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HUGE UPDATE: What's Happening With Our Show & What's Next · In the Loop AI

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Josh: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Limitless. You probably have some questions.
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Josh: It's been a little while.
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Josh: What has it been? Three weeks and two days, something like that.
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Josh: Not that we've been counting, but we have some updates. This is an update video
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Josh: letting you know what's been going on over the past few weeks,
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Josh: what will be going on over the next few weeks, months, and hopefully years.
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Josh: And as you can see, Vijay is right by my side. Things are good.
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Ejaaz: I don't know which side you are, Josh.
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Josh: All is well, yeah. I think, yeah, you're giving, wait, I'll give the hug,
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Josh: put the arm out. There we go. Yeah, there's our virtual hug.
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Josh: All is well. We have some updates. Ejaz, you want to fill people in about what's been going on
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Ejaaz: The last few weeks? Oh, what hasn't been going on?
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Josh: It's been excruciatingly painful. Listen, we miss you guys so much.
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Josh: And we see all the messages.
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Ejaaz: We have missed you guys. Yes. Can we talk about the messages, Josh?
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Ejaaz: The amount of people that have messaged me, and I'm sure it's been the case
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Ejaaz: for you as well, being like...
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Ejaaz: Have you and josh broken up like is everything good between you and josh just
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Ejaaz: to address the the rumors josh and i are very well i can still see him in his
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Ejaaz: window well actually there's a building that's obstructing his view but he's still we.
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Josh: Live right next to each other also and the messages the outpouring of messages
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Josh: has been so kind and so generous and it's really nice to to see the support from the people who have
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Ejaaz: Watched yes it has and okay so let's go through like a quick kind of i guess
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Ejaaz: list of things that have been happening um,
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Ejaaz: the first thing is we've been working on some stuff behind the scenes and what
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Ejaaz: that looks like is a new partnership that comes in the form of this company
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Ejaaz: that had been listening to us and we're actually fans of the show they've been
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Ejaaz: listening to us for about
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Ejaaz: three to four months and they kind of reached out they were like hey how can we
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Ejaaz: work with you you know you guys are looking for like sponsorship or like you
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Ejaaz: know you want to expand the show and build it on a bigger scale and so that's
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Ejaaz: what we've been working on behind the scenes.
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Ejaaz: And it's been excruciating not being able to talk about it with you guys and
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Ejaaz: figure out how to communicate with this and put out new episodes for you folks.
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Ejaaz: But we've finally reached a point where we're comfortable enough to do that.
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Ejaaz: And we're excited to be back on the show. So I guess update number one is Yahoo
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Ejaaz: Finance has agreed to work very closely to put out AI content to you.
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Ejaaz: We talk about all the headline news, trending topics, new releases,
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Ejaaz: new models, but there is also another update.
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Josh: Yes, when EJ says us, he means us a little more sparingly than normal. Because...
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Josh: As of now, this is going to be a different type of show where I will be less
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Josh: involved. And this is the part that breaks my heart.
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Josh: As this whole process was going on with Yahoo and we were figuring out how to
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Josh: transition, some of you who have been sleuthing around the internet realized
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Josh: that I also had a role at Anthropic as a contractor.
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Josh: I have decided to continue to pursue that and continue to work at Anthropic
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Josh: as a full-time job at a full-time capacity.
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Josh: And it's doing similar stuff to what we're doing here on the show.
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Josh: Oh, it's creating content. It's talking about AI. It's just doing so at the
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Josh: place that we talk about on all of our episodes. And it was really difficult.
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Josh: Ejaz and I, we worked through a lot of the logistics of what this would look
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Josh: like and just kind of making sure it was cool by everybody.
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Josh: So instead of me being the host of every episode, I will be involved much more
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Josh: sparingly. I'm here today. I will hopefully be dropping in every once in a while.
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Josh: But Ejaz is now going to be shepherding you through the singularity and beyond
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Josh: for all of these daily episodes.
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Josh: And like, I do have to just thank everyone for the support and just like being
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Josh: here today in general, listening to this episode, you guys, this is number two, three, four.
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Josh: We've recorded 234 episodes of the show, which is just like an unbelievable
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Josh: journey that we've gone on over the last, what has it been like 15, 16 months.
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Josh: And the support that we've garnered over the last year from all the people who
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Josh: just reached out over the last couple of weeks, concerned, wondering where we've
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Josh: been, missing their favorite daily show.
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Josh: It's been so nice and just really sweet to...
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Josh: To feel the, I guess, like compassion from the audience that we've,
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Josh: we've built the community that we have and like miss you.
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Josh: We'll miss you, but we'll continue to provide content on a regular basis through
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Josh: our pal over here, Ejaz, who is now, I will say much more resourced.
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Josh: Ejaz will be in a studio filming a real show, um, and doing so at a regular cadence.
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Josh: So it's yeah, kind of a weird, weird, big change, tough change to talk about.
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Ejaaz: It's huge.
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Josh: But, um, but like a new, a new chapter a new era for for both of us
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Ejaaz: I want to address the you moving on to anthropic because it's kind of like going through a breakup josh i
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Ejaaz: i i told you this like the pit in my stomach definitely reassures dude i i was
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Ejaaz: like like we've been friends for so long and like we started this show literally in our bedrooms
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Ejaaz: stemming from conversations that we had offline before we ever sat in front
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Ejaaz: of a camera and so dude it's like extremely bittersweet and i've i've said all
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Ejaaz: of this to you off camera but like,
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Ejaaz: gonna miss you man like seriously like it's and we have like had
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Ejaaz: the most funnest times i've had the most funnest times ever on this show and
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Ejaaz: i'd be lying if i said that like you know um the new version would be would
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Ejaaz: ever feel the same um i don't think we can ever replace you but the intention of
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Ejaaz: the new version of this show is
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Ejaaz: that we maintain that core kind of like dna um and and that's you know it's
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Ejaaz: going to be me for now and i'm going to try my hardest to meet the very high
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Ejaaz: bar that we, you and I set on this show so far.
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Ejaaz: And hopefully, hopefully bring the type of content and insights and sometimes
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Ejaaz: very unhinged takes that you guys have been used to listening to.
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Ejaaz: And I want to emphasize the point that you just made, Josh, which is like the.
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Ejaaz: Loyalty and outpour of support that we've seen from you folks just over the
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Ejaaz: last couple of weeks has been insane.
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Ejaaz: You said it was three weeks, Josh. It has felt like three months.
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Ejaaz: I don't know about you, but like, it has felt like an eternity.
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Ejaaz: And there have been times where I'm like, I get these DMs and I'm like,
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Ejaaz: I really want to explain what's going on, but like I can't. And it's this really
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Ejaaz: difficult thing where we're still trying to work through some operational challenges.
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Ejaaz: But yeah, like it's going to be a new version of the show and I'm super excited to do it.
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Ejaaz: I hope you guys will join me and us and producer Luke, who's still behind the
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Ejaaz: scenes, joining us on this new thing forwards as we kind of put out more content
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Ejaaz: and capture the frontier.
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Ejaaz: But the cool part is we've always said on this show, we've always kind of been
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Ejaaz: like this armchair critic or this armchair expert that has been yapping at you
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Ejaaz: guys, it'll be nice to have an official.
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Ejaaz: Subject matter expert in the form of Josh appear on the show every now and again.
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Ejaaz: In the arena, letting us know all the latest and greatest of what's going on
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Ejaaz: at one of the top research labs in the world, which is awesome to see.
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Ejaaz: The other thing I'll say is,
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Ejaaz: In this new partnership, it's very important that we maintain the core DNA of
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Ejaaz: this show, which has ended up being me, us, Luke, producer Luke,
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Ejaaz: and all the creative kind of aspects that come with that.
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Ejaaz: And I just want to emphasize that that is exactly what it's going to be.
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Ejaaz: We're going to try and maintain that high bar that we set between the two of
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Ejaaz: us and put out content that hopefully you guys enjoy. So you guys are very key and important here.
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Ejaaz: We don't have any restrictions. We can make whatever type of episode or show
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Ejaaz: that we want, and we take a lot feedback seriously so we hope you guys will
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Ejaaz: join us on that journey um and i'm super excited by it albeit a little upset
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Ejaaz: um that josh is moving on but i'm super pumped for you dude.
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Josh: Yeah i want to explain a little more context but i also want to share the lore
7:26
Josh: of limitless because i don't think a lot of people know behind the scenes what
7:29
Josh: actually goes on how big is the team how we get things done like everything that you see
7:34
Josh: in limitless is done by three people and two of them are on screen right now
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Josh: we have a very small team we have a very lean team that pumps out four episodes
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Josh: a week and it's myself ejaz and producer luke who edits all the videos um luke is
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Josh: graciously going with ejaz to yahoo to continue that side of things and then
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Josh: i want to explain just a little bit of the thinking behind it because i feel
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Josh: like i do owe it to the people to just like share what
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Josh: What happened here so it's like the dream for me has there's been two parallel
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Josh: dreams which is one creating content to being at the frontier of technology
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Josh: all the things that we love all the things that we do um and then these two
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Josh: opportunities kind of happens within a few months of each other simultaneously
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Josh: one was to talk about the thing the other was to talk about the thing while building the thing and
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Josh: it feels like such a rare opportunity to contribute to a frontier lab in a meaningful
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Josh: way doing like what i'm responsible for is a lot of the content creation and
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Josh: the social channels and distributing videos and i'll be on a bunch of videos over there
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Josh: and it seemed like an opportunity that i could contribute as a non-technical
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Josh: person in a meaningful way that can make a difference and that to me was really
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Josh: important to to give it a try and see it through. And
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Josh: We chatted about it. I have all the faith in the world that after 234 reps,
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Josh: you're pretty good at this thing.
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Josh: And I think we're both pretty good at this thing. And the product will not die
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Josh: as a result. It will just look a little bit different. And I think that is okay.
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Josh: And we'll both still be creating content in our own worlds. And we'll both sync up when it makes sense.
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Josh: And I think that's like going to be, that's the explanation.
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Josh: At least that's kind of the reasoning and the thinking behind it.
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Josh: It's going to be weird though. and it's different because we dude so much has
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Josh: changed since we recorded episode one like episode one i think was may 17th
9:15
Josh: 2025 something around there i think it was sean mcguire as the guest
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Josh: I remember, like, I was going through a few of our episodes,
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Josh: particularly the new model launch demo episodes that I was, like,
9:26
Josh: clicking through just to see.
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Josh: And I remember not even, what was it, like, eight or nine months ago,
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Josh: we were stoked just to have, like, a little sprite on screen running through
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Josh: a 3D world. Oh, my God. And that was, like, the coolest demo in the world.
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Josh: Like, we couldn't believe it. We posted a short about it. The short went viral.
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Josh: It was, like, our best performing short ever because, holy crap,
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Josh: you can prompt a model to make, like, a game.
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Josh: And fast forward to today it's like dude if you if you prompt a model you'll
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Josh: get like you're getting like call
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Josh: of duty now in one prompt it is like a full-blown triple a game in fact
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Josh: i was going to ask you if you've been interested about any topics recently because
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Josh: one of the things that i got one-shotted with recently was um the reverse compiling
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Josh: of games i don't know if you've seen this on x
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Josh: but like as an avid gamer myself i've loved gaming since the beginning of time
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Josh: i still play every day i got my controller right here on my desk it doesn't leave my side um
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Josh: people who've been using these ai models the more recent frontier ones they've
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Josh: been reverse compiling these games back to their source code rebuilding them
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Josh: in a different language to bypass the ip laws and then just allowing you to
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Josh: play them and remix them together
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Josh: i found this so unbelievable that you can have like portal 2 with call of duty
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Josh: zombies in one or i saw like tiger woods driving like a car through like
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Josh: A Zelda map and I saw like a chess game mixed with like Link and there's been
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Josh: so many of these remixes.
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Josh: People are jailbreaking PS5s
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Josh: now like on a regular basis. You can play any game you want for free and
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Josh: i was just telling ejes before i started this that i was recording a video um
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Josh: was getting ready to publish it and i had the the model edit the video for me overnight generate the
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Josh: animations make the cuts do the sound design and it's like the progress that
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Josh: we've had from episode one to now has been staggering and i think we could both
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Josh: agree that the rate of progress is still that vertical curve so
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Josh: i don't know what the hell is gonna happen the next few months but like dude
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Josh: it's gonna be busy like you might need six seven eight nine ten episodes a week to cover all this
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Ejaaz: Stuff or maybe i just need six seven eight nine ten versions of me to cover
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Ejaaz: all of this and people can guess kind of like what the ai generated version
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Ejaaz: of it because the video models are also getting super freaky.
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Josh: Did you see the new 11
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Ejaaz: Labs i don't know whether it was the 11 labs thing but it was this product from
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Ejaaz: tavis did you see this where it's like oh no a zoom call okay so there's this video
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Ejaaz: of this guy sitting down and he's having a zoom call with one of his colleagues
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Ejaaz: and they're talking about how they should like release like the announcement
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Ejaaz: of their product and she just goes,
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Ejaaz: well maybe we should just record us speaking as like the video oh my god yes
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Ejaaz: i saw this and then he goes yes do you think people will understand that you're ai and she goes,
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Ejaaz: it doesn't matter if they do or they don't like that's just and she had the
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Ejaaz: thickest scottish accent ever and her facial expressions were like very human-like
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Ejaaz: and she could see everything he could see so,
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Ejaaz: the joke i guess here is that like ai has accelerated so quickly since we started
12:19
Ejaaz: the show i distinctly remember josh doing an entire episode i don't know if you remember this.
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Ejaaz: Comparing the personality of how the different models sounded.
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Ejaaz: Do you remember that? Where like Grok, the first version of Grok was basically
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Ejaaz: like extremely brash. And then you had GPT-4-0, extremely sycophantic,
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Ejaaz: agreeing with everything and we couldn't stand the thing.
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Ejaaz: And then we had Claude that was just like, just starting their ascent to fame
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Ejaaz: at that point where it was like, oh, this sounds actually smart and very reasonable.
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Ejaaz: And we should start using this model more. And I remember that resurgence fast
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Ejaaz: forward to today where now i am kind of using these models in an increasing
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Ejaaz: amount of tasks and just surface area of my life josh like,
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Ejaaz: recently um you asked me what i got excited about i've been obsessed with muse
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Ejaaz: meta's new personal super intelligence when.
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Josh: It came out i was like why can we not film an episode about this immediately
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Ejaaz: It's so sick it's.
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Josh: They beat johnny i have an open hair out of the punch they got the device out
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Ejaaz: How did zuck do that well i I guess, like, Zuck has built one of,
13:23
Ejaaz: like, the largest, most successful social media suite of products ever,
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Ejaaz: right? Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook, yada, yada.
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Ejaaz: And so he has all this data as to, like, you know, how people act,
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Ejaaz: what they want to buy, and he can help bridge that gap between them.
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Ejaaz: So using Muse, guys, if you haven't used this, and maybe we should make,
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Ejaaz: like, an entire episode about this as kind of, like, one of our comeback episodes,
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Ejaaz: but it's, like, it is so good and easy to use.
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Ejaaz: And the greatest part about this is there's so much competition popping up now.
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Ejaaz: You've got OpenAI last week releasing their version of this called Dots.
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Ejaaz: You've got Grok from Elon Musk, GrokBots, working more on like the...
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Ejaaz: Knowledge work side of things but this era of personal agents is something that
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Ejaaz: i'm very excited about because sometimes the model releases are now happening so frequently that i
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Ejaaz: don't know about you josh especially as you're working at anthropic but like
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Ejaaz: you kind of lose track of all the updates and like there's so many things going
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Ejaaz: on at once and you don't quite know
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Ejaaz: what model to use and when it's materially good for you and these personal agents
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Ejaaz: kind of act as the new medium the new layer honestly feels like javas dude i
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Ejaaz: was playing around or rather i was watching demos of,
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Ejaaz: OpenAI's new ultra mode or ultra fast mode where it spits out like 300 tokens per second.
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Josh: And so, X the cost.
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Ejaaz: Dude, yeah, 500 bucks because thank you, Jane Street, for dragging up the prices.
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Ejaaz: But they just like, the demo was of this guy not touching a single keyboard
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Ejaaz: and just kind of talking to his AI agent.
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Ejaaz: And when he would ask for a product, it would just appear in milliseconds in front of him.
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Ejaaz: So I just, when I compare this to episode one, I'm just like,
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Ejaaz: we have come so far. You and I have learned so much. And I honestly don't know
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Ejaaz: where all of this goes. It's just crazy.
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Josh: It probably just goes faster. I remember like the first time I was ever on Bankless,
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Josh: I spent so many hours trying to figure out like the best intro.
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Josh: And the intro was just like everything around us. It was a Steve Jobs quote,
15:17
Josh: actually, which was like everything around us is made up of people no smarter than us.
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Josh: What happens when they are smarter than us? And we are like right on the cusp
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Josh: of that reality happening.
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Josh: And i believe the downstream effects of intelligence smarter than we are is like
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Josh: still near incomprehensible in terms of how it plays out but i think
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Josh: there is a high level of certainty that it's here and if it's not here it is
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Josh: like very imminent and it is happening this year um or next year and it's really
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Josh: remarkable just to see the acceleration of progress and to your point it's like
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Josh: i think the average model launch the the time was like weeks last year and now
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Josh: we're down to like 10 days or something like that and i'm sure that's just going to compress
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Josh: i'm really excited about the personal agent era i think having a personal assistant
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Josh: giving it a hardware embodiment whether it be through musa's device the open
16:09
Josh: ai device that we're getting later this year that like
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Josh: dude whenever that happens we need we got to chat like when we finally solve
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Ejaaz: This let's go we've.
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Josh: Got to chat about that one because like oh man that's coming
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Josh: And it's this whole new paradigm where it's like this weird asymmetry, right?
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Josh: It's like there's been remarkable amounts of acceleration on the frontier,
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Josh: but then there has been a much more limited amount of,
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Josh: I guess, absorption from the general public where there are more users for ChatGPT
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Josh: today than there were last year, but not by the amount in which the intelligence has improved.
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Josh: So I think that we're at this now with this weird place where the rate of acceleration
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Josh: increases, but the rate of adoption is still a lagging metric.
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Josh: And i think like one of the most important problems is solving that lagging
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Josh: metric and that's done by all the people watching the show you got to tell your friends about
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Josh: what's going on how to use it how you use ai like what are you using your personal
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Josh: assistant for your grok bot your your dot from open ai whatever it may be um
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Josh: i think that's like a really important paradigm shift and then the sheer amount
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Josh: of intelligence man science biology
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Josh: if you could break down those things into quantifiable math like
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Josh: math seems close to solved right it's like we're solving all these impossible millennium problems
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Josh: um that probably creates a really interesting place in the next 12 months where
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Josh: it's like wow what if you can actually solve biology by breaking it down to
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Josh: numbers and then figuring it out using
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Josh: large language models like that seems kind of cool there's just so much stuff
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Josh: that's going to happen and it feels like this the stake not the stakes but like
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Josh: the importance of it gets larger it's like oh my god not only can it write your
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Josh: essays and like do your work but also it could save your life and i think i'm
17:45
Josh: excited for like that jump to
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Josh: Oh, I don't want to use AI. It's scary to, oh my God, AI created this thing that saved my life.
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Josh: And that's like a really cool thing. So I'm hopeful that we get that next year.
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Josh: And like, therefore we get a sentiment shift around AI as a whole,
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Josh: which is generally been mixed as we've done this thing.
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Josh: In fact, I will say you just, when we started, people were a lot more favorable
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Josh: towards it than they are today. So I think there has been this like backwards
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Josh: momentum that hopefully will shift forward sometime soon.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, you're right. There's, there's been this sort of like doomerism that has
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Ejaaz: taken over especially with like all the frontier labs calling to kind of like
18:21
Ejaaz: slow things down with all these like crazy ai agent hacks but
18:24
Ejaaz: i think very little time is spent on pushing out all the positive advances that
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Ejaaz: we're making to your point i do think,
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Ejaaz: the gap between what's happening on the bleeding edge of the frontier like for
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Ejaaz: example what's happening anthropic opening and all these frontier labs versus
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Ejaaz: what the majority 99.9% of people actually understand is widening.
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Ejaaz: It hasn't gotten any closer. And when I think back to starting this show,
18:50
Ejaaz: that was kind of the reason why we started it.
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Ejaaz: Because you and I were trying to figure all of this out. We were trying to unpack it ourselves.
18:56
Ejaaz: We were looking for feedback. We were looking for an audience to kind of like
18:59
Ejaaz: give us that feedback. So we were like, let's just film this show.
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Ejaaz: And that's the kind of like full intent of this show going forwards as well.
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Ejaaz: It's like kind of like trying to unpack the craziness that's going on.
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Ejaaz: Stuff that I'm excited about is, well, as a former biologist,
19:11
Ejaaz: I will say on your point around moving from this world of software and just chatbots to,
19:18
Ejaaz: physical wetware. And I know Anthropic is actually, you know,
19:21
Ejaaz: working on like a biology lab that has advancements by robotics and,
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Ejaaz: you know, you can plug in cord and you can run a bunch of experiments physically, autonomously.
19:30
Ejaaz: I know it's in those early stages. Like seeing more of that,
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Ejaaz: like Demis Fasibis is kind of like stepped down from his chief of AI role at
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Ejaaz: Google and is working on the same thing at, what is the name of his lab?
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Ejaaz: Isometric Labs or something like that?
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Josh: That sounds right.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, just seeing that come into real life, especially with robotics,
19:47
Ejaaz: is going to be such a major trend and theme of 2027, in my opinion.
19:52
Ejaaz: But there's also a case around fear, like people are worried that we are accelerating
19:59
Ejaaz: too fast, and we need to build this in as constructive a manner as we can.
20:04
Ejaaz: So the same tools that can be used to build all this amazing innovation,
20:08
Ejaaz: solve math, solve physics, and build the cure for cancer can't also be used
20:13
Ejaaz: for more malicious types of stuff.
20:14
Ejaaz: And I think it's a very reasonable shout. And I think for those folks who are
20:17
Ejaaz: worried about that, you have a right to be worried about those things.
20:20
Ejaaz: But I guess the case that you and I have always tried to make on the show is
20:23
Ejaaz: that it is way more optimistic than mainstream headlines make it out to be.
20:28
Ejaaz: And it's our kind of like goal to kind of like, you know, I guess,
20:31
Ejaaz: explain why that's the case.
20:34
Ejaaz: I'm excited about the robotics stuff, dude. I was looking at,
20:38
Ejaaz: what was it? There was an announcement from Brett Adcock. So he runs FIGA,
20:43
Ejaaz: which is the US robotics lab, one of the leading robotics labs here in the US.
20:47
Ejaaz: And they're announcing like their new personal agent called Hark.
20:50
Ejaaz: I was, I got access to it. I was playing around with it last night. It's pretty cool.
20:54
Ejaaz: But like, I don't know when this episode releases. Hopefully it's out by then.
20:57
Ejaaz: I think it's releasing today or yesterday, depending on when you hit this episode.
21:01
Ejaaz: Like we see hardware and software kind of like really merging together.
21:05
Ejaaz: We see models iteratively being produced faster and faster.
21:09
Ejaaz: Dude, the compute capex spend, do you remember like our first episode about
21:13
Ejaaz: this where we were like, these billions and billions of dollars is a big number.
21:19
Josh: Remember when it was billions?
21:20
Ejaaz: Remember when it was billions? And then we have.
21:23
Josh: Like kind of
21:23
Ejaaz: These leaks, rumors, and like actual real figures from some of the biggest companies
21:28
Ejaaz: in the world. I think between Google, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft,
21:32
Ejaaz: and Oracle combined, they're spending upwards of $800 billion just next year.
21:37
Ejaaz: Over the next 12 months, we see the price of memory still skyrocketing,
21:41
Ejaaz: even though the last time we spoke about it was about a month and a half ago,
21:44
Ejaaz: and we were like, oh, this might be the top.
21:46
Ejaaz: Prices are still going up. Demand is still soaring. AMD CPUs with this new AI agent stuff is crazy.
21:52
Ejaaz: It's hard to get my head around it because every time I think I'm being honestly
21:56
Ejaaz: a little too optimistic about this stuff, and I'm trying to ground myself,
21:59
Ejaaz: I'm like, but the numbers are telling me a completely different story.
22:03
Ejaaz: I don't know about, as you can tell.
22:05
Josh: It's not driven by debt. It's driven by revenue. And I think that's a big difference.
22:09
Josh: And it's driven by like real value that's being delivered to the world.
22:12
Josh: And like to your point about people disliking AI, I think like one of the most
22:17
Josh: compelling arguments for it is that like almost all the problems that we face
22:21
Josh: today are matters or like are downstream of a lack of intelligence or a lack of understanding.
22:27
Josh: Like the reason why we get unhealthy is because we don't understand what makes
22:30
Josh: us unhealthy. The reason why we can't build amazing structures and buildings
22:35
Josh: and infrastructure quickly is because we don't have the materials,
22:38
Josh: we don't have the manufacturing.
22:39
Josh: It's all kind of downstream of increased knowledge. And as we as a society have
22:43
Josh: gotten smarter historically, we have unlocked new technology like the internet,
22:47
Josh: also like the nuclear weapon.
22:49
Josh: Both of those things are good and bad. They have both upside and downside,
22:53
Josh: but the net net of all of this technology, technological progress is that the
22:57
Josh: quality of life of the average person is far better today than it was for the
23:01
Josh: wealthiest person in the world, even a hundred years ago.
23:04
Josh: And I see no reason in which that should change. In fact, it should accelerate
23:08
Josh: even more so in terms of volatility. Sure, because there's a lot of uncertainty.
23:12
Josh: There's a lot of change. Change is difficult to manage.
23:14
Josh: But on the other side of that, it's, well, now we have intelligence that not
23:19
Josh: only could we figure out, but we could use this artificial version that's smarter
23:23
Josh: than us, that could think for
23:25
Josh: Millennium worth of time in like a couple of days to solve these problems that
23:29
Josh: we could then take and use to improve our life so i think that's a really cool
23:33
Josh: really exciting thing to think about is like
23:35
Josh: every problem is downstream of a lack of intelligence we are now able to generate
23:39
Josh: intelligence at the cost per per watt per like ray of sunshine on the planet
23:45
Josh: we can convert that ray of sunshine into thought and like that's such a brilliant thing and i think
23:50
Josh: the back half what comes on the the backside of that it's just this like unbelievable
23:56
Josh: new future that does things that like we can't even imagine and this is the
23:59
Josh: early stages it's like i have to keep reminding myself how fast this has gone
24:03
Josh: this still is like day one it's like oh remember the internet when you had like
24:07
Josh: dial up connection and you had to like type onto like a message board and it
24:09
Josh: was just text and then you got video and it's like
24:12
Josh: this feels like that time and there's so many downstream effects this is a wave
24:15
Josh: that is never gonna end there's
24:17
Josh: there's like only ever gonna be a need to record more of these episodes because
24:21
Josh: there's just going to be so much stuff happening.
24:22
Josh: And I think like it's there's it's very easy to have a pessimistic view and
24:27
Josh: to join these groups of people to feel as if you are
24:32
Josh: Part of something special but i think the more interesting
24:36
Josh: place to be is joining the groups who are focused on making the change happen
24:41
Josh: so like you don't need to sit there and yell on the internet you can go and
24:44
Josh: like get in the arena and do the thing and i find that once you start doing the thing it's like
24:49
Josh: people start to realize like oh my god wait this is actually pretty amazing
24:52
Josh: um and this is unbelievable technology and
24:55
Josh: this is a really exciting future man it's just gonna to get crazier it's like
24:58
Josh: so fast the the curve is straight vertical and it shows no signs of slowing down
25:03
Josh: and my god what a fun journey it's been and like what a crazy journey it's going
25:07
Josh: to continue to be over the next few like days
25:11
Josh: weeks months year like it doesn't stop and oh it just gets me really excited
25:15
Josh: for for the future and all the cool stuff that's coming from it
25:18
Ejaaz: I saw this crazy stat from i think it was the a16z team two days ago where um,
25:24
Ejaaz: they talked about like ai penetration across like the entirety of the US or
25:27
Ejaaz: US households in general.
25:29
Ejaaz: And the number was like 2% in terms of like power users that had used AI chatbots
25:34
Ejaaz: beyond just like an average Google search.
25:36
Ejaaz: And honestly, it's something that I believe when you kind of like step out of
25:39
Ejaaz: like the Twitter bubble.
25:41
Ejaaz: And when you speak to people that are kind of like just doing kind of normal nine to five
25:45
Ejaaz: jobs, they've heard of the AI thing, but they have by no means kind of like
25:49
Ejaaz: downloaded or use an open source model or used one of these personal agents
25:53
Ejaaz: or understood like what you could potentially use these different tools for
25:58
Ejaaz: beyond just kind of like a chatbot.
26:00
Ejaaz: And that just gives me so much hope towards...
26:03
Ejaaz: Productivity of humanity and where we're kind of like moving towards in terms of like,
26:07
Ejaaz: inventing brand new things like when i think back to kind of like history in general,
26:13
Ejaaz: the craziest or the hardest challenge that humanity has always faced is,
26:18
Ejaaz: how do we invent a solution towards some kind of a problem and to your earlier point
26:23
Ejaaz: with ai the idea here is is you can just kind of apply it blanket to anything
26:28
Ejaaz: and every kind of problem and whether
26:29
Ejaaz: it's physical or software it will eventually be able to figure it out.
26:33
Ejaaz: About six months ago, that was crazy for anyone to kind of like conceive of,
26:38
Ejaaz: bar maybe like a couple thousand people in the world.
26:41
Ejaaz: And now you have an internal model that was trained for, I think it was 11 days
26:45
Ejaaz: at OpenAI, that has reportedly solved hundreds and hundreds of open standard math problems.
26:51
Ejaaz: And now mathematicians are kind of scratching their heads thinking,
26:54
Ejaaz: Okay, one, how do we feel about this? Because we've just dedicated our entire
26:58
Ejaaz: lives to figuring this out. Number two, how do we understand what the solutions
27:01
Ejaaz: are? Josh, I don't know if you, remember we covered the whole Navier-Stokes
27:05
Ejaaz: thing like back in the day, right? Back in the day, it was like three weeks ago.
27:09
Josh: A month ago.
27:10
Ejaaz: Navier-Stokes was like this millennium problem. There's like seven of them.
27:13
Ejaaz: And if you solve it, you get like a million dollars. OpenAI figured it out with,
27:16
Ejaaz: you know, one of their internal models.
27:18
Ejaaz: Mathematicians still haven't been able to go through the solution that they
27:22
Ejaaz: created, that the model created, because it's so hard for them to kind of wrap
27:26
Ejaaz: their heads around. So it's like this weird thing where it's like,
27:28
Ejaaz: okay, maybe the humans don't check the work of the AI. Maybe it's another AI.
27:32
Ejaaz: And I think the fear that comes from that is like, well, AI is just going to
27:36
Ejaaz: automate a bunch of our cognitive load.
27:37
Ejaaz: And I think the important part about this technology is it should be used as
27:43
Ejaaz: a tool very much in the same way
27:44
Ejaaz: that the internet has benefited so many people by being used as a tool.
27:48
Ejaaz: If you use AI as kind of like a thought partner, as something to make you smarter
27:52
Ejaaz: and teach you different things, you could actually end up having the opposite
27:55
Ejaaz: effect where you just become a way smarter, way more productive version of yourself
27:58
Ejaaz: in a very short period of time.
28:00
Ejaaz: And I hope that's what kind of like the show and the stuff that we talk about
28:03
Ejaaz: inspires. That's what inspires me, at least. I know that's what inspires you,
28:07
Ejaaz: Josh. So yeah, I think that's basically it. Is there anything.
28:10
Josh: Else to catch folks up on? I mean, yeah, it's just like AI, AI is a means to
28:14
Josh: asking better questions.
28:15
Josh: And right now it's solving our existing questions. But man, how cool is it going
28:18
Josh: to be when it starts to ask
28:20
Josh: more interesting questions that we can't comprehend, that unlock all the secrets
28:23
Josh: of our universe it seems like a reality that's coming i read a lot of sci-fi
28:27
Josh: which helps kind of synthesize what this is like
28:29
Josh: asimov has the last question which i think it's a short story everyone should
28:32
Josh: go read and it's about the idea of asking better questions until eventually
28:37
Josh: the world just reaches the heat death of the universe and like everything is
28:41
Josh: a form of intelligence there are two camps you can choose to be the pessimist
28:44
Josh: you can choose to be part of belonging of like this like armchair critic or you can choose to like
28:49
Josh: take the more noble side, I think, and fight the good fight and see how this
28:53
Josh: can actually change the world for the better. And that's what I would encourage
28:56
Josh: everyone to do. I did want to leave with some thank yous because they are in
29:00
Josh: order. This has been one hell of a journey.
29:02
Josh: I first, Ejaz, co-host number one right here, could not have done this,
29:06
Josh: all these episodes without you. So that like, oh my God, what a run it's been, what a run it will be.
29:12
Josh: I'm so excited to continue to do this, to continue to hang out.
29:15
Josh: We're still good, everyone.
29:16
Josh: We live right next to each other we're neighbors he can't even if he wants to
29:19
Josh: love you too man for better or worse we're doing the damn thing you broke my house
29:23
Ejaaz: Yeah yeah we're good.
29:25
Josh: Yeah and like to luke the producer who made all these episodes possible that
29:29
Josh: dude edited so many episodes he could probably do it with his eyes closed he
29:32
Josh: is the reason why we look so good on camera the reason why we say things that make sense he is the like
29:38
Josh: the reference check for all the crazy ideas that happen in our head it's like
29:41
Josh: no you cannot do this yes you should do this and it's oftentimes right and i
29:45
Josh: trust him with deciding the topics for so many of these episodes.
29:48
Josh: So many are gaveled by him.
29:49
Josh: We like, Edith and I will both have an idea. Luke's like, we should do this
29:52
Josh: one. We're like, you know what? I think you're right.
29:54
Josh: He's like totally pivotal. We'll still continue to be involved and we'll still,
29:58
Josh: you'll see his like hand pushing on this. There'll be a lot of similar themes
30:00
Josh: and that'll be Luke in the background to Ryan and David, the bankless guys.
30:05
Josh: They're the reason why this happened in the first place, particularly David,
30:08
Josh: who took the bet to say like, hey, do you want to do this podcast thing?
30:11
Josh: Like, I think you're pretty good at it. I think we can make something special.
30:15
Josh: He believed in our ability to make this podcast and he was right.
30:18
Josh: And I feel so much just like eternally kind of grateful for,
30:22
Josh: for him, for believing in us, for allowing this to exist, for creating this
30:25
Josh: entity that we now call like limitless and the show that we have and without
30:30
Josh: his support throughout, like overwhelming levels of support, even
30:34
Josh: against my resistance against it was like so critical. It's making this happen.
30:38
Josh: And then one, one final shout out, which I have to make because we've published 234 episodes.
30:45
Josh: And that is a tremendous amount of listening. And I don't know if anyone has
30:49
Josh: listened to every single one, ourselves included, except for one person.
30:54
Josh: My dad has listened to 234 of these episodes, every single word of every single one,
31:00
Ejaaz: Which is just like this.
31:02
Josh: Unbelievable feat and certainly supporter number one.
31:06
Josh: So thank you for listening to all these episodes and yeah it's just the last
31:10
Josh: one i guess is the people it's all the people that have been here for like
31:13
Josh: an eternity for supporting us for making this happen for giving us the platform
31:17
Josh: to be able to talk about this cool stuff every single day and you just like
31:21
Josh: you mentioned this is not the end this is the beginning of a new era and
31:25
Josh: i'm so excited for what that new era holds because if you thought the last 16
31:29
Josh: 17 months were crazy like oh buddy buckle up for the next one so for all the
31:34
Josh: people who have been here commenting
31:37
Josh: every single episode. You show up every single day, four days a week,
31:40
Josh: soon to be five days a week, and watch these episodes, engage with us,
31:44
Josh: follow along with us. Like, oh my God, a tremendous amount of gratitude for all of you.
31:50
Josh: One of the things that we've been in awe about for so long is just the quality
31:53
Josh: of our comment section. Ejaz, we talk about this every day.
31:56
Josh: We have the most thoughtful and interesting and productive comment section,
32:01
Josh: I think, on the whole internet. I've been doing the same thing for a while. We have
32:03
Ejaaz: The best side of YouTube by far i don't know how you guys found us but thank you.
32:08
Josh: So like seriously from the bottom of my heart thank you for making it exciting
32:12
Josh: for us there's a world in which
32:14
Josh: we get the doomer people in the comments and they hate everything and it just
32:17
Josh: becomes this hard thing to do but it's so motivating waking up and seeing the
32:20
Josh: support every day and that has been so critically important to to making this
32:24
Josh: into the thing that it is today and
32:27
Josh: that is that is the the thanks i feel really just like
32:30
Josh: grateful for the run, excited for where it goes next. And...
32:35
Josh: Man, what a freaking journey, dude. It's been, it's been like absolutely insane.
32:39
Ejaaz: It's amazing. And I'm going to miss you now. That's like, there's no other way to put it.
32:45
Ejaaz: We are going to miss you, but you're always welcome back to the show whenever
32:48
Ejaaz: you want to come in and be our armchair expert.
32:51
Ejaaz: And let us know about, you know, future model releases that we can break maybe
32:54
Ejaaz: before anything comes out.
32:56
Ejaaz: But, you know, it's, I'm excited about this new version of the show.
33:00
Ejaaz: And I'm excited to most importantly, keep bringing new folks content.
33:04
Ejaaz: It has killed me it has killed us not being able to put out an episode for so long,
33:10
Ejaaz: but we're back baby and hopefully you enjoy this new version of the show and
33:16
Ejaaz: you keep giving us feedback as has been so constructive if not just thankful
33:22
Ejaaz: in the comments section please keep liking if you aren't subscribed please subscribe
33:25
Ejaaz: turn on notifications that helps us out massively we are still on all the same channels
33:30
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33:33
Ejaaz: if you are not subscribed or giving us a rating on Spotify, Apple Music or wherever
33:36
Ejaaz: you listen, please do so as well most importantly, if you like our content if
33:40
Ejaaz: you've been OG listeners of the show let us know in the comments Josh, you just mentioned,
33:46
Ejaaz: there are probably some people that have listened to almost all or most of our
33:49
Ejaaz: episodes we want to hear from you guys, we want to give you guys a shout out
33:52
Ejaaz: because we read every single comment,
33:54
Ejaaz: we love you guys, we wouldn't be where we are today if it wasn't for you guys
33:58
Ejaaz: and it's going to be the exact same case as we push forwards into the new frontier.
34:03
Ejaaz: Of this show going forwards thank you guys so much for listening.
34:06
Josh: And yeah and i got to tell people where where to find us also so like please
34:09
Josh: i'm not disappearing off the face the internet
34:11
Josh: here handle right here at josh gale you can go follow for personal stuff we'll
34:15
Josh: be showing up on the claude youtube channel ejes you have a gazillion followers
34:19
Josh: on x you probably post like 12 times a day so
34:23
Josh: that would be his handle that's where you can go find out about that and then
34:26
Josh: these channels of course will begin to get active again i believe ejes you've
34:31
Josh: been recording some episodes for the yahoo channel it's like kind of figuring
34:34
Josh: out where all these things are going they'll
34:36
Ejaaz: All live here just to be clear they'll all live here yeah so.
34:39
Josh: You don't have to go anywhere else for that but yeah i think that's the update
34:43
Josh: thank you all so much for watching thank you all so much for being here along
34:46
Josh: this journey and we'll see you soon