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Shawn Porter | Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro · Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro

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  Speaker 1: Pizza delivery. What's up, brother? Man, what?
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  Speaker 2: How you feel?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, man. Yeah, it's for you. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: do it. I've been seeing you do this, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think it was going to actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but of course, you know.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: We're going to make our way to you eventually.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, I'm hungry, so let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: You hungry? Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: How's everything?
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  Speaker 1: Everything's going well, man. Everything's going well, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Going afro?
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do the best I can to keep it,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Yeah. Yeah. I took the braids out. How
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  Speaker 1: you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 1: You look good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. What is this?
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  Speaker 3: This is a little Sergio zucchini.
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  Speaker 1: Where is mine? Yeah. Oh. Man, this is clean.
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  Speaker 3: Would you rock one?
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's orange. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: We got one for you.
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  Speaker 1: You and I both, we like to be seen, right?
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  Speaker 2: I know that.
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  Speaker 1: And we like to be looking good when we're seen.
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  Speaker 2: You made me a suit once.
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  Speaker 1: Man, what are you doing delivering me pizza?
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  Speaker 3: It's not just about the pizza. I'm delivering you happiness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm delivering you, you know, a slice of life.
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  Speaker 1: It's what you do.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: It's what you do.
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  Speaker 2: You working out?
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  Speaker 1: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: How are you staying in shape?
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  Speaker 1: Trying to get to the gym when I can. It's tough.
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  Speaker 3: You still box a little?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's tough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at the gym regularly. This week, a couple days ago,
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  Speaker 1: and it dawned on me, I never learned how to
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  Speaker 1: have fun boxing. I started doing it when I was four.
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  Speaker 1: I have a dad who everybody said was militant. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And if you imagine a four or five year old,
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  Speaker 1: you just, you know, fun in boxing was never, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm literally like got the music going. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to hit the bag and dance like I've seen other
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  Speaker 1: people do. I'm trying to rap and shit like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this ain't working for me. Took the gloves off,
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  Speaker 1: I left.
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  Speaker 3: So you said boxing. You really haven't had fun in
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  Speaker 3: your life at it?
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  Speaker 1: I've had more fun in retirement, being able to do
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  Speaker 1: the broadcasting, being able to travel and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think this is the thing when you have
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  Speaker 1: a father and a son in a sport like boxing, right?
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  Speaker 1: So again, what we're talking football, you get hit hard,
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  Speaker 1: you can go to the sidelines. Boxing, you get hit hard,
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  Speaker 1: but you go back to the corner and your dad's
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  Speaker 1: looking at you and he's trying to keep you safe.
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  Speaker 1: when he's trying to get you to win, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So majority of my life was teaching me the skill
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  Speaker 1: and teaching me to be hard enough to not get hurt. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And that's Kenny, right? Yeah, yeah. So you just spend
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  Speaker 1: more time, you know, in the severity of the sport
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  Speaker 1: opposed to the fun, loose ends of it, you know? So...
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  Speaker 1: Stuff like running on the track. That was the fun,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Trying to swim was the fun, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So being in the gym, hitting the bag, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's only so much imagination I have that's going to
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  Speaker 1: take me away from, who do I visualize now? You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: You played football and wrestle?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I boxed. Or I boxed and I played football.
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  Speaker 1: You boxed and you played football. Yeah, those were my
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  Speaker 1: two sports. Football my whole life until high school, senior year,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My thing was NFL, NFL.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you thought?
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  Speaker 1: You get to college and, you know, you're a sophomore
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  Speaker 1: starting on varsity and all that, and it just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: go the way you want it to go. I think
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  Speaker 1: my junior year, I was like, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: play college. I want to be a collegiate athlete, and
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  Speaker 1: that's it. I didn't want to do NFL anymore, but
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  Speaker 1: then my senior year was so bad, I literally went
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  Speaker 1: to my dad, and I said, I want to turn pro.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, what about football? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: I'm 19 at the time, by the way. You meant boxing? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta depend on 10 other guys to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, do what I do. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: they're giving it everything that I got. I looked at
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  Speaker 1: my dad and said, I know what you're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: and you know what I'm gonna do. Let's go for it,
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  Speaker 1: you know? That's what you told him. There it was, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Were you a collegiate fighter?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, we're considered at that collegiate level when
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  Speaker 1: you're a national and international fighter, but... Technically, no. I
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  Speaker 1: never went to college to box.
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  Speaker 3: When you say, I want to turn pro, you don't
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  Speaker 3: just turn pro, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. You do? Yeah, you do.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. Jake Paul did it. Jake Paul did it.
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  Speaker 1: You just got to have the right phone numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Jake Paul?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake Paul did it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But that's Jake Paul.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's anybody. Really? Yeah, we can... If he wants.
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  Speaker 1: I think the qualifications are a little different now.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: When I turned pro, I was turning pro with the
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  Speaker 1: Olympic background. I was turning pro with, like, 15, 20
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  Speaker 1: national experiences and stuff like that. So when I turned pro,
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  Speaker 1: my commission in Cleveland, they were excited for me to
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  Speaker 1: turn pro. Right. But they were like, your first fight,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to fight someone who's
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  Speaker 1: 2 and 10. Right. Because you got so much experience.
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  Speaker 1: You got to fight a guy 5 and 0, 7
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  Speaker 1: and 1. So it's fair. Because you had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of experience.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of experience.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why when Jake turned pro, he's fighting guys
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  Speaker 1: who are semi-retired. He's fighting guys who don't actually come
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  Speaker 1: from boxing. It kind of evens the playing field a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Why do you use him as a parameter?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just to let you know that anybody can
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  Speaker 1: turn pro. Anybody can do it. Especially when you have
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  Speaker 1: the kind of following that he has. But listen, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, everybody turns pro. It's like
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  Speaker 1: I said before. Everybody wants to do boxing, but not
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  Speaker 1: everybody can live in boxing, you know? So there's a difference,
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  Speaker 1: you know? And you really, whether it's the business or
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  Speaker 1: it's actually, you know, getting in the ring and doing it,
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  Speaker 1: you have to be a certain type of individual in
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  Speaker 1: order to weather the storms coming.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: And throw the storms right back.
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  Speaker 2: And you had that makeup.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Did you know that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I did. I did and I didn't, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, like, physically you felt like you had
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  Speaker 3: it and mentally?
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  Speaker 1: I think both.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think when you have as many experiences winning as
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  Speaker 1: I did, I was telling this to somebody else the
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  Speaker 1: other day. You take a look at somebody like Gervonta Davis,
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  Speaker 1: and you take a look at somebody like Adrian Browner,
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  Speaker 1: and then you take a look at somebody like Shakur Stevenson.
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  Speaker 1: Shakur Stevenson, right? Right. So the difference with those guys,
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  Speaker 1: even Terrence Crawford. So we'll take those two and those two, right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: The difference with Tank and AB, they were winners, right?
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't win every national tournament. So their aspirations
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  Speaker 1: of greatness is different. The money, And the monetary stuff
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  Speaker 1: that comes a little bit quicker, they understand that more
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  Speaker 1: than they understand the sacrifices and doing what it takes
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  Speaker 1: to become great. There's no knock on them, right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: But we've heard that they don't care about their legacy
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  Speaker 1: the same way that someone like Shakur Stevenson does. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Silver medalists, numerous national championships, known for being great, expecting
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  Speaker 1: to be great. So now as a pro, that's the
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  Speaker 1: only thing he is settling for. He's settling for being great.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's how I was. I was someone that
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  Speaker 1: even though I didn't win every national tournament.
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  Speaker 3: You were chasing greatness.
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  Speaker 1: I was first or second. Right. And not only that,
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  Speaker 1: I was the outstanding boxer at the national tournaments. Right.
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  Speaker 1: With guys from every other state. So my expectation was
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  Speaker 1: always great, right? So when we turned pro, it was
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  Speaker 1: the same thing, you know? When I turned pro, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really understand what it meant to become a world champion,
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  Speaker 1: how to get there, and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So when I first met you, I forget what year
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  Speaker 3: it was. It was in the wild card.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was 2010.
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  Speaker 3: And you were a young kid, a young fighter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what you've done or didn't do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But your dad was carrying around pictures of you.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And he was telling us... You were going to be somebody.
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  Speaker 1: And I always just was like.
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  Speaker 3: And you were a nice kid.
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  Speaker 1: I was just grateful. Yeah. Because I wasn't the kind
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  Speaker 1: of guy that was just going to stand up and
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  Speaker 1: yell and tell you, like, hey, I'm going to be great.
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  Speaker 1: I just was going to go out there and do it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I was grateful that he was always the one
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  Speaker 1: that had something in his back pocket, you know, gave
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  Speaker 1: you guys some autographed pictures to sign and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, where did he come up with this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: But he got the job done, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And his thing was, listen to me and I'll get
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  Speaker 1: you there. How simple is that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he had that, what do you call.
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  Speaker 1: Him, militant? Yeah, well, I heard it so much growing up.
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  Speaker 3: What does that mean exactly? I've heard that, like, my
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  Speaker 3: brother's militant.
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  Speaker 1: People would look at me and say, yo, was your
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  Speaker 1: dad in the Marines? Was he? Was he in the
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  Speaker 1: Army or anything like that? I was like, no. When
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid, I didn't understand why people would
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  Speaker 1: ask me that. I didn't understand what that meant. And
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  Speaker 1: then people would always say, your dad's a little militant.
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  Speaker 1: So now I got to understand what's going on here.
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  Speaker 1: And so I started putting two and two together. I
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  Speaker 1: started understanding what it meant to be militant, what it
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  Speaker 1: meant to be very structured, very... Very regimented, right? Very specific,
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  Speaker 1: you know? My dad taught me how to walk, right?
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  Speaker 1: Not just, you know, hold your hands and once you
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  Speaker 1: start walking. My dad would say, you ball this fist
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  Speaker 1: up and you keep this one half balled up and
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  Speaker 1: you walk like this. He taught me and my brothers
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  Speaker 1: how to walk, you know what I mean? He was
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  Speaker 1: militant like that.
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  Speaker 2: Like that.
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  Speaker 1: But you talk about things like discipline. Right. You talk
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  Speaker 1: about things like, you know, work ethic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He was great at that, right?
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  Speaker 1: All of that.
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  Speaker 3: How many kids were there?
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  Speaker 1: There were three boys. Three boys.
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  Speaker 3: Like my family.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, three boys. And a girl. I know you guys
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  Speaker 1: got a sister, right?
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  Speaker 2: I got a cousin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Were you the middle?
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  Speaker 1: I'm the baby of the three boys.
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  Speaker 2: Baby?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm the spoiled one. I'm the one that
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  Speaker 1: saw everything that was wrong and did it all right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So no disrespect to my brothers.
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  Speaker 2: But I remember you got in there and sparred with
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  Speaker 2: Pacquiao like he was in his heyday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you weren't afraid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You were like, oh, he's a tough kid. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't know if you would amount to anything.
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  Speaker 1: Want to hear a crazy story? Yeah. It's a funny story.
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  Speaker 1: So again, like growing up boxing, I just didn't, like
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  Speaker 1: watching it and didn't like doing it. I guess with football,
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  Speaker 1: maybe because it was a season. I look forward to
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  Speaker 1: the next season. But with boxing, it's year round. You
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  Speaker 1: do it nonstop.
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  Speaker 3: You weren't really a boxing fan?
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't a boxing fan. I didn't like to watch boxing.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want to see it. If I'm not the one
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  Speaker 1: doing it, don't tell me about it, you know? Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: So we go out to spar to basically audition to
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  Speaker 1: go to camp with Manny. And Freddie likes the way
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  Speaker 1: that I box. And Freddie's like, I'm going to take
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  Speaker 1: you to the Philippines. Do you have a passport? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got a passport. We left L.A. and went back
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  Speaker 1: home for like a week or something like that. Back
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  Speaker 1: home to Cleveland. On the way home, my dad said,
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  Speaker 1: you need to go on YouTube and watch Manny Pacquiao.
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  Speaker 1: You need to see what you're getting in the ring with.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know who Manny Pacquiao was at that point.
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  Speaker 1: I had heard, you know, but I didn't know who
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  Speaker 1: he was. Right. And I looked at him and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this guy is fast. He doesn't stop. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be good. You know? First time I
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  Speaker 1: sparred with him.
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  Speaker 3: Was that in the Philippines?
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  Speaker 1: That was in the Philippines.
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  Speaker 3: So what was that like?
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  Speaker 1: First time I sparred with him. So, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: get over there, we fly separate from Freddie and all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Yeah. you're a stranger and you know,
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  Speaker 1: in enemy territory, you know, and they didn't treat us
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  Speaker 1: like that, but it just felt very foreign. And Manny,
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  Speaker 1: Freddie was the only one I knew. So I went
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  Speaker 1: up to Freddie, said, hi, I'm trying to make myself
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable. And Manny walks in and he says, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Manny's right there. It's nothing to him, but because he
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  Speaker 1: knows Manny, my heart's beating. I'm like, oh shit. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what do I say? What do I do? You know,
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  Speaker 1: Manny's humble, you know, hey, you know, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to spar today, you know, and smiles at
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  Speaker 1: me and walks away. I'm not used to that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: used to guys saying, oh, I got to spar you today. Like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is going to be some work. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and he smiled and walked away from me.
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  Speaker 1: And that kind of shook me up because I'm not
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  Speaker 1: used to that. Yeah. And bell rings for the first round.
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  Speaker 1: I took one step and it was like this epiphany.
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  Speaker 1: You're about to spar Manny Pacquiao. A couple punches are
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  Speaker 1: thrown and then we're off to the races. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's. And they were amazing races. I think you saw.
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  Speaker 3: I saw you do some really good work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, man, he's... And you know, you
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  Speaker 3: don't know what Manny's putting out.
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  Speaker 1: Is it 50%, 75%?
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't know, like, really what you should be
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  Speaker 2: doing with sparring.
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  Speaker 1: So he brought me back. Freddie brought me back when
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  Speaker 1: Manny signs to fight Shane. Right. We go to the Philippines.
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  Speaker 1: The first time I fought, when Manny fought Miguel Cotto.
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  Speaker 1: We go to the Philippines. When we come home, I'm
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  Speaker 1: asked to not spar with Manny anymore. Manny needs a
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  Speaker 1: lot of work. It's the end of camp. We don't
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  Speaker 1: need you anymore. You know, you're hard.
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  Speaker 3: You're hard work.
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  Speaker 1: You're hard work. Yeah. So we go back when I sparred.
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  Speaker 2: Did that give you a lot of confidence? Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I know it's sparring.
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  Speaker 1: It was sparring. It gave me confidence. But then my
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: paycheck was cut. So I'm like, shit, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I want that one, you know?
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  Speaker 3: You want that check.
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  Speaker 1: I want the experience. We're back in L.A. where everybody
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  Speaker 1: can see me. Like, now, let everybody see what I do,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Right. But you fast forward, Shane Mosley camp.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the only one Freddie brought in. He said, man,
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  Speaker 1: he only needs you for this. He doesn't need anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: The six rounds, the five rounds, the seven, the eight,
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  Speaker 1: the nine rounds that you'll do, that's the hard work
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  Speaker 1: that he needs. And he won't need any more. Did
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  Speaker 1: you give it to him? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. But this
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  Speaker 1: time around, I'm a little bit older. I understand this
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  Speaker 1: man now. understand the game much more. I understand that
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  Speaker 1: even though I'm the pup, the pup doesn't have to
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  Speaker 1: jump on the dog all the time. Right. Because Manny
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  Speaker 1: did do that to me. Manny will clock you and
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  Speaker 1: remind you of who he is.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: And he did that to me once or twice. Was
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: he sneaky fast? Sneaky fast.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: He's kind of unorthodox, right?
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Unpredictable at times. But the awesome part about it was
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: my rhythm was a lot like his yeah so being
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: able to catch his flow being able to you know
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: know what he's gonna do wasn't very hard for me
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: because that was like really how i boxed too you
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: know right he was cleaner he was more uh he
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: was more more patient and um More professional, right? It
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: took a while for me to become the professional fighter
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: that I became. Yeah, yeah. I was literally a pup,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: jumping on him every chance I got. But again, the
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: second camp, it was like I understand what work is.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: I found his rhythm, right? And where he wanted to
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: have his little moments. And so it was like, now
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to coast with you and when you come
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: for this moment it was a big bang every time
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: right and people really enjoyed watching this far.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah was there any talk that you guys would
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: have ever fought or no.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: We after that shane mosley camp we're coming home going
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: back to la from the philippines and my dad tells
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: me this is your last camp with manny pacquiao my
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: heart starts beating i'm like Heartbroken, I don't understand. And
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: then he explains it to me. If you do another
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: camp with Manny, you're gonna be labeled a sparring partner.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: You're a champion, you're not a sparring partner. After this camp,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go out back to LA, we'll finish with him,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: and then we're not looking back.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: And you need to move on.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we did. I think we became
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: a champion like a year later.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: You were in a great era. I mean, an era
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: where you got to fight, even though you didn't fight Manny,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: but you fought Keith Thurman, you fought Danny Garcia. You
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: fought Spence, right? You fought Spence?
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: You gave him a hard fight.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Almost beat him.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: And then arguably, you.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Gave, in my estimation, you gave Bud Crawford a better
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: fight than Canelo did.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's an older Canelo, but he
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: got dominated by him. We were talking about that fight.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I was talking to someone.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, you were really around boxing when it was like,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: it was still exciting.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Now it's kind of like.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: It needs a, don't you believe.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Boxing needs like something to bring it back a little more?
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Welterweight's a marquee division in boxing. You know, people identify
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: with the heavyweight division and people, of course, they identify
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: with the middleweights. Right. But the people, I will always say,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: when you watch the welterweights, The reason why you let
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: the welters is because you get the full package. You
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: get the speed and the power. You get the work
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: rate of the little guys, but you get the explosiveness
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that you get from the bigger guys. It's that division.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Middleweight even. You got speed, but you might not have power.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: You got power, but you not have speed. You got power,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: but you don't have the work rate. Welterweight is just
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: that division that is really just beautiful for the sport.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: It's a beautiful weight.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: And when I came around, man, it's just God's timing
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: that I came around when everybody was hot, everybody was there.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And I think since that Fab Four, everybody's always been
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: looking for the next Fab Four. And man, I happened
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to be in an era where there's actually four guys,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: five guys, six maybe, that are right there, could all
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: contend to be a champion at one time. And it
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: was a blessing for me.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: That Keith Thurman fight was a great fight.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: That Keith Thurman fight.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: That was one of my, like, when I became more
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: like a big fan of yours.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It was like terrible, perfect timing, right? Yeah. Perfect because
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: we both were young enough, dumb enough. You see so
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: many chances taken in that fight that fighters are not
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: going to take.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: And we just kept.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Going back and forth. But it was terrible timing because
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a year later, both our names and our recognition would
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: have been an even bigger fight than it was. We
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: probably would have made more money and all that. I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: got no regrets. And I think that everything happened right
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: on time for me, including that fight. But that was
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: a fight right there that if people really knew what
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: was going on, that was one that shook up the world.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: It shook up the boxing world. And I think it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Well, you guys didn't quite get your due, like both
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: of you.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I swear I feel, because Keith was very talented. You
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: were talented in a different way. And I was like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: none of you, both of you never fought Floyd.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: The problem was we were supposed to keep going and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: keep winning and then fight again.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I kept going. I kept winning. And, you know, he
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: didn't really, yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had his problems.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. What do they say? They say, they'll say
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: fights mature or age gracefully, right? So what that means is,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you know, when you have a fight, however that fight goes,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: when those two guys go on to do whatever they did,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: it makes that fight that much greater. Right. And it really, man,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: that was a great.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Your styles, like I said to this guy today, UFC
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: guy said, style things.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Styles make fights, you know, and you guys had a style.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Entertaining for each other at any time.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And everybody else, too, you know? The fight that I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: had with Danny, Danny, like, stood in there and took
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: everything that I was throwing out and gave it all
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: right back. I didn't expect that from that kid, you know?
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Strong kid, right?
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: You're Dennis Ugas, you know, amazing amateur pedigree.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: That was a tough fight.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: And, you know, a tough fight for me, you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the weather conditions weren't really fitting for the moment, you know?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like that was one fight I felt
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: like For whatever reason, like even with Manny, he had
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a bad fight against him.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Like you were off that fight or something. Did you
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: feel that way?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't. No. You didn't feel off? I take it offensive.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: When people say, man, you were off or it was close.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I say that as a fan because I've seen you.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I was nine, that fight was nine, three, you know, eight,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: four tops. And, um, I think two, two judges had
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the split decision and then one had me winning.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I should rewatch it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I should rewatch it because I could be wrong.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And when I was watching it, I just remember thinking, shit,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I think, like, you know, this guy's giving you a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: hard time.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I explained the psychology of it, right? Yeah. So here's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the psychology of that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Tell me the psychology.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: You know Sean's an aggressive fighter. You know Sean's a
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: fighter that's going to go in there and every round
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he's throwing 100 punches a round. Right. And this was
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the fight that you didn't see me do that. So
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: instead of looking at me and trying to look at
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing, you're thinking that it's the other guy
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: forcing me to do what I'm doing. And in fact,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: it was, if you watch that kick, I was faster
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: than him. He couldn't catch me. My feet were, you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: he couldn't keep up. And we knew that going to
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the ring and my dad changed the game plan. The
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: game plan is always the same. The game plan is box, Speed,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: set up the power, get to the body, break your
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: guy down, and at any point you see it, it's showtime.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm showtime, right?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: That night, my dad said, we're just going to box
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: all night. He can't punch and move at the same time.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Which means he can't catch you.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So just go in and out, in and out, quick move. Right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But you were happy with your performance.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: This is one of the fights, to that point.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: To that point. This is one of the fights where I...
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and disappointed in how disciplined I am and how much
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I listen and trust my dad. Because that was a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: fight that I should have mixed.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: So maybe he was wrong.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I should have mixed it up a little bit more,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Your dad isn't always right.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm not saying that. But I am, but
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: But I'm saying it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was wrong. And I love Kenny.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, you know, he could be wrong.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: But when we're in the corner feeling very confident and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: comfortable that we're winning, Right. And we're looking at a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: 9-3 and then we're standing in the middle of the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: ring with a split decision. It's like, well, some of
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the things we turned off because we felt like we
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: didn't need them. If we had turned those on.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I think those are the things that maybe look to
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the viewer.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Like even me. Exactly.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: It looked like, Sean's having this odd fight.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And you grow from moments like that, right? So
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: what I learned in that moment, ahead of a fight
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: with Errol Spence Jr., you got to find moments to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: steal the round.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was a lot of movement, a lot
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of dancing, a lot of speed.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: You did really well against Errol Spence.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And that was an uncompromised Errol Spence.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Because the Errol Spence that came back was not the
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: same guy.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You know, the thing they say about me, and it's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: amazing for everybody when they were either in their prime
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: or peaking.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And that's really uncommon.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Uncommon.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And you gave him hell, even Bud. I mean, I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: was disappointed at that fight. I'm sorry, but they should
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: have let you finish that fight.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I don't get that. Were you mad about that?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I've revisited that moment and I've looked at other moments.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I've had moments where I wasn't operating the way that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: my dad wanted me to.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Is that what it was about?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And I come back to the corner and he gives
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that talk. Yeah. He gives, he says the things that
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: need to be said. Right. And that's the one thing
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: about that fight that does bother me. Yeah. The one
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: time that you could have did what you've done time
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and time again, wake me up, get my attention.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: How good was he in the ring, bud?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Really good, huh?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Really good, huh?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Best guy I've ever been in the ring with.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, right?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that testament... As.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Far as what?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: IQ? All of it. Skill?
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: All of it. Just had it all, right?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I was right there, right? And mean, too, right? Let's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: talk IQ, right? IQ, my IQ, when I fought Errol,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I had a higher IQ when I fought Errol. There
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: were things that were done in the ring that you
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: guys may not have seen.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But him and I, we know what it was. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was a step ahead of him. He caught me in
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a moment with that knockdown, and then he got the fight.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: But anybody can get knocked down.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then Terrence... This back and forth thing that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: we did, it wasn't because... It wasn't because this is
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: how I wanted it to go. When I would do
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: what I needed to do... he wouldn't do what I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: needed him to do.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: So now I got to go back. I got to
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: start over, you know? And this guy's dangerous, so it's not,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: and then commit. It was like, you know, get back
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: out and try again, you know? I've never had someone
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: force me to keep restarting.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Keep restarting. Here's something I'll give you, right? I call
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: this a restart. You don't hear this too much in boxing.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: The restart is when you see these two guys do this,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and then they both go back here. You see this
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and then you go back here. You're going to start
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: seeing it when you watch boxing now because I'm pointing
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it out to you. There's this unspoken agreement that it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: time to stop. It's time to start over. Time to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: get that space and then figure it out again. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: was the guy. I don't want you to restart. The
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: way I fought, you don't get to restart. I restart
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: when I want to and then I force you to.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Terrence was the first guy that I've ever been in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the ring with. I could not force to do anything.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: You couldn't dictate that with him?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Couldn't dictate it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: He's just that good?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: He was that good. He was able to read me.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: He was able to see what I wanted to do.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And he was so good, ready with his. And that's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: why I smile when I talk about that fight because
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: there's a competitiveness that happens in the ring. It's said
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: often that You have the right dance partner, you know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Two guys, when they get in the ring against one another,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it's like they share an intimate moment. You know, you
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: hear these kinds of things. It's true. It's true.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: But he's, you got to say one thing, he's a master.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's a master craftsman. It's like when I see
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: a great actor and I say, that fucking dude.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: On so many levels.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And I think Terrence Crawford is just that guy.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. When you watch, whether it's
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a film or stage or whatever, can you almost predict
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: how the guy is gonna, or the woman is gonna
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: deliver their line?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: When I'm working with them?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Either or. When you're working with them.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Or when I'm watching.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: When you're watching, anything.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Depends on who it is.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Can you kind of see like how the scene is
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: set up? How it's supposed to go? Can you see
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen before it happens?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I can with certain things.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: That's how it is for me. Yeah. That's how it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: is for a lot of people.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But then there are other guys that just work on
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a different level.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And they will pull something out. Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And you go... Wow. Where'd that come from?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: That's why he's fucking great.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You know, like Denzel is one of those guys. There
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: are certain people that are like that where they're unpredictable.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And you got to be on your toes.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Because you don't know what they're going to throw at you.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: But that's what makes them great.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: And that's what makes them how those guys operate on
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: that level.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: You're trying to.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Kind of be at that level.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that's what greatness is.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Greatness is what you do. Yeah. And people don't see
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: it coming. Yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And they can't predict it. That's why I am... Or
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: their take on it. Yeah. Wow, that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: That fucking dude's take was just... I didn't see that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And that's when you're kind of blown away.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: And you can even be great at something, good at something,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: you know, like you're a pro.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: And still as a.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Fan go, wow, this dude is just... I got to
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: tip my cap to him.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Right? I've had a lot of fights where... The question asked,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: what would you do different if you could do it again?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what could I have done different? What
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: could you have done? In just about every fight. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: got something for the Terrence. I'm not going to go
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: into that. Right. I don't want to get emotional. But
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: every fight that I've had, I've reached a level of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: greatness where it was like, you rewrite the script and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you show me what you would have done different. Right.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: It just didn't go the way I would have wanted
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it to go. But what would I have done different
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in any fight, in any moment? You say, oh, keep
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: your hand up. Come on now. Keeping your hand up
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: is like walking across the street. Sometimes it just happens.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: It just happens. All right, so hypothetically, if Terrence Crawford
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: had fought Floyd Mayweather in his prime, how would you
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: see that fight?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: What's your gut feeling on that? I mean, I know
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: sometimes it's hard to.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I came up with an answer to that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: question today. So it's crazy that you asked me that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about that today.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Because I have a feeling on it, too.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the Porto Bay podcast. They asked that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: question a couple of weeks ago. We answered it. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: said it's 50-50. I don't know. But I'm going to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: answer it this week on the show.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: But you didn't answer it yet?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I said it was 50-50, but I have an answer today.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You have one today?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I think Terrence Crawford beats Floyd Mayweather. By decision? I'll
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: tell you why. Yeah. He has Floyd's kryptonite. on top
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of having someone's kryptonite, also being the same cerebral kind
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of athlete that that man is, that's unmatched. So I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: match you in every way before we get in the ring,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: but then when we get in the ring, because the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: work ethic's the same, The knowing who's across from you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: is the same. Everything's the same. But when I get
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in the ring, I actually have some components that make
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: this fight a little difficult for you. My reach, my timing,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: my speed. my movement, my footwork, the ability to keep
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: up with your footwork. Terrence, he's an X Factor kind
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of athlete, a lot like myself, can do it all.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I could do it all and he just
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: did it all a little bit better than me. Just
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit better. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. I came up with
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that today.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, listen, Floyd's an all-time great,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: no doubt. But everybody can always meet their match.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Floyd's not going to like that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: And, you know.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Floyd's not going to like that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I know he won't like it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I would have to.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet against this guy because every time I
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: underestimated him. He fucking surprised me.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You're talking about Floyd, right? Or both of them, right?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Both of them.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Both of them. Yeah. Yeah. That was my answer the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: first time. They both have just always figured it out. Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And it's really hard to.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: You'd probably.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: You'd have to see that fight in their prime and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: then they'd probably have a rematch.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of like when Duran fought Sugar
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Ray Leonard at Welterweight. That was a young guy. And
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Duran was able... He had 80 fights already. But he
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: got himself up to a point where... And Sugar was
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: still young.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Sugar Ray... And he learned a lot, but fucking Durant
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: schooled him.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: In my estimation, Floyd reached his prime quicker than Terrence.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But Terrence has been able to fight in his prime
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: against the competition that everybody would look at him and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: salute and say, hey, you did what you had to do. Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: You know, the other side of that, while Floyd started
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to pick his opponents and do what he wanted to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: do when he won, paid that way you know he
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: did what he had.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: To do yeah and he earned that right yeah.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And that was where i where i came up with
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: this i was like both these guys did it their
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: own way right but terrence did it his his way
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: against against the odds yeah whereas yeah floyd did it
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: his own way against he set it all up for
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: himself you know not to say he set his fights
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: up but just He made sure that when he painted
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: that night, it was going to go out the way
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: he wanted it to go out, you know? Right. Terrence often,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: even with me, got in the ring and his promoters
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: were like, whatever happens, happens.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But when you're going to say, you know, great welterweights, he's, man,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: he's in that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: He's in that goat kind.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: He's in that best of five, best of ten.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: He's got to be in that conversation.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I got in the ring with
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: him was because I knew how good he was. Right.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So then when you talk about me, you're talking about
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Terrence as an all time. You're talking about Sean in
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: his generation. And I'm good with that because the things
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do outside of the ring. Right. Will
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: far surpass anything that anyone in my generation has ever done.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And for me, it's like, you can say that about
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: his generation in the ring, but you can say that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and he set himself apart outside of the ring. To me,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: what you do outside of the ring is more important
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: than what you do in. Because the outside stuff is
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: going to last a lot longer than the inside stuff.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Because you're a quality guy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Not only inside, but outside.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: That jumps to his quality right there. Thank you. You're
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: going to be getting one of these. I need one
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of those.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: And how's the movie coming?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Is it going to happen?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: It's coming.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: We're going to do a movie together.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: He's been promising me.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: So I believe it's going to happen.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: The movie's going to happen, man. You got to stop this.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: We love you showing up, but I'm worried. Don't be worried.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: All right, don't be worried. This is good. You're good.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're going to wear this, right?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you for
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the pizza. Absolutely. Yeah.