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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Kouri Richins · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette Presents
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  Speaker 1: This is Till Death Do Us Part, where we talk
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  Speaker 1: about husbands who off their wives and wives who take
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  Speaker 1: out their husbands. I'm Emily Simpson, I'll be your host
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  Speaker 1: today and my.
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  Speaker 2: Co host Shane.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, before we start, we were just having a conversation
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  Speaker 1: before we started recording, so I feel like maybe we
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  Speaker 1: should just continue it. Well, just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: things that have been in the news lately is the
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  Speaker 1: corn hole player. And we were just talking about that
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  Speaker 1: and I was saying to you, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: corn hole is, and you said, it's a sport. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's not what you said.
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  Speaker 2: It's a sport. You have a bean bag and you
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  Speaker 2: toss it in a across the way and you try
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  Speaker 2: to get it in the hole. There's different points.
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  Speaker 1: How is that a sport? I thought this was just
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  Speaker 1: something that when I showed up at a.
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  Speaker 2: Barbecue when they're cheering.
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  Speaker 1: Really it is because it's it's so athletic and it's
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  Speaker 1: so skilled.
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  Speaker 2: That is cornhole.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's just something you do in your
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  Speaker 1: back hard during a barbecue.
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  Speaker 2: There's darts. Is that a sport?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it makes no sense to me that cheer is
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  Speaker 1: not considered a sport that would be in the Olympics,
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  Speaker 1: but corn like cornhole Olympics. I don't know. I'm asking you. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, you don't think so anyway, all right,
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  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to touch there's the the the
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  Speaker 1: news story of the guy who is a quadruple amputee,
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  Speaker 1: but he's also a cornhole like a champion, and he's
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  Speaker 1: in the news for murder. So anyway, we were just
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  Speaker 1: discussing that, but we're going to talk about that later
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  Speaker 1: in another episode. But I just want to bring it
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  Speaker 1: up because it's on current events and I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what cornhole was.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so do.
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  Speaker 1: You have That's it? You just throw bean bags into
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  Speaker 1: a hole. Yes, and that's and he's a champion. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing bean bags didn't have beans in them originally.
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  Speaker 2: They probably had colonels or something.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, and that's why it's called I'm discussing. All right. Well, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let's move on to what we were going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about today, which is we're going to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Corey Richands trial. Now, we did an episode on Corey
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  Speaker 1: Richards a few months back, So if you have not
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  Speaker 1: listened to it, you can find that episode where we
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  Speaker 1: go more in depth into the murdered. But I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do an update on the tepies. This is the
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  Speaker 1: case that took place in Columbus, Ohio. It was the
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  Speaker 1: husband and wife that were murdered in their home by
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  Speaker 1: allegedly the ex husband of the wife. Remember he's like
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  Speaker 1: the medical doctor.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and he hadn't hit you know, he was far
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  Speaker 2: removed from her for a long time. They didn't have
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  Speaker 2: kids together, they weren't tied together in any way. It
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  Speaker 2: was almost randomly like he showed up four years later
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  Speaker 2: or something, right, eight years later.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So there have been some updates.
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  Speaker 2: Saying it's a murder in Ohio doesn't narrow it down
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  Speaker 2: very much.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know we've talked about this before because
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Forensic File, and if you
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  Speaker 1: ever watch Forensic Files episodes, now that I'm saying this
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  Speaker 1: to you, if you watch Forensic there's actually Forensic Files
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  Speaker 1: one and two, but if you watch them, for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: the majority of the cases take place in Ohio. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: this is another case in Ohio. So this is Spencer
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  Speaker 1: and Monique Tepi. So according to the coroner's findings, So
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  Speaker 1: this is what the new update is, is that the
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner's report has just come out recently and it
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  Speaker 1: has been made public. So originally I believe the report
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  Speaker 1: was that he was shot once and she was shot once,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure why that information came out because
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  Speaker 1: it's not accurate. Now that the medical examiner's report has
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  Speaker 1: come out, So according to the coroner's findings, thirty nine
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  Speaker 1: year old Monique suffered a gunshot wound to the right
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  Speaker 1: cheek and a total of nine gunshot injuries. So it's
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  Speaker 1: much more severe than they were initially reporting. Okay, several
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  Speaker 1: of those wounds were to her torso, including three to
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  Speaker 1: the chest. The report also noted a greenish bruise on
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  Speaker 1: her left calf, and her cause of death was attributed
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  Speaker 1: to multiple gunshot wounds affecting the head, torso, and limbs,
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  Speaker 1: resulting in extensive internal and structural damage.
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  Speaker 2: But do we need to know all that information? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: as a lay person, it's like she was shot and killed.
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  Speaker 2: Do we need to know medically? Like how Yes, we
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  Speaker 2: need to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because now we have more information about this case.
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  Speaker 1: Than I'm telling you. Initially it was reported that they
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  Speaker 1: were shot once.
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  Speaker 2: But how does it help with this criminal case?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't help, but does well. First of all, it
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  Speaker 1: just gives us more things to talk about. She was
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  Speaker 1: shot nine times. To me, that is a big difference
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  Speaker 1: between being shot once and being shot nine times. Nine
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  Speaker 1: times is an overkill, nine times is rage? Nine times
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  Speaker 1: is revenge or hate or like there's something more than
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  Speaker 1: I just want these people dead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I figure if you kill it would probably be
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  Speaker 2: more than nineteen It would be.
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  Speaker 1: Way more than nine times. The report further stated that Spencer,
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  Speaker 1: this is her husband, was shot seven times, hitting the torso,
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  Speaker 1: the chest, his extremities, and a fatal.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he had a reload too, Yeah, in order
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  Speaker 2: to I don't know what kind of gunny. But if
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  Speaker 2: he had a reload, like he was like, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not done with you, and he adds more bullets and
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  Speaker 2: they shoot some more, I'm just yeah, let's say it
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  Speaker 2: was a six shooter. I have no idea. Let's say
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  Speaker 2: it was a six shooter. He shot her six times, reloaded,
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  Speaker 2: shot her three times, shot him three times, reloaded, then
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  Speaker 2: shot another four times.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And that's the discussion. That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: This is more than just someone that's snuck into their
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  Speaker 1: house and wanted them dead. This is someone that had,
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  Speaker 1: like to me, this is a rage killing. And to
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  Speaker 1: be able to shoot someone in the head and then
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  Speaker 1: and then you're shooting the extremities And is that because
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to get away and he shoots them in
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  Speaker 1: the leg and the arms and I don't know anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it comes down to motive, because, like we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, this ex husband was very far
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  Speaker 1: removed from their life, at least that's the way it looked,
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  Speaker 1: right right. You traveled a long way to get there.
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  Speaker 2: They were married like a short period.
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  Speaker 1: Very short period, and they went their separate ways. And
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  Speaker 1: I think she even walked away and gave him the
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  Speaker 1: house if I remember. That's what we talked about earlier.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't even like there was contention as far as
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  Speaker 1: her taking all the assets or anything. I think she
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  Speaker 1: was just like, you can have it, I'm gonna leave.
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  Speaker 1: So where this rate, you have.
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  Speaker 2: The gun too, I'm out here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The Columbus, Ohio home where Spencer and Monique Teppe
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  Speaker 1: were murdered is listed for sale on Zillo. I do
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  Speaker 1: love Zilo. Do you look at Zillo very often?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about this the other day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people say, oh, I googled that person or something. I
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  Speaker 1: don't google. I like to Zillo people, like if I
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  Speaker 1: have someone's address, if I'm guilty of this, I will
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  Speaker 1: just admit it. If I get invited to a party,
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  Speaker 1: or I get an invite for a party and it
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  Speaker 1: has an address on it, like, I like to zillow it.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see what people paid for their house,
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  Speaker 1: what it looks like, the inside looks like, if they rent,
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  Speaker 1: if they own. I'm a Zillo person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not because you judge people. You're just curious.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I just want to know.
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  Speaker 2: No judgments here.
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  Speaker 1: No, So the house is for sale. It's on Zillo.
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  Speaker 1: The property is a four bedroom, four bathroom house with
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  Speaker 1: over twenty five matter.
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  Speaker 2: Were they murdered in the house?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Thought it was in a car.
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  Speaker 1: What, No, it was not in a car. It was
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  Speaker 1: in the house in the middle of the night. He's
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  Speaker 1: snuck in the There's.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of crimes going on, and they overlap. I
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  Speaker 2: mix them up.
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  Speaker 1: There were children in the home, and I believe it.
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  Speaker 2: The house where there was such a tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it says the asking price is
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy five thousand, and that Zillo listing
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  Speaker 1: has been viewed by over sixty thousand people in less
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  Speaker 1: than twenty days.
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  Speaker 2: So many of those was you, I hate.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of it was me. Actually, I thought it like,
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  Speaker 1: at some point we need a legally brunette like podcast
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  Speaker 1: on the road where we traveled to all of these
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  Speaker 1: act if you want to reenact, I don't want to reenact.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to travel to all of these places.
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  Speaker 1: We could start in Ohio. We could make our way
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  Speaker 1: to Utah. There's a lot going on in Utah. Then
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  Speaker 1: we could just, you know, make our way over to Idaho.
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  Speaker 2: We're not interested.
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  Speaker 1: You're not interested? All right? Well, if anyone else is
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  Speaker 2: It.
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  Speaker 1: We could go visit all of the homes. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's great Zillow dot Com. Do you hear me? All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's move on to the Corey Richins trial. This is
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  Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about today. Like I said before,
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  Speaker 1: we did an episode on Corey Richards. This is before
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  Speaker 1: she went to trial. So if you would like to
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  Speaker 1: listen to that episode, you can find it under legally
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  Speaker 1: Brunette Unlet's just do a brief synopsis so everybody can
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  Speaker 1: kind of catch up where we are before she goes
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  Speaker 1: to trial. So Corey Richin is a Utah mother of
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  Speaker 1: three whose husband named Eric Richards was found dead in
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  Speaker 1: their home in March of twenty twenty two. At first,
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  Speaker 1: his death appeared sudden and unexplained. You know, they do
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  Speaker 1: say I saw some video of the medical or whoever
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  Speaker 1: when they when she called nine one one, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the first the first responders, thank you come. And I
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  Speaker 1: saw an interview with one of them that evening, and
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  Speaker 1: they were thinking initially that it was a brain aneurysm
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  Speaker 1: because he's young, he's in his thirties, he doesn't have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no signs of felt looking at him, right.
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  Speaker 1: He died in his sleep. He'd been dead a while
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  Speaker 1: when they arrived. And also they said there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of blood, So I don't like I believe so
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  Speaker 1: because there were no wounds he didn't die from. So
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  Speaker 1: I guess maybe like does blood come out the nose
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  Speaker 1: or mouth or something. So they initially thought it was
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  Speaker 1: a brain aneurysm. Yeah, his cornhole, that's where the blood
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  Speaker 1: was coming from.
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  Speaker 2: So now she's at this point, she's thinking, so far,
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  Speaker 2: so good. They think it's a brain.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, perfect, let's go with that's a good book.
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  Speaker 2: Publisher going, it's a go, it's a it's gonna work. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So at first his death appeared sudden and unexplained, but
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  Speaker 1: a later investigation determined that he had very high levels
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  Speaker 1: of fentanyl. He had five times the normal limit, which
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  Speaker 1: I don't do people normally have fentanyl in their system.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a normal I think it means lethal.
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  Speaker 2: Like he had five times the amount that he needed die.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so five times so the body can withstand a
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  Speaker 1: certain amount, and I think generally, but he had five
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  Speaker 1: times that amount in his system. In the months have followed,
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  Speaker 1: Corey publicly presented herself as a grieving widow and even
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  Speaker 1: wrote a children's book about coping with the loss of
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  Speaker 1: a parent.
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  Speaker 2: However, as the name of the book, do we know
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  Speaker 2: the name of it?
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  Speaker 1: Called like are you there or something? It's a children's book, and.
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  Speaker 2: She did, my mommy kill you?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what it's called?
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  Speaker 2: It's yes, that's a sequel.
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  Speaker 1: That's part two. Also, not only did she write the book,
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  Speaker 1: but then she had the audacity to reach out to
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  Speaker 1: news stations in the Utube.
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  Speaker 2: Area morning shows, yes, and reach out.
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  Speaker 1: She sent emails and asked if she could come on
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  Speaker 1: and discuss her book because she believed that she was
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  Speaker 1: the only person that had authored a book specifically for children.
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  Speaker 2: Dealing so quickly after she murdered her husband.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so in the months.
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  Speaker 2: In defense of those morning shows. Yeah, I mean they
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  Speaker 2: probably hear this story and think, oh, yeah, come on,
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  Speaker 2: this is a touching moment. You wrote a book, your
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  Speaker 2: husband passed away like this, this is.
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  Speaker 1: She's the golden right, she's the grieving widow.
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  Speaker 2: And then when she goes on set or when they
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  Speaker 2: reach out to her, you know, they were very comforting
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  Speaker 2: to her, sympathetic, so she was getting all kinds of love.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I actually watched there is a twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: special that has to do with the Coreys trial, and
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  Speaker 1: they actually interview the two newscasters that interviewed her originally,
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  Speaker 1: and they were asking them, they were giving their thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: and they were saying how sympathetic they were to her
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  Speaker 1: initially and how she just came off like a grieving
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  Speaker 1: widow and they felt badly for her, and there were
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  Speaker 1: three young boys that were affected by this, and then
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  Speaker 1: to learn then after that they received an email that
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  Speaker 1: said she killed her husband, like in all caps from
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  Speaker 1: like an anous an anonymous email after she went on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the publishing company, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it was self published.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't have a publishing company.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, However, as authorities dug deeper into Corey Richands,
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  Speaker 1: they uncovered a complex web of financial issues, insurance policies,
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  Speaker 1: and alleged suspicious behavior leading up to Eric's death. So
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  Speaker 1: let's just talk about Let's go through a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a timeline before we get to the trials. So
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  Speaker 1: before the murder, this is Joe fifteenth to twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: This is the day of Eric and Corey's wedding. Corey
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  Speaker 1: is asked by her mother in law to sign a
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  Speaker 1: prenup right before walking down the aisle. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? I like how they waited,
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  Speaker 1: they knew they waited, they knew to wait right before
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  Speaker 1: she walked down the aisle.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about In California, you have to have
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  Speaker 2: a certain cooling off period. You can't just do it
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  Speaker 2: like on the day up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you also have to have your own independent counsel
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  Speaker 1: and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: You can't waive council.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have counsel, right, I clearly this is Utah.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like you it's this isn't California. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about Utah. So I think you can hand someone
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  Speaker 1: a prenup as they walk down the aisle and say
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  Speaker 1: sign this or or he's not marrying you. The agreement
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  Speaker 1: specified that certain assets would remain Eric's property in the
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  Speaker 1: event of a divorce. However, this is the important part,
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  Speaker 1: and this is what you have to you have to
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  Speaker 1: hold on to in order to understand a lot of things. However,
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  Speaker 1: it also included a provision stating that if Eric were
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  Speaker 1: to die while they were still legally married, Corey could
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  Speaker 1: inherit some of those assets. So a lot of according
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  Speaker 1: to this prenup, a lot of because he came from
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  Speaker 1: a wealthy ranching family. I don't know if you knew that.
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  Speaker 1: Guys they like properties or ranch cattle, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: uh probably equipment, a lot of land. So he came
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  Speaker 1: from a pretty wealthy ranching family. Corey did not. Corey
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  Speaker 1: came from more humble beginnings, so this prenup limits her
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  Speaker 1: access to his separate property. However, the only way she
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  Speaker 1: can inherit some of his separate property is if he
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  Speaker 1: dies before her while they are still married. According to
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  Speaker 1: the agreement, those assets included Eric's fifty percent steak in
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  Speaker 1: see any stonemasonry that's his business, along with various pieces
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  Speaker 1: of equipment and properties such as a forklift, skid steer, scaffolding, saws,
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  Speaker 1: two trucks, and a dump trailer. They're very specific in
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  Speaker 1: this Eric owned a pretty well well, he made a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money, can be pretty good as a stone
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  Speaker 1: masonry person, so he did well. I would assume that
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  Speaker 1: has a lot to do with building homes and then
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  Speaker 1: those retaining walls. You know, all the a lot of
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  Speaker 1: homes in Utahs have so many retaining walls around their home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if your like hillsides and stuff, right then,
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  Speaker 2: and also just general walls too, you know, like if
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  Speaker 2: they want stone in the front of the house and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: so it doesn't always have to be.
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  Speaker 1: The retaining a huge wall, right So then in March
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  Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, according to a petition filed by Eric's sister.
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  Speaker 1: This is Katie Richards Benson. Corey opened a bank account
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  Speaker 1: without Eric's knowledge or permission. Corey allegedly stole or misused
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  Speaker 1: approximately four hundred and ninety four thousand dollars of Eric's money,
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  Speaker 1: according to this petition. Then, in April of twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: Corey Richards started her own real estate business called Kay
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  Speaker 1: Richands Realty LLC. Her business focus on buying, renovating, and
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  Speaker 1: flipping homes for profit. Later on, we learned that Corey's
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: business was drowning in millions of dollars of debt. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's interesting that they they were a young couple
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  Speaker 1: and had three boys together. But I but I feel
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  Speaker 1: that they each had their own business, but they kept
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  Speaker 1: it very separate.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like she's trying to make something of herself,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: like she's trying to buy some type of you know, yeah,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: her own kind of name or business or make her
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: stake somehow, but she didn't really have the talent to
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: do it well.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: You know. I in this twenty twenty special I watched
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and they interview a lot of people that were involved
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: in her life. They did state that she came from
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: humble beginning. She was not wealthy and she didn't grow
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: up wealthy, but Eric did, and they said she was
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: very driven. And so I think this real estate company
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: that she started was exactly what you said. It was
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: her way to try to establish herself.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: So I was just trying to jump ahead and get
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: to the top right away, as opposed to starting small
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: or something. So I don't know, sounds like like a
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: like a Megan Markle. She's always do you do you follow?
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Do you follow Megan Markle?
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I follow her stories. She's always trying to be somebody
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and trying to buy her her kind of fame. And
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: that's what this lady reminds me of. She's trying to
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: buy like a big business real estate mogul or whatever it's.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Called, mogul, mogul mogul. So you this is new. You
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: follow Megan Markle?
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I hate follow? You hate follow her online? I follow
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: the stories. Will you have as Ever? Jam?
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: You don't know that this is she sas right now?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and their business is called as Ever? And
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: then Netflix like dumped her. Have you ever seen her
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: reality shows?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: No?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's another thing. We should recap them.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: You want to recap Megan, it's pretty good.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: It's pretty good.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I love that you hate follow her.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: It got canceled.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: All right. Around October of twenty twenty, Eric is said
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: to have met with a divorce attorney and.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: She sells candles. Oh my gosh, she sells candles, and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have complained that they don't have wixom.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I'm serious, that's like a common complaint.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Why would someone of her notoriety out there selling candles
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and shade she's done with? Yeah, do you think she's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: like the Do you think that's the reason he left
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the monarchy or the it was her? Yeah, she's just
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the Absolutely, she's the Yoko. Oh no. Right back to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Corey Richards. Eric is said to have met with a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: divorce attorney and an estate planning lawyer, and around that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: time he updated his will and created the Eric Richards
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Living Trust, naming his sister Katie to oversee the estate
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: for the benefit of his three children. He also moved
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: his share of the business into the trust and changed
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the beneficiary beneficiary of his five hundred thousand dollars life
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: insurance policy from Corey to the trust. But he did
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: all this without Corey knowing, so.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: You know, and this is when I in anticipation of
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: her killing him.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: That's my question, because there is a point in time
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: where he does say I think my wife's trying to
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: kill me.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, I think my wife's trying to kill me.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Let me move my funds over here, right, It's like, no,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: why don't you wear like a bullpro vests and not
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: have her make you drinks?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So this isn't twenty twenty. And I don't know if
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: it's at this time if he's fearing for his life
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: or he just doesn't trust her financially and he knows
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that she's misappropriating money and trying to access his money,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and so he puts all of his assets in a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: trust and then he cuts her out. She's not named
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: as the when she's a divorce her at that time.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: You know that is the million dollars.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: One thing. If you're like, you know what, I'm trying
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to control, the fantas is like, like, it's just a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: financial thing. I'm trying to It's another thing. If it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: like she's trying to kill me and she's taking all
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: this money and all this stuff, it's like, well, then
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: what's left to hold on to.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Then we get to January of twenty
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: twenty two. Corey is accused of changing the beneficiary on
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Mark's two million dollar life insurance policy to herself without permission.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: The change was discovered by the insurance company and the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: designation was switched back to the original beneficiary, which was
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Eric's business partner. I guess she was forging his name.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: She's trying to sign herself off as a beneficiary.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Found guilty of forgery.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I believe yes. Then we get to February of twenty
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: twenty two, Corey Richins allegedly obtains fittanyl for the first time.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: She obtained the drugs from her occasional housekeeper, Carmen Labber,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and Carmen Lauber is really like I would say, the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: star witness and the trial because she testifies against her.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Corey initially asked her to obtain prescription pain pills, allegedly
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: for an investor with a back injury. However, Labber testified
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that in early of February twenty twenty two, Richins requested
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: quote something stronger and asked for some of them.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Michael Jackson lady and said I need a pain A
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: pain killer for an investor of mine.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why wouldn't that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Person is go get there her own obviously, I mean,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: we know why she wanted it, but is this person
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: really fallen for it?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Well, this person has a long history of criminal activity.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is Karmen. Why she even may give her
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: an She should have been like, I want him because
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I want them.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess she's trying to throw her off the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: trail that has anything to do with, you know, her husband.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So she makes up some story about how it has
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to do with some other guy that has back pain
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, but Carmen Lauber is she's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: had a long history of being arrested for drugs, selling, distributing,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: being involved in drugs, and so Corey asked her to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: get fentanyl for her, and then she asks her Then
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: she comes back to her and tells her that she
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: needs something stronger, and she quote says some of the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson stuff. So I guess that's how she describes it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Carmen Lauber ends up giving Corey fifteen to twenty fentanyl pills,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: which Corey allegedly paid nine hundred dollars for. Now we
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: get to February fourteenth of twenty twenty two. This we
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: believe is the first time that Corey tried to take
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: out or her husband. Do you remember we talked about
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: this in the earlier episode we did where it was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day and she makes him a sand Well, she
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: didn't make the sandwich. She actually bought the sandwich and
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: she went and picked it up. It was a bagel.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: It was a bagel sandwich. And we believe that's the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: first time that she tried to kill him with fentanyl.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: She put it in the bagel.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean. The thing is, there's no
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: smoking gun, there's no video of her putting it in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the bagel, there's no video of her putting it in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the Moscow mule. I mean, that's the that's the missing piece, right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But obviously he believed that she was trying to kill him,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and this was on the first time, was on February fourteenth,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: because she bought him a bagel sandwich for Valentine's Day.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I think she even left him mind. Why if he
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: why is he letting her give her give him food?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Well, why is he still living with her? Why is
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: he still married to.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Because didn't he tell his sister or didn't he who
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: did he? He told someone that, like I think she's
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: trying to kill me, right, well, I believe some friends,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: So imagine like okay, so he's texting or calling and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: he's like, hey, my wife's trying to kill me. Hold on,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: she's bringing me a sandwich. I gotta go. She brought
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: me a sandwich and a drink.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Well, so he takes a bite at the sandwunch. She
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: leaves it for him on Valentine's Day. I think she
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: leaves like a little cute note like I love you,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Happy Valentine's Day.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Make sure enjoy your bagel.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Make the whole thing. Don't just take a bite anyway.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: He takes one bite of it and he immediately has
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a reaction to it, and he thinks it's like some
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: kind of allergic reaction. I guess he takes a benajol
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and he also gives himself.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That's where she went wrong. She did it too much,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: too much ventanyl. Yeah, like like when I put supplements
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: in the kids drinks, Yes, if you put too much,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: they say it tastes funny and then they don't drink
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: it at all. So they got to put the right amount,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: so they drink the whole right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So he only took one bite and he initially had
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a reaction. He gave himself the EpiPen shot in the leg.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I guess one of his sons had an EpiPen, so
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: he did that. He drank Benadoli, took a nach.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: She should have put it in the EpiPen.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she should have. She should have contacted you
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: first and consulted, and then she should have sloppy, sloppy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So that was the first time that he believes Corey
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is trying to poison him, and he texts his friends
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and says something to the effect of like she almost
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: got me or something like she's I believe she's trying
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to poison me. Now the question is why is he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: still living with this woman in the same home, using
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the same edition.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: How did she give him the poison the second time?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: The second time is in the Moscow Mule. She makes
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: a drink for see, why is he letting her handle
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: his food and drink. I don't know, that's it. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: don't know. So then we get to this is remember
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: this is Valentine's Day, February fourteenth of twenty twenty two.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Then we get to February twenty sixth of twenty twenty two,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: so we're just you know, like two weeks later, Corey
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: allegedly contacts Carmen Lauber again and asks for another nine
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of fentanyl pills.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: So which meant she used the entire amount in the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: bagel sandwich. Yes, that she needed.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: More, which was probably a huge amount. And you're right,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: so he took one bite and he had a reaction
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: immediately to it. So now we get to the actual murder,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: which takes place on March third of twenty twenty two.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Corey and Eric were home at night celebrating the closing
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of a home purchase for her real estate business. So
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I guess she allegedly or she bought a home.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is the she bought some
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of that mansion. I don't know, Yeah it is.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: It might be, But I do know that at one
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: point she did buy that huge mansion.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like right now it's currently like a seven
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: million dollar mansion or something.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Massive. The guest home on the property is three thousand
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: square feet.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Right, And you know, in regards to that mansion, her
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: boyfriend testifies in the trial, and they also show text
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: messages between her and the boyfriend talking about this mansion,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: because she tells him that her dream is to have
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that mansion turned into an event space where they can
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: rent it for like fifteen thousand dollars a day, weddings
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and you know, corporate events and all those kinds of things,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and that the two of them, she and her boyfriend
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: live happily together in the guest house, and this is
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: like their dream, right, So I don't know, I don't
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: know if that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I think I saw. I think I've seen that mansion
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: because I saw a picture of it and it looked like.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: We drove by it when I went to Utah last time,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: because it's pretty recognizable.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: It is well and there's nothing else around it. It's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: just like in the middle of.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Right, Because I remember the first time when I saw it,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, that's like huge, yeah, and there's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of big homes there, but that was huge.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: And then the second time when we went in December,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I drove by it and I saw it again. Emily
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: flew to Utah and I drove by the way and
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: then I'm not scared of flying she is, which is
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: it was a little backwards. Why should I fly because
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you don't want to drive.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I don't want to drive.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I drove because we had to take equipment and all
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the ski gear and stuff. Anyway, the point is I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: saw the mansion.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: You saw the mansion when you saw it, though you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: didn't know that it was Corey Ritchin's dream home to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: live with her boyfriend after she murdered her husband.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I thought it was you that we could run for
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars a day. Yeah, I did think that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: For for our twentieth the anniversary, when we renew our vows.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Should we rent it? Yeah, because I thought you'd be
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: on one side of the house. I'll be in this
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: house and we'll have a nice, peaceful day.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Perfect sounds amazing. She gets more drugs. She gets more
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: fentanyl from carbon than on March third, twenty twenty two,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: they're celebrating because she purchased a new home. I think
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it might be the mansion. She said she prepared him.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: This is what I don't understand. She tells investigators or detectives,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: police whoever, that she made him a Moscow mule. I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: don't understand why she gave up that information.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Because liars, when they're confronted and they're being interrogated, like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: guilty people, I mean not all, but generally guilty people
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: will tell you, we'll just talk the yap stop to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: try to make it like I'm not hiding anything. So
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: they try to make it like I'm being upfront. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: made him a drink, I did this, I did that,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a yap non stop.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just because I in my mind, I'm wondering why
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: she gave up that information because the only other person
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that would have known that she made the moscow mule
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: would have been Eric, who is now dead.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So cause, like I said, she's trying to make it
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: like I put everything on the table. I'm telling you everything.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I got nothing to hide, and they're nervous, so they're
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: just yapping.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Right, So she tells investigators she prepared her husband a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: moscow mule in the kitchen and then brought it into
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: their bedroom where he drank it while they were in bed,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: along with taking a thc edible.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Is that is that an alcoholic drink? The moscow mule?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's alcohol, according to.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Her, called the moscow mule. I don't I don't sound appealing.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: It has meant and you're supposed to It's very specific.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to like, like, what is that thing you
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like grind the men and I don't know.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: And then it has grind the fentanyl with a mint.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, then you grind the fentanyl, right. According to her account,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it was a moscow mule because it
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: has a very like minty taste. So maybe she was
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: trying to do a drink that would like cover up
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you know. Maybe that was specifically because you can't have
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: champagne and.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Then they are like apple juice or something and then.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Dump some fentanyl in it. So yeah, maybe the moscow
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: mule was like purposefully because it has it has texture,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it has meant leaves in it that it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Could it would stand five times right.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: According to her account, she then went to settle one
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of her children for the night and ended up falling
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: asleep in one of their kid's bedrooms shortly afterward. So
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: she does claim that she wasn't even sleeping in the bed,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that she went and slept in one of her son's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: rooms because he has night terrors.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: So then so the murder sleeps with the sun. Yes,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I'm scared murder. Can you come sleep with me? What
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the mom's the murderer? Yes, and the kid is scared
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that night. Yes, she should be the one he's scared of.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, he doesn't know that yet.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: You know, that's another thing I was thinking earlier. So
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: if he's worried that she's going to kill him, why
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't he think about the kids. It's not far fetched
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: for someone to murder the kids to get out of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: a relationship too, And area is not protecting the kids
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: as far as we know.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: You're really upset at this guy for not kicking.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not upset, but I'm just thinking about it,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and it's you know, yeah, why is he with her?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: he takes the time and energy to put things in
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a trust account without her knowledge and to do all
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: these things behind her back. But he just doesn't divorce
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the woman or leave the house and move out. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: don't understand that, and take.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Care of the kids.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: So then this is around three twenty two am. This
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: is on March fourth, twenty twenty two. Corey claims that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: she went back to her room and found Eric on
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: respond at the foot of their bed. Summit County Sheriff's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: deputies and EMS staff arrived at the home at three
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: point thirty one am. She does call nine one one,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and I did listen to the nine one one call.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: She tells the nine one one callers, you know that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: he's unresponsive, and they asked her to do CPR, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: they ask her if she knows how to do CPR,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and she says she knows.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: That defeats the purpose. She says, I want him dead, no.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Very weakly. And then the woman says, I'm going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: tell you how, and I'm gonna count with you. And
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just picturing her on the other end of this
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: phone line while this operator is like okay, one, two three,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: She's she's just standing there with the phone.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: She's I'm uh huh, yeah, I'm doing it. Meanwhile, she's
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: probably buying stuff online and looking at her bank account. Right.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So, I think they even said that there was no
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: evidence that she had actually tried to perform any kind
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: of CPR, which makes sense. I mean, she she wants
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the man dead. She's not going to this.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: She just want to get a third round of fetanol
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: from this lady. Right, Another nine hundred dollars they found.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: So when AMF staff arrive at the home, this is
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: around three thirty one am, they find Eric Richands deceased,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and according to court documents, the responding paramedic thought that
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he had been dead a while. Eric richands autopsy later
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: shows that there were fetanyl levels five times a lethal dose,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: which we have talked about, and that the drug was
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: ingested orally, not through any type of accidental exposure, which
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I guess means because they find it in the stomach,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: so that means he ingested it. Right. Also, and this
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: was interesting because I was watching this twenty twenty special.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was supposed to being like shot up or
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: something in the right.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It's in the stomach, so obviously he ingested it. So
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you know, then the question is, you know, what did
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: he eat? What did he drink? Because he swallowed it. Also,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I watched she calls the medical examiner when the autopsy
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: report comes out, and she's asking very specific.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Questions, challenging it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Well, she she says, I guess because on the autopsy
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: report it says something to the effect of illicit feanyl
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: or illegal fentanyl or something like that, making a distinction
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: between and I learned this. There is and I learned
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: this because I was. I was, I researched this. There
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: is feanyl that hospitals or doctors use and very very
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: very tiny doses that can be used like more. It's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: stronger than more. It's like ridiculously stronger than morphine. So
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: they do use it, a medical grade type that they
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: use in certain a street But this was a street drug,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I guess because it was had synthetic. I don't know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know much about I don't really know much
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: about street drugs.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Let's keep it that way.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, but this was clearly something that was not medical grade.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Which shows intent to kill.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, it shows that it's not like he got
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: exposed at a hospital or something. It shows that someone
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: purchased it. And she said on the phone when she's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: talking to the medical examiner, she said, well, like, well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: where would that come from? And he said drug cartels.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So I mean it was very clear that this is,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you know, was obtained illegally. So a couple of days
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: after Eric's death, Corey files acclaim against Eric's trust, contesting
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Eric's sister as his personal representative of his trustle days
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: after yes, well, actually let me tell you the day
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: after Eric died, they had a party at the house.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I was going to joke about her having a party.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: She actually had a party.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was her that initiated the party,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: but they did. The purpose of it was like a
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: celebration of life type of thing. And this is the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: day after he died, and there were a lot of
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: people at his house, and too soon his sisters, I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: believe his his family was there. This is when the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: families are.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Still even weirder. The family. So the non murders were
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: okay with at this point.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: They don't know how I know, but not questioning her yet.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Be honest. Yeah, I die, Okay, at your hands. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: just die.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: So I didn't have anything to do with that, right, okay.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Because if he has any do with that, I know
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the answer to this question.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: So I die, Okay, And then the next day or
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: however whatever this timeframe is, my mom says, let's have
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a celebration of life. Let's have a party. Huh, what
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: would you think?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't be able to have a party because
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to get out of bed because
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I would be so devastated. I know you don't believe this,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: so you're looking at me like you're in shock right now.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: But that is true. If if you if you were
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: no longer you're you're the father of my children or
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: my husband. I've been married to you for almost twenty years.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: If you died suddenly, I would not be able to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: have a party or get out of bed, so devastated.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: So now let's say it's your sister's husband. He unfortunately
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: passes away, okay, right, gets in a car wreck. So
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: it's like, clearly, you know, not foul play. And one
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: day later, your sister says, I'm gonna have a celebration
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of life. I'd like to come. We're going to party. Yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: what would you think?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I would think it was weird? Yeah, okay, and Isaiah,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I would think it was weird.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I think most people would.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Well, there was so there were a lot of friends there,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: their friends.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's family gathering. Let's get together, have dinner
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: and just be together.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: No, they were like drinking, you know, talking and telling
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: stories about Eric and all these things. Anyway, I believe
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the day after that, the following day, Corey gets in
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a physical altercation. I don't know which sister, but with
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: one of Eric's sisters, because oh, because she brings over
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: she gets she brings over a key. What's the person
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that gets in a in a safe like a like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a locksmith? A locksmith. Yes, she hires a locksmith to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: come and open his safe because she wants the will
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and all these other things that she didn't have access to.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Corey the wife, So there's a locksmith there. The sister
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: shows up. This is I think two days after he died.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I think this is the day after the party, this
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you know party they had. The sister sees the locksmith
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: truck and she screams and she loses it. She's like,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this woman's gonna, like, you know, get
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the will or whatever. Who knows what she's gonna do.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they well that's less far fetched than the party.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, But then they get in a physical altercation and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Corey gets arrested for assault. I guess she punches her
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: in the head and in the neck or something.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: So this is when everything just starts to everything becomes
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: very divisive at this point. I feel like there was
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: What I know now why she did it. But that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: less suspicious. Trying to get into the safe. What she's
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: supposed to do, Yeah, what she's supposed to do. Well,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I don't try access to all the documents. That's reasonable.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know she is a murder I'm not
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: trying to I know what her intent is. But looking
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: from the outside, if you don't suspect murder, then her
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: getting a locksmith to get to the safe is I
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: think expected. And then but a party is not. That's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: all I'm saying.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I know about the party because her best friend testified
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: for the prosecution at her trial, and her best friend
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: talked about that and talked about being here and things
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like that. So Corey, we talked about this.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: So the locksmith get into the safe.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I think the sister stopped it,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and the sister told her. That's when the sister told her, Eric,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: cut you out and you're not a beneficiary. And I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: think that's when she first found out about it. So
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: then they got in this screaming match and they were
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: screaming at each other, and then.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: That's when locksmith ever saw when he came somewhere, Yeah,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: probably he's probably like this is good so did he testify,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: But he testified.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if the locksmith's testified. I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: don't know. But then in March of twenty twenty three,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: this is when Corey publishes a children's book. It's called
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Are You With Me? And it's about grieving a deceased parent.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: She also she talks about how she could not find
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: that her children were struggling. I like, how she's just,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know, so concerned about her children that they're struggling
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: with the death of their father.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's what would happen when you kill the father.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And then so she writes this book and then she
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: goes around on her little media circuit to uh to
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: talk about her book. Then we get to May of
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and Corey Richins is arrested for aggravated
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: murder and three counts of possession of drugs with intent
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to distribute. Later additional charges arise insurance fraud and financial claims.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: And you know what, she was not initially arrested. She
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: was arrested for aggravated murder, but then you know, the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: attempted murder charge came after you know that, because then
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: once they.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Started they started to uncoverable.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Covering more text messages, interview, interviewing friends or family or whatever.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Then came the attempted murder charge of the Valentine's Day sandwich,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: so that actually came after the aggravated murder charge. So,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and then in June of twenty twenty three, Corey is
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: denied bail and remains in custody. I know her attorney
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: argued that she wasn't a flight risk and that she
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: had three children, so she should be let out on bail,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: but they were not having it. So she remained in
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: jail the entire time.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: She the first time she was the time she takes arrested.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: When was she again? Was it how soon after the murder?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Well, she murdered him in March of twenty.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: She was taken in in March as well.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: She murdered him in March of twenty twenty two. She
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was arrested in May of twenty two, very soon after.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Well a year, oh, no, a year, a year and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a few months. So she's been in She's been in
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: jail for at least three for coming on three years now, right.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So she's denied bail. She's in jail. This is June
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three. Then there were some pre trial
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: developments that happened before she goes to trial. We talked
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: about this in the first episode. Do you remember the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Walk the Dog Letter?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: The Walk the Dog.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It's called the walk the Dog Letter because it's like
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: a four page handwritten letter that she wrote while she
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: was in jail. And remember she's very specific. At the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: very top of it, it says in bold you know
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: letters with exclamation points. It says walk the dogs. She's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: in the letter too well. She later says that it's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: just a manuscript and it's fiction. Give well, it's I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: think it's going to her mother because it talks about
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: how her brother when he testifies, because she says, you know,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: he'll most likely have to testify that he needs to
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: testify to the fact that Eric travels to Mexico and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: gets drugs in Mexico. So she's trying to establish a story.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: She's trying to create a story. So then they do
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you know those random searches, they're searching her room. That's
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: how they find the letter. Sell not her room. No,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it's not her sweet, not her sweet, her cell. They
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: find the Walk the Dog letter. Then she claims because obviously,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it gets it gets confiscated, it goes to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the prosecution. Prosecution has it right. She claims that it's fiction,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that it's just part. You know, she's an.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Author, it's another book.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: It's another book. You know, she's this well known author
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: who writes books. So this is just a work of fiction.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And this is like published, it's going to be a
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: work of fiction. Also, I know there's some issues with
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that this happens. When she talks
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to her attorney, she also claims it's like attorney client privilege,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: things like that attorney client work product. And this is
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: when she has her first attorney, whose name is Skya Lazaro,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: who ends up not being her attorney when she goes
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: on trial. So anyway, then she's charged with attempted murder
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: for the Valentine's Day poisoning. Like I said, that came
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: later after her initial charge. Then there are multiple hearings,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: attorney changes and delays, and then the judge rules that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: she must stand trial. There is some conflict I don't
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: know what it is, but she ends up not having
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the attorney she had the whole time, Skya Lazaro. She
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: ends up claiming like there was a conflict or something
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that had to do with the other additional charges that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: she gets that has to do with the fraud and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the insurance and all of that stuff. I don't know
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: if there was some conflict with that, but anyway, her
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: attorney ends up withdrawing, and then now she has two
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: public defenders who are going to represent her for her trial.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: So then February twenty third of twenty twenty six, so
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: this was very recently. So now we get to the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: actual trial. The trial begins. The prosecution. These are the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: main arguments. And here's the thing about the arguments they're
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: going to try. I feel like they really work on
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a motive because there is no you have to there
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: is no smoking.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Gun in this, right, it's all circumstantial.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: It's all circumstantial. There's no witness of her.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Like you said, there's no video of her putting fentanyl
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: on the bagel and handing it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: To them, right d're into the Moscow mule. There's no
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: witness that sawid. There's no one that can testify that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: she told them that she did it. So the jury
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: has to take all these pieces of when she bought it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: They have to believe Carmen Lauber, and Carmen Lauber has
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a very shady pass. She's been arrested multiple times. She
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: also got an immunity deal for her testimony against Corey Richet,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: So that's another thing to take into account. Do you
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: believe her, do you find her credible? You know, that's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: for the jury to decide. So anyway, the prosecution goes
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: into their opening argument, they're also going to establish the motives.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And I believe there's two motives that they really try
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to hone in on in this case, and it's won
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the financial gain. She wants her husband dead because she's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: going to financially gain, right, she has all this insurance
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: money she's going to collect from his debt and it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: all going to go to her. And then she also
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: thought when she killed him that she was the beneficiary.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: She didn't know that he had made that trust and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: named his sister.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: As the executives were aware that the prenup said if
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: he predeceases her right while married, she gets married. See,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: maybe you shouldn't do that in the thing. Maybe should make.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: It like it doesn't matter dead or alive, right, right,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: So anyway, not only do They talk about a motive
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of the financial gain, but they also really hone in
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: on the fact that she wanted her husband dead because
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: she was having an affair with this guy named Josh Grossman,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and that they want she wanted a fresh start if
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: she was I don't think they're together anymore. I feel
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: like that fizzled out.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: He's not supporting her.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: No, he testifies against her, So we'll talk about that.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: So those are the two motives, really, the financial gain
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and really how how unhappy she was in her marriage
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that she wanted her husband gone so that she could
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: have this fresh start with this new guy, Josh Grossman.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Then we get to testimony. We're gonna talk about some
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of the testimony in this Josh Grossman testifies against her.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: He testifies for the prosecution. He's the boyfriend. So tech
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: this is so I can't imagine how embarrassing this would be.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: But they they show screenshots of all the text messages
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: between her and the boyfriend. And her boyfriend, Yeah, I mean,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it just sounds so middle school.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: So much.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to some do you think about me?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I think about you. I love you. I had a
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: dream we're going to you know, Rent out.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: That when I get you a bagel.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to rent out the mansion as an
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: event space and then we're gonna live in the you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the guest house together and have little farm animals. And
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: it's just and he's sitting there on the stand and
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they show it up on the screen right so that
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the jury can read it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Suckt over.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's just like I can't imagine. It reminds me
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: of Karen Reid. Do you remember during the trial when
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: they read all those text messages it was between her
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and that ATF agent when they were flirting with each other.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And he's on the stand and they like show the
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: text messages and make him read them. And it's like
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: how mortifying our.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Text messages would show motivation. They would show motive, motive,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: what they like? Those tracks? All the name she calls him.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I don't call you that many names?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Not that many?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, so there are text messages that show
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: core he was having an affair with another man named
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Robert Josh Grossman. First of all, I have to say
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I watched his testimony. This man, I well, she likes redheads.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: He's a redhead. Her ex husband was a redhead. He's
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: struggling so much on the stand.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Like what like like it hurts him to say all this.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: He just or like he feels dumb or I.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Think I guess all the emotions. I mean, they have
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: to ask him a little. Yeah, he puts his head
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: down a lot. He has trouble speaking. They have to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: ask him if he needs a break. I don't. I mean,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's struggling morally that he was
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: involved with this woman that was married and now maybe
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: he had some not that he was involved.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: He knew she was married, right.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: He knew she was married. Yeah, And there were there's
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: text messages between the two of them that are like
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: once you get divorced, when you get divorced? Oh no,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And then there was other text messages where she kept
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: telling him to hold off onto until.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Friday, hold off what till.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I think he was getting like upset about her not
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: being divorced, and he was like questioning their relationship and
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: she's like, just hold on, just hold on till Friday.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I got plans. Don't worry about it. I'm gonna you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: we're gonna figure this out. So less than a month
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: before her husband's death. Corey Richins had asked her boyfriend, quote,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: if I was divorced right now and ask you to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: marry me tomorrow, you would question Mark Robert responded, yes,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: in love with y oh you of course I would. No.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: This is what they're showing, like up on the screen
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: during the trial.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I just all it does is show that she's checked
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: out of the marriage and wants to be with this guy.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Right. So the prosecution is showing exactly that she's unhappy
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: in her marriage and that she wants this fresh start
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: right with this guy, Josh Grossman, this.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Guy ever have another relationship now, because if he has
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: a relationship with someone, he sends her messages.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Well, he'll probably never put anything in writing.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I got yeah, but then that new female might be like,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: that's what you told Cory.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Don't mean anything.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Josh Grossman testified a trial he and Corey finally talked
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: about Eric's death two weeks after it occurred. I think
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: this is what they considered to be kind of like
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a bombshell testimony from him. He testified that she asked
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: him if he had ever killed anyone. Well, let me
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: get you a context. He was in the military and I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: believe he was on Grossman. Yes, the boyfriend. I believe
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: he was on maybe any Iraq or something. So he
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: was on some what he was in combat zones where
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that could have happened. So she asked him if he
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: had ever killed anybody, and then she asked him how
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: it made him feel, or something along those lines, and
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: then I answered her. So there was a conversation that
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: had to do with have you ever killed anyone? Right,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: So he testified to that he's an army veteran. That's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: why she was asking him the question. And the two
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: continued to date a few months after the death, but
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: things eventually fizzled out, you know, I mean why not?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they fizzle out? I feel like, once you
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: kill your husband and then you know they're onto you,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: things might fizzle out. With the boyfriend. There's also damaging
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: digital evidence.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Deal breaker.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: That is a deal breaker. There's damaging digital evidence. Corey's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Internet searches.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Included oh yeah, this is these are my favorites. What
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: are I love it when they look at the Google
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: searches these killers, You're just so stupid.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: What is a lethal dose of fentanyl? Can FBI find
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: deleted messages. If someone is poisoned, what does it go
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: down on the death certificate?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: As can FBI find my Google searches?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Luxury prisons for the rich in America. I don't understand
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: How to make a bagel sandwich.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Corey richins net worth, so she was very concerned about that. However,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: these Google searches, I will tell you they're they're the
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: defense or her defense atturn Sky Lazzaro talks about this,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: but she wasn't her attorney during the trial. But she
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: gives her interpretation of this. These Google searches. You have
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to understand the Google searches were done after he had
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: already died, It was not before. So her excuse for
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Corey is Okay, she gets a death certificate and she's
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: told that he dies of a lethal amount.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, but were the other ones? Okay, Now that we
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: know that this was searched after he was dead, what
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: are the searches again? Read him quickly?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, So now you know the timeline says after he died,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: what is a lethal dose of fetanl Okay, So we'll
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: write that one off, right, because let's say it makes sense.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Let's give her credit.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I mean she's still murdered.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: She's still a murder but she gets a death certificate.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: The medical examiner says he died of a lethal dose
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: of fetanyl. Okay, she googles that, can FBI find deleted messages?
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's no reason to look at that. One
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: searched that.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: If someone is poisoned, what does it go down on
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the death certificate as.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Because she wanted to know for insurance purposes? Okay, well,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: even that you could be like, well, okay, whatever.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Luxury prisons for the rich in America. I like how
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: she claims that, Like she's like, she would go to
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: a luxury prison because she's rich.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: There a luxury She's in so much a luxury prison?
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Are there? That's an oxymoron? Like happily American luxury prison?
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, No, you know what you're people are
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: gonna think that I just abuse you. I don't abuse you.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Help my gosh, is this house a luxury prison?
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but this podcast could now be used
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: as motive.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Great, thank you Corey Richand's net worth. That's just you know,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: she just wants to feel like she's worth something. You know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: she's actually in so much debt. She has no net worth.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: She's in debt like millions and millions of dollars and
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: her business is failing. That's like, that's the prosecution's whole
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: motive is that she killed her husband for financial gain
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: because she's in so much debt and her business is failing.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Let's see, I'm looking up Corey Richins networth. Nothing's coming up.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah she's not.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not worth anything.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: It's not on anyone's radar to figure this stuff. No,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: she's in a lot of she's in a lot of times.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: That stuff's kind of just random numbers, you know.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Also, Carmen Laber, we talked about this a little bit before,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: but Carmen Lauber is the drug dealer that she bought
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: allegedly abought the you know, fentanyl from. But again, this
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: is where there is no other suspect in this case.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: So the defense it's not like the defense is able
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: to use the defense where they're pointing to someone else.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: The other one, the other suspect is himself, right, he
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: supposedly went to Mexico got his own drugs. Well, no,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I know, but that's the only explanation alternate explanation that
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: is being offered.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Right, So the defense what they're going to do is
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: they want to is they're going to try to put
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: reasonable down into the jury's mind. That's the only way
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you're going to get Corey Richins off, right, you have.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: To the way you get everyone else.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: That's that you're going to have to establish some kind
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of reasonable doubt. The jury's going to have to sit
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: there and go, you know, I don't know how did
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: the fentanyl get from here to here? Was it her?
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: That's the missing piece, right, No one thought that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: There's no way.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Of course she did, I know, but I just deliberate now, right,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: But let me tell you though, there was no fentanyl
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: found in the home, and there was no fish ga no.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: But let me finish, there was no fentanyl residue found
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: in the glass at the bottom of the cup. You know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know how easy it is to wash away.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. But there was no fentanyl
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: residue found and no fentanyl found in the home. So
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: let's just there you go, there's a little bit of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. I would hone in on that if I
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: was the defense.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Attorney, right, No, I know that doesn't create any doubt
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: for me. So what so she cleaned up, she washed
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: the dishes.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you're representing her and you're her defense attorney,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the only thing you can't do is try to focus
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: on him getting fentanyls somewhere else and and they're not
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: being any fentanyl residue in the glass, in the house,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: in the house, anywhere. That's what you have to do.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: That's all on this. This to me.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Says that the alternate theory that he has his own
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: drugs doesn't exist because there's nothing in the house. This
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't create any doubt that she did it. This creates
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: doubt that he gets his own drugs.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Well, what she should have done was, you know, because
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like when people are drug addicts, like when
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I watch it on TV, or someone does drugs, they
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: always have like this little like a drug box, like.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: A little toiletry bag, like a little.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Toiletry bag, don't they And they just like pull their
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: drugs out. So I'm saying, if she she should have
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: been smarter, if she wanted people to think that he
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: took the.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Things she could have done to be smarter about this.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: She needed to have like his like drug kit.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Somewhere she needed to create like a story, he said,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: just giving him drugs and later trying to figure out
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: how to cover up.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing to create reasonable doll is you
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: you want to you want to establish that Carmen Lauber,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: who really is the star witness for the prosecution, has
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: no credibility and you don't believe her. So she got
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: an immunity deal, like we talked about, in order to
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: testify for the prosecution. So she wasn't she wasn't going
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: to do any gail time for all of this drug
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: related activity that she has going on, selling and distributing
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and buying and all those things. So the question is
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: do you find her to be credible? Do you believe
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: what she says? Do you believe that Corey came to her?
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that she bought you.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Credible? And that's enough for me, Okay, So you're.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Just there, you are, all right? So then when I'm
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: watching the trial, so the prosecution puts on their case, right,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: they call all these witnesses. I don't remember how many,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: but I think originally they had already listed or something, right,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: and his family testifies and Carmen Lauber testifies, and Corey
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Richard's best friend testifies, and the boyfriend testifies. All these
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend whatever, they all testify right for the profecution.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Then it's like the prosecution's case in chief is done.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: They're done presenting their case, and the judge says, Okay,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to the defense attorneys, you're on. You're on. It's now
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: time for you to present your defense. You know what
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: witnesses are you going to call? And there's two defense attorneys.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: They're both public defenders, and they've been public defenders for years.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I think together they have like thirty six years of
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: experience or something. So you're not talking about like newbies.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: They were talking about very established public defenders. It's two
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: women and you watch them and they're they're whispering to
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: each other and they're talking, and I'm assuming that they're trying.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: They're figuring out like who should we call first, or
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: they have some kind of strategy, and the you know,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: the judges like do you need more time or whatever,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: and they're like, no, the defense for us, we're not
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: going to call any witnesses. That's it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: She's guilty or honor. So I was like what they
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: were going back and forth with each other.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I don't well, they were whispering. I don't know what
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: they were saying. But my assumption was, when I'm watching them,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming you.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Brought the file. No, you brought the file. I didn't
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: bring the file. You brought the file.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, I'm assuming that they were they were contemplating
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: who they were going to call first, or talking strategy.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: But then they said, no, the defense rest we have
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: no witnesses to call. They called no one. So there's like, yeah,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: but that's not zealously, you know, for your clients.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I know that's not I was just saying, maybe they're
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, she's a killer, so whatever this is.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: There's the part I don't understand. So the defense rested
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: without calling a single witness. Also, Corey Richins does not testify,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: which is probably a good thing, right, I mean, I
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: can't imagine never.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: A good thing for them to testify, right I I
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: it would be more fun to watch.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would be fun to watch, but I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: can't imagine you talk about that cross examination like she's
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: just going to get annihilated. So she chooses not to testify,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and then they call no further witnesses. However, they had
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: several witnesses ready to testify, but they changed their mind
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: at the at the you know, they watched the trial.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: They're like, forget this.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: So I still feel like, and I it's I've never
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: been a defense attorney, but in my mind, I'm thinking,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: whatdn't they call someone that would help establish that there
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't fentanyl in the house and there wasn't any fentanyl, Like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I feel.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Like they wanted something, they would have date something, but they.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Should have kind of done something where they're questioning that
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and leaving that doubt in the jury's mind. But they didn't.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: They called no one. They rested there was no defense.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: So the verdict came out. This is just recently that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: we heard the verdict. It came out on March sixteenth
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. The jury and by the way,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: let's talk about the jury. It was only eight members.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Normally a jury has twelve.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: No, in Utah it's eight.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Well, in Utah, it's twelve if it's capital murder where
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: they're seeking the death penalty, but the prosecution decided not
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: to seek the dead.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I read that because there's there was only circumstance evidence right,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: So it's going to be it was going to be
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: a long, uphill battle to try to get that capital punish,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: get the capital punished. So it was really the low
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: hanging fruit was life in prison.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Right. So that's why her jury only has eight as
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: opposed to twelve. So the jury delivered alternates and four alternates.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: So the jury deliberated for only three hours after hearing
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: closing arguments. I think that was shocking to everyone because.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Most of that was lunchtime too. Seriously, they probably like, dude,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: she did right, Yeah, she did right. Okay, cool, let's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: get some lunch.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: They returned their verdict, finding Corey Richard's guilty on all counts,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: including aggravated murder, attempted aggravated murder, two counts of insurance
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: fraud and forgery. She could be sentenced to life in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: prison without parole, and her sentencing is scheduled for May thirteenth,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: which the irony of that is that that's also Eric
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Richan's birthday, so she's going to be sentenced on his birthday.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Richens in Heaven, and it'll be interesting to see.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Do you think she'll get life without pearl or do
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you think she'll.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Watch the verdict, and she she was not a happy lady.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Well her head she yeah or had hung low when
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: they read that.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: And she was a little yeah, she was she knew
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: she was screwed. So there's a twenty I love how
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: they did all the charges and the last one was forgery.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And don't think we forgot about the forgery, right.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: We know you did that. That's on there if you watch.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: There's a twenty twenty special on the trial, and it
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: was really interesting. But they show when she was in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: when she came in for her pre trial to figure
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: for her bail. I believe it was to see if
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: she was going to get bail or not, like she
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: would be allowed. Sure. They show her in the courtroom
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and she was very cocky. She was like smiling. Verdict day, right,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and they show her they show a flashback to that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and she looked very confident.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Because time at that time she had private attorney. So
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: they told her, oh, yeah, we'll get you. Well, we
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: got it, we got it, and give us the retainer.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: We'll take care of you.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: She's like, I got this. I'm gonna I'm gonna walk,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna write a letter to my mom Children's book
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: How to Testify What's say in Trial? So, yeah, they
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: didn't call the brother the brother that she told in
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: the Walk the Dog letter, How to testify about how
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Eric goes to Mexico. You know, they also interview her
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: family and her brothers and her mom and even her brothers.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Like they annoyed me when I watched them because they
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: were so adamant that she really was writing a manuscript,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: like she was writing a fiction book. And I was
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: just like, how, I mean, I understand you want to
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: stand by your sister, and I understand you could say
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think she did it. She would never do that,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: She wouldn't do that to the children, Like.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, if the facts are there, I don't.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand that to a certain extent,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: but the fact that her brothers were just like, no, yeah,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: she that wasn't a letter to me. That wasn't about
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: me that she was writing. Never she was writing a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: fiction book. I was like, now you just sound ridiculous.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Now are you in on it?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: So anyway, again, her sentencing is schedule for May thirteen,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: so we will obviously follow that and discuss that. It'll
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see what sentence she gets. Also, during
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the sentencing, it'll be very interesting to watch and follow
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: along because not only is she sentenced, but there's victim
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: impact statements, so you know that his side of the family.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're going to let her.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: They're going to let her have it. She also has
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to speak on her own behalf. I would
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: assume that.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: She won't do any good.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think she will.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think it ever do any good.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: It never doesn't.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Of course they're going to say I'm sorry. It's like, no,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: she thinks she's not going to say anything.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: She's going to maintain her innocence and say she had
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: nothing knowing.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I know, but sometimes they okay, yeah right, So to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: further my point, no matter what they say, I mean,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: does it really matter.
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  Speaker 1: No, But the question is do you think she'll say anything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she'll say anything.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, it'll be interesting to see what the victim now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that comes out, because I really want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: So most importantly, yes, if you have any thoughts of
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