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Credlin | 19 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Kredland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your
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Speaker 2: company live from London again. Lots to get across though
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Speaker 2: here in London, but also back at home. Let's get
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Speaker 2: into it. Here's what's coming up tonight on Credline. Clive
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Speaker 2: Palmer tries to cash in on enthusiasm surrounding Donald Trump's reelection,
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Speaker 2: announcing the new Trumpet of Patriots Party. This comes amd
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Speaker 2: bombshell revelations he secretly tried to bankroll one.
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Speaker 3: Nation last year.
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Speaker 2: As you would expect, energy and that zero in particular
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Speaker 2: dominating debate at London at ARC, I caught up with
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Speaker 2: climate expert Bejord Lomberg and we discussed the absurdity of
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Speaker 2: China's so called green credentials, and I asked him, is
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Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement dead? That's coming out Finally, it seems
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Speaker 2: the West is alive to radical Islam and it's not
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Speaker 2: just the usual suspects calling out the streat. I was
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Speaker 2: joined shortly by two political analysts from the UAE. We're
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Speaker 2: urging countries like Australia to wake up in more evidence
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Speaker 2: of the net zero reality. South Australia tries to save
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Speaker 2: the embattled Wayala steel Works, forcing the plant into administration.
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Speaker 2: The PM will visit Wyala tomorrow in a clear sign
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Speaker 2: this will be a major election issue.
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Speaker 4: The South Australian Government has decided to put the operator
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Speaker 4: of the steel works into administration. We do so with
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Speaker 4: absolute confidence and clarity that this is the right course
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Speaker 4: of action to secure still making this country for first.
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Speaker 2: In another aftershock from the Donald Trump election and the
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Speaker 2: wholesale retreat of American corporates from the diversity, equity and
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Speaker 2: inclusion agenda, the Australian Stock Exchange has drop their plans
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Speaker 2: to require all directors to publicly declare their sexual orientation,
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Speaker 2: then racial background, and their religious beliefs.
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Speaker 3: Now, despite this.
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Speaker 2: Being a total invasion of privacy, it was being pushed
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Speaker 2: on the asix by the union control super funds, big
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Speaker 2: business or they've been cowtowing to them for years, but
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Speaker 2: not anymore, backed by other boardroom types. Investment banker John
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Speaker 2: Wiley has said it's time to at the diversity debate
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Speaker 2: and has said pick people on merit rather than race,
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Speaker 2: gender or religious diversity. Said Wiley, the sort of diversity
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Speaker 2: board's needs is he says, and I quote, they want
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Speaker 2: diversity in their thought processes, their personal qualities, and their skills.
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Speaker 3: Now I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 2: But how's it taken the election of a US president
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Speaker 2: to call this madness out?
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Speaker 3: For years we've.
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Speaker 2: Railed against this nonsense in Australia, but all too often
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Speaker 2: words of common sense have been shouted down. What's happening
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Speaker 2: here is seismic because it's not just the Dei agenda
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Speaker 2: that's driving US politics, that US politics is driving, but
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Speaker 2: also the pushback against net zero. Overnight in London, I
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Speaker 2: caught up with a whole lot of people in this
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Speaker 2: particular fight, including, as I said, beyond Lomberg.
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Speaker 3: Will speak with him later.
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Speaker 2: Following the bombshell remarks of the new US Energy Secretary
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Speaker 2: Chris Wright, who said this at the ARC conference New zero,
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Speaker 2: he said, it is a sinister goal. This is not
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Speaker 2: about energy transition, It is lunacy.
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Speaker 3: Net zero has been.
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Speaker 2: A colossal failure economically. It has made electricity more expensive
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Speaker 2: and less reliable. And the timing of all of this
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Speaker 2: on the cusp of an Australian election is certainly an
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Speaker 2: opportunity for the coalition to reset the whole energy debate.
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Speaker 3: The question is will they use it.
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Speaker 2: And look staying with energy Today, the South Australian government
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Speaker 2: has placed the Wayale Steel Works into administration to prevent
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Speaker 2: the failure the only domestic manufacturer of Australia's railway steel.
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Speaker 2: For months, despite the promises of owner Sanje Gupta, suppliers
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Speaker 2: have not been paid. When he took over seven years ago,
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Speaker 2: Gupta promised to make greens steel, substituting hydrogen produced for
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Speaker 2: wind and solar for the coal fired blast furnaces that
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Speaker 2: have served us so well. Unsurprisingly, nothing's come of this,
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Speaker 2: despite millions and millions in taxpayer grants, even though it
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Speaker 2: was later as last November, a company spokesman said, and
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Speaker 2: I quote, we remain resolute in our commitment to green
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Speaker 2: steel transformation, which will take time but remains a multi
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Speaker 2: generational opportunity.
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Speaker 3: For Australia to lead the world.
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Speaker 2: You're right, of course, it would be a disaster if
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Speaker 2: we were to lose as the capacity to make steel,
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Speaker 2: which is at the heart of an industrial economy. But
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Speaker 2: this is what happens when an economy is run to
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Speaker 2: reduce emissions rather than create the goods and services that
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Speaker 2: people need. The steel Works is by far the biggest
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Speaker 2: employer in Wyala, with about three thousand Australians about.
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Speaker 3: To lose their jobs.
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott was once mocked for saying that the carbon
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Speaker 2: tax would Whyella off the map economically. It was even
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Speaker 2: promoted by this clown then Labor Trade Minister Craig Emerson,
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Speaker 2: to get himself all over the ABC with this stunt.
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Speaker 5: Why Allah white out there on my TV? No, why
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Speaker 5: Alah white out there on my TV? Nor why Allah
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Speaker 5: white belt there on my TV? Shocking me right out
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Speaker 5: of my brain? Shocking me right out of my brain?
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Speaker 2: Well, who's laughing now? It was right ten years ago,
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Speaker 2: just as so many others are right now about their
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Speaker 2: warnings regarding Chris Bowen's targets for twenty thirty and the
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Speaker 2: whole net zero agenda.
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Speaker 3: The rest of the world. Australia is waking up.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you it's clear, even under a labor
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Speaker 2: government in the UK, that the tide is turned, not turning,
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Speaker 2: it has turned. This is why anyone who says they
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Speaker 2: know now how our election will turn out, they're kidding themselves.
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Speaker 2: This issue will be a feature of the coming camp
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Speaker 2: and right now the backlash against woke energy, Like everything
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Speaker 2: woke is moving fast and it's unpredictable. And the question
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Speaker 2: is our voters ready to call out this Green madness
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Speaker 2: or will Labor hang on with the support of the
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Speaker 2: Greens and go even harder that Australia is your choice.
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Speaker 2: And finally, what will cause immense grief in Israel and
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Speaker 2: to Jewish Australians indeed anyone with a heart and a
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Speaker 2: conscience right around the world.
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Speaker 3: It seems that her mass.
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Speaker 2: Is about to release the bodies of Scheery Beabis and
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Speaker 2: her two little children, aged nine months and four years old,
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Speaker 2: who were taken hostage on October seven. It's utterly evil
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Speaker 2: that innocence civilians were butchered, let alone taken hostage. The
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Speaker 2: psychological torture that's been inflicted on hostage families is beyond evil.
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Speaker 2: But to dangle hope for this family for months, indeed,
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Speaker 2: to release the father and raise hope for the release
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Speaker 2: of the wife and the two little ones, knowing all
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Speaker 2: along that they were dead, well, that's inhuman is this?
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Speaker 2: Two Australian students were protesting for do support these barbaric terrorists.
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Speaker 2: People who think that a baby in nappies is somehow
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Speaker 2: a legitimate target. What shames me most is that while
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Speaker 2: we can put this stupidity of the students down to ignorance,
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Speaker 2: and we know that the other activists are just professional Marxists,
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Speaker 2: what does it say about our elected governor in Canberra
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Speaker 2: that we have basically legitimized hum Us at the UN
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Speaker 2: and in our failure to act fast and early on
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism in Australia. Let's say again, if anything, anything
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Speaker 2: happens as a result of letig in three thousand largely
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Speaker 2: unchecked people from Gaza into Australia, that it will be
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Speaker 2: on the head of this Prime Minister and his puppet
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Speaker 2: master Penny Wong. All right, let's go to Camperdown for
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Speaker 2: the headlines Skyny's political reporter cam.
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Speaker 3: Ridden Good evening.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister will visit the embattled Wyala Steel Works
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Speaker 6: tomorrow after it was placed into administration.
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Speaker 4: That this is the right course of action to secure
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Speaker 4: still making this country.
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Speaker 6: The steelworks is millions of dollars behind on its bills
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Speaker 6: and royalties. Parent company GfG, which has around three thousand
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Speaker 6: workers in South Australia, is having to sell its stake
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Speaker 6: in a new South Wales coal mine to try and
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Speaker 6: meet some of its repayments. Clive Palmer is back, promising
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Speaker 6: to pump millions of dollars into a little known political
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Speaker 6: party called the Trumpet of Patriots.
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Speaker 7: It's the Trumpet of Patriots. It's the Trumpet and.
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Speaker 8: To distortion of democracy. When you have an individual spending
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Speaker 8: one hundred million dollars on a campaign.
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Speaker 6: An election is imminent, but there's still time to get
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Speaker 6: to grips with the new name.
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Speaker 9: Do they want to.
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Speaker 7: Vote for the Trumpet of Patriots? Of course they do,
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Speaker 7: Trumpet of Patriots.
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Speaker 6: His return to the political arena almost looked very different.
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Speaker 6: Sky News has revealed details of a secret meeting with
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Speaker 6: One Nation officials in which mister Palmer pitched to form
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Speaker 6: a merged party with Pauline Hanson, offering ten million dollars
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Speaker 6: in campaign funding and half a million dollars for her
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Speaker 6: legal defense against a defamation claim. That offer was ultimately rejected.
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Speaker 6: Wages rose by zero point seven percent in the December quarter,
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Speaker 6: coming in slightly below market expectations.
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Speaker 10: For five consecutive quarters. Real wages have been growing.
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Speaker 6: Cameron Redden's Sky News Canberra, thank good and sir for.
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Speaker 2: The common sense of point Hanson that she rejected that
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Speaker 2: offer from the clown. Clive Palmer joined me now to
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Speaker 2: take through the news. My colleague and co host this week,
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Speaker 2: Steve Price, Thanks a.
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Speaker 9: Lot, Peter.
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Speaker 11: Let's stay on the cut now, I reckon. The Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister must think Australian voters are a bunch of mugs.
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Speaker 11: How else can you explain his appearance in his own electorate.
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Speaker 11: It happened this morning televised on Sky Live. He was
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Speaker 11: there to trumpet the decision taken by the Independent Reserve
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Speaker 11: Bank yesterday to cut the cash rate for the first
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Speaker 11: time since way back in November twenty twenty. So what
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Speaker 11: does the Prime Minister do to celebrate that interest rate
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Speaker 11: cut that his policies had nothing to do with.
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Speaker 9: Well, Anthony Ibnez.
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Speaker 11: He wheeled out a couple who have a mortgage in
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Speaker 11: a suburb where he is the local member. They owe
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Speaker 11: the bank, according to the Prime Minister, six hundred thousand
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Speaker 11: dollars on that mortgage, and when the zo point two
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Speaker 11: five cut is asked for by the labor supporting locals,
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Speaker 11: they're going to save the grand total of one hundred
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Speaker 11: and fifteen dollars a month. That's twenty eight dollars a week,
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Speaker 11: not even a coffee a day, I mean seriously. At
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Speaker 11: the same media conference, the Prime Minister claimed that his
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Speaker 11: government had worked with Australia and we were heading in
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Speaker 11: the right direction.
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Speaker 8: But my government has worked with the Australians to bring
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Speaker 8: down inflation, to see wages increasing, to see interest rates
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Speaker 8: now falling, a tax cut for every single Australian.
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Speaker 9: I mean seriously.
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Speaker 11: He's an appalling campaigner that in a Sydney seat of Merrickfield,
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Speaker 11: by the way, has some of the most expensive rents
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Speaker 11: in the nation. What has this term of labor done
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Speaker 11: to drive down rents?
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Speaker 9: Nothing?
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Speaker 11: As we know, immigration has contributed to what we are
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Speaker 11: calling and what is really a housing crisis. And as usual,
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Speaker 11: the media conference wound up with an attack on opposition leader.
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Speaker 9: He did it.
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Speaker 8: The only people that I've seen disappointed by the Reserve
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Speaker 8: Bank governor is well. I don't know what Peter Dutton thinks,
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Speaker 8: because no one's seen him since the announcement, But Angus
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Speaker 8: Taylor looked like someone who had run over his cat
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Speaker 8: in the driveway yesterday. He looks so just appointed. And
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Speaker 8: they continue to talk Australia down.
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Speaker 9: Just silly little sledges.
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Speaker 11: If what we saw this morning was address rehearsal for
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Speaker 11: the upcoming election. Then I reckon Labour's in more trouble
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Speaker 11: than we all thought. Let's bring in our panel, senior
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Speaker 11: fellow Menzi's Research Center, Nick Kator and the Shadow Environment
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Speaker 11: Minister Jonathan Dunham. Welcome to you both. Let's start with
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Speaker 11: that breaking news this afternoon. South Australian government rescue operation underway,
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Speaker 11: going to step in and put the Wireless steel Works
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Speaker 11: into administration. Peter Malanowskis goes there tomorrow, so will a
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Speaker 11: Prime minister. I suspect they're going to throw more money
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Speaker 11: at it now Here was the essay Premier Malanowskis earlier today.
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Speaker 4: It is unacceptable for such an important, critical piece of
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Speaker 4: economic infrastructure for the nation to be in a situation
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Speaker 4: where its ongoing operations are so severely compromised, as we
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Speaker 4: believe was the case prior to John.
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Speaker 9: What's going on here.
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Speaker 11: We've got a stake forcing a private company into administration.
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Speaker 11: This company was given sixty one million dollars last January
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Speaker 11: January before this one by Chris Bowen. I mean, do
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Speaker 11: you think that they will announce tomorrow more grants and
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Speaker 11: more money to be poured into Wyale.
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Speaker 12: Well, this is Steve government that is quite cavalier about
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Speaker 12: the use of taxpayers money, and they'll splash it about
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Speaker 12: whenever it suits them. Let's not forget, though, that the
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Speaker 12: reason this company was in the situation it was in
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Speaker 12: is because of this government of both state and federal
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Speaker 12: labor government's ideological pursuit of green energy transition. The safeguard
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Speaker 12: mechanism would not help this business. The higher power prices
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Speaker 12: they contend with would not help this business. Inflexible industrial
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Speaker 12: relations laws would not help this business. So they've created
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Speaker 12: the problem and now they can come in the night
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Speaker 12: in shining armor to save this business and these jobs.
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Speaker 12: It's all a little bit too convenient. So while they're
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Speaker 12: out there claiming credit for saving the d I think
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Speaker 12: they should also acknowledge the hand they've had in driving
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Speaker 12: this business to the brink, along with so many others
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Speaker 12: across the country. The twenty seven thousand businesses that have
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Speaker 12: gone into receivership. Where's the handout for them? So this government,
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Speaker 12: you know, while they want to cry about this, they
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Speaker 12: should talk about the road that took this business to
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Speaker 12: this point in the first place.
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Speaker 11: Nick, we saw Peter Kredlin there at the start of
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Speaker 11: the program talking about what would the Art Conference in
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Speaker 11: the UK's hearing about this rush to net zero, and
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Speaker 11: you had the new US administration standing up there saying
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Speaker 11: it's madness.
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Speaker 9: Is the wheel turning? Do you think?
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Speaker 1: I think it is turning? Not for this government here,
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Speaker 1: not for the Albanesi government. But you know, I think
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Speaker 1: just to go back to Whaler for a moment, that
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Speaker 1: illustrates that this whole future Made in Australia plan isn't working,
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Speaker 1: even though they're spending Williams on television advertising that can
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Speaker 1: campaign right now, the green energy superpower isn't work. King
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Speaker 1: the fantasy about green hydrogen, green steel, it's not going
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Speaker 1: to work. It's not going to work, and sooner or
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Speaker 1: later reality will bite. Hopefully the electric will realize that
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Speaker 1: there's no future under this government if it continues these plans.
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Speaker 1: But certainly I think, you know, as on so many issues,
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Speaker 1: the election of Donald Trump has really pushed the debate
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Speaker 1: along on this on the side of common sense.
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Speaker 11: John know, I suspect Chris Bowen won't be on the
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Speaker 11: PM's plane tomorrow on the way to Wyaler.
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Speaker 9: Let's have a look and.
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Speaker 11: Remind ourselves what he said about that operation in Wyala
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Speaker 11: and green hydrogen a year ago.
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Speaker 13: I'm also announcing today another allocation out of the fund,
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Speaker 13: sixty three million dollars for Bluescope's friends at Liberty Steel
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Speaker 13: in Whala that'll be use for the establishment of electric
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Speaker 13: art furnace.
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Speaker 9: John sixty three million. Down the drain.
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Speaker 12: Sixty three million dollars of hard earned taxpayers money, you
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Speaker 12: in a way that now, frankly, we had not much
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Speaker 12: to show for, and again all in pursuit of net
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Speaker 12: zero when other countries aren't doing this and have seen
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Speaker 12: the light and gone well to you know what, We're
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Speaker 12: pricing ourselves out of the market, making ourselves uncompetitive, and
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Speaker 12: this is what this government is doing. It will be
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Speaker 12: interesting to see whether they tomorrow when they have their
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Speaker 12: press conference, acknowledge this in any way. But again, as
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Speaker 12: I said before, labor government, state and federal have no
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Speaker 12: problem handing out cash, particularly when it is not their
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Speaker 12: own money, for whatever stunt or prop up they need
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Speaker 12: to be a part of.
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Speaker 9: And this will be the latest.
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Speaker 11: Nick we saw the Prime Minister having a crack there
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Speaker 11: at Peter Dutton. It seems this campaign's going to be.
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Speaker 11: What Labor will do is just trying to attack Peter
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Speaker 11: Dutton and his credibility. I mean he's out there every
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Speaker 11: day talking Australia down, according to the Prime Minister. I
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Speaker 11: mean I don't think the public believe that Peter Dutton's
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Speaker 11: talking Australia down at all.
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Speaker 1: I mean the cover's bear for Labor, isn't it. I
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Speaker 1: mean when they're reduced to this day in day out,
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Speaker 1: as indeed in that clip we saw earlier with Craig Emerson,
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Speaker 1: flashback to what it was like ten years ago, the
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Speaker 1: same thing was happening. Labor didn't have any answers and
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Speaker 1: was just attacking the opposition. So look, look it's not
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Speaker 1: going to wash. I think if anything is going to
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Speaker 1: help the opposition. I mean it certainly helped Angus Taylor's
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Speaker 1: name recognition and every time he talks about Peter Dutma,
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Speaker 1: I think people have made up their minds about Peter Dutnat.
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Speaker 1: I'll make up their minds. And the trend in terms
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Speaker 1: of popularity is moving his way. So I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's at all effective and it just diminishes the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister quite.
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Speaker 11: Frankly, Jonathan, I watched that Cloude Palmer media conference today
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Speaker 11: launching this new party, claim it will help make Australia
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Speaker 11: great again.
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Speaker 9: He's a bit of clive.
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Speaker 7: Very appropriate for this election because it's the Trump pet
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Speaker 7: of Patriot, so it's that Trump. But I'm more than
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Speaker 7: happy to spend my funds on something protective, defending the writer,
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Speaker 7: free speech, and whatever's required to be spent, it'll be spent.
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Speaker 9: Very odd, Jonathan, very odd.
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Speaker 11: And we learned today, of course, thanks to this guy,
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Speaker 11: that he tried to buy his way into one nation.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, you can always bank on certain participants in the
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Speaker 12: democratic process to cause a bit of a sideshell on
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Speaker 12: the way through. But I'd say, as much as I
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Speaker 12: say to anyone out there, if you're looking at donating
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Speaker 12: or putting money into someone who's participating in the election,
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Speaker 12: minor parties are not the way to go, because if
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Speaker 12: we end up with a minority government of any color,
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Speaker 12: it is a bad outcome for our country. And here
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Speaker 12: in Tasmania we've had more than our fair share of
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Speaker 12: minority governments at a state level and mainland states or
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Speaker 12: crack jokes about us being a mendicant state and the like.
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Speaker 12: We have been held back by minor parties, particularly the Greens,
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Speaker 12: telling major parties normally Labor what to do and it
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Speaker 12: never ends well. So while I applaud anyone who wants
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Speaker 12: to participate in the democratic process, now is not the
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Speaker 12: time to be experimenting with unusually named minor parties trumpeting
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Speaker 12: whatever it is they're trumpeting.
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Speaker 11: Nick, you and I have been around a long time
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Speaker 11: and we well remember what it was like when we
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Speaker 11: had a minority Labor government last time, where Julia Gillard
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Speaker 11: had to deal with Rob Oakshot and Tony Windsor and
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Speaker 11: Bob Catter and a whole host of across benches. Everyone
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Speaker 11: keeps saying it it's the worst possible outcome. Well, it
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Speaker 11: will be the worst possible outcome. What a circus and
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Speaker 11: what chaotic government that would be.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's destined for failure and it's destined. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it may not even run three years. You know that
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Speaker 1: the Omens are not good for it, and eventually, you know,
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Speaker 1: it will prove that Labor has nothing at all to
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Speaker 1: run on and people will come over.
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Speaker 9: To the Couralition.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a it's either this election or
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Speaker 1: the next. But I think you know, it would be
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Speaker 1: really bad for the country particularly. I don't actually see
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Speaker 1: Clyde Palmer picking up too many votes actually with a limp,
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Speaker 1: limply named party like that, you know, living off the
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Speaker 1: glories of Donald Trump. But look, I mean it's to
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Speaker 1: the extent at which it will disrupt the voting patterns
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Speaker 1: and increase the chance of a minority government when it's
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Speaker 1: clearly just a vanity project by Clive it's nothing else.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a very very foolish thing to do.
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Speaker 11: He just wants to see his name in newspaper ads again.
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Speaker 11: John O and Nick, thank you very much for joining us. Now,
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Speaker 11: coming up after the break back in London with Peter
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Speaker 11: Creedlin and Peter has got with her two very special guests,
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Speaker 11: the rising influence of Islam on Western politics. She asked
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Speaker 11: the question why those who know say we need to
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Speaker 11: wake up?
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Speaker 3: Welcome back holiday.
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Speaker 2: Coming up with Steve here we with us in a moment,
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Speaker 2: But first, A big topic of debated ARC this week
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Speaker 2: was energy. Has been energy and in particular the net
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Speaker 2: zero agenda. At the conference, we heard from the new
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Speaker 2: US Energy Secretary, Chris Ryan. I mentioned this at the
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Speaker 2: top of the show. This is what he said, and
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Speaker 2: I think it's extraordinary. Net zero is a sinister goal.
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Speaker 2: This is not about energy transition. It is lunacy. That
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Speaker 2: zero has been a colossal failure economically. It's made electricity
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Speaker 2: more expensive and less reliable. Now that's the view of
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Speaker 2: the new Trump administration energy boss.
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Speaker 3: Given the way to the.
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Speaker 2: US and the global debate, is this just more proof
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Speaker 2: that the Paris Agreement is dead? I caught up with
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Speaker 2: someone who's been fighting a good fight on energy sanity
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Speaker 2: for a long time, someone well known to us in Australia,
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Speaker 2: president of the Copenhagen Consensus Center beyond Lomburg. I've got
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Speaker 2: to ask, you know, with the arrival of Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: and tearing up of the Paris Agreement, is it dead?
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Speaker 14: So Trump did this last time and everybody just sort
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Speaker 14: of powered through and said we're going to get to
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Speaker 14: the other side and then we'll just keep on going.
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Speaker 14: Here in Britain they actually said we're gonna save you know,
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Speaker 14: the climate if Trump won't do this. First of all,
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Speaker 14: that is ridiculous, because you know, the Americans is just
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Speaker 14: so much bigger. But I think the feeling is very
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Speaker 14: different because back in twenty sixteen or seventeen, you could
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Speaker 14: sort of say that because you still hadn't seen the
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Speaker 14: huge costs of going net zero. Now increasingly everyone is
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Speaker 14: doing that. We're we're in a conference center. They can't
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Speaker 14: keep warm here because they are going on net zero.
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Speaker 14: So everybody's going to run freezing a little. We're probably
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Speaker 14: freezing right now. But more importantly, this means that ordinary
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Speaker 14: people are now paying extraordinary prices. So in the UK
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Speaker 14: the price of electricity over the last twenty two years
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Speaker 14: has tripled. You know, these are real costs.
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Speaker 9: And once you get to that point.
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Speaker 14: People start saying, I can't keep my home heat, I
22:54
Speaker 14: can't run my car as much as I.
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Speaker 9: Want, I can't do a lot of things.
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Speaker 14: That's not a good place to be in. And then
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Speaker 14: Trump comes around and says, we're just not going to
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Speaker 14: do it. What that shows you is, of course we've.
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Speaker 9: Known this for a long time.
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Speaker 14: Though everybody else is not going.
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Speaker 3: To do this, you know so well.
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Speaker 14: To bemit is not other Australian virtues. Britain might stand
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Speaker 14: up and say we're going to keep doing this, but
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Speaker 14: it doesn't matter as long as China, India, Africa and
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Speaker 14: now the US is not going to do it.
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Speaker 2: So so whine Earth in with Australia keep deindustrializing the
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Speaker 2: way we are if Paris is basically dead.
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Speaker 14: So it's because I think that it's so virtuous. It
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Speaker 14: feels like we're saving the world. First of all, climate
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Speaker 14: change is not about saving the world. Climate change is
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Speaker 14: a smaller problem by the end of the century. So
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Speaker 14: what you're really doing is you're slightly postponing a problem
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Speaker 14: in one hundred years.
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Speaker 3: That's not terribly great.
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Speaker 14: The second part is it's not virtuous if there are
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Speaker 14: all these other things that are much more urgent that
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Speaker 14: you could do, and rich countries climate is just one
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Speaker 14: of them. Now we should fixed claim it smartly. But
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Speaker 14: right now we're just fixing it stupidly. We're spending an
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Speaker 14: enormous amount of money and doing almost no good.
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Speaker 3: So I think the reason.
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Speaker 14: Is it feels virtuos still to say it, but it's
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Speaker 14: increasingly becoming obvious to voters and to politicians that this
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Speaker 14: is not the right way to go about it.
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Speaker 9: One of the.
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Speaker 2: Challenges we've got at home now is the renewable energy
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Speaker 2: plans that the current government's putting in place, and it
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Speaker 2: is renewables only energy plans. Gas is only barely tolerated
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Speaker 2: coal they want to force out of the system. They
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Speaker 2: won't have a bar of nuclear power in Australia, despite
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Speaker 2: the fact we've got all this uranium that we're shipping
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Speaker 2: for others to use.
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Speaker 3: And with renewables obviously comes.
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Speaker 2: The challenges of decommissioning short lifespan, and they rely heavily
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Speaker 2: on subsidies, and they're intermittent and they're not the baseload
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Speaker 2: capacity that are modern industrial economy demands. People are starting
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Speaker 2: to wake up, but governments are not yet there.
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 14: I mean, everybody's been fooled by this argument that prices
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Speaker 14: of solar and wind over time have come down dramatically,
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Speaker 14: which is true.
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Speaker 3: But then they tell you solar when it's the cheapest.
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Speaker 2: Any we hear that untacked that for us, we hate
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Speaker 2: that a lot.
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Speaker 14: You hear that it's the cheapest energy ever, but only
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Speaker 14: when the sun is shining, oh the wind is blowing.
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Speaker 14: When it's not, it's the most expensive ever. Because it's
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Speaker 14: infinitely costly. And so if you actually look at, you know,
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Speaker 14: plot out, and we have lots of countries in the
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Speaker 14: world plot out how much solar when do they get
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Speaker 14: in percent of their totally electricity and what's the cost.
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Speaker 14: You would imagine from what you hear that the price
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Speaker 14: would be going down the more solin. When you get
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Speaker 14: the cheaper it becomes not at all. So we got
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Speaker 14: to face the facts. It's not cheaper. Why because when
25:45
Speaker 14: you have to pay both the green enthusiastic could come
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Speaker 14: and show us, Oh, here's one country that actually runs
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Speaker 14: just in solar when they're doing great, but they can't.
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Speaker 14: This is why we really need to realize our current
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Speaker 14: path is just not sustainable.
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Speaker 3: Don't to me that time.
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Speaker 2: Because China is not de industrializing like we are in
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Speaker 2: the West, like we are in Australia in particular, we
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Speaker 2: go down the path of renewables only power.
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Speaker 3: We are sending our heavy industry. Are sure.
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Speaker 2: China is not doing this. China is increasing its emissions.
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Speaker 14: So China uses a lot of coal. Now China is
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Speaker 14: being portrayed and I get why they want to do it.
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Speaker 14: And it's a smart move as this green new giant.
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Speaker 14: Everybody think, oh it's all green. No, it's a tiny
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Speaker 14: bit more green. And they do that because they produce
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Speaker 14: all the solar panels and the wind turbines in the
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Speaker 14: world and they ship to us, to you they sell
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Speaker 14: it to you, they sell it to us, and of
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Speaker 14: course they also sell some of it to themselves. But fundamentally,
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Speaker 14: China shows you that the world is run mostly in
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Speaker 14: fossil fuels, and remember every country around the world is
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Speaker 14: mostly fossil fuel based.
26:52
Speaker 2: We've been talking at the conference that have we reached
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Speaker 2: peak woke?
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Speaker 3: Are we coming down from peak woke? Have we reached
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Speaker 3: peak climb it now.
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Speaker 2: That these policies cooked up at the UN and elsewhere
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Speaker 2: and Davos are hitting people with ordinary incomes at home
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Speaker 2: and in terms of the car they drive and the
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Speaker 2: jobs they have.
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Speaker 3: Are we coming off peak climate?
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Speaker 9: I hope?
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Speaker 14: So you know, there is that feeling, but I've had
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Speaker 14: that feeling many times before, as I'm a little skeptical
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Speaker 14: of just giving you yeah.
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Speaker 3: Sure, we're right on the right track.
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Speaker 14: But I think the fundamental problem with climate change has
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Speaker 14: always been when you could promise, like ten years ago,
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Speaker 14: we're going to do great things, but someone else is
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Speaker 14: going to pay. Far down the line that was easy.
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Speaker 14: Now everybody has to pay, and eventually people are going
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Speaker 14: to say stop. So either smart politicians stop this now
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Speaker 14: and do smart policy, which is investing in green energy
27:44
Speaker 14: research and development to get future green energy be cheaper,
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Speaker 14: or they're going to be boosted out by another Trump.
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Speaker 14: And you know, I kind of hope that we are
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Speaker 14: smarter than that and that we can actually get our
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Speaker 14: house in order before we're going to rip up the
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Speaker 14: whole thing. But it's very unlikely that we'll keep the way.
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Speaker 9: We are.
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Speaker 3: Extraordinary isident.
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Speaker 2: Look after the break, I'm going to talking to two
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Speaker 2: political analysts from the UAE warning the West about radical Islam,
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Speaker 2: and we're to look at Donald Trump's energy secretary that again,
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Speaker 2: and also some moves in state healthcare systems to stop
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Speaker 2: people wearing.
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Speaker 3: Pro Palestinian badgers. All of that coming up. Welcome back. Well.
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Speaker 2: Here in Britain, much like in Australia, we're seeing the
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Speaker 2: rise of Muslim political movements. Four MPs were elected to
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Speaker 2: Parliament last year essentially as Gaza candidates, and as Nightel
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Speaker 2: Farage told me last night, he expects that number to
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Speaker 2: grow at the next general election, only fueling sectarian political movements.
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Speaker 3: Sava has trended his merely reflection.
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Speaker 2: Of the grown reality in Britain with the reluctance of
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Speaker 2: some Muslims to integrate into Western values and arise a
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Speaker 2: radical Islamists that's only been exacerbated by the October semi atrocities.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to political analysts visiting London from that UAE,
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Speaker 2: I'm Jataha and Obeyed al Zabi.
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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, you're both at ARC, so delighted that you
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Speaker 2: are in London at ARC and really engaging in this
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Speaker 2: debate MD. Why is it, you know, I've listened to
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Speaker 2: some of the comments you've made. Why is it that
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Speaker 2: you believe there are more radical Islamists in place like
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Speaker 2: Britain than there is in your own country?
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Speaker 15: The question is, why is it that when a Muslim
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Speaker 15: lives in Dubai's more liberal, but when a Muslim lives
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Speaker 15: in London it's more extremists. Why is it that you
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Speaker 15: have the fact that if an Orthodox Jew after the
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Speaker 15: seventh of October still wanted to walk in the street
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Speaker 15: of Dubai Abu Dhabi anywhere in the UE after the
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Speaker 15: seventh of October, he actually identified himself as a as
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Speaker 15: a Jew and where is his skip or Orthodox identity?
30:03
Speaker 15: Yet he cannot do that in various areas in in Birmingham,
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Speaker 15: for example, in Small Heath in the spot brook In
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Speaker 15: in in in various areas in the UK, this should
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Speaker 15: be questioned. It's not a matter of freedom of speech.
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Speaker 15: Is the fact that people in Britain have reached a
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Speaker 15: moment where they cannot express their perspective, their opinion at
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Speaker 15: any stage, at any point in the name of the
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Speaker 15: fact that they censor them under the umbrella of Islamophobia.
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Speaker 15: But it's on that terminology has been used to prevent
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Speaker 15: any person speaking about the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim brotherhood
30:46
Speaker 15: or the armed forces. The armed forces of Muslim Brotherhood
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Speaker 15: is Hamas and we saw a hamass carried in terms
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Speaker 15: of terrorism and so on. So yes, the if if
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Speaker 15: all the way in Gaza, the humanity still has some
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Speaker 15: hostages there, all the way in London you have various generations,
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Speaker 15: a new generation who are hostages of that propaganda of
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Speaker 15: Hamas propaganda, the Moslim brotherhoods propaganda. It's quite dangerous, it's
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Speaker 15: and devastating and it's quite dark time. I mean to
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Speaker 15: the point when you speak to a British person at
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Speaker 15: this stage, at this point, they always look at yesterday
31:28
Speaker 15: and they don't tell you about tomorrow. They're scared of tomorrow.
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Speaker 15: That when they want to look into the light. They
31:34
Speaker 15: look at yesterday, not today. And this is a Britain
31:38
Speaker 15: where Britain message was always tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, President Trump said that that the region
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Speaker 2: needs to take more people out of Gaza. But you know,
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Speaker 2: we notice around the world that most of the region
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Speaker 2: do not want Gaza refugees.
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Speaker 3: Why is that.
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Speaker 16: Well, if you want to understand Trump's plan for the least,
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Speaker 16: you have to look at it as a real estate plan.
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Speaker 16: You have to understand that he's an expert in that
32:05
Speaker 16: field and he understands that what needs to happen is
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Speaker 16: a lot of reconstruction development. And it is different groups
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Speaker 16: in the Middle East that don't have an interest to
32:16
Speaker 16: go forward with that plan and they're simply blocking it.
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Speaker 16: But I think with his approach, he's going to put
32:23
Speaker 16: more pressure on different groups and there will be a
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Speaker 16: resolution and there will be a plan to redevelop the region.
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Speaker 16: I don't think he's said at any point that he
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Speaker 16: will remove them permanently, but just to create an opportunity
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Speaker 16: for them to go and a space for people to
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Speaker 16: come in and redevelop the area.
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Speaker 15: I don't think also anybody of us is against it's
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Speaker 15: against the fact that creating a better condition for the
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Speaker 15: Gaza people. We all stand with the right of people,
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Speaker 15: the freedom of movement, the freedom of speech should be
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Speaker 15: always everywhere available, including the guards on people. If the
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Speaker 15: guards on people want to stay, they have all the
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Speaker 15: freedom to say and if they want to travel outside
33:08
Speaker 15: for a period of time, they can do so. That
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Speaker 15: was the case for the Syrian that was the case
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Speaker 15: for the Lebanese. Lebanese people when they had to travel
33:16
Speaker 15: and then come back when the country was built, and
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Speaker 15: it's the same case for the Syrian eight million Syrians.
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Speaker 15: They left the country because there was a genocyte happened
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Speaker 15: in there. Yes, so leaving can be for a reason
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Speaker 15: and then coming back it's also just to be rebuilt.
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Speaker 2: I asked a question because in Australia we've taken three
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Speaker 2: thousand people from Gaza with very little security checks. Your
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Speaker 2: point that there are more radical Islamus in Britain stands
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Speaker 2: true for Australia. Should we be concerned about not security
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Speaker 2: checking these people?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 15: The security check is very essential and important because they
33:56
Speaker 15: come from an area is quite to radicalize. You're either
33:59
Speaker 15: under that you had Islamic you had which is is
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Speaker 15: a proxy of Iran in Gaza all you're on theer Hamas.
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Speaker 15: Both of them are anti Semite, anti anti Christian, anti An, yes,
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Speaker 15: and they being quite radicalized at the early age. Absolutely,
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Speaker 15: when when you look at the educational curriculum in Gaza
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Speaker 15: on the West Bank, it teaches you hate and killing
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Speaker 15: the others. These people when they come to your country,
34:25
Speaker 15: they are a tool away from carrying the crime against
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Speaker 15: any of your children, or any of your people, or
34:32
Speaker 15: any of your markets. So it's quite dangerous to not
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Speaker 15: do any security check. All countries, Arab countries they do
34:38
Speaker 15: security check on everybody. All the Muslim countries they do
34:41
Speaker 15: security check. And that's your right if you care about
34:44
Speaker 15: the future generation of yours. But the fact that you
34:46
Speaker 15: just bring anybody into your home shouldn't be I mean,
34:51
Speaker 15: would you allow a stranger to come into your house
34:54
Speaker 15: sit with your babies. No, it's the right of yours
34:57
Speaker 15: to protect your children and not to bring any criminal
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Speaker 15: anybody into your home. It doesn't mean you're against the humanity.
35:04
Speaker 15: In fact, it means you're protecting humanity when you do
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Speaker 15: the security check.
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Speaker 2: Just a quick point because I know you're paying to
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Speaker 2: Australia and you saw we were talking in the bread.
35:13
Speaker 2: You saw what happened on the steps of the Opera House,
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Speaker 2: just within twenty four hours of October seven. What was
35:21
Speaker 2: your reaction to those pro Palestinian mobs was shameful.
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Speaker 15: And one thing I can say, that's a praise of civilization.
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Speaker 15: Some of them escape all the way from the Middle East,
35:33
Speaker 15: in various areas in the Middle East where the Islamists
35:36
Speaker 15: were prosecuting their country. Australia provide them with the right
35:41
Speaker 15: to leave in Australia and citizenship, and in response, you
35:47
Speaker 15: celebrate the new Holocaust, new form of Holocaust. The seventh
35:51
Speaker 15: of October was a test to humanity. And the seventh
35:54
Speaker 15: of October, just like the Holocaust, people denied it, people
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Speaker 15: celebrated it, and there are some people who participated in it.
36:05
Speaker 15: Southern Victober happens. There were some people in the opera
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Speaker 15: house all the way in Australia, instead of caring about
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Speaker 15: their own people and Australia and the country and the future,
36:15
Speaker 15: they were celebrating halas, murdering babies, kidnapping the eight month
36:19
Speaker 15: years old baby. There's no cause can justify kidnapping baby Kafe, No.
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Speaker 3: There is it?
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Speaker 2: Is it gentlemen, thank you, thank you for the honesty
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Speaker 2: and for coming here today. That's it for me for
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Speaker 2: a moment. I'll be back a bit later on. Here
36:33
Speaker 2: is Steve Price in Melbourne.
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Speaker 11: Good on you, Peter, thank you. Speaking of anti Semitism,
36:39
Speaker 11: like Peter was just talking about there in Victoria, the
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Speaker 11: health minister there has been forced, can you believe this,
36:45
Speaker 11: to order healthcare staff to remove any political symbols from
36:49
Speaker 11: their clothing. The Herald Sun revealed today some staff had
36:52
Speaker 11: been wearing pro Palestinian badgers, putting up anti Israeli stickers
36:55
Speaker 11: on hospital walls.
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Speaker 9: News Coup.
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Speaker 11: Senior journalist Patrick Carline joins us. Patrick, great story in
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Speaker 11: the Herald Sun today. But you know, you and I
37:03
Speaker 11: both know the Alfred Hospital. We've both been there, either
37:06
Speaker 11: to visit people or be treated. How can this be happening?
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Speaker 17: Look, it's unbelievable. We're in twenty twenty five, Stude. This
37:15
Speaker 17: has been happening since since October twenty three. We've seen
37:19
Speaker 17: really hateful shows of anti Semitism at hospitals. You've had
37:23
Speaker 17: Jewish doctors and the Jewish medical fraternity reporting this since
37:27
Speaker 17: October twenty twenty three, and nothing's happened it's like the universities.
37:33
Speaker 17: It's the lack of leadership. I mean, Australia really has
37:36
Speaker 17: lost its way when it's come to this, and the
37:40
Speaker 17: fact that now the Health Minister is coming out and saying, well,
37:44
Speaker 17: this is not going to be tolerated. I mean the
37:46
Speaker 17: horse bolted in October twenty twenty three. It's far too late,
37:50
Speaker 17: and it really is a lack of leadership across the board.
37:54
Speaker 11: And it comes, you know, just a couple of days
37:56
Speaker 11: or a week or so after those two Sydney nerve
37:59
Speaker 11: nurses in that social media interview with the Israeli where
38:02
Speaker 11: they're talking about, you know, if a Jew comes into
38:06
Speaker 11: our hospital here in Sydney, you know they're likely.
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Speaker 9: To be killed.
38:09
Speaker 11: I mean, if you're a Jewish person sitting in reception
38:12
Speaker 11: at the Alfred Hospital tonight, you're about to go under
38:15
Speaker 11: and have an operation and you're walking past anti Israeli
38:19
Speaker 11: stickers and seeing people wandering around the hospital doing kefe is,
38:22
Speaker 11: You're not going to be very relaxed, are you.
38:26
Speaker 9: Oh Look, it's horrible.
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Speaker 17: I mean you're at your most vulnerable moment when you're
38:29
Speaker 17: in a hospital, and this is a whole section of
38:32
Speaker 17: our society which has been feeling threatened for what sixteen
38:36
Speaker 17: months now. They've been talking about it, they've been reporting it,
38:39
Speaker 17: and we're still at this place now in February twenty
38:44
Speaker 17: twenty five where it's sort of finally being officially addressed
38:48
Speaker 17: in a very sort of nearly mouthed sort of way.
38:50
Speaker 17: And we've seen that all the way through and we
38:52
Speaker 17: really are suffering for that now, especially in the Jewish community.
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Speaker 9: You just got to wonder why it's.
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Speaker 11: Got inside the health system, both in Sydney and in Victoria,
39:04
Speaker 11: about and why people would think you could turn up
39:08
Speaker 11: at work wearing a badge that is clearly anti Semitic.
39:11
Speaker 11: I mean, I just don't get understand the mindset behind that.
39:17
Speaker 17: Look, doctors are intelligent people, I mean, that's what sort
39:20
Speaker 17: of scares me, and soone nurses as well. They're supposed
39:23
Speaker 17: to be enlightened. They're supposed to help anyone who needs
39:26
Speaker 17: their help. And the fact that this hateful ideology sort
39:29
Speaker 17: of comes superseds if.
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Speaker 9: You like what they do for their day jobs.
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Speaker 17: I find remarkable that that's happening in Australia and in
39:37
Speaker 17: Victoria today.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I saw some of those stickers on electricity Poles
39:44
Speaker 11: in the suburb Io Libin. It's just crazy. Great to
39:47
Speaker 11: catch up with you, Patrick, Thank you very much. Make
39:49
Speaker 11: let's turned on a turn to energy now done, Donald
39:51
Speaker 11: Trump's new energy secretary and Peter mentioned this earlier in
39:54
Speaker 11: the program, but no, Chris Wright has backed the idea
39:57
Speaker 11: of Australia pursuing nuclear now. This was doing a remote
40:02
Speaker 11: address to the Art conference in London where Peter is
40:05
Speaker 11: joining me now to discuss this environment at Australian Graham Lloyd, Well,
40:09
Speaker 11: what's Anthony Albanezi and Chris Bowen going to do now?
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Speaker 10: Well, well, good evening, Steve.
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Speaker 18: It was a very interesting observation by the US Energy minister.
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Speaker 18: And it's well known that Donald Trump favors a return
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Speaker 18: to oil and gas and fossil fuels for the bedrock
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Speaker 18: of the economy there. But what the latest comments say is, look,
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Speaker 18: societies are being sold a false promise, that they're being
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Speaker 18: told that they will absorb this pain and it will
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Speaker 18: somehow lead to a change in the weather or a
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Speaker 18: better future for the planet. And he's saying that the
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Speaker 18: evidence on that transition is that it's falsified, the cost
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Speaker 18: is higher than expected, and cure is possibly worse than
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Speaker 18: the disease. This is a debate that is probably going
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Speaker 18: to grow in currency as the costs continue to increase.
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Speaker 18: It was interesting to see Born Longbourg his comments earlier
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Speaker 18: in the program that look, this is an issue for
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Speaker 18: later in the century. It's not something that can be ignored.
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Speaker 18: But the solution is to invest in technologies that will
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Speaker 18: get you there in a credible fashion. The US is
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Speaker 18: saying this is a high cost transition that's going nowhere,
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Speaker 18: and it's leading to distortions in economies and people probably
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Speaker 18: won't put up with it forever.
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Speaker 11: It punches a hell of a hole in the plans
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Speaker 11: of Crispohn and Anthony Albanesi and the entire government and
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Speaker 11: the Greens Party in Australia as we go towards this election.
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Speaker 11: I mean, you know this new Secretary of Energy describe
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Speaker 11: the net zero aims of twenty to fifty as quote
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Speaker 11: a sinister goal. I mean, really, he's not holding back,
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Speaker 11: and we've lost now a major partner in what everybody
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Speaker 11: thought was this push for new energy to take over
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Speaker 11: the whole of the energy system in Australia. I mean,
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Speaker 11: what do they get, How are they going to get
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Speaker 11: out and dig out themselves out.
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Speaker 9: From this whole.
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Speaker 18: It's certainly very interesting that there's been a persuasive argument
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Speaker 18: right from the start that Australia is a relatively small
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Speaker 18: player in a global sense, and we should calibrate anything
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Speaker 18: we do to what is happening in other parts of
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Speaker 18: the world, with the US out, with China still pushing ahead,
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Speaker 18: with fossil fuels, Europe starting to shudder, we need to
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Speaker 18: really consider what contribution Australia can afford to make economically
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Speaker 18: given what's being.
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Speaker 10: Done in other parts of the world.
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Speaker 18: And that is an equation that is changing, and it's
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Speaker 18: changed quite substantially even in the past three years.
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Speaker 11: And we today have another collapse in the green hydrogen
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Speaker 11: dream with Whyalla the steel plant being put into administration.
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Speaker 9: Grown.
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Speaker 18: Yes, look, there are people who have said for a
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Speaker 18: long time that the Gupta Empire has been one big
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Speaker 18: boondoggle where he's stitching together subpar assets and rebadging them
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Speaker 18: as green utopias and saying this is going to manufacture
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Speaker 18: the future. The Australian government isn't the only one that's
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Speaker 18: been sucked in by this and put a whole load
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Speaker 18: of money towards it.
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Speaker 10: Now the government's left holding the baby.
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Speaker 18: It's a dream with the hydrogen that seems to be
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Speaker 18: very challenged in scientific sense.
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Speaker 10: So I reckon trying to preserve Still.
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Speaker 11: I reckon, Graham, it's it's going to turn into a
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Speaker 11: green nightmare. That is, we're going to turn into Thank
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Speaker 11: you Graham all it's credit to catch up with you.
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Speaker 9: After the break, Peter will be back.
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Speaker 11: She'll be joined by our favorite regular, Kel Richards. We
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Speaker 11: have plenty of words to get through tonight.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, joining me as he does every Wednesday, one
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Speaker 2: of our favorites word Smith broadcast act Kel Richards. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'm in one of your favorite city, is Kel, and
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Speaker 2: I thought I might have a kickoff at least with
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Speaker 2: a local flavor. We talk about Westminster government all the time.
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Speaker 2: We talk about just even Westminster as shorthand what's the
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Speaker 2: words origins.
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Speaker 19: Well, the second part of it, Minster is a very
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Speaker 19: old word dinner for more than one thousand years. So
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Speaker 19: I comes from a Germanic source, and Minster means a
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Speaker 19: church which belongs to a monastery. And in fact the
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Speaker 19: Germanic source is obvious because the German name Munster is
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Speaker 19: actually the same word as our word Minster. And you
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Speaker 19: can see both of them connected to monastery, so that's
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Speaker 19: where it comes from. The name Westminster was applied to
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Speaker 19: a place which was west of the old Roman city
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Speaker 19: of London, around what is now sort of Oxford Street,
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Speaker 19: I suppose, and the names recorded from seven thirty five AD,
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Speaker 19: so a long time ago, and back in those days
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Speaker 19: seven thirty five it was described as being a challenging environment,
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Speaker 19: mainly swamp inhabited by Benedictine monks. But then from about
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Speaker 19: twelve hundred what you know, the Westminster, the Minster west
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Speaker 19: of the city became the home of the English government
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Speaker 19: and has been so ever since. There was an Eastminster
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Speaker 19: east of the city of London, in what is now
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Speaker 19: the East End, and that was there until about the Reformation.
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Speaker 2: Well, some people would say in and around at least
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Speaker 2: a bureaucracy, it's still a swamp.
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Speaker 3: Will leave that there.
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Speaker 2: Susan, one of our viewers wants to know about the
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Speaker 2: term soft power and also the corollary of hard power.
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Speaker 3: We never talk about hard power.
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Speaker 19: Soft power okay, both fairly recent. Soft power from nineteen
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Speaker 19: eighty five, and it means exercising power through either economic
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Speaker 19: power or cultural power, that kind of thing, and hard power,
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Speaker 19: but not by military force. That's the idea behind soft power,
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Speaker 19: something other than military force. Hard power a little later
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Speaker 19: nineteen ninety, and that means going in with all guns blazing.
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Speaker 9: Literally.
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Speaker 2: Paul wants to know where the term grifter comes from.
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Speaker 19: Grifter means someone who makes money illegally, and it's been
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Speaker 19: around since about nineteen fourteen. Is American slang, and it
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Speaker 19: seems to come from the wordt and dishonored, which is
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Speaker 19: also a dishonest way of getting MONEYT is paying film
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Speaker 19: bribes and getting money dishonestly. That comes from the very
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Speaker 19: old word fourteenth century, which meant attaching a tree, grafting
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Speaker 19: a branch into a tree, and theft that was put
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Speaker 19: into the tree lived on the sap of the tree,
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Speaker 19: which is why we come to talk about being living
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Speaker 19: off other people. And the grift is what the grifter does.
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Speaker 19: He lives off the life of other people. All of
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Speaker 19: that from the old idea of grafting something into a tree.
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Speaker 3: Hither what I use all the time?
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Speaker 2: Geez, there a gas bag, gas bag, gas bagging?
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Speaker 3: Where's this one come from?
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Speaker 19: It's American, it's fairly old, eighten forty one. I would
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Speaker 19: would have thought it was. It was younger than that,
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Speaker 19: but eighten forty one. Originally it just meant a container
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Speaker 19: or a bag containing gas, possibly for inflating balloons, that
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Speaker 19: kind of thing. And the metaphor is just not complicated.
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Speaker 19: It means talking at length but saying nothing of value.
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Speaker 19: So it's if you're if you accuse someone of being
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Speaker 19: a gas bag, you're saying you're a bag containing nothing
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Speaker 19: but lighter than air gas.
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Speaker 3: What about cut the must here? We got time for
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Speaker 3: that one, we have.
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Speaker 9: We can do it quickly. Cut the mustard.
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Speaker 19: It means coming up to standard, being good enough, and
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Speaker 19: it appears to come from the idea that you need
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Speaker 19: to be tall enough to cut the mustard. I've got
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Speaker 19: a wonderful quote I've got to read you here from
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Speaker 19: the San Francisco Examiner from eighteen forty four. Quote, it
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Speaker 19: is difficult to find men tall enough to see the mustard.
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Speaker 19: So it's at interesting. I didn't know that was the case.
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Speaker 19: So there you are, cutting the mustard.
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Speaker 3: Terrific. Thank you, kel as always. See you next week.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow night, I'm going to interview for you bring to
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Speaker 2: air one of my heroes, Iron Hirsty Ally, very brave
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Speaker 2: former Islamic author obviously now long away from that faith
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Speaker 2: in speaking truth about radical Islam. But that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt updexed