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A Life of Purpose Through Perseverance w/ Joni Eareckson Tada · Something Extra

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  Lisa Nichols: I'm grateful to have Joni Eareckson Tada on the show today.
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  Lisa Nichols: Joni is an author, speaker, and the founder and CEO of
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  Lisa Nichols: Jonny and Friends.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, Jonny, I am beyond honored today
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  Lisa Nichols: to have you on the something extra podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: I am so delighted.
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  Lisa Nichols: I told you I have been a fan of yours for fifty years.
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  Lisa Nichols: I remember reading your book in high school, seeing the movie.
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  Lisa Nichols: I think it came out in nineteen eighty.
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  Lisa Nichols: I remember going and seeing that.
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  Lisa Nichols: You are such an inspiration to millions, and I'm just honored
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  Lisa Nichols: that you would say yes to be with me today.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Absolutely, Lisa.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: It's a delight to see your smiling face, and, of course, a special
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: greeting to all of our friends who are joining us on this podcast,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: most of them, I'm sure, in the corporate world.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And and we got lots to talk about, don't we, Lisa?
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  Lisa Nichols: We do.
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  Lisa Nichols: We do.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I have to give a shout out to our mutual friend, Susan Flippen,
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  Lisa Nichols: who connected us.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm so grateful to her, Johnny, because she was the one that connected the
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  Lisa Nichols: two of us.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Well, you know, it's all about networking, friends together who have similar
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: interests, and I think you and I do, Lisa.
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  Lisa Nichols: I agree.
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  Lisa Nichols: I agree.
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  Lisa Nichols: Goodness gracious.
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  Lisa Nichols: We've got so much to talk about here, but I do want to really
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  Lisa Nichols: in our I told you in our thirty minutes together, Johnny, I just really
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  Lisa Nichols: there's so much to you.
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  Lisa Nichols: You've written over fifty books.
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  Lisa Nichols: You've I mean, we'll talk about some of the ministries.
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  Lisa Nichols: I can't believe how many ministries you founded.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  Lisa Nichols: We'll talk about those, but I'm hoping that we'll wet the the listener's
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  Lisa Nichols: appetite.
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  Lisa Nichols: So go and listen to the podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: You have a radio show.
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  Lisa Nichols: Johnny and Friends, you even have family retreats, and maybe that
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  Lisa Nichols: they will decide to attend a family retreat.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Absolutely.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And you've mentioned a lot of things there, Lisa.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And let me just say, when I dove into shallow water,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: fifty eight years ago back in nineteen sixty seven, and
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I broke my neck and instantly became a quadriplegic.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: The farthest thing from my mind was writing books or starting
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: a ministry, that reaches millions of people with disabilities
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: worldwide.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: That was
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: farthest from my thinking.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I was just so depressed and could not understand what God
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: had in mind, with this wheelchair.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I've lived in a wheelchair for a long time.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I've learned many good lessons about relationships
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: and moving forward and persevering through pain.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I hope that, we'll share a few snippets here together that might
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: encourage our listeners.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I wanna talk about all of that.
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  Lisa Nichols: So for our listeners that, maybe don't know Johnny's story,
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, she did dive into the Chesapeake Bay when she was seventeen.
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  Lisa Nichols: I think you had a fracture between the fourth and the fifth cervical
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  Lisa Nichols: ray.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: Cervical level.
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  Lisa Nichols: You grew up in Baltimore.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: You grew up in Baltimore.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Yes.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I grew up in Maryland and had a desire to be
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: a physical therapist.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Of course, after I broke my neck, I could not go to college that
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: fall and ended up in physical therapy except on the wrong end.
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  Lisa Nichols: On the wrong side.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
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  Lisa Nichols: Isn't that oh, goodness gracious.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I know that, you grew up with older sisters.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: Three older sisters.
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  Lisa Nichols: We've got Kathy, Jay, and Linda.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And let me say they were all so supportive.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know, when you go through a tragedy, when you go through any kind
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: of great loss or grief, it means the world to have a support
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: system.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: My support system just happened to be the community of my family
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: and friends.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But we all need community.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And, certainly, that's something that I believe God
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: used to help push me into a life that, he
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: shaped to serve others.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I just remember reading the stories of your sisters come in.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, Kathy is the one that really kind of knew something
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  Lisa Nichols: was going on.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: So she kinda came to the rescue.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Well, I should share that story real quickly.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: My took that dive at the Chesapeake Bay, hit my head on
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: a sandbar.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: It was indeed shallow water.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I had not known how shallow until that point.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And when my, when I was floating face down in the water,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: near drowning, my sister Kathy, who I had gone to the beach
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: with that day, she was walking through the shallow water ready to
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: go back up on the beach.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And a crab bit her toe.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: She whirled around in the water to scream to me to watch out for
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: crabs.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And of course when she saw my my blonde hair floating on the surface,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: that alerted her and she quick came,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: swimming to help me.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And just as I was about to drown, pulling in water, she pulled me
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: up out of the water.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And we often talk, my sister and me, we say, how, what are
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: the odds?
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: How good of God to send that little crab just to bite my
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: sister's toe at the exact right instant that she needed to be alerted that
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: her her, sibling was in danger.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so right away, I'm I'm pushed into the reality
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: of God's sovereignty.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: To what extent does he allow or permit things to happen?
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And that was a big question that I wrestled with the first few years
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: of my disability.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: I know you did.
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  Lisa Nichols: And you went through a couple years of you know, you were in the
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  Lisa Nichols: hospital and then, you know, went to the rehab,
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  Lisa Nichols: center.
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  Lisa Nichols: I can't remember, but city hospital.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: Was that right?
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: University of Maryland Hospital.
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  Lisa Nichols: University of Maryland Hospital.
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  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, John Johnny, I would love to talk about that because we
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  Lisa Nichols: may have listeners out there that and I told you our middle daughter, Paige,
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  Lisa Nichols: was diagnosed with small and large fiber neuropathy seven years ago.
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  Lisa Nichols: And so she's lived with chronic pain and, you know, often says,
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  Lisa Nichols: you know, what is all of this about and that sort of thing.
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  Lisa Nichols: But I know, like, just from reading,
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  Lisa Nichols: and this would probably not come to any shock to anyone,
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  Lisa Nichols: but, you know, you went through depression, tremendous depression.
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  Lisa Nichols: And at at some point, you know, Johnny, I I think I even read
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  Lisa Nichols: you said, God, if you won't let me die, show me how to live.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Actually, that was the prayer that I prayed, Lisa, after about two
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: years of of deep depression and even despair.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I would stay in my bedroom after I got out of the hospital.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I would stay in my bedroom and tell my mother to close the drapes,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: turn out the light, shut the door and just leave me alone.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I didn't want to shut up in a wheelchair.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I was so depressed.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But finally, to be frank, I got tired of pitying
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: myself.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: There's got to be more to life.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know, human beings were just too significant to while
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: away, our time in a dark bedroom.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so that's when I prayed, God, please, if I'm not
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: going to die, because I tried to kill myself by wrenching
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: my head back and forth on the pillow many nights.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But if I can't die God, then please show me how to live.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And that little spark of hope was ignited by that
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: very short, but yet very sincere prayer.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And when I felt that flutter of hope in my heart, it made me
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: dive deeper into the word of God to find out where
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: there might be more comfort and encouragement.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: You're right.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well and I know, Johnny.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, obviously.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you've goodness gracious.
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  Lisa Nichols: You've gotten so many honorary doctorates and
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  Lisa Nichols: in theology and all kinds of things, but I know that your relationship
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  Lisa Nichols: with god through this has just evolved
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  Lisa Nichols: so much.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: It has.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: It has.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And, you know, I guess when I first started to come out of
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: depression, I put myself I put myself under the tutelage
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: of some wise young people
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: who, were more skilled in the word of God than I was.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I remember one of them saying to me, Johnny, God permits what
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: he hates to accomplish what he loves.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And at first I didn't understand that.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But then he pointed to the cross of Christ.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: God permitted
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: betrayal, injustice, murder, and torture, all the things
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: that led to Christ being impaled on that cross.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: God permitted that, all of that suffering, to accomplish
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: something that he loved.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And what could he possibly love,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: above the torturous death of his own precious son?
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Well, how about millions and millions of people
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: believing in what Christ did on the cross, that sacrifice, and coming to
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: a saving faith in in him and having a relationship with
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: God.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: So God permits what he hates, my accident.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: He doesn't take any pleasure in suffering for sure.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But he permitted what he hated to accomplish something that he
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: loves.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And we only briefly mentioned it so far, Lisa, but I I lead a
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: global ministry that has served fourteen million people with disabilities
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: worldwide.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And you might think, how does that happen?
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I can't even feed myself.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I mean,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: the the CEO of one of the largest Christian charities in America,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: only has a high school education.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know, if I were God, I'd be worried.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But, you know, God delights
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: in using our weaknesses to accomplish his purposes.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Yeah.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I've talked to many people in the corporate world, and they they talk a
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: lot about their strengths and their power, you
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: know, to get things done.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know, they run with their strengths.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: They avoid exposing
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: any weaknesses and it's natural in business to
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: leverage power and minimize your what you can't do or what you're
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: not trained to do.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But God delights in leveraging weakness and minimizing,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: our power to get His work done.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: That's not the way of, businesses in this world, but it
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: is the way of the upside down kingdom of the cross.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Weakness is always God's way of working.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And honestly, Lisa, honestly, I don't think I've ever said this in an interview,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: but when I broke my neck
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: so many years ago, I know God's heart broke for me,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: but I also know that he his heart was breaking for the one point
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: three billion people with disabilities in this world Mhmm.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Who live in dire conditions, in desperate poverty.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: So I'm convinced God was thinking of those one point three billion people with
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: disabilities when he allowed me to break my neck, he
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: was thinking of how eighty percent of them live in poverty.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: He was thinking of Psalm ten and how he hears the cry of the
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: afflicted.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And now when I see what we're doing through our hundreds
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: of family retreats and our distribution of tens of
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: thousands of wheelchairs around the world,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I say, thank you, God.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: I I never would have dreamed that when I was depressed and in that
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: dark bedroom.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Never, ever.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Mhmm.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But God
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  Lisa Nichols: But God.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: But God.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: There there you say, but God.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
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  Lisa Nichols: That is so beautiful.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well and and the reality is, Johnny, it's our weakness, his
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  Lisa Nichols: strength.
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  Lisa Nichols: We are you know, it's his strength that comes through in our weakness.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: And then because if it were our strength that we were playing to, we
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  Lisa Nichols: would have the tendency to take the glory for that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
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  Lisa Nichols: But when you see him working in our weakness, it's like it's what we
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  Lisa Nichols: were created to do Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: Which is to bring him glory in all things.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Absolutely.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And through my weakness,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: which was very humbling, God brought around me
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: skilled, experts in disability outreach.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: He brought, a COO to us who was the former
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: master chief of logistics for the Navy SEALs.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: This man is such a great operations manager, and we've got
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: a president who's a former pastor.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: We've got
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: just so many skilled wonderful people around me.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: That's what we call it Johnny and Friends.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I can't do all that work, but certainly, I've got some good friends
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: around me who are skilled, who do have the have the, expertise.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: That is so good.
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  Lisa Nichols: That is so good.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you this, because you've learned a
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  Lisa Nichols: little bit about this.
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  Lisa Nichols: What does surrender look like to you, Joni?
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Oh,
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: okay.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: There's this story in the Bible
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: of a woman who had had a bleeding hemorrhage
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: for twelve years, and she had spent all her money on doctors.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And her last hope was she heard Jesus was
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: walking through the streets of, Jerusalem, and she
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: she pushes through the crowd, and she grabs
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: the hem of his garment.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: She doesn't even know what she's asking for.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: All she knows is here's a man who could do something about
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: my pain.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I think that surrender where we just
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: expose before God and others,
• 15:36
  Joni Eareckson Tada: all of our lack of strengths, all of our weaknesses and limitations,
• 15:41
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and we say, Jesus, I can't do this, but you can.
• 15:45
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Mhmm.
• 15:45
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And and that's what I do almost every day, Lisa.
• 15:48
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I wake up and like that woman, I just reach out for the hem
• 15:53
  Joni Eareckson Tada: of Christ's garment because after fifty eight years of Perelifest,
• 15:58
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I'm tired.
• 16:00
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I often feel like, God, I can't do this one more day.
• 16:04
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And and then I have to say, but Jesus, I can do all
• 16:08
  Joni Eareckson Tada: things through you as you strengthen me.
• 16:12
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I just hold on to his garment for the rest of the day
• 16:16
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and need Jesus desperately just like that woman with the hemorrhage.
• 16:20
  Joni Eareckson Tada: So and she was healed physically, which is wonderful.
• 16:24
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I I love that about the story.
• 16:26
  Joni Eareckson Tada: She received a miraculous healing.
• 16:28
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I did not.
• 16:29
  Joni Eareckson Tada: My, my legs are still paralyzed.
• 16:32
  Joni Eareckson Tada: My hands are are still paralyzed.
• 16:35
  Joni Eareckson Tada: But boy, I've been healed in the inside.
• 16:37
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I understand perseverance, endurance, patience.
• 16:42
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I understand peace.
• 16:44
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I understand contentment.
• 16:47
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I have courage.
• 16:49
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I think my soul is brave.
• 16:51
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And even though my singing voice isn't what it used to be, I sing
• 16:55
  Joni Eareckson Tada: songs of victory.
• 16:57
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And this is how I've been healed.
• 17:00
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Way, way, way, way down deep where it counts.
• 17:03
  Joni Eareckson Tada: That's where it counts.
• 17:05
  Lisa Nichols: That's so beautiful.
• 17:06
  Lisa Nichols: And your story is healing others and giving them courage
• 17:10
  Lisa Nichols: and giving them peace
• 17:12
  Lisa Nichols: and all of those things.
• 17:14
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 17:14
  Lisa Nichols: You're sharing that through your story.
• 17:16
  Lisa Nichols: You know, speaking of I'm glad that you brought that up.
• 17:19
  Lisa Nichols: I know that you sing, and I was listening.
• 17:23
  Lisa Nichols: You did the title song for that movie
• 17:27
  Lisa Nichols: Alone, Not Yet Alone.
• 17:29
  Lisa Nichols: And I oh my goodness.
• 17:33
  Lisa Nichols: I, Johnny, I just cried when I listened
• 17:37
  Lisa Nichols: to the lyrics of that song, and your voice is so beautiful.
• 17:40
  Lisa Nichols: But it talks about running to you when we are weak, presenting our
• 17:44
  Lisa Nichols: weakness to you.
• 17:45
  Lisa Nichols: I don't wanna think that it can't be done.
• 17:47
  Lisa Nichols: In you, I find my strength.
• 17:48
  Lisa Nichols: It's so beautiful.
• 17:50
  Lisa Nichols: Again, it's called Alone Not Yet Alone.
• 17:53
  Lisa Nichols: So go watch the movie listeners.
• 17:56
  Lisa Nichols: Listen to Johnny does the title song for that.
• 17:59
  Lisa Nichols: And and I know Ken had something to do with that too.
• 18:02
  Lisa Nichols: I think he had done
• 18:03
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Oh, yeah.
• 18:03
  Lisa Nichols: I couldn't assist you on the hunt.
• 18:07
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Right.
• 18:08
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Again, this was a movie company who had heard me
• 18:12
  Joni Eareckson Tada: sing at a convention, and the producer came up to me afterward and asked
• 18:16
  Joni Eareckson Tada: if I would please sing, the lead song, the theme song for this movie,
• 18:21
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Alone Yet Not Alone.
• 18:23
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I did.
• 18:23
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And of course, I couldn't hit the high notes.
• 18:26
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It was pretty high for me.
• 18:27
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so Ken, in the in the sound studio, had to press on my
• 18:31
  Joni Eareckson Tada: abdomen to force out all my air so I could reach those high notes.
• 18:35
  Joni Eareckson Tada: But,
• 18:37
  Lisa Nichols: it worked.
• 18:38
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It it it it did.
• 18:39
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And, you know, even though I can't sing like I used to, I still
• 18:43
  Joni Eareckson Tada: sing to myself.
• 18:44
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Here at the headquarters of Johnny and Friends, we've got a a ramp that
• 18:48
  Joni Eareckson Tada: wraps around from the lobby.
• 18:49
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It wraps around the chapel and goes up to the second floor.
• 18:53
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I could get to my office quicker if I use the elevator.
• 18:57
  Joni Eareckson Tada: But I love to go up that ramp and sing.
• 18:59
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Sing.
• 19:00
  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know?
• 19:00
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Happy day, happy day.
• 19:03
  Joni Eareckson Tada: When Jesus washed our sins away.
• 19:06
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I just I just love singing because it's, it's how I get through
• 19:10
  Joni Eareckson Tada: suffering.
• 19:10
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I I sing my way through it.
• 19:13
  Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful.
• 19:14
  Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful.
• 19:15
  Lisa Nichols: That could be a book title.
• 19:16
  Lisa Nichols: You've only written fifty.
• 19:18
  Lisa Nichols: I think you need to be working on fifty one.
• 19:21
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Johnny, we're gonna take a quick break, and we'll be right back on
• 19:24
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, welcome back everyone to the Something Extra podcast with Johnny
• 20:04
  Lisa Nichols: Erickson Tada.
• 20:05
  Lisa Nichols: Jonny, I just wanna mention this for our listeners.
• 20:08
  Lisa Nichols: You have got so many ministries.
• 20:10
  Lisa Nichols: I was telling my husband this morning, you've got wheels for the world.
• 20:14
  Lisa Nichols: You've already kinda talked about that, but I think you've given over three
• 20:18
  Lisa Nichols: hundred thousand wheelchairs so far, maybe more than that.
• 20:23
  Lisa Nichols: You've got the family retreats, the getaways, an international family retreat,
• 20:27
  Lisa Nichols: an internship program,
• 20:30
  Lisa Nichols: the Johnny's House programs that are all over the world.
• 20:33
  Lisa Nichols: Tell us more tell us a little bit about that, Johnny.
• 20:37
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Well,
• 20:38
  Joni Eareckson Tada: giving wheelchairs is great.
• 20:41
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And, of course, holding retreats,
• 20:43
  Joni Eareckson Tada: for special needs families in Peru or Thailand or El
• 20:47
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Salvador or Eastern Europe,
• 20:53
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Cuba, Africa, Uganda.
• 20:56
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It's great to hold family retreats.
• 20:58
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I mean, these people live in such dire conditions that they need more
• 21:02
  Joni Eareckson Tada: than a wheelchair.
• 21:04
  Joni Eareckson Tada: They need much more than a week of rest and respite.
• 21:08
  Joni Eareckson Tada: They need medical supplies.
• 21:10
  Joni Eareckson Tada: They need to be scholarship for a surgery.
• 21:13
  Joni Eareckson Tada: They need hygiene kits.
• 21:15
  Joni Eareckson Tada: They need diaper pads for their, incontinent child with
• 21:20
  Joni Eareckson Tada: cerebral palsy.
• 21:22
  Joni Eareckson Tada: They need so much more.
• 21:24
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so we have sixteen Johnny's houses, located
• 21:28
  Joni Eareckson Tada: around the world in places like Nepal and Uganda
• 21:33
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and Serbia,
• 21:35
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Brazil, and more.
• 21:37
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And these are places that are usually located near a hospital.
• 21:41
  Joni Eareckson Tada: We scholarship children with disabilities to have surgeries.
• 21:46
  Joni Eareckson Tada: We provide food for the family.
• 21:48
  Joni Eareckson Tada: We provide the necessary medical supplies such as chucks and
• 21:52
  Joni Eareckson Tada: diapers and urinary care products and things of that sort.
• 21:57
  Joni Eareckson Tada: We do bible studies and bible counseling for,
• 22:02
  Joni Eareckson Tada: husbands and wives who are having a tough time.
• 22:04
  Joni Eareckson Tada: We also do micro enterprise so that young people with disabilities
• 22:09
  Joni Eareckson Tada: can learn a trade.
• 22:11
  Joni Eareckson Tada: In fact, in our, Johnny's house in El Salvador, there are young adults with
• 22:16
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Down syndrome who pack up our coffee bags and and,
• 22:20
  Joni Eareckson Tada: are part of shipping them out.
• 22:21
  Joni Eareckson Tada: So we really try to address the holistic, needs
• 22:26
  Joni Eareckson Tada: of those with disabilities.
• 22:28
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And this it's the legacy program at Joni and Friends.
• 22:32
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It's got my name on it, and I can't
• 22:36
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I can't believe I I I am so privileged, so
• 22:40
  Joni Eareckson Tada: honored, so grateful.
• 22:42
  Joni Eareckson Tada: What did I do to ever deserve something like that?
• 22:45
  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know, to help the least of the brethren, the most unfortunate
• 22:49
  Joni Eareckson Tada: is just to me, it's wonderful.
• 22:51
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 22:52
  Lisa Nichols: It is wonderful.
• 22:53
  Lisa Nichols: And I'm just,
• 22:55
  Lisa Nichols: oh, I'm teary eyed just listening to you.
• 22:58
  Lisa Nichols: But, again, but God.
• 23:00
  Joni Eareckson Tada: But God.
• 23:01
  Lisa Nichols: But God.
• 23:02
  Lisa Nichols: Right, Johnny?
• 23:04
  Lisa Nichols: He has
• 23:06
  Lisa Nichols: plans that are more than we can hope or imagine.
• 23:09
  Lisa Nichols: So,
• 23:10
  Lisa Nichols: I am I'm just grateful to you.
• 23:12
  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you just this, and then I wanna get into your
• 23:16
  Lisa Nichols: I just want you to talk a little bit about your latest book.
• 23:19
  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, you've been at the helm of Johnny and Friends
• 23:23
  Lisa Nichols: for a long time now.
• 23:25
  Lisa Nichols: You know, what are some of those key leadership lessons that you've learned
• 23:30
  Lisa Nichols: leading this organization?
• 23:32
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Well, I have, served as the CEO of Joni
• 23:36
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and Friends for well over four and a half decades.
• 23:39
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And in that time, I have had to forget everything.
• 23:44
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Everything about personal power leading to effective
• 23:48
  Joni Eareckson Tada: leadership.
• 23:50
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Because confidence and charisma and chutzpah, it
• 23:54
  Joni Eareckson Tada: counts for little in the long haul.
• 23:55
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It really does.
• 23:57
  Joni Eareckson Tada: The most effective leaders, they don't rise to power in spite
• 24:01
  Joni Eareckson Tada: of their weaknesses.
• 24:02
  Joni Eareckson Tada: They lead with power through their weaknesses because
• 24:06
  Joni Eareckson Tada: they have yielded, as you put it, they have surrendered themselves wholly
• 24:11
  Joni Eareckson Tada: to God.
• 24:11
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I think the better that a leader tells his story
• 24:15
  Joni Eareckson Tada: of grace in his life, the better a leader is transparent
• 24:20
  Joni Eareckson Tada: with his executive team and with his staff,
• 24:25
  Joni Eareckson Tada: the more he invites others to consider their own stories of redemption
• 24:29
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and the more he endears himself to those he is leading.
• 24:34
  Joni Eareckson Tada: So I think those are the two biggest lessons And of course,
• 24:38
  Joni Eareckson Tada: how, God loves to leverage weakness and minimize
• 24:42
  Joni Eareckson Tada: power to get his work done so that when the work is
• 24:46
  Joni Eareckson Tada: accomplished, he gets the glory.
• 24:49
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Yes.
• 24:49
  Joni Eareckson Tada: He gets the glory.
• 24:50
  Joni Eareckson Tada: You said that earlier and I love it.
• 24:52
  Lisa Nichols: Uh-huh.
• 24:52
  Lisa Nichols: It's so true.
• 24:53
  Lisa Nichols: Well, that is just beautiful.
• 24:55
  Lisa Nichols: Well, tell me a little bit about I mean, again, I really want
• 24:59
  Lisa Nichols: our listeners
• 25:01
  Lisa Nichols: go out and buy Johnny's books.
• 25:04
  Lisa Nichols: Buy her books.
• 25:05
  Lisa Nichols: And I know the books are helping fund all these other things
• 25:09
  Lisa Nichols: like Johnny's house and things like that.
• 25:11
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 25:12
  Lisa Nichols: Every time somebody buys one of your books, Johnny, that
• 25:16
  Lisa Nichols: that is important.
• 25:17
  Lisa Nichols: But, yeah, go out and get her books.
• 25:20
  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, your latest book is the practice of the presence
• 25:24
  Lisa Nichols: of Jesus.
• 25:25
  Lisa Nichols: And I, you may do the same thing, but every year, I
• 25:29
  Lisa Nichols: kind of choose a mantra for myself.
• 25:32
  Lisa Nichols: So, like, in twenty twenty one, it was love more because I said, wow,
• 25:36
  Lisa Nichols: if God says love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and
• 25:39
  Lisa Nichols: soul, and love your neighbor as yourself and to grace's commandments, I better learn
• 25:43
  Lisa Nichols: how to do this better.
• 25:44
  Lisa Nichols: So, you know, my mantra is love more.
• 25:46
  Lisa Nichols: But this year, I've got two different mantras, and one of my
• 25:50
  Lisa Nichols: mantras is practice
• 25:53
  Lisa Nichols: presence, praise, and prayer.
• 25:55
  Lisa Nichols: And I love and I love that you have practice
• 25:59
  Lisa Nichols: in your title Yeah.
• 26:01
  Lisa Nichols: Because it is something we practice.
• 26:03
  Lisa Nichols: Right, Johnny?
• 26:04
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It is.
• 26:05
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so many people look at me in this wheelchair, and certainly,
• 26:09
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I have my discouraging moments.
• 26:11
  Joni Eareckson Tada: But for the most part, I'm smiling.
• 26:14
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I'm singing my way through suffering.
• 26:16
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I deal with chronic pain, I battled cancer twice,
• 26:20
  Joni Eareckson Tada: my lungs are in very poor condition, yet I'm sitting up after fifty
• 26:25
  Joni Eareckson Tada: eight years and I'm happy, I'm content in the Lord God.
• 26:29
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And people have asked me, how do you get there?
• 26:32
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so this little book is called The Practice of the Presence of Jesus,
• 26:37
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and if there were any book beside the Jonny book, which was
• 26:41
  Joni Eareckson Tada: my original, autobiography.
• 26:44
  Joni Eareckson Tada: If there was any book I would ask your listeners to, get, it would
• 26:47
  Joni Eareckson Tada: be this particular book, Practicing the Presence of Jesus.
• 26:52
  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know, I wake up and I'm discouraged because
• 26:56
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I'm in pain and I know it's gonna be a long day and
• 27:00
  Joni Eareckson Tada: we have to go through a two hour routine of bed bath and toileting
• 27:04
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and getting me dressed in bed, sitting me in the wheelchair, brushing my teeth,
• 27:09
  Joni Eareckson Tada: blowing my nose, brushing my hair.
• 27:11
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I'm just overwhelmed before I get started.
• 27:14
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so I say, Jesus, I need you because I can't
• 27:18
  Joni Eareckson Tada: do this.
• 27:19
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Give me a promise to hang on today.
• 27:22
  Joni Eareckson Tada: What is the promise you want me to have?
• 27:25
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And it might be, two Corinthians chapter four verse eight.
• 27:30
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Though we are hard pressed on all sides, we will not
• 27:34
  Joni Eareckson Tada: be crushed.
• 27:36
  Joni Eareckson Tada: It's a great promise to hang on to.
• 27:38
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so all day long, I I practice the presence of Christ
• 27:42
  Joni Eareckson Tada: by rehearsing one of his promises that keeps me going through
• 27:46
  Joni Eareckson Tada: the day.
• 27:47
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And of course, I've got to memorize promises so that I have one for
• 27:51
  Joni Eareckson Tada: the next, you know, week or two weeks or three weeks.
• 27:54
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And I do that, in the afternoon when I have to be
• 27:58
  Joni Eareckson Tada: on my chest percussion therapy machine, which rattles
• 28:03
  Joni Eareckson Tada: me like a jackhammer.
• 28:04
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And it's very noisy, and I have to nebulize with this hissing
• 28:08
  Joni Eareckson Tada: nebulizer at the same time.
• 28:11
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I was discouraged about having to do that at first after my pulmonary
• 28:15
  Joni Eareckson Tada: hypertension, but then I thought this is a perfect time to memorize.
• 28:19
  Joni Eareckson Tada: So Ken opens my three ring binder of verses and,
• 28:23
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Bible verses that I'm memorizing, and I do just that.
• 28:26
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I memorize,
• 28:29
  Joni Eareckson Tada: these promises.
• 28:30
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And so that that's just one way of practicing Christ's
• 28:34
  Joni Eareckson Tada: presence.
• 28:35
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And this book will explain a lot of other ways as well.
• 28:38
  Lisa Nichols: Oh, that's so good.
• 28:40
  Lisa Nichols: Well, yes.
• 28:40
  Lisa Nichols: I would highly, highly, highly encourage our, listeners
• 28:44
  Lisa Nichols: to go get the book.
• 28:45
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Johnny, this is called something extra.
• 28:49
  Joni Eareckson Tada: What do you believe what
• 28:50
  Lisa Nichols: do you believe is a something extra that every leader needs?
• 28:54
  Lisa Nichols: What do you believe is your something extra?
• 28:57
  Lisa Nichols: Jesus.
• 28:59
  Lisa Nichols: I'm just
• 28:59
  Joni Eareckson Tada: outright.
• 29:01
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Something extra of this is going to be antithetical of
• 29:05
  Joni Eareckson Tada: what perhaps every leader on this, on this podcast
• 29:09
  Joni Eareckson Tada: is listening to.
• 29:10
  Joni Eareckson Tada: But I want people to remember that the leaders in the Bible, the
• 29:14
  Joni Eareckson Tada: great leaders like Moses, like the Apostle Paul,
• 29:18
  Joni Eareckson Tada: like Jesus himself, like, oh, I don't know,
• 29:23
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Daniel and David, King David, and Job.
• 29:27
  Joni Eareckson Tada: The leaders in the Bible that God chose,
• 29:30
  Joni Eareckson Tada: these people whose reputations and stories have lasted for
• 29:34
  Joni Eareckson Tada: thousands of years, all of them were more broken than strong.
• 29:39
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Now God chooses leaders who are often more damaged than whole
• 29:44
  Joni Eareckson Tada: and more troubled than secure.
• 29:47
  Joni Eareckson Tada: So these are qualities not to be embarrassed about, but these are qualities
• 29:51
  Joni Eareckson Tada: to take to God and say, here, I've got a big weakness.
• 29:55
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I don't know how to deal with this and yet be effective in the
• 29:57
  Joni Eareckson Tada: workplace.
• 29:59
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Show me, teach me, guide me.
• 30:00
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I want to practice your presence with the staff today.
• 30:04
  Joni Eareckson Tada: You know, what do I do?
• 30:05
  Joni Eareckson Tada: What do I not do and say?
• 30:07
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I mean, there,
• 30:10
  Joni Eareckson Tada: God is on your side.
• 30:11
  Joni Eareckson Tada: He is for you and not against you.
• 30:13
  Joni Eareckson Tada: And he will help you to be the best executive that you can
• 30:18
  Joni Eareckson Tada: possibly be if we would but bring our weaknesses to him.
• 30:22
  Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful.
• 30:24
  Lisa Nichols: That is so beautiful, Johnny.
• 30:25
  Lisa Nichols: Well, I cannot thank you enough for this time.
• 30:29
  Lisa Nichols: It has been just precious.
• 30:31
  Lisa Nichols: So thank you.
• 30:32
  Lisa Nichols: Thank you.
• 30:32
  Lisa Nichols: Thank you.
• 30:33
  Lisa Nichols: I cannot wait for our listeners to learn from you and to dig deeper
• 30:37
  Lisa Nichols: to dig deeper.
• 30:38
  Lisa Nichols: I'm just thanking you for who you are.
• 30:40
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Oh, thank you.
• 30:41
  Joni Eareckson Tada: I'm so honored to be on the podcast, and, I just want to encourage
• 30:45
  Joni Eareckson Tada: everybody who's listening that, that we are making you are
• 30:49
  Joni Eareckson Tada: making an impact in this world.
• 30:51
  Joni Eareckson Tada: You are making an impact among your staff and in your network, your sphere
• 30:54
  Joni Eareckson Tada: of influence, and so don't waste it.
• 30:57
  Joni Eareckson Tada: Don't squander it.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Don't waste it.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: It's big.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: It's it's a wonderful opportunity, so make certain that you are a people
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: investor.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: A people investor.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, thank you so much, and I cannot wait.
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  Lisa Nichols: I want to come and visit you.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Good.
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Whenever you're in LA, we'll set up lunch, and you can tour the International
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  Joni Eareckson Tada: Disability Center here and we'll do it.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Maybe we'll all bring Allie with me, which would be really fun.
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