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- 2:02 Hello. Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made. You Are Pop Culture Rewind. 2:07 Today we're headed back to 1991 to revisit Curly Sue. This is John Hughes final film as a director. 2:15 It's got street scam sentimentality and one very scrappy kid with big 2:20 hair and an even bigger heart. I'm very excited to introduce you all to a new guest to the show, Andrew 2:29 from the Nostalgia Funhouse podcast. Andrew's been actively podcasting for about five years now, . Please 2:37 tell the retro made listeners about you and your show, Andrew. So the nostalgia Funhouse has actually had a name change. 2:46 We changed it to the nostalgia Funhouse. I started out under the name of Let's Talk, but No Politics. 2:51 Okay. But we just started doing so much nostalgia and retro topics that I 2:58 was like, we're just gonna change it. That way we can get it. So, yeah, it's pretty much, we just talk about everything. 3:05 We do an end of the month movie review every month. We do different types of segments. We do a thing called Saturday Morning Rewind. 3:12 Where every once in a while we watch a block from, say, like a, b, c, 1988. 3:17 We watch all those cartoons and see how we feel about 'em. We do a thing called pop culture court where we put people on trial. 3:26 We've done it to Scott Kelvin and from the Santa Claus and Kevin McAllister. 3:33 We've put him on trial as well at one point. So we've done that. I'm trying to think. 3:38 And we also do things like turning sitcoms into dramas. 3:44 So we've just recently, yeah, we've, it's, it's a pretty interesting thing, 3:49 but mostly it's top six lists tournaments, things like That Just everything, 3:54 nostalgia base, everything of that nature. So it's pretty much most of the years we cover, I think the newest year 4:04 we've probably have ever done is. Around 2005, pretty much. If it's, if it's after 2005, we, 4:11 we normally don't touch it. That Yeah. So it's a good little combo for us to get together and talk 4:18 because we talk about very similar Mm-hmm. So I would recommend everybody check out Andrew's podcast. 4:24 I'm very curious what the verdict was on Kevin McAllister. He, so I treat, my friend went into it. 4:33 He was the prosecutor, I was the defense, Okay. into it like we were going to kind of like joke around in a way, but I 4:42 actually started looking up laws in Illinois and everything like that. So actually Kevin got off because of the Castle doctrine, because 4:51 they broke into his house. So he was able to defend him himself 4:56 in That case. That tracks, Yeah. 5:01 It was very interesting. He was like, I didn't think we were like looking up case studies. And I was like, Hey, 5:06 I, you're combining pop culture with true Crime. I love it. Those are yeah, favorite types of podcasts. 5:12 That's freaking fantastic. And yeah, we'll be talking about Home Alone come Christmas time because that's John Hughes as well. 5:18 I did see Andrew, that you already covered Curly Sue on your podcast, but I purposefully did not listen to the episode I will after this. 5:27 But I didn't want it to taint any of our conversation that we will have today. I think of my stance has kind of changed in a way now That I've rewatched it. 5:36 So it's gonna be interesting Okay. I always try and do, whenever I do the movie reviews, I always 5:43 think about how I felt as a kid and as it kind of still stand up. So it's like a young Andrew versus an adult Andrew and 5:51 how I feel about everything. That definitely makes sense. Well, I'm excited, but before we get into our time capsule, I do wanna share some 6:00 thoughts from a listener Scott from the all nineties action all the time podcast. 6:05 He sent me a lovely note. He says, Hey Katie, I hope you're well. I just wanted to get in touch to say how much I've been 6:11 enjoying your John Hughes season. I think the episodes you've done so far have been great, and I 6:16 dig the revamp time capsule too. Well, that's good. Thanks Scott. this season has also inspired me to check out the Hughes films I have 6:24 Not Seen as you cover them, which so far has been Mr. Mom and career opportunities, also listening. 6:31 There was a couple things that came up in your latest episode on National Lampoon's vacation that you and your guests seemed unaware of that I know the answer to. 6:40 The first was, the last detail is the Jack Nicholson film from the seventies directed by Hal. 6:48 from Harold and Maude. Oh, we were curious what the last detail was because I 6:53 think Randy Quaid was in that. I think that's what we Oh. what we were talking in reference to, 6:59 and we weren't sure what the heck that movie was. So thank you, Scott. 7:04 He says it's really good. Awesome. Okay. Well, I'm gonna have to check out well, it obviously got some award praise, so I'm 7:10 gonna have to check out the last detail. it fits in thematically with your episode as it is also a road trip movie. 7:18 Oh, okay. secondly, James Keach is indeed Stacy Kes brother. 7:25 We had inquired. So the guy who plays the motorcycle cop in vacation, Okay. his name is James Keach, 7:31 and we were like, Hmm, I wonder if he's Stacy Keech brother. But of course none of us looked it up we were right. 7:37 So thank you Scott for for jumping in there. And he says lastly, total film was one of the two most popular film magazines 7:44 in the uk, the other being empire until it closed its doors last year. You may have already looked that stuff up or possibly don't care, but 7:53 hopefully you found it interesting. Anyway, keep up the great work. Thank you so much, Scott. If, if you all wanna be like Scott, send me an email retro made podcast@gmail.com 8:04 and be like, Scott, I love Yep. people and whether you wanna correct me whether you wanna just say, Hey, whether you wanna 8:11 say you like it, you don't like it. Send me an email. Alright, Andrew, 8:17 Yep. are going to spin the retro made wheel in our time capsule. 8:23 I do a retro fantasy thing with my friend, so he just spins the 8:29 wheel for me when we gotta pick a pick a week I am gonna spin on your behalf, we're gonna see what category we come upon. 8:36 Now, I will say have already covered 1991 in the career opportunities episode, 8:43 Okay. hopefully we don't double dip. 'cause I We'll, spin again if, if that happens. 8:49 okay. Return to tune time. 8:55 Ooh, Here's a question for you. Premiering. In 1991, this show featured a duck superhero who balances crime fighting 9:04 with his life as a wealthy socialite. His sidekick is the secret agent dog name this cartoon. 9:11 oh. It's not It I thought it was dark wing duck. 9:16 It is. Oh, it is, Yeah. Does he does It I wasn't a big dark wing duck guy. 9:22 Same. My, my co-host Johnny Loves Dark wing Duck, and it's one of the things that 9:28 he always says, I hate everything that he loves, but I would, I always tell him, just wasn't into it. 9:33 I was ducktails and after Ducktails, I was kind of all ducked out when it came to the duck. 9:39 cartoons, but I figured it was dark wing duck. Let's get dangerous. It is. 9:44 Dark wing duck. Okay? this one kind of missed me and now that I, you bring, there were a lot of duck related 9:51 Mm-hmm. for some reason. Yeah. That Disney Afternoon was like just Sunday them out and I 9:57 was like, ah, dark wing duck. It's cool, but Yeah. I like letting my launchpad quack on Ducktails. 10:04 not on another show. Ducktails. Were good? Yes. Let's see if you'll get this one. I don't know if I would have. 10:10 Okay. In this 1991 cartoon, an adventurous boy and his magic carpet explore a 10:15 fictional Arabian city facing villains and making friends along the way. 10:20 What's the name of this series? Aladdin, is It It is, I Is it? I didn't know there was a series, 10:26 but Yes, Aladdin had a TV series apparently. it was, if I remember correctly, it was like early, early in the morning, 10:35 Mm, okay. like on the weekdays. So if my mom would wake me up early to go to school, it was kind 10:42 of like one of those things that. would be on. And they also had a Little Mermaid series as well. 10:47 I vaguely recall that. I don't think I watched it, but yeah, I think if anything was popular, they were 10:53 like, let's see how much money we can Yeah. this. This one, I don't know. 10:59 Okay. This 1991 animated series follows a group of teenagers who gain superpowers 11:05 after a mysterious storm and fight evil forces led by a villain named Hacker. 11:12 What Oh, that's, that's the centurions Is it, it I wanna say, but I thought that was more in the eighties. 11:20 Is it, Doc Hacker or? Oh no, that okay. I think that is Super Human Samurai Squad. 11:32 this shows. Okay. Okay. my answer is wrong or it's, that's highly possible, but it shows SWAT Cats, the Radical Squadron. 11:43 okay. So Yeah. probably 'cause the super, the super Samurai, whatever it was like they were super Cyber Samurai. 11:50 But I think that came out later because it was kind of a. A Power Ranger rip off where they could only use their powers inside of a, 11:59 in the computer You mentioned the squadron part. I've literally never heard of ohs. 12:05 Oh, Cats, the Radical I've heard of SWAT Cats. you have. Okay. 12:10 Yeah. It's a Hanna bar. let me know if you've heard Cats? a H of barbaric cartoon. I Hannah Bara. 12:16 it, they kind of, they were like two cats and they like worked in a junkyard, but 12:22 then All of a sudden they made like this really cool plane and they did fly around. I never knew their 12:27 villain name was Hacker. Okay. Hmm. All right, well, you did pretty good. 12:33 Let's see about another category, Andrew. says I have a lot of useless knowledge, so, it, I mean, it comes in handy for you know, podcast episodes. 12:42 Let's see if we covered VHS Vault. Nope. Here we go. I. okay. 12:49 Ooh, this'll be fun. okay. so VHS Vault. This is the top five 12:55 movies like at Blockbuster in 1991. I have clues for you, but I'm curious if you have any guesses. 13:02 So I'm thinking home alone, even though it came out in 90. 13:08 Kinda like that overlap. Very good guess, but No trying to think of what else. 13:14 I think I, I need clues on this one then. but similar. It's, it's a bunch of stuff that came out in 90, 13:21 Yeah. So here's your first hint. The number one rental in 1991. 13:26 A tragic pottery scene, a subway Oh, and Whoopi Goldberg channeling the afterlife. 13:33 ghost. Very good. was so scared of whenever those demon shadow people would come out. 13:39 That was kind of dark, Yeah, it it was, I remember it? was like I had a friend's sleepover and We were watching like HBO way 13:47 later than what we should have. And Ghost came on and I saw those shadows came out and I didn't 13:53 sleep very good that night. We covered Ghost last season in the ultimate everyman season 13:59 Mm-hmm. Swayze obviously Was in it. So fun one. Number two, a Hollywood fairytale featuring a street smart woman, a 14:09 businessman, and a shopping spree for all pretty woman. Yes. 14:15 Oh my God, that's one of Uh, Movies. yeah, I was so, my friends find it very odd. 14:21 When I was growing up, we were pretty much allowed to watch whatever we wanted to watch. 14:26 Like my grandmother so. Their idea of kids' movies when it came to stuff were way different than mine. 14:34 They're like, so what did you watch as a kid? And I'm like, oh, ROHO Cop, predator Commando. And they're like, no, didn't you watch? 14:41 I was like, yeah, we watched that, but those weren't my kids' movies. So Pretty Woman was, I think a movie night Where it was like, you got two choices. 14:47 You can go upstairs or you can watch Pretty Woman with Us. So I decided to stay and watch pretty well. 14:53 you in the birth order of your siblings? I am the youngest, Same with me, and I 14:59 so. why Andrew, I also watched Pretty Woman at a very young, I watched everything at a younger 15:04 age than probably my siblings. 'cause they Mm-hmm. She's not gonna understand half of it. And we're just, this is what we're watching, so who 15:11 Well, I also have an aunt that is only 13 years older than me, Okay. so. 15:17 She literally just at the age of 18, did not care. 15:23 I watched Breakfast Club probably constantly over and over and over again 15:28 and she would always yell, you know, smoke 'em up, Johnny, and stuff like that. 15:34 Oh, that's such a good one. Yeah. So, episode of this season. Yeah, so it's kind of been one of those things. 15:42 I'm three years younger than my brother that but than my aunt's like only 13 years older than me. So that's where when I wrote down a lot of my influences and in the eighties, because 15:52 that's pretty much what they just got me into at that point, even at an early age. 15:59 Yeah, that makes sense. All right, the number three video rental, 91. 16:05 It's a good one. As far back as I can remember, this mobster saga made slicing 16:11 garlic with a razor look Oh, form. good fellas. Oh, Yeah, 16:16 of my favorite movies of all time. I love it but I love that movie too. That's a great one. 16:22 the next two are not as obvious. Okay. Okay. Number four. Your hint is a fugitive in the Witness protection program and his 16:31 fiery ex get chased across the country often on motorcycles. 16:37 Oh my goodness. Why did I thi At first I thought it was, what is that? My Blue heaven? But that's definitely not it. 16:45 Fugitive. is in it. Oh, 16:51 what do, Mel Gibson. why do I wanna say Bird on a wire. But that's not it. Is it? It 16:56 it is is it? Okay. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. I needed the actors or I don't think I Yeah I never even seen that one. 17:03 I just remember previews in the movie theaters for it though. I actually guessed on a, another podcast Amel Gibson podcast 17:10 where we talked about it. I love Goldie. Oh, Much Mel. Okay. The last one, the hint is medical students tempt fate by 17:20 oh, hearts to see what lies beyond and bring back more than memories. that is, Flatliners. 17:26 It is, Yeah, This doesn't seem that familiar to me. it's, Oh so my dad had this thing called a cheater box. 17:35 So my parents were divorced like when I got, when I was four. So I'd go to my dad's on the weekends and he had this thing called a cheater box. 17:42 So you would get unscrambled pay-per-view. So that's how I lot watched a lot of movies was under 17:49 Unscrambled Pay-per-View and. I watched Flatliners probably way earlier than I was supposed to because 17:56 it is a very, very freaky movie. The way that they go under and kind of, they kind of go into 18:04 like their own personal hell in a way as they kill themselves. Like it's a very, it's a very good movie. 18:10 I'm not a Keith or Sutherland guy, but he's pretty good in there. Julia Roberts is in there as well, I believe. 18:16 Yeah, it's, they kill themselves and then their, friends or their other, the other students bring them back? 18:22 Is yeah. So it's like they, they try and kill themselves and then after a while they 18:29 almost bet on each other or make bets of how long they can stay dead for. 18:35 Oh, wow. So at one point they're like, I could do it for two minutes, and then somebody out of nowhere would be like, I'll do it for five. 18:42 And they'd be like, okay. I think maybe Oliver Platt's in it too. I wanna say it's a pretty, I. Decent cast, but Yeah. 18:49 But they almost face like their own personal hell and their like own demons that they gotta, it's like a weird version of it in a way too. 18:58 You know, like it makes 'em face their fears. Well Oh, this is kind of like what happens when they go under, like they have 19:04 to face what their fear or the biggest regret in life or something traumatic that happened to them. 19:10 I think I, was probably what, eight when that eight when it came out around there and it. 19:15 was intense for an 8-year-old it sounds like it. like Ghost was like nothing compared to, I felt Flatliners because 19:23 of the, the story in Flatliners. All right. We have time for maybe one more category, 19:32 retro runway. So this is some fashion stuff. 91. This is an easy one. 19:40 In 1991, this type of oversized outerwear, often plaid or tweed, 19:45 and inspired by grunge culture and nirvana's rise became street wear staple for both teens and 20 somethings. 19:52 What was it? Flannel Flannel shirts? Yep. After the release of Thelma and Louise in 1991, this once rugged accessory 20:02 saw a resurgence among women worn with high-waisted jeans and often paired 20:07 with cowboy boots for a rebellious edge. What item is this? I have no idea. 20:15 Bandanas. Okay. I, Often worn as headbands or neck accessories. 20:22 okay. Yeah. And the last one, Nike released to this now iconic sneaker designed 20:30 for basketball star Michael Jordan featuring visible air units and a bold 20:35 infrared colorway that helped launch sneaker culture into the mainstream. 20:40 Which model which model? Yeah. number of Jordan it is or 20:46 Yes. But I, it is there, Jordan, obviously Points if you get the number 20:52 I'm very intrigued by nature, culture, like the whole idea of a sneakerhead, but I, it's probably one of those things that I like to look at from far away. 21:02 same. Uh, Guessed the number. I Jordan? yeah. Jordan. 21:09 Oh, it's 93 91. Sorry. 91. 21:16 Jordan threes Air Jordan six. 21:21 they were on six, but I was figuring, they started earlier than I thought too. Mm-hmm. 21:26 okay, so. there was a new one every year then probably I at the, cause he came in, 21:32 People are probably yelling at us 'cause I'm not a sneakerhead I so, so somebody that knows better let us know. 21:38 I kind of assume there's a new one every year, but I could be wrong. I was debating the, what is it? 21:43 Puma, and then there's a basketball player, Lalo Ball. He came out with, they were pretty decent looking ninja Turtle inspired sneakers. 21:51 Awesome. I was looking at 'em and looking at 'em, and then I was like, a hundred and something dollars for sneakers. 21:58 And I'm like and then right when I was about to say, you know what, I'm just gonna get 'em, they were sold outta my size. 22:03 So Of course. a way it was kind of not meant to be. So to be. I know. 22:08 It's sort of like the universe. You're like, well, I think that worked out. Yeah. Yeah. So I bought a pair of Hey dudes instead. 22:14 So there's my, there's my shoes for the, I don't even know what that is. those are, they're kind of just slip-on boat shoes, I wanna say like a loafer. 22:22 They're pretty popular. And they, only way that I knew about it is. my younger cousin wore 'em and they looked really comfortable. 22:29 And so normally I'm in, I wear, Hey dudes. And then if I do yard work, I wear crocs. 22:36 That's my whole, so. That's your shoe yeah. that's what's my daughter say? My, my drip. 22:42 She tries to do that all the time to me. She asks me what my drip costs and I say it's not very expensive because 22:48 I spent the majority of my, money on you, on you and your brothers, so Well, my shoe allowance is more than yours because I am child free, so. 22:57 you see, yeah they're getting older though, so now it's not, now it's not too much. 23:03 But plus two, I spend, if you could, when you see behind me, it's mostly on action 23:09 figures and stuff, which they make fun of me about, but I tell 'em, they give me joy. 23:14 So they're for, They're fun to have. Everybody's got a, a hobby or an interest or something makes 23:20 you easy to buy for then too, feel Yeah. Yeah. My, my wife normally laughs at me. 23:27 We are completely on the opposite ends of things when in. So when it comes to a lot of the, yes, it's very much very different. 23:35 I did an episode with her before star Trek or Star Wars 'cause she didn't know. So I. 23:40 would just name stuff, you know, like Spock and she would have to pick Star Trek or Star Wars. And, 23:46 has she seen either She's watched Star Wars 'cause of her father, but she hates it. 23:51 She's never seen Star Trek. And I tried to explain Star Trek to her and, 'cause we watched the Big 23:58 Bang Theory and they dressed up as like, the Next Generation, which is my favorite Star Trek series. 24:03 And I, tried to explain things and she was like, just don't just shut up and watch the, 24:08 care. yeah. No, I I relate to her. I feel like I could play that game. I, having not seen them, 24:16 Mm-hmm. it's so prevalent in our culture and society that I feel like I get some of the references, so 24:22 Y feel like I wouldn't do too horribly at that game. Yeah, she, yeah, she just I normally, if it gets too quiet, I ask her. 24:29 I'm a big wrestling fan, so I ask her a bunch of weird, weird questions from back in the day. 24:35 There was a tag team called the Killer Bees, and I always go, who's your favorite? Killer B? Is it B Brian Blair? 24:42 Or Jump in Jim Bronzel? And she's like, just go to your office. You know, I actually did grow up watching wrestling in the eighties though. 24:50 Mm-hmm. my grandparents' house, my grandpa was into it, but I think I only know, like the older stuff, 24:56 yeah, it, I've delved into my new thing is since I've gotten older and I don't 25:02 know what it is, normally you go into World War II or grilling, I feel if you're a man, once you hit over 40, mine is, mine is wrestling history. 25:11 like I've delved into the whole history of how it came to a certain point and 25:19 even to the point where how guys used to get paid out per match and, you know, and the whole lifestyle of everything. 25:26 It, it's very interesting before that point in the eighties where it went totally national. 25:31 This sounds like a side podcast, Andrew. I'm, I only do my one. 25:38 I only do my one. So, but yeah, it's, Hint, hint. I bet there's an audience for 25:44 Yeah, it's it's definitely very, very interesting the way that, you know, certain things happen and how everybody's like, oh, you're gonna 25:52 destroy the business, and then all of a sudden you find out that they exposed the business since 1930 something of how everything works, but it just 26:00 kind of gets swept under the rug. Yeah, I, I do think it's more interesting than at first blush. 26:06 You might think so. Before we chat about Curly Sue, thank you for playing my 26:11 no problem. made wheel time capsule. I have a whole season on John Hughes and this being his final directorial work. 26:20 I'm curious if you have any particular thoughts John Hughes that you wanna share. 26:26 John Hughes once again is one of those people that when you're younger, I didn't pay much attention to directors, and it was more who was 26:34 in the movie and could I recognize them kind of from something else. So as a kid, I, I always loved every one of his movies. 26:42 I mean, there's still a couple that I haven't seen, like career opportunities I didn't see. And I, 26:49 you guys did a wonderful job of painting the picture of career opportunities. And it's one of those things where I'm like I don't think I'm gonna see 26:55 that one, but thank you for showing, you know, explaining it to me. But as when I got older and I started to realize who he was, it 27:03 was like, wow, he's this guy making all these great movies out there that 27:09 I just constantly enjoyed as a kid. And we're a big part of my childhood and, you know, breakfast Club, uncle Buck, the 27:16 Great Outdoors 16 Candles, pretty in pink. Like I said, my aunt was only 13 years older than me, so she was 27:23 a teenager through those times. So those were the things that we had to watch. And so I just thought he was really, really great. 27:30 But then. I kind of get into the history of him and I see his later stuff. I kind of like feel he lost it. 27:38 Like it was just not there. Like a professional athlete that you watch from his rookie year and you're like, 27:45 wow, this is gonna be something special. And then all of a sudden you're like you should have stopped earlier. You're not what you are, you're not what you used to be. 27:53 Just maybe don't, you know, you don't wanna be mean, but like time has passed you by. 28:00 I understand a lot of people like to go until they say the wheels fall off. But I feel like at a certain point, I think home alone was his peak. 28:07 And then after that it was downhill from, there wasn't anything as magical 28:14 or there wasn't as much coming to age as what he was known for in the later ones. 28:21 Yeah, I think I concur with you. Definitely known for the teen pack type movies. 28:29 and then he kind of lost his muses, but was still able to, you know, some of the family adventure comedies. 28:36 He kinda moved more towards that and I, I think I agree after that. 28:41 I did read too I can't recall what year John Candy died, but I think that was really hard on John Hughes. 28:48 It sounds like he just kind of lost that, that impacted his wanting 28:54 or, or passion for writing and Mm-hmm. Yeah, It's because he, did he do change or plane trades and automobiles also? 29:03 Yep. Yeah. So I could see where. Mm-hmm. He hit that real big stride with, you know, Molly Ringwald and the Brat 29:11 Pack, and then it went into John Candy, and then after that it seemed like he couldn't find it again with anything else. 29:19 I think I, I fully agree. It's been really interesting doing this season. 'Cause I was definitely not an expert uh, John Hughes and, 29:27 Mm-hmm. know, really looked up to him. Some of those moves we talked about. But, he's human just like the rest of us, 29:32 Well, without further ado, let's get into Curly Sue. 29:42 October 25th, 1991 was the release date. This is a PG movie IMDB, it's only a 5.9. 29:51 And I think that tracks, Yeah. This is both written and directed by John Hughes. 29:58 And I, I did read though that although this was his final directorial effort, it wasn't actually originally planned to be that way. 30:07 according to Gene, Cisco Hughes had planned to direct two more films with good friend and collaborator, John Candy. 30:15 Candy's premature death in 1994, Hughes decided to quit directing altogether 30:20 and focus on writing and producing. And that the loss of candy is what ultimately kept him away from the director's chair. 30:26 'cause he loved working with that particular actor so much. However, that was in the mid nineties and I, I think even before 30:32 then, he had kind of started to Teeter off. His magic. Yeah. 30:38 So. If you all listening or watching, haven't seen Curly Sue or if it's 30:45 been, 30 years or something like that. movie is about Bill Dancer and his young companion, curly Sue. 30:53 They're the classic homeless folks with hearts of gold. Their scams are aimed not at turning a profit, but at getting enough to eat 31:00 when they scam the rich and beautiful Gray Ellison into believing that she backed her Mercedes into Bill. 31:05 They're only hoping for a free meal, but she's touched and over the objections of her snotty fiance insist on putting them up for the 31:13 night they get to know each other. Bill becomes convinced that this is where Curly Sue belongs in a home cared for by 31:19 someone that can give her the advantages that his homeless nomadic existence lacks. 31:25 He plans to leave her in Gray's custody and take off, but she has other ideas. 31:33 All right, so this bill dancer is played by James Belushi Yes. 31:39 Did Kelly Lynch plays the beautiful Gray Ellison. And we talked about her obviously on the Roadhouse episode from last season. 31:48 And I had completely forgotten that she was in this movie because she kind of faded into 31:56 obscurity, I didn't realize she was in Roadhouse, so I think that's what she's most known for 32:02 really? See, I'd had no idea that when I, well, so my thing with Roadhouse 32:08 was like a friend brought the VHS over and we watched it and. 32:15 I was more in tune to say Patrick Swayze and Sam Elliott, where I was like, these are the coolest guys on the face of the earth. 32:22 So right. It was one of those things. So that's probably why I didn't really recognize her so much. 32:28 Yeah, I mean, she's she's there for the, I mean, she's very beautiful in it. But yeah, I mean, me, I, yeah, Patrick and Sam brought me to the party for sure. 32:36 Yeah, no, that's one I grew up watching. And yeah, I don't know if you listened to the Roadhouse episode, but we were like, it's actually really good. 32:43 It's not, Of people are like, oh, it's, it's a bad movie. That's fun to watch. But I'm like, it's a good movie. 32:48 it's got a famous wrestler in it too, and Terry Funk, he plays. Yeah. That's right. 32:55 Were you familiar with the actress who plays Curly Sue at all? Alison Porter? 33:00 No, I know a lot of people get, I felt like a lot of people got her mixed up with the Pepsi girl, but then come to find out, I don't think she was the Pepsi 33:07 girl, if you remember the Ray Charles Pepsi commercials. yes, 33:13 that was her and when we were doing it, I'm thinking to myself, I don't think that's her. 33:18 like they look the same, I but it her. doesn't track when that Pepsi commercial came out compared to this movie. 33:28 So I was like, I think they're two different people that just look very similar. I think you're right. 'cause I actually did look up Allison's work and Allison is spelled, I hate it 33:38 when parents do this to their children. Just give, spell a name normally because her name Allison is spelled A-L-I-S-A-N. 33:48 Yeah, it's. She's gonna forever have to spell that for people. Yep. but I looked 33:53 up to see, cause I didn't really recognize her. She's known for this movie. Mm-hmm. 33:58 but she also had a role in 1980 Nine's Parenthood Yeah, I then don't Random episodes of a lot of popular TV shows in the eighties. 34:05 Like PeeWee's Playhouse, family Ties Perfect Strangers and Golden Girls. One of my favorites. 34:11 Get this, Andrew, she won season 10 of The Voice 34:19 see, that's where my wife loves that show and I, would, I don't like it, so I didn't watch it. 34:26 'cause that was, I wish I would've watched that, but then she probably would've got bad at me 'cause I kept on, would've been calling her Curly Sue the whole time. 34:33 So, but that's pretty impressive. 'cause she sings in this movie and she sings pretty good, like 34:39 I noted the fact that she sings in this movie, 'cause I had already looked up who she was and I 34:44 mm-hmm. God. And that was just in 2016, the voice has had some pretty interesting like eighties minor celebrities. 34:53 Like I believe Dottie from PeeWee's Big Adventure was on there too, Oh, all right. 34:59 because I got, I was like, that's my winner, that's my horse. And that's when I started watching it because I wanted 35:05 to see if Dottie was gonna win. And then, I don't know. I don't think she did I don't think she 35:11 did. now, let's see. So we talked about So Gray, Mm-hmm. for some reason I don't know 35:17 It was, and I will consistently call. So James Belushi is Bill Dancer. Kelly Lynch plays Gray Ellison and I, whenever I do podcasts, I always, 35:26 it's a movie, I haven't seen a ton. I tend to say the actor's name yeah. See that's. 35:31 of the character. But her name is Gray, which I thought was interesting. 35:37 It's very, he's got a very interesting. choice in names. 35:42 I felt like he was trying to go big with gray, like think of something good like, Hey, let's call her Gray And then all of a sudden it was like, well, what are we 35:51 gonna name the, you know, the male lead? Let's just go with build dance dancer. 35:57 Bill, doesn't, yeah. Gray Ellison sounds very like hoity though. 36:03 And yes. A fancy lady. ' cause it starts off very hard with her where she's like, and 'cause 36:10 she's a divorce lawyer and she's like, we're gonna go after your husband and we're just going to take 'em right off at the legs and everything else. 36:17 And then good. super high powered divorce attorney. Her client, Mrs. Arnold is played by Barbara Tarbuck. 36:26 and it's the only reason I bring her up because she doesn't, not really well known. But she has a lot of TV credits and say 80% of them, she plays 36:37 either a judge or a doctor Oh random TV episodes. 36:42 Yeah. And then her boss at this law firm is played by Fred Thompson. yes. 36:47 And he's got one of the greatest lines I've ever heard to tell somebody. 'cause my wife is very career driven, even though she says it. 36:54 And I've definitely gotta start using this line outta where he says, if you don't 37:00 stop going 190 miles per hour, you know per hour, you're gonna hit something. And I was like that's great for people that are just go, go, go. 37:09 Great point. I had, Fred Thompson is very well known. He's been in a ton of stuff, I would say. 37:16 And Order is probably where I recognize him the most from. oh, see, I only watch SVU, 37:22 Oh, okay. one. Good call though. The hunt for red. October, Alright. maybe one of his most 37:28 famous movie credits. And then because I love all these like sitcoms from the eighties, I 37:34 recognized him also because he, in the early Roseanne, he plays her 37:39 dickhead boss at the plastics factory, Oh, Faber, I wanna say, or Faber or Farber or something. 37:46 okay. Didn't George Clooney end up taking that point when he played, what is the name? Booger or Booker. 37:52 on Rosie. Okay. Yeah. And then Jackie dates them. Yeah, for sure. 37:58 See? So Gray's, I didn't realize it was her fiance, 38:03 Walker McCormick, that's also like a very rich On top of that Rose, that's Exactly. where I recognized him from. 38:09 Exactly. So the actor who plays him, he's super sleazy. He's like 38:14 Mm-hmm. of the sleazy, like shyster, Ugh. 38:19 His name is John Goetz and yes, he plays basically the same role in Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead Rose's sleazy boyfriend, right? 38:28 Yep. Yep. It's just a little bit more, say hoity-toity in a way where he 38:34 thinks he's better than everybody. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I did watch the TV show Bosch. 38:41 But it's been a while. I did see also that he plays a character named Bradley Walker. 38:47 Interesting. Another walker in 13 episodes. So Bosch fans out there, tell me who that is again, what character he played. 38:56 I've never even watched that show either, so I just remember him from Don't Tell Mom the babysitter's dad because the, I think I don't know 39:06 if you don't mind me jumping ahead. the one thing that got me when I did rewatch this when I rewatched it 39:12 from my episode that I never, never dawned on me as a kid is the drifter. 39:17 That's kind of does, I don't want to get too much, but the drifter ahead. is that steals curly soo ring and pawns it for money is the guy from home alone. 39:28 He's the gangster from, what is it? What is that movie, called? Hell, hell's Angels or something like that, or, 39:34 It's like not a real movie, but yes. Oh Ralph Foodie is his name 39:40 Yep. The line he says is, keep the change. You have filthy animal. Yeah, because I always, so we use a lot of like racks and stuff at work 39:50 to move like a lot of large parts. And one of the legs were bent and I called it Little Mo and nobody 39:57 was picking up on the reference. 'cause all I could think about is home alone too. When he is like, you're smooching everybody. 40:02 You live in little, our little mo with the gimpy leg. So Mm-hmm. 40:08 That's a deep cut there. yeah, but yeah, that is him. it's called Angels with filthy souls. 40:15 Yep. And what it, that it's not a real movie. yeah. 40:20 That's amazing. So Bill has a friend named Albert and the actor's name, I've 40:25 never heard of this name before. Branscombe. Have you heard that name before? No. 40:31 Or Branscombe. Branscombe. I'm not entirely sure how to pronounce it, but Branscombe Richmond is his name. 40:38 Yeah. He's a, a Native American actor and a stunt man, and also a singer. 40:44 and he's a lot of times the bad guy on screen. And, he's been on the receiving end of the fists of Arnold 40:50 Schwarzenegger and Commando. He's Uh, By Carl Weathers in Action, Jackson and Tangled with Steven Egal and hard to kill. 41:00 And he also did the stunts on John Carpenter's. They, Liv. well, so he's been, he's not the main villain in Commando, is he? 41:08 Probably not. Okay. Probably not. And did you recognize Steve Corral in this? 41:15 Yes. Yes. 'cause that was my the way that I hooked my co-host Johnny into watching this? 41:22 He didn't watch it as a kid, and he's pretty much the same age as me. And I was like, Steve Carell's in it. 41:28 And he was like, oh, man. I was like, it's first film. And then he watched it and he was like, he's in it for like two seconds. 41:34 Literally, I'm like, well, at the restaurant or yeah, like that, right? Tessio. 41:40 Yes. He, yeah. He has a name at least. Yeah. Also at that restaurant, the maitre d it's a very fancy rest restaurant. 41:48 The maitre d is played by Cameron Thor. He's known for his movies, Jurassic Park and Hook and Clear and Present Danger. 41:56 And he's a convicted sex offender. So Oh, 42:01 clear of Cameron Thor? so he's a great all around guy then. 42:06 Super. Yeah. Well that was like uh, I, the principal from Yeah. 42:14 That I was like, oh my goodness. John Hughes. What are you doing? Yeah. 42:19 these people? What's happening? Can separate the art from the, or the art from the artist, I guess, 42:27 I guess, so there's a few smaller parts I wanted to bring up. Gray's assistant or colleague or something her name is Annais, but 42:35 she's played by Gail Boggs and she was a regular in this drama that 42:41 I've never heard of called Bronx Zoo. And Aye. we we covered Ghost last season and she plays O MA's sister in that, but 42:49 Well, really a whole lot else. And Vivica Davis plays Trina the housekeeper. 42:56 that's the most interesting part of the movie. That whole sequence is when she comes, in and she doesn't know bills in the bed 43:06 Mm. and he kind of just. Watches instead of saying, Hey, I am, 43:16 I'm here. She like changes into a maid's uniform, which yes, 43:21 right? with her munchkins too. And he like watches her through like the crack door of the bathroom. 43:29 And I'm thinking to myself, wouldn't you have said, Hey, I'm here. And then they end up becoming friends, like playing poker and stuff. 43:35 And I'm like, wouldn't that weird you out in a minute? Like, why don't you definitely wanna check out this guy and everything else? 43:44 And Well, I mean, I wouldn't have brought him to my fancy apartment in the first 43:49 that was, that we need to, you Yeah. With the flow, there's a lot to unpack in this when you, when you're not watching it. 43:56 As a kid, I feel when it came to a lot of this stuff. Definitely I almost died though. 44:02 I wouldn't have a lot of these smaller characters I probably wouldn't have even thought much of. But when I do the research for the show, sometimes I come across some effing gems. 44:11 And this is one, I can't believe I randomly found this, but this Vivica Davis played one of the main characters in a movie that I grew up absolutely adoring. 44:21 We had it taped on VVHS and I've literally tried to find it, but I can't find it. 44:27 And I think the reason I can't find it is because I did not realize that it was a made for TV movie. 44:32 Oh, Um, Have you seen or even heard of Andrew or listeners student exchange from 1987? 44:41 No. She plays the girl. So it's like best friends, a girl and a guy that are dorks in their high 44:47 school and they come up with this plan to pretend that they're the student 44:53 exchange students, one from France and one from Italy, and then all of a sudden they become super popular. 44:59 and there's like a, like the, there's a really incredible cast. If you look up the cast for this, you should there's like 45:04 a ton of famous people in it. Anyway, she plays Carol, AKA Simone, who's like the French. 45:11 It's so good. Please, somebody tell me you've seen this, I will somehow find it and cover 45:16 it on a future retro made episode. Yeah, I, I thought you were gonna give me the com most plot to what is that? 45:22 Just one of the guys, It is another movie. Not too many of my friends have ever seen, and I'm pretty shocked by that. 45:30 I'm like, how? Have you never seen just one of the guys? I think I've only seen it once, so I don't really remember a ton from it, but 45:37 Oh, it's. I don't think it's a movie that you could make today in a way, no. 45:43 There's a like a lot of, yeah. yeah. Absolutely not. Monster Squad. I, my eyes got real big as they threw out sexual slurs at the kid, like 45:54 in the first five minutes of it. I'm like whoa, is that how we were back then? It, yeah. 46:00 Sounds like it. There's so much, it's, I think I talked about it in another episode. It was like things that were so present in our vernacular we didn't 46:09 think twice about saying something. And once it's gone from your vernacular for so long, the, and 46:15 then you hear It again, you're like, Yeah. what did you Just say? You know? 46:20 It's very interesting in that way. Did you also see that Ededie mcclar. 46:26 Plays the secretary and she is the redhead that always plays some small part like this in a John Hughes movie. 46:33 It's always a delight to see who Edie McClure is gonna play. He definitely has his lineup that he likes to go with on all of his movies. 46:42 And you know, if you're winning with a lineup, you gotta keep it that way. Indeed. 46:48 the music, I don't know if you took note of this, the reason that I wanna bring him 46:54 up, I'm probably not saying it correctly, Georgia, he's a French composer. 47:00 350 scores for movies and TV. And talked about him last season because he did the music for 47:08 Silkwood with Kurt Russell. Have you seen Silkwood? A lot of people I've never seen 47:13 silk. good. it's It's based on a true story and it's also got Meryl Streep and Cher in it. 47:19 Oh, okay. So that's actually a, shock that I've not seen that 'cause my, I've 47:26 watched mermaids multiple times, so highly recommend it give it a watch. 47:31 It's super good. I did see that Alison Porter won an award for this movie, though. Young Artist Award for best young actress starring a movie, which is 47:41 interesting 'cause she didn't do anything else really until the voice. 47:46 no, she, she kind of fell off, which is weird because normally, like back then, 47:53 'cause McCulley, Culkin got real big. I mean, even his, well you could probably say his little brother now I 48:00 surpassed him and in roles and that. but even he started off in a lot of these movies and then you figured. 48:07 Somebody like Curly Sue, I wonder if, because it wasn't as bus big as a success as it was Why that young child actor thing kind of ended. 48:16 'cause like Emmanuel Lewis wasn't even supposed to be in Webster, but because they saw him in the Burger King commercial, they 48:21 were like, we're gonna put him. You didn't know that. I didn't know that. So that's why the theme song is called Then Came You. 48:30 It was only supposed to be about George Papadopoulos and his new socialite wife. 48:37 And it was supposed to be like an odd couple thing, like the ex-football player With the socialite. 48:43 And then they saw Emanuel Lewis in a, in the Burger King commercial. 48:49 And they were like, yep, we're gonna put you in the show. And they completely reworked it. So a lot, they were not too happy that they reworked their show 48:58 I bet not. put Emanuel Lewis in there. So he was not even. of the show. 49:04 And he was not even supposed to be in it like it was supposed to be called. Then came you like in the theme song? 49:11 But then after that show, did he do anything after that? Nope. 49:16 it's it is wild. It's a I think Gary Coleman too, Do anything. 49:22 It's that kid thing where she, she pretty much did this and it really did nothing after it. 49:28 She had a unique look to her too, you know, like, the big brown eyes and the curly hair. 49:33 I mean, she was very cute. So I don't, and she was good. Yeah. I don't, tend to like child actors, but I thought she was very good. 49:41 See I have a friend that hates movies where the children are the heroes. So I always laugh like he doesn't like the Goonies, and stuff like that. 49:50 He's, Oh, he, he's, he's older than me, but he he like hates the Goonies and he was 49:56 a big Star Wars fan and they came out with a new show on Disney Plus called Re and there's about kids saving pretty much like their planet. 50:03 And I was like, yeah, he's gonna hate this. He is gonna hate this so much. But 50:09 I do like the Goonies, but I think it was because in the Goonies, you feel like you're one of the kids. 50:15 Like it's a yes, whole, movie is kids. Really? Yeah. I think that was the charm of this as a kid is because. 50:23 Curly Sue, the actress was just so great in it that she was funny, charming, 50:29 witty with a lot of different things. And then they threw you a lot of curve balls, even why she was named Curly Sue. 50:35 'cause you, you do look at her and you're like, oh, her name is Curly Sue because you know, she's got all that curly hair. 50:41 And then come to find out that she was named after named Curly Sue after one of the Stooges. 50:46 'cause one of the guys that they were traveling with for the summer thought she 50:51 looked like curly from the three Stooges, which I, would've not have traveled with 50:56 them anymore even if I, was homeless. Yeah. I, I, well, homeless culture is, is really on display 51:04 Yes. in a, is like romanticizing it Yeah. movie. Which we'll get into just really quickly, the budget here, 25 51:13 million box office, 33.7 million. Yeah. I think that's what kind of killed her on it. 51:19 I mean, It made money. It just wasn't like a giant success. And I, I think there were a lot of missed opportunities as well. 51:27 It sounds like you grew up watching this Yes. your history with Curly Sue? So like I said, it was what I call a Cheater Box movie. 51:34 'cause my dad had a cheater box. So I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. I grew up in Niagara Falls, New York, 51:43 Okay. so pretty much you don't go outside too much in the winter. 51:48 So I watched a lot of movies and that kind of helped out. So I watched this a lot as a kid and then all of a sudden as I got 51:54 older was movie on the back burner. I think I watched it once with my kids when they were younger, 52:00 and then I just reviewed it. I wanna say a couple months ago. And then I watched it again for this. 52:06 So that's pretty much it. It's, it's a movie I tell people to watch. Like my daughter's boyfriend when we were on vacation, I 52:12 was like, Hey, watch Curly Sue. And I think he sat down and watched some of it? but I think he turned it off. 52:18 'cause it's I mean he's like 20 years old so he is. not really gonna be too much into, I, think it was one of those things, like 52:24 my girlfriend's dad told me to watch it, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, please him and just turn it on for a little bit. 52:31 I think that's the way it was. Well, when They it when your kids were younger, what did They think of it? 52:37 enjoyed it. They enjoyed it. They thought it was, you know, a good like family movie. 52:43 They thought it was funny, silly. They liked Curly Sue and all of her antics and everything like that. 52:48 'cause she's. Pretty much a mini adult in this. And that's one thing as a kid you're watching and you're like wow, look 52:54 at all this cool stuff she's doing. She's playing poker, she's running like these little scams and stuff like that. 53:01 She's funny and everything else. So you're like, wow, this is pretty, pretty great. So they enjoyed it. 53:07 I don't think they enjoyed as much as the other stuff I've showed them, but Okay. I, they sat through it. 53:12 So that was an accomplishment 'cause we watched. I, yeah, I think like it's just like a different world for 53:18 kids in movies now, so I think Yeah. Have you I have you noticed that movies have gotten longer, and songs 53:25 have gotten shorter or I people think I'm crazy when I say this. 53:30 I remember growing up. gotten longer, like 90 minutes used to be kind of the mark. 53:36 Yeah. And then like you could have a five minute song or like Guns N Roses. 53:41 I think November rains almost about eight. And now my kids. is like 11 or something. 53:46 Yeah. Yeah. And now my kids listen to these songs and they're like done in two minutes, but then they're like, Hey, watch this movie with me. 53:53 And I'm sitting there for three hours and I'm like, did songs get shorter? 53:59 And movies just get longer. That's a interesting point. I have to think more about a bit. 54:06 Some songs, I'm wondering if a lot of things, fashion included, there's like a cycle. 54:11 So now I'm wondering if way back in the day, I feel like movies were very long like 54:17 yeah. of Arabia and like The Godfather, you know, Gone With the Wind is So, 54:23 long. so that. Then they got shorter and now they're getting longer. 54:28 And similar with songs from back in the day. Used to be like a minute, like really Yeah. 54:33 bebop, Doop like I dunno, there's like oldies. I feel like a lot of songs Are very short and then 54:40 Okay. Yeah. and now they're getting short. So I feel like it's just kind of a cycle that's happening. you bring up a good point though. 54:46 I try not to listen to new music. So, and they don't like, they don't like what I listen to. 54:51 'cause I'm like listen to the guitar, solo and stuff like that. Really take everything in, so. inevitable. 54:57 I feel like kids and their parents, although I feel like in some ways, like I love the Rolling Stones because I grew up listening to it. 55:04 'cause Mm-hmm. them. And I don't know if I would, I, I mean I think objectively they're awesome, so 55:10 Yeah. would've anyway, but kind of normal. Kids don't like what their parents like and vice versa. Yeah. 55:17 Yeah, I mean I think this is a very cute. Easy to watch movie. Like you don't have to think too much. 55:23 I very much enjoyed it. I think it could have been better right. But like we open and you're like, okay, it's like this montage of a baby. 55:33 And gym , intermixed with luggage and card playing and crayons and marbles, and then the ring. 55:38 And then now they're hitchhiking loose semi ice that carry a bunch of cars. 55:43 They're Yeah. cars. And so, and then cut to, oh, we're in Chicago, there's a skyscraper. 55:49 And now we meet Gray, the super high powered attorney. And one of the things that I, I wanted to get your opinion on, because 55:56 one of the common themes that I've noticed during the John Hughes season 56:02 he portrays particularly women. Who are very career oriented and they are single and not married 56:12 and don't have kids, and that is portrayed to be an in an insanely 56:17 negative thing in all of his movies. Like they're, they're mean, they're emotionless. They, something is clearly missing from their life. 56:25 I don't know, I I I, maybe one of the things that he, now that you say that maybe that's 56:31 one of the things that in the age that he grew up around that was. 56:37 I wanna say, when was he born? Like in the fifties, sixties, around. Yeah, Yeah, so that was probably not, I think that's probably 56:45 one of the things that he saw. And back then, I mean that was, it was horrible. 56:50 A woman with a, with a career and you're single and you're not married. And I think that kind of hands over into a lot of where that norm is, is 57:01 changed where you can be a successful woman and not be married and not have 57:07 kids 'cause you're more career oriented. Or even if you do, it's okay to be a career woman. 57:13 like how, I think back then it was a lot of things where, how dare you, Mm-hmm. 57:18 You know, not stay at home with the kids. I know my grandmother worked on, worked the line at GM and my mother 57:26 told me that they would, the men would pull horrible pranks on her because she was a woman working the line. 57:34 Doing things of that nature. And they, they didn't like the fact that she was doing that and everything else. 57:40 So I could kind of see in how that generation, if you grew up in that 57:45 generation, how you would actually portray women in that case, in that, 57:51 you know, you can't you can be that way, but you need you, you need a child, you need a husband, you need something. 57:57 You can't just be happy by yourself. It's okay for a man to do that, but it's not okay for a woman. 58:03 And I think that's where that comes from. Where now the norm is changing into, you know, it's okay. 58:10 You, you do you we'll say now. But I think that's the way it was, 58:16 I think you bring up a really good point. It's just, and I have a heightened awareness. To this particular issue because I am not married and don't have kids, and this is 58:26 like the fifth time that I've noticed it in a John Hughes movie where it's like the evil single career oriented woman. 58:33 And I'm like, geez, what's your deal, John Hughes? I think it's just that, I just hear about the stories like my mother would tell me 58:41 'cause my grandmother left my mother's, father at one point and she would say 58:47 that, you know, my grandmother would have to lie and say her husband was in the army just to get, just to get an apartment 58:55 oh. live in. So I think it's that type of thing where you, you need a man. 59:01 That's what it all automatically comes down to is you, you need a man and you, you need one now. 59:07 'cause that's what you're missing is you need a man and you and you need a child and you just need to. 59:13 Settle down to be happy. Your life. And, And we see that here. Her life is not complete until she gets married to Bill And adopts curly Sue. 59:24 And now, now she's happy. Yeah, that's, 59:29 you know, it's, I mean, think I. his, that's his way of saying it. It's, it's interesting. 59:34 It's the nineties though, but yeah, you're right. It wasn't that far removed from, it was like the mid seventies before 59:41 a woman could open a bank account. Right. Like with a probably around there it's, 59:47 it's like crazy how recent that kind of stuff was, if you think about it. it was huge in the fifties when Lucy was 59:54 on. Mm-hmm. pregnant Murphy Brown giving birth was even in the nineties, was 59:59 like, Hey, what are you doing? You can't be doing these things as a woman on tv. 1:00:04 I mean, how long did it take? Even for in the entertainment world where you would see a married couple sleeping in the same bed? 1:00:10 Right. That was like the other Mm-hmm. so I think that's where it kind of like plays into its writing 1:00:16 Yeah, no. Yeah, you're probably right. I don't think he's going so. No, I know. 1:00:21 I, the, I just happen to notice it because I'm like, and I'm not even like a high powered attorney. I'm just like, I'm good, you know? 1:00:30 I also, I noted that after the, they go to this fancy restaurant that, 1:00:36 so, which is kind of a funny scene. Clearly they've done this before, the ma d knows them, but they, there's 1:00:42 like a distraction so that curly, so can go get some food from the buffet. And then they do this car hitting scam. 1:00:49 To scam. Kelly Lynch into thinking that she backed over Bill. And they show the scene of her using a payphone and how disgusted she is with it. 1:01:01 I don't know why I, that very much resonated with me. 'cause that would've been the same way. I'm like, does anybody have a, like a, any Purell that I can put on, 1:01:07 Oh, put on this phone, like at the jail or, I can't remember where they were that she had to use a payphone. 1:01:13 the Rocky, Rocky Fell's House of Beef. How? Yes. Yes. That's exactly where she was. 1:01:20 That's right. That's right. Rocky Fell's House of Beef. I don't know why 1:01:26 I remember that aspect of the movie, but I. It's funny. It's a funny name. I. Yeah. 'cause I would, I almost thought she was gonna say Rocky Horrors, and I was 1:01:35 like, no, it's Rocky, Rocky fellers. But I, I agree. And she's just seems very disgusted throughout that whole 1:01:42 entire thing that you know, that they're eating and enjoying this. Food that she would never eat because she would go to the, fancy 1:01:51 restaurant and not get a T-bone steak as they yell at a cross. 1:01:57 Mm-hmm. it was weird that they had steps in there, like that's how she went to the bathroom. 1:02:02 'cause she had to go brush her teeth. 'cause she, she did it in Detroit though. That was always, I noticed that was kind of the running gag 1:02:09 and everything is go do this. I did it in Detroit. Well you did it in Detroit, you're gonna do it in Chicago. 1:02:17 Everything else, but yeah, she was, see, I don't think I would've mine that much with the payphone. 1:02:24 'cause I think I would maybe in that setting, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of grease going in the air. But 1:02:30 Yeah. And yeah, like that type of a place, they probably never clean that phone and you know, 1:02:36 no, I so they ever cleaned that place. I think I'm a bit of a germ phobe, so maybe that's why I was like, yeah, I 1:02:41 wouldn't she was really grossed out by it. I'm I'm sure they serve the toughest stakes possible. 1:02:47 Those are not prime choice stakes either at Rockefeller's House of Beef. 1:02:52 kind of surprised they got steaks and not just like a hot dog or something, you know. Yeah. She really kind of went all out like, 1:02:58 Yeah. just go to McDonald's? Mm-hmm. Now the ring that the guy you mentioned the, the guy at the homeless 1:03:06 shelter steals curly sue's ring. That, that we learn is has some meaning. 1:03:11 A ring was given to her by her mother when she was a baby, and that essentially to her means that you're abandoning me and then that, that it has paid off later. 1:03:21 But it was just like a costume jewelry ring. Why did he even think that that would be worth anything to steal? 1:03:29 Or was that just like a plot device, I know? a, I think it was a plot device. 'cause as a kid I was like, oh man, he got ripped off. 1:03:37 He just wants $15. But once again, when you watch it as an adult, you're like, he knew 1:03:43 that it wasn't worth that much. Then they make the pawn shop guy like seemed kind of be like nice, 1:03:51 but not nice at the same time. Just gonna give him this $15 and tell him to leave. But if he doesn't leave, I'm gonna call the cops on him. 1:03:58 Mm-hmm. that was more of a plot device and to say, this is your one. 1:04:03 Not just sentimental valuable thing, but your one valuable thing and it got stolen 1:04:10 Mm. Mm-hmm. guy. And how does she not feel that? Right. Th that's where, this is where I'm, this is, I, I feel this is very lazy writing 1:04:21 through some of this movie as I watch it. There's a lot of stuff where I'm, I'm starting to question things and 1:04:27 why things got left in, Like what, what else got that got left in? I don't know if you notice this, and I've watched this movie. 1:04:34 This is the second time probably watching it in a couple of months and then watching it all the time as a kid. 1:04:40 So when she does hit him with The car The next day he actually does. 1:04:45 Yep. Yep. next day, and she brings him to the house, the doctor that is there, did 1:04:51 you notice when he was le, I don't even know why I was like even looking or 1:04:56 anything, but when he's leaving, after he gives her a kiss and says, you know, 1:05:01 I'm right upstairs or down the hall or whatever, he is like picking a wedgie. 1:05:07 Like, like Go back. And I'm like, I did not notice that. I never, I've watched this, I gotta say I've watched this movie at least 1:05:16 10 times, twice in the past two months. And that is the first time I ever seen it. And I'm watching him to watching, I'm like, okay, this is where he 1:05:23 says, you know, I'm right down the hall and I'm trying to pick up on, I think, 'cause I was trying to pick up on new things 1:05:30 mm-hmm. and. If I rewatch a show, like an older show, I'll 1:05:35 pay more attention to the background Right. or something like that. And I think that's what I was doing here. But when he leaves and she's about to close, right? 1:05:42 When she's about to close the door, he is picking a wedgie I did not. And I'm like, why would 1:05:47 you leave that? Like, why wouldn't you just you're right. take. you're right. Or just cut that last part out, I guess. 1:05:54 Yeah. 'cause I had, this is probably the second time I've seen this movie. And the first one was 30 years ago. 1:05:59 I was more like, why are you not going to the hospital? 1:06:05 With this man that you hit with your car, he is a homeless stranger, and you think, oh, I have this gorgeous three bedroom, by the way, apartment. 1:06:16 She's a single person with a three bedroom apartment in downtown Chicago and has a 1:06:21 housekeeper that's wild in and of itself. I know that she's wealthy, but three bedrooms 1:06:27 Yeah. downtown Chicago. Then she's like, I think I just better bring them to my house and have a 1:06:33 doctor come do a house call on them. Yeah. And who, what doctor did a house call in the nineties? 1:06:40 Unless same, I know. I Unless. was like, but. That's why she's like, oh, I'll just have my neighbor who's a doctor, come 1:06:48 take a look at you instead of, maybe you need some medical attention at a hospital for your safety, and B, you're a homeless stranger there. 1:06:57 There is. Would you, in any world, you're a man. Even even if you didn't have a family or anything, would you ever be like 1:07:05 come, come Convalesce at my house. it happened one time. 1:07:10 My wife is a lot more trusting than I am I am. not. up in two different kind of childhoods in a way. 1:07:17 And one time I was sitting on my couch and and she was outside, and all of 1:07:23 a sudden this lady came into my house and she was like, oh, your wife said it was okay to use the bathroom. 1:07:29 And I'm like, I was taken aback. And I was like, oh, o okay. 1:07:36 So I went outside and I was like, did you just tell some lady she could use her bath? She was like, yeah. She said that they were driving around and she couldn't find a bathroom, 1:07:45 and we lived like five minutes away from a McDonald's, but like another five minutes away from like a Walmart, a Denny's or anything else. 1:07:53 And I'm like, this never. Crossed your mind. So don't, you could people, you could come at me how you want, but in my mind 1:08:03 I'm like, this lady's case in my house. She's case in my house. She wants to see what I got in there. 1:08:09 'cause she poked her head in there and did that little look around. So I like, I, I'm not gonna lie, I called the police and I was like, 1:08:18 listen, my wife just let some random lady in my house and I think. And then they sat outside in front of the house for a while and I was 1:08:25 like, I think they're casing my house. out nothing really came of it. They didn't have anything going against them or anything, but I don't know, I just 1:08:32 didn't feel So were there other people in the car with that She had a boyfriend or a husband. 1:08:38 There was a guy in the car with her. Yeah, I wouldn't, because first of all, she, so the story doesn't even make sense. 1:08:46 So you just stop at a random residential home? No, no, Yeah. 1:08:52 no. Yeah. I'm with you Andrew. Not happening. up in I mean, I didn't wanna say I grew up in a bad neighborhood. 1:08:58 Niagara Falls is not the best area Oh, really? I've never been. Oh, okay. Well, it go, go to the Canadian side. 1:09:05 It is not the best it area. My uncle always told me, 'cause he moved to Florida, like when 1:09:11 he was young and stuff like that. He always told me it's a great place to be from. It is. It is a great place to be from. 1:09:16 It is not what it used to be. Mm the best. It's not the best area where my wife grew up in another section of New York where it 1:09:26 was like, you can leave your door unlocked and mm. And Niagara Falls. It was like you're locking that. 1:09:31 You're locking that. You're not gonna go to this place, you're not gonna go to this place, you're not gonna go to this place type of of area. 1:09:37 It, I don't wanna put down my hometown, but it is not the best. I went back there a couple years ago after living in Texas and I was like. 1:09:46 This. I don't ever wanna come back to this at all. That's an, I mean, that does make sense if you guys came from different places. 1:09:53 I came from small town Nebraska, so I come from the type of place probably 1:09:59 your wife nothing happens here. It's like small town Nebraska. But I think I'm just like extremely leery of people because I hate humans. 1:10:06 As a speech I, You know, I'm like, I literally have a mug that says I hate people, so I trust no one. 1:10:12 There you go. Yeah. You do. But yeah, I would've not have that would when I was rewatching this, 1:10:17 I do believe, I got in my notes. I'm like, why didn't she just go to a hospital? you could have, could have still taken him to a hospital, dropped him off, 1:10:27 you know, leave your phone number with. Mm-hmm. You know, the, the billing department at the hospital says, I'm gonna 1:10:32 take care of all of his billing. Yep. Maybe say, Hey you know, she's probably worried about getting sued. 1:10:38 I'm a high power attorney here. What could we settle? I'm pretty sure they would've settled for a small amount, pocket change 1:10:45 money to her, but these are money for us, you know, type of thing. So that's what I didn't understand. 1:10:51 Like he just, I. I felt like it was, I need to get this done. Yep. 1:10:56 like it's a, it started out something good, like a last minute book report as a kid where I'm gonna do so amazing. 1:11:03 And the next thing you know, you gotta get so many words and then all of a sudden you're like, if I turn didn't into, did not, 1:11:12 there we go. I added a word and Increase the font. Yeah. You know, everything like that. 1:11:17 To get the pages hit that extra double space. Sometimes Yep. like, oh, I tripled space on that one, but I'm not gonna go back and fix it. 1:11:25 type of deal. When it came to, when it came to this I'm just gonna throw something out there and see 1:11:31 what happens. Yeah, it all happened very quick. It was like there was the setup and then we see Kelly Lynch 1:11:37 falling in love with Curly Sue. That is shown, they have two encounters. There's a montage of them, all eating pizza and getting a, a 1:11:45 proper bath and and going shopping. And then we see Jim Belushi, you know, all he big shocker, he cleans 1:11:52 up nice so that they can fall in love, you know, but they don't show. Aside from the Kelly Lynch falling in love with Curly Sue, it's just all of a sudden 1:12:03 because she wants to adopt Curly Sue. She automatically has this romantic relationship with Jim Belushi, 1:12:10 where we're not shown that at all. Right? I mean, how did they fall in love? 1:12:16 We don't see that. That's where it, it gets weird 'cause she is pretty disgusted by him, I 1:12:23 felt in a lot of parts and else. And doesn't she just like, tell him, almost throw soap at him and 1:12:29 tell him to get into the shower Yeah, probably there's one scene where they're playing the piano 1:12:36 together and he reaches his hand around and that's the extent of, oh, , they like each other now, but 1:12:42 thought a lot of this stuff was uh, movie, mm-hmm. a more pro Hallmark movie when it came to a lot of things where a 1:12:53 lot of things didn't make sense. There's not a whole lot of backstory for a lot of these things like. 1:12:59 I, I applaud, you know, bill dancer for taking a young child, 1:13:04 but from a one night stand. That's all. That's all he said it was, but yet it shows in the montage 1:13:11 of him holding her as a baby. Was that, that day? Right. Right. 'cause it's not, she's not his child. 1:13:19 No. Yeah. It's interesting. And you mentioned the montage. There's tons of montages in this where they were like, we 1:13:26 just need to speed this up. Like even when they finally do go out to dinner, when he gets all, you know, cleaned 1:13:32 up after, after the shopping montage, which is always something and probably 1:13:38 one movie, then all of a sudden it's show me your world. Yes, of like the Aladdin 1:13:45 lady in the Tramp type thing exactly. show me your world now. Let us take you out. 1:13:51 And she says, you have no money. And he says, don't worry. And now they're riding on the back of garbage trucks and popcorn from 1:13:57 the guy in the movie theater and sneaking curly sue in so they can. Get into the back door of the movie theater and crashing weddings, and 1:14:05 that was the one thing where she was like, he does this all the time. I mean, know somebody would be like, why are you being so picky? 1:14:12 But sorry. If you're a homeless person, I think I'm gonna pick you out. Yeah. 1:14:17 a wedding, Right. wedding reception or a wedding, reception that I'm at Yeah. He's not ordinarily cleaned up like that. 1:14:24 Yeah, like I think I'm, I'm picking you up pretty regularly if you're doing a toast, like, who is 1:14:30 Mm-hmm. Like, is he here? That was the one thing, now that I'm went back, when I went back and 1:14:36 watched it, I'm like, doesn't make sense to me either. And all of a sudden Kelly Lynch is totally cool with riding in a garbage truck. 1:14:45 She didn't wanna touch the phone five minutes ago and now, but it's just like, yeah, we can have so much fun for free in this awesome city. 1:14:53 And I guess that was sort of how I. Again, to show us they, they're building on this relationship, but it just fell flat. 1:14:58 There wasn't enough there there wasn't any chemistry, I guess I didn't feel between Kelly Lynch and Jim Belushi and even the shopping scene, who 1:15:08 doesn't love a shopping montage, Yes. It just fell flat. There was a lot of opportunities that were missed that really could 1:15:14 have expanded and built upon these characters , and made us believe the relationship a little bit more. 1:15:21 I enjoy the shopping montage too. What makes it's, it's a very nostalgic thing as I remember going say. 1:15:29 If I did have to go to wedding reception as a kid I need a clothes where you could walk into a Sears or a JC Penney's or Macy's or something and 1:15:37 there would be people at a counter. I. That would measure you and everything else and say this shirt would fit you. 1:15:44 And I remember being measured constantly as a kid because that was the way that it was, is you know, you need a new tie or you need something for a school dance. 1:15:54 We were off at those stores and Mm-hmm. was. measured. Now you walk into those and you can't find a soul to help you. 1:16:02 So that's kind of like one of the last shopping montages that you can actually kind of have where it's in that aspect of 1:16:10 a counter salesperson Unless it's in a, a very like high end place where, you know what I mean? 1:16:17 Like a, where they have like personal shoppers and stuff still, I think that, I don't know. I wouldn't know, but I assume for rich people, they have still 1:16:25 very personalized experiences. I. The only time I seen anything like counter person is Christmas time. 1:16:31 We went to Macy's and there was people behind the fragrance counter oh, the memories. 1:16:37 I didn't realize this, but you know how I'd mentioned that Curly Sue was in an episode of The Golden Girls. 1:16:43 It was the same episode that Ededie McClure was in, Oh I, yeah, so it was just funny that 1:16:50 Alison Porter and Edie Edie McClure appeared in the same episode. And that episode aired just a few weeks before Curly Sue was released. 1:16:59 And I cannot place what episode that was. I can't picture it. And I'm like a huge Golden Girl fan. 1:17:05 So anybody out there, , which episode was this? Please, Please tell me. Yeah, that was a, that was a staple. 1:17:11 When my grandmother would watch us Oh, love. after school It's so good. Golden Girls, Oprah, 1:17:17 nightly news and everything Oh, the nightly news. Yeah. Yeah. So John Hughes also has a tendency to put little Easter eggs in all of his 1:17:26 movies, and I did take note of it, but only because I was looking for it. 1:17:31 Did you notice that the law office is in the Bueller building? I did not. 1:17:37 I've never noticed Yeah. Yeah. It's in reference, obviously to Ferris Bueller. but I noticed the doctor 1:17:42 Yeah. I. Yeah, I guess there was kind of a throwback to the end of Uncle Buck, 1:17:51 which I don't know, I think this is a bit of a stretch, but it's clearly something that John Hughes did on purpose. At the end when curly Sue is walking up the stairs to go to school, she 1:18:00 turns around and waves and smiles, and that is the same as what John Candy does at the end of Uncle Bach. 1:18:07 Oh, okay. See, I remembered I would've never put two to two Yeah. that one. 1:18:13 Probably 'cause Uncle Buck is like a hundred times. better. probably, yeah, 1:18:18 Way better. yeah. Buck, I would say out of John Hughes movies, it's Uncle Buck. 1:18:24 And then breakfast Club are one and two for me when it comes to Okay. Hughes. So. 1:18:30 Because I've, I also forgot to mention, I got my daughter into the John Hughes eighties stuff at one point, but she stopped because I had 1:18:42 to be kind of the mean father in a way where I not like, mean, mean, but she watched, what was it, six? 1:18:49 No, not pretty in pink. Okay. And she was like, duckies, I like Ducky. 1:18:55 And she was like, oh, she was crushing on Ducky. I think she had to be almost 15 or 16 years old when she watched it. 1:19:01 And she was crushing on Ducky. And I was, and of course me or you know, being, being the father 1:19:06 that I am, I'm like, you want to see what Ducky looks like now? So I showed her John Cryer and she was like, yeah, I don't think I wanna. 1:19:13 That is hilarious. It's funny that she liked Ducky 'cause he's the dorky one, Yeah, 1:19:18 you know. it was weird too. But yeah, she really got into the the eighties teen movies at 1:19:24 Mm-hmm. I like that she did. They're fun. yeah, she wanted to watch Breakfast Club. 1:19:30 I wasn't quite sure because I remember some of the little bit more crass stuff that was in it. 1:19:35 So I waited until she got a little bit older to watch that. Does she like it? Yeah. Yeah. Breakfast club's really good. 1:19:42 16 candles. I think her favorite was pretty in pink, Okay. I prefer 16 candles over pretty in pink. 1:19:48 I kind of conflate the two. I recently covered 16 candles and have not yet covered pretty and pink. 1:19:54 But I guess like of those teen movies, I really like weird science. 1:20:01 yeah, if I watched that a lot Yeah, kid, I even watched the TV series, 1:20:06 which I. no, I did not watch that. not watch No. That was, it came out probably. 1:20:15 When did Weird Science come out? 80 45. Probably around there. 86. I think maybe, I think 86. 1:20:23 So USA had the weird science TV show probably about 10 years after 1:20:29 the movie came out. It was that many years later. Yeah. it was. Have you ever seen kingpin? 1:20:36 Yeah. The, the, blonde hair lady from Kingpin Pays, plays Kelly La Rock's 1:20:42 role on the TV show for weird science. I can't picture it. It's been a while since I've seen it, but. 1:20:48 Okay. Interesting. what she, plays there. Alright. Big shocker here. 1:20:54 I'm into kind of some of the trivia stuff, but Kelly Lynch had said she was really excited to work with John Hughes and what a cute little movie. 1:21:02 But it wasn't such a great time for her because she kind of had to play like mom between Jim Belushi and John Hughes, they really did not get along 1:21:13 Oh, and production was even shut down for a little while. 'cause Belushi refused to come to the set for a period of time. 1:21:19 I liked him when I was younger, but now when I went back and watched this, I wanted to say, couldn't 1:21:25 you get somebody better? I'm not a Belushi fan. I, I, yeah, 1:21:31 yeah. Like I tend to go with the younger brother, considering I'm the younger sibling on things. 1:21:38 So even in football, like I'm a big Eli Manning guy over Peyton Manning. Okay. I, I love Eli. 1:21:43 Like I almost knew my son Eli. And in this I. I watched James Belushi, but then my dad was 1:21:50 like, Hey, should check out Blues Brothers an Animal House. Mm-hmm. I saw John was like, James is horrible compared to John. 1:21:59 Like the, the charisma factor is way off. So I always thought it was weird to have Jim Belushi in this role. 1:22:06 I can't think of anybody probably at this time that would probably take a role like this, but thinking. 1:22:12 Maybe it wasn't always meant for him, and I was getting that feeling throughout this whole entire time. So when you told me that I could definitely believe 1:22:19 that there's like that, this tension between the two. I have a cent trivia about who else was considered for the role. 1:22:26 Okay. But just on Jim Belushi for a second he's better in some things than others, 1:22:32 but he doesn't have charisma yet. He has had a magnificent career. 1:22:37 I think it's the name. Yeah, maybe. I mean, even Chris Penn had a good career, 1:22:43 True. You're right. but I, Chris Penn, I feel from watching re Reservoir Dogs, like feel he's. 1:22:51 Not quite with his brother, his brother's Mm-hmm. but I feel like it's kind of more than what Jim had 1:22:59 compared to John in a way. Like I can understand Chris, where Chris was, did a lot of under stuff 1:23:06 where Jim, I felt like tried to shoot for the moon and be his brother. It just never compared. 1:23:12 'cause I think he's in Blues Brothers 2000 and that movie just wasn't like, why did you even make this? 1:23:18 I understand the Blues Brothers are great, but it's not, it's not the same. 1:23:25 Right. it's Jake and Ellwood, not, you know, Ellwood and all these other guys that 1:23:30 Mm-hmm. up like 'em. They just dress up like a blues brother. I must just be the name because like he had a really long running TV series that 1:23:39 was super mediocre, but it ran forever. I don't know. Ah, Yeah, then he 1:23:44 Then he started growing marijuana. I guess he had his own show where it was just about him growing marijuana or something. 1:23:50 I missed that. always see it like if I go through stuff and it's like calling Growing Belushi, 1:23:55 I've never heard of that. just a big marijuana leaf right there. All right. So he's. 1:24:02 Well, bill Murray turned down the role. 'Cause he was busy shooting. What about Bob? But even that okay, Kelly Lynch is gorgeous. 1:24:08 You got, I mean, come on, get somebody. Bill Murray is not an attractive man. And 1:24:14 she, guy. I could, I can see. I could see it. Yeah. 1:24:19 But I think originally Alec Baldwin was supposed to play bill dancer. 1:24:26 Okay. Which, which makes way more sense that tracks for Kelly Lynch. 1:24:31 I could buy them as a couple, you know. yeah. But he was doing a streetcar named Desire, the Broadway production. 1:24:38 So he was unavailable and then like tons of these other people were considered for bill, like j John Travolta, Jeff Goldblum, Michael 1:24:48 Keaton, Richard Dreyfus, Kurt Russell. That would've been good. 1:24:53 Kurt Russell would've been great. John Goodman, Sylvester Stallone, would've been horrible. 1:24:59 John Goodman or Stallone. Stallone. Yeah. I agree. I'm a 1:25:04 seen that? What is it? The comedy where I the mobster 1:25:10 Oscar, I. Yes. Oscar. Oh my. I fall for that one all the time. I'm like, oh, Oscar's here. 1:25:16 I'm think I'm gonna watch this. And I watch it. I'm like, this is not what I want it to Granted, I haven't seen it in a while, but I recall really liking it. 1:25:22 And you might not be aware, Andrew, but I have another show that I do. I'm on a Rocky Series podcast, so I have a soft spot for Stallone, but this would 1:25:32 be, he would not be good in this at all. I, he's very. 1:25:37 It depends on the role. I'm not a big sly, like in a comedy role type deal. 1:25:43 people aren't. It is not. It's not his strong suit. I want same. kind of pulled it 1:25:49 Mm-hmm. twins, but I think that's because he had Danny DeVito with him Yeah. was kind of like a way to play it off. 1:25:55 If you're an action guy and you try and go into comedy, I feel like it doesn't, It's tough. 1:26:01 It's harder than it looks, I think. Yeah. doesn't work for you. Yeah. Also, Mel Gibson, Ray Liotta, Jeff Bridges, Steve Gutenberg, 1:26:10 Bruce Willis and Tom Selleck. I would've gone with Bruce Willis. I can see Bruce Wills being really good. 1:26:17 I think Bruce Willis is more every man out of all those guys where he's not like. 1:26:25 Wow, look at him. But he makes sense, especially if you watched Moonlighting or anything. 1:26:30 That's true. I, I adore Kurt Russell, but he's probably too good looking. Maybe. 1:26:36 Maybe. But I can buy. And anyway, anyway, so that was, what I see, Kurt Russell, I think of 1:26:41 Oh, huh. I could see, yeah, he would, I could see him in that, 'cause he kind of did this in a way with Overboard 1:26:49 Right. Yeah, little, you know, impoverished guy that just trying to make it through the 1:26:55 world. So I, I could see that he's very charming Too. I can see like that you know, being impressive to Kelly Lynch's character. 1:27:05 But yeah, I would've, I would've liked pretty much anybody else. I. No except for Richard Dreyfuss not a fan. 1:27:12 That would've been horrible. I don't like that. Mm-hmm. no, I'm, I he kind of too dorky, like, why would you fall in love with the, 1:27:22 it's horrible, the homeless dork as I got on my action figure is behind me. But once again, why would you, why would you, you know, 1:27:30 fall for and he's so kind of whiny. 1:27:36 He is whiny and I think he's also notorious for being hard to work with. So I don't know, I, I wouldn't have cast him. 1:27:42 I am trying to think who else that's, yeah. I would've gone with Bruce Willis. I think I would've 1:27:47 Yeah, I think that's a good call. he Um, he would've done better. Kurt Russell. 1:27:53 I could see. I. he can get that, that grit to him. I think you need somebody with a little bit of grit where I don't 1:27:59 think Bill Murray's got that. Streetwise grit to him as much he's just more 1:28:08 like witty in a way. Yeah, I could. You're, I see what you're saying. Mm-hmm. I need, I need a guy that look good. 1:28:15 Dirty. Ray, Ray Liotta was, was another one, I guess. And he's like attractive, but not overly so, 1:28:22 plus it all depends on what movies I've seen him in before. And if I gotta relate him to that, like I'm a Big Sopranos fan and my 1:28:28 wife will watch shows and see a guy from The Sopranos and there was a guy that, he was a snitch and she was like on one of her doctor shows. 1:28:37 And I was like, that's that rat Jimmy. And she was like, what? I was like, that's the rat. Jimmy. 1:28:43 Jimmy Ratted on him. From Sopranos. Oh God, that's such, that's still like in my top five shows of all time. 1:28:49 I love it so much. Mm-hmm. Christina Ricci, I guess, was the first choice. 1:28:54 That's who John Hughes wanted to play. Curly Sue 'cause he had seen her in mermaids. 1:29:00 Oh yeah she was great at Mm-hmm. But She was busy shooting the Adams Family, which is a great movie. 1:29:07 Also from 91. I can't believe that's 91. I know. I want to like place it later, but. 1:29:14 I know right. And Natasha Leone auditioned for the part and I could see her doing a good job. 1:29:21 The, just a redheaded version of Curly Sue. But I really liked, I li I had no problem with our curly Sue. 1:29:28 I thought she, she did a good job. no, she was good. So any, any guesses for who was considered for Kelly Lynch's character? 1:29:36 Gray Ellison? Geez, at this point. Mm-hmm. 1:29:42 I'm trying to think who was big and I, you probably got what Meryl Streep, 1:29:47 but she's probably too high She's too big. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think. 1:29:55 Geez, she's probably Cher, but she's doing mermaids. Mm-hmm. 1:30:00 I could See a. Keaton, but Ooh, good. Yeah. Good, good call. 1:30:06 But that, that movie was kind of already made baby boom. She kind of already Yeah, she already did that. watching that as a kid. 1:30:12 My mother was a big fan of the movie, baby Boom. Me too. still remember her making her own Baby 1:30:18 food. Yes. business. 'cause she was the high powered, this was the thing of the eighties. Maybe the high powered single lady with no kids. 1:30:24 And then watch her fish Outta Water story with that kind of a woman now loving. 1:30:30 Being a mother Yep. Linda Hamilton was considered and she was unavailable 'cause she was doing T two and then a bunch of other ladies, including, I could see 1:30:39 almost all of these doing a good job. I had no problem with Kelly Lynch, but she didn't blow it out of the water. 1:30:45 So Gina Davis, I would've loved that. I am a big fan of Gina 1:30:50 me too. gone back and watched some Family Ties episodes and she was great in that as Who was she in? 1:30:56 Family Ties. So, Baxter was. 1:31:01 at that Mm-hmm. I think they were playing off that she was sick or something, she wasn't on the show, 1:31:07 so she was the housekeeper. Gina Davis. Oh. but she wasn't like a normal housekeeper. 1:31:13 She came from, I guess a family of kind of providence. Like she was a, almost like a trust fund baby, but she wanted 1:31:21 to prove that she could do things. So she was a terrible housekeeper. But they kept her Kee not Michael a, you know, 1:31:29 Alex p Keaton. thought she was good looking Shocking. the father felt bad for her. 1:31:35 So it was kind of like one of those, how definitely the show is where, he's the 1:31:40 more liberal one and he feels bad for her 'cause she's just trying to make her way. But then the conservative guy's like, well she's pretty good 1:31:47 looking so let's just keep her on. And she like burns food and everything else. 1:31:53 I do not recall this at all, and I thought I had seen all of family ties, but I guess not. I've watched some good portion of it and there was some people on there where 1:32:02 I was like, oh my goodness, I forgot. Like chunk from the Goonies is on There and everything else. There were a lot of guest stars that I, I can remember, but 1:32:10 yeah, I, I, I really do like her. I like Kirsti Ali too. She was considered 1:32:15 but I don't think I'd like her in this yeah, I can, I kind of agree. Olivia Newton John, I don't really have feelings. 1:32:21 I don't care. I don't, she's just like, eh, to me. I think she's just there in a lot of roles. 1:32:27 Like even in Greece, she's like the star, but she's just like there. That falls behind the scenes compared to a Rizzo or 1:32:34 right. anybody else. She doesn't have that charisma. I agree. Laura Dern, Andy McDowell, who I can see Andy 1:32:43 Yeah. also doing a good job. Sigourney Weaver. Jamie Lee Curtis. 1:32:50 I could see Jamie Lee Curtis, so Gorney Weaver maybe. 1:32:56 'cause if it's a role in, you know, the whole Alien series, just feel like she would overpower, 1:33:01 I think so too. Jim Belushi in there. like she would just overpower that I think so 1:33:07 too. like even more than Kelly Lynch did. Kathleen Turner, who probably hadn't been in a whole lot in 1:33:13 a little while at this time, I. Mm-hmm. Then also Goldie Hawn. 1:33:19 I think it would've been hilarious if it was Goldie Ha and Kurt Russell Yeah. back together again. 1:33:26 Favorite goalie ha movie is Wildcats. That's my favorite I don't think I've seen Wildcat ever seen where she 1:33:32 is like the football coach or something. it is great 'cause it's, opposite of way that Kelly buried in 1:33:40 portrayed in this, where, she has to earn the respect of the Yeah, I. She's not as rr but she is, in a way, it's, it's very good. 1:33:50 other part I found weird in the writing in this is the boss, if you notice at the end, beginning, he says, relax, don't go so hard. 1:33:59 And then all of a sudden at the end he's like, ease up. No, he's like, he's like, what are you doing? 1:34:05 Where have you been? Yeah, back away from this. And then where have you been? Get away and everything. It's like, what do you 1:34:10 want from her Yeah, he tells her to take it easy, there was also a weird storyline, like 1:34:16 half, half storyline that they didn't really do anything with, , the wife who, so there's a divorce happening. 1:34:23 Kelly Lynch is representing the wife and she's really going hard. And what's his face? 1:34:29 The Fred Thompson Fred Thompson. Yeah, Yeah, he, he's like, no, no, no, no. , The husband doesn't want a divorce, but he doesn't wanna be 1:34:37 with her or something like that. Like it would cost him too much money. I. Or, yeah, he doesn't wanna give her anything. 1:34:43 She doesn't, he wants the divorce. She doesn't want the divorce, but he doesn't want to give her anything. 1:34:48 So he's like a city council member or something because she uses the dirt. 1:34:53 That she's got on him to get Curly Sue out of child Protective Services because her boyfriend, 1:35:02 Mr. Walt Walker Mm-hmm. Child Protective Services. 'cause He's mad He's jealous. 1:35:08 Yeah. You know, Jim Belushi's getting what he has and everything so she like uses that against him, which is the city council member is. 1:35:17 I forget what his name is, plays in Beverly Hills Cop Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. 1:35:25 he's in Beverly Hills Cop. But yeah, they were like, Hey, we're gonna put this subplot in the beginning, but now we're not 1:35:31 gonna go back to it until we need it. But it sort of doesn't make sense though, because , then after Kelly Lynch softens 1:35:38 up and is no longer like a killer with this divorce, she somehow then convinces 1:35:43 the wife that she really loves him still and doesn't wanna get a divorce at all. 1:35:48 And then Fred Thompson is like, no, no, no. He doesn't want that. Yeah, I was like, what? 1:35:54 What's the point of this? Like, why was this a part of this movie? The only time it came into play was 1:36:01 to pull a favor with a city official. Mm-hmm. And that was after that It was done. But the back and forth of what the husband and wife wanted, I was like, why? 1:36:09 Why is this here? I don't know. Weird. it was. They just had it added in. So later on they could go back and say, oh, see, this is why. 1:36:19 It's, it's very, Very very odd. very, odd. I could see why this is his last big kind of writing and stuff like 1:36:27 that, other than anything else. 'cause it's just not as coming of age or anything of that nature as it. 1:36:36 thing too about this I don't think it automatically knew what it wanted to be. 1:36:42 a way, Mm-hmm. does it wanna be a heartwarming comedy, or do you want it to do like a slapstick comedy in a way? 1:36:49 Because there was a lot of part where she hits him at the board and he goes flying, or gets thrown into the van then there was sound effects like, what are we do? 1:36:59 what are we That's from home alone. I noticed that when we covered Dennis the menace too, like he 1:37:05 pulls a lot from home alone. But then it's the menace. I could see it, but in this what do you want it 1:37:10 Mm-hmm. That's one of the things like when I, when we review a movie is, doesn't know what it wants to 1:37:16 Mm-hmm. We just reviewed a movie called Bingo that. Probably is a cult classic. It's about a boy. 1:37:22 It's like a parody of a boy of his dog. Oh, And it's, it's very, very absurd. 1:37:28 Very problem child. Early nineties peewee, big adventure mold. 1:37:34 Mm-hmm. like we gave it pretty high ratings, but that's only because we knew it. It knew what it 1:37:40 Right. when it comes to Curly Sue, as great as it is, like when I'm watching it now. 1:37:45 I don't think it knows what it wants to be and it, directions, like we said, are in nine different directions and it doesn't give you any type of detail 1:37:55 of why, why this came to be in a way. Yeah, it's sort of like, it goes 75% of the way there and then falls 1:38:04 short in a lot of different ways. It's a basic movie and there's nothing wrong with a basic movie, no. I, it could have been something special. 1:38:12 And I do think that Hughes has at this time he's lost a little bit of his magic is, my closing thoughts. 1:38:18 What about you? What are your closing thoughts on Curly Sue Andrew? yeah, I just feel like he's lost his magic. 1:38:25 I'm, like I said, I'm into wrestling. There's a. A term, you know, you, you book a wrestler and you book a storyline 1:38:31 and of the guys that I listen to uses a term lazy booking Mm. just feel this is lazy 1:38:37 Mm-hmm. Hughes part. This is a guy that turned out classic after classic and 1:38:44 I, that the magic was gone. There's nothing that it, it's here. I think it's a great movie. 1:38:51 Or down, down, down the road if I had grandkids or something, or if 1:38:57 I'm babysitting younger kids and it's there, but it's not my first choice 1:39:03 to show somebody that like it's. It. It's like you're scrolling through streaming 'cause you don't 1:39:11 know what to watch, so you're just on Netflix or something. All of a sudden you're like, oh, there's Curly Sue. 1:39:16 But then something else is right next to it. Like Ferris Beeler's Day off, I'm gonna go to Ferris Bueller. 1:39:22 A hundred percent. That's where, that's where it lies. Yeah. 1:39:27 Bound, the Incredible Journey. Oh yeah. I listened to that one. Yeah. I was like no, no. 1:39:32 this. is, this is not for me anymore Yeah. It's funny when you revisit things. Yeah. And, and I feel the, kind of the same with Curly Sue. 1:39:40 I'm not seeking this out as an Mm-hmm. I, this is probably my last viewing of Curly Sue for this 1:39:50 That's probably it. I will talk highly of it just because of my nostalgia Mm-hmm. a family thing, but other than that, it's. 1:39:57 It's kind of a wayside movie. It's the, $5 bin at Walmart, , with the DOSA DVDs. 1:40:04 That's, but I, I, enjoy it if I watch it, but it's not anything I'm seeking out anytime soon. 1:40:10 And the wheels have definitely fell off at this part. The magic's gone. You're not 1:40:16 what you used to do, I concur. Which is sad because this is his last, effort as a director and 1:40:22 it's not what we really want. It's not the way we want him to go out, so to speak I know it seems we're being a little hard on it, but it's I think sometimes that happens 1:40:30 when you have high expectations when somebody puts out such great work. And then, this isn't a bad movie, but it's not a great movie. 1:40:38 But it was fun reminiscing about it with you, Andrew, and, was great. I had a great 1:40:43 time. Also, some of the pop culture from 1991. It was fun to go back in time with you. 1:40:48 Thank you so much for joining me on Retro Made. Please tell us where we can find you. 1:40:55 You find us. I have a YouTube channel, but that's more just kind of doing let's plays 1:41:00 and if we do anything a little bit more visual, I'll put that up there. I'm on a network, the B-I-C-B-P Radio Network. 1:41:07 You can find us there. Spotify, apple Podcast. We're. Kind of had a little bit problem with our feed. 1:41:14 So my friend who runs the network is archiving our old episodes into our new feed. 1:41:19 That should all be caught up after a while. Awesome. Well, I will have links to where we can find you in the show notes. 1:41:27 So thanks again, Andrew, This that That's it for our look at Curly Sue, a bittersweet end to Hugh's directorial run. 1:41:36 If you enjoyed this episode, please don't forget to follow, review or drop me a note. 1:41:41 I'd love to hear your thoughts and until next time, be kind, rewind.