
Speaker 3: and Chase Brown. If you get ahead of it and
43:51
Speaker 3: say we're gonna do it like the Bills do, like
43:52
Speaker 3: the Eagles do. These these are teams that are aggressive
43:55
Speaker 3: with extensions. Sometimes it fights them, but really you're in
43:58
Speaker 3: a super Bowl window.
43:58
Speaker 4: You're trying to win it. Now, you take that last year.
44:01
Speaker 3: So if DJ turns making four million dollars and you
44:03
Speaker 3: give them a fifteen million dollar contract today it's three
44:06
Speaker 3: years forty five, you're going to give them that's fifteen
44:08
Speaker 3: million dollars a year on the extension. But I think
44:10
Speaker 3: the Bengals should look at it this way, and this
44:12
Speaker 3: is how I look at it. It'll really be a
44:13
Speaker 3: four year forty nine million dollar deal, So really you're
44:16
Speaker 3: only in twelve point what three million dollars per year Like,
44:20
Speaker 3: that's that's less. That's that's manageable. I can now save
44:23
Speaker 3: a little bit of money on the cap in future
44:25
Speaker 3: years because I got ahead of it and I used
44:27
Speaker 3: that last year of.
44:27
Speaker 4: Their deal to lower the total of the deal.
44:31
Speaker 3: So if you're going to do it, do it early.
44:32
Speaker 3: And if you're not going to do it early, I'm
44:34
Speaker 3: less interested.
44:36
Speaker 2: All right, last thing for you, Joe, kind of a
44:38
Speaker 2: big picture question. All three teams, all three other teams
44:42
Speaker 2: in the AFC North will have new coaches. Buffalo is
44:46
Speaker 2: going to have a new head coach, plus new coordinators,
44:48
Speaker 2: plus a new offensive line coach. They had a really
44:51
Speaker 2: good one who retired. Patrick Mahomes is coming back from
44:54
Speaker 2: a torn ACL. So a lot of the teams that
44:56
Speaker 2: you would expect to contend in the AFC have some
45:00
Speaker 2: legitimate issues going into next season. Furthermore, the Bengals have
45:03
Speaker 2: a third play scheduled. They've only got four games against
45:06
Speaker 2: teams that had winning records this year. Having said all
45:10
Speaker 2: of that, do things line up for the Bengals to
45:14
Speaker 2: have a bounce back?
45:14
Speaker 1: Here?
45:17
Speaker 4: Dan for the fourth straight year.
45:18
Speaker 3: I think of us talking, I'm going to say this
45:20
Speaker 3: is the most important offseason in Bengals history again, and
45:22
Speaker 3: it feels that.
45:23
Speaker 4: Way, and I can't believe we're I'm gonna fall forward again.
45:26
Speaker 3: They're gonna pull the football out as I go and
45:28
Speaker 3: kick it, and I'm gonna get excited and get ready.
45:30
Speaker 4: But yes, if they want to do this is.
45:33
Speaker 3: All in front of them. There is no They have
45:36
Speaker 3: all the cap space. They have cash space, too, don't
45:39
Speaker 3: we know everyone talks about cap we have to talk
45:41
Speaker 3: about cash.
45:41
Speaker 4: So much as Bengals fans and analysts. They have cash space.
45:44
Speaker 3: They're all the cap numbers and these contract they they've
45:47
Speaker 3: given out recently Joe Burrow to our Chasey Higgins, and
45:49
Speaker 3: the cash that they're paying them in year two for
45:51
Speaker 3: the receivers and for Burrow this year goes down, they
45:55
Speaker 3: are actually getting some relief there. The cap numbers are
45:57
Speaker 3: with there. That's why they could restructure these guys if
45:59
Speaker 3: they want to and creating more cap space. But that
46:02
Speaker 3: means cash they can spend, and I expect them to spend,
46:05
Speaker 3: and they typically spend a certain amount of cash every
46:08
Speaker 3: single year.
46:08
Speaker 4: It's pretty predictable. It's just math.
46:10
Speaker 3: If you're a pessimist and say they're not going to
46:12
Speaker 3: do anything in free agency, it's just math this time.
46:15
Speaker 3: This time, they have to go pay some guys. Unless
46:17
Speaker 3: it's extensions for DJ Dax, Miles Murphy and Chase Brown,
46:21
Speaker 3: then we go, okay, well, there's all the cash, that's
46:22
Speaker 3: where it went. But I don't expect that to happen
46:25
Speaker 3: that way. I do expect them to go and get
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Speaker 3: some veterans in here. I think the pressure has mounted.
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Speaker 3: Everyone can feel it. I don't know if it's to
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Speaker 3: the extreme levels that the national media likes to make it,
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Speaker 3: you know, with Joe Burrow and things like that. But
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Speaker 3: I think everyone's realizing, like hey, and even the coaches
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Speaker 3: on this team that you know, I have another year now.
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Speaker 3: We need to make something happen. It's all in front
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Speaker 3: of us. Go outside the right guys, keep everyone healthy.
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Speaker 3: That's huge again, and if you do it, if you
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Speaker 3: make the right choices. In their history, we don't have
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Speaker 3: a lot of faith as Bengals fans that they'll do
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Speaker 3: the right things in free agency, that they'll do the
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Speaker 3: right things with caps and contracts, and that they'll draft
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Speaker 3: right but let me tell you this, They've had great
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Speaker 3: drafts in their history. They have in recent history. They've
47:03
Speaker 3: had great free agent off seasons. They've made some great
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Speaker 3: value contract signings, all with the same people in the
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Speaker 3: front office that make those decisions. They have the pieces
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Speaker 3: in the formula, they know how to do it, They
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Speaker 3: could do it, and if they do do it, I
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Speaker 3: think they'll be in great shape for twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: What do we have to look forward to and Bengals
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Speaker 2: on the brain more draft prospects.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try and get to a list of ten
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Speaker 3: to twelve guys that we really would love to have.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's not the position, Maybe it's stremonn McQuay right,
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Speaker 3: maybe we'll slot him a little lower because he isn't
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Speaker 3: a dire need.
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Speaker 4: But let's get to twelve guys that we absolutely would.
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Speaker 3: Love to have at that spot, and then let's be
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Speaker 3: aware as the process goes, who could enter that conversation
47:44
Speaker 3: as the combine happens in pro days and all these
47:47
Speaker 3: same Senior Bowls happening this week as well, so guys
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Speaker 3: may get close to it, and then we'll go into
47:51
Speaker 3: free agency because that'll be you know, shortly after we
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Speaker 3: get to that point and start to look at more
47:56
Speaker 3: free agents and what they can do. Players that maybe
47:59
Speaker 3: you remember from college and really haven't kept up on them.
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Speaker 4: So let's watch the tape.
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Speaker 3: Let's see what they're doing, Let's see what they look like,
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Speaker 3: let's see how they could help the Bengals, what their
48:05
Speaker 3: contract projections.
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Speaker 4: Look like, and we'll go from there. We'll try and
48:08
Speaker 4: build the team as weekend as fans.
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Speaker 2: Bengals on the Brain is free on YouTube, but you
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Speaker 2: also have some subscription level content for people that are interested.
48:16
Speaker 2: What is that and how can they get it?
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Speaker 3: So that has really really expanded, it's grown. It comes
48:22
Speaker 3: with a discord link where there's.
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Speaker 4: A thousand Bengals fans in there.
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Speaker 3: You don't have to worry about Chiefs fans or Ravens
48:27
Speaker 3: fans jumping in your mentions and ruining your day.
48:29
Speaker 4: It's all just.
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Speaker 3: Bengals fans in there, which is a good time and
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Speaker 3: everyone's sharing information. Haven't but the subscription part of the Twitter,
48:37
Speaker 3: I've been doing probably making too much content.
48:38
Speaker 4: My family's probably worried about me. They're wondering where I'm at.
48:41
Speaker 3: I'm doing probably four or five videos a day while
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Speaker 3: on free agent profiles on draft prospects of just going
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Speaker 3: through Like when PFF had their top two hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty list, I said, Okay, let's do a video. Let's
48:52
Speaker 3: go through them, Let's see who makes sense where they're ranked.
48:54
Speaker 3: Let's create a line of where we think upgrades would be.
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Speaker 3: Gino Stone was at.
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Speaker 4: Like ninety something and I'm like, well, there's the line.
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Speaker 3: Let's get at anything better than what pffics Genostone is at.
49:03
Speaker 4: Safety.
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Speaker 3: So we have fun with it, but also try to
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Speaker 3: give you film data, information and just keep the content
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Speaker 3: rolling for you.
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Speaker 2: Nobody is creating better Bengals content than you are. The
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Speaker 2: expression must watch, I think is often overused, but in
49:20
Speaker 2: your case it is not. I try to watch everything
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Speaker 2: you crank out there, and I really appreciate the time
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Speaker 2: you give me today.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Joe, Thank you Dan.
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