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Football at Four: Updating Eagles Secondary Situation and More · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: And Football at Forest powered by the Inside of the
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Birds podcast is brought to you by Bett three sixty five.
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Whatever the sport, whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at
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BET three six five. Jeff Moocher in for Adam Kaplan today.
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Most was over at Eagles training camp and we talked
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about it earlier with Kean Myers on The Sports Best.
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Eagles made a trade, Thomas Booker heads to Vegas. Jaquorian
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Bennett is coming to Philadelphia. How does he fit in
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to this Philadelphia Eagles defense that will be first and
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formers foremost. Plus, you heard from Nick Sirianni about a
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half an hour ago. We had the press conference for
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you live right here on ninety seven three ESPN, so
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we'll get some takeaways from that and everything happening as
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the Eagles get ready to take on the Cincinnati Bengals,
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who Jeff Moscher tweeted subtweeted a little while ago from
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Ann Rappaport. Looks like the Bengals are going to play
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their actual big name players on Thursday Night for several series,
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So that's good news to hear. The Eagles will get
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to see Joe Burrow and some other players there. But
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first Jeff Mosher a trade last night Howie Roseman saw
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all the fireworks going off at Citizens Bank Park, he
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had to get involved and made a trade. On the surface,
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he's Hee Thomas Booker, the fourth kind of a rotational,
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low level, rotational player. Not a lot of snaps, not
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a lot of impact, which I like Booker. I thought
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he should have got more of a shot here. A
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little surprised that he wasn't more in the mix. But
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for whatever reason, he's traded out to Vegas Jaquarian Bennett
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in return. Now, some people might say, Okay, this is
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just swapping too low bottom of the roster guys, But
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not so fast. Q Myers was on with us earlier
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from Raider Nation Radio. He loves Bennett. He thinks Bennett's
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a starting player and you know, perplexed at the Raiders.
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Now he knows why because he doesn't fit into Pete
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Carroll's system. But do you look at this trade as
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adding a guy that could compete for a starting job.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, I mean he can compete for a starting job.
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There's plenty left in camp. He's a guy that profiles
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really will athletically, even though he's a little undersized. Think
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he's I've nine ten, So he'll get into the mix,
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he'll practice, he'll work. This is the case where so
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the Raiders have a new coaching staff, Pete Carroll. We
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always know when when Pete Carroll's coach to the team,
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he likes certain kind of specificities for foreigners. You remember
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the Legion of Boom. They had tall, physical foreigners, Brandon
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Browner did Byron Maxwell, Richard Shermam. And this is the
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case where Gjakorean, as I was told, for some people,
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I know new organizations just wasn't necessarily a fit for them.
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But you know, they had that ordeal with Christian Wilkins,
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that defensive tackle that they parted ways with, and they
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needed some defensive line depth. And Booker can go there
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and get more time, get more snaps, definitely get a
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lot more time than he would have gotten here with
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the Eagles, because yes, even though he would have made
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the team, and I heard you say, Mike, they could
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have played him more. I mean, it's it's really tough
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when you've got Jalen Carter, Moro, Jomo Jordan Davis. That's
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two first round picks and then a guy who's playing
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really well and it's going to start, especially in their
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five man front and their four man pass rush most likely.
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And then behind that you have a guy in Gabe
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Hall in year two at a Baylor who's a really
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good athlete and starting to really put it together here
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in camp. So there just wasn't that much opportunity for
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a guy like Bookford to really assert himself. I think
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he played less than eighteen percent of the snatch last year.
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Probably was going to be that or fewer unless there
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were injuries. And now you got a corner in Clease
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and Pete with a Dori Jacks and with Killy Ringo
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obviously to try to be a starter.
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Speaker 1: Well, and yesterday Vic Fangio Jeff we talked a little
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bit about it, you know, he asked, was asked about
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the competition at that spot Ringo and a Doorri Jackson says,
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it's close, but is it close enough where he was
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maybe keeping an eye on somebody else the factor in here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know he was keeping an eye on
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somebody else. I mean, I think it's a case where
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they want to add more competition. They know that it's
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an unsettled spot.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that's going to be very interesting
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about the sketchgic coorianvented is that he has very little
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special teams background. I think if you go look at
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his special team stamps over to the two years, it's scant,
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to say the least. And usually if you're not a
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starting foreigner, if you're a backup corner, you've got to
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be able to play special teams. Kealey Ringo was one
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of the better special teams players on the team and
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in the league last year. So the question is what
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do you do with your Corey eventet if he winds
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up not making it as a starter with his lack
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of special teams experience.
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Speaker 1: Well, was he kind of a replacement? All? Is he
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kind of a replacement for Isaiah Rogers? I mean, is
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that a guy that you can kind of say, hey,
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there's a lot of similarities possibly there.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean he's got good athleticism that really jumps out.
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We'll have to see it in camp. He has to
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learn the defense. That's not going to be easy because
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Vick's defense, especially with how he deploys his corners in
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pattern matching or his own matching, is not simple. So
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I think that we're just I don't want to say
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we're far. I mean, this guy's gonna get a lot
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of ref it's gonna play in preseason games and we'll see.
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But I don't know that this necessarily moves the needle
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that much yet in this competition. And I guess what
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I would add to that is, if they're really not
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happy with their quarnerback picture between a Tory Jackson and
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Chiley Ringo at the end of the camp, it wouldn't
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surprise me of how he made a move to bring
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in sort of a more established corner for this deaf Then.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Bosher football at four Eagles training camp continues obviously
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getting ready for Thursday night against the Bengals. So they're
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ramping things up here. One of the things they lose,
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I'll say they lose they decide to trade Booker. He
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was not part of the rotation. So what's kind of
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left over? You mentioned Ojobo, Gabe Hall, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis.
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It seems like they're pretty set at that spot now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, they've kept a lot before.
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I probably don't need to keep more than five or six.
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But yeah, between Carter Davis, A Jomo and Tyra Robinson,
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of course, is gonna factor into the equation. He's a
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rookie they drafted in the fourth round. He's swimming a
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little bit right now, but I'm sure by the end
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of camp you'll see more. So that's four, Gabe haul five,
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and then there's a shot that by were and young.
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He's dealing with a little injury right now, but he's
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a potential guy at six. So you don't have to
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keep sixty ts. The Eagles have done that before. In fact,
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I think two years ago they kept seven, right if
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I'm not mistaken. Then they wound up trading one of
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them I can't remember his name right now to the
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Falcons in the middle of the year. But so they
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do like to go heavy at that position, but you
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still have enough bodies and young developmental guys here to
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do that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Booker obviously heads out to Vegas and I actually
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I think you're talking about Contavious Street, by the way,
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who was traded to the Falcons. I think Booker was
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a guy that you're right, just kind of got in
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a number shuffle. What you saw from him. He flashed
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at times last year, just couldn't get on the field.
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So Bennett in Philly Booker in Vegas. We'll see how
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that works out. The defensive tackle position a deep one
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for Philadelphia. And then as you talk about that corner room,
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you got Eli Rix Ringo because a couple of years
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ago you had all these young corners Josh Joel, we
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kept hearing about Ringo and Rix kind of remain So
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we'll see how that position shakes out. Do we think
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it will shake out starting Thursday night?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. You know I think that this is
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not gonna be like last year's preseason where no starters played.
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I mean it's because we don't know who starters are yet.
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Man to see me Scangelo has to figure that out.
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So he needs to see Killy Ringo compete. He needs
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to see like Jeremiah Trotter Junior get some snaps. I
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would imagine. He needs to see the young safety Sydney
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Brown mccuba, who was able to do some practicing today
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as he's coming back from that shoulder injury. He needs
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to see these guys play, and some of these guys
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could be starters.
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Speaker 1: Most good, right, it's good. It's good.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna see Burrow and Higgins, I guess, and Tamar
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Chase out there because that you're getting legit competition for them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Well, and I want to get your
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take on I know, today mccooba on the field, he
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probably won't play on Thursday night, but more snaps for
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Cooper Dejene at safety. I mean we started to get
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a feel that this could be a potential, a real
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potential that he could get some legit snaps at safety.
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Or is this just like, hey, he'll be base defense only,
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maybe five to ten snaps a game in that spot.
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Speaker 2: Probably base defense only. But I will say this, I
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think as they're starting to ramp him up just to
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see what they got today. There were times in seven
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on sevens and I think even in Levens where the
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offense was in a nickel three wide receiver deployment, and
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yet you would see the Eagles in a base defense
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with Cooper to Gene at safety. So I kept saying,
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why would you want to counter a three wide formation
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with your base defense? Is that just to get Dejene
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some looks there? I mean, obviously you're not at an
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advantageous point, but maybe that's what they were doing, or
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maybe they just, you know, sometimes Johnny Wilson is one
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of those receivers, and he's kind of like a big,
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sort of extra tight end, so it looks like twelve personnel.
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But either way, the point I'm trying to make is
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that de Jene was out there in their base defense,
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but against some Nickel looks offensively, So I thought that
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was kind of interesting.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go through some of you guys talked
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about it on the Inside of the Birds podcast, which
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you can get on all podcasting platforms just search Inside
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the Birds, Jeff. Let's go through some of the battles
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getting ready for Thursday night. It sounded today from Nick Sirianni.
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He didn't say Tyler Steen, but it sounded like he
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got a pretty good vote of confidence there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the vote of confidence is that Tyler Steen
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has taken all the right card t reps since OTA's began,
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and even here in training camp, he's really not being
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pushed for the job. And if you were, I mean,
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if you want to take it a step further, I
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don't think Kenyan Green is really, you know, quitting himself
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really well here training camp. So Matt, prior to me,
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would be.
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Speaker 1: The Kenny on Green's over Kenyon Green seemingly is over
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to left guard at this point.
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Speaker 2: It seems like, right, yeah, yeah, he's practicing the left
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guard buddy struggle a little bit. In the one on
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one yesterday he had got sick on the field. Though
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it just hasn't been I think some people expected it
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would be just another reclamation projects that one miracle which
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you know I pointed out to other guys in the past,
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like a Chance Warmack. It's not like an automatic that
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somebody's someone's gonna come here and just be an all
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pro or provo caliber lineman because they're coached by Jeff Stellin,
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and this seems to be the case.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's look at Ojomo. Looks like he's the
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definite guy who's going to get the Milton Williams snaps.
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Who gets the Ojomo snaps from last year?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that that'll be determined. I think,
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you know, once Ty Robinson gets his feet under him
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as a rookie, he's going to get in there and
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get some time. And of course I mentioned Gabe Hall.
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I think Gave Hall's had a really nice camp. Really
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interested to see how he does in the preseason because
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I think he's a guy who the athleticism is not
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the question that really translates. Well, he was a tree,
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he should have been drafted. There obviously were some knocks
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on him coming outaler people told me they felt he
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just needed some good coaching and you know, maybe there's
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somebody that I kind of get into him and wake
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them up a little bit and then maybe that's happened here.
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So if and if that does, you got a pretty
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disruptive three technique type tackle who can probably play multiple
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spots on the line. So if you're an Eagles fan,
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you're watching these games the next three weeks looking for
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something to keep your eye on. That's one of the
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guys you have to have.
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Speaker 1: Circle uh the others even to keep an eye on
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Josh use Oz's Ozlari. Will they play in these games?
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And can they factor in?
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Speaker 2: And I think they should and back her into what
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the equations for the season.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they have some sort of rotation or role
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or is this just basically Jaylen Spunt's going to get
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the Josh sweat amount of snaps.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't think that that's something they
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can rely on. I mean, I I'm not pushing any
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paddic buttons Mike, it's a little early, but in fairness,
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this is the time last year where we're like, hey,
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you know, Bryce Souff's kind of invisible, and I would
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say a worry to me has been one of him employees.
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You just haven't seen that really good edge rush from
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this team outside of some flashes from Uch. So it's
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good for ut that he's sort of resurrecting his career
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or on the way to doing that. But overall, the
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pass rush to me right now is a little bit
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behind where we've seen it in the past, and that
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makes a lot of sense given the youth, the inexperience
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that we've talked about all off season.
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Speaker 1: A couple others real quick with Jeff Boscher for Football
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at four here getting ready for the first preseason game,
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and obviously linebacker. Yesterday Jeremiah Trotter Junior was listed there
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as the starter Jahad Campbell. Do you anticipate he plays
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Thursday night? Probably not right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure about that, only because although he's
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not been limited at all, that's a tough one. Sometimes
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I have a good feel for whether a guy is
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gonna play or not play. He's certainly someone that needs
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a reps, but obviously they don't want to get him hurt.
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I you know what, I think he's gonna wind up playing.
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It may not be a lot, but I think he's
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gonna wind up getting some reps.
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Speaker 1: Do you look at him as more linebacker edge rusher?
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They're gonna get both out of it. How's that gonna work?
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Speaker 2: I mean, right now, it's linebacker. And you know, that's
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something that I sort of got puzzled around the draft
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time when they drafted him, and it seemed like certain
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reporters or something in the feel the vibe out of
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the media was like, forget the fact that this guy
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played inside linebacker. He can rushed the edge and they
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can rush the edge, and that's all you need to know.
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And I couldn't figure out why someone would have that
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sentiment because I knew he was gonna start off at
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inside linebacker and that's the position he was playing last
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at Alabama. It is definitely a perk and a benefit
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and a bonus that he can move to the edge
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and rush from the edge, but Dick can't. Just so
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the other day, you know, it's not like you know,
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he's got a system, he's you don't just get to
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rush the passer. You play a lot of line games
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in his defense. If you lot of dropping, you have
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to have discipline when you're facing quarterbacks and get out
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of the pocket. It's not just get to the edges
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and rush the passer in his system. And right now
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he's just not getting a ton of reps at that
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and learning that part of the defense because he's playing
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so much inside linebacker so well, the idea of him
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is that edge rusher is it's there. I'm not saying
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it's not a thing. It certainly is. And that's a
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big part of why the Eagles drafted him in the
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first round to eventually be but with the Kobe Dan out,
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they need him an inside linebacker. That's his more natural position,
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and that's what he's playing mostly right now.
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Speaker 1: All right, mos Aj Dillon, will Shipley, No Shipley caught
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you know, wow, a running back caught a touchdown of
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the backfield on Sunday. So Dylan and Shipley, yes, do
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they have bigger roles than the backup running back had
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last year?
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Speaker 2: Was it with you that I said last Like, sometimes
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I forget who I say these things with. But you know,
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Mike Tyson's famous for saying everybody's got a plan until
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they get punched in the mouth. Right, So I'm sure
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the Eagles have a grand plan to try to get
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the ball more to Will Shipley and a Dylan. But
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what happens when like they started off last year, when
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you need to give the ball to sake one barking,
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guess what you're giving the ball to Saquon Barkley, And
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two you're in sa kind of position to be able
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to spread out the carries and the workload more. Right,
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we've seen that if the offense is going to struggle,
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gets who the ball is going to go to.
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Speaker 1: And Saikwad looks pretty good too, right, I mean it's
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not like other Yeah, yeah, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's cut a nice little wheel today for
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I think for a touchdown too. So ah, he's always
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looked goodell.
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Speaker 1: New layer to the offense.
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Speaker 2: The wheel it might have been, it might have been
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more like a slant or a Texas rout. I just
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know that he got matched up, got a got behind
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Shodder Junior, who's had a really nice campus is just
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one play in the red zone, caught a touchdown and
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you know that was good to say.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Boscher from the Inside of the Birds podcast, Football
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four pitch hitting for Adam Kaplan today and of course
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the Eagles are back on the field Thursday night and
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you can listen to all the action right here on
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ninety seven to three ESPN. All right, most great job
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in the pitch hitting role there. You're a real uh well,
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not Max nefflicker, not Max how a master. You would
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be into the night, into the night. Alright, man, see you,
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all right, Jeff Boscher, Everybody, Sports Past Live, ninety seven
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three ESPN,