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The Princess Diaries · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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Speaker 1: This is Teddy tea pod with Teddy Mellen Cabinet. Hi,
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Speaker 1: you guys, welcome to this week's Teddy Te Pod. I
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Speaker 1: am here with Sam Rubin, who you guys know is
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Speaker 1: the entertainment anchor for kak L and Maureen News, the
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Speaker 1: number one news program in Los Angeles, and I am
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Speaker 1: excited to be talking about the Oprah interview that we
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Speaker 1: watched last night. Sam, Thank you so much for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Happy to do, Teddy. You know you and I were
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Speaker 1: the only ones who watched it. Uh. CBS is saying
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Speaker 1: seventeen million people tuned in, and that's the initial number,
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Speaker 1: you know, people who d v AR didn't watching it.
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Speaker 1: A little later that will be added up. So I
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Speaker 1: wasn't sure how many people would actually tune in. But
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Speaker 1: I tell you what, you put two very famous people
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Speaker 1: together along with Oprah Winfrey, and you know it's one
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Speaker 1: of the highest rated shows of the year. Well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: to start off, Oprah is so incredible. She has such
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Speaker 1: a way to show empathy, compassion, but also get great
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Speaker 1: information without it coming off in any sort of way
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Speaker 1: to offend anyone, but also by getting both sides of
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Speaker 1: the story. I'm just so blown away. By every interview
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Speaker 1: that she does. Well, you know, the thing that she does, Teddy,
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Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't do, is she actually listens.
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Speaker 1: I think, uh these you know, press John gets through
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Speaker 1: other circumstances. You see people walk in with a list
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Speaker 1: of questions and they're just reading their questions. They're not
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Speaker 1: paying attention to the answers and experience interviewers though the
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Speaker 1: the next question is always a result of the answer.
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Speaker 1: So I think you saw a lot of really genuine moments.
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Speaker 1: And there was this part, particularly when talking about potential,
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Speaker 1: you know, horrific uh sort of act of prejudice against
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Speaker 1: at this point uh un or an archie where we're
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Speaker 1: over just goes what like she you know, the way
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Speaker 1: we would all react. She literally couldn't believe what Megan
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Speaker 1: was saying to her. I agree, and I think not
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Speaker 1: only does she listen, but she waits and will ask
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Speaker 1: the question almost again, you know, as you know, to
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Speaker 1: what you were saying, the what or she'll repeat what
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Speaker 1: what the person said so that they can then add
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Speaker 1: to it, so then you get even more to the
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Speaker 1: story than what they originally said, which is just I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's so helpful. And I think also going into this interview,
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Speaker 1: I had my own assumptions of what would happen from
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Speaker 1: what I've seen play out in the press. And I
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Speaker 1: feel like this was like an unveiling each you know,
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Speaker 1: each little segment there was something else that you found
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Speaker 1: out and you're like, wow, I'm really learning from this,
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Speaker 1: or well it already changed my opinion from what I
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Speaker 1: felt seven minutes ago. Um because she just had a
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Speaker 1: way of getting the information out there. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: I I I I have to be honest, Like, going
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Speaker 1: into this interview today and talking with you about it,
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Speaker 1: I had a little bit of anxiety even talking about
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Speaker 1: all the things that that were said in the interview.
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Speaker 1: And so if I'm having anxiety talking about this on
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Speaker 1: my own podcast, could you imagine being a royal and
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Speaker 1: making a mistake on what you're allowed to talk about
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Speaker 1: and what you're not Well, it's doubt only that, but
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Speaker 1: one thing because of the you know, highly highly charged
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Speaker 1: things that she said. You know, in other circumstances, if
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Speaker 1: somebody had leveled against a charge against somebody else, they
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Speaker 1: may well, you know, stand up for themselves and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know what she misunderstood or you know what that's
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Speaker 1: not true? But you're kind of hearing absolutely nothing from
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Speaker 1: the palace today, and I don't think you will in
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Speaker 1: the next couple of days. We'll see one thing that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: As Teddy, you and I are having this conversation. This
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Speaker 1: Oprah conversation now airs around the world, So on Sunday night,
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Speaker 1: folks on in the US today on Monday, Australia, other
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Speaker 1: countries in the Commonwealth, New Zealand, uh, the UK itself.
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Speaker 1: So you know, obviously the interview was out there, but
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Speaker 1: to see the whole thing in its totality in areas
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Speaker 1: were frankly, they're probably more interested in Megan and Harry
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Speaker 1: than we are in the US, and especially now that
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Speaker 1: it's everywhere. You know, I knew even watching it on
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Speaker 1: West Coast speed versus the East Coast feed, I was
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Speaker 1: seeing things play out through the press. There were clothes,
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Speaker 1: there were different things coming through, and it made me
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Speaker 1: want to see it more so I could understand what
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Speaker 1: was happening. And I mean a lot of what they
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Speaker 1: talked about from the beginning was from being you know,
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Speaker 1: nation's heroine to nation's villain, and the difference between famous
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Speaker 1: people and royals. Well, I tell you what I think
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Speaker 1: royals are at a different here because you know, fame
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Speaker 1: as a kind of disposable commodity in America in else
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Speaker 1: places around the world. But you know there are people
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Speaker 1: who are stored. When when you said that phrase, I
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Speaker 1: don't know why my mind jumped to this, but it
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Speaker 1: just did. During the whole o J thing for a
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Speaker 1: period of time, for you know, six weeks, Kato Kalin
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Speaker 1: was the most famous in America, and you know it
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Speaker 1: testified at the trial and I remember being at the
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Speaker 1: Four Seasons on Dohenian Burden away Um and a Mother's
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Speaker 1: Day dinner with her brunch with my mom, and Kato
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Speaker 1: walked into the room and the room literally froze. And
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Speaker 1: now flash forward X number of years later, Kato could
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Speaker 1: be a bus boy at that same restaurant and nobody
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Speaker 1: would pay any attention. So it's really interesting how, you know,
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Speaker 1: fame good, but but but royal fame. Uh you know,
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Speaker 1: look how long the monarchy has has endured. That to
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Speaker 1: me is that it entirely different levels. So uh, you
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Speaker 1: know again, and this is one other thing about Mega Marco.
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Speaker 1: Megan Marco was a successful working actress on a moderately
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Speaker 1: successful cable TV series for seven years, and that puts
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Speaker 1: her in the same company I don't know's two or
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Speaker 1: three hundred other people, but obviously meeting and becoming engaged
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Speaker 1: and then Marry and Harry puts her at a totally
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Speaker 1: different level. Yeah, And I think they started the interview
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Speaker 1: off by saying, listen, guys, no matter what you've seen,
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Speaker 1: there's no agreement here. There was no payment because so
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Speaker 1: already people were saying, Okay, the only reason they did
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Speaker 1: this is because of payment, But like, what was the
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Speaker 1: actual purpose of the interview? That's what I think. You know, wait,
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Speaker 1: that's a good question too. And and and I think
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Speaker 1: this brings up sort of a debate. Alright, they are
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Speaker 1: very very famous, They are very well known, and this
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Speaker 1: interview only increases their fame and their notoriety. Well, fame
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Speaker 1: and notoriety can be commercialized. They have a big deal
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Speaker 1: with Netflix, they have a big deal with Spotify, so
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Speaker 1: they're doing this interview quote unquote for free, but it
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Speaker 1: does fuel their commercial interests as well. So I don't think,
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Speaker 1: you know, they would do this interview with just anybody
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Speaker 1: and have an air on the local, you know, cable
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Speaker 1: access station in Santa Barbara. You know, they made a
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Speaker 1: very deliberate choice to do this, frankly, in the biggest
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Speaker 1: possible way with you know, the most prominent interviewer of
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Speaker 1: the moment, so that that you know, quote unquote there's
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Speaker 1: no payment, but there are there are rewards for doing it.
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Speaker 1: Let's kind of like break down some of the key
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Speaker 1: things that stood out to us watching the interview. I mean,
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Speaker 1: for starters. For me, one, I was like blown away
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Speaker 1: by how absolutely like beautiful and stunning and well spoken
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Speaker 1: that Megan Marco was. But then I started, you know,
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Speaker 1: as the interview started going on, there were certain things
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Speaker 1: that she said like she never once googled Harry or
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Speaker 1: that she and I was wondering to myself, like what
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Speaker 1: is wrong with me? Like i' I don't not even
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Speaker 1: married to a royal and don't you worry I did
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Speaker 1: a deep dive into Edwin ARIAV before we got together.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I think I think it's a very funny thing.
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Speaker 1: But you know, one thing that to me has made
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Speaker 1: Megan's unique forever is back to that categorization. I already
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Speaker 1: just talked about that. Uh, you know, a moderately successful
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Speaker 1: working television actress when she got together with Harry they
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Speaker 1: looked because because somebody in her position normally would appear
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Speaker 1: on talk shows and game shows and other things to
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Speaker 1: fuel her own book. Listening seven years on a series,
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Speaker 1: they found one episode where she cooked with Rachel Ray.
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Speaker 1: And that's it. That's almost unheard of. That's that shows
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Speaker 1: to me, somebody who didn't have a personal publicist, who
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Speaker 1: wasn't really interested in pushing herself as a name or
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Speaker 1: as a brand or whatever. And in a weird way,
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Speaker 1: that made me like her more so. She didn't necessarily
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Speaker 1: do press once they started dating, but when opportunities presented itself,
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Speaker 1: when she was on suits or a working actress, she
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Speaker 1: would do press. So I wonder if what happens is
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Speaker 1: once you start dating a royal or a prince or
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Speaker 1: whoever it is, are you then immediately told cut the press.
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Speaker 1: And I think you know she when she said she
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Speaker 1: had always advocated to use her voice, and she stepped
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Speaker 1: into a situation where she had to be silenced, and
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Speaker 1: that really kind of hit home and and and made
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Speaker 1: you realize how lonely and how hard being in that
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Speaker 1: setting is. I think oftentimes you see all the glamorous
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Speaker 1: aspects of, you know, being in that institution. But you
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Speaker 1: don't see the other parts. I mean, even at the
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Speaker 1: end of the interview when they asked Harry what he's
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Speaker 1: most grateful for and he said that I can go
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Speaker 1: on a walk with my son. I was never able
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Speaker 1: to do that as a child. Well, yeah, that and
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Speaker 1: then this reference that Megan said several times about quote
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Speaker 1: unquote the firm. And you know that when when when
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Speaker 1: I hear a phrase like the firm, I think of
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Speaker 1: some big steely in personal corporation. And so I think
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Speaker 1: she's in essence equating that to the monarchy as this
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Speaker 1: big steely impersonal. Uh and and and and personal might
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Speaker 1: be the key phrase, because I know we talked a
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Speaker 1: little earlier about you know this this startling admission that
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Speaker 1: she was feeling so blue and so upset and you know,
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Speaker 1: you have these thoughts, g would everybody will be better
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Speaker 1: off without me? Um? And then and then this was
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Speaker 1: the this was another oprah what part where she said,
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Speaker 1: you know, I, you know, I tried to speak to
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Speaker 1: this and people of the palace, you know, and and
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Speaker 1: that her exact phrase was you can't just hop into
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Speaker 1: an uber and go to a therapist, but that the
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Speaker 1: palace was essentially, you know, I'm paraphrasing, Hey, we don't
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Speaker 1: want to hear this. And and you know you can't
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Speaker 1: possibly uh seek help or seek treatment because you know
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Speaker 1: it looks bad for the firm. And I mean the
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Speaker 1: part that's so hard to recognize right there is how
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Speaker 1: if somebody has suicidal thoughts, you have to believe them,
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Speaker 1: because I that's what I can't wrap my head around
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Speaker 1: is you know, you don't know how somebody else is
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Speaker 1: feeling unless you step into their shoes. And if she
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Speaker 1: has shared with anybody within you know, the firm or
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Speaker 1: the institution or whatever word you know it is, or
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Speaker 1: I think at one point she even said HR. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know that the palace had HR. But the fact
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Speaker 1: that she shared that information, how can you not try
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Speaker 1: to help at that point? How can you not get
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Speaker 1: them help? Like how it's it's heartbreaking to me. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it really is absolutely extraordinary. And you know again and
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Speaker 1: this you sort of reference this before. I think on
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Speaker 1: the outside, you know, we think, oh my god, she
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Speaker 1: has it all. She comes into it with these physical gifts,
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Speaker 1: with these obvious talents. Uh, she meets this man who's
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Speaker 1: you know, deeply in love with her, She has the
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Speaker 1: most amazing wedding ever. Um. And then you know this
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Speaker 1: from from that to all of this and to this
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Speaker 1: this need and again I'm paraphrasing her words, but to
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Speaker 1: escape from all of it and um. And then one
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Speaker 1: one comment that I heard this morning, which that was
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Speaker 1: very interesting. It's really interesting. You know, we're we're both Yanks,
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Speaker 1: we're both Americans. But to hear um, some of the
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Speaker 1: Brits react. Uh. And Richard Quest, who's a CNN commentator
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Speaker 1: who's very very British. Um, you know, he was just like,
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Speaker 1: this is Diana all over again. And you know, people
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Speaker 1: didn't believe that, you know, Diana engaged in self harm,
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Speaker 1: but she obviously engaged in self harm. And the phrase
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Speaker 1: that he used, you know, she threw herself down the stairs,
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Speaker 1: all the all the eating things. One other thing that
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Speaker 1: I think is really worth mentioning. Um, Teddy, are you
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Speaker 1: a big watcher of the Crown or have you you've
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Speaker 1: seen any of it? I've seen some of it, and
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Speaker 1: I also watched the documentary on Diana. So if you
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Speaker 1: watch The Crown this season, which is all about Charles
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Speaker 1: and Diana, and this is something that struck me. It's
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Speaker 1: it's a particularly good season of the Crown. It's won
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Speaker 1: all these awards. The actors playing Charles and Diana are
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Speaker 1: are exemplary. But it shows Charles as this extremely cold guy,
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Speaker 1: and then it shows Diana as this unbelievably young and
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Speaker 1: very very naive girl teenager. And and there's one particular
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Speaker 1: episode I would encourage people to watch. It's in the
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Speaker 1: fourth season of the cycle that's on Netflix now, where
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Speaker 1: Charles and Diana take this very public trip to Australia,
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Speaker 1: and you know, Charles is not very well thought of,
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Speaker 1: and then Diana is beautiful and personable, and the entire
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Speaker 1: country flips for Diana, and number one, charles reaction is
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Speaker 1: one of the sort of annoyance and jealousy. And then, Um,
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Speaker 1: and Teddy, you might have experience this to to a
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Speaker 1: degree with with notoriety or notoriety that your father certainly enjoyed. Um,
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Speaker 1: you see these crowds just cheering Diana, and slowly but surely,
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Speaker 1: you know, she laps it up as as I think
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Speaker 1: anybody would. I mean, people are just you know, they're
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Speaker 1: just they can't get over it, and they're just freak
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Speaker 1: it out, and she's she's handling it really really well,
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Speaker 1: and so uh, you know again for for somebody like
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Speaker 1: Megan Markel, who again had a degree of notoriety but
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Speaker 1: nothing like this, and then you start achieving notoriety like that,
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Speaker 1: and certainly she traveled with Harry. Um, it's just all
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Speaker 1: really heavy stuff. Well, I think you know, they started
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Speaker 1: to feel something prior to getting married, because they got
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Speaker 1: married three days before, you know, so they could enjoy
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Speaker 1: the moment for them. But then also, you know, I
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Speaker 1: think Harry spoke about it a little bit last night
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Speaker 1: where he said when everybody first met Megan, she had
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Speaker 1: a similar you know, the fans had a similar reaction
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Speaker 1: that they did that they had to my mother, and
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Speaker 1: we knew that with the way that it works out
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Speaker 1: with the press and with the other people in the
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Speaker 1: royal family, that means that they have to start turning
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Speaker 1: on each other. I'm paraphrasing, but essentially that really got
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Speaker 1: at me, like if one person is thriving, somebody else
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Speaker 1: has to be suffering, right and so okay, in the
16:36
Speaker 1: ideal circumstance, and you know that cliche phrase, a rising
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Speaker 1: tide raises old boats that you know, if it's good
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Speaker 1: for you, it's good for me. But as the as
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Speaker 1: the Crown really shows off, and particularly that episode, so
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Speaker 1: in that episode world they're getting all this adulation in Australia. Uh,
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Speaker 1: the Queen Queen Elizabeth is watching the home movies of
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Speaker 1: a trip she took to US Aurelia many many years
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Speaker 1: earlier and is basically comparing the crowd size, like you know,
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Speaker 1: did you and people, you know, staffers are kind of
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Speaker 1: reassuring her, oh mom, you had more people, or oh mom,
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Speaker 1: you know, she may have more people, but they love
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Speaker 1: you more, and that kind of stuff. It's just so
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Speaker 1: one one phrase that is struck with me. And you know,
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Speaker 1: you can't quantify this, but certainly X number of people
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Speaker 1: have watched The Crown a lot of people. So I
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Speaker 1: think people who watched and are immersed in the crowd
17:28
Speaker 1: who came to the Oprah interview are seeing it through
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Speaker 1: what I described as the lens of the crowd. And
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Speaker 1: if you're seeing it through the lens of the Crown,
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Speaker 1: then you kind of think ge the monarchy is is
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Speaker 1: fairly dysfunctional and they're they're not rooting for one another.
17:46
Speaker 1: It is sort of this you know, the Game of
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Speaker 1: Knives or the Knives out as it were, did you
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Speaker 1: think in regards to the Megan and Kate conversation, see that,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really funny because for some reason,
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Speaker 1: when that uh purportedly went down of of the various,
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Speaker 1: you know, very negative tabloid reports about Megan, I I
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Speaker 1: guess I missed that one. So I wasn't really aware
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Speaker 1: that anybody had made anybody cry. And then apparently it was,
18:23
Speaker 1: you know, uh, a discussion about I guess what the
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Speaker 1: bride you know, not the bridesmaids, but the kids in
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Speaker 1: the wedding party, what they were gonna wear or who
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Speaker 1: was going to participate. So that just seemed like, um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, lesser stuff to me. But the but
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Speaker 1: the one thing is that I would think, and again
18:42
Speaker 1: you and I aren't Brits, but is there a natural
18:46
Speaker 1: inclination for a traditional brit to like Kate more having
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with race, but because Kate is a
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Speaker 1: brit through and through and Megan is an American you
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Speaker 1: know well especially, I mean, there has to be a
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Speaker 1: competitive aspect if from the beginning somebody feels very well
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Speaker 1: received and then you know things maybe you know, harmful
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Speaker 1: one direction or the other. But I just think that's
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Speaker 1: that's the crazy The crazy thing about press is that
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Speaker 1: they can skew it whatever way they want to, and
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Speaker 1: then those stories feed off of each other absolutely. And
19:28
Speaker 1: then one thing that I think cannot be overstated. I
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Speaker 1: think it is unfair for you know, you and I
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Speaker 1: as as Americans, you know, sitting in southern California. Oh
19:40
Speaker 1: my god, they're unbelievably racist in the United Kingdom. But
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Speaker 1: I think it is fair to say, and I would say,
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Speaker 1: and others have said it, I think the tabloid press
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Speaker 1: is unbelievably racist. So I do think that that she
19:52
Speaker 1: got a lot, uh Megan, I wish I could be
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Speaker 1: more elegant. She got a lot of crap that she
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Speaker 1: would not have gotten if you were not by racial
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Speaker 1: I agree, and I think Harry Harry spoke to it
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Speaker 1: quite well when he said, you know, we we realized
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Speaker 1: some things were going to come up for us, but
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Speaker 1: that's where we were not. We did not know that
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Speaker 1: was going to happen. No matter how much education and
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Speaker 1: learning he had personally done, he did not know that
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Speaker 1: was coming. But then my question is they kept talking
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Speaker 1: about the institution, and Oprah even said, you know, is
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Speaker 1: the institution one person or is it people, and it
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Speaker 1: was they said something along the lines of one person.
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Speaker 1: Actually it's several people, but we went to the main one.
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Speaker 1: But who is that person? Is that Prince Charles? See,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know. And then and then
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Speaker 1: then one thing that and you know this is this
20:51
Speaker 1: is something where I think you and I approached this
20:53
Speaker 1: as kind of quote unquote everyday people. We're not royal experts,
20:58
Speaker 1: and there certainly are royal experts in Anglo and who
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Speaker 1: were like him, completely pulling this out of thin air.
21:04
Speaker 1: Every royal has you know, three footman servants and two
21:08
Speaker 1: social secretaries and you know whatever they have. So though
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Speaker 1: that minutia, I don't know, so uh and I don't
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Speaker 1: know how big the firm is. Something that was released
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Speaker 1: today that he did not have this con the conversation
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Speaker 1: with his grandparents regarding skin color Harry that came out
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Speaker 1: to post the Oprah interview. But there's nothing about you
21:33
Speaker 1: know who that conversation was with. But I do know
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Speaker 1: that he wanted to clear that out, that that he
21:39
Speaker 1: did not have that conversation with the queen or his grandfather, right,
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Speaker 1: and and that in a way this is I don't know,
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Speaker 1: sounds a little odd, but but I think Harry, knowing
21:54
Speaker 1: if he were to identify a particular person that that
21:57
Speaker 1: would in effect ruin that person sort of, you know,
22:02
Speaker 1: did that person a favor by by not identifying whoever
22:06
Speaker 1: it was, and also by at least clearing the air
22:09
Speaker 1: of nothing else uh for his grandparents and and and
22:13
Speaker 1: certainly the Queen uh is I don't know, has had
22:18
Speaker 1: the longest tenure and was probably the most well regarded
22:21
Speaker 1: of all the royals, right, And I mean, I think
22:25
Speaker 1: they also talked about how I didn't necessarily realize going in,
22:29
Speaker 1: but they had exhausted all the options to try to
22:32
Speaker 1: make it work, to try to stay. And I don't
22:36
Speaker 1: know that by just my limited knowledge of obviously not
22:40
Speaker 1: being an expert in this, that that was the case
22:43
Speaker 1: by what I had read, and that they had written
22:46
Speaker 1: formal letters, that his dad had stopped returning his phone calls,
22:49
Speaker 1: that he had put it in writing exactly what they
22:51
Speaker 1: were going to do, and you know it, it just
22:56
Speaker 1: became something that just kept spy Areland more and more
23:01
Speaker 1: and more and to the point where they really didn't
23:04
Speaker 1: have a chat a choice to do anything but ly.
23:08
Speaker 1: And but then you know, Obrah asked the question, would
23:12
Speaker 1: you have done it without Megan? Would you have laughed?
23:17
Speaker 1: And he said, no, oh, for sure. I mean he
23:21
Speaker 1: would not have had the necessity, uh to have left.
23:25
Speaker 1: And and then the other thing, which I did not
23:27
Speaker 1: think got touched upon that much. But and you know
23:30
Speaker 1: this is a dramatic word, but look at the betrayal
23:33
Speaker 1: from her own father, and look at the betrayal from
23:36
Speaker 1: like her evil step sister, who have just been you know,
23:39
Speaker 1: online one with the tabloids, you know, from the very
23:43
Speaker 1: very beginning. And so you know, you you whatever you get,
23:49
Speaker 1: you get involved with Harry. You don't know Harry's family,
23:52
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big prominent family. You know, you
23:54
Speaker 1: don't know much else. And then you know your own family,
23:58
Speaker 1: your own true flesh, and one just stabs you in
24:01
Speaker 1: the back repeatedly, aided by these you know, mean spirited
24:05
Speaker 1: British tabloids. That's that's a terrible circumstance. So you you know,
24:09
Speaker 1: you you go in pretty wounded just to start. And
24:15
Speaker 1: she said, you know, her main thing was she was
24:17
Speaker 1: repeatedly told how she was going to be protected. So
24:20
Speaker 1: by not doing pressor by not responding or not doing things,
24:23
Speaker 1: she was going to be protected, and that turned into
24:26
Speaker 1: being her biggest regret was trusting that she was going
24:30
Speaker 1: to be protected in this when clearly that was not
24:34
Speaker 1: the case, and actually most likely because because one thing
24:38
Speaker 1: that does happen is on occasion when a tabloid story
24:43
Speaker 1: is so unbelievably outrageous, the palace puts out a statement,
24:48
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't true or whatever. And again I'm
24:53
Speaker 1: not an expert, but I don't recall any time they
24:56
Speaker 1: really stuck up for Megan. And then Megan has filed
25:00
Speaker 1: these successful lawsuits. Megan's gone to court on our own
25:04
Speaker 1: against the tabloids and has one. But it doesn't seem
25:09
Speaker 1: you know, tabloids have been around for a long time.
25:12
Speaker 1: The Royals have been around for a long time. You know,
25:15
Speaker 1: somebody in Buckey and Palace can pick up a phone
25:17
Speaker 1: and talk to somebody and say, hey, stop or this
25:21
Speaker 1: has got to be toned down or something. And it
25:24
Speaker 1: certainly appears that that did not happen. Yeah. No, I mean,
25:27
Speaker 1: especially when they were in you know, playing with the chickens,
25:33
Speaker 1: and they were talking and Megan says her reference to
25:36
Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid, like she falls in love with the
25:39
Speaker 1: Prince because she has no has no voice, and you know,
25:45
Speaker 1: it just it really it's really sad. But then also
25:49
Speaker 1: at the end you you see happiness to them because
25:53
Speaker 1: they're free, right, And and isn't that interesting how some
26:00
Speaker 1: times you know, what, what does every real estate agent say? Location? Location,
26:04
Speaker 1: location that? And you know, I'm sure people have done
26:07
Speaker 1: this as a result of bad marriages or other decisions
26:10
Speaker 1: or career things. You know, sometimes you just get up
26:13
Speaker 1: and move and you wake up in a new place
26:16
Speaker 1: and everything feels new and different. And you know, anybody
26:20
Speaker 1: who's been lucky enough to spend any time there, Monatito
26:23
Speaker 1: is about as close to heaven as you can get.
26:26
Speaker 1: It looks pretty beautiful last night. I mean they definitely
26:33
Speaker 1: when they said when Harry said that he had been
26:36
Speaker 1: financially cut off and he had what his mother had
26:39
Speaker 1: left him, but that you know, that was it. And
26:43
Speaker 1: you know they had Tyler Perry even offer to give
26:46
Speaker 1: them security because all security had been cut off, Like
26:50
Speaker 1: it's just how can you cut off security? And Harry
26:55
Speaker 1: even said it best, he said, I was born into
26:58
Speaker 1: this risk. This wasn't a true and that and and
27:04
Speaker 1: that's that is startling, And you know, I can't possibly
27:08
Speaker 1: do the math. But to have you know, reasonable security,
27:14
Speaker 1: I assume is it is a multimillion dollar endeavor because
27:18
Speaker 1: you know, you need it all the time. And so
27:21
Speaker 1: sure they have signed these unbelievably lucrative deals and that's
27:24
Speaker 1: a ton of money, but there are there is a
27:27
Speaker 1: ton of expense. So um yeah, that's that. That that
27:31
Speaker 1: just that's the one that threw me the most. I
27:33
Speaker 1: was like, what be expected not to work or sign
27:38
Speaker 1: these deals if they weren't able to have the security
27:43
Speaker 1: when there's death threats and they weren't able to get
27:46
Speaker 1: the money, So like, don't you then have to work it? No, precisely,
27:54
Speaker 1: not only do you have to work, but this is
27:56
Speaker 1: something everybody can relate to, you know, quote unquote we
27:59
Speaker 1: all have a month be nut. Well again I don't,
28:02
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the monthly nut of twenty four
28:04
Speaker 1: hour security for people at that level of fame. He's
28:09
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars just for that, So you know,
28:12
Speaker 1: you've got to be a big owner, I think. And
28:15
Speaker 1: especially at they're about to have and they announced that
28:18
Speaker 1: they were having a baby girl in the summer, They're
28:20
Speaker 1: adding more kids to their family, like the security is
28:23
Speaker 1: going to grow, and you want to be able to
28:26
Speaker 1: take care of your family financially and protectively. And I
28:30
Speaker 1: think you can. You can't even imagine what Harry must
28:34
Speaker 1: have gone through as a child. You know, when he
28:37
Speaker 1: said he you know, wasn't speaking with his brother anymore.
28:39
Speaker 1: You know, they needed space, but they had, they had
28:43
Speaker 1: gone through tragedy together. And when he was concerned about
28:47
Speaker 1: history repeating himself, that is frightening. And as a mother
28:54
Speaker 1: and knowing you know, my husband, and knowing that are
28:57
Speaker 1: putting our family and that kind nobody would want to
29:02
Speaker 1: do that. I remember very vividly the night that Princess
29:08
Speaker 1: Diana was killed in that car crash um in Paris.
29:11
Speaker 1: And you may may not remember this, but Tom Cruise,
29:15
Speaker 1: whose head was literally gonna leave his body, called CNN screaming,
29:23
Speaker 1: and he was like see you know, and I think
29:28
Speaker 1: he has an equivalent level of fame, like you know,
29:32
Speaker 1: this was absolutely bound to happen, and and and you
29:35
Speaker 1: know she is not only under threat and now deceased.
29:38
Speaker 1: This is what all of us and he didn't use
29:40
Speaker 1: this race at a certain level, but this is what
29:43
Speaker 1: all of us face. And this is the fear that
29:44
Speaker 1: all of us have, and it was the most compelling,
29:49
Speaker 1: gut wrenching phone call because again, this is a very
29:53
Speaker 1: very rarefied space, but it is the space occupied by
29:59
Speaker 1: people Princess Diana and Harry and because of association with Harry,
30:05
Speaker 1: by Megan and their children. Yeah, and I mean, I
30:08
Speaker 1: think it's something we see more, not even discussing the
30:13
Speaker 1: royal family, but with everybody in the world of influence,
30:17
Speaker 1: theer's social media, fame, anything. The number one response you
30:21
Speaker 1: get when something goes wrong or when somebody doesn't like
30:24
Speaker 1: something about you, is you signed up for this, you
30:28
Speaker 1: should put on a fake smile and deal with it.
30:30
Speaker 1: Or showing up press and you're in the middle of
30:32
Speaker 1: a divorce, or showing up to you know, a red
30:36
Speaker 1: carpet and you've just recently had something terrible happened to you.
30:41
Speaker 1: They then the response, instead of empathy or instead of understanding,
30:45
Speaker 1: is well, this is what you wanted right of that,
30:51
Speaker 1: My last question for you is what do you think
30:53
Speaker 1: happens now? Well, there's there's one line I really like,
30:57
Speaker 1: and I think it's really really good that that this
31:01
Speaker 1: is Oprah sort of enabling all of us to accept
31:06
Speaker 1: them now as and I'll put this word in quotes
31:10
Speaker 1: as Americans that that that that that Oprah has sort
31:14
Speaker 1: of laid out this carpet, which you know, was filled
31:18
Speaker 1: with difficult conversation and difficult questions, but they've passed and
31:23
Speaker 1: they now have sort of the blessing of Opra and
31:24
Speaker 1: Opra indicating the interview that she's working with Harry on
31:27
Speaker 1: various projects for Apple TV. So uh, you know, it's
31:30
Speaker 1: all you know, I I mean, I think there's a
31:34
Speaker 1: lot of sad stuff, but I guess and this is just,
31:37
Speaker 1: you know, in a media evaluation, I think it is
31:39
Speaker 1: a win for the two of them. Well, thank you
31:43
Speaker 1: so much. Sam. I know you have to jump, but
31:45
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and chatting with me as always,
31:48
Speaker 1: and I had to talk to you soon. Great Teddy,
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