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Friday September 23 2026 | Sonny Hostin Brags About Acquitting a Killer, Media Bias and the Associated Press · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 2: Remember the bumper sticker that said America, love it or
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  Speaker 2: leave it? Gosh, I've been thinking a lot about that,
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  Speaker 2: especially after I saw the clip from Judge Judy that
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait till Mark gets back. I want to
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  Speaker 2: find out, because I have a feeling he might push
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  Speaker 2: back a little bit on the attitude, America, love it
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  Speaker 2: or leave it. And there was a simplicity to that.
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  Speaker 2: And this was when I was a kid. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this used to be popular, I want to say, when
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  Speaker 2: I was maybe a teenager. And I remember seeing those
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  Speaker 2: bumper stickers everywhere. America, love it or leave it. As
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  Speaker 2: we get closer and closer to the midterm elections, Voters
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  Speaker 2: are going to get to make a choice between people
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  Speaker 2: who seem to hate this country, who despise our policies,
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  Speaker 2: who believe that we are a racist nation. They always
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  Speaker 2: go to the absolute worst instincts. Did you hear the
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  Speaker 2: story out of Mississippi of a young black woman who
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  Speaker 2: was found hanging from a tree in early August? Her
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  Speaker 2: name is Tazi of Fortune. And the Associated Press took
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  Speaker 2: her hanging homicide. She was killed. And they ran with
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  Speaker 2: the narrative that her death, and I'm quoting here from
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  Speaker 2: the Associated Press, has stirred distressing memories of the grim
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  Speaker 2: history of lynchings across the U.S. South. Now, They made
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  Speaker 2: an arrest, and the authorities are quite confident that they
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  Speaker 2: have their man. He's a 51-year-old guy known as Jock,
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  Speaker 2: Jock Ratliff, who knew her. They had some association with
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  Speaker 2: one another. He's been arrested. He's a black man. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, that destroys— the entire race hustling narrative that
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  Speaker 2: we're returning to an era of lynchings. And I can
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  Speaker 2: promise you there's young black kids in America who maybe
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  Speaker 2: saw news coverage of the death of Tassie of Fortune,
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  Speaker 2: this young woman. And they see the Associated Press headline
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  Speaker 2: because the AP is the gold standard for news coverage.
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  Speaker 2: People online, newspapers, TV, radio stations, they rely on the
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  Speaker 2: Associated Press. I guarantee you that coverage got advanced. We're
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  Speaker 2: returning to lynchings again. Things are so bad. Young black
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  Speaker 2: women are being lynched in Mississippi all over again. Turned
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  Speaker 2: out the police say it was a black man who
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  Speaker 2: murdered a black woman. And there is no lynching narrative.
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  Speaker 2: There is no racial component. This is an example, apparently,
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  Speaker 2: of an evil person doing an evil, unspeakable thing. And
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  Speaker 2: they ran with this narrative. They held press conferences. They
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  Speaker 2: were wringing their hands out. Was Benjamin Crump on the scene? Tracy,
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  Speaker 2: do we know? Did Benjamin Crump show up? Is he
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  Speaker 2: representing the family? What's he going to do now that
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  Speaker 2: the murder suspect is a black man? But go back
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  Speaker 2: to my point about hating America. Go back to my
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  Speaker 2: original belief that people on the left, that Democrats by
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  Speaker 2: and large, hate America. what our country is all about. America,
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  Speaker 2: love it or leave it. Think about that important, powerful mantra.
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  Speaker 2: You a fan of Judge Judy? I'll tell you a
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  Speaker 2: very funny story. Many years ago, Denise and the kids
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  Speaker 2: and I lived in Manhasset, New York. Manhasset is an
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  Speaker 2: idyllic community on Long Island. It's on the north shore
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  Speaker 2: of Long Island. Exit 35 off the LIE. And there
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  Speaker 2: was a diner down the street from our house when
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  Speaker 2: we first moved to Manhasset. Right there on Northern Boulevard.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll never forget this. Judge Judy came marching into
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  Speaker 2: the diner. And Denise and I are sitting there eating
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  Speaker 2: our meal. And I looked up. I said, honey, that's
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  Speaker 2: Judge Judy. And she was with her husband. And in person,
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  Speaker 2: Judge Judy said, is everything you think she is. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she's bossy. She's loud. She was demanding. She demanded to
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  Speaker 2: be served. I mean, she's a piece of work. And
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  Speaker 2: now she's 83 years old, and she's still going strong.
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  Speaker 2: But she's had a long run of as a very
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  Speaker 2: popular judge on TV. And they bring these stupid cases.
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  Speaker 2: The tree is in the backyard leaning over my fence
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  Speaker 2: and all this crap. And she yells at everybody. And
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  Speaker 2: it's hysterical. I've watched Judge Judy off and on over
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  Speaker 2: the years. And I can assure you, after watching her
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  Speaker 2: in that diner, I'll never forget her behavior in that diner.
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  Speaker 2: She wanted everybody to know that she was here. And
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to make sure every waiter and waitress knew
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  Speaker 2: took good care of her because, after all, she's Judge Judy.
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  Speaker 2: So she sits down this week, and I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know when the interview was, but it popped up on
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  Speaker 2: my social media feed. USA Today interviewed her. And USA
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  Speaker 2: Today got this sort of monologue from her about those
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  Speaker 2: in America who hate this country. And her message is
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  Speaker 2: crystal clear. This is our house. This is our home.
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  Speaker 2: We love our home. We love America. And if you don't,
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  Speaker 2: it's a big, beautiful world out there. Find another country
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  Speaker 2: where you'll be happier. I had to share this with you.
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  Speaker 2: I played it a lot on my show earlier, but
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  Speaker 2: let me play it for you here today on Eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 3: Next year, and this gets political. which I don't mind.
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  Speaker 3: I have a house and I have a home. I
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  Speaker 3: consider America my home. America has been good to me.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it's the greatest country in the world.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't like this country, go somewhere else. Don't
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  Speaker 3: come to the greatest country in the world, the most
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  Speaker 3: successful country in the world, and say, I want to
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  Speaker 3: change it. There are other countries that are the something
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  Speaker 3: else that you want. Go there. Go there. But don't
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  Speaker 3: come into my home. America is my home. Don't come
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  Speaker 3: into my home and say, I want to change it.
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  Speaker 3: You may say, I want to give more people opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: I want to change certain things the way certain things,
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  Speaker 3: the way we do business. But we are a capitalist
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  Speaker 3: country that revered excellence, that revered entrepreneurship, that revered all
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  Speaker 3: the things that made us great, that produced an apple.
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  Speaker 3: And Amazon, AI, whether you like it or not, it's there.
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  Speaker 3: It produced the Salk vaccine. It produced all of the
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  Speaker 3: major inroads in medicine. And we did that because we
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  Speaker 3: encouraged brilliance and excellence. We gave them those people a push.
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  Speaker 3: They were gifted classes. which I know public schools used
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  Speaker 3: to have. Now it's taboo. Everybody should be equal. Well,
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  Speaker 3: everybody's not equal. Some people are tall. Some people are short.
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  Speaker 3: Some people are musical. Some people are not. Some people
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  Speaker 3: have big breasts. Some people have no breasts. They're different.
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  Speaker 3: Don't come into my house, which is a perfect house,
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  Speaker 3: and tell me, Looks nice from the outside, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to change it inside to make it more of
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  Speaker 3: what we like. More vanilla gray, everything muted colors. Look,
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  Speaker 3: that's the way we should be living today. Don't come
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  Speaker 3: here to redecorate. You don't like my house? Stay in
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  Speaker 3: your own house or find a different house.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, I love that so much.
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  Speaker 3: I love.
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  Speaker 2: that attitude so much. And she's pointing out, she said, look,
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  Speaker 2: I understand you could say I want to change certain
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  Speaker 2: aspects of what we do. We can debate policy, but
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  Speaker 2: you can't fundamentally change the United States of America. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you hate the United States of America, you would
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  Speaker 2: want to change You would want that fundamental change. Incidentally,
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  Speaker 2: And bravo, bravo, bravo, Judge Judy. You know, I actually
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  Speaker 2: have a sort of begrudging respect for rich, famous people
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  Speaker 2: who are fed up with the United States and they leave.
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  Speaker 2: They leave the country. I mean, you go back, I
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  Speaker 2: think Johnny Depp lives in Paris. Didn't Ellen DeGeneres, I think,
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  Speaker 2: go to the UK? And Rosie O'Donnell went to Ireland.
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  Speaker 2: She was afraid, she said, for her safety and the
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  Speaker 2: safety of her family. She thought Trump was going to
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  Speaker 2: come round her up. So what did she do? Apparently she...
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  Speaker 2: obtained dual or she has dual citizenship because her grandmother
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  Speaker 2: was from Ireland. Incidentally, my grandmother was from Ireland too.
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  Speaker 2: Does that mean I can become a dual citizen? You
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  Speaker 2: think I have dual citizenship? My grandparents were from Ireland
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  Speaker 2: and Lithuania. I could be, I could have a trio
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  Speaker 2: of citizenships, United States, Ireland, and Lithuania. And the reason
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  Speaker 2: maybe I should become a dual citizen, I'll pull a Rosie.
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  Speaker 2: And if Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom get elected and
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  Speaker 2: they want to round me up someday, I can go
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  Speaker 2: flee to Ireland. But all kidding aside, I admire somebody
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  Speaker 2: who says, you know what? I hate the place. I
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  Speaker 2: hate the president. I hate the people who voted for him.
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  Speaker 2: Half the country stinks. I don't like these conservatives. I
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  Speaker 2: don't like a secure border. I don't like cops. I
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  Speaker 2: don't like the military. I'm going to move to Ireland.
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  Speaker 2: I'm rich. I can do it. I'm going to take
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  Speaker 2: my kids or whatever. I'm going to go to Ireland.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? There's something noble about that to me.
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  Speaker 2: There's something fairly honorable about that actually to me at least.
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  Speaker 2: But you're ready for the spoiler alert? She's back. She
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  Speaker 2: couldn't stay away. How long did she stay in Ireland?
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  Speaker 2: What was it, a year?
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  Speaker 3: She's back.
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  Speaker 2: She's off Broadway. She's on Broadway. She's doing a guest
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  Speaker 2: stint in a Broadway show. She's guest hosted Jimmy Kimmel Live.
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  Speaker 2: She's doing, I guess, stand-up again. She couldn't stay away.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't that tell you something? Doesn't that speak volumes about
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  Speaker 2: these haters? Sure, they hate on America a lot. They
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  Speaker 2: hate this country with every fiber of their being. But
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  Speaker 2: it keeps pulling them back. It's amazing. Artificial intelligence was
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  Speaker 2: addressed in President Trump's speech before the UN General Assembly
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  Speaker 2: this week. The other day, we had Craig W. Stanfill
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  Speaker 2: in here, and it was so fun to talk to
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  Speaker 2: this AI pioneer. Every single day, we're seeing headlines about
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  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. And that's why you're going to love this book,
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  Speaker 2: I think you're also going to love the latest round
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  Speaker 2: of misinformation regarding the mass deportation of illegals. Have you
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  Speaker 2: followed the case of the illegal from Venezuela in Austin, Texas?
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  Speaker 2: or call 800-4-RELIEF, 800-4-RELIEF. All right, there was a Venezuelan
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  Speaker 2: illegal got shot in Austin, Texas, in a conflict with
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement. And it's important, I choose my words carefully here,
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  Speaker 2: Because that's exactly what it was, a conflict with law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: ICE is law enforcement. Like it or not, you can
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  Speaker 2: call them thugs, fascists, Nazis, whatever name you want to
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  Speaker 2: come up with, they are law enforcement. Just like a
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  Speaker 2: sheriff's deputy, just like a police officer, just like a
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  Speaker 2: state trooper, a detective, they are law enforcement. And they
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  Speaker 2: are charged with enforcing our immigration laws. And occasionally, when
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  Speaker 2: they are apprehending and stopping an illegal, things can go sideways.
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  Speaker 2: That's what happened in Austin, Texas. A guy got shot.
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  Speaker 2: But that's all people knew. And they ran with a
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  Speaker 2: narrative that simply wasn't true. A big shout out and
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  Speaker 2: a salute to Will Kane. I'm not always with Will
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  Speaker 2: Kane on everything. I like the guy. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: a good host in the afternoons on Fox News. I
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  Speaker 2: read somewhere that he's livid that Trump sat down with
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  Speaker 2: Zoran Mamdani. He thinks it's terrible. He thinks that's awful.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't know what Trump is thinking. Trust Trump. Trust
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  Speaker 2: this president. He knows what he's doing and he's a
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  Speaker 2: New Yorker. He wants New York to succeed. He wants
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  Speaker 2: the country to succeed. And yes, that sometimes means you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have to Sit down with your political opponents.
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  Speaker 2: Any event, here's Will Kane talking about this shooting of
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  Speaker 2: this illegal from Venezuela on Fox News Channel.
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  Speaker 5: And almost immediately, the left was out with this talking point.
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  Speaker 5: You heard it uttered by Obama bros and Senate candidate
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  Speaker 5: James Tallarico that the illegal immigrant was in fact a
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  Speaker 5: legal immigrant and was here on a work permit. That's
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  Speaker 5: not true. The reality is that he entered in 2024
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  Speaker 5: using the CBP1 cell phone app, and he wasn't the
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  Speaker 5: only one. More than 936,000 people made appointments and legally
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  Speaker 5: crossed the border through the app, most of them coming
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  Speaker 5: from Venezuela, Cuba, or Mexico. That context was conveniently missing
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  Speaker 5: from Congressman Greg Kassar's demand for ICE to leave Austin.
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  Speaker 5: That's Kassar. He looks like a character out of Sesame Street.
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  Speaker 5: He looks simply unreal, talking about the horror that ICE
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  Speaker 5: has brought to Austin. But this is a man that's
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  Speaker 5: used to D-list acting. Remember when he went on a
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  Speaker 5: performative hunger and thirst strike?
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  Speaker 2: We're out here on Third Strike to respect the American people.
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  Speaker 2: What do y'all say?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah!
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  Speaker 5: Went nearly nine hours, nine, without food or water. He did, though,
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  Speaker 5: have a staff attending to his every medical need, presumably
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: helping with the hair dye, ensuring that it doesn't run
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  Speaker 5: down and sweat along his back. brave. That charade, though,
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  Speaker 5: is about as fake as this entire coordinated timeline of
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  Speaker 5: protests in Austin. See, it started at 419 p.m. on Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: That's when the Party of Socialism and Liberation posted about
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  Speaker 5: the shooting, calling out ICE and telling them to get
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  Speaker 5: out of Austin. And then who jumped in? Of course,
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  Speaker 5: the DSA. Soon after, on Sunday at about 4.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 5: local time, the Austin chapter of the Democratic Socialist of
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  Speaker 5: America posted a graphic labeled Emergency Demonstration Vigil, calling on
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  Speaker 5: supporters to gather at 8121 Research Boulevard from 5 p.m.
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  Speaker 5: to 8 p.m. That was on Sunday for a, quote,
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  Speaker 5: spontaneous protest. Just about an hour later, the PSL had
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  Speaker 5: announced that a live crowd had gathered where the shooting
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  Speaker 5: took place. Less than 24 hours after that, a new
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  Speaker 5: call to action moved activists to Pearsall Detention Center, where
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  Speaker 5: local groups claimed ICE agents allegedly held the detainee in custody.
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  Speaker 5: Boots on the ground, the Post demanded. Most disturbing, then,
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  Speaker 5: was this video from yesterday. Having been activated, we now
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  Speaker 5: see the results, showing people masked but midriff-bared, calling for
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  Speaker 5: the death of President Trump. Kill Donald Trump, it reads.
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  Speaker 2: How good is that? That's analysis. That's called clarity. That's
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  Speaker 2: what we need now more than ever. The clarity is
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  Speaker 2: definitely lacking. People are baffled. People are confused. And people
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  Speaker 2: are accepting wickedness. I hope you join us for tomorrow's
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  Speaker 2: Eminem Extra because I'm going to feature my interview with Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Youssef. he's as good as anybody on the issue
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  Speaker 2: of good versus evil. And what we're witnessing now is
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  Speaker 2: way beyond policy disagreements. I'm going to Los Angeles later
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  Speaker 2: this week for a big town hall event that the
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  Speaker 2: KRLA radio is putting on along with all of our
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  Speaker 2: partners in Pasadena. I'm going to be there with Larry
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  Speaker 2: O'Connor and Larry Elder and Alex Marlow from the Salem crowd.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Hilton, the wonderful, wonderful Republican candidate out there. Nick Shirley,
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to meeting that young man who's been doing
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: a great job with his activism and his citizen journalism.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But I want to make sure that when I'm on stage...
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: in addition to the 9-11 tribute that I'm going to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: be presenting to the audience, we're going to be in
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  Speaker 2: a panel discussion, and I really hope to be able
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to advance my belief that we're way beyond policy differences.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: We're not looking at Democrat versus Republican ideology anymore. We're
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: watching a level of wickedness and evil that has reared
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: its ugly head because there is no pushback. People are
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: getting away with the unthinkable. If I told you that
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a highly compensated, high profile TV star went on her
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  Speaker 2: show and proudly bragged about getting a cold-blooded murderer off
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the hook when she was on a jury, And she
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: went on, incidentally, to become a judge, as she never
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: forgets to tell everybody, or a prosecutor, rather, a federal prosecutor,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: as she never stops to remind people. If I told
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  Speaker 2: you that this woman, Sunny Hostin, star of ABC's The View,
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  Speaker 2: literally bragged about convincing 11 of the 12 jurors that
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  Speaker 2: she was on that a man who murdered his roommate
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  Speaker 2: chopped up her body, ate her brains, and boiled her
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  Speaker 2: body parts and fed her body parts to the homeless.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And this guy was, of course, brought up on first-degree
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: murder charges in New York City. She went on her
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: TV show this week and she bragged that she was
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the lone holdout against convicting the guy, holding him accountable, responsible.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: She was the one who managed to convince the other
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  Speaker 2: jurors that he didn't mean to do what he did.
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  Speaker 2: If I told you this, you wouldn't believe me, right?
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  Speaker 2: You'd say, there's no way, there is no way that
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  Speaker 2: Sonny Hostin would have enthusiastically bragged about doing such an
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  Speaker 2: unthinkable thing. Well, she did. And here's the clip.
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  Speaker 4: The insanity defense has been around in Massachusetts for 182 years.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it's well established. And I thought absolutely
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: that she was not criminally responsible for by reason of insanity.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: And the reason I felt that I feel so strongly
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: about this holdout juror is because I was a holdout
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: juror in a case, in the Daniel Rakowitz case. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: don't know if people remember it, the butcher of Tompkins
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  Speaker 4: Square Park.
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  Speaker 5: It was in 1990.
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  Speaker 3: The guy who ate the victims? Yes. You were on
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  Speaker 3: that jury? You're going to need to explain more.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Were you on.
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  Speaker 4: The jury already? It was before I went to law school.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, because I would have never put.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: You on the jury.
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  Speaker 4: And when I brought it up in the high school,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: When I brought it up at the Hot Topics meeting,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I don't think everyone believed me. And then my producer
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: looked it up and I'm in the New York Times.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: And apparently several jurors questioned afterwards said one holdout juror
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: was principally responsible for preventing them from returning a guilty verdict.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: That was me. And it was because I saw clearly
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: that he was psychotic.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: He was in psychosis. He did not mean to kill her.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: And once he killed her, he panicked. He chopped up
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: her body parts. Yes, boiled her body parts. Tried to
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: commit the perfect crime and then fed her.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And you got this guy off?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: But he fed, that's how much I believe in the
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: insanity defense. And he fed her body parts to the unhoused.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Excuse me, can I move over?
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Yes. I don't need to be around. But all that
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: being said, it was so clear to me in the jury.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: And we were sequestered for nine days. One juror threw
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: a chair at me.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: They were so.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Angry with me.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: But one by one, I picked them off and said,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: what about this? What about that? And we ended up,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: all 12, unanimously voting that he was not criminally responsible.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Just hungry.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: See, that's my issue with the law. But he is
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: still in a mental institution being treated.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe watching her from his hospital room. Maybe he gets
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: to watch The View every day and he can grin
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: from ear to ear knowing that she's the lunatic who
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: got him off the hook. Did you hear the joy
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: in that lone juror she proudly proclaimed? That was me.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: That was me. Aren't I special? And he didn't mean
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: to kill her. And after he killed her, He panicked,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and he chopped up her body and boiled her body,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: ate her brains, and fed the body parts to the unhoused,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: as she put it, because Sonny Hostin isn't going to
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: dare use the, what is it now, the H word? Homeless?
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