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81.2: Skeksis Rule! · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: The great conjunction comes. Now we will live forever.
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  Speaker 2: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 2: Picture Association of America.
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  Speaker 3: It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 1: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 5: Hi, this is Bill Diamond, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 6: It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 2: Another world. Another time. In the Age of Wonder. A
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  Speaker 2: thousand years ago, this land was green and good. Until
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  Speaker 2: the crystal cracked. For a single piece was lost. A
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  Speaker 2: shard of the crystal. Then strife began. and two new
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  Speaker 2: races appeared, the cruel Skeksis, the gentle mystics. Here in
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  Speaker 2: the castle of the crystal, the Skeksis took control. Now
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  Speaker 2: the Skeksis gather in the sacred chamber, where the crystal
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  Speaker 2: hangs above a shaft of air and fire.
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  Speaker 7: Until the crystal cracked.
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  Speaker 8: A single piece was lost.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome to Movie Meltdown Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, I am Brian.
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  Speaker 10: Roger.
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  Speaker 1: Johnny.
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  Speaker 7: I am still Misty.
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  Speaker 11: I'm Jake. This week's Sofa Theater feature is The Dark Crystal.
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  Speaker 11: The year is 1982. Director Jim Henson and Frank Oz.
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  Speaker 11: The plot, which for once off of IMDb isn't horrible.
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  Speaker 11: On another planet in a distant past, a gelfling embarks
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  Speaker 11: on a quest to find the missing shard of a
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  Speaker 11: magic crystal to restore order to his world. It's not bad, actually.
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  Speaker 12: Unusual.
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  Speaker 11: So we'll throw out a generalized spoiler alert now, but
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  Speaker 11: if you haven't seen this, for shame, go take it
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  Speaker 11: upon yourself right now and watch it.
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  Speaker 1: You had not seen this.
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  Speaker 11: Movie up until now.
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  Speaker 4: No, I avoided it.
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  Speaker 1: You avoided it just because.
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  Speaker 9: I just didn't feel like seeing it.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those movies. If I'm not in the
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  Speaker 1: mood to see it, I just don't want to see it. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 13: I think Isabel would probably like it.
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  Speaker 1: Isabel's seen it.
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  Speaker 9: It's actually one of the movies that she has, and
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  Speaker 9: her mom and her have watched it a bunch of times.
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  Speaker 9: And it's one of those things I was always at work,
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  Speaker 9: so I got out of most of those movies. The
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  Speaker 9: only reason I ever sat through Labyrinth was because I
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  Speaker 9: had to.
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  Speaker 14: And Labyrinth is awesome. And it involved David Bowie's package.
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  Speaker 15: Yikes.
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  Speaker 11: That's what it's all about.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually in the credits.
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  Speaker 3: His codpiece is credited in the credits.
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  Speaker 14: Has top billing on the poster.
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  Speaker 11: Wow.
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  Speaker 16: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 12: It's deep, Roy.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say.
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  Speaker 10: It's actually a very small man that he's texted to
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  Speaker 10: his dad.
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  Speaker 6: That's Deep Roy.
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  Speaker 1: Strap him.
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  Speaker 11: On that note. Gives a new name to nut huggers. Alright,
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  Speaker 11: we will delve into another edition of.
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  Speaker 11: Where this time, we can swing the vault door open
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  Speaker 11: wide and head on over to the stacks of movies
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  Speaker 11: with Muppets in them, because those are all awesome.
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  Speaker 6: Or the early ones, anyway.
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  Speaker 1: They don't happen anymore.
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  Speaker 11: No, no, they don't.
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  Speaker 6: If they do, it's not the same.
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  Speaker 1: There are no more Muppets Take Manhattan or... the great
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  Speaker 1: Muppet Caper.
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  Speaker 11: They're trying.
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  Speaker 3: Muppet Treasure Island was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Wonder Chosen was good.
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  Speaker 6: That's not quite Muppets.
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  Speaker 1: They're Muppets. They're not Muppets. I love Civil and Ollie.
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  Speaker 13: I love Civil and Ollie.
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  Speaker 9: Actually, one of my buddies was on a couple of
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  Speaker 9: the episodes of Civil and Ollie.
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  Speaker 1: He did your tattoo. He was the devil.
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  Speaker 14: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 13: That's impressive fresh.
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  Speaker 6: I kind of remember that too, yeah. That's funny.
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  Speaker 14: Makes me have a new appreciation for my tattoo.
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  Speaker 11: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Satan did your tattoo. Satan did your tattoo.
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  Speaker 11: Awesome.
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  Speaker 17: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 11: So this week we'll hear once again from puppeteer and
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  Speaker 11: producer Bill Diamond and see what he says about working
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  Speaker 11: on this week's feature, The Dark Crystal.
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  Speaker 18: What all was involved in that? I mean, you say
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  Speaker 18: it was five years and what, as far as making
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  Speaker 18: of it?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Jim really wanted to... to get into it and
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  Speaker 5: create the whole environment. It wasn't just about the story
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  Speaker 5: and it wasn't.
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  Speaker 19: Just about the characters.
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  Speaker 5: When Brian Froud would draw, he would draw a whole world.
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  Speaker 5: And Jim was really interested in creating the whole world
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  Speaker 5: organically like no one had ever seen before.
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  Speaker 11: Now this is way before digital.
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, nobody had attempted with no human characters.
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  Speaker 5: It was pretty much the first film outside of cartoons
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  Speaker 5: that was ever done in a surreal environment.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, it's amazing how much they built up and how
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  Speaker 18: much of that were actual live-action sets. I mean, what size-wise?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, they were huge. Most of the sets were built
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  Speaker 5: in London, in London. in Pinewood Studios and also over
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  Speaker 5: in the, a couple of the other studios, L Street
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  Speaker 5: Studios had them. And they were huge. Like the main
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  Speaker 5: scene where the chamber of the crystal was gigantic. It
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  Speaker 5: was three stories tall.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, it was just.
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  Speaker 5: Amazing plaster work. You stand and it was like a cathedral.
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  Speaker 5: And then over in, you know, then they had the
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  Speaker 5: outdoor scenes, which were all inside. You know, I think
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  Speaker 5: it was done on the James Bond soundstage, which was
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  Speaker 5: one of the largest at its time.
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  Speaker 6: I think it still is.
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  Speaker 18: Pretty huge, yeah.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 18: Were there people doing specific characters, or was it kind
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  Speaker 18: of just trading off whoever did the work that day?
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, Jim did Jen, but one of the things
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  Speaker 5: that was really interesting that most people think everybody was
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  Speaker 5: a puppeteer really wasn't. Everyone, the Mystics or the Skeksis
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  Speaker 5: were puppeteers, but the Mystics and the Lance Riders, they
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  Speaker 5: were all.
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  Speaker 5: Entertainers as far as acrobats. They were circus people. We
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  Speaker 5: think of Circus Olay now. They were mimes, different people
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  Speaker 5: that did juggling, different people that did... He wanted a very.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting movement, not something that was going to be done
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  Speaker 5: by puppeteers, something that was going to be very organic.
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  Speaker 5: And that was never done, too. So that was something
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  Speaker 5: he really paid a lot of attention to. He loved
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  Speaker 5: little details. Jim really was into details.
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  Speaker 11: What all did you actually spend doing on that set? Like,
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  Speaker 11: what kind of work?
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  Speaker 5: Well, at that time, there were a number of things
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  Speaker 5: that were being done. I mean, the New York office,
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  Speaker 5: we were kind of putting up displays and things like that.
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  Speaker 5: What I did, Jim would.
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  Speaker 18: We would tape.
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  Speaker 5: whatever was being done, he was flying around. So you
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  Speaker 5: didn't have the internet and couldn't send things back and
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  Speaker 5: forth or whatever.
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  Speaker 15: So of course we did.
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  Speaker 5: Have video, captured stuff on video. A lot of the
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  Speaker 5: behind the scenes that you see are stuff that we
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  Speaker 5: cut for him to approve while he was going back
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  Speaker 5: and forth to New York or London or California or
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  Speaker 5: wherever he was. So he relied on that information before
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  Speaker 5: anything was ever shot on film.
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  Speaker 11: Alright, so once again, thank you to Bill for sharing
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  Speaker 11: our more stories of giant puppets and awesomeness.
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  Speaker 1: And what they do.
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  Speaker 11: Back into it for us.
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  Speaker 6: Where shall we begin?
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  Speaker 20: I guess out of all the movies from my childhood,
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  Speaker 20: this wasn't one of my actual favorites. But I still
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  Speaker 20: like it, and I still have an appreciation for it.
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  Speaker 20: But I guess I was more of a Labyrinth fan,
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  Speaker 20: or the Never Ending Story, and that same, you know,
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  Speaker 20: from that time frame. It never was my favorite, but
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  Speaker 20: it's still amazing to look at, and still amazing to watch,
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  Speaker 20: but It just.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 11: See, that was kind of the other way. I saw
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  Speaker 11: most of those as a kid. I saw this one,
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  Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure, in the theater. And this, like, I
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  Speaker 11: latched onto. This was my favorite. Like, I saw Labyrinth later.
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  Speaker 11: And I think why I didn't take to that as
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  Speaker 11: much is I think there was a lot more comic
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  Speaker 11: relief to it. And there was a little more of the, like,
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  Speaker 11: kind of playing it more for kids, where this one
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  Speaker 11: was just such a real story and such a dark story.
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  Speaker 11: and it didn't stray into the normal world at all.
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  Speaker 11: It was completely self-contained.
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  Speaker 14: Maybe that's why it bothered me. I can't take puppets
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  Speaker 14: that damn seriously. I like them enough.
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  Speaker 1: They look that cool, though. No, they still, it's like, I.
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  Speaker 14: Still can't connect, really.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, it's still, like, oh. You can't connect with puppets?
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  Speaker 14: No, it's still, like, I really don't, I'm not concerned
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  Speaker 14: about their safety whatsoever.
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  Speaker 11: I don't really care if they get hurt. I'm like,
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  Speaker 11: it's a puppet. What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 4: Sell it back together.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, I don't care.
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  Speaker 11: Blast.
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  Speaker 12: Okay, that will be.
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  Speaker 20: I'm still impressed with them. It's still fun to watch.
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  Speaker 20: I don't know. You're all going to be against me.
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  Speaker 10: I like puppets in general because I think puppetry is
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  Speaker 10: an art form in itself, whereas CGI and stuff like
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  Speaker 10: that that they do nowadays.
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  Speaker 9: I do wish they would bring back more puppets and
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  Speaker 9: drop the technology.
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  Speaker 20: That's why I connected with Labyrinth better because it at
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  Speaker 20: least had the main characters were people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had puppets in it, but still.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, I guess I.
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  Speaker 14: Connect, I don't know, which is I hate people, I
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  Speaker 14: can connect better with them.
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  Speaker 13: And they were singing in the labyrinth, which was.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's, I think, took it down for me, too.
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  Speaker 6: I was never big on.
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  Speaker 11: Breaking out into a song, where this was just so serious.
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  Speaker 6: It definitely worked on that level.
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  Speaker 11: But to put it all into context, this, that reminded
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  Speaker 11: me of a good way to sort of start off
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  Speaker 11: this process is, as we decided to Watch this movie.
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  Speaker 11: I realize I don't even think I have a good
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  Speaker 11: copy of it. So I went looking for it and
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  Speaker 11: I found it for relatively cheap and I went to
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  Speaker 11: buy it. And this was at a large retail store
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  Speaker 11: that I won't bother to plug. But it'll tell you
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  Speaker 11: who we're dealing with. This is a big chain store
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  Speaker 11: and you got the girl working behind the counter. And
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  Speaker 11: she goes to scan it and she picks it up
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  Speaker 11: and looks at it and goes, oh, this ain't good.
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  Speaker 11: And then she looks a little closer at the picture
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  Speaker 11: and goes, oh, it's cartoon. To which I immediately went, no,
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  Speaker 11: it's puppets, actually. I was going to fight with this chick.
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  Speaker 11: To which she then followed up with, oh, that's even worse.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Really?
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  Speaker 10: Wow.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah. I was just like... But then, once again, to
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  Speaker 11: your ignorance, went, the only puppets I like are the Muppets.
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  Speaker 11: And I went, well... And by this time, I was
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  Speaker 11: halfway into the description of what... I was like, you
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  Speaker 11: know what?
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  Speaker 6: I'm wasting my time.
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  Speaker 11: Never mind.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, just hit total. Let's move on.
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  Speaker 10: Don't waste your time on someone whose favorite TV show
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  Speaker 10: is the blue-collar comedy hour.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's definitely your radio.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 11: Well, not necessarily my... I don't know what she liked,
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  Speaker 11: but it did.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: It just puts it into, you know, different camps, different
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  Speaker 11: schools of thought because yeah, that was number one. She
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  Speaker 11: thought it was terrible because it was animated and then
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  Speaker 11: it was worse because it was puppets. So people have
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  Speaker 11: a very specific take on anything like that. Anything that's
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  Speaker 11: kind of different from the norm, specifically puppetry.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like we said, there isn't that many puppet movies out
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  Speaker 3: there anymore or that.
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  Speaker 1: Even involve puppets.
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  Speaker 3: Like even, Star Wars, I think they stopped using puppets
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  Speaker 3: in Episode 1 when Yoda was the puppet.
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  Speaker 1: And he sucked. He really sucked.
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  Speaker 11: That's what makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 11: That's what made no sense to me. I was like,
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  Speaker 11: how is it that in 1982 he looked awesome in 1981?
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  Speaker 9: He looked like you could actually reach in the screen
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  Speaker 9: and touch him, and now he looks like a.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's kind of like we just lost
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  Speaker 3: that skill or whatever. I mean, who's left that still
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  Speaker 3: does that? I mean, Frank Oz is still alive.
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  Speaker 11: They didn't lose the skill.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think he does any of that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It's not flashy, it's not new, it's not technology, which
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  Speaker 1: is why they don't want to touch it. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot more expensive, too.
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  Speaker 13: That's why I was so excited about Dinosaurs Lab, because
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  Speaker 13: it was.
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  Speaker 10: giant giant dinosaurs size puppets and i was like so excited.
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  Speaker 11: About that is awesome because the way you describe it
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  Speaker 11: is pretty close to what we were looking at seeing
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  Speaker 11: them do the behind the scenes stuff it's like it's
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  Speaker 11: really close to what you were saying they're doing with
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  Speaker 11: the dinosaurs yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I'm sorry i was walking with the dinosaurs my dinosaurs
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  Speaker 10: left but um That reminds me, recently, or, like, within
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  Speaker 10: the last couple of years, I saw this movie about
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  Speaker 10: puppets called Strings, and it was, like, this Greek tragedy,
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  Speaker 10: and it was just, it was kind of ridiculous.
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  Speaker 15: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 13: But it had puppets. It's a pretty recent movie.
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  Speaker 4: It's a dream.
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  Speaker 3: Well, wasn't there, like, some episode of Spike or something
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  Speaker 3: where it's called Happy Time where it's all puppets?
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  Speaker 12: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid like that. But we grew up with puppets. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: DC Follies, Fraggle Rock.
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  Speaker 11: Fraggle Rock, yeah. It's just, I don't know, it's hard to...
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  Speaker 11: The Muppet Show. Yeah, The Muppet Show is amazing. It
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  Speaker 11: still is one of the better shows ever. But it's
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  Speaker 11: weird when they try to work it into other stuff.
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  Speaker 11: I think that's what's harder to do. When it's its
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  Speaker 11: own self-contained thing, I think it's easier to take. When
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  Speaker 11: you throw a puppet into the middle of an episode
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  Speaker 11: of Angel.
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  Speaker 14: What about Craig the Bunny?
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  Speaker 11: That was terrible.
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  Speaker 4: That made no sense either. It's so hard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of.
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  Speaker 6: She loved it too.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I was going to say that show that was
• 14:39
  Speaker 13: like Married with Children, but it had a puppy. A puppy?
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  Speaker 20: Puppet?
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  Speaker 13: Puppet?
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  Speaker 9: Alf?
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  Speaker 11: Alf was almost the exception. It was pretty mainstream and
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  Speaker 11: was pretty well received, actually.
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  Speaker 1: I hated Alf, though.
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  Speaker 13: I liked it. When I was little, I loved it.
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  Speaker 13: I don't know if I'd like it now.
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  Speaker 4: It comes out to you, right?
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  Speaker 15: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: It did. It was terrible.
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  Speaker 1: I hated that episode.
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  Speaker 13: Now when we get puppets, it's that obnoxious comedian guy.
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  Speaker 11: Jiftern. He's in everything.
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  Speaker 1: What is he?
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  Speaker 4: He's a ventriloquist.
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  Speaker 16: I think he's pretty funny, but I can only watch
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  Speaker 16: him for like four to five minutes at a time.
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  Speaker 6: I just want to smack him.
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  Speaker 11: He's good. He's good at doing what he does, and
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  Speaker 11: he's been doing it forever. He was doing those same
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  Speaker 11: characters on the night show when Johnny was still hosting.
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  Speaker 6: I can't believe that guy's still around.
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  Speaker 1: He is old.
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  Speaker 21: I know.
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  Speaker 11: He hasn't aged at all, but he's been doing those
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  Speaker 11: characters forever. Maybe he's a puppet.
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  Speaker 4: The puppet devil.
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  Speaker 6: Puppet devil.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 20: I still think my favorite part about Dark Crystal is Fizzgig.
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  Speaker 20: Although I can't watch Twin Peaks without yelling Fizzgig every
• 15:48
  Speaker 20: time I see Laura Palmer's mom.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, Laura Palmer's mom looks exactly like Fizzgig.
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  Speaker 1: It's frightening.
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  Speaker 14: I've seen where she yells. You can almost see teeth
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  Speaker 14: in the back of her throat.
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  Speaker 20: Yikes.
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  Speaker 10: I love Fiskig, but it's been a couple of years
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  Speaker 10: since I've seen Dark Crystal.
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  Speaker 13: I don't think I realized how terrible of.
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  Speaker 4: A dog he was.
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  Speaker 13: He was the worst guard dog ever.
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  Speaker 14: He wasn't really a dog.
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  Speaker 1: He was more of a companion, I think, than he
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  Speaker 1: was like.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, he had dog-like personality.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: He's very dog-like, yeah.
• 16:19
  Speaker 13: He didn't dog-like things, but he was awful. He was
• 16:21
  Speaker 13: so useless. All he ever did was get him in
• 16:23
  Speaker 13: trouble and like.
• 16:26
  Speaker 11: He would be a good guard dog at your house
• 16:28
  Speaker 11: because he makes a lot of damn noise. He would
• 16:30
  Speaker 11: definitely let you know if somebody was there, but out
• 16:32
  Speaker 11: in the world, he just got them in trouble at
• 16:34
  Speaker 11: every turn.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: He was still so.
• 16:35
  Speaker 14: Cute while he was doing it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: He was kind of a popple.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: Can you turn him inside out?
• 16:43
  Speaker 14: Probably.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: They tried to.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: My favorites, of course, are always the Garth and I've
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: always loved the big beetle sentry warriors. When I was
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: a kid, they It was like this scary fascination that
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I had because when Jin falls in that pit or whatever,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: and then you hear the clicking, and all you see
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: is all.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: The eyes kind of light up.
• 17:02
  Speaker 11: That shot is amazing.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just remember that really kind of freaked me out,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: but I was just like, God, they're so cool, but
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: I'm so terrified by them.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I couldn't tell if
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: they were beetles or crabs. I think they're like crabs.
• 17:14
  Speaker 11: It's a mesh.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, an amalgamation. God, those would be deadly crabs to have.
• 17:19
  Speaker 10: Right? Yeah.
• 17:20
  Speaker 11: They based them on, like, oh, God.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: Butter dip.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Butter dip, of course.
• 17:27
  Speaker 11: But, yeah, they were, I think that was one of
• 17:30
  Speaker 11: those that really stuck with me as a kid, too. It's, like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 11: of all the other stuff that's weird in this world,
• 17:34
  Speaker 11: those were so freaky and, like, so creepy that. Every
• 17:38
  Speaker 11: turn they would just show up and be on top
• 17:40
  Speaker 11: of and like it was one of those.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Talking pieces just bust through walls Yeah, just can't get
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: away from doom.
• 17:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you're screwed when they show up.
• 17:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but yet they're still slow as dirt It seems
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: like it seems like everybody in this world is slow
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: as dirt except for those striders striders.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Striders everybody else just moves.
• 18:00
  Speaker 11: Really slow It's like going to Walmart.
• 18:02
  Speaker 22: It is.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: It's real sad because the adults die and then the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: little baby ones left alone.
• 18:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Because they jumped on the adults and let the little
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: child one behind.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I guess it's like, I'll just wait for you to
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: be here when I come back.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: They never came back.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: That's going to be the sequel.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The spin-off Landstrider movie. Lone Strider.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: They stole my parents.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Take revenge against the Gelflings.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: That'd be awesome, actually.
• 18:34
  Speaker 10: I like that Kira and Jen are just expected to
• 18:37
  Speaker 10: fall in love because they're like gelflings.
• 18:39
  Speaker 13: It's like, eh, you're a gelfling.
• 18:40
  Speaker 14: She's a gelfling.
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: I mean, that's a rule in any movie. When you
• 18:47
  Speaker 11: come across someone else that's of the same general age
• 18:49
  Speaker 11: group as you, that's the opposite gender, that's it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: You're done.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: That's all it takes.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: That's all it takes.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: It really is, and it's funny.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it's her, Agra.
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: It was pretty hot. I don't know what you're talking about.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: She had hard nipples the whole time.
• 19:05
  Speaker 11: I don't know what y'all are talking about.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: It's so weird to give a puppet, like, her hard nipples.
• 19:09
  Speaker 21: Like, grody, dude.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: That was the first time I noticed it. I'm not
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: just being a god knows how many times.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, whoa.
• 19:15
  Speaker 13: That's really disturbing.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: What's going on there, Agra?
• 19:18
  Speaker 15: Follow the greater sun for a day to the home
• 19:22
  Speaker 15: of Agra. Some directions. Who is Agra, anyway? One of
• 19:31
  Speaker 15: these things? Maybe she murders girl flings. What am I
• 19:37
  Speaker 15: doing here?
• 19:44
  Speaker 23: Are you.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: A Gelfling?
• 19:55
  Speaker 15: Yes, my name is Jen.
• 20:08
  Speaker 11: But Gelfling all dead.
• 20:09
  Speaker 15: Gotham, kill them all.
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: You can't be Gelfling.
• 20:12
  Speaker 15: You look like Gelfling.
• 20:13
  Speaker 24: Smell like Gelfling.
• 20:17
  Speaker 18: Maybe you are Gelfling.
• 20:18
  Speaker 15: I'm looking for Ogre. Who sent you? My master, wisest
• 20:25
  Speaker 15: of the mystics.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Where is he?
• 20:27
  Speaker 22: Around here?
• 20:29
  Speaker 15: He's dead.
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: Could be anywhere, then.
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: The Skeksis, or Skeksis, or however you pronounce it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: Skeksis.
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: Skeksis. Those are creepy and gross.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Those are very creepy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 11: And another one of those, once again, it's weird that
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: of all the stuff, and it shouldn't surprise anyone, that
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: all the stuff that I really liked and latched onto
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: were the.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: Evil thing, like the creepy ones. I like the cute things. See,
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: I like the Skeksis.
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: Again, they're so fascinating in their whole little weird, creepy ways.
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: And once again, specifically, and everyone will disagree with me,
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: I really like Chamberlain. I like it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Everybody hates his whining.
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: I like it because it's so annoying. It works so well.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like that Starscream character. He's that slimy usurper.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: That's always kind of like in the background waiting to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: like take power or whatever.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Get a leg up. Yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 12: Seriously.
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: I really hated him.
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: But I think he's so good at being in a
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: hole where you've got half your cast as villains. He
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: still finds a way to be even slimier and just
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: stab people in the back and be sniveling and conniving.
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: He's so good at that. I like that character thrown
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: in the middle of this. I think you needed that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I like the whole.
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: Environment that he's thrown into, where he's in the... I
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: don't know if it's a forest or a jungle or whatever,
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: but just all the creative plants.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And small animals and things. It's like even the landscape
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of puppets.
• 21:59
  Speaker 13: Every inch of this.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: A lot of things kind of reminded me of like
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: stuff you would see.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: In coral beds.
• 22:05
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Really neat stuff.
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: And that's what, I mean, you have to give Jim
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: Henson credit. Like that's what it was that he set
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: out to do with this more than anything. It's like
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: anybody else would just sort of slap together the main
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: characters and well before he even put together the characters
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: he set out to make the world like he wanted
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: to make the world that they're immersed in you know
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: and they worked on that before they even started putting
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: the characters together before the the puppets were put together
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: he brought in the what was the artist's name um
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: brian froud i think that had done like all this
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: fantasy artwork and he saw his stuff and was like
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: that's the world he's like that's similar to what I want.
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: And it also will work as something that you can
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: bring to life and make it like a real three
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: dimensional kind of world. So yeah, And again, he spent
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: so much time on the little details, and nobody else
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: would bother to make little critters run around the floor
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: when they don't tie into anything. It's not like they're
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: a plot device. It's not like you're going to use
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: it later in the story. It's just there to give
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: you an atmosphere.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: It makes you feel more real.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Even how ornate the castle was. I mean, there's engravings
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and carvings on everything, everywhere, where you don't really get
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: to see a lot of that stuff.
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: But still, it's just.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: It's so ornate and.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: So much detail is put into it that it gives
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: it that level of richness and detail that it's, you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: it's not just, oh, we'll just paper mache a wall
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: or whatever, put some chicken wire down, you know.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It's like taking that time. And that level really kind
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of brings it out.
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: It pops. And that's why he, to me, was different
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: than a lot of the... I mean, he was an artist.
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: As much as he did so many... He was a
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: puppeteer and a director. But, I mean, he set out
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: to make something very specific. And he even said in interviews, like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: a lot of this you're not ever going to see.
• 23:50
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: He's still bothering to create it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: He's still bothering to have all these people work for
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: him and make all these little details that 90% of
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: you probably never even caught a glimpse of, really.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: They were just there to.
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: so that everything meshed and everything fit in this little world.
• 24:05
  Speaker 16: It's one of the things that, like, when he's going
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: through the little, uh, valley and there's, like, the river
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: or whatever, kind of, you know, drags right there, but the,
• 24:14
  Speaker 16: just the animation of all the little things makes it
• 24:18
  Speaker 16: go so much better.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I guess?
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 17: I don't know.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But, uh, They've got stuff to look at along the way.
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's there all the time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Something's moving all the time. It's so cool.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: You think and feel that the place is alive. It's
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: not just static, you know?
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, how many times when you're watching a movie do
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: you actually look and pay attention to the background? to
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: see what's going on in the background, because generally there's
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: nothing going on in the background.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Because nobody puts that level of detail.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: But you're looking for different kinds of creatures and animals,
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: and you're like, wow, look at that, I like that,
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: that's pretty cool, look at that one, that one's gross.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I see a new one every time.
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I think that's the thing. It does throw
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: you into this world, and then you realize... damn everything's
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: alive like every even when you think you know it's
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: just some sort of piece of the scenery or just
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: a plant or something it's like everything is a creature
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: and it usually attacks some other creature yeah it's weird
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: just the the land part of it but the environment
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: itself becomes kind of a big tie-in that i think
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: the more i was watching it this time i was
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: like it really is like a a Almost like an
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: organic versus society.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Kind of thing.
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: As you watch, it's like everybody that's the good guys
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: all live in damn near caves, and they're all one
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: with nature, and they get along with the animals. And
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: then the bad guys all have this little society and
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: they have little ways of doing things and their own
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: little trappings of like all the clothing and all the jewelry.
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: And so it really becomes like the, you know, the
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: natural people are the good ones and they're fighting against
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: the overall society. It's like, I don't know, it really,
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: it shows like this weird evil that seeps in the more.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Civilized they become.
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: And the ones, the people that are very naturalistic are
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: kind of like the ones that are at peace with
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: the world and the good guys, so to speak.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: No, I feel it, definitely.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Those poor little pod people.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, they were just used and abused by everybody.
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: See, I was never big on the pod people. Once again,
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: being the jerk that I am, and I like the Skeksis,
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: but the pod people were so boring. I was like, well,
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: no wonder.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I was a stoner.
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: Seriously.
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: They were like.
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: A little Asian family, the way they talked.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: When I was younger, I was a messed up kid.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I hated E.T. and people all over the world.
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: It's okay we have asian among us it makes it
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: okay for us to say that right or.
• 26:42
  Speaker 20: Not out of.
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: My four friends two of them are asian oh.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Lord so what were you saying um no but when
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: i was uh when i was younger i hated the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: pod people i was just like yeah like suck their
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: brains out make them slaves it's like they're weak they're
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: totally weak they were you know yeah but of course
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: as i've grown up and you know start to care
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: about things a little more and I was like yeah
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: they're pretty dope and I always felt bad like when
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: they like it's a pretty harsh uh scene when that
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: one is getting its like mind sucked out and you
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: see like its face start to shrivel yeah and I'm
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: just like it was just yeah it was like kind
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: of disturbing like.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: It's a disturbing scene yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I still want to see him throw
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Fizz Gig in the fucking mall.
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: Hell no.
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: It's just me.
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: Fizz Gig alone.
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: As much as I usually don't care about cute things,
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: Fizz Gig's fun. I think it's just because he's the
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: one thing that's kind of comic relief in this. And
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: he's not over the top, though. He really does. They
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: do play it like he's just sort of an annoying pet.
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: And we all have annoying pets. I have several. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: they do that kind of stuff. I mean, they are
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: cute and ridiculous and annoying all at the same time.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: They'll sell you out. Yeah, that too.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: They will mess things up.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: He's right here.
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: My dog would do that for some Braunschweiger. I don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: know how to pronounce it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: She doesn't do that anymore. She only did that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 14: Because of allergies.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: But another scene I liked was the feasting scene.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: That was always an awesome scene because I don't think
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: you ever since or before that have seen puppets eating.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: In a feasting situation. Grossly when they're like.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Forks.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, that one guy's got, like, forks on his, like, fingertips,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: and he's, like, being all fancy about, like, eating his little.
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: pieces of that's what's so cool about the Skeksis that
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: they're fancy like they really they.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Got frilly shirts like they're wearing frilly shirts layers and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: layers layers.
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: And layers and that's part of it yeah oh yeah
• 28:46
  Speaker 11: it's kind of like they tie into like that old
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: thing with like the old like royalty like the more
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: clothes that they had the more rich they were and.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: The more powerful they were it's like they were tutors
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: but like twisted and ropes creepy and like vulture lizards.
• 29:00
  Speaker 20: Yeah that's why they punished that one guy the one
• 29:04
  Speaker 20: skis was to strip all his clothes.
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: Yeah they did the ultimate they took away everything he
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: had and all they were worried.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: About was and then they belongings and.
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: Power yeah they took away everything he had and kicked
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: him out into the world in the natural world so
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: that's I don't know. I think that's cool, but it
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: does show that weird hierarchy that bothered. Again, what other
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: kids movie now would do that?
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Dora would just be like, look, a monkey.
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: And that's it. But like this, I mean, it puts
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: like backstory into the hierarchy of these characters eating dinner.
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: It's like, it's amazing.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And they do it so simply that they don't have
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: to beat you over the head with it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: They just, you know, I don't know. It's it's very well.
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: Done it's really well done i'm pretty sure that one
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: was eating ramen noodles i think so actually he's kind
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: of like hanging out of his mouth like choking on
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: it well yeah i gagged a little bit i'm not
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: gonna lie i was like oh my god you.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Know what they're eating and the weird thing was is
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: i think it's the first time i ever noticed it
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And I said something to you, Joni, when I saw it,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: when they stripped the Chamberlain down, you know how the
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Mystics have four arms? Well, the Skeksis seems like they
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: have four arms, except for their second pair are like
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: shriveled up on their back. And I never noticed that before,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, that's really cool.
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: Because I often wondered, yeah, why the other ones, since
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: they were sort of half of the same being, why
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: they had that big difference. And, yeah, that's kind of
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: cool that it's there. It's just like they were, you
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: never get it because they're so busy with their clothes. Yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: and they didn't develop them or feed them or, you know.
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: I guess over a thousand years, you can develop your
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: arms pretty good.
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I guess.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Or under.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you would use them for. Just, like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: scratching your.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Own back, maybe. Yeah, heavy lifting, maybe.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: Playing that awesome guitar.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Multitasking.
• 30:36
  Speaker 20: Yeah, mm-hmm.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I can get a little ukulele from your back.
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: There you go.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Scratching your butt and picking your nose. And having hands
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: left over to read a book.
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: The very wise.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think useful things.
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: That's why you don't have forearms.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Because this is what you would do with them. Many,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: many things with forearms.
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: Things we don't want to hear about.
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: No, I can't.
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: But then with the Skeksis, they also, as he was
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: going in, and it's funny because you look at him
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: at the table and you see these different variations almost
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: because they almost based them on, like, the seven deadly sins.
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: Oh, really?
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: They had more.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, he sort of doubled up on some of them.
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: But you've got ones, like, the one guy is supposed
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: to be, like, the general, and they give him, like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: a different kind of costume, and he's more of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: warring one. And then you've got, and I don't think
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: I realized this much when I was a kid, you've
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: got one.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That's a fancy one, wasn't it?
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: Well, that's the thing.
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: He's like a treasurer.
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: You don't really know what's up with that. And I
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: checked this, because this is probably what my favorite thing is,
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: because you'd think maybe they just didn't really think about
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: it one way or the other, but specifically from Jim Henson,
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: he said, you don't really know what gender they are.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: And I was like, wow, I didn't really think about it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: And he said.
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: He said, we wanted it that way. We wanted it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: And he used the word uncomfortable. And I was like,
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: that's awesome.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: That is awesome.
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: He specifically wanted it to be uncomfortably neutral, almost. But
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: then you get to that one that's wearing, like, makeup, almost.
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: And has, like, the frillier shirt.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 12: And I'm like, so is this.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of, like, thinner.
• 32:01
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: And more, like, dainty. And has the higher and is
• 32:03
  Speaker 11: very effeminate. And I'm like, so is that one the...
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: girl of the bunch or is that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: One just the.
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: Fop it's like it's definitely a very different and then
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: there's two actually when they when the chamberlain comes back
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: in with the with the gelflings they're both very proper
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: and have the frillier shirts and i'm like so is
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: there like a whole different group of them yeah they
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: run away they scream and they run away scared of
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: that poor little gelfling girl who I noticed looks like
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: one of the Olsen twins or both.
• 32:34
  Speaker 18: Of them not just one of them she looks so
• 32:38
  Speaker 18: much like Mary-Kate.
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: It's frightening I thought.
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: The gelflings looked like little manga characters or something.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: They did look very anime-esque Kira Kira look.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: Here Just look at this.
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: That looks just like the shard.
• 33:00
  Speaker 20: What does it mean?
• 33:02
  Speaker 25: And what are those funny marks?
• 33:04
  Speaker 15: Oh, this is all writing.
• 33:07
  Speaker 19: What's writing?
• 33:09
  Speaker 15: Words that stay. My master taught me.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: When single shines the triple sun, what was sundered and
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: undone shall be whole, the two made one. By Gelfling Hand,
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: or else by none. By Gelfling Hand? Do you know
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: what that means, Kira?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 33:34
  Speaker 14: This is a piece of the Dark Crystal.
• 33:36
  Speaker 15: Then that's what my master meant.
• 33:38
  Speaker 20: Yes.
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: I have to put it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 14: You have to heal the.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I never liked Jin, though, for some reason.
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: I don't know.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I don't like dudes with bangs.
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: It grosses me out.
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Was it me, or did he have, like, purple highlights?
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he did.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: But that was punk rock back then.
• 33:53
  Speaker 17: Oh, definitely.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: He was new wave.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to hate on him for that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: He was new wave Jin.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of cool.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: He got it when he was dropping acid.
• 33:58
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: He kind of looked like Steve Perry. I want to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: cut my hair. Steve Perry was awesome. Had the same haircut.
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of.
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: Blue. I don't know. The other thing I noticed they
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: developed so much in this time was the speech patterns. Like, again,
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: any general puppet show, everybody just talks and they have
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: their own, like, they actually bother to give them, like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: weird little quirks and like even just the way like
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: the way aura talks is weird and it's like natural
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: it's but it comes off yeah the more that you
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: work it you're like it always matches up with before
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: it's not like random just gibberish that he throws out
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: or weird things it's like every it's all a pattern
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: that is actually like how you would run into somebody that,
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: you know, probably speaks their own weird language. It's like
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: you met Nell somewhere.
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: Oh, God.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: Take a bite back.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Take a bite back. How did I get roped into
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: watching that? I have never seen it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: And I feel, I think I feel lucky.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't need to see it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 20: It's not.
• 34:57
  Speaker 14: Well, there's one question I had, and I had it
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: when we were watching the movie.
• 35:00
  Speaker 20: If, um, the girl Kira if she was abandoned as
• 35:03
  Speaker 20: a baby and taken to live with these pod people
• 35:07
  Speaker 20: saying whatever how is it she doesn't have to speak
• 35:09
  Speaker 20: the same language as.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: The the other Gelfling she's.
• 35:12
  Speaker 20: A Gelfling but I mean because if she was a
• 35:14
  Speaker 20: baby and brought up by people that spoke a different language.
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: How she's just really smart well no they had that
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: remember when they touched hands they had that like inner
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: knowing Gelfling kind of heritage thing like they knew each
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: other's thoughts and memories and stuff like that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: She's spoken before then yeah yeah i don't know.
• 35:29
  Speaker 13: I mean unless i think it was just like powers
• 35:34
  Speaker 13: i don't know.
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: I don't know because she didn't know how to read
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: that was interesting because i thought maybe she found like
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: books about her heritage but she didn't know how to
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: read when they got there only only jim knew how
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: to read.
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: So maybe it's like the groan from Stargate, you were
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: born with all the knowledge.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Of the ones before you.
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: Possibly, yeah, maybe.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Possibly.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: They don't really delve into the physiology of the elephant
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: that much.
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: I'd say the pod people taught her, but they seem
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: kind of dumb.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they seem like, yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: They're simpletons.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: They just, like, teach her how to party.
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: They mean well, but yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It seems like that's all they do is they, like,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: rock it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: They eat and rock. That's really all they know how
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: to do.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Drink some mead. Yeah, they all have, like, kind of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: beanie caps on them. They're a simple folk. They dance.
• 36:14
  Speaker 13: They are so cute.
• 36:15
  Speaker 14: They do dance.
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: Actually, when you get into their little world, it reminded
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: me very much of Fraggle Rock. Oh, yeah. Not the creatures,
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: but where they live.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Fraggle Rock. Very subterranean.
• 36:25
  Speaker 13: It was like party all the time.
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: Well, that was what I was thinking with the natural, because,
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: I mean, that's something that Lucas tapped into with the
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: whole Return of the Jedi, with the naturals fighting against
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: the and they had all the weaponry and stuff. This
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: was like a toned down version, but it's still very much,
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: you know, the natural pod people versus the evil, you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: society wielding Skeksis.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: So, I don't know. But it tapped into a lot
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: of that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: And while we're on that Lucas kind of ripping them
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: off idea, the scene with the jen and his old
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: master versus was that very much the yoda death scene
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: several years before the yoda death scene or well a
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: year or so so they were almost working on it
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: at the.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Same time yeah it disappeared exactly like yoda wow and
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: no you know not like frank oz isn't sitting there
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: i mean he's actually.
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: On set in both movies so I don't know, maybe
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: he gave them the idea.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe he said, hey, you know, because... It works so
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: well as if Yoda disappeared because.
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: They're all friends, I mean.
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: It makes things more convenient. You ain't got to worry
• 37:24
  Speaker 14: about burying anybody.
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: I wish I just disappeared when I died, right? It
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: makes things so much easier.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: There's only the fresh scent of pine.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I like the crumbling one, though. That didn't seem like
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of fun.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: Again, the evil is much creepier and gross.
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: You're probably going to shake the sheet out after all.
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: The effect of that was really amazing, too.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: I was trying to figure out how it was done,
• 37:43
  Speaker 13: and I couldn't wrap my mind around it. Wrap my
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: tiny little brain around it. Yeah, that was awesome.
• 37:51
  Speaker 11: As we get into the end, not to go into
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: all of it, but just the overall of it, it
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: also seems like a very mythological story. It's like by
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: the time you get to the end, you've got almost
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: these gods, but they're almost like the Greek gods because
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: they're very flawed. They mention themselves that they were arrogant.
• 38:11
  Speaker 11: And they kind of screwed up the world. So it's
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: very flawed divine beings that also are very powerful. But
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: then somewhere along the way, they screwed things up for themselves.
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: And they need the Chosen One. So he's almost like Perseus.
• 38:23
  Speaker 11: You go out, you do this, and save everything.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: So it had a very mythological feel to it, too.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: You brought the book or whatever, and it seems like
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of backstory and a lot of explanation
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: that they thought about this world and how things worked
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: and actually what some of the symbols mean and all that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: And it's like, God, of course, here it is again.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I wish that there was more. It would have been
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: awesome if there was more. you know more about I
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: The world and what not I mean I know it
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: probably wasn't contained in the movie but I mean I'm
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: sure there's pages somewhere I mean you know as much thought.
• 39:05
  Speaker 20: I'm sure there's a fan fiction out there somewhere little
• 39:09
  Speaker 20: Kira action rated mature just for you.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Oh god just google search Skeksis butthole I'm sure you'll
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: find something yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 20: Yikes Yeah, it was mildly uncomfortable when they were doing
• 39:26
  Speaker 20: that scene at the end where the Skeksis were being
• 39:29
  Speaker 20: drawn into the other ones.
• 39:30
  Speaker 14: I'm like, what is it time to anally rape your enemy?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And now we are one.
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: You've kept us down for a thousand years.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I'll show you, motherfucker. You took our castle.
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: It's always sunny in Philadelphia where Nightman comes and takes
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: the little boy.
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: Max is like, this is the scene where I anally
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: raped you. Charlie's like, no!
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yikes.
• 39:57
  Speaker 14: Oh, wow. It made me uncomfortable just to look on
• 39:59
  Speaker 14: all of his faces.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: They were all frozen in horror like, oh, it's going in.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: They were kind of scared.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 40:09
  Speaker 14: Without moving.
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: A thousand years?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Damn it, you're going to pay.
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: Oh, no.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: You're going to pay.
• 40:19
  Speaker 20: That's a whole different turn for a.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: But you didn't see that one coming.
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: Actually.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: That's what she said.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: We'll get to that later. Actually, there is a tie-in to.
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: That later, but.
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: Oh, wow.
• 40:35
  Speaker 13: I'm afraid.
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: Oh, what else?
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: What else can you go.
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: Where can you go after that?
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: Oh, I noticed in the movie, if anyone's ever seen
• 40:44
  Speaker 13: The Village... Yeah.
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: The little.
• 40:46
  Speaker 13: The Skeksis, their costume... Or they.
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: Were pretty much the exact same little costume that the monsters.
• 40:53
  Speaker 13: In the village had.
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's true, actually.
• 40:55
  Speaker 13: It was almost the same. The little spikes on the
• 40:57
  Speaker 13: back and the little creepy bird lizard head.
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: Pretty much the same.
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, all of the Skeksis had weird outfits,
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: but specifically Chamberlain's was badass. Like at the beginning, before
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: they stripped him, that huge red thing that he had
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: and a giant back.
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: And plus those things always wore red cloaks and stuff
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: like that.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: His was awesome.
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: I really like that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Tortoise on Rochelle or something.
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: It was sweet.
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: Pretty bitchin'. I.
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: Don't know. You have to like any kid's movie that
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: has a jump scare in the middle of it. oh
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: the fizz gig jump scare like i remember as a
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: kid that like came out of nowhere like it really
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: probably was the introduction to the jump scare for every
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: kid of that generation because it's the first movie you're
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: allowed to go see where you're like uh-oh because like
• 41:44
  Speaker 11: well they set it up though they're like something's going
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: on but it's still really calm you get a little
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: fake out here and there and then all of a
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: sudden it's right yeah totally yeah You're a.
• 41:55
  Speaker 14: Vicious little bastard.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I want one so bad.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: You should devise one.
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you should crossbreed.
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: What if I get to eat our neighbor's dogs?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, I hope.
• 42:03
  Speaker 16: Pomeranians are pretty much as close as you're going to get.
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: They're horrible, though.
• 42:07
  Speaker 13: Yeah, they are.
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: You don't want one of those.
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: Pomeranians are twice as mean and twice as likely to
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: get you killed if you're trying to hide out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: From some Skeksis.
• 42:16
  Speaker 13: Skeksis?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Skeksis.
• 42:18
  Speaker 13: I mean, what's the plural of that?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Skeksi.
• 42:21
  Speaker 13: Skeksi.
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: Skeksi.
• 42:27
  Speaker 13: It could be Skeksis, though.
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: You don't know.
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: I don't know what dictates how to pluralize something.
• 42:33
  Speaker 22: I don't know.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: The sets are awesome.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Just in general.
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: Huge i mean looking at how big some of those
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: are it's the whole thing was such that's again why
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: i give it credit i mean just imagine trying to
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: make a movie period with people think how much trouble
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: that is now i mean imagine that you've got to
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: build these huge sets and then on top of that
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: you have to build your main characters and then on
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: top of that Each one of them, especially like the Skeksis,
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: and well, definitely both of the Mystics and the Skeksis,
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: took from two to four people to run each one
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: of them. And they're walking around the entire time. It's
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: not like the Muppet Show where they're standing behind a stage.
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: they're all in motion they're shooting this with real cameras
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: so that scene like when they're when they're attacking uh
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: chamberlain you've got like 10 of them walking around and
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: you've got three to four people below each one of
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: these walking through the set it's amazing that this thing
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: got made.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Um try to look it up why are you looking.
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: At the question i had what were the things that
• 43:34
  Speaker 20: were up in the balcony like they look like people
• 43:36
  Speaker 20: in robes that were walking like Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Who are those? The slave guys? I don't know.
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: They don't look like they were wearing black robes.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Which part? Like in the chamber?
• 43:46
  Speaker 20: Like any time they show the chamber, like in like balconies,
• 43:50
  Speaker 20: they would come around from the side and get up
• 43:52
  Speaker 20: on this balcony and they were like, I don't remember.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Never showed their faces or anything.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: I don't remember.
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: I don't know. $ 15 million, which is really cheap compared
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: to what it would be.
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: For how long ago that was, that's a lot.
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: Even then, I mean, that's a lot of money, especially
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: for somebody to give someone making a movie with puppets.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: For him to get backed for $ 15 million is huge.
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you've got to think that most of the money
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: when it comes to making movies goes to pay the actors.
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: And there weren't really... I mean, Jim Henson.
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: He's a name, but I mean, that's the other thing
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: that's kind of amazing on this is watching them do it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: And like the director is actually doing like he's not
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: sitting off in a chair somewhere. He's running around on
• 44:31
  Speaker 11: the set with his hand shoved in a puppet doing work.
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: And the direct friend guys are sitting next to him
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: doing the same thing. Like they're both actually characters in
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: the movie. They're actually on set. doing something pretty much
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: the entire time not that directing isn't hard enough in
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: and of itself but on top of directing they're actually
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: creating and moving the characters around physically in every scene
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: of these that's more than most directors do i'd.
• 44:55
  Speaker 16: Say Watching the special features when they're talking about it
• 44:59
  Speaker 16: and you see them doing it, it's just amazing.
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's equally as entertaining as watching the behind the scenes.
• 45:04
  Speaker 16: The stage, what you see is all up here and
• 45:06
  Speaker 16: then they're all down here. It's like tunnels and crazy stuff.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: I don't understand.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: My mind's boggled.
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: That's the thing. Watching those scenes when it is a
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: camera and it's spinning around them and I'm like, there's
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: 40 people below you. How are you even getting this shot?
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: It's like there's so many people on that little set.
• 45:23
  Speaker 11: The fact that they got these shots and there's not
• 45:25
  Speaker 11: a guy walking in the background carrying cables and shit
• 45:28
  Speaker 11: is like amazing, really, that all this came together. And
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: then the other one watching the behind the scenes stuff
• 45:33
  Speaker 11: is like how amazing it is that they transfer or
• 45:36
  Speaker 11: they switch back and forth. between scale and you really
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: almost don't even notice like the lance the lance riders
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: are like real people they're full size but then they
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: have like a half size one that's got the gelfling
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: on it they've got like little ones same thing with
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: like the chamber set it's like one huge stage but
• 45:53
  Speaker 11: then they have miniatures that they shoot in and it's
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: just about all of it like they can switch in
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: and out pretty quick and you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: Don't really even notice or even jen like jen When.
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: You see him running, that's amazing. Like, the fact that
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: he's a puppet through half of it, but then they also.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: He's like a little kid.
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think he was just like a little guy.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's what they got.
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: That's what Bill was saying when I was talking to him.
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: You know, everybody thinks that it was all puppeteers and
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: it's all Frank Oz, but, I mean, a lot of
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: the other characters they brought in were acrobats. And, like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: you know, it's like Cirque du Soleil at this point.
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: This is what they would have been hiring him to
• 46:25
  Speaker 11: do now. So it's that level of performer that... They
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: really knew how to move, and they brought in dancers
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: and acrobats so that they could physically do all this
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: stuff that normal people couldn't do, really.
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: You can only really tell certain scenes where he was
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: climbing that it was a.
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: Person, not a puppet.
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: But even then, it's so cool to have that. What
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: other puppet movie all of a sudden has your puppet
• 46:52
  Speaker 11: moving by itself, really? It's weird when it all kind
• 46:57
  Speaker 11: of crosses that line. I think that's what sort of
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: broke the mold at that point. When you're a little
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: kid and you're just like, Kermit never runs around. It's
• 47:04
  Speaker 11: like you never see. You're used to seeing very waist-up shots,
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: and then you see... this you know full head-to-toe shot
• 47:10
  Speaker 11: of this creature running across the scene.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It's like you just don't see his feet yeah you
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: just see him.
• 47:15
  Speaker 11: Yeah we all just did the kermit hand motion you
• 47:18
  Speaker 11: know what we did you're thinking of it you're probably
• 47:21
  Speaker 11: doing it right now which is funny because even in
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: there jim henson does that exact same thing he's like
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: well when i move kermit it's like this but then
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: he talks about how different he does it in here
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: which is again amazing that you know being a puppeteer
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: he assigns very specific movements to each one he really
• 47:38
  Speaker 11: does give each one a different character and gives them
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: different mannerisms and just a way of walking that's way
• 47:45
  Speaker 11: more detailed than anybody would put.
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: Into something like i was saying earlier puppetry is just
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: like a seriously underrated art form like it really you
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: really have to have a knowledge of how the human
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: body works and moves to be able to even imitate
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: like To make your hand imitate the motions of an
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: animal or a person, that's just amazing.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Well, especially aren't they underneath for the most part?
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you can't see it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: To get the point.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Of view of how they are in acting, where the
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: puppets are moving and what they need to convey, it's
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: like you've got to have a pretty good sense of
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: space and, I don't know, spatial awareness of like, if
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I do this or whatever, that's... He's going to yawn
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: and maybe give a peace sign.
• 48:27
  Speaker 11: With the smaller ones, with the bigger ones, they've just
• 48:30
  Speaker 11: gotten to the point of technology where the huge ones,
• 48:33
  Speaker 11: when they're working it, they've actually got monitors.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: And he was talking about a lot of this we
• 48:38
  Speaker 11: couldn't have done 10, 20 years before. Before, they could
• 48:41
  Speaker 11: have rigged up a monitor inside the big giant unit itself.
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: They're watching what they're doing on a monitor inside the puppet.
• 48:49
  Speaker 11: That's amazing.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: That's so complicated.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Did Agra have a person inside of him?
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: It was Frank Oz.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I noticed Frank Oz was her voice.
• 48:58
  Speaker 11: They show him.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: He's in the suit.
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: He's in the suit, too.
• 49:02
  Speaker 14: I don't think he did the voice. I don't think
• 49:03
  Speaker 14: he was in there.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: He didn't do the voice?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did do the voice.
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: No, he didn't. The voice of Agra was the same
• 49:09
  Speaker 13: voice of Kira, I think is what it said.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the name.
• 49:13
  Speaker 13: I don't remember the name.
• 49:15
  Speaker 11: But I know he did the puppet treat on it. Because, yeah,
• 49:17
  Speaker 11: they showed him in the suit running around.
• 49:20
  Speaker 20: Yeah that was what her voice sounded so familiar i
• 49:22
  Speaker 20: want to know who it was so i watched the
• 49:24
  Speaker 20: credits because i remember he was listed first in the
• 49:26
  Speaker 20: suit and then later they did the voices and i
• 49:28
  Speaker 20: couldn't remember but i still can't remember where i've heard
• 49:31
  Speaker 20: that voice before the voice.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Um When she's in the garbage.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the witch.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: The witch, yeah.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Well, she's not really a witch, but she's the garbage collector. Yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: the porter.
• 49:42
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Don't you want your bear?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's no bear, ain't no bear.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, you like bear, don't you?
• 49:49
  Speaker 11: I think.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: No, I think it is her. I don't know.
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: The characters are just so.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Similar.
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: Similar.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: See, for the longest time, I thought Frank Oz.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Did her voice.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Catherine Mullen.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: It's something I always liked about The Labyrinth was... Hoggle?
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Because he had a real person inside of him.
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: Billy Whitlaw?
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: What was that?
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: Billy Whitlaw.
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the name I reckon.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: I mean, it really, and that's how, again, referring to
• 50:19
  Speaker 11: him as that earlier, that's how even Jim Henson referred
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: to this movie was it was a work of art.
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: And he's like, it's not something that I made. It's
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: something that I brought in hundreds of people. It's a
• 50:27
  Speaker 11: collaborative work of art almost. And it's, I think what
• 50:31
  Speaker 11: he described is the thing he was really most proud of.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: And I think it's, it's well deserved yeah there's nothing
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: like it there's never been anything like it.
• 50:39
  Speaker 11: Since yeah i mean there definitely was nothing before that
• 50:41
  Speaker 11: there was a full-length feature film with no human beings
• 50:45
  Speaker 11: in it like that's amazing even now they won't do
• 50:47
  Speaker 11: that like studios won't back that now yeah They were
• 50:50
  Speaker 11: trying to do that with that alien prequel. They wanted
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: to do the backstory where there are no humans. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 11: I don't know that they're going to back it even now.
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: And this is how many years later?
• 51:00
  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, the Gelflings are human-like.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: No, I mean, they're your main characters.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: They're humanoid type, but they're not human.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're who you identify with. They're definitely.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Like primordial dwarves, almost.
• 51:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 51:13
  Speaker 11: Well, they were meant to be very animal-like, which, once again,
• 51:16
  Speaker 11: ties to that. When they showed early sketches, they were
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: almost like foxes and bears. They had a lot more
• 51:23
  Speaker 11: animal features to them, and they sort of.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: in the middle somewhere between people.
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: And the animal look that they start.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of deer.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: The eyes are kind of, yeah, kind of have that.
• 51:33
  Speaker 11: Deer look to them. But I think it's just every day.
• 51:36
  Speaker 11: They spent like five years making this film and it
• 51:39
  Speaker 11: shows it on screen. Every detail that's in there. I
• 51:42
  Speaker 11: don't know.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Five years.
• 51:43
  Speaker 11: Five years. It's amazing.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: That's insane.
• 51:47
  Speaker 16: I don't see how Frank Oz and Jim Henson didn't
• 51:49
  Speaker 16: go crazy playing with puppets all the time.
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: You'd think.
• 51:52
  Speaker 16: Like, there has to be some part of yourself that
• 51:54
  Speaker 16: you'd have to disassociate that with to keep yourself like
• 51:58
  Speaker 16: mildly sane. Otherwise I'd be talking to.
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: My puppets all day.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Well, that was.
• 52:07
  Speaker 11: Actually my favorite part in watching the behind the scenes.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: There's this one shot and they're shooting.
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: This big scene and he's got all the actors out
• 52:12
  Speaker 11: there doing their thing. And he's back sitting behind the
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: camera watching it. And he's got this huge grin on
• 52:17
  Speaker 11: his face and he's just, he's loving the fact that,
• 52:20
  Speaker 11: I mean, this is this world that he created and he,
• 52:23
  Speaker 11: it's three-dimensionally in front of him. He's actually physically making this.
• 52:26
  Speaker 11: And I don't know, it was just so, there was
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: just this very essential joy that, yeah, he seems like
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: such a great guy. And there's, I don't know, just
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: so much he did that's amazing.
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: And I think he just did it out of love.
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: It was what, that's what he wanted to do his
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: entire life. And he spent so much of his time
• 52:45
  Speaker 11: making these creatures that, yeah, I think it's just impressive
• 52:48
  Speaker 11: when it comes together this well.
• 52:50
  Speaker 12: Definitely.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: There will never be anything else like it, so if
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: you have not seen it, you know, but definitely treat yourself.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Or if you have, you know, a young one or anything,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, given the age and kind
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: of what you deem appropriate, it's a movie for young kids,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, we all saw it. It's not going to
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: star anybody. Yeah, most of us saw it as kids, yeah. Yeah,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, definitely.
• 53:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah, but kids today don't see the same things that
• 53:15
  Speaker 14: we saw as kids.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: That's right.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I mean it is weak as cherries yeah it is
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: it is hardcore.
• 53:22
  Speaker 14: Bubble wrap for kids.
• 53:24
  Speaker 11: These days it is and i was thinking that by
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: the end i was like spoiler alert we already threw
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: that out there but i mean what other kids movie
• 53:31
  Speaker 11: towards the end one of your main characters just gets.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Knifed right in the back.
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: Knifed in the back dies on the floor i was
• 53:38
  Speaker 11: like whoa like right after throwing a cute fuzzy creature
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: to his doom into a fire yeah I mean at
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: that point both of them are dead you know I
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: mean like kids are traumatized even when they fake you
• 53:49
  Speaker 11: out and they bring them back it's like that's traumatizing
• 53:51
  Speaker 11: like there are those moments where you're just like holy
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: shit what just happened my childhood is ruined so yeah
• 53:58
  Speaker 11: it's definitely one to make sure your kids is up
• 54:01
  Speaker 11: for that sort of thing because you don't see that
• 54:03
  Speaker 11: in stuff today well.
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: I think it's polar opposites nowadays it's like overly sugar-coated
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: and like no nothing bad ever happens in these children's
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: cartoons and then you have like extreme gratuitous violence.
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: And it's just like that is.
• 54:18
  Speaker 26: What is wrong with people today and i think that's
• 54:20
  Speaker 26: no happy that's what makes it harder probably is we're
• 54:23
  Speaker 26: so used to the sugar coating that when you throw
• 54:26
  Speaker 26: something hardcore in the middle of that for a kid
• 54:28
  Speaker 26: that's sitting.
• 54:28
  Speaker 11: There waiting for it to be nothing but happy and
• 54:31
  Speaker 11: then holy shit what just happened and I think that's
• 54:33
  Speaker 11: almost more jarring than just letting them watch Transformers 2.
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: It depends on.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: How you raise your kid, though.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: My kid was raised on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Beetlejuice,
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: and not the cartoon, but the actual movie, and stuff
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: like that. So things don't really scare her. I mean,
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: she loves the Dark Crystal. She loves the Labyrinth.
• 54:53
  Speaker 14: Army of Darkness.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Army of Darkness she loves.
• 54:55
  Speaker 12: Excellent.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: How old is she?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: She's 11.
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: No, she's 10.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she'll be 11 next year.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: She's going to be the coolest.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you she's got good taste.
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: Uh nightmare uh uh nightmare for christmas favorite movie so
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: that's awesome that was.
• 55:10
  Speaker 13: When tim burton actually made it like.
• 55:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah when he again when he put a little well
• 55:14
  Speaker 11: once again he kind of copped out so he came
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: up with a good idea and then let a real
• 55:18
  Speaker 11: director step in and do all the hard work see
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: he didn't do what jim henson and frank oz did
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: here he was i mean they're on set moving these
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: things every day he just kind of went harry make
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: me a nice movie.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Even then he was kind of a lazy bastard.
• 55:32
  Speaker 9: But I think if you expose your kids to some
• 55:34
  Speaker 9: of the things that you saw as a kid.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Then they won't, I think it's, I mean, it's frightening.
• 55:40
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: It's bringing them up that way.
• 55:41
  Speaker 27: I mean like parts like army darkness where, you know, the,
• 55:45
  Speaker 27: the blood comes flying out of the pit.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: My kid thinks it's the.
• 55:49
  Speaker 11: Funniest thing, you know, she's like, you know, You can
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: definitely transfer your work sense of humor to the next generation.
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: I say do that, but that's because I'm a sick bastard.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it's tradition. You've got to.
• 56:02
  Speaker 11: Pass on your knowledge.
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: Your kid usually takes after you one way or the
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: other anyway.
• 56:06
  Speaker 11: Just give it a little nudge sometimes.
• 56:10
  Speaker 20: This is why my sister doesn't let me around her kids,
• 56:12
  Speaker 20: because she knows the things I would let them watch.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: That's true. It's in her best interest.
• 56:17
  Speaker 14: And again, the things she lets them watch, I can't
• 56:19
  Speaker 14: really say.
• 56:20
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 56:20
  Speaker 13: My details.
• 56:21
  Speaker 11: I question her mothering skills.
• 56:23
  Speaker 16: Mr.
• 56:23
  Speaker 14: Happy Face and Charlie the Unicorn.
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: She does not need to let them near a computer.
• 56:27
  Speaker 13: Should I let them watch that?
• 56:28
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 56:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah. True.
• 56:30
  Speaker 10: My friend used to let her kids watch Robot Chicken.
• 56:33
  Speaker 10: I didn't think.
• 56:34
  Speaker 11: That was a good idea.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: It's a cartoon that makes it okay.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I don't let Izzy watch Robot Chicken.
• 56:41
  Speaker 11: Or Family Guy.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: She wants to.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Watch Family Guy.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: That's so much better.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: It deals with more adult things that she's not.
• 56:49
  Speaker 27: Old enough to understand right now. She understands monsters. She
• 56:54
  Speaker 27: understands being scared. Stuff like that. That she understands, but,
• 57:00
  Speaker 27: you know.
• 57:01
  Speaker 11: But again, that's where, like, the girl that rung me
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: up at the store, she'd be like, oh, it's a cartoon, honey,
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: sit down and watch it. She'd be letting them watch,
• 57:07
  Speaker 11: you know, Robot Chicken all day long, because it's just
• 57:09
  Speaker 11: a cartoon.
• 57:10
  Speaker 14: Let them watch Fritz the Cat.
• 57:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah, man.
• 57:13
  Speaker 14: I tried to rent that once when I was a kid,
• 57:15
  Speaker 14: but my mom's like, no.
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: I think we're working that one in, because that's not
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: what you think, really. I finally watched it years later,
• 57:21
  Speaker 11: and I was like, oh, this is not at all
• 57:22
  Speaker 11: what I expected, so it's... it's a different movie but
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: I still wouldn't let children watch it but it's not
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: what you expect going in so.
• 57:30
  Speaker 13: I feel like I need to watch it.
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah I think we I think we're throwing it on
• 57:33
  Speaker 11: the list here yeah even though it has nothing to
• 57:36
  Speaker 11: do he totally disowned it now he did.
• 57:38
  Speaker 13: But he like disassociated himself.
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: I think by the time the movie came about but
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: originally yeah it's his character but alright so before we
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: get away from Dark Crystal totally we did get feedback
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: nice oh right on it is time for your two
• 57:52
  Speaker 11: cents on the Dark Crystal And once again, who has
• 57:56
  Speaker 11: our backs with their thoughts on the movie, but our
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: fellow podcasters. So, first up, we hear from Metal Mikey.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Hey, I remember him.
• 58:04
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: I met him.
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: He sang us a song.
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: Who had a little problem leaving a message the first
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: time he called, which explains his slightly overwhelmed nature at
• 58:12
  Speaker 11: the beginning of this message. So, yeah, here's Metal Mikey.
• 58:15
  Speaker 19: Holy crap. I, Metal Mikey, was about to have a
• 58:19
  Speaker 19: cat shit fit. Because this dialing the new Movie Meltdown
• 58:24
  Speaker 19: voicemail line was just melting my mind.
• 58:27
  Speaker 20: Also, it's a complication.
• 58:28
  Speaker 19: I'm telling you, this old ticker can't take too much more.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: But you did.
• 58:35
  Speaker 19: Ask for a request on Twitter about thoughts on Dark Crystal. And, oh, boy,
• 58:40
  Speaker 19: do I have them. Do I have them.
• 58:45
  Speaker 11: Oh, my God.
• 58:47
  Speaker 19: I remember, I never actually saw the movie in a theater,
• 58:49
  Speaker 19: but I do recall having seen it a few times
• 58:52
  Speaker 19: back in my youth during its original VHS run. I recall,
• 58:56
  Speaker 19: oddly enough, outside of all of the weird, bizarre puppetry
• 59:00
  Speaker 19: in it, the one that would usually kind of freak
• 59:02
  Speaker 19: me out the most was Agra. And not even really
• 59:05
  Speaker 19: so much Agra in action, but sort.
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: Of like that one credit still that they have of Agra.
• 59:10
  Speaker 19: You know, kind of like the black against the blue background.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: And it just.
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: Gave me the chills as a kid.
• 59:15
  Speaker 19: But everything else about the movie, well, here's the thing.
• 59:19
  Speaker 19: Even as a kid... I do realize I like the movie. However,
• 59:23
  Speaker 19: it seems like I can always only remember the Skeksis part.
• 59:27
  Speaker 14: Why?
• 59:27
  Speaker 19: Because I love the Skeksis. I mean, okay, yeah, you know,
• 59:30
  Speaker 19: you have the Gelflings. Okay, they're nice, pretty, happy, sun-shiny, sparkly,
• 59:35
  Speaker 19: fucking elf things. But really, aren't they that terribly interesting?
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: And they're okay.
• 59:42
  Speaker 19: You have, like, the giant dewback, humpback, camel mystic guys. But, well, okay,
• 59:49
  Speaker 19: they're kind of there. And you have, like, the little
• 59:52
  Speaker 19: cute potato people that get brain-zapped by Diskeksis. But are
• 59:56
  Speaker 19: they that interesting?
• 59:57
  Speaker 15: No.
• 59:58
  Speaker 19: It's Diskeksis. They're just repulsive, evil as fuck, backstabbing creatures.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: And you know what?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 19: They're entertaining as hell. To this day, I was still,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 19: by some insane feat... Love to be able to say,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 19: you know what? I can make a Skeksis costume that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 19: would work and go out in it and just scare
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 19: people completely at random. Especially if it was a Chancellor.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 19: Because a Chancellor was... He had, like, what I call
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 19: the Cobra Commander effect. The Cobra Commander and Skeletor effect.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 19: He's just that sniveling, slightly cowardly member of an evil organization,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 19: but is still basically mostly smarter and more competent than
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 19: most of the people around him. So, go figure. Oh,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 19: and one more thing about Dark Crystal that totally rules.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 22: Fizz gig.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 19: That's all I'm saying. I want a fizz gig as
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 19: a pet. Make it happen right now. Anyways, yeah, that's
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 19: my thoughts. Me and the Mikey of Action Attraction Podcast. Yeah,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 19: that's all I got. So y'all take it easy over
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 19: at Boob and Ballot Town, and I'll talk to you
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 19: again soon.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: All right. Adios.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 20: Bye.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 11: There you go.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 12: Nice, nice.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 11: So I think, Misty, we're putting you in charge of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 11: genetically engineering a phys gig.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 14: I'll work on it.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 11: Please. Some of those animal bioengineering ideas we were using
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 11: last time out.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 21: I'll work on it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 11: And once again, right there with me on the evil characters,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 11: that's what I was attached to. Everything else is cool
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 11: because it's part of this world, and I think the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 11: world's amazing how intricate and detailed and everything it is.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 11: but once again what am I drawn to the evil
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 11: bastards of the bunch why are.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: Most kids drawn to the evil characters I mean when
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: I was a kid it was before before I got
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: into GI Joe because GI Joe wasn't really around at
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: the time I mean there was GI Joe like my
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: dad's GI Joe yeah that you know but the 80s
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: incarnate but the 80s incarnation wasn't around so mostly what
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: I got into was World War.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 22: Two stuff yeah and I was fascinated with Nazis and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 22: And then I was fascinated with Cobra and fascinated with
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 22: the Decepticons and anything that.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Was like the bad guy. I don't know why it was,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: but like. Kids, for some reason, want to identify with
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: the bad characters.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 11: I think it's just more, like you said, I think
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 11: it's more interesting.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: They have more of a backstory. They seem more interesting.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 11: I don't know what it is.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: But look at, I mean, specifically, like you mentioned G.I.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 19: Joe.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 11: Look at G.I.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 17: Joe.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 11: Look at the awesome costumes and characters and everything in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 11: the evil Cobra side.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 10: G.I.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 11: Joe they're like they got fatigues on they're like they're
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 11: most interchangeable every once in a while you get a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 11: cool character but for the most part it's like wait
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 11: what's that guy's name again like you forget half of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 11: them you're like oh.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah I remember when they first came out they just
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: they all had the same helmet they all came with
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 9: the same M16 except for you know rock and roll
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 9: came with like a machine gun you.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: Know yeah But you look at Storm Shadow versus Major Blood.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: It's like all of those.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 11: It's like every one of them has a cool name
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 11: and a cool accessory and a cool look. And they're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 11: just way more interesting. And I think that's just in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 11: general storytelling. It's like the good guys have to be
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 11: there to be the good guys. But you won't have
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 11: a story without the conflict of the bad guys. And
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 11: I think that is just an essence of storytelling. I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 11: think that's what sucks us in. It's just like Star Wars.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 11: The same thing with Star Wars. The Empire. The Stormtroopers.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I love the Snow Troopers, the Spears guys.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 17: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: Snow Troopers are awesome. Those helmets are badass.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 11: But this very much felt like that when I was
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: watching it. It does play into those things. And I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 11: wasn't even going to tie it to one or the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 11: other like trying to steal from the other even though
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 11: i kind of called lucas out but but like i
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 11: mean to me jen is very much the luke of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 11: the story he's kind of boring really but he needs
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 11: to be there he is the the chosen one he's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 11: the last hope he's got to save everything and without
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 11: him you won't have the story but really luke versus
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 11: darth vader who's cooler you know it's like same thing
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 11: with this you know who's cooler here is gexus or
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 11: the weird boring hippie like.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: You know natural mistakes potato people oh.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 28: That was the potty the pot people were actually the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 28: the when he drew them out when the guy sketched
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 28: him he modeled them after potatoes that's why their faces
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 28: actually look like.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 11: They did he modeled them yep they're organic they were
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 11: that organic they were modeled after potatoes so yep i'm
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 11: right there with you mikey so Once again, check out
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 11: Metal Mikey at metalmikey.libson.com. He watches much of the same special,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 11: I'm using quotes there, movies that we like around here.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 11: So a little more of an action slant, but odds are, yeah,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: you'll like the same kind of stuff if you haven't
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 11: heard Mikey.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: He's lots of fun.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 11: All right, so next up we hear from Doc at
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 11: Family Movie Night. But not just Doc, and I think
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 11: this is massively important in our discussion here, but we
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 11: also hear from KK, Doc's daughter.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 11: So, to me, it's going to be very interesting to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 11: see a kid now's take on this movie, because we
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 11: kind of know what we all think of it, and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 11: we're all just old children at this point.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 11: We definitely came about at a different age and saw
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 11: it at a different point in time in general. So
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 11: it'll be interesting to see what KK thinks of this movie.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 11: So here is Duck and KK.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 12: Hello, Movie Meltdown gang. This is Dr. J and my daughter.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 25: KK!
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: From Family Movie Night. And we saw that you were
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 12: reviewing The Dark Crystal. On this next episode. And we
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: wanted to call in our opinions on Dark Crystal. We
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 12: haven't called in together before. But we reviewed this one
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 12: and watched it a few months ago. So, KK, what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: did you think of The Dark Crystal?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 25: I gave it a B +.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 12: You gave it a B +. Did you like it
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 12: a lot?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 25: Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 12: What did you like about it?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 25: I just liked how all the characters looked. They were
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 25: funny looking.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 12: Funny looking dark Muppets?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 19: Yep.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 12: I liked some of the non-being characters best. My memories
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: of it still... I like the long bunny rabbit-eared, long-legged
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 12: striders that they rode on.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 14: I like those too.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 12: The crustacean soldier bugs that came out to attack them.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: I like the dog.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 15: The dog.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 13: The dog thing.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 12: The fuzzy ball dog?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 25: Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 10: And.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 25: That girl's family.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 12: So, a lot of good characters.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 21: Um.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 12: Kind of a confusing story, a dark story about the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 12: split with the mystics and the Skeksis and a great
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 12: mythology they built up around it that seemed a little
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 12: clumsy to follow. I don't know what you thought.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 25: It was kind of hard to follow.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 12: And really dark. It didn't have that really triumphant, feel-good,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 12: happy moment that kids' movies oftentimes have. I don't know
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 12: if you saw that.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 25: Like at the end, it didn't have a We saved
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 25: the day!
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: Yay!
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 12: But, you know, it had some neat imagery, and it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 12: holds up. Yeah, well, fair. I mean, it's dated, I think.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 12: I don't know what you thought. Did you feel like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 12: it felt like an older movie, or did you feel
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 12: like it was more modern?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: It felt older.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 12: Yeah. Well, anyway, we enjoyed the movie, and we're glad
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 12: you're reviewing it, and I look forward to hearing what
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 12: y'all thought about it. And, of course, the nostalgia factor
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 12: adds in to reviewing a movie like this. KK had
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 12: to see it fresh without remembering it from her childhood.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 12: But anyway, we like the show. We listen. Don't call
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 12: in enough. Anything else you want to say to them, KK?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 25: Not really, but still. Thanks for calling in. That's about it.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 12: Yeah, thanks for calling us, Brian, and I hope you
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: all have a good day.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 14: Bye!
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 11: Those guys are awesome. Oh, I'm thoroughly entertained with KK.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 11: I'm glad she has her own show because she needs, oh,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 11: I don't know. I think it's, it is one of
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 11: those that probably would look kind of dated to kids now,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 11: but I don't know. To me, it's still got such a,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: it's got almost like a very magical quality to it.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: Like they really did bring in like this super high
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: end cinematographer and he used like a special filter on
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: everything to give it like one big sort of, Almost
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 11: like a tint to it, so it all was like
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: this fantasy world and everything sort of fit into this
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 11: one big world. So I don't know, to me, you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 11: can almost immerse yourself into the weirdness of this world.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: I think it helps.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 11: I think it helps that it's not modern day and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 11: it doesn't have human characters. I think it really is
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 11: something that's a little more timeless because you can just
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 11: be lost in the world that they create there.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: Definitely.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 11: Again, effects-wise, I can see kids, but kids now are
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 11: probably just not used to seeing puppets, period.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And if so, it's... That'd be cool just in
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and of itself.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 21: Yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 11: If so, it's probably very silly, you know, kid-ified Goofy puppets.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 11: These were trying to be, like, almost realistic. They gave
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 11: them skin tones and texturing and hair and stuff that
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 11: a lot of, you know, kiddie puppets don't. Yeah.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: Very detailed eye.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 11: That they put together so it's yeah it's it's a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 11: different thing that they're going for in this that most
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 11: stuff today either doesn't have or just doesn't even try
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 11: to do so it's i don't know it's interesting to
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 11: see what other people think of it especially new generations
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 11: as they come along but definitely I actually think the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 11: storyline is pretty cool. And again, that may be the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 11: nostalgia thing kicking in because I don't remember ever being
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 11: confused by it, but I also remember watching it repeatedly.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: So I think maybe the first time through, I might've
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 11: been confused. I might've been like, okay, I'm been like,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: I don't know. It's a lot to follow. But as
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 11: I saw it on cable 40 different times and we
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 11: had it on tape, once, you know, we got the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: big fancy VHS machine, you know, recorded and watched it
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 11: so many times that, you know, I really piece together
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 11: the two halves, and the one cuts his hand and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 11: the other does, or the one dies and the other disappears.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 11: I think after so many viewings, you really get the story,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 11: but it may take a couple of times. Especially if
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 11: you're a kid, it may take a few different viewings
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 11: to really latch on to all that stuff.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: I think that I just realized that today when one disappears.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know why. I had never put it together before.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the third time. The same beam.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: You're just not disappearing for the fun of it.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 11: I'm going to, I'm tired of walking.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: I'm out of here, man.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: Beam me up, Mystic Scotty.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 11: Oh, Lord. So, yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: Otherwise, thank you, Doc and KK. Yay, thank you.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 11: Once again, check them out at fmnpodcast.com. They're very entertaining
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 11: and a very different take on a show that pretty
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 11: much nobody has, so I give them credit for doing
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 11: something original.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: It's very cool.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 11: All right, so I think that wraps up our Dark
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 11: Crystal talk. We will take a break and be back
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: with the rest of the show.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: What's it for?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 14: Is that what you want to know?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 11: You want to know what.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 15: This is all about?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Is that it, Gautlin?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 11: You don't know?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 23: You've never looked at the heavens. Everything in the heavens
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 23: is here, moving as the heavens move.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 15: This is how to know when.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: That's what.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 15: Suns, moons, stars.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 11: Yes, the angle of eternity.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 15: That's how I know it's coming.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 23: How else can I make a prediction?
• 1:11:58
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  Speaker 21: There's a dark crystal trying to overtake me, trying to
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  Speaker 4: Sweet ass.
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  Speaker 11: Kind of we finally uh we did get some uh
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  Speaker 11: some feedback and it's it's kind of good because it
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  Speaker 11: sort of balances out everything we said last week because
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  Speaker 11: we were pretty much on board for that movie and
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  Speaker 11: i i imagined a lot of people were going to
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  Speaker 11: disagree with us so um yeah we heard from uh
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  Speaker 11: retro man steve the editor of lost highway and creator
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  Speaker 11: of our awesome logo by the way as a side
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  Speaker 11: note but um yeah he wrote to us and he
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  Speaker 11: says Hey, Movie Meltdown. So I heard you were going
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  Speaker 11: to check out Heartbeats. Frankly, I don't remember seeing it
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  Speaker 11: or even hearing about.
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  Speaker 6: This movie when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 11: Perhaps I subconsciously blocked it from my childhood memories to
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  Speaker 11: avoid the trauma of reliving it because after 10 minutes,
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  Speaker 11: I wanted to.
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  Speaker 6: Punch this movie in the face.
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  Speaker 11: Nice. Hard.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, what was the point?
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  Speaker 11: Andy Kaufman and his girlfriend robot just wanted to look
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  Speaker 11: at trees and get mauled by a bear? gotta say
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  Speaker 11: i was rooting for the bear also i need to
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  Speaker 11: watch a rodney dangerfield robot tell bad jokes for an
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  Speaker 11: hour and a half i already saw back to school
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  Speaker 11: it was funnier nice it seemed like a lot of
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  Speaker 11: the same cast from rock and roll high school and
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  Speaker 11: shopping mall were in this one including the giant kill
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  Speaker 11: bot with its own annoying dialogue i did like the
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  Speaker 11: kill bot though he goes on to say oh the
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  Speaker 11: big difference between those movies where they were good and
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  Speaker 11: this wasn't heartbeats had no redeeming value to its to
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  Speaker 11: it whatsoever. In fact, I think I may be a
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  Speaker 11: bit dumber. It was 78 minutes of pure crap that
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  Speaker 11: made me miss watching Mannequin and Weekend at Bernie's 2.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. Mannequin for the win.
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  Speaker 17: Nice.
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  Speaker 11: I didn't either, actually.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's many redeeming qualities.
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  Speaker 11: There are none in Mannequin or Weekend at Bernie's 2.
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  Speaker 11: One is genius.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say I love Weekend at Bernie's.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, the first one is genius.
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  Speaker 1: Genius!
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  Speaker 11: So yeah, he wraps it up with, I love your show,
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  Speaker 11: but if you expose me to something like this again,
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  Speaker 11: I will make you watch Manos, the Hands of Fate
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  Speaker 11: on an infamous loop without the MST3K commentary. Oh, the pain.
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  Speaker 11: The pain. Signed, Retro Man Steve.
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  Speaker 4: That was one of.
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  Speaker 13: My favorite Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes.
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  Speaker 6: Because they annihilate that movie.
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  Speaker 11: So yes, it was kind of good to have a
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  Speaker 11: counterpoint because we threw it out there and even the
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  Speaker 11: call we got was on our side. So there weren't
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  Speaker 11: a whole lot of, uh, of people that bothered to
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  Speaker 11: get ahold of us that felt differently. But I think
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  Speaker 11: a lot of people from when I could read off
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  Speaker 11: the internet had issues with that movie and I had
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  Speaker 11: issues with that movie because I think it's kind of
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  Speaker 11: the opposite of this movie today. It's like... I mean,
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  Speaker 11: they didn't bother to invest any time in the world.
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  Speaker 11: There was no work put into the world that they
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  Speaker 11: lived in. They came up with these characters and then
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  Speaker 11: gave them nothing to do.
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  Speaker 1: They almost had no idea what to do with them
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  Speaker 1: once they made them.
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  Speaker 11: Nothing to do, no world to do it in. And
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  Speaker 11: if you've got this future society, where the hell is it?
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  Speaker 6: Because they didn't bother to put it into the movie.
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  Speaker 10: So.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's many points I agree with you on. There's
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  Speaker 11: a lot of ridiculous shit going on in that movie.
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  Speaker 11: But I think there was some redeeming stuff along the way.
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  Speaker 11: The whole relationships between the robots was kind of cool.
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  Speaker 11: The fact that they had no story to put the
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  Speaker 11: relationships into was pretty much their problem, really. But whatever.
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  Speaker 11: But yes, thank you once again to Retro Man Steve.
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  Speaker 13: Amelie sounds a lot like me.
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  Speaker 10: I've never watched the movie, but we have the same haircut,
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  Speaker 10: and it says, lives alone and works in a cafe
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  Speaker 10: when she finds a trove of toys hidden for 40
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  Speaker 10: years behind a baseboard in her apartment. That could totally
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  Speaker 10: happen to me any day.
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  Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus.
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  Speaker 9: You could.
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  Speaker 13: God knows what's hidden behind that.
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  Speaker 11: Are you okay?
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  Speaker 13: I pushed my earphone into my ear too far.
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  Speaker 11: Into your brain.
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  Speaker 13: A punctured my brain.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, kids, get out your Dakota pins.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: KK did a much better fanfare.
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  Speaker 11: Alright, so it is time for the movie meltdown secret
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  Speaker 11: circle reveal of the next two features. For you members
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  Speaker 11: of the secret circle. Sort of.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of. Kind of. Maybe one and a half.
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  Speaker 15: Or one.
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  Speaker 11: Next week's feature, we at least have the movie we
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  Speaker 11: threw it out there for the votes this is what
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  Speaker 11: I realized in throwing out there the vote for whatever
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  Speaker 11: you want in Dennis Hopper's career Dennis Hopper did a
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  Speaker 11: hell of a lot of movies.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: So, basically.
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  Speaker 1: Some good, some bad.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Well, but we got votes for good and bad. We
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  Speaker 11: got votes for really awesome stuff that he did. We
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  Speaker 11: got stuff for ridiculous stuff that he did.
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  Speaker 4: Space Truckers.
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  Speaker 11: Space Truckers is awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Mario Brothers.
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  Speaker 10: Yes.
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  Speaker 11: Both of which are ridiculous and awesome at the same time. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 11: we got to a point where there was so much
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  Speaker 11: diversity that nothing was overwhelming. So I think we've come
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  Speaker 11: up with one that got the votes and sort of
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  Speaker 11: put us all on board to do it. So we're
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  Speaker 11: going to go with probably one of the best-known movies
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  Speaker 11: he's in and certainly one of his best performances ever.
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  Speaker 11: We're going to go with Blue Velvet.
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  Speaker 21: Nice.
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  Speaker 6: A very weird, twisted, Lynchian movie.
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  Speaker 11: So... Yeah, prepare yourself. Go watch some more Blue Velvet
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  Speaker 11: and drink some PBR or whatever the hell it is
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  Speaker 11: you need to do to prepare for this movie. The
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  Speaker 11: following week, we're taking some sort of weird side route here.
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  Speaker 11: And the best thing I've come up with is that
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  Speaker 11: we're actually having a film fest here with a lot
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  Speaker 11: of cool movies coming in.
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  Speaker 6: So I think I'm actually going.
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  Speaker 11: To head out there next week and try to put
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  Speaker 11: together a show on the film fest floor there and
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  Speaker 11: see what kind of cool stuff we can come up with.
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  Speaker 16: So.
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  Speaker 11: we will have a possible episode coming from the flyover
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  Speaker 11: film fest here. So yeah, that should be interesting. And
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  Speaker 11: a lot of new stuff that people may have not
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  Speaker 11: even seen. So that will be cool to kind of
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  Speaker 11: get the word.
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  Speaker 20: Out on those.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm assuming we have nothing else.
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  Speaker 11: So we'll fire up the closing song, which by the way,
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  Speaker 11: there's a good amount of songs out there that were,
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  Speaker 11: you know, I like to work in all this different
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  Speaker 11: music along the way. And usually it's just to sort
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  Speaker 11: of show the effect of these movies have and how
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  Speaker 11: many people they've, affected and inspired and yeah you get
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  Speaker 11: a lot of weird stuff along the way and um
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  Speaker 11: this one uh the dark crystal was a whole lot
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  Speaker 11: of crazy um i don't know like goth kids with
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  Speaker 11: weird dance beats and shit but um then i got
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  Speaker 11: to this one this one is uh the dark crystal.
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  Speaker 4: Wrap it's a dark crystal wrap oh yeah.
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  Speaker 11: It's frightening I was halfway there when I realized it
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  Speaker 11: was the Dark Crystal.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 11: Which is funny in and of itself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 11: But I was totally sold when he threw out the line,
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  Speaker 11: I think I want to get.
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  Speaker 6: Up and cure his ass.
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  Speaker 12: All right.
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  Speaker 11: On that note, that about does it. We will return
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  Speaker 11: next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 20: Thanks, guys.
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  Speaker 13: Later, y'all.
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  Speaker 11: I'll think he was ass.
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  Speaker 1: I'll think he was ass.
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  Speaker 24: Yo, what's up, everybody?
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  Speaker 1: This is Lil Jen, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 19: MC Gelfling.
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  Speaker 11: I'm about to take you on a little journey.
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  Speaker 24: Raise up your glasses, y'all, and get ready for the
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  Speaker 24: story of the Dark Crystal. Once upon a time, in
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  Speaker 24: a distant land of dark, there was a huge-ass super-sized bottle.
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  Speaker 1: Of Cristal.
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  Speaker 4: Living under three suns, all.
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  Speaker 11: The people having fun.
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  Speaker 24: They were clinking and drinking Cristal for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: But then it was a dropout. A snack hit the deck.
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  Speaker 4: It was Skeksis and the next year it.
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  Speaker 1: Was a take.
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  Speaker 24: So I got wrecked and sent two different races to
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  Speaker 24: two different places. The Skeksis headed west with their creepy
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  Speaker 24: dead bird faces. The Uru landed on the east coast
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  Speaker 24: for all their help to come. They were all brought
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  Speaker 24: to Mystics who liked to sit around and hum. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 24: I sound good right there. In step the prophecy. There's
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  Speaker 24: no stopping me.
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  Speaker 1: Gelfand's gonna help things.
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  Speaker 24: Pretty soon we'll be popping C.
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  Speaker 4: R-I-S to the T-A-L. Full throttle.
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  Speaker 24: Face the bottle and break that spell. The whole world
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  Speaker 24: is ugly. No one's sipping on bubbly. Wanna get busy
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  Speaker 24: without the fizzy.
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  Speaker 1: The ladies won't love me.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta say the land of thrall.
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  Speaker 1: I am foreign.
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  Speaker 4: Some Skeksis and go get that Cristal.
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  Speaker 24: I went to Agra and got that cracked up shard
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  Speaker 24: of Cristal.
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  Speaker 1: Then I met Kira and Fizzy Gig. He was a
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  Speaker 1: little fucking ball. Jumped on the land strider, rode.
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  Speaker 4: To the castle.
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  Speaker 24: Faced off with the Skeksis. Man, those dudes are crazy assholes.
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  Speaker 11: I put the cracked shard of the bottle back into
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  Speaker 11: the right spot.
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  Speaker 24: Now the east and west coast got back together and
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  Speaker 24: it's jointed.
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  Speaker 19: F * * *.
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  Speaker 24: Part is a blast, Crystals blowin' fast I'm thinkin' I
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  Speaker 24: wanna get up in Kara's ass We're all havin' a ball,
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  Speaker 24: there won't be no last call West and East, squash
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  Speaker 24: the beat, they're all drinkin' Crystals But the people still comin',
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  Speaker 24: and the mystics still hummin' they go That's the.
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  Speaker 23: End of the Dark Crystal Hoes, wings I don't have wings.
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  Speaker 25: Of course not.
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  Speaker 1: You're a boy.
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