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Recapping Gervonta Davis vs Lamont Roach Drama! Rematch Next!? Russell vs Puello Rematch & More! · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what a boxing fans. This is the rope Endope
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  Speaker 1: Radio podcast. I'm your host, Chris Carlson. We are live
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  Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night. I hope everybody's doing okay, man,
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: do we have some things to talk about on the
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  Speaker 1: show tonight? Lamont Roach. I tried to say, Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't call for the upset. Okay, I didn't put money
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  Speaker 1: on the draw. Should have? Should have? I did not
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  Speaker 1: do that, but I did say multiple times that Lamont
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Roach is being undervalued in this fight. Now, did I
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  Speaker 1: think it was gonna be a draw or seven of five? Guy? No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. Did I think it'd be competitive for the
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  Speaker 1: first six rounds and then you know, Tank takes over. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that that's what I kind of thought and kind of flipped. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: Tank did pretty good early, well not that early. It
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  Speaker 1: took a while to warm up anyway. But yeah, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a knockdown that was in the process of
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  Speaker 1: being counted, that stop the count, and then it was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah, we're wondering what you're doing, referee.
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  Speaker 1: Why haven't you counted to eight? Sir? You were already counting.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know why that would change it. In the commission.
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  Speaker 1: We've heard a variety of things. We've heard, you know,
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  Speaker 1: technical issues with the video and you only have a
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  Speaker 1: certain amount of time to check the replay. When you
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  Speaker 1: have replay right and you have something like that, that's
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  Speaker 1: just easy, that's simple. But it's been all over the place,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's been really all over the place. Now
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  Speaker 1: are they going to go in there and change the scorecards?
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  Speaker 1: That would be a surprise to me. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a PD thing. This is not a cocan cocaine, This
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  Speaker 1: is not a coke meth. You want to say, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't this isn't that. So we'll see how this goes.
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  Speaker 1: I just hope there's a rematch. That's really all I hope.
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  Speaker 1: Gervante kind of sounded like he was gonna fight Jake
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  Speaker 1: Ball there for a second. Next maybe he was gonna
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: take that Netflix date. You know, Cruz was there and
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  Speaker 1: he did go. I think he went into Gervante's locker room.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, we're gonna talk about the whole card.
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  Speaker 1: The Sandor Martin and Alberto Playu actually started out a
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  Speaker 1: lot better than I thought, and overall it was it
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  Speaker 1: was pretty it was good. It was good. It was competitive,
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  Speaker 1: but it was it was good. It wasn't there. It's
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  Speaker 1: funny because it started out really well, kind of got
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  Speaker 1: that in between in the middle where it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, eh, not so much, and then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden it got better. So yeah, it was it
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  Speaker 1: was good. It was good. Anyway, we're gonna get into
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  Speaker 1: it and we're gonna talk a little bit about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the league potentially thing that we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the tournament, the WBC tournament. So yeah, we're gonna talk about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some current fight news and whatnot. They did
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  Speaker 1: have a presser in New York City today for that
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  Speaker 1: event with you know, Ryan Garcia Devin their opponents. The
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  Speaker 1: fight I'm really looking forward to is Stalo Fema Lopez
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  Speaker 1: and you know Barbosa Lopez. That's what I'm looking forward to.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's that's a worthy fight. The other two not
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  Speaker 1: so much anyway, by the way, lackluster from what I saw.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see the whole presser from when I saw,
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  Speaker 1: not so much. I do want to give my thoughts
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  Speaker 1: later in the show on the Times Square location as well. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: joining us here in just a second. Kind of breaking
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  Speaker 1: down some of this stuff, I thought that it was
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  Speaker 1: a weird start. Man. You did see Roach stepping two tank,
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  Speaker 1: but not really landing a whole lot right away. Neither
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  Speaker 1: were obviously, but the one maybe two decent shots that
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  Speaker 1: the first round to me is kind of up in
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  Speaker 1: the air. I did give Davis the second round. I
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  Speaker 1: thought the body shots were kind of the difference. It
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  Speaker 1: was a slow round. Roach landed a nice left uh
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  Speaker 1: to the head as well, So either way. I gave
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  Speaker 1: Roach the third round for sure, that was his best
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  Speaker 1: round as far as landing the jab a few decent lands,
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  Speaker 1: where Davis was mostly you know, attacking the body at
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  Speaker 1: that point. I thought the fourth one round was close.
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  Speaker 1: You had some left hands a few late, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know a couple of you know, landed shots as
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  Speaker 1: well that were pretty solid from Roach, and Davis actually
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  Speaker 1: got caught. Looked like after he was looking at the
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  Speaker 1: at the ref. I'll say this before we'll stop. Right
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  Speaker 1: at the fourth round, I gave it to Davis, but
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  Speaker 1: that could have stolen the round for Roach. Clearly Davis
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  Speaker 1: was not focused. Gravante was not focused in this fight mentally,
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  Speaker 1: he was not there. Him and Calvin clearly have some
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  Speaker 1: stuff going on. He was getting really frustrated. But I
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  Speaker 1: guess both of them. You know, I knew there was something,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's a dumb excuse, right, and it's your
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  Speaker 1: own fault if in fact, some you know, some grease
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  Speaker 1: was going in the eye. But I knew there was
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  Speaker 1: something going on obviously, because you know, he's like doing
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  Speaker 1: the thing to his head and he's like do it
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  Speaker 1: like this, and they're they're they're having issues. You know,
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  Speaker 1: so the corner was kind of funky. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: even down the stretch they did say, hey, Gravant that
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  Speaker 1: we need you know, these next three, but I still
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  Speaker 1: don't think the urgency was there. And regardless of the corner,
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  Speaker 1: the fighter did not have enough urgency. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if they actually counted the knockdown as an official knockdown,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that would have woke them up even more, or
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  Speaker 1: woke them up to where he'd finish all those three
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  Speaker 1: rounds to close. I don't know, but I would say
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  Speaker 1: one of the most you know, non focused outings we've
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  Speaker 1: seen from him in a long time. And that's no
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  Speaker 1: shade against Roach. I gave Roach the fifth. I thought
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  Speaker 1: Davis was winning, but some really nice right hands in
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  Speaker 1: a late hook by Roach probably stole the round. By
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  Speaker 1: this time, it was getting real kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were dicing it up. It was getting a little dicey,
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  Speaker 1: uh in the inside, get a little dirty on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: I did like see any time year going against the
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  Speaker 1: A fighter. I really liked what Roach brought defensively. I
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  Speaker 1: did think he needed to move his hands a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more, especially in the beginning to win those early
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  Speaker 1: rounds clearly, but overall I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, all right, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna hit me, I'll hit you, you know, like he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna wait around for the ref. And I really
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: loved how he you know, even that moment where he,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: you know, Geronte hit him with his shoulder and he
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: hit him back with I think a right hug. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, dude, we can go tip for tag, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I really loved that from Roach. Some people
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  Speaker 1: say that's dirty. Nah, dude, Like if the rest not
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  Speaker 1: calling it and it's happening to you, and he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: take these little like the and I don't even mind
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  Speaker 1: the free hand stuff. If you're tied up and there's
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  Speaker 1: a free hand, it's a free hand, dude. I love
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  Speaker 1: refs that say free hand work out and then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if they're not doing much, then sure break it up.
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  Speaker 1: But I really liked that. I was really it that
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  Speaker 1: that really did it for me with Roach. Then I
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  Speaker 1: gave the sixth round. I thought the body work in
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  Speaker 1: the left hand to the head did it for Davis.
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  Speaker 1: The seventh round was close early and late. He was
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  Speaker 1: getting to the body in head, but there was like
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  Speaker 1: three or four hooks in a row beyond like a
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  Speaker 1: jab and a right hand. Those three or four hooks
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  Speaker 1: that landed, landed and then landed, that could have taken
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  Speaker 1: the round right there. It was close, and in fact
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  Speaker 1: that was sixteen to twelve. I wrote it down because
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  Speaker 1: I think that was the first time he was it
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  Speaker 1: the first time he got to double digits. I can't remember,
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  Speaker 1: but that seventh round could have went to Roach. I
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  Speaker 1: thought Davis was doing the early and late, but in
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  Speaker 1: the middle maybe those three or four hooks won it
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  Speaker 1: for him. I gave the eighth round, very close round
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  Speaker 1: to Roach. I thought he got it, was getting the
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  Speaker 1: better of him in the exchange. Is a few good ones,
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  Speaker 1: especially late in that round there was a late right hand.
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  Speaker 1: The ninth I gave to Davis. Well, I didn't give
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  Speaker 1: it to Davis, obviously, I gave it to him, but
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I don't think you should have. He
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  Speaker 1: was laying some finally let up some two punch combos.
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  Speaker 1: But I even wrote down there's something in his eye
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  Speaker 1: or something's going on, because he went you know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: that's supposed to be a knockdown, right, He took a
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  Speaker 1: knee and he even admitted it later. Like I said,
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: he used a goofy excuse, but he did admit, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I took a knee, so he knew what he was doing.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like and his reasoning was, and this is
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  Speaker 1: his reasoning. He said, you know, like I, it's better
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  Speaker 1: to take a knee and take your knockdown like that
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  Speaker 1: rather than get caught with something with my eyes are
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  Speaker 1: burning and I can't see. And you know, I did
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: see people reference Muhammad Ali with the lemon water, you know,
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: the lemon in the water or whatever it was. That
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  Speaker 1: I believe that's what it was that he said his
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  Speaker 1: eyes were burning. And remember when he came to the corner,
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  Speaker 1: he was ready to quit, and his trainer, Dundee Sa knew, no, sir,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: we're not cutting the gloves. And didn't he say something
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: like that. If I recall, sometimes I recall wrong. But
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: I thought he said cut my gloves or something like
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  Speaker 1: I can't see. I can't see. And so I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying he would have quit for sure. I'm just saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was close to like saying, dude, I
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  Speaker 1: can't see, but and maybe taking a knee in that scenarre,
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  Speaker 1: it would have help. But the thing is, you can't
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  Speaker 1: get help. There's no timeouts. But there was this weekend
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  Speaker 1: in New York. Barklays all right. Tenth round. Roach gave
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  Speaker 1: it to Roach. Jab right hooks, little left hook action,
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  Speaker 1: these quick little combos. Now, Davis did land his left
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  Speaker 1: hand to the head and body two, but it was close.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: I gave it to Roach. I gave the eleventh to Roach.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Davis had some good stuff early and late,
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  Speaker 1: but the short shots on the inside I like that better,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: and I wrote down, Davis is not mentally in this fight.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: Kelvin and him even messing around with a towel, he's
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  Speaker 1: showing him how to do it, and he's you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's not he's looking in the corner. When he was
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  Speaker 1: he was like looking at someone in the crowd. When
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  Speaker 1: he was fighting, he was looking at somebody. When you're winning,
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  Speaker 1: clearly that's not a big deal. But when you're in
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: a tight fight, dude, tighten up.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like he was looking for one shot at
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  Speaker 1: a time, basically. And they were talking the whole time too,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: by the way, talking the whole fight. The twelfth round
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  Speaker 1: I thought was very competitive, But the hooks I think
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  Speaker 1: they're left hooks. I think both hands in the right hand,
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  Speaker 1: that right hook started coming to and to me, it
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  Speaker 1: felt like near the end Davis thought he had it.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it looked like. He was fighting that way.
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  Speaker 1: So honestly, I would have had it in a draw
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  Speaker 1: seven to five, either guy, whatever, But like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: to me, it looked like that. You know when you
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: look at the coffee Marx, you look at everything. It's
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: like to me, he was really you know, he always
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  Speaker 1: starts slow, but then he'll pick it up and pick
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  Speaker 1: it up and pick it up, and then really pick
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  Speaker 1: it up, and not eighty punches around pick it up,
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  Speaker 1: but pick it up. And he just never picked it
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  Speaker 1: up all the way in the counters, the exchanges. He
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: was doing this thing Roach as well. I would have
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: liked to see a little bit more out of Roach
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  Speaker 1: early in that fight, but because like I said, Givante
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  Speaker 1: generally doesn't do a whole lot in those rounds, so
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: you gotta win him clearly, and I think maybe if
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: that's the one thing you could talk about, it's like
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: he could have started a little bit better, because like
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I said, you know that, you know, Gravonte's not gonna
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: So it did kind of look like, Okay, Javonte's actually
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: got this fight a little earlier. He's doing pretty good,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: and then it kind of fell off and down the
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  Speaker 1: stretch he just didn't No, man, it just wasn't there.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: He just I don't know. Some people, I've seen multiple
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: people say, hey, you know, now that he's thirty, he's
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: not a big dude, maybe it's falling off, you know.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, if you look at it,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: punches twelve, these are just punches, not land is just
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  Speaker 1: thrown first round twelve, twelve, twenty four, that's when he
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: started picking up twenty seventeen, then twenty four, twenty eight,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, twenty two, forty two in the eleventh,
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  Speaker 1: Which that's why I think that one's that could have
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: went either way. It just it just felt like, I
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: don't know, he never really turned it all the way overall,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Roach did land one twelve to one oh three, and
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: he out threw them four hundred to two seventy nine.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Now a higher percentage was landed, no doubt, but not
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that much. Thirty you know, almost thirty seven twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: is still pretty good. Didn't really mess with the jab,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I guess he was, you know, maybe he thought he'd
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: get countered, and I would have liked to see a
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: little bit more jabs out of roach and even me
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: saying he should have started faster and all that. You know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: when you're in there with a puncher, I understand that year.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It just it. I can't
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: wait to see the rematch, to be honest with you.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And then body shots were fifty to thirty two, so
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you know, and like I said, when you start to
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: look at you know, cruise, when he went the distance
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: like he was still I don't know, It's like once
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: there was some rounds where he didn't throw as much,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: but others where he did. You know, if you look
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: at the last chunk of fights, I don't know. I'm
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: looking at the copy box number and sees like once
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he turns it on, he usually just I guess you
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: could say, kind of keeps it on, you know. So
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I don't think he was
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: even the Frank Martin fite. I'm looking at it right now,
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty seven, thirty seven, Like once you can
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: have the slow start, but then it seemed like he
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: slowed back down again, and that's where I was like, hmm,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you know, now, obviously you know the commission stuff. You
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: know that that shit's crazy. You know the fact that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you know they couldn't figure that out, And I got
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I'm actually reading this off brunch boxing headline from Matthew Brown.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: New York State Athletic Commission under fire after bullshit statements
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: surrounding controversial right controversial tankroacht and so the they announced
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that it is they're reviewing the controversial sequence in which
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Davis you know, did that and Steve Willis just didn't
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: do anything. However, a source with the first hand knowledge
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of the situation is forcunately pushed back against the Commission's explanation,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: calling it outright bullshit. An official statement released on Monday,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the Commission claimed that technical difficulties prevented them from reviewing
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the footage in time to make the ruling. So there
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: is a time that you have after it happens to rule,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you know, to rule now you can let the round
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: play out and then maybe take an extra time in there.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: At this time, New York State Commission is reviewing the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: matter during the round and question following the Commission's request
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: for the replay video, there was a technical issue preventing
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the Commission from receiving it with the allotted time for review. Therefore,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the referee inering decision was relied upon right. The Commission
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: further stated, it remains you know, dedicated, preserving you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: integrity and can pay all that good stuff right. However,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: sources tell brunch Boxing that their version of the events
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: is far from the truth. They say, that's bullshit, that's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: not how it went down, and you know. According to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: their own guidelines, instant replay is allowed when adequate technology
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: is available, specifically, if you can determine whether an event
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: or when an event was a knockdown or a slip
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: or an injury, whatever, right, Instant replay may be used
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to determine the correct outcome of about including knockdowns. The
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: in ring referee an instant replay official is the only
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: one authorized to initiate a review to modify the original call.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: The referee and replay official must both agree that the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: replay provides clear and conclusive evidence. Best efforts must be
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: made in complete to complete the review during the one
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: minute rest period, with an additional thirty seconds. So you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: got the rest and then you got thirty seconds. The
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  Speaker 1: sources say there was no technical issue preventing the replay.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: In fact, the video sequence was prepared almost immediately. According
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to the source, Within ten seconds of the instant, four
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: different angles of the replay were queued up and ready
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: for review. The replay official had access to the footage
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: well before the tenth round begame. According to the source,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: we got what we needed. Yeah, not a knockdown, wasn't
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a punch. So just to fill you in on some
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of that stuff, I'm gonna go ahead and bring in
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: John to the oops. John to the fold here, alrighty,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So John's gonna be uh joining us very shortly. He's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: coming into the feed. Hey, John, how you doing good?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Doing all right?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, keeping up speaking, keeping up with all the action and.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: The outside the ring. We will say outside.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And of course want to say controversy, but I'm gonna
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: say partially before we get into it all, probably some
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: somewhat overblown controversy.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, yeah, that is that's fair. I mean, it's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk all about that because that's there's a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: short term memory, right people haven't I don't know if
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: it's like the legalization thing with with weed.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You know, the short term got the legalization.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I got a short term. I got a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: good long memory. My short term is pretty good. I
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: do part take from time to time. But uh, you
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: know it's I don't know, sometimes just it is that like, uh,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it's just that, you know, engagement. It just feels a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: lot of engagement driven.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: That's what a lot of this stuff like we always say,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: people screaming, robbery and all that, right, right, all that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: kind of for no great reason.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, again before getting into it, I mean
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: because this is all sports now, it's it just popped
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: up this in boxing, but it annoys me in the NFL,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it annoys me in f MLB. There's no easier target
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: or low hanging fruit than that. Frankly, is not controversial
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: then attacking referees boxing in football, umpires in baseball not
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: meaning that there's not all kinds of mistakes. But that's
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: not that's not a controversial, gutsy take, right. Troy Aikman
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: won't criticize. I used to like him a lot, but
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: he's kind of gotten stale to me, Like, yeah, he
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: hasn't kind of he has gotten stale yet, like there'll
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: be no criticism of the NFL or or any players
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: or anything. But a ref blows the call, you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it'll yeah, the outrage and.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Have a job.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should have a job, exactly, you should have
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: a job. That stuff I don't have any tolerance for.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And the idea that that that's a controversial, gutsy take
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: always makes me laugh.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Well, you know it's funny, and we're old enough to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: know that a lot of this stuff you'd wake up
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: in the morning and you'd read the sports pade John
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and you go through the box score, and that's how
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you kept up with stuff. It wasn't nashally televised a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: lot of these sports.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: You know, nobody was a bigger newspaper reader than me
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: throughout the printed.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Avilage football, I mean, you name it. You know, it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that's how you kept up. And so you didn't see
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this shit. You didn't see you know, someone had to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: tell you about a bad call or something like that.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's like there's somewhere in between that
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that we have to get to that I don't think
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: there's much hope.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you got to have like and doesn't mean it
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: was always perfect, and sure you can always have corruption
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and things that goes to all errors. Don't get me wrong,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: but this is throughout society sports, and it wasn't as
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: much to me in the news realm, but now it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: gotten there, like it's it's where if you don't at
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: least try to follow a code of ethics, it's a problem.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: You know that that's becoming a big problem with a
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: lot of things. It doesn't mean people are always going
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: to follow it or it's perfect or anything, but what
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I'm getting to is right, you know, like then you're
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you know, in a pastime at least your your journalistic
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: ethics would would cause you to, like you said, if
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you pick up that paper, somebody's got to have you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you know, has to have a a gutsy take or
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: report on something. Yeah, because it's just their standard as
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: a sports journalist or a news journalist. Yeah, yeah, that's
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, now you have people all the time,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean there aren't things that are better.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Now I'm not one of those kind of people, but
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: but you have like people just simply say again in
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: all realms, well look how much money they make by
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: you know, whether it be sucking up to Turkey ala
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Chic or the NFL or Donald you know, Donald Trump
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: or or whatever. Why would Why wouldn't they do it?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of like, well, you know, maybe if
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you just had like a little bit of ethics with
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: your job, you know, maybe they wouldn't do it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there used to be even if the line was imaginary, John,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: there was still some line there right still aligne. Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you crossed it. It was like, now, hold on, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: let's let's talk. You know, I don't know, it's just
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's gone downhill in many ways, but let's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: get to the car itself. Obviously, might as we'll stop
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: right at you know, start right at the top and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you know, break down the fight. It took a little
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: while obviously to get going. I would have liked to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: see Roach move his hands a little bit more early,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: because that's when you get up on uh you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: generally speaking, that's when you get up on the cars
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: with Gervonte. So he wasn't necessarily winning him cleanly enough.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: But Gravante was in his first three round mode where
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: he wasn't doing or at least first two where he
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't doing anything, and That's the thing though. If he
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: does land two clean bunches, you're like, that may have
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: won the round. I don't know, you didn't move. It's
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: kind of weird like that. But you know, once he
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: got going, then it looked like, okay, here's yvante. And
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: then down the stretch of the fight, I do have
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to say this is the most un He was very unfold.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: He was not focused in there, and he was not
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: disciplined in there, and that's something that we see a
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: lot of from him in these fights. And it does
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: feel like once he turns the tide, the punch rate
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: tends to go up and stay up. Now it doesn't
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: go way up, but it goes you know, doubles or whatever.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's thirty eight thrown or something rather than seventeen
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But take me through the fight, take me
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: through your scorecard. And then obviously, you know, we both
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: assume it's a ridiculous call, not that when you're in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the middle of a count, of course you're going to
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: keep counting. You know, he took a knee, you were counting.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: What stopped the count? You know all that, we're not
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: saying it's not crazy, it's not bad but we're just
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: trying to keep it in perspect exactly.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, let's make that clear. I mean that
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: was a bad call. Not calling that a knockdown. I'm
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: just stating like like I put the example up there,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't like a what aboutism, It's just that,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: like you said, let's let's keep perspective, like there was
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: immediately this this kind of outrage or fall outrage of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: like we've never seen this before. Well, Usik's been calling
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: his own low blows at least since the Gassy I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: fight and getting away from it. And I put that
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: out there, and some people, to their credit, did pick
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: up on it and even pulled out some of the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: clips which were clear, and you know, he got away
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: with it. And then you know, and I want.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: You to repeat that, called his own right, all right,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: you know, stop fighting, call fighting, stop fighting, completely stopped fighting.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And then then the duboi collapsed to the canvas when
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: it was a you know, you and I both thought
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: under the rule book was a clean shot.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Or at minimum of.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Border minimum a border got away with it. So now
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: in this case, was it clear? Yes, I just think
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: it was one of those types of things where Steve
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Willis got caught up in that, you know what I think.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, some people we're saying he's slipping. I think
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: generally the guy who has been a pretty good ref
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't. I don't think it's fixed. I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: just think it's like the usk type thing. I mean,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you know, Givonte Davis is a big name, and he's
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: he's kind of like overthinking it, letting him, yeah, letting
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: him get away with it, like to use the thing,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: but clearly under the rule book. I mean you could
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: even see that really in first motion. I mean he
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: gets hit with not a hard punch, but he gets
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: hit with a punch to the eye. You know, he
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: starts to complaining, he goes down. I mean it's yeah,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: he does the eye thing. I mean what what so
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: then what that leads to for me, what was troubling
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: was was that and then Roach a complete non puncher.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You know, he didn't have him in any kind of
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: trouble or anything like that. But we hadn't seen this
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: from Tank before either. You know, he's getting like moved
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and bothered by Roach's punches. And Roach a low KO
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: percentage guy who against his best opposition, hasn't shown any
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: power either, So you know that that that was troubling
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: to me. You know, I think for the scorecards it
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: just ended up being one of those again without considering
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the factor that that wasn't not technical knockdown call, just
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: storing how they showed us how it is without the knockdown, right,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: but let's let's face it, it's technical rule book knockdown too.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Like Gervante, I'd be fair to roach like he was bothered,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: but it's just like the the the which frankly was
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: even worse. Like in Usik Duboi. You had Usik backers
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: saying like, oh, well, if he would have known they
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: were counting him out, he would have jumped right up
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and fired back at everything. Well in that case, yeah,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you know that's not a certainty. Now in this he
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: would have got up, He could have got up, hurt,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: hurt more. You know, you would think Davis would have
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: would have been okay. But you know, I would say
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit roach a non puncher. But with Davis
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: inexplicably to me, compared based on his past history getting
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: bothered with the shots, I don't know though, who knows,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you know, if there would if he maybe if Roach
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: follows up immediately or something. I don't know, if Gervante
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: was so bad off that night he would have started
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: to unravel or something. I'm not saying he would have,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: but I suppose the way it played out, you can't
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent rule it out. But outside of that,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I think cards having it a draw or you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: one guy would have been a winner one fifteen, one thirteen.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It was one of those types of types of fights
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: kind of playing out the way you said. You know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Dave is still despite being bothered a few times. You know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: he's got the shots with more authority, and like you said,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: he was starting to open it up. But you're right,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: like we've never seen before with his fights, where he
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: started to open it up and then it wasn't It
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't decisive. Yeah, you know, it didn't carry on to
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: be decisive. I thought this was something that he'd been
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: performing effectively enough that I couldn't exactly call when it
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: was going to happen. But I have been saying it
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: for a long time and probably seemed a bit crazy
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to some about talking about him going up and wait,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you know we've talked about that, and I've given my
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: reasons for it before and why that matters to me
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: on this fight is I do think this now because
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Roach just isn't. You know, he thought he's a solid fighter,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: He thought pretty well, but he's still not a puncher
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: or anything. And you know, Gravante was a minus sixteen
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: hundred favorite going in, you know, for him to have
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: this kind of trouble, he's thirty years old. You know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: at lightweight he's short for he's even for light weight,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: he's sure now that doesn't get better when he moves
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: up in weight. But I used like the Pacchio example,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: even though Pacio is more high volume and Tank is
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: not that you know, and we've talked about guys like
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Roy Jones, like you know, sometimes you need to sometimes
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to keep that skill set going the way you fight,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you need to move up. And I don't even mean
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: to like a one to forty Frankly, I don't think
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: that would be different enough. But that's where I do
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: mean the one forty seven, like even after a perform.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Said that like a few years ago too.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And at his age. This this was what I'm talking about.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And that goes from you know, boxing geniuses like Emmanuel Stewart,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you know, of course, Gervonte Davis, you know, has passed
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: his time in terms of you know, his pro mark.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: But like you know, he talked about Tyson like like
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: post Douglas when Tyson was in his mid twenties, like,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think the guy can get it back to
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: where he was even though he's in his mid twenties
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: because of his package, you know, his power, speed reflex
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: is just kind of a physical force. I've seen Stewart
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: talk about other guys like that end up being right
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: even though Tyson's still at his moments, even though he
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: was a mid twenties guy and that was at heavyweight,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: it wasn't ye he came back strong now you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: he had some you know, stopped Alex Stewart, he had
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: you know, the Rudduck fights were tough, competitive fights, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: he probably a lot out of Redduck day. Rutick was
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: flying high at the time. But I mentioned that even
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: though it's at heavyweight and we're at lightweight. Sometimes there
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: are some comparisons made to you know, Tank and even
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Tanks Lefty, and I think some of them are valid too,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: not all, but I think there's some comparisons there.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Even the soft voice right right, not getting people out,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: but a soft one and.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And the you know, the explosive knockouts. And I can
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: think at age thirty, and it ties in with what's next,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: which is important. But this word fit like if I'm
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: theoretically in Davis's camp and I'm managing, when you look
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: at the money that could be made, and I think
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: he he can turn it around. I'm not saying it'll
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: automatically be decisive or anything, but Roach isn't a puncher,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: and it's not like Roach out boxed them completely for
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: twelve rounds or something. He probably can turn that around.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: It's marketable as a pay per view because of this result.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: You know, we've seen that boxing history, especially in the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: last forty years, so many times, so that fits in
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: perfectly with the marketing. I think he can turn it around.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: But here would be then my advice for what it's
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: worth afterward. Then if he's you know, if he's going
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to take a big fight like against a Stevenson or something,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: it might not go well at lightweight for the reasons
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Sure, I could see him doing that for
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: the money, but like in other words, be prepared for
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: to lose. But Here's what I wouldn't do is and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: they might go in this direction. That's why I'm saying,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: either before Roach or even if they turned around against Roach,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I would not attempt if I was in Davis's camp
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: at his age now and after this performance, to have
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: him fight what they perceive to be softer opponents at lightweight,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: because something like this is going to happen again. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: would then try to make that dramatic move up to
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: like to one forty seven, try to become historical legendary
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: in that sense, hoping maybe some of his positive attributes
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that he's getting into his thirties could still carry over
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: at a higher weight against some bigger guys that for
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: his perspective or slower still true.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you stay at thirty five, go for
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a big fighter, don't go at all.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Right, That's what I'm saying, Like, don't That's because I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: could see them doing that, And this is why I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: want to say it now on the record.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Now, that's a good that's an interesting point. That is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: an interesting point, because why go and lose or look
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: like crap against some mediocre.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly, That's that's what That's what I came away from
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: this from that. This is probably I will say it,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: because it just happens with that kind of a style
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and he's in his thirties and what weight he's at.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I think the decline I couldn't have predicted when necessarily
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: because he was still pulling it off, but I think
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the decline started, so they gotta be care you know.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I think they gotta be careful. You know. You could argue,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: of course they've been real careful before this, but you
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: want to maximize money and he is only going to
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: maybe have a few more fights at full effectiveness. Like
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I I'd look to this roach rematch myself and i'd
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: either if Stevenson's a huge fight at that point or something.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe close the year with it or something.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: You may go down, or if that's not available, I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: think then I would make the move up to welter weight,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: make that dramatic, see how it plays out, Maybe find
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the right opponent there, and you know, try to try
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: to see if maybe you can make a late run
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: there and kind of be historical having you know how
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to run at the top at welterweight and lightweight. That's
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: that's a real good legacy to me as a boxing historian.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So that's where I would go, But I wouldn't take
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the path even before a Roach rematch, er right after
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: of like we're going to try to fight mediocre lightweight,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: maybe even at one. I don't think i'd do that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I think like going to one forty for Russell or
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: something like.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: That, or yeah, like you know that's that's yeah, that
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: would be like to me, a recipe that's not.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Gonna work out well stylistically. Man, you want to see
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: him open up. He's going to have to open up
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: going against Russell. Yeah, just everybody eventually does.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And Russell's got amateur pedigree, even though he fights with
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: an aggressive style, so you know, it's not like the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: guy doesn't know how to fight, and he's from a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: fighting family. He's frash, you know, he hasn't taken any
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: punishment or anything like that. So yeah, I think they
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: gotta be careful. But I'm agreeing though, with the marketing,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and he's got a shot to reverse that to a
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: win against Roach in a rematch, so I think because
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: some people would look at that as risky, you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: maybe say.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what, what if he doesn't even do
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: a rematch, I'll move on right.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think right. Some people have said I think
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I think take that. It's good for marketing, that'll be
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: good for his image if he at least reverses it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: But then don't play around, don't play around down at
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: lightweight anymore with any mediocre opposition or anything like that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Either get a big fight or move up.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, even if they were going to do
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the Ryan Garcia right again or even the cruise when
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: he had the belt, he was gonna go up for that,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: or at least a catch weight or something. You know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Garcia's at like one or forty four, he said, So
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: you're right, he'd have to go up anyway for those
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: big fights eventually. Anyway, what if, you know, at the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: end of this year or whatever. I do think the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: combination of maybe falling in love with the knockout kind
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: of you know, we mentioned this a lot with Jermal Charlough.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: It was kind of different because he didn't have knockout
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: hard than he did, and then he changed his whole
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: fighting style. I was like, dude, move your hands, man,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: win this round. Dude, what are you doing? You know
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that's a feeling, but Tank's always pretty much well not
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: always early in his career, he did go hunt. He
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: would get hit more, but he would go hunt. And
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: usually once he turns the tide, you see him hunt now.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: But I will say this, the combination of him just
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: not being focused, it was clear. I mean, he's looking
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: outside the ring. He's he acts like he's got in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the bag almost you know already. And then the inside
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: short shots in get counter You back I really like
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: from Lamont Roach. Another thing was the free hand. We
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: don't see that enough in today's boxing. If the ref's
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: not breaking you up and you got a free hand
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and some dude just shimmied you with this, you know, shoulder.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I loved how Roach gave it right back to him.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Here's the right hand. You know. If the rest's not
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: gonna call it, I'm gonna do it. Man, f this,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: you know. So I did like the inside short shots
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: from Roach. And I thought that the sparring. It sounds
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like they had a lot of sparring, so maybe some
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of his stuff he had already had that time to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: get a little to to. You know, if you do
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it enough, you can at least have seen it in
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the ring. I think that played a minor part two.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: But the short shots the counters. I was impressed with Lamont.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Wasn't just gonna sit there and be the b side,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that much because this is important to me, and
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I think it shouldn't be important everybody. It's another good
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: time to point it out because it should be pointed
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: out every time it happens, which is very very frequently.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: So Roach Roach fighting at one thirty five instead of
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: one thirty was meaningless. Another worse. No, there was no
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: difference in how he thought, what he brought to the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: table or anything.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: He's got good size act.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: He's right there with a top whiteweight guy. So again
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: you just don't guy.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Actually at that way, you just don't.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Need all these You just don't need all these weight classes.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Ye they the added ones from the original eight, unless
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: you want to talk cruiser weight because heavyweights are so
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: big now, there's just no you know, just don't need him.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: There's no there's no purpose for him. It's just you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: popularized by the alphabets. And it just adds to when
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: you got four sanctioning bodies that people were talking about
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: out there, and then seventeen plus weight classes. If you'd
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: want to talk about these nonsense new ones the WBC
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: are trying.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: To the IBO is gaining steam. Boy, I'll say burrows around.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have mixed emotions about that. Part of
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: me wants him to start talking about him because maybe
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: then there's there's some point where people can finally have
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the light bulb go off about how ridiculous it is.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And at least they got a decent ranking system to
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: say that.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Right started door start adoring all of them.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think you're right about the rematch one.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: You have the knee taken one. You have the silly excuse,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: which yeah, we've heard all sorts of excuses through the years, right,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: but in today's social media, that really does play, you
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they already made a song
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: about it, you know, like it is just silly. It
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, it's silly.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: But in the eye goes down, he takes a knee,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, the hair product. I mean, it's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: it's just silly. Like I said, I didn't like. To me,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: a real worrisome thing was just those punches. Because you're right,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and whether that was focused or whatever, he's out of
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: his game. He's getting bothered by and then you're getting
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: hit by roach kind of like backed off a guy
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: who has no history as a puncher. That's really that's worrisome.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: That's really worries.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And he said it, he said, after my eye was
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: burning or whatever, So honestly, I'd rather take the knee
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: then have my eye not one hundred percent and I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: get hit and get knocked out. He literally said that,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you know, so, I mean, clearly there was a worry
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: in there something, you know what.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, it looked like a you know, a concern
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: and not responding well.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Anytime you do that. It's one thing to take a knee.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: It's another thing to go get some help with the towel.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what, well, you sure are worried? What
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is going on? Like the whole thing. You know, there's
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: a moment, even though Spence was dynamic against Ugas, but
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: there was that moment.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. That reminded me of that
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit too. You just kind of like, but
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Spence definitely got hurt.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: He did, he got hurt in but he also fought
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: way better throughout the whole fight.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: And he picked it right back up.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But it was still like and we talked about it,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and like, man, this. It's bugging me. I don't understand
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: how you could make that mistake.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: You know, it was troubling. It was trouble, very trouble,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and then you know it all round.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, you know, especially you know running into the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Crawford at that weight, you know, well.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I think it was you never know what beforehand, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that would fit with what happened to him. You know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: his punch resistance could have could have been affected by
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that accident. If he had any type of headed which
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: he was in the hospital for days, you had to
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: you had to assume there was some kind of head
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: injury there. People that said he definitely got cleared, I
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: agree with them. I mean some doctor must have sure,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: So that's fair. That's a fair argument back. But yeah,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean there wasn't a head injury there. Oh yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the accident and that does have long term effects.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's show's uh? Baclis just sounds like he's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: got cleared. You know, people are getting cleared. People get cleared.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they're clear, sure, but well.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: You know plub Meyer who's putting articles for Boxing Scene
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: now and these guys have become freelancers. But the guy
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: was with the La Times at one point he just
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: this was was right before we got on. I saw it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I mean he's straight out reporting that Bacoley's gonna take
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: this a joga fight in Saudi on.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: When it sounded like he was off that card. Yeah,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Now or whatever. So I was picked up for to
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: knockout in the US. He wouldn't be permitted to fight
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: right at this point.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: But and it's like, doesn't that commission have like a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: phone or something?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I think see my understanding is that really there there
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: There isn't really any Saudi Arabian boxing commissions show. They
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: they borrow the services of the Yeah, you're right, yeah, me,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and that's why you always see British stuff out there
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and everything.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's but doesn't that have any barring as far
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: as the commission looking at that?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: All right? So where's the b B of.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, it's like that's that's weird to me.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: But who knows, Maybe next week we'll do the show
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: and it'll be off.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: It's weird. And you know, if I were not if
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he will because he's been boxing so
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: much in recent fights with Coroma, but if I were
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: a Godby, I'd come out unloading.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I agree, go.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Right after the guy onloaded. And I'm thinking also three ten,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, two months for the camp. But you know,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: you're you're not that. That's a lot of weight.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of that's a that's a good idea. Yeah,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: we'll see, but yeah, you're right, that's not a yeah,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you're right, he's his body's not going to look good
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: in two months, I mean look better sure.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Or if he tried to, if he lost that much weight,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: he'd be drained.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: So exactly, yeah, in just.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Two months, that's the thing, right anyway, but that just
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: today reported that you know, was said, but now it's
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I would kind of put it as.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Official, yeah, or at least am I official official? Yeah, yeah,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I think we have to do that all right. So
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: so the code feature, they've put it on paper, right,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: and on paper it looked like something all right, And
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: then in the.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Rings just about even money. It was balanced Whale a
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: slight favorite, then shifted to Russell's slight favorite. But people
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: say even money, but it was just about even money
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: going into the fight.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: It's about as even as we get in boxing, yep, right,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: because it's very rare when it's actually even.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: It was like almost actually.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Mean, and it probably was for a little time, you know, right, yeah, right,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: yeah exactly. But then I mean Russell put on his
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: best perforence as a pro. This guy put it all together.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: And I've always loved his style because, like you said,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: it's aggressive, but in like right away when he started
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: getting on TV or like off TV, undercards, streaming or whatever,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: you could see there was there was a lot there,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: but it was also kind of smothering. We talked about
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Porter and stuff like that, where you're like, man, it's close,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: it's really close. But the guy's got something, that's for sure.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: But he put it all together, whether it's fundamental pressure
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: all that defense like he was, he was doing it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: And obviously I'll let you talk about the fight, but
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: he needs to fight this year, no if ans or busts.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: He needs He cannot go another year out of the writ.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: You know, but what were youre thinking on Russell?
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Great Russell, I mean he got everything but the knockout, right, yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and so he's back on track. You know, I think
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: as that was a fight on the card ironically, but
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: it's worth mentioning and and I really thought Russell could
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: have gotten that decision. You know, Plao's like, it's funny
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: he was fighting Martine because they're a little bit similar
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: in that sense, like these are these are guys they
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: don't punch well, they don't do that much. You know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: they're they're not They're not in there to be that
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: aggressive there, and and you know they end up close
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: on the cards. And then you know, Martine hasn't gotten
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: some of these calls. I don't think he should have
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, but you know, Plao's gotten some of
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: these calls. So I'm just saying, like, you know, it's
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: not like Russell was dominated by the guy or anything
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: like that. Sure, so you know he's he's right back
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: on track. He got everything except the knockout. And and
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: you know, for Valenswale, I saw people, you know, if
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: you watch the guy's whole career, and I've seen a
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: lot of them from the beginning. I mean, some people
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: are like he doesn't have the power. Now he's got
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: tremendous power. He has fights where he and you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you could see it a little bit. Maybe they were
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: saying with the style matchup with Cruise, but there have
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: been other moments in his career and not ironically, not
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the the two losses, but even in some of his
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: other wins where he'd being with somebody and you're like,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: you know, like why why is he boxing this guy?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Because you know, you look in his first fight with Colbert,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: which I thought he did win and should have gotten
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a decision. I mean, those were vicious shots he was
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: nailing Colbert with and dropped Colbert. Even know, Colbert showed
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of heart in that fight and fought back valiantly,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: really showed a lot of heart. I just personally didn't
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: think it was enough, but he showed a tremendous amount
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: of guts and then in the rematch he just he
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: just flatlined.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Him.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Even though he is way past his best, still always
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: a tough guy. That knockout against Francisco Vargas in the
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: first round, you know that. I mean that's like a cannon.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the way he kaoed these people.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: And there's he has other that he's had like that too.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: He's got that like a big puncher. Yeah, this this
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: guy is a big puncher, but he has fights where
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: he boxs someone in this one, you know, Russell does
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: bring that package where you know he's he's physically strong
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: and he and he comes aggressive and he's got skill,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and you know that that part is just you know, Valenzuella,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: you know, getting backed up by him not getting that
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: leverage that he needs to get. I mean, I think
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: that that was crucial in this fight, but there are
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: other fights that Valenzuela here and there. You know, like
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: like I said this, you know, I didn't get the
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: main event right, what was going to play out. I
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: just didn't think this would be the fight that Davis
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: would show this slip that could happen at anytime. But
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: like this Russell Valenzuela, I felt like I really got
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: right because I like both guys. I'm not saying I
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: know it was going to be that much of a domination, but.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think anybody would have known it would
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: have been that many rounds and won the guy's favor.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Right. But even though like I picked Valens well for
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the upset against Cruise, but I did have those reservations
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: that he didn't get his power off like like I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: would have liked to see and I consider him a
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: real good power punctuer, and he didn't in this fight either,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: So you know that's something that that they got to.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, at least he didn't get kod here or
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: anything his two losses. You know, he just got caught
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: against del Santos when he was dominating.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: He had down, he had down to your point, he
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: knocked him down hard too.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Right, he knocked him van hard. I thought he could
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: have gotten the first Colbert Nod. So I think for him,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: we're talking, you know, when I'm speculating about next moves
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: for people I've been saying for a while, and it
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: seemed once once or twice they're close to it. The
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: redemption for Valens Whale is take get that De los
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Santos rematch, you know, get him out of there, which
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I think he's capable of doing, and then all right,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: you lost this one, but Russell's tough, you might get
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: back on track. I mean, yeah, Gary inch One Russell,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's he's got the talent to
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: be ready for a for a big fight. It's you know, then,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: what what big fight can they you know, what big
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: fight can they get them? I mean, what what big
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: fight canc get them? That's where you got to think.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're from the same region, but after what
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: happened with Tank, even if your reverses against Roach, I
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: don't think i'd take I don't think if I were
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: tanks Camp, I'd be taking that fight right at the
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: stage that would be an example of that for me.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe bigger guys, but I don't think i'd
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: do the Gary Inch one Russell ATK I do.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: So those other b sides that would make you some
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: more money, but also you'd.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Be doing it at a higher weight, right at a
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: higher weight. Yeah, I think I think I do. I
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: think I do something else there. But like I said,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: huge career best performance, yes from Russell.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Realistically though that fight with him in Tank the way
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Russell brings it man.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Very interesting fight and they are really like region.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I really like Russell.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And he looks to me a guy that could easily
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: fight that you wealth their way one hundred and forty seven. Yes,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you know if I if I were him,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: if I were him, I'd just follow the money myself.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't worry about the alphabet stuff that much. I
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: think he gets overrated even now. I just you know,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: look for try to try to get get the biggest
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: money fight you can. I don't think I'd be defending
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: the alphabet belt against lesser guys and just take that route.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I think I'd.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Taken like another rematch there, you think you do that?
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Or yeah?
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I mean I think he beats him in a rematch. Yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I think he beats him in a rematch. He could,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, if they're gonna do that type of a thing,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: yeah he could, he could do that worthy.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, right, that's the thing. It's like one forty
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: seven now is you know, it's kind of cleaned out
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: to an.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Extent now It used to it being the bet right
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: there with the best, and it's not right now like it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're about to get probably the best fight,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: you know in the division. I'd say soon already. So yeah,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: that that'd be kind of interesting to see, all right.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't say enough about Russell. He really
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: put it all together. And like I said, you know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: within six months, get you know, get him back in
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: the ring. He needs to fight that she cannot go
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: and he can't do his brother's schedule. I just not
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: many guys can do that. You know. It looked good
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: after a year and a year and a year out,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: year out you know, I really hope he's back. Do
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you think you know I forgot uh you know, thinking
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: about that, do you think the time out of the
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: ring after well catches up to Davis at all? Because
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: he when you look at it, he had at the
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: beginning of twenty twenty three, he had those January April,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: then he had a big gap, then he had another
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I think ten months or something like that. Do you
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: think that's starting to catch up to him, because he
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Say that to me, that would be more of like
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: a marketing thing, like with his style, that would just
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: be to me more like wasted time where now he's thirty.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: In other words, he could have gotten more fights in
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm not. As you know, I pushed back against
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: the people say they go overboard with the activity thing.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, boxing, it's just too dangerous when
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: you're at the elite level. Two fights a year, if
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: they're both good, would be enough for me. But he
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't even doing that.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't even do you only did that that one year.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like, right, so, being consistent with my own standards,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's wasted time at an age where he's
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: still had that full explosive.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Now he's thirty, so you probably wasted a couple of
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: fights there, right exactly, It's gonna get worse, not any better.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't think now he should worry about it now.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: It's probably more Oh yeah, I'm just saying in general,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: but gen no, I think it does. It hurts, not
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: like per Se because he was inactive, but he missed
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: fights he could have had where he would have still
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: had that explosiveness, you know, still being in his twenties
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: right right, Not that he still doesn't have, you know,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: a good portion of it, but with that style, I
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: do think this was probably the start of the slide.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: And with that, I don't mean he can't beat Roach
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: in a rematch, but I think you gotta you gotta
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: monitor him carefully for the slide now.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Right, and and then play you Martin Martinez should say.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: It's kind of funny because the first like four or
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: five rounds is like, oh wait, hold on, this isn't
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: that bad. Hang on, Mark Martin's coming for what are
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: you doing coming out? It's like wow? And then of
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: course middle rounds it kind of back it went back
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to right here, and then it seemed like it's like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the last couple of rounds, like, okay, let's pick it back.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: It's really weird. It's almost like they're like, hey, we're
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: going to prove them wrong for five rounds.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I almost think it will a little bit of that,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit of it.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: And they did get a lot of heat all week,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I wasn't exaggerating when I said it,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: and I was joking about it, but but it was
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: serious in that and that's what I think that they
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: almost were trying to prevent. I guess you'd give him
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: some credit for that. I thought. I mean, this could
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: have been one of the worst fights in terms of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: entertainment value ever shown on a pay per view, no exaggeration.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, forget the alphabet belt stuff. It could have been.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: It had that potential. And I think you're right, it
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: did have that look, especially in the first four or
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: five rounds of Martin.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Company, I'm let's going on here.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: You know, it seemed like they may have heard some
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: of it. So you know, they saved themselves from from
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: being the worst pay per view fight. They did pretty good, yeah,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: with their efforts, but certainly to me, those are not
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: two guys that should be matched against each other.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got like the best that possibly
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: could have probably been, you know, and it.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Still was like that was the best they can do.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: And I didn't have a problem with the decision that well,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: that one too. The Tank fight didn't play out like
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I thought, but that one played out. I did pick play. Oh.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: He ended up becoming a slight favorite, but well not
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: by much close to an even money fight, And that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: was a good one for me too. I did again
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: as dull as I expected that to be. I just
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: as we broke down last week, I put some money
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: on play oh. Yeah, and the Tank fight I stayed
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: off of because minus sixteen hundred and then it was
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: like minus six hundred to get a ko or something
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: like that, or minus four hundred to get a ko
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: over Yeah, it was like, but that's where that hurts boxing, Like,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: it ended up being much better than expected, and it'll
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: warrant a rematch. I'm in favor of that with what happened.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: But kidding myself not to take a you know, put
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: a little something in the dry you know, just yeah,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: maybe you put on it, but I wasn't enough on
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: paper to do that.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: No, that wasn't because Draft but I'm just saying because
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Draft Kings has become such a good partner. Really, they're
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: all over it. And when boxing is getting sponsors, I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: think it is that big. But like you need betible fights,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that's another issue with the sport. Like that's that was
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: like it turned out result wise, it didn't. Admittedly it
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: didn't turn out unbettable, but it looked unbetable. Yeah, it
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: just looked on better. There was no play.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: There, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I agree with the the with
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Toyo winning. We both picked him. But still, you know,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: even like they they he didn't land as many hooks
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: or power punches, but every time he landed his power punch,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: it sure looked like it was landing a lot better
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: than when our team was landing, you know. So you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: put that with the with the clean jab, it was
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: a nice job. It was doing something, and then you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: land some other hooks and uppercuts and bodywork. I thought
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: that was enough to win that fight. They kept bringing
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: up the power punch, but we all know it's just
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the jab non jab, and it just didn't look like
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: he was doing as much. I hate to use the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: word damage, but well he did kind of shake him
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: up to the body. Actually, uh Poyo did later in
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: that fight. I think it was a right hand of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the body. Can't remember, but but yeah, I did think
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Klayu won that fight. And I also didn't like how
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: they ever till every once in a while they'll they'll say, so,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: he's gonna need a knockout to win. Well, actually on
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: that card, It's like, dude, that's a that's a made
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: up card man that has nothing. While you're misleading people
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: or mislead, like say it before you say you're sentenced,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Say now, this is not official, but if it were,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: he would need on Larry Hazards, you know, say it
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: like that. Don't just say he's gonna need a knockout.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, he's not what you're You're right.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: It really is dreadful, and it's it's a lot of them,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: and not just trying to be negative on all of them,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: but it is dreadful. I agree with you. It's just dreadful,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: just stuff that just shouldn't be happening. And you know,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: ranal with the just just he got in this habit.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Some of the stuff that bothers other people he does
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't bother me as much like well you said that
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: bothers me. And then uh, the the alpha he's tall
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: about alphabet belt stuff like every five seconds that comes
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: out of his mouth. It just it's like for me,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: it's just like nails on a chalkboard or something. I'm like, man,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: you know that this is just like unlistenable.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's just long winded. That's the only thing
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I have broums with. It's like he needs to fit
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: all this stuff in. I get it, that is your job,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: but you can just it's like, I don't know, it's
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: just like, dude, let's talk about did he land that
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: left hand or not. Let's you know, let's talk about
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: what's going on in the ring for once, you.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Know, or maybe some history outside of the alpha alphabet stuff.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: You used to have that in boxing and broadcast, you know.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: And you know, I've even heard Steven ESPINOSI a couple
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: of years ago, not too long ago, and he's a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: smart guy talk about getting away from that kind of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: stuff and talking about like the transnational rankings and things
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: like that. But you know, he they've ended up not
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: getting not getting away from that stuff. I think they
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: feel like to compete they got to do with the
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: other promotions. But I don't think you do. And I'd
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: like to just see a step step forward from all
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: that kind of nonsense.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a lot of I mean, boxing is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: obviously individual and there's a lot of stories to tell. Man,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: if you want to sit there and talk for ninety
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: seconds out of a round, like you said, at least
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: make it interesting.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to do the alphabet angle
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: all the time when you're talking around you know, Unified
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Champion and WBO, they just you know, you don't have
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: to talk about give us a better historical sense of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: the significance leading to now, and you know, without that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: kind of nonsense.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's a title, if it's a title Lemonade
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: and the guy who has the titles on the card
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: and it's coming up next, okay, you can bring it up. Sure,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: so you can mention it to get there. Okay, cool,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: that's all I need. I don't need anything else.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I mean you can mention it once.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: You know, you could say U B A something or
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: other and that's it. Just don't say it again.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't need we don't need it, right,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: even the whole ranking thing. And that's the thing Number
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: eight dude, is he.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Like they don't rank, they don't rank the other organization's champions,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: and they got easy guys ranked ahead of good fighters
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: and politically connected. Don't don't don't use those I mean,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: don't you know? I mean, what that guy, that guy
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: that I'm sorry, but it just that should have been
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: brought out. We did a few weeks ago because it
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: was a pretty good fight. But what that coil guy
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: that fought Bill Dickey audience last few years ago. He
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: was like number three in the w B A and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: mid middleweight. He's a thirty six year old middleweight. Han't anybody,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: But he's the third rank, the third right.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: W n B A middleweight. That's Bill Dicky's first fight
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: at middleweight. He's fighting have been. You know, it's a draw.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: It's a draw. And I thought Bill dickiy would I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: think you did too. But your point is like that
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: guy was number three ranked in the w B Yeah,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that's up. Don't pretend like that's real and come on.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is when they'll do that, right,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: and then you got to box wreck. He's not even
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: ranked number one in this country, I mean, the second
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: best Germany here. You're like, do you're not even the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: best there? Dude? Like how can you.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Eat you know legitimately right exactly?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. You're like, now you're not even
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the best guy out of that, Like literally, how can
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: you be ranked like that? So the rest of the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: card you want to tell us, Tyez did a you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: know box? Uh pretty? You know, I like this jab.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: It was kind of uneven. It was like there was
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, there you go, that's nice, and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: another moments where it's like it's it wasn't altogether, the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: whole package wasn't on display for.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: How high I think of And I think this is
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: again the odds makers are like the independent are biter
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: of it. He was like a minus six hundred k
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: O favorite too against Jay Rock. Yeah, you know, it's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: not like I'm being too hard on him. I mean
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: he was like a.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: For those listening, that's you know, that's hard to bet on.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right exactly, And I like him a lot, and
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: to me, you know, not putting a real role out
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: of hurd on him, not getting him out of there
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: kind of a I mean, I'm not saying he won't
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: bounce back from it, and that's won't still make some noise,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: but you do have to go. And what you see
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: that was like like a semi loss. That was almost
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: like a semi loss not getting them out of there,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: you know, for for his status and how high I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: think of him, and the odds makers thought the same.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: So that was even with the you know, dominant win
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: on the cards, that that performance was disappointing to me.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't seem like he followed up on things
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: like the setup was there, you know, and okay, you
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: got in that nice jab, Okay, you're there, Oh go,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: and then it just yeah, we know Jay Rock's crafty
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: or whatever. We also know he's pretty chinny, you know
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's like, yeah, he's pretty good
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: fighter overall, he's clearly past his prime. And uh yeah,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: it was it's like he left a little something there.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Had he been how long? How far had he gone
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: in a fight? Had he been let's see here, Oh
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: he had gone ten And I thought, yeah, I thought
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: he had gone ten of course not the box wrecked. Yeah,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: you had gone ten twice, so that's not really an excuse. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: you'd gone ten twice and he just knocked up the dude.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: You know that Herd fought to a slit decision.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I mean, you know, like any
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: you know, he knocked out Garcia, you know that in
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: that breakout performance where you look who was a pretty
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: tough guy. A lot of people thought highly of Garcia,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: you know, and then yeah, he just he knocked out.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: And I did watch the Herd fight. I mean, Herd shot.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: We knew going in, you know, I'll tell you though,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: he rallied, he rallied and not stretch. I mean that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: was just like all on heart. If it would have
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: been a draw, I mean I would have myself, I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: could have lived with that. Yeah, but you know, it
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: would kind of be appropriate because to me, they had
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: that fight at the year level fight. I thought it
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: was fight of the year and they were in that
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: same era, you know, on that good PBC one hundred
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: and fifty four pound round robin. If they both retired
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: at the same time, like if there, if their last
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: fight was both both of their last.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Fight running back one more time.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Well they could if they needed one more pack together.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not good for your health, but that's probably not
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: a bad idea of money wise.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: If they want to keep fighting, I wouldn't mind that.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Now, if they want to keep I would say that
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: if they want to keep.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: They want to keep fighting, that is a good fight.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: And make that their farewell and then they both retire,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: even though we know that doesn't happen very often hardly. Yeah,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: that that and that would be fun. A yeah, if
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: they both retired after this, that would be good. But yeah,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: if they were going to keep fighting, I'd rather have
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: that than something else.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Let them a good spot for it too. That's a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: good call. It is. It's like the perfect time for
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: it in a sense. You know, nothing's perfect when these
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: guys are past their prime, but if they're going to fight,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: you know, it would be.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Entertaining and plus PBC you can tell you know. And
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: that is Al Hayman basically. I mean he's taken an
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: approach we've said a lot of times, but and it's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: not wrong. Like I could see his view on it,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: and I can see the opposing view, but I can
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: see his view on it too. He's obviously taken a
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: policy from day one to PBC that if you want
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: to continue fighting, yeah, I'm going to give you fights.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not you know, the other side.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Going to be easy, but we'll get you fighting. You know.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: The other side of the coin was they say, well,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: we're worried about the health, but really they're cutting you loose.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: You know, you've got something for that promotion and then
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: they're cutting you lose.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: That is a good point. Yeah, right, so that's not Yeah,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: that could put them in a worse scenario if they
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: do keep fighting too. You know, it's a weird less money. Yeah,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: that it's kind of an interesting point that we keep
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: mentioning when it comes to that.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: But it's worth mentioning with the PBC because if heard
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Herd has officially retired, but if he changes his mind,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: and if Jay Rock wants to keep going, I mean
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: you you know, PBC is going to keep giving them.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I think they'd have a slot for him for sure. Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a good armory fight to me.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was such a was such a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: great first fight and heard what it really was. You know,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: if her if they were going to both keep fighting,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sure her like to get the revenge before he
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: retire retire, But you know, if he's done and that's it,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to fault in one bit. He took
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of shots. He was one of my favorite
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: guys when he was fighting. Yes, just in recent years,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: you know, and I have said it, like, you know,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: he's just shot. It just needs to be over. I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: felt like so. But I thought watch him on these
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: prelims Saturday, you know, and knowing maybe that's it. It
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: was at least if that is it. He showed a
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: lot of heart in that round he did. He showed
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: exactly why we liked him exactly. It was like, man,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: this guy like he can dig deep.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he gave us a lot of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: like in a short amount of time, and that happens
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: when you fight that way, right. He really did give
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: us entertainment. And you know, just thinking back, it wasn't
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: even that long ago really, but yeah, those that fifty
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: four on Fox, a lot of it was on Fox too, Yes,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I mean they that was that was That was great drama.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I mean it looks really good looking back, especially with
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: where we're at now. I mean, in a way, ten
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: years is flown by because that's the people really and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: now they're their generation of guys that they built up,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: guys that we did get to know and that was
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: the idea of these two perfect example, Williams and Hurd.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: They're near the end now, like legitimately, it's just hard
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: to believe the way time goes by, and of course
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: a whattic time you you know, it goes when you're
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: much younger person.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: It's not right.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: But but you know, these guys are these guys that
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: we got to know through PBC, and they did get
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: us to know some people, which was the objective by
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: these appearances on Fox, like we're saying and other network TV.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: You know, these guys are winding down.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: So mine does fly though. I'm looking at it and
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: it literally was about a ten years from now because
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: that first card was March early March twenty fifteen. I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: mean ten years. Man. It flies. When you start to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: get a certain age, the time just flies.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: It does. But it's it's it's important to note because
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: you know some of what PBC in that sense we
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: know these guys, so part of that worked. But now
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: those guys are winding down. Yeah, I think while we're
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: talking about I should bring it up because it interested me.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: So a couple of days before the fight, when Steven
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Espinosa was on the brunch boxing space. I tuned in
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: because I find him for especially for the business.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Relatively realistic.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: It sounded to me realistic, so and I think he
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: was as always, but to me then sad the report
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: that I kind of didn't like some of the things,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: so I was right, kind of want to go out
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: there those. At least he was honest about it too.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: He was saying, you know, we know Pueo Martine might
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: not necessarily be the best, but it's on to pay
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: for review. But he didn't run from it, no, no
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: pun intended who he had fighted. But then what I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: didn't like, he said, because I don't think this is
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. He's usually real realistic. I think this
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: was a little bit unrealistic. He says, yeah, we got
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: to go with this pay per view now. It's it's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: where the sport's at, unfortunately, but we hope to whether
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: this period giving you more pay per views to maybe
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: get to another place. And I thought, I don't see
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: how that works. I don't see how less exposure over
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: a period of years. I just don't see how that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: gets you to another place. I don't see. So that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: was interesting. I thought he was implying I think it's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: fair to say that Canelo just really didn't want Benevidez
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: in the end. I mean, you know, it's pretty obvious,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: right right, that he.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Gets your most upfront money a couple of times that
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you've ever had, he don't take it, you know.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly that he is.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. Al Haman offered three
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: different packages over about a four or five year stretch
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: to him, and it always had Benevita's in the package,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: and that was always the most money too. And I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: hope at least Turkey offers him the fight, because that's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: all you can do. If you offer it to him,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: then you're off the hook, because like, hey, I tried, man,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: I tried, you know, And I really hope Turkey next
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: year even sound saying that sucks, but I hope next
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: year he does make a run at it at Benavita's.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Canela like, hey, man, right, you know, I don't know,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it just doesn't It just doesn't seem like
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: it's And also I thought you were going to get
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: that's a great point about the pay per view and
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: all that, but also he was very realistic about the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: amount of money that is no longer in the sport
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: that was invested, then it's out. And he started kind
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: of running through a lot of different stuff, and it's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff we've been talking about, you know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: where you're like yeah, And that's what I did appreciate.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: He was very realistic. He wasn't just gonna be like, well,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you know, there's the grass is always greener. It's like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: not always, not when it doesn't rain, you know.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the stuff of what's gonna happen in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: the sport and how the business affects what's gonna happen
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: in the ring. I felt like I wanted to hear it. So, yes,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: you know, it's stuff we talk about a lot. It
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: is important, you know. So he mentioned you know we yeah,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: you know you have some of the free Amazon fights,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't talking about that even that much. And
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: like I said, Espinosa to me is always pretty honest.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Like I kind of tried to get really optimistic last
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: week when we talked about like, oh and they're talking
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Spencer Zoo on Amazon, just like that would be too.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: But here in Steven Espinosa talk, I'm not saying that
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: one's not happening, but he didn't mention it, and he
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: didn't mention any other free Amazon ones and.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Like during the summer. But it's like, okay, well that's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: just you saying that you go to see it.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't feel too that. That's the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: part I didn't feel too good about. Like I don't
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: know if I mean he's being honest about it. I
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: get that, yeah, you but I don't. I don't. As
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: we always talk, but it is so crucial. I just
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: don't see how that gets the eyeballs right to build
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: up anybody. So and you know, but he'll at least talk.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: He was talking some about Jake Paul, which you have
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: to it's not really like an in the ring issue,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: like you and I say, you know, sometimes it's just
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: who sell who sells, So you gotta I think that's right.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: You gotta like start talking about the guy because where
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: the US state of boxing is, I mean, with with
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: the money he brings, he's right up there, so you know,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: try let's try to utilize it.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Gervante t that they actually had plans for a fight,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: not necessarily Jake Paul. I'm just saying in general after
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: the fight in the presser. He teased it and said, well,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna run this one back, but it was supposed
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: to be you may still hear it, you know, And
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: he was kind of vague with it because obviously he
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: just had a draw. But he did say that person
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: came to my locker. He was here, and it came
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: to my locker room, like Eastside Cruise came to his
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: locker room. But did Jake Paul come to his life?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: You know? And sort maybe is he going to fill
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: in for the you know.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some kind of a buddy thing there,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: so I mean.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Someone was weird about it. Was that the plan? You know,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Wall's got his own promotional thing, which
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: is done surprisingly well you'd have to at this point,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: but they seem like they're getting a little closer to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: PBC lately, so yeah, you know you kind of see
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: evidence of that, even though they haven't like put it together.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: But what, well that may be mean, I mean it could.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Mean so, yeah, it was just kind of it was
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting. I noticed that. It was just like,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: so you had your plan, so you already had an
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: opponent plant, so who the hell was it? Well, there's
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: only a handful of you know, so yeah, it just
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of made me think any other items
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: from the weekend. Obviously we had that Crocker Donovan disqualification
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: from overseas, Craig Richardson took care of McCrory.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Anything from just on the Donovan. Look, you know, you
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: hate to see a fighter get hurt out of the
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: after the bell and things. But I don't think this
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: has talked about because you know, you and I have
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: talked about it, and some people maybe not following as
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: long they kind of forget that. But usually you still
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: see a part of the referee instructions. It certainly was
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: for decades and decades. I mean it's protect yourself at
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: all times. So there was no moment like I get
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: it about the ref should be no one within the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: ten second jumping in. That is true, but also it's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: protect yourself at all times. Like yes, like there was
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: there was no moment like like where Crocker was like
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: dropped his hand like like I mean you're supposed to,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: And there was no like moment like where you were
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: looking like, oh he heard the bell and he dropped
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: his hands and then he got clocked I mean he
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: was just getting he just got clocked in a natural sequence. Yeah,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: he didn't change his actions because the bell rang and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: he needed to donovan and that that I was a
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: little old school on that. I found myself like you know,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: if a guy drops his hands and he's starting to
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: walk back to the court, Yeah, you know, bam. I mean,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: but like you know, it's it's protect yourself at all
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: time you're in emotion, Like where where was you know?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: It was kind of like where did the bell affect anything?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's where that Q was kind of bizarre
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't once again didn't think I think, you know,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: fandom got in the way of that. Yeah, you know,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: because it's like we see that man, just like you know,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: shots to the side of the head, in the back
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: of the head and on the neck, we see the
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: below the belt. We see it, man, We see it
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: all the time. It's not a weird thing to happen, right.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Sure I shouldn't say all the time, of course that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: all the time, but we see it, like throughout a year,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: you do see that, you know, right, And we've seen
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: some blatant ones where you're like, oh my gosh, you know,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: something should be done about that one, you know, But
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: like you said, it wasn't like he had his back turned.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: And right, yeh, it was like it was affected, like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: like what he did was affected by the bell ringing,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Like he thought, Okay, there's the bell, it's over. I'm
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: now I'm dropping my gloves and walking away. That would
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: not be to protect yourself at all times. But like
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: this is like, you know, there was any a chance
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: where he's reacting to the bell in his behavior or anything.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: So and if it is a little after the bell,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: like I said, the stuff happens, man, it's not. I
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: don't think he went out of his way to you know,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: there's other ways to do it. We've seen it, you know,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: we've seen at the end of fights, you know, trainers
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: get involved, boxers hitting trainers. Like there's all sorts of that.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: That's wild, you know. But yeah, I thought that was
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: kind of strange.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: One thing I saw I would just mention. I wouldn't
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: consider it from like necessarily a credible source. So I
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's true yet, But somebody allegedly put
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: the bivol beater better be if purses on the card.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: And to me, they were almost like low enough so
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: to speak, not that they're not more than they wouldn't
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: have gotten paid, say from somebody else, but that almost
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: made me believe him, because it wasn't somebody like try
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: and attack it. They were putting it up like kind
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: of like a look how high these are an ey
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: to myself, ten or fifteen or whatever. They have this
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: this this thing said they posedly got ten apiece.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I saw that too. I saw the first they were
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: basing enough certain pay per view sales on one of them.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's not happening. But I can
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: still see what they made, you know, I could see
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: that not based off the pay per view revenue. But yeah,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: that's why I thought they would be.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And then like because I would believe
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: a number like this like like this, but but maybe
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: to risk it, I don't know, I don't know. Like
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: they they claimed Bacoli got six hundred thousand, I mean, yeah,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: you know, he's heavy, not even getting a million bucks.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Like if that, I don't know if that's true. That's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: the thing. You don't know if it's credible. But like
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I would have thought, and you saw what Fury Music
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: made and stuff, I would have thought, I if that
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: was accurate, I actually would have thought it would be
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: higher maybe right, right, but you know in this sense though,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: it's very high. Like but I know why I wanted
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: to I know why I wanted to bring it up
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: though was and this would fit into the overpayment like
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of marketability. But this is a Turkey ala
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: chic thing. But his fans wouldn't see it. But to
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: me it jumped out. I mean, a guy who has
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: no entertainment value, no marketability bevol getting ten million dollars
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: for a rematch when he didn't get the decision in
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: the first fight. That's where I'm thinking, Like Eddie, this
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: is my theory. I don't think it's even conspiracy theory
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: because the circumstantial evidence there is, like it just seemed
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: to me like Eddie Hearn, Eddie Hearn was a hard
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: driver on that Bivol that rematch. Because see then I'm
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: looking at that like if there's anybody to me like
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: overpaid on that card, like for like a turkey overpaid,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: think what you will, but I'm going to say it
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: because of the entertainment value marketability coming off the loss
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: of the first one, Bivol getting ten million dollars. But
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: that fits with That's what I mean, That's what I'm thinking, Like,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: what's Eddie exactly? That's what I'm getting at, and I
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: think that is real. What's Eddie? That's what I exactly
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: what I'm good at. What's Eddie's percentage of that ten million?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: You know, what's he getting out of that? Because Eddie's
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: heavily tied in with his own as well, So you
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: know that that's to me where I'm seeing like that,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: that's a little bit of you don't even though these
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: were the two top guys in the division. I get
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: all that, and the fights were good, you know, they
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: weren't classics to me, but they were good, both of them.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: You know, there's definitely skill involved.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: But like you just can't get lost in the sauce.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Eddie Hearn kind of pushing that readingmatch and then even
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: though it's post fight, well there was a little bit
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: pre fight. You had better BFA and I really didn't
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: want this fight. Yeah, but he but before the fight,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: he was trying to go in a different direction for
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: a while too. I just think Hearn drove that, and
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: it makes me wonder, you know, with Hearn. Yeah, if
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have three, it'll be if he If Hearn
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: things involved, definitely definitely gonna win, Like, there won't be
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: a three if her things, there's any doubt.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: I think there'll be some about the move.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, so I'll call that one because I think
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: that all probably has to do with having another Canalo fight,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: right yep.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: And speaking of to not have that much value after
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: you beat Canello, that's really telling exactly not a good sign.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: You know, I agree a million percent, And I always
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: felt that was exactly what was so dramatic and correct, Chris,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Your point is exactly crucial and right, right, he got
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: a Canelo win, and the guy's style was so unappealing,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: and he performed so poorly in terms of entertainment value
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: against lesser opposition. He did very little for his marketing value.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if Sadi wasn't there, he didn't parlay that.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: And the ship really exactly, you know, I agree.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, even if he goes he went on to
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: get a good winn or whatever, it's still like, man,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: that's it's this is pretty crazy. And then it goes
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: to like kind of the run of the mill boxing stuff,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like, well, how much influenced? Like what I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: liked about Turkey at the start is the promoters didn't
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: influence him whatsoever. In fact, he wanted to talk to
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: the manager and the boxer first, then we'll talk to
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: the p and that's what I actually did, like that
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: because like, k that's how you do it. You know,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: don't let anybody you know, skew the water. But now
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: you're tied in and you now you're ten percent of
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: the zone and now you're like, gosh, it's the start.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: You see him telling the guy he wants to win, Hey,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: you gotta win two rounds. You know, it starts to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: be like run of the mill boxing. You know this
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: just we've seen this before, you know, so it's kind
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: of interesting. So a couple of things out of the box.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on, you know, the card that
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: they're having in New York. Obviously, Lopez and Barbosa is
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: a legit fight, you know, the main event isn't we
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: already talked about, you know, ro League, good for you,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: but it's not something I'm gonna be. This is run
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: of the mill. It's run of the mill stuff. Just go.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: We already said go. They both are out for a year.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Just fight Ryan Garcia Devin Haney. They got a rematch,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: then go to the rematch. Don't build up the rematch
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: because there's plenty of things to sell. I mean, he
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: but he got busted the pop positive, he knocked him
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: down a bunch. You can sell that right there. But anyway,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I'll always say that. You know, I do like that
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: other fight though, the the third fight on the bill,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: which is weird, but I do like that. But what
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on We don't know exactly how it's
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: gonna play out, but on the Times Square thing? Now,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: should you just do the Wayne at Times Square and
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: having at a venue or just this maybe one off?
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: We talked about attention, We talked about eyeballs. I do
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: like that type of vibe. If you're not worried about
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: the gate, and you're if you're a fighter, not worried
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: about the gate. You know, if you sell tickets and
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: you're not getting compensated, that would suck. You're like, now,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: why are we going to have this thing? But what
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: do you think of that? Because you draw some attention.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: I will say that draws some attention, but could it
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: just be done with a weigh in. I don't know.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: You know, these fights to be aren't the greatest. But
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: what I do like about the whole thing, I'm gonna
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: go yes in favor of it. What I like about
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: this card is Turkey Arashikh's doing a couple of things
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: that I've called for. He's he's he's trying, he's legitimately
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: trying to do something for US sensibilities, and he's doing
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: the media capital of the US, if not the worst world,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: So Times Square, even if there's no crowd, I think
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: that's cool. I think since he I always I've always
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: taken the position, since the ring has been you know,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: bought by Golden Boy and now Turkey al Sheet that
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: I'd still rather have somebody keep it going and for
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: it to die because of the history.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: And we are already with a promoter anyway.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Right So if so, I think it is a pretty
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: good use of it. There's other things I'd like to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: see him do, but at least with the promotional end
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: of it, the name doing it for you, using them
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: for a US sensibilities card in Times outside the use
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: of it, it's a good use of the name the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: ring too, with the history, so I like all that.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: I just wish it was with fights of hair better.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, like I wish he was doing this with
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: like right, like with Haney and Garcia fighting each other.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: And then the code feature tale female Barbosa.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now you know something like that.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: That would be even though that does have a chance
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: to be a slow fight too.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: Obviously, right, but but that would be much much better.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: But that would be much better to me, like just
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: doing something like that, I mean, that would be I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: like what he's doing here. I just would like to
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: see the quality of matchups be just a little bit higher,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: because if he wants to make a big splash with
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: the US sensibilities, he's throwing around a lot of money,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: why not just maybe throw a little more around and
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: just have a little bit better fights. But in times
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: seem to run a block square block out. Well that's true.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: I got to give him that. I don't know how
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: to put that off. I mean, that's it can't be cheap.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: That's impressive. I mean, I don't know, I don't that
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: part how. I don't know how he's pulling that part.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Off, because the only other time I remember was the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Canelo in mayweather uh press conference, and they had it
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: in Type Square, you know, because they have like ten
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: cities they went to, remember, they went to Mexico, they
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: went to they went everywhere. But I do like it.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's a little outside the box, especially in
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: the revenue thing, where he obviously doesn't care a whole
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: lot about revenue per se. So it's like the fighters
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: are probably the main event, would get strewed if they
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: always did that, but they're not because of the pay
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: that he's given them. So I do like the outside
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: of the box. I think it is a way to
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: bring visibility. Whether that will rise to zone up or not,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: that's just something else. But I do like the attention.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: It is eyeballs, it is word of mouth. There's a
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: lot of people from New York or vacationing that go
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: to that area and they're like, what's this all about?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: You know, and you know they're going to paper it,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: like there's gonna be some advertising for it.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: They'll get free they'll get a lot of free media
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: coverage in New York, which is exactly smart boxing is
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: not getting that like it used to. But this will
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: get it. It'll get it.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: It's nice to even see that billboard in New York
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: for this last fight. He's like, Hey, what do you know? Like, Wow,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: let's get back to that. So I do like it.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Some people think it's a little gimmicky, but I like it.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I like the idea. It's not something I necessarily want
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: to do all the time, per se, but I do
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: like it. I think it's a worthy thing. Beyond what
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: you said. But that whole weekend, I hear, Oh, it's
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: going to be a busy weekend, But look at the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: main events. John, you got Rollie and Ryan, you got
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Canelo fighting you know, skull, and then you got Anyway
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: fighting a fight that do we need? Do we need
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: that fight? So they say it's a busy week and
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: sinking them out. Yeah, but the main events are just showcases.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it too. I mean,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Canelo is already a minus three thousand favorite. That seems
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: high to me. But still again, that's going to be
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: the perception going in. In a way, he's going to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: be a monster favorite. Note Boss, So I'm with you exactly,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: like those those are fights. Hey, that's where people got
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: to be realistic. Sure it's Canelo, Sure, it's in a way,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: but they're not fights we need. They're just not so
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: so kind of like who cares.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like all busy. Yeah it's busy, but what's
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: that mean? You know, Like I just you know, that's
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: why we always bring up because you gotta if you're
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: gonna criticize, then be consistent. That's all we're saying. These
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: are run of the mill boxing fights. Doesn't say that
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: other promotional companies haven't made these exact type of fights
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: they have. That's our point. You're not changing anything if
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: you're doing just this shit.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: You know, and again what we're talking about we're already
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: seeing this is this is what gets senseless, Like, oh
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Na Katani's gonna fight another guy with a with a
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: bank of belt who's who's well below them in a way,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: and Na Katani should be fighting in a way, shouldn't
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: be fighting some mismatch. Kna Katani's fighting a guy who
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if he's got bantam white belts. Yeah,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be a massive favorite. We don't need it.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Get these guys together.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: Before they get before it anyway gets out of his prime.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: To me, he's he's in that kind of tank thing
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: like because weight he's at, he's moved up to it
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: all so you getting high, but he's taking the lesser opposition.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: He's also in that boat. The fade could be any fight,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, any fight could be the favor an away with.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: And he's made it clear he doesn't want to go
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: to featherweight this year. Okay, cool? Then make the one
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: twenty two fight. Have Knakatani come up. Who's really tall? Right?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: He can hold that weight? You know, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just so funny how it just gets
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: skipped man singing a mile bro it is stacked. It's like,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, if tail feel O Barbosa is the best fight.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: I love it as a matchup at the at the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: weight class, but to be honest, it could get a
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: little little like who's gonna, you know, playing tag in
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: a sense, it's not a great style match up really,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: you know, per se.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Barbosa brings no power. He throws a lot, but he
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: brings no power and boxed because he likes to wait
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: the counter.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Yep. And Barbosa is not going to make those mistakes.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Probably, I hope would be. Barbosa keeps his volume up
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: but if Barbosa started getting cautious and he and you know,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Barbosa doesn't bring any power.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: So totally legit fight though, love that part of it.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: There's just no doubt about that.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Now, totally legiti fight.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I'm glad they made it because that's
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: the fight that we've actually been talking about for about
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: a year or two, like, just make that fight or
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: some of these fights. So I do like that all
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: right real quick. So you know, originally we heard about
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: this this league right then it was kind of in
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: the background. Then the WBC came out with a you know,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: thirty six thirty two participants in each division john one
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight athletes. Wooh, these are good stats.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Forty one participant in countries Okay, yeah, now you're talking globe, Okay, great,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: five magnificent events taking place in Saudi. No draws, decision
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: results in every fight. So are you going an extra
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: round then open scoring after two, four and six providing
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: transparency or trans yeah, and then instant replay A yeah. Yeah,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: So there there's six and then I'm pretty sure once
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: you get to the final the eight rounders, which I
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: wish it was eight and ten if you're gonna do
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: it that way. But so you know how we said
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: that the league if there's only fifteen fighters in each division,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: even though they'd be thinning out the divisions, which is
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: something we liked, it still is like, well, where are
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: the prospects? Then, dude, who's ranking the top fifteen? We
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: need to know that that's important right.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Is this the prospect answer to that? Because it's two
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: different you know what I mean? Because now you hear
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: you know TK, you hear that they actually do have
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: something in the background, but they're gonna get paid. You know,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: it's a league. What kind of league? Are they going
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: to buy up everybody? Like you said, we said that
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: in the start, if you're gonna have a league, you
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: better own everybody then. And we're saying that in a
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: in a boxing sense, not own people. But you know
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's contract. So what are we?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: What do we what are we? What are we thinking?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's I just say? I don't take the
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: WBC seriously. I think this is kind of an alphabet
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: example and maybe a little bit of some of the
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: other promoters are afraid of this Dana White TKO thing
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: possibly coming around reality with Turkey, HOWI chic behind it.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: It's just like the WBC to b being a cockrow
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: just trying to, you know, proactively find some sort of
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: survival stance. So I can't I can't see the WBC
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: can't pull something like that off.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: That's like four rounds with any kind of four rounds,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: and then if you're dealing with and then the age
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: gap was twenty six and down, which actually could could
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: have a major advantage for the for the European fighters
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: that stay in and then come pro at twenty four
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: and they're like ready to go, you know, like, so
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: what's the first round going to look like? One through
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: thirty two? Are we gonna do it like Sweet sixteen
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: coming up? Or like to me, it sounds like a
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: bunch of mismatches and then oh we got a good
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: fight in the Setis I don't even know, like.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: I under see it not again who's ranking it or
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: or if it came off, it would be of such
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: low quality. That's what I'm thinking was in it that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't take it seriously. I've been just watching,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: you know, is Dana White gonna get involved with Turkeyosh
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: and this TKO thing or you know, because you know,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I want the fighters to make as much as possible.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: But with that understood, you know, boxing is just not
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: working the way it is, you know. I I'd rather
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: have something where you know, we got one champ less
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: weight classes and it's and it's organized. I mean, boxing
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: can have some charm with the chaos, but we need
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: somebody to put some order like that. I think PBC
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: wanted to do it, and you got the alphabet's getting
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: in the way and then kind of the obsolescence of
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: parts of the ALI act. I want the fighters to
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: make it as much as possible. Uh So you know
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: I'm all in favor of that. And if that's the
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: over can get out of hand and disrupt the market
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: exactly where it's just not functioning. Like I said, sometimes
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: we have to look at we've got we've got people
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: risking their brain health getting paid one thousand dollars a fight.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't tell me boxing is working when that's
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: happening and there's no health insurance, no anything, So you
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: can't you know, like people don't look at the lower ends. Yeah,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: I want the boxers to make as much as possible,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: but it's really a travesty at the lowest levels.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, so we know who can generate their own revenue
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: we already know. So the rest of the fighters, which
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: is the majority, exactly.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: The majority, right, Yeah, there's nothing really set up for
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: them to make even adequate money because they got to
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: pay trainers and managers and promoters. If you've got to
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: pay your own.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Training replacements random different states, you know.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no real good way set up for them
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: to make any kind of money. The majority, the vast majority, boxers,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: even with that high risk so.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: And the small promoters are getting pushed out the last
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: fifteen years, you know.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly right, right, it doesn't work. So you know, if
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: you had kind of one organization like that captive, I
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: do think it would be better for the fighters on
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: the lower end. Yeah, now I hate to have cap
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I mean to me, we're not getting that, you know,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: you don't get that like in the UFC. But you know,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: if you're what I'd like to see if they started
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: one of these things is like a true revenue share.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Like we saw how much the promotion was making and
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: it's like promotion is going to take blank and boxers
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: are going to take blank. Ye and hopefully a really
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: high percentage for the boxers. That would be like really ideal.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's going to happen, but no, but
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: that would be like that, Yeah, that would be ideal.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: Like we we don't get to see enough. I mean,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: how much are the promoters making. It's never, it's never
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like with managers, we know what they can make, right,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: we know it's that thirty three point three or whatever
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: it is, that number, but not that many. You know
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: how it's almost crazy that at a smaller level those
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: managers are probably just you know, just taken. But once
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: you get a bigger then they actually take less percentage wise,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like al it was ten years ago the
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: Sports Business Journal they had that couple in depths in
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: the articles that were really good. Actually, of course the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: boxing media were just pissed that they didn't get it,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: so they didn't really talk about that, but they actually
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: explained a lot of the potential goals and the whole idea.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: And they said in there that as the fighter, as
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: the Hayman fighter gets into the ten and fifteen and all,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: that his percentage went down, so he already set the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: standard of fifteen, which was not the standard before he
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: got in, and actually the standard for some people to
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: get a title shot, you'd have to give away five
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: percent of your rights for the rest of your career.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: So some guys were getting four or five managers cut
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: up in there. It was horrible, you know what I mean?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's yeah, I don't know. I do have
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: more faith in the other one than this WBC. Would
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: you know every year.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: They put a tournament together, this time they always take
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, right.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: This one has more details. But I think it'll happen.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: But like you said, I think it's gonna be mismatches.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: How long is this thing? So it's all in one
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: weekend or all in one night, or it's over the
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: whole year, you know?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: You know me, I want I want the alphabets out.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, wherever we're gonna go, I want the alphabets out.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: So it's got to me. It's just got to start there.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: There's no there's no place for it to get better.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: With that minute.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: And they said that their their fee, their promoter fee,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: would be ten million dollars in a vet Now a
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: handful of years ago, you can make a lot of
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: damn good fights with that kind of money. Right now though,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: with you know, with just a coming in paying twenty
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: thirty forty minute, now Saudi paying thirty forty fifty, you know,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know exactly. But then again, if
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: there's a shortage, because there's a lot of money out
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: what Steven Spinoza says, I think they could find a
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: lot of fighters and pay him solidly, you know, but
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: they said they'd get ten million an event.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: You know, Well, one thing that maybe helps her fits in.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: I did put it out on X I found. I'm
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: surprised he didn't get more attention because he you need
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: to see more of this. He talked about it and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: intelligently and had the right points. Keyshawn Davis did lash
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: out and say, why the hell am I paying the
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: alphabet sanctioning fees? We don't need these people. I mean,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: the guy is absolutely and he's a young he's a
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: young guy.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's well studied.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: He's absolutely right. That's what I like when he knows history.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: But he's absolutely right. And he said was exactly right,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: and I always saw it Keyshawn's way, I mean, just stop.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the fighters used to do it
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: more twenty years ago and stuff. I don't know what's
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: going on today, because you really need it even less frankly,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: like like Keyshawan said, what what am I giving these
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: guys money for? We don't need this. I mean, you
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: know we're marketing it like we don't need that to
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: make the fight or anything like that. You know, there's all.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: These how many unifications did Pat Yell and Mayweather fight?
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Right exactly?
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: And tell you off the top of my head.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: No, you don't know exactly what I think.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: It's zero, you know leny you know, and they dumped
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: the belt sometimes right after it. Yeah, I go after yourself.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: I don't want I don't care. Circus, you're not what
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: what belt was Jake Paul Mike Tyson for right, Yeah,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: I mean bel had nothing, nothing to do with it,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. It just defeats this belt talk nobody.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: You don't need. I mean, I would like to see
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: fighters like Keyshawn just say I'm not giving the alphabets
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: this sanctioning money. I mean people have done in the past,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: they've gotten away from it now, but you don't you
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: don't need it. I mean, you know this is it's
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: just bullshit marketing, Like Canelo doesn't need to pick up
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: an alphabet belt from Skull before he fights Terrence Crawford.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: But it's going to be two time John. You know,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: this is for the history book.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: I thank god Moro is not announcing that fun not
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: not saying that they won't do it.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: Archives or talking about two time will become the two times,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: one and six chip, you know, the first time, and
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: I'll be thinking, like, have you ever heard of Henry
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: Armstrong and you're fighting in four of the original eight
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: classes for one title, you know, picking up three out
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: of the four and having a draw in the fourth,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: Like it's like an insult, you know, Like.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: The reality is he gave him his belt, he's taking
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: it back, that's all, you know what I mean.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: At an alphabet weight I'm sorry, but you know, at
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: a at an alphabet weight class, we don't need Sure,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: that's going back thirty plus years, but it's still true,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: and you know, exactly like you don't need a us
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: Keishawn Davis gets it. He totally gets it. I mean,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: I hope he keeps the same attitude. You know, he's
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: just one of an alphabet.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Help the people around him, Yeah, help guide his career.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: Has that attitude because that's that's what needs happens Jenner
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: usually because he's not at the point to U fully
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: control it. I guess you could say, you know what,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's really close to that. He could do it,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, it's like alls it would take
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: is like a handful of people to do it. Then
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: it'd be the cool thing to do. You know.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it can happen. It can happen. But Knealo
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: is not helping with stuff like picking up this. But
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: again he's doing that for his interest because that's where
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: the alphabet stuff is crap, because and it's not just Canlo,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: it's all of them. He knows that's an easier fight.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: He's a minus three thousand favorite. But then there's a
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: marketing cell. Oh I need this alphabet belt, you know,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: before I fight Crawford. So it's quote unquote unified, I
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: mean sort of going to give you a crap fight.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: And and but you know, I don't think anybody buys
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: it for that. I think they weigh over rate the
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: marketing Yeah value with that, I think they do. I
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: mean people want to see a good fight.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And ultimately names are what do it?
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Right exactly?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: People that are going to watch the Crawford Canelo is
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: not gonna be like, dude, this is for They're gonna
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: be like, no, I know Crawford, he kicked the ship
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: out of Spence, right, you know that that's really what.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see if he can go up
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: and do this. That's all right, that's all exactly. It's
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: not about alphabet belts.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well anything else you want to
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: get off your chest or anything like that.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: Or no, that's about it, Chris, I think we got
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: it all covered.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Well tonight, there we go, all right, John, you have
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: a good night. How much going on this coming weekend? Now?
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: College basketball is about to take over everything for a
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Is playing Utah right now. I don't know what the
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: score is, but I.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Was gonna say they're still right there trying to get
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: in there that thing.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah there there. I think mind has got to be
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: in right now. But they mean this is their last
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: road regular game. They could use one more non home
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: court win.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my and my gofers are trying to stay in
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: the actual Big Ten tournament. You know it's so big
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: now you can't be the last three to stay out
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: of the three just to get in the tournament. So yeah,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: that's what we're we're coming to. All right, you have
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: a good one, have a good one.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Good talking about yes, sir.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: All right, So not a whole like I said, not
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of talk as far as this weekend goes.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Not to say that there's not fights. I mean, because
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: there is. By the way, Pro Box has got a card.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: By the way, people out there, people out in the world.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: If you haven't, if you haven't watched Pro Box, you should.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of people go with the showbox thing.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: I don't see the showbox thing per se. I think
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: it's there's there's definitely some showbox ish to it. It's close,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: it's showbox ish, but I would say it's closer to
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: like fairly solid Friday night fights ESPN mid level, you
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: know what I mean That that's what that's my personal
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: opinion on that. But it's solid. And you know, for
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: so long the mid level that we just talked about
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: the last ten years BBC popped off with all those
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: cards per year than ESPN and Top Rank and blah
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: blah match Room and his own and you know, we've had.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: We have too much fights really on if we're being honest,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: I've said that for years and that's just that's just
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: what it is. But you know, I'm a hardcore boxing fan,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm gonna eat it up. But it's
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: just solid, you know, it's solid. They have enough money
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: to do what they gotta do. So yeah, I think
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: you should. You know, you can get the I would
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: it's on YouTube or whatever, but I pay for the
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: app because why not. It's very cheap. It's not much
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: to it, so it's not like you're you know, but
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: they do have like a full card and you should
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: check it out. Man. You know, you do have some
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: names that you may recognize. Joet Gonzalez isn't a featherweight fight.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of six rounders that are interesting. What
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: is that cut kind of a guy? Is that? That?
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Ernold dude? Uh? Nicholas Walters is back against the Vealezuela.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: That is Friday, sorry, Saturday, my bad, Saturday the eighth.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like I said, it's super cheap, and why
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: not give them a little bit of in my opinion anyway,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: why not give them a little bit of money on
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: the app. It's not going to cost you much. It's
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: super cheap. So I do have the app. I've got
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: it up with it at times on YouTube, but I
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: just pay for the that not, you know, because it
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't cost you much. It's really cheap. So so the
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: zone does have a card from good old Fantasy Springs,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: so that that's something to keep an eye on. Flores
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: Is the is the main event there. Flora is and uh,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: it's like Jorge le Bas or something like that in
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: sky Sports, which is I'm sure you can find it
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: out there. It's not you know, it's from my understanding,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: it's uh on Peacock anymore. But Natasha Jonas and Laura
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: Price and you have Dubois on their Caroline du Bois
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: among other fights. That's Friday night, Friday, I guess late
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: afternoon here you have you Bank McKenny. That's that's also Friday.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: That's Channel five over there, So I mean you Zona
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: has another card Friday night as well, so you know
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: Gonzalez Rodrigo as well. I forgot about that. Actually that's
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: in Philly. Yeah, that is in Philly, isn't it Okay? Yeah, anyway, sorry,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: I totally forgot about it. I thought that was the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: next week. So you know when these and that's on
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: b x n G dot TV. I always say it, like,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: you know, these weekends, it doesn't It's like, oh there's
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: a pro box I'll check it out. Oh there's this
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: fight like that. That that UK fight, the first one
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: that I mentioned. You know, i'd say that's you know
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: the move. I guess, high profile fight, right, uh, Jonas
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: and in Price. So yeah, but I always say like,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: you know, these weekends, man, sometimes shit just pops off
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, okay. You know, like I don't
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: think Daboise, you know, Caroline de Ball, I think she'll
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: handle business. Chloe Watson is in a very competitive fight,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: and and you know, I think Lauren Price is. I
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: think Natasha has like an outside chance, but that it's
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: it's competitive. I think, uh, it's probably in the same realm. Actually,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: let me check really quick on pro boxings dot Com. Yeah,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: it's about the same mckennay. McKenna is plus two seventy
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: five plus three hundred, and that's right in the range
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: plus two fifty plus three fifty where Natasha's at. So yeah,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: nothing too crazy, right, nothing too crazy, But yeah, let
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: me see he so, yeah, my opinion on that, Like
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: I mentioned on that, you know New York card, the card,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: I don't love the card, but the outside the box.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: I remember, I don't know who I had this conversation with,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: but remember not long ago, how they were going to
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: have I want to say it was with the Zone,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: but they were going to have a fight take place
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: on a skyscraper like that. There was a tennis match
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: on a skyscraper. I think there's been something else, you know,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: even that, I don't, I don't mind. I did get
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: some message just here saying what'd you think of the presser? Yeah,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: the pressure was pretty weak. Get Dougie out of there
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: for one just that'll that'll help right there. But yeah, no,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: it was kind of you know, it's funny, the production
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: was kind of weak and they were having issues. Because
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: you have issues, it's no big deal. But yeah, I
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: did notice that. You know that Turkey had a lot
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: to say about the production and things happening and you know,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: the PBC stuff, but then his ship was weak. But anyway, yeah,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't mind that at all, you know,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: I don't mind that. I think that's pretty good. Okay.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: So I got a message and I did see this
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk about it. So this was
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: from Boxing Voice, and I personally know nest Or Gifts.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: I know ness, Okay, I've had conversation with them, and
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: for me, me and him talking, we're on this. We've
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: been on the same page. You know, We've had good conversations.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: I've always been cool with them, you know, just to
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: be honest, you know. Now, he said something about Valezuela,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: how basically the PBC is Al Hayman is biased towards
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: Hispanic fighters, right, Mexican fighters, Hispanic fighters whatever, right. And
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that, like whatever, right, but
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what he said. And he used
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Valenzuela as an example because all of a sudden, you know, basically,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: he made it kind of sound like after the Cruise fight,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: as an underdog, he should have got us like a
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: maybe not a stay busy, but you know, in easy
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: out or whatever, like like a decent fight and then
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: get challenged again. And we do see that, I mean,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: his point, to his point, we do see that, you know,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: in boxing a lot. But I just think this is
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: about like, first of all, like the Cuban and the
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: Dominican boxing in the last chunk of years, Right, who's
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: done more for because we're talking in general or not
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: just talking about Mexican fighters, right, So who's done more
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: for Cuban fighters? I don't know. I couldn't tell you
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: who else besides that I'm Dominican. I mean, who's had
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: the most Dominicans fighting originally you know, or at least tied?
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: You know, like I you know, it is what it is.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: You can say this fight should have been higher on
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: a card or you know, that's all fair. Some of
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: that I shouldn't say it's all fair, but that's a
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: fair Sometimes that's there. Other times it goes. Uh, It's
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: kind of happens organically too. If you if you fight
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: a certain style, guess what you know you're not gonna
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: get There's no matter if you have one hundred and
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: fifty fighters or forty fighters, there's gonna be a pecking order.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: That's just how it goes. And Leo Santa Cruz got
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit for some of his fights he took. Overall,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: he fought a lot of good competition, but the order
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: in which he fought them. Danny Garcia is another one
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: Puerto Rican American fighter who if you look at his
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: resume and it is stacked, but it was the order
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: in which people didn't like it. It's funny because as
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: he came to be a prospect to a contender and
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: a contender to a champion, he didn't get matched. He
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: got match hard with gold Boy, and they it didn't
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: look like they were invested in him for shit really
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: because they they gave him tough fights, tough fights as
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: a as a prospect and a contender, and then ultimately
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: he had to get over the hump. You know, he
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: was a you know, underdog to KM, knocked his ass out,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: underdog to Mattias too. But then after that he got
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: the a side role for the most part, right, and
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: people had a lot to say. So it goes both ways.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: Especially Leo Santa Cruz. I mean, I think he's a
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: very undervalued fighter, but I do understand at times the
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: order in which he fought guys, you know for sure,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: But with Elanzuela, I just think I think that I
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: think this is a bad example, I really do, because
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: you know, he pulled Austin Dulay, he won that fight.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: Actually I saw that fight because it was here. His
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: next fight, he got Francisco Vargas. We know where Francisco
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: Vargas was at that time. Now, maybe Ness wasn't talking
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: about that type of matchup. Maybe somewhere between Russell and
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: Vargas would ever. But he got it right. He got
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: that fight right after then he got the fight, went
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: three rounds right with Del Santos. He lost the fight.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: So what he gets very in the next fight after
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: losing the fight to Edwin Del Santos, he got a
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: fight with Chris Colbert. So they're both in the same
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: boat where they're coming off losses, you know, because he
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't under he wasn't undefeated at that point. Chris Colbert,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: he didn't get the decision. I thought he should have
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: got the decision. Many people did. They gave him the rematch,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: So I just think and then he went up to
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: one for a belt. How many guys he'd beat at
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: one forty to get in line for a belt if
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: you want to do that, you know, So yeah, I
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: just think it's a poor example. It doesn't line up
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: with you lost the Deloos got Cobt. Many people, like
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: I said, Dot he won the fight, and they gave
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: him the direct remat. They gave him the fucking remat.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: So it's like that doesn't line up, and then they
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: put him in with East SoC Yes, he was a
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: big underdog. It's like plus four hundred some places. I
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: think some places had it higher than four hundred, some
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: some like three something. Either way, he was clearly he
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't underdog in that fight. But you know, and now
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: to get Russell Russell and lost too, you know, and
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: remember like first of all, he's signing the dotted line.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: Second of all, that was his seventeenth fight as a professional.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: That's moving a guy along. That's not just saying hey,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: you know. You know, Invenzuela, some guys didn't have this
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: type of career where they're gonna get into real fights
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: earlier than other guys, and some guys have to beat
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: a prospect like Dulay and then they're in the mix
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: and it just happens organically. So I think it's like
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm I could text Ness right now and
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: he work cool. We're cool, all right. I got nothing
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: but positivity to say about Ness when it comes to
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: knowing him as a person. However, when it comes to this,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: to me, that's seems like engagement because I don't. I
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: I just disagree strongly that Al Hayman is biased towards
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: Hispanic fighters, Mexican fighters, And all you gotta do is
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: look at what Leo Santa Cruz, the ship that he got.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: You know, he lost to Frampton. What do he did?
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: He got the rematch? Okay, well, I mean, you know, like,
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: and he did get some fights that were like, eh, eh,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: he's gonna stay busy whatever, you know. So I think,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: like I said, I think Leo Santa Cruz very underrated.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: I don't I think he is a Hall of Fame fighter.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: When the guy like Frampton gets the Fighter of the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: Year and you were the best win that year and
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: then you beat him, and a lot of people was
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: saying he ain't shit against Tank, and he fought well
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: against Tank and he got iced, he got ice, but
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: he did fight well, way better than people said he would.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I just disagree with him. I just I'm
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. But hey, that's what
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: this is all about. Nessa's from the old school as
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: far as his boxing thing. Don't forget about that. The
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: boxing Voice has been around a long long time, and
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of people forget that. You know, he's a
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: very hard working dude in this business. I would you know,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: if you don't know that that that's on you. But
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I agree with that point, because I
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: do think that's like fishing for something, to be honest,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: but that's my opinion. It is what it is. I
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: just I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's about it go too deep into it.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, I hope they get a rematch. And
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: you know, Lamont, by the way, I should say Lamont
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: has uh all of a sudden, Lamont is like has
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: some options for fights, but obviously you know there's a
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: rematch clause. Got Javonte can exercise and I hope he
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: does because you know a lot of his fans fan boys.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: Popular fighters always have the more fan boys, right, Cadelo, everything, everybody, pack,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Yel Mayweather, everybody, every the more popular are the more
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: fan boys, ye, right, And there's no excuse, uh, you know,
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: for his performance, there is no excuse. So it has
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: been funny to hear some stupid shit about him. But
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: like even Lamont saying he was scared. That's why I
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: put the rematch close. And it's like, all right, that's
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: a very that's that's a common thing. But I do
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: think there is something to that sparring that he in
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: the style and the inside fighting and the short punches
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: he was able to land. And so yeah, I really
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: hope they they they roll that thing back, you know,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: it needs it. There was a report by Ring Magazine
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: The Ring has learned that representatives for Davant's actually hold on.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: Someone sent me this, but did I see this on
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: brunch Boxing first? I don't. I didn't see it first, actually,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: so I just remember people talking about it, So I
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: actually didn't track this either way. Shouts out the brunch
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: Boxing but this is in my message thing with a
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: screenshot of the ring. So they said, you know, but
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: I do remember now seeing it later. I believe that
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: bunch Boxing also reported or did report this. A representative
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: Tank Davis reached out to Top Rank talking about loma Chenko, which,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: by the way, going into this fight anyway, that was
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: one against two. That was for lineal. Everyone likes to
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: talk about unifications and lineal and the man that fought
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: the man, it's still one against two. You could have
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: your you know, debate about it. You could say this.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: You could say that clearly, especially Floyd when he was
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: running his career more, it had more input anyway, obviously
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: a lot more back then. It seems that that they
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: they were on their own pace and they weren't looking
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: to fight Loma. They actually, as much as I don't
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: agree with it, I do like how they just said it.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: They're not going to sit there and boogieman people and
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: all that. They said, hey, we're on a different course,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: right and then they and then they were ready to
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: fight him. And I think these last few years that's
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: when they should have fired. I think people like to say, oh,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: seven years ago, bro, Now, if it would have happened
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: in like twenty twenty two, twenty one, twenty two, that
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: had been great. You know, twenty twenty two to twenty
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: three whatever. It doesn't appear Loma is one hundred percent
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: in his prime. But the you know, the Ring magazine
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: has some number two. In fact, I don't know, maybe
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: they knocked Tank down now, I don't know, I haven't
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: checked it, but you know, we'll see what Loma is
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: gonna do now. So it was the Tank side that
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna fight. If that fight could have been made,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: you know, negotiation wise, who knows, but clearly it was
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: not them one the fight. Now, I do blame Loma
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: this time, knowing his team, especially Loma, because they went
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: through a whole negotiation process and then he's like, Noah,
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: I'm good, I need some time off. Well, if you
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: need time off, you want to hang with your family,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: you don't know if you're gonna fight again, cool, but
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: don't go through home negotiations so clearly you can you
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: can look at it now. I'm not saying. Look. Actually,
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: Tank even said that he doesn't think Loma's ducking him.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's ducking him, per se. I don't
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: like the whole negotiation process, like you're gonna fight him
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: and then say I don't want to. However, with that said,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: if you're having wishy washes about like kind of in
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: between about continuing fighting, it's a good chance you should
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: take some time off. Like he has to be honest,
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: you know I will give him that for sure. Like, hey, man,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: if you're in between on us, you know you may
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: not want to take this fight. You know you may
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: not if your heart's not into it whatever. By the way,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: according to moboxing, no problem that match Room has officially
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: reached out to Albert Bell for a fight with Raymond Ford.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: And you know it's reported that he accepted it. Man,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: please dude, please sign me up for that. That would
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: be man, that would be great. That would be great.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: As far as my point, you know, as far as like,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: what do I think would come from the challenging I
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: for lamont roach. You know, you have to do your
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: due diligence and you have to try to get this,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: you know, not a loss. But if you didn't call
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: somebody was up on the apron, can you go back
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: in time and say you technically were on the apron? Yeah,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: handed a towel to him like that. Stuff's not supposed
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: to happen. That's against the rules. And obviously him turning
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: turning your back is something we see throughout a year
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: too much in my opinion, without it being like, hey, man,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: don't ever do that again, or I'm gonna dque you.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: He did turn his back, He took a kneave, then
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: turned his back and then got help. But he didn't
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: fail a drug test. And so are they going to
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: go in there and say we're gonna change the scorecards
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: that should be ten to eight, which obviously would give
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: Lamont Roach to the win. I don't think they're gonna
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: do that. I think they're gonna say, man, we fucked up.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: Hope you get the rematch. Now if they did do it, yeah, man,
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: you know I do want I'm glad he's pushing it
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: because I want to. I want to know the truth, Like,
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: what what's up? Did you have the video replayer not?
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: Did you have access to it? Could it be on
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: a phone? Could it be this? Could it be? Yeah?
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: I need to know all that shit. You know. I
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: will say that because it sounds real fishy, but uh,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: pretty easy call to make, especially when you know the
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: ref was already counting. Let's go low boxing Twitter, j
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: Row says really annoyed with people saying Tank had an
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: off night. What was the off night about? He didn't
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: get the stoppage. He fought like he always fights. The
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: only issue is that Roach could take the power and
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to punch Tank back. He can't knock everyone out.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: Tank was found out. Well. The problem with that is
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: Tank has gone the distance now Esac Cruz and Lamont
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: two different fighters, right, I think Lamont's a better fighter,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: but he has gone the distance, so it's not about
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: he didn't find out. Uh Esak wasn't going anywhere either.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: You know, he hit him with some hardjot. He wasn't
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: going anywhere. So I I don't think that was his
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: best night an off night. Yeah, do you think he
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: was focused in that ring? It looked real fucking sketchy.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: But I also think, like I mentioned, the inside work,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: and I do think there is something to be said
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: about the sparring. Now, some people want to say, oh,
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to release the beast boss, he didn't
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: want to really let his good shit go on his friend, eh.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: I I.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: Don't know. I I just assumed to believe that sparring
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: that he learned a little bit more about Dramonte and
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: he had an answer for some of the stuff. That's
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: what I think. I don't know, you know. And I
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: think that the little you can look at tape until
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: you get in the ring with someone. You always say
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: that in all sports, but especially box, and I think
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: there's something to be said about already seeing some of
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: his good ship and some of his little tricks and
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: crafty stuff and stuff he likes to do. I don't
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: know how many rounds are, how many times they sparred,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: but from I do think that played into it a
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: little bit anyway, and I think both of them can
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: actually work. I think they can both improve on their
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: performance slightly because I think Lamont can be a little
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: bit busier early. Now you don't want to be too
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: busy and open up. But the way he was able
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: to counter him and go tit for tack with him,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: that really impressed me on the inside. So I see
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: what he's saying, but I don't you know, I don't know,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: he said. Gervonte did say the rematch could be soon too,
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: like the end of May, which I think that'd be cool.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: And this is will lam lamonts was saying la Lamont
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: was saying uh and saying no more. I'm pushing for
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: the rematch. Ter Javonte two D He said, f you
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: meaning you know, put He's like, what do you mean?
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: Push the contract? You know, I'm pushing for it. That
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: my contract already sign and set for the immediate rematch,
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: because you put that in just in case you lost.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: Only reason we don't fight is because you're scared, That's
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: what he said. So yeah, man, I think they they
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: do have a storyline now, and let's see if it
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: was an off night or not, or does Lemon improve
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: in that first half of the fight, because if he
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: just won another round or two, especially just one, you know,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: once he got into it. Though, I really liked what
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: I saw of the month, and I stand by my
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: word before I admit I never picked him to win.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't put money on the draw, but I did
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: say over and over that he's being undervalued. And this
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: whole bringing people up Lamont roach is not small dude.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: So this whole bringing guy up, bringing guy dude, I mean,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: in that case, it's I understand he doesn't allow power,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't fight with power. He has enough pop.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: Though it appears to me he had enough pop, so
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't think the weight had shit to do with it.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: And now everybody's like, hey, man, fight Keshan, fight this guy.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, Now all of a sudden, it's not huh huh.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: And then you have the other side that are just
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: gonna hate tanks saying, oh he had a cherry pick
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: gone wrong. Well, if he rematches it, that's what I
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: hate about nowadays, the cherry pick gone wrong. They did
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: this the wilder all the time, Fury the first fight
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: man is a cherry pick gone wrong, so wrong that
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: they fought him twice and the second time he got
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: his ass whoops, and he still fought him again. But
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: it was a cherry gone wrong. Say it at the
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: start and then don't repeat it if old boy runs
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: it back with the guy cherry pick gone wrong. So
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you take that drawn dip? Then if it was
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: a cherry pick, it's just Actually, the the AJ negotiations
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: fell off, so Feary was there. He said let's do it,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: you know. So yeah that was That's how he's silly too,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's it's funny to hear the fanboys freaking out.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: You know, it just is what it is. It's just
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: but I do think he has a you know Floyd
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: Like people say, oh, Floyd never had an off night?
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: What so Floyd just fought at one level the whole time.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: He never had no off night? Did you watch Floyd's career,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: to watch anybody's career, Like, come on, dude, what do
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: you mean no off nights? So I don't say it
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: being an off night all the way, but I don't
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: think that's his best. But I also think, like I mentioned,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: Lamont can improve. Anyway, I'm gonna get out of here.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm stumbling now, I'm just going over shit. Anyway, be
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: back next week, enjoy the fight, something might pop off.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: Peace